1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 28 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 543       Contents:, Re: Alphaserver 4100 + KGPSA (Fiber Channel) Re: Alphaserver enhacements  Re: AXP ODL/PC BNU... 6 Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT6 Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT6 Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT6 Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT Re: balls and parachutes Re: balls and parachutes Re: balls and parachutes Re: Bit Bucket Queue8 Bug in UCX 5.0A telnet server: infinite IAC negotiations3 Re: Can anyone share some sample code for X.25 qio? 3 Re: Can anyone share some sample code for X.25 qio? 0 Re: CDD database no longer has its original name Cluster and changing diskclass" Re: Cluster and changing diskclass, Re: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversion Configuring SMTP and DNS DEC - Microvax 2000  Re: DEC - Microvax 2000  Re: DEC - Microvax 2000  Re: DEC - Microvax 2000 1 Re: DEC 3000 memory problems? (VMS boot problems) 1 Re: DEC 3000 memory problems? (VMS boot problems)  DEC Rescue ? Re: DEC Rescue ? Re: Digital Business Link  ECO mailing list7 FDDI joined interface configurations with Multinet v4.3 1 Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales 1 Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales  MIN_LRPCOUNT, etc.( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ? RE: OpenVMS 7.3 " Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy ships' Re: OVMS & Rdb onto Intranet / Internet ' RE: OVMS & Rdb onto Intranet / Internet ' Re: OVMS & Rdb onto Intranet / Internet 
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 Re: set watch  Re: Shadow set. " Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo& Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo& Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo& RE: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo& Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist  RE: Teaming gigabit nic's  Re: Teaming gigabit nic's ) Terminal driver: clear typeahead buffer ? - Re: Terminal driver: clear typeahead buffer ? - Re: Terminal driver: clear typeahead buffer ? " Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" RE: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" RE: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" RE: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile0 Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)0 RE: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)0 Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)0 Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)0 Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)0 Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)0 RE: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!) Re: User Authentication , Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:10:34 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>5 Subject: Re: Alphaserver 4100 + KGPSA (Fiber Channel) * Message-ID: <39D30B0A.267D2F34@uk.sun.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > _ > In article <39D09947.AB51BB37@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  > 9 > > Don't worry it wasn't just you or OpenVMS it seems to  > > be a generic issue.  > > 8 > > EMC have a set of system parameters that you have to7 > > change in the Solaris kernel which in effect do the  > > following. > > 8 > > Throttle the UltraSCSI adpators on the Sun's so that5 > > the maximum transfer speed is 20 MB/s rather than  > > 40.  > > 7 > > Change the SCSI queue length from I think 256 to 2.  > > 2 > > Finally they up the timeout on SCSI transfers. > > 6 > > Rather cutely they told one customer that this was2 > > required to get the slow old Sun's to talk the1 > > the EMC when one of them asked. Unsuprisingly 5 > > the customer wasn't too convinced by this because 2 > > none of their other storage required this kind > > of "tuning". > 9 > Those Sun machines certainly are strange if slowing the : > adapters, reducing the queue length and raising timeouts: > is necessary to "speed up" the hardware to match EMC :-) > & > Thanks for the sanity check, Andrew.  0 It ammused me at the time, well sort of but did 1 make me wonder how many EMC customers would have  ' taken that sort of claim at face value.   3 But seriously is may be worth investigating, a 4100 2 outght to be able to drive a UltraSCSI adaptor at 0 close to its full rate so they could simply have1 been overunning the storage directors on the EMC.   3 I assume that OpenVMS also supports tag queuing and / it would appear from the parameters we have to  / put in that agressive queue lengths e.g >2 :):)  may also not be a good thing.   5 Presumably you can alter the default behaviour of the   the UltraSCSI driver on OpenVMS.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2000 11:08:54 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)$ Subject: Re: Alphaserver enhacements+ Message-ID: <rcL4M8X+W7QT@eisner.decus.org>   x In article <OFD8AF1F3C.411AC8E1-ON83256968.0002638C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:J > No, no, no.. it=B4s just for Telnet to the port and use the console com= > mands 
 > (firmware). E > There=B4s a serial port too. Useful for terminal/modem connections.  > J > It=B4s a HP hardware and I installed a L-1000 server connecting toi thi= > s ) > board. HP has the Web Console (awfull).  >   H Sounds like the old cluster console implemented over Ethernet instead of$ serial lines.  Why not serial lines?  7 Didn't CA pick up the successor to the cluster console?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2000 10:31:25 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: AXP ODL/PC BNU...+ Message-ID: <nCMObSS64Ifv@eisner.decus.org>   x In article <kzmA5.8607$tl2.636684@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:N > How does this work?  Is the PC part just the reader software, or does the PCL > CD contain the documentation as well?  Do the Documentation CDs need to beN > mounted in a central place like our info-server, like we do now or will each3 > PC need its own CD?   What is included on the CD?   F The PC CDs (two of them) contain both software and documentation.  TheF PC must have access to the documentation files, either on CD or copiedH to disk.  If you are reading directly from CD and have only one CD driveG the software will request CD changes as needed.  A copy-to-disk utility  is included.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 10:02:21 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) ? Subject: Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT 0 Message-ID: <8qv4vd$j4e$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  k In article <200009272351_MC2-B4E7-F10@compuserve.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes: , >        What version of VMS.  VAX or Alpha?   OpenVMS 7.1-2 Alpha.   >What SCSI Host Adapter?  D Nothing special, the one that is per default in an Alphastation 255.  ; >Is the SDT-9000 listed in the SPD as a "supported device"?   G Don't know. But VMS is listed in the documentation of the Sony SDT-9000 ' (requires special dip-switch settings).   $ >        What does the errorlog say?  M Nothing, it reports the mounting and dismounting of the tape which is normal.   K >        I would be very nervous about using this device for backups.  You=  >  >should be too!!  L Thats why we test it. And it is working reliably besides the beforementioned
 exception.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:29:50 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> ? Subject: Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT ( Message-ID: <39D347CC.D0F0E1A2@ohio.edu>  Y As soon as I read my own post, with the quoting shown as italics, there was a blank pixel S between the [ and the ]...  I shoud have been able to figure that out from context!   R I would urge that you make a trial with /CRC/GROUP=10/VERIFY and see what happens.  #                                 RDP      Christoph Gartmann wrote:   Z > In article <39D234CC.6538CDB1@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:T > >Please provide the exact sequence of commands used to write that tape, as well as > >the version of VMS. > B > $ BACKUP/NOLOG/NOCRC/GROUP=0/IGNORE=INTERLOCK/NOASSIST/NOALIAS -, >   /IMAGE DISKC: MKA500:17AUG00DC.BCK     -! >   /REWIND/SAVE_SET/LABEL=DC13 -  >   /BLOCK_SIZE=32256  >  > Under OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 . > Q > >What is the character between the DAT1: and the 17AUG (it displays as a hollow  > >rectangle on my Mac)? > I > It is like that, open rectangular bracket followed by close rectangular 
 > bracket. > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  > J > -----------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:17:40 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> ? Subject: Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT 2 Message-ID: <39D35475.6F4E3573@clarityconnect.com>  E Would you post the quotas for the account the BACKUP is run under and # the SYSGEN param CHANNELCNT please.    Christoph Gartmann wrote:  > m > In article <200009272351_MC2-B4E7-F10@compuserve.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes: . > >        What version of VMS.  VAX or Alpha? >  > OpenVMS 7.1-2 Alpha. >  > >What SCSI Host Adapter? > F > Nothing special, the one that is per default in an Alphastation 255. > = > >Is the SDT-9000 listed in the SPD as a "supported device"?  > I > Don't know. But VMS is listed in the documentation of the Sony SDT-9000 ) > (requires special dip-switch settings).  > & > >        What does the errorlog say? > O > Nothing, it reports the mounting and dismounting of the tape which is normal.  > M > >        I would be very nervous about using this device for backups.  You=  > >  > >should be too!! > N > Thats why we test it. And it is working reliably besides the beforementioned > exception. > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  > J > -----------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 15:48:41 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) ? Subject: Re: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT 0 Message-ID: <8qvp8p$s92$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  f In article <39D35475.6F4E3573@clarityconnect.com>, "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:F >Would you post the quotas for the account the BACKUP is run under and$ >the SYSGEN param CHANNELCNT please.   Account's quota:  9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       300  Bytlm:        90000 9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       200  JTquota:       4096 9 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:       200  WSdef:         8000 9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:       250  WSquo:         8000 9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        56  WSextent:     32000 9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2000  Pgflquo:     250000   L And I tried it under the SYSTEM account with EXQUOTA privilege. Same result.   CHANNELCNT is 627.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:13:17 +0200 : From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>! Subject: Re: balls and parachutes - Message-ID: <39D2D36D.16AF9DC9@volkswagen.de>   / Mine arrived about 2 days after the postcard...      Phillip Helbig wrote:  > I > I got my "open it" postcard, but no balls.  When should we folks across  > the pond expect them?  >  > --O > Phillip Helbig                       Email .............. helbig@astro.rug.nl O > Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.uk O > Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647 O > Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100 O > NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ... http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/  > 7 > My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.  > P > <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>   --    - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regards    Karl Rohwedder                C iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig OA Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843 E  E-Mail: rohwedder@decus.decus.de           | iT-IngTeam@t-online.de  +          karl.rohwedder@it-ingenieurteam.deo DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:23:52 GMTo% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) ! Subject: Re: balls and parachutesy2 Message-ID: <39d33783.1894053454@news.newsguy.com>  A On 27 Sep 2000 11:56:04 GMT, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)u wrote:  I >I got my "open it" postcard, but no balls.  When should we folks across p >the pond expect them?  C I'm in the UK and we've been playing with our balls for a week now.nE Got the parachute a couple of days ago. A small number will likely bes" delayed a bit by customs I guess.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:56:41 +0100 $ From: Jacek Tobiasz <jtb@atm.com.pl>! Subject: Re: balls and parachutes ; Message-ID: <00Sep28.155642met.14341@gateway.hq.atm.com.pl>m   Alan Greig wrote:b > C > On 27 Sep 2000 11:56:04 GMT, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)  > wrote: > J > >I got my "open it" postcard, but no balls.  When should we folks across > >the pond expect them? > E > I'm in the UK and we've been playing with our balls for a week now.U [...].  E It's silly to write 'me too' bu I got it a few minutes ago. Poland.    It was sent from France.  D But what's more important - it's OpenVMS marketing. Would you expect such a ball a few years ago ?nC Now, the problem is how to send it to right people (yes, I know Sues is looking for addresses).   Keep on working, Compaq.   Regardse JacekM   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:48:32 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e Subject: Re: Bit Bucket Queue ) Message-ID: <39D321FF.9DC7E7B4@gtech.com>    Terry Marosites wrote: > OpenVMS V7.1-2 > F >   I am trying to create a null print queue. I remember long time agoI > initializing a queue to nl: , But when I try this now I can't start thehN > queue and since I can't start it the printed objects just stay in the queue.M > Causing the files to pile up. I know this is simple for you experts and yesh1 > I looked in the FAQ and could not find a match.p   Try look at:  . ftp://ftp.hhs.dk/pub/vms/symbiont/symbiont.zip9 http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/symbiont/symbiont.zipm   It contains a NULL symbiont.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:11:58 -0700 @ From: "Russell E. Owen" <owen@astroNOJNK.washington.edu.invalid>A Subject: Bug in UCX 5.0A telnet server: infinite IAC negotiationst2 Message-ID: <8qvqke$i81s$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu>  E Has anybody else seen this? We have it on three DEC 3000-300L Alphas  > running a clean installation of VMS 7.2-1 with the associated ) product-formerly-called UCX version 5.0A.   H We have a license for software and upgrades but no license for software D maintenance so Compaq won't take bug reports from us. What a policy.  C Anybody know if Compaq has heard of this? Is there a patch? Is one eH likely? If it weren't for this bug and for ftp between two VMS machines - mysteriously reblocking files, we'd be happy.a  
 -- Russell  G   The VMS 7.2-1 telnet server (with the included TCP/IP services 5.0A) eB is insisting on enabling ECHO mode (via IAC negotiations). I have D appended output from a simple telnet client that we have, in a mode H where negotiations are shown. The client doesn't want the VMS server to D echo, but the server starts insisting, in apparent violation of the + relevant RFCs, leading to an infinite loop.g  F In other tests (output not shown) if the client simply gives up after H awhile and stops replying to WILL-ECHO then the VMS server will shut up H and, fortunately, will not echo. Hence we can patch some of our code to C work around this, but it causes problems for several of our telnet t$ clients whose code we cannot change.  F This is an edited and expanded version of a report from Craig Loomis, D who conducted the initial tests. If you are interested in trying to G duplicate this and don't have relevant software, I can supply a simple G, Python telnet client that shows the problem.  < im> ftelnet 2000000 150000 1 tcctest.apo.nmsu.edu 23 -debug  < IAC-WILL-SUPPRESS GO AHEAD < IAC-DO-SUPPRESS GO AHEAD < IAC-WILL-BINARYt < IAC-DO-BINARY' > IAC-WILL-ECHO  < IAC-DONT-ECHOM > IAC-WILL-SUPPRESS GO AHEAD    A  Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.2-1      Username: > IAC-WILL-ECHO  < IAC-DONT-ECHOf > IAC-WILL-ECHO  < IAC-DONT-ECHO  > IAC-WILL-ECHOU < IAC-DONT-ECHO   
    etc., etc.h  *   Our reading of RFC 857 says this is bad:   1) "3. Default   
    WON'T ECHOn  t    DON'T ECHO"  I 2) "If either party desires himself to echo characters to the other partyrE    or for the other party to echo characters to him, that party gives G    the appropriate command (WILL ECHO or DO ECHO) and waits (and hopes)o?    for acceptance of the option.  If the request to operate theeG    connection in echo mode is refused, then the connection continues to     operate in non-echo mode."    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:40:49 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e< Subject: Re: Can anyone share some sample code for X.25 qio?) Message-ID: <39D32031.82455234@gtech.com>    mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote:C > I need to port some X.25 libraries from UNIX to VMS and I need tovB > understand how to perform the QIO calls in VMS.  Unfortunately I7 > don't have any documentation yet and I am in a hurry.i > ? > Can anyone share some sample code for programming X.25 comms?i5 > I only need to know about SVC's and outgoing calls.o  < Many years ago there were a program PSICOPY (with an obvious functionality).a   You could try and look at that.:   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:22:58 +0200r5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> < Subject: Re: Can anyone share some sample code for X.25 qio?- Message-ID: <39D34632.3A80ECFF@whitehouse.nl>5   mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote:  o? > Can anyone share some sample code for programming X.25 comms?L5 > I only need to know about SVC's and outgoing calls.4  ? In sys$examples you'll find a number of programming examples inp8 different languages. Check out psi*.* in that directory.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:51:16 GMTp' From: Paul <paul_clark0308@my-deja.com>t9 Subject: Re: CDD database no longer has its original name ) Message-ID: <8qv0q4$jrj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>H    Yes, this has solved my problem.   Many thanks     ( In article <39D20EA6.881A3D2F@decus.fi>,;   Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi> wrote:tC > Since the actual error ir from RDB, maybe using $ RMU/ALTER might- > do trick. I.e. >-2 > $ rmu/alter $1$DIA26:[DIR.DIR]CDD$DATABASE.RDB;1 > zzz> display roottF > zzz> deposit root file spec = "$1$DIA26:[DIR.DIR]CDD$DATABASE.RDB;1"
 > zzz> ... > zzz> commit; >aH > I cannot actually remember exact syntax but there is of course help...E > I remember once patching this way close to 200 RDB databases (well,nA > there was another colleague also) whilst we migrated from mixed-A > Phase I shadowing/noshadowing environment (hence some disk with6C > $1$DUSxx and other $1$DUAxx) to Phase II shadowing with all disksrA > now as DSAxx: and therefore all those RDB databases having roottG > file/snapshots and various areas/snapshots with physical device namesl > being invalidated. >D > _veli  >  > Robert Barron wrote: > >lC > > Hi, if I recall correctly you have fool the CDD - there is someD< > > command you use to copy the files. backup doesn't do it.E > > CDD looks for the entire path name. even using a concealed devicee > > won't be enough. > >r2 > > I'll see if I can find the CP I used to use... > >r > > bye  > >o- > > >Can anyone help me with this CDD errror.c > > >a > > >CDO> show all1 > > >%CDO-E-ERRDIRE, error displaying a directory-9 > > >-CDD-F-NOATTACH, unable to attach to dictionary datah4 > > >-RDB-F-DB_CORRUPT, database filename is corrupt$ > > >-RDMS-F-BADROOTMATCH, root fileF > > >"$1$DIA26:[DIR.DIR]CDD$DATABASE.RDB;1" no longer has its original name* > > >"$1$DIA9:[DIR.DIR]CDD$DATABASE.RDB;1"	 > > >CDO>- > > >eH > > >I'm in this situation because I performed a /image restore to a new9 > > >machine and the physical device names are different.0 > > > 4 > > >Is there a utility to change the original name? > > >a > > >Thanks in advance.B > > >@ > > >r+ > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/r > > >Before you buy. >  >a    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.W   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:57:03 +0200n6 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vandijk@getronics.nl>' Subject: Cluster and changing diskclass M Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511A2ADDA@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>   j I have simple question, but I have been looking for the answer for a long time and I need an answer quick.  3 I want to change the disks names from dkb* to dkc*.b  M Reason I want to change is that I want to add a cluster member in a cluster,  o but I get the error message that the systemdisk is already connected to the cluster with scsi id 6 and as dkc0.o  2 On the boot prompt I see the system disk as dkb0. f Is there a way to change this without adding an extra scsi controller or bringing the other node down.  Q The diskcontroller is a HSZ50, the node is an alpha 2100, the VMS version is 6.2.t                  -- Jeroen M.W. van Dijk  Getronics Business Continuity BV8 Error #152 - Windows not found: (C)heer (P)arty (D)ance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:48:11 +0200-8 From: "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kesu@xs4all.be>+ Subject: Re: Cluster and changing diskclass"* Message-ID: <8qvsqa$miq$1@news1.xs4all.nl>   Hi,r  A AFAIK, this has to do with the way firmware, and OpenVMS poll thei controllers.E Sometimes firmware sees the disks as DKB, while VMS sees them as DKC. J Somewhere on the console you can set/change the probing algorithm (I think9 "new" or "old", not sure about that. Maybe this can help.i
 Good luck.   -- Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl) & VMS Wizard in training, Guru wanna be!  # In a world without walls and fencesa who needs windows and gates?   OpenVMS is today what Microsoftd wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!  ! Dijk, Jeroen van wrote in messagesD <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511A2ADDA@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>...J >I have simple question, but I have been looking for the answer for a long  time and I need an answer quick. > 4 >I want to change the disks names from dkb* to dkc*. > D >Reason I want to change is that I want to add a cluster member in a cluster,L >but I get the error message that the systemdisk is already connected to the# cluster with scsi id 6 and as dkc0.  >l2 >On the boot prompt I see the system disk as dkb0.I >Is there a way to change this without adding an extra scsi controller or- bringing the other node down.+ > J >The diskcontroller is a HSZ50, the node is an alpha 2100, the VMS version is 6.2.o >i >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >--  >Jeroen M.W. van Dijk|! >Getronics Business Continuity BV 9 >Error #152 - Windows not found: (C)heer (P)arty (D)ance.b >, >G   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:52:24 +0200m= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>=5 Subject: Re: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversion=) Message-ID: <39D322E8.FF9D54E4@gtech.com>A   Lee Gillie wrote:nD > The nastiest one seems to be translating VAX 8-byte D-FLOAT to theC > typical 8-byte DOUBLE used at the PC, which I understand is IEEE.yA > Of course I would like the conversion to occur on the Intel PC.4F > I started doing the very tedious bit fiddles in C++, but it occurredA > that someone has PROBABLY got some portable code to do this.  I3? > don't think there is anything in any PC RTL to do this, since C > D-FLOAT doesn't seem to be used elsewhere.  Will be interested inL? > reverse translation also.  Yes, I know there are exponent and0 > mantissa size differences.  5 You can do it on the VMS side with CVT$CONVERT_FLOAT.t  3 There are also various source code floating around.    Try look in:  , ftp://ftp.hhs.dk/pub/vms/collection/ieee.zip7 http://www.hhs.dk/anonymous/pub/vms/collection/ieee.zipt   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:31:57 +0100 9 From: "Miller, Daniel" <Daniel.Miller@Nightfreight.co.uk> ! Subject: Configuring SMTP and DNS A Message-ID: <017BBD86A4F6D3118D640020182FB53D04A092@NF-HOUSE-NT1>    Hi everyone,  F I have configured our bind resolver to query a dns on an NT system.  I" can ping a variety of domain namesF and use a web browser.  However when sending email i get failures back with:t  6 %TCPIP-E-SMTP_UNKHST, remote host unknown, fwltech.com, -SYSTEM-F-NOSUCHNODE, remote node is unknown  E The only way i have found that it works is if i enter the domain name-E into the hosts database.  If i do "Sho hosts" in tcpip i also get the - following message after its listed the hosts:o  ( %TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found8 -TCPIP-E-BIND_NO_ZONEXFR, zone transfer was unsuccessful  . If i run NSLOOKUP it fails with the following:  E *** Can't find server name for address < IP ADDRESS OF NT DNS HERE >:- Non-existent host/domain% *** Default servers are not available   G Does anyone have any ideas why the email isnt working or what the errorY messages might indicate?   We have VMS v7.2-1 TCPIP v5.0.   thanks
 Daniel Millerc Nightfreight Plc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:39:21 +0200 , From: "news.ericsson.se" <Kirk.Acid@lion.cc> Subject: DEC - Microvax 2000. Message-ID: <8quvlk$f86$1@newstoo.ericsson.se>   Hello...  ? ive a dec vax2000 running vms, but i dont know the version...   F my problem is that i dont have access to the system, i dont know the0 SYSTEM password; there is a routine from digitalK to crack the box, BOOT /R5 ; set UAF....  to "0" then you should be able toEC log-on with any user and password, but at this point it fails on my3	 machine!!   G Hope you can help me, couse theres no further support from DEC, its aa pain...    Best regards	 Kirk AcidT   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:33:02 GMT8= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)   Subject: Re: DEC - Microvax 20000 Message-ID: <009F0C9E.6A09D0B4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <8quvlk$f86$1@newstoo.ericsson.se>, "news.ericsson.se" <Kirk.Acid@lion.cc> writes:i	 >Hello...r >l@ >ive a dec vax2000 running vms, but i dont know the version... >-G >my problem is that i dont have access to the system, i dont know the-1 >SYSTEM password; there is a routine from digital4L >to crack the box, BOOT /R5 ; set UAF....  to "0" then you should be able toD >log-on with any user and password, but at this point it fails on my
 >machine!! > H >Hope you can help me, couse theres no further support from DEC, its a >pain... >t
 >Best regardso
 >Kirk Acid >g >h    K See the OpenVMS FAQ section MGMT5.  It describes one of the better methods 08 for accessing a system with a forgotten system password.  6 http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html  	  -- or --D  $ http://Eisner.DECUS.org/VMS/data.htm   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM"            cO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:15:09 +0000 (   )n3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>.  Subject: Re: DEC - Microvax 2000I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10009281511440.5396-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>4  , On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, news.ericsson.se wrote:  L > my problem is that i don=B4t have access to the system, i don=B4t know th= e.2 > SYSTEM password; there is a routine from digitalL > to crack the box, BOOT /R5 ; set UAF....  to "0" then you should be able = toE > log-on with any user and password, but at this point it fails on myi > machine!!   B You're in luck, I think there's a slightly different method in theG comp.os.vms faq that may work for you.  (Sorry, I don't have a pointer,5, but dejanews should have multiple copies...)  J Otherwise somebody should be able to help you further.  This is a hobbyist? box, right?  -- or are there actually microvax 2000s in serviceR
 somewhere?  7 If it's a hobbyist box, you'll want a hobbyist license.:G http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist is a good place to start.  You'll needdF membership in a participating decus chapter -- hopefully that won't be
 difficult.   HTH, and regards,s   Chrisl  L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3DF "My two cents"=09=09=09(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)C Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)=09=09=09Prgramer^W Programmer6 Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.j% -------------------------------------pI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes= and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949=20dL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:06:51 +0200t0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>  Subject: Re: DEC - Microvax 2000* Message-ID: <39D37AAB.E76C6A38@Easynet.fr>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > L > See the OpenVMS FAQ section MGMT5.  It describes one of the better methods: > for accessing a system with a forgotten system password.  A What the FAQ doesn't say is that the DCL error handler is not yet F started before the @startup command, this is (to me) why Hoff suggestsG to do a Spawn before. Because, if you mistype a command, the process isDH killed at once and you have to reboot the Vax :-) So, with the Spawn, ifH there is a DCL illegal command, the subprocess is killed and you have to= recreate another one with a new Spawn command. Correct, Hoff?    D.  " PS: Thank you God for Hoff Hoffman (no kidding)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:04:06 -0400n* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>: Subject: Re: DEC 3000 memory problems? (VMS boot problems)- Message-ID: <39D2D146.ACD57C8A@tsoft-inc.com>b   "Howard M. Harte" wrote: >  > Hi,u > M >     Thanks for any information.  I'm starting to get discouraged.  I wanted-L > to get a small, halfway decent VMS system so that I could explore VMS fromM > other than just a simple user perspective.  Already I'm finding out that iteJ > is much more complex than Unix, Linux, etc.  I am somewhat fascinated byM > VMS, since Win NT originated from the VMS group (Dave Cutler, et al.) afterlK > they left DEC.  I've seen one bugcheck message, and it is very similar toc	 > Win NT.c > C >     Thanks in advance for any help, sorry for such a long post...u >  > DEC 3000 - M400r > Digital Equipment Corporationa" > System conducting power up tests <snip> > SYSBOOT> continueh > 5 >     OpenVMS AXP (TM) Operating System, Version V1.5  >  > (hangs after this...)f  K Assuming you're getting a hobby license, the first thing I'd do would be to K install VMS V7.2-1, or V7.3 field test (maybe not) and then try again.  ThesK Alpha VMS V1.5 is rather old.  There could be some SYSGEN settings that are P causing problems.  At least this should rule out any OS problems, and you'd know? if it worked as soon as you booted VMS off the distribution CD.o  ; As for the memory, don't have any 3000s, cannot help there.    Dave   -- ,4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------   Date: 28 SEP 2000 15:37:14 GMT6 From: greenwoodde@feda34.fed.ornl.gov (Dave Greenwood): Subject: Re: DEC 3000 memory problems? (VMS boot problems)2 Message-ID: <28SEP00.15371405@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  B In a previous article, "Howard M. Harte" <hharte@cisco.com> wrote: [snip] > DEC 3000 - M400s > Digital Equipment Corporationl" > System conducting power up tests> > ------------------------------------------------------------ >  S > Devnam           Devstat > --------         -------G >      CPU          OK KN15-BA -V2.4-S462-I077-sV1.0-DECchip 21064 P3.0L >     ASIC          OK$ >      MEM          ?? 828 0050 64MB >      NVR          OKC >      SCC          OK ptr(0) = Not Present  keybd(2) = Not Present B >       NI          OK Ethernet Address: 08-00-2B-32-C3-F9 , TENBT >     SCSI          OK >     ISDN          OK> > ------------------------------------------------------------* > System power up tests detected error(s).5 > See your system documentation for more information.t >  e >  h > >>> test mem% > T-STS-MEM - Current Test ParameterscL > T-STS-MEM -  lo_addr = 00200000   init_mem    = ON    test_bad_pages = OFFJ > T-STS-MEM -  hi_addr = 04000000   stop_on_err = ON       max_retries = 0. > T-STS-MEM - Corrected Error count = 0000000EF > LAS_biu_stat  = 00000000.00003B40  LAS_biu_addr  = 00000000.000F8018F > LAS_fill_synd = 00000000.00002C00  LAS_fill_addr = 00000000.000588D0# > ? T-ERR-MEM - FAILED, status = 50a >    > ?? 828       MEM 0x0050X [snip]  > You could try   >>> show error   to see if that adds anything.  G According to my Dec 3000 Model 400/400S AXP Owner's Guide, the "828" iseF the "Field Replaceable Unit (FRU) number.  The FRU is a Digital numberH allocated to a component or module in your system."  The "0x0050" is theH hex error number.  The Guide goes on to say that "for a complete list ofE FRU numbers and diagnostic test error numbers, see the DEC 3000 Modelr 400/400S AXP Service Guide".  I So all you need to do is trudge on down to your local purveyor of Service-C Guides and get one and you'll be able to determine what you need tos replace.  Good luck.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOViH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 14:59:04 GMT- From: ba600@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mike Kenzie)  Subject: DEC Rescue ? . Message-ID: <8qvmbo$j5$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>  0 Does anyone know what has happened to this list?  H I have a VAXstation in Ottawa I'm trying to get running again and need a monitor.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:08:28 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> Subject: Re: DEC Rescue ?q* Message-ID: <39D37B0C.4129D3E4@Easynet.fr>   Mike Kenzie wrote: > 2 > Does anyone know what has happened to this list? > J > I have a VAXstation in Ottawa I'm trying to get running again and need a
 > monitor.  B You know why you have no replies ? :-) Because the question is not< clear. Where is the link between this list and your problem?   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:48:28 +0200z0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>" Subject: Re: Digital Business Link* Message-ID: <39D3765C.87A74B1F@Easynet.fr>   Island Computers wrote:t > 8 > They want you to Window Shop in a store with no prices  * They want to kill the DEC passion. Period.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:16:24 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: ECO mailing listaL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2809001216240001@user-2ive7u1.dialup.mindspring.com>  C Well, the good news is the VMS patch mailing list is working again. 3 I've received 2 emails in the last couple of weeks.f  I The bad news is, I only get Tru64 unix security alerts.  I haven't gotteno a VMS email in over a year.o  k Maybe it's a subtle marketing ploy.  Something like "aren't you glad you don't use THIS buggy unix-thing!".t   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:30:25 -0400D: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>@ Subject: FDDI joined interface configurations with Multinet v4.3K Message-ID: <91A9507020DBD311992F0008C709517C545BAC@MBCALBEXC00.BENDER.COM>1  F In the release notes for Multinet v4.3 it mentions "joined interfaces ' must be connected to the same cable".     E Not being a network cable guy, it seems that this might lead to some  A unique fiber cable configurations if I am reading it correctly.  fD Especially if one had 2 dual attached FDDI cards that one wanted to D join in a GS160 with 2 partitions, such that redundancy in the FDDI H cards was provided for in addition to the up wind redundancy in network H gear.  I guess the A ports between the two FDDI DAS would "Y" together,  and the B ports also.     C This is all probably something best taken up with Process Software sE (which I will do and report back, if I do not see a response to this 0K post), but it is an interesting tangent to this list, since it potentially iE affects how end-users to our systems view uptime.  (ie: Network out, n6 or network card out, is like system down to end-user.)  H But my questions here are, am I reading things correctly (if anyone has C already contacted Process Software), and also does anybody know of  # anyone who makes such fibre cables?i   :) jck   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:18:14 -0400t* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>: Subject: Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales- Message-ID: <39D2D496.B357B85D@tsoft-inc.com>h   moi_is_me wrote: >  > Greetings, > D >    This should really be sent to someone at ComPaq (who ?) - but i= >    thought i would start here ... and see if others concur.- > > >    On an ALMOST daily basis, Sun is auctioning (at eBay) NEW >    Ultra 5's and Ultra 10's. > A >    Both come with a 19" Monitor, Graphics card, 64/128mg (5/10)"? >    memory, CD-ROM, 9GB hard-drives, Video card, and Solaris 7i >    (MARCH-99) Installedr > @ >    Reserve seems to be around $1750.00 + $2650.00 respectively > A >    Perhaps (I am sure) ALPHA sales of OpenVMS/TRU64/Linux wouldy6 >    greatly increase if ComPaq did something similar. > > >    In comparison (as you may know), a linux, 466 alpha, with. >    10GB and 128mg and no monitor is $3814.00 > < >    So the question is ... why doesn't ComPaq, reduce cost,< >    and increase sales by following Sun's example on eBay ?   An interesting idea, but:   ? There's 'selling' a product, and then there's 'giving it away'.0  N VMS has been a good product for it's vendors, even if not always appriciated. O It has good margins, loyal users (what's left of them), and it's far from beingIN a lemon.  However, Compaq has multiple products, and if VMS wasn't such a goodJ product, producing good revenue AND margins, Compaq wouldn't value it veryP highly.  Thus, VMS must maintain good margins in order for Compaq to continue toN keep it around.  Not saying this is good, and you probably could get me to sayP that it's not so good rather easily.  Still, pricing it close to what the marketD will bear is more necessary for VMS than possibly for other systems.  A Also, William Webb had a rather interesting observation/question.-   Dave   -- .4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:38:08 GMTn' From: moi_is_me <moi_is_me@my-deja.com>g: Subject: Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales) Message-ID: <8qvs5g$9io$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   5 In article <D_yA5.271$uO1.27301@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>,d6   "MrSignor" <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net> wrote: > >> David J. Dachtera wroteG > >> Get some of those PC164LX motherboards from IslandCo (if they haves anye > left),; > >> build 'em up into systems, pre-load 'em with Linux andr6 > >> auction 'em off for what ever markup you can get! >oB > >>  Just 'cuz Cpq is sitting on their hands doesn't mean WE must follow > their example... >tH > Thats NOT the point. The SUN's mentioned are Brand NEW, with a monitor+ > and, what many would consider, a good OS.  > F > Performance wise, I don't know how a Ultra-5 / Ultra-10 compare to a2 > DS-10, but $2650.00 for a Ultra-10 is way cheap. >n >m  % extract from today's The Register ... 4    http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13581.html  B    Sun CEO and chairman Scott McNealy has come up with a novel way7    of flogging his low-end Sun Blade 1000 workstations.D  <    Punters will be able to get the 600MHz machines, based on@    UltraSPARC III technology and launched today, only by bidding    on auction Website eBay.v  ?    Previous auctions have resulted in 45 per cent of sales fromg>    customers who had never bought from Sun before, the companyB    claims. "With auctioning, you know what your products are worthA    because the market dictates the final price for each product,"     said McNealy.    # If it's true ... 45 % is impressive       & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:16:06 -0400X From: stan@stanq.com Subject: MIN_LRPCOUNT, etc.O- Message-ID: <39D2A9E6.4950.90DB5F8@localhost>i  D In what version of VMS for VAX did support of MIN_LRPCOUNT (and its C cousins, SRPCOUNT and IRPCOUNT) disappear?  It's supported in 5.4, a and generates errors in 7.2.  @ I'd like to conditionalize a VMSINSTAL script to generate these * entries only on systems that require them.   Thanks in advance.     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671"1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2000 10:56:28 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?o+ Message-ID: <zPgwCL+BO3$z@eisner.decus.org>5  Z In article <8qtbg0$i4u$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) writes: > L > Just upgraded our Academic Alpha cluster to VMS 7.2-1 and put on  JDK 1.2. > = > I'm considering whether to upgrade our user disks to ODS-5.i > $ > Are people using ODS-5 a lot yet ?  5 Yes.  All non-system disks on my Alpha are now ODS-5.H  8 > Any problems with applications or any other problems ?  F With ODS-5 and the latest ECO to the C RTL (see yesterday's post) JavaE work is much easier (recommend you turn off case-changing in both DCLlD and C RTL so arguments  to main are passed as typed to both the Java! compiler and the resulting code).m  B Ran through a lot of old utility programs (readtar, unzip, ...) toI remove name unmangling for ODS-5, keep it for ODS-2.  Couldn't fix my oldOD copy of unzip (works when compiled /debug/noopt, didn't have time toF track down the code bug) so I'm using a new one from Compaq.  IIRC the/ latest unzip from the author already has a fix.u  G OBTW, the C RTL ECO also fixed a problem I was having with CMS extended  file name libraries.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationg= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group.E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2000 11:04:59 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?-+ Message-ID: <fIZv1Res2BkS@eisner.decus.org>   w In article <5CCE7B98AD37E51E.562E9F81EF829801.164732454758217B@lp.airnews.net>, JM <vmswiz@geonospamcities.com> writes:9  D > Some of my command files had to be modified to upcase before doingC > string comparisons.  jeff.dir and JEFF.DIR are the same directoryh  I No they're not.  jeff.DIR and JEFF.DIR are the same.  anal/disk will flagdD the use of .dir for directory files and I've had some utilities failG to recognize them.  The need for directories to be .DIR;1 is documentedt in the extended file name docs.   F If you're using CDE, the file manager can't handle extended file namesA (HP eunichs code must have got "fixed up"), so fire up DECwindows  FileView instead.   H OBTW, new versions of files take on the same case as old versions so youI have to purge to one version to change the case of an existing file name.2  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GrouppE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingi   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2000 17:23:03 +0100O From: pmoreau@dev.ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40)3 Subject: RE: OpenVMS 7.3  Message-ID: <oGzZ1EcYCchT@sable>  C In article <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A620C@and02.drc.com>, /+ "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> writes:i  pF > The Real Reason (TM) behind the failure of (Open)VMS as a desktop OSA > and the cause of the demise of Digital Equipment Corporation:  e > B > Lack of Must Have software included with the operating system:   > No Solitaire.o > H > It's obvious that if DECWindows included solitaire or freecell Windows% > would never have gained a foothold.d  F If you want DECwindows games, you can find them at the DEC archive :-)  ' http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/decw/-  A (BTW there is a minesweeper game looking really like the M$ one).i   PatrickE --O ===============================================================================fO pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)G4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:33:24 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)o+ Subject: Re: OT: More MSFT on US Navy ships-2 Message-ID: <39d31018.1883962655@news.newsguy.com>  E On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:40:09 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:o    G >> If Bush gets elected, will he immediately promote Admiral Protectionm' >> Fault to Admirable Protection Fault?u >>   >> Sorry - couldn't resist :-) >IF >Read this again and saw it might require explaining...  (and you knowG >what they say about jokes that require explaining)  MS bigots probablypC >think General Protection Faults are a good thing, hence admirable.e  B I assumed you meant Bush's reference to subliminable when he meant
 subliminal     >--  >John Santos >Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.e >781-861-0670 ext 539' >s   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:17:24 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>0 Subject: Re: OVMS & Rdb onto Intranet / Internet* Message-ID: <39D30CA4.FCC16A89@uk.sun.com>   Alan Greig wrote:u > 9 > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 12:56:03 +0400, "Ruslan R. Laishev" # > <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> wrote:i >  > >>>eQ > >> Is there any connector available for Rdb to be acceeded from a Web server onV > >> OVMS ?t > >>T > >> I plan to use Apache on an Alpha DS10. Your Ideas, or remarks please ...What is' > >> the administrator program for it ?s > >>O > >> I am a long time user of Ovms, but newbie on th Web connectior in the Ovmsa > >> area... > >>, > >> Thanks for th time you take to help me. > # > Have a look at the RDB Web  agent 1 > http://technet.oracle.com/products/rdbwebagent/T > H > Alternatively could could just have Apache (or other web server) run aF > CGI DCL script which uses interactive SQL to pass data if the app is > simple enough. >  > -- > Alan GreigB Another option would be to use Java Serverlets in your WEB server . and use a JDBC connection to the RDB database.   Regardsj Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:21:30 -0500i+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>c0 Subject: RE: OVMS & Rdb onto Intranet / InternetJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284833@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Michel,-  D These recent announcements from Attunity and Cognos might also be of interest to you:L <http://www.attunity.com/content/newsevents/detail.asp?catid=6&scatid=20&o=1 07&y=01/01/2000&h=1> <http://www.cognos.com/adtpci/>0   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canada0 Professional Services2 Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.com9       -----Original Message-----> From: Michel Herrscher Consultant [mailto:michel@herrscher.fr]+ Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 2:39 AMt To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com , Subject: OVMS & Rdb onto Intranet / Internet    L Excuse the cross posting, but it allows me a larger source of experiences...    L Is there any connector available for Rdb to be acceeded from a Web server on OVMS ?  L I plan to use Apache on an Alpha DS10. Your Ideas, or remarks please ...What is" the administrator program for it ?    J I am a long time user of Ovms, but newbie on th Web connectior in the Ovms area...   ' Thanks for th time you take to help me.R     -- Michel HERRSCHER Consultant  mhc@herrscher.fr Tel : +33 (0)450 870 912 Fax : +33 (0)450 871 741 Gsm : +33 (0)609 044 711   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:28:07 -0000i- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)T0 Subject: Re: OVMS & Rdb onto Intranet / Internet/ Message-ID: <st6os72efq4378@news.supernews.com>e  1 djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson (SysAdmin) wrote in o <39D2090B.ED7887CF@fsi.net>:   >Jordan Henderson wrote: >[snip],; >> (I don't mean to seem ungracious, but does it seem to mea9 >> that we get a lot of queries here that could be easilyo9 >> be resolved by going to the FAQ, a vendor's site, likei" >> Oracle, or to a search engine?) >c- >Many such resources have usability problems.  > " >Case in point: Compaq's web site. >  >David J. Dachtera  K I'm with David on this one.  I've used Oracle on VMS for 5 years, and each -L year when I check back at their web site to attempt something useful, I run G into broken code, searches that return unusable results, or downed web n: sites.  In contrast, comp.os.vms has VMS-Like Reliability.   ws   -- t << Boycott Shampoo >>i << Demand REAL POO >>    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 17:40:44 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: PCA questions, Message-ID: <8qvvqs$se6@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  F When using the decwindows variant of PCA to examine data that has beenJ collected is there some simple method to move to specific locations within the annotated source code?    I The program in question has about 50 functions in one file of about 11000tJ lines of C code.  (Ugly yes, but it is also highly portable since no buildF procedure is required on any platform!)  When the bar graph shows thatG "function20" uses 10% of the time how do I tell the source code browsergJ that I want to view that section of the annotated source listing?  I triedI double clicking on the function names in the bar chart, and other similarsJ tricks but nothing caused any motion in the screen.  This would be less ofK a problem if there was even a rudimentary FIND function in the program, butrH as with the debugger, there is no simple way to FIND anything.  And thatH 11000 lines grows to something huge once all the include files go in, so' scanning up and down is no fun at all. w  I The first time I tried saving the annotated listing as a chart it crashedaK PCA without creating an output file - Process Quota exceeded. After closingmI every other window on the desktop I was finally able to save a "chart" of  the annotated sequence.   H The hotspots turned up something I had not expected.  The program does aL lot of fgets() and fprintf() and those used up about 10% of the time.  I hadH expected them to use more like 90% of the time, but the actual breakdown was:     function        %i fclose         27.0e fopen          21.79 remove         16.50 fprintf        11.8B fgets           2.2  stat            1.3f  J This program wasn't opening/closing/removing all that many files, which isK a good thing, considering the performance hit that those operations seem totF entail.  (This is one of those programs that is a poster child for why& OpenVMS IO is slow compared to Unix.)   G By the way, for the people who maintain the PCA, when "next hotspot" is J selected the cursor doesn't change shape while it's scanning - it stays anC arrow when it should be a clock, and the wait can be very long (tenoK seconds) in a file this large.  What's the point of having a GUI variant ifbF it's as slow as a turtle?  Don't ask me why the application is so slowJ moving around in the annotated version, but it need not be that way.  OnceK the annotated source was saved as a chart (text file) I was able to view itoL with nedit, which was blindingly fast moving from one end of the file to theD other.  And it has a decent search function.  It wasn't very good atF finding "next hotspot" though.  To get around that I'd have to write aG filter to process the annotated source, extract the percent/line numberjL pairs, and sort those.  Which is what I'd expect PCA to do too.  Definitely ' room for improvement in this interface.o   Thanks,:   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edul? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:38:05 -0400o* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS- Message-ID: <39D2D93D.F879EFC7@tsoft-inc.com>n   David Mathog wrote:) > L > My reading of this is that Compaq could redistribute this but it could notI > charge for it.  Since there is a charge for DCPS, shipping it with DCPSdE > gets a little messy - you might have to prove to them that DCPS +/- $ > ghostscript costs the same amount.  P Since Compaq really doesn't charge for DCPS, it charges for a license to use it,O then it just might not be an issue.  As for media, they're not charging for anymM of the software on the media, just for the cost of producing and distributing.I the media.  There is also the concept of the VMS freeware CD(s), and thisaK appears to be Ok.  All you would have to do is include the Ghostscript as a,L freeware part of the DCPS distribution, allow the installation to optionallyM include it and enable the usage of freeware from within DCPS.  As long as you P include all the required (if there is such) notices about the freeware, I really don't see a problem.  L To take this further, there may be many freeware products that could enhanceO proprietary VMS products/utilities.  The casual user might be better off if thenN product installation procedure set up the product to use the freeware and alsoM installed it, than making the user figure it out on his own.  This would be ahP method for VMS to provide additional capabilities, without having to write them,G and with proper notice that the freeware is NOT a part of the supportedtL software, not have to support the freeware.  Yes, there may be problems thatM might not be clear where they originate.  Still, the benefits should outweigh-
 the problems.l  G Of course, an attorney once told me the truth, which still astounds me.m  M "There is no right and wrong, there is no justice, there are just winners and27 losers, and all an attorney wants is a point to argue."e  5 So, there is no firm answer to the original question.u   Dave   -- s4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:50:40 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>m Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <39D3065D.D814795@videotron.ca>   J Another advantage of using a queue as a PS->PDF document processor is loadN management/distribution. You can let the cluster queue manager spread the laodM of jobs amongst the various nodes, and more importantly, you can submit a job/K which will run at a lower priority. You can submit a whole bunch of jobs tonW run while you're away, and possible create individual log files for later verification./  N Using the "convert" method requires you stay in front of your terminal for the whole process.   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 08:38:45 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)I Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <8qv02l$ifc$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  g In article <39D2ADE0.C8FCA326@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:n >> rA >> He may have a COBOL program that knows how to send output to ad& >> print queue but not to a text file. >> s >> Is this a common problem? >,
 >Doubtful. >e >There are two ways to do this:s >p >1. Output Directly to a device @ >   If the device is SET/SPOOLED, the data will be spooled to a ? >   "hidden" file (no directory entry) by the system until the q? >   device channel is closed by the program, at which time the D >   print job will be released.o >f" >2. Output Directly to a disk fileA >   It is possible to specify that a file should be printed once p8 >   the output channel used to write the file is closed. > F >Contrary to widely-held belief, there is no such thing as "outputtingE >directly to a queue". The data must somehow be staged to a disk file- >first.   L But you have often software from third parties that knows about print queuesJ but not about files. And in this case you have no problem integrating your( converter into any existing application.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann0  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:53:20 -0300s) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMSL Message-ID: <OF2CBFC975.CEB85897-ON83256968.003B6BFC@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  I Both methods of generating .PDF files : PRINT and CONVERT command will bed welcome.G And in my country PS is not much popular .... people here prefer .PDF !   
 Fabio Cardosoo Analista de Suporte,                  > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> em 28/09/2000 05:50:40L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Re: PDF under OpenVMS                               >                                                                             J Another advantage of using a queue as a PS->PDF document processor is loadI management/distribution. You can let the cluster queue manager spread then laodI of jobs amongst the various nodes, and more importantly, you can submit ae joblK which will run at a lower priority. You can submit a whole bunch of jobs tonI run while you're away, and possible create individual log files for later'
 verification.e  J Using the "convert" method requires you stay in front of your terminal for thei whole process.   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 14:53:23 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS, Message-ID: <8qvm13$nud@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  x In article <OF1A4990E5.AD801BD7-ON83256967.0063EA8E@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:6 >I am saying to generate a .PDF file under OpenVMS ... > > >$ PRINT REPORT.TXT/QUE=PDF$PRINT/PARAMETER=(DISK:[DIRECTORY]) >-  K Wouldn't it make more sense to add that feature to CONVERT, whose function  . is, not surprisingly, to convert file formats?   Since you can already do  :  $ convert/document REPORT.TXT/form=text REPORT.PS/form=ps  ) then this would be the logical extension:   <  $ convert/document REPORT.TXT/form=text REPORT.PDF/form=pdf    H The point this discussion makes clear is that since DCPS is back inside B Compaq they should seize the opportunity to centralize the format G conversion facilities so that CONVERT, PRINT, and VIEW all use the same  core.o   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edun? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:14:13 -0500i/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>e Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMSO Message-ID: <96976AFDE1B5569F.ACBAD4A950469B97.8E4F2583A66DB1DF@lp.airnews.net>=   Robert Deininger wrote:m > w > In article <paul.r.anderson-9C8715.10245927092000@news.compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote:  > L > > If you mean a queue that would convert PDF to PostScript for printing onK > > any PostScript printer, I will answer with a question:  Does anyone see ( > > a need for such a converter in DCPS? > M > Yes, it would be useful. A lot of PDF files are distributed these days, and K > they aren't easy to deal with in VMS.  The ability to print them would be=
 > a big plus.= > K > I assume you are suggesting something like /PARAM=(DATA=PDF) on the print0 > command...    > There is already a product available which will convert PDF to Postscript.     	http://applied-synergy.com/pdf/  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------J$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com t   Fax: 817-237-3074n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:44:52 GMTs% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)  Subject: Re: Press Release2 Message-ID: <39d310fc.1884190763@news.newsguy.com>  A On 27 Sep 2000 16:30:51 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davide Mathog) wrote:    G >>Well with the wonderfully designed roving desktops and profiles on NT H >>it's not uncommon  to find NT copying 100MB across the network on user- >>login/out. here. Plenty of time to waste :(- >-K >Usually that's internet explorer's fault.  Go into the "internet options",pI >"advanced" section and check "empty temporary internet files folder whenDL >browser closes".  Otherwise, the whole cache area moves back and forth withJ >the profile.   Wish I knew how to override the user settings so that thatL >happened no matter what the user did.  (I mean, knew how other than by the O >supported method of downloading a customization kit and build a new version ofS >the program.  Blech!) s  E Yes that helps if you are willing to dump your local cache frequentlyIF but Windows habit of defaulting download locations to the desktop plus< storing mail archives etc in the profile not to mention 20MB> registries is a bigger problem for us than the Internet cache.  B A related problem is that although Windows itself is clever enoughF about shortcuts, Windows 2000 seems to fool a lot of packages and many? tools carrying out a recursive directory read (TreeSize Pro for A example) follows the "My Network Places" desktop links in Windowss 2000.r   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:01:40 -0500n) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>- Subject: Re: Press Release/ Message-ID: <st6g5i6ed8qhf5@corp.supernews.com>K  : "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.education> wrote2  in message news:8qt7br$dc3@gap.cco.caltech.edu...  L > Usually that's internet explorer's fault.  Go into the "internet options",J > "advanced" section and check "empty temporary internet files folder whenH > browser closes".  Otherwise, the whole cache area moves back and forth withK > the profile.   Wish I knew how to override the user settings so that thatnL > happened no matter what the user did.  (I mean, knew how other than by theE > supported method of downloading a customization kit and build a new-
 version of > the program.  Blech!)   J It is a registry setting.  By the way, it is possible to lock the user outD so that they can not purge the cache at all, or change the settings.  H This is typically done on a large site where to prevent help desk calls,I they lock down the settings so that the users can not change the firewallWH settings.  (They probably did not realize that they also locked the user1 into keeping about 20 days web surfing with them.r  G Sorry, I do not have the registry settings handy to tell you how to fixn this.i   -Johns wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:33:52 -0300h) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra Subject: Print soft for OVMSL Message-ID: <OFFB9151A8.5B6CEB20-ON83256968.004FEA88@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Check   M http://www.nls.com/products/products.html?con=/products/products_content.htmln  F They have a Print Soft for OpenVMS. Sounds interesting ! Do you know ?  
 Fabio Cardosos Analista de Suporten   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:58:40 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONEI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009281554500.8155-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>k  ) On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Zane H. Healy wrote:M  L +I'm sure this is a stupid question, but...  Exactly what privileges does a M +user account need to be able to use PHONE?  I'm getting the following error.n [...]r2 +You do not have the privilege to place that call. +e +iH +This is on a Alpha running OpenVMS V7.2.  I tried RTFM, but that didn'tF +seem to help :^(  Worse the Wizard and DejaNews don't seem to either.  *  Check if PHONE.EXE is properly installed: $ INSTAL > LIST PHONE/FULL   8  and must see in the privilege list (at least have it in on-hand system): - SYSNAM - PRMMBX - WORLDa - OPER - NETMBX  
 +		Thanks, +		     Zane    Regards - Gotfryd   -- aE =====================================================================nF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:03:26 -0400s. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>< Subject: Re: Questions about LN20 and no answer from Genicom+ Message-ID: <8qvivi$e44$1@bob.news.rcn.net>h   Hello --  L I thought Genicom had been sold to some outfit called 'Sun Capital Partners' back in August, or some such thing.  I In any event www.genicom.com has some information; I don't know if it has  thee specific drivers referenced.   Ken Randello    G David J. Dachtera wrote in message <39D2AF16.A3A013FC@earthlink.net>...a >Rudolf Wingert wrote: >>	 >> Hello,o >>G >> I have made some question to Genicom about the LN20, but did not get  >> any answer. >[snip]i > A >Genicom is in Chapter 11, and probably hasn't a lot of resourcesC >available right now.u >t >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/  > ; >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:e  >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ >pG >This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postingsr >is to be expected.  >aA >Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  > G >However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are  >strongly discouraged.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:36:51 +0200t0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>. Subject: Re: restart an Alpha ETN42-CA machine* Message-ID: <39D30323.E2B70BD9@Easynet.fr>   Osmo Kujala wrote: > cutt  ! That time, everything correct :-)o  F I plugged a Video PCI card, I had to plug a mouse and a keyboard, thenB the "thing" booted on the PC terminal connected to the video card,F saying something wrong with the communication towards the terminal and6 that "output is transferred to the first serial port".  F So I connected a VT200 to port A at 9600 bauds, and here it is, a menu with some options:    boot the current OS (WINDOWS NT) install WINDOWS NT (again :-)c configure the boot
 run a programt  @ I tried to boot, but the "thing" said "wrong device mumblefratz"   so, no VMS, no nothing :-(  ? Actually, it seems than the machine didn't run VMS in its life.g; Now, I will try to boot from the CD, but I need some doc...t  B I will search it on the Web and come back here if I don't find it.   Thanks to all. D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:00:33 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> . Subject: Re: restart an Alpha ETN42-CA machineO Message-ID: <1BCBE80ECD319D4F.4C5DBFC6DC621B71.9262228CEEF3A9F5@lp.airnews.net>g   Didier Morandi wrote:c >  > Osmo Kujala wrote: > > cutf > # > That time, everything correct :-)- > H > I plugged a Video PCI card, I had to plug a mouse and a keyboard, thenD > the "thing" booted on the PC terminal connected to the video card,H > saying something wrong with the communication towards the terminal and8 > that "output is transferred to the first serial port". > H > So I connected a VT200 to port A at 9600 bauds, and here it is, a menu > with some options: > " > boot the current OS (WINDOWS NT) > install WINDOWS NT (again :-)h > configure the boot > run a programc > B > I tried to boot, but the "thing" said "wrong device mumblefratz"  E You have stumbled into the ARC console.  To run VMS, you need the SRMg console.  D Go to the "configure" option.  Somewhere down that tree should be anE option to "set VMS console".  After you select that, you will need toD" cycle power for it to take affect.  
 Good luck!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------i$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com A   Fax: 817-237-3074d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:18:29 GMTy From: richard_maher@my-deja.com  Subject: Re: RTR and DECdtmn) Message-ID: <8qv5th$nfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>p   Hi,   E Does anyone know if Brian Ota still works for Compaq? is on holidays?d* or just selective about who he replies to?   Regards Richard Maher.   From: 	Richard Maher+ Sent:	Thursday, September 21, 2000 12:24 PMh  To:	'brian.ota@NOSPAMcompaq.com'> Subject: VMS COM+, MTS and TIP (Transaction internet Protocol)  	 Hi Brian,e  E Re: http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/dcom/futures.html   D I came across this page yesterday, saw your name and was hoping thatF you may be able to answer a couple of questions for me regarding VMS's) TIP requirements from a COM+ perspective:c  D 1) What is the state of play? When was the page posted and has thereF been any progress? I have been in touch with John Apps and Rich RoscoeG of Compaq over the past eight months lobbying to get DECdtm upgraded to 1 be TCP/IP, TIP and XA compatable but to no avail.r  B 2) Do you agree that for Compaq to deliver COM+ (ie 2PC capabilityG between MTS (and SQL Server or Oracle8i etc) and VMS DECdtm (and Rdb ord@ other database) then VMS (or your COM software) must be made TIP compatable?-  G 3) Do you believe that it would be ludicrous for Compaq to take a trulymG flexible and *open* two-pipe standard like TIP and wrap it up in a COM+SF only one-pipe cloake? Especially as Microsoft provides easy API access: to its TIP/COM+ URLs via DtcGetTransactionManagerEx et al.  F 4) Do you agree that any TIP functionality on VMS belongs with DECdtm?? Especially if OracleRdb, OracleDBMS or RMS with ever be able tos participate in the 2PC.r  & Thanks in advance for any information.   Regards Richard Maher.   > Futures (COM+ and MTS) >lE > The current version of COM for OpenVMS does not include any COM+ orn, MTS (Microsoft Transaction Server) features.F > Compaq is gathering information and requirements from its customers,- partners, and ISVs to determine what COM+ andi- > MTS features are needed in COM for OpenVMS.R >P@ > COM, and other industry standard middleware technologies, is a2 critical component to the success of the OpenVMS eG > Business strategy. We are committed to fully realizing this strategy.  >eG > If you have specific COM+ or MTS requirements, please forward them ton! Brian Ota (brian.ota@compaq.com).s    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:17:53 -0400S From: Everhart <ge@gce.com>l Subject: Safety and Zmenu ' Message-ID: <39D36121.F619EEC5@gce.com>t  7 For those with VMS 7.2 or 7.2-1 (or the 7.3 fieldtest): C Zmenu is used by the Safety setup but broke in VMS 7.2. A fixed one ? was supplied (by if memory serves Dick Munroe) and is availablebH at his site (acornsw.com) or at ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/zmenu.zipC (again from memory). Also there was some PSB code that needed to bepB compiled in for VMS 7.2. Those objects were on one of the sigtapesB (either fall 1999 or spring 2000 if I recall right) and should be  used.   > I hadn't remembered this before and will have to get the thingA properly kitted for the Fall 2000 sigtapes. Until then you shouldlD just replace zmenu*.exe using the ones from zmenu.zip if building on9 Alpha VMS 7.2 or later. Earlier versions don't need this.l   Sorry for the inconvenience. Glenn Everhart Everhart@gce.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:21:46 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>n Subject: Re: Safety SPD / Message-ID: <st6kvpio1qfu8e@corp.supernews.com>   7 "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> wrote in message/! news:39CFA3CE.5AF8172F@GCE.com... = > I was surprised to get an email that someone thought Safety3C > replaces the DELETE command. That is not the case; it changes theP0 > filesystem semantics a bit for selected disks. >8@ > Here is my SPD. If someone is interested in paying for support: > that can be arranged, but in general I just give it out.  < Glenn this looks like a great program and looks like it doesD everything that the people in the thread "UNDELET (Was Re: SuggestedF VMS new feature!)" seem to keep saying can not be done on a multi-user system.   B I tried installing it on our test ES40 running VMS 7.2-1 (with allB required patches and the next version of firmware that has not yetD been released) and when I got to the @SYS$MANAGER:JT_SETUP part this is what I saw;  0 Mode of deletion handling defaults to .COM files. It is much faster in rename mode, but you must. define `area to save deleted or shelved files`/ as a directory only, and be sure that directory 0 exists on each disk being used. This script will1 NOT create this directory on each disk by itself. = %OTS-F-INTDATCOR, internal data corrupted in Run-Time LibraryB! Disk:[directory] for scratch use:     9 If I turn on verify then this is a section of what I see;    $ ffscrr=gcyscratch ' $zmenu/POINTER="-->"/SYMBOLS/initial=12 ,     ?#6?[1;7mSafety (SDH) SETUP?[m  00:00:00  =      ^ 'fjtddb'Set area to hold SDH database files ('fgcycm') ;      ^  Set start intercept driver unit number (now 'ndsk') 1      ^ 'fjtsys'Set area for SDH images ('fgcysy') A      ^  Set images which are exempt from Safety (e.g. defraggers)n-      ^ 'fgsca'Set area for scratch ('ffscrr')dA      ^ 'fgdla'Set area to save deleted or shelved files ('delsv')s@      ^  Set mode of deletion handling (current value: 'gblmode')4      ^ 'fcspm'Enable/Disable volume space monitoring7      ^  Remove a disk from Safety startup configurationa>      ^  Set file moving handling modes (experts only, please.)      ^  Quit, do nothing.      ^  Done this menu, process disk selection      ^  HELP, please!!  = %OTS-F-INTDATCOR, internal data corrupted in Run-Time Library  $if choice .eq. 13    D Is this a known problem? I probably will not have any more play timeB today or tomorrow to try this again, but if you know of a solution: then I may get a chance to play with this again next week.  F Thanks for what looks like a great solution for some of us who are tooD quick with the PURGE or DELETE comamnds. (Just last week I spent twoF hours testing out a section of DCL for a programmer, x.com;25 did what? the programmer said he wanted, x.com;19 did what the programmerm/ actually wanted, guess who just did a purge...)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:01:28 +0100r< From: "Graham Harrison" <graham.harrison@cheshdatasys.co.uk> Subject: Scsi Drivers.2 Message-ID: <8qvmdh$hgf$1@starburst.uk.insnet.net>  G Are we ever going to get an OpenVMS driver for the 7800 (or is it 7900)P series scsi channels on themK motherboards of DS20's and DS20E's?  Surly they are good enough for runninge theqG internal CD and 5 1/2" bay, if not for running the shortage works shelf- itself (DS20).  J Or am I the only one that realy hates having to specify a manditory 2 scsi chanels (Multi functionP5 card or 2 scsi cards) just to run the internal stuff?9  G I hope that the reason drivers haven't been produced, is to stop people  putting 7800 scsi cardsrI into OpenVMS systems.  Not that the cost difference wouldn't be nice, I'dc just like to use the reasources provided.   --   Graham.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:55:10 +0200a' From: "vmsmurfy" <vmsmurfy@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: set watch* Message-ID: <8qv85u$5im$1@cyan.nl.gxn.net>  D An extract from the output from $ VERB SET on my OpenVMS V7.1-2 box: define syntax SET_WATCH     image SETWATCHn    parameter P1, label=OPTION=       value (required)2    parameter P2, label=WATCH_OPTION, prompt="What")       value (required,type=WATCH_OPTIONS)a    qualifier CLASS.       value (required,list,type=WATCH_CLASSES)    disallow not CLASSd   define type WATCH_OPTIONS-    keyword FILE-   define type WATCH_CLASSESJ    keyword ALL, negatablen     keyword ATTRIBUTES, negatable&    keyword CONTROL_FUNCTION, negatable*    keyword DIRECTORY_OPERATIONS, negatable    keyword DUMP, negatable    keyword ATTACHED, negatable$    keyword MAJOR_FUNCTION, negatable    keyword NONEP&    keyword QUOTA_OPERATIONS, negatable     keyword PROTECTION, negatable  . And Yes, it appears that FILE is the only one. vmsmurfy  K <dejamalc@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8qfcsj$edr$1@nnrp1.deja.com...p? > Are there any other options for "set watch" other than FILE ?o >  > dejamalc.  >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:09:41 GMTc/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>i Subject: Re: Shadow set.) Message-ID: <8qvce2$rvt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>m  @ WHoops - sorry - miskeyed it - obviously it is a mirror (Raid 1)   much apologies  7 In article <OFF4506020.DA790E1F-ON83256967.00629C45@ep-m bc.petrobras.com.br>,n,   fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:= > A shadow set  is a striping (RAID 0) or mirror (RAID 1) ???e >) > Fabio Cardosol > Analista de Suporteo >mB > Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> em 27/09/2000 11:12:17 >d! >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr > = >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)s >  >  Assunto: Re: Shadow set.t >IG > A shadow set is like RAID 0 - otherwise know as mirroring. It is donee% > from the host (i.e. the VMS system)0 >eH > To do it you need 2 disks and a shadowing license. The 2 disks must be9 > identical (or at least almost - at least the same size)t >k  > Then just mount them correctly >0 > e.g.0 > mount dsa0:/shadow=(disk1:,disk2:) name1 name1 > (see manual for details) >4H > then you have a device called dsa0: which is actuall 2 disks that will > always hold the same datad >f? > If one disk fails an error will be logged but the system willcG > seemlessly carry on aas if nothing has happened. You can then replace   > the failed disk when you want. >fF > Alsp teh system will spread its reads between the 2 disks to get theH > best performance. (exactly how this happens I am not 100% sure about -+ > just read the manual if you need to know)i > E > In the event of a failure you remoutn the fialed member (same mounttE > command as above but only give the new disk name) and the shadowingtE > system will do a shadow copy to get the new disk up to date - againu the G > DSA device is still fully accessible and your application can operateB > as normal. >pG > You may also see merge copyies after a crash - see manual for details, > E > I'm sure other on the group will give more info - or may correct me  >v. > They may know better - the manual knows best >o > Hope this helps  >  > Mike > --D > All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
 > employer >o( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >  >e   --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:39:44 -0300P) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br.+ Subject: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS LogocL Message-ID: <OF6822E1F2.6DE56510-ON83256968.005065F5@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  K Is that shark really the OpenVMS symbol ? This means: skarks eat penguins ;! -)  2 http://www.montagar.com/dfwlug/openvms_issues.html   Is this logo really up ???  
 Fabio Cardoso  Analista de Suporte0   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 15:24:02 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)/ Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo., Message-ID: <8qvnqi$nud@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  x In article <OF6822E1F2.6DE56510-ON83256968.005065F5@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:) >Is that shark really the OpenVMS symbol?g  D Well, it was at one point, but since the logo does not appear on theK OpenVMS page at www.openvms.compaq.com or anywhere in the most recent issuetI of the OpenVMS Times it may have been deemphasized or dropped by Compaq.    # > This means: skarks eat penguins ;e  G I doubt there are many sharks in the waters around Antarctica. Penguins I living in South American and Africa probably have shark problems though.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech =   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:38:37 -0400M* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>/ Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo=+ Message-ID: <39D365FD.F862BA5B@rtfmcsi.com>=   David Mathog wrote:-   >-% > > This means: skarks eat penguins ;0 >1I > I doubt there are many sharks in the waters around Antarctica. Penguins:J > living in South American and Africa probably have shark problems though. >.  w Actually, according to a recent trip to Sea World in Cleveland (formerly Akron, now a suburb of Cleveland) Ohio, killer,x whales are the big predators of penguins.  They even showed a short video segment of a killer whale cruising along undery some vegetation growing on the water surface while it hunted for penguins who were near the edges of the vegetation.  The j video was complete up to and including the actual consumption of a penguin by a rather large killer whale.  u Needless to say, my 5 year old daughter was quite impressed and this prompted her to spend the whole afternoon in the-U aquarium building asking which creatures ate all of the other creatures in the tanks.o     -- Chuck Choppa  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerC                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:26:19 -0400i) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>r/ Subject: RE: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS LogoDB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A620D@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Chuck Chopp [mailto:ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com] 7 > Actually, according to a recent trip to Sea World in nD > Cleveland (formerly Akron, now a suburb of Cleveland) Ohio, killer@ > whales are the big predators of penguins.  They even showed a     A I thought Seaworld was in Aurora, Ohio located between Akron and  ? Cleveland and, most importantly, due west of beautiful downtownN" Hiram, Ohio home of Hiram College.       Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:38:34 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>/ Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS LogoV+ Message-ID: <39D3740A.C48156E6@rtfmcsi.com>m   "Ebinger . Eric" wrote:c   > > -----Original Message-----5 > > From: Chuck Chopp [mailto:ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com]l8 > > Actually, according to a recent trip to Sea World inF > > Cleveland (formerly Akron, now a suburb of Cleveland) Ohio, killerA > > whales are the big predators of penguins.  They even showed aC >0B > I thought Seaworld was in Aurora, Ohio located between Akron andA > Cleveland and, most importantly, due west of beautiful downtownt$ > Hiram, Ohio home of Hiram College. >g > Eric Ebinger  H Oops!.  My mistake.  It is in Aurora, but Seaworld officially advertisesF itself now as being in Cleveland.  Apparently the urban sprawl that isH Cleveland has spread so far and wide that Aurora is now considered to be a suburb of Cleveland.       -- Chuck Choppt  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerC                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 01:49:47 -0400i* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist- Message-ID: <39D2DBFB.E57B6C8C@tsoft-inc.com>-  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:- > F > Probably the latter - "Please!  Please!  We'll give you thousands ofG > dollars and refund the purchase price of the kit (list price, not thedF > discounted one) just don't badmouth us to the press again.  Please!" > 2 > I can see how that might work.  For some anyway. > :-)t >  > Terry Shannon wrote/quoted:.@ > >>>> Gosh, it might have been eBay's management original cries? > > of outrage at Sun that might have led us in that direction.s > G > Yeah, but eBay's laughing all the way to the bank. Seems that anotherm > vendorF > (not CPQ) offered eBay **FREE** gear if they would replace their SunG > systems. Since eBay didn't take the vendor up on this generous offer,e > eitherJ > eBay is downright stupid or eBay is getting a better-than-free deal from	 > Sun.<<<u    N Well, there is another thread that talks about Sun systems being auctioned off= rather cheaply on E-BAY.  Is that where the 'bribe' ended up?)   Dave   -- a4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:02:54 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39D34F8D.52927F3E@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote: > 5 > On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:32:41 +0100, andrew harrisono# > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:b > G > >Sorry Kerry you havn't answered the question. You seem happy to quizpC > >me on ebays issues but when I raise etrade suddenly you clam up.T > >M > >So answer the question. > D > Oh wow!  What an incredibly ironic comment from Andrew, the artfulB > dodger.  How many times have others requested the same from you, > without result?t > 6 The eBay outage was caused by an unapplied patch to a 8 third party product. You can quiz me as much as you like6 about the product in question and I cannot answer your4 questions, nor can I tell you why the patch was not 7 applied. This is because the 3rd party app supplier andm< eBay would prefer it if Sun did not publish the information.  = That being said the only place where I have seen any dispute  = about the fact that it was an unapplied patch to a 3rd party  4 product that caused the outage is on this newsgroup.  7 Is eTrade such a different story, there is no concrete  = information about what actually caused eTrades outage, Kerry ,; waves his hands and says it was only a configuration issue. @ Without answering the question as to who made the configuration > error and why did the error hang the cluster when most people 1 thought that this sort of thing could not happen.t  = In other words the kind of FUD storm raised on this newsgroups? over eBay had exactly the same factual basis as the allegationsy over eTrade.  < The only difference is that Compaq has not been exhonerated = given that eTrades outage was apparently caused by a hardwarec= configuration change which had almost certainly to have been  = made by a Compaq engineer, the "configuration mistake" seems l; to have been Compaqs mistake and not eTrades or any of the  : applications providers. In addition there is the question < of why a configuration change could have hung the supposedly9 un-hangable cluster. Now personally I never thought that p9 OpenVMS clusters were un-hangable but there are plenty ofh5 OpenVMS boosters who would like people to think this.l  : And some posts have been made suggesting that for example = eBays follow on commitment to Sun hardware has been based on -6 Sun giving them the hardware for free. Of course these> throwers of stones in glass houses have conveniently forgotten6 that eTrade has also invested in more OpenVMS systems ; and perhaps the only way Compaq got them to do this was to g9 give them the kit :):):). Exactly the same factual basis o as the eBay FUD good isn't it.   > What a maroon! >   / Really anyone outside this group following this 1 thread would I think have detected the tiny weenyk4 double standard being excercised by OpenVMS boosters on this group.  1 Its OK to FUD Sun and anyone else with no factuale2 basis to the FUD and its even OK to get found out   when the FUD proves to be wrong.  3 But its totally out of order for someone or attack d/ OpenVMS on the same basis even if the there is b2 no information that currently refutes this attack.  . Are you in marketing at Compaq, perhaps an ex , Digital marketeer it only the impression you" give from this posting !! :):):):)   Regards  Andrew Harrison$ Enterprise IT Architects   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:13:07 GMTi4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist; Message-ID: <n6KA5.19478$tn.411265@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>s  7 > > On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:32:41 +0100, andrew harrisonn% > > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:R > >e > >d7 > The eBay outage was caused by an unapplied patch to as: > third party product. You can quiz me as much as you like8 > about the product in question and I cannot answer your5 > questions, nor can I tell you why the patch was notU9 > applied. This is because the 3rd party app supplier anda> > eBay would prefer it if Sun did not publish the information.  H Yeah, you'd need a Ouija board--dare I say an Oracle?--to figure out who' that third party app supplier might be!t     > 8 > Is eTrade such a different story, there is no concrete8 > information about what actually caused eTrades outage.  # A rather crufty batch of MS-Cement.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:22:56 -0400 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>" Subject: RE: Teaming gigabit nic'sK Message-ID: <91A9507020DBD311992F0008C709517C545BAB@MBCALBEXC00.BENDER.COM>   E Are we sure that Multinet v.4.3 does not provide load balancing with I# "paired network interface support"?R  F I was reading the Multinet v4.3 release notes on page 11, and it says,  C "... A performance benefit of this linking occurs if data is to be iE transmitted on an interface that happens to be busy; MultiNet assignst; the data to the least busy interface for transmission. ..."l  E I guess it depends on how one defines load balancing, and whether... .- what is in print, actually works as intended.    Has anyone tried it yet?  B The release notes do not explicitly indicate Gigabit, but it does D mention "common Ethernet, FDDI, or Token Ring cable."  So the answerB to the original poster may be no, as far as Multinet is concerned.   :) jck   > -----Original Message-----B > From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de [mailto:martin@radiogaga.harz.de]. > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:04 PM > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comr$ > Subject: Re: Teaming gigabit nic's >  > 2 > Graham HAZLEGREAVES (qg38@dial.pipex.com) wrote:? > : We have a couple of Alphaserver 4100 5/400 which each have n > 2, gigabit& > : ethernet cards in them (GEGPA-SA). > : 5 > : Is there some way we can team (is this the right   > expression) these togetherE > : so that as far as VMS is concerned they are just a single device?  > H > The latest versions of TCPware and Multinet implement a feature called< > "paired network interface support". It doesn't exactly do  > load balancingG > (only insofar that, in sending, the other interface is used if one iso. > busy), but builds on the idea of redundancy. > B > That said, I've no idea whether the Gigabit cards are supported. >  > cu,t
 >   Martin > --> > One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS &  > WNT programmer9 > One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.des( > One OS to bring them all      |       * > http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/@ > And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:05:44 +0200,2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)" Subject: Re: Teaming gigabit nic's; Message-ID: <39d35e48.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>a   [posted and mailed]U  0 Graham HAZLEGREAVES (qg38@dial.pipex.com) wrote:M : We are running OpenVMS 7.1-1H1, DECNET Phase IV and TCPWARE V5.3.  The maink : traffic is via IP. ... M : The main goals, I believe, are to maximise throughput and provide some sortI : of redundancy. ...oM : I'll also do some RTFM of the TCPWARE manuals tomorrow to see if the answerm : is there.m  L It isn't. TCPware 5.4 is the first version to have "paired network interface% support". See http://www.process.com/t   cu,n   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 04:13:10 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>32 Subject: Terminal driver: clear typeahead buffer ?, Message-ID: <39D2FD96.3369726B@videotron.ca>  K Is there a QIO function code or some efficient means to clear the typeahead  buffer ?  K I know there is a SENSE_MODE to get the number of characters in the buffer,1 but I need to clear it.o    J I am not too interested in doing a sensemode, and then a read operation toM read that many characters since I want to discard any character in the buffert? prior to my acknowledging start of a binary transfer operation.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:26:49 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e6 Subject: Re: Terminal driver: clear typeahead buffer ?0 Message-ID: <009F0C9D.8BE036AC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <39D2FD96.3369726B@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:L >Is there a QIO function code or some efficient means to clear the typeahead	 >buffer ?l >eL >I know there is a SENSE_MODE to get the number of characters in the buffer, >but I need to clear it. >l >dK >I am not too interested in doing a sensemode, and then a read operation to N >read that many characters since I want to discard any character in the buffer@ >prior to my acknowledging start of a binary transfer operation.   IO$_READxBLK!IO$M_PURGE    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa            hO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:47:50 GMTr+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com>r6 Subject: Re: Terminal driver: clear typeahead buffer ?) Message-ID: <8qvb55$r42$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  0 In article <009F0C9D.8BE036AC@SendSpamHere.ORG>,    system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:7 > In article <39D2FD96.3369726B@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei & <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:D > >Is there a QIO function code or some efficient means to clear the	 typeaheady > >buffer ?  > >lF > >I know there is a SENSE_MODE to get the number of characters in the buffer,e > >but I need to clear it. > >o > >e@ > >I am not too interested in doing a sensemode, and then a read operation toE > >read that many characters since I want to discard any character inx
 the bufferB > >prior to my acknowledging start of a binary transfer operation. >e > IO$_READxBLK!IO$M_PURGEs  D If you purely want to flush the buffer without reading anything, useG IO$_READxBLK|IO$M_PURGE|IO$M_TIMED, with timeout = 0. IIRC you can thenoF also set the receive buffer address and length to 0 without risk of an ACCVIO.-   Chris    Chris8    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:38:12 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brc+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilepL Message-ID: <OFF830513B.60239F6E-ON83256968.0039F4EB@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H Prodigy ? Me ? No... When I was 16, I began to work in the  Data Center=  of H a mining company in a projet for training youngers with computing. I wo= rkedE in the teleprocessing and learned a lot of Netview, Roscoe, VTAM, JESd stuff.H  But when my experience finished I began to work in a brazilian shippin= g * company (now bought by Hamburg S=FCd) withH  a VAX 6420 as a computer operator, etc ....  my manager locked me in t= he) library  with all those orange books fromg' DEC and I began to study DCL, etc .....c  
 Fabio Cardosot Analista de SuporteC                  : "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> em 28/09/2000 00:11:13H                                                                        =     =20TH                                                                        =     =20eH                                                                        =     =20k    @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: This list participants profile                 =20@                                                              =20           =     D "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message >H > Let's hope that's a typo. You're 28 and have been working with VMS si= nce H > 1989. That means you started working on VMS 11 years ago when you wer= e  > only 16 or 17 years old. >a > Adolescent prodigy?d  F Most likely a timesharing terminal at a high school, or had some other= access through a relative or a part time job.  Very possible.a  4 I was using a DECsystem 10 back when I was that age.  C > Yes - the group is aging. There is some new blood coming in, liked= > yourself. In general, though, the bulk of us are "over 30".s  D Are you sure?  I have a quite few years to go before I am even %x30.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network           =    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:53:12 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilee) Message-ID: <39D32317.CD8D33E1@gtech.com>   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:D > Whats the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because > everybody looks likeG > experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a- > veteran)... and inL > my job I am alone. Therere 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 30s) > , 8 guys to manageH > the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers.... > # > Its just a market curiosity ....i   age 35.-   13 years with VMS.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:41:08 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com+ Subject: Re: This list participants profileiH Message-ID: <OF873079D5.2EA97139-ON80256968.003FCBAE@qedi.quintiles.com>  & To follow a lead from someone else....   %X20H Working as a career with VMS for five and a quarter years, but have been" working with VMS since about 1989.   Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:05:33 -0400w0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000928080533.009ebc90@discovery.fuentez.com>  ' At 12:53 PM 9/28/2000 +0200, you wrote:h+ >fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: G >> What=B4s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because2 >> everybody looks likesH >> experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a >> veteran)... and ineK >> my job I am alone. There=B4re 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above=   30s)0 >> , 8 guys to manageoI >> the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers....4 >>=20i& >> It=B4s just a market curiosity .... >> >age 35. >: >13 years with VMS.s   Age 50.e  K Experience with VMS since V2.0 (longer than I care to remember) and RSX ande: other good DEC/PDP stuff since dinosaurs roamed the earth.   :-)h8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-b7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systemse Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USAd  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235h Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702' Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com=20Q        jhjennis@shentel.neti& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:07:11 +0107 (CEST)/ From: Tomasz Dryjanski <tdryjanski@hotmail.com>t+ Subject: Re: This list participants profiler5 Message-ID: <F239JlNK9W1IpMKX9ss00001d68@hotmail.com>a  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:E >What=B4s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because  >everybody looks like-F >experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel = a, >veteran)... and inMF >my job I am alone. There=B4re 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (ab= ove 30s) >, 8 guys to manage-F >the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers..= .. >d$ >It=B4s just a market curiosity ....  @ I am also 28, 4 years of experience (+ 1 year at an university).   T. DryjanskiF _____________________________________________________________________= ____F Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.= com.  D Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at= =20n http://profiles.msn.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:37:27 +0200f5 From: "philippe bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>o+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile $ Message-ID: <39d32c35@news.euriware>  ' 34 (on saturday ;-) )  In love since 86 C <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> a crit dans le message news:eA OF8AF50520.400155E2-ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...hH I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . .  B Whats the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because everybody looks likeE experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel ap veteran)... and inJ my job I am alone. Therere 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 30s) , 8 guys to manageF the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers....  ! Its just a market curiosity ....n  
 Fabio Cardosoy Analista de Suportee   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:10:32 -0300 (EST)h From: becherini@vortex.ufrgs.brw+ Subject: Re: This list participants profileh, Message-ID: <00092810103287@vortex.ufrgs.br>  O _______________________________________________________________________________b  + . From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>n- . Subject: Re: This list participants profilee' . Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:11:13 -0500a . To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  . F . "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message >L . > Let's hope that's a typo. You're 28 and have been working with VMS sinceJ . > 1989. That means you started working on VMS 11 years ago when you were . > only 16 or 17 years old. . >u . > Adolescent prodigy?h    4 	my soon was 6 years old when I started to teach him 	VMS, including DCL.  + 	now he's 16, so he has 10 years of VMS ...   ) 	he knows more about computing than me :)e  N  _____________________________________________________________________________O |                                                                             | O | Fabio Becherini                   System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGS |oO |_____________________________________________________________________________|    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:24:11 -0400  From: forank@DFO-MPO.GC.CA+ Subject: RE: This list participants profile ? Message-ID: <254EE5CE305FD211832C0060B06B2652027CCFCD@MSGNCR05>i   Same vintage Jim  I Started with PDP and RSX11 before moving to IBM for a number of years.  =  Back with VMS since 87.   Cheers     Ken  :-{)u   	-----Original Message-----a6 	From:	Jim Jennis [SMTP:jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com]+ 	Sent:	Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:06 AMo 	To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, 	Subject:	Re: This list participants profile  ( 	At 12:53 PM 9/28/2000 +0200, you wrote:, 	>fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:@ 	>> What=B4s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it becauseu 	>> everybody looks likeB 	>> experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a 	>> veteran)... and inD 	>> my job I am alone. There=B4re 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 30s)d 	>> , 8 guys to manage> 	>> the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers..... 	>>=20' 	>> It=B4s just a market curiosity ....1 	>	 	>age 35.h 	> 	>13 years with VMS.   	Age 50.  D 	Experience with VMS since V2.0 (longer than I care to remember) and RSX and ; 	other good DEC/PDP stuff since dinosaurs roamed the earth.    	:-)9 	--------------------------------------------------------,8 	FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-8 	      from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.9 	-------------------------------------------------------- 6 	Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems 	Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc.s 	1 Discovery Place, Suite 2  	Martinsburg, WV. 25401t 	USA  $ 	Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235 	Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702d( 	Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com=20 	       jhjennis@shentel.net' 	WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/: =09    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 13:18:03 GMT& From: ksrobin@erenj.com (Ken Robinson)+ Subject: Re: This list participants profileA1 Message-ID: <8FBD59D7Eksrobinerenjcom@159.70.1.1>i  B fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in <OF8AF50520.400155E2-, ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>:  I >I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . .  >sC >Whats the average age of all people here ? I am asking it becauseh >everybody looks likeiF >experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a >veteran)... and innK >my job I am alone. Therere 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 30s)u >, 8 guys to managedG >the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers....i >e" >Its just a market curiosity .... >  >Fabio Cardoso >Analista de Suporte >  >    Age: 49tI I have been working with OpenVMS since Jan, 1980 (V2.0). In all my years  L being an OpenVMS System Manager, I've rarely worked as part of a team, it's  been mostly a one man show...n   Ken Robinson! OpenVMS System Manager Consultantm ksrobin@erenj.com (on site)T kenrbnsn@rbnsn.com (off site)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:25:00 +0200l5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> + Subject: Re: This list participants profile - Message-ID: <39D346AC.78533417@whitehouse.nl>g  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > =f  J > I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . = =2Ef > =a  F > What=B4s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because > everybody looks likeG > experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel ae > veteran)... and inJ > my job I am alone. There=B4re 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above=  30s)h > , 8 guys to manageH > the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers.... > =   % > It=B4s just a market curiosity ....g > =r   > Fabio Cardosot > Analista de Suportev   Age 40, 16 years VMS.S   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:37:11 -0700n, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile-5 Message-ID: <8qvhkn$envr5$1@ID-46415.news.cis.dfn.de>t  G I'll admit.  I'm 48 and been with VMS (with a 2 year trip into NT land)sG since 1980.  That was when the field engineer finished the install on a J brand new 11/780, patted me on the back and wished me luck.  I was it, oilE company regional office (San Francisco) with me as system manager and  learning as fast as I couldhK to keep up.  No previous VMS experience, a little FORTRAN experience.  Talk . about total immersion!  The best way to learn.   JimC   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:56:05 GMTC% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)"+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile/2 Message-ID: <39d33f5e.1896064286@news.newsguy.com>  6 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:11:13 -0500, "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:e  E >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message > K >> Let's hope that's a typo. You're 28 and have been working with VMS since I >> 1989. That means you started working on VMS 11 years ago when you wereh >> only 16 or 17 years old.a >> >> Adolescent prodigy? >oG >Most likely a timesharing terminal at a high school, or had some others> >access through a relative or a part time job.  Very possible. > 5 >I was using a DECsystem 10 back when I was that age.u  F I first used a DEC20 at 13 and had wheel privs (effectively setprv) at 16. Those were the days...       --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:00:11 GMTd% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)i+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilem2 Message-ID: <39d33ff4.1896214442@news.newsguy.com>  7 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:41:04 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"0$ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:    H >Well, yeah, that's true. We range in age from younger than you to olderE >than Andy Goldstein. My partner at Advocate (Tim Wright) was four or H >five years older than me (senior VMS guy - kernel hacker of sorts). YouE >and Dan Sugalski are the youngest VMSers I've met in recent history.e  D We had a VMS/MANMAN guy still working for us on a part-time contractD at 67. He was poached away by another local VMS/MANMAN multinationalC just a few hundred yards away after they offered him silly money to D delay retirement and  seup their new Alphaservers and sort out their MANMAN system.  ; He got into computing with the RAF and then worked for IBM.a   >  --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 14:17:34 GMT0 From: "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilec, Message-ID: <8qvjtu$mn0$1@news.enteract.com>  N On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:40:50 -0300, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:D > What?s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because > everybody looks likeG > experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a@
 > veteran)...G  E Age 51, using VMS since 1981.  First paying job in computers in 1967,e= programming in IITRAN on an IBM 360/40 (lots of nice blinking 	 lights!).    -- c& Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:17:25 -0400g. From: Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com>+ Subject: RE: This list participants profile 8 Message-ID: <000b01c02956$d3a9f0f0$2b96a8c6@mscmain.com>   AGE 45   sys mgr since age 20    4                         Honeywell 2020 system  4 yrs% 			then 	Honeywell L62 system   2 yrst1 			then  Datapoint		     2 yrs  (hell on earth!!)K. 			then  DEC PDP 11/44 RSTS/E   2 yrs  yeah!!!D 		 	then  VMS 3.7 Vax 750 !!!!!  16 years and counting!!!  Heaven !!   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2000 11:48:49 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilet+ Message-ID: <twTNSQu93FfZ@eisner.decus.org>-  L In article <OF8AF50520.400155E2-ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,- > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:i: > I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a > curiosity . . .4 > 9 > What's the average age of all people here ? I am asking67 > it because everybody looks like experiencied > 30 ...m= > I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a veteran)...k > and in my job I am alone.   ; > There are 8 guys to manage our Unix servers (above= 30s),   ) > 8 guys to manage the NT servers (20-24)r  < Do you mean they are 20-24, or you have 20 to 24 NT servers?  / > and only me to manage the OpenVMS servers....m  < Wow! You must have a few hundred OpenVMS servers if they can" dedicate a System Manager to them.  ; I think for most of us it is a part time job.  We really do  other things most of the time.  9 The VMS systems in many sites were purchased because they ( were just expected to run by themselves.  7 I have never been anywhere that the management expected 5 that someone would have to spend any significant time  managing OpenVMS systems.      -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:53:36 +0100 ( From: "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@compaq.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile * Message-ID: <8qvm1c$7t8@usenet.pa.dec.com>   Age: 47 going on 16 :-).   Been with VMS since early 1982.0H Before that IBM, ICL, CDC, Burroughs and lots more (who can remember the KDF-9 ?)   First programmed in 1969.B  L Ah VMS, OS of my dreams.  Only system to even come close was EMAS (Edinburgh Multi Access System).   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd., (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:56:55 -0000o- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) + Subject: Re: This list participants profile / Message-ID: <st6n1nbao8di06@news.supernews.com>m  B fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in <OF8AF50520.400155E2-, ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>:  I >I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . .  >nC >Whats the average age of all people here ? I am asking it becausei >everybody looks like F >experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a >veteran)... and inaK >my job I am alone. Therere 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 30s)  >, 8 guys to managemG >the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers....    Fabio,  K I'm interested in your numbers.  How many of each type of box do you have? .8 (I'm wondering about the manager-to-box ratio.)  Thanks.   ws   p.s. 39 & VMS since 1982   --   << Boycott Shampoo >>r << Demand REAL POO >>?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:26:10 +0100r- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>m+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilet) Message-ID: <39D36312.F5B67F8B@bbc.co.uk>h  ; 38, VMS since 1983, only 6 months without VMS in that time,nH , might have better career prospects if I'd stuck with NT and unix, then! again I might be mad by now also.e    -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of- MedAS or the BBC.a   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:45:29 -0500 (EST)R1 From: "Robert J. Slover" <slover@Rose-Hulman.Edu>8+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilenW Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000928093316.26812Y-100000@rocinante.admin.rose-hulman.edu>S  = I'm 31, been using VMS since September 1987.  Been a SysAdminn? for 5 years.  Two clusters...a 13 node VAX cluster and a 2-nodee@ Alpha cluster.  I have 3 Vaxes and 1 Alpha at home, running VMS.< There isn't too much consulting to be had around here.  The > local courthouse has a VMS system running, been there forever,< no UPS.  I've been called in once...I set up TCP/IP on it so< they could get to it with Reflection on PC's, and so that NT? could print to the VAX's LG01 line printer.  Other than that, Io? know it has been running nonstop (except for power outages) fore> 3 years since I last looked at it.  I don't think anybody else< ever did anything with it since it was put in place over 10  years ago...  ' On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Chuck Chopp wrote:o   > Jordan Henderson wrote:  >  > >.D > > Yes, one friend that OpenVMS does _not_ have are empire buildingF > > IT managers who think their status depends on how many people they > > have working for them. > >S > } > I'm 31 and I've been working with VAX/VMS and OpenVMS since 1-JUN-1987.  Ingrained enough that for a long time I even wrote-6 > the date on personal checks in VMS date-time format. > y > I agree with the statement about how few system administrators are needed.  One of my client's data center has 30+ Unixny > systems managed by 6 people, 90+ NT servers managed by about 20 people and 30+ OpenVMS systems managed part time by one. > person.  Before I went into consulting, I had a nice cluster with 8 nodes plus several standalone systems and they all hummed ~ > along flawlessly for the 5 years that I was responsible for them.  That was back in the days when I could go on vacation for~ > a week and *KNOW* that those systems would keep on running w/o any problems the whole time I was off work.  Any sufficiently~ > sophisticated DCL script can effectively run your system for you in your absence.  These days, you cannot so much as take an} > afternoon off to experience the comparative pleasure of a root canal w/o being paged by somebody who is upset that their NT , > server flipped them off with the ol' BSOD. >  >  > --
 > Chuck Choppo > : > ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com2 >                                   ICQ # 22321532B > RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail4 > 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax6 > Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerE >                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.comr >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:31:29 GMTa From: jnchambless@my-deja.com + Subject: Re: This list participants profile-) Message-ID: <8qvo8h$6ht$1@nnrp1.deja.com>0  	 Children!0  D I'm 56.  Been working with VMS for 9 years with 5 years RSTS/E ( PDPG 11/70 ) before that.  Nice to see the "younger" generation is alive and  well in VMS land!   / In article <st6n1nbao8di06@news.supernews.com>,.0   wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote:D > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in <OF8AF50520.400155E2-. > ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>: >i; > >I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have aa curiosity . . .  > >bE > >Whats the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because9 > >everybody looks like.H > >experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a > >veteran)... and in A > >my job I am alone. Therere 8 guys to manager our Unix serverss (above 30s)  > >, 8 guys to manageo= > >the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS- servers....- >- > Fabio, >hF > I'm interested in your numbers.  How many of each type of box do you have?:: > (I'm wondering about the manager-to-box ratio.)  Thanks. >8 > ws >u > p.s. 39 & VMS since 1982 >_ > -- > << Boycott Shampoo >>_ > << Demand REAL POO >>_ >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:38:50 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>a+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilen/ Message-ID: <st6pg793fi36c9@corp.supernews.com>2  F I never admit to being over the age of 13 (my father spent a long timeC at the age of 29 and when he retired from work he jumped from 29 to.F 31, since my father was so young my oldest sister was never allowed toF get beyond "almost 16," the next stayed at "nearly 16," then "close toF 16" and I forget the rest but being the youngest of 6 kids I stayed at 13).  D When my VMS Light Ball arrived the other day my wife said I was only 10.     My first VMS box was 9-JUL-1984.   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2000 12:40:05 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile_+ Message-ID: <4vz4iMh0$7sB@eisner.decus.org>-  7 In article <39D36312.F5B67F8B@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn ! <tim.llewellyn#bbc.co.uk> writes:c > = > 38, VMS since 1983, only 6 months without VMS in that time,18 > , might have better career prospects if I'd stuck with5 > NT and unix, then again I might be mad by now also.   ; Of course the reasoning behind many places deploying NT ande9 UNIX is because of the quantity of people available, they  can pay lower wages for them..   -Johnn wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:51:39 -0400a4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>+ Subject: RE: This list participants profilebJ Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8505668452@nts0147.beehive.com>  0 VMS Sys Admin since 1990, pretty much constantly8 Unix (mostly DUnix) Sys Admin since 1993 also constantly$ NT Sys Admin since 1994 (on and off)   imho:.E 	NT boxes needed babysitting and rebooting every 2-4 days, Unix boxesu< every 1 - 2 months, and VMS boxes every other year or so :-)  F Yes, VMS 4.7-> 5.5-2 Vaxclustering in late 80's, early 90's were great	 times....>   oh, turned 34 this week.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:00:22 -0300o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brD+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile L Message-ID: <OFF0ECDD63.B4D20E26-ON83256968.005CCE12@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  	 Hi Warrenf  F I manage two 4100 5/600 with 4 processors each (4 GB and 6 GB of RAM).+ About 200 GB in disk  (StorageWorks) but we-H will migrate to EMC. About 2500 users in my system, but 500 running sam= eS time (250/250).S  H I hope next year the company will buy a GS80 to subst. these two machin= es.U  E I work at Compaq (Brazil) - Customer Services - in an oil exploration  company (Petrobras)v  F We have more than one hundred VMS / OpenVMS machines (from MicroVax to small Alphas) inH the oil platforms as real time stations to industrial automation but I = dont manage them. I remeber= last year we upgraded a MicroVax with 2 years without reboot.-   RegardsD  
 Fabio Cardoso@              > wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) em 28/09/2000 11:56:55H                                                                        =     =20fH                                                                        =     =20oH                                                                        =     =20I    @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: This list participants profile                 =20@                                                              =20           =     B fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in <OF8AF50520.400155E2-, ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>:  H >I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . .=  . > E >What=B4s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because  >everybody looks likeeF >experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a >veteran)... and in H >my job I am alone. There=B4re 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (abov= e 30s) >, 8 guys to manage H >the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers....=     Fabio,  H I'm interested in your numbers.  How many of each type of box do you ha= ve?s8 (I'm wondering about the manager-to-box ratio.)  Thanks.   ws   p.s. 39 & VMS since 1982   -- << Boycott Shampoo >>- << Demand REAL POO >>-       =    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:50:31 +0200o8 From: "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kesu@xs4all.be>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilet* Message-ID: <8qvsul$mr9$1@news1.xs4all.nl>   Hi,   : Age 43. Experience with OpenVMS since 1986 (VAX/VMS V4.4).  	 Greetingsi   -- Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)0& VMS Wizard in training, Guru wanna be!  # In a world without walls and fencesf who needs windows and gates?   OpenVMS is today what Microsofta wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!   Jim Jennis wrote in messaget; <3.0.5.32.20000928080533.009ebc90@discovery.fuentez.com>...e' At 12:53 PM 9/28/2000 +0200, you wrote:-+ >fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote::E >> Whats the average age of all people here ? I am asking it becausei >> everybody looks like H >> experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a >> veteran)... and in.H >> my job I am alone. Therere 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 30s) >> , 8 guys to managesI >> the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers....M >>$ >> Its just a market curiosity .... >k >age 35. >  >13 years with VMS.r   Age 50.   K Experience with VMS since V2.0 (longer than I care to remember) and RSX andg: other good DEC/PDP stuff since dinosaurs roamed the earth.   :-)e8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-s7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems1 Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 2354 Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702$ Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com        jhjennis@shentel.netm& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:19:14 -0600l$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile ) Message-ID: <39D37D92.27006040@cha.ab.ca>Y  M Started on VAX780 around 1980 at VMS 1.x (I can't recall exact version).  Ageh %x31+.D Currently administering four Alpha's and three VAX's in a production environment withJ the assistance of one full-time analyst and another analyst who spends the
 required timemL to reclaim all our RMS files.  After reading of the high ratios of other VMS	 managers,A& I consider myself extremely fortunate.    * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  J > I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . . >rD > Whats the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because > everybody looks likeG > experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a: > veteran)... and inL > my job I am alone. Therere 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 30s) > , 8 guys to manageH > the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers.... >i# > Its just a market curiosity ....  >g > Fabio Cardosoi > Analista de Suporte    -- Leeu  B Lee Y T Mah                               Capital Health Authority? Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSCcE                                                     10240 Kingsway NW M                                                     Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9p   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:48:49 -0000o- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) + Subject: Re: This list participants profiles/ Message-ID: <st71411tbk0b37@news.supernews.com>   , fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote inB <OFF0ECDD63.B4D20E26-ON83256968.005CCE12@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>:   
 >Hi Warren > G >I manage two 4100 5/600 with 4 processors each (4 GB and 6 GB of RAM).S, >About 200 GB in disk  (StorageWorks) but weI >will migrate to EMC. About 2500 users in my system, but 500 running same  >time (250/250). >3A >I hope next year the company will buy a GS80 to subst. these two7 >machines. b >eF >I work at Compaq (Brazil) - Customer Services - in an oil exploration >company (Petrobras) >oG >We have more than one hundred VMS / OpenVMS machines (from MicroVax toa >small Alphas) inrG >the oil platforms as real time stations to industrial automation but Im >dont manage them. I remeber> >last year we upgraded a MicroVax with 2 years without reboot. >  >Regards >  >Fabio Cardoso >U >  >v >  >o >  >)? >wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) em 28/09/2000 11:56:55hI >                                                                        hI >                                                                        iI >                                                                         ) >                                        h >s >s? >                                                              c? >                                                              v? >                                                              d? > Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                                ? >                                                              -? > cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   y? >                                                               ? >                                                               ? >                                                              D? > Assunto: Re: This list participants profile                  s? >                                                              o >e >o >c >e >s >A >Fabio,r > E >I'm interested in your numbers.  How many of each type of box do yous? >have? (I'm wondering about the manager-to-box ratio.)  Thanks.  >e >ws, >    fabio,  K I asked the wrong question - sorry.  I'm interested in knowing how many NT iH boxes your company has, vrs. how many NT administrators;  how many unix 2 boxes, vrs. how many unix administrators.  Thanks,   ws   -- 4 << Boycott Shampoo >>6 << Demand REAL POO >>o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:23:41 +0200t- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>o9 Subject: Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!) 3 Message-ID: <39D32A3D.5D9FE30F@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>e   Richard B. Gilbert wrote:. >  > L >         VMS has been my O/S of choice for the last sixteen years.  I wouldI > not pay a nickle for UNDELETE.  Others will doubtless feel differently.    Fortunately it is free for VMS  (See DFU on the freware CD)             Jouk -- e  > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esse   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansen- 		 -   joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl   E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd F   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     dd G   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     ddxF   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:37:46 +0100r8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>9 Subject: RE: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)"L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111EF0@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  ) >Message text written by John Macallister0K > >Most people have become accustomed to having an UNDELETE feature and VMSb > must3 > provide it if it's to have a longer term future.<   J >        And some of us have become accustomed to not having an UNDELETE. 4 > We take precautions against losing anything vital.  G Anyone who claims never to have accidentally deleted/lost some files is I being economical with the truth. We all take precautions but accidents dooK occur. Unintended deletion may certainly be less frequent for professionalsoK but I believe most would appreciate an UNDELETE command. It would certainlynK avoid many restore operations for inexperienced users, assuming you perform . regular backups and permit selective restores.  L Perhaps you also have no need for the /RECOVER qualifier in the EDIT command9 as you'll take precautions against losing anything vital?   > None of us is perfect. That's why we need UNDELETE facilities.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:44:26 GMT./ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>s9 Subject: Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)eF Message-ID: <K2HA5.9683$tl2.693463@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  I Yeah, but isn't the great wish of us VMS bigots to attract more VMS userssH away from other OSes so that VMS will live long and prosper?  Or are youI just content to support the curent users until we all die of old age.  Wee% are all getting pretty close already.m  J And even if YOU never accidentally deleted a file, how about users on yourD system.   Barely a week goes by when one of our programmers does notL accidentally delete something he had been working on all day.  Or one of ourJ software maintenance people do not accidentally delete some file or other.H Then the system manager has to restore the file.  Even with an automatedI tape silo, this is still a pain in the neck.  And then, any changes sincevL the last backup have to be re-created, and the users gets pissed at both the system manager and at VMS!  L And we did try the Undelete facility in DFU a couple of times, but since VMSI uses the Last Block made available for the next allocation, it is usuallyuD fruitless.  Since this is not a "single user" machine, and we cannotH tolerate CTRL-ALT-DEL solutions (in this case immediatedly dismounting a production disk).o  L If somebody says "yeah, good idea but not worth the develoment effort" fine,L but for someone such as yourself to say it is a silly idea because you neverI make mistakes,  well  I think you must have inhaled in the past!  And for F those that say it is not worth the development effort,  I respectfullyK disagree.  I do not think they spent much time analyzing the pros and cons.i! I think they made a gut reaction.a    = "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote in messagec0 news:200009272351_MC2-B4E7-F08@compuserve.com...( Message text written by John MacallisterI >Most people have become accustomed to having an UNDELETE feature and VMSr must2  provide it if it's to have a longer term future.<  H         And some of us have become accustomed to not having an UNDELETE.2 We take precautions against losing anything vital.  J         Undelete is simple in a single user environment, like a PC.  It isG far less simple in a busy multi-user environment.  It can be done but IgH think it will be difficult, expensive, and probably not be bullet proof!  J         VMS has been my O/S of choice for the last sixteen years.  I wouldG not pay a nickle for UNDELETE.  Others will doubtless feel differently.r   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 13:31:27 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)D9 Subject: Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)j0 Message-ID: <8qvh7f$pv7$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  x In article <K2HA5.9683$tl2.693463@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:K >And even if YOU never accidentally deleted a file, how about users on youreE >system.   Barely a week goes by when one of our programmers does nottM >accidentally delete something he had been working on all day.  Or one of ourfK >software maintenance people do not accidentally delete some file or other.1I >Then the system manager has to restore the file.  Even with an automatedsJ >tape silo, this is still a pain in the neck.  And then, any changes sinceM >the last backup have to be re-created, and the users gets pissed at both the9 >system manager and at VMS!- >-M >And we did try the Undelete facility in DFU a couple of times, but since VMS J >uses the Last Block made available for the next allocation, it is usuallyE >fruitless.  Since this is not a "single user" machine, and we cannot.I >tolerate CTRL-ALT-DEL solutions (in this case immediatedly dismounting ai >production disk). > M >If somebody says "yeah, good idea but not worth the develoment effort" fine, M >but for someone such as yourself to say it is a silly idea because you nevereJ >make mistakes,  well  I think you must have inhaled in the past!  And forG >those that say it is not worth the development effort,  I respectfullybL >disagree.  I do not think they spent much time analyzing the pros and cons." >I think they made a gut reaction. >      Have I missed something here ?G Isn't the UNDELETE facility that you are asking for already provided by0N Glenn Everhart's SAFETY product as he has pointed out on a number of occasions in this thread.x   From the safety SPD :-  J           2. A deletion protection system provides a way to undelete filesF           which were deleted by mistake and to optionally copy deletedI           files to backup facilities before removal. Unlike all other VMS>H           "undelete" programs on the market, this facility does not relyA           on finding the disk storage that contained the file andhH           reclaiming it before it is overwritten. Rather, it changes theD           semantics of the file system delete to use a "wastebasket"D                                                         ============F           system and captures the file intact. Thus, this system works!           reliably. No others do.k           .i           .            .0,           The Safety protection features areC           fully integrated with the DPS subsystem, so that deletion ?           protection does not involve destroying file security.t  E           3.  When space runs out, hasty decisions about what to keepoH           online often must be made, and the risk of accidentally losingA           something important is high.   Safety protects you fromiI           running out of space. Space can be monitored and older items inwG           the wastebasket deleted if it is becoming low, without manual            intervention.a    > What precisely are you looking for that this doesn't provide ?    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:03:17 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> 9 Subject: Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!) F Message-ID: <V4JA5.7168$s76.495256@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  D With much appreciation for Glen's efforts, and with much respect forI Safety,  Safety is not free (without cheating Glen, which I would not do, . and as many others are probably already doing)   snip (from Safety README.TXT) ? "... must pay a charge of $499 per Alpha CPU, $299 per VAX CPU, E to Glenn Everhart, 18 Colburn Ln, Hollis, NH 03049. They will then be J entitled to limited email support and to receive a version which will emit= fewer messages. Full support requires separate negotiations."  end snip  G We have a LOT of CPUs;  Even if you count a VAX 7860 (six CPUs) as one!   I Also,  Our company requires justification for each expenditure, includingsI a synopsis of the viability of every new vendor.  That alone makes it not.$ worth while for me to pursue Safety.  E Also, what I want, and what I stated several times is for UNDELETE torF be a native part of VMS, supported by the best engineers in the world,4 and not requiring separate testing for each upgrade.  I I know I am coming off sounding stubborn, cheap, lazy, ungrageful  etc...8 but I this thread was merely meant to make a suggestion, express an opinion andeG to see if there were  any other people that thought UNDELETE would be a,! good idea to  incorporate in VMS.     4 "D.Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message* news:8qvh7f$pv7$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk... >   > Have I missed something here ?I > Isn't the UNDELETE facility that you are asking for already provided by-F > Glenn Everhart's SAFETY product as he has pointed out on a number of	 occasionsi > in this thread.  >s > From the safety SPD :- >iL >           2. A deletion protection system provides a way to undelete filesH >           which were deleted by mistake and to optionally copy deletedK >           files to backup facilities before removal. Unlike all other VMSnJ >           "undelete" programs on the market, this facility does not relyC >           on finding the disk storage that contained the file and J >           reclaiming it before it is overwritten. Rather, it changes theF >           semantics of the file system delete to use a "wastebasket"F >                                                         ============H >           system and captures the file intact. Thus, this system works# >           reliably. No others do.n
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 >           ..
 >           .m. >           The Safety protection features areE >           fully integrated with the DPS subsystem, so that deletion2A >           protection does not involve destroying file security.  >tG >           3.  When space runs out, hasty decisions about what to keep0J >           online often must be made, and the risk of accidentally losingC >           something important is high.   Safety protects you from K >           running out of space. Space can be monitored and older items ingI >           the wastebasket deleted if it is becoming low, without manual  >           intervention.- >- >-@ > What precisely are you looking for that this doesn't provide ? >  >e > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >c   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:37:23 GMTt/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>s9 Subject: Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)hF Message-ID: <TAJA5.9852$tl2.701515@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  = I hope I didn't insult Glen in my previous post when I wantedh> UNDELETE to be supported by the "best engineers in the world".? I was just pointing out that as a group, the VMS engineers have8$ turned out the best OS in the world.  A And without trying to "Undelete" a dead horse,  We already have aV< third party BACKUP command that requires its own maintenance? such as testing with VMS version upgrades, de-installing duringm- certain application linking procedures etc...g  ? I would also like to have a DIR command that will sort by date,r  = and an ACCOUNTNG command that will do regression analysis (ie ? first do a scan for a specific image name, and then do a secondo= scan looking for any image activation by the same process ID) ? Example,  I would like to find every process that ran something 9 calle JOHN.EXE and then find every other image that thosee process IDs  executed.  B and I would like to have a search command that will ... and a sort command that will ... etc..T  C But I dont' want to get in to the business of implementing freeware B or third party products for each command for which I would like an? additional feature.  I would like to see VMS become even better  than it already is.t    : "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message@ news:V4JA5.7168$s76.495256@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...F > With much appreciation for Glen's efforts, and with much respect forK > Safety,  Safety is not free (without cheating Glen, which I would not do, 0 > and as many others are probably already doing) >a > snip (from Safety README.TXT) A > "... must pay a charge of $499 per Alpha CPU, $299 per VAX CPU,eG > to Glenn Everhart, 18 Colburn Ln, Hollis, NH 03049. They will then be2L > entitled to limited email support and to receive a version which will emit? > fewer messages. Full support requires separate negotiations." 
 > end snip >nI > We have a LOT of CPUs;  Even if you count a VAX 7860 (six CPUs) as one!s >eK > Also,  Our company requires justification for each expenditure, including K > a synopsis of the viability of every new vendor.  That alone makes it nota& > worth while for me to pursue Safety. >aG > Also, what I want, and what I stated several times is for UNDELETE toVH > be a native part of VMS, supported by the best engineers in the world,6 > and not requiring separate testing for each upgrade. >aK > I know I am coming off sounding stubborn, cheap, lazy, ungrageful  etc...r > but K > this thread was merely meant to make a suggestion, express an opinion andsI > to see if there were  any other people that thought UNDELETE would be a # > good idea to  incorporate in VMS.  >  > 6 > "D.Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message, > news:8qvh7f$pv7$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk... > > " > > Have I missed something here ?K > > Isn't the UNDELETE facility that you are asking for already provided by H > > Glenn Everhart's SAFETY product as he has pointed out on a number of > occasions  > > in this thread.  > >v > > From the safety SPD :- > > H > >           2. A deletion protection system provides a way to undelete files J > >           which were deleted by mistake and to optionally copy deletedI > >           files to backup facilities before removal. Unlike all other  VMS L > >           "undelete" programs on the market, this facility does not relyE > >           on finding the disk storage that contained the file and L > >           reclaiming it before it is overwritten. Rather, it changes theH > >           semantics of the file system delete to use a "wastebasket"H > >                                                         ============J > >           system and captures the file intact. Thus, this system works% > >           reliably. No others do.n > >           .  > >           .s > >           .s0 > >           The Safety protection features areG > >           fully integrated with the DPS subsystem, so that deletionuC > >           protection does not involve destroying file security.4 > >BI > >           3.  When space runs out, hasty decisions about what to keep-L > >           online often must be made, and the risk of accidentally losingE > >           something important is high.   Safety protects you from J > >           running out of space. Space can be monitored and older items inK > >           the wastebasket deleted if it is becoming low, without manuala > >           intervention.k > >r > >LB > > What precisely are you looking for that this doesn't provide ? > >f > >S > > David Webb > > VMS and Unix team leader > > CCSS > > Middlesex University > >n >  >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:30:36 -0400-; From: "Everhart, Glenn (FUSA)" <GlennEverhart@FirstUSA.com>J9 Subject: RE: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)UN Message-ID: <4B279CF3578CD211B945009027178017046CFFCD@swilnts809.wil.fusa.com>  ; I wish the rest of the language, or my statement today thatw8 Safety is free (though support from me is not), had been repeated here. Glenn Everhart Everhart@gce.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: John Nixon [mailto:jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net]+ Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 11:37 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 Subject: Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)-    = I hope I didn't insult Glen in my previous post when I wanted > UNDELETE to be supported by the "best engineers in the world".? I was just pointing out that as a group, the VMS engineers have $ turned out the best OS in the world.  A And without trying to "Undelete" a dead horse,  We already have a < third party BACKUP command that requires its own maintenance? such as testing with VMS version upgrades, de-installing duringu- certain application linking procedures etc...f  ? I would also like to have a DIR command that will sort by date,a  = and an ACCOUNTNG command that will do regression analysis (ie ? first do a scan for a specific image name, and then do a seconds= scan looking for any image activation by the same process ID)p? Example,  I would like to find every process that ran somethinga9 calle JOHN.EXE and then find every other image that thoset process IDs  executed.  B and I would like to have a search command that will ... and a sort command that will ... etc..   C But I dont' want to get in to the business of implementing freeware B or third party products for each command for which I would like an? additional feature.  I would like to see VMS become even bettero than it already is.T    : "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message@ news:V4JA5.7168$s76.495256@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...F > With much appreciation for Glen's efforts, and with much respect forK > Safety,  Safety is not free (without cheating Glen, which I would not do,-0 > and as many others are probably already doing) >  > snip (from Safety README.TXT)lA > "... must pay a charge of $499 per Alpha CPU, $299 per VAX CPU,tG > to Glenn Everhart, 18 Colburn Ln, Hollis, NH 03049. They will then be.L > entitled to limited email support and to receive a version which will emit? > fewer messages. Full support requires separate negotiations."?
 > end snip >uI > We have a LOT of CPUs;  Even if you count a VAX 7860 (six CPUs) as one!r >lK > Also,  Our company requires justification for each expenditure, includingdK > a synopsis of the viability of every new vendor.  That alone makes it not & > worth while for me to pursue Safety. >tG > Also, what I want, and what I stated several times is for UNDELETE totH > be a native part of VMS, supported by the best engineers in the world,6 > and not requiring separate testing for each upgrade. >dK > I know I am coming off sounding stubborn, cheap, lazy, ungrageful  etc...  > buttK > this thread was merely meant to make a suggestion, express an opinion andmI > to see if there were  any other people that thought UNDELETE would be ao# > good idea to  incorporate in VMS.  >c >a6 > "D.Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message, > news:8qvh7f$pv7$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk... > >," > > Have I missed something here ?K > > Isn't the UNDELETE facility that you are asking for already provided byfH > > Glenn Everhart's SAFETY product as he has pointed out on a number of > occasionse > > in this thread.t > >  > > From the safety SPD :- > >vH > >           2. A deletion protection system provides a way to undelete fileshJ > >           which were deleted by mistake and to optionally copy deletedI > >           files to backup facilities before removal. Unlike all otherh VMShL > >           "undelete" programs on the market, this facility does not relyE > >           on finding the disk storage that contained the file andgL > >           reclaiming it before it is overwritten. Rather, it changes theH > >           semantics of the file system delete to use a "wastebasket"H > >                                                         ============J > >           system and captures the file intact. Thus, this system works% > >           reliably. No others do.e > >           .k > >           .a > >           .a0 > >           The Safety protection features areG > >           fully integrated with the DPS subsystem, so that deletionoC > >           protection does not involve destroying file security.s > >wI > >           3.  When space runs out, hasty decisions about what to keepyL > >           online often must be made, and the risk of accidentally losingE > >           something important is high.   Safety protects you fromsJ > >           running out of space. Space can be monitored and older items inK > >           the wastebasket deleted if it is becoming low, without manualn > >           intervention.> > >e > >AB > > What precisely are you looking for that this doesn't provide ? > >e > >s > > David Webb > > VMS and Unix team leader > > CCSS > > Middlesex University > >e >m >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:50:31 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>   Subject: Re: User Authentication) Message-ID: <39D32277.331C7BBC@gtech.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:F > Is there any freely available package that would allow a VAX runningE > VMS to authenticate users against an NIS server??  I am starting toSG > see interest in using the VAX here int he department for student workuF > but at this point it is a standalone machine requiring separate userG > administration.  This is seen as a serious shortcoming and has in the E > past discouraged use of this resource.  It is possible that at someeG > point in the future roles could be reversed with VMS providing all of E > the authentication for all of our machines, but the current reality H > does not allow that.  Is there a solution??  Something ont he Freeware, > CD or available from Multinet's archives??  9 You can authenticate a VMS system against a NT/LM domain.   < I do not know any software to authenticate against Unix NIS.  B There are hooks in VMS to implement it, but I have no idea whether' NIS are difficult or easy to implement.e   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:37:17 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS? ( Message-ID: <39D31F5D.BDEA039@gtech.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:+ > In article <39CF798E.990A9604@gtech.com>,kB >  Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes: > |>M > |> The sad fact are that much of the free software being developed on Unix:,7 > |>   - includes non-standard OS-specific header-filess, > |>   - uses non-standard OS-specific calls8 > |>   - relies on various OS-specific semantic features >  > Two questions./ > 1) non-standard according to who's standard??b    ANSI, ISO, POSIX, XPG etc.etc. !  B > 2) if I am writing code to run on a Unix machine and portability= >    to other non-compatable OSes was not part of my original > >    specification, why should I not us OS specific features??  
 No reason.  B But if you look at the subject line, then either the specs did not+ say so or the specs turned out to be wrong.n  C Generally I think it is wise to code with portability in mind, evene thoughG there may not be a need for porting in the near future. Just someday itd may beF necesarry to port. To get optimal performance it is often necesarry to uset> OS specific features, but they shoudl be properly isolated and
 encapsulated.d   Arne   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.543 ************************