1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 24 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 535       Contents: $2,000, $4,000 WEEKLY INCOME" Accessing VMS files from Delphi...& Re: Accessing VMS files from Delphi... Re: Basic freeware CD problems- Clustering VAXstation with dead serial driver  Re: Duplex Printing  Re: Duplex Printing  Re: Duplex Printing ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: HELP ! VMS License Units Question -  HSJ80 in ESA12000  Re: HSJ80 in ESA12000  Re: HSJ80 in ESA12000  RE: HSJ80 in ESA12000 3 Re: Memo:  Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory  Re: OpenVMS features (future)  Re: OpenVMS features (future)  Re: OpenVMS features (future)  RE: OpenVMS features (future)  Re: OpenVMS features (future)  Re: OpenVMS features (future)  RE: OpenVMS features (future)  Re: OpenVMS features (future) * Pascal question: Can OUTPUT be [VOLATILE]? Re: Suggested VMS new feature!! RE: Sun Hardware problems persist  Re: VMS and UNIX  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:09:00 -0700 5 From: Scott Klarenbach <thesearchfortravel@yahoo.com> % Subject: $2,000, $4,000 WEEKLY INCOME 7 Message-ID: <200009240605.CAA07830@tor-smtp1.netcom.ca>   U My name is Scott Klarenbach and I'm responding to your recent request for a business  * opportunity that you can grow from home.    M How would you like to market a $15,000 Vacation package that includes 6 FREE  O Cruises, 23 vacations worldwide, and over $4,000 in FREE airfare discounts for  R the unbelievable price of only $1,295? - OF WHICH YOU WILL EARN $1,000 COMMISSION 	 PER SALE!   Q All of the companies we represent are 15 Years Old or older, and all are members  M of the Better Business Bureau. We have affiliations with some of the LARGEST  6 Multi-Billion Dollar Companies in the travel industry.  O All of the selling is done for you.  We have weekly national conference calls,  N and a great website that you can use to sell the package.  If you didn't make O $3,000 last week, and you haven't been on at least 2 Cruises so far this year,    then you have to call right now!  S This is the most AMAZING package you will ever see, and it literally sells itself.  9  We have directors that are earning over $8,000 per week.   T If this sounds interesting, call my toll free number for some recorded information.   The number is 1-800-701-7654.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:49:50 -0500 (EST) * From: Pedro Viena <contracer2@hotmail.com>+ Subject: Accessing VMS files from Delphi... 5 Message-ID: <F52K4xDh9vXsFFsAitV00000f72@hotmail.com>    Hello Guys:   ;   Is there any way to read VMS files using Borland Delphi ?      Thank you in advance... I _________________________________________________________________________ I Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.   D Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at  http://profiles.msn.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:12:21 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> / Subject: Re: Accessing VMS files from Delphi... - Message-ID: <39CE35F5.450D5C1C@earthlink.net>    Pedro Viena wrote: > 
 > Hello Guys:  > = >   Is there any way to read VMS files using Borland Delphi ?  >  >   Thank you in advance...   F If you're asking whether there is an RMS library available for non-VMSE systems, there are a couple of (commercial) products for various UN*X G systems, as well as ODS-2 filesystem readers (commercial and freeware).   - I doubt whether these are specific to Delphi.    See:   http://www.accelr8.com/    http://www.sector7.com/    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:57:12 -0400 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> ' Subject: Re: Basic freeware CD problems ' Message-ID: <39CE4078.5680@adldata.com>   ) You have to run them as foreign commands:   % $unzip :== $$9$dka0:[zipdir]unzip.exe  $unzip "-Z"    > L > Right. I just tried the most recent version off the Compaq site, and I get > the same: 	 > I type:  > 'r unzip.exe "-Z"'
 > DCL says? > 'Too many parameters. Reenter command with fewer parameters.' M > This must be some setup problem because it's the same as I got for gzip. So 8 > what is the syntax to run executables with parameters? > ) > "laurie" <abd@bdc.com> wrote in message ' > news:8qf35q$410$1@trog.dera.gov.uk... 7 > > So does it just not work? Was it not tested at all? J > > It seemed like a more fundamental problem than that, since the first 3! > > programs I tried didn't work. M > > If I download it onto a pc disk and put it on my Alpha via PCDISK will it  > > bugger up the executables?F > > How much are you charging for the CD? Does the new version contain > > installation instructions?K > > Could you tell me how I should be installing it, cos the DCL help won't  > tellN > > me what to do unless I know what the commands I should be using are called > > in the first place.  > > 
 > > Thanks > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:47:28 GMT / From: atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R Svirsky) 6 Subject: Clustering VAXstation with dead serial driver& Message-ID: <G1EK34.AnK@world.std.com>  E I would like to cluster a VAXstation 3100 M30 with an apparently dead E serial port driver.  Problem symptoms in serial console configuration  include the following:  F - No output from printer port to VT220 during power-up self-test.  TheJ terminal is OK and works correctly when connected to a known good VS 3100.G - VS 3100 apparently passes all self-tests, according to the diagnostic  LEDs. J - VS 3100 does receive input from the terminal while powered.  When I typeG 'show dev', the HD spins up as it should.  I suspect I would be able to A boot over esa0 into my VAXcluster if only I knew its ethernet ID.    Questions - I How do I find the ethernet ID if I can't read test output on the console? H Might there be a sticker on the board somewhere?  Also, before I heat upH my iron, do these symptoms describe a problem that may not be present in the serial driver?   --  C Alexander_R_Svirsky_____________________________atlas@world.std.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:17:42 +0100 < From: John Macallister <j.macallister1@physics.oxford.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Duplex Printing7 Message-ID: <000924091742.ae4c@nplvms.physics.ox.ac.uk>   E > Yes, that's true. You can set the printer to do duplex by default.   > , > I wonder how many folks choose to do that?  F Using duplex as the default saves a huge amount of paper. I would alsoK  recommend using two-up ( eye-sight permitting ) for all standard printing. G  By taking those two measures you can reduce paper consumption by 75% !   J Of course, even more paper can be saved by not printing many things in the
  first place.   N Some things still need to be printed especially documentation from which largeO  sections are to be digested and some documents have to be printed single-sided L  to comply with certain admin regulations but everyone should attempt to useL  paper saving features such as duplex printing, many-up, keeping data/output   listing/tables on-line, etc ...   John     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:02:03 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Duplex Printing> Message-ID: <hshubs-C40A22.11020324092000@news.mindspring.com>  I In article <000924091742.ae4c@nplvms.physics.ox.ac.uk>, John Macallister  , <j.macallister1@physics.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:  J >Some things still need to be printed especially documentation from which  >largeD > sections are to be digested and some documents have to be printed  > single-sidedM > to comply with certain admin regulations but everyone should attempt to use M > paper saving features such as duplex printing, many-up, keeping data/output ! > listing/tables on-line, etc ...   + I like duplex 16-up and a magnifying glass.  --   Howard S Shubs# "Run in circles, scream and shout!"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:30:20 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: Duplex Printing- Message-ID: <39CE2C1C.255ABDD2@earthlink.net>    John Macallister wrote:  > F > > Yes, that's true. You can set the printer to do duplex by default. > > . > > I wonder how many folks choose to do that? > H > Using duplex as the default saves a huge amount of paper. I would alsoM >  recommend using two-up ( eye-sight permitting ) for all standard printing. I >  By taking those two measures you can reduce paper consumption by 75% !   
 Very true.  A However, in the shops where I've worked of recent, it's been more G important to be able to break up a single report into multiple sections $ distributed to multiple departments.  ! That means simplex is THE option.   5 Your shop's mileage may vary considerable, of course.    L > Of course, even more paper can be saved by not printing many things in the >  first place.   = This was a serious wish-list item at one shop. They were even D considering re-writing the report programs to produce HTML broken up5 into easily usable pages, sections, departments, etc.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:11:29 -0700 , From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net>0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS8 Message-ID: <39cd9ac7$0$29999$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>  1 Digital's "Stealth Marketing" is alive and well !    Jack   "William H." wrote:  >  > If you want to promote! > advertising of OpenVMS, write a # > letter on your Company Letterhead  > to the people who make the > descisions at Compaq.  Keep * > it professional and keep it to one page. > % > Include "personal and confidential" ! > about three lines down from the 	 > address  >  > 1)Paper is good. >  > 2)email gets deleted.  >   > 3)Company letterheads impress. > ' > The director of OpenVMS Marketing is:  >  > Compaq Computer Corporation  > Mary Ellen Fortier > 110 Spit Brook Road  > ZKO3-4/W24 > Nashua, NH 03062 > # > The Vice President of OpenVMS is:  >  > Compaq Computer Corporation  > Richard Marcello > 110 Spit Brook Road  > ZKO3-4/W24 > Nashua, NH 03062 >  > The President of Compaq is:  >  > Compaq Computer Corporation  > Michael Capellas > 20555 State Highway 249 
 > MS110802 > Houston, Texas 77070   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:35:50 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS- Message-ID: <39CE2D66.C87E9536@earthlink.net>    "William H." wrote:  >  > If you want to promote! > advertising of OpenVMS, write a # > letter on your Company Letterhead  > to the people who make the > descisions at Compaq.  Keep * > it professional and keep it to one page.  . I think I'm starting to get William's message:  8 Keep writing and writing and writing and writing and ...  G (Ever seen "The Shawshank Redemption"? Remember how the buy got funding 6 for the prison library? It took years, but he got it!)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:50:25 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>0 Subject: Re: HELP ! VMS License Units Question -( Message-ID: <8qkeq8$poq$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  G Arbitrary is perhaps not quite the best word to describe the situation. 9 When LMF was invented, VAXen ran at speeds below 10 VUPS. F Systems then sold where the microVAX II at one end and the 8800 at theD other. License points for A and F licenses (VMS capacity and layered	 products) H were put on a scale (my guess 1-100 and 1-1000) and the required numbers computedL from listprice and performance. That worked quite well until the 6000's cameF around and suddenly a compiler for a VAX 6610 became very expensive soA DEC changed the classification. Some systems were even downrated. " That created a lot of confusion...  
 Hans Vlems  . Richard B. Gilbert heeft geschreven in bericht. <200009231630_MC2-B46D-12CB@compuserve.com>...8         I believe that "units" are completely arbitrary.  J         The reason for the difference between the VMS Base License and theJ DECwindows license is that they are a different class of license.  The VMSJ Base would be Class A or Class D, I believe, while the DECwindows would be! Class H (Alpha Layered Products).   F         Confused?  So is everyone.  I seem to recall that a VAX 11/750H required more license units for layered products  than many systems thatJ you could tuck underneath your arm and that would blow the doors off it!!!J All the VAXstations after the VAXstation 1, from the least to the greatestI used a class D license of 100 units, a class E license of 50 units  and a K Class F (Layered Products) license of 10 units.  That covered a range of .9 0 to 40 or 50 VUPS.   All supported a single user.  J         A SHOW LICENSE /CHARGE should show you the license requirements fo/ each type of license supported on your machine.   " Message text written by "Islandco"H >Can someone kindly advise me of the "actual" meaning behind the OpenVMS base license "units"   H The Alpha PWS500 I have in here has OpenVMS base (QL-MT1AE-6X) 12 units, but H a Customer said he needed 15(Ql-MT1AE-63) to make DECwindows work on his	 APWS500au   I Now I have loaded DECwindows many many times and have never had a problem    Any info would be appreciated    Am I missing something ???  2 Kindly email me with info at dbturner@islandco.com <    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:27:00 -0700 , From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net> Subject: HSJ80 in ESA120008 Message-ID: <39cd9e6a$0$29999$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>  H Is the HSJ80 (CI version of the HSJ/G/Z80) "officially supported" in the
 ESA12000 ?  F We have a large quantity of StorageWorks disk and would prefer to stay( with this technology for the time being.   Jack   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:43:19 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: HSJ80 in ESA12000' Message-ID: <39CDBEA7.881E24B6@home.nl>   H I suppose so. The HSZ80 and HSG80 are supported, and I can't see a reson& why the HSJ80 should not be supported.H But CI is so slow compared to FC, that you might reconsider if this is a wise investment.     Jack Patteeuw wrote: > J > Is the HSJ80 (CI version of the HSJ/G/Z80) "officially supported" in the > ESA12000 ? > H > We have a large quantity of StorageWorks disk and would prefer to stay* > with this technology for the time being. >  > Jack   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:14:59 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: HSJ80 in ESA12000) Message-ID: <39CE1ABE.FBF16A6B@wi.rr.com>   , Maybe his VMS systems are not all PCI-based.  D If you're still living in the land of XMI, fc is out of the question3 (unless you want to set up some nodes to MSCP-serve % the disks...kindof a messy solution).    -scott   Dirk Munk wrote:  J > I suppose so. The HSZ80 and HSG80 are supported, and I can't see a reson( > why the HSJ80 should not be supported.J > But CI is so slow compared to FC, that you might reconsider if this is a > wise investment. >r > Jack Patteeuw wrote: > > L > > Is the HSJ80 (CI version of the HSJ/G/Z80) "officially supported" in the > > ESA12000 ? > >tJ > > We have a large quantity of StorageWorks disk and would prefer to stay, > > with this technology for the time being. > >E > > Jack   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:38:36 -0400 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>r Subject: RE: HSJ80 in ESA12000J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284807@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Jack,r  H The ESA12000 uses the BA370 backplane which will not support the HSJ80.   D The HSJ80 is only supported in the DS-BA356-MW (SW500/SW800?) or the	 EMA12000.C  
 Reference:J http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/modulararray/ma8kema12kci.html     Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada- Professional Services- Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.comh       -----Original Message-----3 From: Jack Patteeuw [mailto:jjpatteeuw@voyager.net]0( Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 5:27 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: HSJ80 in ESA12000    H Is the HSJ80 (CI version of the HSJ/G/Z80) "officially supported" in the
 ESA12000 ?  F We have a large quantity of StorageWorks disk and would prefer to stay( with this technology for the time being.   Jack   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:10:23 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>< Subject: Re: Memo:  Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory+ Message-ID: <VA.000000dd.1cb740c9@sture.ch>t  C In article <200009231630_MC2-B46D-12D3@compuserve.com>, Richard B. u Gilbert wrote:4 > From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsa> > Subject: Re: Memo:  Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory' > Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:30:40 -0400  > F >         This approach would involve 250,000 image activations which, > I 5 > believe, would be even slower that DELETE *.*;*!!!!i > E Which could explain why my 25,000 file "reverse delete" was so slow, .E and clocking up loads of I/O. Fortunately, time, disk space, and cpu i$ were on my side - I just let it run.  D >         Instead, construct delete commands with as many filenames, > inC > descending alphanumeric order, as will fit in the 1024 characters D > available.  With a bit of luck you should be able to pack at least
 > 40 filesE > per command which will cut the image activations by a factor of 40.  > ' > Message text written by Paul BEAUDOINV
 > >Try this|:BB > Get the directory listing to a file and sort it in reverse order > (alphabeticaly (z-a))_< > Convert each file name to a delete command and execute it.E > Should be much faster as you are now deleting bottom to top and theo) > directory file does not have to shuffle ' > the remaining entries around so much.-B > Good luck  - and don't forget to kill the errant user/programme< >d   ___h
 Paul Sture Switzerlandh   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:44:57 -07003, From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net>& Subject: Re: OpenVMS features (future)8 Message-ID: <39cda2b4$0$30002$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >  > People > > > Of course OpenVMS is my prefered platform to work and manageF > (and nowadays its paying my salary again ) and  the greatest thinks > about OpenVMS are: <snip>H > So, what do you think ??  I think the news is a good place to think inJ > the improvments, tools, features, etc .... we want from our prefered OS.   Well I'll jump in.  A One thing that VMS **USED** to have was an **EXCELLENT** printingoG "solution".  LPS printers were wonderful !!  Notice I am talking in the  past.V  C One of the things that "slick-Bob" got rid of to woo Compaq was the.E printing group.  Now everyone need to understand I am **NOT** talking H about printers.  I **AM** talking about all of the necessary "pieces" to> get data from a computer system and on to paper in a reliable,G supportabel manner.  One fantastic feature of LPS printer is being ableuE to "log in" to them and "read" the front panel.  It's great to tell aaE user in another building that the reason he can't get his printout is9F because there is no paper in the printer, (or a jam in area 2 or ...).  = Genicom tried to "keep the faith", but that didn't last long.   < What we really need is support for all of the "user" featureH (single/double side, number up, ANSI, Postscript, forms, etc.) supportedE on the latest version of "popular" printer such as HP, Lexmark, etc. tA Notice I said "latest versions".  Big companies seem to wholesale>H replace all printer every few years (lease expiration?).  LPD and telnetG connections will never replace the old LPS connection, but they seem tou- be the only solution available theses days.        Jack   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2000 07:42:16 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) & Subject: Re: OpenVMS features (future)0 Message-ID: <8qkb8o$flb$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  g In article <39cda2b4$0$30002$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>, Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net> writes:h+ >fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:I >>   >Well I'll jump in.h >dB >One thing that VMS **USED** to have was an **EXCELLENT** printingH >"solution".  LPS printers were wonderful !!  Notice I am talking in the >past. >eD >One of the things that "slick-Bob" got rid of to woo Compaq was theF >printing group.  Now everyone need to understand I am **NOT** talkingI >about printers.  I **AM** talking about all of the necessary "pieces" toi? >get data from a computer system and on to paper in a reliable,sH >supportabel manner.  One fantastic feature of LPS printer is being ableF >to "log in" to them and "read" the front panel.  It's great to tell aF >user in another building that the reason he can't get his printout isG >because there is no paper in the printer, (or a jam in area 2 or ...).3 > > >Genicom tried to "keep the faith", but that didn't last long. >s= >What we really need is support for all of the "user" featurebI >(single/double side, number up, ANSI, Postscript, forms, etc.) supported F >on the latest version of "popular" printer such as HP, Lexmark, etc. B >Notice I said "latest versions".  Big companies seem to wholesaleI >replace all printer every few years (lease expiration?).  LPD and telnettH >connections will never replace the old LPS connection, but they seem to. >be the only solution available theses days.   >- >- >Jack-  O What I want is either for DCPS to support UCXs LPD or a facility to be added to<L VMS to easily provide printer-filters with standard filters text-postscript,2 pcl-postscript, etc  and number-up would be good.     
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:54:33 -0500a7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>d& Subject: Re: OpenVMS features (future)- Message-ID: <39CE23B9.D7B3E301@earthlink.net>o   Jack Patteeuw wrote: > , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > >p
 > > People > >y@ > > Of course OpenVMS is my prefered platform to work and manageH > > (and nowadays its paying my salary again ) and  the greatest thinks > > about OpenVMS are: > <snip>J > > So, what do you think ??  I think the news is a good place to think inL > > the improvments, tools, features, etc .... we want from our prefered OS. >  > Well I'll jump in. > C > One thing that VMS **USED** to have was an **EXCELLENT** printing-I > "solution".  LPS printers were wonderful !!  Notice I am talking in theS > past.s > E > One of the things that "slick-Bob" got rid of to woo Compaq was theAG > printing group.  Now everyone need to understand I am **NOT** talkingpJ > about printers.  I **AM** talking about all of the necessary "pieces" to@ > get data from a computer system and on to paper in a reliable,I > supportabel manner.  One fantastic feature of LPS printer is being ablecG > to "log in" to them and "read" the front panel.  It's great to tell anG > user in another building that the reason he can't get his printout is H > because there is no paper in the printer, (or a jam in area 2 or ...). > ? > Genicom tried to "keep the faith", but that didn't last long.  > > > What we really need is support for all of the "user" featureJ > (single/double side, number up, ANSI, Postscript, forms, etc.) supportedF > on the latest version of "popular" printer such as HP, Lexmark, etc.C > Notice I said "latest versions".  Big companies seem to wholesalerJ > replace all printer every few years (lease expiration?).  LPD and telnetI > connections will never replace the old LPS connection, but they seem to - > be the only solution available theses days.p >  > Jack  H Well, now that Compaq has DCPS back, perhaps some of its short-falls can be overcome.  C ...and DCPS does work to a surprising degree, even with some of the F newer HP and HP-compatible printers, though does leave one wanting for= better support of many printers. Perhaps there may be hope...t   -- p David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/c  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:15:09 -0500w+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>M& Subject: RE: OpenVMS features (future)J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284803@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   David,  C As a suggestion to folks looking for more (or different) printing =f featuresH than provided with current versions of OpenVMS and DCPS, they may want = toI look into the capabilities of this vendor that provides print solutions =  for  OpenVMS - NLS:   http://www.nls.com/      Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadam Professional ServicesS Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.come       -----Original Message-----< From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net]) Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 11:55 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh& Subject: Re: OpenVMS features (future)     Jack Patteeuw wrote: >=20, > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > >d
 > > People > >o@ > > Of course OpenVMS is my prefered platform to work and manageE > > (and nowadays it=B4s paying my salary again ) and  the greatest =r thinks > > about OpenVMS are: > <snip>I > > So, what do you think ??  I think the news is a good place to think =r inA > > the improvments, tools, features, etc .... we want from our =i prefered OS. >=20 > Well I'll jump in. >=20C > One thing that VMS **USED** to have was an **EXCELLENT** printing4G > "solution".  LPS printers were wonderful !!  Notice I am talking in =q theu > past.r >=20E > One of the things that "slick-Bob" got rid of to woo Compaq was the,G > printing group.  Now everyone need to understand I am **NOT** talking1I > about printers.  I **AM** talking about all of the necessary "pieces" =u to@ > get data from a computer system and on to paper in a reliable,F > supportabel manner.  One fantastic feature of LPS printer is being = ableG > to "log in" to them and "read" the front panel.  It's great to tell a G > user in another building that the reason he can't get his printout iseD > because there is no paper in the printer, (or a jam in area 2 or = ...).s >=20? > Genicom tried to "keep the faith", but that didn't last long.e >=20> > What we really need is support for all of the "user" featureB > (single/double side, number up, ANSI, Postscript, forms, etc.) =	 supportedrF > on the latest version of "popular" printer such as HP, Lexmark, etc.C > Notice I said "latest versions".  Big companies seem to wholesale E > replace all printer every few years (lease expiration?).  LPD and =s telnetH > connections will never replace the old LPS connection, but they seem = to- > be the only solution available theses days.r >=20 > Jack  F Well, now that Compaq has DCPS back, perhaps some of its short-falls = cane be overcome.  C ...and DCPS does work to a surprising degree, even with some of theHF newer HP and HP-compatible printers, though does leave one wanting for= better support of many printers. Perhaps there may be hope...e   --=20a David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:21:45 -0500s7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>s& Subject: Re: OpenVMS features (future)- Message-ID: <39CE2A19.D3B5CEED@earthlink.net>C   "D.Webb" wrote:r snip] Q > What I want is either for DCPS to support UCXs LPD or a facility to be added tofN > VMS to easily provide printer-filters with standard filters text-postscript,3 > pcl-postscript, etc  and number-up would be good.a  " Well, I can see your second point.  @ The problem I've always had with LPD, though, is that to be 100%: compliant with the specification (or the lack there of), aC printer/server must first spool the entire print job. That means inhH order for a printer (read: Jet Direct card / server) to properly processF a large LPD print job, it may need to spool many hundreds of megabytesC of data. I've never seen such a device with more than a few tens ofaG megabytes of RAM, though some of the newer printers do have an internal0
 hard disk.  H In situations where printers are served primarily by UN*X or NT servers,D I usually recommend that the VMS System(s) be made the primary print@ service node(s), if at all possible. VMS print-symbionts support= reverse-TELNET. From what I've seen (by no means a definitivetB viewpoint), UN*X systems do not provide support for reverse-TELNETF ("rawTCP") unless that support is provided through a print "filter" orG script written by the SysAdmin. Reverse-TELNET on NT? Couldn't say, butn I'd tend to doubt it.    -- l David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:42:39 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>t& Subject: Re: OpenVMS features (future)- Message-ID: <39CE2EFF.930B75B1@earthlink.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > David, > L > As a suggestion to folks looking for more (or different) printing featuresK > than provided with current versions of OpenVMS and DCPS, they may want toaM > look into the capabilities of this vendor that provides print solutions foro > OpenVMS - NLS: >  > http://www.nls.com/f   I've seen that, yes!  E I'm planning to add that to the various "links" pages that I maintain/= between my DJEsys site and openvms.com. I've downloaded theirvF trial-ware, but probably won't get to look at it until after CETS2000.   -- e David J. Dachteram dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/j  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:47:12 -0500h+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>s& Subject: RE: OpenVMS features (future)J Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284806@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   David,  G As a suggestion, I believe the NLS folks will be at CETS 2000. I have a(< contact at their company and will see if I can confirm this.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadar Professional Servicesr Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.com-       -----Original Message-----< From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@earthlink.net]) Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 12:43 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1& Subject: Re: OpenVMS features (future)     "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > David, > L > As a suggestion to folks looking for more (or different) printing featuresK > than provided with current versions of OpenVMS and DCPS, they may want to:I > look into the capabilities of this vendor that provides print solutionsl for  > OpenVMS - NLS: >  > http://www.nls.com/o   I've seen that, yes!  E I'm planning to add that to the various "links" pages that I maintaina= between my DJEsys site and openvms.com. I've downloaded theirtF trial-ware, but probably won't get to look at it until after CETS2000.   -- M David J. DachteraS dba DJE Systems: http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.0   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Sep 2000 17:44:29 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)2& Subject: Re: OpenVMS features (future)0 Message-ID: <8qleht$jhs$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  g In article <39CE2A19.D3B5CEED@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  >"D.Webb" wrote: >snip] 0R >> What I want is either for DCPS to support UCXs LPD or a facility to be added toO >> VMS to easily provide printer-filters with standard filters text-postscript, 4 >> pcl-postscript, etc  and number-up would be good. >.# >Well, I can see your second point.n >lA >The problem I've always had with LPD, though, is that to be 100%.; >compliant with the specification (or the lack there of), a D >printer/server must first spool the entire print job. That means inI >order for a printer (read: Jet Direct card / server) to properly processcG >a large LPD print job, it may need to spool many hundreds of megabytessD >of data. I've never seen such a device with more than a few tens ofH >megabytes of RAM, though some of the newer printers do have an internal >hard disk.p >eI >In situations where printers are served primarily by UN*X or NT servers,.E >I usually recommend that the VMS System(s) be made the primary printoA >service node(s), if at all possible. VMS print-symbionts supporte> >reverse-TELNET. From what I've seen (by no means a definitiveC >viewpoint), UN*X systems do not provide support for reverse-TELNET-G >("rawTCP") unless that support is provided through a print "filter" or H >script written by the SysAdmin. Reverse-TELNET on NT? Couldn't say, but >I'd tend to doubt it. >$        G Unfortunately for just about all the printers nowadays I have no choice  but LPD.H All the printers are connected to the Novell servers using Novell's  IPX	 protocol.yM (Users/students have access to these queues via PC software which allows them K to print off their jobs in exchange for a chargeable token - Hence printing K directly to the device and bypassing the Novell queue is strictly forbidden.L since that would bypass the charging mechanism). The jet-direct cards on the6 printers themselves have the TCPIP support turned off.  J This means the best I can do is just send the job to the Novell server andO queue using LPR/LPD. The Novell servers have their own print-filters which dealaH with some conversions but there is noway of doing anything fancy such as
 number-up.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:32:15 +0930a% From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>e3 Subject: Pascal question: Can OUTPUT be [VOLATILE]? * Message-ID: <39CD98E8.A27C9029@vsm.com.au>   Hi,i  L I'm running COMPAQ PASCAL V5.7 on OpenVMS VAX & Alpha V7.2.  I am working onL a program which calls LIB$FILE_SCAN to locate files and do things with them.<  This routine invokes two procedures provided by my program.  E Not surprisingly, the compiler complains that my procedures should be E declared [ASYNCHRONOUS].  If I do that, several other variables in my K program must be declared [VOLATILE] (not really a problem).  However, theserL procedures use WRITELN to write to the predeclared text file OUTPUT, and the: compiler complains that OUTPUT needs to be [VOLATILE] too.  * I can't work out how to do this.  If I say  &     PROGRAM REVERSION (input, output);!     VAR output : [VOLATILE] text;2  L the compiler complains about conflicting visibility for OUTPUT.  But I can't see what else I could do..   Thanks,    	Jeremy Begg   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:01:42 GMTg= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ' Subject: Re: Suggested VMS new feature!g0 Message-ID: <009F098E.85AC4E61@SendSpamHere.ORG>  x In article <docz5.4534$tl2.343539@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:H >Well,  I appreciate all the comments, but if I wanted a "roll your own" >operating system,) >I would probably become a unix advocate.* >lI >And I disn't mind suddenly stopping production, dismounting the disk andtE >using a third party undelete tool, I would probably become a M$shaft  >windoze advocate.  F I did point out Glenn Everhart's Safety package.  It's free and on the Freeware CD.      M >But, I am stuck being a VMS bigot, and I would like such a simple feature toe >be J >incorporated in my vanilla OS.  I am quite sure I am not the first one to
 >accidentallytJ >delete a file. Even using a delete command procedure that does a confirm,	 >and thenr >asks if you are really sure.e  H I've been burned by this and my machines define DELETE, PURGE anD RENAMEK to exist with /CONFIRM.  They're also PERMANENT symbols defined in SYLOGIN.r  M >I am sure there also some very fine shelving products that will continuouslye >moveiG >files to near-line storage, but I dont' think continuous backup is theo >solution either.s > M >I think that a simple "undelete" feature that actually gives you a prayer ofn >retrievingoL >a file, even after a period of time elapses, and without shutting down your >system-5 >would be a very good feature for VMS to incorporate.t  H The question is how to handle this for DELETE/PURGE with all of the file- versions which can be maintained on a volume.-   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            oO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.B   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:43:15 -0500c+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> * Subject: RE: Sun Hardware problems persistJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284805@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Andrew,t  I Was going to start ignoring this thread as most folks have already stated  very well the real issues here.   H However, I do need to respond to your "words of wisdom" on environmental issues in a datacenter...   I >>> ... but a range of temperatures often differing by as much as 4C fromt. the coldest point in the room to the warmest.   J The fact that you say simple fix the AC demonstrates that you don't really, know enough about this to be commenting for  Compaq. <<<   K ROTFL again..you mean the temperature really can vary by a few degrees in aA computer room?    H Geezz, thats great information (environmental 101) and I will be sure toC remember that in the next IT Operations review I get involved with.o   :-) :-)e  J Remember, as Rob and others have stated numerous times .. All vendors haveF HW/SW problems at various times, but in this particular case, no otherI vendors have reported these cache problems as issues with a wide range ofe Customers.    H The "lower the temperature" line is a temporary workaround - not a final
 solution.   G Note - This is not to say a workaround is not something to propose to amL Customer to alleviate the short term pain they are experiencing. All vendors do this.  I However, don't try and suggest to serious IT folks that the workaround ispG now the final solution. My suggestion would be to simply state that thepK final solution is being investigated. Any other course of action could comee back to haunt you.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadaa Professional Servicesm Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.coma       -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]e( Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 6:47 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist     "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,  > H > >>> Interesting spin. What would Compaqs position be if a customer ran their L > GS140's in a datacenter that was say 30C and the machine failed with say a > CPU failure. <<  > D > Simple. Since ANY datacenter running at 30C would likely be a very isolatedJ > incident (A/C failure most likely since datacenter folks are experienced ITK > people), the Customer would fix the A/C problem, Compaq Customer Services,C > would replace the board and that would be the end of the problem.c Assuming: > a maint contract was in place, there would be no charge. > & > Whats hard to understand about that? > < You response demonstrates that you don't appear to have the B first idea what sort of environment you will find in a datacenter.  ? You make the great mistake of assuming that a datacenter is onei? environment, it isn't there often a number of micro-climates in ? each datacenter. For example there often isn't one temperature r< in a datacenter but a range of temperatures often differing ; by as much as 4C from the coldest point in the room to the .	 warmest.    = Same for sub-floor temperature and pressure, same for a wholes set of parameters.  : You also seem oblivious to the fact that fixing the AC is = not necessarely any easy option. You may simply be producing P: more heat in the datacenter than the AC can cope with. The@ only fix to this is to change the AC which in a major datacenter is not an easy thing to do.e  = The fact that you say simple fix the AC demonstrates that yout9 don't really know enough about this to be commenting for h= Compaq. I suspect that Compaqs sevices organisations responser; would be a lot more complex than yours. At least I hope it f; would because if it isn't then there are going to be a lot  A of customers who will say, we know the AC isn't working properly   but we have to live with it. e   Regards! Andrew Harrisonl Enterprise IT Architectr   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:10:21 -0700h, From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@voyager.net> Subject: Re: VMS and UNIXn8 Message-ID: <39cd9a83$0$29999$2c3edae7@news.voyager.net>  : so what is the differences between chocolate and vanilla ?   Jack   Beg Comp User wrote: > P > What is the difference between VMS and UNIX?  What are the advantages of each? > TIA.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.535 ************************