1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 20 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 526       Contents:P Adding user defined events/traps to Storage Works Command Console or Insight Man Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: Compaq VMS promo defrag documentation RE: defrag documentation Re: defrag documentation+ FILESERV@WKU: Updated VNCviewer for OpenVMS . FW: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo)2 Re: FW: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo)2 Re: FW: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo)2 Re: FW: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo) HSZ50 in Hobbyist Cluster % LAN Cluster and multiple LAN adapters ) Re: LAN Cluster and multiple LAN adapters ) Re: LAN Cluster and multiple LAN adapters # LIB$FIND_FILE exclude method wanted  Re: LSE Startup File? Microsoft SQL Server on Windows NT: OpenVMS tcp/ip connectivity C Re: Microsoft SQL Server on Windows NT: OpenVMS tcp/ip connectivity  Re: Middleware for RMS Re: Middleware for RMS Re: Middleware for RMS% Re: No more SYSDUMP.DMP? No more NTP?  Re: OpenVMS * Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo). Re: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo). Re: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo) Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem5 RE: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation 5 RE: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation 5 RE: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation 5 Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation 5 RE: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation  Re: Quantum Fireball? $ Re: Serial line programming question$ Re: Serial line programming question! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ; Re: TCP/IP based program hung apparently when run detached.  Re: TCPIP V5.0 complaints  Re: Telnet configuration9 Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) 9 Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point) # Re: what path does clustering use?? # Re: what path does clustering use??  Where's the VMS FAQ? Re: Where's the VMS FAQ? Re: Why are these files open?  Re: Why are these files open? # Re: Wrapping lines in PRINT command  Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 21:28:40 GMT' From: andywright@psilink.co.uk (Andy w) Y Subject: Adding user defined events/traps to Storage Works Command Console or Insight Man . Message-ID: <39c7cc78_1@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>  L Is it possible create user defined (external) events/traps on a VMS platform= to Storage Works command console or Insight Manager products?    thanks Andy   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:37:40 +0000 - From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>  Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo . Message-ID: <39C7B274.4818E458@fsi.net.mapson>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > / > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message $ > news:8q5rkd$kqg$1@news.IAEhv.nl...
 > > Terry, > > N > > believe me, I've been a VMS fan since 1982 but as long as the big software7 > > players (SAP et. al.) do not support VMS it's dead.  > M > The lack of SAP support certainly is a show-stopper in a number of markets.  > L > > Computers are no longer bought, it's the applications that are now being
 > > selected. E > > In the minds of CEO's any box that cannot run SAP R/3 is probably  > something  > > you do not need.N > > The problem is to get this point across to the VMS ambassadors. They still > > seem > > to live in 1985. > I > I don't know about that... the Ambassadors I've dealt with seem to know L > what's going. Getting buy-in from senior Compaq management (well above the* > Rich Marcello pay grade) is the problem.  > Any suggestions on how to overcome that are certainly welcome!   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:40:50 GMT ! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com>  Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo & Message-ID: <O2WaUGAHX2x5EwWc@gol.com>  H In article <8q6rco$74l$1@pyrite.mv.net>, Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes > 6 >David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message( >news:39C6DB2B.D2BF83AC@tsoft-inc.com... >  >... > L >> So, if you were in charge now, how would you get these reluctant software >> vendors to consider VMS?  > F >Spend some serious money on VMS to demonstrate unmistakable corporateJ >commitment to a future those vendors might have an interest in being partG >of.  After so many years of lost opportunities and unmet expectations,  >nothing else will do the job. >  >- bill  >  >> >> Dave  >> >> -- 7 >> David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450 7 >> Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596 A >> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 9 >> T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486  >  >   F And at the same time ensure that IT students get to use, and like, VMSH at college. Ensure that hardware and software is sufficiently cheap that? at least some of them can afford to have VMS systems at home.     E In a few years, you'll have developers who are asking their companies ? for VMS development platforms rather than Solaris, Linux or NT.    Regards    Ian    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:50:23 -0400 + From: Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>  Subject: defrag documentation + Message-ID: <39C7C37F.F615B3FA@clarion.edu>   F Can you tell me where to find detailed documentation on the use of th= is< defrag utility: (which cd, web site, FAQ, etc.) I am running OpenVMS 7.1 on Alpha.   ( Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS DFG V2.3F Copyright =A9 Digital Equipment Corp. 1991,1997.   All rights reserve= d      Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:12:13 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> ! Subject: RE: defrag documentation D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD815@berry.mvpsi.com>  E Try $ HELP DEFRAG, otherwise, the documentation is on CD 1 of Alpha =  Online Documentation Library.   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Clayton Kroh [mailto:ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU]+ > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:50 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: defrag documentation  >=20 >=20@ > Can you tell me where to find detailed documentation on the=20
 > use of this > > defrag utility: (which cd, web site, FAQ, etc.) I am running > OpenVMS 7.1 on Alpha.  >=20* > Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS DFG V2.3A > Copyright =A9 Digital Equipment Corp. 1991,1997.   All rights =  reserved >=20 >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 20:06:02 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: defrag documentation 6 Message-ID: <8q8gva$p8s$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <39C7C37F.F615B3FA@clarion.edu>, Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU> writes: 0 :... where to find detailed documentation on ...1 :... Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS DFG V2.3 ...   G   This tool has available documentation, either in hardcopy and on the  I   documentation CD-ROM.  AFAIK, this particular product documentation is  I   among those products whose documentation is not presently available in  $   HTML format on the Compaq website.  C   Software product descriptions (SPDs) contain a description of the A   product and various items of relevent information including the 9   various part numbers.  SPDs can be located via the URL:   '     http://www.digital.com/info/SPHOME/   F   In the case of the DFO package, the current version is V2.5, and the+   SPD (SPD 44.85.xx) is located at the URL:   3     http://www.digital.com/info/SP5585/SP5585HM.HTM   =   From the SPD, the hardcopy documentation order numbers are:          OpenVMS VAX:    QA-GJ8AA-GZ       OpenVMS Alpha:  QA-2GNAA-GZ  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 00 19:37:20 -0500) From: goathunter@wku.edu (Hunter Goatley) 4 Subject: FILESERV@WKU: Updated VNCviewer for OpenVMS' Message-ID: <QsWQIvpst5H$@axp1.wku.edu>   C VNC333R1VMS011 (VNCviewer V1.1 for OpenVMS) is now available.  This F update allows the VNCviewer to work on systems running UCX (pre-V5.0).F The first release required MultiNet, TCPware, or TCP/IP Services V5.0,C though this wasn't documented.  (It was making a call using a value  unsupported by pre-V5.0 UCX.)   1 ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/vnc333r1vms011.zip 9 ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/vnc333r1vms011.zip = ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/vnc333r1vms011.zip    Hunter ------8 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com; <goathunter@PROCESS.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:15:35 -0400 ' From: Dan Allen <daniel.allen@nist.gov> 7 Subject: FW: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo) @ Message-ID: <NEBBIALHDHJMJINPGMOAEEIFCJAA.daniel.allen@nist.gov>  Q   And people bitch about VMS pricing!  Geez, Oracle has been one of the costliest R   products I've ever dealt with! Are these numbers for a development license (i.e.R   ALL of the pre-compilers and ODBC libraries, et. al.) or just a run-time system?U   I wonder why SQLSERVER is so popular despite its (alleged) performance and capacity    limitations?   -----Original Message-----8 From: Malcolm Dunnett [mailto:nothome@spammers.are.scum]) Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:22 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 Subject: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo)     C In article <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61F7@and02.drc.com>,  /     "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> writes:  > J > Dropping it, no.  Pricing it (and Oracle Oracle) out of the market, yes.> > See the current issue of Computerworld.  For your amusement: > J > Alphaserver           System list price (VMS)          Oracle Enterprise > costE > DS10/DS10L                    $7k                              $70k E > DS20e (2cpu)                 $40k                             $200k # > ES40 (4cpu)                 $100k  > $400k E > GS320 (32cpu)              $2000k                            $3500k  > $ > And you thought VMS was expensive? > G     I suspect very few sites actually need Oracle "Enterprise" edition, E most of the commonly used features are available in Oracle "Standard" C edition, which is a whole lot cheaper. Using "Universal Power Unit" / pricing ( and no discounts ) a DS10 would cost:   0    466MHz * 1.5 Risc Multiplier * $15 = $10,485.  >    Still quite a bit relative to the cost of a DS10, but a lot    better than $70K.  %    A 2 CPU  (500Mhz) DS20 would cost:   (         2 * 500MHz * 1.5 * $15 = $22,500      A 4 CPU ES40 would be  &     4 * 667(?)MHz * 1.5 * 15 = $60,030    >    Standard edition is not offered on boxes larger than ES40s.  D    There's also "named user pricing". The $3.5 million price tag for= the GS320 would buy 17,500 "named" users of Standard edition.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:15:05 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ; Subject: Re: FW: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo) , Message-ID: <39C81DA1.34526680@videotron.ca>   Dan Allen wrote: > S >   And people bitch about VMS pricing!  Geez, Oracle has been one of the costliest " >   products I've ever dealt with!   Reality check please:   N Does Oracle charge more for a VMS platform license than for an equivalent UNIX or NT system platform licence ?   L In other words, if you buy a 8086 server with equivalent CPU power to a DS10J box, would Oracle charge more for the DS10 versus the 8086 based machine ?   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 22:32:03 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) ; Subject: Re: FW: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo) * Message-ID: <8q97j3$spv$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <39C81DA1.34526680@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >Dan Allen wrote:  >>  T >>   And people bitch about VMS pricing!  Geez, Oracle has been one of the costliest# >>   products I've ever dealt with!  >  >Reality check please: > O >Does Oracle charge more for a VMS platform license than for an equivalent UNIX   >or NT system platform licence ? >   L Hmmm... The equivalent UNIX license is probably similarly priced, but last IH checked, and this was awhile back, there is _some_ discount on NT OracleL licenses.  In the NT world, they compete with Microsoft SQL Server, so they ! have to price more competitively.   I Compaq probably prices OpenVMS for similar reasons.  If you need OpenVMS, I you pay more for it.  There's more competition in the UNIX and NT worlds. L They succeed at getting more money for OpenVMS up to the point of pain that F will force customers to expend the big bucks to port everything off.  G Unfortunately, I'm afraid Compaq (and DEC before them) are addicted to  H this revenue stream and can't afford the inevitable dip that would come I if they dropped prices on OpenVMS licenses suddenly, even if it would be   a good move in the long term.   A Compaq management ultimately has more to worry about in the short A term vs. the long term.  It's really a sad situation, but I don't @ really know what to do about it.  I guess I could live with them? even raising OpenVMS OS prices slightly if they'd embark on an  < aggressive marketing campaign (TV ads, Wall Street Journal, A Billboards/Airport Ads, the whole 9 yards).  If they are going to 8 price it like a Rolex, they should market it like one...  I Of course, I feel there should be _some_ premium for the highly reliable, G unmatched scaleability of OpenVMS.  Unfortunately, the computer markets J are turning more to giving OS software away (practically) and making moneyE on applications and hardware.  Bob Palmer gutted DECs ability to make  money on applications.  M >In other words, if you buy a 8086 server with equivalent CPU power to a DS10 K >box, would Oracle charge more for the DS10 versus the 8086 based machine ?   E I think you'd find that Oracle would charge less apples-to-apples on  F the Intel machine running either NT or Linux, although I'm not sure of this.    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 20:56:49 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) ; Subject: Re: FW: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo) , Message-ID: <SGCrz35A2mKt@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  + In article <8q97j3$spv$1@lisa.gemair.com>,  4    jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:. > In article <39C81DA1.34526680@videotron.ca>,1 > JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >>P >>Does Oracle charge more for a VMS platform license than for an equivalent UNIX! >>or NT system platform licence ?  >> > N > Hmmm... The equivalent UNIX license is probably similarly priced, but last IJ > checked, and this was awhile back, there is _some_ discount on NT OracleN > licenses.  In the NT world, they compete with Microsoft SQL Server, so they # > have to price more competitively.  > H       From what I see on the Oracle store web page there's no differenceG if you are going for named users. If you go for "Universal Power Units" > then there's a 50% markup for RISC ( ie non-Intel ) platforms.   > N >>In other words, if you buy a 8086 server with equivalent CPU power to a DS10L >>box, would Oracle charge more for the DS10 versus the 8086 based machine ? > G > I think you'd find that Oracle would charge less apples-to-apples on  H > the Intel machine running either NT or Linux, although I'm not sure of > this.  > K    "Equivalent CPU power" is a tough thing to pin down. For better or worse R Oracle goes strictly on CPU clock speed. A DS10 (or Sun) Oracle license would costJ 50% more than the license for a Wintel box running at the same clock rate.  K     One can take this as either a backhanded way of making price cuts where G they must compete against Microsoft or a comment on Oracle's opinion of  Intel CPUs :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:32:54 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>" Subject: HSZ50 in Hobbyist Cluster6 Message-ID: <W5Xx5.480$F93.194695@typhoon.aracnet.com>  J It looks like I'm going to have on *loan* a very nice StorageWorks setup. K With at least two HSZ50's, a whole pile of RZ29-VW's, and two rack segments J of either 4 or 5 shelves each (can't remember which).  There are also whatH appear to be a something like the HSZ50's that are like SWX** something.  K The systems I've got at home which I can connect up to this hardware are asr follows:   DEC 3000/300LX AlphaStation 200 4/233J AlphaStation 500/333 (with both built in Wide SCSI and a Narrow SCSI card,G                       currently have two BA350's attached and a Exabytee 		      Jukebox attached)f	 PWS 433aur  H Since I don't really have room for both rack segments in my apartment myH plan is to put one of them in Storage along with the non-HSZ50's and any disks I don't use.    K Now, can I plug any of the above systems into the HSZ50's?  Looking throughiI the available documentation I was able to find on Compaq's FTP site I seerL that the only supported system is the DEC 3000 (though somehow I don't thinkK the 300LX is intended to be plugged into one).  My preference is either theEL AS200 or AS500, which ever is used will most likely have the Narrow SCSI PCI card placed in it.  K It looks like the HSZ50's have the HSOF V5.1 software on the PCMCIA cards. pK Are there any layered products or License PAK's needed on the VMS Box?  Oh,eJ is HSOF V5.1 and OpenVMS V7.2 a problem?  My last question at this time is7 what does the battery on the HSZ50 do, and is it vital?e   			Zaner   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:10:14 +0200oA From: "Juan Carlos Rodriguez" <juancarlos.rodriguez@terrassa.org>e. Subject: LAN Cluster and multiple LAN adapters, Message-ID: <8q8di2$t7r$1@diana.bcn.ttd.net>   Hi !!i  / We have an OpenVms Cluster with 3 AlphaServers.i  0 Two of them have a DSSI connection with a HSD30.K The other has a FC connection with a HSG80 and their disks are MSCP-served. L All of them have two Ethernet adapters each, and they are member of the same LAN.  ? Because the LAN SCS traffic is very high, we need to reduce it.p   The question is:I Can I isolate the SCS traffic using a HUB and one of the adapters of each- AlphaServer?E How can I get SCS traffic in one adapter and get the other SCS-free ?G     Thanks a lot   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 19:51:53 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: LAN Cluster and multiple LAN adapters6 Message-ID: <8q8g4p$p7a$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <8q8di2$t7r$1@diana.bcn.ttd.net>, "Juan Carlos Rodriguez" <juancarlos.rodriguez@terrassa.org> writes:0 :We have an OpenVms Cluster with 3 AlphaServers.  7   Which specific AlphaServer systems are involved here?u  1 :Two of them have a DSSI connection with a HSD30.8  2   Multi-host DSSI is a rather slow SCS connection.  L :The other has a FC connection with a HSG80 and their disks are MSCP-served.  3   How far apart are the systems physically located?   D   Would upgrading to multi-host SCSI and/or to Fibre Channel on all E   cluster member nodes be feasible?  (This approach will also reduce e   the SCS traffic on the LAN.)  E   Which implicitly also means at least one system is running a recentiE   OpenVMS Alpha release -- probably V7.2-1 or V7.2-1H1.  What versionn1   of OpenVMS Alpha is running on the other nodes?h  I :All of them have two Ethernet adapters each, and they are member of the e
 :same LAN.  3   Which specific Ethernet controller(s) are in use?   @ :Because the LAN SCS traffic is very high, we need to reduce it.  @   Are you seeing collisions?  (How do you know traffic is high?)   :The question is:hJ :Can I isolate the SCS traffic using a HUB and one of the adapters of each
 :AlphaServer?l  E   Each node that is a member of a cluster must have a direct path to eC   all other cluster members.  How it gets there isn't particularly  ,   interesting, so long as it is transparent.   F :How can I get SCS traffic in one adapter and get the other SCS-free ?  G   OpenVMS FAQ: MGMT47. Configuring Cluster SCS for path load balancing?   J   It might be appropriate and efficient to move to multi-host SCSI and/or I   to faster Ethernet technologies and/or to Fibre Channel in this cluster>   configuration.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:54:27 GMT 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)>2 Subject: Re: LAN Cluster and multiple LAN adapters& Message-ID: <G15xAs.GzD@world.std.com>  C "Juan Carlos Rodriguez" <juancarlos.rodriguez@terrassa.org> writes:    >Hi !!  0 >We have an OpenVms Cluster with 3 AlphaServers.  1 >Two of them have a DSSI connection with a HSD30.tL >The other has a FC connection with a HSG80 and their disks are MSCP-served.M >All of them have two Ethernet adapters each, and they are member of the samet >LAN.   @ >Because the LAN SCS traffic is very high, we need to reduce it.   >The question is:aJ >Can I isolate the SCS traffic using a HUB and one of the adapters of each
 >AlphaServer? F >How can I get SCS traffic in one adapter and get the other SCS-free ?    
 >Thanks a lot     J I'd suggest that you configure the systems so that one adapter on each areI connected to each other and the "outside world", and the other adapter onnH each are connected only to each other.  This is probably what you had inF mind.  If you leave it like this, the latency algorithm will move mostG (not all) the SCS traffic to the second set of adapters.  You can force1F the issue by using LAVC$STOP_BUS on the first set of adapters (it's inK SYS$EXAMPLES:LAVC$STOP_BUS.MAR/.EXE) which will remove SCS traffic from it.eH Keep in mind however that a failure of the second ethernet will kill theJ cluster, whereas if both adapters could be used the traffic would failover> transparently and it'd keep on chuggin' (a bit slower perhaps)   -Mike    ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2000 03:32:45 GMT/ From: Erik Ahlefeldt <oahlefel@metz.une.edu.au>e, Subject: LIB$FIND_FILE exclude method wanted, Message-ID: <8q9b4t$nog$1@gruvel.une.edu.au>  K  I have a program that uses LIB$FIND_FILE to return filenames that match a  N  wildcarded filename string. I would like to be able to exclude certain files M  from the search in the same way the DCL DIRECTORY command /EXCLUDE qualifierhL  does. My current approach is to do a separate LIB$FIND_FILE on the excludedK  filename string and then match the two sets of results - this looks like a-L  horrible kludge. Is there a better way to do this? Anybody know how the DCL,  commands like DIRECTORY and SEARCH do this?  Erik Ahlefeldt.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 19:50 CST<' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)r Subject: Re: LSE Startup Filet- Message-ID: <19SEP200019501784@gerg.tamu.edu>   a In article <39C72E67.35851537@jpmorgan.com>, Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> writes...,I }When I get into LSE I define my F7 key as "repeat 50 shift" , but I needi" }to do this each time I start LSE. } ( }As you can imagine its a bit of a pain. } G }Does anybody know if you can have an LSE startup file , similar to thee& }..exrc file you have for Vi in Unix ? } G }If there is then post any commands that you find useful to have in it.d }  }Thanks in advance.n  B In your LOGIN.COM file define the LSE$INITIALIZATION logical name:  2 $ Define LSE$Initialization Sys$Login:lse_init.lse  F Then, in the file name you just equated that to, you can have commandsE such as key definitions which are run every time you start LSE - hererF are a few that I use (the first is what you want, just change it to F7G and increse the repeat value to the one you prefer - I don't usually do-D things that are very wide so I set it to a small number of columns):   !S> ! F17 = shift screen in current direction, 4 columns per press ! C define key/Remark="Shift in current direction -CP"/Legend="Shift" -r, /Topic_String="Shift" "F17" "Repeat 4 Shift" !:7 ! f18 = read file into its own buffer, set to read-only  !W7 defion key/Remark="Goto File/Read"/Legend="View File" -1/ /Topic_String="View File" "F18" "Goto File/Readl ! ) ! GOLD-- (GOLD-<minus>) = set width to 80X !r; define key/Remark="Screen width 80 -CP"/Legend="Width 80" -P7 /Topic_String="Width 80" "GOLD/-" "set screen width=80"a !a) ! GOLD-+ (GOLD-<plus>) = set width to 132p !V= define key/Remark="Screen width 132 -CP"/Legend="Width 132" - 9 /Topic_String="Width 132" "GOLD/+" "set screen width=132"    --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Sep 2000 00:13:17 GMT' From: "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com>pH Subject: Microsoft SQL Server on Windows NT: OpenVMS tcp/ip connectivity0 Message-ID: <8q8vet$r46@dispatch.concentric.net>  K We need to know what products exist to enable a program on an OpenVMS AlphajI computer to connect and query a Microsoft SQL Server running on MicrosoftD Windows NT.I  : We have full database instances of both Oracle and Sybase.* We have Oracle OCI and Sybase dbLibrary/C., Is either sufficient to accomplish the task?  L What is needed for the TCP/IP networking connection to Microsoft Windows NT?  D Do we need a middleware product that has an OpenVMS and a Windows NT! component to accomplish the task?e  L Is it better to use an application API / RPC method or is it "better" to use6 some sort of self-developed TCP/IP messaging protocol?  : We would appreciate guidance through this discovery phase.  
 Thank you.   Jim Strehlow: jims@data911.com Data911o 2021 Challenger Dr Alameda CA 94501-10380 (510)865-9100 x44d   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:57:09 GMTr- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>oL Subject: Re: Microsoft SQL Server on Windows NT: OpenVMS tcp/ip connectivity: Message-ID: <9IVx5.1152$hD4.290958@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>  L Check out Attunity Connect (Formerly ISG)  product.  From VMS (VAX or ALPHA)J you can access anything.   Currently, I am getting MS-SQL 7.0 data from NTK on my VMS box, and also using the same product, accessing my Oracle CodasylS0 DBMS (formerly DEC DBMS) data from my Win 9x PC.  " Check out http://www.attunity.com/  ) If you want more, just drop me an e-mail.f   Dave      2 "Jim Strehlow" <jims@data911.com> wrote in message* news:8q8vet$r46@dispatch.concentric.net...G > We need to know what products exist to enable a program on an OpenVMSo AlphatK > computer to connect and query a Microsoft SQL Server running on MicrosoftM
 > Windows NT.  >1< > We have full database instances of both Oracle and Sybase., > We have Oracle OCI and Sybase dbLibrary/C.. > Is either sufficient to accomplish the task? >*J > What is needed for the TCP/IP networking connection to Microsoft Windows NT?= >0F > Do we need a middleware product that has an OpenVMS and a Windows NT# > component to accomplish the task?n > J > Is it better to use an application API / RPC method or is it "better" to usea8 > some sort of self-developed TCP/IP messaging protocol? >1< > We would appreciate guidance through this discovery phase. >t > Thank you. >:  > Jim Strehlow: jims@data911.com	 > Data911p > 2021 Challenger Dr > Alameda CA 94501-1038n > (510)865-9100 x44t >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 18:43:48 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Middleware for RMSa6 Message-ID: <8q8c54$ojg$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  g In article <8q7srj$8ui@news.nl.compuware.com>, "Chris Breemer" <chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com> writes:t  ? :Does there exist ODBC (or other middleware) to access RMS datar= :from a PC ? Can RMS be accessed by RDB (I know there is ODBC  :for RDB) ?p  G   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for some general details on acquiring and j&   using ODBC-related tools on OpenVMS.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:45:42 +0200rA From: "Juan Carlos Rodriguez" <juancarlos.rodriguez@terrassa.org>i Subject: Re: Middleware for RMS , Message-ID: <8q8fki$rmo$1@diana.bcn.ttd.net>   Hi,s  , There is a Compuware product called Uniface.I It's a 4GL and it can acces RMS, Oracle, Rdb, DB2, SQLServer, Sybase, etci ...  Look at www.compuware.com,   Bye.  A "Chris Breemer" <chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com> wrote in messageI( news:8q7srj$8ui@news.nl.compuware.com...	 > Hi all,r@ > Does there exist ODBC (or other middleware) to access RMS data> > from a PC ? Can RMS be accessed by RDB (I know there is ODBC > for RDB) ? >  > Thanks for any ideas.i >h >    Chris Breemer >  >y >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:49:17 -0700f! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comc Subject: Re: Middleware for RMSoC Message-ID: <OFC6776045.C2F24D3D-ON8825695F.0071C724@HEALTHNET.COM>   % Friends don't let friends do Uniface.i  I My experience with it is that it's great for initially creating a system,dI if you can design it around Uniface's idea of what an ideal system shouldgK be, and if you're not going to have to enhance it much thereafter. LayeringmG Uniface on top of an existing system designed around RMS will cause youtG untold grief and suffering. In a previous life we had several names forh9 Uniface, none of which were clean enough to mention here.   J Someone else mentioned CONNX. It's slow, but you'd expect that considering3 what it has to do. It does seem to do the job well.u   Shane           G Juan Carlos Rodriguez <juancarlos.rodriguez@terrassa.org> on 09/19/2000e 12:45:42 PMa   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:t    Subject:  Re: Middleware for RMS     Hi,o  , There is a Compuware product called Uniface.I It's a 4GL and it can acces RMS, Oracle, Rdb, DB2, SQLServer, Sybase, etc  ...k Look at www.compuware.com    Bye.  A "Chris Breemer" <chris_breemer@nl.compuware.com> wrote in message1( news:8q7srj$8ui@news.nl.compuware.com...	 > Hi all,s@ > Does there exist ODBC (or other middleware) to access RMS data> > from a PC ? Can RMS be accessed by RDB (I know there is ODBC > for RDB) ? >  > Thanks for any ideas.  >s >    Chris Breemer >  >o >n   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 19:12:00 GMT& From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>. Subject: Re: No more SYSDUMP.DMP? No more NTP?( Message-ID: <8q8dq0$ov$1@kadath.deep.it>  + Peter LANGSTOEGER <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote:>  H > I already saw the %CLI-E-NOCMDPROC error more than once and told here.  % Oh, ehr... I was at the toilette! O:)<  F > It happens in a cluster where you configured the service on one node  ; I have a single VAX, configured to NOT activate clustering.c  ? > and enabled it for the whole cluster. All systems missing the I > SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$xxx] service home directory (or some files like thed  & And SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP] is there.  5 Maybe that try to contact 127.0.0.1 is too premature?s  # > LOGIN.COM) will see this problem.i  A LOGIN.COM? The one in the user's home, or shoud be another one in  SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$NTP]?t  $ > Does this all make sense for you ?  E Actually, I'm try to make sense for the whole OpenVMS directory tree.U :)  H > can also have and run TCPIP V5.0A (with patch 5). It only depends on aM > kind soul lending a ConDist CD or sending a (zipped) kit per mail (requires>   Fine.d  2 	    AAA - kind soul with surplus ConDist wanted!  	    e :)  M > which still hasn't the V5.0A on. No problem for the next release of this CDhL > (whenever this happens) but then you might already want to see V5.1 on it.  - Not too bad, in the meantime I'll use SSH... t   	criptingly, 	   Cthulhus 	  -- e  G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!t# 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:51:24 GMT - From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>h Subject: Re: OpenVMS: Message-ID: <MCVx5.1147$hD4.287683@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>  G At the CAMUS 2000 conference in Boston, Compaq gave a presentaion whichMJ stated..."We are oin the process of getting certified for the DOD (I thinkK that's the right terminology)   This certification requires at least 15 (orl$ 10) years of continues VMS support."  L I think that says it all!  I forgot if it was 10 or 15, but either way, it's a good sign.   Dave6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF361308C6.00AFF88C-ON8325695E.0040A133@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br... Hi people !!!!  D I am new in this mailing list and I am reading the discussions about OpenVMS return.eK I am from Brazil and we have a good base of VMS / OpenVMS installations and31 a few companies are buying OpenVMS systems now...r  + I would like to  know from you two things ?3  H 1 - What do you expect from OpenVMS in the future ? (features, products, technology, Java, etc ....)r  J 2 - What are the most important produtcs running in OpenVMS for you ? (ex.! Raxco, Oracle, Advsyscon, etc...)   K PS: Do you know if theres SAP for OpenVMS ??????  OpenVMS should be a good' Oracle+SAP box !!!!!   Regardsl  
 Fabio Cardoso  Analista de Suporteo   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 12:21:52 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)e3 Subject: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo)h, Message-ID: <Kvkp$byCuSJR@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  C In article <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61F7@and02.drc.com>,  /     "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> writes:M > J > Dropping it, no.  Pricing it (and Oracle Oracle) out of the market, yes.> > See the current issue of Computerworld.  For your amusement: > J > Alphaserver           System list price (VMS)          Oracle Enterprise > costE > DS10/DS10L                    $7k                              $70k1E > DS20e (2cpu)                 $40k                             $200ko# > ES40 (4cpu)                 $100kl > $400kpE > GS320 (32cpu)              $2000k                            $3500k  > $ > And you thought VMS was expensive? > G     I suspect very few sites actually need Oracle "Enterprise" edition,tE most of the commonly used features are available in Oracle "Standard"oC edition, which is a whole lot cheaper. Using "Universal Power Unit"a/ pricing ( and no discounts ) a DS10 would cost:r  0    466MHz * 1.5 Risc Multiplier * $15 = $10,485.  >    Still quite a bit relative to the cost of a DS10, but a lot    better than $70K.  %    A 2 CPU  (500Mhz) DS20 would cost:S  (         2 * 500MHz * 1.5 * $15 = $22,500      A 4 CPU ES40 would be  &     4 * 667(?)MHz * 1.5 * 15 = $60,030    >    Standard edition is not offered on boxes larger than ES40s.  D    There's also "named user pricing". The $3.5 million price tag for= the GS320 would buy 17,500 "named" users of Standard edition.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:52:40 +0400 4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>7 Subject: Re: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo) 4 Message-ID: <1465843170.20000920095240@ncc.volga.ru>  @ On 19.09.2000 Malcolm Dunnett <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote:  E > In article <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A61F7@and02.drc.com>, t1 >     "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> writes:l >> sK >> Dropping it, no.  Pricing it (and Oracle Oracle) out of the market, yes.(? >> See the current issue of Computerworld.  For your amusement:  >> hK >> Alphaserver           System list price (VMS)          Oracle Enterprise  >> costeF >> DS10/DS10L                    $7k                              $70kF >> DS20e (2cpu)                 $40k                             $200k$ >> ES40 (4cpu)                 $100k >> $400kF >> GS320 (32cpu)              $2000k                            $3500k >> S% >> And you thought VMS was expensive?u >> .I >     I suspect very few sites actually need Oracle "Enterprise" edition,eG > most of the commonly used features are available in Oracle "Standard" E > edition, which is a whole lot cheaper. Using "Universal Power Unit"l1 > pricing ( and no discounts ) a DS10 would cost:s  2 >    466MHz * 1.5 Risc Multiplier * $15 = $10,485. [snip]  B     Bad news if you are going to use Oracle RDB - there is not RDB6 "Standart" edition - only "Enterprise". So you'll need  2      466MHz * 1.5 Risc Multiplier * $100 = $69,900 for DS10. Sigh.m   --     Valentin Likoumi   valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 06:49:57 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>7 Subject: Re: Oracle Pricing ( was RE: Compaq VMS promo) - Message-ID: <39C841F5.6F2B9A91@volkswagen.de>a   ...a  I >     I suspect very few sites actually need Oracle "Enterprise" edition,4G > most of the commonly used features are available in Oracle "Standard"cE > edition, which is a whole lot cheaper. Using "Universal Power Unit"o1 > pricing ( and no discounts ) a DS10 would cost:. > 2 >    466MHz * 1.5 Risc Multiplier * $15 = $10,485. > @ >    Still quite a bit relative to the cost of a DS10, but a lot >    better than $70K. > ' >    A 2 CPU  (500Mhz) DS20 would cost:n > * >         2 * 500MHz * 1.5 * $15 = $22,500 >  >    A 4 CPU ES40 would be > ( >     4 * 667(?)MHz * 1.5 * 15 = $60,030 > @ >    Standard edition is not offered on boxes larger than ES40s. > F >    There's also "named user pricing". The $3.5 million price tag for? > the GS320 would buy 17,500 "named" users of Standard edition.d  F Here in germany RDB is sold only as "Enterprise Edition" and therefore quite expensive.   -- e  - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regardse   Karl Rohwedder               ,C iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig hA Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843hE  E-Mail: rohwedder@decus.decus.de           | iT-IngTeam@t-online.de c+          karl.rohwedder@it-ingenieurteam.deu DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:49:05 -0400w" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem ; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20000919134738.01c81190@24.8.96.48>h  ; At 02:17 PM 9/19/00 -0300, becherini@vortex.ufrgs.br wrote:l> >  In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000919090241.01c96880@24.8.96.48>,( >    Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> wrote:3 >  > At 11:55 AM 9/19/00 +0000, Mr. Poologic wrote:l? >  > >I am trying to UNZIP the Perl pre-built .ZIP file.  I get = >  > >end of file and disk full messsages.   Does anyone havea! >  > >some ideas why I get those.  >  >I >  > Because your disk is full? That would seem to be the likely cause...  >  > >eI >  The disk has space.  I checked the file sizes with UNZIP informationalX >  parameters.  J Are you sure? Just because it looks like there's enough space there still L might not be. There are a lot of little files in the perl distribution, and J if the cluster size on your drive's big enough you'll end up eating a lot % more space than you think you should.   J Regardless, try fetching a newer version of unzip and see if that gets it  working.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------D2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and eveno;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 18:56:38 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: PERL/UNZIP Problema6 Message-ID: <8q8ct6$oom$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000919134738.01c81190@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes:K :Are you sure? Just because it looks like there's enough space there still IM :might not be. There are a lot of little files in the perl distribution, and hK :if the cluster size on your drive's big enough you'll end up eating a lot  & :more space than you think you should.  G   That's one way.  The other -- and somewhat less obvious way -- is to uG   simply run out of the contiguous disk storage necessary for creating I6   or for extending structures such as directory files.   	--s  H   Can somebody pull together a submission for the OpenVMS Freeware that G   contains the current/latest Zip kit for OpenVMS?  (The version of Zip"E   included on the present Freeware distribution needs to be updated.)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:04:32 +0000r- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>T Subject: Re: PERL/UNZIP Problems. Message-ID: <39C7B8C0.D23D90BA@fsi.net.mapson>   "Mr. Poologic" wrote:  > ; > I am trying to UNZIP the Perl pre-built .ZIP file.  I getT9 > end of file and disk full messsages.   Does anyone have  > some ideas why I get those.- > 4 > I have run UNZIP informationals on the file and it< > looks fine.  The "disk full" messages could be due to disk6 > fragmentation, but I doubt it.  I could compress the > disk and try again.e  F The end-of-file message could indicate corruption in the .ZIP archive.F Does UNZIP complain when you UNZIP/LIST[/FULL] or UNZIP -V ? What doesG DIRECTORY/FULL of the .ZIP archive show as the record format? It shouldbD be Fixed-512. If it shows as STREAM or STREAM_LF, and UNZIP does notD complain about the archive format when listing the contents, then itE should be o.k. If it shows as anything else, scrap it and download itd+ again taking care to download it as BINARY.d  C Otherwise, please heed Dan's advice about clustersize on the targetpE disk. When you're unpacking lots of "little" files, it's REAL easy toeD have a large clustersize eat up your freespace before you thought it would be exhausted.h   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------   Date: 19 SEP 2000 19:43:17 GMT6 From: greenwoodde@feda34.fed.ornl.gov (Dave Greenwood) Subject: Re: PERL/UNZIP Probleme2 Message-ID: <19SEP00.19431781@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  3 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:W >  sb > In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000919134738.01c81190@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes:M > :Are you sure? Just because it looks like there's enough space there still aO > :might not be. There are a lot of little files in the perl distribution, and oM > :if the cluster size on your drive's big enough you'll end up eating a lot y( > :more space than you think you should. >   I >   That's one way.  The other -- and somewhat less obvious way -- is to aI >   simply run out of the contiguous disk storage necessary for creating 48 >   or for extending structures such as directory files.  D Although both Dan and Hoff make good observations, I'll vote for theD suggestion that the problem is an out-of-date copy of UNZIP.  EitherH that or there's some really weird bug in zip/unzip/VMS.  I had a similarG problem recently but it was with a zip file I had created that had onlyoA 3 or 4 files.  Unzip created the 1st file or 2 but then "hung".  nD Checking from another terminal showed unzip was creating a humongousF (sp?) file - far bigger than the original.  I tried several times with@ the same result.  I finally destroyed the zip file and ftp'd theF original files individually.  I just checked and the build date of theF zip I used (and therefore undoubtably the version) was newer than that
 of the unzip.h   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:05:35 GMTz- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)l Subject: Re: PERL/UNZIP Problem50 Message-ID: <39c84483.56108249@swen.process.com>  B On 19 SEP 2000 19:43:17 GMT, greenwoodde@feda34.fed.ornl.gov (Dave Greenwood) wrote:t  4 >hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote: >>   >SE >Although both Dan and Hoff make good observations, I'll vote for the = >suggestion that the problem is an out-of-date copy of UNZIP.e  E Yes, and here's why.  Info-ZIP added support for saving and restoring-B VMS file attributes to ZIP many years ago---long before PKware hadF support for that.  Versions of Info-ZIP up to Zip V2.1, I think (maybe= V2.0) used the Info-ZIP method of saving VMS file attributes.e  D A couple or four years ago, PKware decided to add VMS file attributeA saving to PKZIP, but, naturally, they didn't want to use what had8E already been in place for years in Info-ZIP.  With Zip V2.1, Info-ZIPc; began supporting the new, PKware-style method of saving the > attributes.  Unfortunately, this presents a problem with olderE versions of UnZip, which don't understand the new format, and tend tosF do things like translate one of the fields as a huge file size and try/ to allocate all the space on your default disk.a  ? The solution is to use UnZip V5.2 or higher (v5.41 is current).   F You can always find the latest Zip and UnZip for VMS on FTP.WKU.EDU inA [.VMS.FILESERV] as ZIP.ZIP, UNZIP.ZIP, and UNZIP.BCK (and the WKU:	 mirrors).f   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/g: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:07:06 GMTt- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)d Subject: Re: PERL/UNZIP Problemf0 Message-ID: <39c845a8.56401511@swen.process.com>  @ On 19 Sep 2000 18:56:38 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:p > I >  Can somebody pull together a submission for the OpenVMS Freeware that fH >  contains the current/latest Zip kit for OpenVMS?  (The version of ZipF >  included on the present Freeware distribution needs to be updated.) >s> The latest kits can be found on FTP.WKU.EDU in [.VMS.FILESERV]? as ZIP.ZIP, UNZIP.ZIP, and UNZIP.BCK for those without an UNZIPo already.  D I intend to include these in the list I send to you, which I hope to do soon.....   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/m: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 18:49:28 GMT0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)> Subject: RE: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation* Message-ID: <8q8cfo$q5m@usenet.pa.dec.com>  B One other thing to try is 'ctrl-shift-reload' which is supposed toE go directly to the web site and grab a fresh page irregardless of then) status in your cache or the proxy cache.    R Or try the alternate access to the page via http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/....J rather than the :8000 port. Again the page might not be in the intervining proxy server cache.   B If it gets to be a real problem I could 'touch' every page so thatH proxy servers will think they are new and blow away the cache copies butE if the proxy server is truncating then that won't help and will causes alot of extra bandwidth usage.   -warren  --  B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comB 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875I6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself /           Read http://www.openvms.digital.com/ $B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:58:55 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e> Subject: RE: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation0 Message-ID: <009F05DA.FA04BEA6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <8q8cfo$q5m@usenet.pa.dec.com>, sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes:b > C >One other thing to try is 'ctrl-shift-reload' which is supposed toy  H I have a [CRTL] key and I have a [SHIFT] -- in fact, one on the left andH one on the right -- but I have never seen a keyboard with any key marked	 [RELOAD].t   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            -O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.v   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 20:11:03 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: RE: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation6 Message-ID: <8q8h8n$pcq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <009F05DA.FA04BEA6@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:^ :In article <8q8cfo$q5m@usenet.pa.dec.com>, sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes:     enet?.  D :>One other thing to try is 'ctrl-shift-reload' which is supposed to :1I :I have a [CRTL] key and I have a [SHIFT] -- in fact, one on the left and!I :one on the right -- but I have never seen a keyboard with any key markedp
 :[RELOAD].  K   No [reload] key?  Not using a Texas- or New Hampshire-specific keyboard, 3L   I see.  Whoops, sorry, wrong antecedent. :-)   Seriously, the browser has J   a reload key.  Quoting from the Netscape help: "If you press the Reload N   button while holding down the Shift key (Option key on Macintosh), Netscape L   retrieves a fresh version from the network regardless of whether the page M   has been updated.  The cache is not used. This type of reload is useful if e<   you suspect the cached copy of a page has been corrupted."  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:34:39 GMTl- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>0> Subject: Re: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation( Message-ID: <39C7CDDE.1AF50080@ohio.edu>  [ I thought he meant to hold the control and shift keys down and then while holding them downr4 click on the reload button on the browser's toolbar.  [ On Mac Netscape, I think it is option and reload that does the trick, but I haven't done an ) exhaustive study of all the combinations.                    RDP$    & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  _ > In article <8q8cfo$q5m@usenet.pa.dec.com>, sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes:  > > E > >One other thing to try is 'ctrl-shift-reload' which is supposed toe >fJ > I have a [CRTL] key and I have a [SHIFT] -- in fact, one on the left andJ > one on the right -- but I have never seen a keyboard with any key marked > [RELOAD].U >g > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  > Q > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.D   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:42:30 GMTu= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)-> Subject: RE: Problems with the OpenVms web-based documentation0 Message-ID: <009F05E9.72A6CCC8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <8q8h8n$pcq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  >1q >In article <009F05DA.FA04BEA6@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:7_ >:In article <8q8cfo$q5m@usenet.pa.dec.com>, sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) writes:  >i >  enet?  H Puzzling, eh?  However, his address doesn't work making it a rather good SPAM deterent.   >aE >:>One other thing to try is 'ctrl-shift-reload' which is supposed to  >:J >:I have a [CRTL] key and I have a [SHIFT] -- in fact, one on the left andJ >:one on the right -- but I have never seen a keyboard with any key marked >:[RELOAD].  >0L >  No [reload] key?  Not using a Texas- or New Hampshire-specific keyboard, M >  I see.  Whoops, sorry, wrong antecedent. :-)   Seriously, the browser has e  J :)  Nope, my keyboards all say d|i|g|i|t|a|l with some variant of LK4%% onH them.  That being the case, I can press its [shift-lock] and type upper-J case EVEN WHILE ALSO HOLDING DOWN THE [shift] KEY!  I can press the [Hold]J key and expect the output to cease and not receive: %RMS-W-BES, bad escapeK sequence.  I can use EDT's delete/undelete word!  My alternate keypad [PF1]oJ actually performs some function greater than enabling the LED which reads:K Num Nutz!  It doesn't "click".  It doesn't rattle.  And... I can type in a oF <space> by depressing the [SPACE BAR] *ANYWHERE* along its length!!!    H I recently purchased TEN (10) spare LK461(x6) and LK46W(x4) just in caseJ some MGM penned up from reality in some mahogany panelled martini guzzlingJ chamber deep within Compaq has a brain fart and decides to discontinue the1 production/sale of quality, useable keyboards... w  K >  a reload key.  Quoting from the Netscape help: "If you press the Reload  O >  button while holding down the Shift key (Option key on Macintosh), Netscape aM >  retrieves a fresh version from the network regardless of whether the page  N >  has been updated.  The cache is not used. This type of reload is useful if = >  you suspect the cached copy of a page has been corrupted."e  I It's the way Warren wrote it.  It looked more like the familiar Micro$oft 2 solution to all software anomillies: ctrl-alt-del.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            oO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:54:29 -0400i* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com> Subject: Re: Quantum Fireball?, Message-ID: <8q8neq$ddci$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  L I seem to remember that the Multia had some strange SCSI termination issues.E I believe there is even a console environment varible to control SCSI3 termination.  Try  >>>show scsi*  or >>>show pk*4  E to see if a console environment varible exist to control termination.c  E Also check your SCSI cables and be sure they are properly terminated.E    L                                                                                              -Paul@        , "dls2" <dlshearer@home.com> wrote in message5 news:Lptx5.80828$e11.562125@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... 3 > I have a Quantum Fireball (SCSI) HDD which I havew6 > attached to a multia/UDB, in the hopes of being able6 > to install OpenVMS Hobbyist thereon.  Unfortunately,9 > I can't proceed with the installation, because the disk>3 > drive does not seem to be detected.  I am able to 0 > detect DAD* (virtual devices?), DKA600 (CD-ROM9 > drive), and DVA0 (floppy drive), but not the harddrive.  > 5 > Any suggestions as to what I might be able to do inh6 > order to resolve the problem of an undetected drive? >c >  > appreciatively,  >   --  Derrick Shearerp >m >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:56:29 GMT + From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com>l- Subject: Re: Serial line programming questionc) Message-ID: <8q8gd1$c0t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>l  . In article <m3lmwoedvc.fsf@cs72168.pp.htv.fi>,)   costello@iki.fi (Antti Jarvinen) wrote:n > Dear Sirs, >n@ > I've been blessed with smallish programming task to be done in OpenVMS 7.2-E > and in C language. Having mostly unix background I've been stuck to % > problem I can't find an answer from.# http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/y > and it is like this:( >  I need to read and write serial port.  H You need the terminal driver section of the I/O User's Reference Manual.  # > What I've used to do (in unix) isaE >  to open the port with open(), wait for the port to became readable$? >  with select() and then read with read(). It seems like doing0/ >  fd = open("TTA0:", O_SYNC|O_RDWR|O_NOCTTY) ;@A >  is ok in VMS too, as is read(). But select keeps on telling me'G >  something like "select():socket operation on non-socket" so it seemslE >  that I can't use select for other files than real sockets while ons VMS..o  8 Correct, select() doesn't work on terminal lines in VMS.  E > Here: how do I check if there is anything to read from the TTA0: or  > whatever without blocking?  5 Use the IO$M_TYPEAHDCNT subfunction of IO$_SENSEMODE.I  / > It seems like there is something like sys$qioi (horrible,number,of,arguments)H > that might do the trick, is there any good examples, simple ones, thatG > would do something similar to reading a serial port and being able toh have0 > a time-out in that reading of nothing appears?  ! Here's a simple example program:-e   #include <stdio.h> #include <string.h>  #include <descrip.h> #include <dvidef.h>r #include <dcdef.h> #include <iodef.h> #include <ttdef.h> #include <tt2def.h>1   struct { 	  char	    class; 	  char	    type;n 	  short     width;T 	  unsigned  basic_length; 	  unsigned  extended; } set = { DC$_TERM,t 	  0,> 	  511,P@ 	  TT$M_NOECHO|(255u<<24)|TT$M_LOWER|TT$M_EIGHTBIT|TT$M_MECHFORM/     		|TT$M_MECHTAB|TT$M_NOBRDCST|TT$M_PASSALL,s9 	  TT2$M_DMA|TT2$M_ALTYPEAHD|TT2$M_PASTHRU|TT2$M_SETSPEED  	};    main(int argc, char *argv[]) {t# unsigned short io_channel, iosb[4];i+ char outbuf[256], inbuf[256], dspbuf[1000];g8 static const unsigned terminators[2] = { 0, 1 << '\n' }; static char ftname[20];-" static $DESCRIPTOR(ftdes, ftname);  9     ftdes.dsc$w_length = strlen(strcpy(ftname, argv[1]));P-     SYS$ASSIGN(&ftdes, &io_channel, 0, NULL);/E     SYS$QIOW(10, io_channel, IO$_SETMODE, iosb, NULL, 0, &set, sizeofd (set),1 			TT$C_BAUD_9600, 0, TT$M_ALTRPAR | TT$M_PARITY,t 0);p     for(;;)e5       {	if (gets(outbuf) == NULL)		/* Get a prompt */u 	    break; 4 	SYS$QIOW(10, io_channel, IO$_READPROMPT|IO$M_PURGE,& 		iosb, NULL, 0, inbuf, sizeof(inbuf),* 		0, terminators, outbuf, strlen(outbuf));? 	printf("%u %u %u %u %s\n", iosb[0], iosb[1], iosb[2], iosb[3],s* 		dspstr(dspbuf, inbuf, iosb[1]+iosb[3]));       }c     SYS$DASSGN(io_channel);a }b    F The program takes the terminal name, e.g. TTA2: from its command line,E SYS$ASSIGNs a channel to it, sets it to passall mode, 9600 baud, evenoF parity using SYS$QIOW's IO$_SETMODE option, and repeatedly prompts forF input on the terminal, reading a reply until inbuf is full or linefeed (ctrl/J) is pressed.  F It is left as an exercise for the reader of the I/O Drivers and SystemD Services manuals to work out what it all does, and to write a dspstr@ (char *out, char *in, int length) function, returning out, whichE formats the string with non-printing characters displayed (replace itdF with strncpy for a quick test). See ttdef.h and tt2def.h for bit fieldD structs which may be more useful than my "set" if you want to fiddle with individual options.  D Odd notes: (a) you may need PHY_IO or LOG_IO privilege to change the) speed of a terminal, (b) it should be SET G SECURITY/CLASS=DEVICE/PROTECTION=W:RWLP before non-privileged users can B access it, (c) certain characters with bit 7 set get translated toC escape sequences unless line editing is off, (d) with TTSYNC or itsrG relations set, the terminal driver may eat XONs and XOFFs, (e) increasee> SYSGEN paramater MAXBUF and/or enable (alternative) type-aheadE buffering if you are expecting long messages, and (f) DECserver linesi# ignore many of the SETMODE options.    Chrisi    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:49:51 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Re: Serial line programming questions, Message-ID: <39C817B9.B0A2B072@videotron.ca>   "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:h > J > It might also be appropriate to use the DCL command ALLOCATE before, and > DEALLOCATE after.n  L Not only this, but also set the desired terminal characteristics with te SET TERMINAL command.   M Also, define a logical that points to the terminal, and use that logical nameuM in your program. This way you need not change program if you change the port.>   ex:1   $ALLOC TTA0:F $SET TERM TTA0:/SPEED=9600/EIGHTBIT/NOTTSYNC/NOHOSTSYNC/TYPAHD/PASTHRU $DEFINE MYPORT TTA0:   and in your program:  ! $DESCRIPTOR(mypost_desc,"MYPORT")d  1 status = SYS$ASSIGN(&mypost_desc,&mychannel,0,0);g    ? The I/O USER'S GUIDE has a full section on the terminal driver.d  H Note: the terminator mask allows you to specify which received characterL terminates the I/O. The number of characters BEFORE the terminator is storedN in the IO status block , as well as the number of characters in the terminator1 (so total number received is count + terminator).r  I The big advantage of the terminal driver with $QIO is that you can easilyaN include a timeout, so your program need not get stuck if something goes wrong.  M So an READ I/O can terminate when enough characters are received to fill yoru G buffer, when any of the specificed characters in th eterminator mask iso4 received, or when the operation fails (timeout etc).  N The ability for a QIO to call a routine in AST mode whenever tyhe IO completesH allows your program to do all sorts of stuff while it is waiting for the serial data to be received.h  H My only question for the gurus: How come the TCPIP programming interface doesn't support TIMEOUTS ?   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 19:36 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)l* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist- Message-ID: <19SEP200019363044@gerg.tamu.edu>l  * Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes...E }be missplaced everytime. Come on, Sun should be able to design theremB }Enterprise Server much better, so that this system shutdown early }  }Regards Rudolf Wingert.  C As I recall, Sun didn't design the ES10000 - they bought the designf	 from SGI.w  C If Compaq (or anybody else than Sun) were selling it instead of SunFD and tried to run VMS (or anything else) on it, I bet his position onD how good the system is, the severity of the problems it has, and the< importance of those problems, would be completely different.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:19:45 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist< Message-ID: <RgUx5.83062$NH2.662531@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:19SEP200019363044@gerg.tamu.edu...-, > Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes...G > }be missplaced everytime. Come on, Sun should be able to design therelD > }Enterprise Server much better, so that this system shutdown early > }t > }Regards Rudolf Wingerth > E > As I recall, Sun didn't design the ES10000 - they bought the designw > from SGI.r  K Correct. And IIRC SGI inherited the design from Cray. Quite a coup on Sun's J part, and a Real Dumb Mistake on the part of SGI. As Scott McNealy put it,H "SGI launched a nuclear missile (with the sale of the Cray technology at; fire sale prices) that will land right in SGI's back yard."    >eE > If Compaq (or anybody else than Sun) were selling it instead of Sun F > and tried to run VMS (or anything else) on it, I bet his position onF > how good the system is, the severity of the problems it has, and the> > importance of those problems, would be completely different. >-  I Problems notwithstanding, Sun has managed to sell over 3K of these boxes.p$ Not an insignificant accomplishment.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Sep 2000 22:05:47 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) * Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <8q961r$rb8$1@lisa.gemair.com>  < In article <RgUx5.83062$NH2.662531@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,3 Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  >-5 >"Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message:( >news:19SEP200019363044@gerg.tamu.edu...- >> Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes...PH >> }be missplaced everytime. Come on, Sun should be able to design thereE >> }Enterprise Server much better, so that this system shutdown earlys >> } >> }Regards Rudolf Wingert >>F >> As I recall, Sun didn't design the ES10000 - they bought the design >> from SGI. > L >Correct. And IIRC SGI inherited the design from Cray. Quite a coup on Sun'sK >part, and a Real Dumb Mistake on the part of SGI. As Scott McNealy put it,]I >"SGI launched a nuclear missile (with the sale of the Cray technology atT< >fire sale prices) that will land right in SGI's back yard." >e  @ You know, you often hear of that as being a bad move on the part? of SGI, but seeing of all the problems you hear about the E10KsaA (and I heard some real horror stories back in 1998-1999 when theyVC were first fielded, and apparently, many of the problems continue),u( it might have been a smart move for SGI.  > SGI may have known then that they just couldn't capitalize the< testing and production of the line, that their selling CraysC would have been sniped at by the other vendors as a super-computer,  niche market line, etc.i  > This way SGI got something out of the deal and it all went to > making Unix Servers more credible as a market force.  In a wayC that could help SGI too.  They decided to retreat into workstations 	 anyway...      >[F >> If Compaq (or anybody else than Sun) were selling it instead of SunG >> and tried to run VMS (or anything else) on it, I bet his position onaG >> how good the system is, the severity of the problems it has, and thel? >> importance of those problems, would be completely different.c >> >,J >Problems notwithstanding, Sun has managed to sell over 3K of these boxes.% >Not an insignificant accomplishment.c >e  > I doubt that SGI could have sold anywhere near as many...  No  matter how good they were.   >c   -Jordan Henderson- jordan@greenapple.comr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:18:09 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist< Message-ID: <B7Vx5.83090$NH2.663884@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  < "Jordan Henderson" <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message$ news:8q961r$rb8$1@lisa.gemair.com...> > In article <RgUx5.83062$NH2.662531@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,5 > Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  > >eL > >Problems notwithstanding, Sun has managed to sell over 3K of these boxes.' > >Not an insignificant accomplishment.  > >' >o? > I doubt that SGI could have sold anywhere near as many...  No  > matter how good they were. >e  E Compaq could learn a lesson from this:  IT'S THE MARKETING, STUPID!!!@  D Incidentally, sources close to Charlie Matco indicate that CPQ's newI marketing campaign will launch on Monday next. Scrabble players, rejoice:e you get your letter "Q" back!c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:52:50 -0500a) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> D Subject: Re: TCP/IP based program hung apparently when run detached./ Message-ID: <ssg5vogh4sq127@corp.supernews.com>e  0 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.network> wrote0  in message news:39c5ded9$1@news.kapsch.co.at...1 > In article <ss76fdd1h3t182@corp.supernews.com>, 1 > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> writes:@2 > >I am trying to diagnose a problem with a TCP/IP > >program that is not working./ > >a > >The platform: > >  > >OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 (Multia)- > >TCPIP 5.0 > >DEC C 6.0 >e? > My suggestion is upgrade to V7.2-1 (better with all 10 ECOs),e? > TCPIP V5.0A (with PTRV50A-05 patch !!) and maybe DEC C V6.2A.s >d4 > TCPIP V5.0 is being known for very nasty problems.  G The instructions on how to put V7.2-1 on a Multia have just been postedx2 recently, and I have not had a chance to try them.  I I have not found the cause of the program going into the RWAST state, butnJ the original problem appears to be that an NT Workstation browsing serviceF has failed for unknown reasons, causing some interesting side effects.  J I do plan to do an upgrade after I get SAMBA 2.0.6 for VMS in a releasable form.r   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:55:40 GMTL- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)h" Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.0 complaints0 Message-ID: <39c84231.55514014@swen.process.com>  A On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:27:50 -0500 (CDT), sms@antinode.org wrote:m  F >   Using "DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0 on aA >AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.2" (the hobbyist kit).d >gH >>   Using a (super-modern V3.0, c. 1997) Attachmate PathWay FTP client: >s4 >*get big_file      [Then hit CTRL/T a few times...] >[...]. >Receiving file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BIG_FILE.;E >Elapsed time 00:00:03.41, 65024 bytes transferred (~18.62 KB/second)s. >Receiving file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BIG_FILE.;F >Elapsed time 00:00:08.00, 195072 bytes transferred (~23.81 KB/second). >Receiving file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]BIG_FILE.;F >Elapsed time 00:00:11.14, 260096 bytes transferred (~22.80 KB/second) >eC You might try MGFTP running on top of TCP/IP Services.  In addition A to supporting STRU O VMS, it has (for years now) supported CTRL-Ta- and CTRL-A with even more useful information:o  * [sending file dka600:[hunter]x.x;1 to X.X]E 46970992 bytes (91741/102736 blocks), 89%, in 01:31:09.31 = 8558 cps,n IO=22936* Estimated time remaining:    0 00:10:55.00  ( ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/mgftp.zip4 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/mgftp.zip     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/n: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:06:44 -0400y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o! Subject: Re: Telnet configurationr, Message-ID: <39C81BAD.A26CD92F@videotron.ca>   Veli K=F6rkk=F6 wrote: > =e  G > $ define/system/exec sys$announce "New text to be displayed just upon  > USERNAME:" > =(   > or > =)  B > $ define/system/exec sys$announce "@sys$manager:Just_before.TXT" > =t    J I looked at the manual but couldn't find one easily. Is there a logical f= orJ TELNET that would supercede sys$announce ? (eg: a different sys$announce = form/ inbound telnet session versus local terminals ?e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:21:06 GMTa" From: greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.ukB Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)3 Message-ID: <39d110ed.6066996@news.cableinet.co.uk>l  > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:40:08 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>	 sprachen:c  B >Hmmm...  To the extent that ballistic missiles alter their courseC >using rockets etc, they aren't really ballistic, since they aren't 
 >projectiles.     D Ballistic missiles are ballistic. They use rockets to launch them upF through the against-gravity part of the parabola, then point downwardsC and free-fall towards the earth in a curve. This means that, by thebF time they're close enough to see, they're going far too fast to stop.   B The word comes from "balista", a medieval siege-machine that was aF sort-of crossbow, with a ratchet on it, that could be pushed back withE the belly, using the weight of the entire body. Then you released the % ratchet and it would fire it's arrow.b  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  H if love is a drug, then, ideally, it's a healing, healthful drug... it's@ kind of like prozac is supposed to work (without the sexual side5 effects and long-term damage to the brain and psyche)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:16:36 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>B Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)6 Message-ID: <1000920001344.11597B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  7 On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk wrote:   @ > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:40:08 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> > sprachen:. > D > >Hmmm...  To the extent that ballistic missiles alter their courseE > >using rockets etc, they aren't really ballistic, since they aren'to > >projectiles.R >  > F > Ballistic missiles are ballistic. They use rockets to launch them upH > through the against-gravity part of the parabola, then point downwardsE > and free-fall towards the earth in a curve. This means that, by theOH > time they're close enough to see, they're going far too fast to stop.   B Well, yes, in theory, but in practical terms, they alter course toB keep on target, release decoys, etc.  Probably up until about 19650 or so (MIRV's, etc.) they really were ballistic.  D > The word comes from "balista", a medieval siege-machine that was aH > sort-of crossbow, with a ratchet on it, that could be pushed back withG > the belly, using the weight of the entire body. Then you released the ' > ratchet and it would fire it's arrow.l > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > J > if love is a drug, then, ideally, it's a healing, healthful drug... it'sB > kind of like prozac is supposed to work (without the sexual side7 > effects and long-term damage to the brain and psyche)>   -- u John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:23:02 GMT1 From: kparris@my-deja.coml, Subject: Re: what path does clustering use??) Message-ID: <8q8ovg$mp4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  &   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:E >   There is no such thing as a "SCSI cluster", and I personally wishM@ >   that particular terminology never escaped outside of OpenVMS >   Engineering.  G In the early VMS development work in this area, it was anticipated thatnD SCS communications would be implemented over SCSI interconnects.  InD fact, a bit of host-to-host communications occurs in "SCSI Clusters"F today -- when VMS boots, the hosts on a SCSI bus communicate enough toF make sure each has the same device naming for a shared SCSI bus.  ThisD is done by allowing the host SCSI adapter to be the Target of a SCSI2 transaction, whereas it is normally the Initiator.  @ Presumably due to difficult technical challenges, this was neverE extended to general host-to-host communications using SCS, either foroA parallel SCSI or for SCSI protocol over Fibrechannel.  (Compaq nofE longer exercises the degree of control over hardware designs that DEC E did with CI or DSSI; it now has to pick from the available SCSI or FC G adapters that other vendors make.  If those adapters lack a feature VMSrG Clusters could really use (or the feature is there but it doesn't quiteIC work right, and no one else in the industry uses the feature), it'sy tough luck.)  A The original target for SCSI Clusters was the customer making theiF transition from 1 standalone node to a 2-node cluster; the idea was toC provide an affordable entry point while still providing many of the G advantages of clusters.  It was recognized at the time that there wouldsF be some definite drawbacks in using industry-standard SCSI technology.G But having to do without SCS-over-SCSI wasn't originally intended to beh one of those drawbacks.)G -----------------------------------------------------------------------lG Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospameF VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.C   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:25:18 GMTa( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>, Subject: Re: what path does clustering use??& Message-ID: <G15qE6.yz@spcuna.spc.edu>   kparris@my-deja.com writes:nB > Presumably due to difficult technical challenges, this was neverG > extended to general host-to-host communications using SCS, either for 7 > parallel SCSI or for SCSI protocol over Fibrechannel.   D   Target mode is rarely implemented in controller firmware or vendorF drivers, though most of the commonly-used controller chips support it.  C   However, this shouldn't be a problem as neither are used by VMS -iG booting is done under control of the console firmware, and VMS provides  its own hardware drivers.h  F   The NCR drivers talk to the bare metal (not any controller firmware)D on the AS200's motherboard SCSI, as well as on the add-on controllerD cards like the KZPCM. The other popular add-on cards are the Q-logicE ones (I don't know how the driver is constructed there) and the back- G plane RAID cards, which don't support clustering over their SCSI buses,o so it shouldn't be that hard.S  TC   LSI Logic has a target mode app note/example for their NCR chips.F  C > The original target for SCSI Clusters was the customer making thePH > transition from 1 standalone node to a 2-node cluster; the idea was toE > provide an affordable entry point while still providing many of theeI > advantages of clusters.  It was recognized at the time that there wouldeH > be some definite drawbacks in using industry-standard SCSI technology.I > But having to do without SCS-over-SCSI wasn't originally intended to beo > one of those drawbacks.t  G   I suspect somebody just looked at it and said "gee, this is _way_ toohE much work for something that's marginally useful, and only on the lowc end".m  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.come5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAf   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:43:28 -0500v From: fwheeler@csc.com Subject: Where's the VMS FAQ?b9 Message-ID: <OF65684D65.2AC88AC0-ON8625695F.007BB668@com>   ( I can't seem to find the latest VMS FAQ.  1 I've seen references here to the August 2000 FAQ.t6 I've also seen references here to FAQ section ALPHA20.   When I go to6 http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html or5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html B I find an FAQ dated 18 March 2000 and cannot find section ALPHA20.   Where's the FAQ?  ! /Scott Wheeler * fwheeler@csc.coma- Computer Sciences Corporation * Fort Worth TXi   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:19:14 GMTh= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o! Subject: Re: Where's the VMS FAQ?r0 Message-ID: <009F05FF.578FA600@SendSpamHere.ORG>  R In article <OF65684D65.2AC88AC0-ON8625695F.007BB668@com>, fwheeler@csc.com writes:) >I can't seem to find the latest VMS FAQ.S >r2 >I've seen references here to the August 2000 FAQ.7 >I've also seen references here to FAQ section ALPHA20.d >e
 >When I go to 7 >http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmll >or-6 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.htmlC >I find an FAQ dated 18 March 2000 and cannot find section ALPHA20.u >c >Where's the FAQ?  >b" >/Scott Wheeler * fwheeler@csc.com. >Computer Sciences Corporation * Fort Worth TX  4 There's one available at http://eisner.DECUServe.org   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            yO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:13:46 -0700 & From: bill robertson <wcr@pacbell.net>& Subject: Re: Why are these files open?+ Message-ID: <39C7D70A.874F68B2@pacbell.net>   % Thank you for your reply.  Here goes:    Hoff Hoffman wrote:i  U > In article <39C6B1D6.F25E118@pacbell.net>, bill robertson <wcr@pacbell.net> writes: H > :On my 6.2 system, I do a sho dev/files for a particular disk, and see; > :lots of executable files open by the system (000000)....a( > :...the executables are not installed. > < >   Would this be an OpenVMS VAX or an OpenVMS Alpha system?   OpenVMS VAX (microVAX 3100)h  I >   Specific examples of the names of some of these executables would be?o   $ sho dev/fil dka200  ? Files accessed on device xyz$DKA200: on 19-SEP-2000 13:51:13.673  # Process name      PID     File namet.                 00000000  [000000]INDEXF.SYS;1;                 00000000  [RLS_MTS_45.EXE]MENU_SIGNON.EXE;1a;                 00000000  [RLS_MTS_45.EXE]MENU_SELECT.EXE;1s9                 00000000  [RLS_MTS_45.EXE]INQ_MAIN1.EXE;1a etc.   >xN >   Would these image files assocuated with any particular product or package?  4 They're part of a third-party financial application.  K >   Are these images actually executables, or are they shareable images, org >   COMMONs, or something else?   S Far as I can tell, they're executables that are invoked from the application.  Theye9 aren't run from the command line, or from a command proc.>  L >   Would these particular executables have once been installed (or mapped)?  V Not as far as I know.   They're not installed now, or don't show up from INSTALL LIST.  J >   Would this "particular disk" be a system disk, or an application disk?   Application disk.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:18:30 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i& Subject: Re: Why are these files open?, Message-ID: <39C81E6D.D90A7FD2@videotron.ca>   bill robertson wrote:eA > Files accessed on device xyz$DKA200: on 19-SEP-2000 13:51:13.67m > % > Process name      PID     File namen0 >                 00000000  [000000]INDEXF.SYS;1= >                 00000000  [RLS_MTS_45.EXE]MENU_SIGNON.EXE;1 = >                 00000000  [RLS_MTS_45.EXE]MENU_SELECT.EXE;1i; >                 00000000  [RLS_MTS_45.EXE]INQ_MAIN1.EXE;1g  W When the PID is 0, it is just an installed file that is installed with /open qualifier.l  M you can do a SHOW DEV/FILES/NOSYS to eliminate all those installed files fromi= the list and only show files that are opened by applications.t  4 and with recent versions of VMS, the real goodie is:  B PIPE  SHOW DEV/FILES/NOSYS DKA200: | SEARCH SYS$INPUT process_name  K And that will give you the files opened on that disk by that process_name .t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:56:34 +0000o- From: SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson>p, Subject: Re: Wrapping lines in PRINT command. Message-ID: <39C7B6E2.D6368FA1@fsi.net.mapson>  $ jeff.ramion@bankofamerica.com wrote: > F > Printing so that lines longer than the sheet width wrap is usually aJ > function of the "form" through which the file goes as it hits the paper. >  > Do a > + >         $ show queue/full Your_queue_name- > : > and look for the form= portion of the output.  Then do a > * >         $ show queue/form/full form_name > J > and see if the /TRUNCATE qualifier comes up.  If it does, you'll need toB > redefine the form or create a new form with the /WRAP qualifier.  F You'll also want to SHOW PRINTER or SHOW TERMINAL, as appropriate, andE check the current /WIDTH and /WRAP settings. Change them as needed ina your system startup procedures.m   David J. Dachteran  s > > -----Original Message-----. > > From: Paul Dias [SMTP:paul.dias@bbc.co.uk]- > > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:32 AMd > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 > > Subject:      Wrapping lines in PRINT commandn > >s > > Hi,t > > H > > Does anyone know how to PRINT a text file with more than 80 chars toH > > a line so that the extra characters get wrapped on to the next line? > >r > > Cheers,, > >i	 > > Paul.e   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Sep 2000 20:06 CSTe' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ( Subject: Re: [JAVA] Adobe Acrobat Viewer- Message-ID: <19SEP200020061809@gerg.tamu.edu>h  ) A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes...@D }On 19 Sep 2000 11:53:48 +0200, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) }>In article <0AD133B5ECED3D4B.DC4809DD4522DD30.DAE21CF3EC32C49D@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:w }>>Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:a }>>> gE }>>> I have followed the instructions (to the best of my knowlege) at  }>>>  O }>>>         http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/pdf_viewer.html  }>>> yQ }>>> to install the ADOBE Acrobat Viewer on my Alpha (V7.2-1, JAVA V1.1.8-5, ...)T }>>-& }>>Please consider the ASI PDF Viewer: }>>C1 }>>	http://www.applied-synergy.com/pdf/index.html  }> }>Considered and thanks, no.0 }>1.) I already have XPDF (V0.9 with decryption)C }>2.) I want to get experience with JAVA/JRE and its tools and somee }>	JAVA programs on VMSoO }>3.) I don't get ANY money for any of my VMS systems for a couple of years now 1 }>	So, commercial ware is out of every scope herea } C }Although 1 and 2 seem solid reasons I did notice that the cheapestI( }sing;le license was only 150 dollars... }  }--  }Alan Greigw  2 If that is so cheap, why don't you buy it for him?  : $150 > $0. Therefore, if you have $0 you can not pay $150.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.526 ************************