1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 14 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 515       Contents: Re: 164LX and VMS  Re: 164LX and VMS  2 questions s'il vous plait  Re: 2 questions s'il vous plait  Re: 2 questions s'il vous plait  Re: 2 questions s'il vous plait  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DECdtm and TUXEDO questions  Etherchannel support on VMS  FQDN instead of IP address Re: FQDN instead of IP address Re: FQDN instead of IP address2 Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody? Ftp and Bind Re: Ftp and Bind Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Hobbyist Cluster?  Re: Hobbyist Cluster?  Re: Hobbyist Cluster?  Re: Hobbyist Cluster?  Re: Hobbyist Cluster?  Re: How to read a fileheaderP Re: Incoming: PC164LX with 533Mhz CPU's - DON'T READ IF OUR POSTINGS     OFFEND # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? + Re: Jupiter (was Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?)  Re: LAT printer servers?+ Re: Pointers for VMS 7.2 upgrade procedure. 5 Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation 5 Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation  Re: RTR and DECdtm Re: Running NetHack on OpenVMS- Re: Searching for DECnet-Plus Source Listings  Shareware - txt2pdf 4.0 ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist  To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris 2 Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharing Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer  Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:17:13 GMT & From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) Subject: Re: 164LX and VMS1 Message-ID: <39c0a436.676684050@news.newsguy.com>   5 On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:20:27 -0400, "Fred Kleinsorge" $ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  L >First of all, it's Compaq, not Decpaq.  I'd also like to know *exactly* how  D DEC were never able to stop some people calling TOPS-20 Twenex (fromE TENEX obviously) and Digital then Compaq can't get users to stick the E Open in front of VMS. Correcting Decpaq to Compaq will just make that % hang around longer as well I suspect.   C And as your email address is still @star.zko.dec.com the words pot, D kettle and black come to mind... Please don't take this as a request to 'fix' the address!    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:06:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: 164LX and VMS6 Message-ID: <8pqt1i$p4g$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Z In article <39c0a436.676684050@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) writes:D :And as your email address is still @star.zko.dec.com the words pot,E :kettle and black come to mind... Please don't take this as a request  :to 'fix' the address!  E   The work to alter the host addressing is already well underway, and D   various Compaq sites have already seen their access via "dec.com" G   effectively disabled.   The rest -- including the folks working here  E   in OpenVMS Engineering -- will follow, probably by the end of 2000.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT) ) From: tim obrien <timobrien_67@yahoo.com> $ Subject: 2 questions s'il vous plait= Message-ID: <20000914061903.11973.qmail@web114.yahoomail.com>    greetings to all!   @ i'm one of the silent "lurkers" of this group(until now) for the< past 5 months. (sometimes its a real drag to get 150 or more< messages from here on moday mornings- but i read/scan avidly@ through everything).and those who argue here for arguments sake,< need to find full time "demanding" VMS jobs! (no, not Sun!) ? Many thanks to those who give out DCL examples for whatever the : reason! and special kudos to those few who have a sense of: humor, be they "down under", UK, Canada or here in my USA,= please accept my heartfelt thanks. my questions are: (i could 8 call Compaq support (we have an active contract) and get> "knocked down/humiliated" for being the total ignoramus that i? am) but i'm doing it here because this is, well, fun?  yea, i'm : a super-jumped up" operator turned overnight into a junior> admin. without the knowledge/ experience/degree etc. in charge< of a  Alpha/7.2-1 with (pls don't enlighten what some of you= have already declared!) exabyte tape drives. i'm told to make > copies of old data that resides on (Voice- MP120) tapes. these< are  non-data tapes, and i'm able to restore them to dka200:> using a simple backup com file and then back them up to a more@ modern exabyte tape drive, using  8mm  112/5g  data tapes. works; just fine. so after about 20 of these restore/ backups(this @ ancient exabyte drive takes some 55 minutes to restore-plenty of@ comp.os reading time!) i ran into a tape that has non-valid ansi; format error (won't mount).   Can this be read in any, way, < shape  or form to my Alpha disk, and (2nd question) wouldn't: this fail to backup if its original state was non-ansi? my> predecessor was using vms 6.2 to do the backups. i looked into; "ask the wizard" and other Compaq/VMS sites for pointers. i @ think its a "lost" data cause, so please confirm this. thanks in advance.0               timSPAMTHISBABYobrien_67@yahoo.com  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?6 Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:27:59 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>( Subject: Re: 2 questions s'il vous plaitI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009141018350.4268-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   & On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, tim obrien wrote:   +greetings to all! [...] 8 +                                       i'm told to make? +copies of old data that resides on (Voice- MP120) tapes. these = +are  non-data tapes, and i'm able to restore them to dka200:  [...] 1 +       i ran into a tape that has non-valid ansi < +format error (won't mount).   Can this be read in any, way,    Check MOUNT/FOREIGN. :   /FOREIGN allow block-mode access to device, you can then; read any valid data (some invalid data, like parity errors, = can be [unfortunatelly] efficiently blocked by the hardware). -  After MOUNT/FOREIGN check DUMP - RTFH[elp] !   = +shape  or form to my Alpha disk, and (2nd question) wouldn't 8 +this fail to backup if its original state was non-ansi?  8  Probably -:] You must little known the datastructure on> "physical level" on tape (data bytes packet in blocks, and the> blocks are packet to files - but "ANSI tape file" is a 3-tape- file pack). ;  Some utilities to tape manipulation available in freeware: = check http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/fileserv-software.html ; and links http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/other-stuff.html    BTW: have you read the FAQ ?  Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:20:54 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com( Subject: Re: 2 questions s'il vous plaitH Message-ID: <OFF522F253.67A928C9-ON8025695A.0032F41A@qedi.quintiles.com>   Tim,H If your colleague managed to do this with 6.2, then you'll need to checkJ what he was doing to make it work and check the release notes from 7.1 andI 7.2 to make sure that the behaviour of what he was doing has not changed. H It's probably also worth double checking that when he was working on 6.2F that it was OpenVMS Alpha v6.2 and not OpenVMS VAX v6.2.  Although theH behaviour should be the same there may be some arcane kludge that he wasB using to make it work on a VAX that just isn't available on Alpha.   Hope this helps. Steve.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:34:26 GMT & From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)( Subject: Re: 2 questions s'il vous plait1 Message-ID: <39c0b697.681389646@news.newsguy.com>   4 On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:19:03 -0700 (PDT), tim obrien <timobrien_67@yahoo.com> wrote:    >greetings to all!) i ran into a tape that has non-valid ansi < >format error (won't mount).   Can this be read in any, way,  E Try  MOUNT/FOREIGN MKB400: (or whatever the tape device is) then DUMP  MKB400:   < Shoud you see text information in the dump that's in EnglishE (filenames, VOLume headers etc then post the first few blocks up here ? and someone can probably work out what it is. If you get device > offline, parity errors etc then you probably need to talk to a; specialist data recovery company to have any chance at all.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2000 14:58:59 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: DEC business Link6 Message-ID: <8pqp3j$odu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ^ In article <39C00CA3.A2D769E7@wi.rr.com.nospam>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com.nospam> writes:, :It has moved to www.businesslink.compaq.com  I   BusinessLink is (unfortunately) shutting down at the end of this month, J   with no good replacement for customers -- resellers will have access to G   pricing information (via CPN or CompaqConnect), but no general access E   to Compaq pricing (list or otherwise) will apparently be available.   M   [I have requested that this shutdown not happen until a general replacement M   is available -- I do not know what (if any) effect my request (or a request H   I know of from a current BusinessLink customer) will have, of course.]  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:07:36 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: DEC business Link= Message-ID: <YQ5w5.22876$pu4.1992295@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>    > K >   BusinessLink is (unfortunately) shutting down at the end of this month, K >   with no good replacement for customers -- resellers will have access to I >   pricing information (via CPN or CompaqConnect), but no general access G >   to Compaq pricing (list or otherwise) will apparently be available.  >   J Ah. Another Memorable Marketing Misstep. Not to worry, your Sun (or IBM orL Dell or HP) rep will be glad to give you his or her spin on Compaq prices...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:07:06 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: DEC business Link) Message-ID: <39C0F7CD.52E75458@wi.rr.com>   Y Don't worry about it, Hoff.  This is just one more item that will be added to the list of 9 "Why Scott's employer is getting rid of its VMS systems."   M We've already decided to make the move.  This is just more icing on the cake.   O I hope Sun has those cache problems fixed by the time we start ordering the big  boxes next spring.   -Scott  :^(    Hoff Hoffman wrote:   ` > In article <39C00CA3.A2D769E7@wi.rr.com.nospam>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com.nospam> writes:. > :It has moved to www.businesslink.compaq.com > K >   BusinessLink is (unfortunately) shutting down at the end of this month, K >   with no good replacement for customers -- resellers will have access to I >   pricing information (via CPN or CompaqConnect), but no general access G >   to Compaq pricing (list or otherwise) will apparently be available.  > O >   [I have requested that this shutdown not happen until a general replacement O >   is available -- I do not know what (if any) effect my request (or a request J >   I know of from a current BusinessLink customer) will have, of course.] > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 18:09:09 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  Subject: Re: DEC business LinkH Message-ID: <y4hf7j6jmi.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  O >   [I have requested that this shutdown not happen until a general replacement O >   is available -- I do not know what (if any) effect my request (or a request J >   I know of from a current BusinessLink customer) will have, of course.]  M Good luck. It does seem that Compaq has been infected with DEC's malmarketing L syndrome permanently. (What, an e-buisness supplier that can't provide vitalL information via the 'net? What will we have next - access to customer record. details via http or a similar security lapse?)   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:50:51 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: DEC business Link6 Message-ID: <8pqvlb$q54$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <y4hf7j6jmi.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:5 :hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  : P :>   [I have requested that this shutdown not happen until a general replacementP :>   is available -- I do not know what (if any) effect my request (or a requestK :>   I know of from a current BusinessLink customer) will have, of course.]  : N :Good luck. It does seem that Compaq has been infected with DEC's malmarketingM :syndrome permanently. (What, an e-buisness supplier that can't provide vital M :information via the 'net? What will we have next - access to customer record / :details via http or a similar security lapse?)   E   If you have strong feelings on this issue, please email them to the =   appropriate (high-level) folks.  See the FAQ for addresses.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:48:02 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)  Subject: Re: DEC business Link* Message-ID: <8pr30i$tu9$1@lisa.gemair.com>  6 In article <8pqvlb$q54$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:  >  >In article <y4hf7j6jmi.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes: 6 >:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: >:Q >:>   [I have requested that this shutdown not happen until a general replacement Q >:>   is available -- I do not know what (if any) effect my request (or a request L >:>   I know of from a current BusinessLink customer) will have, of course.] >:O >:Good luck. It does seem that Compaq has been infected with DEC's malmarketing N >:syndrome permanently. (What, an e-buisness supplier that can't provide vitalN >:information via the 'net? What will we have next - access to customer record0 >:details via http or a similar security lapse?) > F >  If you have strong feelings on this issue, please email them to the> >  appropriate (high-level) folks.  See the FAQ for addresses. >   A I might suggest US mail on company letterhead.  See this post by   the diligent Mr. William Hymen:   5   http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=666801759&fmt=text   B Mr. Hymen was suggesting this for a somewhat different reason, but! I think his advice still applies.   O > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------NM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  >    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.coml   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:11:12 GMT  From: richard_maher@my-deja.com ( Subject: Re: DECdtm and TUXEDO questions) Message-ID: <8pqbo5$bem$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e   Hi Thierry,E  E If DECdtm supported the Transaction Internet Protocol (TIP) then alot D more doors would open up to you but until then and to the best of my
 knowledge:  D The good news is that if you're only running Rdb/VMS then the 2PC isD achievable whether you use TUXEDO, MQ-Series, TIER3, straight socketD calls or task-to-task communication. Please note that you *won't* beE using Tuxedo for its XA functionality but merely as a conduit (or 2nd F pipe in th TIP sense) for passing DECdtm TIDs (Transaction IdentifiersC and BIDs (Branch Identifiers, later to be refered to as Applicationu  Participant Identifiers) around.  @ I will send you a Mailbox and a DECnet Task-to-Task example, via= seperate mail as I can't get any attachments to work here :-(a  E The bad news is that you don't appear to be running DECnet and DECdtmtG needs it. (I believe that the code for TCP/IP DECdtm is there but needsaF a final tweak and, obviously, testing before it could be released. ButE apparently I have to ferret out the many customers, such as yourself,iF that can prove that they have a legitimate need for this functionalityG and prostrate them before Rich Marcello before he will consider fundinga= such a project) Maybe you can get by with DECnet over TCP/IP.u  F I've also included some recent discussions on the subject that you mayD find interesting. I'm not sure if the customer that Yves was talkingG about was in fact SNCF but I hope you will find the information useful.F? The thing that I found curious was the fact that Bill Gettys ofCG OracleRdb did not quote a contact or colleague in BEA for VMS/XA futuree@ directions/strategy and instead relied on the same web and localD reference library data that a layman like myself might refer to. I'mG sure that the formal communication channels have been in place for many-1 years and Bill just didn't want to quote anybody?   F I have also come across the following web site on my travels, that mayE or may not be of any interest to you from a comparison point of view,2E that discusses what some of the more viable parts of Compaq are doing 8 with Tuxedo and TIP and Non-Stop Transaction Manager/MP:  , http://himalaya.compaq.com/view.asp?ioid=189   Regards Richard Maher.  F What follows is an extract from a recent thread in the Oracle Rdb List server:    -----Original Message-----9 From: Yves Lhrault [mailto:yves.lherault@SPAMNOTbea.com] ' Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 7:04 PM  To: Richard Maheri Subject: Re: DECdtm enhancementt   Hi Richard,b: Sorry for not responding immediatly : been at customer ...F No problem with quoting me in a technical discussion. My point here is@ with rdb not supporting XA, it is very difficult to think of anyF application spanning multiple DBs if RDB is one of them. So, exit Rdb., And it's a pity, because RDB users love it ! Best regards Yves  2 From: Yves Lhrault <yves.lherault@SPAMNOTbea.com>! To: <maher_rj@SPAMNOThotmail.com>i3 Subject: Re: RDB and XA Support with TUXEDO on OVMS % Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 20:45:07 +0200   
 Hi Richard (comments embedded)d  
 > Hi Yves, >oC > I was waiting for someone from Oracle to reply to you but I guessiD > it's not going to happen. (At least publicly). It appears that theG > torrent of ODBC, OCI, SQL/services queries is taking up all availableO > bandwidth.  ' I expected some reply for Oracle too...   G > >So what's new here: I've a customer wanting to run RDB 7 with TUXEDO-% > >and support transactions using XA. D > Who is the customer? (Worth a try :-) and what *exactly* are theirF > requirements? Was it you or them that first mentioned TUXEDO and XA?  G The customer is a large (over 100K employees) French company, already ae> BEA customer (that's why I didn't use "prospect" or "potentialF customer" ;-)) for TUXEDO. They recently decided to port some of theirB old apps to TUXEDO on OpenVMS and required some advice. As they'reD using RDB, they expect to continue using it. And they're thinking of8 integrating with other DBs in the near future, hence XA.  1 > >Is the full support of XA now availbale in RDB!  C > NO! Rdb engineering is looking at it. Apparently the XA (Transarca EncinaE > compatible) code is, sorry was, available on TRU64. If Rdb lifted ab fingerE > to help with a *decent* XA version of DECdtm then we may be gettingt > somewhere on VMS.r  C I don't want to enter any war here against engineering. While there D were no or few customers requiring XA, I understand the economics ofG not developping it. But now, it would help a lot. The only references IdF found on XA/RDB are dated 1998 and things do not seem to have evolved.  ; > >(that is allowing different processes to start/commit) ?l  G > YES! Rdb/VMS has had this functionality/capability for about *10* TENi > years. DECnet-work wide!  G I've been a deccie for years and I know DECdtm (liked it) and RdB. Justa want to go one step further... <snip>   -----Original Message-----6 From: Ian Smith [mailto:Ian.E.Smith@SPAMNOToracle.com]( Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 3:22 PM To: oraclerdb@jcc.comf3 Subject: Re: RDB and XA Support with TUXEDO on OVMS      Richard Maher wrote:  D > I don't understand how there could have been heaps of money for XAD > compliance in Rdb/Tru64 yet Rdb/VMS continues to be starved of the budgetB > for this and other functionality, even though it was Rdb/*V.M.S* users'2 > license fees that paid for Rdb/Tru64 and Rdb/NT.  E DECdtm didn't run on OSF, so we needed a 2PC transaction monitor.  Wet chose the ENCINA XA model.  E > But then I find it absolutely inconceivable that no one from OracleiD > Rdb got in touch with Yves let alone replied to his question here.  C But I did and I directed him to the appropriate channel.   Maybe heY didn't get my mail.   G > But I'm forgetting listserver etiquette and that this is not a formal- > support channel :-(   F Exactly, and there are some questions asked in this forum which do not" need or warrant a public response.  H > Is it true that the XA code for Rdb/VMS is already in situ but is just
 > turned off?0 >y  F As I mentioned above we implemented the ENCINA XA model, unfortunatelyG the TUXEDO XA implementation doesn't play well with Rdb and the changeseE to Rdb require more than "turning on" the support.  If you attend thee: Rdb Forum then I can explain more in person (sign up now).  D So while we are interested, other matters are seen as more pressing.G While an email letter campaign might get some attention it doesn't help F us complete other tasks on our plate any faster.  As you will learn at( the Rdb Forum at the end of September...   --H Ian Smith                               Read the Technical Corner column> Oracle Rdb Engineering Group            in the Rdb Web JournalA email: Ian.E.Smith@oracle.com           http://www.oracle.com/rdb E (Standard disclaimer:  The statements and opinions expressed here are D my own and do not necessarily represent those of Oracle Corporation)   -----Original Message-----8 From: Bill Gettys [mailto:Bill.Gettys@SPAMNOToracle.com]( Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 4:28 PM To: oraclerdb@jcc.com 3 Subject: Re: RDB and XA Support with TUXEDO on OVMSt   Richard and Yves,   F Please look at the BEA web site for their list of supported platforms.G There is no entry for OpenVMS as either a supported or planned platform= for version 7.1, their latest.  5 See http://www.bea.com/products/tuxedo/platforms.htmlE  E The only releases that ever supported OpenVMS were their versions 6.5sA and 6.4 (client support only).  They support VMS version 7.2 with= version 7.1 binaries only.  7 See http://www.bea.com/products/tuxedo/platforms_6.html5  G Some of our engineers believe it would take a tremendous amount of workoD for Rdb to support Tuxedo and would potentially destabilize the codeE for all our customers.  The resources we would have to devote to thate@ effort would be better utilized on other projects that have moreA immediate benefit to more customers IMHO.  I am not encouraged touD change my mind when I read that Tuxedo no longer seems interested in OpenVMS.   Bill    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:27:20 +0100y- From: Martin Walker <Martin.Walker@csf.co.uk>k$ Subject: Etherchannel support on VMSS Message-ID: <84C76BA22FDFD2118EA1006097D7C7A70493332A@london_exch.london.csf.co.uk>e  4 Wondering whether it's worth pursuing this option...  H Anyone know whether Etherchannel (Cisco's method for aggregating NetworkK bandwidth and providing controller redundancy) is supported / works on VMS?)  4 VMS/Alpha v7.2-1 cluster / TCPIP v5.0a / DECnet-Plus  J The primary protocol is IP but we'd also like to be able to set up DECnet, LAT, MOP and SCS in this way.a  B If not, are there other ways to achieve the same thing (e.g. couldL Loadbroker "know" about several IP addresses on one machine and load balanceF between them?)  (We already have loadbroker to balance IP load between systems in the cluster).   TIAy  A This e-mail including any attachments is confidential and may be tF legally privileged. If you have received it in error please advise the@ sender immediately by return email and then delete it from your  system. B The unauthorised use, distribution, copying or alteration of this F email is strictly forbidden. If you need assistance please contact the& CSF help desk on (+44)(0)207 490 2727.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:02:51 GMTc From: teroconnor@my-deja.com# Subject: FQDN instead of IP address ) Message-ID: <8pq47l$3du$1@nnrp1.deja.com>d  C On three VMS nodes running UCX v4.2 when I do a "show user /full" Is4 only see the host IP address for TELNET clients e.g.E WALSHB     0000034B 0000034B  TNA17: (Host: 10.10.202.75 Port: 1031 )c    I would like to see the FQDN e.g  ; WALSHB     0000034B 0000034B  TNA17: (PC030.star.net.co.uk)t  G I have DNS running on NT servers but think my UCX config need adjusting(  
 ucx show name  BIND Resolver Parameters Local domain: star.co.uk System State:     Started, Enabledo Transport: UDP   Domain:    star.co.ukr   Retry:     4   Timeout:   4   Servers:   node3, node2e Processf State:     Enabled
 Transport:	   Domain:z   Retry:
   Timeout:
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 ucx show binde6 %UCX-E-MAPERROR, Error processing MAP or UNMAP request8 -UCX-E-CFSERROR, Error processing UCX filesystem request) -SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name matcht   MCR UCX$NSLOOKUPG *** Can't find server name for address 10.10.202.3: Non-existent domaino! Default Server:  node2.star.co.ukp Address:  10.10.202.2-   Any suggestions?   Ters    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:06:55 +0100l  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com' Subject: Re: FQDN instead of IP addressrH Message-ID: <OFEC96671F.036C6CB5-ON8025695A.00364A01@qedi.quintiles.com>   Hi Ter,o5 The DNS is configured in the UCX configuration scripteF (SYS$MANAGER:UCX$CONFIG) or by using the SET NAME_SERVICE / SET CONFIG! NAME_SERVICE commands within UCX.sH The present configuration for the DNS servers is shown in your SHOW NAMEJ command.  Systems node3 and node2 are configured as the DNS servers so youI need to check that these are actually named on your system.  You could do I this with UCX SHOW HOST node3 or UCX SHOW HOST node2.  My systems use thecK IP addresses to set up the DNS servers, but that's personal preference more  than anything.  J To achieve your final aim (of having the name of the remote systems in theK SHOW USER/FULL command, you would have to configure the IP addresses of alllK of your systems in either the DNS or the local hosts database.  This is noteH so bad if you only have a few machines with fixed IP addresses, but onceK you got to hundreds of systems or systems with DHCP supplied addresses lifeu becomes somewhat more complex.  I UCX SHOW HOST is also easier than using NSLOOKUP on your VMS system.  YouvE can tailor your search to just look in your local database using SHOW  HOST/LOCAL too.- Steve.  $ teroconnor at my-deja dot com wrote:F >>>On three VMS nodes running UCX v4.2 when I do a "show user /full" I4 only see the host IP address for TELNET clients e.g.E WALSHB     0000034B 0000034B  TNA17: (Host: 10.10.202.75 Port: 1031 )     I would like to see the FQDN e.g  ; WALSHB     0000034B 0000034B  TNA17: (PC030.star.net.co.uk)e  G I have DNS running on NT servers but think my UCX config need adjustingr  
 <<<trim>>>
 ucx show bindu6 %UCX-E-MAPERROR, Error processing MAP or UNMAP request8 -UCX-E-CFSERROR, Error processing UCX filesystem request) -SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match:   MCR UCX$NSLOOKUPG *** Can't find server name for address 10.10.202.3: Non-existent domaina! Default Server:  node2.star.co.uka Address:  10.10.202.2o   Any suggestions?<<<w   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:18:45 +0200c5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>s' Subject: Re: FQDN instead of IP addressa- Message-ID: <39C0B415.DAEE1A24@whitehouse.nl>t   teroconnor@my-deja.com wrote:t > E > On three VMS nodes running UCX v4.2 when I do a "show user /full" Ia6 > only see the host IP address for TELNET clients e.g.G > WALSHB     0000034B 0000034B  TNA17: (Host: 10.10.202.75 Port: 1031 )a > " > I would like to see the FQDN e.g > = > WALSHB     0000034B 0000034B  TNA17: (PC030.star.net.co.uk)   E I think you can set this with 'ucx set service telnet/log=noaddress',JF you have to restart the telnet service (ucx disa serv telnet, ucx enab3 serv telnet) and this will logoff all telnet users.s > I > I have DNS running on NT servers but think my UCX config need adjustingp >  > ucx show namei > BIND Resolver Parameters > Local domain: star.co.uk > System > State:     Started, Enabledn > Transport: UDP >   Domain:    star.co.uk. >   Retry:     4 >   Timeout:   4 >   Servers:   node3, node2t	 > Processm > State:     Enabled > Transport: >   Domain:n
 >   Retry: >   Timeout: >   Servers: >  > ucx show bind'8 > %UCX-E-MAPERROR, Error processing MAP or UNMAP request: > -UCX-E-CFSERROR, Error processing UCX filesystem request+ > -SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name matchm  H The 'show bind' command is related to NFS and has nothing to do with the
 name service.- >  > MCR UCX$NSLOOKUPI > *** Can't find server name for address 10.10.202.3: Non-existent domain # > Default Server:  node2.star.co.ukz > Address:  10.10.202.2-  C So it looks like your first dns server (node3) doesn't work and ucxs falls back to the other one.   regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:57:13 +0000 (UTC)4' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>f; Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody? , Message-ID: <8ppss9$juk$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:r  X > In article <8pkkli$ctg$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>, Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> writes:6 > :Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote: > :>   OpenVMS has NOc< > :>   code to support the 164LX and has not tested with it. > : L > :I guess this is true as seen from Compaqs side, but there are 164LX basedL > :"clone" models which are tested and sold with OpenVMS and OpenVMS doesn't1 > :need any additions or patches to run in 164LX.t  K >   OpenVMS does not support these widgets, and the only OpenVMS license(s)hJ >   available are those for the hobbyists.  I will continue to repeat thisJ >   mantra as OpenVMS Engineering is not in a position to accept platform K >   support calls for unsupported boxes.  You and others may well know and  K >   understand this distinction, but others might not.  (Hence repetition.)   G Yes, and I didn't mean to insist that you should support those widgets.e( That was only to show that they run VMS.  + > :If you read Alpha8 and Alpha13 from FAQ,r  E >   I'll assume that statement is a result of some subtle differences-F >   in English phrasing and interpretations, as I can assure you that 9 >   I have read the FAQ through at least a few times. :-).  L > :                                        it looks like Multia and AXPpci33E > :are more ready to run OpenVMS than 164LX, which is quite opposite.y  B >   Maybe from your perspective, that might be true.  We (OpenVMS B >   Engineering) have a whole lot more experience running OpenVMS D >   (unsupported) on the Multia than on some of these other widgets.D >   I have seen various failure and problem reports for most of (all" >   of?) these platforms, as well.  G Okay. Now I understand your perspective better. I must apologize to youI. Hoff and Fred. I was in belief that 164LX runsA VMS without problems. My (very short) test periods showed so. Now J suddenly I realized that there may be a little possibility that I'm simplyB wrong. I've sold away all two LX boards (to Linux/Unix use :-() soC I cannot test any more. I was worried that you spend your time with)D VMS/Multia while there are better platforms to exploit. Don't get meG wrong. I'm very happy that I can now run VMS in AXPpci33 thanks to your I Multia work. I have an obsession that all our computers should be able tod: run VMS. Now there are still those 8 164SX ... ;-). Sorry.  H > :Multia and AXPpci33 needed extra routines to run VMS. I hope somebodyD > :could collect table of motherboards and their ability to run VMS.  B >   API U2000 dual-processor (only) also apparently boots OpenVMS.  I >   Your table looks quite good.  When it is gathered up, email it along d3 >   and I'll add it to the next edition of the FAQ.t  = I hope someone else will do the gathering. I put the table inhG http://www.jyu.fi/~kujala/Alpha-board-vms.txt and will try to update itaC when I get more information, but probably it will remain to containh1 plenty of question marks and misunderstood facts.o   regardsf              Osmo Kujala   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:40:31 +0200i/ From: "GianniDajevic" <giovanni.dajevic@its.it>w Subject: Ftp and Bind + Message-ID: <8pqkd2$89t$1@nntp.weblinea.it>r   HelloI  L I discovered that a ftp request to a VMS host ( Vax VMS 6.1, UCX 4.1 )  wait0 1-2 minutes before username prompt is presented.! This happen when Bind is enabled.w  D A request over a VMS host, in the same area with the same version of$ products without Bind, is immediate.  1 In SYS$SYSDEVICE:[UCX$FTP]UCX$FTPD.LOG i can findC   %RMS-E-RNF, record not found/ %UCX-E-FTP_GETHST, Error in getting host name .p  A Can You explain me the matter, and eventually suggest a solution?    Thanks   Gianni Dajevic" I.T.S. Srl - Midrange Technologies VMS System TechnologiesO Via Issiglio 63/A- 10141 Torino0 Tel. +39-011-6852840/3199   Fax: +39-011-68535830 mailto:giovanni.dajevic@its.it http://www.its.it   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:06:16 +0200e5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>w Subject: Re: Ftp and Binda- Message-ID: <39C0DB58.87E05FE0@whitehouse.nl>p   GianniDajevic wrote:   > %RMS-E-RNF, record not found1 > %UCX-E-FTP_GETHST, Error in getting host name ., > C > Can You explain me the matter, and eventually suggest a solution?v  C UCX is trying to resolve the hostname. The incoming connection only@D contains an IP address. FTP wants to know what the hostname for this address is.r  C Apparently your DNS server cannot translate this and maybe tries to @ forward the query to another server. It takes about this time to timeout.  F If you disable the name resolver, ucx will immediately know that there) is no name available for this IP address.e  G You might want to check with the dns manager to see why the name cannot  be resolved.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:56:18 GMTa  From: djim55@datasync.com (D.J.)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point1 Message-ID: <39c06794.19271504@news.datasync.com>m  /  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:rM []So, until I see a FULL formula of all the byproducts of Halon when it comestK []into contact with heat/fire, I will continue to trust the warnings on the M []extinguishers and dismiss the speculation from all those who claim Halon isrO []perfectly safe. I'll let them test Darwin's theories by staying in a computer'P []room during halon discharge, especially if there are hot surfaces somewhere in []the room.o  E   Why would someone, in contradiction to the evidence, claim Halon is = safe to breathe when it comes in contact with flame or heat ?r  E I've worked in a computer room that was Halon protected. We were toldeE in no uncertain terms that if the alarm goes off, to get out, and notrE come back in until the fire department cleared it as okay because our  lives depended on it.e  E The warnings next to the relase pull for the Halon extinguishers wereo> too large to miss. You could stand 10 feet away and read them.   JimP.  --6 djim55 at tyhe datasync dot com. Disclaimer: Standard.) My Web pages Updated: September 11, 2000:t4 http://www.crosswinds.net/~djim51/povray/povray.html Registered Linux user#185746   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:31:58 GMTm* From: don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point6 Message-ID: <968913117.235239@shelley.paradise.net.nz>  . Howard S Shubs  <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote:N >I've never had any training wrt Halon or other such products.  What should I   >know, other than "GET OUT NOW"?  8 I always thought "GET OUT NOW" was fairly explicit.  8-)  G Seriously, safety information on materials such as Halon is pretty easyeF to get; various safety regulations mandate making this material easily! available from the manufacturers.a  G For example, a web search on "halon" and "safety data" brings up safetyCH data on the common forms of Halon used in fire suppression.  Mostly, theH issues are the usual ones associated compressed gasses, risk of cylinderA rupture, frostbite from leaking cylinders etc, but in the case of ; halons, there is the question of decompostion products, eg:t  E   Hazardous Decomposition Products: Thermal decomposition; BCF begins H   decomposing at temperatures above 900 F to give free halogens, halogenH   acids, and small amounts of carbonyl halides. These by-products have aG   sharp irritating odor. They are dangerous even in low concentrations, J   and in sufficient concentrations can result in personal injury or death.  < (Tim, you were saying something about the stuff being safe?)  < This is from the Halon 1211 (aka BCF) data sheet linked fromV http://www.ansul.com/Material_Safety_Data_Sheets/body_material_safety_data_sheets.html. The Halon 1301 sheet says much the same thing.  ; The FM-200 (mentioned upthread) data sheet is available offp& http://www.fm-200.com/Product/Nom.htm    -- don   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:33:37 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point) Message-ID: <39C09B95.121E6990@wi.rr.com>c  
 Koloth wrote:g  O > I worked at to remain unnamed company with a large enclosure that needed firetN > protection.  The space was 180' by 130' by 90'.  Needless to say it needed aN > large amount of Halon.  I think the tanks outside were about the size of two > railroad tanker cars.e  L Geez!  A computer room with a 90' ceiling.  Were you keeping your systems in a high school gym?  ;^)2  D You must have had some 600U equipment racks with rackmount VAX 6000sL piled all the way to heavens.  [Can you imagine trying to rackmount a 6000?]  J "Say, Charlie, can you swing the crane over this way?  I need a ride up to1 VAX72 to change the front panel key to Update..."t  
 -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:45:50 +0100e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data pointH Message-ID: <OF5CD7B83A.75C125D0-ON8025695A.003544C0@qedi.quintiles.com>  J I'd assumed that they had mezzanine floors (big racks effectively that youH can walk around!!!  :-))  but the idea of going up to a front panel in aH crane or a cherry-picker sounds more fun!!  Provided the crane had thoseK static earthing straps on it of course since your computer room environmente would be out of spec otherwise.e  * Is this what they call "economy of scale"? Steve.  0 Scott Vieth (svieth at wi dot rr dot com) wrote:G >>>You must have had some 600U equipment racks with rackmount VAX 6000s E piled all the way to heavens.  [Can you imagine trying to rackmount a- 6000?]  J "Say, Charlie, can you swing the crane over this way?  I need a ride up to4 VAX72 to change the front panel key to Update..."<<<   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 07:39:03 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen).& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point+ Message-ID: <n+OF3tD7kHa+@eisner.decus.org>t  O In article <39C05E94.A318AFF6@tmisnet.com>, Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> writes:7  M > On a more serious note.  We had a site that tested their CO2 system and hadl; > several CPU board failures in 8400s due to thermal shock.s  ' Shhh, don't tell Andrew Harrison.   :-)c   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:01:18 GMTe5 From: william.hamblen@nashville.com (William Hamblen)W& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point2 Message-ID: <39c09abe.30178196@news.nashville.com>  C On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:56:18 GMT, djim55@datasync.com (D.J.) wrote:l  F >  Why would someone, in contradiction to the evidence, claim Halon is> >safe to breathe when it comes in contact with flame or heat ?  @ The different Halons (halogenated hydrocarbons) do vary a bit inE toxicity.  The numbers tell you the chemical composition.  The digitstD are carbon, fluorine, chlorine, bromine, iodine with trailing zeroes5 dropped. Halon 1301 is trifluorobromomethane. 1211 ise? difluorochlorobromomethane.  You can blame the US Army for thisgD nomenclature. Compounds with chlorine in them are more toxic.  HalonC 1301 will produce cardiac arrythmias in susceptible persons, but infA the concentrations used in computer rooms is safe enough that you E don't have to evacuate the space before releasing the agent. One sideB> effect is that your speaking voice drops an octave because theF air-Halon mix is denser than ordinary room air. The Halon 1211 used inF portable fire extinguishers is more toxic and it is not a good idea toD linger in a confined space after using one of them.  There are otherD Halons used in aircraft engine extinguishing systems that are pretty> bad.  Still other Halons are the refrigerants used in your airD conditioner or refrigerator - Freon (trademark of Dupont) by another> name.  Halons work by stopping the chemical free radical chainD reactions that make a fire, not by displacing oxygen (different fromC carbon dioxide). The decomposition products include HF. HBr and HClsD (for 1211), none of which are good to breathe.  All this is becomingD folkloric as it is illegal to manufacture the stuff anymore.  Carbon9 dioxide is quite toxic, apart from the question of oxygen C displacement, so you definitely don't want to be in a space full ofc CO2.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:26:31 GMTO& From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point1 Message-ID: <39c0b041.679767123@news.newsguy.com>)  C On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:56:18 GMT, djim55@datasync.com (D.J.) wrote:i   >U0 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: >sF >I've worked in a computer room that was Halon protected. We were toldF >in no uncertain terms that if the alarm goes off, to get out, and notF >come back in until the fire department cleared it as okay because our >lives depended on it. > F >The warnings next to the relase pull for the Halon extinguishers were? >too large to miss. You could stand 10 feet away and read them.a  B But still I remember an occasion where a low level janitor decidedE that a weekend period with no ops cover (University) would be a greate@ time to replace light strips. He had no key for the Machine RoomD (which would have switched the system to attended) but used a masterF fire exit key to enter through a back door not intended for use exceptC in emergency or equipment installation. He ignored multiple warning C signs and lights and entered the room with the system on automatic.uF During the fitting process he dislodged some roof tiles triggering oneE sensor and causing a loud zone failure alarm to sound. Despite all of > this he continued.  Had he damaged a sensor in another zone...  B To get in he had ignored a "Danger of Death" sign, "Warning do notC enter unless green light shows", "Halon Gas", "Authorized personnelA> only" and an audible alarm. He must also have exerted enormousF pressure on the key to break the glass lock on the inside of the door.@ Sometimes no amount of warnings can deter a sufficiently idiotic human.     >JimP. >--E7 >djim55 at tyhe datasync dot com. Disclaimer: Standard.E* >My Web pages Updated: September 11, 2000:5 >http://www.crosswinds.net/~djim51/povray/povray.html. >Registered Linux user#185746    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:04:58 GMT0 From: jcmorris@jmorris-pc.MITRE.ORG (Joe Morris)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point( Message-ID: <8pqidq$n6d$1@top.mitre.org>  - Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> writes:D  : >Moderately good news: Halon dumps aren't instantly fatal.@ >Seeing as how I spend a good fraction of my day within a couple? >of feet of some giant red Halon tanks in the concrete bunker -eE >oops, officially it's called "computer room" - this is good to know.rD >I'd been heavily trained that when the Halon dump alarm sounds, youD >*get out*.  Now I know a little more, especially about the dead-man> >switch you can use to delay an electronically-triggered dump.  G Back in maybe the early '70s I was in a meeting where my shop was beingaA pitched on the use of Halon.  Part of the presentation was a film > demonstrating its safety: a man was seated in a small box withI transparent walls.  He is reading a newspaper, and there is a wastebasket A next to him.  A rather impressive fire starts in the wastebasket,aA Halon is dumped into the cubicle, and the man continues to calmly 3 read the newspaper as the fire suddenly disappears.:  B I don't know the standard concentrations for Halon floods (I leaveA that to the people who really *do* know what they're doing in the A area of fire suppression) but all the analyses I've seen indicate-B that there is a quite significant band of Halon concentration thatA is above what's required for it to attack the fire, and below theCB level of significant immediate impairment of the human respiratory process.  C (Oh yes...even the sales reps pushing Halon back then were up-front0E about the issue of *which* Halon to use.  One of the flavors (perhaps B Halon 1301?) has the nasty habit of degenerating into phosgene gas in a high-temperature fire.)  B Around 1990 the shop I managed finally got approval to upgrade itsD fire-protection system to something that worked (we were still usingB a God-help-me 1960-vintage Pyr-A-Larm box) and I looked into usingC Halon, but the cost and declining availability made it impractical.mC I settled for a dry-standpipe water system, with heat/smoke sensors B used to open the deluge valve, and traditional sprinklers over the? equipment; thankfully we never had to find out if it would have  worked.I  
 Joe Morris   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:15:40 GMTd4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point= Message-ID: <0c4w5.87236$_s1.1101178@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e  F > >I've never had any training wrt Halon or other such products.  What should I" > >know, other than "GET OUT NOW"? >a: > I always thought "GET OUT NOW" was fairly explicit.  8-) > I > Seriously, safety information on materials such as Halon is pretty easydH > to get; various safety regulations mandate making this material easily# > available from the manufacturers.n >tI > For example, a web search on "halon" and "safety data" brings up safetyuJ > data on the common forms of Halon used in fire suppression.  Mostly, theJ > issues are the usual ones associated compressed gasses, risk of cylinderC > rupture, frostbite from leaking cylinders etc, but in the case of = > halons, there is the question of decompostion products, eg:  > G >   Hazardous Decomposition Products: Thermal decomposition; BCF beginsrJ >   decomposing at temperatures above 900 F to give free halogens, halogenJ >   acids, and small amounts of carbonyl halides. These by-products have aI >   sharp irritating odor. They are dangerous even in low concentrations, L >   and in sufficient concentrations can result in personal injury or death. > > > (Tim, you were saying something about the stuff being safe?) >   G Halon works by suppressing the free radicals that enable the combustion.J chain reaction. The stuff works fast, too... presumably well in advance ofD an involved area achieving 900 F. And like the caveat sez, the nastyH byproducts have a VERY irritating odor: chances are you would vacate theL area long before the byproducts could do you any harm (those who were in theK military may recall the CS gas chamber... once you unmask and catch a whiff'F of CS,  you are highly motivated to be Someplace Else in a big hurry).   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 05:51:29 -0700' From: Charles Eicher <ceicher@inav.net>s& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point* Message-ID: <8pqhkh$10k4@edrn.newsguy.com>  = In article <39BFE5F5.17693B7A@trailing-edge.com>, Tim says...s >dH >A couple years ago we had a thread about Halon fire-suppressing systems> >used in computer rooms.   Through the school of hard knocks, 4 >I just learned first hand how such systems operate. > F >Today at work (let's just call it a "large employer in the WashingtonB >DC area") we had a memorable incident in Operations Control when 9 >someone (with undoubtedly good intentions) unscrewed theo> >solenoid controlling the valve and dumped - without warning -6 >2500 pounds of Halon 1301 into the room in just a fewA >seconds.  (Operations is a *big* room.  It was fitted with eight  >giant red tanks of Halon.)G  N Your story leaves me with only one question: what does 2500 lbs of Halon cost?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:54:53 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point= Message-ID: <1F5w5.22874$pu4.1991860@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>s  J > Your story leaves me with only one question: what does 2500 lbs of Halon cost?  >S  H Good question. Back in the mid seventies when I designed fire protectionL systems, Halon was about five bucks a pound. In the post-UN treaty era, it'sL one hell of lot more expensive than that. I'd be interested in learning whatC the current price is; IIRC it's well over $25 per pound these days.o   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2000 15:53:20 GMT From: X@Y.Z.net (Jynx)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point2 Message-ID: <slrn8s1t3e.nmq.X@animas.frontier.net>  7 On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:26:31 GMT, Alan Greig scribbled:o >.C >To get in he had ignored a "Danger of Death" sign, "Warning do noteD >enter unless green light shows", "Halon Gas", "Authorized personnel? >only" and an audible alarm. He must also have exerted enormous G >pressure on the key to break the glass lock on the inside of the door.nA >Sometimes no amount of warnings can deter a sufficiently idiotica >human.e  0 The penalty for stupidity should NEVER be death.& But, oftentimes, the consequences are.4 It's about all we have left for natural selection...   Jonesy -- h? Marvin L Jones         |  jonz             |  W3DHJ     |  OS/2eF  Gunnison, Colorado    |   @               |  Jonesy    |  linux    __F   7,703' -- 2,345m     |    frontier.net   |  DM68mn                SK   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:02:11 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point6 Message-ID: <8pqsq3$p4g$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  t In article <KrVv5.22722$pu4.1955993@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: : J :> A couple years ago we had a thread about Halon fire-suppressing systems? :> used in computer rooms.   Through the school of hard knocks,]6 :> I just learned first hand how such systems operate. ..C :> This Halon is Good Stuff.  Other than some grit blasted from thei> :> ceiling tiles, there was zero debris left in the machinery.? :> What's the "environmentally friendly" equivalent used today? D :> Is there such an equivalent - something that will put out a fire,3 :> but at the same time not damage vital equipment?r ..M :Well, there's carbon dioxide, but in concentrations sufficient to extinguish ! :flames it'll also suffocate you.l  F   In a total-flooding carbon dioxide system -- which is what is being G   discussed here, obviously -- yes, you really don't want to be in the nF   flooded compartment after one of these carbon dioxide systems dumps.H   Well, not without a source of breathing air and appropriate training, F   that is -- SCBA (or potentially a tether hose) is a requirement for D   operations in confined spaces and in oxygen-depleted environments.  F   A carbon dioxide based fire suppression system has some analogies toH   farms using regular or ground-storage silos -- once the concentration H   of carbon dioxide builds up, it kills most anything that wanders into G   the oxygen-depleted area.  It sometimes also kills the rescuers, too.   H   As for fire extinguishers, I'd leave those to the folks trained to useN   them -- the use of an incorrect extinguisher can make things (much) worse.  J   (Hopefully each area has the correct types of extinguisher(s) available M   for the expected fire(s).)  As for what Just get out.  Some of the gaseous aM   combustion products are really nasty, and not something you want to inhale.aM   Hydrogen cyanide, carbon monoxide, hydrogen sulfide, and other nasties are d/   all common gases found in a fire compartment.e  C   One of the key reasons folks are, um, encouraged to exit the fireoH   compartment is not so much the floodding gas itself, but to avoid the G   products of combustion.  Well, that and to avoid the off chance that rK   somebody has reduced the size of the flooding compartment without making vI   a corresponding reduction in the total capacity of the flooding system.nC   Contractors may not be familiar with the implications to the firerF   suppression system when building a new partition wall, for instance.  J   At least one zero ozone depletion potential (zero ODP) replacement agentF   for total-flooding systems is currently available, something called F   FM-200.  FM-200 has reportedly passed Underwriters Laboratories and I   Factory Mutual testing for efficacy.  LC50 indicates FM-200 is similar sI   to Halon 1301, or potentially that higher concentrations of FM-200 are  F   required for toxicity similar to Halon 1301.  (But I still would not:   want to breath it, or breath the combustion products...)    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:26:17 GMTs( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point' Message-ID: <G0vxnt.A4r@spcuna.spc.edu>t  ? In alt.folklore.computers Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote:wN > Geez!  A computer room with a 90' ceiling.  Were you keeping your systems in > a high school gym?  ;^)0  G   There is allegedly some huge space at a government facility that was [C used at one time for classfied experiments (and thus had impressiveuF amounts of guards) which was no longer used, but since it had a fully-A charged Halon system, it was still being guarded because it had a-$ multi-million-dollar stash of Halon.  E   For some reason I recall this as being a blimp hangar at NASA Ames,mF but I'm probably mistaken. I bet some of the other a.f.c regulars know$ the place I'm thinking of, though...  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAn   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:45:59 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)a& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point, Message-ID: <NLvIXTz1W6LI@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  7 In article <968913117.235239@shelley.paradise.net.nz>,  1      don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes) writes:  > G >   Hazardous Decomposition Products: Thermal decomposition; BCF beginseJ >   decomposing at temperatures above 900 F to give free halogens, halogenJ >   acids, and small amounts of carbonyl halides. These by-products have aI >   sharp irritating odor. They are dangerous even in low concentrations,-L >   and in sufficient concentrations can result in personal injury or death. > > > (Tim, you were saying something about the stuff being safe?) >   N      I thought the point was that halon is (relatively) safe when accidentallyO released, not that one should stand around in a burning room watching the halonaP do its stuff. I would think being in a room where temperatures are reaching 900FM would be dangerous regardless of what sort of fire supression system might be- in place :-)   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:04:55 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009141052140.4268-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>n  5 On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:c  < +There are two cluster licenses - VAXcluster and VMScluster.J +The VMScluster one is for Alphas whereas the VAXcluster one is for VAXen.    IMHO wrong.A  The VAXcluster works for some older VMS versions, the VMSclusteri9 is required (even for VAX) for some newest (7.X ? 7.2 ?).i  1 +I don't believe that the two are interchangable.i    Right ! -:)    Regards - Gotfryd   -- rE =====================================================================dF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEl. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:40:35 +0100d  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?H Message-ID: <OF787D78A2.9B62C854-ON8025695A.00345FBA@qedi.quintiles.com>  J According to the OpenVMS Cluster Software SPD for versions 6,2-1H3 and 7.1E of the operating system (SPD number 29.78.14), license details are ass	 follows :r  J "Every server (nonclient) Alpha system in an OpenVMS Cluster configuration
 requires :( o  VMScluster Software for OpenVMS Alpha! - Software Licenses : QL-MUZA*-AAt( - Software Product Services: QT-MUZA*-** - LMF PAK Name : VMSCLUSTER   H "Every server (nonclient) VAX system in an OpenVMS Cluster configuration
 requires :& o  VMScluster Software for OpenVMS VAX! - Software Licenses : QL-VBRA*-AAs( - Software Product Services: QT-VBRA*-** - LMF PAK Name : VAXCLUSTERr  C "OpenVMS Cluster Client Software is available as part of the NAS150 * product.  It is not separately orderable."  I It may have changed at 7.2, but I don't have a cluster SPD to hand at the, moment for that. Steve.  @ Gotfryd Smolik (gotfryd at stanpol dor com dot pl) wrote/quoted:8 >>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:  < +There are two cluster licenses - VAXcluster and VMScluster.J +The VMScluster one is for Alphas whereas the VAXcluster one is for VAXen.    IMHO wrong.A  The VAXcluster works for some older VMS versions, the VMSclusterr< is required (even for VAX) for some newest (7.X ? 7.2 ?).<<<   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:14:56 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009141210420.5021-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   5 On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:h  K +According to the OpenVMS Cluster Software SPD for versions 6,2-1H3 and 7.1e [...]iA +Gotfryd Smolik (gotfryd at stanpol dor com dot pl) wrote/quoted:w
 + IMHO wrong.eB + The VAXcluster works for some older VMS versions, the VMScluster= +is required (even for VAX) for some newest (7.X ? 7.2 ?).<<<     Looks like you are right -:) ;  But that doesn't mean, that all my info is wrong: at leaste7 one time have seen, that for VAX VMS (probably 7.2) the 5 required license name is VMScluster. And the originalu question was about VAX/VMS 7.2.s   [...]oD +"OpenVMS Cluster Client Software is available as part of the NAS150+ +product.  It is not separately orderable."s  ;  And probably the step resolves any problem with Hobbyist !a    Regards - Gotfryd   -- nE =====================================================================oF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:29:13 +0100v  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?H Message-ID: <OF20F40DB0.3518097C-ON8025695A.00394BFF@qedi.quintiles.com>  G I've just grabbed a look at the electronic copy of the SPD on the 7.2-1aH docs CD.  This has the same wording as the 6.2-1H3/7.1 SPD (and does, inH fact, seem to be an extension of the 6.2-1H3/7.1 SPD) so again reckons : VMScluster license <=> Alpha VAXcluster license <=> VAX.y   Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:36:48 +0200e" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?( Message-ID: <8pqncp$cju$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  # Correct, for a VAX see this output:   	 $ sho lick   Active licenses on node HELIUM:   > ------- Product ID --------    ---- Rating ----- -- Version --@ Product            Producer    Units Avail Activ Version Release Termination J BASIC              DEC           300  F     0      0.0  (none)      (none)J BOOKBROWSER        DEC             0  100   0      0.0  28-FEB-1998 (none)B C                      DEC            50  F     0      0.0  (none) (none)J COBOL              DEC           300  F     0      0.0  (none)      (none)J DFG                DEC           900  F     0      0.0  (none)      (none)J DVNETRTG           DEC           230  E     0      0.0  (none)      (none)J DW-MOTIF           DEC            20  F     0      0.0  (none)      (none)J FORTRAN            DEC           300  F     0      0.0  (none)      (none)J PASCAL             DEC           100  F     0      0.0  (none)      (none)J UCX                DEC            20  F     0      0.0  (none)      (none)J VAX-VMS            DEC           200  0     D      0.0  (none)      (none)J VAXCLUSTER         DEC           100  E     0      0.0  (none)      (none)J VAXSET             DEC           200  F     0      0.0  (none)      (none)J VMS-USER           DEC           400  0     100    0.0  (none)      (none)J VOLSHAD            DEC           230  E     0      0.0  (none)      (none) $ sho sys/noprocI OpenVMS V7.2  on node HELIUM  14-SEP-2000 16:32:22.67  Uptime  3 14:46:17e $r  K The TABs got lost somewhere. Notice that some products require an E licensei
 (the SIPs)   Hans: steven.reece@quintiles.com heeft geschreven in bericht ... >m > H >I've just grabbed a look at the electronic copy of the SPD on the 7.2-1I >docs CD.  This has the same wording as the 6.2-1H3/7.1 SPD (and does, indI >fact, seem to be an extension of the 6.2-1H3/7.1 SPD) so again reckons :0 >VMScluster license <=> Alpha  >VAXcluster license <=> VAX. >e >Steve.c >R >H   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:32:11 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e% Subject: Re: How to read a fileheadero) Message-ID: <39C09B1B.593D475E@gtech.com>s   Paul wrote:UL > Can anybody tell me how I can read the image header's "image name" using a > tool like cobol of bliss.eJ > With analyze/image I can find the "image name" of an image in the "Image? > Identification Information" of the image header. I need to bebI > able to read the "image name" from the image header because that "imagenJ > name" can be different from the imagename that is shown when listing the > directory.   Try look at:   ftp://ftp.hhs.dk/pub/vms/misc/) http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/misc/t   and look for *IMAGEINFO*.* !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:11:44 -0400r) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net Y Subject: Re: Incoming: PC164LX with 533Mhz CPU's - DON'T READ IF OUR POSTINGS     OFFEND s9 Message-ID: <39c0c093$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   1 In <8pkvtc$hea$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>, on 09/14/00  7    at 08:11 AM, Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> said:s  B I bought one of the qlogic controllers and installed VMS that way.  + >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:aK >> It might support it with IDE.  The SRM does not support the 2940 Adaptec M >> controller which is in mine.  I'm currently in search of a SCSI controllereK >> which is supported by the SRM....Otherwise I will have to break down and  >> buy and IDE drive...suckipoo   I >AFAIK VMS supports IDE in some systems (DS10 at least) but not in PC164.tJ >Yes, I tried it. VMS starts booting from IDE in PC164, but stops when VMS? >doesn't see system disk. I haven't tried IDE CDROM, only disk.m  5 >>>Runs NetBSD very very nicely, allegedly runs OVMS.-H >>>OVMS, allegedly, like NetBSD supports limited kinds of video cards. IJ >>>plan on trying OVMS on my PC164, the SRM seems to indicate that it does+ >>>support it, but I have not tried it yet.3 >>>hope this helps >>>bob  ! >OVMS seems to run fine in PC164.h   >regards >         Osmo Kujalas -- s; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:09:37 GMTt% From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.comi, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?) Message-ID: <8pq4k9$3v2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  * In article <8po7mj$akf$1@lisa.gemair.com>,2   jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) wrote:, > In article <39BF762C.B40744EF@uk.sun.com>,F > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: > >Jordan Henderson wrote: > >j/ > >> In article <39BE4118.758BC214@uk.sun.com>,1B > >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: > >> >Jordan Henderson wrote:s > >> >1 > >> >> In article <39BE1F7C.2B2B7D4@uk.sun.com>,e > >> >>nE > >> >> >So in reality Compaq now has two TPC-C numbers one is fasterkG > >> >> >than the other but for the bulk of users the slower of the twoe numberst' > >> >> >is the one that they will use. 	 > >> >> >c > >> >>CH > >> >> In reality, how many customers can get anywhere _near_ publishedF > >> >> TPC-C numbers in their real-world applications?  Almost nobodyH > >> >> takes the care and attention to tune and configure the way thoseG > >> >> benchmark systems are.  In the real world, requirements are tooTA > >> >> fluid, configurations dictated more by delivery dates and 8 > >> >> project schedules to produce ideal environments. > >> >>l > >> >B > >> >Well done you got there. You see thats the whole point TPC-CD > >> >represents a pinnacle of performance for OLTP which in generalC > >> >real applications don't acheive. You only need to look at thenB > >> >TPC-C and Oracle applications benchmark results to see this. > >> >A > >> >This is the reason why the OPS in a box scheme used for theo> > >> >GS320 benchmark is such a pointless excercise because it@ > >> >magnifies the ratio of what you can acheive with TPC-C and< > >> >what you shoould expect to get with real applications. > >> > > >>= > >> You're a real piece of work.  You have been lecturing usa> > >> on how TPC benchmarks show the REAL story (not CPU speed,= > >> or floating point or anything else) and now, when Compaqg> > >> produces such a benchmark that is world-beating, you pick > >> at it for some detail.o > >> > >n9 > >No Jordan that not what I said. I said the the furthere2 > >you move away from just integer CPU performance0 > >benchmarks epitomised by SPECint towards real5 > >applications the less competative the AlphaServerss > >get in terms of performance.t > >p > >On that basis you get
 > >SPECint> > >            Set of memory/cache resident integer benchmarks( > >            AlphaServers do this well > >TPC-C clustered> > >            Set of simple OLTP queries using any middleware( > >            you like and a 3GL clientB > >            AlphaServers do OK at this but still don't come out3 > >            as the price or performance leaders.s, > >TPC-C single system single DBMS instance.> > >            Set of simple OLTP queries using any middleware. > >            you like and a 3GL based client- > >            AlphaServers do this less wellt > >Oracle Apps/SAP SDm? > >            Much more complex set of queries with no choices > > >            over middleware database architecture or client) > >            AlphaServers do this badlys > > A > >With SPECint being the simplest, and least good for predictinge; > >system performance and with Oracle Apps/SAP SD being thes@ > >best for predicting actual applications performance. So which; > >do you want a system that does really well on benchmarks = > >that are very poor predictors of the actual performance ofg9 > >the bulk of the applications running on a system, or aoC > >system that does well running the actual applications themselvese > >u > 7 > Well, I've never seen you explain it this way before.h4 > I think you just jump around to whatever benchmark9 > you think can show that Suns make Alphas look badly on.t6 > So, today, it's Oracle Apps/SAP SD.  One by one, the4 > AlphaServers are catching up and knocking down the) > Sun benchmarks, maybe these are next...n >a7 > However, I think you are not correct above.  A lot ofs7 > real world customers will want top performance out of ; > their Oracle database server, even if it requires them tot8 > run OPS, in which case, AlphaServers are looking great: > and better all the time.  Certainly, overall Oracle Apps1 > performance will benefit from excellent backendh > Oracle Server performance. >nE > >And in case you missed the point, the real issue is that some NUMAlB > >systems require much more tuning to get the same performance as
 equivalentD > >UMA systems, but most of these performance tuning tricks are only available toE > >you if you are running TPC-C, they are not available to you if you) areaC > >running SAP. For example because the applications vendor may notmG > >allow you to use something like OPS which was the basis of your NUMAr > >TPC-C result. > >  >uC > It's not nearly as one dimensional as you'd have us believe.  NotlC > everyone is running SAP.  Not many eBusiness systems run SAP, for D > example.  Many people (like the DOE) run systems that require highD > SpecFP, also.  There are broad classes of applications that Alphas# > are just going to win hands down.o >i > >- > >>; > >> As I said before, if there's some failing in the TPC-Ce; > >> benchmark, please, go argue it with the TPC, but leave-< > >> us alone.  We're tired of your shifting claims and your > >> tireless spinning.> > >> > >R; > >There is, its well known and that was one of the reasonss7 > >why TPC-E was developed, sadly some vendors who will@; > >remain nameless did not want to have to spend more moneyn: > >to run TPC-E (it would have been more costly to run) it? > >also would not necessarely have favoured fast but relativelyl* > >unsophisticated DBMS's like SQL-Server. > >p >m< > Hmmm... Microsoft doesn't represent a majority of the TPC.; > If they had, their earlier TPC clustered numbers wouldn'tm > have been invalidated. >b: > Sounds like more whining to me.  Now, Sun can't claim as< > good Oracle DBMS performance so you suddenly say the tests
 > are unfair.  >b > >>? > >> >This is because most people either can't use OPS in a box'= > >> >or won't for solid reasons to do with skills costs etc.w > >> > > >>< > >> Gee.  I guess people who want world beating performance' > >> can't be expected to pay for it...2 > >> > >9C > >But thats the whole point isn't it. The performance is not worldRB > >beating. Compaq are third behind Sun and IBM for single systems
 > >TPC-C TPM.t >e= > You are the one who is insisting that we attempt to comparea= > similar systems.  I guess I didn't specify up above (sorry)t= > that what I meant was world beating Oracle performance, andn > it is, undeniably that.  >o< > In fact, the Sun Oracle8i figures are anemic by comparison% > and cost nearly twice as much tpmC!e > > > >            Nor is it cheap the Sun for example is cheaper.G > >So you are suggesting that people should spend more money on a GS320nB > >to get slower performance and also end up with a system that at
 least from> > >a DBMS standpoint has a much much bigger TCO and which most) > >applications vendors will not support.t > >s >l? > No, they will spend their money on GS320 to get faster Oraclef@ > DBMS performance, with a much better tpmC than Sun can provide > on Oracle. >e > >Why should they bother ?? >i; > Because they want to run Oracle and they require the best- > performance? >  > >  > >1 > >>A > >> Of course, if customers want real low-cost price/performancer= > >> wining DBMS performance that is relatively easy to field : > >> and inexpensive to operate, then they might go with a= > >> Wintel solution.  There are different prices to pay, but @ > >> these are the kinds of solutions for people who find Oracle$ > >> Parallel Server so frightening. > >>8 > >> Good thing that Compaq can help them out with this. > >> > > 5 > >But not a good thing for OpenVMS customers !!!!!!!e > >o >A@ > Perhaps not, perhaps so.  Certainly, it's not a good thing for7 > Sun customers !!!!!!!!!!  Compaq has made a long termr9 > commitment to OpenVMS customers and still makes healthy=> > profits from that market.  What's good for Compaq ultimately= > may be what's good for OpenVMS and OpenVMS customers.  It's ' > certainly bad news for Sun customers.  >=; > So, we've established that Compaq has a complete range of=9 > solutions.  Those with a tiny tpmC (1:5 vs. the big tpm @ > record holders) for the broad majority of the computing market: > that doesn't require a massive investment.  And, if your; > application requires top SpecINT/FP performance (science/S< > modelling applications), you can go with high end systems.= > And, if, you are like MOST DBMS customers, you want Oracle,o9 > and you want the absolute best performance, you can gete > that from Compaq also. >e
 > >Regards > >Andrew Harrison > >Enterprise IT Architect > >c > >  > >M >* > -Jordan Hendersonu > jordan@greenapple.com  >M Hi,   G The Alpha GS series seems to be doing well in both Oracle Apps, and SAPu
 SD benchmarksi  < http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/sap/sap2tcs.html  = http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/Oracle/stand.html-      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2000 07:31:42 GMT  From: inwap@best.com (Joe Smith)4 Subject: Re: Jupiter (was Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?)- Message-ID: <8ppusu$1id6$1@nntp1.ba.best.com>l  G In article <8po1nq$m7a$3@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:01 >In article <B5E3A85D.8BAF%gcs@s054.aone.net.au>,o& >   Mark nospam@garetech.com.au wrote:D >>   vir address 30 bits is not a problem all the pointers in memoryD >>had room for 30 bits go look. At the phy lvl the core page pointerG >>only has room for 27 bit phy with out modifying the old format bits  .F >>18-22 in KL MBZ. The problem is how TOPS now deals with 4096 sectionE >>pointers in UPT/EPT. XKL went for some method using "Super Section"a6 >>pointers in UPT/EPT and a second lvl of indirection. >P8 >Then when did the effective address calculation happen?8 >Now I wish I'd paid more attention to what Jim did when" >he messed with extended sections.  B Extended sections did not change when the EA calculation was done.  3 Here's a quote from the Processor Reference Manual:    			PLEASE READ THISc; 	The calculation of E is the first step in the execution of > 	every instruction.  No other action taken by any instruction,= 	no matter what it is, can possibly precede that calculation.m; 	There is absolutely nothing whatsover that any instructionV= 	can do to any accumulator or memory location that can in anyd2 	way affect its own effective address calculation.  A In particular, <AOJA T1,@MEM(T1)> will add one to accumulator T1, A then jump to the effective address that was previously calculatedl  using the former contents of T1.  B It also means that the 30-bit effective address calculation occurs9 before instruction decode starts.  (Section zero or not.)R  F Remember, the KL has a 30-bit virtual address space.  A 30-bit address is calculated by using*   1) the current PC with an 18-bit offset,+   2) a 35-bit (positive) index register, or=2   3) by using a 1+1+4+30 bit global indirect word.  F The 30 bits are a 18-bit offset and a 12-bit section number.  But onlyC sections 0-37 and 7777 have any meaning.  If I understand page 1-278F correctly, then a 30-bit address of 41,,777777 was treated the same asA an address of 1,,777777 - but any reference to section 7777 wouldmE get a page fault, regardless of whether section 37 was mapped or not.e  B As Mark@garetech wrote, the main question is "how does the CPU useI the UPT/EPT to translate a 30-bit virtual address to a physical address?"-D XKL uses bits 6-8 to select one of 8 super-section pointers from theJ UPT/EPT, then bits 9-17 to select one of 512 sections from a super-sectionD page map, then the usual 9 bits of page within section and 9 bits of word within page.n   	-JoeM   --8 See http://www.inwap.com/ for PDP-10 and "ReBoot" pages.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:57:28 +08005 From: Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> ! Subject: Re: LAT printer servers? 7 Message-ID: <rjqu2bjwdtz.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>8  * Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:  9 > Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> writes: 8 > > You don't know the pinoput on the DB37 do you Terry? > I >   Not off the top of my head, and most of my DEC documentation has been J > given away. It's the same as the DMF32, LPV11-SA, and other widgets that! > drive LP11's and have the DB37.0 > H >   If it's vital and you can't find the info elsewhere, let me know and > I'll try to dig it out.   C Yeah, all my old cable info was lost years ago, including an LPV-11)? printset :(  If you can find the DB37 info, it would help lots.0  H ( I even bought a Vax 6000... Everything was there EXCEPT the DMF cable!	 Argh... )    -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:47:25 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>4 Subject: Re: Pointers for VMS 7.2 upgrade procedure.I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009141046190.4268-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>     On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, JMan wrote:  . +I need to upgrade my VS3100 from V6.1 to 7.2. +lA +3. The system has license PAKs on it. Would any of these need to  +changed or upgraded as well?-  D  The only I can remember is VAXCLUSTER, where changes to VMSCLUSTER.    Regards - Gotfryd   -- 0E =====================================================================eF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEr. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================9   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:30:22 GMTt From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uku> Subject: Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation0 Message-ID: <39c09a06.6700264@usenet.force9.net>  @ On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:13:18 GMT, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote:  ; >I am having problems reading some of the web-based openvmst= >documentation.  Many of the pages are truncated (ie. The endh@ >of the pages are missing).  We have tried through two different$ >ISP's with exactly the same result.  B Thanks for all the help.  After checking again with the second ISPD it DOES work (The person who checked it for me the first time forgotC to clear their browser cache!).  Our Sysadmin is now talking to ourP# ISP to (hopefully) fix the problem.    Thanks,I    
 Mark Williamse http://www.techop.co.ukp   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:35:19 -050091 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>.> Subject: Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation8 Message-ID: <8pr21s$m12$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  G I just looked at the page referenced from an NT workstation w/ Explorer2 v5.5xxxe   No problems as you describe.   Dave...r  * <mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk> wrote in message* news:39bf526d.7626075@usenet.force9.net... > Hi,  >b< > I am having problems reading some of the web-based openvms> > documentation.  Many of the pages are truncated (ie. The endA > of the pages are missing).  We have tried through two different % > ISP's with exactly the same result.a >' > For example the page> > http://www.openvms.digital.com/doc/72final/6136/6136pro.html >> > ends like this >e > "<p>F > If you need help deciding which documentation best meets your needs," > call 800-DIGITAL (800-344-4825). > 0 > <h2><font color=maroon>Conventions</font></h2> >> > <p>hD > VMScluster systems are now referred to as OpenVMS Cluster systems.. > Unless otherwise specified, references to O" >-& > Is anyone else getting this problem? >8 > TIAc >n > Mark Williamso > http://www.techop.co.uks   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:06:21 +0100 - From: "Alan Potter" <alan_potter@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: RTR and DECdtm-/ Message-ID: <8ppthk$ben$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>-  $ <richard_maher@my-deja.com> wrote...
 > Hi Alan, >mH > Good to see that your alive and well. Sad to see that you're no longerH > on DECdtm and even sadder that you're not on VMS! Still, it seems I'veD > managed to assemble a TIP development team and I won't even charge > Compaq agency fees :-) >BI > I know you think that I'm wasting my time as we've all done in the pastkG > but I *can't* leave VMS and I know that nothing will do more to shore4> > up the existing client base than TIP, let alone allow VMS toF > participate in a mainstream future. What's more, I don't know of anyC > reason/excuse for not upgrading DECdtm that hasn't been debunked.    Richard,  J Nice to chat again too.  But I'd like to correct an incorrect impression IL may have given; not only am I not working on VMS any more, I have nothing at all to do with Compaq either.   I If you're interested in hearing about firmware resident inside single-boxn+ mobile phone testers, though, I'm your man!r   regards, /alant   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 17:26:59 +08005 From: Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>.' Subject: Re: Running NetHack on OpenVMST7 Message-ID: <rjqpum7wcgs.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>   4 "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:  M > I've gotten the latest version of Nethack, V3.3.1 and have it running on mywJ > main server (hey, what can I say, it's a hobbyist cluster).  Anyway I'veO > been enjoying playing it but have found one major problem.  What keystroke am L > I supposed to use as the "Meta" character so I can issue certain commands? > 	 > 			Zane  >    #y   as in #prayo  ? lots if your used to 3.2. 3.3 is judt enough different that youx3 are really good at reading your obit for some time.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.p@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:42:15 GMTu From: arcarlini@iee.orgr6 Subject: Re: Searching for DECnet-Plus Source Listings) Message-ID: <8pqh32$hc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>I  7 In article <968832063.793232@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>,C-   Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> wrote:C? > Antonio Carlini (arcarlini@iee.org), who is, IIRC, one of theeG > designers of DECnet-Plus, posted somewhat about source listings, so I   > I didn't design any of it - as I recall they did that before I ever turned up.   C > >   Working with OpenVMS Product Management, (potentially) yes...t > E > What does this mean? How to "work with OpenVMS Product Management"?   B Find the product manager's name and send an email request I guess.? I don't know if that person has changed since I left but if you < cannot find out any other way, send me mail and I'll pass on
 a message.   >u> > BTW: what is the reason of burning the source listings of an> > obsolete-since-VMS-V62-product instead of a newer and better$ > product-of-those-days on a 7.1 CD? >o  F But DECnet Phase-IV isn't obsolete ... it still gets built (I presume)? as part of the master OpenVMS build ... just like (for example)t? clustering support gets built. It's still there so the listingso still ship.t   Antonios     Antonio Carlinii    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:15:51 GMTe, From: SANFACE Software <sanface@sanface.com>  Subject: Shareware - txt2pdf 4.0( Message-ID: <8pq1fa$l7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>  6  txt2pdf is a very flexible and powerful PERL5 program@ (5 penguins at LinuxBerg, 5 cows at TuCows Mac, BeOS and PSION).5 It's a converter from text files to PDF format files.  Why do you need txt2pdf?% Most of your documents are text files F Usually, your reports from legacy applications, DBs, ERP applications, datawarehouse are textualrG txt2pdf is a PERL5 script, so you can use it in every operating systems  supported by PERL5,o: if you prefer we distribute also executables for these OS: Windows,Linux,Solaris,G AIX,HP-UX,FreeBSD. Inside the Windows version a VB GUI (Visual txt2pdf)q= txt2pdf is a native converter, you don't need to pass throughi PostScript formatt2 txt2pdf is specific for text to PDF conversion, soC you can mark coloured (using PERL regular expression) frases in thef produced PDF filesF you can mark bold, italic, bolditalic frases in the produced PDF files% you can add page number in every pagee> you can add text at the beginning and at the end of every file" you can add a border to every page; every word like http://... ftp://... mailto:... https://...o. file:... ldap:... news:...  will become an URL> you can create a link to a specific page within a PDF document http://...pdfdocument#pdfmarkwC every word like mime:... will become a link that launch the correctn application and opens the file, you can use background and foreground layersG every predefined encodings, supported by the PDF format, is supported +o the Unix default! txt2pdf supports STDIN and STDOUTp  the fee for every licence is $85C SANFACE Software is going to give you a free licence for every good  idea or for every good modifyb   txt2pdf is shareware5 The txt2pdf source code is our company core business.i
 We trust you. $ You can test text2pdf and modify it.E You can't use a modify version of txt2pdf for production purpose. YouR+ can't resell txt2pdf or a modify version ofe* it without SANFACE Software authorization.C You can't copy part of it to include in your source without SANFACEv Software authorization.    What's new in this version  D colour file feature: with a configuration file you can mark coloured1 (every colour you want using the rgb PDF syntax),e? using PERL regular expression, frases in the produced PDF filesaE fontmark file feature: with a configuration file you can mark bold orw5 italic or bolditalic frases in the produced PDF filesoG cols, columns2 and allowinparse aren't supported with the new 4 versione New fee: $85 FreeBSD executable version; Visual txt2pdf: a VB GUI for the Windows executable versiont   Test txt2pdf 4.0! ) You can find it at http://www.sanface.comk     -- SANFACE Software= Your technology glasses. We help you see your full potential.n http://www.sanface.com mailto:sanface@sanface.com# WAP     http://www.sanface.com/wap/n! i-mode  http://www.sanface.com/i/R    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:27:59 +0100mB From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39C0FC8F.72DD9A88@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:  q > In article <39BCB3DD.F5B832EB@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  > > Rob Young wrote: >n > >e5 > > You then quote an E420R problem fine, but did thee< > > customer take Sun's advice on changing their environment: > > yes or no. The article you posted does not say and you > > don't know do you. > >u >b@ >         Maybe Sun's suggestion is unreasonable if the customerA >         in question can't do it.  If all the other equipment intD >         the room is operating fine and the Sun box keeps crashing,G >         the people at IQ4Hire must think Sun is either:  1) insane ory6 >         2) makes crappy equipment.  Choose 1) or 2). >c  C There you go again jumping to conclusions. The article says nothings> about other equipment so you have no idea if this is a machine: room completely full of Sun's or full of a mix of systems.  ; So untill you know this your 1) 2) options are hardly wortht discussing are they !!   Regardse Andrew Harrisonu Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 14:41:50 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <it4Ji8AlZfVA@eisner.decus.org>p  o In article <39C0FC8F.72DD9A88@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:t > Rob Young wrote: > r >> In article <39BCB3DD.F5B832EB@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: >> > Rob Young wrote:s >> >> >6 >> > You then quote an E420R problem fine, but did the= >> > customer take Sun's advice on changing their environmentu; >> > yes or no. The article you posted does not say and youd >> > don't know do you.a >> > >>A >>         Maybe Sun's suggestion is unreasonable if the customer B >>         in question can't do it.  If all the other equipment inE >>         the room is operating fine and the Sun box keeps crashing, H >>         the people at IQ4Hire must think Sun is either:  1) insane or7 >>         2) makes crappy equipment.  Choose 1) or 2).o >> > - > There you go again jumping to conclusions. E  ? 	No.  There you are again grasping for straws.  I'm just taking @ 	what other Sun spokespeople are telling us.  You may get by for; 	a while tweeking environmentals but it really is an ecache > 	issue.  That's why Gartner is so hard on this issue.  Perhaps5 	in the advisory update we will see stronger languagea9 	like:  "Don't let Sun kid you, it isn't an environmentalo
 	issue."     > = > So untill you know this your 1) 2) options are hardly worth  > discussing are they !! >   7 	Hmmmm.  I'm detecting a bit of testiness on your part.e= 	Growing a bit weary?  Hey.. speaking of discussing.  Why not14 	touch the thread below?  Cat got your tongue there?    o In article <39BE3E15.796D50BD@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:i   > A > The bottom line is that as OpenVMS customers should be acutelly G > aware people like Gartner need to sell their reports to customers andyK > good news does not sell reports any more than good news sells newspapers.  > F > Gartner have a view, which I do not agree with and neither does MetaH > one of the other major analysts who in the origional article said thatG > according to their clients there was a problem earlier this year thate  > but that it has now gone away. >  >   ? 	The bottom line is you are clueless and aren't even in contactsE 	with your handler(s) to even get the company line out there clearly.o  D 	Hope they hear about your inane blathering.  Inane?  Sure... Again,I 	you are clueless regarding what your employer's spokespeople are saying.    >>N >> My understanding (please correct me if I am in error here) that none of theI >> datacenters in question were operating outside of the recommended highu4 >> temperature ranges of the vendor recommendations. >> > D > Your understanding was and is incorrect. I have already replied to@ > another persons posting with the example of the customer who IG > am working for who has one datacenter which was outside the operating ! > temperature range for the E10K.e >   > 	But it really isn't an environmental issue.  See below before
 	you blather.t   >>O >> The issue here is that, in some cases (not all - based on reports here), Sun J >> appears to have found a workaround to the cache problem by lowering the! >> temperature in the datacenter.i >> > D > Interesting spin. What would Compaqs position be if a customer ran@ > their GS140's in a datacenter that was say 30C and the machineA > failed with say a CPU failure. Would you say the workarround to2> > your CPU failure is to reduce your datacenter temperature to< > 28C or below or would you say the CPU failure was probablyF > caused by the datacenter being run outside the operating temperature > range of the GS140 ????????e > F > None of this of course alters the fact that you don't appear to know@ > enough about the environmental requirements for your own boxesC > to be passing comment on Sun's HP's (tighter than Sun's) and IBM.t > = > Incedentally you never bothered to tell me who you get youra > ecache from. >   ; 	It isn't an environmental issue.  Contact your handler, hee< 	may let you know what senior managment is telling the press2 	that has suddenly discovered this "old news" ;-):  H http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-2752389.html?tag=st.ne.1002.bgif.ni   Sun's problems  N Sun has the top sales in this crowded market, but it's having its own share of
 problems.   N The brains of the new Sun top-end products, the UltraSparc III "Cheetah" chip,K were originally due at the end of 1999, and Sun's current servers have been?P suffering from memory problems that cause the machines to unexpectedly restart.   L Sun spokesman Doug van Aman confirmed the memory problems, which surfaced inO analyst reports from Gartner and Meta Group. The problems first were noticed in G high-end E10000 servers but have been observed in other models as well,d including the E4500 and E6500. n  G The problem was that under some circumstances, ones and zeros stored inlE high-speed "cache" memory could change state, causing the computer toh$ unexpectedly reboot, van Aman said.   O Sometimes the problem was ameliorated by lowering the temperature of the server J environment, but the problem still happened more often than specifications should have permitted. ,  G Sun has released "scrubber software" that that helps compensate for the- problem, the company said. :     > 	It's not an environmental problem.  It is a memory problem as* 	confirmed by Sun spokesman Doug van Aman.  D 	Andrew.... you really should contact your handler ASAP!!!  And also0 	find a chalk or whiteboard and write 100 times:  9 		"It really isn't an environmental issue, it is a memoryl
 		 issue."  . 	As related to us by various Sun spokespeople.     				Robg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:41:52 +0100h0 From: Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com>  Subject: To VMS From SCO/Solaris, Message-ID: <39C0C790.B6A4BFB7@jpmorgan.com>    Hi , is there a VMS FAQ at all ?  @ Also I'm coming from a Unix background ( mainly Unixware, bit ofH Solaris, bit of Linux ) and if anyone has any advice it would be greatly% appreciated ( no daftness please ! ).-  G The type of task I'm doing is software development , editing using LSE.a   Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:29:04 -0500D* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris- Message-ID: <0033000004453166000002L062*@MHS>m  # =0AHi , is there a VMS FAQ at all ?t  @ Also I'm coming from a Unix background ( mainly Unixware, bit ofH Solaris, bit of Linux ) and if anyone has any advice it would be greatl= yx% appreciated ( no daftness please ! ).l  H The type of task I'm doing is software development , editing using LSE.=     Thanks in advance.        The Official URL is:e  .      ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/dec-faq/vms        WWWebb=   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:30:08 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)-$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris* Message-ID: <8pqjt0$f55$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <39C0C790.B6A4BFB7@jpmorgan.com>,2 Robert Taylor  <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> wrote:! >Hi , is there a VMS FAQ at all ?. >>  - Welcome to OpenVMS!  The FAQ can be found at:N  8   http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  A >Also I'm coming from a Unix background ( mainly Unixware, bit ofeI >Solaris, bit of Linux ) and if anyone has any advice it would be greatlys& >appreciated ( no daftness please ! ).  A If you are a vi user, I would recommend the VILE editor availablet here:s  (   ftp://ftp.phred.org/pub/vile/vile.html  @ But, seeing as you are doing software development using LSE, I'd@ recommend that you immerse yourself into that environment rather$ than try to straddle the two worlds.  3 David Mathog has some good introductory pages here:t  2   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/www/vms_sheet.html:   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/www/vms_beginners_faq.html  A A lot of good resources can be found in the FAQ referenced above.y   >.H >The type of task I'm doing is software development , editing using LSE. >g >Thanks in advance.  >c  < Anybody else notice that we're seeing more and more of these4 kinds of requests here?  OpenVMS Renaissance anyone?   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.comt   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 12:10:44 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen).$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris+ Message-ID: <gkyUrUoAu+gj@eisner.decus.org>   _ In article <39C0C790.B6A4BFB7@jpmorgan.com>, Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> writes:m" > Hi , is there a VMS FAQ at all ? > B > Also I'm coming from a Unix background ( mainly Unixware, bit ofJ > Solaris, bit of Linux ) and if anyone has any advice it would be greatly' > appreciated ( no daftness please ! ).h > I > The type of task I'm doing is software development , editing using LSE.p  C One general piece of advice I give to people coming from Unix is toeE consult the official documentation (for LSE in this case).  My belief D is that Unix must have a tradition of less documentation, because soD many of the people who come from Unix do not have a natural tendency to look for the documentation.  @ In the case of LSE you will find it either in hardcopy or on theB Consolidated Distribution (Software Library) CD-ROMs in Bookreader@ format.  While the base operating system documentation is mostlyA available in HTML, the layered products have not made that changeg in most cases.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:12:30 GMTr$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris) Message-ID: <39C0F911.87C0DDBA@wi.rr.com>    Robert:.   I've got some advice for you: @ Turn around and go back.  There's no future in learning anything about developing on VMS.  > Invest your time in staying current with Unix and then pick up; Micro$oft-related knowledge when you can.  It'll definitelya. keep food on your table and gas in your Viper.  % "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here"s or something like that   -Scott   Robert Taylor wrote:  " > Hi , is there a VMS FAQ at all ? >lB > Also I'm coming from a Unix background ( mainly Unixware, bit ofJ > Solaris, bit of Linux ) and if anyone has any advice it would be greatly' > appreciated ( no daftness please ! )., >oI > The type of task I'm doing is software development , editing using LSE.  >e > Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 13:14:40 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)@$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris* Message-ID: <8pr120$s03$1@lisa.gemair.com>  ) In article <39C0F911.87C0DDBA@wi.rr.com>, & Scott Vieth  <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote: >Robert: >e >I've got some advice for you:A >Turn around and go back.  There's no future in learning anythingg >about developing on VMS.h >d? >Invest your time in staying current with Unix and then pick upP< >Micro$oft-related knowledge when you can.  It'll definitely/ >keep food on your table and gas in your Viper.n > & >"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" >or something like thatu >.  # Bad advice for a number of reasons.e  G First, it's self-fulfilling.  If everyone felt this way about VMS, then " it certainly would have no future.  @ Second, I don't think it's true that you can't learn anything.  ? Even if (and I don't give you this at all) there's no future to-B VMS, I think that the exposure to the well engineered VMS systems ; can only help you in every aspect of a professional career.p  B Last, I see that Mr. Taylor posts from jpmorgan.com.  It's pretty ? clear to me that he's endeavoring into the VMS world as part of A a work assignment.  I don't know about you, but I've always hatedoC working with Prima Donna's who refuse to work on a given assignment0A or technology solely for career strategic reasons.  A team playerj@ picks up an unwanted assignment and makes it into an example of 2 what can be done when you have the right attitude.   >-Scott  >p >Robert Taylor wrote:  >s# >> Hi , is there a VMS FAQ at all ?s >>C >> Also I'm coming from a Unix background ( mainly Unixware, bit ofdK >> Solaris, bit of Linux ) and if anyone has any advice it would be greatly ( >> appreciated ( no daftness please ! ). >>J >> The type of task I'm doing is software development , editing using LSE. >> >> Thanks in advance.  >P >5 >  >y   -Jordan Hendersont jordan@greenapple.comt   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Sep 2000 14:40:40 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)a; Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharingt, Message-ID: <8pqo18$19b3$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  + In article <39c0121e.46402967@news.mv.com>,R3  djlong@wild_wizards.net (David J. P. Long) writes:l |> oI |> The problem arises when the following questions don't all have perfecta |> answers:m |> n: |> - Does the DSL provider allow more than one IP address?= |> - What if the DSL 'modem' you quote above isn't supported?d |>  E |> And, of course, it's perfectly reasonable to expect a small ISP to.B |> have expertise in only handling Wintel or Mac boxes as clients.  C As much as people here hate to hear the "U" word, this is a problem.A easily solved with a $100 386 box running FreeBSD.   No keyboard,nA no monitor, a minimum of RAM.  The kind you find in flea markets.dC I did it for a couple years with a dialup connection, and now do itn@ with a cable modem.  It took only minor configuration changes toB move from one to the other.  The box itself sits in the cellar andB and I never even have to go near it.  And, unlike a Windows box, IC can say with total confidence that it will work perfectly well withtF VMS hosts on the network because what you build will bear a remarkableB likeness to the majority of commercial routers being sold for many thousands more dollars.t   bill S   -- SJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:02:26 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)( Subject: Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer+ Message-ID: <Ia9jQa2Z54AV@eisner.decus.org>e  Z In article <vyzzAfu5JJ9i@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:Y > In article <39be92e9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:aC >> I have followed the instructions (to the best of my knowlege) atf >> oF >> 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/pdf_viewer.html >> uO >> to install the ADOBE Acrobat Viewer on my Alpha (V7.2-1, JAVA V1.1.8-5, ...)/I >> I can run InstallAnywhere and it produces the .JAR files, but startingjK >> the viewer (with or without a PDF File parameter) always leads to a hang- >> (of the process). >> 1  D    OK, did the install, followed the instructions, no problems.  The6    instructions do include fixing the file attributes.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 09:13:13 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)( Subject: Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer+ Message-ID: <3f6L3w9lpYf5@eisner.decus.org>   a In article <8po5ib$gph@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:h\ > In article <vyzzAfu5JJ9i@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  O >>   Comparing this with jvc under Windows, (what good are error messages with uD >>   line numbers when the editor doesn't have a goto-line command?) > I > All the editors that I know of provide some way to jump to a particular  > line number.  ?    Try Notepad under Windows (actually the DOS EDIT does have amB    goto-line function, but its not a lot of fun guessing which 9.33    filename corresponds to which real source file).u  F    Actually I suspect I could use my old Borland C++ IDE to edit Java,&    I'd just rather use my TPU section.  = >   The GUI debugger, on the other hand, could definitely uset > some work related to this.  F    Which GUI debugger are you using?  Where did you get it?  What does
    it run on?    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.515 ************************