1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 13 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 513       Contents:2 Re: $EXPREG failing to allocate memory in P2 space$ Re: Adding 2nd bootserver to cluster Re: BACKUP priviledges Re: BACKUP priviledges Re: BACKUP priviledges2 Re: Re: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun  Re: CETS2000- Hotel Reservations# Re: CHARON-VAX images? - ot warning # Re: CHARON-VAX images? - ot warning  RE: dcps Re: Disk init error message  Re: Disk init error message  Re: Disk init error message  ERRFMT in RWMBX ! Re: File Format from SET HOST/LOG  Hobbyist Cluster?  Re: Hobbyist Cluster?  Re: Hobbyist Cluster?  How to read a fileheader Re: How to read a fileheader Re: How to read a fileheader Re: How to read a fileheader Re: How to read a fileheader# Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? + Re: Jupiter (was Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?) + Re: Jupiter (was Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?)  Re: LAVC and security  Re: Memory channel& Merchant account set up in 3-5 days...0 Re: Need help with SET HOST in VMS Command File. New List TODAY! % Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question ; RE: OpenVMS and TCPIP version and support od "Dual path IP" N Re: OpenVMS FAT tools (was Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows3 Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows 3 Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows P OT: ... RE: re**3: Barrel rolls,was Re: aircraft are not Sun (no	w rolling subs)1 Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation 5 Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation 5 Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation 5 Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation 5 Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation 1 re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun 5 Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun 5 Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun 5 Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun 5 Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun 5 Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun 5 Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun  Re: RTR and DECdtm- Re: Searching for DECnet-Plus Source Listings - Re: Searching for DECnet-Plus Source Listings - Re: Searching for DECnet-Plus Source Listings  Spamming Incident  strange FTP happenings! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist - Tips to use VAX/VMS (was: CHARON-VAX images?)  VMS 7.1 and ACE (securid) Agent # Re: VMS 7.1 and ACE (securid) Agent 2 Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharing2 Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharing2 Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharing2 Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharing Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer  Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer  Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:06:30 GMT  From: paul_hallam@my-deja.com ; Subject: Re: $EXPREG failing to allocate memory in P2 space ) Message-ID: <8png2c$vvv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   $ Here's the info - thanks for looking   1) Open VMS ALPHA V7.1-2 2) Pascal V5.7   All compilation is performed by ; $PASCAL/DEB/NOOP/CHECK/WARN/LIS/SHOW=STRUCT and linked with  $LINK/DEB/MAP/CROSS   F The EXPREG code is in the main log but, for completenes, heres the qio  - ALL variables have been changed to INTEGER64. B This QIO worked when I was mapping to P0 space but doesn't now I'm mapping to P2 space.    !         stat := $qio (  efn := 0, +                         chan := io_channel, -                         func := IO$_READVBLK, +                         iosb := local_iosb, (                         p1 := temp_addr,+                         p2 := read_io_size, ,                         p3 := read_block ) ;   Many thanks Paul    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:52:22 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>- Subject: Re: Adding 2nd bootserver to cluster ( Message-ID: <39BF9A1A.393B6C4E@decus.fi>  B Well, you could of course just add the new server with VOTES=1 andB set EXPECTED_VOTES=2 on the whole cluster for the time being. When@ you want to finally get rid of  the old server, just do SHUTDOWN> with REMOVE_NODE option. Alternativelu, do the "Qourum Regain" trick on console terminal, i.e.    >>> D/I 14 c<ret> 
 >>> C<ret> IPC> Q<return> IPC> <control-Z>   on a VAX or    >>> D SIRR C<ret> 
 >>> C<ret> IPC> Q<ret>  IPC> <control-Z>  6 after shutting down the voting node and losing qourum.   _veli      Robert Deininger wrote:  > v > In article <009F007B.21E42433.8@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>, Horst Drechsel <ai05@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de> wrote: >  > > Hi all,  > > D > >    currently we maintain a VMSCluster consisting of a bootserverJ > > providing VOTES=1, all satellites having VOTES=0. Now we want to add aG > > second new bootserver scheduled to become the new cluster server at  > > later time.  > > K > >    When invoking CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM we chose option 1 ("Add new cluster K > > member"), and say this should become a bootserver, which probably means M > > that the new node will contribute VOTES=1 as well. So we have two cluster D > > members (current and future server) with each providing VOTES=1. > J > You might consider giving your current boot server 2 votes instead of 1,6 > and let the new boot server have the default 1 vote. > E > This way, your expected votes will be 3 and quorum will be 2.  Your N > cluster can remain happy with the old server present and the new one absent. > K > If you ever want to interchange the roles of the two servers, first lower K > one from 2 votes to 1, reboot, and then raise the other from 1 vote to 2. K > If you do it in this order, your expected votes never goes up to 4, which ! > would make your quorum go to 3.  > I > Two boot nodes, each with 1 vote, results in quorum being 2.  If either 1 > nodes leaves the cluster, you will lose quorum.  > I > > EXPECTED_VOTES is currently set to 1 for all members. Are we urged to I > > increment EXPECTED_VOTES to 2, or can we leave the actual value of 1? J > > Will this give the possibility to run the cluster satellites with only) > > one of the two voting members online?  > G > No, the connection manager will effectively raise expected votes to 2 I > as soon the second vote appears.  (Or maybe it only raises quorum to 2; K > I'm forgetting the details.)  In any case, if you have 2 servers with one C > vote each, you'll need both in the cluster or you'll lose quorum.  > I > The unsymmetric scheme outlined above lets your cluster stay happy with D > only 1 of the servers present, but you have to decide which is theG > important server ahead of time.  If you want to stay up with _either_ G > of the two servers available, you'll either need a 3rd voting node or O > a quorum disk.  The quorum disk only makes sense if you have a shared storage I > bus.  If the quorum disk is only connected to one machine, the standard K > advice is to get rid of it and give its vote to the machine.  Then you're - > effectively back to the scheme I described.  > C > You could a satellite a vote, but since it can't boot itself, you K > would be back to needing at least two machines up to get quorum.  I don't  > like that method myself. > I > It's all in Guidlines for Cluster Configuration, but it does take a few   > readings to make it all clear. >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:58:26 +0200 ' From: "vmsmurfy" <vmsmurfy@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: BACKUP priviledges * Message-ID: <8po1ai$mp0$3@cyan.nl.gxn.net>  V <system@niuhep.physics.niu.edu> wrote in message news:8pjirr$4b5$1@husk.cso.niu.edu...B > Trying to set up a dedicated backup account with minimal priv.s,, > the following is the output of my attempt: >  > $ set proc/priv=readall ( Ah. And this you call "minimal priv's" ? READALL enables you to read for example SYSUAF.DAT as being your own file so you CAN CHANGE THE PROTECTION, MODIFY YOUR ENTRY IN IT $ (SETPRV) and take over the system...   vmsmurfy   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:30:59 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: BACKUP priviledges L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1309001131000001@user-2iveajr.dialup.mindspring.com>  S In article <8po1ai$mp0$3@cyan.nl.gxn.net>, "vmsmurfy" <vmsmurfy@hotmail.com> wrote:      > > $ set proc/priv=readall * > Ah. And this you call "minimal priv's" ? > READALL enables you to read for example SYSUAF.DAT as being your own file so you CAN CHANGE THE PROTECTION, MODIFY YOUR ENTRY IN IT & > (SETPRV) and take over the system...    F Well, I don't have time to try it right now, but I don't think this is	 possible.   I READALL does not appear to give you CONTROL access to anything, including C the SYSUAF.  So you can't change its protection or modify the file.   H READALL does give you the ability to change the backup date, but that is a clearly-documented feature.   M http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6346/6346pro_009.html#readall_priv   H READALL is for operator accounts, specifically operators who do backups.H If you have operators you can't trust, turn out the lights.  Your system
 isn't secure.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2000 15:48:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: BACKUP priviledges 6 Message-ID: <8po7k4$e9i$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  T In article <8po1ai$mp0$3@cyan.nl.gxn.net>, "vmsmurfy" <vmsmurfy@hotmail.com> writes:) :Ah. And this you call "minimal priv's" ?   I   Correct.  READALL is a powerful privilege, and it should be issued with J   great care -- READALL permits the holder to view anything on the system.  K :READALL enables you to read for example SYSUAF.DAT as being your own file  H :so you CAN CHANGE THE PROTECTION, MODIFY YOUR ENTRY IN IT (SETPRV) and  :take over the system...  7   Please take a look at the OpenVMS V6.0 release notes.   M   READALL does _not_ grant control access in OpenVMS releases V6.0 and later. K   OpenVMS was modified to permit only control (write) access only to those  L   specific portions of the file headers (eg: the BACKUP date) to users with K   READALL.  This is the level of access that tools such as BACKUP require,  M   and thus the use of READALL is typically appropriate for operator accounts.   N   On earlier OpenVMS versions, READALL did grant control access to the entire L   file header, and could permit access that <vmsmurfy@hotmail.com> mentions.M   And also as <vmsmurfy@hotmail.com> mentions, you can make copies of SYSUAF  M   or other files.  But you cannot write nor replace existing copies of these     files.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 00:06:12 +0100 5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk> ; Subject: Re: Re: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun . Message-ID: <8pn928$op8$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>  D Yeah! And it gets to be even more fun when you are backing a trailerH behind a tractor and the trailor has steerable front wheels! You have toG think about steering the front wheels of the trailer by moving the back @ end of the tractor around (and that's a non-rigid coupling too).  F Funny thing is, after a short while (and a few spectacular tangles) it seems to be quite easy.   G Who's that man who spends his time designing bycycles with all sorts of E funny gearings and inverted peddling and steering etc etc just to see F how far you have to go before you can make a bike that you can't learn to ride?     regards,   Adrian   --( Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK" A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk      = Michael D. Ober <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> wrote in message ? news:QWqv5.5112$%p2.243239@newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net... @ > Sailors don't sail upside down.  Aircraft can fly upside down. Another A > example of this control reversal is backing up a vehicle with a  trailer.C > You have to steer in the opposite direction of where you want the 
 trailer to > go.  > -- > Mike Ober  > H > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message' > news:Vtbe4VOwz1LM@eisner.decus.org... F > > In article <009F0039.8E62DD03.6@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot' > <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:  > > H > > > What's really tricky is that the control stick movements needed to
 > maintainB > > > inverted flight are the opposite of what are normal. Imagine riding aG > > > bicycle fixed so that mooving the handlebars to the left cause it  to > steer  > > > to the right.  > > 9 > > Oh, you mean like using a tiller instead of a wheel ?  > > $ > > Sailors adapt.  Aviators should. >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 13:12:05 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) ) Subject: Re: CETS2000- Hotel Reservations + Message-ID: <caZszUTNAq5W@eisner.decus.org>   N In article <39AE7EB2.9FE698AF@ipact.com>, Earl Lakia <lakia@ipact.com> writes:F > So I registered but did not get a room or plane ticket.  Tried to go
 > back andI > do that, but the web page won't let me add a room.  The Symposia packet C > didn't include phone numbers so now I have to find them myselves.  > " > Anyone else have these problems?  K Yup. I registered for the symposium and the 2 days of seminars. Big problem I doing that via company PO instead of personal credit card number. Already  brought this one up.  L Then they booked me in the hotel of my choice, but only for the seminar, not' the symposium. Over a month and no fix.   G A few days ago I finally get a call that the hotel is booked up for the G weekend, and I'll have to switch hotles in the middle of the week :-( I J bitched. A lot! I got them to book me the whole week in a different hotel,7 and to eat the difference in cost, about $20 per night.   K I think I'm booked into the pre symposium seminars. I think I'm booked into K the workshop of my choice. But I won't be sure about anything for another 3  weeks.  I The ONLY part of this registration that has NOT been a mess was my flight L from Chicago to LAX. Our corporate travel booked that, and it was only $177.- Unless United is hit with another slowdown...    	Bob Kaplow	  J jeshuel@earthlink.net postmaster@127.0.0.1 webmaster@global-prosperity.comJ paul@still.zzn.com newyorker@cartoonbank.exactis.com Blindfury1010@aol.com, strategies1221f@hotmail.com ahogan3@ford.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 06:20:16 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>, Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX images? - ot warning5 Message-ID: <A0Fv5.146$F93.77385@typhoon.aracnet.com>   & hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:K >> ...and yes, mixed-architecture clusters do work. Just be careful how you G >> mix OpenVMS versions. Some play nicer together than others, and some  >> won't play together at all.  > > So, a straight 7.2 setup, on both families should be great!! > thanks again!  > bob   C Yes, works great that's how my Hobbyist cluster is setup.  BTW, the F clustering doc's say V6.2-7.2 is supported.  IIRC, I've had V6.1 in myK cluster at one point, however, stuff like MONI CLUSTER wouldn't work on the  V6.1 system.    J OTOH, don't even think about putting VAX/VMS V5.5-2 in that cluster :^)  II tried that and bad things happened to my cluster uptime :^)  (OK, so that J was mainly my own stupidity, as you can't technically join a V5.5-2 system in).   			Zane    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 09:38:44 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: CHARON-VAX images? - ot warning* Message-ID: <39bf2f04$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  X In article <39BEE14F.62D33595@bellatlantic.net>, hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> writes: >"David J. Dachtera" wrote:  >> Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  >> >\ >> > In article <39BE9A07.D67815F@bellatlantic.net>, hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> writes:J >> > >Can you cluster alphas and vaxen? I have 11 uVIIs/31/34/35/3600s andE >> > >4 alphas.  I have netbsd on them all but picked up the hobbyistC0 >> > >vms for each, and was wondering....hmmmmm. >> >, >> > Sure. This is an OPSYS and not M$ crap.+ >> > Welcome to the wonderful world of VMS.  >> AK >> He's right! VMS is a REAL, commercial-grade operating system, as opposedS' >> to Micro$hit's point-and-click toys.i >> ?K >> ...and yes, mixed-architecture clusters do work. Just be careful how you G >> mix OpenVMS versions. Some play nicer together than others, and some  >> won't play together at all. > = >So, a straight 7.2 setup, on both families should be great!!   G I would recommend V7.2-1 on Alpha instead of V7.2. But on VAX it's V7.2d -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:17:15 GMTp From: rocoto@my-deja.com Subject: RE: dcps ) Message-ID: <8po5p2$p5l$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  B In article <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DE9C0@petra.WPI.EDU>,0   "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> wrote:   : G > more firmware upgrades for free.  I couldn't get the woman I spoke tob toG > give me a name and phone number, but she said if someone else were to  callG > and refer to a case number (either 1426112624 or 1426112847 - one fore eachD > SIMM their sending) the tech support person should be able to findH > everything they need.  The part number also helps.  I couldn't get her to   : F > Other ideas: I went through their phone tree and selected the option for HPG > Laserjets purchased within the last year.  They never even brought ups trying$ > to charge me for the support call. >l > Hope this helps...  E It did - I got my firwmare update this morning! Thanks! -- I called &eF referred the tech person to the first case number above as the problemD description. They didn't give me any trouble at all this time. -- Go figure.r  E As an aside, assuming I would be unable to make further progress withcC HP, I was able to get dcps to talk to my 4000N under older firmwarei" (code 980311 MOBY3.65) as follows:  B   * Make a copy of SYS$SHARE:DCPS$DEVCTL.TLB as DCPS$DEVCTL_LJ4000A (Now working only from the custom copy of the devctl library....) 0   * Extract all modules from it to a working dir/   * Replace all occurrences of '\n' with '\r\n'     * Replace all modified modules9   * Copy module LPS$$LEXMARKOPTRAS1629_EXITSERVERLOOP andV7     insert as module LPS$$HPLASERJET4000_EXITSERVERLOOP D   * Edit module LPS$$LOADDICT and add an 'x' to the end of the wordsD     '/defaulttumble' and '/tumble' - the printer does not handle theB     execution of these correctly. Changing them to something bogus=     stops the loaddict from aborting on the error the printer B     incorrectly issues (probably disabling any tumble functions in     the process).pG   * Redefine the queue to use the custom devctl library in DCPS$STARTUP -   * Stop/reset the queue & rerun DCPS$STARTUP   G It's been working ok since, but obviously anything that wants to access @ tumble stuff won't work right, and I'm pretty sure there will beC problems with errror handling in this configuration up to the pointqD where the dcps custom error handler code gets installed. Maybe other; issues too, but it at least let me use the printer for now.    -- Davido    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:40:32 GMTb( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>$ Subject: Re: Disk init error message' Message-ID: <G0tMzK.36r@spcuna.spc.edu>-  + h h  williams <hhwill@global.co.za> writes:mL > Im trying to INIT a 2.1 gb SCSI disk on a  vintage VS3100/VMS 5.4 (DKB0:),F > and get the message INIT-F-CLUSTER 'unsuitable cluster factor'.  Any > pointers anyone?  I   The storage bitmap has to fit in 255 blocks or less, until VMS V7.2. If G the cluster factor is too small, the bitmap will not fit in 255 blocks. J The default cluster factor of 3 means that a 255-block bitmap can describe; a maximum of 3,133,440 disk blocks, or approximately 1.5GB,c  H   You'll probably need to specify /cluster_factor=4 or /cluster_factor=5 on your INIT command.e  I   Note that disks larger than about 1GB are not supported as system disks G on the VS3100 (the boot ROM only issues 6-byte SCSI commands, which can<G only access the first 1GB or so of the disk). The VMS SCSI drivers wererI enhanced at some point to support 10-byte commands, but I don't know when + that was - it may have been after VMS V5.4.v  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.comV5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2000 15:10:43 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)$ Subject: Re: Disk init error message6 Message-ID: <8po5dj$e3f$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  R In article <G0tMzK.36r@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:, :h h  williams <hhwill@global.co.za> writes:M :> Im trying to INIT a 2.1 gb SCSI disk on a  vintage VS3100/VMS 5.4 (DKB0:),oG :> and get the message INIT-F-CLUSTER 'unsuitable cluster factor'.  Anyf :> pointers anyone?h ..I :  You'll probably need to specify /cluster_factor=4 or /cluster_factor=5a :on your INIT command.  B   The default INITIALIZE command should work.  What specific INIT    command are you using?  J :  Note that disks larger than about 1GB are not supported as system disksH :on the VS3100 (the boot ROM only issues 6-byte SCSI commands, which canH :only access the first 1GB or so of the disk). The VMS SCSI drivers wereJ :enhanced at some point to support 10-byte commands, but I don't know when, :that was - it may have been after VMS V5.4.  H   OpenVMS version information and VAXstation 3100 (and certain MicroVAX 1   3100!) platform details are in the OpenVMS FAQ.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:07:40 -0500s/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> $ Subject: Re: Disk init error messageO Message-ID: <67101846E3171DED.F1D8224DF6641257.84DDF3D08D614223@lp.airnews.net>    Terry Kennedy wrote: > - > h h  williams <hhwill@global.co.za> writes:eN > > Im trying to INIT a 2.1 gb SCSI disk on a  vintage VS3100/VMS 5.4 (DKB0:),H > > and get the message INIT-F-CLUSTER 'unsuitable cluster factor'.  Any > > pointers anyone? > K >   The storage bitmap has to fit in 255 blocks or less, until VMS V7.2. IftI > the cluster factor is too small, the bitmap will not fit in 255 blocks.eL > The default cluster factor of 3 means that a 255-block bitmap can describe= > a maximum of 3,133,440 disk blocks, or approximately 1.5GB,e > J >   You'll probably need to specify /cluster_factor=4 or /cluster_factor=5 > on your INIT command.t > K >   Note that disks larger than about 1GB are not supported as system diskssI > on the VS3100 (the boot ROM only issues 6-byte SCSI commands, which can I > only access the first 1GB or so of the disk). The VMS SCSI drivers were K > enhanced at some point to support 10-byte commands, but I don't know whenm- > that was - it may have been after VMS V5.4.-   AFAIK it was V5.3-2.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------B$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com s   Fax: 817-237-30741   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:21:45 +1100n2 From: Paul Linton <Paul@CastleHill.FourthR.com.au> Subject: ERRFMT in RWMBXT Message-ID: <8287066E31C5B9429791B59A1FA4F72301AF27@dingo.CastleHill.FourthR.com.au>  A The problem is that someone who should be reading the mailbox hasTE stopped doing so.  So the question is how to find out who has stopped G reading the mailbox.  If you know the MBA that is filling up you should:F be able to find what other processes have channels open to it via SDA.F Sorry I can't be more explicit but it is a few years since I have done this sort of thing.s  	 good luck  Paul -----Original Message-----$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk' [mailto:Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk]d, Posted At: Friday, 8 September 2000 11:40 PM Posted To: vms Conversation: ERRFMT in RWMBXY Subject: ERRFMT in RWMBX     cc:y bcc:= Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazad   ERRFMT in RWMBXe    F We have a few Alphas (8400s and 4100s) running OpenVMS 7.2-1 and 7.1-2 upon6 which the ERRFMT process has started to go into RWMBX.  G Other than doing a copy of the mailbox to clear it, is there anything Ie can doH to alleviate the need to reboot these machines? Anyone seen this before?  D It has only started happening these last few weeks. If it were a Sun box, IE could put it down to static, but I am a bit stumped as to why this isr
 happening.A Can I find out if anything else is latching onto the mailbox, andr causing therG ERRFMT to go RWMBX, and if there is, why would it never be that processi which  hangs?  . Happy to provide more information if required.   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesd     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message hasr beenB addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,
 distribute orc use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notoH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:42:38 +0200 , From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>* Subject: Re: File Format from SET HOST/LOG* Message-ID: <8poas7$fkb$1@buty.wanadoo.nl>   No it wouldn't ;-)   $ edit/teco sethost.logs ex<esc><esc>   however, might!i  	 Bart Zornl  0 "Veli Krkk" <korkko@decus.fi> wrote in message" news:39BE7094.845953BC@decus.fi... > Woulds >c > $ edit/teco sethost.logn > <esc><esc>ex >E > do the trick?y >p > _velif >o# > steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:e > >vK > > Having logged a VMS install earlier today using SET HOST/LOG 0 and thenc SETpI > > HOST/DTE to go from a VAXstation to the serial port on an Alpha using@ theiG > > TTA2: port on the VAXstation, I've now got a file with lots of CRLFy pairsoK > > and with lines that were all nice and neat on the original screen split-( > > over multiple lines in the log file. > > Like, for example :f > >e > > >>>f > > sp > > hn > > on > >o > > dd > > eo > > vm > > <CR> > > <LF> > > d- > > ka0.0.0.2000.0 DKA0e > >0 > >     Seagate ST32550N > > A > > What I'd like to do is to tidy the file up so that it gives :o > >w > > >>> sho devr- > > dka0.0.0.2000.0     DKA0 Seagate ST32550N. > >oJ > > so that I do not have to edit the individual lines before printing the > > stuff out. > >d > > What should I be doing?o > >e
 > > Steve. >o >h   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:35:51 -0400 (EDT)e2 From: "Douglas S. Meade" <vaxboy@inforum2.umd.edu> Subject: Hobbyist Cluster?G Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.20.0009131135060.12735-100000@inforum2.umd.edu>   A I've got the VMS 7.2 Hobbbyist license, and I thought I would tryrB to learn something about VaxClusters.  However, I'm confused aboutA the terms of the license, and also confused about how the licensey works in a cluster environment.a  ? For example, the terms of the license limit use to one machine,o= which obviously rules out a cluster.  However, the clusteringk9 software is on the Hobbyist CD, and there is a VMSCLUSTER4) license available, with PAK.  What gives?   A I followed the instructions for CLUSTER_CONFIG to set up a simplet? cluster of two machines (Vaxstation 3100s), and then registeredw< the PAK for VMSCLUSTER.  I don't have all the details of the3 cluster ironed out yet, but I notice the following:   5 1. SHOW LICENSE - Shows VMSCLUSTER as being licensed.uG 2. When I start up the boot node of the cluster, it shows the following 	 messages:c=  %LICENSE-I-NOLICENSE, No license is active for this product.s=  %LOGIN-I-NOVAXCLUSTER, DEC VMSCLUSTER license is not active. ,  %LOGIN-S-LOGOPRCON, login allowed for OPA0:; 3. Now I cannot connect to the boot machine any longer with  DECnet or TCPIP.  
 Questions:A 1. Is the hobbyist license restricted, so that this is the way itcD    is supposed to work?  Can I really then not set up a cluster with    this license?C 2. Or is there something I'm missing about registering the licenses A    in a clustered environment?  Do I need to register them again,5    for example?l  
 Doug Meade Univ. of Md.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:59:07 +0000 (   )53 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>@ Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10009131549470.4418-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>   , On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Douglas S. Meade wrote:  C > I've got the VMS 7.2 Hobbbyist license, and I thought I would trypD > to learn something about VaxClusters.  However, I'm confused aboutC > the terms of the license, and also confused about how the license ! > works in a cluster environment.n   Simple -- read below.t  A > For example, the terms of the license limit use to one machine, ? > which obviously rules out a cluster.  However, the clusteringe; > software is on the Hobbyist CD, and there is a VMSCLUSTER + > license available, with PAK.  What gives?i  F You need seperate licenses for each machine for VMS itself.  AFAIK theC (other) software is licensed for as many machines as you run it on.   I So you need N VAX/VMS hobbyist licenses (Yes, they'll give them to you --n8 one per machine), and one license for the layered stuff.  C > I followed the instructions for CLUSTER_CONFIG to set up a simple A > cluster of two machines (Vaxstation 3100s), and then registered > > the PAK for VMSCLUSTER.  I don't have all the details of the5 > cluster ironed out yet, but I notice the following:  > 7 > 1. SHOW LICENSE - Shows VMSCLUSTER as being licensed. I > 2. When I start up the boot node of the cluster, it shows the following- > messages:m? >  %LICENSE-I-NOLICENSE, No license is active for this product.0? >  %LOGIN-I-NOVAXCLUSTER, DEC VMSCLUSTER license is not active.-. >  %LOGIN-S-LOGOPRCON, login allowed for OPA0:= > 3. Now I cannot connect to the boot machine any longer with. > DECnet or TCPIP.  G Some things (VMS itself, for instance) are limited to one node.  You'llaI need to get seperate licenses for each node you want to run.  You'll also H need to modify the license information (see help on the license command)/ to tell the program which node it's limited to.c  J The cluster enviroment (or it might be just networking -- I dont' remember> right off) makes these more picky, and it probably didn't care, before, since it only knew about one system.   > Questions:C > 1. Is the hobbyist license restricted, so that this is the way itdF >    is supposed to work?  Can I really then not set up a cluster with >    this license?  I You can, and I've done it.  You'll just need to get seperate VMS licensesSC -- one for each machine in the cluster, and you'll need to tell the B license which machine it's specific to (again, help on the license	 command).   E > 2. Or is there something I'm missing about registering the licenses-C >    in a clustered environment?  Do I need to register them again,t >    for example?)  D Don't think you need to re-register them, but you need to modify theD existing licenses to tell them the node-name of the machine to which they're allocated.  H I'm sorry I can't be more specific on this (allthough a /include= sticksD in my mind...) since I don't have the docs right here.  Once you setI things up so that it knows which machine has which license, you should be  fine.1  ) HTH, and sorry if I'm babeling right now,I   Chrisb  O ===============================================================================.@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W ProgrammerV Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.e% -------------------------------------$I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andeH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 aO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:32:17 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?H Message-ID: <OFA43F1AC1.37290C88-ON80256959.005AA7B8@qedi.quintiles.com>  ; There are two cluster licenses - VAXcluster and VMScluster.gI The VMScluster one is for Alphas whereas the VAXcluster one is for VAXen.AJ I don't believe that the two are interchangable.  You should have got bothJ licenses when you got your layered products licenses.  If they're anythingC like mine then the VAXcluster license is near the start whereas the-E VMScluster license is buried in the pack further down in alphabeticalo order.  K The licenses other than the VMS license itself (which has a hardware numbervD in it) are zero unit licenses.  These are "go anywhere, do anything"I licenses, like the UK education licenses.  You only need to have one in anD cluster for all of the nodes in that cluster to be licensed for thatG product and, for activity based licenses, an unlimited number of users.rJ You therefore only need one VAXcluster license for all of the VAX nodes inH the cluster and one VMScluster license for all of the Alpha nodes in the cluster.   Hope this helps. Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:37:35 +0200r! From: "Paul" <pvreek@hotmail.com>i! Subject: How to read a fileheaderc6 Message-ID: <8pnotk$bvo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Hi,d  J Can anybody tell me how I can read the image header's "image name" using a tool like cobol of bliss.pH With analyze/image I can find the "image name" of an image in the "Image= Identification Information" of the image header. I need to be G able to read the "image name" from the image header because that "imagedH name" can be different from the imagename that is shown when listing the
 directory.   System: Alpha OpenVMS 7.2-1.  
 Regards Paul.i        
 ANALYZ A07-04   # This is an OpenVMS Alpha image filex   IMAGE HEADER            Fixed Header Information  5                 image format major id: 3, minor id: 0 %                 header block count: 2L3                 image type: executable (EIHD$K_EXE)o*                 I/O channel count: default*                 I/O pagelet count: default;                 Symbol Vector Virtual Address: %X'00000000't+                 Symbol Vector Size: 0 bytes =                 Virtual Memory Block Size: 65536 (BPAGE = 16) ;                 Fixup Section Virtual Address: %X'00030000'o                 linker flags:i/                         (0)  EIHD$V_LNKDEBUG  0 /                         (1)  EIHD$V_LNKNOTFR  1r/                         (2)  EIHD$V_NOP0BUFS  0r/                         (3)  EIHD$V_PICIMG    1 /                         (4)  EIHD$V_P0IMAGE   0b/                         (5)  EIHD$V_DBGDMT    1e/                         (6)  EIHD$V_INISHR    0 /                         (7)  EIHD$V_XLATED    0s/                         (8)  EIHD$V_BIND_CODE 0r/                         (9)  EIHD$V_BIND_DATA 0t/                         (10) EIHD$V_MKTHREADS 0 /                         (11) EIHD$V_UPCALLS   0-  $         Image Activation Information  5                 first transfer address:  %X'00000340'm5                 second transfer address: %X'00000000'D5                 third transfer address:  %X'00000000'@  <         Global Symbol Table & Debug Symbol Table Information  <                 debug symbol table VBN:  8, byte count: 1024;                 global symbol table VBN: 0, record count: 0n@                 debug module/psect table VBN: 10, byte count: 28  (         Image Identification Information  '                 image name: "IMAGEINFO" 3                 image file identification: "V00A01"o3                 image file build identification: ""l7                 link date/time: 11-SEP-2000 16:05:37.99t/                 linker identification: "A11-39"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:41:08 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s% Subject: Re: How to read a fileheadern0 Message-ID: <009F00E6.D30BE238@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <8pnotk$bvo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Paul" <pvreek@hotmail.com> writes: >Hi, >wK >Can anybody tell me how I can read the image header's "image name" using aw >tool like cobol of bliss.I >With analyze/image I can find the "image name" of an image in the "Image > >Identification Information" of the image header. I need to beH >able to read the "image name" from the image header because that "imageI >name" can be different from the imagename that is shown when listing the. >directory.e >d >System: Alpha OpenVMS 7.2-1.  >h >Regards Paul.  H Read in the first block of the image.  At offset EIHD$L_IMGIDOFF (Alpha)F or IHD$W_IMGIDOFF (VAX) you will find the offset in the header to the H ident section.  From this new location, you will find two counted ASCII I strings whic can be located at offsets EIHI$T_IMGNAM (ALpha)/IHI$T_IMGNAMoH (VAX) and EIHI$T_IMGID (Alpha)/IHI$T_IMGID (VAX).  These definitions ex-G ist in the LIB.MLB, SYS$LIB_C.TLB, and LIB.REQ files.  They may not ex-aG ist in definition files for other languages but can be obtained at linksG time by linking against SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES:IMGDEF.STB (Alpha) or SYS$-  SYSTEM:IMGDEF.STB (VAX).   Simple?h   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMm            aO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.M   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 10:19:46 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)% Subject: Re: How to read a fileheadere+ Message-ID: <WyJZ1a0QDvKQ@eisner.decus.org>#  Z In article <8pnotk$bvo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Paul" <pvreek@hotmail.com> writes: > Hi,  > L > Can anybody tell me how I can read the image header's "image name" using a > tool like cobol of bliss..J > With analyze/image I can find the "image name" of an image in the "Image? > Identification Information" of the image header. I need to be I > able to read the "image name" from the image header because that "imageeJ > name" can be different from the imagename that is shown when listing the > directory. >   =    You can get at this data if you put code in a PSECT called.I    lib$initialize.  I forget how you get the offset to the image header, lE    (search your CDROM based doc set for LIB$INTIALIZE, IIRC it's been D    documented for several years now) but from there you can use the     offsets in $IHDDEF and such.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:05:36 GMTa= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)p% Subject: Re: How to read a fileheader 0 Message-ID: <009F00F2.A002E653@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <WyJZ1a0QDvKQ@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:[ >In article <8pnotk$bvo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Paul" <pvreek@hotmail.com> writes:e >> Hi, >> MM >> Can anybody tell me how I can read the image header's "image name" using a- >> tool like cobol of bliss.K >> With analyze/image I can find the "image name" of an image in the "Imagee@ >> Identification Information" of the image header. I need to beJ >> able to read the "image name" from the image header because that "imageK >> name" can be different from the imagename that is shown when listing the 
 >> directory.4 >> B >1> >   You can get at this data if you put code in a PSECT calledJ >   lib$initialize.  I forget how you get the offset to the image header, F >   (search your CDROM based doc set for LIB$INTIALIZE, IIRC it's beenE >   documented for several years now) but from there you can use the t  >   offsets in $IHDDEF and such.  H The main image header should be in P1 space referenced by the base imageG symbol: CTL$GL_IMGHDRBF.  No real need to diddle with an initializations psect.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMd            8O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.:   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2000 15:16:22 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: How to read a fileheader)6 Message-ID: <8po5o6$e3f$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Z In article <8pnotk$bvo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Paul" <pvreek@hotmail.com> writes:F :Can anybody tell me how I can read the image header's "image name"...  D   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/srh_examples/SHOWIMAGVERS.C  A   The call to img$decode_ihd isn't strictly necessary if you walkbB   through the chain of data structure offsets in the image header.?   (I was just having some fun...)  You _must_ walk the chain ofrD   offsets, do _not_ directly reference the absolute offset from the B   base of the image header as the individual component structures    _can_ be relocated.   C   For some basic details on the image headers, see the IDSM and sees6   the IHDDEF and related IH*DEF structure definitions.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:42:20 +0100sB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?* Message-ID: <39BF762C.B40744EF@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:g  , > In article <39BE4118.758BC214@uk.sun.com>,F > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: > >Jordan Henderson wrote: > >F. > >> In article <39BE1F7C.2B2B7D4@uk.sun.com>, > >>B > >> >So in reality Compaq now has two TPC-C numbers one is fasterL > >> >than the other but for the bulk of users the slower of the two numbers$ > >> >is the one that they will use. > >> > > >>E > >> In reality, how many customers can get anywhere _near_ published C > >> TPC-C numbers in their real-world applications?  Almost nobodyeE > >> takes the care and attention to tune and configure the way thoseGD > >> benchmark systems are.  In the real world, requirements are too> > >> fluid, configurations dictated more by delivery dates and5 > >> project schedules to produce ideal environments.n > >> > >s? > >Well done you got there. You see thats the whole point TPC-CvA > >represents a pinnacle of performance for OLTP which in general @ > >real applications don't acheive. You only need to look at the? > >TPC-C and Oracle applications benchmark results to see this.  > >t> > >This is the reason why the OPS in a box scheme used for the; > >GS320 benchmark is such a pointless excercise because it0= > >magnifies the ratio of what you can acheive with TPC-C and 9 > >what you shoould expect to get with real applications.  > >  >d: > You're a real piece of work.  You have been lecturing us; > on how TPC benchmarks show the REAL story (not CPU speed,5: > or floating point or anything else) and now, when Compaq; > produces such a benchmark that is world-beating, you pick. > at it for some detail. >@  6 No Jordan that not what I said. I said the the further/ you move away from just integer CPU performanceg- benchmarks epitomised by SPECint towards realt2 applications the less competative the AlphaServers get in terms of performance.   On that basis you geto SPECint,;             Set of memory/cache resident integer benchmarksb%             AlphaServers do this wellt TPC-C clusteredo;             Set of simple OLTP queries using any middlewaree%             you like and a 3GL client ?             AlphaServers do OK at this but still don't come outl0             as the price or performance leaders.) TPC-C single system single DBMS instance. ;             Set of simple OLTP queries using any middleware +             you like and a 3GL based clientS*             AlphaServers do this less well Oracle Apps/SAP SD<             Much more complex set of queries with no choices;             over middleware database architecture or clientt&             AlphaServers do this badly  > With SPECint being the simplest, and least good for predicting8 system performance and with Oracle Apps/SAP SD being the= best for predicting actual applications performance. So whichl8 do you want a system that does really well on benchmarks: that are very poor predictors of the actual performance of6 the bulk of the applications running on a system, or a@ system that does well running the actual applications themselves  B And in case you missed the point, the real issue is that some NUMAJ systems require much more tuning to get the same performance as equivalentN UMA systems, but most of these performance tuning tricks are only available toF you if you are running TPC-C, they are not available to you if you are@ running SAP. For example because the applications vendor may notD allow you to use something like OPS which was the basis of your NUMA
 TPC-C result.l     >m8 > As I said before, if there's some failing in the TPC-C8 > benchmark, please, go argue it with the TPC, but leave9 > us alone.  We're tired of your shifting claims and youre > tireless spinning. >l  8 There is, its well known and that was one of the reasons4 why TPC-E was developed, sadly some vendors who will8 remain nameless did not want to have to spend more money7 to run TPC-E (it would have been more costly to run) it < also would not necessarely have favoured fast but relatively' unsophisticated DBMS's like SQL-Server.f   > < > >This is because most people either can't use OPS in a box: > >or won't for solid reasons to do with skills costs etc. > >) >n9 > Gee.  I guess people who want world beating performances$ > can't be expected to pay for it... >s  @ But thats the whole point isn't it. The performance is not world? beating. Compaq are third behind Sun and IBM for single systemsf: TPC-C TPM. Nor is it cheap the Sun for example is cheaper.D So you are suggesting that people should spend more money on a GS320J to get slower performance and also end up with a system that at least from; a DBMS standpoint has a much much bigger TCO and which mosts& applications vendors will not support.   Why should they bother ??c     > > > Of course, if customers want real low-cost price/performance: > wining DBMS performance that is relatively easy to field7 > and inexpensive to operate, then they might go with at: > Wintel solution.  There are different prices to pay, but= > these are the kinds of solutions for people who find Oraclec! > Parallel Server so frightening.i >s5 > Good thing that Compaq can help them out with this.  >c  2 But not a good thing for OpenVMS customers !!!!!!!   Regardso Andrew Harrisonh Enterprise IT Architecti   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 11:49:39 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)c, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?* Message-ID: <8po7mj$akf$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <39BF762C.B40744EF@uk.sun.com>,D Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >Jordan Henderson wrote: >h- >> In article <39BE4118.758BC214@uk.sun.com>, G >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:m >> >Jordan Henderson wrote:m >> >/ >> >> In article <39BE1F7C.2B2B7D4@uk.sun.com>,  >> >>lC >> >> >So in reality Compaq now has two TPC-C numbers one is fasteraM >> >> >than the other but for the bulk of users the slower of the two numbers % >> >> >is the one that they will use.- >> >> >h >> >>nF >> >> In reality, how many customers can get anywhere _near_ publishedD >> >> TPC-C numbers in their real-world applications?  Almost nobodyF >> >> takes the care and attention to tune and configure the way thoseE >> >> benchmark systems are.  In the real world, requirements are too ? >> >> fluid, configurations dictated more by delivery dates and=6 >> >> project schedules to produce ideal environments. >> >>" >> >@ >> >Well done you got there. You see thats the whole point TPC-CB >> >represents a pinnacle of performance for OLTP which in generalA >> >real applications don't acheive. You only need to look at theo@ >> >TPC-C and Oracle applications benchmark results to see this. >> >? >> >This is the reason why the OPS in a box scheme used for thee< >> >GS320 benchmark is such a pointless excercise because it> >> >magnifies the ratio of what you can acheive with TPC-C and: >> >what you shoould expect to get with real applications. >> > >>; >> You're a real piece of work.  You have been lecturing usR< >> on how TPC benchmarks show the REAL story (not CPU speed,; >> or floating point or anything else) and now, when Compaqe< >> produces such a benchmark that is world-beating, you pick >> at it for some detail.e >> >s7 >No Jordan that not what I said. I said the the furthera0 >you move away from just integer CPU performance. >benchmarks epitomised by SPECint towards real3 >applications the less competative the AlphaServersa >get in terms of performance.u >r >On that basis you get >SPECint< >            Set of memory/cache resident integer benchmarks& >            AlphaServers do this well >TPC-C clustered< >            Set of simple OLTP queries using any middleware& >            you like and a 3GL client@ >            AlphaServers do OK at this but still don't come out1 >            as the price or performance leaders. * >TPC-C single system single DBMS instance.< >            Set of simple OLTP queries using any middleware, >            you like and a 3GL based client+ >            AlphaServers do this less welll >Oracle Apps/SAP SDs= >            Much more complex set of queries with no choices-< >            over middleware database architecture or client' >            AlphaServers do this badlya >l? >With SPECint being the simplest, and least good for predicting 9 >system performance and with Oracle Apps/SAP SD being thee> >best for predicting actual applications performance. So which9 >do you want a system that does really well on benchmarksa; >that are very poor predictors of the actual performance ofo7 >the bulk of the applications running on a system, or a A >system that does well running the actual applications themselvest >   7 Well, I've never seen you explain it this way before.   2 I think you just jump around to whatever benchmark7 you think can show that Suns make Alphas look badly on. 4 So, today, it's Oracle Apps/SAP SD.  One by one, the3 AlphaServers are catching up and knocking down the e' Sun benchmarks, maybe these are next...g  5 However, I think you are not correct above.  A lot ofn5 real world customers will want top performance out ofd9 their Oracle database server, even if it requires them to06 run OPS, in which case, AlphaServers are looking great8 and better all the time.  Certainly, overall Oracle Apps/ performance will benefit from excellent backends Oracle Server performance.  C >And in case you missed the point, the real issue is that some NUMA K >systems require much more tuning to get the same performance as equivalent O >UMA systems, but most of these performance tuning tricks are only available to G >you if you are running TPC-C, they are not available to you if you are$A >running SAP. For example because the applications vendor may not E >allow you to use something like OPS which was the basis of your NUMA  >TPC-C result. >D  A It's not nearly as one dimensional as you'd have us believe.  Not A everyone is running SAP.  Not many eBusiness systems run SAP, forHC example.  Many people (like the DOE) run systems that require high  C SpecFP, also.  There are broad classes of applications that Alphas t# are just going to win hands down.      >  >>9 >> As I said before, if there's some failing in the TPC-Cm9 >> benchmark, please, go argue it with the TPC, but leave : >> us alone.  We're tired of your shifting claims and your >> tireless spinning.  >> > 9 >There is, its well known and that was one of the reasonsV5 >why TPC-E was developed, sadly some vendors who willI9 >remain nameless did not want to have to spend more money 8 >to run TPC-E (it would have been more costly to run) it= >also would not necessarely have favoured fast but relativelyi( >unsophisticated DBMS's like SQL-Server. >   ; Hmmm... Microsoft doesn't represent a majority of the TPC. -9 If they had, their earlier TPC clustered numbers wouldn't  have been invalidated.  8 Sounds like more whining to me.  Now, Sun can't claim as: good Oracle DBMS performance so you suddenly say the tests are unfair.c   >>= >> >This is because most people either can't use OPS in a box.; >> >or won't for solid reasons to do with skills costs etc.h >> > >>: >> Gee.  I guess people who want world beating performance% >> can't be expected to pay for it...  >> >fA >But thats the whole point isn't it. The performance is not world @ >beating. Compaq are third behind Sun and IBM for single systems >TPC-C TPM.   ; You are the one who is insisting that we attempt to compare ; similar systems.  I guess I didn't specify up above (sorry)O; that what I meant was world beating Oracle performance, and  it is, undeniably that.E  : In fact, the Sun Oracle8i figures are anemic by comparison# and cost nearly twice as much tpmC!n  < >            Nor is it cheap the Sun for example is cheaper.E >So you are suggesting that people should spend more money on a GS320TK >to get slower performance and also end up with a system that at least froms< >a DBMS standpoint has a much much bigger TCO and which most' >applications vendors will not support.  >   = No, they will spend their money on GS320 to get faster Oraclei> DBMS performance, with a much better tpmC than Sun can provide
 on Oracle.   >Why should they bother ??  : Because they want to run Oracle and they require the best  performance?   >  >a >>? >> Of course, if customers want real low-cost price/performance ; >> wining DBMS performance that is relatively easy to fieldp8 >> and inexpensive to operate, then they might go with a; >> Wintel solution.  There are different prices to pay, but > >> these are the kinds of solutions for people who find Oracle" >> Parallel Server so frightening. >>6 >> Good thing that Compaq can help them out with this. >> > 3 >But not a good thing for OpenVMS customers !!!!!!!o >l  > Perhaps not, perhaps so.  Certainly, it's not a good thing for5 Sun customers !!!!!!!!!!  Compaq has made a long terma7 commitment to OpenVMS customers and still makes healthyt< profits from that market.  What's good for Compaq ultimately; may be what's good for OpenVMS and OpenVMS customers.  It'sl% certainly bad news for Sun customers.c    9 So, we've established that Compaq has a complete range ofi7 solutions.  Those with a tiny tpmC (1:5 vs. the big tpmh? record holders) for the broad majority of the computing market I8 that doesn't require a massive investment.  And, if your9 application requires top SpecINT/FP performance (science/e< modelling applications), you can go with high end systems.  ; And, if, you are like MOST DBMS customers, you want Oracle,r7 and you want the absolute best performance, you can gete that from Compaq also.     >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect >u >r >    -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.com:   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 13 Sep 00 10:57:46 GMTk From: jmfbahciv@aol.com>4 Subject: Re: Jupiter (was Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?)+ Message-ID: <8po1fv$m7a$2@bob.news.rcn.net>   0 In article <39BD6B9A.22B21A35@bellatlantic.net>,)    hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote:g >Eric Smith wrote: >> o* >> hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> writes:5 >> > Address path was 30bits - I won't get into that.b >> eC >> If it supported 30-bit physical addresses, I'd very much like too= >> know the details of the changes to the page table entries.   C >As Barb has said the software lagged the design, probably rather af >good thing too.    8 And I guess you don't understand that the software _has_8 to lag the hardware design.  It not a good or bad thing; it's just a fact of life.     5 >I do not recall the impact, I know we were focussingc >on Fortran first.  4 I know the Fortran people were getting talked to but5 that just a complete waste of time.  Until you get ant: operating system working that the Fortran compiler and OTS5 and run under, the language people might just as welld3 suck their thumbs.  Instead some were coding for a c2 ficticious Jupiter during their rewrite of FOROTS.. This was a practice that I did manage to stop.  ? I think the question had to do with how the addresses were laidj4 out by the hardware.  But I'm still munching on that9 explanation of 4-way associative cache so the probabilityb7 that I'm wrong is 98%.  I do know that the question had.6 nothing to do with user apps, which is what Fortran is compared to an OS.     /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.s   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 13 Sep 00 11:01:57 GMTl From: jmfbahciv@aol.com 4 Subject: Re: Jupiter (was Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?)+ Message-ID: <8po1nq$m7a$3@bob.news.rcn.net>.  0 In article <B5E3A85D.8BAF%gcs@s054.aone.net.au>,%    Mark nospam@garetech.com.au wrote:t= >in article qh7l8ik0e8.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com, Eric Smith ate< >eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com wrote on 12/09/2000 08:51: >s* >> hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> writes:4 >>> Address path was 30bits - I won't get into that. >>C >> If it supported 30-bit physical addresses, I'd very much like to-= >> know the details of the changes to the page table entries.o >>
 >> Cheers, >> Eric  >-	 >Hi Eric,-2 >   vir address 30 bits is not a problem all the   >pointers in memory had room3 >for 30 bits go look. At the phy lvl the core page : >pointer only has room for3 >27 bit phy with out modifying the old format bits   >18-22 in KL MBZ. TheeI >problem is how TOPS now deals with 4096 section pointers in UPT/EPT. XKL 5 >went for some method using "Super Section" pointers a >in UPT/EPT and a second/ >lvl of indirection ( I think not an XKL guru).   7 Then when did the effective address calculation happen?e7 Now I wish I'd paid more attention to what Jim did whens! he messed with extended sections.>   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.>   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 10:26:22 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>t Subject: Re: LAVC and securityH Message-ID: <y4og1s8zpt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:t  N > A PC would have to know the ethernet address of an accredited satellite hostH > in order to spoof it, right ? Is spoofing an ethernet address a viable > "hacking" technique ?p  	 Yes. Yes.n   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2000 12:43:03 GMTF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: Memory channel * Message-ID: <8pnson$iid@usenet.pa.dec.com>  ] In article <39BEDEE2.B18D9C9E@triton.com.no.spam>, Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam> writes:i >sE >I have a couple of old CCMAA Memory Channel adapters lying around. I D >would like to use them to build up a small cluster with some of theF >systems I have. Can anyone tell me which of the following Alphas will@ >support these boards, running either VMS (preferably) or Tru64:D >AlphaStation 200 4/233, AlphaServer 2000 4/275 (2 CPU), DS10, DS20?  ? You need to access the latest configuration information to findw? out if a particular system has been qualified for this adaptor,e? and it may differ between VMS and Tru64.  Personally, I usuallyt' find the "Golden Eggs" guides (start atlA http://www.compaq.com/info/golden-eggs/ ) to be the easiest place 	 to start.   D One thing I can tell you: if you want to run these in an AlphaServerC 2000 or 2100 you must have a backplane that is at a certain minimumlA rev. level.  To find out, get to the console prompt and issue theL following command:   examine -b econfig:20008 econfig:        20008 04                       ^^: If the value returned is 04 or greater, you can use memory: channel in that machine: if not, you would have to upgrade the backplane.  A Based on what I have available, I think it is very, very unlikely C that the adaptor will work in an AlphaStation 200.  It's not listed  as supported in the MC manual.   --  (  B. Z. 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 - Promotions!u  A **FREE with EVERY order, demo of ListMan e-mail manager software C@ to manage your e-mails list and Credit Helper E-book with Links  to Guaranteed Visa's and MC's!  B **Order 50,000 or more e-mails and receive Express Mail Server to  send your e-mails FREE!  s  ; -Send your e-mails safely bypassing your ISP's mail server! = -This is not a demo but a permanent license for the software!i  B **Order 100,000 or more e-mails and receive, CheckMAN software to A accept checks online, by phone, or fax, and InfoDisk  with 1000+ x. Money Making Reports. An $80 value yours FREE!> ______________________________________________________________B I received your e-mail as someone interested in Internet Business A Opportunities. If I received your e-mail in error, or you are no  = longer interested, please reply with "remove" in the subject.u= _____________________________________________________________a    p  r  m  e  t  d  h     c  d  b      ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2000 14:59:39 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog). Subject: Re: Off-Topic: DS10 Hardware question, Message-ID: <8po4or$gph@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <rdeininger-1009001409350001@user-2ivea3o.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:sZ >In article <srj76cbjljn31@corp.supernews.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote: >n >aM >> I have not seen any USB devices that I have any interest in that are loweroM >> cost than their equivalent that plugs into the more traditional interfacesl >> that are on the box.i >OI >It has been mentioned recently (by Hoff?) that support for USB keyboards M >and mice would allow multiple users per box.  Current hardware only supportsoH >one keyboard/mouse per hardware port, which generally means one of eachJ >per system.  For low-speed devices like these, the ability to daisy-chain! >USB allows a lot of flexibility.u  G Right now if you set up a beowulf (or VMS cluster, if you've got enougho9 $$$) with DS10s, and want to control them all through one I monitor/keyboard/mouse you need to buy an external serial switch box and  F wire 3N lines to the box (N * (mouse + keyboard + monitor)) and 3 moreL lines to the physical devices.  USB would be cleaner if it could be made to L work, since you could just daisy chain the USB ports and then plug in the 3 I devices.  The trick would be finding some way to set the machine that the I 3 external devices were talking to.  Don't know if that's possible.  But .K even if it comes down to a switch box again, you're still saving 2N on the  H number of cables required.  So I think that there is an application for  a functional USB.e   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edup? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech >   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:58:32 +0200r? From: "DECHAIZE Thierry (Dir INFRA)" <thierry.dechaize@sncf.fr>ID Subject: RE: OpenVMS and TCPIP version and support od "Dual path IP"@ Message-ID: <21EC2A9D83EED311A3EB0008C733892B1CE9C5@S70ERTBIA11>   	Thank's a lot ... 	My Network Engeener look this.d   -----Message d'origine-----s# De: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam =n& [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]# Date: mardi 12 septembre 2000 20:20i =C0: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComB Objet: Re: OpenVMS and TCPIP version and support od "Dual path IP"      B In article <21EC2A9D83EED311A3EB0008C733892B1CE9BF@S70ERTBIA11>, =	 "DECHAIZE 7 Thierry (Dir INFRA)" <thierry.dechaize@sncf.fr> writes:i  I   I'm not aware of a scheme with multiple identical IP addresses across =e  D   controllers on OpenVMS -- and if there's a good solution to this = problem,I   I haven't seen it.  The common "solution" used for this sort of thing =  is=20 D   NetRAIN, where an outboard widget provides (transparent) IP host =
 address=20   translations.0  E   The IP protocol itself really doesn't have a concept of a cluster =n builtoI   into it and assigns a unique address per each host controller, which=20OE   makes this all rather interesting to deal with.  DECnet straddles =r thisI   approach, with the DECnet Phase IV implementation having one address=20eB   for all controllers on the host, and DECnet-Plus having unique =
 addresses.'   (Either approach has its trade-offs.)a  E   With OpenVMS and recent TCP/IP Services, take a look at the Dynamic 4   DNS Load Balancing and at the Metric Server stuff:  &     http://www.openvms.compaq.com:80002       /72final/6526/6526profile_010.html#mtrc_serv  G   Failover within the same subnet can get interesting, but if you can =, use E   multiple subnets (one for each controller), then GateD or similar =t mightoG   be useful.  (Worst case, a little code that disables or enables the =  IP$   interfaces is obviously feasible.)  2  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------f3    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   =m hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2000 14:56:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)W Subject: Re: OpenVMS FAT tools (was Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft WindowsS6 Message-ID: <8po4ia$drs$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  g In article <39BED1C6.377D3B62@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:o ..L :> Does anyone know, if MGPCX or PCDISK does work with DOS ZIP-Drives, too ? :rI :To my knowledge, no - they have the diskette geomertries hard-coded intorA :them, and do not seem (to be able) to detect it from the device.a  I   There are several different FAT formats around, typically based on the tJ   total size of the disk and sometimes also apparently seemingly based on,I   um, engineering whimsy.  One FAT (FAT12) is used almost exclusively on bG   floppies, and a different FAT (FAT16) is used for ZIP disks and otheraE   small(er) fixed disks, and a yet different FAT (FAT32) is used for h(   large(r) disks (on certain platforms).  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 09:43:56 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)< Subject: Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows* Message-ID: <39bf303c$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ` In article <39bee341.52514451@swen.process.com>, goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) writes:] >On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:00:54 -0500, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  >>Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:M >>> Does anyone know, if MGPCX or PCDISK does work with DOS ZIP-Drives, too ?w >>J >>To my knowledge, no - they have the diskette geomertries hard-coded intoB >>them, and do not seem (to be able) to detect it from the device. >>  >>I could be wrong, of course... >>? >No, you're right, neither supports anything but floppy drives.fD >Supporting larger disks was something I've wanted to look into, but, >there are only so many hours in the day....  H If MGPCX is freeware, you could delegate the work (no, still not me) ;-)   -- t< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888o< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:37:04 GMTe& From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)< Subject: Re: OpenVMS filesystem reader for MicroSoft Windows1 Message-ID: <39bf49b5.587994551@news.newsguy.com>e  @ On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 02:19:32 GMT, goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) wrote:r  8 >On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:00:54 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"% ><djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:s >  >>Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:M >>> Does anyone know, if MGPCX or PCDISK does work with DOS ZIP-Drives, too ?r >>J >>To my knowledge, no - they have the diskette geomertries hard-coded intoB >>them, and do not seem (to be able) to detect it from the device. >>  >>I could be wrong, of course... >>? >No, you're right, neither supports anything but floppy drives. D >Supporting larger disks was something I've wanted to look into, but, >there are only so many hours in the day....  D Well PCDISK also supports "DOS Virtual disks" and PCSA disk services@ but for genuine devices you are correct in that it only supports3 1.2MB, 1.44MB, 2.88MB and 720KB acclording to HELP.f  @ I recall that students used to hide files inside .DSK containers= (amongst other things) to make it harder for us to find them.d   >Hunterz >------e: >Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/; >goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/o   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:02:44 -0400 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>Y Subject: OT: ... RE: re**3: Barrel rolls,was Re: aircraft are not Sun (no	w rolling subs)LK Message-ID: <D7E0F3C94377D311A24A00805F19D0EE52A711@MBCALBEXC04.BENDER.COM>.   > -----Original Message-----& > From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk) > [mailto:Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk] . > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:13 AM > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.como@ > Subject: Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun > ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazat .  .b .d< > over whether a sub would survive the equivalent of a roll  > under water. v  5 Yes.  I know of a large nuke sub (LA class) that did.t   :) jck     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:13:18 GMTl From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.ukt: Subject: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation0 Message-ID: <39bf526d.7626075@usenet.force9.net>   Hi,a  : I am having problems reading some of the web-based openvms< documentation.  Many of the pages are truncated (ie. The end? of the pages are missing).  We have tried through two differente# ISP's with exactly the same result.o   For example the page< http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/72final/6136/6136pro.html   ends like this   "<p>E If you need help deciding which documentation best meets your needs, r  call 800-DIGITAL (800-344-4825).  . <h2><font color=maroon>Conventions</font></h2>   <p>lC VMScluster systems are now referred to as OpenVMS Cluster systems. k, Unless otherwise specified, references to O"  $ Is anyone else getting this problem?   TIAh  
 Mark Williams- http://www.techop.co.uks   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2000 11:15:06 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)m> Subject: Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation0 Message-ID: <8pnnjq$330$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  P In article <39bf526d.7626075@usenet.force9.net>, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk writes:; >I am having problems reading some of the web-based openvms:= >documentation.  Many of the pages are truncated (ie. The end2@ >of the pages are missing).  We have tried through two different$ >ISP's with exactly the same result. >  >For example the pageD= >http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/72final/6136/6136pro.htmln >t >ends like thisx >t >"<p>rF >If you need help deciding which documentation best meets your needs, ! >call 800-DIGITAL (800-344-4825).g >o/ ><h2><font color=maroon>Conventions</font></h2>l ># ><p>D >VMScluster systems are now referred to as OpenVMS Cluster systems. - >Unless otherwise specified, references to O"s >/% >Is anyone else getting this problem?a   Not me here in Germany.fG But instead of changing the ISP, what about changing the browser or the / computer platform where the browser is running?T   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanne  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2000 15:19:42 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation6 Message-ID: <8po5ue$e3f$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  P In article <39bf526d.7626075@usenet.force9.net>, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk writes:; :I am having problems reading some of the web-based openvmsk= :documentation.  Many of the pages are truncated (ie. The enda@ :of the pages are missing).  We have tried through two different$ :ISP's with exactly the same result.  F   Are you sure this is the ISP and not something of an incompatibilityI   with the particular web browser?  The golden age of HTML compatibility nH   is past, and it is a never-ending struggle to keep web pages (mostly) 4   visible across the widest variety of web browsers.  G   What happens if you access the documentation locally?  (Do you have ar)   documentation CD-ROM available to you?)T  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:12:47 GMTi- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> > Subject: Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation( Message-ID: <39BF996B.2D1DD80F@ohio.edu>  H My first line of attack on this would be to discard the browser's cache, and then reload the page.e                   RDPl     mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote:   > Hi,r >s< > I am having problems reading some of the web-based openvms> > documentation.  Many of the pages are truncated (ie. The endA > of the pages are missing).  We have tried through two different,% > ISP's with exactly the same result.m >y > For example the page> > http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/72final/6136/6136pro.html >r > ends like this >h > "<p>F > If you need help deciding which documentation best meets your needs," > call 800-DIGITAL (800-344-4825). >/0 > <h2><font color=maroon>Conventions</font></h2> >- > <p>-D > VMScluster systems are now referred to as OpenVMS Cluster systems.. > Unless otherwise specified, references to O" >n& > Is anyone else getting this problem? >p > TIA1 >2 > Mark Williams" > http://www.techop.co.ukD   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:41:44 -0500G) From: Mike Drabicky <drabicky#dallas.net>7> Subject: Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation8 Message-ID: <dtevrsgd3mpl5b7amsuijpe725i5kjk3uh@4ax.com>  @ On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:13:18 GMT, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote:; >I am having problems reading some of the web-based openvms(= >documentation.  Many of the pages are truncated (ie. The endg@ >of the pages are missing).  We have tried through two different$ >ISP's with exactly the same result. >- >For example the page1= >http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/72final/6136/6136pro.htmls >O   Mark,s  D Just tried it on IE V5.5, IE V5.01 and IE V5.0: all worked perfectlyA fine. Opearting environments were Win98SE, WinME and Win2000 Pro.tC Tried it under RedHat Linux for Alpha V6.2 using Netscape V4.83 (or - something like that) and it was fine as well.p  D Check your PC's browser: if you're using IE, try Netscape. If you'reA using IE V.old, try IE V.new. If that doesn't work, try Opera. Ite1 really sounds like a local browser problem to me.   
 Mike Drabicky    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:25:48 +0100w/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> : Subject: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun7 Message-ID: <009F00F5.7255CB4A.21@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>k   > j > In article <009F0039.8E62DD03.6@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes: > O > > What's really tricky is that the control stick movements needed to maintaineI > > inverted flight are the opposite of what are normal. Imagine riding akO > > bicycle fixed so that mooving the handlebars to the left cause it to steer E > > to the right.  > 7 > Oh, you mean like using a tiller instead of a wheel ?y > " > Sailors adapt.  Aviators should. > H The tricky bit is that it changes from the one to the other as the planeE turns over. I believe that sailors have quite different concerns when  their boat inverts :-)   (Sorry, it was irresistable) g   	Yours,n
 		Nigel Arnots- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   _  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."n   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 08:29:52 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)l> Subject: Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun+ Message-ID: <2sR9wO4$JvVE@eisner.decus.org>m  i In article <009F00F5.7255CB4A.21@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:m >> hk >> In article <009F0039.8E62DD03.6@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:$ >> aP >> > What's really tricky is that the control stick movements needed to maintainJ >> > inverted flight are the opposite of what are normal. Imagine riding aP >> > bicycle fixed so that mooving the handlebars to the left cause it to steer  >> > to the right. v >>  8 >> Oh, you mean like using a tiller instead of a wheel ? >> o# >> Sailors adapt.  Aviators should.p >> iJ > The tricky bit is that it changes from the one to the other as the planeG > turns over. I believe that sailors have quite different concerns whenm > their boat inverts :-)  G Yes.  While the boat is inverted, the control surfaces are ineffective,dE with both the sails and the rudder being surrounded by the medium fore which the other was designed.t  E In the case of the rudder, this wrong-medium problem could be avoidedsD just by building boats that do not float when inverted, but a recentC poll of sailors has found little market acceptance for changing they' traditional designs in this regard. :-)b   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 09:29:48 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)> Subject: Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun+ Message-ID: <hDsQ8PUV0TmD@eisner.decus.org>g  i In article <009F00F5.7255CB4A.21@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:r  J > The tricky bit is that it changes from the one to the other as the planeG > turns over. I believe that sailors have quite different concerns whenq > their boat inverts :-)  E    The tricky bit is that from the pilots inverted point of view the gA    behaviour of the yoke (pitch and roll) appears normal but the t9    behaviour of the rudder pedals (yaw) appears reversed.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:12:41 +0000r$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk> Subject: Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun/ Message-ID: <00256959.004DCDAB.00@quegw01.btyp>2  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazal    I I believe most lifeboats and similar have self-righting mechanisms now ton alleviate this problem.z  L I recall from my time in subs that there were discussions over whether a subN would survive the equivalent of a roll under water. As far as I know, this has= never been tested in a 'live' boat... at least not in the RN.    ;^DZ   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesr        M Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) on 13/09/2000 01:29:52 PM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) L From:      Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen), 13 September            2000, 1:29 p.m.  5 Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun         C In article <009F00F5.7255CB4A.21@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot % <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:i >>E >> In article <009F0039.8E62DD03.6@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnotr% <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:  >>P >> > What's really tricky is that the control stick movements needed to maintainJ >> > inverted flight are the opposite of what are normal. Imagine riding aO >> > bicycle fixed so that mooving the handlebars to the left cause it to steern >> > to the right. >>8 >> Oh, you mean like using a tiller instead of a wheel ? >># >> Sailors adapt.  Aviators should.v >>J > The tricky bit is that it changes from the one to the other as the planeG > turns over. I believe that sailors have quite different concerns when  > their boat inverts :-)  G Yes.  While the boat is inverted, the control surfaces are ineffective,cE with both the sails and the rudder being surrounded by the medium for  which the other was designed.-  E In the case of the rudder, this wrong-medium problem could be avoided D just by building boats that do not float when inverted, but a recentC poll of sailors has found little market acceptance for changing the5' traditional designs in this regard. :-)s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:21:43 GMTy- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> > Subject: Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun( Message-ID: <39BF9B83.82D61BB0@ohio.edu>  P My understanding is that traditional submarine design does bouyancy control withR "ballast tanks" that are open to the surrounding sea at the bottom and have valvesS at the top.  When compressed air is released into the tank, it rises to the top and O displaces water ("blowing the tank") which is forced out the open bottom orifi.lN (This is difficult when the submarine is resting on a muddy bottom.)  When theS valves at the top of the ballast tanks are opened, the air is released (bubbling ton9 the surface) and water comes in the bottom to replace it.   O Rolling a submarine over to an inverted position would therefore be expected tofQ release all of the air in the ballast tanks, producing maximum negative bouyancy. Q Recovery would require prompt blowing of the tanks afterwards, to restore neutralnO or positive bouyancy.  Depending on the depth, design, and loading of the boat, . that might require more air than is available.                   RDP     % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:M  ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazaa >cK > I believe most lifeboats and similar have self-righting mechanisms now toe > alleviate this problem.  >0N > I recall from my time in subs that there were discussions over whether a subP > would survive the equivalent of a roll under water. As far as I know, this has? > never been tested in a 'live' boat... at least not in the RN.i >t > ;^De >i > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow Pagest >eO > Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) on 13/09/2000 01:29:52 PMi >," > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)iN > From:      Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen), 13 September >            2000, 1:29 p.m. > 7 > Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not SunE >NE > In article <009F00F5.7255CB4A.21@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnoty' > <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:B > >>G > >> In article <009F0039.8E62DD03.6@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnotn' > <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:4 > >>R > >> > What's really tricky is that the control stick movements needed to maintainL > >> > inverted flight are the opposite of what are normal. Imagine riding aQ > >> > bicycle fixed so that mooving the handlebars to the left cause it to steer@ > >> > to the right. > >>: > >> Oh, you mean like using a tiller instead of a wheel ? > >>% > >> Sailors adapt.  Aviators should.c > >>L > > The tricky bit is that it changes from the one to the other as the planeI > > turns over. I believe that sailors have quite different concerns whens > > their boat inverts :-) > I > Yes.  While the boat is inverted, the control surfaces are ineffective,eG > with both the sails and the rudder being surrounded by the medium for  > which the other was designed.e >nG > In the case of the rudder, this wrong-medium problem could be avoided>F > just by building boats that do not float when inverted, but a recentE > poll of sailors has found little market acceptance for changing theg) > traditional designs in this regard. :-)o   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 14:12:18 -0500 From: briggs@eisner.decus.org > Subject: Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun+ Message-ID: <XlgEmS7cv1VM@eisner.decus.org>o  Z In article <hDsQ8PUV0TmD@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:k > In article <009F00F5.7255CB4A.21@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes:l > K >> The tricky bit is that it changes from the one to the other as the plane1H >> turns over. I believe that sailors have quite different concerns when >> their boat inverts :-)s > G >    The tricky bit is that from the pilots inverted point of view the sC >    behaviour of the yoke (pitch and roll) appears normal but the j; >    behaviour of the rudder pedals (yaw) appears reversed.   : I don't think this is the case.  But then I'm not a pilot.  F While upright, I'd think that to turn right, you'd roll right, pull up6 slightly and yaw right to maintain coordinated flight.  G Inverted, to turn right you'd want to roll "left" and push "down".  AndaB I think that calls for the injection of some right yaw to maintain coordinated flight.h   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:46:55 -0400i* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>> Subject: Re: re**3: Barrel rolls, was Re: aircraft are not Sun- Message-ID: <39BFAF7F.487EBE14@tsoft-inc.com>    Nigel Arnot wrote: >  > >rl > > In article <009F0039.8E62DD03.6@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>, Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> writes: > >/Q > > > What's really tricky is that the control stick movements needed to maintainoK > > > inverted flight are the opposite of what are normal. Imagine riding aoP > > > bicycle fixed so that mooving the handlebars to the left cause it to steer > > > to the right.t > >k9 > > Oh, you mean like using a tiller instead of a wheel ?  > >g$ > > Sailors adapt.  Aviators should. > >mJ > The tricky bit is that it changes from the one to the other as the planeG > turns over. I believe that sailors have quite different concerns whenm > their boat inverts :-) >  > (Sorry, it was irresistable) >  >         Yours, >                 Nigel Arnot * >                 NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK > G >                 "In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."   P No, you are addressing this from the perspective of the observer, not the pilot.  J When inverted, if you pull back on the stick, the nose will rise, from theO pilot's perspective.  Not too good, since the hard stuff is in that direction. iN The pilot sees the hard stuff as being 'above' him, and to avoid it, will pushN the stick forward.  Likewise, if inverted, and wanting to roll in a direction,> say to the left, the stick still is moved to the pilot's left.  P Remote control model airplanes now, are a different story.  I completely smashed the only one I ever flew.p   Dave   -- n4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:15:45 GMT- From: richard_maher@my-deja.coms Subject: Re: RTR and DECdtm-) Message-ID: <8pnd36$sro$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D I haven't been able to post or mail anything to this newsgroup sinceB RemarQ was boarded. (Hurrah! I here you say :-) Anyway this is theB fourth attempt (the second without attachments) Sorry if anyone isC actually getting all of them. Anyway, Alan I got your mail and will+ reply soon.-     Hi Alan,  F Good to see that your alive and well. Sad to see that you're no longerF on DECdtm and even sadder that you're not on VMS! Still, it seems I'veB managed to assemble a TIP development team and I won't even charge Compaq agency fees :-)  G I know you think that I'm wasting my time as we've all done in the pastoE but I *can't* leave VMS and I know that nothing will do more to shoret< up the existing client base than TIP, let alone allow VMS toD participate in a mainstream future. What's more, I don't know of anyA reason/excuse for not upgrading DECdtm that hasn't been debunked.i  F The last refuge of the nay sayers is the ubiquitous "But where are theE customers?" So I have tried to get customers used to passing TIP URLswG around by providing examples of the DECdtm system services passing TIDs F and BIDs around. I appologize to the news group for what appears to beC a dog's breakfast and not a workable example but with the demise of-F RemqarQ and now that I've found mail access I will attach the examples for anyone who's interested.  C If your a customer then please get in touch with Compaq support and G tell them that you'd like to be able to update a SQL Server database on@D W2K in the same 2PC as an Rdb database on VMS. (Regardless of ACMSxp
 obviously)   Regards Richard Maher.  F The first attachment propagates a DECdtm txn to a subprocess. The nextC two attachments deal with propogating a txn over DECnet to a remotea/ node. All examples use Rdb and are quite small.m  F These are *working* examples. Just change the nodename where necessaryF and @ the command files. Even if you're not into DECdtm. Pass the codeB on. There's alot of interesting stuff in there like unidirectional mailboxes etc.  / In article <8p8qqh$do3$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>,t0   "Alan Potter" <alan_potter@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Richard" wrote...% > > Whatever happened to Alan Potter?e >t< > Still around, Richard - but not working on VMS any more... >/
 > regards, > /alana >n >n    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:01:05 +0200e* From: Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>6 Subject: Re: Searching for DECnet-Plus Source Listings7 Message-ID: <968832063.793232@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>=   Hoff Hoffman wrote:= > f > In article <968740652.324389@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>, Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes:7 > :...I'm looking for source listings of DECnet-plus...h > ? >   I don't believe that listings of DECnet-Plus are available.- > @ > :mainly those about the EMAA interface (NET$PROCESS_EMAA.EXE). > F >   What particular problem(s) are you looking to solve here?  HookingA >   something into NCL and the entity management agent interface?a  E Yes, that's it. As mentioned in previous posts, I have to communicate:F with a process holding a volatile database consisting of entities of aA particular type - like NET$MOP and its MOP CIRCUIT and MOP CLIENTeH entities. Instead of coding my own command interface, I hoped to use NCLH to CREATE and ENABLE these entities. NCL has a common syntax, is able toH communicate with remote nodes in a secure way (proxies), can run scriptsG and has powerful output facilities. For debugging purposes, it can alsonC trigger which commands it got and which output sent. So, instead of @ re-event the wheel, I hoped to use NCL and some otherwise unusedH entities (there are over 250 but only about 30 are used with DECnet-Plus on VMS).  H Once started, my process should declare itself as "responsible" for thisD particular entity and then wait for commands sent by NCL. During theE startup, a NCL script will run which creates and starts this entities > (to be exactly, a set of TCP/IP connections to remote hosts).   G Antonio Carlini (arcarlini@iee.org), who is, IIRC, one of the designers.H of DECnet-Plus, posted somewhat about source listings, so I looked on myE CDs (OpenVMS V7.1, VAX and Alpha) for DECnet-Plus listings, but foundeE only DECnet Phase IV. This was the reason I posted the question here.e   ( > :Any other ways to get these listings? > A >   Working with OpenVMS Product Management, (potentially) yes...a  C What does this mean? How to "work with OpenVMS Product Management"?g  < BTW: what is the reason of burning the source listings of an< obsolete-since-VMS-V62-product instead of a newer and better" product-of-those-days on a 7.1 CD?   Kind greetings, Ferryu -- v Ing. Ferry Bolhar-Nordenkampf  Municipality of Vienna Municipality Department 14
 A-1010 Viennat E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.atn  : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:30:33 GMT-( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>6 Subject: Re: Searching for DECnet-Plus Source Listings' Message-ID: <G0tMIx.2uI@spcuna.spc.edu>   , Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes:> > BTW: what is the reason of burning the source listings of an> > obsolete-since-VMS-V62-product instead of a newer and better$ > product-of-those-days on a 7.1 CD?  H   Well, if you consider all the DEC and Compaq pressure on customers to H migrate to DECnet-Plus as a reverse psychology maneuver to get customers) to stay with Phase IV, it makes sense 8-)>  H   Seriously, don't remove the Phase IV listings - if Compaq wants to addH -Plus listings, that's fine, but keep Phase IV. If they're adding stuff,G I bet some customers would be interested in the DEC TCP/UCX listings asaF well, even if it was just the device drivers and not the applications.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAs   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 08:24:30 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)f6 Subject: Re: Searching for DECnet-Plus Source Listings+ Message-ID: <ThBLLpLY7yw6@eisner.decus.org>   d In article <968832063.793232@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>, Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes:  > > obsolete-since-VMS-V62-product instead of a newer and better$ > product-of-those-days on a 7.1 CD?  	 Be quiet.h Do not give them ideas.n6 Some of us still use old DECnet and like the listings.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:11:20 +0800e From: SSD <ssd@neuroweb.com> Subject: Spamming Incident< Message-ID: <01db01c01d6a$f7352cd0$7ef0a8c0@neuronet.com.my>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_01D8_01C01DAE.04EA68C0r Content-Type: text/plain;i 	charset="iso-8859-1"t+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printabler   Dear Sir and Madam,s  & RE: autoply@ethos.st Spamming incident  3 ---------------------------------------------------t  J We have been notified that the above account has been utilized in a mail =F spam operation.  We regret that such incident occurred.  Operating a =H free mail service is bound to have such abuse in one way or the other, =I and all we could do is to try our best to prevent it from happening yet =30 resume our free mail service for majority users.  5 The above account has been removed and contained. =20   J In conclusion, we would like to thank the individuals who took the extra =F step to report this incident, and we apologize for any inconvenience = caused to all parties involved.    =20   
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 users.</P>= <P class=3DMsoNormal>The above account has been removed and =n contained.<SPAN=20. style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN></P>@ <P class=3DMsoNormal>In conclusion, we would like to thank the = individuals who=20H took the extra step to report this incident, and we apologize for any=201 inconvenience caused to all parties involved.</P>cA <P class=3DMsoNormal>&nbsp;<?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D=20e; "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></P>c& <P class=3DMsoNormal>Best Regards,</P>3 <P class=3DMsoNormal>Customers Service Division</P>-! <P class=3DMsoNormal>Neuroweb</P>1 <P class=3DMsoNormal><A=20J href=3D"mailto:csd@neuroweb.com">csd@neuroweb.com</A></P></FONT></DIV></B= ODY></HTML>n  - ------=_NextPart_000_01D8_01C01DAE.04EA68C0--    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:58:38 +1200o4 From: "Mike Tock" <hiding_me@don't_spam.hotmail.com> Subject: strange FTP happeningsv* Message-ID: <8pnis2$fas$1@news.ihug.co.nz>   Hi All  K At work we run VMS 7.1-1H2 with UCX version 4.2 ECO 2, and VMS 6.2-1H3 withiK UCX 4.2 ECO 4. Now on both of these platforms when ftp'ing ascii files oversK 250Kb to the systems with reflection4 ftp client on win 95 and the straightsL windows command prompt FTP. I get a 550-%RMS file to large for users buffer.  J Now if I transfer the same file from NT or UNIX to the same hosts it worksJ fine. The odd thing is I can transfer the files using binary but of courseL they get screwed up, i can transfer the file from the hosts to anything elseI without problem. Anybody come across this before and if so is it fixable.p   Cheers   Mike T   ------------------------------  / Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:24:15 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist6 Message-ID: <200009130620.IAA23254@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  M Andrew, we do have also an AlphaServer 8200. It was installed by DEC techies.sJ They did not say anything about temperature and humidity. Our ground floorI and all powercabel are protected against electostatic. One day our coolersJ failed and the temperature growth up to 45C for more then 48 hours (it wasF weekend, thats usaly). Nothing happens with the A8200. It did work andI work and work, like a VW (if you know what that is). There was no problem E with this powerfull system till today and I believe, that it will runc& until we shutdown them in a few years.E What's happen with the Ultra60 and Ultra450? We would like to know it3D also. Both system break down without any reason message. There whereD no viewable event before breakdown. Sun did change CPU's and mother-3 boards (only by the U60). It was a repair by doing.wJ To be fair, we did have a few weeks ago a problem with an AlphaServer4100.H It was a fan problem on the primary CPU. But there where lights, so thatG Compaq and we did know what the problem is. The Compaq techi said, thatdF there are a few A4100 out with not so good fans and did change all CPU9 fans regardless the where running or not. That's service.tG Also did we see a design problem with the PCI in your Suns. One adapter E was not correctly installed. The result was an destroyed motherboard.SC On an A4100 we did have a shortcut on an adapter (there was a metal C clip fall on the board). We found this problem after a few power upiE and down. We removed the shortcut and the adapter and the motherboardv1 works without any problem. That's a good design!!h   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 08:27:04 +0000 (UTC)o' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> 6 Subject: Tips to use VAX/VMS (was: CHARON-VAX images?), Message-ID: <8pndoo$jve$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  + David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:o > ...  I've got a 72 MHzL > N-VAX system that beats a 233 MHz Alpha system at string operations.  Then there M > are the VAX products that have not made it to Alpha.  Many reasons to keep P a VAX  > around...   I For example VAX is good as small reliable server (www, mail etc.). I have C a feeling that Alpha's are not so reliable. That may be because we  F have more options to choose hardware and software components (which isA good thing) but we may happen to choose crappy PC parts or crappyR	 software.a  J Here comes some more thoughts how to use VAX/VMS. Add to list if you like.  E - MicroVAX with serial line "Harmonica" can be used as console systemcC   for small Beowulf cluster or with freeware SSH software as securee#   terminal server (up to 12 lines).@  E - Install Charon-VAX to Windoze laptop and there you have VMS laptop.f  D - Take PC with large RAM, Windows something, Charon-VAX and VAX-VMS.B   Delete unnecessary parts of Windows and put all software to RAM.&   (Some little details left away here)I   Throw away disks and all noisy devices. Trim down MHz if necessary etc.nF   Now you have a very good Network Computer, or something like SUNRay,   if booted to cluster.   E - Change previous tip so that instead of using Windoze and Charon-VAXhA   use Transmeta Crusoe processor which has been programmed to runy   VAX instructions.n   regardsn         Osmo Kujalat   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:48:21 +0100  From: "PW" <p.waldren@bt.com> ( Subject: VMS 7.1 and ACE (securid) Agent6 Message-ID: <8pnisj$ktf$1@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>  K Does anyone have any experience of running the ACE Agent/Client (also knownn as ACM 5100) on VMS?  ! We are having some difficulties!!a   Cheers,    P.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 08:34:01 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)k, Subject: Re: VMS 7.1 and ACE (securid) Agent+ Message-ID: <ivaSMyUH6jmp@eisner.decus.org>h  V In article <8pnisj$ktf$1@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk>, "PW" <p.waldren@bt.com> writes:M > Does anyone have any experience of running the ACE Agent/Client (also known  > as ACM 5100) on VMS?  8 Yes, but perhaps not on the version you cite.  I forget.  # > We are having some difficulties!!e  8 Typically it is better if you describe the difficulties.  I I presume you have read the DEC documentation explaining that LGI-calloutnF clients such as ACM 5100 will not work on a machine that is also usingG Pathworks external authentication.  They have promised to fix it in theo( future, but thus far have not delivered.  L If your problem is with network connections, make sure you have NET_CALLOUTS set to 255.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:17:52 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)b; Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharinge0 Message-ID: <009F00D2.CFBBF544@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <39BED894.AE13C017@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  >wE >For (A)DSL and/or cable modems, see MacSense's Xrouter. It even doesoE >PPPoE (PPP over Ethernet) so your ISP thinks you're still logging inr >from a Wintel box.w  E Why would anyone want to look like they're running a PeeCee when theypE are not?  Just another bend over and spread your cheeks, Micro$oft is  taking over tactic?e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            tO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:45:56 GMTs& From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig); Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharingp1 Message-ID: <39bf5a26.592202732@news.newsguy.com>Q  @ On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:25:56 GMT, StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) wrote:d    F >This is my plan as soon as I get the time to rebuild my computer roomG >in the basement. (Had to move out of the spare bedroom to make way for $ >a December addition to the family).  E That'll be a nice bouncing VAX 11/780  I guess. Well worth vacating aS bedroom for :-)    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:19:18 +0100:< From: "Graham Harrison" <graham.harrison@cheshdatasys.co.uk>; Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharingh2 Message-ID: <8pnr8q$hh7$1@starburst.uk.insnet.net>  K I've had my DEC-3000 working both through a product call WinRoute (found ons Download.Com) when I used G win-98, and now that I've upgraded to Windows 2000 - I use the Internet  Connection Sharing (ICS).r  J Window 2000 (and I guess Win98SE, but I've not tried it), dish out through DHCP 198.162.0.nK There doesn't seem to be a way of telling it there are machines with statics IP address out there, but.J Windows DHCP's address from around 70 (ie 198.162.0.70) I think, so here's
 how I did it.e  D Configure TCPIP/UCX/whatever to have a static IP of 198.162.0.numberF where number is not 1 (as thats the Win2K box) but as low as possible.7 I used 2 for the Alpha, and put my printers on 3 and 4.   & Set the default gateway to 198.162.0.1  ! Set the DNS server as 198.162.0.1    Restart TCPIP.  D Now whenever the internet connection is live, VMS box should have no problems getting out.   	 Have Fun.e     Cheers,  Graham --   Graham Harrisonh# OpenVMS / Networks Systems Engineerp Cheshire DataSystems Ltd.o  : "All options stated here, are mine and not the compaines."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:25:53 GMT # From: Tom Dockray <dockray@acm.org>r; Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharingt8 Message-ID: <cscvrscfspn9ge2n9693da4lcc48qittre@4ax.com>  @ On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 01:25:56 GMT, StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) wrote:c  G >I don't know if this will work or not, but a simpler way may be to gettF >a DSL router.  I use a LinkSys BEFSR41 w/ built in 4 port switch, butC >they have 1 port units that you could connect to your current hub. > >There are several models for <$200.  They do NAT for outgoing; >connections and will forward ports to different servers.  w  ( It'll work. I have this identical setup.  ; I'm no TCP/IP expert, so I don't really know what the idealvF configuration would be. I set the name server on my VMS box (Vinny) to? the IP address displayed on the LinkSys (Linky) status page andaC defined a default route that pointed to Linky as the gateway. I can F now enter a command like the following (probably unwise) from a telnet" session on Vinny and have it work:  @ COPY/FTP isp.host.name"user pswd"::"public_html/web_page.html" -	 	My_Work:i   -- o Tom Dockrayo Dockray Consulting 610-356-0624 dockray@acm.orge   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 10:09:56 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)( Subject: Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer+ Message-ID: <vyzzAfu5JJ9i@eisner.decus.org>i  W In article <39be92e9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:eB > I have followed the instructions (to the best of my knowlege) at > E > 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/pdf_viewer.html, > N > to install the ADOBE Acrobat Viewer on my Alpha (V7.2-1, JAVA V1.1.8-5, ...)H > I can run InstallAnywhere and it produces the .JAR files, but startingJ > the viewer (with or without a PDF File parameter) always leads to a hang > (of the process).0 >   H    Check the file attributes of all the jar and zip files involved.  TheG    java kits currently cannot deal with anything other than sequential, F    stream-lf, carriage return carriage control; perhaps only stream-lf>    is critical.  If you downloaded these files in binary, use   ,       set file/attributes=(rat:cr,rfm:stmlf)      to fix them.a  G > PS: This is my first JAVA program on VMS, but hopefully not the last.t6 > How many JAVA programs do you know does run on VMS ?( > How many of them use InstallAnywhere ?  F    I've been running a few Java programs on VMS and developing heavilyI    in Java.  The latest supported and beta releases of the VMS JDK suffer F    from what appear to be limitations in the C++ RTL understanding of ;    ODS-5, the stream-lf need, and other file system issues.n  M    Comparing this with jvc under Windows, (what good are error messages with nG    line numbers when the editor doesn't have a goto-line command?), thenG    MacOS JDK, and the Tru64 JDK, I'll keep using VMS.  Some day I gotta L    try an IDE like all my friends use, but I probably won't like the editor.  D    Never tried InstallAnywhere, but I'm going to try that PDF viewerG    real soon.  Internally we're distributing .zip files of our classes,1E    with supporting .com, ksh, .bat, or resource files as appropriate.a   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Sep 2000 16:01:16 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer* Message-ID: <39bf88ac$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Z In article <vyzzAfu5JJ9i@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:X >In article <39be92e9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:C >> I have followed the instructions (to the best of my knowlege) at  >> PF >> 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/pdf_viewer.html >> gO >> to install the ADOBE Acrobat Viewer on my Alpha (V7.2-1, JAVA V1.1.8-5, ...)eI >> I can run InstallAnywhere and it produces the .JAR files, but starting/K >> the viewer (with or without a PDF File parameter) always leads to a hangp >> (of the process). >eI >   Check the file attributes of all the jar and zip files involved.  TheyH >   java kits currently cannot deal with anything other than sequential,G >   stream-lf, carriage return carriage control; perhaps only stream-lfu? >   is critical.  If you downloaded these files in binary, use   >B- >      set file/attributes=(rat:cr,rfm:stmlf)8 >6 >   to fix them.  6 Thanks for responding, but that was a too easy one ;-)  J The .ZIP file I downloaded had of course wrong file attributes and I fixedK them (just like the doc said). And after this I could use JAVA to "install"oG the kit, thus producing the .JAR file and the two .PDF files. This .JAR-E files has the correct file attributes (as JAVA creates it with them).oD And JAVA does accept this .JAR files also, because it loads a lot ofA classes from it and hangs after some other (sun/awt/motif) class.E So, sorry, no cigar.  H >> PS: This is my first JAVA program on VMS, but hopefully not the last.7 >> How many JAVA programs do you know does run on VMS ? ) >> How many of them use InstallAnywhere ?. >SG >   I've been running a few Java programs on VMS and developing heavily J >   in Java.  The latest supported and beta releases of the VMS JDK sufferG >   from what appear to be limitations in the C++ RTL understanding of  < >   ODS-5, the stream-lf need, and other file system issues.  / Are there some JAVA tools you could recommend ?t  N >   Comparing this with jvc under Windows, (what good are error messages with H >   line numbers when the editor doesn't have a goto-line command?), theH >   MacOS JDK, and the Tru64 JDK, I'll keep using VMS.  Some day I gottaM >   try an IDE like all my friends use, but I probably won't like the editor.a >eE >   Never tried InstallAnywhere, but I'm going to try that PDF viewer H >   real soon.  Internally we're distributing .zip files of our classes,F >   with supporting .com, ksh, .bat, or resource files as appropriate.  	 Good lucko   -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888=< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Sep 2000 15:13:15 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)( Subject: Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer, Message-ID: <8po5ib$gph@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  Z In article <vyzzAfu5JJ9i@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:X >In article <39be92e9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:C >> I have followed the instructions (to the best of my knowlege) atu >>  F >> 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/pdf_viewer.html >> nO >> to install the ADOBE Acrobat Viewer on my Alpha (V7.2-1, JAVA V1.1.8-5, ...)/I >> I can run InstallAnywhere and it produces the .JAR files, but startingeK >> the viewer (with or without a PDF File parameter) always leads to a hangm >> (of the process).  K The Java PDF viewer is a resource hog of epic proportions.  I gave up on itsI and use XPDF instead.   With T1LIB installed that even does rotated text  	 properly.P   <SNIP>N >   Comparing this with jvc under Windows, (what good are error messages with H >   line numbers when the editor doesn't have a goto-line command?), theH >   MacOS JDK, and the Tru64 JDK, I'll keep using VMS.  Some day I gottaM >   try an IDE like all my friends use, but I probably won't like the editor.e  G All the editors that I know of provide some way to jump to a particulareH line number.   The GUI debugger, on the other hand, could definitely useK some work related to this.  The lack of a text "find" function when viewingaG source code is a big minus - for a large enough module it can be a pain$E locating the line in the debugger window that you're working on in ansH editor.  (For instance, so that a break point can be set there.)   Even I better would be if it could "find variable" or "find function".  Ie, you iK know something is going wrong with one or the other, and don't want to SET  L WATCH through the code, just find each instance where it is used.  For long H names a text editor or SEARCH works ok, but if the variable is named "i"K the editor isn't much use.  I assume that the debugger has access to enoughsH information to let it find every line that accessess a particular memory1 location, and so it could find the variable "i". h   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.513 ************************