1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 15 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 516       Contents:) $99 per month Long Distance- NO SWITCHING  Re: 2 questions s'il vous plait  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link  Double Your Downline2 Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?2 Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody? Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Hobbyist Cluster? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?  Re: LAT printer servers? Looking For a Second Income... Re: MAIL and SMTP  new directions5 Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation  Re: Running NetHack on OpenVMS0 System node identifier and cluster configuration4 Re: System node identifier and cluster configuration, TCPIP restart needed for secondary interface Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris 2 Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharing W W W.NETWORKS.DIGITAL.COM5 WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 9 Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 5 Yahoo! Invite: )))OUR BIZ + YOUR BIZ = ALOT OF $$$(((   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:47:49 -0500 (EST)  From: FlatRate@20003.com2 Subject: $99 per month Long Distance- NO SWITCHING$ Message-ID: <273921562@MVB.SAIC.COM>  ( I love my New Flat Rate Long Distance.   It's only $99 per month   5 You can even get it free for referring a few people.  = I never have to pay long distance again after ONLY 3 weeks.   A My service is crystal clear !  I didn't have to switch carriers.  9 I just dial a 888 number, then the number I want to call.   2 The company providing this service is 4 years old. They have never missed a check. - They will turn your FLAT RATE on in 4 days!!!    I am very satisfied!  : To get your $99 Flat Rate Long Distance or to get it FREE, send an email to     Flat-Rate-Long-Dist.@excite.com  Flat-Rate-Long-Dist.@excite.com  Flat-Rate-Long-Dist.@excite.com   * Just use your phone number as the subject.    S To be removed from future mailings, just reply with remove as your subject.  Thanks           ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:12:27 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: 2 questions s'il vous plait- Message-ID: <39C15B5B.24791F53@tsoft-inc.com>    tim obrien wrote:  >  > greetings to all!  > B > i'm one of the silent "lurkers" of this group(until now) for the> > past 5 months. (sometimes its a real drag to get 150 or more> > messages from here on moday mornings- but i read/scan avidlyB > through everything).and those who argue here for arguments sake,= > need to find full time "demanding" VMS jobs! (no, not Sun!) A > Many thanks to those who give out DCL examples for whatever the < > reason! and special kudos to those few who have a sense of< > humor, be they "down under", UK, Canada or here in my USA,? > please accept my heartfelt thanks. my questions are: (i could : > call Compaq support (we have an active contract) and get@ > "knocked down/humiliated" for being the total ignoramus that i7 > am) but i'm doing it here because this is, well, fun?   L If you have a support contract, do not hesitate to call Compaq.  You will beP treated courteously, and when possible your questions will be answered.  This is$ their job, and most do it very well.  
 > yea, i'm< > a super-jumped up" operator turned overnight into a junior@ > admin. without the knowledge/ experience/degree etc. in charge> > of a  Alpha/7.2-1 with (pls don't enlighten what some of you? > have already declared!) exabyte tape drives. i'm told to make @ > copies of old data that resides on (Voice- MP120) tapes. these> > are  non-data tapes, and i'm able to restore them to dka200:@ > using a simple backup com file and then back them up to a moreB > modern exabyte tape drive, using  8mm  112/5g  data tapes. works= > just fine. so after about 20 of these restore/ backups(this B > ancient exabyte drive takes some 55 minutes to restore-plenty ofB > comp.os reading time!) i ran into a tape that has non-valid ansi= > format error (won't mount).   Can this be read in any, way, > > shape  or form to my Alpha disk, and (2nd question) wouldn't< > this fail to backup if its original state was non-ansi? my@ > predecessor was using vms 6.2 to do the backups. i looked into= > "ask the wizard" and other Compaq/VMS sites for pointers. i B > think its a "lost" data cause, so please confirm this. thanks in
 > advance.  O It's probably a bad tape.  But, I'd try a cleaning tape, and another tape drive I before giving up.  VMS backup is rather good at getting data off marginal N tapes.  If it's the drive that won't accept the tape, then it's a bit tougher.  J How important is the data?  There are data recovery people who can performO wonders.  It will cost.  Figure out what the data is worth, and get some prices  from the data recovery people.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:14:34 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>  Subject: Re: DEC business LinkG Message-ID: <Kkaw5.14610$6f1.595839@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   < Oh man!   Why do I even try to keep Compaq gear at our site?  D By the way, I was finally able to get a a price for a GS80 the otherB day.  After asking various sources for months, I finally found outA that the price had not yet been released.  I still don't know why @ nobody told me that.  I only heard that they would get back with( me, but they never did (till last week).  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 0 news:8pqp3j$odu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > > > In article <39C00CA3.A2D769E7@wi.rr.com.nospam>, Scott Vieth! <svieth@wi.rr.com.nospam> writes: . > :It has moved to www.businesslink.compaq.com > K >   BusinessLink is (unfortunately) shutting down at the end of this month, K >   with no good replacement for customers -- resellers will have access to I >   pricing information (via CPN or CompaqConnect), but no general access G >   to Compaq pricing (list or otherwise) will apparently be available.  > C >   [I have requested that this shutdown not happen until a general  replacement G >   is available -- I do not know what (if any) effect my request (or a  request J >   I know of from a current BusinessLink customer) will have, of course.] > , >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:01:55 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  Subject: Re: DEC business LinkO Message-ID: <852A6C8DB1DC84F3.6C08AB7AF7B8A8CE.C81F850C02F474D3@lp.airnews.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >  > In article <y4hf7j6jmi.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:7 > :hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  > : R > :>   [I have requested that this shutdown not happen until a general replacementR > :>   is available -- I do not know what (if any) effect my request (or a requestM > :>   I know of from a current BusinessLink customer) will have, of course.]  > : P > :Good luck. It does seem that Compaq has been infected with DEC's malmarketingO > :syndrome permanently. (What, an e-buisness supplier that can't provide vital O > :information via the 'net? What will we have next - access to customer record 1 > :details via http or a similar security lapse?)  > G >   If you have strong feelings on this issue, please email them to the ? >   appropriate (high-level) folks.  See the FAQ for addresses.     F Well, I was going to send a message, but I couldn't find the addresses in the FAQ.   6 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  ? BTW: I did notice that DECW13 has [CTRL/F] where it should have 
 [CTRL/F2].  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 19:26:08 -0500- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu>  Subject: Re: DEC business Link0 Message-ID: <w53itry7b6n.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  1 Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:    > Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > > I > >   If you have strong feelings on this issue, please email them to the A > >   appropriate (high-level) folks.  See the FAQ for addresses.  >  > H > Well, I was going to send a message, but I couldn't find the addresses > in the FAQ.  > 8 > 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  C Yes, I was looking for that too. I'd be interested to know the best F direction to send a message. It's hard enough buying Compaq gear right now without this added step.  H BTW, as of now, Businesslink is running with no message of any kind thatG it might go away. I guess Compaq were just going to shut it off one day ! and have us wonder what happened?    G. --  I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2000 00:59:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: DEC business Link6 Message-ID: <8prs98$1te$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <w53itry7b6n.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>, Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> writes:2 :Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:  9   Ugh.  Didn't realize this was a post-and-email message.   I :> Well, I was going to send a message, but I couldn't find the addresses  :> in the FAQ.   :>  9 :> 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  : ! :Yes, I was looking for that too.   !   The FAQ section is Intro8, BTW.   I :BTW, as of now, Businesslink is running with no message of any kind that H :it might go away. I guess Compaq were just going to shut it off one day" :and have us wonder what happened?  J   Connect to the website and -- without logging in -- check the "overview")   web page.  (No, it's not easy to find.)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:48:55 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: DEC business Link' Message-ID: <G0wKxJ.F9u@spcuna.spc.edu>   / Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> writes: J > BTW, as of now, Businesslink is running with no message of any kind thatI > it might go away. I guess Compaq were just going to shut it off one day # > and have us wonder what happened?   G   Or perhaps just tell people it's going away and then leave it up? For G fun, try telneting to orders.sales.digital.com - that's the old E-Store J and it's still there. It doesn't offer part number lookup any more, though it did a few months ago.  I   I think it's just plain dumb to discontinue something before there's an 8 equivalent-or-better replacement for all users in place.  H   Since the current Businesslink is a web page, it'll probably turn intoF another "The page cannot be found, but try these other useless/broken  links instead" Compaq page.   - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:31:26 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: DEC business Link' Message-ID: <G0wMwE.Gyq@spcuna.spc.edu>   4 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> writes:L >   Connect to the website and -- without logging in -- check the "overview"+ >   web page.  (No, it's not easy to find.)   H   It's been saying it's going away for years - I know folks from 2 yearsG ago who were told they couldn't get accounts because it was going away. A Is this actually a "new" retirement or the same old "going away"?   - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:36:43 -0500 (EST)  From: Leads@09733.com  Subject: Double Your Downline $ Message-ID: <273919931@MVB.SAIC.COM>  + YOUR DOWNLINE WILL DOUBLE BY NEXT MONTH !!! 4 YOU MUST USE OUR SYSTEM NOW TO DOUBLE YOUR CHECK !!!= WE WILL SUPPLY YOU AND YOUR TEAM WITH UNPARRALED INFORMATION. E YOUR ORGANIZATION WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO GROW FASTER THAN IT IS NOW!    ExplodeMyBusinessNow@excite.com  ExplodeMyBusinessNow@excite.com  ExplodeMyBusinessNow@excite.com   % Put your phone number as the subject. & We will call you as soon as possible .  7 EVERYONE IN YOUR ORGANIZATION WILL RECEIVE EVERY MONTH:   E 20 PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET WHO ARE LOOKING FOR A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY. B THEY HAVE A CREDIT CARD, THEY ARE SERIOUS, AND THEY TELL YOU THIS:  & 1  NAME,  PHONE,  EMAIL,  HOME ADDRESS# 2  HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WANT TO MAKE # 3  WHAT THEY LOOK FOR IN A BUSINESS 2 4  HOW MUCH TIME THEY HAVE TO DEVOTE TO A BUSINESS5 5  WHAT THEY WILL DO WITH THE MONEY WHEN THEY MAKE IT B 6  WHAT THEIR PRIOR EXPERIENCE, IF ANY IN A HOME BASED BUSINESS IS" 7  WHY THEY DID OR DID NOT SUCCEED  K 90% OF THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT NETWORK MARKETERS YET!  THEY ARE LOOKING.  THEY  HAVE A WARM MARKET FOR YOU!   . YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE TO GET THEIR INFORMATION!B YOU GET 20 PEOPLE EVERY MONTH WITHIN HOURS AFTER THEY SUBMIT THEIR INFORMATION   E YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE TEAM WILL CONSISTANTLY PUT AT LEAST 10% INTO YOUR  BUSINESS EVERY MONTH!   G SAY YOU HAVE A DOWNLINE OF 10 PEOPLE, AND THEY ALL USE OUR SYSTEM, EACH I WOULD SPONSOR AT LEAST 2 RIGHT NOW MAKING YOUR GROUP 30 !! AND THAT WOULD F HAPPEN EVERY MONTH AFTER.  THEN, THEY WILL BRING IN THEIR WARM MARKET,K NEXT, PLUG THEM INTO OUR SYSTEM AND MULTIPLY! BY NEXT MONTH YOUR CHECK WILL H DOUBLE !!! 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"   CI --rep.   ? To get started or just to get more information, simply reply to    ExplodeMyBusinessNow@excite.com  ExplodeMyBusinessNow@excite.com  ExplodeMyBusinessNow@excite.com   % Put your phone number as the subject. & We will call you as soon as possible .    H You have been contacted because we believe this information will benefitK you. If you do not wish to receive future mailings, please send an email to  notnetworking@excite.com  ( Thank You and May Your Business Prosper!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:00:27 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ; Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody? , Message-ID: <39C190CA.CA77537@earthlink.net>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > 5 > Actually, you will have better luck with the 264DP.   ' Who makes it, and where can I get them?F   -- S David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/E  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:08:56 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>; Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?-6 Message-ID: <shhw5.272$F93.112524@typhoon.aracnet.com>  6 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >> e6 >> Actually, you will have better luck with the 264DP.  ) > Who makes it, and where can I get them?e  F The question should be, how much will one cost!  I don't think they'reL something a Hobbyist can afford, and Hobbyists are the only ones that should1 be messing with such a unsupported configuration.d   			Zaner   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:23:18 -0500e/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>o& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data pointO Message-ID: <CB9B38F9F0F9E244.C1429D906FFB3F72.8BFD88C2356B8F8D@lp.airnews.net>I   Scott Vieth wrote: >  > Koloth wrote:D > Q > > I worked at to remain unnamed company with a large enclosure that needed fireiP > > protection.  The space was 180' by 130' by 90'.  Needless to say it needed aP > > large amount of Halon.  I think the tanks outside were about the size of two > > railroad tanker cars.0 > N > Geez!  A computer room with a 90' ceiling.  Were you keeping your systems in > a high school gym?  ;^)- > F > You must have had some 600U equipment racks with rackmount VAX 6000sN > piled all the way to heavens.  [Can you imagine trying to rackmount a 6000?] > L > "Say, Charlie, can you swing the crane over this way?  I need a ride up to3 > VAX72 to change the front panel key to Update..."     @ Actually, halon was used to protect things other than computers.  @ I once saw an anechoic chamber big enough that an F-111 could beF suspended in it.  This was not only sound suppressing, but radar, etc.: suppressing.  The walls were covered with huge foam cones.  H The story was that the cones were very flammable, and that the Air ForceC wanted to preserve the F-111 (or whatever) if a fire occurred, so ay@ halon system was put in place.  I counted over 50 500lb bottles.  H Imagine the combustion by products from a fire.  25,000lbs halon and andH flammable foam!  (I wonder how large an area would need to be evacuted?)  G (I have no idea if a full dump would have blown the ceiling/walls/doorstD off this building.  It is rather impressive to contemplate, though.)  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------r$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com o   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:26:51 +0200m( From: wiss@eelwing.arda (Jonas Wissting)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point( Message-ID: <b95rp8.t76.ln@luthien.arda>  , In article <NLvIXTz1W6LI@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>,4 	nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes: ...dP >      I thought the point was that halon is (relatively) safe when accidentallyQ > released, not that one should stand around in a burning room watching the halonkR > do its stuff. I would think being in a room where temperatures are reaching 900FO > would be dangerous regardless of what sort of fire supression system might bet > in place :-)  G And the smoke is probably more dangerous than side-products from halon.l   	Jonas   -- i http://wiss.unx.nu http://linux.unx.nu.      Another Glitch in the Callu   We don't need no indirection We don't need no flow controle No data typing or declarations Did you leave the lists alone?  /         Hey!  Hacker!  Leave those lists alone!e   Chorus:c8         All in all, it's just a pure-LISP function call.8         All in all, it's just a pure-LISP function call.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:03:20 +1000p From: D.T <dtroake@sofcom.com>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point8 Message-ID: <u1s2sschungolet3oq4aciheq9glnuh1k7@4ax.com>  E I can remember many years ago working in a Computer room protected byr CO2. e; We had an accidental discharge of the CO2 with out warning.e< It is quite scary as the whole room went white with fog. TheC temperature dropped 15 degrees in less than 30 sec and the cabinetsy were covered in dry ice. iE As we had no warning and there were visiting staff in the room at the F time there was a bit of a panic. Everyone did get out ok but some were feeling a bit faint. hE One of the operators had to don the breathing gear and return to shutsF down the 2 IBM 370/145 machines, that had continued on without problem$ despite the sudden temperature drop.   Quite an eventfull day   DT    @ On 14 Sep 2000 16:02:11 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:v   >tu >In article <KrVv5.22722$pu4.1955993@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:p >:K >:> A couple years ago we had a thread about Halon fire-suppressing systemsp@ >:> used in computer rooms.   Through the school of hard knocks,7 >:> I just learned first hand how such systems operate.n >..iD >:> This Halon is Good Stuff.  Other than some grit blasted from the? >:> ceiling tiles, there was zero debris left in the machinery.e@ >:> What's the "environmentally friendly" equivalent used today?E >:> Is there such an equivalent - something that will put out a fire,t4 >:> but at the same time not damage vital equipment? >..0N >:Well, there's carbon dioxide, but in concentrations sufficient to extinguish" >:flames it'll also suffocate you. >tG >  In a total-flooding carbon dioxide system -- which is what is being fH >  discussed here, obviously -- yes, you really don't want to be in the G >  flooded compartment after one of these carbon dioxide systems dumps..I >  Well, not without a source of breathing air and appropriate training, lG >  that is -- SCBA (or potentially a tether hose) is a requirement for sE >  operations in confined spaces and in oxygen-depleted environments.e >9G >  A carbon dioxide based fire suppression system has some analogies to I >  farms using regular or ground-storage silos -- once the concentration iI >  of carbon dioxide builds up, it kills most anything that wanders into  H >  the oxygen-depleted area.  It sometimes also kills the rescuers, too. > I >  As for fire extinguishers, I'd leave those to the folks trained to useaO >  them -- the use of an incorrect extinguisher can make things (much) worse.  uK >  (Hopefully each area has the correct types of extinguisher(s) available aN >  for the expected fire(s).)  As for what Just get out.  Some of the gaseous N >  combustion products are really nasty, and not something you want to inhale.N >  Hydrogen cyanide, carbon monoxide, hydrogen sulfide, and other nasties are 0 >  all common gases found in a fire compartment. >fD >  One of the key reasons folks are, um, encouraged to exit the fireI >  compartment is not so much the floodding gas itself, but to avoid the yH >  products of combustion.  Well, that and to avoid the off chance that L >  somebody has reduced the size of the flooding compartment without making J >  a corresponding reduction in the total capacity of the flooding system.D >  Contractors may not be familiar with the implications to the fireG >  suppression system when building a new partition wall, for instance.[ >aK >  At least one zero ozone depletion potential (zero ODP) replacement agent G >  for total-flooding systems is currently available, something called eG >  FM-200.  FM-200 has reportedly passed Underwriters Laboratories and cJ >  Factory Mutual testing for efficacy.  LC50 indicates FM-200 is similar J >  to Halon 1301, or potentially that higher concentrations of FM-200 are G >  required for toxicity similar to Halon 1301.  (But I still would note; >  want to breath it, or breath the combustion products...)s >l >sO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- M >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 17:27:15 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>w& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point0 Message-ID: <qh8zsuv6sc.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>    D.T <dtroake@sofcom.com> writes:= > We had an accidental discharge of the CO2 with out warning.e> > It is quite scary as the whole room went white with fog. TheE > temperature dropped 15 degrees in less than 30 sec and the cabinets- > were covered in dry ice. 4  H More likely just ordinary H2O frost.  Not much chance of CO2 solidifying* on a surface that was at room temperature.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:24:55 -0500c& From: Arargh! <InvalidName@arargh.com>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point8 Message-ID: <trs2ss40fkhpk5lum2kqds6l32p7tl2r6t@4ax.com>  ) On 14 Sep 2000 17:27:15 -0700, Eric Smiths) <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> wrote:   ! >D.T <dtroake@sofcom.com> writes:e> >> We had an accidental discharge of the CO2 with out warning.? >> It is quite scary as the whole room went white with fog. TheeF >> temperature dropped 15 degrees in less than 30 sec and the cabinets >> were covered in dry ice.  >hI >More likely just ordinary H2O frost.  Not much chance of CO2 solidifyings+ >on a surface that was at room temperature.sD Yes. Dry ice forms at about -110f or so.  You would need closer to a 170 degree drop in room temp.-    ---C arargh   (at enteract period com)             http://www.arargh.commE (Reply address points nowhere in an attempt to foil e-mail spammers.)    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2000 01:21:46 GMT From: X@Y.Z.net (Jynx)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point2 Message-ID: <slrn8s2ud9.cdi.X@animas.frontier.net>  : On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:26:17 GMT, Terry Kennedy scribbled:@ >In alt.folklore.computers Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote:O >> Geez!  A computer room with a 90' ceiling.  Were you keeping your systems inl >> a high school gym?  ;^) > H >  There is allegedly some huge space at a government facility that was D >used at one time for classfied experiments (and thus had impressive. >amounts of guards) which was no longer used,   6 Is that where 'they' did the fake moon landings?   <G>   Jonesy -- f? Marvin L Jones         |  jonz             |  W3DHJ     |  OS/2tF  Gunnison, Colorado    |   @               |  Jonesy    |  linux    __F   7,703' -- 2,345m     |    frontier.net   |  DM68mn                SK   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:27:14 -0400c+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> & Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point1 Message-ID: <39C142B2.75886C34@trailing-edge.com>-   Terry Kennedy wrote: > H > In alt.folklore.computers Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:M >   If you take the cost out of their salary, you'll have several generations1D > of clueless-but-well-intentioned people working there for free 8-) > A > > The sudden pressure from the halon dump sent numerous ceiling J > > tiles flying, as well as large stacks of paper that were blown off the
 > > consoles.n > @ >   No under-floor heads, eh? You can launch floor tiles, too...  = There were under-floor heads, but (AFAIK) no floor tiles wenta
 ballistic.   Tim.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:09:00 GMT,* From: don@news.daedalus.co.nz (Don Stokes)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point6 Message-ID: <968983739.124212@shelley.paradise.net.nz>  1 In article <39C142B2.75886C34@trailing-edge.com>, - Tim Shoppa  <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:e >Terry Kennedy wrote:e >> rI >> In alt.folklore.computers Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote: N >>   If you take the cost out of their salary, you'll have several generationsE >> of clueless-but-well-intentioned people working there for free 8-)e >>  B >> > The sudden pressure from the halon dump sent numerous ceilingK >> > tiles flying, as well as large stacks of paper that were blown off the0 >> > consoles. >> eA >>   No under-floor heads, eh? You can launch floor tiles, too...e >g> >There were under-floor heads, but (AFAIK) no floor tiles went >ballistic.s  G Floor tiles are usually much heavier than ceiling tiles, and if the gas C is coming from both above and below, there won't be enough pressures differential to launch them.  G I've seen rooms with underfloor Halon only.  I think there were enough cE vents to keep the underfloor pressure (and therefore the tiles) down.    -- don   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:22:08 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point> Message-ID: <hshubs-20B3EA.22220814092000@news.mindspring.com>  7 In article <8pqsq3$p4g$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, 9$ hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:  K >  At least one zero ozone depletion potential (zero ODP) replacement agent!G >  for total-flooding systems is currently available, something called GG >  FM-200.  FM-200 has reportedly passed Underwriters Laboratories and MJ >  Factory Mutual testing for efficacy.  LC50 indicates FM-200 is similar J >  to Halon 1301, or potentially that higher concentrations of FM-200 are G >  required for toxicity similar to Halon 1301.  (But I still would notY; >  want to breath it, or breath the combustion products...)U  N Today I looked to find out what kind of Halon we're running: 1301.  So that's O bad, is it?  Assuming it is, I forwarded the information I found on a web site M to my supervisor.L -- O Howard S Shubs# "Run in circles, scream and shout!"E   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:22:07 -0700W! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>I& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point+ Message-ID: <39C1A3EF.C537DA60@tmisnet.com>   9 It wasn't a computer room but a large indoor radar range.E   Scott Vieth wrote:   > Koloth wrote:N >OQ > > I worked at to remain unnamed company with a large enclosure that needed fire P > > protection.  The space was 180' by 130' by 90'.  Needless to say it needed aP > > large amount of Halon.  I think the tanks outside were about the size of two > > railroad tanker cars.E >EN > Geez!  A computer room with a 90' ceiling.  Were you keeping your systems in > a high school gym?  ;^)  >EF > You must have had some 600U equipment racks with rackmount VAX 6000sN > piled all the way to heavens.  [Can you imagine trying to rackmount a 6000?] > L > "Say, Charlie, can you swing the crane over this way?  I need a ride up to3 > VAX72 to change the front panel key to Update..."E >B > -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 04:19:42 GMTP  From: djim55@datasync.com (D.J.)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point0 Message-ID: <39c19ff9.3894309@news.datasync.com>  (  A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig) wrote:D []To get in he had ignored a "Danger of Death" sign, "Warning do notE []enter unless green light shows", "Halon Gas", "Authorized personnell@ []only" and an audible alarm. He must also have exerted enormousH []pressure on the key to break the glass lock on the inside of the door.B []Sometimes no amount of warnings can deter a sufficiently idiotic []human.  C    I was in the USN for 6 years. I saw a Lt. j.g. get chased aroundoB the CIC room by an irate enlisted electronics tech weilding a veryC large crescent wrench. Seems the officer had undone a padlocked and B ductaped sign that said 'WARNING ! Man Aloft ! Do not energize the radar antennas !'r  @ The officer did this, in spite of being told by approximetely 20D people, all junior to him, to stop, don't turn the antenna motor on.  F He had the gall to try and put that E.T. on report. The Captain of the/ ship let the Lt. j.g. know who the foul up was.:   JimP.C --6 djim55 at tyhe datasync dot com. Disclaimer: Standard.) My Web pages Updated: September 11, 2000:o4 http://www.crosswinds.net/~djim51/povray/povray.html Registered Linux user#185746   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:35:04 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?O Message-ID: <FAAA48102A45094D.0CF92B0355E2EC79.0581E65AEF388CA5@lp.airnews.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > I > First, I have to apologize.  I really should have remembered that theredK > are actually quit a large number of VAXStations.  Mine are 3100's, by thet > way, > I > And I have grabbed a copy of The OpenVMS FAQ as I assume that's the one  > meant below. > 8 > In article <8pohrb$ft9$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,7 >  hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:e > |>d > |> In article <8poff9$6dk$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > |> > |> :one (1) MicroVAX IIe > |>I > |>   Old, very slow, needs 16 MB if you really plan to try to use it onhI > |>   anything approaching a current release.  And it's still old (circad > |>   1986) and slow. > P > People keep telling me this, but these are what I have.  Believe it or not :-)N > VMS runs better on these than the latest release of NetBSD which is too slowN > to be of any practical use (trying to recompile the kernel takes more than aB > week. I don't know exactly as I didn't wait long enough to see.)  B If you don't put a graphics board in your MV II, it will work muchF better.  Motif takes a big chunk of memory and is pretty slow on MV IIC graphics hardware.  Running it through terminals, though, does workt
 pretty well. a     > |> > |> :The questions:N > |> :   What size disks are likely to work on the VAXStations?? 4.5GB IBM's?? > |>G > |>   Anybody's guess.  SCSI widgets are a bit of a crap-shoot on most F > |>   any platform -- somebody gets to do the integration and testingK > |>   work, and I've already got the SCSI scars.  Also, depending on whichuK > |>   particular VAXstation you have, you may or may not have ready accessk > |>   to a SCSI bus.S > I > Both of these have SCSI in them.  I guess I will have to find something7J > smaller for system disks as 1GB seems to be the limit for the boot disk.  A The VAXstation 3100 SCSI controller does have a couple of issues:a  C If you use a SCSI widget that returns an INQUIRY string that is toooH long, the POST will report a D4 error.  (This error is not documented.) H This can be ignored.  VMS doesn't have a problem with the longer INQUIRY< string, but the error does keep the system from autobooting.  G I have had much better luck on the VS3100 with older disks.  It doesn'teG seem to get along with some of the newer drives.  It can also get quiteeH twitchy when you mix various drives on the bus.  Sometimes just changingF the order of drives on the bus fixes the problem.  Using the SCSI/SCSI@ controller instead of the SCSI/ST506 controller helps if you use external devices.p  E My personal favorite for the VS3100 system disk is a Seagate ST41200N-H (aka CDC Wren 7).  This is a 1GB 5 1/4" disk, so it will need a separateE box (an SZ12 works well.  Need one?), but it is built like a tank and7D will run forever.  (Which is good, since they are getting pretty old
 now.  <sigh>)     e > |>R > |> :   Is it possible to hook a terminal up to a VAXStation in lieu of the builtP > |> :    video to use as a console so I can install VMS and then just use it as( > |> :     another node in the cluster?? > |>  > |>   Yes.  Please see the FAQ. > L > I'll look for this as well, although Chris Smith has pretty well filled meO > in on the options.  Including the possibility that my Mono VAXStation may noteK > have broken video but may in fact have the button in the wrong position!!r  G If you have a VAXstation 3100 without an additional graphics board, younH have a mono system.  There is one other possibility to check.  Make sureH that you have a mono video cable.  If you don't match the cable with the* graphics, you won't get a picture either.      > |>N > |> :   If I put a video board int he MicroVAX II will it recognize this factO > |> :    and move the console there or will it only be usable after I have VMS 5 > |> :     installed??  Or, will it not work at all??  > |>H > |>   Which video board?  Some are supported, some are not.  QDSS/VCB02/ > |>   would be the most common, and will work.  > H > I think I have a VCB02 floating around here somewhere, but if the monoG > VAXStation 3100 works I won't have a spare keyboard, mouse or monitor  > for the MicroVAX II.  E Adding a VCB02 will make a MicroVAX II a VAXstation II.  It will also = change your VMS license type.  You may want to take that intot consideration.  
 Good luck!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------i$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2000 00:32 -0400o From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?& Message-ID: <15SEP200000320739@miasys>  S In article <8pq4k9$3v2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com writes...n : G >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:e : B >> >With SPECint being the simplest, and least good for predicting< >> >system performance and with Oracle Apps/SAP SD being the8 >> >best for predicting actual applications performance.   >Hi, > H >The Alpha GS series seems to be doing well in both Oracle Apps, and SAP >SD benchmarks   : = >http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/sap/sap2tcs.htmld> >http://www.ideasinternational.com/benchmark/Oracle/stand.html  D Those tests are all Unix based. We know the Oracle 7.3.x performanceD on OpenVMS very closely matches the Unix performance on a given box.J The Oracle 8.1.x performance on OpenVMS may lag a little compared to those@ unix results which tend to be with full tuning (spike, numa,...)  H The GS320 results for Oracle Apps were fine, but more or less a stake inB the ground. We needed more experience to get a really good number.  E The ES40 result of 3528 (from memory, boy I hope I got it right) thattD was audited recently is a great Alphaserver result and shows that weF have build up some of the needed skills. Now we'll have to find a freeE wildfire to hook up the testbed and give it a re-run time permitting.   J This 4 Processor Alpha system result is almost 2 times more powerfull than7 a 4 P Intell and almost 3 times more than a 4P SUN 450.r6 It performed at about 1/2 the power of a 14P SUN 4500.  B These recent results were ready to be published on Monday, but ourF marketing folks in their infinite wisdom deem it better to wait for a E press-release opportunity or some such. (I disagree. This stuff has a E half-life time of 2 weeks. Publish first for the technical folks and aH then worry about the song and dance for the sales folks. Oh well, no-oneH ever  listens to me :-). Full disclosure any minute now (I hope). Check:  C   http://www.oracle.com/apps_benchmark/html/index.html?results.html    hth, 	Hein.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Sep 2000 15:01:52 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)i! Subject: Re: LAT printer servers?t* Message-ID: <8pr7b0$2q4$1@lisa.gemair.com>  7 In article <rjqu2bjwdtz.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>,,7 Paul Repacholi  <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:c >hD >Yeah, all my old cable info was lost years ago, including an LPV-11@ >printset :(  If you can find the DB37 info, it would help lots. >eI >( I even bought a Vax 6000... Everything was there EXCEPT the DMF cable!r
 >Argh... ) >   F Seems rather extreme to buy a VAX 6000, just to recover your long lostD cable information...  And, how frustrated you must have been to find7 the one thing you really wanted in the package missing!n   :-) :-)e   >-- = >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,n8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076c/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.n   -Jordan Hendersoni jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:45:35 -0700 (PDT)y? From: Typemaster Enterprises <typemaster2001@DJKI.netscape.net>t' Subject: Looking For a Second Income....- Message-ID: <0G0W00FDFNJWAJ@mx.west.saic.com>p  a As long as you have basic typing skills, own a PC, have an Email account, and a quality printer, m
 you are fine.e  V This position offers the potential of making $750.00 weekly.  You would be processing V customer orders of various types, (typed documents) all of which are included in your b instruction booklet.  They can vary greatly, from simple letter format to the detailed brochure.  : This is a permanent position as long as you work steadily.  [ Since you are working from your home, the hours are whatever you choose as long as you are 0] working the minimum of 10 hrs. per week.  There are no taxes removed from your checks before oe they are sent to you, therefore it is your responsibility to track them for filing at the end of the - year.   Z This position can be done from anywhere in the US, however, if you reside outside the US, ^ positions are available if you supply postage for supplies to be sent to you or have supplies  Emailed to you.0  ` The only equipment you will need is a PC and a high quality printer (black & white or color, in ` order to print out text documents) along with Email in order to maintain contact.  The business _ software that is required and assembled for this position is provided at the wholesale cost of iX $25.00; it retails for $49.95.  We pay for the instruction booklet, however, due to the [ overwhelming response, it would be too costly for us to send software to all that inquire.    Y Typemaster Enterprises relies on producing quality service to all potential home workers.h  ] The income potential is dependent on availability of hours you have to work each week.  This a] position pays approximately $20.00 per order you process, and each order takes approximately 2^ 15-30 minutes to process at the rate of 30 wpm.  You will receive your first payment 3-5 days 1 after your first order is processed, via US Mail.   c The process is the customer's response to sites all over the Internet as a means for them to place :c their orders.  Orders can vary from a typed letter to a brochure; it's whatever the customer is in ga need of.  It does not require you contacting another company to obtain their orders.  Once their e9 orders are placed, they are then forwarded to your Email.a  c After typing the orders, they are usually sent back through Email as well.  However, if you opt to  Z send them through US Mail, you will be responsible for postage, but it is not a necessity.  ^ Attached you will find the additional information and application to get you started.  Again, 6 thank you for your interest in Typemaster Enterprises.  
 Sincerely,   David Karabell (Your Personal Contact)r Typemaster Enterprises  5 -----------------------------------------------------t   ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:8  \ Please pay special attention to the application process listed below in order to follow the b directions properly.  This position requires the ability to follow written directions and whether [ you are able to do so aids in determining if the position will, in fact, be offered to you.   a This is an opportunity for applicants at least 18 years of age, with a computer (PC) and quality  _ printer (color or black/white) that have a minimum of 10-30 hrs. available to work each week.  hd This opportunity is legitimate and the income that it will bring in for you depends on the hrs that f you are available to work.  It is vital that you have the requirements listed above for this position  to be available to you.c  _ The attached application must be PRINTED OUT in order for us to verify that your printer is of c^ quality and then mail it to us.  When we receive your application along with a check or money b order, you will be sent the necessary software to get started immediately.  {Please note:  If you ^ send a personal or business check, there will be a wait of 7-10 business days BEFORE supplies 
 are shipped}.t  ` Because there has been such a large response to this opening, the only way for us to be able to _ send you the required supplies is to request a one-time fee of $25.00.  This amount will be to >d cover the software.  We are actually sending you the software at our cost (it retails for $49.95).  ` This is an (ILE) business software and was developed for this position only.  [There will never ^ be any other charges required from you].  We will cover the cost for the detailed instruction ) booklet that will accompany the software.e  ^ You are expected to process all customer orders promptly.  Once you receive your software and L instructions, the only thing that you will have to do is go to your mailbox.  ] *Please make a check or money order, in the amount of $25.00 if you wish to have it e-mailed rH or ($35.00 if you wish to have mailed to you via US Mail) made out to:         Typemaster Enterprises  ^ Personal or business checks must first clear your bank (there is a wait of 7-10 business days ] before sending supplies to ensure that the check clears) before software will be sent out to r! prevent any future complications.y  Y This application and information sheet must be printed out and accompany your payment or o] your request for employment will be denied and returned to you immediately.  All checks will a# simply to returned to you uncashed.c   Please mail to:-           Typemaster Enterprises         530 Balsam Road(         Cherry Hill, NJ 08003   Z We will be sending out your necessary business software and information booklet within 24 d hours.  (Please note: if you send a check there is a wait of 7-10 business days before supplies are < sent.)  At that time, you will be able to start immediately!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:13:14 -0400 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>W Subject: Re: MAIL and SMTP' Message-ID: <39C177AA.66C8@adldata.com>a  E I think you are asking how to use vms mail to send an email via smtp.t  = On our VMS 7.2-1 system with tcpip v50.A configured, vms mail ; accepts a destination as name@host.domain. The command linen; needed the destination to be in quotes. I don't remember ifTF it is single or double quotes but the single line version looked like:  B $mail/subject="Subject line" filenametosend.txt "name@host.domain"  2 You can also download pine and use that for email.   sol gongola0    lG > I have a VAXstation on our internal network. Normally we use Exchange G > to send/receive mail for the PC. I want to send mail dirctly from theiC > VAX. How can I tell my VMS that the SMTP gateway is the real one?0 > 	 > VMS 7.2y > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.u   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:04:36 -0700 (PDT)- From: jstanford@gotfreemail.neta Subject: new directions9- Message-ID: <0G0W00668DBNK9@mx.west.saic.com>j   Hello,  nA I was wondering if you were interested in DRAMATICALLY increasingoA your INTERNET SALES and SIGNUPS and getting MORE WEBSITE TRAFFIC.i  @ If you're interested, I'll send you this FREE REPORT ($30 value)A that will teach you how you can IMPROVE your e-Business big time!n  > This newly released FREE INSIDERS REPORT reveals everything...  ; TO RECEIVE YOUR FREE INSIDERS REPORT EMAIL ME RIGHT NOW AT:o; fusilade@netcourrier.com and type MORE in the subject line.c  = OR CLICK HERE... mailto:fusilade@netcourrier.com?subject=MOREe@ <A HREF="mailto:fusilade@netcourrier.com?subject=MORE">CLICK</A>  
 Best Regards,y James Stanford Stanford eBiz Marketingr  d? _______________________________________________________________A@ I received your email as someone interested in Internet Business> Services/Opps. If I received your email info-vax@mvb.saic.com @ in error, please send a blank e-mail to: mornot2@email.com with A "REMOVE" in the subject line and we will immediately remove you. p@ List removal link click: mailto:mornot2@email.com?subject=REMOVE? _______________________________________________________________d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:35:43 GMTa5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>-> Subject: Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation8 Message-ID: <kqn2sscdeu8rt1vq2m07n2rj43nlavlr9e@4ax.com>  @ On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:13:18 GMT, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote:  ; >I am having problems reading some of the web-based openvms = >documentation.  Many of the pages are truncated (ie. The enda@ >of the pages are missing).  We have tried through two different$ >ISP's with exactly the same result.  8 another thing that bears minding, although since you've ? seen this via 2 ISP's , is that some ISP's may use caching s/w,t@ ie SQUID in unix-land. (micro$oft may have a similar offering.  = ( I don't recall the name ...) some NAT packages can also do s some sort of caching.    s  > Then again, using some sort of http/file cache is perhaps not 9 so common for ISPs, but more so, on  largish fortune-500   corporate networks.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:10:54 GMTd2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>' Subject: Re: Running NetHack on OpenVMSe6 Message-ID: <iOdw5.270$F93.109487@typhoon.aracnet.com>  6 Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote:6 > "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:P >> been enjoying playing it but have found one major problem.  What keystroke amM >> I supposed to use as the "Meta" character so I can issue certain commands?t   > #b  L OK, now I feel stupid :^)  I read that and didn't even comprehend that there were two ways of doing that!  
 > as in #prayl  A > lots if your used to 3.2. 3.3 is judt enough different that youk5 > are really good at reading your obit for some time.   G Yeah, I'm getting real used to reading my obit :^)  I keep getting food>A poisoning or starving :^)  Still it's more fun that Dungeon/Zork.    			Zane,   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:15:40 -0700r5 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com>a9 Subject: System node identifier and cluster configuratione) Message-ID: <##lnhMsHAHA.323@cpmsnbbsa09>   % I'll try and make a long story short.   K We have two Alpha 4100s running 7.1-1H2. One of them is a production systemlJ and the other is a development box. We (possibly) want to cluster them. ToL preempt a suggestion - getting off the hardware release is not up to me (I'mL not the systems manager - not that he would necessarily would have free rainJ to go to 7.2 if he wanted to). I just happened to have a bit of experienceL in his neck of the woods and was in the director's office when "why don't weF cluster them" was suggested and the system manager then wanted to know' exactly how clustering is accomplished.i  K My concern. On the test system the system node identifier shows up as a hextJ value in a show process/all command. I have gone into authorize and lookedL through all of the identifiers. The value listed under sho proc/all does notL appear to be present in the rights database. After a not very extensive lookG at the docs the only thing that I can find is that it SYS$NODE__name is G created by startup.com (according to OpenVMS Guide to System Security).eJ Seems odd it would be "created" every time the system is booted - but what ever.o  J 1. Since I can't seen to find the identifier in the rights database on theK test system - where is the value listed in the show proc/all command comingh from/being stored?  L 2. This particular box came from a division in south america (or some such).L The current node name is, I'm pretty sure, not the original system name. I'mK guessing that who ever changed the node name didn't get things quite right.aE Is simply creating the identifier in the rights database safe or am IsJ forgetting something  after not having been involved in systems management for the past two years?b  J 3. What bearing does this identifier have (if any) on a cluster member (orL setting one up)? I don't seem to remember it being tied up with the expectedE votes, quorum disk (if any),  scssystemid, or any of the other sysgeni( parameters that have to be fiddled with.   TIAi joe    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:10:35 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)= Subject: Re: System node identifier and cluster configurationoL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1509000010350001@user-2ive6ri.dialup.mindspring.com>  ` In article <##lnhMsHAHA.323@cpmsnbbsa09>, "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> wrote:  ' > I'll try and make a long story short.w > M > We have two Alpha 4100s running 7.1-1H2. One of them is a production systemeL > and the other is a development box. We (possibly) want to cluster them. ToN > preempt a suggestion - getting off the hardware release is not up to me (I'mN > not the systems manager - not that he would necessarily would have free rainL > to go to 7.2 if he wanted to). I just happened to have a bit of experienceN > in his neck of the woods and was in the director's office when "why don't weH > cluster them" was suggested and the system manager then wanted to know) > exactly how clustering is accomplished.t  ' Step 1: read the clustering manual. ;-)   M > My concern. On the test system the system node identifier shows up as a hexiL > value in a show process/all command. I have gone into authorize and looked! > through all of the identifiers.e  % > The value listed under sho proc/alli   Why not SHOW PROC/PRIV ?  
 > does notN > appear to be present in the rights database. After a not very extensive lookI > at the docs the only thing that I can find is that it SYS$NODE__name is/I > created by startup.com (according to OpenVMS Guide to System Security).lL > Seems odd it would be "created" every time the system is booted - but what > ever.   B The rights database (the thing on disk) is typically shared by allA the nodes on the cluster.  When a node boots, how would it decideb+ which node ID to pick from the shared file?S  L > 1. Since I can't seen to find the identifier in the rights database on theM > test system - where is the value listed in the show proc/all command coming2 > from/being stored?  J In our cluster, the rights database file seems to have values for the node IDs.  C I think the system parameter SCSNODE is used at boot time to decideoG which ID to use.  The identifier might be created by the CLUSTER_CONFIGeA procedure if it doesn't already exist.  I don't know the details.s  N > 2. This particular box came from a division in south america (or some such).N > The current node name is, I'm pretty sure, not the original system name. I'mM > guessing that who ever changed the node name didn't get things quite right.iG > Is simply creating the identifier in the rights database safe or am IhL > forgetting something  after not having been involved in systems management > for the past two years?   F I think you don't want to fiddle with the identifier by hand.  What is SCSNODE on your system?F  & $ write sys$output f$getsyi("scsnode")  ( Is that the same as the name reported by   $ show system/noprocessh  H Ah! I just understood what you meant by "hex value in show process/all".G That probably means the system can't find a translation.  Maybe SCSNODE:G isn't defined on your system?  I think it isn't by default.  You should  define it in MODPARAMS.DAT.o  8 Also look at help for the lexical function F$IDENTIFIER.    L > 3. What bearing does this identifier have (if any) on a cluster member (orN > setting one up)? I don't seem to remember it being tied up with the expectedG > votes, quorum disk (if any),  scssystemid, or any of the other sysgenF* > parameters that have to be fiddled with.  A I don't actually know anything that uses the system node ID.  YoutO could presumably use it like any other ID, for example in an ACL. In a cluster,wE all the nodes know all the node IDs, which might be useful sometimes.   F The node ID is pretty far down the list of things to worry about in a  cluster, IMHO.  B When conguring/modifying a cluster, sometimes you have to choices: 1. Do it by hand.k6 2. Use CLUSTER_CONFIG_LAN.COM (or CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM).  N Always resist the temptation to do it by hand.  CLUSTER_CONFIG is your friend.   -- 1 Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:48:50 GMTn" From: michaelaustininc@hotmail.com5 Subject: TCPIP restart needed for secondary interfaceg) Message-ID: <8pr6i9$dmp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n   Problem:F Terminal server (DECServer 90M) intermittently is unable to connect toA VMS system.  Restarting TCPIP corrects the situation (See restartrD command procedure at end). It appears to be something in the routingF that is causing the problem and not being a network guru can't seem to: find the problem or why it works sometimes and not others.   Thanks,k   Michael Austin Rdb DBA Consultant ex-DEC Field Engineer D ex-Software Support for Rdb/ACMS/DECFORMS & DEC supported languages.! ex-System Admin/Application Admins  G =======================================================================o9   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0Ae+   on a DEC 3000 - M600 running OpenVMS V7.1a  E [DECServer90M] -->[4 port hub]--> [805Cisco router]-->[ADTRAN DSU/AR] 6 --><56K line>-->[ADTRAN DSU/AR]-->[805Cisco rotuer]-->        [16 port hub]-->[Alpha]  < Primary interface is SE0 (has "real" IP address on Internet)   $ ucx sh interfaceA                                                           PacketswG Interface   IP_Addr         Network mask          Receive          Sendr     MTUn  ;  SE0        206.www.xxx.yyy   255.255.255.240         13156  9221    1500G  SEA0       192.168.0.201   255.255.255.240         13156          9221t    1500vG  LO0        127.0.0.1       255.0.0.0                 125           125l       0u $ ucx sh route$                              DYNAMIC  < Type           Destination                           Gateway  9 DN    0.0.0.0                               206.74.191.65 5 AH    127.0.0.1                             127.0.0.1p9 DN    192.168.0.192/28                      192.168.0.201 9 AN    192.168.1.0/24                        192.168.0.203e9 DN    192.168.4.0/24                        192.168.0.203i9 DN    206.74.191.64/28                      206.74.191.68     F The following is submitted to a batch que to run because my connection% is through TCPIP and the Internet....    $!!  RESTART_TCPIP.COM. $!!  Instructions:   $SUBMIT RESTART_TCPIP.COM $!!  $@sys$startup:tcpip$shutdown $wait 00:00:30 $@sys$startup:tcpip$startupe? $!=============================================================f/ $!!  Must be added to system startup procedures  $!!  after TCPIP gets started. $UCXD set interface sea0 /host=192.168.0.201 /network_mask=255.255.255.240) set route 192.168.1.0 /gate=192.168.0.203d) set route 192.168.4.0 /gate=192.168.0.203n exit? $!=============================================================  $T    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:36:43 +0200-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>p$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris) Message-ID: <39C0D46A.3B5D19C1@gtech.com>h   Robert Taylor wrote:" > Hi , is there a VMS FAQ at all ? > B > Also I'm coming from a Unix background ( mainly Unixware, bit ofJ > Solaris, bit of Linux ) and if anyone has any advice it would be greatly' > appreciated ( no daftness please ! ).  > I > The type of task I'm doing is software development , editing using LSE.)  # There are a relative huge VMS FAQ !l  5 You can find link to it (and other relevant info) at:e  ) http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_faq.htmlx ) http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_doc.htmlx    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:01:42 GMTo$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris) Message-ID: <39C12EC9.4051635E@wi.rr.com>r   Jordan Henderson wrote:m  I > First, it's self-fulfilling.  If everyone felt this way about VMS, then $ > it certainly would have no future.  I Eveyone does already feel this way.  I'm talking about the Gartner Groups < of the world who are telling the CIOs and CEOs that VMS died6 a few years ago and that you better migrate yesterday.  G I follow the direction of my CIO.  He believes that our company has had G a rich and beneficial relationship with VMS.  It is now time to migrate 5 off that platform in order to keep up with the crowd.c  C We are seeing fewer and fewer vendors who are willing to keep their  software updated on VMS.  D When you get a moment, call Larry Ellison and ask him why Oracle forG VMS always comes out after every other port.  That's one of the biggestdC reasons we're giving up on VMS.  We depend heavily on Oracle on VMSoK and it sucks being so far behind the rest of the platforms that Oracle runsr on.wH I went to an Oracle DBA class about a year ago and of the 30 students in@ the room, I was the only one who was working with Oracle on VMS.E Half the people in the room didn't even know what VMS was.   A few of > the folks who *did* know what VMS was just said "VMS is dead".  N Also, take a look at the job market.  Are there really any *new* VMS positions  L opening up?  Not in my neck of the woods.  People are looking for sys admins? who can keep VMS systems running long enough to let the companycJ migrate to another platform.  If I was looking for a new job today, I'd be crazycC to say that I wanted to be a "VMS System Manager" 100% of the time.a    @ > Second, I don't think it's true that you can't learn anything.A > Even if (and I don't give you this at all) there's no future torC > VMS, I think that the exposure to the well engineered VMS systemsw= > can only help you in every aspect of a professional career.t  L Agreed.  My years of managing VMS systems have given me a great appreciationL for the technology.  And it gives me a point of reference when I struggle to make> Windows NT servers perform the simplest task and they blow up.  C > Last, I see that Mr. Taylor posts from jpmorgan.com.  It's prettyWA > clear to me that he's endeavoring into the VMS world as part ofmC > a work assignment.  I don't know about you, but I've always hated E > working with Prima Donna's who refuse to work on a given assignment C > or technology solely for career strategic reasons.  A team playerdA > picks up an unwanted assignment and makes it into an example ofe4 > what can be done when you have the right attitude.  J I didn't look at the "from" address of the original sender.  While I agreeJ that it is honorable to take on tasks that appear to be un-popular, you'veJ got to be realistic when it comes to your career.  If you've got a limitedA amount of time to be spent learning about technology, you need toi spend that time carefully.  J I've got VMS 7.2 running on my Multia at home.  Do I want to spend a bunchH of time toying with it and learning even more about OpenVMS?  Sure.  ButL does it help me out in the long run with my career?  Not really.  I'm betterI off installing RedHat 6.2 on a spare partition on my home PC and teachingaL myself how to navigate around Unix-type systems.   I've also got Solaris forD Intel here at home that I will install when I get bored with RedHat.  K At work, we have teams of people who maintain COBOL apps that are currently F running on VMS.  Those people would *love* the chance to get away fromH their COBOL duties and turn into "web programmers" and learn things likeM Java and Visual Basic.  They've seen the handwriting on the wall.  The marketdD wants people who are up-to-speed on web-based technologies.  Ads for3 COBOL programmers are pretty hard to find any more.e  J There wil always be a market for good VMS sys admins and good programmers.K But that market is going to only get smaller as time goes on.  I'm not real_
 interestedE in investing my time in learning more about technology that shops aree abandoning.I  > When it comes down to it, what will keep my Viper full of gas?   -Scott  :^)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:57:39 -0400m* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris- Message-ID: <39C157E3.D23FB7D8@tsoft-inc.com>_   Scott Vieth wrote: >  > Jordan Henderson wrote:- > K > > First, it's self-fulfilling.  If everyone felt this way about VMS, thenb& > > it certainly would have no future. > K > Eveyone does already feel this way.  I'm talking about the Gartner Groups4> > of the world who are telling the CIOs and CEOs that VMS died8 > a few years ago and that you better migrate yesterday.  N If people like the Gartner Group and such really knew anything, they'd be busyP using the knowledge for their own benefit.  They listen to gossip and rumors andP anybody who has a soapbox, and then regurgatate the same shit as their 'esteemedN research'.  If they really knew anything, they'd be the CIOs and CEOs to whichL they're spouting any garbage necessary in order to get them to cough up someB cash.  In very closely related activities, they're called con men.  I > I follow the direction of my CIO.  He believes that our company has hadoI > a rich and beneficial relationship with VMS.  It is now time to migrates7 > off that platform in order to keep up with the crowd.   F So, if your company has a very successful product, which is still veryN successful, and it's capabilities do not appear to be diminishing, you give upO on it because it's time to move on?  If you have a tool, say a hammer, and it's N every bit as good at driving nails as when you first bought it, you give it up< because it's time to move on?  That's usually called stupid.  9 It's almost as bad as the people waiting for NT to becomen& secure/robust/reliable/name-your-wait.  E > We are seeing fewer and fewer vendors who are willing to keep theiri > software updated on VMS.  L Well, if you accept such treatment, then they will put you at the end of the list.   F > When you get a moment, call Larry Ellison and ask him why Oracle forI > VMS always comes out after every other port.  That's one of the biggest'E > reasons we're giving up on VMS.  We depend heavily on Oracle on VMS-M > and it sucks being so far behind the rest of the platforms that Oracle runsl > on.e  P Tell Larry he's going to lose significant business, and that you're NOT going toJ move to another platform in order to use his products.  Watch Larry changeN course rather quickly.  The problem here is the VMS people using Oracle.  TheyN wait around for crumbs instead of letting Larry know that they will be looking/ for another database, and not another platform.e  ; Bob Palmer sure didn't help things by selling RDB to Larry.   > If Bob Palmer was still in charge, I'd agree with all you say.  J > I went to an Oracle DBA class about a year ago and of the 30 students inB > the room, I was the only one who was working with Oracle on VMS.G > Half the people in the room didn't even know what VMS was.   A few ofi@ > the folks who *did* know what VMS was just said "VMS is dead".  1 Brainwashed zombies and MS brainwashed beginners.r  P > Also, take a look at the job market.  Are there really any *new* VMS positions > N > opening up?  Not in my neck of the woods.  People are looking for sys adminsA > who can keep VMS systems running long enough to let the companytL > migrate to another platform.  If I was looking for a new job today, I'd be > crazyoE > to say that I wanted to be a "VMS System Manager" 100% of the time.v  P Have a customer in Montreal.  They need a VMS person.  They found 4 good people,4 rather quickly, and their problem is in picking one.  B > > Second, I don't think it's true that you can't learn anything.C > > Even if (and I don't give you this at all) there's no future touE > > VMS, I think that the exposure to the well engineered VMS systemsn? > > can only help you in every aspect of a professional career.t > N > Agreed.  My years of managing VMS systems have given me a great appreciationN > for the technology.  And it gives me a point of reference when I struggle to > make@ > Windows NT servers perform the simplest task and they blow up.  O And this is the direction your CIO thinks you should go?  Better have him get at# CAT scan, might have a brain tumor.t  E > > Last, I see that Mr. Taylor posts from jpmorgan.com.  It's prettyoC > > clear to me that he's endeavoring into the VMS world as part of E > > a work assignment.  I don't know about you, but I've always hated0G > > working with Prima Donna's who refuse to work on a given assignmenteE > > or technology solely for career strategic reasons.  A team player5C > > picks up an unwanted assignment and makes it into an example ofn6 > > what can be done when you have the right attitude. > L > I didn't look at the "from" address of the original sender.  While I agreeL > that it is honorable to take on tasks that appear to be un-popular, you'veL > got to be realistic when it comes to your career.  If you've got a limitedC > amount of time to be spent learning about technology, you need toI > spend that time carefully.  N One thing I really dislike is an employee who takes his employer's money, paidJ by the employer in good faith, and then if the choice is doing the job, or4 enhancing one's career, the employer gets the shaft.  L > I've got VMS 7.2 running on my Multia at home.  Do I want to spend a bunchJ > of time toying with it and learning even more about OpenVMS?  Sure.  ButN > does it help me out in the long run with my career?  Not really.  I'm betterK > off installing RedHat 6.2 on a spare partition on my home PC and teaching N > myself how to navigate around Unix-type systems.   I've also got Solaris forF > Intel here at home that I will install when I get bored with RedHat.  H Since you've already made up your mind, and pronounced VMS dead, this isO probably a better choice for you.  Doesn't make you right, and doesn't make VMS( dead.n  M > At work, we have teams of people who maintain COBOL apps that are currently H > running on VMS.  Those people would *love* the chance to get away fromJ > their COBOL duties and turn into "web programmers" and learn things likeO > Java and Visual Basic.  They've seen the handwriting on the wall.  The market F > wants people who are up-to-speed on web-based technologies.  Ads for5 > COBOL programmers are pretty hard to find any more.e  K The need for those people appears firm, if they cannot get away from COBOL.h  L > There wil always be a market for good VMS sys admins and good programmers.M > But that market is going to only get smaller as time goes on.  I'm not reali > interestedG > in investing my time in learning more about technology that shops areo
 > abandoning.t > @ > When it comes down to it, what will keep my Viper full of gas?   OPEC   Dave   -- h4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:25:17 GMTe$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris) Message-ID: <39C17AA0.33B4D782@wi.rr.com>y   David A Froble wrote:y  H > So, if your company has a very successful product, which is still veryP > successful, and it's capabilities do not appear to be diminishing, you give upQ > on it because it's time to move on?  If you have a tool, say a hammer, and it's P > every bit as good at driving nails as when you first bought it, you give it up> > because it's time to move on?  That's usually called stupid.  H I don't think hammers stop working one day and then you find that hammer6 support is either very expensive or very hard to find.  M Let's say I want to build a house.  I'm very comfortable with my blue hammer.fQ But all of the cool new nails on the market can only be driven with a red hammer,lS what do I do?  Do I stick in the past until there are no more vendors selling nails   % that can be driven with blue hammers?e  L The red hammers might not necessarily be better but if more people are usingN red hammers, the odds are good that the industry wil not give up on supporting the red hammer market.  ; > It's almost as bad as the people waiting for NT to become ( > secure/robust/reliable/name-your-wait.  F Oh, I agree 100%.  NT is definitely not the little brother of VMS thatC everyone predicted it would be.  Helen Custer's book on NT makes itoA sound like VMS was ported to Intel and then improved.  Real world-E experience shows that NT is closer to Windows 3.1 than anything else.c  G > > We are seeing fewer and fewer vendors who are willing to keep theirg > > software updated on VMS. >mN > Well, if you accept such treatment, then they will put you at the end of the > list.M  M I don't think it is up to us to "accept" it or not.  We have to take what therH market gives us.  God, I'd love to be able to order a Z28 just like theyB made 'em in 1969.  But it ain't gonna happen.  The world moved on.H If you didn't like the migration to fuel injection and electronic engine controls, then you get to walk.E  G As customers, we don't have enough pull to force vendors to support VMSe, if *they* don't see it as a viable platform.  R > Tell Larry he's going to lose significant business, and that you're NOT going toL > move to another platform in order to use his products.  Watch Larry changeP > course rather quickly.  The problem here is the VMS people using Oracle.  TheyP > wait around for crumbs instead of letting Larry know that they will be looking1 > for another database, and not another platform.   M I think that Larry has probably thought about these things while counting his P billions and billions of dollars.  Somewhere, a beancounter or six, has compiledP a spreadsheet that says "If we stop giving a rats ass about Oracle on VMS, we'llH lose less business than it will cost to continue porting Oracle to VMS."  J One of the reasons we are leaning toward Solaris is that Oracle has a good relationshipQ with Sun.  If we're going to continue to lean heavily on Oracle, then we're going . to move to an OS that Uncle Larry approves of.  @ We're not going to move to another database just to stay on VMS.  L > > I went to an Oracle DBA class about a year ago and of the 30 students inD > > the room, I was the only one who was working with Oracle on VMS.I > > Half the people in the room didn't even know what VMS was.   A few of B > > the folks who *did* know what VMS was just said "VMS is dead". >13 > Brainwashed zombies and MS brainwashed beginners.   M No, all of them were experienced in Solaris.  Some of them quite experienced.A  P > > Agreed.  My years of managing VMS systems have given me a great appreciationP > > for the technology.  And it gives me a point of reference when I struggle to > > makeB > > Windows NT servers perform the simplest task and they blow up. >pQ > And this is the direction your CIO thinks you should go?  Better have him get a0% > CAT scan, might have a brain tumor.   L No, I didn't say we're going from VMS to NT.  We're moving our core businessG apps from VMS to Solaris.  I used the NT example to show that I learned K something from working with VMS.  "This is a real operating system.....this- one over here is not."  P > One thing I really dislike is an employee who takes his employer's money, paidL > by the employer in good faith, and then if the choice is doing the job, or6 > enhancing one's career, the employer gets the shaft.  S I don't know if that's a shot directed at me but I want to address it.  My employerx  O doesn't want any of us to stay in technology that's behind the times.  In ordereM to keep people interested in their jobs, folks want to work with the cool newgF stuff.  If you don't give them a chance to work with new technologies,O they'll jump ship and go work somewhere that will let them play with the stuff./  M As far as "doing the job", part of my job is to *not* build systems that will N be difficult or expensive to support.  I need to be mindful of what the marketK is favoring and how difficult it would be to find someone to support what I  built if I got hit by a truck.  J > Since you've already made up your mind, and pronounced VMS dead, this isQ > probably a better choice for you.  Doesn't make you right, and doesn't make VMSy > dead.a  R I didn't decide that VMS is dead.  This is the information that I've gathered fromG vendors (see Oracle example), other shops (how few VMS ads I see in the " paper anymore) and the trade rags.    B > > When it comes down to it, what will keep my Viper full of gas? >f > OPEC  	 Ha ha ha!t  O I was thinking more along the line of "which OSes and/or platforms on my resumec! will keep the Viper full of gas?"e  S Do you think that most people going after their MCSE are doing it because they wantm toR learn more about Microsoft products?  No.  They want to be able to put it on their resume..   -Scott   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2000 01:49:00 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris+ Message-ID: <yUw5f3xKw4Dp@eisner.decus.org>   P In article <39C17AA0.33B4D782@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes:   > L > Do you think that most people going after their MCSE are doing it because O > they want to learn more about Microsoft products?  No.  They want to be able . > to put it on their resume. >   A 	I overhear conversations all the time about the next certificatei? 	"they" are going to earn.  One fellow has an entire wall lineda> 	with them.  Another fellow is building up quite a collection.A 	Another fellow sadly only has 2 or 3 ... but they are good ones.   A 	Why MCSE?  I have a theory... I think a good deal of these folks B 	are insecure.  They don't have a Bachelors or Masters in Computer? 	Science so when it comes right down to some of the hard theorysB 	about knowing these things ... they fall short.  Case in point...C 	I took the time to print out about 3 inches worth of RAID materiala@ 	from DECUS to broaden a few ... I believe it went in the trash.@ 	When I asked later:  "What did you think?"  I got an answer the; 	commander in chief would have been proud of.  Major Dodge.s  5 	These guys are fairly bright.. don't get me wrong.   @ 	Trainable.  I also have another little theory.. the commercials= 	from the 80's blared out:  "Learn to Drive the Big Rigs."  I > 	used to have a good banter with my buddy in my old small townC 	about it.  "He's a true trucker!!!" we would say... but I digress.m> 	The ad today could read:  "Learn to Run the Big Rigs."  Maybe? 	they could get the same agencies.  Perhaps they could blow thenE 	dust off the old ads and pencil in computers instead of 18 wheelers.   D 	But your case?  Yes.  Solaris is a good OS.  But from my experience@ 	with AIX (5-6 years) it is quite apparent that Unix will always@ 	be "almost" as good as VMS.  But hey, you gotta feed the Viper!  B 	Oh... one other thought.  I stuck with VMS because I am convinced? 	it will scale higher than any other OS.  It hasn't proven that2A 	yet but I am fairly confident it will (give it 2-3 years).  With @ 	Gnutella and follow-ons I believe we are on the leading edge of? 	massive I/O needs Internet-wide and Web Caching will only help D 	marginally as we are pretty random people hitting random pages, eh?  C 	My point?  There is a box and an OS that will push I/O better thanvA 	anyone and that is VMS Galaxy and Marvel and son-of-Marvel.  The ? 	trick would be hide the back-end and that won't be too far outmA 	either.  IBM will be instrumental in doing this with Linux push.l@ 	After all, IBM can't afford to have OS/400 and OS/390 drag themG 	down to the pit so those two OSes among others must become transparent.1 	to the end user.  The same could be said of VMS.r  > 	In fact, in Oracle shoot-outs in a couple years VMS should beB 	on top.  Who will buy it?  Those interested in performance at all@ 	costs.  These are customers that have VERY deep pockets.  ChaseA 	Manhattan Bank, Bank of New York, etc.  Folks that would be verynC 	interested in having a performance edge over their competition andbA 	maybe their best kept secret is it involves VMS.  But then everytA 	now and then one of them show up here and guess what?  You might-0 	want to conclude they are using VMS.  Shhhh!!!!   				Rob0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:04:23 -0700S) From: Rick Cadruvi <rick@rick.rdperf.com>t; Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharingw/ Message-ID: <39C08687.645F2D3B@rick.rdperf.com>e  4 A LAN modem (Modem router) is cheap and works GREAT.: I have the NETGear one (also does RAS for dialin from the : outside world).  If 4 ports isn't enough you get an uplink< cable and plug one port into another cheap hub (I did this).  8 I have 2 VMS systems, Win2K, Win98SE, and a WinMe system' all sharing the same dialup connection.   > I used to have cable modem (before I moved) and I routed that 5 just fine with several systems including VMS systems.a  ) I do this with DSL at the office as well.i  8 DSL routes work the same way.  The one port router from = LINKSYS (I have the 4 port) is approx $100.  For DSL or cableg5 modem it is GREAT.  You can also do IP forwarding by  6 IP Port# so that you can have different systems act as5 servers for different tasks (HTTP, FTP, SMTP, etc...)e# Their 4 port router is approx $160.    Just my Opinion...   Rick...w   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > - > In article <39c0121e.46402967@news.mv.com>, 5 >  djlong@wild_wizards.net (David J. P. Long) writes:e > |>K > |> The problem arises when the following questions don't all have perfect 
 > |> answers:n > |>< > |> - Does the DSL provider allow more than one IP address?? > |> - What if the DSL 'modem' you quote above isn't supported?a > |>G > |> And, of course, it's perfectly reasonable to expect a small ISP to'D > |> have expertise in only handling Wintel or Mac boxes as clients. > E > As much as people here hate to hear the "U" word, this is a problem C > easily solved with a $100 386 box running FreeBSD.   No keyboard,dC > no monitor, a minimum of RAM.  The kind you find in flea markets.tE > I did it for a couple years with a dialup connection, and now do itlB > with a cable modem.  It took only minor configuration changes toD > move from one to the other.  The box itself sits in the cellar andD > and I never even have to go near it.  And, unlike a Windows box, IE > can say with total confidence that it will work perfectly well withrH > VMS hosts on the network because what you build will bear a remarkableD > likeness to the majority of commercial routers being sold for many > thousands more dollars.. >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:19:19 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)m# Subject: W W W.NETWORKS.DIGITAL.COMw0 Message-ID: <009F01E7.9DB98EE7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  0 What has happened to WWW.NETWORKS.DIGITAL.COM???   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMb            gO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:08:40 -0500k7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>n> Subject: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)- Message-ID: <39C192B8.AC4348F9@earthlink.net>r   Tim Shoppa wrote:  >  > Terry Kennedy wrote: > >rJ > > In alt.folklore.computers Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:O > >   If you take the cost out of their salary, you'll have several generations.F > > of clueless-but-well-intentioned people working there for free 8-) > >vC > > > The sudden pressure from the halon dump sent numerous ceilingML > > > tiles flying, as well as large stacks of paper that were blown off the > > > consoles.y > >cB > >   No under-floor heads, eh? You can launch floor tiles, too... > ? > There were under-floor heads, but (AFAIK) no floor tiles wentA > ballistic.  D Question: Does ANYone out there have a dictionary (English language)H wherein the definition of the word "ballistic" does not CONTAIN the word "ballistic"?   -- u David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:40:08 -0400p  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>B Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)6 Message-ID: <1000914232126.11596A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  - On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, David J. Dachtera wrote:p   > Tim Shoppa wrote:o > >  > > Terry Kennedy wrote: > > >eL > > > In alt.folklore.computers Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:Q > > >   If you take the cost out of their salary, you'll have several generations H > > > of clueless-but-well-intentioned people working there for free 8-) > > >aE > > > > The sudden pressure from the halon dump sent numerous ceiling N > > > > tiles flying, as well as large stacks of paper that were blown off the > > > > consoles.b > > > D > > >   No under-floor heads, eh? You can launch floor tiles, too... > > A > > There were under-floor heads, but (AFAIK) no floor tiles went' > > ballistic. > F > Question: Does ANYone out there have a dictionary (English language)J > wherein the definition of the word "ballistic" does not CONTAIN the word > "ballistic"?  E bal-lis-tic adj [L ballista] (ca. 1775): of or relating to ballisticsr: or to a body in motion according to the laws of ballistics  - Whoops, but "ballistic" .nes. 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