1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 19 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 525       Contents:# Re: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 2000 # RE: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 2000 # Re: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 2000 # RE: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 2000 # Re: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 2000  Compaq advertising!  Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo RE: Compaq VMS promo! Excursion and NEW Desktop VMS 7.1 % Re: Excursion and NEW Desktop VMS 7.1 % Re: Excursion and NEW Desktop VMS 7.1 % RE: Excursion and NEW Desktop VMS 7.1 " Re: GCC for Alpha with Objective-C RE: Halon dump - a data point , help : connection reset by peer (What is it)0 Re: help : connection reset by peer (What is it) Re: I18N kit location E Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate? E Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate? E Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate?  LSE Startup File Re: LSE Startup File RE: LSE Startup File Re: LSE Startup File Re: LSE Startup File Middleware for RMS RE: Middleware for RMS Re: Middleware for RMS% Re: No more SYSDUMP.DMP? No more NTP? % Re: No more SYSDUMP.DMP? No more NTP?  Re: OpenVMS  PERL/UNZIP Problem Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem Re: Removal of UCX interface  Serial line programming question$ Re: Serial line programming question$ Re: Serial line programming question$ Re: Serial line programming question! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist  Telnet configuration Re: Telnet configuration Re: Telnet configuration Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris  Using DEC CMM and CVS  VAX 11/780 SYSTEM password Re: VAX 11/780 SYSTEM password Re: VAX 11/780 SYSTEM password Re: VAX 11/780 SYSTEM password what path does clustering use?? # Re: what path does clustering use?? # Re: what path does clustering use?? # Re: what path does clustering use?? # Re: what path does clustering use?? # Re: what path does clustering use?? 
 Re: Wiring Wrapping lines in PRINT command # RE: Wrapping lines in PRINT command  Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer  Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 11:12:31 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> , Subject: Re: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 2000H Message-ID: <y4ya0oiw3k.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  K Well, it seems like a valuable informational message to me, quite proper to 8 put in an event log. Why would you rather _not_ have it?   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:36:19 -0400 - From: "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> , Subject: RE: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 2000B Message-ID: <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DEA14@petra.WPI.EDU>  I I haven't worked with Windows 2000 yet, so this all applies to Windows NT E 4.0.  Advanced server can only be run as a (primary or backup) domain H controller.  The ability to set it up as a member server was lost in theL Pathworks 5->6 upgrade.  There are a few updates to Advanced Server 7.2A outL there that you should be able to get by contacting the Compaq service group.L I had to work with them about a year ago to resolve a fairly serious problem@ with account lockouts not getting reset.  The fix was an updated PWRK$LMSRV.EXE.      $ pwversion   J           Image Name            Image Version      Link date        Linker IDA ------------------------------ ---------------- ----------------- 
 -------------  <snip>I PWRK$LICENSE_REGISTRAR         V7.2-100A         2-JUN-1999 19:08  A11-14 I PWRK$LMSRV                     V7.2-100A-71262  18-NOV-1999 12:38  A11-20 I PWRK$LMMCP                     V7.2-100A         3-JUN-1999 01:39  A11-20  <snip>  G I now have a normal partial syncronization going on only when there are J changes to accounts and passwords rather than the continual stream of full2 syncronizations of all accounts that I had before.  C "The partial synchronization request from the server JAKE completed C successfully. 1 changes(s) has(have) been returned to the caller. "    Hope this helps.   David      > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Jack Peacock [mailto:peacock@simconv.com] * > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 4:38 PM > To: Info-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COM . > Subject: Re: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 2000 >  > @ > "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in message news:...> >  Apologies if this shows up twice or more, the regular news  > server seems, > to be highly unreliable the last few days. > @ > Will Pathworks Advanced Server V7.2 operate as a backup domain> > controller in a network where the primary domain controller  > is a WindowsG > 2000 Server?  I have a test setup which seems to work except that the ? > Win2K server logs some type of synch error every few minutes.  > E > Environment is:  Alpha 2100, 128MB, OpenVMS 7.2, AS 7.2A on the VMS / > side, configured as backup domain  controller  > ? >  AMD K7, 256MB, Win2K  Server SP1 on the NT side, configured   > as primary > domain controller. > = > In the Win2K server event log: << The full synchronization   > request fromE > the server VMS completed successfully. 127 object(s) has(have) been H > returned to the caller.  >>  I get this message twice every 5 minutes.? > "VMS" is the Pathworks server.  Is this a known problem with  
 > AS 7.2, and ? > is there an ECO for it?  It's more a nuisance than a serious  
 > error but I H > will have to explain to the customer why it will appear on their error4 > logs when they switch from NT4 to Win2K next week. > H >  Is there no way to set up AS 7.2 as a standalone server?  I know thatG > moving Pathworks into a separate domain solves the Win2K sync message ) > problem, but its not an ideal solution.  >      Jack Peacock  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:49:33 GMT * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>, Subject: Re: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 2000D Message-ID: <12Lx5.10323$ks.360025@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  C "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  wrote in messageB news:y4ya0oiw3k.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...C > Well, it seems like a valuable informational message to me, quite 	 proper to : > put in an event log. Why would you rather _not_ have it? > A The problem is the log is full of this message.  It should not be F generated every 5 minutes, especially if no one is logged in for hours
 at a time.    Jack Peacock    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 16:56:57 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: RE: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 2000* Message-ID: <39c77eb9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  r In article <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DEA14@petra.WPI.EDU>, "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> writes:J >I haven't worked with Windows 2000 yet, so this all applies to Windows NTF >4.0.  Advanced server can only be run as a (primary or backup) domainI >controller.  The ability to set it up as a member server was lost in the M >Pathworks 5->6 upgrade.  There are a few updates to Advanced Server 7.2A out M >there that you should be able to get by contacting the Compaq service group.   9 There are at least: PWRK V6.0C ECO1 and ASOVMS V7.2A ECO3    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 19 SEP 2000 14:17:07 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher), Subject: Re: Adv Server 7.2 and Windows 20006 Message-ID: <19SEP00.14170758@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  B In a previous article, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote: ->  @ ->Will Pathworks Advanced Server V7.2 operate as a backup domainJ ->controller in a network where the primary domain controller is a WindowsG ->2000 Server?  I have a test setup which seems to work except that the ? ->Win2K server logs some type of synch error every few minutes.   F I thought W2K (with active directory) dissolved the concept of primaryA and backup domain controllers. There are only domain controllers. E There's a setting where an NT 4 PDC can be "emulated" but that's only  for migration.  H -> Is there no way to set up AS 7.2 as a standalone server?  I know thatG ->moving Pathworks into a separate domain solves the Win2K sync message ) ->problem, but its not an ideal solution.   B As I recall from the Pathworks "road map" AS will never be able toC participate in a W2K active directory domain but it will be able to B function as a "member server" in a resource domain. There are goodD reasons for setting up a resource domain solely for file services. IF think the "member server" capability will be there in the next release of AS.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:47:37 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>  Subject: Compaq advertising!F Message-ID: <JfJx5.5303$Cq6.416532@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  - Mainframe envy?   Sounds more like BILLY Envy   L http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20000913/tc/a_case_of_mainframe_envy__1.html  & Maybe they forgot which OSes they own.   snip:   :     "System vendors, such as Unisys, Compaq Computer Corp.9      (NYSE:CPQ - news) and HP, are expected to be on hand 9      to support Microsoft's claims of high-end dominance. 	 end snip:   : I suppose it depends on how you define "dominance".  MS is certainly more ubiquitous.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:27:31 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo ( Message-ID: <8q7lls$csv$1@news.IAEhv.nl>   Dave,   D that is the $64000 question. If I had an answer for it, I'd be rich.G The biggest "challenge" for any marketing organisation is to restart  a H product that had been withdrawn in the past. Customers won't forget thatA they've been left out in the cold and that gets around fast, too.   L Agreed SAP is not the only big application vendor, but how many ERP productsI in that class do run on VMS. The only one I knew was JD Edwards. Not sure $ whether they're still on VMS or not.D Database vendors are another important segment. How many run on VMS?K Adabas/Natural and Oracle/Rdb and it seems to mee that the latter is trying  to get rid of VMS.   2 Isn't that the situation called "a legacy system"?  
 Hans Vlems > J >So, if you were in charge now, how would you get these reluctant software >vendors to consider VMS?  >  >Dave  >  >-- 5 >David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450 5 >Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596 ? >DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 7 >T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:07:07 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)  Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo 2 Message-ID: <39c77a18.1124658914@news.newsguy.com>  @ On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:27:31 +0200, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote:   >Dave, > E >that is the $64000 question. If I had an answer for it, I'd be rich. H >The biggest "challenge" for any marketing organisation is to restart  aI >product that had been withdrawn in the past. Customers won't forget that B >they've been left out in the cold and that gets around fast, too. > M >Agreed SAP is not the only big application vendor, but how many ERP products J >in that class do run on VMS. The only one I knew was JD Edwards. Not sure% >whether they're still on VMS or not.   	 CA MANMAN U http://www.interbiz.ca.com/Solutions/supply_chain/Manufacturing/MANMAN/MANMAN_DEC.htm E for one. Getting on a bit yes but CA have started selling it into new E sites again and are developing and integrating it with all the latest A CA tools. CA have actually informed MANMAN customers that they no D longer consider VMS as a legacy platform based on Compaq's own about< turn.  In fact at the last UK MANMAN user group meeting theyD *apologised* for trying to move customers to CA's MK ERP software on other platforms in the past.  E >Database vendors are another important segment. How many run on VMS? L >Adabas/Natural and Oracle/Rdb and it seems to mee that the latter is trying >to  >get rid of VMS.  F Oracle is most certainly not droping RDB on VMS. They've dropped it on NT and Tru-64 but *NOT* VMS.  " CA Ingres isn't going away either.   > 3 >Isn't that the situation called "a legacy system"?   E Yes there have been some product losses but there have also been some > recent gains. It takes some time to turn a supertanker around.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:48:39 -0400 ) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>  Subject: RE: Compaq VMS promo B Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61F7@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: A.Greig@virgin.net [mailto:A.Greig@virgin.net]F >>Database vendors are another important segment. How many run on VMS?F >>Adabas/Natural and Oracle/Rdb and it seems to mee that the latter is trying >>to >>get rid of VMS.   G >Oracle is most certainly not droping RDB on VMS. They've dropped it on  >NT and Tru-64 but *NOT* VMS.     H Dropping it, no.  Pricing it (and Oracle Oracle) out of the market, yes.< See the current issue of Computerworld.  For your amusement:  H Alphaserver           System list price (VMS)          Oracle Enterprise costC DS10/DS10L                    $7k                              $70k C DS20e (2cpu)                 $40k                             $200k ! ES40 (4cpu)                 $100k  $400k C GS320 (32cpu)              $2000k                            $3500k   " And you thought VMS was expensive?       Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:20:53 -0400 . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>* Subject: Excursion and NEW Desktop VMS 7.1, Message-ID: <8q7lnv$ftq$1@cougar.golden.net>  F How do initiate from a excursion session (when it starts)  the new VMS3 desktop as it appears on the console when it starts    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:35:25 GMT , From: "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>. Subject: Re: Excursion and NEW Desktop VMS 7.16 Message-ID: <NQKx5.28857$M%3.153065@quark.idirect.com>  9 "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> wrote in message & news:8q7lnv$ftq$1@cougar.golden.net...H > How do initiate from a excursion session (when it starts)  the new VMS5 > desktop as it appears on the console when it starts   I In the Application tab of the Excursion Control Panel, add an application  with the command:     . sys$sysroot:[cde$defaults.system.bin]dtsession  # This will give you the new desktop.    Scott  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:17:09 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) . Subject: Re: Excursion and NEW Desktop VMS 7.12 Message-ID: <39c782e3.1126910071@news.newsguy.com>  6 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:20:53 -0400, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> wrote:  G >How do initiate from a excursion session (when it starts)  the new VMS 4 >desktop as it appears on the console when it starts >   ; From a host with X output set to your IP address just $ RUN " CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[BIN]DTSESSION  C Kick this off with RSHELL if you need to do it automatically (don't  forget the SET DISPLAY/CREATE    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:29:39 +0200 ? From: "DECHAIZE Thierry (Dir INFRA)" <thierry.dechaize@sncf.fr> . Subject: RE: Excursion and NEW Desktop VMS 7.1@ Message-ID: <21EC2A9D83EED311A3EB0008C733892B1CEA32@S70ERTBIA11>   	Hi,   	I try this, don't work.=20  	My configuration is :  : 		WNT 4.0 SP4 with PW32 7.2 with DECNET Phase IV and TCPIP configured OK=20< 		OpenVMS 7.1-1H1 + many patches, TCPIP 5.0A + many patches, MOTIF 1.2-4 + ECO5=20   1 	And lot applications configured with Excursion :  	=09 		DECTERM on OpenVMS; 		dtterm on SOLARIS (directly) with fonts of EXCEED producte! (for compatibility CDE/MOTIF SUN) 9 		XDMCP for all UNIX (YES I'm very interested by XDMCP ond OpenVMS - I'm wait TCPIP 5.1)7	 		and ...o 	=20 	Where is the bug ???a  
 	Sincerly. -----Message d'origine-----n/ De: J. Scott Greig [mailto:jsgreig@geminaq.com]p# Date: mardi 19 septembre 2000 16:35q =C0: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, Objet: Re: Excursion and NEW Desktop VMS 7.1      9 "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> wrote in messageo& news:8q7lnv$ftq$1@cougar.golden.net...F > How do initiate from a excursion session (when it starts)  the new = VMSe5 > desktop as it appears on the console when it startsp  ? In the Application tab of the Excursion Control Panel, add an =h applicationm with the command:e    . sys$sysroot:[cde$defaults.system.bin]dtsession  # This will give you the new desktop.T   Scottt >s >h >e >  >x   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:02:10 -0400E" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>+ Subject: Re: GCC for Alpha with Objective-CS; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20000919090051.01c97c70@24.8.96.48>   , At 09:38 PM 9/18/00 -0800, Pat Rankin wrote:= >In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000918134441.02743af0@24.8.96.48>,\U) >  Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes...ED > > At 04:29 PM 9/18/00 +0000, Bru@cpmx.mail.saic.com, Pierre wrote:H > >>is GCC 2.8 the last version for OpenVMS Alpha ? does it contains the$ > >>Objective-C part or only C/C++ ? >[...]K > > Try scaring up a hobbyist kit if you can and use Dec C instead. It's a   > muchL > > better compiler than gcc in general, and has the advantage of generating > > good code. >e? >      When did Compaq implement a compiler for the Objective-CSA >programming language?  DEC C/Compaq C is a very good C compiler, = >but it is totally useless for someone who wants Objective-C.r  H They haven't. I didn't assume the person was looking for an Objective C L compiler from that statement--I was figuring they were just inquiring as to L how complete the kit was. If they're looking for Objective C on VMS they do  need the GCC kit.    					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------b2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even2;                                       teddy bears get drunku   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:27:35 +0100y/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>o& Subject: RE: Halon dump - a data point7 Message-ID: <009F05AC.B1096B10.30@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>a   > < > >Moderately good news: Halon dumps aren't instantly fatal. > N > Neither is withdrawal of your oxygen supply! If you survived for more than aK > minute or two my guess is that your Halon system is more or less useless.eK > The purpose of the halon is to deprive a fire of Oxygen. That people were K > still able to operate in the room for some time indicates that there mustc> > have been sufficient Oxygen to keep them and any fire going. >   I No -- Halon doesn't normally work by depriving the fire of oxygen. You're-5 presumably thinking of CO2 or Nitrogen flood systems.   : It works because the decomposition of halon by the flames I is endothermic: it absorbs energy fron the flames, cooling and ultimatelyvB extinguishing them. As discussed in this thread, the decompositionJ products are highly toxic, so if there is an actual fire you want to leave< the vicinity immediately, even if the halon extinguished it.  J A ten percent concentration of halon will extinguish a fire, while leavingB a sufficient concentation of oxygen in the air for breathing.  The, undecomposed halon is pretty much non-toxic.   	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnot2- 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:14:47 GMTr From: thefantom@my-deja.comn5 Subject: help : connection reset by peer (What is it)y) Message-ID: <8q7eac$23t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>f   Help !,e   1)  F I'm running an RSH command from Windows NT 4.0 which runs a commamd onF the VAX(vms), The Command takes about 10 mins to run but after about 2E mins I get the error Recv failed: Connection reset by peer. What do Ia6 do to resolve this. (P.S the same happens with Rexec.)   2)  ? Does anyone know where I can get and REXEC.EXE which takes a -p.8 parameter (Password),runs on Windows NT and is for free.        & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:33:28 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>9 Subject: Re: help : connection reset by peer (What is it)o+ Message-ID: <VA.000000d4.04c40b73@sture.ch>n  1 In article <8q7eac$23t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  wrote:a > From: thefantom@my-deja.com  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmse7 > Subject: help : connection reset by peer (What is it) % > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:14:47 GMT  > 	 > Help !,  >  > 1) > H > I'm running an RSH command from Windows NT 4.0 which runs a commamd onH > the VAX(vms), The Command takes about 10 mins to run but after about 2G > mins I get the error Recv failed: Connection reset by peer. What do Ii8 > do to resolve this. (P.S the same happens with Rexec.) >.E Try doing a REPLY/ENABLE from a session on the VAX (using a suitably iH privileged account), and then watch out for broadcast messages relating % to RSH when you try to connect again.    > 2) > A > Does anyone know where I can get and REXEC.EXE which takes a -p : > parameter (Password),runs on Windows NT and is for free. >   
 Sorry, no. ___s
 Paul Sture Switzerland4   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:21:23 +0200n7 From: "Uri Klil-Hahoresh" <uri.klilhahoresh@compaq.com>e Subject: Re: I18N kit location6 Message-ID: <8q7t1g$l2p$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  6 I saw the kit on the VAX cd, the problem was on alpha:L I had V7.2-1 which have only one cd and it is not there. when I checked V7.2K I didn't have the 2nd cd, and that's why I didn't find it. Now I have found1 it.k   Thanks for your help.t Urit    ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messagei0 news:8q5fos$avu$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >aK > In article <8q2i0d$mo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Uri Klil-Hahoresh"e% <uri.klilhahoresh@compaq.com> writes:rJ > :I need to know where can I find the kit location of I18N: since VMS 7.2 itF > :is not on the vms CD nor on the layered product attched to it. does someonei > :knows where can I find it?l >e& >   OpenVMS VAX or OpenVMS Alpha V7.2? > 3 >   Which specific CD-ROM media have you looked at?0 >6I >   On the OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 operating system CD distribution (disk 2 ofS 2), F >   there exists a directory DISK$ALPHA072LP:[VMSI18N_ALPHA072], which contains5 >   the kit and the documentation for the I18N stuff.i >eK >   There are THREE disks in the OpenVMS Alpha distribution, and TWO in the K >   Open VAX distribution CD-ROM kits -- OpenVMS Alpha operating system andnL >   its core kits require two disks while OpenVMS VAX operating system needsK >   one.  The remaining disk in both CD kits is the same, and contains kitsa& >   that are common to both platforms. >aL >   The directory DISK$ALPHA072LP:[VMSI18N_ALPHA072] is on the second of the@ >   two CD disks specific to the OpenVMS Alpha operating system. >E, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------n1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringr hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:51:49 +0100E  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>N Subject: Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate?+ Message-ID: <VA.000000d3.0241a837@sture.ch>   M In article <KYyx5.6548$5m.23883@skycache.prestige.net>, Charles Gilley wrote:@ > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsr2 > From: gilley@nospam.bravewc.com (Charles Gilley)P > Subject: Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate?% > Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:04:42 GMTm > N > RTFH - read the fine.... handbook?  I did - maybe I just didn't connect the  > dots.   I I think that comment referred to your question about them being mutually ?/ exclusive or cooperative. They are cooperative.t  C >Regarding the /image qualifier and ignoring all of this.  Are you sI > saying that the header and max_files are picked up with a backup/image?y  M Yes, just do a backup/image from one disk to the other, and those attributes eM will be preserved. You can also do a backup/image to tape, then another back >C down to disk. So long as you use /image, that stuff gets preserved.t > I > RTFH - rtf help.  Okay, coming back up to speed....  and, yes, now I'm r' > starting to put it together.  Thanks.  >   O If you have access to DSN, there are (or at least were) some detailed articles KP on how all the initialization parameters work, which I found very helpful (some 
 time ago).   <rest snipped> ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandr   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 11:26:30 GMTF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)N Subject: Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate?* Message-ID: <8q7ih6$g3l@usenet.pa.dec.com>  ? As others have mentioned, BACKUP can make the new disk like thew	 old disk..  > If you really want to find out how many headers were allocated@ when a disk was initialized, try the following, which was passed" on to me by one of the developers:   ===.  - DUMP /HEADER/BLOCK=COUNT=0 [000000]INDEXF.SYS,  9 the fourth mapping pointer indicates the size of /HEADERSp) plus the size of the index header bitmap.s   ===l  ; One of the other developers suggests that since V6, the uses8 of /HEADERS and /MAXIMUM_FILES is really unneccessary as7 new algorithms have been put in place to initialize and16 extend the size of INDEXF.SYS as necessary: and if you6 over-allocate you waste space that can't be recovered.  5 Personally, I'm not sure that I'd worry about using aq< few thousand extra blocks for INDEXF.SYS on a multi-gigabyte5 disk, and I think it's still better to have this filet< allocated to a good size at the beginning: but the developer; who says that you don't have to do this anymore knows a lotg; about the file system so I pass on the comment.  Certainly,i> not having to worry about getting these values correct anymore5 makes things easier for the system manager and users.h     -- y(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have ac5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.e   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 18:13:04 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>4N Subject: Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate?H Message-ID: <y4u2bcmkbz.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  N AFAIK, MAXIMUM_FILES is still exactly that, because the bitmap internal to theM index file, accounting for the file headers, is allocated to handle this sizeR and it cannot be extended.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:14:15 +0100 0 From: Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> Subject: LSE Startup Filei, Message-ID: <39C72E67.35851537@jpmorgan.com>  H When I get into LSE I define my F7 key as "repeat 50 shift" , but I need! to do this each time I start LSE.h  ' As you can imagine its a bit of a pain.'  F Does anybody know if you can have an LSE startup file , similar to the$ .exrc file you have for Vi in Unix ?  F If there is then post any commands that you find useful to have in it.   Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:10:46 GMT// From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>a Subject: Re: LSE Startup File F Message-ID: <aJIx5.5253$Cq6.412944@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  E I don't use LSE, since I am not a programmer, but since VMS is such aAD well architected and consistent OS, my guess is that the LSE startup2 file (or initialization file) would be LSEINIT.INI  B I can't help you with the LSE commands, but as an exmaple, in someK other editor init files you would use a command like SET SCREEN WIDTH = 132t    = "Robert Taylor" <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> wrote in messagen& news:39C72E67.35851537@jpmorgan.com...J > When I get into LSE I define my F7 key as "repeat 50 shift" , but I need# > to do this each time I start LSE.c >a) > As you can imagine its a bit of a pain.d > H > Does anybody know if you can have an LSE startup file , similar to the& > .exrc file you have for Vi in Unix ? >aH > If there is then post any commands that you find useful to have in it. >e > Thanks in advance. >t >k   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:16:44 -0400-# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>  Subject: RE: LSE Startup File D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD813@berry.mvpsi.com>   Try:  
 $ HELP LSEDITD  L In particular, look at the /INITIALIZATION qualifier and maybe the /COMMAND,% /ENVIRONMENT and /SECTION qualifiers.r  A Between the four of these, you can make LSE do anything you want!r   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Robert Taylor [mailto:taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com] + > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 5:14 AMe > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComS > Subject: LSE Startup File  >  > @ > When I get into LSE I define my F7 key as "repeat 50 shift" ,  > but I need# > to do this each time I start LSE.u > ) > As you can imagine its a bit of a pain.h > H > Does anybody know if you can have an LSE startup file , similar to the& > .exrc file you have for Vi in Unix ? > H > If there is then post any commands that you find useful to have in it. >  > Thanks in advance. >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:28:37 +0100 0 From: Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> Subject: Re: LSE Startup File-, Message-ID: <39C78625.FFF23C94@jpmorgan.com>   Thanks to all. I'll try it out.r   Robert Taylor wrote:  J > When I get into LSE I define my F7 key as "repeat 50 shift" , but I need# > to do this each time I start LSE.i >t) > As you can imagine its a bit of a pain.  >eH > Does anybody know if you can have an LSE startup file , similar to the& > .exrc file you have for Vi in Unix ? > H > If there is then post any commands that you find useful to have in it. >: > Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:31:59 -0400r- From: John Reagan <reagan@hiyall.zko.dec.com>e Subject: Re: LSE Startup Filer2 Message-ID: <39C7409F.6AF720D6@hiyall.zko.dec.com>   Robert Taylor wrote: > J > When I get into LSE I define my F7 key as "repeat 50 shift" , but I need# > to do this each time I start LSE.o > ) > As you can imagine its a bit of a pain.  > H > Does anybody know if you can have an LSE startup file , similar to the& > .exrc file you have for Vi in Unix ? > H > If there is then post any commands that you find useful to have in it. >  > Thanks in advance.   $ HELP LSE /INIT LSEDIT     /INITIALIZATIONs      /INITIALIZATION=file-spec    /NOINITIALIZATION (D)  A    Specifies the name of a file containing a sequence of  DECLSE b commandsA    to  be  executed as part of DECLSE startup.  This file usuallyt contains5    occurrences of the DEFINE KEY and DEFINE commands.n  F    The  logical  name  LSE$INITIALIZATION  is  an   alternative   to   the G    /INITIALIZATION  qualifier.  If /INITIALIZATION or /NOINITIALIZATIONe isE    not  used,  DECLSE  will  attempt  to  translate   the   logical  n nameD    LSE$INITIALIZATION.   If the logical name has a translation, that value B    is used in the same way as the /INITIALIZATION qualifier value.   So either define a symbolD   LSE :== LSE/INIT=MYLSEINIT.INI  % or define a logical in your LOGIN.COMI  ' DEFINE LSE$INITIALIZATION MYLSEINIT.INI    -- John Reagan  Compaq Pascal Project Leader   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:22:43 +0200 6 From: "Chris Breemer" <chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com> Subject: Middleware for RMSi. Message-ID: <8q7srj$8ui@news.nl.compuware.com>   Hi all,S> Does there exist ODBC (or other middleware) to access RMS data< from a PC ? Can RMS be accessed by RDB (I know there is ODBC
 for RDB) ?   Thanks for any ideas.n      Chris Breemer   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:57:44 -0400e: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: RE: Middleware for RMS2K Message-ID: <D7E0F3C94377D311A24A00805F19D0EE52A73F@MBCALBEXC04.BENDER.COM>V  7 I believe EasySoft has a product that does RMS to ODBC.e   http://www.easysoft.com/  or  / http://www.easysoft.com/products/rms/main.phtmlr  < I do not know how good the product is.  If anyone is using, < I would be interested in hearing your experiences with it.     :) jck   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Chris Breemer [mailto:chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com]u, > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 10:23 AM > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  > Subject: Middleware for RMS- >  > 	 > Hi all,-@ > Does there exist ODBC (or other middleware) to access RMS data> > from a PC ? Can RMS be accessed by RDB (I know there is ODBC > for RDB) ? >  > Thanks for any ideas.@ >  >    Chris Breemer >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:44:05 -070091 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospam>E Subject: Re: Middleware for RMSB2 Message-ID: <8q88rj$a5e$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  ? Chris Breemer <chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com> wrote in messagee( news:8q7srj$8ui@news.nl.compuware.com...	 > Hi all, @ > Does there exist ODBC (or other middleware) to access RMS data> > from a PC ? Can RMS be accessed by RDB (I know there is ODBC > for RDB) ? >  > Thanks for any ideas.  >e >    Chris Breemer  3 Look at Connx from Solutions IQ in Bellevue, WA.  Ig* believe they have both an API and an ODBC.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 11:11:07 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> . Subject: Re: No more SYSDUMP.DMP? No more NTP?H Message-ID: <y41yygkaqc.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  K >   Starting with the VAX/VMS V5.0 release, a channel is held open and the -G >   system dumpfile thus cannot be deleted until after a system reboot.   J Of course, the solution was little more general, and also applied to thoseI other files opened early on, such as the page and the swap file. DeletingeH which, in the memory-starved days of yore, quite often lead to immediateJ devastating effects, while deleting the dump file could at least be cured B with a leasurely walk to the console, typing CTRL-P followed by B.  J It does show a large amount of institutional inertia, IMNSHO, that it tookL until V5 to cure this day-one misfeature in an OS that in general was and isL quite good at preventing even the system manager/admin from shooting himselfI accidentally into valuable body parts. Another part of this series is the K initial decision to "hot-fix" the problem of deleting a non-empty directoryeL by creating them without the D protection bit set (a behaviour that is stillL there today, uneeded and just getting in one's way when deleting a directoryK tree), instead of doing the right thing right away (instead of at least onedJ major release later) and having the file system code (then still living inJ F11BACP) check for this case and disallowing the delete independent of any1 protection settings. That's How Warts Happen (R).    	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 11:39:42 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER). Subject: Re: No more SYSDUMP.DMP? No more NTP?* Message-ID: <39c7345e$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Q In article <8q651p$qm$1@kadath.deep.it>, Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it> writes:A >L9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  18-SEP-2000 14:45:39.06  %%%%%%%%%%%h$ >Message from user INTERnet on RLYEH8 >INTERnet ACP detected TCPIP$NTP exiting before 'accept' >49 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  18-SEP-2000 14:45:39.26  %%%%%%%%%%%n$ >Message from user INTERnet on RLYEHG >INTERnet ACP AUXS error during process exit  Status = %CLI-E-NOCMDPROC  >RG >I may think I have misconfigured something, but then why if I relaunch 1 >TCPIP$NTP_STARTUP.COM by hand, it works fine? :?2  F I already saw the %CLI-E-NOCMDPROC error more than once and told here.D It happens in a cluster where you configured the service on one node= and enabled it for the whole cluster. All systems missing theaG SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$xxx] service home directory (or some files like thej! LOGIN.COM) will see this problem.y  B btw: I still see this TCPIP directory structure as badly designed.K eg. Why is the SNMP or the finger service home directory in SYS$SYSDEVICE ?iL Or why are there only SYS$SPECIFIC directories and no SYS$COMMON directoriesL (I don't see why eg an LPD server should offer different queues on differentH cluster nodes or why the [empty] service LOGIN.COM couldn't be common) ?K And I don't understand why TCPIP$CONFIG.COM doesn't create all SYS$SPECIFIC H directories on all cluster nodes (at least when a service is clusterwide	 enabled). " Does this all make sense for you ?  8 >> The normal recommendation is to use TCPIP 5.0A, but I& >> don't think this exists for VAX :-( >tC >I think it exists, but it is not avaliable to hobbyists! Still no,  >anyway.  H As there is no restriction in getting the kits from anywhere, a hobbyistF can also have and run TCPIP V5.0A (with patch 5). It only depends on aK kind soul lending a ConDist CD or sending a (zipped) kit per mail (requiresdM a big enough mailsize limit). It is only the _current_ OpenVMS hobbyist CDROMfK which still hasn't the V5.0A on. No problem for the next release of this CD-J (whenever this happens) but then you might already want to see V5.1 on it.   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:18:25 +0200." From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: OpenVMS( Message-ID: <8q7l4q$bsm$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  K What I was told was that SAP did not want to spend resources on the projectfJ because they did not have the manpower and besides, VMS was declared dead.H DEc spent a lot of money in setting themselves up as "SAP implementers".K My point was that this could better have been spent on making it a real VMSu product.L And yes, it is very difficult to win customers back once they've been kicked off a platform.hH I think that the new SAP customers could make a lot of money for Compaq.  H I'm not just blaming Bob Palmer, as you wrote: that's the past, over and
 done with.J But the actual point is that computer systems and o/s's no longer get soldJ on their own merit: they need application software. The choice is made for the applicationlF and the platform on which it runs is no longer considered an important choice.s  L VMS seems to fail to attract support from software vendors. If Compaq cannot change thatrC then it is doomed. I've seen the same happen with Burroughs and the  MCP/Large systems.J Great OS, very good implementation languages, but no major software vendor support.  I Before you think I belong in comp.sys.unix or so, I've been using VMS for  quite some timefH (forgot how long) and I *do* hope we'll see VMS survive for the next two decades. But I'm not very optimistic.  
 Hans Vlems  * David A Froble heeft geschreven in bericht$ <39C6E0EB.6D1F9076@tsoft-inc.com>... >Hans Vlems wrote: >>I >> Wrong. VMS was once the development platform for SAP and was supportedt" >> as a customer platform for VMS.L >> DEC/Compaq should never have taken no for an answer and instead of trying to= >> port WNT they should have ported SAP at their own expense.  >y. >That was then, and BP happened.  This is now. > J >Will you explain just how you do this when the owner of the software will not  >cooperate?  >n7 >Also explain how you will do this without source code?  >u >Two simple questions. >aG >Only one possible answer.  Spend more money than it's worth.  Not goodi	 business.h >  >Try blaming SAP.g >aH >Another case of search for the guilty, and prosecution of the innocent. >oI >DEC did commit many mistakes, but from the information I've gotten, this  isn'te
 >one of them.  >a >Dave/ >g >--t5 >David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450u5 >Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596f? >DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 7 >T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:55:58 GMTh) From: Mr. Poologic <poologic@my-deja.com>w Subject: PERL/UNZIP Problemm) Message-ID: <8q7k85$8j7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>l  9 I am trying to UNZIP the Perl pre-built .ZIP file.  I gete7 end of file and disk full messsages.   Does anyone haveD some ideas why I get those..  2 I have run UNZIP informationals on the file and it: looks fine.  The "disk full" messages could be due to disk4 fragmentation, but I doubt it.  I could compress the disk and try again.i   --- http://members.aol.com/tadamsmar/poologic.htmd- Java applet that calculates your best colleges hoops tourney pool sheet    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 09:03:43 -0400m" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: PERL/UNZIP Problemi; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20000919090241.01c96880@24.8.96.48>u  . At 11:55 AM 9/19/00 +0000, Mr. Poologic wrote:: >I am trying to UNZIP the Perl pre-built .ZIP file.  I get8 >end of file and disk full messsages.   Does anyone have >some ideas why I get those.  D Because your disk is full? That would seem to be the likely cause...  G You might want to make sure you've got the latest unzip as well. Older oN versions of unzip don't always like zip archives made by more recent versions.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and event;                                       teddy bears get drunkn   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:07:19 GMT ) From: Mr. Poologic <poologic@my-deja.com>s Subject: Re: PERL/UNZIP Problems) Message-ID: <8q82v4$qt3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>p  ; In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000919090241.01c96880@24.8.96.48>,I%   Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> wrote:t0 > At 11:55 AM 9/19/00 +0000, Mr. Poologic wrote:< > >I am trying to UNZIP the Perl pre-built .ZIP file.  I get: > >end of file and disk full messsages.   Does anyone have > >some ideas why I get those. >IF > Because your disk is full? That would seem to be the likely cause... >D  F The disk has space.  I checked the file sizes with UNZIP informational parameters.i    H > You might want to make sure you've got the latest unzip as well. OlderF > versions of unzip don't always like zip archives made by more recent	 versions.e > 
 > 					Dan >-2 > --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------4 > Dan Sugalski                          even samuraiA > dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenI= >                                       teddy bears get drunke >  >d   --- http://members.aol.com/tadamsmar/poologic.htmi- Java applet that calculates your best collegeu hoops tourney pool sheet    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:17:01 -0300 (EST)i From: becherini@vortex.ufrgs.br- Subject: Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem0, Message-ID: <00091914170186@vortex.ufrgs.br>  : Received:	by vortex.ufrgs.br (V5.0A-1, OpenVMS V7.2 Alpha)+ From:		Fabio Becherini <becherini@ufrgs.br>w Reply-to:	<becherini@ufrgs.br>< Comments:	@vortex.ufrgs.br, vortex(46.451)::, psi%........::2 References:	BR, TCHE, UFRGS, CPD network, Cia-INFO- Organization:	Cia-INFO /DRS /CPD-UFRGS /UFRGSoO _______________________________________________________________________________i  - . From: "Mr. Poologic" <poologic@my-deja.com>o! . Subject: Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem % . Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:07:19 GMTr . To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come . = . In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000919090241.01c96880@24.8.96.48>,e' .   Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> wrote:e2 . > At 11:55 AM 9/19/00 +0000, Mr. Poologic wrote:> . > >I am trying to UNZIP the Perl pre-built .ZIP file.  I get< . > >end of file and disk full messsages.   Does anyone have  . > >some ideas why I get those. . >tH . > Because your disk is full? That would seem to be the likely cause... . >s . H . The disk has space.  I checked the file sizes with UNZIP informational
 . parameters.0 .  . J . > You might want to make sure you've got the latest unzip as well. OlderH . > versions of unzip don't always like zip archives made by more recent . versions.  . >r . > 					Dan . >e4 . > --------------------------------------"it's like . this"-------------------6 . > Dan Sugalski                          even samuraiC . > dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and event? . >                                       teddy bears get drunkp . >r . >2 .  . --/ . http://members.aol.com/tadamsmar/poologic.htmS/ . Java applet that calculates your best collegei . hoops tourney pool sheet .  . ( . Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ . Before you buy.s    ' 	try downloading last version of Unzip,  	at http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd  	and zillions of sites ...  N  _____________________________________________________________________________O |                                                                             | O | Fabio Becherini                   System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGS |mO | CPD-UFRGS                         Centro de Processamento de Dados da UFRGS |sO |                                   Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul |oO |                                                   Divisao de Rede e Suporte |tO |                                          (55)(51) 316-5041 / 331-1215 (fax) |sO | Rua Ramiro Barcelos, 2574  -  Santa Cecilia  -  Porto Alegre - RS -  Brasil | O |_____________________________________________________________________________|sO |                                                                             |-O | Cia-INFO (c) Ophicin@ das Informacoes                   Coordenacao Central |nO |_____________________________________________________________________________| O |                                                                             |iO | INTERnet:  fabio.becherini@ufrgs.br              DECnet:  vortex::becherini |iO |_____________________________________________________________________________|o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:20:43 GMTe8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>% Subject: Re: Removal of UCX interface ( Message-ID: <39C77C6B.71654765@decus.fi>  @ You may have some other protocols also running on this card. I'd check what you have running. Do    $ analyze/system
 SDA> show lant  9 and press <return> a few times. Some protocols will start 6 automatically on the first encountered LAN device and 9 others will start on the indicated (as per configuration)  device.o  7 Btw., if you remove the 10Mbit device, it may cause the 6 VMS / console level device name for the 100Mbit device< to change implying changes to DECnet/UCX etc. configuration.  9 And on some models the "included" 10Mbit device cannot beZ9 removed. Tell us what kind of Alpha you have and maybe we  can give more suggestions.   _veliI   kevinmadsen@my-deja.com wrote: > 0 > I have a Dec Alpha running OpenVMS 7 with UCX.2 > It has two network adapters, a 10Mb and a 100Mb.2 > I would like to remove the 10Mb card as it is no > longer used. > 3 > We have run into the issue where the box will not 2 > boot if the 10Mb card does not have link status,+ > even though we are not actively using it.  > / > What steps are necessary to remove the TCP/IP@- > (UCX) configuration and other configuratione0 > parameters prior to removing the physical card > from the box?  >  > Any help we be appreciated.e >  > Sincerely, > Kevin Madsen > kmadsen@muscanet.com > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.0   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 15:59:51 +0300& From: costello@iki.fi (Antti Jarvinen)) Subject: Serial line programming question1. Message-ID: <m3lmwoedvc.fsf@cs72168.pp.htv.fi>  
 Dear Sirs,  K I've been blessed with smallish programming task to be done in OpenVMS 7.2 wC and in C language. Having mostly unix background I've been stuck topG problem I can't find an answer from http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/x and it is like this:H  I need to read and write serial port. What I've used to do (in unix) isC  to open the port with open(), wait for the port to became readable0=  with select() and then read with read(). It seems like doing -  fd = open("TTA0:", O_SYNC|O_RDWR|O_NOCTTY) ;B@  is ok in VMS too, as is read(). But select keeps on telling me E  something like "select():socket operation on non-socket" so it seemsrI  that I can't use select for other files than real sockets while on VMS..-  C Here: how do I check if there is anything to read from the TTA0: or" whatever without blocking?  K It seems like there is something like sys$qio(horrible,number,of,arguments)sF that might do the trick, is there any good examples, simple ones, thatJ would do something similar to reading a serial port and being able to have. a time-out in that reading of nothing appears?  K Is there newsgroup more devoted to programming in VMS? This is comp.OS.vms,?' not comp.programming.vms or something..C   -- Antti Jrvinen, costello@iki.fit5             "concerto for two faggots and orchestra"     ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:04:47 +0000 (GMT)+, From: Bill McLaughlin <mcbill20@hotmail.com>- Subject: Re: Serial line programming questionN5 Message-ID: <F184znd9DLYai4ch7bj00005ad5@hotmail.com>q  F Hello Antti. There are quite a few ways to do this with VMS. Since yo=	 u said=20HF this is a small programming task, I am assuming you don't need anythi= ng=20sF complex.  Without knowing what you are trying to read from the serial=	  port,=20eF it's hard to know the best solution. Personally, I always use QIO's. = The=20F call really isn't difficult, especially if the input will be terminat= ed by=20F standard terminators (CR, LF, etc.) and you don't need to read in con= trol=20aF characters as data. If you do need to do this, you can easily tell QI=	 O what=20uF characters are terminators and you can use a different read function = read=20o control characters as data.   F Here is a small example below. This program will read from a serial p=
 ort and=20 display the data read.  E I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if you need any more info.e   Bill McLaughline   #include <stdlib.h>r #include <stdio.h> #include <starlet.h> #include <lib$routines.h>f #include <ssdef.h> #include <iodef.h> #include <string.h>e #include <descrip.h>   #define ONE_SECOND 1   main() {aA   /* Replace sys$command with serial port name or logical name */   -   $DESCRIPTOR( sdDeviceName, "SYS$COMMAND" );y     long int ilIoChannel =3D 0,             ilIoFunction =3D 0,            ilStatus =3D 0;  )   unsigned char szInputRec[100] =3D "\0";s     struct   {t     short int iwStatus;t     short int iwByteCount;     short int iwTerminator;    } sIosb =3D { 0, 0, 0 };  %   /* Assign channel to serial port */r  B   ilStatus =3D sys$assign( &sdDeviceName, &ilIoChannel, 0, 0, 0 );0   if ((ilStatus & 1) !=3D 1) lib$stop(ilStatus);  '   /* Set up normal read with timeout */a  -   ilIoFunction =3D IO$_READVBLK | IO$M_TIMED;t  1   /* Queue up a read with a one second timeout */6  D   ilStatus =3D sys$qiow( 0, ilIoChannel, ilIoFunction, &sIosb, 0, 0,B                        szInputRec, sizeof(szInputRec), ONE_SECOND,!                        0, 0, 0 );   0   if ((ilStatus & 1) !=3D 1) lib$stop(ilStatus);"   if ((sIosb.iwStatus & 1) !=3D 1)   {%*     if (sIosb.iwStatus =3D=3D SS$_TIMEOUT),       printf("No data read-- continuing\n");     else       lib$stop(sIosb.iwStatus);r   }n   else   {l(     szInputRec[sIosb.iwByteCount] =3D 0;;     printf("%d characters read: '%s' with terminator %d\n",o?            sIosb.iwByteCount, szInputRec, sIosb.iwTerminator );u   }    }y   >  >s >-----Original Message-----$F >From: costello@cs72168.pp.htv.fi [mailto:costello@cs72168.pp.htv.fi]=  Ons >Behalf Of Antti Jarvinens* >Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:00 AM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* >Subject: Serial line programming question >Y >V >Dear Sirs,y >eF >I've been blessed with smallish programming task to be done in OpenV= MS 7.2D >and in C language. Having mostly unix background I've been stuck toF >problem I can't find an answer from http://www.openvms.compaq.com:80= 00/o >and it is like this:PF >  I need to read and write serial port. What I've used to do (in uni= x) is(E >  to open the port with open(), wait for the port to became readables? >  with select() and then read with read(). It seems like doing01 >  fd =3D open("TTA0:", O_SYNC|O_RDWR|O_NOCTTY) ;tA >  is ok in VMS too, as is read(). But select keeps on telling meoF >  something like "select():socket operation on non-socket" so it see= msF >  that I can't use select for other files than real sockets while on=  VMS.. >aD >Here: how do I check if there is anything to read from the TTA0: or >whatever without blocking?z >iF >It seems like there is something like sys$qio(horrible,number,of,arg= uments).F >that might do the trick, is there any good examples, simple ones, th= atF >would do something similar to reading a serial port and being able t= o have/ >a time-out in that reading of nothing appears?  > F >Is there newsgroup more devoted to programming in VMS? This is comp.= OS.vms, ( >not comp.programming.vms or something.. >W >--e" >Antti J=E4rvinen, costello@iki.fi6 >             "concerto for two faggots and orchestra" >a >s  F _____________________________________________________________________= ____F Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.= com.  D Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at= =20S http://profiles.msn.com.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 11:26:40 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)- Subject: Re: Serial line programming questiona+ Message-ID: <XLlDe+n673YY@eisner.decus.org>e  . In article <m3lmwoedvc.fsf@cs72168.pp.htv.fi>,( costello#iki.fi (Antti Jarvinen) writes: > Dear Sirs,  G Mostly right, but several ladies admit to hanging around on this forum.'  b5 > I've been blessed with smallish programming task toc3 > be done in OpenVMS 7.2  and in C language. Having 5 > mostly unix background I've been stuck to problem Ia > can't find an answer from % > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/m  F It is good to get a background in many platforms, OpenVMS is very wellN documented, and you can do things in programs that for other operating systems require Kernel Hacks.i  M The particular reference documents that you are looking for are the "Guide toeL System Services" and the "I/O User's guide".  I think there is also a manualD that covers calling system services from the C programming language.  7 <section that notes that C I/O can not be used snipped>   J How small of a task is it?  If it is small enough, the DCL shell scripting5 language can do a read with timeout on a serial port.*   It can even suppress echoing.h   > 3 > Here: how do I check if there is anything to readV. > from the TTA0: or whatever without blocking?  K I would first recommend reading the OpenVMS FAQ that is available as a link " from http://www.openvms.compaq.com  M Assuming that the terminal port you need to read from is not one where a userdL is logged in, there are some steps you need to do outside of your program inN the system startup, or you will have problems.  [Some people skip these steps, and mostly get away with it]  B In the SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM file you must set the terminal port to be
 /PERM/NOTYPE.e  O Failure to do that can result in OpenVMS interpreting your attached device as au# user that is attempting to log in. e  N While you are doing that you might as well set the baud rate, parity and otherH characteristics of your serial port.  You can also set the ownership andF protection of it so that your application does not need to be run with$ privileges. (run as root or setuid).  L If you are expecting packets that are greater than about 78 bytes or so, you  O might want to consider setting the port /ALTYP and checking the settings of the  SYSGEN parameter TTY_ALTYPAHD.   ' > It seems like there is something liker5 > sys$qio(horrible,number,of,arguments) that might doa5 > the trick, is there any good examples, simple ones,<5 > that would do something similar to reading a seriale0 > port and being able to have a time-out in that > reading of nothing appears?l  M For programming examples, I would first look in sys$examples: and then on theoK OpenVMS FREEWARE CD-ROM.  The CD-ROM is also served on the WWW from various 
 locations.  . Yes, you will need to use the sys$qio routine.   The basic steps are:  D 1. Create a descriptor to contain the string with the terminal name.  4 2. use SYS$ASSIGN to assign a channel to the device.  ? 3. use SYS$QIOW to obtain the current terminal characteristics.D  L 4. use SYS$QIOW to modify the active (not permanent) characteristics to turn
 typeahead on.1    L At this point you can consider your options for how you want your program to operate.  A You can issue a SYS$QIOW to read with timeout on the serial port.   L You can issue a SYS$QIO to read from the serial port with a timeout and thenK periodically check the i/o status block on when the read completes or timesn out.  L You can issue a SYS$QIO to read from the serial port with a timeout and thenC have a completion routine run when the read completes or times out.l  M You can issue a SYS$QIO to cause a routine to be executed when any data comesd into the port.  O You can issue a SYS$QIOW to check to see if any characters are in the typeahead- buffer currently.a    a3 > Is there newsgroup more devoted to programming in.4 > VMS? This is comp.OS.vms, not comp.programming.vms > or something..  H This is where the big party is.  There is also a vmsnet.* set of groups.    
 Good Luck,   -John0 wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:47:25 GMTs- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> - Subject: Re: Serial line programming question2( Message-ID: <39C77C79.CC80C593@ohio.edu>  H It might also be appropriate to use the DCL command ALLOCATE before, and DEALLOCATE after.p  #                                 RDPi     "John E. Malmberg" wrote:o  0 > In article <m3lmwoedvc.fsf@cs72168.pp.htv.fi>,* > costello#iki.fi (Antti Jarvinen) writes: > > Dear Sirs, >aI > Mostly right, but several ladies admit to hanging around on this forum.r >i7 > > I've been blessed with smallish programming task to'5 > > be done in OpenVMS 7.2  and in C language. Havingn7 > > mostly unix background I've been stuck to problem Ie > > can't find an answer from ' > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/' >iH > It is good to get a background in many platforms, OpenVMS is very wellP > documented, and you can do things in programs that for other operating systems > require Kernel Hacks.  > O > The particular reference documents that you are looking for are the "Guide tooN > System Services" and the "I/O User's guide".  I think there is also a manualF > that covers calling system services from the C programming language. >-9 > <section that notes that C I/O can not be used snipped>0 > L > How small of a task is it?  If it is small enough, the DCL shell scripting7 > language can do a read with timeout on a serial port.y >r > It can even suppress echoing.. >l > > 5 > > Here: how do I check if there is anything to read	0 > > from the TTA0: or whatever without blocking? >tM > I would first recommend reading the OpenVMS FAQ that is available as a linkO$ > from http://www.openvms.compaq.com >/O > Assuming that the terminal port you need to read from is not one where a user_N > is logged in, there are some steps you need to do outside of your program inP > the system startup, or you will have problems.  [Some people skip these steps, > and mostly get away with it] >0D > In the SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM file you must set the terminal port to be > /PERM/NOTYPE.5 > Q > Failure to do that can result in OpenVMS interpreting your attached device as aI$ > user that is attempting to log in. > P > While you are doing that you might as well set the baud rate, parity and otherJ > characteristics of your serial port.  You can also set the ownership andH > protection of it so that your application does not need to be run with& > privileges. (run as root or setuid). >tN > If you are expecting packets that are greater than about 78 bytes or so, you >'Q > might want to consider setting the port /ALTYP and checking the settings of the   > SYSGEN parameter TTY_ALTYPAHD. >-) > > It seems like there is something like-7 > > sys$qio(horrible,number,of,arguments) that might doi7 > > the trick, is there any good examples, simple ones,a7 > > that would do something similar to reading a seriale2 > > port and being able to have a time-out in that > > reading of nothing appears?i >tO > For programming examples, I would first look in sys$examples: and then on the M > OpenVMS FREEWARE CD-ROM.  The CD-ROM is also served on the WWW from variousd > locations. >e0 > Yes, you will need to use the sys$qio routine. >a > The basic steps are: > F > 1. Create a descriptor to contain the string with the terminal name. >_6 > 2. use SYS$ASSIGN to assign a channel to the device. > A > 3. use SYS$QIOW to obtain the current terminal characteristics.m >NN > 4. use SYS$QIOW to modify the active (not permanent) characteristics to turn > typeahead on.e >dN > At this point you can consider your options for how you want your program to
 > operate. >oC > You can issue a SYS$QIOW to read with timeout on the serial port.  >uN > You can issue a SYS$QIO to read from the serial port with a timeout and thenM > periodically check the i/o status block on when the read completes or times  > out. > N > You can issue a SYS$QIO to read from the serial port with a timeout and thenE > have a completion routine run when the read completes or times out.  > O > You can issue a SYS$QIO to cause a routine to be executed when any data comese > into the port. >_Q > You can issue a SYS$QIOW to check to see if any characters are in the typeahead  > buffer currently.  >  > 5 > > Is there newsgroup more devoted to programming ino6 > > VMS? This is comp.OS.vms, not comp.programming.vms > > or something.. >_J > This is where the big party is.  There is also a vmsnet.* set of groups. >- > Good Luck, >- > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  / Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:02:16 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist6 Message-ID: <200009190758.JAA11407@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Andrew Harrison wrotes:    >>> < You response demonstrates that you don't appear to have the B first idea what sort of environment you will find in a datacenter.  ? You make the great mistake of assuming that a datacenter is onel? environment, it isn't there often a number of micro-climates in ? each datacenter. For example there often isn't one temperature g< in a datacenter but a range of temperatures often differing ; by as much as 4C from the coldest point in the room to the o	 warmest. u  = Same for sub-floor temperature and pressure, same for a whole  set of parameters.  : You also seem oblivious to the fact that fixing the AC is = not necessarely any easy option. You may simply be producing I: more heat in the datacenter than the AC can cope with. The@ only fix to this is to change the AC which in a major datacenter is not an easy thing to do.   = The fact that you say simple fix the AC demonstrates that youe9 don't really know enough about this to be commenting for  = Compaq. I suspect that Compaqs sevices organisations response3; would be a lot more complex than yours. At least I hope it i; would because if it isn't then there are going to be a lot .A of customers who will say, we know the AC isn't working properly m but we have to live with it. <<<w  I Andrew, what would you like to say with it? That the Sun every time standeI on the worsed place? That the Sun produce as much heat, that there are 4CiH more temperature? What's happen if the GS140 stands on the hottest placeH and the Sun on the coolest? If I do unstand you right, Sun hardware willD be missplaced everytime. Come on, Sun should be able to design thereA Enterprise Server much better, so that this system shutdown earlyoE enaugh, before they would be destroyed byanything like temperature orc@ other environmental parameters. But Sun seems to be not designed( against shortcut, electrostatic and EMP.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:04:16 +0100t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39C72C10.2B73EBFC@uk.sun.com>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:o > M > But although it's true that there is going to be a range of temperature andhI > a range of RH etc in the typical data centre, if the company owning themM > data centre decide to put extra kit in there and it takes the room over the H > capacity which the AC can deal with then one (or more) of four actions > needs to be taken :- > - put the kit elsewhere;' > - upgrade the AC so that it can cope; 6 > - put in additional AC capacity so that it can cope;I > - take out some of the "original" kit to bring the contents of the room7. > back to the level that the AC can cope with. > 8 Of course all of these are remedies however most of them5 require some sort of disruption and many of them for o8 example "upgrade the AC" are not necessarely things that& can just be done at the drop of a hat.  9 And as for removing kit, easily said much more difficult I9 to do. In organisations like Investment Banks for examplee@ the datacenters are often owned and operated by an organisation ; that owns the infrastructure, however the equipment in the l: datacenter is owned by individual business units who don't? take kindly to people removing their systems from a production c; datacenter with DR etc and moving them to a data suite withe none of the facilities.   ; And as you know working for a Pharms company you also have r: and external regulator to satisfy and they may not be too > impressed with a decision to move say a settlement (Investment; Banking) system from a DR'd datacenter to a non-production r; datacenter with no DR facility. I am guessing but this may u< also apply in the Pharms market to something like a clincal  trials DBMS system.   J > Usually a data centre will go out of normal conditions when either extraI > kit is added or when, as Kerry points out, part of the AC fails and thel! > cooling capacity is downgraded.3 > ? Right so what has been happening over the last couple of years,3; people have been buying very large numbers of machines for r; things like eCommerce, Y2K and other programs. They havn't 3; necessarely been investing in datacenter space at the same  8 rate. I can vouch for this with respect to the customer  I work for.(    K > Companies that configure computer rooms with insufficient capacity in anytL > service perhaps deserve all they get (and no, there are no specific limits" > or exclusions to that statement) > M > Oh, by the way Andrew.  Even on an E10000, 21+4=25 (assuming that the ideal G > temperature that is being aimed for is the 21 degrees C that has been  > quoted.....) > H Thats assuming that the datacenter was running at a minimum temperature E of 21C !! of course that is probably the ideal, but many datacenters " do not run this low.   Regards  Andrew Harrison$ Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:29:12 -0400c, From: "Anthony Classick" <aclassic@ford.com> Subject: Telnet configurationz3 Message-ID: <8q7ibn$nss1@eccws12.dearborn.ford.com>s  L I need to change the message that comes up just prior to the login prompt inL a telnet session, in VMS 5.0 to 6.2 (several systems). What do I need to do?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:31:06 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> ! Subject: Re: Telnet configurationo( Message-ID: <39C76A98.B9B107F0@ohio.edu>  7 $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC SYS$ANNOUNCE "This is the message"e   or  = $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXEC SYS$ANNOUNCE "@sys$manager:announce.txt"p  H The latter brings up whatever file you specify -- handy for more verbose	 messages.   L The same alternatives exist for SYS$WELCOME -- the message immediately after login.                   RDPt   Anthony Classick wrote:t  N > I need to change the message that comes up just prior to the login prompt inN > a telnet session, in VMS 5.0 to 6.2 (several systems). What do I need to do?   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:20:44 GMTt8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>! Subject: Re: Telnet configurationa( Message-ID: <39C780D5.CEBDD8BA@decus.fi>  E $ define/system/exec sys$announce "New text to be displayed just uponr
 USERNAME:"   or  @ $ define/system/exec sys$announce "@sys$manager:Just_before.TXT"  E and have whatever you want in the file . Also remember to the command @ also in e.q. SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGICALS.COM so that it gets executed on next reboot/boot.   _veli_   Anthony Classick wrote:_ > N > I need to change the message that comes up just prior to the login prompt inN > a telnet session, in VMS 5.0 to 6.2 (several systems). What do I need to do?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:29:45 +0100S0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris* Message-ID: <39C73209.A112A705@uk.sun.com>   Brian Tillman wrote: > K > >How about some type of document, not sure what type, and maybe shouldn'tAM > >prejudice that decision up front, that lists all the things VMS does for atK > >customer.  Put this in the form (possibly) of a check list, which can bea	 > used totN > >determine what you will lose by leaving VMS, or a list of things a customerN > >should confirm their new system(s) should be able to do.  A document easily > usedM > >by someone in an organization considering a switch from VMS, or who may bev > inK > >some stage of such a switch, or who has completed a switch.  I'm sure its > shouldI > >be put in a more politically neutral maner, but basically something ton
 > shove upL > >the noses of the PHBs and show them what they're giving up, and what type > ofM > >shaky position they are placing themselves in, should things start getting 	 > >tense.a > N > I, for one, am not sure what good such a document would do, since a majorityH > of the migrations from OpenVMS to another O/S happen for non-technical > (i.e., political) reasons.  8 Granted, many OpenVMS migrations will have been because 8 senior management felt that OpenVMS was no longer a safe strategic choice.   > But to suggest that this is the reason for the bulk of people 7 moving from OpenVMS to another platform is to ignore a t8 really good and compelling technical reason why OpenVMS 5 was no longer a viable choice. That technical reason  ( is and was the availability of software.  ) SAP R2 ran on OpenVMS but R3 does not so  ( if you are SAP shop OpenVMS is no longer and option.   & Peoplesoft ran on OpenVMS but current  versions do not, ditto.e  & Oracle applications ran on OpenVMS but current versions do no, ditto.  & Sybase ran on OpenVMS but the current  version does not, ditto.  ( No 1.2 or 1.3 production JVM support for+ OpenVMS plus a history of being 9-12 monthsi+ behind most other platforms means that veryt* few large Java deployments will happen on  OpenVMS.  + The list is pretty endless and has a knock  ) on effect, lose the big OLTP transaction c+ systems and you stand a very good chance ofy' losing the surrounding systems as well.s  - One posted put his finger right on the pulse,o/ there is for example in the Investment Banking s* arena a huge push towards component based * systems using apps servers. Away from the ) traditional back office systems. In some ,+ cases the banks are retaining their legacy i* settlement systems written in things like ) Cobol, but are removing all but the most f1 basic settlement functions from them and placing o0 that functionality in a mid applications server - based tier. This is in part because they haver0 found that it is impossible to add functionality- to the back end systems at the rate that the  $ market and their businesses require.  , So what you are seing is a bubble that will + burst, the customer I work for has recentlyo, upgraded their settlement systems, but this , is a tactical move, the applications server ) tier is over the next 2-3 years going to ), replace much of the functionality currently * residing in the back-end and at that point# the back-ends will probably shrink.r   Regards  Andrew HarrisonI Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:32:42 GMTt% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)c$ Subject: Re: To VMS From SCO/Solaris2 Message-ID: <39c775f9.1123603676@news.newsguy.com>  3 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:29:45 +0100, andrew harrisonh! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:h    * >SAP R2 ran on OpenVMS but R3 does not so ) >if you are SAP shop OpenVMS is no longere >and option.  E Unfortunately for SAP SAP/R3 seems to be becoming no longer an optioniF for quite a lot of companies on any platform. Still I'd like to see it
 available.    ' >Oracle applications ran on OpenVMS buti >current versions do no, ditto.m  @ Oracle web site lists latest shipping versions of Oracle Apps asE 11.0.3 on both VMS and Sun platforms. Oracle Apps 11i is scheduled tolE appear on VMS. I know that Oracle did announce the end of Oracle Apps:E on VMS a year or so ago but this seems to have been overtaken by more: recent Oracle announcements. o     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:35:03 -0400m0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> Subject: Using DEC CMM and CVSD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000919113503.0097d380@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hi VMS Colleagues,  J We do a lot of VMS development, but typically use CVS on Tru64 or Linux toH do code management and maintain version control of our code. Some of our8 customers, however use the DECset CMM/MMS product suite.  G We'd like to be able to interoperate between the two environments (roll I changes from CVS at our shop to CMM at a customer site.) Although someoneeH (once upon a time) ported CVS to VMS, it is an old version and IMHO, not ready for prime time.   J Does anyone on the list have experience with compatibility between CVS and6 CMM or exporting/importing to/from DECset CMM <-> CVS?   TIA for any help/advice.   Regards,   Jim 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-n7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems, Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235  Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com t        jhjennis@shentel.netb& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 10:15:45 GMT0 From: FAZEKAS Mihaly <michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu># Subject: VAX 11/780 SYSTEM passwordn, Message-ID: <8q7ech$dc9$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>  < How can i change the SYSTEM user password on the TPA-11/580?7 (TPA-11/580 is a hungarian copy of original VAX-11/780)i   Same as about MicroVAX II/III?G Can i boot the 11/780 with the "b/100" command after console is booted?a$ (i'm not in the machine-room at now)   --    mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu Phone: 463-1966a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:47:23 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>' Subject: Re: VAX 11/780 SYSTEM password > Message-ID: <hshubs-31FF4D.07472319092000@news.mindspring.com>  < In article <8q7ech$dc9$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>, FAZEKAS Mihaly " <michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu> wrote:  = >How can i change the SYSTEM user password on the TPA-11/580?a8 >(TPA-11/580 is a hungarian copy of original VAX-11/780)  * SET PASSWORD, just like any other account. -- h Howard S Shubs# "Run in circles, scream and shout!"s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:31:20 +0200h" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: VAX 11/780 SYSTEM passwordh( Message-ID: <8q7lt4$dfl$1@news.IAEhv.nl>   Try B/1 and:   SYSBOOT> set uafalternate 1e SYSBOOT> continuee  K You should be able to login now, but you've got to type two passwords (typei any string)s
 to get in.  I Next, either define/sys/exec sysuaf sys$system:sysuaf.dat or do a set def 
 sys$system@ Run Authorize and mod system/nopwdexp/password=<your new string>   That should do the trick.   K The 11/580 boots from an RX01, just like the 780? That migh mean you've got 	 to changeA the boot file.  
 Hans Vlems  * FAZEKAS Mihaly heeft geschreven in bericht# <8q7ech$dc9$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>... = >How can i change the SYSTEM user password on the TPA-11/580?a8 >(TPA-11/580 is a hungarian copy of original VAX-11/780) >  >Same as about MicroVAX II/III? H >Can i boot the 11/780 with the "b/100" command after console is booted?% >(i'm not in the machine-room at now)u >  >--a! >mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hus >Phone: 463-1966   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 09:30:18 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: Re: VAX 11/780 SYSTEM passworda+ Message-ID: <ergoLRt0sQda@eisner.decus.org>l  _ In article <8q7ech$dc9$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>, FAZEKAS Mihaly <michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu> writes:r> > How can i change the SYSTEM user password on the TPA-11/580?9 > (TPA-11/580 is a hungarian copy of original VAX-11/780)e  F See the FAQ if you've actually lost the password, otherwize log in and use set password.o    > Same as about MicroVAX II/III?I > Can i boot the 11/780 with the "b/100" command after console is booted?r& > (i'm not in the machine-room at now)  D b/100 will not work on a real 11/780, I don't know about an 11/580. G b/100 (or b/r5:100 on some systems), sets 100 into R5 and does the boot=$ sequence to the default boot device.  H The 11/780 boot sequence uses a command file from the 8 1/2 inch floppy.G The default command file (DEFBOO.CMD) sets everything, but there should F be a command file which does not set R5.  You can dep r5 100, then runH that command file.  Check that the command file you use sets up the same0 boot device et. al. as the default command file.  ? You can copy, edit, and replace files on the console using suchwJ procedures as sys$update:conscopy.com (copies everything), or the EXCHANGE utility (formerly FLX).w  J OBTW, you may be looking for b/1 (dep r5 1) instead of b/100 (dep r5 100).  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupgE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:36:05 GMTd/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> ( Subject: what path does clustering use??) Message-ID: <8q7mjk$b9e$1@nnrp1.deja.com>y  D We have recently had problems implementing new SCSI disks (on a RaidG 3000) on vms 7.1-2 we are also using host based shadowing to shadow the 1 disks rather than mirror then on the Raid arrays. C One of the problems involved a cluster member taking a long time to E enter the cluster after several apparent rejections. Apparently there F are patches to address this. However, we were expecting the clusteringG software to use the old DSSI bus rather than a SCSI bus so I am confueda' as to why SCSI changes can affect this.w  E The question is this, what determines which system clustering uses tohE talk when multiple paths are available - in this case SCSI and DSSI -e' and how can you check it and change it.a   TIAu  
 Mike Price --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:04:24 +0100u* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>, Subject: Re: what path does clustering use??, Message-ID: <8q7o8o$1e9g@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  ` "Mike Price" <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> wrote in message news:8q7mjk$b9e$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  * >However, we were expecting the clusteringH >software to use the old DSSI bus rather than a SCSI bus so I am confued( >as to why SCSI changes can affect this.  E There are other things to worry about: for example, if you have ended C up with non-unique disk names, because of allocation class settingsc? these will cause grief whether on a shared interconnect or not.e  G > The question is this, what determines which system clustering uses toeG > talk when multiple paths are available - in this case SCSI and DSSI -e) > and how can you check it and change it.i  @ In this particular case it's easy: clustering *never* uses SCSI.B That is (apart from sanity checks) messages are not delivered from one node to the other.  E In general, a direct path: CI, MC, DSSI is preferred before a network A interface. Then network paths: highest MTU available, then lowest  latency first.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:56:06 GMTt/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>y, Subject: Re: what path does clustering use??) Message-ID: <8q7r9a$h55$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  C Thanks to all those that have replied. The message from everyone ise  that clustering never uses SCSI.  5 So what is the SCSI clustering I keep hearing about??r4 I've never tried to use it so have I misunderstood??   Thanks   Mike --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:31:44 +0000w$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk, Subject: Re: what path does clustering use??/ Message-ID: <0025695F.00550B11.00@quegw01.btyp>   = Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  VSSG, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazat    M You can use SCSI for access to storage etc, but the comms between the clustera5 member must have another transport for cluster comms.y  C There were limits with SCSI clusters, not sure if they still exist.s   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pages         C Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> on 19/09/2000 01:56:06 PMt    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)hM From:      Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>, 19 September 2000, 1:56b            p.m.n  # Re: what path does clustering use??C        C Thanks to all those that have replied. The message from everyone is   that clustering never uses SCSI.  5 So what is the SCSI clustering I keep hearing about?? 4 I've never tried to use it so have I misunderstood??   Thanks   Mike --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.h   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 16:53:27 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: Re: what path does clustering use??( Message-ID: <39c77de7@news.kapsch.co.at>  [ In article <8q7r9a$h55$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> writes:a6 >So what is the SCSI clustering I keep hearing about??  , A VMS cluster has at least two requirements: 	a) shared storage access ( 	b) cluster (node to node) communication   *) CI		solved both requirementsr( *) DSSI		solved both requirements (IIRC)6 *) FibreChan	only solves shared storage access (AFAIK)# *) MemChan	only solves cluster comm E *) Network	only solves cluster comm (but solves both with VOLSHAD-II).* *) SCSI		only solves shared storage access  I So, a VMS SCSI cluster is a SCSI bus, with multi-host support (means SCSImG controllers, accepting that more than one controller is on the bus) andtH another medium for the cluster communication (eg. [Fast] Ethernet, FDDI, ATM, Memory Channel, ...).  K Max. supported config is AFAIK 3 hosts (=3 controllers) and some (maybe 13)  disks on a SCSI bus.  G Don't confuse this with the Personal Crap "Clusters" where only 2 hostsaI are supported and only one can use the SCSI bus on the same time. This is N a "hot-standby with [very] limited failover" configuration, but not a cluster.   HIHa   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 17:43:01 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: what path does clustering use??6 Message-ID: <8q88j5$n9u$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  V In article <0025695F.00550B11.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk writes:D :Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> on 19/09/2000 01:56:06 PM$ :Re: what path does clustering use??  G   Assisted interconnects such as DSSI and CI are chosen for use first, nI   then the first NI path found (unless it gets overloaded) is used.  All hE   paths capable of SCS operations available are typically configured.e  6 :So what is the SCSI clustering I keep hearing about??5 :I've never tried to use it so have I misunderstood??e  I   There is no such thing as a "SCSI cluster", and I personally wish that uF   particular terminology never escaped outside of OpenVMS Engineering.  F   There is an OpenVMS Cluster that uses SCSI (for storage access), butF   there can never be a multi-host OpenVMS cluster with only SCSI as anE   interconnect -- in addition to multi-host SCSI, one or more cluster E   communications interconnects (CI, NI, FDDI, MC, etc) is an absolutetH   requirement.   An OpenVMS Cluster using multi-host SCSI is inherently G   a mixed-interconnect (multiple interconnect) cluster, in other words.d  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:22:20 GMTt% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)  Subject: Re: Wirings2 Message-ID: <39c73cc7.1108962093@news.newsguy.com>  @ On Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:27:12 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:   ^ >In article <junx5.16823$j6.3602087@news1.rdc1.va.home.com>, "Tom" <tomw9990@home.com> writes:I >>the setup you describe is what I have.  On the end you left with ??? isiH >>another MMJ.  The custom cable on the terminal/printer end is straightK >>through (ie.. 1-6 = 1-6).  The custom cable on the server end is reversedi0 >>(ie 1-6 = 6-1).  Thanks for the quick response >fJ >I have had a problem with 6 conductor cables in the past where the colorsK >at one end of the cable were in the order: blue, yellow, green, red, black J >and white and the other end they were out of order.  Somewhere inside theJ >lenght of cable, the conductors were twisted.  I ALWAYS, because of this,  C I find this a real pain. Sometimes these cabes are wired crossed tonC connect two hosts together (ie no switch or hub present, just a twotE node network) and then get re-used (or not...) to connect to a hub, In@ don't understand why some logic can't be built into the cards toE autodetect uplink/downlink wiring configuration. If memory serves VMS : reports crossed TX/RX HSC cables. Why not duplex ethernet?     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:32:28 +0100L% From: Paul Dias <paul.dias@bbc.co.uk> ( Subject: Wrapping lines in PRINT command) Message-ID: <39C74ECC.CB1B9DB6@bbc.co.uk>s   Hi,   D Does anyone know how to PRINT a text file with more than 80 chars toD a line so that the extra characters get wrapped on to the next line?   Cheers,    Paul.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 07:29:51 -0500 # From: jeff.ramion@bankofamerica.comi, Subject: RE: Wrapping lines in PRINT commandM Message-ID: <9510DF2FECA8D311816800508B6F478E059CD3@chitmd19.nt.il.nbgfn.com>a  D Printing so that lines longer than the sheet width wrap is usually aH function of the "form" through which the file goes as it hits the paper.   Do a m  " 	$ show queue/full Your_queue_name  9 and look for the form= portion of the output.  Then do a    " 	$ show queue/form/full form_name   H and see if the /TRUNCATE qualifier comes up.  If it does, you'll need to@ redefine the form or create a new form with the /WRAP qualifier.   > -----Original Message-----, > From:	Paul Dias [SMTP:paul.dias@bbc.co.uk]+ > Sent:	Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:32 AMp > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * > Subject:	Wrapping lines in PRINT command >  > Hi,- > F > Does anyone know how to PRINT a text file with more than 80 chars toF > a line so that the extra characters get wrapped on to the next line? > 	 > Cheers,1 >  > Paul..   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 11:53:48 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer* Message-ID: <39c737ac$1@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <0AD133B5ECED3D4B.DC4809DD4522DD30.DAE21CF3EC32C49D@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:t >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:i >> .C >> I have followed the instructions (to the best of my knowlege) atn >> tM >>         http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/pdf_viewer.html3 >> oO >> to install the ADOBE Acrobat Viewer on my Alpha (V7.2-1, JAVA V1.1.8-5, ...)  >t$ >Please consider the ASI PDF Viewer: >p/ >	http://www.applied-synergy.com/pdf/index.htmle   Considered and thanks, no.. 1.) I already have XPDF (V0.9 with decryption)A 2.) I want to get experience with JAVA/JRE and its tools and some  	JAVA programs on VMSsM 3.) I don't get ANY money for any of my VMS systems for a couple of years now3/ 	So, commercial ware is out of every scope here.   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888i< FBFV/Information Services           E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netF <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     PSImail PSI%(0232)281001141::EPLANH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"N "VMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT V8.0 to be!" Compaq, 22-Sep-1998   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:09:59 GMTs% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)h( Subject: Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer2 Message-ID: <39c77347.1122914105@news.newsguy.com>  C On 19 Sep 2000 11:53:48 +0200, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)- wrote:   >In article <0AD133B5ECED3D4B.DC4809DD4522DD30.DAE21CF3EC32C49D@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: >>Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: >>> D >>> I have followed the instructions (to the best of my knowlege) at >>> N >>>         http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/pdf_viewer.html >>> P >>> to install the ADOBE Acrobat Viewer on my Alpha (V7.2-1, JAVA V1.1.8-5, ...) >>% >>Please consider the ASI PDF Viewer:j >>0 >>	http://www.applied-synergy.com/pdf/index.html >o >Considered and thanks, no.-/ >1.) I already have XPDF (V0.9 with decryption)AB >2.) I want to get experience with JAVA/JRE and its tools and some >	JAVA programs on VMSN >3.) I don't get ANY money for any of my VMS systems for a couple of years now0 >	So, commercial ware is out of every scope here  B Although 1 and 2 seem solid reasons I did notice that the cheapest' sing;le license was only 150 dollars...r   --
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