1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 519       Contents:& Adding hard drives to dec alpha server Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Help with Alpha Server 3000/800  Re: LAVC and security ; Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?   SCSI Controller Exerciser/tester7 TCP/IP based program hung apparently when run detached.  TCPIP V5.0 complaints  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris 2 Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharing2 Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharing) Was: Big AlphaServer Sale. Now: Anti spam   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:01:07 GMT # From: "Lon Hanson" <biglon@tds.net> / Subject: Adding hard drives to dec alpha server 2 Message-ID: <nHNw5.345$4j7.206955@ratbert.tds.net>  D Can anyone tell me the steps to get two new hard drives added to our@ dec alpha server. It is running vms what version I cant be sure?K The drives are from another dec server so I want to erase them after adding H them to the current server. I also need to know about making them stripeD partiond or adding them to an existing stripe. Any help will be much appreciated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:51:43 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo 2 Message-ID: <8pv8qp$bt4$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>  F Maybe it is time to begin a new thread "If Apple was making balls ..."   Cordialement   Jean-Franois Marchal  X9000 - Lyon (FR)     7 "David A Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message ' news:39C29095.6916B683@tsoft-inc.com...  > Sue Skonetski wrote: > > E > > Its a woman named Sue or if you are exchange user susan.skonetski  > >  > > Testing the ball > > K > > Since I have never seen VMS bounce I wanted to see what it looked like!  > > J > > There are 2 LEDS a battery a coper wire and a transister on the inside and A > > probably a few other bits as well, but I could not find them.  > > K > > We were going to milspec it but it was going to cost us to much for the 
 > > laser. > >  > > Sue  > @ > Forget Milspec.  What I want to know is if it is STATIC proof? > I > If this were a Sun promo, you could only bounce it in a narrow range of L > temperatures and humidity.  Coming close to a cat would surely destroy it.	 > STATIC!  >  > Dave >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:52:44 -0700 ! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>  Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo + Message-ID: <39C326CC.1156161F@tmisnet.com>    Sue,  K Kudos for the ball.  Everyone who saw it at my work wanted one.  Now if you O could send some of these balls to the marketing people at Compaq who don't have 9 the balls to actively market OpenVMS in TV and print ads.   P Someone mentioned that you are only sending the balls to people who already knowM how good OpenVMS is.  Compaq needs to advertise to all the other people.  The O people who know nothing of OpenVMS and how good it is. The people who go around " clueless and of course sans balls.  J I can hear the new marketing slogan already.  "You don't need balls to buy OpenVMS,  just brains!"    Cass Witkowski   Sue Skonetski wrote:   > We are VMS and we have balls!  > G > Here are some answers to some of the questions raised in this string.  > N > Yes there are batteries in the balls and if you drop the ball in a stairwellF > that is 4 floors high, replacing the battery is no longer a problem.> > Neither is bouncing the ball to much.  This has been tested. > I > If you received a ball that does not light, sell it to a big company in D > Redmond for a million dollars they are used to that kind of thing. > N > If you are outside of the US you will be receiving a package if your name is) > in the database.  It just takes longer.  > L > Also if people have done the automatic subscription to OpenVMS and checked6 > the yes please put me in the database you are added.. > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/ >  > Best Regards,  >  > Sue  > J > All opinions stated are my own and should be viewed as personal opinion.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:14:26 GMT % From: hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net>  Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo 0 Message-ID: <39C37268.FF9E2BB0@bellatlantic.net>  
 Koloth wrote:  >  > Sue, > M > Kudos for the ball.  Everyone who saw it at my work wanted one.  Now if you Q > could send some of these balls to the marketing people at Compaq who don't have ; > the balls to actively market OpenVMS in TV and print ads.  > R > Someone mentioned that you are only sending the balls to people who already knowO > how good OpenVMS is.  Compaq needs to advertise to all the other people.  The Q > people who know nothing of OpenVMS and how good it is. The people who go around $ > clueless and of course sans balls. > L > I can hear the new marketing slogan already.  "You don't need balls to buy > OpenVMS,  just brains!"    Kudos for Koloth!  Well said!! , I especially like the new marketing slogan!!  6 > "You don't need balls to buy OpenVMS,  just brains!"   >  > Cass Witkowski >  > Sue Skonetski wrote: > ! > > We are VMS and we have balls!  > > I > > Here are some answers to some of the questions raised in this string.  > > P > > Yes there are batteries in the balls and if you drop the ball in a stairwellH > > that is 4 floors high, replacing the battery is no longer a problem.@ > > Neither is bouncing the ball to much.  This has been tested. > > K > > If you received a ball that does not light, sell it to a big company in F > > Redmond for a million dollars they are used to that kind of thing. > > P > > If you are outside of the US you will be receiving a package if your name is+ > > in the database.  It just takes longer.  > > N > > Also if people have done the automatic subscription to OpenVMS and checked8 > > the yes please put me in the database you are added.0 > > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/ > >  > > Best Regards,  > >  > > Sue  > > L > > All opinions stated are my own and should be viewed as personal opinion.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:04:04 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo + Message-ID: <VA.000000d1.2c812b62@sture.ch>   K In article <8pu1q6$e22$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Sue Skonetski wrote: 7 > From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo ' > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:47:05 -0400  > C > Its a woman named Sue or if you are exchange user susan.skonetski  >  > Testing the ball > I > Since I have never seen VMS bounce I wanted to see what it looked like!   I Nah, VMS doesn't normally bounce - it's stays up, mostly for months, and   sometimes for years. :)    > L > There are 2 LEDS a battery a coper wire and a transister on the inside and? > probably a few other bits as well, but I could not find them.  > I > We were going to milspec it but it was going to cost us to much for the  > laser. >  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:04:04 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo + Message-ID: <VA.000000d0.2c81294f@sture.ch>   K In article <8ptmla$bqc$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Sue Skonetski wrote: 7 > From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms  > Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo ' > Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:36:46 -0400  >  > We are VMS and we have balls!  > G > Here are some answers to some of the questions raised in this string.  > N > Yes there are batteries in the balls and if you drop the ball in a stairwellF > that is 4 floors high, replacing the battery is no longer a problem.> > Neither is bouncing the ball to much.  This has been tested. > I > If you received a ball that does not light, sell it to a big company in D > Redmond for a million dollars they are used to that kind of thing. > N > If you are outside of the US you will be receiving a package if your name is) > in the database.  It just takes longer.  > L > Also if people have done the automatic subscription to OpenVMS and checked6 > the yes please put me in the database you are added.. > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/ > F Do I get my toy if I've only just today added myself to the automatic  subscription?    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 00:14:52 -0700 ! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> & Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point+ Message-ID: <39C31DEC.5C103B2F@tmisnet.com>   Q You test large models of object you want to measure their reflectivity from radar  beams.   Colin Campbell wrote:   F > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 21:22:07 -0700, Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> gave > forth: > < > >It wasn't a computer room but a large indoor radar range. > <snip>! > clarifying his earlier posting:  > >> Koloth wrote: > >>T > >> > I worked at to remain unnamed company with a large enclosure that needed fireS > >> > protection.  The space was 180' by 130' by 90'.  Needless to say it needed a S > >> > large amount of Halon.  I think the tanks outside were about the size of two  > >> > railroad tanker cars. > <snip>G > Now I gotta ask: WTF do you do with a radar range that small? Testing H > speed traps comes to mind, but even then, how would you get any decent > speed to test?G > Or, was the PPOE the Amana Corporation with grandiose ideas, perhaps?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2000 08:11:25 +0100* From: john@polo.demon.co.uk (John Winters)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point+ Message-ID: <8pv6et$ktl$1@polo.demon.co.uk>   O In article <8pt8ge$cqo$4@ausnews.austin.ibm.com>,  <wa4qal@vnet.ibm.com> wrote:  [snip]E >Do most installations have the operators and consoles in the machine @ >room?  In our installation, the operators have their own littleA >room, which is environmentally conditioned to be comfortable for : >humans, while the machines have their own space, which isB >environmentally conditioned for machines.  And, the the two don't? >typically enter each other's domains (e.g., no machines in the 7 >operator area, no operators in the machine area).  :*)  > A >Of course, this configuration isn't without drawbacks.  We had a A >disk drive start producing errors once.  No one could understand D >what was going wrong until one of the operations people stuck theirB >head into the machine room and noticed the flames coming from the >top of the drive.  Whoops!   G I've had that happen to me in Vienna.  The operator room had a repeater C for the main console (roll of paper type of console) and I was just @ about to leave for the airport after a heavy week.  Suddenly theB repeater consoler began to chatter out error messages and my heart@ sank.  Anything non-trivial and my chances of catching the plane
 were gone.  D We went through to the machine room so I could run some tests on theD real console and I was delighted to find one of the hard disc drives5 spewing out smoke.  Hah!  Hardware problem.  Bye all.    John --  * John Winters.  Wallingford, Oxon, England.  7 The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux CDs in the UK # See http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:04:03 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point+ Message-ID: <VA.000000cf.2c812778@sture.ch>   O In article <1F5w5.22874$pu4.1991860@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, Terry C. Shannon   wrote:6 > From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>0 > Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.vms( > Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point% > Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:54:53 GMT  >  > L > > Your story leaves me with only one question: what does 2500 lbs of Halon > cost?  > >  > J > Good question. Back in the mid seventies when I designed fire protectionN > systems, Halon was about five bucks a pound. In the post-UN treaty era, it'sN > one hell of lot more expensive than that. I'd be interested in learning whatE > the current price is; IIRC it's well over $25 per pound these days.  > M I don't know how many countries have the same type of law, but nowadays it's  J illegal to buy Halon here in Switzerland. Existing systems can be used to J provide protection, but once they've dumped, you aren't allowed to refill  them.   L I heard about one that dumped here a few months ago, with the result that a K new fire protection system was needed, and I don't imagine they come cheap.  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:43:18 -0700 * From: "Howard M. Harte" <hharte@cisco.com>( Subject: Help with Alpha Server 3000/800- Message-ID: <969115603.142902@sj-nntpcache-3>    Hi,   I     I recently acquired an Alpha Server 3000/800.  It is the tower model, K with 16 of the 32 SIMMs in place.  When I power it up attempting to use the F alternate console, I get error code 0xEF on the front panel and no >>>J prompt on the console.  I know the terminal works (and the serial cable) IG tested it on a DECstation as the alternate console.  The machine starts J counting down from 0xFB, and stops at 0xEF.  I unplugged all of the SIMMs,G cleaned the contacts, and put them back in.  Still the same problem.  I L tried putting the RZ26L hard drive in another machine, and it seems to work,G as does the CD-ROM.  I don't have a SCSI terminator in the eternal SCSI F port, and I didn't plug in the network cable.  I tried changing the S3L switch both ways, and I'm using the MMJ port, not the DB-25 port on the back of the machine.   K     Does anyone know where I can get more information on these codes, or on J the machine in general?  I found the User's Manual for the 3000/600/700 onK Compaq's Web site.  They allude to a "Technical Manual" for these machines,  but I can't find it on the web.   I     One more note, the SIMMs are plugged into the four sockets closest to  the motherboard like this    Empty   Empty   Empty  Empty Empty   Empty   Empty  Empty SIMM  SIMM   SIMM  SIMM  SIMM  SIMM   SIMM  SIMM   =     That goes for all four boards.  I assume this is correct.   #     Thanks in advance for any help, 
     Howard   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:45:59 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: LAVC and security+ Message-ID: <VA.000000cb.2af01653@sture.ch>   J In article <8plcfj$n7v$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:4 > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms   > Subject: Re: LAVC and security  > Date: 12 Sep 2000 13:52:51 GMT >  > X > In article <8pknev$rc5$1@info.service.rug.nl>, "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl> writes: > F >   To avoid the potential for confusion, please realize that the two K >   (different) protocols involved here are the Maintenance and Operations  J >   Protocol (MOP) and System Communications Services (SCS).  MOP is used J >   solely for the cluster satellite download (in the context of downline E >   loading a cluster satellite), while SCS is the basis for for all  ! >   intra-cluster communications.  > I >   MOP support is available as part of DECnet Phase IV, of DECnet-Plus,  6 >   and of the OpenVMS LANCP utility (V6.2 and later). > B > :I have a question concerning the security of the LAVC protocol.? > :I understand that a node can join a cluster only if it knows # > :the cluster number and password.  >  >   Correct. > @ > :Are the cluster number and password also needed for access to > :LAVC served disks?  > H >   Yes.  The group number determines the cluster SCS multicast address. > F > :I know that they are contained in SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT,B > :but a booting node first needs access to the LAVC served system  > :disk before it can read this. > F >   This information is provided via MOP, and is not accessed via SCS. > > > :I suppose that cluster number and password are required forB > :accessing LAVC serverd disks, otherwise anyone clever enough toE > :implement the LAVC protocol on his PC could destroy the disks of au > :cluster on the same network.h > B >   Assuming an unencrypted LAN, correct.  That said, anyone with B >   unrestricted access to a network cable segment can potentiallyC >   cause considerable mayhem -- and rather more easily than using c0 >   this particular SCS- and MOP-based approach. > = > :If so, at which moment are the cluster number and passworda< > :communicated to a cluster satellite booting from the net? > E >   The MOP Load Assist Agent (LAA) obtains the system root, the SCS -L >   nodename, and the LAA image -- all as part of the secondary bootstrap.  H >   With a satellite download, VMB or APB and the LAA image all work to 4 >   load the SYSBOOT image, the secondary bootstrap. > 2 > :Is it included in the reply to the MOP request? > 6 >   This information is part of the MOP sequence, yes. >  > :Is it encrypted in some way?  > E >   No.  (It would then have to be decrypted before use.  Hence, why hE >   bother with the obfuscation for no added security?  A new scheme  F >   based on Kerberos or other similar authentication would be a nice  >   extension, of course.) > B >   Details are in the IDSM and in the VAXcluster Principles book. > B >   Moral: don't let the untrusted and the unwashed onto your LAN. > I Indeed. I heard of a case recently where an unknown system was attemptingiH to join a cluster it wasn't supposed to. The cluster password stopped itV from completing the attempt, but it was still causing a performance hit on the target  cluster.  Y Another moral of the story is that cluster group numbers should not be chosen at random, oX but allocated by someone keeping a central record of them, with the same care you would ! allocate DECnet and IP addresses.   U On the same topic, whilst various network folks I've come across seem pretty good at rX blocking TCP/IP and DECnet traffic from places it shouldn't get to, they tend to forget 
 about SCS. ___m
 Paul Sture Switzerlandn   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 07:45:58 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>D Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?+ Message-ID: <VA.000000ca.2af011de@sture.ch>r  M In article <y43dj7yyzz.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan s Vorbrueggen wrote:I > From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>4 > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmseF > Subject: Re: Replace licenses for VAXcluster for Education/Research?" > Date: 11 Sep 2000 13:00:32 +0200 > 2 > "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com> writes: >  > > >> Goto www.compaq.com@ > > >> Click on the Jobs link in the top right hand of the page.G > > >> Enter your search criteria (eg category engineering keyword VMS)nC > > >I always get no search results ("We're sorry..."). What gives?rJ > > I think IE 4.x has problems.  IE 5.x seems to work okay.  I don't have > > Netscape at home.n >  > I'm using Netscape.v > P > I get the impression they note my address can't be from the US, and decide not/ > to return any results. Thanks, but no thanks.O > N I didn't have that problem from work, but of course that's a .com. Just tried Q again from home and got there (Netscape 4.6 on NT), selected the non-flash site,  H didn't use the drop down boxes, but typed "openvms" into the search box.   Only saw US jobs...   O On that topic, I received a wonderful piece of spam today, inviting me to join a1 some "International Directory" of professionals. s  M "Only available to applicants in the US and Canada", with the country in the e1 address form already entered as US/Canada. ???!!!h   Duh!   ___h
 Paul Sture Switzerlandy   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 13:32:31 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>) Subject: SCSI Controller Exerciser/tester 7 Message-ID: <200009161332_MC2-B399-F688@compuserve.com>o  F         What do you expect "exercising this device"  would do for you?  J         I think it would be more useful to use DECevent / DIAGNOSE to loo= kpG at the error log and see what's happening.  If there are no SCSI device J errors, you probably need to replace the controller or, possibly, the cab= leJ connecting it to your SCSI devices.  It's barely possible that a defectiv= eyJ device is causing the controller to log errors.  Is your bus terminated? =  J Once, and only once, at each end?  The error log will tell you, or your C= E, what the problem is.  ' Message text written by Terry Marosites0 >MS 7.1-2 alpha =      Hello all, =    J I am getting some errors on my SCSI controller 17,000 + is there some way=   ofB exercising this device like I can an storage controller or device? <o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 11:06:57 -0500t) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>e@ Subject: TCP/IP based program hung apparently when run detached./ Message-ID: <ss76fdd1h3t182@corp.supernews.com>h  L I am trying to diagnose a problem with a TCP/IP program that is not working.  
 The platform:n   OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Multia)	 TCPIP 5.0 	 DEC C 6.0   J The image is NMBD 2.0.6 part of the SAMBA distribution.  Up until the lastH two weeks it has run for about a year with no problems.  Now it seems to have gone comatose.g  B I can not reproduce the problem when running it interactively, andI attempting to stop it when it is running detached puts the process in theeI RWAST state.  Because it is supposed to be listening on a specific socketn< number, I can not just ignore the hung process and continue.  J This leads me to believe that I have either introduced a quota problem, or  an unitialized variable problem.  J According to the SDA, the program is waiting on a DEC C RTL select() call.K However when a client program sends a message to it, no CPU activity on the $ detached process is observed at all.  L Further analysis shows that one of the channels for the process is connectedF to a BGnn: device, but the device does not show up with the TCPIP showJ device command.  The BGnn: device does show up from a DCL show device/full command.  J I only have a VAX 5.5-2 IS&D manual to guide me through trying to find outE what is going on, and I am looking for suggestions on how to proceed.   
 Thank you,   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:27:50 -0500 (CDT)- From: sms@antinode.org Subject: TCPIP V5.0 complaints) Message-ID: <00091610275001@antinode.org>a  E    Using "DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0 on a<@ AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.2" (the hobbyist kit).   (Not a VAX, a AlphaStation.)   ------------         FTP server complaint:.  E    Anonymous FTP client connects, then tries two bad directory names:   
 alp $ ftp alp  [...]  Name (alp:sms): anonymoush+ 331 Guest login OK, send ident as password.  [...] $ FTP> cd bad_directory_with_long_nameG 550-Failed to set default directory to [.bad_directory_with_long_name].e 550 directory not foundf FTP> cd bad_dir_short_name= 550-Failed to set default directory to [.bad_dir_short_name].  550 directory not foundn	 FTP> quit   3    The TCPIP$FTP_ANONYMOUS.LOG shows the following:   F [...] CWD dir:SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ANONYMOUS.bad_directory_with_long_name].;F [...] CWD dir:SYS$SYSDEVICE:[ANONYMOUS.bad_dir_short_name].;ng_name].;F                                                             ^^^^^^^^^^#    How long is that string, anyway?:   ------------         FTP client complaint:8      Using the TCPIP FTP client:  7 FTP> get big_file      [Then hit CTRL/T a few times...]e [...]rF ALP::_RTA2: 10:39:02 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:39.11 PF=1618 IO=3441 MEM=247F ALP::_RTA2: 10:39:05 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:39.25 PF=1618 IO=3469 MEM=247F ALP::_RTA2: 10:39:07 TCPIP$FTP CPU=00:00:39.30 PF=1618 IO=3486 MEM=247    F    Using a (super-modern V3.0, c. 1997) Attachmate PathWay FTP client:  3 *get big_file      [Then hit CTRL/T a few times...]s [...]l- Receiving file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BIG_FILE.;yD Elapsed time 00:00:03.41, 65024 bytes transferred (~18.62 KB/second)- Receiving file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BIG_FILE.;lE Elapsed time 00:00:08.00, 195072 bytes transferred (~23.81 KB/second)l- Receiving file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BIG_FILE.;.E Elapsed time 00:00:11.14, 260096 bytes transferred (~22.80 KB/second)   9    I know which one tells me more of what I wish to know.    ------------  5   Does any of this get better in TCPIP V5.0A or V5.1?k  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)oC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)eG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)09    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)c   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Sep 2000 07:50:08 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)t$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris, Message-ID: <9UeP4HgJ$1Mv@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <8pu9br$pbb@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, t8     mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: > G > Hard to do when the market you're in is one that shows every sign of gL > continued abandonment by the vendor.  (Most greviously - the nonappearance > of a revised ESL/CSLG.)  >   O     Rumour has it they'll be announcing the new program at the CETS conference.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:11:19 -0500 % From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net>r$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris& Message-ID: <39C3A9B7.DACA3B5@isd.net>   David A Froble wrote:p >  > Keith Brown wrote: > > H > > Scott, I can only relay my personal experience.  My shop was lookingE > > into migrating to NT and /or Unix 5 years ago. They are no longer-J > > considering such moves. I'll list only one example of why so you don't$ > > have to suffer through my novel. > >aK > > I work for a major midwestern oil refinery.  Our sister plant installedcH > > a new LIMS (Laboratory Information Management System) at their plantH > > (Oracle backend on HP-UX). The company pushed us very hard to do theK > > same but after much anguish and gnashing of teeth they let us choose annC > > OpenVMS solution (Oracle backend on OpenVMS). The results speakmL > > volumes.  Our OpenVMS solution was up and in production in 6 months at aK > > cost of $500K.  As for our sister plant, after 3 years and $2.5 million L > > later they are still not happy with their HP-UX system and there is talk5 > > that it may be scrapped.  Management has noticed.s > >  > > Lessons learned ?r > >d% > > 1. OpenVMS is not more expensive.t  > > 2. OpenVMS is more reliable.3 > > 3. Performance is better than the HP-UX system.t > >cK > > My employer is no longer considering the replacement of OpenVMS systems 4 > > and we are now adding more OpenVMS in our plant. > >m > > -- > > Keith Brown  > > kbrown780@isd.neta > Q > Maybe you and several of your associates should be 'loaned' to the sister plant. > for a while. >  > Dave >  > --6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com8 > T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486     > Q > Maybe you and several of your associates should be 'loaned' to the sister plantn > for a while. >   ! There has been talk of that also.    -- m Keith Browns kbrown780@isd.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:44:21 +0100-  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>; Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharing:+ Message-ID: <VA.000000cd.2b5c7562@sture.ch>0  : In article <8poldb$rki$1@news.IAEhv.nl>, Hans Vlems wrote:$ > From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms = > Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharingl' > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:48:59 +0200c >  > Yes, I've done that.% > The VMS machine being a VS3100/M48. H > To give you an idea, it takes 10 minutes to get netscape running on it- > (after it was upgraded to 24 MB memory...).e  N I've just run up Netscape on my VS3100/M38, with 32MB RAM. Netscape only took M 65 seconds to fire up to a point where I could enter a URL. OK it took a bit oK longer to load other bits into memory once I asked it to do something, but  ( that's vastly different from 10 minutes.  J I know I've got another 8MB, (although mine's a slower model), but as the I following display shows, I've still got 8MB free once Netscape is up and sM running (I've got a bunch of compilers and other Hobbyist stuff INSTALLed as l well).  = Here's the output from a show memory, with Netscape running. h  @               System Memory Resources on 16-SEP-2000 10:50:37.91  L Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    ModifiedL   Main Memory (32.00Mb)            65536       16783       45737        3016  L Virtual I/O Cache Usage (pages):   Total        Free      In Use     MaximumL   Cache Memory                      6283           7        6276       43116  L Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedL   Process Entry Slots                 40          17          23           0L   Balance Set Slots                   36          15          21           0  L Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use     LargestL   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory        1207296       79360     1127936       32768L   Paged Dynamic Memory            737792      443904      293888      442672  L Paging File Usage (pages):                      Free  Reservable       TotalP   DISK$VAXVMS061:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYS      7496        7496        7496    P   DISK$VAXVMS061:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYS     73040       23864       80000      N Of the physical pages in use, 9672 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS.  I The process running Netscape currently has a working set of 13,331, with t 13,391 pagefaults.  H What does your system show in similar circumstances? Also, what are the D working set quotas for the process running Netscape? It may be that E insufficient WS quotas are causing your system to page unnecessarily.t  L Also, have you done an Autogen with feedback after a few sessions like that?  L > Netscape reports around 2 kB/s loads from local disk and 750 B/s (no typo)N > thru the W98 box. Now that just has a V90 connection but somehow I think the' > VAXstation is the limiting  factor...d > L I've just used ftp to send a 45MB file from my NT box to the VAX, and got a J rate of 237 KB/s, so I don't believe that your VAXstation _should_ be the : limiting factor. (I'm using a Zyxel ISDN Hub Router, BTW).  J (I'm using NT rather than W98, so there may be some difference there too). ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandd   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:44:22 +0100n  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>; Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharingu+ Message-ID: <VA.000000ce.2b5c7879@sture.ch>:  K In article <3mTv5.9358$%p2.361951@newsread03.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Andy   Bustamante wrote:c8 > From: "Andy Bustamante" <A_C_Bustamante@earthlink.net> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms = > Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharinge% > Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:38:55 GMTt > = > David J. P. Long <djlong@wild_wizards.net> wrote in messagee( > news:39c2b616.179073494@news.mv.com...I > > Has anyone successfully used a VMS machine to connect to the Internet,# > > through a Win98 ICS connection?e > >LJ > > The reason I ask is that I should be getting a DSL line in here soon -F > > I already have 2 PCs connected to my dialup line (ICS working veryJ > > well for that) and was wondering if I could somehow link my VaxstationH > > 3100 to it - I can get the hardware problems solved to hook it up toH > > my 10BaseT hub, that's not a problem, I'm just wondering if VMS will: > > 'see' anything or what I have to do to make it happen. > >nG > > I checked deja.com to see if this had been raised before, but all IeF > > found were a few "I'm going to try it" comments with no follow up. > >i6 > > Can anyone help or point me to a FAQ or something? > >  > > Thanks in advancel > 9 > From the Win98 box you connect to http://www.redhat.comeM > (there are other Linux distributions available as well) Either download andoJ > install Linux or order the CDRom distribution.  If you're lucky and haveK > a static address, setup ethernet neworking (my dsl service) if you have ae0 > dynamic address download the PPPoe client fromI > http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products.html   Either way configure yourgN > internal network to use this PC for access.  You now also have the option of# > firewalling the DSL access point.r > N > <Plug>  Linux Firewall by Robert Ziegler  was very helpful in configuring myH > network policies, I'm invisible now according to the free portscans at& > http://www.dslreports.com    </plug> >  > N Not so easy, I'm afraid, depending on the W98 box he's got. I've got a couple J of cheapo boxes here. To get the first running under Linux I needed a new L sound card, and still don't have a Linux supported NIC. The CD burner isn't N supported by Linux either, although it may have become so since I last looked.  N The second PC came with a Linux supported NIC, but alas, the video chipset is L unsupported, and undoubtedly so is the sound card. Miraculously the inbuilt L modem doesn't appear to be one of the Winmodems unsupported by Linux, but I  don't need it anyway.   I Getting one of the commodity PCs fully running on Linux can sometimes be d
 expensive.   Just my 2 cents. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:44:20 +0100'  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>2 Subject: Was: Big AlphaServer Sale. Now: Anti spam+ Message-ID: <VA.000000cc.2b5c7150@sture.ch>e  = In article <5TsAJrONOEyI@eisner.decus.org>, Bob Kaplow wrote:n   >  Bob Kaplow  > L > jeshuel@earthlink.net postmaster@127.0.0.1 webmaster@global-prosperity.comL > paul@still.zzn.com newyorker@cartoonbank.exactis.com Blindfury1010@aol.comG > strategies1221f@hotmail.com ahogan3@ford.com brenda@mail.anet-chi.com  >r   <snip> T  Q I chuckled when I saw that sig. It's getting pretty tiresome of late. The global  S prosperity one got me 3 or 4 times in about 18 hours last week. I was particularly 16 annoyed that they were offering spam hosting services.  J So I looked 'em up (and I've just checked again today). Here's what I got:   Registrant:0 GLOBAL PROSPERITY SCAM 1042 M st., NW Washington, DC 20007
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