1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 15 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 517       Contents: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale6 BUGCHECK; PROCGONE, process not in system --> SHUTDOWN: Re: BUGCHECK; PROCGONE, process not in system --> SHUTDOWN: Re: BUGCHECK; PROCGONE, process not in system --> SHUTDOWN Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo RE: Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo RE: Compaq VMS promo RE: Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: DEC business Link  Re: DEC business Link 2 Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?2 RE: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody? re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Hobbyist Cluster?  Re: Hobbyist Cluster? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out? # Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?  Re: kill nslookup  Re: kill nslookup ) Re: need to convert DIF to delimited text ) Re: need to convert DIF to delimited text  Re: new directions5 RE: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation  QUANTUM, AWSTIME and IOTA 4 Re: System node identifier and cluster configuration4 Re: System node identifier and cluster configuration0 Re: TCPIP restart needed for secondary interface Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris ) Upcoming second IBM failure at olympics ? 9 Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 9 RE: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 9 Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 9 Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 9 Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 9 RE: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 9 RE: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 9 Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 9 RE: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2000 13:36:35 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) ! Subject: Re: Big AlphaServer Sale + Message-ID: <5TsAJrONOEyI@eisner.decus.org>   V In article <00256954.0046C207.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk writes:? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  >  >  > Andrew posted; > K > "The DOE deal is worth 200 million dollars and requires Compaq to deliver O > 375 fully configured WildFire servers and 600 TB of storage. But at list this K > configuration would according to the TPC-C unit pricing cost 1.45 billion  > dollars."  > P > I have no idea how much these systems would cost, but my arithmetic makes this > just under $4m per system. >  > That can't be right, can it? > Q > $200m works out at about $550k per system. Given the number and the discount is 2 > that a truer figure? It seems more likely to me. > 7 > Like I say, I have no idea, but if anyone else has...  >  > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow Pages   E Look at the TPC hardware configurations. They typically throw LOTS of F hardware at these benchmarks, with the goal being biggest possible TPCF number, not price performance. The last configuration I saw had 52 HSGK controllers and 52 KGPSA controllers, one per disk array port! 9G drives to I maximize spindle count thus thruput. 8 PCI card cages to hold everything.   I These are not typical configurations, even for a large production system.      	Bob Kaplow	  J jeshuel@earthlink.net postmaster@127.0.0.1 webmaster@global-prosperity.comJ paul@still.zzn.com newyorker@cartoonbank.exactis.com Blindfury1010@aol.comE strategies1221f@hotmail.com ahogan3@ford.com brenda@mail.anet-chi.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:10:08 +0200 F From: Bilgihan Bircan <E-Bilgihan.Bircan@ca.com.do.not.send.junk.mail>? Subject: BUGCHECK; PROCGONE, process not in system --> SHUTDOWN < Message-ID: <39C21FB0.CA1C178F@ca.com.do.not.send.junk.mail>   Hi all,   2 did any of you see such error even has a solution?  
 I tried also:  o >>>boot -fl 0,1 <sys-disk>   sysboot> USE DEFAULT   sysboot> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"    sysboot> CONTINUE   / after awhile, I see the same error (see below)!   G Are there any other possibility to get it rid of, w/o new installation?   1 I'm glad to hear any positive hint to solve this.    Thanks in advance    Bilgihan    B ################################################################## >>> boot7 ****OpenVMS Alpha Opering System V7.2-1 - BUGCHECK **** 3 ** Code = 0000036C: PROCGONE, process not in system 0 ** Crash CPU:00 Primary CPU:00 Active CPUs:00001 ** Current Process: SYSINIT  ** Crrent PSB ID = 00000001  ** Image Name = - **** Starting Memory Dump at 1-jan-1998 00:00 2 .................................................. .... completed     system shutdown complete   halted cpu 0  
 halt code = 5  HALT instruction executed  PC = ffffffff800887c0    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:47:48 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) C Subject: Re: BUGCHECK; PROCGONE, process not in system --> SHUTDOWN 0 Message-ID: <009F0282.788C4873@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <39C21FB0.CA1C178F@ca.com.do.not.send.junk.mail>, Bilgihan Bircan <E-Bilgihan.Bircan@ca.com.do.not.send.junk.mail> writes:  >Hi all, > 3 >did any of you see such error even has a solution?  >  >I tried also: >o >>>boot -fl 0,1 <sys-disk>  >  sysboot> USE DEFAULT   >  sysboot> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" >  sysboot> CONTINUE > 0 >after awhile, I see the same error (see below)! > H >Are there any other possibility to get it rid of, w/o new installation? > 2 >I'm glad to hear any positive hint to solve this. >  >Thanks in advance > 	 >Bilgihan  >  > C >################################################################## 	 >>>> boot 8 >****OpenVMS Alpha Opering System V7.2-1 - BUGCHECK ****4 >** Code = 0000036C: PROCGONE, process not in system1 >** Crash CPU:00 Primary CPU:00 Active CPUs:00001  >** Current Process: SYSINIT >** Crrent PSB ID = 00000001 >** Image Name =. >**** Starting Memory Dump at 1-jan-1998 00:004 >................................................... >..... completed   >  >system shutdown complete  > 
 >halted cpu 0  >  >halt code = 5 >HALT instruction executed >PC = ffffffff800887c0    E Is this system in a cluster?  Is its system device mounted on another  booted member?    E During bootstrap and, specifically in the SYSINIT process, the system F disk is mounted prior to executing the STARTUP process.  Changes made D to MOUNT will not permit a volume mounted on another member to mountE during the primordial mount in SYSINIT.  The bootstrap fails, SYSINIT D dies and you get the PROCGONE bugcheck.  Other errors such as faultyE initialization procedures in loadable execs postponed for initializa- ( tion for this stage can also cause this.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:01:12 +0200 F From: Bilgihan Bircan <E-Bilgihan.Bircan@ca.com.do.not.send.junk.mail>C Subject: Re: BUGCHECK; PROCGONE, process not in system --> SHUTDOWN < Message-ID: <39C239B8.FD6FD00B@ca.com.do.not.send.junk.mail>  
 > >Hi all, > > 5 > >did any of you see such error even has a solution?  > >  > >I tried also: > >o >>>boot -fl 0,1 <sys-disk>  > >  sysboot> USE DEFAULT " > >  sysboot> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN" > >  sysboot> CONTINUE > > 2 > >after awhile, I see the same error (see below)! > > J > >Are there any other possibility to get it rid of, w/o new installation? > > 4 > >I'm glad to hear any positive hint to solve this. > >  > >Thanks in advance > >  > >Bilgihan  > >  > > E > >##################################################################  > >>>> boot : > >****OpenVMS Alpha Opering System V7.2-1 - BUGCHECK ****6 > >** Code = 0000036C: PROCGONE, process not in system3 > >** Crash CPU:00 Primary CPU:00 Active CPUs:00001  > >** Current Process: SYSINIT > >** Crrent PSB ID = 00000001 > >** Image Name =0 > >**** Starting Memory Dump at 1-jan-1998 00:006 > >................................................... > >..... completed > >  > >system shutdown complete  > >  > >halted cpu 0  > >  > >halt code = 5 > >HALT instruction executed > >PC = ffffffff800887c0 > G > Is this system in a cluster?  Is its system device mounted on another  > booted member? > G > During bootstrap and, specifically in the SYSINIT process, the system G > disk is mounted prior to executing the STARTUP process.  Changes made F > to MOUNT will not permit a volume mounted on another member to mountG > during the primordial mount in SYSINIT.  The bootstrap fails, SYSINIT F > dies and you get the PROCGONE bugcheck.  Other errors such as faultyG > initialization procedures in loadable execs postponed for initializa- * > tion for this stage can also cause this. >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  > Q > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.     	 Hi Brian,   @ it's a standalone one. I could boot the machine from CD and able5 to mount the system disk, i.e. the system disk is ok.    Bilgihan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:37:14 -0400 . From: Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com> Subject: Compaq VMS promo 8 Message-ID: <000801c01f1a$13009570$2b96a8c6@mscmain.com>  K So has everyone gotten their VMS promo package in the mail yet?  Nice Super 9 ball with light inside.  Wtih a note from Rich M. Saying: B "One of our customers recently reminded me that Compaw Open VMS onK AlphaServer systems requires such little management that you can spend some " time having a little fun.  Enjoy!"  D We already know that Rich!!!! Tell the rest of the folks out there!!   Hank Vander Waal Manufacturers Supply Co. Hudsonville MI   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:23:38 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo - Message-ID: <39C230EA.654CAB59@tsoft-inc.com>    Hank Vander Waal wrote:  > M > So has everyone gotten their VMS promo package in the mail yet?  Nice Super ; > ball with light inside.  Wtih a note from Rich M. Saying: D > "One of our customers recently reminded me that Compaw Open VMS onM > AlphaServer systems requires such little management that you can spend some $ > time having a little fun.  Enjoy!" > F > We already know that Rich!!!! Tell the rest of the folks out there!!  @ Well, some of the problem is that they may not know who to tell.  < Sue Skonetski has asked in the past for names and addresses.  M Getting the package, (yeah, I got mine yesterday, and had the same thoughts), N indicates that the VMS people are more than willing to try and get the message out.  Maybe we can help.  O If each VMS bigot that participates in this newsgroup would gather together the P names and addresses, whatever contact material available, for decision makers atO whatever sites they are aware of, customers, potential customers, whatever, and P forward the list to Sue, then the next superball with light (it is kind of neat)" may get to the appropriate people.  P Really, do it.  You may be the only one who knows about some good prospects.  IfK you're really interested in getting the work out, then the buck stops right  HERE.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:38:15 -0400 ) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>  Subject: RE: Compaq VMS promo B Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61EC@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----7 > From: Hank Vander Waal [mailto:hvanderw@NOVAGATE.COM]  > = > So has everyone gotten their VMS promo package in the mail   > yet?  Nice Super; > ball with light inside.  Wtih a note from Rich M. Saying: D > "One of our customers recently reminded me that Compaw Open VMS on? > AlphaServer systems requires such little management that you   > can spend some$ > time having a little fun.  Enjoy!"    = It's nice to have a reliable bouncy-ball.  (Don't you hate it @ when your ball suffers a spontaneous bounce failure and requires0 that you stop what you're doing to rebounce it?)  ? My question, since I try and plan for the long term, is how to   you replace the battery?   :^)   ; The ball is my new favorite VMS gizmo (replacing my Digital > coffee mug - "VAX 8250 VAX 8350 VAX 8530 - Redefining Midrange Performance").   Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:59:22 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1509001059220001@user-2iveche.dialup.mindspring.com>  h In article <000801c01f1a$13009570$2b96a8c6@mscmain.com>, Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote:  M > So has everyone gotten their VMS promo package in the mail yet?  Nice Super ; > ball with light inside.  Wtih a note from Rich M. Saying: D > "One of our customers recently reminded me that Compaw Open VMS onM > AlphaServer systems requires such little management that you can spend some $ > time having a little fun.  Enjoy!"  O Got it yesterday.  But someone had already opened the box and bounced the ball! G It was all covered with floor lint. (Hmm.  Maybe the janitors have been  snoozing too much lately.)  I It's going to be tough to change the batteries when they go dead.  Unless   these are "Nonstop" batteries...   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:36:18 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk Subject: RE: Compaq VMS promo / Message-ID: <0025695B.005AF304.00@quegw01.btyp>   = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza      Eric posted;  > >It's nice to have a reliable bouncy-ball.  (Don't you hate itA >when your ball suffers a spontaneous bounce failure and requires 1 >that you stop what you're doing to rebounce it?)   N The way to stop this is to NOT bounce it when it is too hot or too cold, don'tK bounce it on the carpet unless you are wearing a grounding wrist-strap, and 6 don't bounce it in the bathroom (humidity you know)...   ;^D   % BTW, can us non-US people expect one?    Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pages    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:48:29 -0400 ) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>  Subject: RE: Compaq VMS promo B Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61ED@and02.drc.com>  0 You forgot "don't modify the registry entries",  		"don't read any bounce-mail", 5 		"don't install any bounce-ware that installs DLLs",  		etc.   :^)    Eric Ebinger   > -----Original Message-----& > From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk) > [mailto:Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk] + > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:36 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: RE: Compaq VMS promo  >  > ? > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  >  >  > Eric posted; > @ > >It's nice to have a reliable bouncy-ball.  (Don't you hate itC > >when your ball suffers a spontaneous bounce failure and requires 3 > >that you stop what you're doing to rebounce it?)  > > > The way to stop this is to NOT bounce it when it is too hot  > or too cold, don't= > bounce it on the carpet unless you are wearing a grounding   > wrist-strap, and8 > don't bounce it in the bathroom (humidity you know)... >  > ;^D  > ' > BTW, can us non-US people expect one?  >  > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow Pages  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:29:45 GMT 5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>S Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo 8 Message-ID: <ofj4ssofehdvntepf0ie2mig9n3cp5q50f@4ax.com>  E On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:59:22 -0400, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert  Deininger) wrote:H  i >In article <000801c01f1a$13009570$2b96a8c6@mscmain.com>, Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com> wrote:E >oN >> So has everyone gotten their VMS promo package in the mail yet?  Nice Super< >> ball with light inside.  Wtih a note from Rich M. Saying:E >> "One of our customers recently reminded me that Compaw Open VMS onLN >> AlphaServer systems requires such little management that you can spend some% >> time having a little fun.  Enjoy!"e >aP >Got it yesterday.  But someone had already opened the box and bounced the ball!H >It was all covered with floor lint. (Hmm.  Maybe the janitors have been >snoozing too much lately.)y >wJ >It's going to be tough to change the batteries when they go dead.  Unless! >these are "Nonstop" batteries...v   anyone cut theirs apart yet ?e  + I couldn't see any batteries,  so wondered i1 if the LED's are lit by piezo-electrics, instead?o   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2000 17:15:34 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)i Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promoe, Message-ID: <8ptlfm$2ndg$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  8 In article <000801c01f1a$13009570$2b96a8c6@mscmain.com>,1  Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com> writes:/ |> iN |> So has everyone gotten their VMS promo package in the mail yet?  Nice Super |> ball with light inside.    G Super Ball??  Mine was anything but "super".  It barely bounces at all.eC At least a super ball would have been fun, especially in the labs!!   ; |>                         Wtih a note from Rich M. Saying:EE |> "One of our customers recently reminded me that Compaw Open VMS onaN |> AlphaServer systems requires such little management that you can spend some% |> time having a little fun.  Enjoy!"a  H Yeah, but some of us don't have Alphas.  Of course, I'll gladly trade my super ball for a couple.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:36:46 -0400o5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>- Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promoo6 Message-ID: <8ptmla$bqc$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   We are VMS and we have balls!i  E Here are some answers to some of the questions raised in this string.   L Yes there are batteries in the balls and if you drop the ball in a stairwellD that is 4 floors high, replacing the battery is no longer a problem.< Neither is bouncing the ball to much.  This has been tested.  G If you received a ball that does not light, sell it to a big company in B Redmond for a million dollars they are used to that kind of thing.  L If you are outside of the US you will be receiving a package if your name is' in the database.  It just takes longer.e  J Also if people have done the automatic subscription to OpenVMS and checked4 the yes please put me in the database you are added., http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/  
 Best Regards,r   SueY  H All opinions stated are my own and should be viewed as personal opinion.        D Bill Gunshannon wrote in message <8ptlfm$2ndg$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>...9 >In article <000801c01f1a$13009570$2b96a8c6@mscmain.com>, 2 > Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com> writes: >|>nI >|> So has everyone gotten their VMS promo package in the mail yet?  Nice8 Superr >|> ball with light inside.  >hH >Super Ball??  Mine was anything but "super".  It barely bounces at all.D >At least a super ball would have been fun, especially in the labs!! >g< >|>                         Wtih a note from Rich M. Saying:F >|> "One of our customers recently reminded me that Compaw Open VMS onJ >|> AlphaServer systems requires such little management that you can spend some& >|> time having a little fun.  Enjoy!" >nI >Yeah, but some of us don't have Alphas.  Of course, I'll gladly trade my; >super ball for a couple.y >m >billU >W >--eK >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.b >University of Scranton   |b? >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>N   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:31:39 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: DEC business Link- Message-ID: <39C1B43B.6C153BD4@tsoft-inc.com>i   Graham Allan wrote:  > 3 > Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:# >  > > Hoff Hoffman wrote:p > > >lK > > >   If you have strong feelings on this issue, please email them to thecC > > >   appropriate (high-level) folks.  See the FAQ for addresses.  > >r > >PJ > > Well, I was going to send a message, but I couldn't find the addresses > > in the FAQ.t > >n? > >       http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  > E > Yes, I was looking for that too. I'd be interested to know the best H > direction to send a message. It's hard enough buying Compaq gear right > now without this added step. > J > BTW, as of now, Businesslink is running with no message of any kind thatI > it might go away. I guess Compaq were just going to shut it off one day # > and have us wonder what happened?S   Maybe try something like this:  8 --------------------------------------------------------	 Subject: BE              Customer's being able to get a price on a Compaq product          Date: ,              Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:33:29 -0400         From: 1              David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>t  Organization: "              tsoft-inc.com           To: ;              Michael Capellas <Michael.Capellas@compaq.com>r
          CC:  !              Bill.Heil@compaq.com?   Mr Capellas,  
 The issue:  I   BusinessLink is (unfortunately) shutting down at the end of this month,#J   with no good replacement for customers -- resellers will have access to G   pricing information (via CPN or CompaqConnect), but no general access0E   to Compaq pricing (list or otherwise) will apparently be available.0  N Seems this has been discussed in the past.  Possibly Compaq needs to determine@ the stock holdings in Sun and Dell of their key decision makers?  M I have no idea of how you plan on selling computers, when a customer does notsM have ready access to something as simple as a Manufacturer's Suggested Retailo Price.  K I do believe that I can get a spreadsheet with Proliant pricing off the webiM site.  I'm wondering why Compaq's second team products, Alpha, Tru64, and VMSi7 cannot get similar service from the company's web site?   L What's really sad is that the problem isn't a total lack of information, butJ that an existing and valuable source of information is being discontinued,O without any replacement on the horizon, let alone already in place and working.r   Regards,   David Froble8 --------------------------------------------------------   Dave   -- f4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:19:18 -0500i# From: "Mark E. Levy" <mark@fsi.net>o Subject: Re: DEC business Link. Message-ID: <ss4mdtfedc643@corp.supernews.com>  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageu0 news:8pqp3j$odu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >u> > In article <39C00CA3.A2D769E7@wi.rr.com.nospam>, Scott Vieth! <svieth@wi.rr.com.nospam> writes:o. > :It has moved to www.businesslink.compaq.com >"K >   BusinessLink is (unfortunately) shutting down at the end of this month,lK >   with no good replacement for customers -- resellers will have access toaI >   pricing information (via CPN or CompaqConnect), but no general access G >   to Compaq pricing (list or otherwise) will apparently be available.#  C This is not good. I've used Businesslink, and I've used CPN. CPN is*J definately no Businesslink. I don't think I've ever been able to find what I'm looking for there.     --E ---------------------------------------------------------------------r Mark E. Levy, Presidente" System Management Associates, Inc.! 888-291-5055 x202 (Illinois Only)a$ 847-291-1550 x202 (Outside Illinois) 847-291-3866 fax www.sysman-inc.com levy@sysman-inc.com E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:40:49 -0400t* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>; Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?r- Message-ID: <39C1B661.6378DDCF@tsoft-inc.com>e   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > 8 > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >>8 > >> Actually, you will have better luck with the 264DP. > + > > Who makes it, and where can I get them?  > H > The question should be, how much will one cost!  I don't think they'reN > something a Hobbyist can afford, and Hobbyists are the only ones that should3 > be messing with such a unsupported configuration.p >  >                         Zane  # I'll definitely second this advice.   M First, the 264DP (no, I didn't check) doesn't appear to be a low-end product.   L If you are counting on a VMS system, (and when people count on a VMS system,G they expect quite a bit), then you need a Compaq VMS supported piece of P hardware.  Since the VMS people spend quite a bit of time qualifying the systemsL manufactured by Compaq, I really don't see them, without some sound businessN reason, qualifying third party gear.  This doesn't stop the third party peopleM from getting their configurations qualified, which may or may not require the ! participation of VMS development.o  P If you're playing, then it's Ok to play with various bits and pieces.  If you'reP running the important stuff for an entity, get the 100% qualified gear, and thenM enjoy life a bit, secure in the knowledge that VMS won't let you down, and if!F something does occur, you have the best support available to help you.  O Another subject is a supported ultra low-end VMS system, but that's not part ofr this thread.   Dave   -- u4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:00:24 -0400o' From: Dan Allen <daniel.allen@nist.gov>e; Subject: RE: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?e@ Message-ID: <NEBBIALHDHJMJINPGMOAGEEOCJAA.daniel.allen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Zane H. Healy [mailto:healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com]k+ > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 12:09 AMn > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms= > Subject: Re: FS: Cheap 164LX with 533Mhz 21164 CPU anybody?a >  > 8 > David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >> e8 > >> Actually, you will have better luck with the 264DP. > + > > Who makes it, and where can I get them?h > H > The question should be, how much will one cost!  I don't think they'reN > something a Hobbyist can afford, and Hobbyists are the only ones that should3 > be messing with such a unsupported configuration.r  H   Why?  I've run various "unsupported" VMS configurations over the yearsH   with very good success.  If you can save your company significant $$$$I   and the system runs with sufficient reliability (most of mine have beenpF   totally reliable) what's the problem? Heck, even my 164LX which FredF   and Hoff assert (and I believe them!!) to have exhibited problems inI   their testing runs 24 X 7 on my desktop churning out C compiles.  A lot C   better reliability than the supported configuration on my NT box.-     Dan 	 > 			Zane  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:38:09 +0100C/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>9& Subject: re: Halon dump - a data point6 Message-ID: <009F0289.8119987E.2@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>  	 > WARNING@M > Dangerous gas formed when used to extinguish flame or on contact with heat.l >  > M > So, until I see a FULL formula of all the byproducts of Halon when it comes K > into contact with heat/fire, I will continue to trust the warnings on therM > extinguishers and dismiss the speculation from all those who claim Halon iseO > perfectly safe. I'll let them test Darwin's theories by staying in a computeroP > room during halon discharge, especially if there are hot surfaces somewhere in > the room.o >   G I always knew that it makes poisonous chemicals when it contacts a firehG or a red-hot surface. However, the same fire will do that all by itself J if unextinguished and able to grow. If you are in a region that suffers a G halon dump in response to a real fire, GET OUT NOW is very good advice.-I If you don't know if there's a fire or not, GET OUT NOW is similarly goodmA advice. Assume there is until the fire department says otherwise.   E One of these poisons is phosgene, which was used as a war gas in WWI.mC But note, a fire burning PVC or other chlorinated plastic will alsocH emit phosgene. And the quantity emitted is a function of the size of theD fire. Better to snuff a small fire out fast with halon, than allow a large one to develop.   F HOWEVER: if a halon dump happens in the absence of fire, the halon gasB un-exposed to great heat or fire is pretty harmless. (Exceptions: E if you are a smoker, get rid of the cigarette! And of course, it's a y' CFC, so it's bad for the ozone layer). a   	Yours,e
 		Nigel Arnoto- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."c   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:43:20 GMT & From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point1 Message-ID: <39c1e0a8.757695288@news.newsguy.com>-  4 On 15 Sep 2000 01:21:46 GMT, X@Y.Z.net (Jynx) wrote:  ; >On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:26:17 GMT, Terry Kennedy scribbled:eA >>In alt.folklore.computers Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote:0P >>> Geez!  A computer room with a 90' ceiling.  Were you keeping your systems in >>> a high school gym?  ;^)D >>I >>  There is allegedly some huge space at a government facility that was iE >>used at one time for classfied experiments (and thus had impressives/ >>amounts of guards) which was no longer used, r >o7 >Is that where 'they' did the fake moon landings?   <G>i  E Nope the faked moon landings were filmed on Mars with the help of thet aliens.w     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2000 08:59:39 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point+ Message-ID: <dbwKCrMPxB8c@eisner.decus.org>c  K In article <slrn8s2ud9.cdi.X@animas.frontier.net>, X@Y.Z.net (Jynx) writes:C< > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:26:17 GMT, Terry Kennedy scribbled:A >>In alt.folklore.computers Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote:lP >>> Geez!  A computer room with a 90' ceiling.  Were you keeping your systems in >>> a high school gym?  ;^)  >>I >>  There is allegedly some huge space at a government facility that was eE >>used at one time for classfied experiments (and thus had impressive / >>amounts of guards) which was no longer used, c > 8 > Is that where 'they' did the fake moon landings?   <G> >   B    Nope.  Got bigger rooms than that, but have to show them to the;    public all day and the museums got all the leftover LMs.e  H    Yep, sometimes have to have computers in them, though they were built9    more to house the things the computers are supporting.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:56:21 -0400a& From: "Mike Duffy" <mdduffy@erols.com>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point+ Message-ID: <8pt9ou$lvm$1@bob.news.rcn.net>u  B Yes, CO2 has the byproduct of a fairly rapid temperature reduction@ when released.  However, it was also my understanding that there> was an accompanying static discharge severe enough to threaten+ the very machines it's supposed to protect?:   Anyone?        Eric Smith wrote in message ...e! >D.T <dtroake@sofcom.com> writes:F> >> We had an accidental discharge of the CO2 with out warning.? >> It is quite scary as the whole room went white with fog. TheaF >> temperature dropped 15 degrees in less than 30 sec and the cabinets >> were covered in dry ice.i >MI >More likely just ordinary H2O frost.  Not much chance of CO2 solidifyingt+ >on a surface that was at room temperature.r   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2000 17:17:49 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)o& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point, Message-ID: <8ptljt$2ndg$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>  + In article <8pt9ou$lvm$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,t)  "Mike Duffy" <mdduffy@erols.com> writes:nE |> Yes, CO2 has the byproduct of a fairly rapid temperature reductionwC |> when released.  However, it was also my understanding that there A |> was an accompanying static discharge severe enough to threatenr. |> the very machines it's supposed to protect? |> d
 |> Anyone?  D I would think the increase in relative humidity caused by the suddenF decrease in temperature would preclude any large generation of static.C Of course, computers don't really like concensing humidity either!!f   bill   -- sJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:54:00 +0200t( From: Etienne Vogt <vogt@alice.obspm.fr> Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?. Message-ID: <39C110B8.EEA53B4C@alice.obspm.fr>   Christopher Smith wrote:E > On the 3200, you need to pull the graphics board, since there is nosL > switch, and it assumes that if a graphics board is present, the console isI > there.  Also, you'll need to shuffle the rest of the boards when you doe0 > this, since the VAXStation 3200 is a qbus box.  K You can get the console back to the serial port on a VS3200 with a graphicshK board, but this requires to disable autoboot. Then issuing a break from theeK serial console after the powerup tests are finished will switch the consolesJ prompt back to the serial console. It will stay there until the machine is6 powered down or hard reset via the Restart/Run switch.   -- m# 		Etienne Vogt (vogt @ na.astro.it) ) 		Osservatorio Astronomico di Capodimonte. 		Napoli, Italia   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2000 17:02:01 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)r Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?, Message-ID: <8ptkm9$2ndg$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  O In article <FAAA48102A45094D.0CF92B0355E2EC79.0581E65AEF388CA5@lp.airnews.net>,h2  Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: |>  E |> If you don't put a graphics board in your MV II, it will work much I |> better.  Motif takes a big chunk of memory and is pretty slow on MV IIoF |> graphics hardware.  Running it through terminals, though, does work |> pretty well.   " But, where's the fun in that?? :-)   |> mH |> My personal favorite for the VS3100 system disk is a Seagate ST41200NK |> (aka CDC Wren 7).  This is a 1GB 5 1/4" disk, so it will need a separategH |> box (an SZ12 works well.  Need one?), but it is built like a tank and  K Well, it wouldn't hurt.  All you can fit inside are real small (physically)cL disks.  I probably have some full height 5 1/4" drives in the couple hundredN megabyte range that could be used for VMS if I had something to stuff them in.       |> SJ |> If you have a VAXstation 3100 without an additional graphics board, youK |> have a mono system.  There is one other possibility to check.  Make sure.K |> that you have a mono video cable.  If you don't match the cable with the|- |> graphics, you won't get a picture either.    J Well, I wondered about that.  I was told it didn't make any difference butG the cable I have has keyboard and mouse connectors on the monitor end. nH Considering that the keyboard and mouse plug into the back of the systemI unit, this seemed rather strange.  I suspected this was the cable I would G need to hook up to the graphics system on the MicroVAX II when I put itcK together.  Could be I was right and the problem is only the wrong cable andp not bad hardware in the box.   |> > sK |> > I think I have a VCB02 floating around here somewhere, but if the monoaJ |> > VAXStation 3100 works I won't have a spare keyboard, mouse or monitor |> > for the MicroVAX II.b |> aH |> Adding a VCB02 will make a MicroVAX II a VAXstation II.  It will also@ |> change your VMS license type.  You may want to take that into |> consideration.s  J Yes, but I don;t think that is a problem with the Hobbyist License.  WorstM case I will need to go back and apply for a different license PAK on the web.    Thanks for the help.   bill   -- dJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:44:04 -0400g* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?- Message-ID: <39C1B724.3618F0FD@tsoft-inc.com>m   hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m wrote:r > D > These recent results were ready to be published on Monday, but ourG > marketing folks in their infinite wisdom deem it better to wait for a-) > press-release opportunity or some such.   M This is the problem with the marketing people.  They are always waiting for a N good time, while the press is full of other vendor's stuff all the time.  They& should publish immediately, and often.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:22:08 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: Is there any new Alpha CPU out?< Message-ID: <Q0sw5.76780$NH2.602771@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   > >lF > > These recent results were ready to be published on Monday, but ourI > > marketing folks in their infinite wisdom deem it better to wait for am+ > > press-release opportunity or some such.e >nI > This is the problem with the marketing people.  They are always waitingi for a J > good time, while the press is full of other vendor's stuff all the time. They( > should publish immediately, and often.  H Yep. The Ragin' Cajun (Jim Carville) and his Clintonistae War Room offer? evidence of the value of aggressive and proactive engagement. Ih   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 08:20:07 -0500 1 From: Jeff Schreiber <SCHREIBER@Eisner.DECUS.org>  Subject: Re: kill nslookup1 Message-ID: <01JU71HFZJMQ008NE4@Eisner.DECUS.org>d  + helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) wrote:rI >Also, has the following but in SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP.EXE been fixed - >yet (I'll be upgrading soon): > ! >$  RUN SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUPn >Server:  thales.astro.rug.nl2 >Address:  129.125.6.224 > B >*** thales.astro.rug.nl can't find EXIT: Non-existent host/domain >> exitn >$ >,H >Note that Exit does not work either, but pressing ^Z does (difficult toF >do in a .COM file, however, which is where I often run this program).  H    "exit" does work.. it's just that when it comes to commands, nslookupK    is case sensitive.  Since DNS is not case sensitive, having the commands0K    be case sensitive makes it so that if you actually wanted to look up the,H    record with the name of "exit" you can by just uppercasing one of the    letters.o  7                                         -Jeff Schreiberd   --/ Jeff Schreiber,            Process Software LLCe1 schreiber@mx.process.com   http://www.process.coma+      TCPware & MultiNet: Stronger than Evero   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2000 17:24:52 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: kill nslookup. Message-ID: <8ptm14$lef$2@info.service.rug.nl>  @ In article <01JU71HFZJMQ008NE4@Eisner.DECUS.org>, Jeff Schreiber% <SCHREIBER@Eisner.DECUS.org> writes: -  , >helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) wrote:J >>Also, has the following but in SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP.EXE been fixed  >>yet (I'll be upgrading soon):a >>" >>$  RUN SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NSLOOKUP >>Server:  thales.astro.rug.nl >>Address:  129.125.6.224  >>C >>*** thales.astro.rug.nl can't find EXIT: Non-existent host/domain  >>> exit >>$- >>I >>Note that Exit does not work either, but pressing ^Z does (difficult to<G >>do in a .COM file, however, which is where I often run this program).a >oI >   "exit" does work.. it's just that when it comes to commands, nslookuptL >   is case sensitive.  Since DNS is not case sensitive, having the commandsL >   be case sensitive makes it so that if you actually wanted to look up theI >   record with the name of "exit" you can by just uppercasing one of thel >   letters.   Granted, but---bug or feature?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:43:53 GMTt From: rnbwil@my-deja.com2 Subject: Re: need to convert DIF to delimited text) Message-ID: <8pt92i$nrd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  C Excel will only do 65,000 lines.   Once we got our files cooked thee were about 5 million lines.   ) In article <39BCD9DE.BCA2F37D@ipact.com>,h%   Earl Lakia <lakia@ipact.com> wrote:eF > Import the files into Excel and export with the desired comma or tab% > delimited format (e.g., save as...)  >iF > Actually, the DIF format is rather trival and easy to convert with a > simple program.s > -- > Earl Lakia >s > rnbwil@my-deja.com wrote:a >  > > Hi,n > >oF > > We have some rather large dif files that were pulled from an AS400 andmH > > are destined eventually for an SQL server but we need to convet them! > > from dif to ^ delimited text.h > >oC > > CDA Convert wont do it on an Alpha, only VAX.  We're running ant AS1200 > > w/ OVMS 7.1-2. > > C > > I've fumbled through a DCL script that reads-a-record/writes-a-t record8 > > but it takes FOREVER and our files are 3gb and more. > >i > > Any suggestions? > >e
 > > Thanks	 > > Rustyd > >a* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.e >  >u    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.F   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2000 14:23:55 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)2 Subject: Re: need to convert DIF to delimited text+ Message-ID: <3FJ6dfQ46wwp@eisner.decus.org>e  ) In article <8pt92i$nrd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,e!  Rusty rnbwil@my-deja.com writes::E > Excel will only do 65,000 lines.   Once we got our files cooked theJ > were about 5 million lines.s >o  L If the fields in the records are a fixed size, the SORT/MERGE utility can be> used to do the conversion, if you set up a specification file.  H If not, then an editor macro would tend to be the next fastest solution.  K For simple one-shot conversions I tend to use TECO, otherwise I use EVE/TPU: procedures.e  O It sounds like you want to use an import procedure provided with the SQL server K to do the database load.  It may be worth the effort to write a custom load O procedure for your SQL database that can deal with what ever the DIF format is.,    H >> >> rnbwil@my-deja.com wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> >9 >> > We have some rather large dif files that were pulledv9 >> > from an AS400 and are destined eventually for an SQLi2 >> > server but we need to convet them from dif to >> > ^ delimited text.   -Johnm wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:34:43 +0000l$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk Subject: Re: new directionse/ Message-ID: <0025695B.003F5869.00@quegw01.btyp>e  = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza     O I see that someone is aware that they are spamming us, but it doesn't appear toZ have stopped them...  3 "If I received your email info-vax@mvb.saic.com..."8   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagesa        3 jstanford@gotfreemail.net on 14/09/2000 10:04:36 PM0    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)eC From:      jstanford@gotfreemail.net, 14 September 2000, 10:04 p.m.n   new directions           Hello,  A I was wondering if you were interested in DRAMATICALLY increasingwA your INTERNET SALES and SIGNUPS and getting MORE WEBSITE TRAFFIC.m  @ If you're interested, I'll send you this FREE REPORT ($30 value)A that will teach you how you can IMPROVE your e-Business big time!o  > This newly released FREE INSIDERS REPORT reveals everything...  ; TO RECEIVE YOUR FREE INSIDERS REPORT EMAIL ME RIGHT NOW AT:e; fusilade@netcourrier.com and type MORE in the subject line.s  = OR CLICK HERE... mailto:fusilade@netcourrier.com?subject=MOREe@ <A HREF="mailto:fusilade@netcourrier.com?subject=MORE">CLICK</A>  
 Best Regards,  James Stanford Stanford eBiz Marketinge  ? _______________________________________________________________U@ I received your email as someone interested in Internet Business= Services/Opps. If I received your email info-vax@mvb.saic.com ? in error, please send a blank e-mail to: mornot2@email.com withC@ "REMOVE" in the subject line and we will immediately remove you.@ List removal link click: mailto:mornot2@email.com?subject=REMOVE? _______________________________________________________________o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:57:48 +0100h8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>> Subject: RE: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentationL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EE3@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  C I've tried the page concerned with a few browsers (IE,NS, different	% versions) and don't see any problems.i  I Truncated pages are something I've seen occasionally when accessing pages:H via some caching/intervening system, usually when there's been a problem with that system.    John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:54:32 +0000k$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk" Subject: QUANTUM, AWSTIME and IOTA/ Message-ID: <0025695B.005C9FC8.00@quegw01.btyp>h   cc:i bcc:= Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazav   QUANTUM, AWSTIME and IOTAh    J We have a system upon which someone in the past reset QUANTUM and AWSTIME,A reducing them to 5. IOTA remains at 2. Should I reduce this to 1?e  K Not sure what information I should offer to help anyone to help me, but theaL system(s) are clustered 8400s, running OVMS 7.1-2 and Oracle. I am trying toL improve response times. I know that changes like this may influence responseH times only minimally, but I have to be seen to be doing something by the beancounters...n  L Alternatively, any resources about which will fully explain the relationship between these?   TIAt   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pages      [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:55:30 -0400u* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>= Subject: Re: System node identifier and cluster configuration<, Message-ID: <39C1B9D2.257D211@tsoft-inc.com>   cstranslations wrote:  > M > My concern. On the test system the system node identifier shows up as a hexmL > value in a show process/all command. I have gone into authorize and lookedN > through all of the identifiers. The value listed under sho proc/all does notN > appear to be present in the rights database. After a not very extensive lookI > at the docs the only thing that I can find is that it SYS$NODE__name isaI > created by startup.com (according to OpenVMS Guide to System Security).nL > Seems odd it would be "created" every time the system is booted - but what > ever.a  P First, get MOSPARAMS.DAT into shape, including SCSNODE and SCSSYSTEMID.  Then doL an AUTOGEN, all the way through REBOOT.  If they were not correct, the QUEUEL file and the DECNET database will not be correct.  Unless you have somethingN special set up for DECnet, using NETCONFIG (if using phase IV) will straightenN things up.  You may have to fix the TCP/IP database.  A START/QUE/MAN/NEW willN generate a new queue file.  Any queued jobs will be lost.  There's more in the FAQ.  I You need to get each node in order before clustering them.  Might be mucht happier down the road.  K I have to ask, why would you ever cluster the production system(s) with theeF development system(s)?  I'd want as much separation there as possible.   Dave   -- h4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:48:24 GMTt/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>n= Subject: Re: System node identifier and cluster configuration G Message-ID: <IMpw5.15485$6f1.682305@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   7 In my opinion you are asking the second question first:<  4 The first question should be SHOULD we cluster them?K     If you come up with good sound reasons, like one has a lot of free diskn space, or free cpu cycles,G     or if you share a lot of files and spend time copying them back anda forth to keep them in sych, or6     any other reasons that make clustering attractive.  G Then ONLY IF you come up with good answers to the first question,   you  should  aska"     why SHOULDN"T we cluster them?  J     These answers may include the cost of cluster licenses,  the sacrifice of stability because offH     closely tying a develoment box to a production box, the sacrifice of security  because of=     giving developers access to the production cluster etc...   K There is also those problems that you brought up.   Can your production boxo tolerate theJ interruptions that will inevitably occur during the clustering transition.  H There are also applications like TCP/IP that might be nice to install on your dev box before F attempting it on your production box.  Or you might be more willing to adjust a dynamicC sysgen parameter on a dev box before trying it on a production box.C    K Developers are largely an uncontrolled bunch.  They tend to lock files they> shouldnt;', consumerJ massive amounts of cpu while compiling, linking or testing programs.  They waste disk space  C Our company went through a lot of pain and expense to UNCLUSTER our  developmentoG box from our Production box, and it was the best time and money we ever  spent.  @ "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> wrote in message# news:##lnhMsHAHA.323@cpmsnbbsa09...G' > I'll try and make a long story short.g >>F > We have two Alpha 4100s running 7.1-1H2. One of them is a production systemL > and the other is a development box. We (possibly) want to cluster them. ToI > preempt a suggestion - getting off the hardware release is not up to mea (I'mI > not the systems manager - not that he would necessarily would have free  rainL > to go to 7.2 if he wanted to). I just happened to have a bit of experienceK > in his neck of the woods and was in the director's office when "why don't> weH > cluster them" was suggested and the system manager then wanted to know) > exactly how clustering is accomplished.  > I > My concern. On the test system the system node identifier shows up as a  hexaL > value in a show process/all command. I have gone into authorize and lookedJ > through all of the identifiers. The value listed under sho proc/all does not I > appear to be present in the rights database. After a not very extensiveo lookI > at the docs the only thing that I can find is that it SYS$NODE__name is I > created by startup.com (according to OpenVMS Guide to System Security). L > Seems odd it would be "created" every time the system is booted - but what > ever.m >aL > 1. Since I can't seen to find the identifier in the rights database on theF > test system - where is the value listed in the show proc/all command coming > from/being stored? >oG > 2. This particular box came from a division in south america (or somen such).J > The current node name is, I'm pretty sure, not the original system name. I'mtF > guessing that who ever changed the node name didn't get things quite right.G > Is simply creating the identifier in the rights database safe or am ImL > forgetting something  after not having been involved in systems management > for the past two years?d >eL > 3. What bearing does this identifier have (if any) on a cluster member (orE > setting one up)? I don't seem to remember it being tied up with the  expectedG > votes, quorum disk (if any),  scssystemid, or any of the other sysgenI* > parameters that have to be fiddled with. >C > TIA6 > joet >t >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:36:33 +0200d5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> 9 Subject: Re: TCPIP restart needed for secondary interfacer, Message-ID: <39C1D181.A08A05D@whitehouse.nl>  # michaelaustininc@hotmail.com wrote:l > 
 > Problem:H > Terminal server (DECServer 90M) intermittently is unable to connect toC > VMS system.  Restarting TCPIP corrects the situation (See restartaF > command procedure at end). It appears to be something in the routingH > that is causing the problem and not being a network guru can't seem to< > find the problem or why it works sometimes and not others.  F My advise would be to use traceroute to the decserver when the problem is present:0  / $ mc tcpip$traceroute <ip_address_of_decserver>a  E Also check the routing (show route) info when the problem is present.-   > $UCXF > set interface sea0 /host=192.168.0.201 /network_mask=255.255.255.240  @ This can be left out of this procedure after using the following command:  - $ tcpip set config interface sea0/etcetera...   + > set route 192.168.1.0 /gate=192.168.0.203n+ > set route 192.168.4.0 /gate=192.168.0.203o  D These two can be made permanent by using the /permanent qualifier on these commands.d   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:32:12 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris- Message-ID: <39C1C26C.76EC2C62@tsoft-inc.com>-   Scott Vieth wrote: >  > David A Froble wrote:0 > J > > So, if your company has a very successful product, which is still veryR > > successful, and it's capabilities do not appear to be diminishing, you give upS > > on it because it's time to move on?  If you have a tool, say a hammer, and it's.R > > every bit as good at driving nails as when you first bought it, you give it up@ > > because it's time to move on?  That's usually called stupid. > J > I don't think hammers stop working one day and then you find that hammer8 > support is either very expensive or very hard to find. > O > Let's say I want to build a house.  I'm very comfortable with my blue hammer.pS > But all of the cool new nails on the market can only be driven with a red hammer, U > what do I do?  Do I stick in the past until there are no more vendors selling nailse' > that can be driven with blue hammers?l  P You imply that the nails for blue hammers will no longer be available.  Skip theM hammers and nails.  VMS sales have turned around and are growing, slowly, butcP moving in the right direction.  Unless enough of the "VMS is dead" proclamationsO are challenged, this delicate situation could reverse again.  I don't think so, P but anything is possible.  My point is, VMS is NOT dead, and is NOT going away. H Stomping on any 'self fulfilling prophesies' may help keep the direction	 positive.n  N > The red hammers might not necessarily be better but if more people are usingP > red hammers, the odds are good that the industry wil not give up on supporting > the red hammer market. > = > > It's almost as bad as the people waiting for NT to become * > > secure/robust/reliable/name-your-wait.   Ditto!  H > Oh, I agree 100%.  NT is definitely not the little brother of VMS thatE > everyone predicted it would be.  Helen Custer's book on NT makes it C > sound like VMS was ported to Intel and then improved.  Real worldnG > experience shows that NT is closer to Windows 3.1 than anything else.o > I > > > We are seeing fewer and fewer vendors who are willing to keep theire > > > software updated on VMS. > > P > > Well, if you accept such treatment, then they will put you at the end of the	 > > list.  > O > I don't think it is up to us to "accept" it or not.  We have to take what theyJ > market gives us.  God, I'd love to be able to order a Z28 just like theyD > made 'em in 1969.  But it ain't gonna happen.  The world moved on.J > If you didn't like the migration to fuel injection and electronic engine! > controls, then you get to walk.2  O Had one, know the feeling.  I don't feel it's a good example.  Let's use V8s assO an example.  If the only cars customers bought had a V8, you would see many V8s.K coming out of Detroit.  since enough people were willing to switch to 4 cyl P engines, the auto companies could live off them, and can ignore the rest of us. M Important point is enough people willing to switch.  If everyone who ever raniO Oracle on VMS refused to switch, you'd see Larry singing a different tune.  So,nP every time someone says, it's time to follow the pack, they are the ones causing the increasing lack of support.o  I > As customers, we don't have enough pull to force vendors to support VMSh. > if *they* don't see it as a viable platform.  K Seen any fuel in British gas stations lately?  Customer's have the ultimated8 pull, if they use it.  They're not even trying any more.  T > > Tell Larry he's going to lose significant business, and that you're NOT going toN > > move to another platform in order to use his products.  Watch Larry changeR > > course rather quickly.  The problem here is the VMS people using Oracle.  TheyR > > wait around for crumbs instead of letting Larry know that they will be looking3 > > for another database, and not another platform.c > O > I think that Larry has probably thought about these things while counting hisoR > billions and billions of dollars.  Somewhere, a beancounter or six, has compiledR > a spreadsheet that says "If we stop giving a rats ass about Oracle on VMS, we'llJ > lose less business than it will cost to continue porting Oracle to VMS." > L > One of the reasons we are leaning toward Solaris is that Oracle has a good > relationshipS > with Sun.  If we're going to continue to lean heavily on Oracle, then we're goinge0 > to move to an OS that Uncle Larry approves of.  O So, you're moving to reliable *STATIC* Sun systems?  ROTFLMAO!  I have a bridgeeP in Brooklyn for sale.  Interested?  Or maybe you'd like some STATIC removers?  AM few extra air conditioners may be necessary to satisify the SUN folks.  StillwN ROTFLMAO!  Oh, and I have some Intel 1.13 GHz systems for sale, real reliable, right up there with the SUNs.h  B > We're not going to move to another database just to stay on VMS.   Larry is so happy to hear that!r  0 Static removers for sale, buy one, get one free!  N > > > I went to an Oracle DBA class about a year ago and of the 30 students inF > > > the room, I was the only one who was working with Oracle on VMS.K > > > Half the people in the room didn't even know what VMS was.   A few of.D > > > the folks who *did* know what VMS was just said "VMS is dead". > > 5 > > Brainwashed zombies and MS brainwashed beginners., > O > No, all of them were experienced in Solaris.  Some of them quite experienced.x  L #1 requirement, don't produce any static!  What else do they know how to do?  R > > > Agreed.  My years of managing VMS systems have given me a great appreciationR > > > for the technology.  And it gives me a point of reference when I struggle to
 > > > makeD > > > Windows NT servers perform the simplest task and they blow up. > >rS > > And this is the direction your CIO thinks you should go?  Better have him get aP' > > CAT scan, might have a brain tumor.f > N > No, I didn't say we're going from VMS to NT.  We're moving our core businessI > apps from VMS to Solaris.  I used the NT example to show that I learnedIM > something from working with VMS.  "This is a real operating system.....thisA > one over here is not."   ***STATIC***) (Thank you Andrew for such a great idea!)   R > > One thing I really dislike is an employee who takes his employer's money, paidN > > by the employer in good faith, and then if the choice is doing the job, or8 > > enhancing one's career, the employer gets the shaft. > U > I don't know if that's a shot directed at me but I want to address it.  My employeruQ > doesn't want any of us to stay in technology that's behind the times.  In orderlO > to keep people interested in their jobs, folks want to work with the cool neweH > stuff.  If you don't give them a chance to work with new technologies,Q > they'll jump ship and go work somewhere that will let them play with the stuff._  P No specific shots.  I've seen this before.  Had one customer with IT people veryN concerned with their resume. Wanted to be a 100% Microsoft shop.  Dumped a VMSP solution.  Hurt the company badly.  These people were so biased that they dumpedO applications vital to the business because they were running only on VMS.  WhenfG users complained, they were labeled 'problems' and replaced.  The users O complained because they could no longer do their job.  Spent millions, went wayoK over budget, all for a downward movement, and all because they were worried O about their resumes.  Sure didn't do their employer any good.  Then placing theaF blame on the users, an outright lie, was how they covered their asses.  O > As far as "doing the job", part of my job is to *not* build systems that will-P > be difficult or expensive to support.  I need to be mindful of what the marketM > is favoring and how difficult it would be to find someone to support what I5  > built if I got hit by a truck. > L > > Since you've already made up your mind, and pronounced VMS dead, this isS > > probably a better choice for you.  Doesn't make you right, and doesn't make VMSU	 > > dead.M > T > I didn't decide that VMS is dead.  This is the information that I've gathered fromI > vendors (see Oracle example), other shops (how few VMS ads I see in the $ > paper anymore) and the trade rags. > D > > > When it comes down to it, what will keep my Viper full of gas? > >  > > OPEC >  > Ha ha ha!e > Q > I was thinking more along the line of "which OSes and/or platforms on my resume # > will keep the Viper full of gas?"w > U > Do you think that most people going after their MCSE are doing it because they wantm > toT > learn more about Microsoft products?  No.  They want to be able to put it on their	 > resume.t  @ 50 zillion flys eating shit.  Think I'll choose to be different.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2000 10:06:43 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>-$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/SolarisH Message-ID: <y4d7i62i5o.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  J The mistakes in your reasoning are that the "new" technology is really anyK better than what you have (it isn't new anyway, but never mind), i.e., thatnI it isn't just all hype; that the consumer side of a business relationship J should just be passive and take whatever the producer side provide (do youJ think we would have democracies and labour and consumer protection laws ifI people had always held that opinion and acted on it?); and that the stuffhK being hyped today can actually solve your business problem, let alone solveo it cost-effectively.  K It is disillusioning to see this wide-spread mindset in the IT industry andaN computer "science" - wholly unrational. Companies only seem to survive because6 their competitors commit the same or similar mistakes.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:16:17 GMT & From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris1 Message-ID: <39c1e847.759646113@news.newsguy.com>a  2 On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:57:39 -0400, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:    A >> When it comes down to it, what will keep my Viper full of gas?o >M >OPEC   D Ah nostalgia! I remember when we used to have fuel to fill cars with
 in the UK.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:12:12 GMT & From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris1 Message-ID: <39c1e45b.758641899@news.newsguy.com>   @ On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:01:42 GMT, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote:   >Jordan Henderson wrote: >sJ >> First, it's self-fulfilling.  If everyone felt this way about VMS, then% >> it certainly would have no future.a >eJ >Eveyone does already feel this way.  I'm talking about the Gartner Groups= >of the world who are telling the CIOs and CEOs that VMS diedt7 >a few years ago and that you better migrate yesterday.,  C Compaq are working on the Gartner group but they do seem to have ani agenda of their own.  H >I follow the direction of my CIO.  He believes that our company has hadH >a rich and beneficial relationship with VMS.  It is now time to migrate6 >off that platform in order to keep up with the crowd. >pD >We are seeing fewer and fewer vendors who are willing to keep their >software updated on VMS.   D This was the case a few years ago. It does not appear to be the caseF now. In fact Heroix (the Robomon people) tell me that they have seen a( huge upsurge in demand on VMS recenltly.    E >When you get a moment, call Larry Ellison and ask him why Oracle for H >VMS always comes out after every other port.  That's one of the biggestD >reasons we're giving up on VMS.  We depend heavily on Oracle on VMSL >and it sucks being so far behind the rest of the platforms that Oracle runs >on.  E Why not read the announcements on the Oracle (and Compaq) sites which D say that Oracle on VMS is moving back to priority port status. LooksD like your "biggest reason"  for moving from VMS is based on outdated info.   I >I went to an Oracle DBA class about a year ago and of the 30 students in A >the room, I was the only one who was working with Oracle on VMS.tF >Half the people in the room didn't even know what VMS was.   A few of? >the folks who *did* know what VMS was just said "VMS is dead".i >SO >Also, take a look at the job market.  Are there really any *new* VMS positionso   There are some...n   >aM >opening up?  Not in my neck of the woods.  People are looking for sys adminsA@ >who can keep VMS systems running long enough to let the companyK >migrate to another platform.  If I was looking for a new job today, I'd bes  E That was the situation with my current employer a couple of years agot? but we now have no VMS phaseout planned. and we have three year F advance support contracts signed with key software suppliers. Plans toD migrate to SAP on HP-UX have been postponed indefiinitely and we are< investing in long term development on the Alpha/VMS systems.     >uK >I've got VMS 7.2 running on my Multia at home.  Do I want to spend a bunchoI >of time toying with it and learning even more about OpenVMS?  Sure.  ButeM >does it help me out in the long run with my career?  Not really.  I'm better J >off installing RedHat 6.2 on a spare partition on my home PC and teachingM >myself how to navigate around Unix-type systems.   I've also got Solaris foriE >Intel here at home that I will install when I get bored with RedHat.e > L >At work, we have teams of people who maintain COBOL apps that are currentlyG >running on VMS.  Those people would *love* the chance to get away fromaI >their COBOL duties and turn into "web programmers" and learn things likesN >Java and Visual Basic.  They've seen the handwriting on the wall.  The marketE >wants people who are up-to-speed on web-based technologies.  Ads for 4 >COBOL programmers are pretty hard to find any more.  D You can do all of the web and java  stuff  directly on VMS today and@ VBASIC (or web based VBSCRIPT) is perfectly happy talking to VMS( hosted databases via ODBC, ADO, COM etc.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:31:17 GMT & From: A.Greig@viirgin.net (Alan Greig)$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris1 Message-ID: <39c1ea6f.760198257@news.newsguy.com>e  @ On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 01:25:17 GMT, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote:    S >> Tell Larry he's going to lose significant business, and that you're NOT going toaM >> move to another platform in order to use his products.  Watch Larry changeiQ >> course rather quickly.  The problem here is the VMS people using Oracle.  TheyeQ >> wait around for crumbs instead of letting Larry know that they will be lookingc2 >> for another database, and not another platform. >iN >I think that Larry has probably thought about these things while counting hisQ >billions and billions of dollars.  Somewhere, a beancounter or six, has compiledhQ >a spreadsheet that says "If we stop giving a rats ass about Oracle on VMS, we'llhI >lose less business than it will cost to continue porting Oracle to VMS."s >tK >One of the reasons we are leaning toward Solaris is that Oracle has a gooda
 >relationship R >with Sun.  If we're going to continue to lean heavily on Oracle, then we're going/ >to move to an OS that Uncle Larry approves of.b >eA >We're not going to move to another database just to stay on VMS.   E I strongly suggest you go to http://platforms.oracle.com/compaq whichnC contradicts everything you say above. Note that VMS is specificallyiD mentioned. Yes this is an about turn by Oracle. Why? I guess because/ they've noticed that VMS had turned the corner.v  T >I don't know if that's a shot directed at me but I want to address it.  My employer >wP >doesn't want any of us to stay in technology that's behind the times.  In orderN >to keep people interested in their jobs, folks want to work with the cool new  r( I love our cool new Alphaservers thanks.  G >stuff.  If you don't give them a chance to work with new technologies,tP >they'll jump ship and go work somewhere that will let them play with the stuff.  C Haha we've just had one NT support guy who asked to transfer to VMSrB when a position became available. He's only 26 and did most of his comp sci degree on VMS.a  S >I didn't decide that VMS is dead.  This is the information that I've gathered fromhH >vendors (see Oracle example), other shops (how few VMS ads I see in the# >paper anymore) and the trade rags.   D I repeat:  stop spouting crap about Oracle and go read what they say$ today. Not what they said last year.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:58:41 GMTc* From: westprog 2000 <westprog@my-deja.com>$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris) Message-ID: <8pt2tc$gpk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   , In article <39C0C790.B6A4BFB7@jpmorgan.com>,3   Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> wrote:7 ...mB > Also I'm coming from a Unix background ( mainly Unixware, bit ofB > Solaris, bit of Linux ) and if anyone has any advice it would be/ > greatly appreciated ( no daftness please ! ).:  G Buried in all the replies to this is some useful information, so I willoD just respond to the "Why are you wasting time on a dead OS" and "VMS! isn't dead so there" controversy.   C If I were hiring a programmer for Windex/C/C++ programming, I wouldtC always take somebody with experience in multiple OS's, and multiplelE languages. Ten years experience with Windows or Unix is not as usefulpE as five years of each. Experience with VMS is of enormous value, even G if you never again program on a VMS system. Features from one operatingtE system eventually make their way into the others. Who understands W2Kh@ better, someone with VMS experience or someone who has only used W3.1/95/98?t   -- J/    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:51:04 +0200,= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>h$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris) Message-ID: <39C22948.B8496BC1@gtech.com>a   Scott Vieth wrote: > I've got some advice for you: B > Turn around and go back.  There's no future in learning anything > about developing on VMS. > @ > Invest your time in staying current with Unix and then pick up= > Micro$oft-related knowledge when you can.  It'll definitelyr0 > keep food on your table and gas in your Viper.   ????  @ It is well-known that salaries for administrators/developers are5 low for cheap systems and high for expensive systems.e  < A survey made in Denmark showed 15-30% salaries for high end7 systems (IBM mainframe, highend Unix, Oracle, SAP) over * PC systems (NT, NetWare, Office packages).  5 VMS was not mentioned, but it is obvious that it fitsg into the first category.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:01:16 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>2$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris) Message-ID: <39C22BAC.3FAE60F3@gtech.com>e   Scott Vieth wrote:K > Eveyone does already feel this way.  I'm talking about the Gartner Groupsn> > of the world who are telling the CIOs and CEOs that VMS died8 > a few years ago and that you better migrate yesterday.   Hmmm.   D Our beloved analysts. Remember when all the analysts said the the NC% was taking over the corprrate world ?i  F > When you get a moment, call Larry Ellison and ask him why Oracle forI > VMS always comes out after every other port.  That's one of the biggestvE > reasons we're giving up on VMS.  We depend heavily on Oracle on VMS M > and it sucks being so far behind the rest of the platforms that Oracle runsa > on.d  ? AFAIK then Compaq and Oracle are working to solve that problem.e= There has been many press releases about it and hopefully theh/ releases will start to liv eup to the promises.d  P > Also, take a look at the job market.  Are there really any *new* VMS positions   Yes !r  F It is my impression that VMS are skill are in demand. There may not be that< many positions, but ther are even fewer people to fill them.  M > At work, we have teams of people who maintain COBOL apps that are currently H > running on VMS.  Those people would *love* the chance to get away fromJ > their COBOL duties and turn into "web programmers" and learn things likeO > Java and Visual Basic.  They've seen the handwriting on the wall.  The marketfF > wants people who are up-to-speed on web-based technologies.  Ads for5 > COBOL programmers are pretty hard to find any more.    ????  C AT least in Denmar one of the most difficult ressources to find arem9 IBM mainframe programmers that knows COBOL, DB2 and CICS.   ? Programmers that knows Java-applets, Java-script, HTMl etc. canl> be hired in bundles for nothing, because everyone cam do that.  ; E-commerce backends that interfaces old proprietary systemsl are another issue.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2000 11:02:55 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)e$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris* Message-ID: <8ptdmv$18m$1@lisa.gemair.com>  ) In article <39C12EC9.4051635E@wi.rr.com>,s& Scott Vieth  <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote: >Jordan Henderson wrote: > J >> First, it's self-fulfilling.  If everyone felt this way about VMS, then% >> it certainly would have no future.  > & >Eveyone does already feel this way.    B I don't feel that way.  A lot of other people don't feel that way,E obviously, or JP Morgan wouldn't be taking new business in developing # software in an OpenVMS environment.o  J >                                     I'm talking about the Gartner Groups= >of the world who are telling the CIOs and CEOs that VMS died 7 >a few years ago and that you better migrate yesterday.n >vH >I follow the direction of my CIO.  He believes that our company has hadH >a rich and beneficial relationship with VMS.  It is now time to migrate6 >off that platform in order to keep up with the crowd. > D >We are seeing fewer and fewer vendors who are willing to keep their >software updated on VMS.n >i  C You raise valid concerns and there are ways to raise these concernssA in a constructive manner.  Telling peole to run away from OpenVMS A as quickly as possible and to never look back just makes you partsC of the herd that listens to those beknighted Analysts that are morei often wrong than right.   B Don't be part of a herd mentality.  Do something different.  BuildA reliable, scaleable, highly performing systems with OpenVMS whileeC the rest of the world is depending on those other technologies thatdB may not live up to their promises.  Eventually, the tide will turn@ if people keep racking up success stories with OpenVMS and keep 4 turning out nightmares with some of the competition.  E >When you get a moment, call Larry Ellison and ask him why Oracle foroH >VMS always comes out after every other port.  That's one of the biggestD >reasons we're giving up on VMS.  We depend heavily on Oracle on VMSL >and it sucks being so far behind the rest of the platforms that Oracle runs >on.I >I went to an Oracle DBA class about a year ago and of the 30 students in A >the room, I was the only one who was working with Oracle on VMS.oF >Half the people in the room didn't even know what VMS was.   A few of? >the folks who *did* know what VMS was just said "VMS is dead".t >s  D So, you've discovered that common wisdom is an oxymoron.  VMS is not dead.   O >Also, take a look at the job market.  Are there really any *new* VMS positionse >oM >opening up?  Not in my neck of the woods.  People are looking for sys adminsl@ >who can keep VMS systems running long enough to let the companyK >migrate to another platform.  If I was looking for a new job today, I'd beu >crazyD >to say that I wanted to be a "VMS System Manager" 100% of the time. >e  A Well, obviously someone at JP Morgan wants to do new development.e  F I don't deny that it's a problem matching up VMS talents to positions.B Ironically, one of the biggest problems VMS shops have is staffingB good people.  If we leave the pool, we make the problems that much worse.  E You know, I don't really advise you to keep with VMS personally.  YousC seem to enjoy your job and your relationship with your employer whorB has decided to get off of OpenVMS.  Fine.  Just don't go spreading4 panic here that all employers are the same as yours.   >3A >> Second, I don't think it's true that you can't learn anything. B >> Even if (and I don't give you this at all) there's no future toD >> VMS, I think that the exposure to the well engineered VMS systems> >> can only help you in every aspect of a professional career. >tM >Agreed.  My years of managing VMS systems have given me a great appreciationgM >for the technology.  And it gives me a point of reference when I struggle tot >make ? >Windows NT servers perform the simplest task and they blow up.a >r  @ Do you ever think to send an email to your CIO pointing out the : problems and questioning the direction you're taking here?  D >> Last, I see that Mr. Taylor posts from jpmorgan.com.  It's prettyB >> clear to me that he's endeavoring into the VMS world as part ofD >> a work assignment.  I don't know about you, but I've always hatedF >> working with Prima Donna's who refuse to work on a given assignmentD >> or technology solely for career strategic reasons.  A team playerB >> picks up an unwanted assignment and makes it into an example of5 >> what can be done when you have the right attitude.t >.K >I didn't look at the "from" address of the original sender.  While I agreecK >that it is honorable to take on tasks that appear to be un-popular, you'vebK >got to be realistic when it comes to your career.  If you've got a limitedsB >amount of time to be spent learning about technology, you need to >spend that time carefully.n >yK >I've got VMS 7.2 running on my Multia at home.  Do I want to spend a bunch-I >of time toying with it and learning even more about OpenVMS?  Sure.  But M >does it help me out in the long run with my career?  Not really.  I'm betteroJ >off installing RedHat 6.2 on a spare partition on my home PC and teachingM >myself how to navigate around Unix-type systems.   I've also got Solaris for E >Intel here at home that I will install when I get bored with RedHat.l >sL >At work, we have teams of people who maintain COBOL apps that are currentlyG >running on VMS.  Those people would *love* the chance to get away fromtI >their COBOL duties and turn into "web programmers" and learn things likenN >Java and Visual Basic.  They've seen the handwriting on the wall.  The marketE >wants people who are up-to-speed on web-based technologies.  Ads for04 >COBOL programmers are pretty hard to find any more. > K >There wil always be a market for good VMS sys admins and good programmers.wL >But that market is going to only get smaller as time goes on.  I'm not real >interestedJF >in investing my time in learning more about technology that shops are >abandoning. >o? >When it comes down to it, what will keep my Viper full of gas?e >e  @ Sure. Just don't assume there's only one way to go about keeping= your car on the road.  Others have different paths.  Cherish f diversity and all that.   E And, maybe, just maybe, buck the herd mentality, once in a while, OK?   ? Heck, you might find you enjoy driving a Civic and working in ae< job with less stress rather than driving a Viper and working with systems you can't keep up!h   >-Scott  :^) >m   -Jordan Hendersona jordan@greenapple.comk   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2000 16:14:02 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris, Message-ID: <8pthsb$cgv@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  Z In article <39C1C26C.76EC2C62@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  6 >My point is, VMS is NOT dead, and is NOT going away.   G That depends entirely upon which market you're discussing.  VMS for alltD intents and purposes is dead in academia as well as most science andH engineering related markets (and Kerry - citing the rare exceptions does. not invalidate the rule).  It's dead because:      no new systems are going in,N   software for such markets is essentially unavailable from commercial vendorsT   academic (free) software is increasingly Unix centric and more difficult to port  K   academic (free) software is increasing distributed as binaries - and the  .      people doing that never have VMS systems.J   VMS performance on these sorts of applications is typically inferior, by)      huge factors, to that of other OS's.o  H As far as I can see the only VMS growth that's evident is in data centerG environments, where the calculations involve dollars and cents, not DNA I bases or electron densities.  Which is why the newbies are coming out of i places like Morgan Stanley.k  I >Stomping on any 'self fulfilling prophesies' may help keep the directionl
 >positive.  " That's not our job, it's Compaq's.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduo? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech w   ------------------------------   Date: 15 SEP 2000 14:34:45 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris6 Message-ID: <15SEP00.14344560@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  < In a previous article, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote:  ?     ... In order to keep people interested in their jobs, folkse<     want to work with the cool new stuff.  If you don't give=     them a chance to work with new technologies, they'll jumps?     ship and go work somewhere that will let them play with theg
     stuff.  0 And this attitude is what keeps the RISKS digestC (http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/) filled with their many blunders. b   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 03:42:37 -0400L- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s2 Subject: Upcoming second IBM failure at olympics ?, Message-ID: <39C1D2E5.94E10A9C@videotron.ca>  L With IBM having survived its Atlanta disaster relatively unscathed, and withJ IBM having signed up Sydney before the Atlanta debacle, they are, in a few8 minutes, set to show the world what they are capable of.  N Checking the schedule for road racing, it seems that there will not be a men's? road race in these olympics, according to the IBM official sitek (www.olympics.com).   K IBM has had 4 years to get ready. Yet, their site is not ready yet, missing-G sports schedules. And its front page is heavily laden in fancy HTML andA# images, bound to break and be slow.S  L I am really hoping that Compaq will not let IBM get away with this one if it# is going to be a repeat of Atlanta.t    L Providing fast access to schedules is a MUST for such a site, yet, this site has already failed.i> Schedules were set last year (with some changes, undoubtedly).   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:29:51 GMTe- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>dB Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)( Message-ID: <39C2163D.DDDDA493@ohio.edu>  Q The distinction is between a ballistic missle and a cruise missle.  The latter isnS powered for most or all of its flight, but the former is powered only for the earlym2 part of its flight, and is ballistic for the rest.  #                                 RDP      John Santos wrote:  / > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, David J. Dachtera wrote:  >  > > Tim Shoppa wrote:a > > >i > > > Terry Kennedy wrote: > > > >aN > > > > In alt.folklore.computers Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:S > > > >   If you take the cost out of their salary, you'll have several generations'J > > > > of clueless-but-well-intentioned people working there for free 8-) > > > >yG > > > > > The sudden pressure from the halon dump sent numerous ceilinggP > > > > > tiles flying, as well as large stacks of paper that were blown off the > > > > > consoles.g > > > >uF > > > >   No under-floor heads, eh? You can launch floor tiles, too... > > > C > > > There were under-floor heads, but (AFAIK) no floor tiles wente > > > ballistic. > >sH > > Question: Does ANYone out there have a dictionary (English language)L > > wherein the definition of the word "ballistic" does not CONTAIN the word > > "ballistic"? >aG > bal-lis-tic adj [L ballista] (ca. 1775): of or relating to ballisticso< > or to a body in motion according to the laws of ballistics >e/ > Whoops, but "ballistic" .nes. "ballistics"...  >sH > bal-lis-tics n pl but sing or pl in constr (ca. 1753) 1 a: the scienceG > of the motion of projectiles in flight  b: the flight characteristics F > of a projectile  2 a: the study of the processes within a firearm asF > it is fired  b: the firing characteristics of a firearm or cartridge >eA > pro-ject-ile n (1665) 1: a body projected by external force andc? > continuing in motion by its own inertia; esp: a missile for as > weapon (as a firearm)l >G/ > -- Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary.r+ >    copyright 1989 by Merriam-Webster Inc.2 >    Springfield MA. >    ISBN 0-87778-508-8  >mC > Hmmm...  To the extent that ballistic missiles alter their courseeD > using rockets etc, they aren't really ballistic, since they aren't > projectiles. >  > --
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1094 Dec 15&nbsp; 1999 == print.table</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-rw-r--r--&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 =T xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =D prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 746 Jan&nbsp; = 1&nbsp; 2000 foo.txt</FONT>t- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-rw-r--r--&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 =hG xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = ( 16152 Jan 18&nbsp; 2000 diffs.txt</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-rw-r--r--&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 =  xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =G prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3985 Jan 18&nbsp; 2000 =C log.txt</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-rw-r--r--&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 =4G xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =t& 15279 Mar 11&nbsp; 2000 dst_agg</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>drwxrwxrwx&nbsp;&nbsp; 2 =  xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =B prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8192 Mar 31 15:27 = hogeom/</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-rw-r--r--&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 =.G xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 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541 May&nbsp; 9 = 12:32 test2.ker</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-rw-r--r--&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 =b xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =F prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 552 May&nbsp; 9 = 13:12 test.ker</FONT>b- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>drwxr-xr-x&nbsp;&nbsp; 2 =b xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =G prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8192 May&nbsp; 9 13:13 =n tmp/</FONT>O- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-rwxr-xr-x&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 =& xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =B prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2047 Jun 21 11:09 = vmsjob*</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-rwxr-xr-x&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 =& xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =B prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1984 Jul 11 13:15 = receive_files7*</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>-rwxr-xr-x&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 =X xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =B prod&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1984 Jul 12 11:03 =
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19373&nbsp; =F 1.4&nbsp; 3.4 59.5M&nbsp; 35M ??&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =G S&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 08:14:10&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0:00.04 perl5 -- =n: -*- perl -*- /usr/users/production/bin/db_avail</FONT></P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>xfer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 28659&nbsp; 0.0 == 11.3&nbsp; 147M 116M ??&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =pG I&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 13:24:12&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3:05.53 perl5 -- = B -*- perl -*- /usr/users/production/bin/tag_receive_loop</FONT></P>  B <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>dec024.beehive.com!xfer % *** 08:20 From xfer: =E update_status: EXTRACT_BTICAPGAINSTXNSTS_SPAUDB2 DONE 20000914</FONT>n8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>*** 08:20 From xfer: update_status: =6 BTI_WEB_SEND_BTICAPGAINSTXNSTS_SPAUDB2 STARTED </FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>*** 08:20 From xfer: update_status: => BTI_WEB_SEND_BTICAPGAINSTXNSTS_SPAUDB2 STARTED 20000914</FONT> </P>  5 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>dec024.beehive.com!xfer % \\</FONT>-/ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>\: Command not found.</FONT>;4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dec024.beehive.com!xfer % </FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>dec024.beehive.com!xfer % nisql -Ssp*** 08:20 From =&E xfer: update_status: EXTRACT_BTICAPMVMTTXNSTS_SPAUDB2 STARTED </FONT>b? <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>reports*** 08:20 From xfer: update_status: =c8 EXTRACT_BTICAPMVMTTXNSTS_SPAUDB2 STARTED 20000914</FONT>$ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;-Usa</FONT># <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Password:</FONT>00 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>1&gt;&gt; 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SIZE=3D2>&gt; On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, David J. 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 wrote:</FONT>/ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>x <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>nI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; bal-lis-tics n pl but sing or pl in constr (ca. =2 1753) 1 a: the science</FONT>NI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; of the motion of projectiles in flight&nbsp; b: =n! the flight characteristics</FONT>;E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; of a projectile&nbsp; 2 a: the study of the =I$ processes within a firearm as</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; it is fired&nbsp; b: the firing characteristics =;  of a firearm or cartridge</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>xF <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; pro-ject-ile n (1665) 1: a body projected by = external force and</FONT>;I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; continuing in motion by its own inertia; esp: a =r missile for a</FONT>4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; weapon (as a firearm)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>e; <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -- Webster's Ninth New Collegiate =& Dictionary.</FONT>= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; copyright 1989 by =; Merriam-Webster Inc.</FONT> ? <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Springfield MA</FONT>bC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ISBN 0-87778-508-8</FONT>; <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT> D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Hmmm...&nbsp; To the extent that ballistic =" missiles alter their course</FONT>? <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; using rockets etc, they aren't really =/# ballistic, since they aren't</FONT>-+ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; projectiles.</FONT>s <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; </FONT>;" <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; -- </FONT>* <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; John Santos</FONT>? <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Evans Griffiths &amp; Hart, Inc.</FONT>;3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; 781-861-0670 ext 539</FONT>  </P> <BR> <BR>  9 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>pro=B7jec=B7tile (pr-jktl, -tl) </FONT>b <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>n. </FONT>n </P>  E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1 A fired, thrown, or otherwise propelled object, =FA such as a bullet, having no capacity for self-propulsion. </FONT>sB <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2 A self-propelled missile, such as a rocket. = </FONT>v </P>   </BODY>B </HTML>I  ( --Boundary_(ID_WKfsTMn7442ldcGzZ1ITZQ)--   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Sep 2000 08:05 CSTp' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)2B Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)- Message-ID: <15SEP200008054552@gerg.tamu.edu>d  ; "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes...p }Tim Shoppa wrote: }> Terry Kennedy wrote:1 }> >K }> > In alt.folklore.computers Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:sP }> >   If you take the cost out of their salary, you'll have several generationsG }> > of clueless-but-well-intentioned people working there for free 8-)O }> >D }> > > The sudden pressure from the halon dump sent numerous ceilingM }> > > tiles flying, as well as large stacks of paper that were blown off the& }> > > consoles. }> >C }> >   No under-floor heads, eh? You can launch floor tiles, too...d }> i@ }> There were under-floor heads, but (AFAIK) no floor tiles went
 }> ballistic.b } E }Question: Does ANYone out there have a dictionary (English language);I }wherein the definition of the word "ballistic" does not CONTAIN the word2
 }"ballistic"?/ }--  }David J. Dachtera   www.m-w.com?  F OK - it contains "ballistics", twice even, but that is not the same asG "ballistic". When you look up "ballistics", that doesn't have either ofp them in the definition.s   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:22:51 -0400c# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>=B Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)* Message-ID: <39C222AB.78C28BC@hsc.vcu.edu>  @ hhmm.. hope noone goes too much more ballistic about this... ;-)   jimb   > "Bochnik, William J" wrote:s > + > Digital UNIX (dec024.beehive.com) (ttyp7)r >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:52:14 -0400s  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comB Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)4 Message-ID: <C225695B.004B9042.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  > --0__=zIZWr8vIiIvGDTrfmtmOOhzVHMulqxXAgWooD07PRNcD2ja8BEoOwNMK, Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline0+ Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printablep        
 Will this do?   - <URL:  http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary>sH                                                                        =         =20/H                                                                        =         =20:H  Main Entry: bal=B7lis=B7tic                                           =             =20 H  Pronunciation: b&-'lis-tik                                            =         =20NH  Function: adjective                                                   =         =202H  Etymology: Latin ballista                                             =         =20-H  Date: circa 1775                                                      =         =20oH  1 : of or relating to ballistics or to a body                         =         =20 H        in motion according to the laws of ballistics                   =         =20IH  2 : suddenly and extremely upset or angry                             =         =20SH    : WILD -- usually used with go                                      =         =20rH  - bal=B7lis=B7ti=B7cal=B7ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb                      =                 =20FH                                                                        =         =20 H  Main Entry: bal=B7lis=B7tics                                          =             =20_H  Pronunciation: b&-'lis-tiks                                           =         =20BH  Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction          =         =20sH  Date: circa 1753                                                      =         =20sH  1 a : the science of the motion of projectiles in flight              =         =20sH    b : the flight characteristics of a projectile                      =         =20sH  2 a : the study of the processes within a firearm as it is fired      =         =20-H  b : the firing characteristics of a firearm or cartridge              =         =20nH                                                                        =         =20nH                                                                        =         =20n   -Norm;        5 djesys.nospam@earthlink.net on 09/14/2000 11:08:40 PM;   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc:F? Subject:  WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)n     =s  > --0__=zIZWr8vIiIvGDTrfmtmOOhzVHMulqxXAgWooD07PRNcD2ja8BEoOwNMK* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inlines     Tim Shoppa wrote:; >s > Terry Kennedy wrote: > >sJ > > In alt.folklore.computers Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:O > >   If you take the cost out of their salary, you'll have several generationssF > > of clueless-but-well-intentioned people working there for free 8-) > > C > > > The sudden pressure from the halon dump sent numerous ceilingnL > > > tiles flying, as well as large stacks of paper that were blown off the > > > consoles.E > >HB > >   No under-floor heads, eh? You can launch floor tiles, too... >&? > There were under-floor heads, but (AFAIK) no floor tiles went& > ballistic.  D Question: Does ANYone out there have a dictionary (English language)H wherein the definition of the word "ballistic" does not CONTAIN the word "ballistic"?   -- David J. DachteraI dba DJE Systemsp http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n        @ --0__=zIZWr8vIiIvGDTrfmtmOOhzVHMulqxXAgWooD07PRNcD2ja8BEoOwNMK--   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:12:37 -0400;4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>B Subject: RE: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)J Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8505668395@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01F1F.04830DDEb Content-Type: text/plain;& 	charset="iso-8859-1"&  F Sorry about that - cut and paste problem.  I hope I did not offend :-) -----Original Message-----* From: Jim Agnew [mailto:agnew@hsc.vcu.edu]  Sent: September 15, 2000 9:23 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com;B Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)    @ hhmm.. hope noone goes too much more ballistic about this... ;-)   jim;  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01F1F.04830DDEM Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"n  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">s <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2651.65">H <TITLE>RE: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)</TITLE> </HEAD>p <BODY>  b <P><FONT SIZE=2>Sorry about that - cut and paste problem.&nbsp; I hope I did not offend :-)</FONT>2 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>i <BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Jim Agnew [<A HREF="mailto:agnew@hsc.vcu.edu">mailto:agnew@hsc.vcu.edu</A>]</FONT>N8 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: September 15, 2000 9:23 AM</FONT>1 <BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>&Z <BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)</FONT> </P> <BR>  W <P><FONT SIZE=2>hhmm.. hope noone goes too much more ballistic about this... ;-)</FONT>> </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=2>jim</FONT> </P>   </BODY>s </HTML>n) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C01F1F.04830DDE--;   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:52:31 -0400;# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>nB Subject: RE: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD809@berry.mvpsi.com>  < Try http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=ballistic   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net]- > Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 11:09 PMs > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com;@ > Subject: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) >  >  > Tim Shoppa wrote:= > >  > > Terry Kennedy wrote: > > >N+ > > > In alt.folklore.computers Tim Shoppa a# > <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:A> > > >   If you take the cost out of their salary, you'll have  > several generations H > > > of clueless-but-well-intentioned people working there for free 8-) > > >pE > > > > The sudden pressure from the halon dump sent numerous ceilingN< > > > > tiles flying, as well as large stacks of paper that  > were blown off the > > > > consoles.  > > >2D > > >   No under-floor heads, eh? You can launch floor tiles, too... > > A > > There were under-floor heads, but (AFAIK) no floor tiles wentd > > ballistic. > F > Question: Does ANYone out there have a dictionary (English language): > wherein the definition of the word "ballistic" does not  > CONTAIN the word > "ballistic"? >  > -- K > David J. DachteraT > dba DJE Systems3 > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/: > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.T >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:20:03 GMT:4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>B Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)< Message-ID: <T_rw5.76779$NH2.602670@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  0 "Jim Agnew" <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote in message$ news:39C222AB.78C28BC@hsc.vcu.edu...B > hhmm.. hope noone goes too much more ballistic about this... ;-) >u  ) Wouldn't want folks to go postal, either!0   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Sep 2000 14:31:02 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)B Subject: RE: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)+ Message-ID: <TrnRnQ4yx$8h@eisner.decus.org>M  J In article <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8505668395@nts0147.beehive.com>,7  "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com> writes:RL > This message is in MIME format. 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