1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 27 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 540       Contents:# Re: !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! PRESS Web site? # Re: !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! PRESS Web site?  !URGENT! Seeking David Cathey ! Re: !URGENT! Seeking David Cathey ! Re: !URGENT! Seeking David Cathey & Re: Accessing VMS files from Delphi... auto-process e-mail  Re: auto-process e-mail  AXP ODL/PC BNU...  Bit Bucket Queue Re: Bit Bucket Queue Re: Bit Bucket Queue0 Re: CDD database no longer has its original name Re: Compaq postcard  Re: Compaq postcard  Re: Compaq postcard  Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: DECserver 90M Doc * Re: detached process can't output anything* Re: detached process can't output anything Re: Digital Business Link  Re: Duplex Printing  FAQ? Re: FAQ?? File locking - was Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS? / Re: FILESERV@WKU: Updated VNCviewer for OpenVMS / Re: FILESERV@WKU: Updated VNCviewer for OpenVMS / Re: FILESERV@WKU: Updated VNCviewer for OpenVMS  FREE E-mail software! F Re: How to connect Digital line printer (LP29 or LP37) to HP JetDirectC Re: Is the VMS x.25 programming documentation available on the web? ) Re: More OpenVMS advertising (from the Q)  Re: New OpenVMS Books  Re: OpenVMS 7.3  Re: OpenVMS 7.3  Re: OpenVMS 7.3  RE: OpenVMS 7.3  Re: OpenVMS 7.3  OpenVMS V7.3 SDK kits available " Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy ships" Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy ships" Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy ships PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS / Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100 - update % Re: Postscript file operations on VMS 4 Re: Replacing system disk, will licenses still work?% Re: restart an Alpha ETN42-CA machine  Re: S2000 sigtapes) Re: Set proc/SUSP /RESUME weird behaviour  Re: SRAM Corruption Thread Re: Suggested VMS new feature!! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist  Teaming gigabit nic's  Re: Teaming gigabit nic's 0 Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!) Re: use of LIB$GET_VM " Re: Using shared memory on OpenVMS2 Re: VAX ODL,  AXP ODL, and PC Readable Documention, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:22:53 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! PRESS Web site?6 Message-ID: <8qqpht$ijd$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <39D04099.AA951F87@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes: C :I heard that Digital Press is an independent company and so COMPAQ D :didn't "buy" them. Is this true? Do they have a Web site? Altavista8 :gives more than a thousand of entries for the keywords.     FAQ.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:03:19 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>, Subject: Re: !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! PRESS Web site?* Message-ID: <39D0F2F7.B9DD44D9@Easynet.fr>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >  >   FAQ.  ' Sorry, forgot, will not do it again :-)    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:49:06 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> & Subject: !URGENT! Seeking David Cathey, Message-ID: <39D15212.7F527B5@earthlink.net>  
 Hi, Folks,  D Anyone knowing the where-abouts of or how to contact David Cathey of= Montagar/DFWLUG - please e-mail me privately at your earliest B convenience. How to unmung the Reply-to address should be obvious.  = Urgent matter - important I contact him directly immediately.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:42:32 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> * Subject: Re: !URGENT! Seeking David Cathey- Message-ID: <39D15E98.A66A7F54@earthlink.net>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Hi, Folks, > F > Anyone knowing the where-abouts of or how to contact David Cathey of? > Montagar/DFWLUG - please e-mail me privately at your earliest D > convenience. How to unmung the Reply-to address should be obvious. > ? > Urgent matter - important I contact him directly immediately.   E Sorry 'bout that! False alarm - reached both him and JW via telephone 	 this p.m.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:47:35 +0100 - From: John Wisniewski <wisniewski@ticnet.com> * Subject: Re: !URGENT! Seeking David CatheyO Message-ID: <698C8AAEF0506910.631E54D42B697C4D.404EF5844651C098@lp.airnews.net>   / davidc@montagar.com has always worked for me;-)   ? http://www.montagar.com/ also has his voicemail number on it;-)   D I am not David Cathey nor do I play him on TV...Standard disclaimers apply,9 your milage may vary, do not taunt the happy fun ball....    John Wisniewski      David J. Dachtera wrote:   > Hi, Folks, > F > Anyone knowing the where-abouts of or how to contact David Cathey of? > Montagar/DFWLUG - please e-mail me privately at your earliest D > convenience. How to unmung the Reply-to address should be obvious. > ? > Urgent matter - important I contact him directly immediately.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 15:34 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) / Subject: Re: Accessing VMS files from Delphi... - Message-ID: <26SEP200015341749@gerg.tamu.edu>   . Pedro Viena <contracer2@hotmail.com> writes...< }  Is there any way to read VMS files using Borland Delphi ?  < Define "VMS files". How are you accessing them? What kind of; file is it (VMS has more than one or two - it has several).   ? If it is a text file, it is probably trivial. If it is a binary C file it is also probably trivial in most cases. If it is an indexed 0 file, you could have a lot of work ahead of you.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:31:23 -0500 * From: "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca> Subject: auto-process e-mail0 Message-ID: <wI7A5.2657$fU3.61613@news1.mts.net>  H I want to write a DCL routine to check and process in-coming e-mail. I'm looking for examples.....    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 21:06:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: auto-process e-mail6 Message-ID: <8qr34c$k00$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <wI7A5.2657$fU3.61613@news1.mts.net>, "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca> writes: I :I want to write a DCL routine to check and process in-coming e-mail. I'm  :looking for examples.....     Please visit:   3     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/DELIVER/   E   From the DELIVER Freeware Readme file (available at the above URL):     @ DELIVER, Utilities, Handle incoming mail messages automatically   F DELIVER is an adjunct to VMS MAIL which makes it possible for incomingF mail  messages  to  be  handled  and  processed automatically based onF information provided in a user-supplied file.  Different  actions  canF be  taken  based  on  a message's address, subject or contents.  TheseF actions include delivering the message, forwarding the message or evenF invoking  a DCL command script to perform some complex operation.  AnyF actions taken occur immediately upon receipt of the message; the  user/ does not need to log in for DELIVER to operate.   F DELIVER is modelled after the MAILDELIVERY facility of the  MMDF  mailF system.   DELIVER  is,  however, completely distinct from MMDF and theF formats of .MAILDELIVERY files for MMDF and  MAIL.DELIVERY  files  for DELIVER are dissimiliar.  . Full documentation is available in DELIVER.MEM  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:13:46 +0800 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>  Subject: AXP ODL/PC BNU...+ Message-ID: <39D165EA.C4B6F4C0@bigpond.com>   	 Hi Folks,   C Just installed the PC usable DOC stuff and had a look around and it C looks quite usable.  It installed with no problems and ran first go 1 (with no reboots:-).  The whole thing works well.   E Bookreader seemed to have problems with some fonts in some documents, G the "Ethernet Communcations Server *" manuals in DECserver 700 and 90TL 	 sections.   D (I haven't tried printing anything or doing anything other than just reading the manuals yet.)    --   Regards, Dave. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com I DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:32:24 -0700 / From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>  Subject: Bit Bucket Queue M Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDF6D@seantexch.unitedad.com>    OpenVMS V7.1-2  D   I am trying to create a null print queue. I remember long time agoG initializing a queue to nl: , But when I try this now I can't start the L queue and since I can't start it the printed objects just stay in the queue.K Causing the files to pile up. I know this is simple for you experts and yes 0 I looked in the FAQ and could not find a match.    Thanks Terry    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:26:33 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Bit Bucket Queue + Message-ID: <Q6ad83dXC+c$@eisner.decus.org>    In article <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDF6D@seantexch.unitedad.com>, Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> writes:  > OpenVMS V7.1-2 > F >   I am trying to create a null print queue. I remember long time agoI > initializing a queue to nl: , But when I try this now I can't start the N > queue and since I can't start it the printed objects just stay in the queue.M > Causing the files to pile up. I know this is simple for you experts and yes 2 > I looked in the FAQ and could not find a match.    Perhaps you remember:    	DEFINE SYS$PRINT NL:  or even:& 	DEFINE SYS$PRINT WESTERN_CIVILIZATION  7 in a batch job those will cause your logs not to print.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 07:43:33 +0800 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>  Subject: Re: Bit Bucket Queue + Message-ID: <39D134A5.45B01E40@bigpond.com>    Terry Marosites wrote: >  > OpenVMS V7.1-2 > F >   I am trying to create a null print queue. I remember long time agoI > initializing a queue to nl: , But when I try this now I can't start the N > queue and since I can't start it the printed objects just stay in the queue.M > Causing the files to pile up. I know this is simple for you experts and yes 1 > I looked in the FAQ and could not find a match.  >  > Thanks > Terry    Terry,  F Try DBS-NULLSYMBIONT from the address below (or the Freeware CD V4.0).$ Once you have the symbiont installed  8 $ initialize/queue bit_bucket/on=nla0:/processor=nullsym   --   Regards, Dave. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com I DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 04:21:13 GMT 2 From: robert_jm_barron@hotmail.com (Robert Barron)9 Subject: Re: CDD database no longer has its original name 4 Message-ID: <39d17510.3772887@news.netvision.net.il>  ? Hi, if I recall correctly you have fool the CDD - there is some 8 command you use to copy the files. backup doesn't do it.A CDD looks for the entire path name. even using a concealed device  won't be enough.  . I'll see if I can find the CP I used to use...   bye   ) >Can anyone help me with this CDD errror.  >  >CDO> show all- >%CDO-E-ERRDIRE, error displaying a directory 5 >-CDD-F-NOATTACH, unable to attach to dictionary data 0 >-RDB-F-DB_CORRUPT, database filename is corrupt  >-RDMS-F-BADROOTMATCH, root fileG >"$1$DIA26:[DIR.DIR]CDD$DATABASE.RDB;1" no longer has its original name & >"$1$DIA9:[DIR.DIR]CDD$DATABASE.RDB;1" >CDO>  > D >I'm in this situation because I performed a /image restore to a new5 >machine and the physical device names are different.  > 0 >Is there a utility to change the original name? >  >Thanks in advance.  >  > ' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:36:39 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: Re: Compaq postcard+ Message-ID: <uZBXAF$TGxkA@eisner.decus.org>   C I was watching Monday Night Football last night and saw a very good C Compaq ad.  Didn't mention VMS, Tru64 or NT, but did show a couple  B of good swooping shots of the GS320 style boxes.  Flashes of logosA for Celera, and other big Compaq wins (ISE and E*Trade might have B been there too, but I only saw it once)   The basic crux of the ad= was that information technology now demands high availablity, D scalability, etc, etc, etc, which gives the power to inspire, etc...   Tagline:   Welcome to the new IT    Compaq     Inspriation Technology   ---   C My jaw dropped.  I couldn't believe it, an ad for Compaq I actually B liked, and saw, on what looked like a national ad break.  The onlyC other ads I've seen recently were local insert Compaq ads that were ; previously running in the Bay Area and they really inhaled.    I'd like to see more of this!   O In article <39D020BE.3035435F@tmisnet.com>, Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> writes: J > Didn't Compaq hire the same advertisement firm that was trying to market > OpenVMS under Digital?K > The same people that brought you the, "Hell hath no fury?"  and the other N > confusing ads.  Why can Compaq hire the firm that does IBM or Apple ads?  It6 > least they would be understandable and fun to watch. > , > They should be spaced as soon as possible. >  > Cass >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  >> Bent Wagner wrote:  >> > >> > Hello all.  >> >- >> > Today i received a postcard from Compaq.  >> >6 >> > On the front there was a picture of a parachuter,1 >> > and the text 'Open it'  -- open a postcard??  >> >1 >> > On the back there was a text telling me that " >> > they all thought i was crazy. >> >0 >> > Well - it appears that Compaq think so too,1 >> > as they later in the text tell me to pack my  >> > own parachute and jump. >> >3 >> > In the past i have received weird things in my + >> > mail, but this is almost a winner :-))  >>G >> Going back to an earlier discussion here of "roll your own" o.s.-es,gK >> this may be someone's idea of comparing UN*X (Linux, *BSD, etc.) to VMS.i >>E >> If this is the best that the new V.P. of Marketing and Co. have toeK >> offer, I'd recommend that Compaq stockholders who lurk here get togetherBA >> and demand the ouster of such personnel as may be appropriate.e >> >> --a >> David J. Dachtera >> dba DJE Systems >> http://www.djesys.com/p >>= >> Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:r" >> http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ >>I >> This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postingsu >> is to be expected.x >>C >> Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.o >>I >> However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, areE >> strongly discouraged. >    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2000 23:37:47 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Compaq postcard+ Message-ID: <OaNW4x8TkqKn@eisner.decus.org>i  X In article <uZBXAF$TGxkA@eisner.decus.org>, kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:E > I was watching Monday Night Football last night and saw a very good E > Compaq ad.  Didn't mention VMS, Tru64 or NT, but did show a couple  D > of good swooping shots of the GS320 style boxes.  Flashes of logosC > for Celera, and other big Compaq wins (ISE and E*Trade might havehD > been there too, but I only saw it once)   The basic crux of the ad? > was that information technology now demands high availablity, F > scalability, etc, etc, etc, which gives the power to inspire, etc... > 
 > Tagline: >  > Welcome to the new ITo > 	 > Compaq u >  > Inspriation Technology  F Personally, I think "Inspiration Technology" would have been better...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:57:27 -0500d7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>r Subject: Re: Compaq postcard- Message-ID: <39D16217.9DF59527@earthlink.net>    Bent Wagner wrote: >  > Hello all. > * > Today i received a postcard from Compaq. > 3 > On the front there was a picture of a parachuter,i. > and the text 'Open it'  -- open a postcard?? > . > On the back there was a text telling me that > they all thought i was crazy.  > - > Well - it appears that Compaq think so too, . > as they later in the text tell me to pack my > own parachute and jump.? > 0 > In the past i have received weird things in my( > mail, but this is almost a winner :-)) > 
 > Bent Wagner- > psy@get2net.dk  E Bill Webb has since posted a complete description of this direct mail  piece.  C Having read Bill's description, I agree it is a welcome first step.SE Barely a single drop in the sum of the world's oceans, but at least an% sign that SOMEone is doing SOMEthing!,   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.-   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 00:26:48 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)> Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promoP, Message-ID: <8qres8$22r6$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  . In article <39CF5DCD.EF76F2B7@fsi.net.mapson>,0  SysAdmin <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> writes: |> Bill Gunshannon wrote:- |> -# |> > Not in any acredited program. 0 |>  4 |> Contact University of Illinois, Champaign, IL USA  D If what we were told is a fact and not a very bad mis-representationE of their program it seems like they would be the last place one would H want to contact.  Especially if one wanted a degree with any real value.   |> o' |> > The only place we teach how to usetI |> > canned applications is in Computer Literacy class.  A freshman levelc! |> > course that everyone takes.   |> iG |> ...and what about CAD students? ...other Computer Graphics students?f |> ...office automation? |> eK |> Apparently, these also fall under the "Computer Science" heading in somed |> way.p  F The only one of these that has anything to do with Computer Science isH "Computer Graphics".  And the students don't learn to draw pictures with4 canned packages, they learn about Computer Graphics.   |> oH |> ...which probably explains why most of the network and e-mail folks I= |> must deal with are lacking fundamental knowledge of serialn |> communications and such.e  E Not the ones coming out of our program.  I set up and control the labvD used by students in the networking course here and so I know exactlyD what they learn and what they actually get hands-on experience with.   bill   -- pJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:34:26 +0100.+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>g Subject: Re: DECserver 90M Doc' Message-ID: <39D10852.1EE6274A@iee.org>e  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > g > In article <39CFB56C.AA08B903@ntlworld.com>, "antonio.carlini" <antonio.carlini@ntlworld.com> writes:e > >t > >a > >"David J. Dachtera" wrote:rK > >> Hey! Found a link to a .PDF of DECserver 90 M doc. in an eBay posting:-, > >> http://www.leavens.net/dec/dsrvh-om.pdf > >oA > >As I'm at the end of a slow modem at the moment I cannot checknA > >exactly which manual that is (I assume it's the Owner's Guide)FG > >and I cannot check the 90M manual available (along with many others)  > >at  > >p! > >  http://www.dnpg.com/productso > " > just a javascript error there...  > Being the paranoid sort, I surf with Javascript (and Java) off% until I find it absolutely necessary.h  ( http://www.dnpg.com/dr/npg/dsrvh-mn.html  ( is where the page is supposed to end up.  ) Follow another link or two and you get to   , http://www.dnpg.com/dr/hubs/servers/manuals/  < I started to download the 90M user manual just to check that/ it works and stopped once I saw Acrobat pop up..   Antonioe   -- e   ---------------t- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:02:20 -0500i) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> 3 Subject: Re: detached process can't output anythings/ Message-ID: <st2al1movf0e1d@corp.supernews.com>   L <defdannyd@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8qqb71$kfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com...C > I now have things being output correctly to sys$output by runningdI > loginout.exe detached and feeding it a com file that launches my app as-F > input. The remaining problem is that my app is outputting to its ownI > log file, but the buffer size is enormous and then if I kill the shell, F > whatever is in the buffer does not get flushed which kind of defeats  > the purpose of having the log.  F Various programming languages have routines that when called flush theA output buffer to disk.  You have not indicated what language youreG application is written in, so I can not suggest an appropriate routine.b   -Johnl wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 23:06:24 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: detached process can't output anythinge6 Message-ID: <8qra5g$lfv$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <st2al1movf0e1d@corp.supernews.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes:t :eM :<defdannyd@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8qqb71$kfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com... D :> I now have things being output correctly to sys$output by runningJ :> loginout.exe detached and feeding it a com file that launches my app asG :> input. The remaining problem is that my app is outputting to its ownmJ :> log file, but the buffer size is enormous and then if I kill the shell,G :> whatever is in the buffer does not get flushed which kind of defeats ! :> the purpose of having the log.  : G :Various programming languages have routines that when called flush thesB :output buffer to disk.  You have not indicated what language yourH :application is written in, so I can not suggest an appropriate routine.  @   Check the FAQ, too.  Section PROG19 would be appropriate here.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:44:52 -0400o- From: "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com>t" Subject: Re: Digital Business Link/ Message-ID: <st2csip07ein91@corp.supernews.com>   A From What I can tell... they don't want end users to know pricingc  L Businesslink and the NEW alternatives are meant for Authorised Resellers and
 Government  6 They want you to Window Shop in a store with no prices   Davidt    : "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message@ news:B34A5.4998$s76.370418@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...3 | Have they changed their minds on the fate of DBL?i |iL | The login message directs you to a page that says DBL is in the process ofG | being retired in all countries by the end of December, 2000.  It thene pointsJ | you to a page listing alternative access points.  For the United States, itH | tells customers to continue using DBL until notified of another access | point. |LL | Does this mean that they are going to give us an alternative, and not justJ | take DBL away?  Did somebody actually "listen", or am I reading too much | into this? |t |e   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 15:29 CSTh' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e Subject: Re: Duplex Printing- Message-ID: <26SEP200015292767@gerg.tamu.edu>a  0 Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes...J }In article <000924091742.ae4c@nplvms.physics.ox.ac.uk>, John Macallister - }<j.macallister1@physics.oxford.ac.uk> wrote:a } K }>Some things still need to be printed especially documentation from which - }>largeaE }> sections are to be digested and some documents have to be printed   }> single-sided N }> to comply with certain admin regulations but everyone should attempt to useN }> paper saving features such as duplex printing, many-up, keeping data/output" }> listing/tables on-line, etc ... } , }I like duplex 16-up and a magnifying glass. }--  }Howard S Shubs:$ }"Run in circles, scream and shout!"  F For amusement purposes, I like 100-up. It isn't actually readable evenH with a magnifying glass on any printer I've tried it on (up to 1200dpi).D It reminds me a bit of the "live icon" option under the VWS softwareE which iconifies terminal windows by switching them over to what looksiI like a 2x2 font (with 1 empty line between rows) and shrinking the windowx to fit.   @ I find anything beyond 2-up to be hard to actually read. 4-up is readable, but unpleasant.-   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:07:10 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>
 Subject: FAQ?Q* Message-ID: <39D0F3DE.D1FAB969@Easynet.fr>  1 My browser didn't find any entry with the commandu   NOTES> dir/title=faq/rev 1:9999o  
 ooops, I meanm  3 Netscape> Search forum with subject containing FAQ.e   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 21:02:15 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: FAQ? 6 Message-ID: <8qr2sn$k00$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <39D0F3DE.D1FAB969@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:   2 :My browser didn't find any entry with the command ..4 :Netscape> Search forum with subject containing FAQ.  F   Your chosen nntpd server does not have a sufficiently long attentionH   span (or sufficient disk capacity), then.  You can retrieve copies of F   postings from nntpd archive servers such as the one at deja.com, andF   you can also obtain copies of the OpenVMS FAQ from (quoting the FAQ 1   itself, of course :-) from the following sites:   9   The OpenVMS FAQ is archived in the following locations:i  "     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/9     ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/dec-faq/OpenVMS.txti1     ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/dec-faq/vmsi:     ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/dec-faq/vms,     comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups  A   Other internet FAQs are generally available in these locations:r  ,     comp.answers and news.answers newsgroups%     ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/...h  ?   User-created HTML versions of the OpenVMS FAQ are located at::       http://www.kjsl.com/vmsfaq'     http://eisner.decus.org/vms/faq.htm-  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:30:44 -0500u) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>-H Subject: File locking - was Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?/ Message-ID: <st2qcbo249efe1@corp.supernews.com>j  @ "Chris Scheers" <chris@applied-synergy.company> wrote in messageI news:92ABE068ABCD8891.1D9A9B52BE037874.241F556678D99B14@lp.airnews.net...a >fJ > I don't know if it would solve your problem or not, but the $ENQ service2 > has an undocumented capability to lock "ranges".  J I needed to locking to be the same as RMS uses.  Easy to do, just call the RMS locking routines.   J I also have to make sure that in a stream file the records actually exist.L In a UNIX program the application may lock a record that does not exist yet.  J In a UNIX fcnt(), you can lock byte ranges that do not exist and are neverJ exist.  This is used to pass synchronization information between programs,K typically using large start values for the locking range according to notesi in the SAMBA source.  I Locking the record was really quite easy.  There are documented RMS callsm	 for that.e  I The other part of fcntl() was the fun.  fcntl() can be used to return theaK process id of a blocking lock.  I could not find the information on that in H the VMS documentation.  The "File Systems Internals" book provided a lot7 more information, along with observations from the SDA.a  L The key was a program written by Hein van den Huevel named BLOCKING.C that IK found in the archives of comp.os.vms.  It explained every thing I needed toV% get that part of fcntl() functioning.   G > WAG: I assume that this capability was for Posix support.  Since thiseH > capability is undocumented, and Posix has been depreciated, the futureA > (or even present) status of this feature could be questionable.f  J > You can see part of this from SDA.  When you show a lock, it is shown as( > granted at "xx" followed by the range.  L Is that a range?  On all of the locks I briefly look at through the SDA show it to be 00000000-FFFFFFFF.u  G > I don't know if there is a way to get RMS to support this.  You mightkE > need to do your own locking and block I/O, i.e., emulate UNIX styler > locking and I/O.  K Locks are only for cooperating processes.  Using standard RMS locks for the K outer ranges would still be needed for programs that did not use fcntl() to>I access the records.  The additional two byte ranges could be used to finet tune things.  I There is a possible performance issue though.  The resource name that RMSoA uses to lock a record is based on the Record File Address or RFA..  K To check a sublock for for finer granuarity through either the undocumenteduI range that you mention, or the documented lock value block, would require D checking all of the sublocks on all of the primary locks on that RFA resource for conflicts.>  J As the RMS locks are in executive mode, the code to do this search must be in executive mode.  : That was just too complicated for what I needed for SAMBA.   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:30:50 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) 8 Subject: Re: FILESERV@WKU: Updated VNCviewer for OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <39d0f8e1.2137153@swen.process.com>>  A On 21 Sep 2000 23:21:34 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davidt Mathog) wrote:  K >Well that's a fun little tool!  Nice job on the port, it worked as well asw4 >the WNT one, and the -vms2pc switch is really nice.  
 Thank you!   >The VMS VNC client H >works a heck of a lot better than does the Java version inside NetscapeI >3.03.  Once the VNC server is installed on the windows box you can go ineF >with the viewer and take control of a remote PC. Or you can snoop theL >screen while talking to a user on the phone.  Very handy for talking a user, >through a problem.  The price is nice too.  >eG >But VNC does open up a huge security hole on the PC.  Does it at least*) >encrypt the password for the VNC login? n >aE Yes, the password is encrypted before it goes across the wire.  ThereuA are various add-ons for the PC server to allow access lists to begF defined, and SSH, etc.  I've not had time to try any of those options.  J >I tried to use VNC to fire up a Microsoft Word 97 session on an NT 4 SP5 J >machine.  The application started but it jammed up after a few keystrokesG >and I had to kill the session.  That happened with the WNT client too c4 >though, so it's nothing particular to the VMS port. >gF That's interesting.  I haven't seen problems like that, though runningE the VNC server on my 400Mhz desktop is a lot slower than on my 750Mhzb laptop. 8-)    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/s: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:32:13 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)e8 Subject: Re: FILESERV@WKU: Updated VNCviewer for OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <39d0f982.2297934@swen.process.com>l  A On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:39:33 GMT, A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)  wrote:  7 >On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 23:19:22 -0500, "John E. Malmberg"v ><wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote: >-8 >><fabio_compaq#ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageH >>news:OFA8BCEB31.B77DCDEC-ON83256962.00579606@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...C >>> Would be much more interesting a Citrix ICA client for OpenVMS.  >>I >>I have been told that there is a JAVA client that may run under OpenVMSm >>using Netscape.f >tA >Yes, the standard Citrix JAVA client runs on VMS. You can run ir-? >directly as well and don't need to run it as a browser applet.  >tE >You can also direct a Terminal Server session to an X display on VMS  >nC I looked at the Citrix site, but never could tell if you could portaB the client freely.  On top of that, I've never heard of this untilF these posts, so I'm not sure I know what it does.  It sounds like it's; like VNC, except that you can run it off of web pages, etc?o   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/i: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2000 19:01:22 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)8 Subject: Re: FILESERV@WKU: Updated VNCviewer for OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <bgaMqQ9PH9Lh@eisner.decus.org>y  / In article <39d0f982.2297934@swen.process.com>,w0  goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) writes:# > On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:39:33 GMT,r, > A.Greig@virgin.network (Alan Greig) wrote: >>9 >>><fabio_compaq#ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageaI >>>news:OFA8BCEB31.B77DCDEC-ON83256962.00579606@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...pD >>>> Would be much more interesting a Citrix ICA client for OpenVMS. .u7 >>Yes, the standard Citrix JAVA client runs on VMS. Youi6 >>can run it directly as well and don't need to run it >>as a browser applet. >>7 >>You can also direct a Terminal Server session to an Xe >>display on VMS >>: > I looked at the Citrix site, but never could tell if you; > could port the client freely.  On top of that, I've neverd9 > heard of this until these posts, so I'm not sure I knowm: > what it does.  It sounds like it's like VNC, except that' > you can run it off of web pages, etc?i  @ Yes, it is like VNC.  The ICA protocol is proprietary to Citrix,> and I am aware of no open source clients.  Licenses are needed; for the software to run on the server and for the client to. access the server.  = Originally developed for various Windows terminal thin clientm= options, they are also now targeting selected UNIX platforms.r  * Now to bring things back to the VNC topic.  = The Citrix people have found that not all software plays well 7 when run on a server for thin clients and some softwarew requires tweaks.  4 [Note to those contemplating deploying thin clients,4  make sure you ask about that, it probably will not   be volunteered]  ? In the case where some Office type products are run on a servern> and displayed remotely, you must disable some features such as= automatic spell checking, and grammar checking.  What happensh9 is when you are not typing, the software assumes that thee: computer has nothing else to do, and consumes a lot of CPU cycles analyzing your document.   = It is possible that this type of activity may use so much CPUc< cycles that the system is too busy to respond in time to the@ VNC client.  Other resource limitations can also come into play.  7 I do not have a list of what is needed to make specific-? products behave under these conditions.  If the VNC maintainersi9 have not started such a list, I would recommend that theys
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If I received your e-mail in error, or you are no k= longer interested, please reply with "remove" in the subject.g= _____________________________________________________________p    f     d  .  o  a  n  i  c  d  a  a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:12:28 -0500e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>-O Subject: Re: How to connect Digital line printer (LP29 or LP37) to HP JetDirectn- Message-ID: <39D1497C.FA8B7EC5@earthlink.net>c   Scott Vieth wrote: >  > David: > G > Thanks for the tips on the RapidPrint box.  Say, did you ever replacecA > the firmware chip in your RP?  I remember having a problem witheD > the RP and Digital sent me an upgraded version of the firmware for> > that device.  I don't remember the exact details anymore....C > It may have been related to the connection problem you mentioned.t  B Yes - we tried the firmware "upgrade" - it only made things worse.   -- p David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.o   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 19:36:23 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)L Subject: Re: Is the VMS x.25 programming documentation available on the web?6 Message-ID: <8qqtrn$j8f$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  P In article <39d062d3.4401969@usenet.force9.net>, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk writes:  :The subject says it all really.     Not that I am aware of.g  D :I need to get hold of this documentation quickly but it takes ages  :to order it from Compaq.k  F   A priority order shipment of the documentation CD-ROM would probablyF   be the best approach.  (AFAIK, the X.25 documentation is on this CD.H   Please check the X.25 SPD for details and documentation part numbers.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:47:35 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: More OpenVMS advertising (from the Q)6 Message-ID: <8qqr07$ir9$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K :I think "24 x 7 x oo"   (oo = the infinity symbol) would be a nice way to LD :write it.  Bet the first company that uses that form in advertising :will try to trademark it. i  E   I have an absolutely marvelous 24x7x25 pin -- I'll have to remember G   to bring it with me to CETS2000.  (Why 25 you ask?  Well, apparently m   somebody transposed...)P  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:21:40 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: New OpenVMS Books6 Message-ID: <8qqpfk$ijd$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <rdeininger-2609000016590001@user-2ive7tt.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:ex :In article <OF1AF34E09.7B4815E9-ON83256965.006AF64F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: :lD :> There are two new OpenVMS books at Amazon.com (not yet published)    ;   Check bh.com, as Digital Press is probably the publisher.s  8 :> Writing Openvms Alpha Device Drivers in C  (Sep / 00) : # :This one must be a new edition....r  G   Margie is (was?) working on an update, but I don't know the schedule.o  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:17:39 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.36 Message-ID: <8qqp83$ijd$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  x In article <OFEDDD4B4F.FFCC2A64-ON83256965.005F2C0C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:* :Any date to the release of OpenVMS 7.3 ?   F   I'd currently expect to see V7.3 start showing up at customer sites E   circa Q1CY2001, given the usual replication and distribution cycle.-  - :Do you have any idea about the improvments ?   I   Order the Software Developer's Kit (SDK) for V7.3, and you can see for  I   yourself.  The SDK part number is QA-MT3AD-H8, and it will provide you @F   with an OpenVMS external field test release kit.  (The SDK2/EFT2 kit1   is expected to start shipping later this year.)   1 :Fun: It should be called OpenVMS 2000 or 2K !!!!   I   I'd (personally) rather spend the amount of time that this name change pF   would entail -- non-trivial, having seen how much was involved with D   the "VMS to OpenVMS" change and the Compaq-related name change -- /   working on new features and updates and such.r  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 19:37:57 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.36 Message-ID: <8qqtul$j8f$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  i In article <39D06A51.EDC3FBF9@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:p+ :fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote::3 :> Fun: It should be called OpenVMS 2000 or 2K !!!!  :s7 :What about VMS 2025 just to show the different level !w  E   2038 would have rather more significance among certain cogniscenti.-  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:19:11 -0400.- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>k Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3, Message-ID: <39D104B7.D82DB61B@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:eJ >   I'd (personally) rather spend the amount of time that this name changeG >   would entail -- non-trivial, having seen how much was involved with.E >   the "VMS to OpenVMS" change and the Compaq-related name change --E1 >   working on new features and updates and such.k  D A name change does not need to be "instant". Whenever you update oneM module/manual, you just do a global change of openVMS to "vms". So instead ofsK playing 6 games of solitaire in one day, on you only get to play 4 or 5 :-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:38:30 -0400t) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>x Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3B Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A620C@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] > So instead ofr> > playing 6 games of solitaire in one day, on you only get to  > play 4 or 5 :-)  >t  D The Real Reason (TM) behind the failure of (Open)VMS as a desktop OS? and the cause of the demise of Digital Equipment Corporation:  M  @ Lack of Must Have software included with the operating system:  
 No Solitaire.n  F It's obvious that if DECWindows included solitaire or freecell Windows# would never have gained a foothold..    # (If anyone takes this seriously...)s   Eric Ebinger      ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:24:19 -0700I! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comr Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3C Message-ID: <OF098D2248.093C710B-ON88256966.0074D254@HEALTHNET.COM>   J No no no no no!!!!! This is VMS, remember - replace OpenVMS with a logicalC that gets translated at run time to whatever the name is that week.w  D I realise it's a pipe dream, and more work than it's worth, etc, butI renaming OpenVMS to "VMS-UltraMegaSpecialEdition with Added Elephants" orFH something, then having a massive advertising campaign boasting about itsI wonderful backwards compatability with everything back to the version God G designed the Earth on would be a Good Thing, IMNVHO. It'd show up thoseUF Redmond upstarts, and quash the belief that VMS to OpenVMS needed code changes.   Shanen          A JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 09/26/2000 01:19:11 PM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:r   Subject:  Re: OpenVMS 7.3s     Hoff Hoffman wrote: J >   I'd (personally) rather spend the amount of time that this name changeG >   would entail -- non-trivial, having seen how much was involved withuE >   the "VMS to OpenVMS" change and the Compaq-related name change --k1 >   working on new features and updates and such.l  D A name change does not need to be "instant". Whenever you update oneJ module/manual, you just do a global change of openVMS to "vms". So instead ofK playing 6 games of solitaire in one day, on you only get to play 4 or 5 :-)a   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 20:58:06 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: OpenVMS V7.3 SDK kits available6 Message-ID: <8qr2ku$jse$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  C   The following is a reposting of an announcement from 9-Aug-2000, @?   as there have been several "what is an SDK" questions posted.f  D   The OpenVMS V7.3 Field Test Software Developer's Kit (SDK) is now    available.  =     Part: QA-MT3AD-H8    Call: 1-800-ATCOMPAQ (North America)   F   EFT1/SDK1 does NOT contain tested support for the AlphaServer GS80, H   AlphaServer GS160, and AlphaServer GS320 series systems, that testing G   and support will be integrated into the EFT2/SDK2 release of the V7.3eE   release, with the shipment of EFT2/SDK2 presently expected to start F   in November 2000 -- and yes, the attached announcement text does sayE   September/October.  (I will be posting the SDK2 announcement here.)e  G   Followups to this posting have been set to the SDK support newsgroup:t        vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest  C   As stated else-posting, I am also now soliciting updates and new ,G   submissions for the OpenVMS Freeware (probably to be the Freeware V5 dE   release).  For OpenVMS Freeware submission information, please see c   the URL: p  :     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/cd.html  ?   The deadline for Freeware V5 submissions is 27 November 2000.c  7   Attached is the OpenVMS V7.3 SDK announcement letter.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   	--    Dear Customer,  I Thank you for your interest in the OpenVMS Version 7.3 Software Developer K Kit (SDK) Program.   We feel that this program has been very successful in ,: the past, and we hope that you will decide to participate.  E The OpenVMS Version 7.3-EFT1 SDK will be available in July 2000 as an G orderable kit through our DECdirect channel.  You can order the kit by 9H ordering part number QA-MT3AD-H8 at a cost of $39.95.   Once the kit is E available, it will be as simple as calling 1-800-ATCOMPAQ.  Business >D Partners can order it on the Web through the Compaq Business Link at www.businesslink.compaq.com.  I The V7.3-EFT1 SDK will contain early releases of the OpenVMS V7.3 VAX and J Alpha operating systems, as well as DECwindows and network products.  The 2 SDK will also contain many new features including:  B o Write Bitmap and Shadow Minicopy -- Performance and availability&   enhancements to Shadowing full copy.  ) o Switched LAN as a cluster interconnect:t  A   - Support for Gigabit Ethernet and ATM as full switched clusterh     interconnects.  B   - Allows all LAN devices to participate in load distribution of      cluster traffic.  F o Lock Manager 2000 (Alpha only) -- Enhancements that improve cluster G   and application performance, SMP system performance, and scalability     and application availability.r  K o Extended File Cache (XFC) Version 1.0 support (Alpha only) -- Replacementw<   for VIOC.  Extends the capabilities of cluster file cache.  I o RMS Locking -- Reduces global buffer bucket locks by removing locks forrF   read operations.  Also allows RMS to read a record without taking a    record lock.  C o Kerberos Version 5 Security Client (Alpha only) -- Allows OpenVMS D   applications to communicate and authenticate with NT5 domains and    most UNIX platforms.  C o Clusterwide Intrusion Detection -- Expands the current individualoD   node-base intrusion detection in OpenVMS today to be cluster-wide    and cluster aware.  E o QIO Server (Alpha only) -- Provides improved performance over MSCP,oF   improved scaling and system management control, reduced maintenance D   cost, and a public device driver interface to support third party    driver writers.o  F o SCSI Fastpath (Alpha only) -- Improves SCSI performance and scaling    in SMP systems.   
 o And more.  n    J The OpenVMS Version 7.3-EFT2 SDK is presently scheduled to be available inK September/October  2000.  Customers can choose to either purchase both the oL OpenVMS Version 7.3-EFT1 SDK and the OpenVMS Version 7.3-EFT2 SDK at a cost # of $39.95 each, or just select one.h  E Support for the SDK program will continue to be through the followinge Internet newsgroup:r  "       vmsnet.sdk.openvms.fieldtest  I Please see the OpenVMS Web Page www.openvms.compaq.com  in late June 2000f; timeframe for additional information for ordering this kit.l  K Your involvement and support have been very important to the success of theNH overall SDK Program.  We hope that you will continue to support Version ' 7.3-EFT1 as this program moves forward.n  
 Sincerely,   OpenVMS Product Management   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 17:20:45 GMTt+ From: genkai wa doko da <gauze@my-deja.com> + Subject: Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy ships ) Message-ID: <8qqlt7$4ln$1@nnrp1.deja.com>y  / In article <st1k4tieb3dv11@news.supernews.com>, 0   wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote:H > If the US Navy is going to use NT on their ships, they'd better enlist anG > seaman whose name is Mr. Protection Fault, and promote him to Generale > immediately. >b  E I believe the proper protocol for addressing General Protection FaultmB (ok, the navy has admirals. poetic license) is with the 3 fingered salute:n   ctrl+alt+del   gauze.     --9 RCS/RI, Retro Computing Society: http://www.osfn.org/rcs/c0 RIFUG, RI Free Unix Group: http://www.rifug.org/5 Dropdead, my band: http://dropdead.ultraviolence.net/n0 my videogame stuff: http://www.gloom.org/~gauze/    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:22:47 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy ships + Message-ID: <Naeo2QA46sIp@eisner.decus.org>i  _ In article <st1k4tieb3dv11@news.supernews.com>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:bK > If the US Navy is going to use NT on their ships, they'd better enlist a  H > seaman whose name is Mr. Protection Fault, and promote him to General  > immediately.  ( I believe you were thinking of the Army.  / Admiral Protection Fault doesn't make sense :-)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:22:42 -0500e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> + Subject: Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy ships,- Message-ID: <39D14BE2.F2FFF4A6@earthlink.net>0   genkai wa doko da wrote: > 1 > In article <st1k4tieb3dv11@news.supernews.com>, 2 >   wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote:J > > If the US Navy is going to use NT on their ships, they'd better enlist > a I > > seaman whose name is Mr. Protection Fault, and promote him to General  > > immediately. > >a > G > I believe the proper protocol for addressing General Protection FaulteD > (ok, the navy has admirals. poetic license) is with the 3 fingered	 > salute:n >  > ctrl+alt+del  F Oh - THAT three-fingered salute. I thought you meant "read between the lines".c   -- e David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/_  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged._   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:18:36 -0300-) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: PDF under OpenVMSL Message-ID: <OFBD609636.6AD0F658-ON83256966.0069E87A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H Do you know if there=B4s a way to create an Acrobat (.PDF generator) pr= interE queue under OpenVMS ???t7 A library ? Or redirecting the queue  to other server ?n  
 Fabio Cardosoo Analista de Suporte                 @ Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> em 26/09/2000 13:32:24H                                                                        =     =20 H                                                                        =     =20nH                                                                        =     =20a    @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Bit Bucket Queue                                   =20@                                                              =20           =n     OpenVMS V7.1-2  D   I am trying to create a null print queue. I remember long time agoH initializing a queue to nl: , But when I try this now I can't start the=  E queue and since I can't start it the printed objects just stay in thed queue.H Causing the files to pile up. I know this is simple for you experts and=  yes/ I looked in the FAQ and could not find a match.o   Thanks Terryu         =a   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2000 23:32:42 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)M Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <CQitg2AzNDwb@eisner.decus.org>   x In article <OFBD609636.6AD0F658-ON83256966.0069E87A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:J > Do you know if there=B4s a way to create an Acrobat (.PDF generator) pr= > interx > queue under OpenVMS ???t9 > A library ? Or redirecting the queue  to other server ?s  7 If you don't find one, try sending a feature request tot/ chris@applied-synergy.com for their PDF viewer.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:01:29 +0100 1 From: "Roger Woodward" <rogerw@autogrouper.co.uk>a8 Subject: Re: Please help a poorly Microvax 3100 - update+ Message-ID: <648A5.15923$Cl1.388393@stones>   8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39CBD57C.4750826E@videotron.ca... > Roger Woodward wrote:8G > > The hyroglyphics now start in the middle of the self test (Ive justR turnedL > > it on again, it started waffling after ...C...B) so I am rather thinking- > > that something internally is going wrong.d >uJ > If you had a real VT terminal, I would suggest putting the terminal into theiH > "display control characters" mode. It is possible you are getting some weirdqJ > escape sequence that thrown your terminal into some hieroglyphiocs mode. >nI > Does it stop dumping garbage to your screen eventually ? At that point,t whatL > happens if you type "B<cr>" ? Do you heard the hard disk working (eg: does the  > machine boot) ?oH if i switch on now the hieroglyphics are no longer, just a blank screen!J nothing doing at all, everything is silent (barring the fans or course), aL green light on the front and a few green leds on the back. its like a morgue in there...m  C at one point in the worsening sequence it would go through the bootrF sequence, but my feeling is that it doesnt want to play ball any more.   cheers rog    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:44:20 -05006/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>b. Subject: Re: Postscript file operations on VMSO Message-ID: <2346DDE11A325BF7.3FC31093BAFAE729.2C277204F4BF3222@lp.airnews.net>s   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ^ > In article <39CFE141.871EA1F5@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:L > > Yesterday, I needed to convert some image data whihc was encoded as RGBW > > 78byte sequencesO > > (78 bytes red, 78 bytes Green, 78 bytes Blue, 78 bytes grayscale) into just P > > RGB. This was very easy on Postscript (since these were part of a postscriptM > > file), except that that CDA viewer on VMS doesn't supoprt file operations0I > > (attempting to write to a VMS file with the writehexstring statement)s > > I > > I ended up doing this on a MAC with the acrobat disliller which, uponw4 > > executing the code, wrote my data to a mac file. > >nO > > Is there some V'S based postcript software that ia capable of handling file- > > operations ? > J > You could ask that Applied Synergy include it in V1.1 of the PDF Viewer.E > Postscript is quite similar to PDF, and that product is still under- > development.    H Well, PDF and PS have many similarities, but they are not the same.  The? PDF Viewer would not be the appropriate place for this support.h  F However, we do have other PDF and PS tools.  If you don't mind, pleaseH send me the Postscript file you wanted to convert.  I'ld like to see how" it does with some of our software.  F I have suggested to some people within Compaq that the technology usedF within the PDF Viewer could be adapted to provide a Display PostscriptC replacement, but so far I haven't gotten any responses.  (I haven'te> pushed it very hard, either, while working on the PDF Viewer.)  C In leiu of the Display Postscript support in VMS (which seems to be-D going away with V7.3), would there be value in a "Postscript Viewer"( utility?  What would it need to support?  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------f$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com l   Fax: 817-237-3074n   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:06:05 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)= Subject: Re: Replacing system disk, will licenses still work?t6 Message-ID: <8qqoid$idp$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  d In article <39cfd77c.63734120@newshost.anu.edu.au>, Murray.Dawson@anu.edu.au (Murray Dawson) writes:J :I was going to take the disk out of the good machine and dump it to a newA :disk using dd on a Unix box, but now I'll try doing it in place."  J   OpenVMS has a variety of tools (bootable CD-ROM media, etc) that permit L   access to disks, as well as file-level, logical, and physical disk copies.H   Like you would use dd, I tend to use the physical tools to transfer orI   duplicate the volume-level media contents of various OpenVMS disks and  /   of disks from other operating systems around.(  H   BACKUP/IMAGE and BACKUP/PHYSICAL are the OpenVMS tools, and the CD-ROMI   distribution media permits you to bootstrap OpenVMS itself, and you cansI   then MOUNT and access (normally) the various other disk(s) of interest e   on the target system.l  H   The bootable environment is the closest analog that OpenVMS has to theF   UNIX single-user mode -- it _is_ different, as OpenVMS does not bootH   through single-user mode into multi-user mode, but the bootable CD-ROMK   environment is used for the same sorts of things as the UNIX single-user.M@   (Disk BACKUPs is one of the things it is commonly used for...)  G   Bootable media is commonly available and documented on recent OpenVMSaE   VAX distributions -- I'm guessing you have a fairly old OpenVMS VAX I   version and (if you even have it) distribution, and quite possibly one aH   that is too old to have this bootable environment.  (Assuming you haveH   a CD-ROM drive, too -- various older VAX systems often used tape mediaF   for distributions, and the VAX tape media does not have the bootable>   environment available.  Get yourself a CD-ROM drive, etc...)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:19:39 -0500r/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>n. Subject: Re: restart an Alpha ETN42-CA machineO Message-ID: <5FF780B60A4F85B7.EB00B84CA624B303.6BCAE0E6253DFE65@lp.airnews.net>t   Didier Morandi wrote:o > E > I was given a few months ago an ALPHA desktop type ETN42-CA without J > terminal or anything else. No cable, no nothing. I decided these days to8 > boot it. It is supposed to have VMS 6.something in it.   According to Businesslink:  ) ETN42-CA   AXPpci 33S,ARC,BOX,CD,FDD,PS2 -   Marketing Description '                   AXPpci 33 Motherboardf                   Includes:f1                   o ZIF socket for Alpha AXP chipe(                   o 233-MHz Alpha 21066A6                   o New PS2 keyboard connector spacing'                   o Baby-AT form factore                   o ARC consoleK                    o Design guide(                   o Seven-slot enclosure                   o CD drive                    o Floppy drive1                   o No software licenses or medias    G -----------------------------------------------------------------------a$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com s   Fax: 817-237-3074e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:50:04 -0400m0 From: Glenn and Mary Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> Subject: Re: S2000 sigtapese' Message-ID: <39D1362C.3D89CB27@gce.com>e  ' A question arose about sigtape indices.aH Every sigtape has an index. The S2000 tape index is in [00avmslt...] andG has a file named abstract.doc (I think; could be abstract.txt) which iswJ a thumbnail sketch of what is there, and another which is called for s2000I vmslt00atpe.doc which is pretty much the same. There is also a file named E aaareadme.00a (aaareadme.00a* actually; might have some extra suffix)lJ which has all the aaareadme.txt files from the collection. That is the topL level documentation. You do have to dig to find more; there are lots of textH or lately also html files in there. I try to keep the first parts of docI file filenames the same as the binary they go with. Search is your friendrH here btw, to look for filenames as well. Also docs are inside compressedD files in some cases tho I prefer to have some additional text on the outside.  C There is also on each sigtape an [.old_aaareadme] directory. It has.C these files for EVERY VMS sigtape since spring 1979. Quality variessE greatly and a heck of a lot depends on whether the person who put outiG a collection also had a doc file. The ones I have to concoct tend to bek shorter. Glenn Everhart Everhart@gce.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:49:17 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c2 Subject: Re: Set proc/SUSP /RESUME weird behaviour, Message-ID: <39D15218.E4C8DB51@videotron.ca>   David Jones wrote:J > I imagine somehow you are managing to issue a resume when the process isK > not suspended (e.g. multiple processes are issuing these commands).  When H > that happens, the 'resume pending' bit is set in the process status soJ > the next suspend request will not suspend the process (but it will clear > the resume pending).  M Thanks. That is a most plausible explanation. But the behaviour of VMS is notoK something that is what one would expect. If I issue SET PROC/SUSP/ID=xxxx ItN expect xxxx to be suspended no matter what previous SET PROC/RESUME might have been issued in the past.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:01:09 +0100A+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>n# Subject: Re: SRAM Corruption Threada' Message-ID: <39D10E95.8CE08E07@iee.org>u   Nigel Arnot wrote:H > A cosmic-ray particle shower seemed the most likely explanation to me./ > I've never observed anything like this again.r  A Back in the days of the VAX-11/780 series and the VAX 8600 seriess: I remember reading about "soft" and "hard" memory errors.   = "Soft" errors were due to energetic particles flipping a bit s; somewhere and getting caught out by ECC - this error would O: obviously be unlikely to happen in the same RAM-bit again.  = "Hard" errors stayed there and were due to component defects.P  C Quite where the idea that these energetic particles might be cosmiccA rays, I do not know. All the technical descriptions I read at thea> time made it quite clear that the particles originated in the = *packaging* used for the RAM chips (i.e. the plastic in which  they were encased).n  6 The problem was "solved" by using different materials.   Antonioe   -- /   ---------------t- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 15:43 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)t' Subject: Re: Suggested VMS new feature!l- Message-ID: <26SEP200015430817@gerg.tamu.edu>t  R In article <009F09EB.A22E311D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes...[ }In article <39CE93C2.1B164AAA@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: ( }>"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: }>> L }>> The question is how to handle this for DELETE/PURGE with all of the file1 }>> versions which can be maintained on a volume.  }>P }>Been thinking about such a utility.  Doubt it's be worth writing, from a sales }>point of view. }>R }>FILE.EXT;V could end up with a name in the 'wastebasket' of DIR_FILE.EXT_V.  I'dO }>think the subdirectories in the directory specification could be delimited byeJ }>some default character with installation specific override.  Putting theM }>directory in the filename allows a wildcard to be used to present to a userr% }>those files he may want to recover.m } I }The UNDELETE request seems to come from the single-use PeeCee mindset.  lH }What do you do if one morning all the users on the system login and, inI }a pre-coffee stupor, delete their LOGIN.COM file and request the operato I }to restore it?  Which LOGIN.COM of several hundred in the WASTEBASKET do: }you restore and to whom???I }--RP }VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  I One solution to this is to simply give the file a name in the wastebasketaI that is a sequential number, and the extender as well (you could make one-F of the the owner UIC or encoded deletion time, or both, if you want toF make use of this storage space for some potentially useful info). ThenF have an indexed file that correlates that number to a complete list ofD what directory, filename, username, protection, create/modify/backupH date-times, and anything else I've left off (ACLs could stay attached toF the actual file). This means that you have to run a special program toF look in the wastebasket instead of a DIR (unless the DIRECTORY commandG is also modified to be wastebasket aware), but avoids any such problems- as you mention.    --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2000 17:34:56 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <10jyle4rPDaP@eisner.decus.org>t  \ In article <8qqh75$19f$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:, > In article <39D0B389.51B5C2DB@uk.sun.com>,4 > andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  M >>> Is it perhaps to try and deflect this threads topic of conversation? Thise7 >>> cache issue is a Engineering problem at many sites.d >>> C >>No I have answerved the ecache posts, this is about exposing you c< >>to a bit of scrutiny which you quite obviously don't like. >> > I > What a delightful neologism!  Yes, you've anSWERVED one direction, then + > SWERVED in the other on the ecache posts.  >   & 	SWERVING and SPINNING out of control.    I http://yahoo.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-2870747.html?pt.yfin.cat_fin.txt.nes  $    September 26, 2000, 1:05 p.m. PT   N Sun has been having problems with the "ecache" memory subsystem on its currentM servers but is close to fixing it, Shoemaker(1) said. The company has stopped,O buying components from one of its two suppliers that sold Sun products with the-9 problem and has declared the fix to be its top priority. o  N Moreover, Sun said it has stopped requiring customers experiencing the problemI to sign nondisclosure agreements--legal documents forbidding signees fromeK discussing the information. The company also has released "kernel scrubber"n* software that reduces the memory problem.     > 	"Close to fixing it."  But we thought it was fixed last year!C 	A Sun Enterprise IT Architect told us so.  And isn't an Enterprise3< 	IT Architect more powerful than an Executive Vice President: 	of a Product Division?  No?  Woe is me... my brain hurts.= 	I woulda thunk an Enterprise IT Architect was more powerful. A 	Guess not.  Hey Andrew, better check with your handlers.  ecache < 	still isn't fixed yet (close but no cigar.. so for now they! 	are just real busy scrubbin it.)    	Spin on Andrew... Spin on!    				Rob   N (1) John Shoemaker, Executive Vice President of Sun's systems products group.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Sep 2000 20:40:31 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist+ Message-ID: <tTN77IY5cKls@eisner.decus.org>   \ In article <8qqh75$19f$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:, > In article <39D0B389.51B5C2DB@uk.sun.com>,4 > andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >>"Main, Kerry" wrote: >>> 
 >>> Andrew ..  >>> L >>> Why do you keep harping on the 22 hour outage as if it was the only one? >>> K >>> Although it may have been the longest, the site was in the press almostaL >>> monthly during the last 12-18 months (I do not feel it is appropriate to >>> post all of the urls). >>> D >>> All one has to do is read the announcement board for the latest:* >>> http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml >>>  >>> 09/23/00L >>> "This morning between 08:30 and 10:06 PDT the Feedback forum and My eBay >>> account statusK >>> information were unavailable due to a hardware failure. My eBay accountgL >>> status information was again unavailable from 13:45 to 13:55 PDT and theK >>> feedback forum was unavailable from 13:45 to 14:05 PDT while additionalEM >>> maintenance was performed on both systems. Account status access remainedyO >>> intermittent until 15:15 PDT while the fix propagated through our systems."  >>> E >>> Is is Sun related? Don't know. Does anyone know what system theser >>> applications run on? >>> B >>Well thats the whole point isn't it Kerry, you don't know. eBay E >>uses Sun's and NT boxes and it also has network hardware and it has C >>ISP's. The statement made says there was a hardware failure, whatk >>hardware RC >>was it Sun's, NT boxes or their network, you don't know and thats90 >>why the 22 hour outage is such a good example. >>? >>A lot of people including you automatically thought that the .> >>22 hour outage was caused by Sun HW/SW probably because you A >>wanted to think this and because it gave you a great oportunity  >>to FUD Sun.  > ; > Gosh, it might have been eBay's management original criesr= > of outrage at Sun that might have led us in that direction.w >    [snip] t   And so forth and so on.     A Just so people don't think that EBay is the only place where Sun o. hardware fails, I'll relate my recent Sunburn.  > Last week my wife, who is the IS manager for a shop that uses = Sun equipment, had their main Sun server in their colo in SanaA Francisco die with a hardware failure on Friday afternoon.  After @ determining the hardware problem, the best the Sun FS reps couldA do was to get the parts and get there by 9:30A the next day.  ShetB called them from the colo on Saturday at 8:30A to see if they were> going to be there when they said they would.  They didn't know? anything about the parts the previous rep said they needed, butu? if they started now they should be able to get them to the sitep@ by noon.  At noon they said they would be delayed until the lateA afternoon, maybe 3PM, since most of the reps were tied up with anc@ E10000 problem at Bank of America.  She finally got out of there by 7PM.   > That evening at a housewarming party with a couple dozen other8 computer system managers, I asked the Sun types if their> experiences with Sun HW was similar.  Every single one of them) had a number of horror stories to tell.      ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 23:17:00 +0100 1 From: "Graham HAZLEGREAVES" <qg38@dial.pipex.com>8 Subject: Teaming gigabit nic's) Message-ID: <8qr7ia$lrl$1@lure.pipex.net>n  E We have a couple of Alphaserver 4100 5/400 which each have 2, gigabitr" ethernet cards in them (GEGPA-SA).  K Is there some way we can team (is this the right expression) these togethersA so that as far as VMS is concerned they are just a single device?e   Cheers.o   Graham   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 23:05:44 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: Teaming gigabit nic's6 Message-ID: <8qra48$lfv$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <8qr7ia$lrl$1@lure.pipex.net>, "Graham HAZLEGREAVES" <qg38@dial.pipex.com> writes:eF :We have a couple of Alphaserver 4100 5/400 which each have 2, gigabit# :ethernet cards in them (GEGPA-SA).t : L :Is there some way we can team (is this the right expression) these togetherB :so that as far as VMS is concerned they are just a single device?  A   What is on the other end of the connections, what protocols ares;   in use, what OpenVMS version, what are the goals, etc....t  B   The literal answer -- without details of just what protocols andD   what goal(s) you have -- is "no".  That said, DECnet can and does @   use multiple controllers in parallel, as does TCP/IP Services.  D   "Team" is not typical terminology I've heard used in this context.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:52:11 -0500n/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>r9 Subject: Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)-O Message-ID: <A748DAAAF24183AD.18BA6021A5D5047F.80BFF660C54999A6@lp.airnews.net>l   SysAdmin wrote:H > E > Y'know, just thinking about it, I'm curious now: How does WhineDozetI > handle the concept of the "recycle Bin" in a system with more than justf > the C: drive for read/write? > ; > For example: if I send D:\MYFILE.DOC into the recycle bingB > (C:\WINDOWS\RECYCLED\), does the file still live on D:, or is it > transferred to C:? >  > ...or on NT:  E Each device has its own recycle bin.  You don't send D:\MYFILE.DOC to  the recycle bin on C:.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------e$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com d   Fax: 817-237-3074s   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 18:44:02 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: use of LIB$GET_VM6 Message-ID: <8qqqpi$ir9$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K In article <8qpgt7$mik$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, richard_maher@my-deja.com writes:   : :You may wish to look at the undocumented lib$vm_realloc.   E   I think lib$vm_realloc is/was documented -- IIRC, this group of RTLdD   functions made it into a new features or the release notes manual G   circa V5.2, but apparently did not make it over into the LIB$ manual.eD   (If time permits, I'll dredge up the old manuals and see if I can    confirm.)   *     char *lib$vm_malloc(long requestSize);/     char *lib$vm_calloc(long count, long size); /     char *lib$vm_realloc(char *ptr, long size);e&     vms_status lib$vm_free(char *ptr);  1   These calls were put in place explicitly for C.n  D   I'd tend to recommend the use of the lib$get_vm and related calls.  D   I'd not mix calls on the same chunk(s) of memory -- if you use the@   lib$get_vm call to allocate a chunk of memory, (only) use the &   lib$free_vm call to free that chunk.  A :(What ever happened to GillingsP? I'm sure he replied in the RTL-B :conference [that I think Steve Lionel moderates] that there was aF :magical number 1.412345? that made sense) But seriously, where is he?5 :He'd be a lot more use to this user group than some.2  I   I have no idea what sort of schedule Mr. Gillings is presently keeping. H   The activity patterns and the accessors of the many (Compaq-internal) F   conferences are obviously rather different than that of the various %   (externally-accessable) newsgroups.s  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 19:34:49 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Using shared memory on OpenVMS 6 Message-ID: <8qqtop$j8f$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <39CA174D.359B9979@secco.de>, Neway Manalebih <Neway.Manalebih@secco.de> writes:eI :Does anyone have some experience in programming shared memory access and  :creation on OpenVMS using C?   J   OpenVMS Ask The Wizard area has a complete example of using the $crmpsc L   and related services (in C), and a complete example of using COMMON (also I   in C).  The former is in the "topics asked by partners" section at the -I   left of the page, and the latter is buried down in the Q-and-A section c#   as the answer to question (2486).c  
   The URL:  )     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/-  A   I've also submitted a set of updates to the OpenVMS Programmingm>   Concepts manual, providing full source code examples (in C).  * :Could anyone please send me some samples?     Ask here, get an answer here.g  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:55:48 +08000- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>m; Subject: Re: VAX ODL,  AXP ODL, and PC Readable Documention + Message-ID: <39D14594.6CFFC3FF@bigpond.com>c   Peter Weaver wrote:. > 
 > Background:cH > In our September 2000 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Library there was@ > a letter (AV-RDA6J-TE) that stated "for your evaluation, we'veD > included PC-Readable Online Documentation CDROMs within the OnlineF > Documentation Folder ... in addition to beta versions of the BNU andC > Bookreader software redesigned to run natively on MS-Windows, theh6 > ODL-PC incorporates AltaVista Search functionality." > D > At the time we searched the Software Product Library folder (since> > that was the folder the letter came in) but did not find theE > documentation CD. We assumed that since the letter said "within the E > Online Documentation Folder" we would get the CD's when our OpenVMS H > VAX Online Documentation Library folder came in. Well our VAX ODL came9 > in today and we still can not find a PC readable CDROM.   C I just had a look in out DOC kit and found the two CDs in question.E> The look similar to the regular ones except that they have the= text "Promotional CD-ROM" under the title and the labels havet$ an underscore before the last digit.  @ > We noticed that when we downloaded the latest PC BNU beta fromF > http://www.openvms.digital.com/odl_axp_beta.html that it assumes the > CD is labeled AXPDOCSEP00. >  > Questions:H > Does this mean that we can only get the PC version of BNU if we have a > subscription to the AXP ODL?  1 Probably, I couldn't find the CDs in the VAX kit.t  H > I have been under the impression that the VAX ODL and the AXP ODL wereH > identical and it didn't matter if we subscribed to the VAX or AXP ODL.D > At least that is what DEC told me when I ordered my first AXP in aH > previous life. Are there other differences between the AXP ODL and the
 > VAX ODL? > A > Has anyone out there tried the PC version of BNU? What are youre > impressions?  . I am installing it now and will comment later.   -- l Regards, Dave. I -------------------------------------------------------------------------AI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comnI DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmlI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" LennonO   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:06:10 -0000r- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)s5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?e/ Message-ID: <st1pci5ic3k9c9@news.supernews.com>t   >|> F >|> Good programs would have all their nonportable stuff isolated in aE >|> few modules and hidden behind a small API.  You'd have to replacetE >|> those modules when porting to a new platform, but the bulk of the   >|> code would remain unchanged. >-@ >Since when are "good" and "portable" synonyms??  I can think of> >lot's of good programs none of which are in any way (nor were >they intended to be) portable.(  I Good obviously has many meanings - and "portable" can fairly be called a 0K contributor.  I'd like to see programmers recognize the difference between ,I language contructs, and o/s ones - and isolate the o/s ones.  It's not a cF matter of designing for an operating system you don't know, it more a G matter of recognizing which features belong to the language, and which D features belong to the o/s.i  L And let's avoid the argument about completing objectives - like portability E vrs. performance.  Yes, hiding an o/s-specific operation inside of a fJ callable function can introduce overhead.  But is it significant?  In the L vast majority of cases I've seen - no - not even close.  In the occassional C case where it is - well, that's why GOD gave us the #ifdef - right?e  K While I'm on a rant, I'd also like to see programmers STOP writing in-line bL functions because they don't want to use existing application library calls L (or learn them, or look them up, or _insert_lack-of-discipline-excuse_here_ D ).  Every stinkin line of unneeded code that gets in-lined this way K contributes to the overall cost of maintaining the code - and for a system  J with long-term legs, maintenance costs usually exceed development costs -  significantly.  G And to top the whole steamin pile off, I'll dump the notion of a "test mF harness" on you.  If the development environment for a module doesn't L include additional code to exercise/test/debug it, it ain't complete.  Fred L Brooks refers to this in "The Mythical Man Month" as scaffolding - it's the A tools the programmers use to construct, test and verify that the aK deliverable module is doing its business correctly.  If I voted on what is  J "good code" (and I sometimes get to), it would be code that came with the L requisite scaffolding, so that when I modified/extended/ported or otherwise ( mangled it, I could verify my manglings!   Thank you for the soap box.a   ws   --   << Boycott Shampoo >>  << Demand REAL POO >>R   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:20:21 -0400u" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?p; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926141913.02a67100@24.8.96.48>n  0 At 09:30 AM 9/26/00 +0000, Phillip Helbig wrote:I >In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000925152242.02236be0@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalskie ><dan@sidhe.org> writes: >.G > > I've only tangental experience with Apache, but I can tell you thatm8 > > configuring perl is a decidedly non-trivial process. >>E >Dave Jones, author of the OSU web server, once uttered the followingTH >words of wisdom, I believe on the OSU web server mailing list.  (On theI >subject of portability, I believe this web server will run under unix ast >well).i >wN >>BTW, the source code to perl gives me a headache, I haven't seen anything soO >>convoluted since I did the Maple ports for Waterloo.  The comments are eithersH >>quotes from 'Lord of the Rings' or self-congratulatory remarks of how  >>efficient0& >>or clever the next block of code is.  K Dave was being rather less kind than necessary. There are a fair number of  C comments scattered around the source. Still, it is rather sparsely  I documented in places, and even if it was (given the source implements an rI interpreter) it still would take a lot of work to get a handle on things.a   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------n2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenc;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:19:01 -0400n" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS? ; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926141606.02a67380@24.8.96.48>   1 At 08:55 AM 9/26/00 -0500, Larry Kilgallen wrote:?D >In article <8qpqar$su7$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl  >(Phillip Helbig) writes:G >sE > > BTW, the source code to perl gives me a headache, I haven't seen n
 > anything solK > > convoluted since I did the Maple ports for Waterloo.  The comments are i > eitherJ > > quotes from 'Lord of the Rings' or self-congratulatory remarks of how  > efficientm( > > or clever the next block of code is. >-G >Anyone who comments on how "efficient" a piece of source code might be(G >is obviously confused about the place of compilers in modern computingN >environments.  C The code in question probably predates modern agressive optimizing gH compilers, and even if doesn't it's likely still valid. There are still L some rather funky things one can do to eke out another few cycles, and perl K tends to do them. (Makes the code a bear to maintain, but it is a language o/ interpreter, and the faster it goes the better)l     					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------t2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenr;                                       teddy bears get drunkb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:34:54 -04003" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?a; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926143341.02a7ceb0@24.8.96.48>t  0 At 06:06 PM 9/26/00 +0000, Warren Spencer wrote:K >While I'm on a rant, I'd also like to see programmers STOP writing in-linewL >functions because they don't want to use existing application library callsL >(or learn them, or look them up, or _insert_lack-of-discipline-excuse_here_D >).  Every stinkin line of unneeded code that gets in-lined this wayK >contributes to the overall cost of maintaining the code - and for a systemtJ >with long-term legs, maintenance costs usually exceed development costs - >significantly.a  J I'd like to see that as well. Amongst other reasons, for reasonably large I apps, inlining commonly used code is actually a loss--function calls are wI really cheap, and cache misses are *not*, at least on modern processors. mJ Turning multi-statement macros into a function can actually speed up your 
 program...   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and eveno;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:08:18 GMTa+ From: Craig A. Berry <calepine@my-deja.com>e5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?w) Message-ID: <8qqs6j$8pk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u  + In article <ZdeqAeo4leG2@eisner.decus.org>,i<   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:D > In article <8qpqar$su7$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: >sD > > BTW, the source code to perl gives me a headache, I haven't seen anything socF > > convoluted since I did the Maple ports for Waterloo.  The comments
 are eitherE > > quotes from 'Lord of the Rings' or self-congratulatory remarks ofd
 how efficientu( > > or clever the next block of code is. >oH > Anyone who comments on how "efficient" a piece of source code might beH > is obviously confused about the place of compilers in modern computing > environments.p <snip>D > If they really meant how "efficient" it is during the compilation,5 > they are even more deluded about what is important.   C It's risky to review a book you haven't read, and the same goes foriE source code. I assure you the authors of Perl know a great deal aboutrA how compilers actually work.  I'm not sure what the comments were,A saying that David Jones refers to, but when one is implementing alC language one certainly does need to know what is efficient and what$? isn't.  Perl is itself a pre-compiled language and its internalwD structures obviously need to be designed for efficiency, both in theE compilation pass when those structures are built, and in the run-times@ pass when those structures are interpreted.  Plus there are manyG measures of efficiency that should be applied to the C in which Perl ispA written, whether it's absence of memory leaks or presence of gooda	 comments.:  A The Perl team does sometimes deserve David Jones's understandablyuD frustrated remark since comments can be sparse in some places and inG other places show echoes of the newsgroup arguments from which the coderF originally derived.  In yet other places the comments are exactly whatD is needed assuming one already knows how Perl internals work (a veryD big if).  Some things are hard because they are hard and not because someone has been careless.  E One of the difficult things about Perl code is that it brings so muchOC with it.  Knowing ANSI C doesn't fully prepare you to read the Perl-D sources because everything from allocating storage to initializing aF variable to writing to a file all have Perl-specific interfaces; it isC a language implementation after all.  These interfaces are all wellm< documented, but that doesn't mean using them is easy for theE uninitiated.  Perl folks spend a great deal of time talking about andSB working on how to do it better; there is currently a rewrite-from-D scratch effort underway.  [VMS guru Dan Sugalski is the group leaderB for internals development and I know he'll enforce good commenting procedures :-)].  D Back to the question of portability, Perl includes an extensive UnixF compatibility library and porters would do well to look at [.vms]vms.cA in the Perl distribution.  Some of what you'll see is specific toa@ Perl, but there are a lot of wrappers and replacements for C RTLA functions, and they have been tested on a much wider range of VMSDC versions and C compilers than the porting library from Compaq.  TheeD Compaq library, on the other hand, has some goodies Perl doesn't [or" hasn't yet had time to steal ;-)].    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Sep 2000 19:43:52 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?d6 Message-ID: <8qqu9o$j8f$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <st1aip7c4gth17@corp.supernews.com>, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes:fH :There are only a very few places where access to the source of the CRTLK :would have helped me.  And mainly it would have been to verify areas where@M :the documentation seemed a little vague.  It was in most cases simply fastercG :to write small programs and observe the behavior than requesting help.T  J   If you hit one of these ambigous areas again, please email it along and F   I will dispatch the report through to the C technical writing staff.  L :The big thing that I needed was fcntl() locking, and I was told that it was? :a desired feature, but not on the implementation schedule yet.c  H   Folks are and have been looking at the locking calls, though I know ofI   no release plans.  Byte-range locking gets very interesting, given the l;   usual OpenVMS RMS-level locking model expected elsewhere.t  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:35:48 -0500t/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>n5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?eO Message-ID: <92ABE068ABCD8891.1D9A9B52BE037874.241F556678D99B14@lp.airnews.net>H   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  > M > The big thing that I needed was fcntl() locking, and I was told that it wase@ > a desired feature, but not on the implementation schedule yet. > N > As it is, my fcntl() locking is not exactly on UNIX, but as close as I couldK > get using RMS.  If you attempt to lock a part of a record, I have to lock-F > the entire record.  It would take an enhancement to RMS locking, andE > probably a change to the way C programs do I/O in order to get 100%-
 > compliance.-    H I don't know if it would solve your problem or not, but the $ENQ service0 has an undocumented capability to lock "ranges".  E WAG: I assume that this capability was for Posix support.  Since thisnF capability is undocumented, and Posix has been depreciated, the future? (or even present) status of this feature could be questionable.i  H You can see part of this from SDA.  When you show a lock, it is shown as& granted at "xx" followed by the range.  E I don't know if there is a way to get RMS to support this.  You mightmC need to do your own locking and block I/O, i.e., emulate UNIX stylek locking and I/O.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------a$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com d   Fax: 817-237-3074m   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 00:38:57 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)C5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS? , Message-ID: <8qrfj1$22r6$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  . In article <8qo0b2$ccd$1@info.service.rug.nl>,-  helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:i; |> In article <8qnta4$snv$2@news1.Radix.Net>, Thomas Dickey-' |> <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> writes: 4 |> 0K |> >....indeed: but turn it around - what programs are developed on VMS andP# |> >then ported to other platforms?e |> - |> LYNX?  F I sure hope your kidding.  Every version of LYNX prior to 2.8.3pre5 isB considered to be an unacceptable security risk (can you say bufferF over-runs!!) by those very Unix guys that everyone here seems to blame! for inventing the buffer overrun.t   bill   -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 01:31:40 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>e5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?i* Message-ID: <8qrils$php$4@news1.Radix.Net>  2 Bill Gunshannon <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  H > I sure hope your kidding.  Every version of LYNX prior to 2.8.3pre5 isD > considered to be an unacceptable security risk (can you say bufferH > over-runs!!) by those very Unix guys that everyone here seems to blame# > for inventing the buffer overrun."  F you really ought to read more postings by that "very Unix guy" - aboutI 30% of his postings are completely absurd.  (unfortunately, the 5% that'sB meaningful makes work for me).   -- t= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>X http://dickey.his.comi ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 01:28:43 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> 5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?r* Message-ID: <8qrigb$php$3@news1.Radix.Net>  + Phillip Helbig <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote:i: > In article <8qnta4$snv$2@news1.Radix.Net>, Thomas Dickey& > <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> writes:   I >>....indeed: but turn it around - what programs are developed on VMS and ! >>then ported to other platforms?i   > LYNX?e  F bad example from the standpoint of portability (it has roughly 4 timesG as many ifdef's per line of code as vile, though I've pruned away a lot- of it).-   -- -= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>S http://dickey.his.comn ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 01:26:28 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>u5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?-* Message-ID: <8qric4$php$2@news1.Radix.Net>  2 Bill Gunshannon <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote:0 > In article <8qo0b2$ccd$1@info.service.rug.nl>,/ >  helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:s= > |> In article <8qnta4$snv$2@news1.Radix.Net>, Thomas Dickeyb) > |> <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> writes:   > |> bM > |> >....indeed: but turn it around - what programs are developed on VMS and % > |> >then ported to other platforms?  > |> u
 > |> LYNX?  H > I sure hope your kidding.  Every version of LYNX prior to 2.8.3pre5 is  $ The current version of lynx is 2.8.3   It's available at  	http://lynx.browser.org! 	http://sol.slcc.edu/lynx/releasem 	ftp://lynx.isc.org/lynx-2.8.3 2.8.4 Development & patches:' 	http://lynx.isc.org/current/index.htmln   --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>o http://dickey.his.coms ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.540 ************************