1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 10 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 506       Contents: Re: aircraft are not Sun Re: aircraft are not SunP Can I  help you? explore your future, believe Me, You never worry, forever happy( FILESERV@WKU: New VNC Viewer for OpenVMS Free Fabric Poster Give Away* FTP.SPC.COM is dead, long live FTP.TMK.COM7 Guaranteed -- Best FREE Cell Phone Offer On The Planet!  Hello, take a look at this. + Re: Jupiter (was Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?) * Looking for printer library HPLJ3SI updateP Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes.P Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes.P Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes.% Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321 % Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321 % Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321 % Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321 2 Re: yahMAIL & APACHE (was "Problems with yahMAIL")  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 20:10:44 GMT ! From: "dls2" <dlshearer@home.com> ! Subject: Re: aircraft are not Sun ; Message-ID: <8Pwu5.53333$e11.417438@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>   5 "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote: 7 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  >  > > RE: aircraft are not SunK > > I hate to keep an off topic going, but there was an interesting show on  the J > > Discovery Channel recently on jet development.  I believe the aircraft inJ > > the show was the 777 - one of the tests that they perform is that theyJ > > restrain the fuselage downward, and push upwards on the wingtips until= > > failure - pretty cool when the wing snaps off - big bang.  > F > I saw that a few years ago.  Pretty cool. The wings lifted up a LONGK > way before they broke.  It used to bother me when I looked out the window J > of a plane and saw the wings bobbing up and down.  After I saw that 777,> > I decided not to worry about a couple of inches of movement.  E The maximum stress which a wing can endure before shearing is lowered K by cyclical fatigue, a concern I expect Boeing engineers are well aware of.        --  Derrick Shearer    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2000 17:48:33 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: aircraft are not Sun + Message-ID: <NdYyS$$ffzbT@eisner.decus.org>   S In article <8pdk7d$a1s$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:   B > Where's DECPAQ's Tex Johnson, willing to do some gutsy things to > market VMS ?  A I presume that was Andy Goldstein at the Chicago DECUS conference C manually scraping oxide off a magnetic tape to demonstrate the data " recovery capability of VMS Backup.  H Who is Tex Johnson's successor at Boeing ?  What have they done lately ?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2000 05:42:08 GMT  From: <anonym@163.net>Y Subject: Can I  help you? explore your future, believe Me, You never worry, forever happy + Message-ID: <8pcijg$20me$488@news.cz.js.cn>        China five thousand year culture,be born I ching,the book of change,it be turn record china physics,mathematics,relativity and more universe algebraical basic knowledge,and provide in line with standard divination method.   C    let your intuition  talking,chinese i-ching divination anything.       About your future:     I provided service: divination Fortune/Stock Exchange/Contract Signing/Partnership/Official/Sport Race/ Lawsuit / Weather/ Calamity   and more.....         http://iching.126.com        Regards,
        lei   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 00 20:51:45 -0500 ) From: goathunter@wku.edu (Hunter Goatley) 1 Subject: FILESERV@WKU: New VNC Viewer for OpenVMS ' Message-ID: <Yn0hZH5z5o0F@axp1.wku.edu>   @ A new version of the VNC Viewer for OpenVMS VAX and Alpha is nowD available. The VNCviewer lets you connect to a VNC server running on another system.   F VNC stands for Virtual Network Computing.  It is, in essence, a remote= display system which allows you to view a computing "desktop" A environment not only on the machine where it is running, but from ; anywhere on the Internet and from a wide variety of machine  architectures.  9 In particular, I use VNC on my AlphaStation to control my F PCs---essentially, I get a PC in an X window, with my VMS keyboard andF mouse movements used to control the PC.  What you see in the PC window& is an exact replica of your PC screen.  E You can find out more about VNC, and download viewers and servers for E other platforms (in particular, to control a PC from VMS, you'll need D to download the VNC Server for Windows), check out the original AT&T	 VNC site:   - http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/index.html   E The VNC333R1VMS010 package contains V1.0 of the VMS VNC Viewer, which B is based on VNC V3.3.3r1.  The port to VMS was performed by HunterC Goatley and David North.  It comes as a VMSINSTAL kit, and provides C VNCVIEWER and VNCPASSWD images for both VAX and Alpha.  Note that a B VNC server for VMS is not included, though I hope to look into the" possibility of adding it sometime.  ? You can get the VMS VNC Viewer using one of the following URLs:   1 ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/vnc333r1vms010.zip 9 ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/vnc333r1vms010.zip = ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/vnc333r1vms010.zip     http://www2.wku.edu/vms/fileserv http://www.tmk.com/ftp/      Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:26:14 -0700 & From: Poster Boy <joey@createshop.com>% Subject: Free Fabric Poster Give Away 2 Message-ID: <200008150054.RAA07391@ns.iespeed.com>   Dear Music Fans,   ? Each month, PosterBoy is giving away  free PosterScroll to all   Music Fans. ? Visit http://posterboy.site.yahoo.net to find out this month's   special give away.   ; This is not just an ordinary poster.  It's a poster of new  
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  first,=20F but hey I said what is $15.00? So, I followed the instructions in thi=
 s email=20F and now I have already made $2500.00 in little over 1 week. The trick=  is sending=20' the email to as many people as you can.   F Headline: Parents of 15 Year Old Find $71,000 Cash Hidden in His Clos= et.   # "CASH JUST KEEPS COMING IN MY MAIL"   F EVERYONE ON THIS LIST GETS PAID EVERYTIME!!! Invest $15 and get your =
 name on=205 the list, you will not regret it! ($5 to each person)   ( It Works. It's Legal. It's Easy. Try It! =20 F Does this headline above look familiar? Of course it does. You most l=
 ikely have=20 F just seen this story recently featured on a major nightly news progra= m (USA).  F His mother was cleaning and putting laundry away when she came across=  a large=20 F brown paper bag that was suspiciously buried beneath some clothes and=  a skateboard=20F in the back of her 15-year-old sons closet. Nothing could have prepar=
 ed her for=20 F the shock she got when she opened the bag and found it was full of ca= sh. Five-dollar=20F bills, twenties, fifties and hundreds - all neatly rubber-banded in l=
 abeled piles.   F "My first thought was that he had robbed a bank=94, says the 41-year-=
 old woman,=20 F "There was over $71,000 dollars in that bag -- that's more than my hu= sband earns=20 in a year".   F The woman immediately called her husband at the car-dealership where = he worked=20F to tell him what she had discovered. He came home right away and they=  drove together=20F to the boys' school and picked him up. Little did they suspect that w= here the=20 F money came from was more shocking than actually finding it in the clo= set.  F As it turns out, the boy had been sending out, via e-mail, a type of = "chain-letter"=20 F to e-mail addresses that he obtained off of the Internet. Everyday af=
 ter school=20 F for the past 2 months, he had been doing this right on his computer i= n his bedroom.=20 F "I just got the e-mail one day and I figured what the heck, I put my =
 name on=20F it like the instructions said and I started sending it out", says the=
  clever=20 15-year-old.  F The E-mail letter listed 3 addresses and contained instructions to se= nd one $5=20F dollar bill to each person on the list, then delete the address at th= e top and=20F move the other 2 addresses up, and finally to add your name to the bo=
 ttom of=20 list.o  F The letter goes on to state that you would receive several thousand d= ollars in=20F five-dollar bills within 2 weeks if you sent out the letter with your=  name at=20gF the bottom of the 3-address list. "I get junk e-mail all the time, an= d really=20t7 did not think it was going to work", the boy continues.a  F Within the first few days of sending out the e-mail, the Post Office = Box that=20 F his parents had gotten him for his video-game magazine subscriptions = began to=20 > fill up with not magazines, but envelopes containing $5 bills.  F "About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post office and my b= ox had 1=20"F magazine and about 300 envelops stuffed in it. There was also a yello= w slip that=20F said I had to go up to the [post office] counter. I thought I was in =
 trouble=20F or something (laughs)". He goes on, "I went up to the counter and the=
 y had a=20F whole box of more mail for me. I had to ride back home and empty out = my backpack=20" because I could not carry it all".  F Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out the E-mail. "T= he money=20oF just kept coming in and I just kept sorting it and stashing it in the=  closet,=20uF barely had time for my homework". He had also been riding his bike to=  several=20 F of the banks in his area and exchanging the $5 bills for twenties, fi= fties and=20	 hundreds.o  F "I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I kept riding to differ= ent banks=20F with like five thousand at a time in my backpack. I would usually tel=
 l the lady=20aF at the bank counter that my dad had sent me in [to exchange the money= ] and he=20hF was outside waiting for me. One time the lady gave me a really strang=
 e look and=20wF told me that she would not be able to do it for me and my dad would h= ave to come=203 in and do it, but I just rode to the next bank downn the street (laughs)."   F Surprisingly, the boy did not have any reason to be afraid. The repor= ting news=20F team examined and investigated the so-called "chain-letter" the boy w=
 as sending=20 F out and found that it was not a chain-letter at all. In fact, it was =
 completely=20rF legal according to US Postal and Lottery Laws, Title 18, Section 1302=
  and 1341,=20 F or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the code of federal=  regulations,=20F Volume 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state a product or service mus= t be exchanged=20- for money received.e  F Every five-dollar bill that he received contained a little note that = read, "Please=20F add me to your mailing list". This simple note made the letter legal =
 because=20F he was exchanging a service (adding the purchasers name to his mailin=
 g list)=20 for a five-dollar fee.  F Here is the letter that the 15-year-old was sending out by e-mail, yo=
 u could=20F do the exact same thing he was doing, simply by following the instruc= tions in=20i this letter.  , --------------------------------------------  F Follow these simple instructions to make $10,000 US in little over 2 = weeks:  # There are 3 addresses listed below.a  F Send each person on the list a $5 bill wrapped in 2 pieces of paper (= to securely=20F hide it), along with a note that says: "Please add me to your mailing=  list".u  F Then delete the name at the top, move the other 2 up and put your nam= e at the=20  bottom.5  F Now start sending this ENTIRE e-mail out to people. When 20 people re= ceive it,=20F those 20 people will move your name up to the middle position and the= y will each=20F send out 20.That totals 400 people that will receive this letter with=
  your name=20m in the middle.  F Then, those 400 people will move your name up to the top and they wil= l each send=20F out 20 e-mails. That totals 8,000 people that will receive this E-mai= l with your=201 name on it and they will each send you a $5 bill.c  F 8,000 people each sending you a $5 bill =3D $40,000 cash. That's if e= veryone responds=20eF to this e-mail, but not everyone will, so you can expect more realist= ically to=204 receive about $10,000 cash $5 bills in your mailbox.  F This will work for anyone, anywhere in the world in any country, but = send only=20 US CASH $5 bill.  F The more e-mails you send out, the more cash you will receive. If eac= h person=20pF sends out 100 E-mails, there will be 1,000,000 people that receive th= is letter=20F with your name on it. If only 1% of those people respond, you will st=
 ill get=20
 $50,000 cash.   5 Here is the list of people you must send $5.00 US to.d  , -------------------------------------------- #1. Margaret Vines 9792 Edmonds Way # 218f Edmonds, WA 98020d   #2. J. Ramirez 1430 S. Grand Ave. #302l Glendora, CA 91740   #3. N. Michael
 P.O. Box 1373  Glendora, CA 91741, --------------------------------------------  F THERES NOTHING MORE TO DO. When you start sending this out within a f= ew days,=20 F you will start receiving $5 bills from other people just like yoursel=
 f, who are=20/9 willing to invest three $5 bills to receive $10,000 cash.   F EVERYONE on this list gets paid EVERY TIME. Simply invest $15 & get y= our name=20 $ on the list, you will not regret it!  * If you don't try it - you will never know.  , --------------------------------------------F This is not spam, I recieved your email address as someone interested=  in Internet=203F Business Opportunities. I have purchased your email address from "Mas= sive Reach".=20sF If you opt not to be on this list, please email "Massive Reach" at ex= press613@hotmail.com=20 ; and type "remove me from your mailing list" in the subject..  F This message is sent in compliance of the new email bill section: 301= , Paragraph=20? (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618. We will comply with all removal requests.f   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2000 01:44:56 GMT  From: inwap@best.com (Joe Smith)4 Subject: Re: Jupiter (was Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?)- Message-ID: <8pep2o$2n70$1@nntp1.ba.best.com>   G In article <8pdftp$jq1$5@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:.> >Here's a question.  Was the Jupiter 36-bits?  I never saw one >so I really don't know.  F I never saw one either, but I heard a rumor that the schematic for theH VAX 8600 CPU looked suspiciously like the schematic for the Jupiter with 4 bits disabled in the ALU.L  > The schematics for the KS-2020 shows that it has a 40-bit ALU.4 Each half-word comprised five 4-bit bit-slice units.G This had advantages; the extra high-order bits on the LH made it easier7G to correctly set CARRY0 and CARRY1 on an integer overflow condition and.K the extra low-order bits in the RH were useful when rounding floating pointe numbers. 	-Joe  --8 See http://www.inwap.com/ for PDP-10 and "ReBoot" pages.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:04:07 GMTw! From: Berzajs <Berzajs1@home.com>i3 Subject: Looking for printer library HPLJ3SI updatel( Message-ID: <39BAEC63.CBA857AA@home.com>  F I make use of hplj3si.tlb to print to various HP lasers with a varietyH of options, compressed & landscape.  I now have a HP2500C and cannot getC compressed print to work.  Is there a better library available?  Iso4 there an issue with the newer HP2500C (color) laser?   Thanks,  Haralds Berzajsc   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2000 23:46:07 GMT " From: Eric Fischer <enf@pobox.com>Y Subject: Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes. - Message-ID: <8pei3v$2hcv$1@news.enteract.com>,   <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:  B > I asked because somebody, somewhen said that there was a display? > of card art at UofChicago.  Anybody who saved that might haveD > saved old hardware.a  C The illuminated punch cards are still there (or at least were a few E months ago) in the lounge on the second floor of Ryerson.  But as far4E as I know the only obsolete hardware that's being kept as a matter ofAD policy is an early Sun workstation.  Anything else that's being kept( is just through individual stubbornness.   eric   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:04:05 GMTf! From: "dls2" <dlshearer@home.com>_Y Subject: Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes.=; Message-ID: <VdAu5.53970$e11.420398@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>4  % "Eric Fischer" <enf@pobox.com> wrote:  > <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: >FD > > I asked because somebody, somewhen said that there was a displayA > > of card art at UofChicago.  Anybody who saved that might haveo > > saved old hardware.l >oE > The illuminated punch cards are still there (or at least were a fewDG > months ago) in the lounge on the second floor of Ryerson.  But as far G > as I know the only obsolete hardware that's being kept as a matter ofgF > policy is an early Sun workstation.  Anything else that's being kept* > is just through individual stubbornness.  H Why would it be a matter of policy to preserve an early Sun workstation,' as opposed to anything else particular?o       --  Derrick ShearerY   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Sep 2000 00:58:02 GMT" From: Eric Fischer <enf@pobox.com>Y Subject: Re: visual interpretation of algorithms. -> Sound interpretation of algorythmes. - Message-ID: <8pemaq$2laj$1@news.enteract.com>a    dls2 <dlshearer@home.com> wrote:  I > > as far as I know the only obsolete hardware that's being kept [at thedM > > University of Chicago] as a matter of policy is an early Sun workstation.  > J > Why would it be a matter of policy to preserve an early Sun workstation,) > as opposed to anything else particular?g  F I don't know.  Actually, the person who seemed so proud to have an oldF Sun around but considered the stuff that my old department was hangingG onto to be junk, is now at another university, so maybe it's not policye	 any more.    eric   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Sep 2000 17:43:57 -0500t9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e. Subject: Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321+ Message-ID: <nrQIsMys5zd0@eisner.decus.org>s  p In article <009EFDCD.2273F0F9@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:p > In article <8pdf5s$2lg$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) writes:  N >>The 'problem' is that DEC didn't conform to their prefixing rules for globalL >>symbols so IMGDEF.STB defines a value (20) for symbol FINAL_STATUS.  As anG >>external variable, the C compiler treats that value as the address ofgI >>a longword, which leads to the ACCVIO when image rundown tries to write.O >>to that address.  If imgdef.stb hadn't defined final_status, the linker wouldo* >>have magically allocated storage for it.  M > Thanks Dave.  That better explains it.  I can fix it by changing my program M > from FINAL_STATUS to MY_FINAL_STATUS.  I didn't look in IMGDEF but I should0D > have.  I wondered why it was IMGDEF only which caused the problem.  3 So what is IMGDEF ?  I do not recall hearing of it.f   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 00:57:27 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s. Subject: Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #93210 Message-ID: <009EFE29.061F12A2@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <nrQIsMys5zd0@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes: q >In article <009EFDCD.2273F0F9@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:pq >> In article <8pdf5s$2lg$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) writes:O > O >>>The 'problem' is that DEC didn't conform to their prefixing rules for globaltM >>>symbols so IMGDEF.STB defines a value (20) for symbol FINAL_STATUS.  As anrH >>>external variable, the C compiler treats that value as the address ofJ >>>a longword, which leads to the ACCVIO when image rundown tries to writeP >>>to that address.  If imgdef.stb hadn't defined final_status, the linker would+ >>>have magically allocated storage for it.  >FN >> Thanks Dave.  That better explains it.  I can fix it by changing my programN >> from FINAL_STATUS to MY_FINAL_STATUS.  I didn't look in IMGDEF but I shouldE >> have.  I wondered why it was IMGDEF only which caused the problem.  > 4 >So what is IMGDEF ?  I do not recall hearing of it.  H A symbol table with values and definitions used for image activation and related issues._,                                  SYS$SYSTEM:I Issue a $ LINK/MAP/FULL SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:IMGDEF.STB/NOEXE and look at  6 what is defined via the .MAP file the linker creates.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM2            oO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 20:47:21 -0500s/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>y. Subject: Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321O Message-ID: <FF10CF4A7D7314AC.C2483661CFAA505F.FBD77080B3125D17@lp.airnews.net>_   David Jones wrote: >MO > Another workaround is to compile /name=as_is so FINAL_STATUS and final_statusA > are distinct.   G Almost.  Unfortunately, <starlet.h> defines "sys$dclexh" in lower case,tD so if you use /name=as_is, the linker will not resolve it correctly.  D That is a bug!  However, it is consistent with the UNIX style header files.  % Does anyone actually use /name=as_is?e  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------l$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com o   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 21:15:53 -0500a/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>i. Subject: Re: Why I hate C on VMS, reason #9321O Message-ID: <768687F319311790.5C8ACEB3D24017BD.D082EDDFC17EFF1C@lp.airnews.net>t  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > C > >I'm not convinced that this is a C problem.  I think you can getaI > >yourself into similar trouble using FORTRAN COMMONs.  Unfortunately, I 9 > >don't have an Alpha FORTRAN compiler loaded right now.  > >=F > >The simple solution is to follow the rule: If it doesn't need to beJ > >global, don't make it global.  (Of course, much of the Unix code I have > >seen ignores this rule.)  > >V > >In any case, the declarationR > >!" > >       static int final_status; > >  > >fixes the problem.r > L > Understanding the problem as well as a solution would really be the ideal.L > The damned .LISing output from the C compiler leaves plenty to be desired.    H OK, the problem is that variables defined outside any procedures are, by> default, "extern".  This makes them global so that they can be# referenced from other source files.   ? If you add the "static" qualifer, the variables are not global.n  F Normally, this difference is not really an issue.  However, IMGDEF.STBE defines FINAL_STATUS as a constant.  When "final_status" is "extern",hD the linker resolves this constant as the address of the final_status6 variable.  (Actually, it is the address of the psect.)  H "extern" variables are placed in their own psect.  The /EXTERN_MODEL and4 /SHARE_GLOBALS switches affect the psect attributes.  ? "static" uninitialized variables are placed in the $BSS$ psect.n  > "static" initialized variables are placed in the $DATA$ psect.    I > Here, for example, is the machine listing for the program *with static*hJ > declared for the final_status variable.  Nowhere in the listing is thereD > a storage reference for this variable.  (CC/LIST/MACHINE/SHOW=ALL)  G I agree that the machine listing generated by the compiler is not up ton) the standards set by other VMS compilers.m    K > Funny thing is that I changed the name from main() to establish_handler() K > to rid my listings of the __MAIN code.  The rest of the code generated isnI > exactly the same.  In addition, if I remove the 'static' the exact same-I > code is generated.  The .ADDRESS at 28(16) changes to read FINAL_STATUSh > instead of $BSS$.n  F With this source, "final_status" is the only variable allocated in theC BSS section.  Try also making "exh" static and compare the listing.o  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------t$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com o   Fax: 817-237-3074n   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 05:43:01 +0930l/ From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au>e; Subject: Re: yahMAIL & APACHE (was "Problems with yahMAIL") / Message-ID: <39BA99CD.DADCD325@wasd.vsm.com.au>t  	 Hi Fabio,n  ] The second Apache issue may have been the need to alter the [CGI-BIN]YAHMAIL.COM to uncommenti[ "!/POSTMASTER".  This yahMAIL qualifier is there to may it so you must *do something overt*b2 to enable it (it just can't happen by accident ;^)  7 >.        P.S.:   I've tried to instal WASD Web Server,e3 >.        but Unzip (UnZip 5.32 of 3 November 1997) / >.        hangs, creating a veeery big file ...f  [ Yes, I believe the last version of VMS ZIP does strange things sometimes, and you sometimesu( need the latest UNZIP to get it to work.  + >       Ah-ah, I've unzipped WASD just now.  > @ >       Perhaps I forget Apache and do the job with WASD ... :^)  Z I think it a little too early to do anything *real* with VMS Apache.  As I mentioned thereZ are currently big problems with it's CGI scripting mechanism (which I am in correspondence! with the development team about).t  Z WASD and OSU are VMS-mature applications, which while not Apache, are very functional.  Of- course I think WASD is better :^)  Godd luck.   
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