1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 18 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 523       Contents:* Re: Adding hard drives to dec alpha server+ Re: Backup /ignor=interlock  = not ignoring + Re: Backup /ignor=interlock  = not ignoring ? BACKUP error: "-SYSTEM-F-BADATTRIB, bad attribute control list"  Boot Strings Compaq NUMA for WNT  Re: Compaq NUMA for WNT  Re: DEC business Link ) ERROR TYPE - EXTENDED SENSE DATA RECEIVED - Re: ERROR TYPE - EXTENDED SENSE DATA RECEIVED - Re: ERROR TYPE - EXTENDED SENSE DATA RECEIVED  GCC for Alpha with Objective-C" Re: GCC for Alpha with Objective-C RE: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point # Re: Help with Alpha Server 3000/800  Re: Hobbyist Cluster?  Re: Hobbyist Cluster?  Re: Home Built Machine???  Re: I18N kit location E Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate?  Re: kill nslookup  Multinet Timezone issue  Re: Multinet Timezone issue  NFS server UCX5.0  OpenVMS  Re: OpenVMS  Re: OpenVMS  Re: OpenVMS  Re: OpenVMS  Re: OpenVMS  Re: OpenVMS $ Recv failed:Connection reset by peer Removal of UCX interface Re: Removal of UCX interface Re: Removal of UCX interface
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 Re: Wiring Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 16:17:12 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: Adding hard drives to dec alpha server 6 Message-ID: <8q5f68$avu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  X In article <nHNw5.345$4j7.206955@ratbert.tds.net>, "Lon Hanson" <biglon@tds.net> writes:E :Can anyone tell me the steps to get two new hard drives added to our  :dec alpha server.    G   Probably easiest: contact Compaq services and request help.  (If you  H   are asking the question -- and no offense is intended here -- getting D   some trained help on-site may be the easiest and safest approach.)  <   If not, specifically which "dec alpha server" box, please?  D   If you are not sure, please use SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE to display the*   specific type of "dec alpha server" box.  / :It is running vms what version I cant be sure?   C   Please use the SHOW SYSTEM command -- the top line of the output  E   display will contain the OpenVMS version.  (The OpenVMS version is  B   probably of less interest here than are specifics of the current,   I/O subsystem and the proposed new disks.)  L :The drives are from another dec server so I want to erase them after adding :them to the current server.    F   Which specific disk drives?  There are a wide variety of disks, disk+   connection buses, and chances of success.   G   If the drives are compatible, just connect them, then use the OpenVMS G   DCL command INIT/ERASE to erase them from the running OpenVMS system.   I :I also need to know about making them stripe partiond or adding them to  7 :an existing stripe. Any help will be much appreciated.   G   There are several different ways to do this.  Do you have an existing @   implementation of striping or partitioning?  If so, which one?  K   Yes, we really need to implement a SHOW VERSION command for DCL, to show  K   the OpenVMS version and platform and such.  But I digress...  The closest M   version of this is the SDA> CLUE CONFIG mechanism, but that is clearly not  -   a command that folks will typically find...   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2000 10:57:58 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> 4 Subject: Re: Backup /ignor=interlock  = not ignoringH Message-ID: <y43diy9iw9.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  K That is only a warning, the process should continue. Have you checked with  K SHOW DEV/FILES that it really has this file open? You might also try to use + SDA to find out what BACKUP is waiting for.    	Jan   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:46:30 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>4 Subject: Re: Backup /ignor=interlock  = not ignoringI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009181642040.2632-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   + On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Terry Marosites wrote:    +Hello all, K +Doing a backup /ignor=interlock disk7:[dir2]x.x mydir:*.* my process hangs  +looking at the log I see   J +%BACKUP-W-ACCONFLICT, DISK7:[dir2]x.x;1 is open for write by another user + F +Even after I get the other users out of the file the process does notK +continue, and when I try to stop /id on the process it puts the process as  +suspended.  + & +We are running VMS 7.1-2 on an Alpha.  =  Have you check the pathes related to filesystem and backup ? 9 IMHO BACKUP may not hang - just run or return error code. D  Have you check (b.ex. with CTL-T) that the process really "hangs" ?   [...]  +Process privileges:0 + NETMBX               may create network device5 + OPER                 may perform operator functions 3 + TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox   <  Hm... Is the process group a system group, or is the device a private (or group) device ? 7  /INCL=INTERL not so long ago was warned here about the = requirement for read+write access to INDEXF.SYS - and I don't > suspect that non-system-not-owner user has RW access to it -;)    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:12:25 -0400 (EDT) 6 From: Horst Drechsel <ai05@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>H Subject: BACKUP error: "-SYSTEM-F-BADATTRIB, bad attribute control list"< Message-ID: <009F04E1.67EDADE6.2@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de>   Hi all,   =    after a recent upgrade to OpenVMS 7.2-1 / TCPIP 5.0A on an G AlphaStation 400 4/233 we get an error message when trying a VMS backup   of an NFS mounted Linux PC disk:  O ===============================================================================  $ sh dev dnfs3: /fu   O Disk DNFS3:, device type Foreign disk type 7, is online, mounted, file-oriented      device, shareable.  N     Error count                    0    Operations completed                71N     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                     [SYSTEM]N     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot   S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLN     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                512N     Total blocks              311058    Sectors per track                    0N     Total cylinders                0    Tracks per cylinder                  0  N     Volume label               "TOM"    Relative volume number               0N     Cluster size                  16    Transaction count                    1N     Free blocks                    0    Maximum files allowed          1000000N     Extend quantity               16    Mount count                          1N     Mount status              System    ACP process name            "DNFS1ACP"N     Extent cache size              0    Maximum blocks in extent cache       0N     File ID cache size             0    Blocks currently in extent cache     0N     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache         0  L   Volume Status:  ODS-2, do not unload on dismount, file high-water marking,!       write-back caching enabled. O ===============================================================================   1    The backup command yields the following error:   ' $ bac/log dnfs3:[000000...] tom.bck/sav 9 %BACKUP-E-OPENDIR, error opening directory DNFS3:[000000] / -SYSTEM-F-BADATTRIB, bad attribute control list C %BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening DNFS3:[000000]000000.DIR;1 as input / -SYSTEM-F-BADATTRIB, bad attribute control list @ %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DNFS3:[000000...]*.*;*  G    while any other file access operations on this nfs mounted directory F do work normally. We did not have that backup error under the previous# version OpenVMS 7.1 / UCX 4.2 Eco 1   "    Any hints, necessary patches ?       Thanks and greetings,         Horst       --M  **************************************************************************** )   Horst Drechsel                          L   Dr. Remeis Observatory                 drechsel@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.deL   Astronomical Institute                             Phone: +49-951-95222-15L   University Erlangen-Nuernberg                        Fax: +49-951-95222-22*   Sternwartstr.7, D-96049 Bamberg, GermanyM  ****************************************************************************    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:06:02 GMT  From: byatesiii@my-deja.com  Subject: Boot Strings ) Message-ID: <8q5b08$iu6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   F Is there any way to view the Boot Strings prior to bringing the systemD down? We have a variety of systems, Vax 6000, 7000, Alphas... and inC the middle of an upgrade is a bad time to find someone's done you a  favor.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:35:57 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Compaq NUMA for WNTL Message-ID: <OFE62AAB43.C50DA206-ON8325695E.00450F62@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  J Do you know when Compaq will release the "Proliants" using NUMA technology or anything else ?    
 Fabio Cardoso  Analista de Suporte    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:21:57 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>  Subject: Re: Compaq NUMA for WNT9 Message-ID: <Firx5.6568$tn.77543@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   L > Do you know when Compaq will release the "Proliants" using NUMA technology > or anything else ? >   J If you are referring to the rebadged 16-way and 32-way Unisys E7000 WintelL boxes running Unisys' Cellular MultiProcessing technology, the 16-way systemJ should be available within weeks, the 32-way system within several months.  J CETS2000 in Los Angeles might be a very good place to get more information# on the ProLiant datacenter systems.    cheers,    terry s    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 16:05:58 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: DEC business Link, Message-ID: <8q5eh6$7is@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  k In article <8pqp3j$odu$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  > _ >In article <39C00CA3.A2D769E7@wi.rr.com.nospam>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com.nospam> writes: - >:It has moved to www.businesslink.compaq.com  > J >  BusinessLink is (unfortunately) shutting down at the end of this month,K >  with no good replacement for customers -- resellers will have access to  H >  pricing information (via CPN or CompaqConnect), but no general accessF >  to Compaq pricing (list or otherwise) will apparently be available. >   A Which asylum did the lunatic who made that decision escape from?     David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:26:15 +0100 - From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> 2 Subject: ERROR TYPE - EXTENDED SENSE DATA RECEIVED; Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE316480@REAES2>   4 Hi. Can anyone help me with the above error message?  H Our customer is concerned that they are regularly getting error messagesH written to the SYS$ERRORLOG:ERRORLOG.SYS file with this type of message.F There number seems to be increasing. I have no idea what they mean. InH the middle of the error log entry there is a status of %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,E so I am not sure if it is a real error message, or just some spurious . nonsense that the error logger saw fit to log.   I need to know either..   H .. if it is a real problem, then what does it mean, what effect might itE be having on the system, and what should I do to resolve the problem?   C .. if it is not a problem, then why does the error logger write out C these messages, and is there any way to suppress them, and stop our + customers from fretting about non-problems?   D Attached below is an example from an error log. Many thanks for any  advice, pointers, anything.   F The machine is an AlphaServer 4100 5/600 8MB, part of a 2-node cluster running OpenVMS V7.1-1H2  . ******************************* ENTRY       3. ******************************* E  ERROR SEQUENCE 15743.                           LOGGED ON:  CPU_TYPE  00000007F  DATE/TIME  5-SEP-2000 14:07:20.90                            SYS_TYPE 00000016!  SYSTEM UPTIME: 108 DAYS 11:51:27 G  SCS NODE: CNBEP1                                           OpenVMS AXP  V7.1-1H2  *  HW_MODEL: 00000655 Hardware Model = 1621.  (  DEVICE ERROR AlphaServer 4100 5/600 8MB  (  GENERIC DK SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _$6$DKA101:
  DEC HSZ70          HW REVISION     5A333756 9                                        HW REVISION = V73Z         ERROR TYPE            05 C                                        EXTENDED SENSE DATA RECEIVED         SCSI ID               01 3                                        SCSI ID = 1.         SCSI LUN              00 4                                        SCSI LUN = 0.        SCSI SUBLUN           01 7                                        SCSI SUBLUN = 1.         PORT STATUS     00000001 J                                        %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, NORMAL SUCCESSFUL2                                         COMPLETION        SCSI CMD        96010028                         000082B6                             0001 4                                        READ EXTENDED        SCSI STATUS           00 +                                        GOOD     EXTENDED SENSE DATA          EXTENDED SENSE  00060070                         0A000000                         00000000                         0000012A                             0000 5                                        UNIT ATTENTION @                                        MODE SELECT PARAM CHANGED        UCB$L_ERTCNT    00000010 <                                        16. RETRIES REMAINING        UCB$L_ERTMAX    00000010 <                                        16. RETRIES ALLOWABLE        ORB$L_OWNER     00010004 :                                        OWNER UIC [001,004]        UCB$L_CHAR      1C4D4008 ;                                        DIRECTORY STRUCTURED 4                                        FILE ORIENTED/                                        SHARABLE 0                                        AVAILABLE.                                        MOUNTED4                                        ERROR LOGGING7                                        CAPABLE OF INPUT 8                                        CAPABLE OF OUTPUT4                                        RANDOM ACCESS        UCB$L_STS       08020810 -                                        ONLINE 5                                        SOFTWARE VALID         UCB$L_OPCNT     0023A4E2 ?                                        2335970. QIO'S THIS UNIT         UCB$L_ERRCNT    00000001 :                                        1. ERRORS THIS UNIT        IRP$L_BCNT      00000200nA                                        TRANSFER SIZE 512. BYTE(S)o        IRP$L_BOFF      00001800 =                                        6144. BYTE PAGE OFFSETM        IRP$L_PID       83795320o6                                        REQUESTOR "PID"        IRP$Q_IOSB      00000000LC                        00000000        IOSB, 0. BYTE(S) TRANSFERREDT/  ******************************* ENTRY       4.N *******************************       -- Cheers, John  F  - Note  This message represents my opinions and nothing else, not theI   opinion of SEMA, my family, or the cricket club - though my dog Meg didiE   nod in agreement whilst I was typing. If you have any problems then1D   please complain to her (or me, but not SEMA, my family or the CC).    K ___________________________________________________________________________mB This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of t Sema Group. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received thisdI email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or e- copying of this email is strictly prohibited.e  E If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group . Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________V   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2000 08:45:02 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)s6 Subject: Re: ERROR TYPE - EXTENDED SENSE DATA RECEIVED, Message-ID: <AaSzk+I$jRYa@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  < In article <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE316480@REAES2>, 2    "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> writes: > J > Our customer is concerned that they are regularly getting error messagesJ > written to the SYS$ERRORLOG:ERRORLOG.SYS file with this type of message.H > There number seems to be increasing. I have no idea what they mean. InJ > the middle of the error log entry there is a status of %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,G > so I am not sure if it is a real error message, or just some spurious-0 > nonsense that the error logger saw fit to log. >    [snip] > * >  GENERIC DK SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _$6$DKA101: >  DEC HSZ70 > 	    [snip]a! >                        0000012Av! >                            0000 7 >                                        UNIT ATTENTIONaB >                                        MODE SELECT PARAM CHANGED  G    This drive is on an HSZ70 controller. I think The "MODE SELECT PARAMeE CHANGED" message is an indication from the controller than some eventtF affecting controller performance has occurred. I've seen messages likeC this when (for example) one of the power supplies has failed on the F controller. Have you checked the console of the controller to see what' (if any) errors are being logged there?s  I    If you install the DIAGNOSE program ( rather than using ANAL/ERR ) youaD should be able to get a more meaningful interpretation of the error.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 15:52:59 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)i6 Subject: Re: ERROR TYPE - EXTENDED SENSE DATA RECEIVED0 Message-ID: <8q5dor$ebj$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  k In article <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE316480@REAES2>, "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> writes:p5 >Hi. Can anyone help me with the above error message?  >kI >Our customer is concerned that they are regularly getting error messagestI >written to the SYS$ERRORLOG:ERRORLOG.SYS file with this type of message. G >There number seems to be increasing. I have no idea what they mean. IntI >the middle of the error log entry there is a status of %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL,hF >so I am not sure if it is a real error message, or just some spurious/ >nonsense that the error logger saw fit to log.i >o >I need to know either.. >IJ >... if it is a real problem, then what does it mean, what effect might itF >be having on the system, and what should I do to resolve the problem?  E It means that a SCSI device ("_$6$DKA101:") connected to the computerh4 sent back more information than the driver expected.  E >... if it is not a problem, then why does the error logger write outoD >these messages, and is there any way to suppress them, and stop our, >customers from fretting about non-problems?  D Normally a SCSI device doesn't create extended sense data unless the device has something to tell..  E In order to know whether your message is something to worry about youkF need the SCSI command description of the device in question along with0 the possible "sense" and "extended sense" codes.    >       SCSI CMD        96010028  >                       000082B6  >                           00015 >                                       READ EXTENDEDw  >       SCSI STATUS           00, >                                       GOOD  H The above is what was sent to the device and I don't know by heart whichJ command 82B6 is (would require me to dig into the docs). But a SCSI status+ of "00" means that everything is all right.t   > EXTENDED SENSE DATA  >S  >       EXTENDED SENSE  00060070  >                       0A000000  >                       00000000  >                       0000012A  >                           00006 >                                       UNIT ATTENTIONA >                                       MODE SELECT PARAM CHANGEDr  M And this is what the device reported. It looks to me as if the device and thepG SCSI driver don't fit completely. Normally I wouldn't expect additionalHF sense codes after a status of "00". So I assume it is nothing serious. Perhaps a SCSI patch will help?r   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanne  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:29:12 GMT-+ From: Bru, Pierre <Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr>=' Subject: GCC for Alpha with Objective-C=) Message-ID: <8q5frr$ov7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>E   hi,,  D is GCC 2.8 the last version for OpenVMS Alpha ? does it contains the  Objective-C part or only C/C++ ?   TIA, Pierre    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:46:19 -0400E" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>+ Subject: Re: GCC for Alpha with Objective-Co; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20000918134441.02743af0@24.8.96.48>-  @ At 04:29 PM 9/18/00 +0000, Bru@cpmx.mail.saic.com, Pierre wrote: >hi, >aE >is GCC 2.8 the last version for OpenVMS Alpha ? does it contains the4! >Objective-C part or only C/C++ ?r  L The kit I saw did have objective C in it. Unfortunately gcc 2.8.0 generates I bad code in some circumstances (and I don't know what, exactly, but perl f# trips them) so I wouldn't trust it.n  L Try scaring up a hobbyist kit if you can and use Dec C instead. It's a much I better compiler than gcc in general, and has the advantage of generating  
 good code.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunke   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:00:05 +0100 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>& Subject: RE: Halon dump - a data pointL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EE5@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  : >Moderately good news: Halon dumps aren't instantly fatal.  L Neither is withdrawal of your oxygen supply! If you survived for more than aI minute or two my guess is that your Halon system is more or less useless. I The purpose of the halon is to deprive a fire of Oxygen. That people were I still able to operate in the room for some time indicates that there muste< have been sufficient Oxygen to keep them and any fire going.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)=   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:30:22 GMTm4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point9 Message-ID: <2Gpx5.6527$tn.76219@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>T  E "John Macallister" <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote in message0F news:35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EE5@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk...< > >Moderately good news: Halon dumps aren't instantly fatal. >.L > Neither is withdrawal of your oxygen supply! If you survived for more than a K > minute or two my guess is that your Halon system is more or less useless.s: > The purpose of the halon is to deprive a fire of Oxygen.  K Nope, halogenated agents extinguish a fire by activating the chain breaking*H mechanism of the diffusion flame combustion process. That's why Halon isJ effective in low concentrations (e.g. 5 percent) that do not dilute oxygenK levels below the 15 percent required to support respiration. Carbon dioxide J systems, by contrast, flood a protected area with 30 percent to 60 percent& concentrations thus smothering a fire.  F Source: Fire Suppression and Detection Systems, John L. Bryan (Glencoe Press, 1974)   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 16:19:03 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Help with Alpha Server 3000/8006 Message-ID: <8q5f9n$avu$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <rdeininger-1609001416350001@user-2ive7kt.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: Z :In article <969115603.142902@sj-nntpcache-3>, "Howard M. Harte" <hharte@cisco.com> wrote:N :>     Does anyone know where I can get more information on these codes, or on :> the machine in general? : J :I was hoping you could tell me. :-)  I figured whoever bid on that systemK :must have found a manual I don't have.  Machines that don't have a visiblem :console are a bit risky.m : 3 :>I found the User's Manual for the 3000/600/700 onrN :> Compaq's Web site.  They allude to a "Technical Manual" for these machines," :> but I can't find it on the web. :1G :Could you give me the URL?  It sounds like a manual I haven't found...c  J   Compaq Assisted Services (see the FAQ) generally has this sort of stuff,L   and can be an invaluable resource for folks maintaining their own systems.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:20:02 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009181619040.2632-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   & On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Hans Vlems wrote:  $ +Correct, for a VAX see this output: [...]i; +steven.reece@quintiles.com heeft geschreven in bericht ...  +>I +>I've just grabbed a look at the electronic copy of the SPD on the 7.2-1t [...]o +>VMScluster license <=> Alpha +>VAXcluster license <=> VAX.t  "  Looks like my memory is wrong -:]  Thx for correction !c    Regards - Gotfryd   -- oE =====================================================================BF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEn. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================c   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:22:51 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: Hobbyist Cluster?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009181620230.2632-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>s  > On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  I +Do you have any information about MicroVMS ?  I remember when I began toj +work with VAX/VMS (1989) thereDH +was a literature from DEC, but now Im  trying to search anything on the +Internet but I dont match !!!!h  4  The MicroVMS was available only up to 4.X version !;  Was possible load it b.ex. thru some floppies to MV2000...S   +Regards  
  - Gotfryd -- hE =====================================================================iF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 16:29:29 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: Home Built Machine???6 Message-ID: <8q5ft9$avu$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <39C2FEFB.B3CB0881@nospam.inetnebr.nospam.com.nospam>, Dale Lobb <lordgeep@nospam.inetnebr.nospam.com.nospam> writes:  7   Please shut off the html stuff when posting.  Thanks!e  G :Has anyone attempted to build thier own Alpha OpenVMS machine from the > :UP1500 or UP2000 motherboards available from Alpha Processor?  L   I'm told that some hobbyist folks have been successful at getting OpenVMS L   to boot on dual-processor UP2000 boxes, so long as all the PCI components K   (SCSI controller, graphics controller, etc) are all supported by OpenVMS.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 16:27:08 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: I18N kit location6 Message-ID: <8q5fos$avu$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  o In article <8q2i0d$mo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Uri Klil-Hahoresh" <uri.klilhahoresh@compaq.com> writes: K :I need to know where can I find the kit location of I18N: since VMS 7.2 it L :is not on the vms CD nor on the layered product attched to it. does someone :knows where can I find it?   $   OpenVMS VAX or OpenVMS Alpha V7.2?  1   Which specific CD-ROM media have you looked at?1  L   On the OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 operating system CD distribution (disk 2 of 2), N   there exists a directory DISK$ALPHA072LP:[VMSI18N_ALPHA072], which contains 3   the kit and the documentation for the I18N stuff.   J   There are THREE disks in the OpenVMS Alpha distribution, and TWO in the J   Open VAX distribution CD-ROM kits -- OpenVMS Alpha operating system and K   its core kits require two disks while OpenVMS VAX operating system needs EJ   one.  The remaining disk in both CD kits is the same, and contains kits $   that are common to both platforms.  J   The directory DISK$ALPHA072LP:[VMSI18N_ALPHA072] is on the second of the>   two CD disks specific to the OpenVMS Alpha operating system.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:14:40 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>N Subject: Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009181709300.2632-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   , On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Joseph B. Gurman wrote:  9 +In article <yNdx5.6085$5m.21979@skycache.prestige.net>,  2 +gilley@nospam.bravewc.com (Charles Gilley) wrote: [...] F +> appear to relate - /header and /maximum_files.  Are these mutually 
 +> exclusive?  +> Cooperative?  + @ +    Well, sorry simply to say, "RTFH," but here's what it says:   [...description...]   C +    So /maximum_files tells the file system the largest number of O> +headers you want to allow, and /header tewlls it how many to J +pre-allocate so it doesn't waste time creating them as you're adding the  +files.'  ;  May be worth clearly add, that nothing wrong set it little ( more that actual header count "in use" !  H +    Are you by any chabce restoring the file system from a BACKUP tape G +made with the /IMAGE qualifier? If so, you can probably ignore all of   +this.    Oh... What you say, RTFH ? -;)OC  Yes, here *was* in past a bug in BACKUP (up to 6.X ?), but current 3 version really honour the /NOINITIALISE qualifier !0    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E =====================================================================*F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 13:20:06 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: kill nslookup. Message-ID: <8q54q6$8d7$3@info.service.rug.nl>  @ In article <01JU81YM8PBC008ROX@Eisner.DECUS.org>, Jeff Schreiber% <SCHREIBER@Eisner.DECUS.org> writes: e  , >helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) wrote:B >>In article <01JU71HFZJMQ008NE4@Eisner.DECUS.org>, Jeff Schreiber' >><SCHREIBER@Eisner.DECUS.org> writes: e. >>>helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) wrote:K >>>>Note that Exit does not work either, but pressing ^Z does (difficult todI >>>>do in a .COM file, however, which is where I often run this program).  >>>bK >>>   "exit" does work.. it's just that when it comes to commands, nslookupuN >>>   is case sensitive.  Since DNS is not case sensitive, having the commandsN >>>   be case sensitive makes it so that if you actually wanted to look up theK >>>   record with the name of "exit" you can by just uppercasing one of theo >>>   letters. >>  >>Granted, but---bug or feature? >TJ >  When I first got bit by it, I assumed it was a bug, until I sat down toJ >  fix the problem, and realized if you make the 'exit' command [or any ofI >  the others] case insensitive, you'll never be able to look up a recordl# >  of the same name as a command.  o  H OK, but this would work in reverse.  By default it should be uppercase, 9 and you could lower case it to look up the "exit" record.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:59:16 +0800,+ From: Steven Xie <r33300@email.sps.mot.com>s  Subject: Multinet Timezone issue1 Message-ID: <39C5BD43.24A4D957@email.sps.mot.com>    Hello there,   Question regarding to Multinet.0  9 1. How do I change the timezone/rules for one to another.0B 2. My new location is China, there is no china timezone support by% Multinet itself, how to resolve this?    Thanks,  Steven   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:58:21 GMTc( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>$ Subject: Re: Multinet Timezone issue' Message-ID: <G12ot9.9H4@spcuna.spc.edu>t  - Steven Xie <r33300@email.sps.mot.com> writes:n; > 1. How do I change the timezone/rules for one to another.l     $ MULTINET CONFIG/SERVER#   NET-CONFIG>SET TIMEZONE zone_name    NET-CONFIG> EXIT  D > 2. My new location is China, there is no china timezone support by' > Multinet itself, how to resolve this?A  E   Multinet includes the 24 "military" time zones, one for each of thehE possible GMT offsets. One of these will work for you if you don't use9B Daylight Saving Time and you don't mind the oddball timezone name.  D   Otherwise, see the instructions in MULTINET:TIMEZONES.DAT for info  on how to create a new timezone.  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.comS5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAH   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:04:27 +0200c From: x <lemkemch@de.ina.com>y Subject: NFS server UCX5.0* Message-ID: <39BF977B.16054AFE@de.ina.com>  ; We've just upgraded to VMS 7.2-1 and TCPIP5.0A.  Apparentlyi> (but not certain) after installation of the VMS `update' patch< (on the Q site) the nfs server seem to have stopped working.? It did work immediately after the upgrade.  At the moment theren= is this in an error log file after each access attempt from ao: Linux box that has disks mounted (or wants to mount them):  B A400# type SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$NFS]TCPIP$NFS_A400_LOGFILE.LOG;476    D %%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER       13-SEP-2000 15:41:06.80  %%%%%%%%%%%%: %TCPIP-S-NFS_INISUC, NFS server is starting using log file7 SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$NFS]TCPIP$NFS_A400_LOGFILE.LOG;476,    D %%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER       13-SEP-2000 15:41:06.92  %%%%%%%%%%%%2 %TCPIP-I-NFS_INITST, starting NFS with parameters:# writing into errlog file is enabledo default UID is -2e default GID is -2e  inactivity timer is set to 02:00    D %%%%%%%%%%%%  NFS$SERVER       13-SEP-2000 15:41:07.05  %%%%%%%%%%%%@ %TCPIP-E-NFS_INETST, error creating or setting socket parameters -RMS-E-RNF, record not found1 %TCPIP-F-NFS_ABORT, NFS server NFS$SERVER aborted  A400# tcpipI TCPIP> exit6 A400#     2 and on the console we receive every 30 secs or so:   A400#18 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  13-SEP-2000 16:35:34.86  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user INTERnet on A400% INTERnet ACP Process creation successO   A400# 8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  13-SEP-2000 16:35:34.86  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user INTERnet on A400C INTERnet ACP NFS Accept Request from Host: 192.44.90.25     Port: 0t   A400#n8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  13-SEP-2000 16:35:35.21  %%%%%%%%%%%& Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on A4002 Security alarm (SECURITY) on A400, system id: 1424' Auditable event:          Network login 1 Event time:               13-SEP-2000 16:35:35.20 " PID:                      202000EA# Process name:             TCPIP$NFSE# Username:                 TCPIP$NFS / Process owner:            [TCPIP$AUX,TCPIP$NFS]e Image name:h/ A400$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]LOGINOUT.EXEw# Remote node id:           341454016e# Remote username:          TCPIP$NFS    A400#h8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  13-SEP-2000 16:36:06.18  %%%%%%%%%%%# Message from user TCPIP$NFS on A400-: %TCPIP-S-NFS_INISUC, NFS server is starting using log file7 SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$NFS]TCPIP$NFS_A400_LOGFILE.LOG;5638     A400# 8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  13-SEP-2000 16:36:06.28  %%%%%%%%%%%# Message from user TCPIP$NFS on A40062 %TCPIP-I-NFS_INITST, starting NFS with parameters:# writing into errlog file is enabled  default UID is -2  default GID is -2   inactivity timer is set to 02:00     A400#e8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  13-SEP-2000 16:36:06.51  %%%%%%%%%%%# Message from user TCPIP$NFS on A40091 %TCPIP-F-NFS_ABORT, NFS server NFS$SERVER abortedr     A400#:8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  13-SEP-2000 16:36:06.65  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user INTERnet on A4007 INTERnet ACP detected TCPIP$NFS exiting before 'accept's   A400#e8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  13-SEP-2000 16:36:06.65  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user INTERnet on A400H INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status = %TCPIP-F-NFS_ABORT       Any suggestions?   Thanks,< Michael.   --
 Michael LemkeC< Sternwarte Bamberg, University of Erlangen-Nrnberg, Germany" (lemke@sternwarte.uni-erlangen.de)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:51:15 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br? Subject: OpenVMSL Message-ID: <OF361308C6.00AFF88C-ON8325695E.0040A133@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Hi people !!!!  D I am new in this mailing list and I am reading the discussions about OpenVMS return. H I am from Brazil and we have a good base of VMS / OpenVMS installations=  and1 a few companies are buying OpenVMS systems now...e  + I would like to  know from you two things ?a  H 1 - What do you expect from OpenVMS in the future ? (features, products= ,- technology, Java, etc ....)-  H 2 - What are the most important produtcs running in OpenVMS for you ? (= ex.r! Raxco, Oracle, Advsyscon, etc...)y  H PS: Do you know if there=B4s SAP for OpenVMS ??????  OpenVMS should be = a good Oracle+SAP box !!!!!   Regardsa  
 Fabio Cardoso0 Analista de Suporter =    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2000 14:00:16 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: OpenVMS( Message-ID: <39c603d0@news.kapsch.co.at>  x In article <OF361308C6.00AFF88C-ON8325695E.0040A133@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:E >I am new in this mailing list and I am reading the discussions aboute >OpenVMS return.   OpenVMS was never away.d: Only the marketing for VMS was (and partly still is) gone.E   VMS ads (seldom, but there are some) only go the installed VMS baseu  I >I am from Brazil and we have a good base of VMS / OpenVMS installations=a > and 2 >a few companies are buying OpenVMS systems now... > , >I would like to  know from you two things ? >XI >1 - What do you expect from OpenVMS in the future ? (features, products== >, >technology, Java, etc ....)  $ JAVA V1.1.8-5 is there since months.& JAVA V1.2 is currently in public beta.  I >2 - What are the most important produtcs running in OpenVMS for you ? (=2 >ex." >Raxco, Oracle, Advsyscon, etc...)  J For me personally, general purpose. All that runs on VMS should run there.D For my company, VMS is dead and should be replaced better yesterday.  I >PS: Do you know if there=B4s SAP for OpenVMS ??????  OpenVMS should be =d >a goody >Oracle+SAP box !!!!!o   Should be, but isn't. ; ORACLE people (at least here) keep telling that VMS is deadeA 	(though ORACLE's webpage tells that VMS is [partly] back again). A And SAP abandoned support for VMS many years ago (and I don't seei4 	statements or actions of Q to [try to] revert this)   -- u< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888w< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 12:02:05 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)i Subject: Re: OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <8q507t$90g$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  x In article <OF361308C6.00AFF88C-ON8325695E.0040A133@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:  I >1 - What do you expect from OpenVMS in the future ? (features, products,  > technology, Java, etc ....):  , More software like a current web-browser ;-)  K >2 - What are the most important produtcs running in OpenVMS for you ? (ex. " >Raxco, Oracle, Advsyscon, etc...)  I Multinet, Oracle, GCG (just dropped support for OpenVMS), MENUE (ok, I amh biased here ;-)  ), PMDF  N >PS: Do you know if there=B4s SAP for OpenVMS ??????  OpenVMS should be a good >Oracle+SAP box !!!!!e  0 There was SAP for OpenVMS but SAP dropped it :-(   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannh  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:40:51 -0500t1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS8 Message-ID: <8q55va$hhd$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  H Welcome to comp.os.vms.  VMS never went away, but was a neglected child.G The child kept getting bigger, better and stronger despite the neglect. - There are signs of improvement on this front.c  I Supposedly, there is a rather large marketing effort being launched "realc2 soon now" on Compaq's not just being a PC company.  3 I look forward to this campaign.  So should we all.d   Dave...=  6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF361308C6.00AFF88C-ON8325695E.0040A133@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br... Hi people !!!!  D I am new in this mailing list and I am reading the discussions about OpenVMS return.=K I am from Brazil and we have a good base of VMS / OpenVMS installations and-1 a few companies are buying OpenVMS systems now...S  + I would like to  know from you two things ?s  H 1 - What do you expect from OpenVMS in the future ? (features, products, technology, Java, etc ....).  J 2 - What are the most important produtcs running in OpenVMS for you ? (ex.! Raxco, Oracle, Advsyscon, etc...)n  K PS: Do you know if theres SAP for OpenVMS ??????  OpenVMS should be a goodD Oracle+SAP box !!!!!   Regards   
 Fabio Cardoso  Analista de Suportee   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:49:41 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s Subject: Re: OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <009F04DE.3ADF6284@SendSpamHere.ORG>  x In article <OF361308C6.00AFF88C-ON8325695E.0040A133@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: >Hi people !!!!M > E >I am new in this mailing list and I am reading the discussions about= >OpenVMS return.I >I am from Brazil and we have a good base of VMS / OpenVMS installations=S > and 2 >a few companies are buying OpenVMS systems now... > , >I would like to  know from you two things ? >sI >1 - What do you expect from OpenVMS in the future ? (features, products=B >, >technology, Java, etc ....) >sI >2 - What are the most important produtcs running in OpenVMS for you ? (=l >ex." >Raxco, Oracle, Advsyscon, etc...)  I I only run quality, well engineered products sold by well intended honestf people and companies...     I From your list above, I would have to say that those criteria apply to at $ least two of the three you've cited.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             oO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:55:52 +0000e- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>d Subject: Re: OpenVMS. Message-ID: <39C63B08.E4026CA4@fsi.net.mapson>   Dave Gudewicz wrote: [snip]K > Supposedly, there is a rather large marketing effort being launched "realD4 > soon now" on Compaq's not just being a PC company. > 5 > I look forward to this campaign.  So should we all.a   I dunno, Dave.  G Creating identity confusion in the mind of the "market" has hardly beentD successful for anyone in the past. Given Compaq's position Vs. (IBM,C Dell, Gateway, etc.), this is a gamble that Compaq cannot afford to 
 lose, IMO.  F My personal contention is that they would do better to push OpenVMS asG if it were it's own entity, and just have small print or a fast-talkingiB announcer at the end saying, "OpenVMS is a product Compaq Computer
 Corporation".c  E That, IMO, would preserve the "market identity" of both OpenVMS _AND_ H Compaq ... or at the very least, minimize the opportunity for confusion.  F ...not sure just how best to handle advertising Alphas, except to pushG them in OpenVMS ads as OpenVMS machines, in Tru64 ads as Tru64 machines A and in AlphaLinux ads as AlphaLinux machines. (Hhmmm... Versatiles; buggers, aren't they? Too bad NT/W2K on Alpha went away...)r   David J. DachteraS   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:10:15 -0400V* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS- Message-ID: <39C63E67.9C2D48CD@tsoft-inc.com>H   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > C > And SAP abandoned support for VMS many years ago (and I don't see-= >         statements or actions of Q to [try to] revert this)t  O Without getting into specifics and details, I'll repeat a rumor that DEC/Compaq/N approached SAP on 3 separate occasions, and were rebuffed.  Maybe any blame of- Compaq on this issue is GROSSLY mis-directed.S   Dave   -- ,4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:11:02 GMT  From: thefantom@my-deja.come- Subject: Recv failed:Connection reset by peert) Message-ID: <8q4m6t$ref$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a   Help !,n   1)  F I'm running an RSH command from Windows NT 4.0 which runs a commamd onF the VAX(vms), The Command takes about 10 mins to run but after about 2E mins I get the error Recv failed: Connection reset by peer. What do Io6 do to resolve this. (P.S the same happens with Rexec.)   2)  ? Does anyone know where I can get and REXEC.EXE which takes a -po8 parameter (Password),runs on Windows NT and is for free.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.P   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:09:58 GMTl From: kevinmadsen@my-deja.com ! Subject: Removal of UCX interface=) Message-ID: <8q57n5$ej1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   . I have a Dec Alpha running OpenVMS 7 with UCX.0 It has two network adapters, a 10Mb and a 100Mb.0 I would like to remove the 10Mb card as it is no longer used.  1 We have run into the issue where the box will not 0 boot if the 10Mb card does not have link status,) even though we are not actively using it.   - What steps are necessary to remove the TCP/IPs+ (UCX) configuration and other configuration . parameters prior to removing the physical card
 from the box?r   Any help we be appreciated.w  
 Sincerely, Kevin Madsen kmadsen@muscanet.com    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:48:57 +0200.5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> % Subject: Re: Removal of UCX interfacei- Message-ID: <39C62B59.C1ABB2FD@whitehouse.nl>    kevinmadsen@my-deja.com wrote:  / > What steps are necessary to remove the TCP/IPh- > (UCX) configuration and other configurations0 > parameters prior to removing the physical card > from the box?     $ ucx set config nointerface xxx  : Where xxx is the name of the interface you want to remove.   Oswald   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:56:53 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>% Subject: Re: Removal of UCX interfaceoI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009181654310.2632-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>f  2 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 kevinmadsen@my-deja.com wrote:  / +I have a Dec Alpha running OpenVMS 7 with UCX.m1 +It has two network adapters, a 10Mb and a 100Mb. 1 +I would like to remove the 10Mb card as it is noe
 +longer used.o [...]e. +What steps are necessary to remove the TCP/IP, +(UCX) configuration and other configuration/ +parameters prior to removing the physical cardj +from the box?    RTFM in HELP !g  % UCX> SHOW INTERFACE	! To see the listm< UCX> SET NOINTERFACE the_interface_name ! Remove from memory= UCX> SET CONFIG NOINTER the_int_name	! and from config files.e    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 08:45:40 -0500z* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: Re[2]: Wiring- Message-ID: <0033000004658173000002L032*@MHS>X  D =0AIn article <Klbx5.16086$j6.3503311@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>, "Tom"H <tomw9990@home.com> writes: >Help!!!  We have rewired out building in p= reps for future upgrades to a pchH >network.  The basic idea is that we used Cat 5 UTP from a patch panel = toH >RJ45 jacks.  We wanted to run our VAX 3100 over this for now using cus= tomeH >jumpers (RJ 45 to -Dec).  On the terminal end the jumper would be wire= daH >straight through  and on the patch panel to server jumpers we would re= verserH >the wires in the dec plug end to get the x-over.  It does not appear t= o beH >working.  Any information onb this subject will be greatly appreciated= .c >N >thanks  >Tom Watsong >QCS >B >7  H Would you mind telling us how your RJ45 to MMJ cables look?  I'd suspec= t, aslH it's the easiest, that pin 1-6 on the MMJ interface with the pins 2-7 i= n theeH RJ45.  Are you certain that ALL 8 conductors are present in the buildin= g'shH wiring and are properly connected at the wall jack and the patch panel?=   IsH did such a setup recently.  Two CAT-5 350MHz runs to each desk/office a= nd IH made up custom MMJ cables to allow printer or terminal connections over=  the CAT-5.5                   |                                 |TH MMJ(p)<--->RJ45(p)|RJ45(j)=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=% =3D=3D=3D=3DRJ45(j)|RJ45(p)<---->????,5                   |                                 |07                  wall                             patchh7                                                   panell   What is ???? --H VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS= (dot)COM  H city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named aft= er them.  H      VAXman is right.  It depends on what the in-the-wall stuff is, and=        what ???? is.  H      To check the wall, get hold of a SLT3 cable tester (made by MOD-TA= P)-sH      They're relatively cheap, they'll test your in-wall UTP for opens = and 5      crossovers and they're virtually indestructible.s        WWWebb=   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:27:23 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl># Subject: Re: strange FTP happenings I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009181716430.2632-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>r  % On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Mike Tock wrote:a   +Hi AllY +nL +At work we run VMS 7.1-1H2 with UCX version 4.2 ECO 2, and VMS 6.2-1H3 withL +UCX 4.2 ECO 4. Now on both of these platforms when ftp'ing ascii files overL +250Kb to the systems with reflection4 ftp client on win 95 and the straightM +windows command prompt FTP. I get a 550-%RMS file to large for users buffer.C2                                               ****  F  You are sure, that the response wasn't "record too large for..." ????H  Will suspect a problem with text line (without CR LF pair) longer than  32 kB !->  You may get a file from non-DOS (b.ex. UN*X) system, then the@ separators are "improper", or really have a loooooooong line -:)
  Check that !O=  RMS can save on disk only "records" up to 32kB... and in theC' "ASCI" FTP type that means a text line.a  K +Now if I transfer the same file from NT or UNIX to the same hosts it workssK +fine. The odd thing is I can transfer the files using binary but of course%M +they get screwed up, i can transfer the file from the hosts to anything else J +without problem. Anybody come across this before and if so is it fixable.  !  Get the "BIN" FTPed file and do:6  F $ SET FILE the_bin_ftped_file/ATTR=(RFM=STM,MRS=32500,LRL=32500) ! [1]  and check, if you can:e $ TYPE the_bin_ftped_file%B (you can check /OUT=NLA0: if will not wait, *but* with display-to-= screen you can find the "wrong" line - to be precise one line 
 before :])  9  If you already get the "record too large to user buffer".= then you have problem: the file is not supported with "normalg8 text operation". Some utilities still can operate on it.   +Cheers- +- +Mike T-    Regards - Gotfryd; [1] To be precise: max value is 2^15 - 2 byte, but I am toos  lazy get a calculator -:] -- gE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:35:13 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39C5EFE1.E8781127@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > q > In article <39C0FC8F.72DD9A88@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:O > > Rob Young wrote: > > t > >> In article <39BCB3DD.F5B832EB@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > >> > Rob Young wrote:2 > >> > >> > > >>H >         The bottom line is you are clueless and aren't even in contactN >         with your handler(s) to even get the company line out there clearly. > M >         Hope they hear about your inane blathering.  Inane?  Sure... Again,lR >         you are clueless regarding what your employer's spokespeople are saying. >  Well lets see shall we.g  F > > Your understanding was and is incorrect. I have already replied toB > > another persons posting with the example of the customer who II > > am working for who has one datacenter which was outside the operatinga# > > temperature range for the E10K.  > >u > G >         But it really isn't an environmental issue.  See below beforeV >         you blather.   > lots snipped < >   G >         It's not an environmental problem.  It is a memory problem as.3 >         confirmed by Sun spokesman Doug van Aman.o > M >         Andrew.... you really should contact your handler ASAP!!!  And alsos9 >         find a chalk or whiteboard and write 100 times:t > I >                 "It really isn't an environmental issue, it is a memoryc >                  issue." > 7 >         As related to us by various Sun spokespeople.u > < The report you refer to quotes Doug Van Aman as saying that 0 the ecache part that we are using can flip bits.  : But Rob it does not just flip bits by itself, it does not : just sit there and say I am bored lets have a little flip & to liven things up a bit around here.   5 The bits flip because of external factors, these are  ' the environmental factors I refered to.   5 Since you seem to be having a real hard time grasping 9 this, try a car alarm as an analogy. Most alarms contain l4 some sort of switch that is activated by vibration.   3 The switch has a threshold vibration below which itS1 is not activated, but some switches are set lowers5 than others, hence the gust of wind in a parking lot t' setting off some alarms and not others.-  6 As far as I know all ecache will flip if the external 0 force is powerfull enough. The part that we are 7 using flips lower than expected but not low enough that-7 sensible environmental controls have a major impact on E# the incidence that the flip occurs.b   Regardsp Andrew Harrison. Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:47:29 +0100y0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39C5F2C1.4D86B640@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,c > N > >>> Interesting spin. What would Compaqs position be if a customer ran theirL > GS140's in a datacenter that was say 30C and the machine failed with say a > CPU failure. <<b > M > Simple. Since ANY datacenter running at 30C would likely be a very isolated(M > incident (A/C failure most likely since datacenter folks are experienced IT-K > people), the Customer would fix the A/C problem, Compaq Customer Services4M > would replace the board and that would be the end of the problem.  Assuming : > a maint contract was in place, there would be no charge. > & > Whats hard to understand about that? > < You response demonstrates that you don't appear to have the B first idea what sort of environment you will find in a datacenter.  ? You make the great mistake of assuming that a datacenter is one0? environment, it isn't there often a number of micro-climates in?? each datacenter. For example there often isn't one temperature p< in a datacenter but a range of temperatures often differing ; by as much as 4C from the coldest point in the room to the b	 warmest. t  = Same for sub-floor temperature and pressure, same for a wholeh set of parameters.  : You also seem oblivious to the fact that fixing the AC is = not necessarely any easy option. You may simply be producing  : more heat in the datacenter than the AC can cope with. The@ only fix to this is to change the AC which in a major datacenter is not an easy thing to do.5  = The fact that you say simple fix the AC demonstrates that youi9 don't really know enough about this to be commenting for  = Compaq. I suspect that Compaqs sevices organisations responseM; would be a lot more complex than yours. At least I hope it e; would because if it isn't then there are going to be a lot iA of customers who will say, we know the AC isn't working properly u but we have to live with it. a   Regards. Andrew Harrisont Enterprise IT Architects   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:28:58 +0100S  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persistH Message-ID: <OF3625DDB4.1E53DD7F-ON8025695E.003E481A@qedi.quintiles.com>  K But although it's true that there is going to be a range of temperature andyG a range of RH etc in the typical data centre, if the company owning theVK data centre decide to put extra kit in there and it takes the room over the6F capacity which the AC can deal with then one (or more) of four actions needs to be taken :i - put the kit elsewhere;% - upgrade the AC so that it can cope;a4 - put in additional AC capacity so that it can cope;G - take out some of the "original" kit to bring the contents of the room , back to the level that the AC can cope with.  H Usually a data centre will go out of normal conditions when either extraG kit is added or when, as Kerry points out, part of the AC fails and thet cooling capacity is downgraded.2  I Companies that configure computer rooms with insufficient capacity in any.J service perhaps deserve all they get (and no, there are no specific limits  or exclusions to that statement)  K Oh, by the way Andrew.  Even on an E10000, 21+4=25 (assuming that the idealhE temperature that is being aimed for is the 21 degrees C that has been  quoted.....)   Andrew Harrison wrote:> >>>You response demonstrates that you don't appear to have theB first idea what sort of environment you will find in a datacenter.  ? You make the great mistake of assuming that a datacenter is one0? environment, it isn't there often a number of micro-climates in > each datacenter. For example there often isn't one temperature; in a datacenter but a range of temperatures often differinga: by as much as 4C from the coldest point in the room to the warmest.  = Same for sub-floor temperature and pressure, same for a wholes set of parameters.  9 You also seem oblivious to the fact that fixing the AC isn< not necessarely any easy option. You may simply be producing: more heat in the datacenter than the AC can cope with. The@ only fix to this is to change the AC which in a major datacenter is not an easy thing to do.i  = The fact that you say simple fix the AC demonstrates that you'8 don't really know enough about this to be commenting for= Compaq. I suspect that Compaqs sevices organisations responsep: would be a lot more complex than yours. At least I hope it: would because if it isn't then there are going to be a lot@ of customers who will say, we know the AC isn't working properly but we have to live with it.<<<    ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2000 10:42:42 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <wYQzFsJoRz45@eisner.decus.org>o  ] In article <39C5EFE1.E8781127@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:e > Rob Young wrote: >> rr >> In article <39C0FC8F.72DD9A88@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: >> > Rob Young wrote:  >> >u >> >> In article <39BCB3DD.F5B832EB@uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:v >> >> > Rob Young wrote: >> >>o >> >> >s >> >>tI >>         The bottom line is you are clueless and aren't even in contactcO >>         with your handler(s) to even get the company line out there clearly.i >> eN >>         Hope they hear about your inane blathering.  Inane?  Sure... Again,S >>         you are clueless regarding what your employer's spokespeople are saying.  >> i > Well lets see shall we.o > G >> > Your understanding was and is incorrect. I have already replied to-C >> > another persons posting with the example of the customer who IjJ >> > am working for who has one datacenter which was outside the operating$ >> > temperature range for the E10K. >> > >> uH >>         But it really isn't an environmental issue.  See below before >>         you blather.b >  >> lots snipped <a >> a > H >>         It's not an environmental problem.  It is a memory problem as4 >>         confirmed by Sun spokesman Doug van Aman. >>  N >>         Andrew.... you really should contact your handler ASAP!!!  And also: >>         find a chalk or whiteboard and write 100 times: >> jJ >>                 "It really isn't an environmental issue, it is a memory >>                  issue."1 >> 58 >>         As related to us by various Sun spokespeople. >>  > > The report you refer to quotes Doug Van Aman as saying that 2 > the ecache part that we are using can flip bits. > < > But Rob it does not just flip bits by itself, it does not < > just sit there and say I am bored lets have a little flip ( > to liven things up a bit around here.  >   6 	Maybe it does!  Why else would Sun be doing something4 	as radical as mirroring the cache!  Certainly is an5 	unusual solution!  Who else in the industry is doingt7 	something similar?  No one.  So Sun has a problem thatm8 	no one else has and is going so far as mirroring ecache> 	to solve it because they can't determine the cause, can they?    C 	I'm not having a "real hard time" grasping this.  You consistentlye= 	overlook what your own spokespeople are recommending.  Sincel< 	you consistently trim what might make you look like a dolt, 	here it is once again:5   	van Aman says:s  K http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-2752389.html?tag=st.ne.1002.srchres.nie  P "Sometimes the problem was ameliorated by lowering the temperature of the serverJ environment, but the problem still happened more often than specifications should have permitted."n  @ 	Sometimes lowering the temperature helps.  If it helped all the? 	time, a little red letter would go out advising a fix.  Ain't   	happening.d  < 	But no mind... Sun is releasing "scrubber software".  Is it4 	a total fix?  Not at all... as Shoemaker relates in 	another thread:  D http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO49055,00.html  M "By year's end, Sun will release a mirrored memory module that should addressd. this issue once and for all, Shoemaker added." 	v> 	Wiggle all you want Andrew.  It isn't an environmental issue.@ 	It is a cache issue or Sun wouldn't be working hard at mirrored 	cache to fix it.p  	 	Spin on!o   				Robn   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Sep 2000 11:22:33 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)D Subject: Re: TCP/IP based program hung apparently when run detached.* Message-ID: <39c5ded9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  [ In article <ss76fdd1h3t182@corp.supernews.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes:=M >I am trying to diagnose a problem with a TCP/IP program that is not working.H >E >The platform: >! >OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Multia)a
 >TCPIP 5.0
 >DEC C 6.0  = My suggestion is upgrade to V7.2-1 (better with all 10 ECOs), = TCPIP V5.0A (with PTRV50A-05 patch !!) and maybe DEC C V6.2A.4  2 TCPIP V5.0 is being known for very nasty problems.   -- :< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888c< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 16:36:45 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.0 complaints6 Message-ID: <8q5gat$avu$5@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  B In article <00091610275001@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:F :   Using "DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0 on aA :AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.2" (the hobbyist kit).s6 :  Does any of this get better in TCPIP V5.0A or V5.1?  K   Donno about the anonymous FTP logging bug, but I know of a latent problemcL   with telnet in V5.0 that would make me want to upgrade to that release in 
   most cases.d  I   I don't know that the ^T handler has been added to the FTP client, but o@   would tend to doubt it.  That's a cute extension, I might add.  "   V5.1 is currently in field test.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:30:56 +00000- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> $ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris. Message-ID: <39C63530.73164809@fsi.net.mapson>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > David, > M > As stated a few times in the past, a new ad campaign is in the works and iss > expected to start shortly. > H > As stated a few times before, starting a new ad campaign in the summerE > months with every one on vacation would not be the smartest move...   C Sun launched their "The Dot" campaign within the last three or fourv4 weeks, if memory serves (and it frequently doesn't).  B Also, had Compaq been "ahead of the curve", those magazines in theG airline seat-back pockets, and in the gift shops and on the news-stands2D in the terminals would have been loaded with snappy one-pagers like,< "Why settle for blue-screen when you can have Blue Moon?" (AD professional person sleeping peacefully, pager lying silently on theD night stand, except for Z's coming from the pager, a "dream balloon"H over the pro.'s head, and moonbeams streaming in through the window.) orF "Stock Exchanges and banks trust us to handle your money. Your data isG safe with us!" or "We make help Intel make the processors in your LinuxcE (" and NT" deleted) servers. Doesn't that say it all?" (Watch it with > that last one - given the Pentium III recalls, and the lack of6 OpenVMS-Intel, that one could back-fire in major way!)  = Feel free to use these ideas without credit... Just USE 'EM! o   You snooze, you lose!u  1 > Will it address all (or any?) of your concerns?n  H If it emphasizes stability, cost-effectiveness, short-term affordabilityF and long-term savings (in reduced downtime, shorter time-to-market, or? whatever "presses the prospect's buttons"), then it just might.r  0 Otherwise, it's just more lighted super-balls...  G Jeez! Where's Sam Kinnison(sp?) when you need him? Maybe we should sendfH the drill sargeant from Full Metal Jacket out to Compaq corporate. (Nah," Lawrence blew him away, remember?)  d( > Don't know. Will have to wait and see.  < Apparently. I dunno, either. What I do know is that all this- ass^H^H^Hfoot-dragging is getting us nowhere.0  F ...and, if you think the OpenVMS market's outlook is so rosy, come out? here to metro Chicago and try peddling it. You're in for a rudey
 awakening!  E Sorry for the gruff tone. I'm well "over threshold" on this issue, as  other posters can attest.o   -- David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.-   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 15:50:18 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)$ Subject: RE: To VMS From SCO/Solaris, Message-ID: <8q5djr$7is@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  x In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052847B4@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> writes: >3L >"Lots more stuff cooking ... who knows - perhaps even stuff for Edu and low >end systems?" >,  H This would be a lot more believable if Compaq actually threw us a scrap A once and a while instead of just implying that one may be coming.o  D >Also, some of the urls I provided like Cognos and Attunity urls areK >application and eBusiness/ B2B development specific and apply to large andy >small environments. >tH >Perhaps not to the technical computing environment that you are in, but( >application development just the same.   I SOOOOOO irrelevant for technical computing.  Do you think that any of theoG hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Tru64 systems purchased by the H DOE, Celera, and similar sites use either of those products?  Neither doA they use OpenVMS. And given the $$$ those sites have for softwareaH development what THAT tells you is that OpenVMS performance is not up toK snuff and/or the relevant application development tools such as PVM and MPI H are nonexistant.   Why should we not assume that OpenVMS is considered aK second tier OS by Compaq when the nifty compiler optimizations and the fastoK libraries only show up on Tru64???  (And a cynic might argue that they wanteF the business machine programs to run less than optimally so that thoseK customers would spend more on SMP processors, memory and disk subsystems.) i  % >And while it might upset you to hear 0 >this, there are new Customers adopting OpenVMS.  J It doesn't upset me.  It's just irrelevant when what those customers do is  totally unrelated to what I do.    >r' >Like I stated before "stay tuned .."    >   K To what?  More empty promises?  Compaq can spin the DII/COE work as much asiJ it wants but it cannot make us forget Spiralog.  So we're not going to betJ the farm, or even a chicken, that DII/COE will do anything for us until weG test for ourselves that it will.  And how serious should we take Compaq I when it hasn't even found the strength of will to fix the ESL/CSLG, which J is a real dog compared to the competition, and which requires nothing moreI than a bit of paper shuffling to repair?  What better signal could CompaqSE send us that it either doesn't care about, or doesn't understand, thee academic market? n   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:08:54 -0400u% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>n$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris" Message-ID: <39c64bc0@news.si.com>  I >How about some type of document, not sure what type, and maybe shouldn't-K >prejudice that decision up front, that lists all the things VMS does for aiI >customer.  Put this in the form (possibly) of a check list, which can be  used toDL >determine what you will lose by leaving VMS, or a list of things a customerL >should confirm their new system(s) should be able to do.  A document easily usedK >by someone in an organization considering a switch from VMS, or who may beP inI >some stage of such a switch, or who has completed a switch.  I'm sure itb shouldG >be put in a more politically neutral maner, but basically something toe shove upJ >the noses of the PHBs and show them what they're giving up, and what type ofK >shaky position they are placing themselves in, should things start gettings >tense.   L I, for one, am not sure what good such a document would do, since a majorityF of the migrations from OpenVMS to another O/S happen for non-technical (i.e., political) reasons. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comgA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:28:57 +0200f? From: "DECHAIZE Thierry (Dir INFRA)" <thierry.dechaize@sncf.fr>p Subject: TR: Compaq VMS promoi@ Message-ID: <21EC2A9D83EED311A3EB0008C733892B1CEA14@S70ERTBIA11>   	Hi,  C 	Is it a good URL : http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/ (I  don't access it today ?!?!?) ?  	 	Regards.a   -----Message d'origine-----a; De: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam]=20 & Date: vendredi 15 septembre 2000 19:37 =C0: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com Objet: Re: Compaq VMS promor     We are VMS and we have balls!s  E Here are some answers to some of the questions raised in this string.t  D Yes there are batteries in the balls and if you drop the ball in a =	 stairwellfD that is 4 floors high, replacing the battery is no longer a problem.< Neither is bouncing the ball to much.  This has been tested.  G If you received a ball that does not light, sell it to a big company in B Redmond for a million dollars they are used to that kind of thing.  F If you are outside of the US you will be receiving a package if your = name isA' in the database.  It just takes longer.   D Also if people have done the automatic subscription to OpenVMS and = checkedt4 the yes please put me in the database you are added., http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/  
 Best Regards,m   Sueh  A All opinions stated are my own and should be viewed as personal =t opinion.        D Bill Gunshannon wrote in message <8ptlfm$2ndg$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>...9 >In article <000801c01f1a$13009570$2b96a8c6@mscmain.com>, 2 > Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com> writes: >|>tF >|> So has everyone gotten their VMS promo package in the mail yet?  = Nice Super  >|> ball with light inside.o >wE >Super Ball??  Mine was anything but "super".  It barely bounces at =e all.D >At least a super ball would have been fun, especially in the labs!! >e< >|>                         Wtih a note from Rich M. Saying:F >|> "One of our customers recently reminded me that Compaw Open VMS onF >|> AlphaServer systems requires such little management that you can = spend5 some& >|> time having a little fun.  Enjoy!" >eH >Yeah, but some of us don't have Alphas.  Of course, I'll gladly trade = my >super ball for a couple.  >o >bills >a >-- F >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three = wolvesE >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.r >University of Scranton   |'? >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>r   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 16:50:07 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: Trap "STOP process" command inside your C program6 Message-ID: <8q5h3v$bgc$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  m In article <hshubs-7A34E1.20544617092000@news.mindspring.com>, Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes:o ..M :I use one I call "KICK".  Perhaps I should rename it "THROTTLE" and call my tP :"$WAKE" program "KICK"?  Nah... the WAKE program should be called NUDGE.  Then N :all I need is a program called WINK (that does what??), and I can do a Monty  :Python bit.  F   Don't forget to implement the "not dead yet" error message, probably@   in response to a failed attempt to write out the process dump.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 09:16:53 +0200e5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>s Subject: Re: UCX ImpersonatorS- Message-ID: <39C5C165.BBE9CD04@whitehouse.nl>F   Anonymous wrote: > N > Does anybody know if there is a way of changing which node in the cluster is" > the 'IMPERSONATOR' under UCX ??? > J > It seems that a re-boot will do it, and letting the 'token' timer expire' > too..... But is there another way ???i  H As long as there are connections to the impersonator address it will notH move to the next node. When there are no active connections it will moveH after the cluster timer expires (ucx set comm/cluster_timer). Default is
 5 minutes.  ; You can also force a failover with the command 'ucx set int H xxx/nocluster'. Note that this command will terminate all connections to the impersonator address.u   > F > We are currently running UCX 4.2 , would an upgrade to v.5 help ????   No, it works the same.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:36:31 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> Subject: ups sizingx2 Message-ID: <8q599l$vnt$1@s1.read.news.oleane.net>   Hi !   I need to size a UPS for	  - 2 DS10a  - 2 BA356 full of disks
  - 2 PWS433au.  - 1 MicroVAX 3180
  - 2 BA353  * Where could I find the data for each one ?   Thanks Jean-Francois Marchalb X9000 - LYON   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:43:40 +0930aA From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrobx@stmarksx.ppx.catholicx.edux.aux>A; Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection Sharingo3 Message-ID: <Cqix5.19770$cr3.506680@ozemail.com.au>   G "Graham Harrison" <graham.harrison@cheshdatasys.co.uk> wrote in message', news:8pnr8q$hh7$1@starburst.uk.insnet.net...C > I've had my DEC-3000 working both through a product call WinRoutes	 (found onp > Download.Com) when I usedu@ > win-98, and now that I've upgraded to Windows 2000 - I use the Internet > Connection Sharing (ICS).  > D > Window 2000 (and I guess Win98SE, but I've not tried it), dish out throughy > DHCP 198.162.0.n  E Win98SE P166/128Mb with a 56k Hayes analogue dialup modem shared to ai5 192.168.0.x subnet works happily with the following:-i  & PC's running Win 3.11 with TCP/IP etc.@ PC's running Win95/98/NT4 workstation. (Haven't tried NT server)! PC's running Linux/NetBSD/FreeBSDa  PC's running Novell Netware 4.11$ PC's running DOS IP stacks (various), Vaxstation 4000-90 running NetBSD or VMS/UCX2 A Vax 6000-430 running VMS 6.2/UCX 4.x or MultinetG Various Macintoshes from a Classic II to LC630 running various versionseG of System 7.x, with either MacTCP or OpenTransport, either via ethernetuG card, or by localtalk through a Webster Localtalk/Ethernet gateway box./  E Probably anything else you can think of taht speaks TCP/IP.  It works  fairly well actually.wF The Linux Router Project also handles NAT equally well, and can be set
 up to providesF DHCP.  It's arguably more stable than Windoze.  May be slightly faster than the ICS in windoze too.   YMMV of course.i   Cheers  
 Geoff Robertsl Computer Systems Manager Saint Mark's College Port Pirie,e South Australia 6 geoffrob at stmarks dot pp dot catholic dot edu dot au ICQ: 1970476   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:43:41 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>; Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection SharingrI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009181735500.2632-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>a  & On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Ryan Moore wrote:  - +On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, David J. P. Long wrote:nH +> Has anyone successfully used a VMS machine to connect to the Internet" +> through a Win98 ICS connection? +pI +I haven't tried it, but in theory I think it should work.  At least withR +outgoing TCP connections.  A  For some reason have tried it today on Windows 95 OSR 2 with theoA Microsoft backport update of network module (MSDUN) and it works.lB  Works also with typical dial-in (or dial-back) setup (means: with little .SCP script).   [...]nF +There will be one point that's different than Windows box.  Normally,K +the way this works, the "server" that's directly connected to the InternetEG +configures the "clients" on the local LAN via DHCP.  I don't think any H +current VMS stack includes a DHCP client, so you will have to configure +the VMS box manually.  ?  The original question looks like the VMS is on local LAN, then > that is not a problem - also Windows can be hardcoded with the IP address -:)    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================d   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:54:27 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>; Subject: Re: VMS and Win 98SE's Internet Connection SharingTI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009181743520.2632-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>/  % On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Dirk Munk wrote:i  F +No, you can't use Win98 ICS. ICS requires that you do a Windows logonC +from the client before you can use ICS. So ICS is a pure gatesware ( +product, only to be used by billyboxes.  :  Hm... I'am will suggest to check, what mean a checkbox inD the "connection configuration" (*NOT* in the global IP configuration? box !) marked "login to network" (enabled by default, yes :]!). A  But yes, you may flame me if I am wrong: have today check Win95Br with the backport patch !-    Regards - Gotfryd   -- SE =====================================================================-F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEs. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:08:09 +0100 0 From: Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com>! Subject: VMS Session Using Exceed , Message-ID: <39C613B8.AE7344F1@jpmorgan.com>  H Hi, I can connect to my VMS host using Reflections but I would prefer to use Exceed if possible.rA Has anyone done this ? Specifically I'm interested in the connecty command.   Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:25:03 +0100 (GDT)n) From: Andy Harper <Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk>a% Subject: Re: VMS Session Using Exceeds1 Message-ID: <SIMEON.10009181503.B@odin.kcl.ac.uk>,  1 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:08:09 +0100 Robert Taylor M# <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> wrote:g  J > Hi, I can connect to my VMS host using Reflections but I would prefer to > use Exceed if possible.lC > Has anyone done this ? Specifically I'm interested in the connectn
 > command. >   9   There was some traffic about this recently on info-vax.   D   Exceed is best used with the XDMCP facility but not all VMS tcp/ipD   stacks support an XDMCP server.  If you have one, configure exceedA   to use it.  If not, you'll have to configure it to start up the B   appropriate windows session manager using 'rexec'. You can rexec1   whatever command line is needed to start it up.E  F   If you need the exceed with XDMCP details, I've attached them below.  C   Sorry, dont have the other non-XDMCP details immediately to hand.m  C   [NOTE: it might be useful if these were added to the VMS FAQ ???]e   Regards,   Andy Harperr   ---------------------- Andy Harper    Systems and Mail Manager Kings College London    B ------------------------------------------------------------------   EXCEED WITH VMS   
 Requirements:t    VMS:l<        TCP stack supporting XDMCP server (multinet, process)$        XDMCP server must be running.      PC 
        Exceed.  
 Procedure:    Start Exceed's Xconfigo$    Select the 'Communication' option*    Change the 'mode' item to 'XDMCP-Query'    Press 'Configure'6    Change 'Connect Host' no name/address of VMS system    OK everything  C When you next start the exceed X-server, you will connect straight e: into the VMS system with the normal Xwindows login screen.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:01:28 +0000y- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>g% Subject: Re: VMS Session Using Exceed.. Message-ID: <39C63C58.7FF92124@fsi.net.mapson>   Robert Taylor wrote: > J > Hi, I can connect to my VMS host using Reflections but I would prefer to > use Exceed if possible. C > Has anyone done this ? Specifically I'm interested in the connecte
 > command.  A Well, one way might be to log in to OpenVMS using your Reflection59 (singular, not plural) terminal program, then do like so:o  1 $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE=x.x.x.x ! $ SPAWN/NOWAIT RUN x_program_name   A I suppose RUN/DETACH might work, also, if you have the associatedc
 privilege(s).r   David J. Dachtera.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:31:44 -0500 (CDT)r From: rmegee@tqtx.come% Subject: Re: VMS Session Using Exceedl2 Message-ID: <200009181731.MAA00788@exwin.tqtx.com>   Robert Taylor wrote: > J > Hi, I can connect to my VMS host using Reflections but I would prefer to > use Exceed if possible.eC > Has anyone done this ? Specifically I'm interested in the connecta
 > command. > D we use exceed in this manner.  an xstart is set up to run a command  as follows:e  *   @@sys$manager:session.com @a/trans=tcpip  J on the vms system I have a com file in the sys$manager directory with the 
 following:     $ set display/create/node='p1T   $ create/termh    D This will take the ip address from the pc and send back a decterm.         -- oO =============================================================================== B               We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities.B                                              -- Walt Kelly, "Pogo"O ===============================================================================o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:47:52 -0400i% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>a% Subject: Re: VMS Session Using Exceed $ Message-ID: <39c654df$1@news.si.com>  . >  Exceed is best used with the XDMCP facility  E Nonsense.  We don't have any XDMCP here and eXceed works wonderfully.   ! >  you have one, configure exceedeB >  to use it.  If not, you'll have to configure it to start up the5 >  appropriate windows session manager using 'rexec'.   L What are you talking about?  You don't have to start up and "windows sessionL manager" at all!  Windows _is_ the session manager (when running in multipleK window mode).  X applications pop up windows that look and behave just likehE most other Windows applications (allowing for the differences betweene Windows and Motif).t --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:44:24 -0400g% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>e% Subject: Re: VMS Session Using Exceedd$ Message-ID: <39c6540f$1@news.si.com>  I >Hi, I can connect to my VMS host using Reflections but I would prefer ton >use Exceed if possible.B >Has anyone done this ? Specifically I'm interested in the connect	 >command.t  K You really don't even need a command; eXceed will create one for you.  OpenaJ Xstart, fill in the host name, username, etc., then click the "..." to theJ right of  the "Host Type" dropdown.  Click the "+" by "DEC VMS" and chooseH "Terminal".  Fill out any remaining information in the Xstart window youK want.  Test by clicking the "Run!" menu item.  FInally, save your .XS file.y --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comrA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comd= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:04:54 +0100 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>> Subject: RE: Where are SYS$SYSTOP, SYS$SYSROOT, etc., defined?L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EE6@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  G >Just curious. I'd like to know what part of the boot process (and whatgE >program(s)) all the "core" SYS$* system logical names are defined in2 >(by).  5 >In particular, I'm asking about the following LNM's:n  @ >SYS$DISK, SYS$SYSTOP, SYS$SYSDEVICE, SYS$SPECIFIC, SYS$SYSROOT,$ >SYS$COMMON, SYS$SYSTEM, SYS$MANAGER  L Look in the command procedures ( .COM files ) under SYS$SYSROOT:[000000] and (almost) all will be revealed.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)o   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 10:20:07 GMTa= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) > Subject: RE: Where are SYS$SYSTOP, SYS$SYSROOT, etc., defined?0 Message-ID: <009F04C0.F3FFFE05@SendSpamHere.ORG>   In article <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EE6@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>, John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> writes: H >>Just curious. I'd like to know what part of the boot process (and whatF >>program(s)) all the "core" SYS$* system logical names are defined in >>(by).  >n6 >>In particular, I'm asking about the following LNM's: >lA >>SYS$DISK, SYS$SYSTOP, SYS$SYSDEVICE, SYS$SPECIFIC, SYS$SYSROOT,e% >>SYS$COMMON, SYS$SYSTEM, SYS$MANAGERo >iM >Look in the command procedures ( .COM files ) under SYS$SYSROOT:[000000] ands >(almost) all will be revealed.o >  >Johnh > C >Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uklI >Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKoB >Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)  0 SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]VMS$INITIAL-050_VMS.COM;  J !  Copyright (c) 1998 Digital Equipment Corporation.  All rights reserved.	 $set noon  $sysgen:=$sysgen4 $root = f$getdvi("SYS$SYSDEVICE","fulldevnam") - "_"7 $if f$trnlnm("SYS$TOPSYS","LNM$SYSTEM") .nes. "" then -t> root = root + "[" + f$trnlnm("SYS$TOPSYS","LNM$SYSTEM") + ".]"  F This already assumes that the logicals have been established.  Like myG post said, most of the above cited logical names are created before thenE STARTUP process is created and before any DCL whatsoever is executed.n   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:01:19 GMTa From: "Tom" <tomw9990@home.com>y Subject: Re: Wiringb; Message-ID: <junx5.16823$j6.3602087@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>   G the setup you describe is what I have.  On the end you left with ??? isoF another MMJ.  The custom cable on the terminal/printer end is straightI through (ie.. 1-6 = 1-6).  The custom cable on the server end is reversedh. (ie 1-6 = 6-1).  Thanks for the quick response    J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009F0464.51010DB3@SendSpamHere.ORG...C > In article <Klbx5.16086$j6.3503311@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>, "Tom"> <tomw9990@home.com> writes:.J > >Help!!!  We have rewired out building in preps for future upgrades to a pcK > >network.  The basic idea is that we used Cat 5 UTP from a patch panel todL > >RJ45 jacks.  We wanted to run our VAX 3100 over this for now using customJ > >jumpers (RJ 45 to -Dec).  On the terminal end the jumper would be wiredF > >straight through  and on the patch panel to server jumpers we would reverse"J > >the wires in the dec plug end to get the x-over.  It does not appear to beJ > >working.  Any information onb this subject will be greatly appreciated. > >-	 > >thanks 
 > >Tom Watsonn > >QCS > >p > >  >iK > Would you mind telling us how your RJ45 to MMJ cables look?  I'd suspect,e asJ > it's the easiest, that pin 1-6 on the MMJ interface with the pins 2-7 in the.L > RJ45.  Are you certain that ALL 8 conductors are present in the building'sL > wiring and are properly connected at the wall jack and the patch panel?  IK > did such a setup recently.  Two CAT-5 350MHz runs to each desk/office andt IeI > made up custom MMJ cables to allow printer or terminal connections over. thet > CAT-5.7 >                   |                                 |hH > MMJ(p)<--->RJ45(p)|RJ45(j)===================RJ45(j)|RJ45(p)<---->????7 >                   |                                 |e9 >                  wall                             patche9 >                                                   panele >n > What is ???? > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > K > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after  them.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:27:12 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)M Subject: Re: Wirings0 Message-ID: <009F04E3.78CB7F96@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <junx5.16823$j6.3602087@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>, "Tom" <tomw9990@home.com> writes:BH >the setup you describe is what I have.  On the end you left with ??? isG >another MMJ.  The custom cable on the terminal/printer end is straight J >through (ie.. 1-6 = 1-6).  The custom cable on the server end is reversed/ >(ie 1-6 = 6-1).  Thanks for the quick responsem  I I have had a problem with 6 conductor cables in the past where the colorseJ at one end of the cable were in the order: blue, yellow, green, red, blackI and white and the other end they were out of order.  Somewhere inside the8I lenght of cable, the conductors were twisted.  I ALWAYS, because of this, I check to make sure the colors at each end are in the proper sequence.  If H that is the case, you need to redo you cables.  If it is not the case, IH would suggest that you check continuity on each of the cables.  I have aI small test block I created with a 3 ganged DPDT slide switch which helps 6E to find bad connections.  Schematic: http://www.tmesis.com/switch.gif I It can help to isolate individual bad connections.  Plug it in on one endP% and test with the VOM at the other.  k   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMv            .O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:12:22 +0100e' From: benchabane <benchabane@wissal.dz>o Subject: Re: Wiringe6 Message-ID: <200009181512.e8IFCM924408@mail.wissal.dz>  ! At 22:12 17/09/00 GMT, you wrote:gK >Help!!!  We have rewired out building in preps for future upgrades to a pcnI >network.  The basic idea is that we used Cat 5 UTP from a patch panel to J >RJ45 jacks.  We wanted to run our VAX 3100 over this for now using customH >jumpers (RJ 45 to -Dec).  On the terminal end the jumper would be wiredL >straight through  and on the patch panel to server jumpers we would reverseK >the wires in the dec plug end to get the x-over.  It does not appear to be H >working.  Any information onb this subject will be greatly appreciated. >- >thanks- >Tom Watson- >QCS >e  < What do you use at each end ??  patch panel and RJ 45 jack .   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:29:21 GMTe From: "Tom" <tomw9990@home.com>- Subject: Re: Wiring0; Message-ID: <lxqx5.17107$j6.3611441@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>p  F I have RJ 45 jacks on one end and a patch panel with RJ45 jacks on theH other.  I then go from RJ45 to MMJ on each end using 6 wire flat cables.  4 "benchabane" <benchabane@wissal.dz> wrote in message0 news:200009181512.e8IFCM924408@mail.wissal.dz...# > At 22:12 17/09/00 GMT, you wrote:.J > >Help!!!  We have rewired out building in preps for future upgrades to a pcK > >network.  The basic idea is that we used Cat 5 UTP from a patch panel totL > >RJ45 jacks.  We wanted to run our VAX 3100 over this for now using customJ > >jumpers (RJ 45 to -Dec).  On the terminal end the jumper would be wiredF > >straight through  and on the patch panel to server jumpers we would reversenJ > >the wires in the dec plug end to get the x-over.  It does not appear to beJ > >working.  Any information onb this subject will be greatly appreciated. > >a	 > >thankse
 > >Tom Watsoni > >QCS > >  > > > What do you use at each end ??  patch panel and RJ 45 jack . >n >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:42:08 -0500=* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: Re: WiringN- Message-ID: <0033000004678304000002L042*@MHS>F  D =0AIn article <junx5.16823$j6.3602087@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>, "Tom"H <tomw9990@home.com> writes: >the setup you describe is what I have.  On=  the end you left with ??? isH >another MMJ.  The custom cable on the terminal/printer end is straight=  H >through (ie.. 1-6 =3D 1-6).  The custom cable on the server end is rev= ersedS1 >(ie 1-6 =3D 6-1).  Thanks for the quick response.  H I have had a problem with 6 conductor cables in the past where the colo= rsH at one end of the cable were in the order: blue, yellow, green, red, bl= ackWH and white and the other end they were out of order.  Somewhere inside t= heH lenght of cable, the conductors were twisted.  I ALWAYS, because of thi= s,H check to make sure the colors at each end are in the proper sequence.  = IfH that is the case, you need to redo you cables.  If it is not the case, = I H would suggest that you check continuity on each of the cables.  I have = arH small test block I created with a 3 ganged DPDT slide switch which help= s=E to find bad connections.  Schematic: http://www.tmesis.com/switch.gifGH It can help to isolate individual bad connections.  Plug it in on one e= nd# and test with the VOM at the other.l   --H VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS= (dot)COM  H city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named aft= er them.  ) The old DEC solution would be as follows:S  5                   |                                 |mH MMJ(p)<--->RJ45(p)|RJ45(j)=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=$ =3D=3D=3D=3DRJ45(j)|RJ45(p)<---->MMJ5                   |                                 | 7                  wall                             patch-7                                                   panel0?     BN24H                                                 BN24JR  ( The BN24Hs come in 3 and 4 meter lengths, the BN24Js come in 1, 3 and 7 meter lengths.  ; Followeth the magic pinoutage if you want to roll your own:m2 (you can still buy 'em from the Q, however, we do)   BN24Hg -------------- MMJ       RJ45    1---------8  2---------2  3---------1  4---------3  5---------6  6---------7  7 (Open DECconnect Applications Guide, Feb. 1993, p 4-44)a   BN24J  -------------- MMJ       RJ45    1---------7  2---------6  3---------3  4---------1  5---------2  6---------8  7 (Open DECconnect Applications Guide, Feb. 1993, p 4-56).   WWWebb             =c   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:43:40 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>  Subject: Re: Wiring ( Message-ID: <39C63820.C2BE300E@ohio.edu>  L If I understand it correctly, RJ-45 patch cords are likely to conform to the5 Cat-5 standard wiring, which pairs things as follows:e  /     - the central two with each other (4 and 5)a;     - the next outer on each side with each other (3 and 6) 2     - the two on one end with each other (1 and 2)8     - the two on the other end with each other (7 and 8)  K I have experimentally confirmed   :-(   that at least sometimes a logicallypM consistent wiring that ignores the pairing will fail to work with 10 Mbit/sec D ethernet.  I suspect that 100 Mbit/sec would be even less forgiving.  #                                 RDPC    
 Tom wrote:  H > I have RJ 45 jacks on one end and a patch panel with RJ45 jacks on theJ > other.  I then go from RJ45 to MMJ on each end using 6 wire flat cables. >s6 > "benchabane" <benchabane@wissal.dz> wrote in message2 > news:200009181512.e8IFCM924408@mail.wissal.dz...% > > At 22:12 17/09/00 GMT, you wrote:eL > > >Help!!!  We have rewired out building in preps for future upgrades to a > pcM > > >network.  The basic idea is that we used Cat 5 UTP from a patch panel tooN > > >RJ45 jacks.  We wanted to run our VAX 3100 over this for now using customL > > >jumpers (RJ 45 to -Dec).  On the terminal end the jumper would be wiredH > > >straight through  and on the patch panel to server jumpers we would	 > reversenL > > >the wires in the dec plug end to get the x-over.  It does not appear to > beL > > >working.  Any information onb this subject will be greatly appreciated. > > >x > > >thanks  > > >Tom Watson/ > > >QCS > > >, > >,@ > > What do you use at each end ??  patch panel and RJ 45 jack . > >- > >-   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 16:47:58 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Wiring 6 Message-ID: <8q5gvu$bgc$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <Klbx5.16086$j6.3503311@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>, "Tom" <tomw9990@home.com> writes: ? :The basic idea is that we used Cat 5 UTP from a patch panel topJ :RJ45 jacks.  We wanted to run our VAX 3100 over this for now using custom? :jumpers (RJ 45 to -Dec)...  It does not appear to be Working. =  L   Wiring is not particularly malicious, but you will quite commonly need to I   probe new wiring for the usual sorts of problems -- incorrect pinouts,  F   poor connections, bad connectors, missing or broken wires, over-longL   wiring runs, etc.  (EIA232/RS232 serial line runs have some very definite I   run length limits particularly at higher (eg: 9600) speeds, though the  I   RS423/DEC423 scheme used with MMJ does tend to do a bit better in this 5   particular regard.)   F   I'd ensure that the RJ45 to MMJ adapter widgets are wired correctly.  J   Having access to a serial line breakout box is invaluable -- this deviceI   is a test set that lets you see the voltages present (or absent) within G   the wiring.   A partner and a pair of two-way radios can really help.i  L   Oh: I'd probably put the cross-over in the connector at system (which-everK   of the various systems that could be called "VAX 3100" this is).  Not at pL   the patch panel.  Why?  It's rather easier to erroneously swap around the N   patch wires at the patch panel (and there is no apparently obvious physical N   means to prevent this), and rather less likely for these same folks to swap K   around the connectors located at the system(s).  This cross-over location H   would make it more difficult to screw up the wiring, in other words...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Sep 2000 15:58:13 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)( Subject: Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer, Message-ID: <8q5e2l$7is@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  Z In article <3f6L3w9lpYf5@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:b >In article <8po5ib$gph@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: >o> >>   The GUI debugger, on the other hand, could definitely use >> some work related to this.k >eG >   Which GUI debugger are you using?  Where did you get it?  What doest >   it run on? >i  , I was referring to the DECwindows debugger.    David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edua? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech m   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.523 ************************