1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 28 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 542       Contents:( $42,000 for $6...Sound Good?  Read On..!$ Adv Srv -> NT directory replication?/ Re: Alpha CPU top performance, but without OVMS / Re: Alpha CPU top performance, but without OVMS / Re: Alpha CPU top performance, but without OVMS  Alphaserver enhacements  Re: Alphaserver enhacements  Re: Alphaserver enhacements  Re: Alphaserver enhacements  Re: Alphaserver enhacements 6 Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT6 Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT2 Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT6 Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT Re: balls and parachutes Re: balls and parachutes Re: balls and parachutes Re: balls and parachutes re: balls and parachutes Re: balls and parachutes Re: balls and parachutes, Re: Cabletron Digital Networks Products sold, Re: Cabletron Digital Networks Products sold( code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversion, Re: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversion, Re: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversion Re: Compaq postcard  Re: Compaq VMS promo	 DCPS V1.8 
 Re: DCPS V1.8 - DEC 3000 memory problems? (VMS boot problems)  DEC server 700 running LAT DEC server 700 running LAT DEC server 700 running LAT Re: DEC server 700 running LAT Re: ERRFMT in RWMBX ' I Found 1000s Of Free Hits at MDS  7434 - Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales 1 Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales 1 RE: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales 1 Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales 3 Re: Memo:  Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory  Re: NTP with UCX 4.2( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?# Re: OT:  More MSFT on US Navy ships " Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy ships" Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy ships Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS % Re: Postscript file operations on VMS  Re: Press Release  Re: Press Release  Privileges needed for PHONE  Re: Privileges needed for PHONE 3 Re: Questions about LN20 and no answer from Genicom  Re: Shadow set.  Re: Suggested VMS new feature!! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist  Re: Teaming gigabit nic's  Re: Teaming gigabit nic's  This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile, UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!) use of LIB$GET_VM  User Authentication  Re: User Authentication  Re: User Authentication 
 Volume set, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:32:20 -0700 (PDT)  From: gold@9roce55.com1 Subject: $42,000 for $6...Sound Good?  Read On..! - Message-ID: <0G1K00FJFSDJOT@mx.west.saic.com>    Hello info-vaxC : First, I would like to start off by telling you that I am 18 and  = : ROLLING in cash. I'm thinking about buying a lot of stuff.   : N : This WORKS! But you must follow my instructions to the letter. Once you get 1 : the hang of it though, it's really easy. So if  M : you want some extra cash, and would like to earn it by doing nothing, then  O : it's worth it. All you have to do is follow the directions and you'll make a  ! : ton!. To get the details, read   : on.......................  : ' : THIS REALLY CAN MAKE YOU EASY MONEY!  I : A little while back, I was browsing some newsgroups and came across an  H : article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars L : within weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, "OK, 
 : why not N : try this, if its a scam I'll only lose $6.00." Besides, it's so simple - no O : complicated stuff like mailing disks to people [some of the others are based  L : on selling computer disks to people]. Anyway, it told me to send $1.00 to ( : each of the 6 people on the list. You L : then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at #6, and J : post the article in some newsgroups (there are literally thousands). No A : catch, that was it. So I thought 'hey, what have I got to lose  - : except six stamps and a few bucks, right?'  K : But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried   : about M : the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office  ? : (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal!  0 : I then invested the measly $6.00, and stamps. K : Well, GUESS WHAT.....within 7 days, I started getting money in the mail!  G : I was shocked! I still figured it would end soon, and didn't give it  O : another thought. I had done an experiment, and I made back my $7.92. But the  1 : money just kept coming in. In my first week, I  N : made about $36.00 dollars. By the end of the second week I had made a total  : of  N : over $1,000.00!!!!!! In the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still K : growing. This is now my fourth week and I have made a total of just over  4 : $42,000.00 and it's still coming in VERY rapidly! K : It's certainly worth $6.00, and 6 stamps, You could spend more than that  	 : on the   : lottery!! > : Let me tell you how this works and most importantly, WHY it N : works..... also, you might want to print a copy of this article, so you can K : refer to it as needed. The process is very simple and consists of 3 easy  	 : steps:   : N : STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on each one: D : "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST" + your name and address. Now I : get six American $1.00 bills(OR WHERE EVER YOU ARE FROM) and place ONE  ! : inside EACH of the 6 pieces of  > : paper and fold it over so the bill will not be seen through I : the envelope (to prevent theft). Now, put one paper in each of the six  O : envelopes and seal them. You should now have six sealed envelopes, each with  L : a piece of paper stating the above phrase, your name, your address, and a  : $1.00 bill.  : ; : STEP 2: Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:   : 
 : : #1 Tyler   : 1866 John Green RD.  : Winston Salem, NC.   : 27107  :  : #2 Travis  : 2840 mill wood lane  : Blacksburg, Va 24060   : 	 : #3 Rob   : 11 Joann Dr.   : Aston, PA 19014  : 
 : #4 Ryan  : 8 Clover PL.   : Chatham, Ont. 
 : N7L 5G5  :  : #5 Thomas  : 259 douse drive maungaraki  $ : lower hutt wellington new zealand  : 
 : #6 Nick  : 4656 Hawthorne Ct. : Middleton, Wi 53562  : I : STEP 3: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move the  M : other names up (#6 becomes #5, #5 becomes #4, etc...) and add YOUR Name as   : #6 on  : the list.  : M : STEP 4: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article as close  M : to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to some newsgroups  I : (I think there are close to 24,000 newsgroups) and/or email it to some  V : people, or you can post it on message boards. remember, the more you post, the more  : money you make! K : Don't know HOW to post in the newsgroups? Well do exactly the following:  N : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ) : DIRECTIONS - HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS  N : --------------------------------------------------------------------------- G : Step 1: You do not need to re-type this entire letter to do your own  M : posting. Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter, click and  G : hold down your mouse button. While continuing to hold down the mouse  K : button, drag your cursor to the bottom of this document and over to just   : after the I : last character, and release the mouse button. At this point the entire  E : letter should be highlighted. Then, from the 'edit' pull down menu  L : at the top of your screen select 'copy'. This will copy the entire letter  : into the computers memory.   : N : Step 2: Open a blank 'notepad' file and place your cursor at the top of the M : blank page. From the 'edit' pull down menu select 'paste'. This will paste  O : a copy of the letter into notepad so that you can add your name to the list.  L : Remember to eliminate the #1 position, move everyone up a spot (re-number 8 : everyone elses positions), and add yourself in as #6.  : & : Step 3: Save your new notepad file. ; : INSTEAD OF POSTING TO NEWSGROUPS YOU CAN ALSO SEND IT TO   : PEOPLE THROUGH E-MAIL.  * : ---------------------------------------   : FOR NETSCAPE NAVIGATOR USERS: * : --------------------------------------- K : Step 4: Within the Netscape program, go to the pull-down window entitled  K : 'Window'( If you can't find this, you can netsearch "newsgroups") select   : 'NetscapeNews'. * : Then from the pull down menu 'Options', F : select 'Show all Newsgroups'. After a few moments a list of all the M : newsgroups on your server will show up. Click on any newsgroup you desire.  M : From within this newsgroup, click on the 'TO NEWS' button, which should be    : in the top left corner of the 5 : newsgroups page. This will bring up a message box.   : M : Step 5: Fill in the Subject. This will be the header that everyone sees as  B : they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group.  : N : Step 6: Highlight the entire contents of your .txt file and copy them using K : the same technique as before. Go back to the newsgroup 'TO NEWS' posting  G : you are creating and paste the letter into the body of your posting.   : K : Step 7: Hit the 'Send' Button in the upper left corner. You're done with  % : your first one! Congratulations...   : 2 : -----------------------------------------------  : INTERNET EXPLORER USERS:  2 : ----------------------------------------------- J : Step 4: Go to newsgroups and select 'Post an Article' or 'New Message.'  : M : Step 5: Fill in the subject. This will be the header that everyone sees as  B : they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group.  : N : Step 6: Highlight the entire contents of your .txt file and copy them using K : the same technique as before. Go back to the newsgroup 'TO NEWS' posting  G : you are creating and paste the letter into the body of your posting.   : K : Step 7: Hit the 'Send' Button in the upper left corner. You're done with  % : your first one! Congratulations...  O : ----------------------------------------------------------------------------   : --------   : J : THAT'S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroupes and post M : away, after you get the hang of it, it will take about 30 seconds for each  
 : newsgroup!  ; : **THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN OR THE MORE PEOPLE YOU  3 : SEND IT TO, THE MORE MONEY YOU WILL** **MAKE!!**  H : That's it! You will begin reciving money from around the world within M : days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O.Box due to the large amount of  L : mail you receive. If you wish to stay anonymous, you can invent a name to / : use, as long as the postman will deliver it.  4 : **JUST MAKE SURE ALL THE ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT.**  : Now the WHY part: J : Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies (a very low example). L : So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of the 5 L : persons who just sent me $1.00 make 200 postings, each with my name at #5 H : and only 5 persons respond to each of the original 5, that is another N : $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 posts with my name at #4 and only  : 5 N : replies each, I will bring in an additional $125.00! Now, those 125 persons O : turn around and post 200 with my name at #3 and only receive 5 replies each,   : I I : will make an additional $626.00! OK, now here is the fun part, each of  K : those 625 persons post 200 letters with my name at #2 and they each only  
 : receive I : 5 replies, that just made me $3,125.00!!! Those 3,125 persons will all  9 : deliver this message to 200 newsgroups with my name at  D : #1 and if still 5 persons per 200 newsgroups react I will receive J : $15,625,00! With a original investment of only $6.00! AMAZING! And as I O : said 5 responses is actually VERY LOW! Average is probably 20 to 30! So lets   : put N : those figures at just 15 responses per person. Here is what you could make:  : at #6 $15.00   : at #5 $225.00  : at #4 $3,375.00  : at #3 $50,625.00   : at #2 $759,375.00  : at #1 $11,390,625.00  L : When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the latest posting N : in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names on the list, putting N : your name at number 6 again. And start posting again. The thing to remember M : is, do you realize that thousands of people all over the world are joining  L : the internet and reading these articles everyday, JUST LIKE YOU are now!! L : So can you afford $6.00 and see if it really works?? I think so... People M : have said, "what if the plan is played out and no one sends you the money?  M : So what! What are the chances of that happening when there are tons of new  F : honest users and new honest people who are joining the internet and H : newsgroups everday and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at M : 20,000 to 50,000 new users, every day, with thousands of those joining the  	 : actual  L : internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this will work. You just  : have to be honest.  K : Make sure you print this article out RIGHT NOW, also. Try to keep a list  L : of everyone that sends you money and always keep an eye on the newsgroups I : to make sure everyone is playing fairly. Remember, HONESTY IS THE BEST  
 : POLICY. = : You don't need to cheat the basic idea to make the money!!  I : GOOD LUCK to all and please play fairly and reap the huge rewards from  % : this, which is tons of extra CASH.    1 ================================================    A Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th US Congress this   letter cannot : be considered spam as long as the sender includes contact  information and a method   of removal. @ This is one time e-mail transmission. No request for removal is  necessary.     ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:00:06 GMT , From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com- Subject: Adv Srv -> NT directory replication? ) Message-ID: <8qtn4g$jro$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   B Does anyone have a solution to the lack of a directory replicationD service on Advanced Server?  I've toyed with the idea of a batch jobB that checks the f$file_attrib(,"Locked") and f$file_attrib(,"RDT")G (revision date & time), then copies any changed files using copy/ftp to G the other NT servers.  But, that exposes a big security hole, obviously G (ftp into the NetLogon share!), plus why re-invent the wheel if someone  else has already done it...   E It seemed like a good way to do something that could easily be ripped E out and replaced with a replication service should that ever make its " way into an update of the product.  ' But, I'm open to other ideas.  Got any?    Thanks in advance, Aaron     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:17:48 GMT % From: hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> 8 Subject: Re: Alpha CPU top performance, but without OVMS0 Message-ID: <39D26460.3741422D@bellatlantic.net>   Jordan Henderson wrote:  > . > In article <8qt7ut$dc3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,5 > David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote: V > >In article <39D22139.72D0E01@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:2 > >>But all results are achieved under Tru64 UNIX. > > I > >Of course they are.  All the latest preformance mods go into the Tru64 L > >compilers first (or ever), so programs built on that platform, even thoseI > >that are compute bound, will tend to be faster than the VMS equivalent % > >(although often by not very much.)  > K > I believe you'll find that the DECC backend is the same on OpenVMS, Tru64uG > and Linux.  There may be some delay in getting the absolute latest as C > an OpenVMS released product, but I wouldn't think it's very long.o  G Since you brought this up, does anyone know if the DECC backend runs ono NetBSD?a thanks bobo     >   M > >                                     Plus to the extent that disk IO playseK > >any role in the SPEC numbers they would want to run on Tru64 rather thanrM > >VMS as disk IO on Unix is faster (no RMS overheads and often disk IO therey, > >is really memory IO due to file caching.) > 	 > Agreed.  >  > > K > >It's no coincidence that the DOE, Celera, etc. all buy Tru64 rather thant& > >VMS for their big number crunchers. > >a > @ > There's also a cultural thing in Academia about using UNIX for? > academic computing these days that goes back to the early-mid A > '80s when you could get BSD UNIX for your VAXen essentially ford > free.r >  > >David Mathog   > >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduA > >Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, CaltechnM > >**************************************************************************0M > >*                                RIP VMS                                 *rM > >**************************************************************************e >  > -Jordan Hendersonn > jordan@greenapple.comD   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 23:20:55 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)8 Subject: Re: Alpha CPU top performance, but without OVMS, Message-ID: <8qtvcn$13u@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ` In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000927130827.02180de0@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes:/ >At 04:41 PM 9/27/00 +0000, David Mathog wrote: 9 >>In article <39D22139.72D0E01@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus T >><jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:2 >> >But all results are achieved under Tru64 UNIX. >>H >>Of course they are.  All the latest preformance mods go into the Tru64K >>compilers first (or ever), so programs built on that platform, even those H >>that are compute bound, will tend to be faster than the VMS equivalent$ >>(although often by not very much.) > K >I don't think that's really the case, at least not for the compilers that oH >use the GEM backend. That's platform-neutral (I know of at least one C L >optimizer bug that hit VMS, Tru64, and WinNT) for the most part. Tru64 may : >get a release of a compiler sooner, but that's really it.   No it isn't.    F There are optimization methods available in the Tru64 C compilers thatK don't exist on OpenVMS.  For OpenVMS there is no EV6 variant of CXML and noaG OpenMP (at all).  I've been told by a person who definitely should knowtG that there was a command level decision NOT to put much (any) work intoc8 performance enhancements for the the OpenVMS compilers.   L Feel free to buttonhole the compiler guys at CETS and see what they have to  say.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:41:01 -0700 ! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>-8 Subject: Re: Alpha CPU top performance, but without OVMS+ Message-ID: <39D2BDCD.8D81B2BD@tmisnet.com>   a How do we find these compilers guys at CETS.  Are they the ones with the flashy balls or without?      David Mathog wrote:a  b > In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000927130827.02180de0@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes:1 > >At 04:41 PM 9/27/00 +0000, David Mathog wrote:t: > >>In article <39D22139.72D0E01@iaf.fhg.de>, Theo Jakobus  > >><jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> writes:4 > >> >But all results are achieved under Tru64 UNIX. > >>J > >>Of course they are.  All the latest preformance mods go into the Tru64M > >>compilers first (or ever), so programs built on that platform, even thoseoJ > >>that are compute bound, will tend to be faster than the VMS equivalent& > >>(although often by not very much.) > >iL > >I don't think that's really the case, at least not for the compilers thatI > >use the GEM backend. That's platform-neutral (I know of at least one CtM > >optimizer bug that hit VMS, Tru64, and WinNT) for the most part. Tru64 mayh< > >get a release of a compiler sooner, but that's really it. >- > No it isn't. > H > There are optimization methods available in the Tru64 C compilers thatM > don't exist on OpenVMS.  For OpenVMS there is no EV6 variant of CXML and nooI > OpenMP (at all).  I've been told by a person who definitely should know I > that there was a command level decision NOT to put much (any) work intot9 > performance enhancements for the the OpenVMS compilers.o >tM > Feel free to buttonhole the compiler guys at CETS and see what they have tog > say. >u
 > Regards, >y > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur@ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 13:54:52 -0300i) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br   Subject: Alphaserver enhacementsL Message-ID: <OF87DBE0B2.EAC86942-ON83256967.005C92D5@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H An interesting hardware from HP  should be implemented on Alphaservers.= ..  H It=B4s the LAN console, an ethernet / serial board which enables a remo= te connection to theI HP  server console (GSP).e  
 Fabio Cardosol Analista de Suporte=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:53:14 +0000r From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>i$ Subject: Re: Alphaserver enhacements' Message-ID: <39D2502A.DD22EF5A@fsi.net>s  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > K > An interesting hardware from HP  should be implemented on Alphaservers...e > I > Its the LAN console, an ethernet / serial board which enables a remotes > connection to the  > HP  server console (GSP).t  B They already have it. It's called "Apache Web Server for OpenVMS".  H ...or are you saying we should devote ANOTHER 32-64 MB (96-128 MB total)= of RAM to SRM(+web interface) even before we boot up an o.s.?g  H I think mid-/main-frame class computers are sufficiently complex to rule$ that out as a practical possibility.   ...IMHO.   David J. Dachterad   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:28:08 -0300s) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br $ Subject: Re: Alphaserver enhacementsL Message-ID: <OFD8AF1F3C.411AC8E1-ON83256968.0002638C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H No, no, no.. it=B4s just for Telnet to the port and use the console com= mandsu (firmware).aC There=B4s a serial port too. Useful for terminal/modem connections.   H It=B4s a HP hardware and I installed a L-1000 server connecting toi thi= so' board. HP has the Web Console (awfull).   
 Fabio Cardosod Analista de Suporte                   0 SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> em 27/09/2000 16:53:14  . Favor responder a djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapsonH                                                                        =     =20oH                                                                        =     =20 H                                                                        =     =20a    @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: Alphaserver enhacements                        =20@                                                              =20           =t    * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > H > An interesting hardware from HP  should be implemented on Alphaserver= s... > H > It=B4s the LAN console, an ethernet / serial board which enables a re= mote > connection to the  > HP  server console (GSP).n  B They already have it. It's called "Apache Web Server for OpenVMS".  H ...or are you saying we should devote ANOTHER 32-64 MB (96-128 MB total= )m= of RAM to SRM(+web interface) even before we boot up an o.s.?t  H I think mid-/main-frame class computers are sufficiently complex to rul= e $ that out as a practical possibility.   ...IMHO.   David J. Dachterao       =    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:49:34 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> $ Subject: Re: Alphaserver enhacements, Message-ID: <39D2B1BE.47ACFF2@earthlink.net>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > L > No, no, no.. its just for Telnet to the port and use the console commands
 > (firmware).T  D You would still need to add a sufficiently complete network (TCP/IP)G stack to console code, and that portion of the console code must remain H resident, protected and running even after an O.S. has booted ... and itF must not conflict with DECnet or the TCP/IP stack (if any) loaded once the o.s. is loaded.e   Sorry - not practical.  C > Theres a serial port too. Useful for terminal/modem connections.   @ ...or terminal server connection. Then, just use reverse-TELNET.   Ever heard of either of these?  + - Polycenter Console Manager (a.k.a. "PCM") + - VAXcluster Console System  (a.k.a. "VCS")O  F That's one of the options for connecting them to VAX and Alpha clusterA node console ports. They also support(ed) reverse-LAT and direct,l hard-wired connections.l   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsy http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/f  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:45:53 -0400-" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>$ Subject: Re: Alphaserver enhacements; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20000927224505.0355d560@24.8.96.48>l  E At 09:28 PM 9/27/00 -0300, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:cE >No, no, no.. it=B4s just for Telnet to the port and use the console=g	  commandso >(firmware).D >There=B4s a serial port too. Useful for terminal/modem connections.  L Generally folks just hook a termserver up to the console port. Handy when=20L using Console Manager (or whatever) for full monitoring/console log capture.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------r2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even-;                                       teddy bears get drunky   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:56:37 GMTo- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>o? Subject: Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DATI( Message-ID: <39D234CC.6538CDB1@ohio.edu>  Q Please provide the exact sequence of commands used to write that tape, as well aso the version of VMS.t  N What is the character between the DAT1: and the 17AUG (it displays as a hollow rectangle on my Mac)?   #                                 RDPi     Christoph Gartmann wrote:g   > Hello, > N > we use a Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT drive for backups. An image backup works allM > right. But as soon as we try to restore a backup saveset or even individual 8 > files from within such a saveset this operation fails: >l> > %BACKUP-E-POSITERR, error positioning DAT1:[]17AUG00DC.BCK;1' > -SYSTEM-F-IVCHAN, invalid I/O channel  > %BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC> > %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested >,' > If the operator specifies "continue":  >e1 > %BACKUP-I-OPREPLY, operator reply is "CONTINUE"gR > %BACKUP-E-BLOCKLOST, block of DAT1:[]17AUG00DC.BCK;1 lost due to unrecoverable e > rror$ > -SYSTEM-W-DATAOVERUN, data overrun9 > %BACKUP-E-READERR, error reading DAT1:[]17AUG00DC.BCK;1s$ > -SYSTEM-W-DATAOVERUN, data overrun6 > %BACKUP-E-INVBLKSIZE, invalid block size in save set6 > %BACKUP-E-INVRECSIZ, invalid record size in save set6 > %BACKUP-E-INVRECSIZ, invalid record size in save set> > %BACKUP-E-POSITERR, error positioning DAT1:[]17AUG00DC.BCK;1' > -SYSTEM-F-IVCHAN, invalid I/O channel  > %BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC> > %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested >a > Now we try "quit": >y- > %BACKUP-I-OPREPLY, operator reply is "QUIT"s: > %BACKUP-F-ABORT, operator requested abort on fatal error >r7 > The same behaviour occurs if we try an image restore.5 > P > But mounting the drive and just copying the saveset over to disk is all right.> > And a restore from the saveset on disk is all right as well. >t: > So, what is happening here? The device looks as follows: >6H > Magtape MPI6$MKA500:, device type SONY SDT-9000, is online, allocated,M >     deallocate on dismount, mounted, file-oriented device, error logging isf >     enabled. >eQ >     Error count                    0    Operations completed            5731930 Q >     Owner process        "    "    Owner UIC                    [GARTMANN].Q >     Owner process ID        28001E3B    Dev Prot    S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLeQ >     Reference count                2    Default buffer size                2048  > Q >     Volume label            "DC13  "    Relative volume no.                   1eQ >     Record size                    0    Transaction count                     1uQ >     Mount status             Process    Mount count                           1e& >     ACP process name    "MKA500AACP"Q >     Density                  unknown    Format                        Normal-11t >GK >   Volume status:  end-of-file, subject to mount verification, odd parity.w > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmannm > J > -----------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 21:10:06 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)a? Subject: Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DATb0 Message-ID: <8qtnne$ba2$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  X In article <39D234CC.6538CDB1@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:R >Please provide the exact sequence of commands used to write that tape, as well as >the version of VMS.  @ $ BACKUP/NOLOG/NOCRC/GROUP=0/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOASSIST/NOALIAS -*   /IMAGE DISKC: MKA500:17AUG00DC.BCK     -   /REWIND/SAVE_SET/LABEL=DC13 -e   /BLOCK_SIZE=32256l   Under OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 .  O >What is the character between the DAT1: and the 17AUG (it displays as a hollowo >rectangle on my Mac)?  G It is like that, open rectangular bracket followed by close rectangulare bracket.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann-  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:51:06 -0400n2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>; Subject: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT 6 Message-ID: <200009272351_MC2-B4E7-F10@compuserve.com>  H         What version of VMS.  VAX or Alpha?  What SCSI Host Adapter?  Is7 the SDT-9000 listed in the SPD as a "supported device"?   G         What does the errorlog say?   You might post a typical errorlog J entry.  Anyone who is interested in the whole thing, should ask that it b= e  sent to him privately!  J         I would be very nervous about using this device for backups.  You=   should be too!!     9 Message text written by INTERNET:gartmann@immunbio.mpg.derJ >we use a Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT drive for backups. An image backup works=   allkJ right. But as soon as we try to restore a backup saveset or even individu= al6 files from within such a saveset this operation fails:  < %BACKUP-E-POSITERR, error positioning DAT1:[]17AUG00DC.BCK;1% -SYSTEM-F-IVCHAN, invalid I/O channelm %BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC< %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested  % If the operator specifies "continue":   / %BACKUP-I-OPREPLY, operator reply is "CONTINUE"o@ %BACKUP-E-BLOCKLOST, block of DAT1:[]17AUG00DC.BCK;1 lost due to unrecoverable e  rror" -SYSTEM-W-DATAOVERUN, data overrun7 %BACKUP-E-READERR, error reading DAT1:[]17AUG00DC.BCK;1 " -SYSTEM-W-DATAOVERUN, data overrun4 %BACKUP-E-INVBLKSIZE, invalid block size in save set4 %BACKUP-E-INVRECSIZ, invalid record size in save set4 %BACKUP-E-INVRECSIZ, invalid record size in save set< %BACKUP-E-POSITERR, error positioning DAT1:[]17AUG00DC.BCK;1% -SYSTEM-F-IVCHAN, invalid I/O channel- %BACKUP-I-OPERSPEC< %BACKUP-I-OPERASSIST, operator assistance has been requested   Now we try "quit":  + %BACKUP-I-OPREPLY, operator reply is "QUIT" 8 %BACKUP-F-ABORT, operator requested abort on fatal error    5 The same behaviour occurs if we try an image restore..  G But mounting the drive and just copying the saveset over to disk is alla right.< And a restore from the saveset on disk is all right as well.  8 So, what is happening here? The device looks as follows:    F Magtape MPI6$MKA500:, device type SONY SDT-9000, is online, allocated,J     deallocate on dismount, mounted, file-oriented device, error logging = is     enabled.  H     Error count                    0    Operations completed           =   5731930aJ     Owner process        "=A9 =A9 =A9 =A9 =A9"    Owner UIC              =      =  
 [GARTMANN]4     Owner process ID        28001E3B    Dev Prot   =   S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPLaJ     Reference count                2    Default buffer size              =  =   2048  J     Volume label            "DC13  "    Relative volume no.              =   =      1 J     Record size                    0    Transaction count                =   =O     1 J     Mount status             Process    Mount count                      =   =      1 $     ACP process name    "MKA500AACP"F     Density                  unknown    Format                       =  	 Normal-11   J   Volume status:  end-of-file, subject to mount verification, odd parity.=     <g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:51:08 -0400a2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>? Subject: Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT-6 Message-ID: <200009272351_MC2-B4E7-F11@compuserve.com>  1 Message text written by INTERNET:piccard@ohio.eduCH >What is the character between the DAT1: and the 17AUG (it displays as a hollow rectangle on my Mac)?e <m  H         Would you believe <left square bracket><right square bracket>? =  G Perhaps your Mac will display it more legibly if I insert spaces:  [  ]0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:16:43 -0700+! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coma! Subject: Re: balls and parachutes>C Message-ID: <OF4C2A15E3.8C72AC88-ON88256967.006445FA@HEALTHNET.COM>t  E Ditto, but in private e-mail Sue has promised that if my balls aren'tlK sorted out in a few days, I can mail her and she'll see to them personally.r6 You might try asking her to look after your balls too.  2 [ It's a good job Sue has a sense of humour! :-) ]   Shane           A John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> on 09/27/2000 06:19:31 AMt   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como cc:r  " Subject:  Re: balls and parachutes    J I haven't received my balls or postcard, and I am on the right side of the pond!   :-))  7 "Phillip Helbig" <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in messagel( news:8qsn8k$qhk$1@info.service.rug.nl...I > I got my "open it" postcard, but no balls.  When should we folks acrosso > the pond expect them?s >n >e > --; > Phillip Helbig                       Email ..............P helbig@astro.rug.nl > > Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.ukJ > Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647J > Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100. > NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ...  http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/ >a7 > My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.y >vH > <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>  >0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:57:47 +0200m8 From: "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kesu@xs4all.be>! Subject: Re: balls and parachutesr* Message-ID: <8qtjhm$84n$1@news1.xs4all.nl>   Hi,l  H My "ball" (singular, not plural) arrived today (September 27th) togetherH with the postcard. Unfortunately, it was a blue one (already have one of> those from ITUG/DECUS Vienna). But all in all, a  nice gadget.   -- Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl) & VMS Wizard in training, Guru wanna be!  # In a world without walls and fences  who needs windows and gates?   OpenVMS is today what Microsoftt wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!  0 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote in message ...  E Ditto, but in private e-mail Sue has promised that if my balls aren'taK sorted out in a few days, I can mail her and she'll see to them personally.t6 You might try asking her to look after your balls too.  2 [ It's a good job Sue has a sense of humour! :-) ]   Shane           A John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> on 09/27/2000 06:19:31 AM    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi cc:m  " Subject:  Re: balls and parachutes    J I haven't received my balls or postcard, and I am on the right side of the pond!   :-)-  7 "Phillip Helbig" <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in message ( news:8qsn8k$qhk$1@info.service.rug.nl...I > I got my "open it" postcard, but no balls.  When should we folks acrossA > the pond expect them?e >c >t > --; > Phillip Helbig                       Email ..............n helbig@astro.rug.nl=> > Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.ukJ > Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647J > Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100. > NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ...  http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/ > 7 > My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.  > H > <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:55:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ! Subject: Re: balls and parachutes , Message-ID: <39D25EA6.BDAF7C0B@videotron.ca>  ( "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" wrote: >  > Hi,  > J > My "ball" (singular, not plural) arrived today (September 27th) togetherJ > with the postcard. Unfortunately, it was a blue one (already have one of@ > those from ITUG/DECUS Vienna). But all in all, a  nice gadget.  E Blue ball ? Ouch. Isn't that some sort of serious medical condition ?   N Mind you, mine is green. But if it turns red, I know exactly why: it is when I+ play too hard and bang it aroud too much...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:04:58 +0100s  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com! Subject: Re: balls and parachutes H Message-ID: <OFF479C1A8.E0FDD522-ON80256967.0068BB84@qedi.quintiles.com>  E I thought that a good sense of humour was *essential* for VMS people.l  G Not directly because of VMS itself, but we'd all get bored with systemshJ never showing a BSOD, no crashes, no unexplained General Protection Faults= and so on unless we could spend our days laughing and joking.a  H And besides, how else could one generate an interface (such as it is) to@ Unix as an April Fools Day joke if one didn't appreciate humour? Steve.   Shane Smith wrote:H >>>Ditto, but in private e-mail Sue has promised that if my balls aren'tK sorted out in a few days, I can mail her and she'll see to them personally.o6 You might try asking her to look after your balls too.  2 [ It's a good job Sue has a sense of humour! :-) ]   Shane<<<   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:02:39 -0300 (EST)B From: becherini@vortex.ufrgs.br_! Subject: re: balls and parachutes:, Message-ID: <00092716023948@vortex.ufrgs.br>  O _______________________________________________________________________________   ! . From: becherini@vortex.ufrgs.brI# . Subject: re: balls and parachuteso- . Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:21:26 -0300 (EST)t . To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma . Q . _______________________________________________________________________________i .  . 
 . 	balls ? .  . 	have I "heard" balls ?  . ' . 	which balls ? where are my balls ???. . 0 . 	I have the post too, but no balls ... xuif :) .  . 	I wanna my balls too !!!t . P .  _____________________________________________________________________________Q . |                                                                             | Q . | Fabio Becherini                   System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGS | Q . |_____________________________________________________________________________|c     	uau !!!   	that's incredible !!!  ! 	at 11:21 I've send this message,n) 	at 16:00 I've received the blue ball !!!w  * 	sorry, Compaq, and thanks for the ball :)   	(Open)VMS forever ...  N  _____________________________________________________________________________O |                                                                             | O | Fabio Becherini                   System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGS | O |_____________________________________________________________________________|j   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:50:04 -07005! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com/! Subject: Re: balls and parachutesrC Message-ID: <OFB010434D.DEE8D5A9-ON88256967.0082E04F@HEALTHNET.COM>t  K That does seem to be a recurring problem, where Compaq's advertising of VMS  is concerned: not enough balls.i   Shanee          I "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kesu@xs4all.be>@modem72.dial.xs4all.bes on 09/27/2000 12:57:47 PMo  % Sent by:  kesu@modem72.dial.xs4all.be      To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- cc:-  " Subject:  Re: balls and parachutes     Hi,   H My "ball" (singular, not plural) arrived today (September 27th) togetherH with the postcard. Unfortunately, it was a blue one (already have one of> those from ITUG/DECUS Vienna). But all in all, a  nice gadget.   -- Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl) & VMS Wizard in training, Guru wanna be!  # In a world without walls and fencesb who needs windows and gates?   OpenVMS is today what Microsofto wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!  0 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote in message ...  E Ditto, but in private e-mail Sue has promised that if my balls aren'tAK sorted out in a few days, I can mail her and she'll see to them personally. 6 You might try asking her to look after your balls too.  2 [ It's a good job Sue has a sense of humour! :-) ]   Shaneo          A John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> on 09/27/2000 06:19:31 AMr   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comv cc:   " Subject:  Re: balls and parachutes    J I haven't received my balls or postcard, and I am on the right side of the pond!   :-)S  7 "Phillip Helbig" <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in message ( news:8qsn8k$qhk$1@info.service.rug.nl...I > I got my "open it" postcard, but no balls.  When should we folks acrossB > the pond expect them?  >l >s > --; > Phillip Helbig                       Email ..............1 helbig@astro.rug.nlr> > Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.ukJ > Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647J > Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100. > NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ...  http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/ >-7 > My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.S >-H > <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>t >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:32:07 GMTP4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: balls and parachutesr; Message-ID: <H4yA5.18640$tn.388919@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e  . <Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com> wrote in message= news:OFB010434D.DEE8D5A9-ON88256967.0082E04F@HEALTHNET.COM...e >vI > That does seem to be a recurring problem, where Compaq's advertising ofe VMSl! > is concerned: not enough balls.6 >AA That's Tru, when advertising seems to be dominated by 64 Eunuchs.o   terry sm9 who doesn't mean to disparage Tru64 UNIX or its champions    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:33:21 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 5 Subject: Re: Cabletron Digital Networks Products soldN, Message-ID: <39D2598F.CD79CE69@videotron.ca>   Sue Skonetski wrote:N > Hi everyone, I just wanted to let you know that yesterday Cabletron sold theJ > Digital Network Products Group (DNPG) to Vnetek Communications. This has6 > been a long time coming but better late than never!!  N Interestingly, Compaq seems to have some affinity with SMC for networking gearK (or vice-versa). Shouldn't SMC have bought the old Digital networking stuffc from Cabletron ?    L What puzzles me is that Cabletron, years after it got the Digital stuff fromN Bobby, would have that division still separate enough that it could be sold asE an entity. Wouldn't a company strive to integrate this into their own- operations within a few years ?-  N Or perhaps Cabletron was just doing Bobby a favour because Bobby had been toldK by Eckert to offload the networking stuff and Cabletron owed Bobby a favour 0 and never really had any intentions to keep it ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:40:43 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)t5 Subject: Re: Cabletron Digital Networks Products sold-0 Message-ID: <009F0C32.861727AF@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <39D2598F.CD79CE69@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Sue Skonetski wrote: O >> Hi everyone, I just wanted to let you know that yesterday Cabletron sold the K >> Digital Network Products Group (DNPG) to Vnetek Communications. This hasp7 >> been a long time coming but better late than never!!t > O >Interestingly, Compaq seems to have some affinity with SMC for networking gearsL >(or vice-versa). Shouldn't SMC have bought the old Digital networking stuff >from Cabletron ?  >P >aM >What puzzles me is that Cabletron, years after it got the Digital stuff fromuO >Bobby, would have that division still separate enough that it could be sold asGF >an entity. Wouldn't a company strive to integrate this into their own  >operations within a few years ? >BO >Or perhaps Cabletron was just doing Bobby a favour because Bobby had been toldcL >by Eckert to offload the networking stuff and Cabletron owed Bobby a favour1 >and never really had any intentions to keep it ?r   Conspiracy theorist?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            -O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.6   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:29:01 GMT & From: "Lee Gillie" <Lee@NOSPAModp.com>1 Subject: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversione9 Message-ID: <hMsA5.469$Ok4.26667@sea-read.news.verio.net>   @ I'm working on a way of remoting RMS from a PC over TCP/IP.  RMS< records are sent to and from the PC client in the raw.  Then: additional client services in my component provide natural= translations to OLE Variants on demand from the buffer.  Thise? will make accessing and using VAX binary fielded data in Visual76 Basic at the PC a snap for my application programmers.  B The nastiest one seems to be translating VAX 8-byte D-FLOAT to theA typical 8-byte DOUBLE used at the PC, which I understand is IEEE. ? Of course I would like the conversion to occur on the Intel PC.eD I started doing the very tedious bit fiddles in C++, but it occurred? that someone has PROBABLY got some portable code to do this.  Io= don't think there is anything in any PC RTL to do this, sincebA D-FLOAT doesn't seem to be used elsewhere.  Will be interested inD= reverse translation also.  Yes, I know there are exponent andt mantissa size differences.  A I will be converting VMS date/time quadword absolute and delta tovB OLE Date as well, but this looks a great deal simpler. Yet, if youC have the float conversion, you might have this as well, and I wouldU be interested.   TIA - Best regards, Leer --F ______________________________________________________________________F Lee Gillie, CCP                                Remove NOSPAM to E-MailF Online Data Processing, Inc. - 3501 N. Haven -  Spokane, WA 99207-8500   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 00:11:26 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)5 Subject: Re: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversioni) Message-ID: <8qu2be$h8u$1@hecate.umd.edu>c  b In article <hMsA5.469$Ok4.26667@sea-read.news.verio.net>, "Lee Gillie" <Lee@NOSPAModp.com> writes: [snip]C >The nastiest one seems to be translating VAX 8-byte D-FLOAT to theBB >typical 8-byte DOUBLE used at the PC, which I understand is IEEE.@ >Of course I would like the conversion to occur on the Intel PC.E >I started doing the very tedious bit fiddles in C++, but it occurredr  A Why do it yourself?  VMS has a RTL routine that'll do it for you:o   HELP RTL CVT$ CVT$CONVERT_FLOATh   RTL_Routines     CVT$       CVT$CONVERT_FLOATr  @          The Convert Floating-Point Data Type routine provides aE          simplified options-interface for converting a floating-pointiA          data type to another supported floating-point data type.m            Format-  I            CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT  input_value, input_type_code, output_value, 7                               output_type_code, options3   [snip]   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:02:21 -0700c1 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospam> 5 Subject: Re: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversionD2 Message-ID: <8qu8sr$q4m$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>  : Have you looked at ConnX from SolutionsIQ in Bellevue, WA?? ConnX allows PCs to read RMS data files using a data dictionaryP; or using ODBC calls.  I wouldn't be surprised if it already > converts to/from various floating point formats automatically.    / Lee Gillie <Lee@NOSPAModp.com> wrote in message13 news:hMsA5.469$Ok4.26667@sea-read.news.verio.net... B > I'm working on a way of remoting RMS from a PC over TCP/IP.  RMS> > records are sent to and from the PC client in the raw.  Then< > additional client services in my component provide natural? > translations to OLE Variants on demand from the buffer.  This-A > will make accessing and using VAX binary fielded data in Visuald8 > Basic at the PC a snap for my application programmers. >1D > The nastiest one seems to be translating VAX 8-byte D-FLOAT to theC > typical 8-byte DOUBLE used at the PC, which I understand is IEEE.eA > Of course I would like the conversion to occur on the Intel PC. F > I started doing the very tedious bit fiddles in C++, but it occurredA > that someone has PROBABLY got some portable code to do this.  Ip? > don't think there is anything in any PC RTL to do this, sinceHC > D-FLOAT doesn't seem to be used elsewhere.  Will be interested ini? > reverse translation also.  Yes, I know there are exponent ands > mantissa size differences. >oC > I will be converting VMS date/time quadword absolute and delta to D > OLE Date as well, but this looks a great deal simpler. Yet, if youE > have the float conversion, you might have this as well, and I wouldX > be interested. >  > TIA - Best regards, Leea > --H > ______________________________________________________________________H > Lee Gillie, CCP                                Remove NOSPAM to E-MailH > Online Data Processing, Inc. - 3501 N. Haven -  Spokane, WA 99207-8500 >c >,   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:36:22 -0500 # From: "Mark E. Levy" <mark@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Compaq postcard/ Message-ID: <st4q2nepgn16b2@corp.supernews.com>   B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:39D16217.9DF59527@earthlink.net.... >.G > Bill Webb has since posted a complete description of this direct mail. > piece. > E > Having read Bill's description, I agree it is a welcome first step./G > Barely a single drop in the sum of the world's oceans, but at least af' > sign that SOMEone is doing SOMEthing!a  I Ah, but the $64K questions is, who exactly did they send it to? If it was-I the members of the chior (OIOW, readers of c.o.v), then what's the point? A The loyal readers of this group would buy OpenVMS no-matter-whut.d  F Someone should hack into "Andrew Harrison - Enterprise IT Architect"'sF system (shouldn't be hard, it's a Sun after all) and get his database.     --E ---------------------------------------------------------------------m Mark E. Levy, Presidenta" System Management Associates, Inc.! 888-291-5055 x202 (Illinois Only) $ 847-291-1550 x202 (Outside Illinois) 847-291-3866 fax www.sysman-inc.com levy@sysman-inc.com E ---------------------------------------------------------------------!   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:32:02 -0700t! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>y Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo + Message-ID: <39D2BBB2.A89389FA@tmisnet.com>e  Q I just have to say that I had a very hard time reading this with a straight face.o   JF Mezei wrote:s  ! > Hey, I finally got my ball !!!!  >oO > It was pretty fun to play with it. But it does turn red when you play with itXP > too hard. I did take a very close look at it. It has a rubbery thick skin, andP > at the centre is a harder shell/sphere which contains the important stuff, and7 > yes, there is a tiny batterry - actually 2 batteries)s >$? > But you do have to play with it very hard for it to turn red.n >aO > I did have the ball blush by itself a few time while it was laying on the toplK > of the desk. I figured perhaps it was a wanted feature: you can't stop it I > because it is VMS. Just rubbing the ball doesn't make it go red though.a >kM > It is best to play with your ball in the dark, especilly when you start off6I > rough and let it fall on the floor and let it roll on the floor. I'd be3P > tempted to do this outdoors in the night, but I think the neighbours would notJ > tolerate if I played with my balls outdoors, especially if I played hard% > enough for them to turn bright red.8 >/M > What they should have had on the ball, apart of the "Compaq openVMS", is an $ > "Alpha powered" on the other side. >rN > As I am typing this, I am wathing live tennis coverage (Canada vs Australia,P > gold medal match), and keep seing the players with big bulges in their shorts.P > Ever so often, they pull out their balls from shorts to make a serve. It wouldO > have been great marketing to have the openVMS words printed in big letters ony* > the balls used for the tennis matches... >BN > And at the same time, have ads stating "Send an Email Sue to get your flashy > VMS balls" >tP > Oh, and I also received the postcard. But I still can't figure out how to open > the postcard :-) ;-) :-) >iO > YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THOUGH: THIS IS STARTING TO BECOME A BELEIVABLE THING, with2P > Compaq sending out VMS-only marketing materials. Still a long way to go, but IM > think that this is helping at the very least those who still beleive in VMS I > and need every bit of ammunition to continue to internally promote VMS.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:08:44 -0700e  From: "rc" <cadruvi@pacbell.net> Subject: DCPS V1.83 Message-ID: <%DyA5.116$DN5.123535@news.pacbell.net>   H I can't seem to find the posts about DCPS V1.8.  Can someone point me to@ where I can get is and where I can get the documentation for it.  # email replies would be appreciated.h   thanks,  Rick Cadruvi...   rick@rick.rdperf.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:34:13 -0500l7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>s Subject: Re: DCPS V1.8- Message-ID: <39D2BC35.60FA68A9@earthlink.net>e  	 rc wrote:! > J > I can't seem to find the posts about DCPS V1.8.  Can someone point me toB > where I can get is and where I can get the documentation for it. > % > email replies would be appreciated.1  * Well, for sure it's on the latest ConDist.   -- _ David J. Dachtera_ dba DJE Systems_ http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/1  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:15:37 -0700_* From: "Howard M. Harte" <hharte@cisco.com>6 Subject: DEC 3000 memory problems? (VMS boot problems)- Message-ID: <970107534.943108@sj-nntpcache-3>    Hi,   I     I guess I have two issues: one is the failing memory test.  Output is J listed below.  I am wondering what information about the faulty hardware IH can derive from the 'test mem' information.  I moved around all the SIMML modules, and the error remains the same.  I even swapped MBB boards.  I evenI put the SIMMs in the two banks that were unused.  Still the same problem._L That leads me to believe that the problem is on the motherboard (ie, cache?)  K     Even with these memory errors, I was able to boot the machine once.  IteC came up with a "Username: " prompt, but obviously I didn't have the D password, so, following directions from the VMS faq, I tried to do aL "conversational boot" and now have a machine that hangs after displaying the OpenVMS banner.        The steps that I did were: boot -flags 0,1d SYSBOOT> SET/STARTUP OPA0: SYSBOOT> WRITESYSPARAMS 06 SYSBOOT> CONTINUET  # then I got the '$' prompt, and did:iK $ SPAWN  (some messages came up, and then it hung, I never got the $ prompts back)h4 so I couldn't do the next step: @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.  C After that, I get the output displayed below all the time.  So, I'mtG wondering if the memory problems could cause this behavior, or did I do-7 something wrong during my conversational boot, or both.a  I     Interestingly enough, if I press ^P when the system is 'hung' I get ap6 prompt, so it's not really hung (in a windows sense :)  K     Thanks for any information.  I'm starting to get discouraged.  I wantedrJ to get a small, halfway decent VMS system so that I could explore VMS fromK other than just a simple user perspective.  Already I'm finding out that itsH is much more complex than Unix, Linux, etc.  I am somewhat fascinated byK VMS, since Win NT originated from the VMS group (Dave Cutler, et al.) aftereI they left DEC.  I've seen one bugcheck message, and it is very similar toe Win NT.o  A     Thanks in advance for any help, sorry for such a long post...    DEC 3000 - M400o Digital Equipment Corporation!  System conducting power up tests< ------------------------------------------------------------   Devnam           Devstat --------         -------E      CPU          OK KN15-BA -V2.4-S462-I077-sV1.0-DECchip 21064 P3.0I     ASIC          OK"      MEM          ?? 828 0050 64MB      NVR          OKA      SCC          OK ptr(0) = Not Present  keybd(2) = Not Present @       NI          OK Ethernet Address: 08-00-2B-32-C3-F9 , TENBT     SCSI          OK     ISDN          OK< ------------------------------------------------------------( System power up tests detected error(s).3 See your system documentation for more information.g     >>> test mem# T-STS-MEM - Current Test Parameters J T-STS-MEM -  lo_addr = 00200000   init_mem    = ON    test_bad_pages = OFFH T-STS-MEM -  hi_addr = 04000000   stop_on_err = ON       max_retries = 0, T-STS-MEM - Corrected Error count = 0000000ED LAS_biu_stat  = 00000000.00003B40  LAS_biu_addr  = 00000000.000F8018D LAS_fill_synd = 00000000.00002C00  LAS_fill_addr = 00000000.000588D0! ? T-ERR-MEM - FAILED, status = 50-   ?? 828       MEM 0x0050h    	   84 FAIL0  	 >>> print    AUTO_ACTION = BOOT BOOTDEF_DEV = DKA300 BOOT_OSFLAGS = 0,0 ENABLE_AUDIT = OFF BOOT_RESET = ON  SCSI_RESET = 4 DIAG_LOE = OFF DIAG_QUICK = OFF DIAG_SECTION = 3$ ETHERNET = 08-00-2B-32-C3-F9 , TENBT	 MOP = OFFE SECURE = OFF	 RADIX = 0F
 SCSI_A = 6
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  8192 BytesF NISCS_LAN_OVRHD                18         18         0       256 Bytes   SYSBOOT> continue5    3     OpenVMS AXP (TM) Operating System, Version V1.50   (hangs after this...)/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:55:06 +010011 From: "Chris Blackburn" <cpblack@globalnet.co.uk> # Subject: DEC server 700 running LATt# Message-ID: <8qtjdl$5ff$1@gxsn.com>   J Does anyone know how to log a LAT port out on a terminal server from a VMS host from within software ?  $ I know it is possible using NCP e.g.  ! MCR NCP CONNECT NODE (LAT server)  local> LOGOUT PORT 1  E I need to force the port to disconnect as sometimes the LT_DISCONNECT  functionK sent via a QIO system service does not work and the port is still allocated  on the8 server but the LATCP on the host thinks it is available.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:51:46 +0100 1 From: "Chris Blackburn" <cpblack@globalnet.co.uk> # Subject: DEC server 700 running LAT # Message-ID: <8qtj7b$7rk$1@gxsn.com>   J Does anyone know how to log a LAT port out on a terminal server from a VMS host from within software ?  $ I know it is possible using NCP e.g.  ! MCR NCP CONNECT NODE (LAT server)O local> LOGOUT PORT 1  E I need to force the port to disconnect as sometimes the LT_DISCONNECT  functionK sent via a QIO system service does not work and the port is still allocated  on the8 server but the LATCP on the host thinks it is available.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:53:28 +0100 1 From: "Chris Blackburn" <cpblack@globalnet.co.uk> # Subject: DEC server 700 running LAT # Message-ID: <8qtjah$5bi$1@gxsn.com>   J Does anyone know how to log a LAT port out on a terminal server from a VMS host from within software ?  $ I know it is possible using NCP e.g.  ! MCR NCP CONNECT NODE (LAT server)c local> LOGOUT PORT 1  E I need to force the port to disconnect as sometimes the LT_DISCONNECT  functionK sent via a QIO system service does not work and the port is still allocated  on the8 server but the LATCP on the host thinks it is available.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:07:07 +0400 4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>' Subject: Re: DEC server 700 running LAT 4 Message-ID: <1617474187.20000928100707@ncc.volga.ru>  > On 27.09.2000 Chris Blackburn <cpblack@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:  L > Does anyone know how to log a LAT port out on a terminal server from a VMS > host > from within software ?  & > I know it is possible using NCP e.g.  # > MCR NCP CONNECT NODE (LAT server)0 local>> LOGOUT PORT 1p  G > I need to force the port to disconnect as sometimes the LT_DISCONNECTl
 > functionM > sent via a QIO system service does not work and the port is still allocatedB > on the: > server but the LATCP on the host thinks it is available.  I   Been there, done that. QIO[w] with function IO$_TTY_PORT|IO$M_LT_DISCONDH sometimes returns some weird status (can't recall exact value) and afterF that latcp reports port disconnected but terminal server doesn't agree? with that. You'd be better to deassign (sys$dassgn) channel and7F assign it again. Alternatively there is a bit more funny way: set SNMPA variable 1.3.6.1.2.1.19.2.1.5.p where p - number of desired port. C This would effectively reset and logout port regardless of protocol25 running on it - we use it for both LAT and PPP ports.    Good luck.   --     Valentin LikoumC   valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:14:27 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: ERRFMT in RWMBX- Message-ID: <39D2B793.1C2BDD53@earthlink.net>    Hi, George,   G The date/time of your post shows in my browser as "12/31/1969 6:00 PM".   ; I thought that a bit strange. Figured you'd want to know...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems6 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:31:03 GMT  From: JakeMS12@sydney.au0 Subject: I Found 1000s Of Free Hits at MDS  7434; Message-ID: <r9qA5.622566$Z05.5978662@telenews.teleline.es>    MDS FFA - Free For All Has
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 Greetings,  B    This should really be sent to someone at ComPaq (who ?) - but i;    thought i would start here ... and see if others concur.   <    On an ALMOST daily basis, Sun is auctioning (at eBay) NEW    Ultra 5's and Ultra 10's.  ?    Both come with a 19" Monitor, Graphics card, 64/128mg (5/10) =    memory, CD-ROM, 9GB hard-drives, Video card, and Solaris 7     (MARCH-99) Installed_  >    Reserve seems to be around $1750.00 + $2650.00 respectively  ?    Perhaps (I am sure) ALPHA sales of OpenVMS/TRU64/Linux would14    greatly increase if ComPaq did something similar.  <    In comparison (as you may know), a linux, 466 alpha, with,    10GB and 128mg and no monitor is $3814.00    :    So the question is ... why doesn't ComPaq, reduce cost,:    and increase sales by following Sun's example on eBay ?     -Pierre     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:10:50 +0000  From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>P: Subject: Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales' Message-ID: <39D2382A.C94F200B@fsi.net>    moi_is_me wrote: >  > Greetings, > D >    This should really be sent to someone at ComPaq (who ?) - but i= >    thought i would start here ... and see if others concur.5 > > >    On an ALMOST daily basis, Sun is auctioning (at eBay) NEW >    Ultra 5's and Ultra 10's. > A >    Both come with a 19" Monitor, Graphics card, 64/128mg (5/10) ? >    memory, CD-ROM, 9GB hard-drives, Video card, and Solaris 7B >    (MARCH-99) Installed  > @ >    Reserve seems to be around $1750.00 + $2650.00 respectively > A >    Perhaps (I am sure) ALPHA sales of OpenVMS/TRU64/Linux would 6 >    greatly increase if ComPaq did something similar. > > >    In comparison (as you may know), a linux, 466 alpha, with. >    10GB and 128mg and no monitor is $3814.00 > < >    So the question is ... why doesn't ComPaq, reduce cost,< >    and increase sales by following Sun's example on eBay ?  F Get some of those PC164LX motherboards from IslandCo (if they have anyE left), build 'em up into systems, pre-load 'em with Linux and auction ) 'em off for what ever markup you can get!C  C Just 'cuz Cpq is sitting on their hands doesn't mean WE must follow  their example...   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:52:16 -0400 / From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>o: Subject: RE: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) salesI Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB220@rlghncst625.usps.gov>    -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET + Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 2:27 PM 6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET6 Subject: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales    
 Greetings,  B    This should really be sent to someone at ComPaq (who ?) - but i;    thought i would start here ... and see if others concur.6  <    On an ALMOST daily basis, Sun is auctioning (at eBay) NEW    Ultra 5's and Ultra 10's.  ?    Both come with a 19" Monitor, Graphics card, 64/128mg (5/10) =    memory, CD-ROM, 9GB hard-drives, Video card, and Solaris 72    (MARCH-99) Installed   >    Reserve seems to be around $1750.00 + $2650.00 respectively  ?    Perhaps (I am sure) ALPHA sales of OpenVMS/TRU64/Linux would24    greatly increase if ComPaq did something similar.  <    In comparison (as you may know), a linux, 466 alpha, with,    10GB and 128mg and no monitor is $3814.00    :    So the question is ... why doesn't ComPaq, reduce cost,:    and increase sales by following Sun's example on eBay ?     -Pierre     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.   @         I wonder if SUN *gave* these boxes to E-Bay as part of a> "better-than-free" deal that got hypothesized in this forum...   WWWebb   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 03:33:55 GMT 3 From: "MrSignor" <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net>Q: Subject: Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales5 Message-ID: <D_yA5.271$uO1.27301@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>5   >> David J. Dachtera wroteI >> Get some of those PC164LX motherboards from IslandCo (if they have anyg left),9 >> build 'em up into systems, pre-load 'em with Linux and 4 >> auction 'em off for what ever markup you can get!  G >>  Just 'cuz Cpq is sitting on their hands doesn't mean WE must follow  their example...  F Thats NOT the point. The SUN's mentioned are Brand NEW, with a monitor) and, what many would consider, a good OS.M  D Performance wise, I don't know how a Ultra-5 / Ultra-10 compare to a0 DS-10, but $2650.00 for a Ultra-10 is way cheap.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:06:16 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>< Subject: Re: Memo:  Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory8 Message-ID: <vo95tskj6fa056j6he2qbihg2b4f6j5b7l@4ax.com>  D It seems the fastest way would be to delete each file by fileid, and9 then delete the directory file (probably requiring a "set C file/nodirectory" first).  This requires *no* operations where file 3 entries are removed from the directory file itself.Q1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:00:45 GMT , From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com Subject: Re: NTP with UCX 4.2 ) Message-ID: <8qtg4n$db2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>g  * In article <8qce8a$rmf$1@news.ihug.co.nz>,7   "Mike Tock" <hiding_me@don't_spam.hotmail.com> wrote: G > If you could paste a copy of the ntp.conf you are using and prehaps a  small G > segment of the log file so I know what I should be seeing, then maybe  I can E > get it to work on the alpha 2000 running v6.2-1h3 before trying the  v7.1 > production machine.1  ! Here's a couple pastes for you...   F We've got UCX 4.2 ECO 2 running on our cluster, a mix of 6.1, 6.2-1h3,C and 7.1 systems.  NTP works fine.  Here's the ucx$ntp.conf from theD* system I setup as our local master server:   local-master 20k server 10.1.52.47E peer 10.1.54.1 peer 10.1.54.6 peer 10.1.54.5 peer 10.1.54.2   Here's the one from a second:6   local-master 25  server  10.1.52.47 peer 10.1.54.4 peer 10.1.54.6 peer 10.1.54.5 peer 10.1.54.2  F (52.47 is our Internet router; the other 54.x nodes are in our cluster2 and other local hosts that peer off this service.)  D Here's a sample of one of the log files (this shows a network hiccup= where we lost external comm, too -- someone bumped our CSU!):   =  13:27:54.57    -0.061461 seconds, discarded, trip > 0.137287U# * lost all sync peers, free running 6 * selected new sync source 10.1.54.4, now at stratum 4G  13:32:27.08    +0.017989 seconds, trip 0.1356, aperture 0.0180, hold 4 G  13:33:41.21    -0.002673 seconds, trip 0.1283, aperture 0.0127, hold 3rG  13:34:45.19    +0.006568 seconds, trip 0.1098, aperture 0.0166, hold 2BG  13:35:53.23    +0.021663 seconds, trip 0.1390, aperture 0.0166, hold 1 G  13:36:57.29    -0.005230 seconds, trip 0.1928, aperture 0.0152, hold 0 7 * selected new sync source 10.1.52.47, now at stratum 3 G  13:37:31.16    +0.061114 seconds, trip 0.3666, aperture 0.0611, hold 4   E The key for me in getting this turned on was the realization that you F MUST use addresses, not names, in the .conf file.  Things just started) ticking right along once I got past that.0   Good luck to you!  Aaron     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.J   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:31:48 -0500E) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> 1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ? / Message-ID: <st4t69hds78i7a@corp.supernews.com>i  ) "D.Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote 5 in message news:8qtbg0$i4u$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk...I > = > I'm considering whether to upgrade our user disks to ODS-5._ >R> > I don't use SAMBA at the moment but will the next version of > SAMBA support ODS-5 ?   9 The SAMBA-VMS 2.0.3 release is supposed to support ODS-5.GA IIRC: The author said that he did not test that part of the code.n  K I do not recall seeing anyone admit to using ODS-5 on SAMBA 2.0.3 on eithers4 comp.os.vms or the samba-vms#samba.org mailing list.  K The SAMBA-VMS 2.0.6 I am trying to get packaged up seems to be handling the # ODS-5 volume that I have just fine.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:46:50 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?D3 Message-ID: <_xwA5.79$53.24812@typhoon.aracnet.com>   ( John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:M > I do not recall seeing anyone admit to using ODS-5 on SAMBA 2.0.3 on either 6 > comp.os.vms or the samba-vms#samba.org mailing list.  I While I rather doubt this is really useful info, I've got one ODS-5 disk,BJ and have it exported using Samba 1.9.17P4.  Obviously I'm not able to makeJ use of the added features of ODS-5, however, I've not seen any problems.  4 OTOH, I rarely make use of Samba to access the disk.   			ZaneP   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:54:59 -0400M% From: JM <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> 1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ? O Message-ID: <5CCE7B98AD37E51E.562E9F81EF829801.164732454758217B@lp.airnews.net>   
 D.Webb wrote:  > = > I'm considering whether to upgrade our user disks to ODS-5.  > $ > Are people using ODS-5 a lot yet ? > 8 > Any problems with applications or any other problems ? > E > The system has the OSU web-server (which I believe supports ODS-5). 6 > Oracle - though I wont be changing the Oracle disks. > NAG libraries. > DEC Compilers. > DEC TCPIP Services.  > PMDF MAIL System > # > Lots of public domain software :- F > PERL, GRACE, PGPLOT, NEWSRDR, LYNX, POVRAY , MOSAIC, IMAGEMAGICK etc  D I have several machines with many ODS-5 drives. Advanced Server 7.2aH works much better with it. Applications that failed on V5 now work fine.  A OSU works just fine. Users don't have to worry about "__20" space / character encoding on pathworks shares anymore.c  B Some of my command files had to be modified to upcase before doingF string comparisons.  jeff.dir and JEFF.DIR are the same directory, butH f$parse(X,,,"type") can return a ".dir" instead of the formerly expected ".DIR".5  C Lots of unix-migrated utilities, Netscape, for example, can put out  lowercase filenames.  H I've grown to like it. Makes for easier interoperability with other OS's6 and longer filenames and unlimited subdirs are useful.     			*JM*B   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:11:07 -0400i, From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate), Subject: Re: OT:  More MSFT on US Navy shipsD Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480002709002311070001@news.patriot.net>  K In article <8qqif1$s5s$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)D wrote:  0 > Warren Spencer (wspencer@ap.nospam.org) wrote: > : [ snip ]K > : Finally, some writer (Hayes??) from ComputerWorld made an argument for  O > : hetrogeneous operating systems worldwide about a year ago.  His argument?   J > : Just like agricultural crops - a single virus could wipe out the farm. > :_ > : ws > :  > J > The US government has had similar concerns about a 100%-Microsoft world, > per the attached article.  > L > Apologies for posting all of the article, but I never found an archive for > articles appearing on  >   >   http://www.federaltimes.com/ >   Federal Times Online > 6 > --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own) > P > ============================================================================== >  > From:a > - >   http://www.federaltimes.com/topstory.htmls0 >   Top Officials Seek Alternatives to Microsoft > = >                Top Officials Seek Alternatives to Microsofte >  >    By Stephen Trimble  >    FEDERAL TIMES STAFF WRITERc >  [selective snip] > K >        Linux, an open-source operating system similar in functionality tooB >    Microsoft Windows, is being given serious consideration as anB >    alternative for government computer users, the official said. > H >        Access to the Linux source code "gives us some confidence," theK >    White House official said, adding that it simplifies patching security , >    breeches and correcting routine errors. > F >        Created by a Finnish graduate student named Linus Torvalls inK >    1991, Linux's open code is relentlessly scrutinized and tested by tensUI >    of thousands of systems analysts worldwide, who constantly recommendO" >    improvements, Klosowski said. > I >        As a result, Linux boasts a robust code that rarely malfunctionstE >    and is extremely difficult for hackers to crack, Klosowski said.- >  [snip]  G Uh, this isn't quite the view of Linux robustness and security one getsaH from the security mailing lists and news groups. This whole article, andF the sources behind it, seems like a thinly-disguised justification forH moving to Linux and a (well-deserved) shot at Windows rather than REALLY' defending and encouraging OS diversity.(   -- v
 Ramon L. TateG	 Casa Maa = taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!S   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:58:38 -0400t  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>+ Subject: Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy shipsi6 Message-ID: <1000927195631.11597B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On 26 Sep 2000, Larry Kilgallen wrote:  a > In article <st1k4tieb3dv11@news.supernews.com>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:4M > > If the US Navy is going to use NT on their ships, they'd better enlist a aJ > > seaman whose name is Mr. Protection Fault, and promote him to General  > > immediately. > * > I believe you were thinking of the Army. > 1 > Admiral Protection Fault doesn't make sense :-)O  D If Bush gets elected, will he immediately promote Admiral Protection$ Fault to Admirable Protection Fault?   Sorry - couldn't resist :-)a   -- s John Santoso Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:40:09 -0400e  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>+ Subject: Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy shipsu6 Message-ID: <1000927213715.11597A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ' On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, John Santos wrote:t  ( > On 26 Sep 2000, Larry Kilgallen wrote: > c > > In article <st1k4tieb3dv11@news.supernews.com>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:fO > > > If the US Navy is going to use NT on their ships, they'd better enlist a oL > > > seaman whose name is Mr. Protection Fault, and promote him to General  > > > immediately. > > , > > I believe you were thinking of the Army. > > 3 > > Admiral Protection Fault doesn't make sense :-)- > F > If Bush gets elected, will he immediately promote Admiral Protection& > Fault to Admirable Protection Fault? >  > Sorry - couldn't resist :-)n  E Read this again and saw it might require explaining...  (and you know F what they say about jokes that require explaining)  MS bigots probablyB think General Protection Faults are a good thing, hence admirable.   -- a John Santosr Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:16:35 -0300o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brd Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMSL Message-ID: <OF1A4990E5.AD801BD7-ON83256967.0063EA8E@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  5 I am saying to generate a .PDF file under OpenVMS ...a  = $ PRINT REPORT.TXT/QUE=PDF$PRINT/PARAMETER=(DISK:[DIRECTORY])-   results-   $ DIR DISK:[DIRECTORY]   Directory DISK:[DIRECTORY]  
 REPORT.PDF  
 Fabio Cardosoj Analista de Suporte                   C rdeininger@MINDSPRING.COM (Robert Deininger) em 27/09/2000 13:09:13 L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Re: PDF under OpenVMS                               >                                                                             H In article <paul.r.anderson-9C8715.10245927092000@news.compaq.com>, Paul, Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote:  J > If you mean a queue that would convert PDF to PostScript for printing onI > any PostScript printer, I will answer with a question:  Does anyone seep& > a need for such a converter in DCPS?  K Yes, it would be useful. A lot of PDF files are distributed these days, andnI they aren't easy to deal with in VMS.  The ability to print them would beg a big plus.e  I I assume you are suggesting something like /PARAM=(DATA=PDF) on the printy
 command...   -- Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:19:45 +0000i From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>s Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS' Message-ID: <39D23A41.740F7469@fsi.net>   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > 7 > I am saying to generate a .PDF file under OpenVMS ...s > ? > $ PRINT REPORT.TXT/QUE=PDF$PRINT/PARAMETER=(DISK:[DIRECTORY])  > 	 > resultsu >  > $ DIR DISK:[DIRECTORY] >  > Directory DISK:[DIRECTORY] >  > REPORT.PDF   This is the same as:  ? $ CONVERT/DOCUMENT REPORT.TXT/FORMAT=TEXT REPORT.PDF/FORMAT=PDFa  
 ...is not?  @ Why use the PRINT command for this when CONVERT/DOCUMENT is more appropriate?   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 19:27:39 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS, Message-ID: <8qthnb$l4p@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  v In article <paul.r.anderson-877947.12315427092000@news.compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes: >eF >What are the redistribution rights to Ghostscript?  Can a commercial I >product include it?  Can a commercial product use it if it's already on s >the system?  ) Depends, see the section on licensing in.h  3   http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/get601.htmlg   K My reading of this is that Compaq could redistribute this but it could not rH charge for it.  Since there is a charge for DCPS, shipping it with DCPS D gets a little messy - you might have to prove to them that DCPS +/- F ghostscript costs the same amount.  If you set up an FTP site with theI binaries prebuilt and include in the DCPS documentations instructions for-A obtaining it you'll probably be ok.  Contact Aladdin to be sure. a  @ Hmm.  If Compaq does go this route they might also consider the K possibilities for overlap with the CDA viewer.  If the print queues can be  F set to convert arbitrary data types via filters to PS, the CDA viewer K should be able to do the same thing - so they might as well share the same  
 "types" file.a  9 >So either me or you can add WOMBAT to the file types in U/ >SYS$LIBRARY:DCPS$FILE_EXTENSION_DATA_TYPE.DAT.a   Exactly.   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech R   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 20:09:12 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <8qtk58$2j6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  v In article <paul.r.anderson-877947.12315427092000@news.compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes:F :What are the redistribution rights to Ghostscript?  Can a commercial I :product include it?  Can a commercial product use it if it's already on o :the system?  J   Paul and I will now commence (off-line) discussions of this and of some    of the related issues. :-)  I   I'm working with another denizen of the newsgroups to get a version of hJ   Ghostscript/Ghostview kitted (hopefully for PCSI installation) and made H   available for the next OpenVMS Freeware distribution, this whether or L   not I can get a (supported) PDF viewer (either in addition to or in place H   of the existing Adobe Java PDF viewer) included within the DECwindows    package itself.d  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:49:11 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS, Message-ID: <39D25D43.3C9BD998@videotron.ca>   David Mathog wrote:o$ > It would be nice to be able to do: >  >    $ print foo.pdf > F > and have it come out on the printer correctly.  However, I'd like toC > suggest that DCPS just put in a hook for this that actually callsm5 > ghostscript to convert to PS and then prints that. 6  G Folks are going to hate me for mentioning this, but ALL-IN-1's had suchfK capabilities for ages. You can define a document type and what functions ton- call to display, edit and print the document.o  J There is also documentation on how to develop DSABs that allow ALL-IN-1 toI transparently process (as part of its main image process) text from a newe document type.    N For instance, it might be possible to write a DSAB that would let you use yourL prefered editor (including WPSPLUS :-) to edit PDF documents if the PDF DSAB4 were written to extract the text from the .PDF file.  L People complained about the size of ALL-IN-1, but in the end, they want manyL of its features as part of standard VMS (your suggestions, need for handling  of attachements, IMAP, POP etc).  I What I find interesting that taht while folks have problems with ALL-IN-1hG size, they seem to have no problems installing MS WORD on a desktop, ani; applications which is BY far much much much bigger than A1..   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 15:50 CSTy' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)t Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS- Message-ID: <27SEP200015501520@gerg.tamu.edu>k  & djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson writes...+ }fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  }> sM }> The question is to generate .PDF files from the simple spool operations on4 }> OpenVMS.4L }> Like generating a Cobol report and requeing to this printer, generating a }> spool.pdf file.$ }> Same as used in Windows 95/98/NT. } 4 }I wasn't aware that this existed. Can you explain?  } H }....or are you talking about Adobe's Acrobat Distiller (PS->PDF) and/orG }"Distiller Assistant"? (receives output from a PS driver, thus you can ( }"print" to it from a WhineDoze program) } I }Are these now shipping with W/9x and/or LoseNT? If so, then I got ripped.B }off 'cuz I BOUGHT Acrobat Exchange which comes with Distiller and }Distiller Assistant.e }  }David J. Dachtera  E There is a more minimal version of the thing called "PDFwriter" whichr@ you install as a printer. It shows up on the list of printers in@ every application (and as a printer in the Printers folder). You> use it just like a printer, but it only prints to a .PDF file.@ The results are often less good than if you use the full Acrobat	 software.6  C PDFwriter came with my printer (oddly enough, since it is somethingwD that you'd often use instead of printing to the printer). (AnoyinglyD enough, even though the Adobe web site indicates that it works under8 Windows 2000 it doesn't for me. It works fine with NT4.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:15:02 GMT,, From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS) Message-ID: <8qto0e$khh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   C In article <paul.r.anderson-877947.12315427092000@news.compaq.com>,23   Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote:u > In articleC > <rdeininger-2709001209130001@user-2ive7jm.dialup.mindspring.com>,k5 > rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:  >lG > > I assume you are suggesting something like /PARAM=(DATA=PDF) on thee > > print command... >t* > Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking.  C There's a program called EXECSYMB (sorry, don't have the URL handy, G although that's a pretty unique name for a search engine, and I think ImC got a copy off the WKU fileserv).  It's a symbiont that can run anyeE program on the system with the spooled file spec (and more) as input. E It would be relatively simple for someone to come up with a .com filehF that would take the PDF input, generate the PS file using GhostScript,> then pump the resultant file out to a printer.  "Print/que=PDF' file.pdf" and you're off and running...n  G Not as elegant as the above, but the software already exists -- it justiG needs to be put together in the right order with the right glue (a .comr file).   Aaronm    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:39:18 GMT9= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <009F0C32.533DE179@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <8qtk58$2j6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  >mw >In article <paul.r.anderson-877947.12315427092000@news.compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes:EG >:What are the redistribution rights to Ghostscript?  Can a commercial 'J >:product include it?  Can a commercial product use it if it's already on 
 >:the system?l >yK >  Paul and I will now commence (off-line) discussions of this and of some   >  of the related issues. :-)w >hJ >  I'm working with another denizen of the newsgroups to get a version of K >  Ghostscript/Ghostview kitted (hopefully for PCSI installation) and made MI >  available for the next OpenVMS Freeware distribution, this whether or ,  J Any chance this version can actually display simple PS procedures?  The GSJ version I've got blows up in the midst of rendering and looks pretty awfulJ too boot while doing so.  The same procedure works just wonderful with the& existing Display PS in the CDA viewer.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMf             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.b   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 21:01:03 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann), Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <8qtn6f$ba2$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  v In article <paul.r.anderson-877947.12315427092000@news.compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes: >In article C ><rdeininger-2709001209130001@user-2ive7jm.dialup.mindspring.com>,  4 >rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote: > G >> I assume you are suggesting something like /PARAM=(DATA=PDF) on the 7 >> print command...> > ) >Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking.l >c. >In article <8qt5km$dc3@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, % >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu wrote:: > % >> It would be nice to be able to do:a >>    $ print foo.pdflG >> and have it come out on the printer correctly. However, I'd like to oE >> suggest that DCPS just put in a hook for this that actually calls sG >> ghostscript to convert to PS and then prints that. I think it would vH >> be a bad use of Compaq time to reinvent the wheel and come up with a ! >> whole new PDF to PS converter.  > F >I'm not sure if the NIH committee that used to meet at Digital still  >meets at Compaq.  ;-) >pF >What are the redistribution rights to Ghostscript?  Can a commercial I >product include it?  Can a commercial product use it if it's already on = >the system?  J Here we use CompuFax, a commercial fax software for VMS. And this includesH some version of GhostScript to convert from PostScript to T4 fax format.) So I would assume it is somehow possible.e   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:13:43 -0400i  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <1000927201201.11597C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  $ On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, SysAdmin wrote:  , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > > 9 > > I am saying to generate a .PDF file under OpenVMS ...s > > A > > $ PRINT REPORT.TXT/QUE=PDF$PRINT/PARAMETER=(DISK:[DIRECTORY])  > >  > > resultsk > >  > > $ DIR DISK:[DIRECTORY] > >  > > Directory DISK:[DIRECTORY] > >  > > REPORT.PDF >  > This is the same as: > A > $ CONVERT/DOCUMENT REPORT.TXT/FORMAT=TEXT REPORT.PDF/FORMAT=PDF  >  > ...is not? > B > Why use the PRINT command for this when CONVERT/DOCUMENT is more > appropriate? >  > David J. DachteraY   Speculation:  > He may have a COBOL program that knows how to send output to a# print queue but not to a text file.a   Is this a common problem?-   -- - John Santos- Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:22:23 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMSL Message-ID: <OFB06FE54A.2542FE12-ON83256968.0001E858@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  K In my personal opinion the .PDF queue would be more interesting if you havee another operating system@ without this resource ! Ex: as an Adv. Server shared queue . . .  
 Fabio Cardosot Analista de Suportei                  0 SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> em 27/09/2000 15:19:45  . Favor responder a djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapsonL                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Re: PDF under OpenVMS                               >                                                                             * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >e7 > I am saying to generate a .PDF file under OpenVMS ...  >d? > $ PRINT REPORT.TXT/QUE=PDF$PRINT/PARAMETER=(DISK:[DIRECTORY])  >h	 > results  >u > $ DIR DISK:[DIRECTORY] >n > Directory DISK:[DIRECTORY] >e > REPORT.PDF   This is the same as:  ? $ CONVERT/DOCUMENT REPORT.TXT/FORMAT=TEXT REPORT.PDF/FORMAT=PDFn  
 ...is not?  @ Why use the PRINT command for this when CONVERT/DOCUMENT is more appropriate?   David J. Dachterap   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:33:04 -050017 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>b Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS- Message-ID: <39D2ADE0.C8FCA326@earthlink.net>T   John Santos wrote: > & > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, SysAdmin wrote: > . > > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > > >P; > > > I am saying to generate a .PDF file under OpenVMS ...  > > >gC > > > $ PRINT REPORT.TXT/QUE=PDF$PRINT/PARAMETER=(DISK:[DIRECTORY])  > > > 
 > > > results  > > >  > > > $ DIR DISK:[DIRECTORY] > > >   > > > Directory DISK:[DIRECTORY] > > >  > > > REPORT.PDF > >  > > This is the same as: > > C > > $ CONVERT/DOCUMENT REPORT.TXT/FORMAT=TEXT REPORT.PDF/FORMAT=PDF  > >  > > ...is not? > > D > > Why use the PRINT command for this when CONVERT/DOCUMENT is more > > appropriate? > >  > > David J. Dachtera  >  > Speculation: > @ > He may have a COBOL program that knows how to send output to a% > print queue but not to a text file.  >  > Is this a common problem?   	 Doubtful.b   There are two ways to do this:   1. Output Directly to a device?    If the device is SET/SPOOLED, the data will be spooled to a  >    "hidden" file (no directory entry) by the system until the >    device channel is closed by the program, at which time the     print job will be released.  ! 2. Output Directly to a disk file @    It is possible to specify that a file should be printed once 7    the output channel used to write the file is closed.a  E Contrary to widely-held belief, there is no such thing as "outputting D directly to a queue". The data must somehow be staged to a disk file first.   ...AFAIK   -- h David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:36:12 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>F Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS- Message-ID: <39D2AE9C.AD8652ED@earthlink.net>   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > M > In my personal opinion the .PDF queue would be more interesting if you have  > another operating systemB > without this resource ! Ex: as an Adv. Server shared queue . . .  H ...and without the ability to pass job parameters to the "symbiont", how/ would you control it? ...where the output goes?h   How would you retrieve it?  B ...and why bother when there's already Distiller and/or PDFwriter?   -- a David J. Dachtera2 dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/>  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.'   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:45:29 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <1000928012742.11597A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  - On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, David J. Dachtera wrote:c   > John Santos wrote: > > ( > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, SysAdmin wrote: > > 0 > > > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > > > >a= > > > > I am saying to generate a .PDF file under OpenVMS ...n > > > > E > > > > $ PRINT REPORT.TXT/QUE=PDF$PRINT/PARAMETER=(DISK:[DIRECTORY])b > > > >  > > > > resultst > > > >. > > > > $ DIR DISK:[DIRECTORY] > > > >t" > > > > Directory DISK:[DIRECTORY] > > > >o > > > > REPORT.PDF > > >e > > > This is the same as: > > >eE > > > $ CONVERT/DOCUMENT REPORT.TXT/FORMAT=TEXT REPORT.PDF/FORMAT=PDFh > > >  > > > ...is not? > > > F > > > Why use the PRINT command for this when CONVERT/DOCUMENT is more > > > appropriate? > > >t > > > David J. DachteraL > >  > > Speculation: > > B > > He may have a COBOL program that knows how to send output to a' > > print queue but not to a text file., > >  > > Is this a common problem?- >  > Doubtful.- >   > There are two ways to do this: >   > 1. Output Directly to a deviceA >    If the device is SET/SPOOLED, the data will be spooled to a 5@ >    "hidden" file (no directory entry) by the system until the @ >    device channel is closed by the program, at which time the   >    print job will be released. > # > 2. Output Directly to a disk fileiB >    It is possible to specify that a file should be printed once 9 >    the output channel used to write the file is closed.I > G > Contrary to widely-held belief, there is no such thing as "outputtingtF > directly to a queue". The data must somehow be staged to a disk file > first. > 
 > ...AFAIK  ? Not my point.  My point was that the application does all this,d< but there is no way to keep it from queuing and deleting the@ intermediate file.  For example, the user doesn't have access to@ the sources, or it is written in COBOL and the user doesn't haveB a COBOL compiler.  (I don't know where I got "COBOL" from; I thinkB it was mentioned earlier in the thread that this was a COBOL app.)  A If it uses the 1st method (writing to a spooled device), it mighto< be possible to trick it into writing to a file by defining a? logical name.  However, "clever" programmers can defeat this by.> translating the logical and stripping of just the device part.; If the application prints to LPA0:, expecting LPA0: to be aeA spooled printer, you could define LPA0 as a logical name pointingeD to SYS$SCRATCH:OUTPUT.TXT, but if the programmer was over-ambitious,A he might have translated LPA0: -> SYS$SCRATCH: -> DKA0:, and then B try to write (NFS) to the system disk!  Maybe defining the logical& with /trans=concealed would help here.  B If the app uses the 2nd method, maybe you can trap it by directing= the output file to a stopped queue, and then copy the file tooB somewhere safe before it gets printed and deleted.  However, if it> is a temp file, it may not be entered in any directory, so you? will have to do an ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR and then pluck it out oft
 [syslost].  A My question was, "How often does the situation arise that someonei? has done something too clever for their own good, and output isn< being directed only to a print queue that can't otherwise be@ captured?"  If it is rare, and the programmer wasn't too obtuse,= the above techinques will probably suffice.  If it is common,a= then it might be worth creating a user-written print symbiontt> that merely copies the files someplace safe and then claims it
 printed them.   ? But clearly the best solution is to just not print (and delete)h# the output file in the first place.    --   John Santos- Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:23:01 GMTe2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>. Subject: Re: Postscript file operations on VMS3 Message-ID: <pjvA5.77$53.23259@typhoon.aracnet.com>o  0 Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote:H > I have suggested to some people within Compaq that the technology usedH > within the PDF Viewer could be adapted to provide a Display PostscriptE > replacement, but so far I haven't gotten any responses.  (I haven't @ > pushed it very hard, either, while working on the PDF Viewer.)  J Isn't this exactly what Apple and Adobe have done with Mac OS X?  Prior toF becoming OS X, NeXTstep/OPENSTEP used Display Postscript for it's GUI.   			Zaneh   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 15:29 CSTT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)l Subject: Re: Press Release- Message-ID: <27SEP200015294650@gerg.tamu.edu>i  ! tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk writes...F }Paul Sture wrote:A }> In article <39CF7C8B.1A7AACF4@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn wrote:  }> > Alan Greig wrote: }> > >1 }> > > How about renaming VMS as "Linux Plus" ;-)t }> > > }> > }> > Nah, Linux ++ }> >, }> Affinity for Linux? Aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhh! }> ___ } 3 }It was a joke, Paul, sorry smiley omitted. Anyway,( }I meant Linux double-plus.e } --7 }Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project)  7 Linux# (pronounced "linux sharp") would be more trendy.t   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2000 19:31:40 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) Subject: Re: Press Release+ Message-ID: <izZ8giOaSGbT@eisner.decus.org>g  W In article <27SEP200015294650@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) writes: # > tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk writes...3 > }Paul Sture wrote:C > }> In article <39CF7C8B.1A7AACF4@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn wrote:a > }> > Alan Greig wrote: > }> > >3 > }> > > How about renaming VMS as "Linux Plus" ;-)r > }> > > > }> > > }> > Nah, Linux ++ > }> >. > }> Affinity for Linux? Aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhh! > }> ___ > } 5 > }It was a joke, Paul, sorry smiley omitted. Anyway,l > }I meant Linux double-plus.' > } --9 > }Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Projecth > 9 > Linux# (pronounced "linux sharp") would be more trendy.n > 
 > --- Carl  / Or, #Linuxb (where the # is the pound sign and u. the trailing b is the musical symbol for flat)   Thus, "pound Linux flat"!      #NTb would be good, too.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 03:56:30 GMT,2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>$ Subject: Privileges needed for PHONE3 Message-ID: <OjzA5.87$53.28107@typhoon.aracnet.com>.  K I'm sure this is a stupid question, but...  Exactly what privileges does a  L user account need to be able to use PHONE?  I'm getting the following error.  I                             OpenVMS Phone Facility            27-SEP-2000  %-1 You do not have the privilege to place that call.0    G This is on a Alpha running OpenVMS V7.2.  I tried RTFM, but that didn'teE seem to help :^(  Worse the Wizard and DejaNews don't seem to either.a  . Everything works fine from the SYSTEM account.  	 		Thanks,c 		     Zanex   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:37:20 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONE, Message-ID: <39D2D90D.3B17306E@videotron.ca>   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > L > I'm sure this is a stupid question, but...  Exactly what privileges does aN > user account need to be able to use PHONE?  I'm getting the following error. > K >                             OpenVMS Phone Facility            27-SEP-2000e > %i3 > You do not have the privilege to place that call.c  L normally, I would beleive tmpmbx and netmbx. (especially if you're trying to  phone someone on another node).   M The target node must also have to have the phone object define and enabled tol receive inbound phone calls.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:38:14 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>r< Subject: Re: Questions about LN20 and no answer from Genicom- Message-ID: <39D2AF16.A3A013FC@earthlink.net>1   Rudolf Wingert wrote:) >  > Hello, > F > I have made some question to Genicom about the LN20, but did not get
 > any answer.- [snip]  @ Genicom is in Chapter 11, and probably hasn't a lot of resources available right now.   --   David J. Dachtera: dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.P   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:57:52 -0300n) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br. Subject: Re: Shadow set.L Message-ID: <OFF4506020.DA790E1F-ON83256967.00629C45@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  ; A shadow set  is a striping (RAID 0) or mirror (RAID 1) ???e  
 Fabio Cardosod Analista de Suportet                  @ Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> em 27/09/2000 11:12:17L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Re: Shadow set.                                     >                                                                             E A shadow set is like RAID 0 - otherwise know as mirroring. It is done # from the host (i.e. the VMS system)g  F To do it you need 2 disks and a shadowing license. The 2 disks must be7 identical (or at least almost - at least the same size)o   Then just mount them correctly   e.g.. mount dsa0:/shadow=(disk1:,disk2:) name1 name1 (see manual for details)  F then you have a device called dsa0: which is actuall 2 disks that will always hold the same datao  = If one disk fails an error will be logged but the system willTE seemlessly carry on aas if nothing has happened. You can then replace  the failed disk when you want.  D Alsp teh system will spread its reads between the 2 disks to get theF best performance. (exactly how this happens I am not 100% sure about -) just read the manual if you need to know)   C In the event of a failure you remoutn the fialed member (same mountiC command as above but only give the new disk name) and the shadowing G system will do a shadow copy to get the new disk up to date - again the E DSA device is still fully accessible and your application can operatei
 as normal.  E You may also see merge copyies after a crash - see manual for details,  C I'm sure other on the group will give more info - or may correct mee  , They may know better - the manual knows best   Hope this helpsO   Mike --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:51:01 -0400d2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>' Subject: Re: Suggested VMS new feature!56 Message-ID: <200009272351_MC2-B4E7-F0C@compuserve.com>  J         While it is, of course, possible for multiple users to share a UI= C,G any system manager who creates such accounts deserves the consequences!   = Message text written by INTERNET:djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson  > =    "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  > =   : > Message text written by INTERNET:system@SendSpamHere.ORGJ > >The UNDELETE request seems to come from the single-use PeeCee mindset.=  J > What do you do if one morning all the users on the system login and, in=  J > a pre-coffee stupor, delete their LOGIN.COM file and request the operat= o J > to restore it?  Which LOGIN.COM of several hundred in the WASTEBASKET d= o  > you restore and to whom??? > <  > =   ( > Don't these files still have an owner?  > The owner UIC may or may not have a relationship to the sourceG directory. Multiple users - each with a different login directory - can  share the same UIC.<   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:08:46 +0100-  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persistH Message-ID: <OFE921B96F.394C91C4-ON80256967.00637713@qedi.quintiles.com>  D Probably the latter - "Please!  Please!  We'll give you thousands ofE dollars and refund the purchase price of the kit (list price, not theOD discounted one) just don't badmouth us to the press again.  Please!"  0 I can see how that might work.  For some anyway. :-)i   Terry Shannon wrote/quoted:.> >>>> Gosh, it might have been eBay's management original cries= > of outrage at Sun that might have led us in that direction.m  E Yeah, but eBay's laughing all the way to the bank. Seems that another8 vendorD (not CPQ) offered eBay **FREE** gear if they would replace their SunE systems. Since eBay didn't take the vendor up on this generous offer,  eitherH eBay is downright stupid or eBay is getting a better-than-free deal from Sun.<<<T   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:15:02 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com * Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persistC Message-ID: <OFEFC5B666.BCE36BA9-ON88256967.007A280A@HEALTHNET.COM>V  I If it's the company I think, I wouldn't be surprised if that weren't parto of the deal offered, too.R   Shanen          J Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) on 09/27/2000 12:08:50 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comy cc:   + Subject:  Re: Sun Hardware problems persisto    E In article <I1pA5.18425$tn.368916@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. , Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > < >> Gosh, it might have been eBay's management original cries> >> of outrage at Sun that might have led us in that direction. >yG > Yeah, but eBay's laughing all the way to the bank. Seems that anotherr vendorF > (not CPQ) offered eBay **FREE** gear if they would replace their SunG > systems. Since eBay didn't take the vendor up on this generous offer,o eitherJ > eBay is downright stupid or eBay is getting a better-than-free deal from > Sun.  I Or eBay has a realistic idea of the cost of porting their custom softwarem between platforms.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:28:20 +0100y1 From: "Graham HAZLEGREAVES" <qg38@dial.pipex.com>a" Subject: Re: Teaming gigabit nic's) Message-ID: <8qtsji$7t7$1@lure.pipex.net>h  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messages0 news:8qra48$lfv$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >gC >   What is on the other end of the connections, what protocols ared= >   in use, what OpenVMS version, what are the goals, etc....   K We are running OpenVMS 7.1-1H1, DECNET Phase IV and TCPWARE V5.3.  The mainm traffic is via IP.  0 The connections are fibre into a gigabit switch.  K The main goals, I believe, are to maximise throughput and provide some sort- of redundancy.  J I must confess Hoff, that I have only been involved with this system since: yesterday so I'm not fully up to speed on what's going on.  I What I'd therefore like to do, if you don't mind, is mail you direct fromiJ work tomorrow.  With the time difference between me and you that will giveF me the time to dig out some details.  If you'd rather keep this in theL newsgroup then drop me a mail at graham.hazlegreaves@innogy.com and I'll see it in the morning.  K I'll also do some RTFM of the TCPWARE manuals tomorrow to see if the answer 	 is there.p   Cheers.y  	 Graham H.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:04:07 +0200s2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)" Subject: Re: Teaming gigabit nic's; Message-ID: <39d2a717.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   0 Graham HAZLEGREAVES (qg38@dial.pipex.com) wrote:G : We have a couple of Alphaserver 4100 5/400 which each have 2, gigabitS$ : ethernet cards in them (GEGPA-SA). :dM : Is there some way we can team (is this the right expression) these together7C : so that as far as VMS is concerned they are just a single device?   F The latest versions of TCPware and Multinet implement a feature calledH "paired network interface support". It doesn't exactly do load balancingE (only insofar that, in sending, the other interface is used if one isT, busy), but builds on the idea of redundancy.  @ That said, I've no idea whether the Gigabit cards are supported.   cu,i   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:40:50 -0300e) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br ' Subject: This list participants profile L Message-ID: <OF8AF50520.400155E2-ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . = .   D What=B4s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because everybody looks likeE experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel ao veteran)... and inH my job I am alone. There=B4re 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above=  30s)  , 8 guys to manageF the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers....  # It=B4s just a market curiosity ....   
 Fabio Cardosoe Analista de Suporte=   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:52:43 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) + Subject: Re: This list participants profiled0 Message-ID: <009F0C3C.94EA3B74@SendSpamHere.ORG>  x In article <OF8AF50520.400155E2-ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:I >I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . =I >.." >OE >What=B4s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it becausea >everybody looks likesF >experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a >veteran)... and iniI >my job I am alone. There=B4re 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above=n > 30s)  1 Chalk one up to quality unix engineering (sneer).s     >, 8 guys to manageeG >the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers....y  : Chalk one up to quality M$ engineering (choke, gag, spew).  $ >It=B4s just a market curiosity .... >e >Fabio Cardoso >Analista de Suporte=L  ? Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS since 7BC.  ;)    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            hO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2000 19:51:13 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)m+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilei* Message-ID: <8qu15h$7rv$1@lisa.gemair.com>  0 In article <009F0C3C.94EA3B74@SendSpamHere.ORG>,> Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:y >In article <OF8AF50520.400155E2-ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:"J >>I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . = >>.. >>F >>What=B4s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because >>everybody looks likeG >>experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a  >>veteran)... and inJ >>my job I am alone. There=B4re 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above= >> 30s)a > 2 >Chalk one up to quality unix engineering (sneer). >8 >6 >>, 8 guys to manageH >>the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers.... >n; >Chalk one up to quality M$ engineering (choke, gag, spew).r >   @ Yes, one friend that OpenVMS does _not_ have are empire buildingB IT managers who think their status depends on how many people they have working for them.  % >>It=B4s just a market curiosity ....d >> >>Fabio Cardosoe >>Analista de Suporte= >v@ >Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS since 7BC.  ;) >a >--sP >VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >           P >city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.   -Jordan Hendersonu jordan@greenapple.comf   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:11:39 -04002* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profiles* Message-ID: <39D2A8DB.4F0DEB8@rtfmcsi.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:r   >.B > Yes, one friend that OpenVMS does _not_ have are empire buildingD > IT managers who think their status depends on how many people they > have working for them. >s  { I'm 31 and I've been working with VAX/VMS and OpenVMS since 1-JUN-1987.  Ingrained enough that for a long time I even wrote 4 the date on personal checks in VMS date-time format.  w I agree with the statement about how few system administrators are needed.  One of my client's data center has 30+ Unixrw systems managed by 6 people, 90+ NT servers managed by about 20 people and 30+ OpenVMS systems managed part time by onea} person.  Before I went into consulting, I had a nice cluster with 8 nodes plus several standalone systems and they all hummed.| along flawlessly for the 5 years that I was responsible for them.  That was back in the days when I could go on vacation for| a week and *KNOW* that those systems would keep on running w/o any problems the whole time I was off work.  Any sufficiently| sophisticated DCL script can effectively run your system for you in your absence.  These days, you cannot so much as take an{ afternoon off to experience the comparative pleasure of a root canal w/o being paged by somebody who is upset that their NT * server flipped them off with the ol' BSOD.     -- Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerC                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:57:52 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>p+ Subject: Re: This list participants profileb- Message-ID: <39D2B3B0.FAC98B39@earthlink.net>o  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > J > I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . . > D > Whats the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because > everybody looks likeG > experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel ai > veteran)... and in > my job I am alone. h  H Let's hope that's a typo. You're 28 and have been working with VMS sinceF 1989. That means you started working on VMS 11 years ago when you were only 16 or 17 years old.   Adolescent prodigy?D  9 > Therere 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 30s)  > , 8 guys to manageH > the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers.... > # > Its just a market curiosity ....n  A Yes - the group is aging. There is some new blood coming in, liken; yourself. In general, though, the bulk of us are "over 30".h   -- l David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:11:13 -05001) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> + Subject: Re: This list participants profilet/ Message-ID: <st5diajd6nf9f8@corp.supernews.com>]  D "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message >J > Let's hope that's a typo. You're 28 and have been working with VMS sinceH > 1989. That means you started working on VMS 11 years ago when you were > only 16 or 17 years old. >o > Adolescent prodigy?V  F Most likely a timesharing terminal at a high school, or had some other= access through a relative or a part time job.  Very possible.o  4 I was using a DECsystem 10 back when I was that age.  C > Yes - the group is aging. There is some new blood coming in, like-= > yourself. In general, though, the bulk of us are "over 30".o  D Are you sure?  I have a quite few years to go before I am even %x30.   -JohnA wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:41:04 -0500i7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>t+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilet- Message-ID: <39D2BDD0.9FC40038@earthlink.net>    "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  > F > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message >L > > Let's hope that's a typo. You're 28 and have been working with VMS sinceJ > > 1989. That means you started working on VMS 11 years ago when you were > > only 16 or 17 years old. > >  > > Adolescent prodigy?  > H > Most likely a timesharing terminal at a high school, or had some other? > access through a relative or a part time job.  Very possible.  > 6 > I was using a DECsystem 10 back when I was that age. > E > > Yes - the group is aging. There is some new blood coming in, liket? > > yourself. In general, though, the bulk of us are "over 30".  > F > Are you sure?  I have a quite few years to go before I am even %x30.  G Well, yeah, that's true. We range in age from younger than you to older D than Andy Goldstein. My partner at Advocate (Tim Wright) was four orG five years older than me (senior VMS guy - kernel hacker of sorts). You D and Dan Sugalski are the youngest VMSers I've met in recent history.  G My take, from looking around the room at the last couple of DECUSes, is.D that the OpenVMS crowd is somewhat heavy on the "senior professional staff" side.   --   David J. Dachteray dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:50:57 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>5 Subject: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)t6 Message-ID: <200009272351_MC2-B4E7-F08@compuserve.com>  ( Message text written by John MacallisterJ >Most people have become accustomed to having an UNDELETE feature and VMS=   must2  provide it if it's to have a longer term future.<  J         And some of us have become accustomed to not having an UNDELETE. =  2 We take precautions against losing anything vital.  J         Undelete is simple in a single user environment, like a PC.  It i= s G far less simple in a busy multi-user environment.  It can be done but InH think it will be difficult, expensive, and probably not be bullet proof!  J         VMS has been my O/S of choice for the last sixteen years.  I woul= deG not pay a nickle for UNDELETE.  Others will doubtless feel differently.>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:51:03 -040042 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: use of LIB$GET_VM6 Message-ID: <200009272351_MC2-B4E7-F0E@compuserve.com>  J         In a virtual address machine, why do you need to allocate memory?=    J         Ok, ok, there are occasionally good reasons to do so.  OTOH, most=  CH programmers seem to feel that it's their duty to use malloc() and free() whether they need it or not!  J         I would statically allocate a buffer as large as I could ever nee= dsA and leave it that way unless it was going to be so large as to beOG impractical.   If I allocate a 65534 byte buffer and only use the firsts9 1024, most of the rest should not occupy physical memory.   + Message text written by "Dominic Olivastro"tJ >I need to write a routine that requires a buffer of varying length.  The=  G exact length of the buffer can not be determined until run-time, and in  factG the length may change during the course of the run.  For example, I may J start out needing only 512 bytes, but then later in the program I may nee= dr 1024 bytes, and later still ...D  F The problem is the buffer must be contiguous, since I have to pass theJ starting address of the buffer and the length of the buffer to a differen= td routine.  B I can get the buffer with LIB$GET_VM, but my understanding is that1 subsequent calls may not return contiguous space.   
 Any ideas? <t   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 18:08:56 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)l Subject: User Authentication, Message-ID: <8qtd3o$31dh$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  A Not wanting to get into a flameware about security or insecurity,  I dare to ask:  D Is there any freely available package that would allow a VAX runningC VMS to authenticate users against an NIS server??  I am starting to E see interest in using the VAX here int he department for student workmD but at this point it is a standalone machine requiring separate userE administration.  This is seen as a serious shortcoming and has in theHC past discouraged use of this resource.  It is possible that at some.E point in the future roles could be reversed with VMS providing all ofsC the authentication for all of our machines, but the current reality F does not allow that.  Is there a solution??  Something ont he Freeware* CD or available from Multinet's archives??  & Any help would be greatly appreciated.   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 27 Sep 2000 16:14:31 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)*  Subject: Re: User Authentication+ Message-ID: <V$q32uzI$wd5@eisner.decus.org>e  ` In article <8qtd3o$31dh$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:C > Not wanting to get into a flameware about security or insecurity,o > I dare to ask: > F > Is there any freely available package that would allow a VAX runningE > VMS to authenticate users against an NIS server??  I am starting toiG > see interest in using the VAX here int he department for student worktF > but at this point it is a standalone machine requiring separate userG > administration.  This is seen as a serious shortcoming and has in the E > past discouraged use of this resource.  It is possible that at some G > point in the future roles could be reversed with VMS providing all ofiE > the authentication for all of our machines, but the current realityiH > does not allow that.  Is there a solution??  Something ont he Freeware, > CD or available from Multinet's archives?? > ( > Any help would be greatly appreciated.   Well, you said it:  ( > Any help would be greatly appreciated.  D What you describe is more-or-less what Compaq does with Microsoft onE their External Authentication introduced in VMS V7.1.  They have saidiE they will let customers implement such connections in the future, but " so far the future has not arrived.  D A while ago someone from VMS Development suggested in this newsgroupB that people who would be interested in testing something like that? should send him their name and a description of their interest.f? His name was Richard.Barry and I don't think any implementation-? would be secure if built by someone who cannot guess his domainm name.n  > Of course if you don't want to be the pioneer and implement an/ NIS connection then you would have to wait for:1  ) 	1) someone else to build what you wantedq- 	2) Compaq to give them permission to releaseo2 	   their code based on a non-disclosure interface   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Sep 2000 20:45:07 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: User Authentication6 Message-ID: <8qtm8j$2q0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <8qtd3o$31dh$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:E :Is there any freely available package that would allow a VAX runninge1 :VMS to authenticate users against an NIS server?n  I   NIS, donno -- IIRC, NIS is common on some platforms, but the associated H   source code is licensed and is non-trivial -- I'd guess the answer is -   "no, there is no NIS nor NIS+ for OpenVMS."t  I   Kerberos-based external authentication is (AFAIK) expected in the next  H   OpenVMS release (currently in field test), and this configuration has /   been demonstrated at various customer events.-   :It is possible that at someF :point in the future roles could be reversed with VMS providing all ofD :the authentication for all of our machines, but the current reality :does not allow that.  0  G   Current reality allows for it in some configurations.  In addition tokI   Kerberos, OpenVMS and PATHWORKS can act as a Primary Domain Controller eH   (PDC) or (depending on what you are up to) a Backup Domain Controller J   (BDC), and external authentication can use OpenVMS PDC/BDC or a PDC/BDC K   on another platform using LAN Manager.  This PDC/BDC support is available    starting in OpenVMS V7.1.r  H   BTW: Kerberos Client and Server are part of the new OpenVMS work, and J   Kerberos is compatible with what Windows 2000, Linux, and various other >   boxes can (and often do) use for distributed authentication.   :Is there a solution??  *   For certain situations, yes.  Obviously.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:50:59 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Volume seth6 Message-ID: <200009272351_MC2-B4E7-F0A@compuserve.com>  +         You have made a really bad mistake!.  G         NEVER, NEVER, NEVER specify any volume but RVN 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!m  E         The files you created on DKB500 will not be found by an image J backup; at least not by OpenVMS/Alpha V6.2-1H3.  I learned this after doi= ngJ an image backup and restore of a volume set during a storage upgrade.  Wh= enJ we tried to start Oracle, it would not start because one of its files was=  = missing!  Fortunately, the original file was still available.r  F         I would strongly recommend that you not use volume sets at allG unless you have files that are larger than a single disk drive.  VolumeEF sets do have their uses but they can easily become a system management
 nightmare!     Message text written by "krish"-% > I am facing some peculiar problems.0  3  I created a volume set using the following commandH  G     $ MOUNT/BIND=3D<volume set name>/SYSTEM DKB300:,DKB500  TEST0,TEST15  J  After creating this i am getting the rvn of dkb300 as 1 and dkb500 as 2.=  5 But when i create files on dkb500 the fid shows up asr   (14,1,1).i  J  Doesn't the third field in the fid stand for the relative volume number?=    E  I am also not able to backup the files from this disk. When i give ae backupG command of a file existing in this disk it is giving me a nofiles found  error. <    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:16:17 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?s; Message-ID: <5IrA5.18466$tn.370350@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e  < It'll be less difficult once the OS achieves COE compliance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:11:29 -0400s" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?n; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20000927141103.0219bb60@24.8.96.48>r  / At 04:02 PM 9/27/00 +0000, Mike Flaherty wrote: K >I just wanted to thank everyone for their input.  I didn't know that there>@ >would be so many folks weighing in but now I have a much betterG >understanding of why code is tough to port over to VMS and that "open"EH >really means that the source is available and not necessarily portable. >cF >FYI: I have since loaded the Compaq supported version of Apache (withI >mod_perl and mod_jserv) on an Alpha.  So far it works like a champ.  the-M >only problem I had with the install is that I had to add OPER to the accounthL >that runs it (server daemons would only last for seconds).  This was due to- >a Multinet bug and Compaq knew all about it.n  L There's a Multinet ECO for that, too. (The bug, strictly speaking, isn't in  Apache)m   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenI;                                       teddy bears get drunkr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:45:22 -0400n* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?a- Message-ID: <39D26A72.D07CCA7A@tsoft-inc.com>s   Robert Deininger wrote:  > H > "Portable" has been one component of "good" for quite a long time now.  O So I'm guessing that if an application isn't written in C or another of the fewtD languages supported on Unix, then it by definition cannot be 'good'?  N Guess a whole bunch of us with applications written in VAX/DEC BASIC will have# to realize that we're just no good.o   Dave   -- u4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.542 ************************uck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerC                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:57:52 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net$e*\صb2F_'A#Nﱦ"c՚e]<&,C.R&22L
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