1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 29 Sep 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 544       Contents:! Re: !URGENT! Seeking David Cathey % 40/80GB density selection on DLT8000? ) Re: 40/80GB density selection on DLT8000? / AlphaServer 1000A memory test from SRM console? < Re: Bug in UCX 5.0A telnet server: infinite IAC negotiations CA7? Re: CA7? Re: CA7? Re: CA7?3 Re: Can anyone share some sample code for X.25 qio?  CDROM and Emulex UC07  Re: CDROM and Emulex UC07 " Re: Cluster and changing diskclass" Re: Cluster and changing diskclass DCPS 1.8 and HP 2100TN Re: DEC - Microvax 2000  Re: DEC - Microvax 2000  Re: DEC - Microvax 2000  Re: DEC - Microvax 2000  Re: DEC Rescue ? Re: DEC Rescue ? Default gateway in VMS Re: Default gateway in VMS Re: Default gateway in VMS Re: Default gateway in VMS Re: ECO mailing list* Re: Fixed length 17 byte record data & RMS1 Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales 1 Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales $ IO$M_NOW and IO$M_NORSWAIT + Sockets3 Re: Memo:  Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory  Re: MIN_LRPCOUNT, etc. Re: MIN_LRPCOUNT, etc.B Musical Chairmen in Houston... Rosen Steps Down, Capellas Steps UpF Re: Musical Chairmen in Houston... Rosen Steps Down, Capellas Steps Up Re: NJ--VAX/VMS Operators  Re: NTP with UCX 4.2( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ? opendir/readdir VAXC? # Re: OT:  More MSFT on US Navy ships # Re: OT:  More MSFT on US Navy ships ' Re: OVMS & Rdb onto Intranet / Internet  Re: PCA questions  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: Privileges needed for PHONE  Re: Privileges needed for PHONE  Re: Privileges needed for PHONE 3 Re: Questions about LN20 and no answer from Genicom 
 Safety SPD Re: Safety SPD Re: Scsi Drivers. & Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo& RE: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo Re: Suggested VMS new feature! Re: Teaming gigabit nic's - Re: Terminal driver: clear typeahead buffer ? " Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" RE: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" RE: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile Trouble using VMSTPCE 0 RE: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)0 Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)# VAXStation 4000/90 hardware failure ' Re: VAXStation 4000/90 hardware failure  VEST - Where can I find it Re: VEST - Where can I find it Re: VEST - Where can I find it, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:00:23 -0500 1 From: Jeff Schreiber <SCHREIBER@Eisner.DECUS.org> * Subject: Re: !URGENT! Seeking David Cathey1 Message-ID: <01JUPEYQD1UQ007RWJ@Eisner.DECUS.org>   C On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, John Wisniewski <wisniewski@ticnet.com> wrote:  > $ >do not taunt the happy fun ball....  ?   I would prefer you claim "do not taunt the happy fun pickle"!    						-Jeff    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:08:59 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>. Subject: 40/80GB density selection on DLT8000?' Message-ID: <G1MGEz.404@spcuna.spc.edu>   G   I just received a new external DLT8000 drive (Compaq 146197-B21). The L QuickSpecs page for this (at ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/storageworks/K tape-and-optical-storage/10658-01.pdf) says it's supported under "Open VMS" = (sic) 7.1 and later, "Supported under embedded applications".   K   It seems to be working (on my DS10 w/ VMS 7.2-1) except there's no way to L specify the 40/80 density on the INIT command. I can specify it on the frontK panel of the drive, and I can specify all the lower densities from the INIT  command.     Any ideas?  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:01:56 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 2 Subject: Re: 40/80GB density selection on DLT8000?- Message-ID: <39D3F814.C19BF21B@earthlink.net>    Terry Kennedy wrote: > I >   I just received a new external DLT8000 drive (Compaq 146197-B21). The N > QuickSpecs page for this (at ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/storageworks/M > tape-and-optical-storage/10658-01.pdf) says it's supported under "Open VMS" ? > (sic) 7.1 and later, "Supported under embedded applications".  > M >   It seems to be working (on my DS10 w/ VMS 7.2-1) except there's no way to N > specify the 40/80 density on the INIT command. I can specify it on the frontM > panel of the drive, and I can specify all the lower densities from the INIT 
 > command. >  >   Any ideas?  < These guys are too new to have that level of support in VMS.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:40:03 -0400  From: dmarchl@attglobal.net 8 Subject: AlphaServer 1000A memory test from SRM console?- Message-ID: <39D41D23.684D1A20@attglobal.net>   G I am having trouble with my AlphaServer 1000A and was trying to run the C >>>TEST command at the SRM console prompt.  I have 512 MB of memory H installed.  The thing sat at the TESTING MEMORY stage for an hour beforeF I aborted and went home.  The disk access lights kept flashing approx.H every 30 seconds so it looked like it was working all that time.  ShouldH the memory test take so long to complete?  (I believe the firmware is at% version 5.4 if I remember correctly.)    Don Marchlenski # The Ohio State University at Newark    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 21:49:50 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)E Subject: Re: Bug in UCX 5.0A telnet server: infinite IAC negotiations 6 Message-ID: <8r0edu$ehj$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  u In article <8qvqke$i81s$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu>, "Russell E. Owen" <owen@astroNOJNK.washington.edu.invalid> writes: I :We have a license for software and upgrades but no license for software  E :maintenance so Compaq won't take bug reports from us. What a policy.   +   That does appear, um, counter-productive.    D :Anybody know if Compaq has heard of this? Is there a patch? Is one I :likely? If it weren't for this bug and for ftp between two VMS machines  . :mysteriously reblocking files, we'd be happy.  =   News to me.  I have passed the report along to the IP team.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:12:56 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>
 Subject: CA7? * Message-ID: <39D3A649.A0D6A616@Easynet.fr>  E I'm supposed to teach the "CA7 OpenVMS operations management utility" 
 next week.  / ?   (this is a "?", not a dialup line noise :-)   E Ages ago, I remember a DEC product suite called Polycenter, with many G utilities. Most of them have been sold to Computer Associate and became E part of the Unicenter TNG offer. Today, OpenVMS Polycenter is, as you $ may know, the new name of VMSINSTAL.  C I asked some (good) friends at COMPAQ, none know about CA7/OpenVMS. C So I went to CA and I have been told that there is a CA7 operations  management tool for... MVS.   3 Does this story ring a bell to someone around here?    Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 22:11:40 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: CA7? 6 Message-ID: <8r0fms$eo3$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <39D3A649.A0D6A616@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes: F :Ages ago, I remember a DEC product suite called Polycenter, with manyH :utilities. Most of them have been sold to Computer Associate and became" :part of the Unicenter TNG offer.   
   Correct.  J :Today, OpenVMS Polycenter is, as you may know, the new name of VMSINSTAL.    2   The POLYCENTER Software Installation utility is:  H     o not part of the suite of POLYCENTER products that are now at CA.    I     o supported by OpenVMS Engineering, and is seeing active development.   %     o quite different from VMSINSTAL.     D :I asked some (good) friends at COMPAQ, none know about CA7/OpenVMS.D :So I went to CA and I have been told that there is a CA7 operations :management tool for... MVS.  D   AFAIK, CA7 is available for various platforms.  Including OpenVMS.A   In at least some of the older versions, CA7 had some (invalid)  H   assumptions around the range of OpenVMS queue entry numbers permitted.D   OpenVMS had assumed this was an opaque longword, and CA7 didn't...  4 :Does this story ring a bell to someone around here?  D   Engineering has recently been discussing the confusion around the A   (confusing) use of the POLYCENTER term in the OpenVMS software  <   installation tool, as well as the use of the PCSI acronym.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:04:38 GMT . From: "Curtis Rempel" <curtis.rempel@home.com> Subject: Re: CA7? : Message-ID: <q0RA5.14181$P5.355572@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>  = "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> wrote in message $ news:39D3A649.A0D6A616@Easynet.fr...G > I'm supposed to teach the "CA7 OpenVMS operations management utility"  > next week. > 1 > ?   (this is a "?", not a dialup line noise :-)  > G > Ages ago, I remember a DEC product suite called Polycenter, with many I > utilities. Most of them have been sold to Computer Associate and became G > part of the Unicenter TNG offer. Today, OpenVMS Polycenter is, as you & > may know, the new name of VMSINSTAL. > E > I asked some (good) friends at COMPAQ, none know about CA7/OpenVMS. E > So I went to CA and I have been told that there is a CA7 operations  > management tool for... MVS.  >    That sounds like CA alright.  5 > Does this story ring a bell to someone around here?   " Nobody around CA, that's for sure.   The following is from 8 http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?id=38ac0f1b-07862fc0  $ CA Acquires Itself In Freak Accident  J After a long series of arduous and confusing negotiations, it was revealedG by the SEC that Computer Associates (NYSE:CA) had accidentally acquired I itself on Monday. "This has never happened before," said Bentley McDowell L III, a spokesman for the Securities and Exchange Commission. "The only thingJ that I can recall that was as bizarre as this is when Howard Hughes bought< out a company with the money in the company's own treasury."  J Charles Wang, CEO of CA, when informed of the situation, was reportedly soK enraged that he immediately fired everyone, including himself. A CA company E spokesman, on condition of anonymity, explained "Charlie always fires J everybody after an acquistiion. Only this is the first time he ever had to fire himself."  L When news of the acquisition became public, CA's stock immmediately plunged,G while at the same time it went up. Wall Street brokerage houses were in L turmoil over the news. "I'm advising my clients to buy, sell and hold," saidI Harvey Muntz of Merrill Lynch. "You can't really go wrong that way. Plus,  it's great for commissions."  E The chief negotiator for CA, Myron Blippstein, Esq., explained how it L happened. "I don't know how it happened. We were trying to buy out a companyJ that it turns out we already owned and in the confusion, they acquired us.' At least I think that's what happened."   H Financial experts were divided over the acquisition. "I think it will beL good for CA," said Steve Forbes. "Now that they are a subsidiary, they don't have to show a profit."   J Physicist Steven Hawking disagrees. "It's against the laws of physics," heJ complained. "You can't be a subsidiary of yourself. That would like tryingJ to lift yourself up by your bootstraps. It could trigger an economic black hole."    & Posted on Thu 17 Feb 07:11:45 2000 PST9 Written by Mark J. Wallin, Ph.D. <mjwallin@earthlink.net>    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:05:13 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>  Subject: Re: CA7? F Message-ID: <dVRA5.4001$7I4.218984@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   Oh man,  stop that!!!!I     You are making me hurt myself rolling around on the floor and bumping  into things laughing. J     I could only believe this about CA.   Part of the problem is that I am not sure you are joking.  9 "Curtis Rempel" <curtis.rempel@home.com> wrote in message 4 news:q0RA5.14181$P5.355572@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com... > ? > "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> wrote in message & > news:39D3A649.A0D6A616@Easynet.fr...I > > I'm supposed to teach the "CA7 OpenVMS operations management utility"  > > next week. > > 3 > > ?   (this is a "?", not a dialup line noise :-)  > > I > > Ages ago, I remember a DEC product suite called Polycenter, with many K > > utilities. Most of them have been sold to Computer Associate and became I > > part of the Unicenter TNG offer. Today, OpenVMS Polycenter is, as you ( > > may know, the new name of VMSINSTAL. > > G > > I asked some (good) friends at COMPAQ, none know about CA7/OpenVMS. G > > So I went to CA and I have been told that there is a CA7 operations  > > management tool for... MVS.  > >  >  > That sounds like CA alright. > 7 > > Does this story ring a bell to someone around here?  > $ > Nobody around CA, that's for sure. >  > The following is from : > http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?id=38ac0f1b-07862fc0 > & > CA Acquires Itself In Freak Accident > L > After a long series of arduous and confusing negotiations, it was revealedI > by the SEC that Computer Associates (NYSE:CA) had accidentally acquired K > itself on Monday. "This has never happened before," said Bentley McDowell H > III, a spokesman for the Securities and Exchange Commission. "The only thing L > that I can recall that was as bizarre as this is when Howard Hughes bought> > out a company with the money in the company's own treasury." > L > Charles Wang, CEO of CA, when informed of the situation, was reportedly soE > enraged that he immediately fired everyone, including himself. A CA  company G > spokesman, on condition of anonymity, explained "Charlie always fires L > everybody after an acquistiion. Only this is the first time he ever had to > fire himself." > E > When news of the acquisition became public, CA's stock immmediately  plunged,I > while at the same time it went up. Wall Street brokerage houses were in I > turmoil over the news. "I'm advising my clients to buy, sell and hold,"  saidK > Harvey Muntz of Merrill Lynch. "You can't really go wrong that way. Plus,  > it's great for commissions." > G > The chief negotiator for CA, Myron Blippstein, Esq., explained how it F > happened. "I don't know how it happened. We were trying to buy out a company L > that it turns out we already owned and in the confusion, they acquired us.) > At least I think that's what happened."  > J > Financial experts were divided over the acquisition. "I think it will beH > good for CA," said Steve Forbes. "Now that they are a subsidiary, they don'tC > have to show a profit."i >DL > Physicist Steven Hawking disagrees. "It's against the laws of physics," heL > complained. "You can't be a subsidiary of yourself. That would like tryingL > to lift yourself up by your bootstraps. It could trigger an economic black > hole." >e >a( > Posted on Thu 17 Feb 07:11:45 2000 PST; > Written by Mark J. Wallin, Ph.D. <mjwallin@earthlink.net>  >s >  >  >n >g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:13:41 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> < Subject: Re: Can anyone share some sample code for X.25 qio?' Message-ID: <39D3B485.BFDFA013@iee.org>a   Arne Vajhj wrote: >   > mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk wrote:E > > I need to port some X.25 libraries from UNIX to VMS and I need tohD > > understand how to perform the QIO calls in VMS.  Unfortunately I9 > > don't have any documentation yet and I am in a hurry.  > >MA > > Can anyone share some sample code for programming X.25 comms?s7 > > I only need to know about SVC's and outgoing calls.U  E Look in SYS$EXAMPLES:*X25* (on Alpha) or SYS$EXAMPLES:*PSI* (on VAX). < The interfaces are nearly identical so either set should do.   > > > Many years ago there were a program PSICOPY (with an obvious > functionality).  > ! > You could try and look at that.   < When last I looked PSICOPY was available on the Freeware CD,@ however, it did *not* include sources just binaries and possibly objects.   Antoniot   --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:55:17 -0400 4 From: "Douglas Taylor" <taylor@crystal.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: CDROM and Emulex UC07* Message-ID: <8r0ejm$au7$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil>  J I'm trying to boot the hobbyist version of OpenVMS on a MicroVax 3400.  ItH has an Emulex UC07 SCSI controller and I can't get theUC07, set for MSCPK emulation and which I've used for SCSI disks already, to work properly withhA a Toshiba 3401E CDrom.  I've set the jumpers on the cdrom for 512 L bytes/sector and the Emulex formatter/diagnostic 'kinda' sees the drive.  ItF will make the activity light flash but no hardware description is everA returned.  Does anyone know if the UC07 can be used with a cdrom?t   Doug   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:53:33 -0400o0 From: "Daniel T. Burrows" <dburrows@netpath.net>" Subject: Re: CDROM and Emulex UC071 Message-ID: <045c01c029a7$b4007520$a652e780@L166>n  > Yes it will but you need at least rev. P or R firmware. (IIRC)E You also should go into the on board firmware and make sure it is sett
 correctly.   DanE -----Original Message-----2 From: Douglas Taylor <taylor@crystal.nrl.navy.mil>1 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>s* Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:02 PM Subject: CDROM and Emulex UC07    K >I'm trying to boot the hobbyist version of OpenVMS on a MicroVax 3400.  ItuI >has an Emulex UC07 SCSI controller and I can't get theUC07, set for MSCPNL >emulation and which I've used for SCSI disks already, to work properly withB >a Toshiba 3401E CDrom.  I've set the jumpers on the cdrom for 512I >bytes/sector and the Emulex formatter/diagnostic 'kinda' sees the drive.h ItG >will make the activity light flash but no hardware description is ever-B >returned.  Does anyone know if the UC07 can be used with a cdrom? >0 >Dougr >  >f >h >b   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:23:12 +0100y* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>+ Subject: Re: Cluster and changing diskclasss, Message-ID: <8r05r0$1b8e@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  A "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vandijk@getronics.nl> wrote in messagetG news:2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511A2ADDA@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl...-^ > I have simple question, but I have been looking for the answer for a long time and I need an
 answer quick.y >l5 > I want to change the disks names from dkb* to dkc*.e > N > Reason I want to change is that I want to add a cluster member in a cluster, >ST  > The diskcontroller is a HSZ50, the node is an alpha 2100, the VMS version is 6.2.  R I don't think there is a way of doing it on 6.2 short of adding another adapter or" juggling around the existing ones.   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 21:42:29 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Cluster and changing diskclassa6 Message-ID: <8r0e05$ehj$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511A2ADDA@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>, "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vandijk@getronics.nl> writes:4 :I want to change the disks names from dkb* to dkc*. :hN :Reason I want to change is that I want to add a cluster member in a cluster, M :but I get the error message that the systemdisk is already connected to the F$ :cluster with scsi id 6 and as dkc0.  F   The exact text of the error message, please?  (I will assume this isI   not a case where the SCSI unit number collides with another SCSI deviceu4   on the bus, nor with the SCSI controller unit id.)  K   This situation looks to be exactly why allocation classes were created.  pH   In older OpenVMS versions, host allocation classes are available.  In @   more recent versions, port allocation classes have been added.  <   With allocation classes, all devices are $alloclass$DKAn:.  H   Make sure that all unit numbers within an allocation class are unique.  G   Disks with shared SCSI (or other shared bus) should usually be in thee   same host allocation class.a  3 :On the boot prompt I see the system disk as dkb0. oJ :Is there a way to change this without adding an extra scsi controller or  :bringing the other node down.  &   Then there is no way to change this.  K :The diskcontroller is a HSZ50, the node is an alpha 2100, the VMS version   :is 6.2.  H   Way old.  Host allocation classes are available on OpenVMS Alpha V6.2,C   but port allocation class support best involves V7.1-2 and later.-  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:40:19 -0400n- From: "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU>e Subject: DCPS 1.8 and HP 2100TNMB Message-ID: <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DEA6F@petra.WPI.EDU>  H Anyone out there using HP 2100's with DCPS 1.8?  We've had requests fromL departments for smaller, cheaper printers than the HP 4050's, HP 4500's, andI HP 8100's we've been recommending for network printers.  The 2100's stillaL aren't cheap, but do come in about $400 less than a 4050 and are rated at 10G ppm, 1200 dpi, have two input trays and Postscript, so they seem like a8L reasonable printer.  We decided to try one out to see how it would work withL DCPS before putting them on the list of officially supported printers.  I'veE just started messing around with it and have worked my way around the1I "offending command is defaulttumble" errors by creating a modified deviceeG control library without this command in the LPS$$LOADDICT module.  This L works for basic printing, but I wanted to see about getting tray definitionsL worked out.  To do this for the currently unsupported 4050's I've been using- another modified device control library with aB LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_INITPSDEVICE and LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_SETINPUTTRAY  replaced by E LPS$$HPLASERJET4000_INITPSDEVICE and LPS$$HPLASERJET4000_SETINPUTTRAY   K What I'm wondering is which HP printer is close enough (if any) to the 2100-I to be able to "borrow" its setup modules for input tray definitions untilaL (if ever?) this printer is directly supported by DCPS.  Also, if anyone elseJ has already tried these printers out and found any particular problems I'dE appreciate hearing about them now before I commit to supporting them.6   Thanks.>   Davidu   David Mitchell' Administrative Computer Systems Manageri College Computer Centert Worcester Polytechnic Instituteo e-mail:mitchell@wpi.edue phone:(508)831-6044s   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 18:28:05 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: DEC - Microvax 20006 Message-ID: <8r02jl$ci5$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <8quvlk$f86$1@newstoo.ericsson.se>, "news.ericsson.se" <Kirk.Acid@lion.cc> writes: @ :i've a dec vax2000 running vms, but i don't know the version... : G :my problem is that i don't have access to the system, i don't know thehD :SYSTEM password; there is a routine from digital to crack the box, : :BOOT /R5 ; set UAF....  to "0" then you should be able to% :log-on with any user and password...0  D   Please see the OpenVMS FAQ for the instructions on how to get intoC   an OpenVMS system if you do not know the password.  Specifically,e@   "MGMT5.  I've forgotten the SYSTEM password - what can I do?".  >   The OpenVMS FAQ is available at various sites including via:  "     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  + :but at this point it fails on my machine!!t  E   Um, "it fails" is not a problem description that I can particularlySC   recognize.  Please see "INTRO5.  How do I submit a question or a LC   response?  What is etiquette?" in the FAQ -- this information canEE   help you provide the information that folks need in order to answer 8   your question quickly.  Error messages, commands, etc.  0 :...couse there's no further support from DEC...  H   Huh?  As support is and remains available, I will assume you refering G   to a lack of a support contract at your site, or a lack of a support M*   contract for this particular VAX system.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:50:13 -0400i' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>c  Subject: Re: DEC - Microvax 2000+ Message-ID: <39D3A0F5.E49278FB@y12.doe.gov>o  M My understanding is that the spawn is required because the end of the startup-L procedure performs a log out.  If you have not spawned, then your session isJ terminated and you are still left without a way of getting into the systemK unless you know a username and password.  By performing the spawn, when theCM startup logs out, you are returned to the parent process with full privileges1- and can modify the system authorization file.e  
 Dale A. Marcyr. Science Applications International Corporation   Didier Morandi wrote:. > ( > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > >iN > > See the OpenVMS FAQ section MGMT5.  It describes one of the better methods< > > for accessing a system with a forgotten system password. > C > What the FAQ doesn't say is that the DCL error handler is not yettH > started before the @startup command, this is (to me) why Hoff suggestsI > to do a Spawn before. Because, if you mistype a command, the process is J > killed at once and you have to reboot the Vax :-) So, with the Spawn, ifJ > there is a DCL illegal command, the subprocess is killed and you have to? > recreate another one with a new Spawn command. Correct, Hoff?  >  > D. > $ > PS: Thank you God for Hoff Hoffman > (no kidding)   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 22:01:24 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: DEC - Microvax 20006 Message-ID: <8r0f3k$eo3$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <39D37AAB.E76C6A38@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:o' :"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:, :> dM :> See the OpenVMS FAQ section MGMT5.  It describes one of the better methods.; :> for accessing a system with a forgotten system password.i :sB :What the FAQ doesn't say is that the DCL error handler is not yetG :started before the @startup command, this is (to me) why Hoff suggestsuH :to do a Spawn before. Because, if you mistype a command, the process isI :killed at once and you have to reboot the Vax :-) So, with the Spawn, ifeI :there is a DCL illegal command, the subprocess is killed and you have tof> :recreate another one with a new Spawn command. Correct, Hoff?  K   I included the SPAWN for two reasons: a: establishing the system context eL   necessary for various utilities such as AUTHORIZE, b: avoiding the logout ,   that is lurking at the end of STARTUP.COM.  F   You can get yourself blown out of the startup environment -- you areG   entering commands that OpenVMS is interpreting as commands read from nG   a DCL command procedure, after all -- if you both a: forget to issue eC   the SET NOON and b: you make a severe enough DCL command boo-boo.yG   (This is the same mechanism that causes a DCL procedure to blow out.)hF   If you have remembered to spawn STARTUP.COM, then you can still get E   back in without rebooting the system, and you can also have a fully D   functional system when you are done (without rebooting yet again).  G   It is quite possible to avoid running STARTUP.COM entirely, issue theuI   SET NOON, and then manually install the required images in order to getfI   AUTHORIZE or other image working, fix the password problem, and reboot.tH   This is the sequence I typically choose to use, though it rather more H   complex to describe the sequence -- hence the sequence that is listed 
   in the FAQ.     N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:39:26 +0000 (   )p3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>e  Subject: Re: DEC - Microvax 2000I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10009282238240.6046-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>l  # On 28 Sep 2000, Hoff Hoffman wrote:5  I >   It is quite possible to avoid running STARTUP.COM entirely, issue therK >   SET NOON, and then manually install the required images in order to get K >   AUTHORIZE or other image working, fix the password problem, and reboot. J >   This is the sequence I typically choose to use, though it rather more J >   complex to describe the sequence -- hence the sequence that is listed  >   in the FAQ.M  E Out of curiousity, I tried this once, a while back.  It requires that : certain images be installed, etc... but works well enough.   Regards,   Chris   O ===============================================================================a@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer  Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.i% -------------------------------------lI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 fO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:18:30 +0100f+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>  Subject: Re: DEC Rescue ?I' Message-ID: <39D3B5A6.874F0E46@iee.org>h   Didier Morandi wrote:y >  > Mike Kenzie wrote: > >h4 > > Does anyone know what has happened to this list? > >uL > > I have a VAXstation in Ottawa I'm trying to get running again and need a > > monitor. > D > You know why you have no replies ? :-) Because the question is not> > clear. Where is the link between this list and your problem? >   E I think he means that there was a mailing list called something alongdB the lines of DEC-RESCUE. It was supposed to be a way of connectingD people disposing of DEC kit with people looking to acquire such kit.  = Sadly I've lost my bookmark to the site that hosted the list.t   Antoniot   ---------------e- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgi   ------------------------------   Date: 28 SEP 2000 21:33:54 GMT From: Greenwoodde@ornl.gov Subject: Re: DEC Rescue ? 2 Message-ID: <28SEP00.21335422@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  , "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote: >  i >    > Didier Morandi wrote:o > >  > > Mike Kenzie wrote: > > >o6 > > > Does anyone know what has happened to this list? > > > N > > > I have a VAXstation in Ottawa I'm trying to get running again and need a > > > monitor. > > F > > You know why you have no replies ? :-) Because the question is not@ > > clear. Where is the link between this list and your problem? > >  >  aG > I think he means that there was a mailing list called something alongaD > the lines of DEC-RESCUE. It was supposed to be a way of connectingF > people disposing of DEC kit with people looking to acquire such kit. >  d? > Sadly I've lost my bookmark to the site that hosted the list.F  H Here's the original announcement about that list, never tried it myself:  ) > From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@mrbill.net>- > Date: 17-JUN-2000  01:10:38 1 > Subj: ANNOUNCEMENT: The DEC-rescue mailing lista > C > This is to announce the existence of the DEC-rescue mailing list,2D > dedicated to keeping DEC hardware (of any type, but mainly PDP andC > VAX stuff) out of the hands of scrappers, trashers, and the DUMP!l > D > I know we all hate to see good hardware go to the scrap yard or be > sold off by the pound. > B > I run another list of this type (rescue@sunhelp.org) for fans of1 > Sun hardware, and it has been quite successful.g > - > For more info about the DECrescue list, see ) > http://www.decvax.org/mailman/listinfo/X > 	 > Thanks.n >  > Bill >  > --, > +--------------------+-------------------+, > |   Bill Bradford    |   Austin, Texas   |, > +--------------------+-------------------+, > | mrbill@sunhelp.org | mrbill@mrbill.net |. > +--------------------+-------------------+>    Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVuH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:41:33 GMT- From: mindphaser23@my-deja.com Subject: Default gateway in VMSs) Message-ID: <8r0adr$mn7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>j  A VMS is completely new to me. In Windows, you can set up a Default>C Gateway under TCP/IP Properties. How would one do this in VMS? I am3: running VMS 5.2HW on a VAX 4000-90 over a 10BaseT network.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.I   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 20:59:34 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)e# Subject: Re: Default gateway in VMSg' Message-ID: <8r0bfm$mse$1@joe.rice.edu>m   mindphaser23@my-deja.com wrote: C : VMS is completely new to me. In Windows, you can set up a Default E : Gateway under TCP/IP Properties. How would one do this in VMS? I am < : running VMS 5.2HW on a VAX 4000-90 over a 10BaseT network.  5 Assuming you're running UCX, the Digital TCP/IP stack   7 $ UCX SET ROUTE/GATEWAY=x.x.x.x/DEFAULT_ROUTE/PERMANENT   4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:00:06 -0500e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> # Subject: Re: Default gateway in VMSv- Message-ID: <39D3F7A6.77E464BC@earthlink.net>.   mindphaser23@my-deja.com wrote:e > C > VMS is completely new to me. In Windows, you can set up a DefaultoE > Gateway under TCP/IP Properties. How would one do this in VMS? I aml< > running VMS 5.2HW on a VAX 4000-90 over a 10BaseT network.  * Depends which TCP/IP stack you're running:  
 UCX (Digital)k TCPware (Process Software)< Multinet (Originally TGV, then Cisco, then Process Software) Wollongong Pathway( CMU-Tek (CMU/IP) from Carnegie-Mellon U.   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:01:23 -0400A* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com># Subject: Re: Default gateway in VMSk- Message-ID: <39D3CDC3.6878C6CA@tsoft-inc.com>n   mindphaser23@my-deja.com wrote:h > C > VMS is completely new to me. In Windows, you can set up a DefaultsE > Gateway under TCP/IP Properties. How would one do this in VMS? I amr< > running VMS 5.2HW on a VAX 4000-90 over a 10BaseT network.    2 Don't know about 5.2.  For V7.2-1 and TCPIP V5.0A:   @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIGp  ' (possibly UCX$CONFIG on older versions)   ! select option 1, core environmenta   select option 3, routing   select YES for GATED  . There will be some instructions.  Follow them.  M I only had to do this twice, setting up 2 systems.  Once done, it just works.    Dave   -- 74 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:51:19 -0000m- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)t Subject: Re: ECO mailing listh/ Message-ID: <st718nr8i5ss4e@news.supernews.com>l  5 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote in B <rdeininger-2809001216240001@user-2ive7u1.dialup.mindspring.com>:   D >Well, the good news is the VMS patch mailing list is working again.4 >I've received 2 emails in the last couple of weeks. >,
 -- snip --  
 Hi Robert,  H I'm interested in getting on this list.  Could you give me directions?   Thanks!    ws   -- c << Boycott Shampoo >>c << Demand REAL POO >>.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:37:02 GMTu From: gfruth@my-deja.com3 Subject: Re: Fixed length 17 byte record data & RMS ) Message-ID: <8r0dlv$pkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  H I'd suggest not doing a binary transfer.  Try an ASCII transfer instead.    ) In article <8qd8s4$ug7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,i   rocoto@my-deja.com wrote: B > Yesterday, I found an interesting RMS feature..... The following command  > file demonstrates it.e >S5 > $ if f$search("aa.dat").nes."" then delete aa.dat.*s > $ copy nl: aa.datO > $ set file aa.dat/att=rfm=fixl > $ set file aa.dat/att=lrl=34 > $ rec1x = "This is 17 bytes!"- > $ rec2x=rec1x+rec1xr > $ open/append aa aa.dat- > $ write aa rec2x > $ write aa rec2x > $ write aa rec2x > $ write aa rec2x > $ write aa rec2x > $ write aa rec2x > $ close aa > $ set file aa.dat/att=lrl=17 > $ typ aa.dat >hD > I received a file in binary format that was _really_ 61-byte fixedH > length records -- needless to say, the above demonstrated feature made@ > recovery of the file data a little more om... interesting.  :) > @ > Does anyone have any suggestions on how to convince RMS that I _really_/ > _really_ _really_ *want* an unaligned record?r >e > -- > David  >l( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.a >a    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:14:13 -0500t7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> : Subject: Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales, Message-ID: <39D3ECE5.D9B8298@earthlink.net>   David A Froble wrote:g >  > moi_is_me wrote:
 > > [snip] > >t> > >    So the question is ... why doesn't ComPaq, reduce cost,> > >    and increase sales by following Sun's example on eBay ? >  > An interesting idea, but:y > A > There's 'selling' a product, and then there's 'giving it away'.0 > O > VMS has been a good product for it's vendors, even if not always appriciated._Q > It has good margins, loyal users (what's left of them), and it's far from being_P > a lemon.  However, Compaq has multiple products, and if VMS wasn't such a goodL > product, producing good revenue AND margins, Compaq wouldn't value it veryR > highly.  Thus, VMS must maintain good margins in order for Compaq to continue to > keep it around.   9 I know I'll get blasted for this one, but gotta say this:d  ! There's two ways to make profits:p   1. Low volume high margino 2. High volume low margint  8 Both will yield the profits sought if properly balanced.  @ >  Not saying this is good, and you probably could get me to sayR > that it's not so good rather easily.  Still, pricing it close to what the marketF > will bear is more necessary for VMS than possibly for other systems.  6 My take on it has been, and for the most part remains:  D When you've got (x) large clients supporting you, if you lose (x/10)@ client(s), this will impact your bottom line, stock price, etc., possibly seriously.r  G If you have (100x) clients of all sizes, even losing (1x) large clients E can be survivable unless the lost client(s) provided the bulk of yourh income.E  C Market share has its advantages. Ask Bill, or Linus or (fill in theR blank).A   -- t David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/S  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Sep 2000 00:39:10 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young): Subject: Re: Improving ALPHA (OpenVMS in particular) sales+ Message-ID: <pnWxLFC4zsFU@eisner.decus.org>t  f In article <39D3ECE5.D9B8298@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: > David A Froble wrote:s > ; > I know I'll get blasted for this one, but gotta say this:u > # > There's two ways to make profits:I >  > 1. Low volume high margina > 2. High volume low margint > : > Both will yield the profits sought if properly balanced. >   ; 	Won't blast but I think there is a fallacy built into youri: 	argument (or a danger that we see worked out day to day).A 	The high volume low margin would work as long as the low margins-< 	are reasonable.  What has happened to the PC sector is that9 	the margins have fallen so low and the product become soc> 	commoditized that it is quickly becoming a losing propositionG 	and the Compaqs and the Dells of the world are reinventing themselves.-? 	Dell's latest venture is to become a storage vendor and targetu= 	that.  Maybe they make it.  They have to go somewhere as thefC 	exact same thing is taking place with Intel servers.  Motherboardsy= 	by Intel, common chipsets behind the scenes.  Multiple poweruE 	supplies and other features will make a Gateway server as attractivesC 	as a Dell server and if they are willing to suffer slimmer marginsr( 	eventually Dell will take a server hit.  A 	Maybe a good place to be would be modest volume and high margins A 	like the Ford Excursion.  Read they make 15-20 thousand a pop on @ 	those.  Now Compaq must have realized this years ago and a stepD 	to reinventing themselves was to acquire Tandem and Digital.  PressA 	makes and made much of Compaq acquiring their services division gC 	but several components within Digital including their StorageWorksp> 	sector are making quite healthy margins.  IBM is desperate to< 	stay a full service company and has suffered through great A 	losses in their PC sector to maintain the aura of a full service > 	provider.  Last year they overhauled their PC unit to improve 	things:  D http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO29127,00.html  ; 	The losses have improved over the $1 billion dollar a yearH 	loss cited in that article.  9 	High volume and low margins?  Oh, you mean like corn andc: 	soybeans?  Of course not.  You hope more like Palm Pilots< 	or the next big handheld device.  Sure.. until that becomesA 	totally commoditized and the margins drop off to nothing and youM@ 	are back to corn and soybeans.  Do you honestly believe you can= 	take a VMS and bump its margins to "high" volumes?  Wouldn'to; 	you hope to increase the volume somewhat while maintainingb 	margin?  < 	Ideally, stay like the Excursion.  VMS is like an Excursion; 	and if you hate that analogy pick a good German luxury cars< 	like a BMW or a Mercedes.  Less stress and big money if you. 	can make those volumes go from low to modest.   > 8 > My take on it has been, and for the most part remains: > F > When you've got (x) large clients supporting you, if you lose (x/10)B > client(s), this will impact your bottom line, stock price, etc., > possibly seriously.U > I > If you have (100x) clients of all sizes, even losing (1x) large clients G > can be survivable unless the lost client(s) provided the bulk of your 	 > income.c > E > Market share has its advantages. Ask Bill, or Linus or (fill in then	 > blank)., >   ? 	Bill doesn't count as that is a monopoly.  Linux doesn't counto> 	because it still isn't making money (will it ever?  When does< 	RedHat's stock drop?  Eventually, you have to make money or/ 	you get killed.  Recent example is Priceline.)   = 	High volume and low margins is a brutal place to be when thea8 	margins fall off to the point you are nothing more than4 	a commodity like desktop PCs and corn and soybeans.  ? 	Guess where most of Compaq's profits come from?  It isn't from * 	the parts that are making the most parts.   				Robt   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 03:27:06 GMT 3 From: "MrSignor" <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net>o- Subject: IO$M_NOW and IO$M_NORSWAIT + Socketsr6 Message-ID: <e_TA5.1042$4i5.77435@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>   hi,e  0 In respect of sockets UCX/Multinet + TcpWare ...  3 Assuming you agree with the following statement ...nG IO$M_NORSWAIT seems to be a superset of IO$M_NOW, because IO$M_NORSWAIT-H is indicating "dont suspend" me if i run out of quota (any quota, ast's, dio,bio etc), whereasrH IO$M_NOW would seem to indicate "dont suspend" me if there is NOT enough room$ in the socket to complete the write.  D Q1 When would you WANT to specify both IO$M_NORSWAIT + IO$M_NOW whenI       performing an asynchronous WRITE to any of the above socket devicesN  H Q2 Do all of the above IP stacks support both IO$M_NORSWAIT + IO$M_NOW ?   Thanks inadvance   -Fredi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:24:23 -0000c% From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) < Subject: Re: Memo:  Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory/ Message-ID: <st7do7mi0v0p62@news.supernews.com>,  ! jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com> wrote: F > It seems the fastest way would be to delete each file by fileid, and; > then delete the directory file (probably requiring a "set=E > file/nodirectory" first).  This requires *no* operations where file/5 > entries are removed from the directory file itself.m  ; But it *would* require writing an RMS program, unless there 8 is a /FILE_ID=(1,2,3) qualifier to the DELETE command of which I am unaware.    ok dpmC -- q3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/ - systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.comuC                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)fC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:dmurphy@ac-tech.com          (work)-   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 18:19:32 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: MIN_LRPCOUNT, etc.R6 Message-ID: <8r023k$ci5$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D In article <39D2A9E6.4950.90DB5F8@localhost>, stan@stanq.com writes:E :In what version of VMS for VAX did support of MIN_LRPCOUNT (and its t+ :cousins, SRPCOUNT and IRPCOUNT) disappear?a  1   Pool lookaside list management changed at V6.0.s  1   What are you up to?  (Some background, please?)   A :I'd like to conditionalize a VMSINSTAL script to generate these t+ :entries only on systems that require them.   D   I typically prefer to use PCSI (though not for OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2,A   obviously), and I prefer to check the system and process quota  D   settings when the application starts up (either in the applicationD   startup procedure or an explicit check in an image), and I prefer D   to describe how and then let the system manager add the requisite    entries to MODPARAMS.DAT.r  B   As a real hack, you could see if f$getsyi of LRPCOUNT, IRPCOUNT,B   and SRPCOUNT all return zero.  This will *probably* do what you B   want, and will indicate when these settings are no longer valid.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:31:28 -0400  From: stan@stanq.com Subject: Re: MIN_LRPCOUNT, etc.a. Message-ID: <39D38070.26931.1F59D2A@localhost>  - On 28 Sep 2000, at 18:19, Hoff Hoffman wrote:lG > :In what version of VMS for VAX did support of MIN_LRPCOUNT (and its g- > :cousins, SRPCOUNT and IRPCOUNT) disappear?k3 >   Pool lookaside list management changed at V6.0.b  3 >   What are you up to?  (Some background, please?)e  D I have a product, installed with VMSINSTAL, which provides a sample D MODPARAMS.DAT file for the system manager at installation.  Because 4 our support goes back to VMS 5.4, we can't use PCSI.  E During the install, we detect the processor type (VAX/Alpha) and the  F VMS version.  The MODPARAMS.DAT is built on the fly and then added to  the system.o  
 >   I prefer rF >   to describe how and then let the system manager add the requisite  >   entries to MODPARAMS.DAT.   B Well, this product is mostly installed on a new system, so giving C them a complete example MODPARAMS isn't a problem.  We can even be  ; helpful and drop it into SYS$SYSTEM if the manager prefers.e  D >   As a real hack, you could see if f$getsyi of LRPCOUNT, IRPCOUNT,! >   and SRPCOUNT all return zero.-  E Naw, I just updated the KITINSTAL to check against VMS version < 6.0.-/ That'll be just perfect.  Thanks for your help.i     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671-1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147n= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comE   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 04:27:57 GMT,4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>K Subject: Musical Chairmen in Houston... Rosen Steps Down, Capellas Steps Upc= Message-ID: <hTUA5.29528$pu4.3076223@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   L Compaq today announced that President and CEO Michael Capellas is taking theL additional position of chairman - a title he takes over from Benjamin Rosen,8 who had headed the firm's board of directors since 1983.L The appointment of Capellas as chairman is effective immediately. Rosen, 67,J is retiring from the Compaq board, but he's being given the honorary title of chairman emeritus.m  L Rosen was a founding member of Compaq's board in 1982 and was named chairmanJ a year later. He also served as acting CEO for four months last year afterG Eckhard Pfeiffer, was ousted by the board. In a statement, a portion ofeI which appears below, Rosen said he has "complete confidence" in Capellas'C ability to lead Compaq..  J "Michael is ideally suited to lead this company as chairman, president andE CEO.  He has proven his leadership during one of the most challenging0I periods in the company's history.  He has articulated a compelling vision:I for the future of information technology and the leading role that Compaq.H will play.  He has forged a management team focused on a common mission,F outstanding execution and a clear commitment to sustainable growth andC profitability.  And he has demonstrated an unwavering commitment to0B customers, partners, shareholders and, most important, employees."    H "With more than a year of solid performance, it seemed appropriate to meK that Michael should have the opportunity to serve as both chairman and CEO.oI He has the support of a solid, active and independent Board of Directors,wG which shares my personal belief in Michael's ability to lead this greatr company to new heights."    L In other news of the CEO kind, former DEC VP Bruce Claflin is being elevatedK to the CEO berth at 3COM effective at the end of this year. SKC subscribersdJ will be able to read all the lurid details once I get the issue out, which4 is unlikely to transpire before the end of CETS2000.   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:50:01 -0400e& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>O Subject: Re: Musical Chairmen in Houston... Rosen Steps Down, Capellas Steps Upd2 Message-ID: <8r1710$49v$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  E > In other news of the CEO kind, former DEC VP Bruce Claflin is being- elevated= > to the CEO berth at 3COM effective at the end of this year.o   Sell your 3COM stock...t     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.ccoE =====================================================================.? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagem7 news:hTUA5.29528$pu4.3076223@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...bJ > Compaq today announced that President and CEO Michael Capellas is taking thexG > additional position of chairman - a title he takes over from Benjaminc Rosen,: > who had headed the firm's board of directors since 1983.J > The appointment of Capellas as chairman is effective immediately. Rosen, 67,cL > is retiring from the Compaq board, but he's being given the honorary title > of chairman emeritus.p >eE > Rosen was a founding member of Compaq's board in 1982 and was namede chairmanL > a year later. He also served as acting CEO for four months last year afterI > Eckhard Pfeiffer, was ousted by the board. In a statement, a portion oftK > which appears below, Rosen said he has "complete confidence" in Capellas'e > ability to lead Compaq.y >gL > "Michael is ideally suited to lead this company as chairman, president andG > CEO.  He has proven his leadership during one of the most challenging0K > periods in the company's history.  He has articulated a compelling visioneK > for the future of information technology and the leading role that CompaqoJ > will play.  He has forged a management team focused on a common mission,H > outstanding execution and a clear commitment to sustainable growth andE > profitability.  And he has demonstrated an unwavering commitment toeD > customers, partners, shareholders and, most important, employees." >a >sJ > "With more than a year of solid performance, it seemed appropriate to meH > that Michael should have the opportunity to serve as both chairman and CEO.K > He has the support of a solid, active and independent Board of Directors,xI > which shares my personal belief in Michael's ability to lead this great  > company to new heights." >  > E > In other news of the CEO kind, former DEC VP Bruce Claflin is being6 elevatedA > to the CEO berth at 3COM effective at the end of this year. SKCt subscriberseL > will be able to read all the lurid details once I get the issue out, which6 > is unlikely to transpire before the end of CETS2000. >l > -- > Terry C. Shannon > Consultant and Publisher > Shannon Knows Compaq" > email: terryshannon@mediaone.net& > Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com >D >. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:58:16 GMT % From: "Joseph Gill" <gilljb@home.com>t" Subject: Re: NJ--VAX/VMS Operators< Message-ID: <YGSA5.12402$td5.2223060@news1.rdc2.pa.home.com>  L My guess its in Plainsboro, NJ which is right out side of Princeton.  Closer2 to Merill Lynch and Bristol-Myers Squibb than J&J.    7 "Rob Young" <young_r@eisner.decus.org> wrote in messagec% news:c5JcHwsOa+kU@eisner.decus.org...oJ > In article <009F0C0E.DFB6E58A@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG' (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:gH > > In article <8qt3fv$1dp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, gfrantz@kforce.com writes:J > >>Need help in finding VAX/VMS Operators for a client of ours located inI > >>Central NJ.  3 days on 4 days off night and/or days available.  It ispJ > >>consulting for a minimum of 6 months.  Please let me know if you could* > >>help.  Email me at gfrantz@kforce.com. > >iL > > According to New Jersey Monthly magazine, this would be the counties of:J > > Hunterdon, Mercer, Middlesex, Monmouth, and Somerset.  Is one of these# > > where this position is located?o > >pL > > Residing in this excuse for an arbitrary political boundary for collect-K > > ive government known as the Garbage State, I really hate these terms inoK > > use such as Northern, Central and Southern NJ.  If you really want some,K > > assistence to find VMS operators, it would be very helpful to be just ahF > > bit more forthcoming as to the actual location of the job opening. > >r >e@ > Nahhhh.. then all the other headhunters would realize they are$ > talking about Johnson and Johnson. >  > Robt >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:25:59 GMTn From: fruth@axp.abpa-tpa.com Subject: Re: NTP with UCX 4.2i) Message-ID: <8r0d0r$p3p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  : I've gotten NTP to work on both UCX 4.2 ECO3 and UCX 5.0A.  ? 5.0A has a lot more functionality (NTPDATE, NTPTRACE, NTPQ, andtE NTPDC).  However both do the primary job of keeping the computer time A correct just fine.  The extra functionality in 5.0A could help ino debugging problems.e  @ The messages show up in the UCX 4.2 log somewhat slowly; severalE minutes passed before I saw any data.  I'll be happy to help if you'do like.o  / In article <wCby5.640$O7.18456@ozemail.com.au>,s<   "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> wrote:9 > We've got it working here with the same version and 7.1n >@E > WOn't be upgrading (again) to 5.0a until we can get some assurancespA > about NFS. That aside, the rest of the machines on 5.0a seem ton  > be working a whole lot better. >nC > You need 5.0a if you have any linux boxes that telnet to your vmsi? > hosts. We found that each telnet session would use 30% of theuH > cpu, therefore 3 telnets, would have your whole cpu all to themselves. >l > any help?i >  > antony >uA > "Mike Tock" <hiding_me@don't_spam.hotmail.com> wrote in messagey& > news:8qa6sa$p6p$1@news.ihug.co.nz... > > Hi > > F > > Has anybody got NTP to work with this version of UCX the ECO is 4. > >oD > > I get things to run but in the log file I don't see any messages that ise > it4 > > actually talking to the host I want to sync off.B > > if I make the node a local master, then the log file puts in a messagei/ > > saying it accepted itself as the sync host.t > >m > >a@ > > As as an aside, is it worth upgrading from UCX 4.2 to 5.0a?? > >v
 > > Cheers > > Mike > >g > >d >a >t    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:13:35 GMTa5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>l1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?e8 Message-ID: <ajc7tsco7lnmvf5mkbc00rpqu6efon365j@4ax.com>  E On 28 Sep 2000 10:56:28 -0500, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)a wrote:  G >With ODS-5 and the latest ECO to the C RTL (see yesterday's post) Java F >work is much easier (recommend you turn off case-changing in both DCLE >and C RTL so arguments  to main are passed as typed to both the Javae" >compiler and the resulting code). >aC >Ran through a lot of old utility programs (readtar, unzip, ...) torJ >remove name unmangling for ODS-5, keep it for ODS-2.  Couldn't fix my oldE >copy of unzip (works when compiled /debug/noopt, didn't have time to G >track down the code bug) so I'm using a new one from Compaq.  IIRC the 0 >latest unzip from the author already has a fix. >vH >OBTW, the C RTL ECO also fixed a problem I was having with CMS extended >file name libraries.u  < I should go look it up, but is making your system disk ODS-5A supported?   'magine so, but I wonder if many folks in the field n have done so yet.H  < reason I ask,  is, the latest Java  JDK (pcsi) kit installs % itself (default) under sys$common.   e  > Earlier JDK (beta) install kits were simply a saveset of what ! was (apparently) an ODS-5 volume.   6 the notes warn against relocating the JDK to any other7 location other than sys$common, volume,  but I did so,  1 to an ODS-5 volume.  So far without any problems.' (this w/ the latest CRTL eco)o  @ My rationale was tthinking  inre the various case-sensitivities  lurking  throughout Java,.     ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 22:28:38 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?o6 Message-ID: <8r0gmm$eo3$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <ajc7tsco7lnmvf5mkbc00rpqu6efon365j@4ax.com>, "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com> writes:= :I should go look it up, but is making your system disk ODS-5s :supported?     .   AFAIK, officially no.  AFAIK, it does work.   H   I have heard there was one known and apparently minor bootstrap error I   around, and somebody here in OpenVMS Engineering was looking at fixing lH   it (or had fixed it with an upcoming release).  (If you mess with the J   names of the core OpenVMS bootstrap files, of course, all bets are off.)   	--i  I   One of the regular readers here has reported and has also passed along  L   a fix to VMSINSTAL for EFS/ODS-5 volumes.  (Thanks!)   In current OpenVMS H   Alpha releases, VMSINSTAL is blind to any lowercase and/or mixed-case L   installation saveset names.  The fix has been queued for the next release G   of OpenVMS Alpha, and remedies the reported blindness.  (ps: the nexteH   release of OpenVMS VAX VMSINSTAL has the VMSINSTAL.HISTORY file, too.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:05:07 GMT 1 From: Vito Prosciutto <vitoprosciutto@excite.com>a Subject: opendir/readdir VAXC?) Message-ID: <8r0iqv$u4c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  F When I try to link something that uses opendir/readdir, I get an errorG back indicating that these names are unknown to the linker... any ideasuE on how to get around this? Anyone have the VMS lib calls & example oft use?  F Here's something that according to help cc runtime should work but hasG the linking problem described above. An equivalent with VMS calls wouldf+ be handy if I can't resolve the link issue.e  ; /* This is a quickie test file for readdir functionality */n   #include <dirent.h>  #include <stdio.h> #include <sys/types.h>   main() {
   DIR *dp;   struct dirent *dep;.'   dp=opendir("DISK$MIS:[HOSEK.DEAPC]");:%   while ((dep=readdir(dp)) != NULL) {o$     printf("[[%s]]\n", dep->d_name);   }e   closedir(dp);  }s     -vpm   --" "Leave the gun, take the cannoli."    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:59:27 +0100T* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>, Subject: Re: OT:  More MSFT on US Navy ships, Message-ID: <8qvtdf$1en2@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  9 "Ramon L. Tate" <taterskins@patriot.net> wrote in messaget> news:taterskins-ya023480002709002311070001@news.patriot.net...  J > >        Access to the Linux source code "gives us some confidence," theM > >    White House official said, adding that it simplifies patching security(. > >    breeches and correcting routine errors. > >cH > >        Created by a Finnish graduate student named Linus Torvalls in  I > Uh, this isn't quite the view of Linux robustness and security one getsjJ > from the security mailing lists and news groups. This whole article, andH > the sources behind it, seems like a thinly-disguised justification forJ > moving to Linux and a (well-deserved) shot at Windows rather than REALLY) > defending and encouraging OS diversity.e  E One would gain more confidence if he spelled Linus' name the same wayyB as everyone else. And presumably 'security breeches' are a special/ leak resistant garment used in the White House.s  M I know, casting the first stone and all that. However, if it's taken verbatimn, from the publication, I'm not too impressed.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:36:53 GMTl4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>, Subject: Re: OT:  More MSFT on US Navy ships; Message-ID: <p5NA5.19505$tn.413700@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>a  J Windoze-based battle management systems on the CVN77? I think I've finallyL figured out what the ChiComs got in exchange for their generous donations to the Clinton/Gore campaign!   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:07:10 GMT.2 From: Conrad Whittall <conrad.whittall@cognos.com>0 Subject: Re: OVMS & Rdb onto Intranet / Internet* Message-ID: <39D3CEB1.7DE0459B@cognos.com>   Michel Herrscher wrote:-  N > Excuse the cross posting, but it allows me a larger source of experiences... > N > Is there any connector available for Rdb to be acceeded from a Web server on > OVMS ? > Q > I plan to use Apache on an Alpha DS10. Your Ideas, or remarks please ...What is $ > the administrator program for it ? >tL > I am a long time user of Ovms, but newbie on th Web connectior in the Ovms	 > area...e >t) > Thanks for th time you take to help me.X >0 > -- > Michel HERRSCHER Consultantt > mhc@herrscher.fr > Tl : +33 (0)450 870 912 > Fax : +33 (0)450 871 741 > Gsm : +33 (0)609 044 711   <plug>  R If you are looking to run Web applications on an OpenVMS server with native (DSRI)P access to Oracle Rdb data you might like to consider PowerHouse Web from Cognos.  S This solution uses the PowerHouse 4GL (first available on OpenVMS in 1984) to build7Q your application using a specification-based 4GL programming language. The latesttS version of PowerHouse 4GL, version 8.20 release earlier this year, also generates aiL standard HTML user interface for "screen" programs. You can then enhance theQ generate HTML using any of the popular Web authoring tool (such as Dreamweaver or N FrontPage) or a regular text editor. The finished application is then run withR PowerHouse Web. The flexibility of this solution is that your Web server can be onR any of the supported PowerHouse Web platforms (including OpenVMS, UNIX, MPE/iX andP Windows 2000/NT), while your application runs on one or more of these platforms.R For example, you could have your Web server on Windows 2000/NT and both an OpenVMSS and Windows 2000/NT server running the application (the Windows server would access R Rdb through ODBC while the OpenVMS server would be using DSRI). The provides a lot9 of flexibility and robustness to the solutions developed.t  R If you are interested in more information I would recommend reading the PowerHouseR Web white papers, which can be found on the Cognos site at www.cognos.com/openvms.R You might also like to contact Nadine Durrwell in our Paris office, on +33 1 56 37F 52 00, if you would be interested in trying this product for yourself.  
 Best regards,D Conrad Whittalla  E Marketing Manager, Application Development Tools, Cognos Incorporatede6 3755 Riverside Drive, Ottawa, Ontario, K1G 4K9, Canada   </plug>    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:07:28 GMT 5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>e Subject: Re: PCA questions8 Message-ID: <i557ts4mq1v3jgk8aagot9e0jqjriesfp4@4ax.com>  A On 28 Sep 2000 17:40:44 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davide Mathog) wrote:  J >The first time I tried saving the annotated listing as a chart it crashedL >PCA without creating an output file - Process Quota exceeded. After closingJ >every other window on the desktop I was finally able to save a "chart" of >the annotated sequence. w >hI >The hotspots turned up something I had not expected.  The program does arM >lot of fgets() and fprintf() and those used up about 10% of the time.  I had I >expected them to use more like 90% of the time, but the actual breakdowni >was:   D When I was using the DECW PCA client recently, I grew frustrated w/ 8 frequent accvios deep into the middle of an interesting & (read: lengthy)  query drill-drown.     : paritcularly, on pathological source-code, much like your @ 10K-line 50 routine example).    I wound up using the cmd-line, & and character-cell interfaces instead.  = But even then, I found my pgflquo needed to be set to extremetA values.  the system I was using had lotsa of free page file spacea so it was no big deal.  C I'd imagine the same would be true of the DECW client only more so.e  F dickering w/ quotas on DECW apps, in my humble (empirical) experience,? seems to require dickering w/ the sysgen PQL parameters, since a: most DECW clients are, in effect run as detached processes& (to my understanding of them, anyway).   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 18:03:06 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS, Message-ID: <8r014q$se6@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  [ In article <39D3065D.D814795@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: K >Another advantage of using a queue as a PS->PDF document processor is load O >management/distribution. You can let the cluster queue manager spread the laodrN >of jobs amongst the various nodes, and more importantly, you can submit a jobL >which will run at a lower priority. You can submit a whole bunch of jobs toX >run while you're away, and possible create individual log files for later verification. >rO >Using the "convert" method requires you stay in front of your terminal for the  >whole process.o   No it doesn't!   $ create batchjob.coms $ convert/doc (etc.) $ ^Z $ submit batchjobn  K This does bring up a different topic.  In Unix one normally does something e like:     
  command &  K for a situation like this (don't want to wait around, want a bunch to run).-I On VMS you have to either create the DCL file and SUBMIT it (best route),nK or do a RUN/DETACHED (which is awkward if there are command line parameters-K involved), or spawn/nowait (which will be killed if the mother process logstH out.)  I think that  "PIPE command &" is equivalent to SPAWN/NOWAIT, but don't know for sure.  0 So it would be nice if there was something like:  : $ batch convert/doc file1.txt/form=blah file2.txt/form=wah   ande   $ batch/deck=foo convert/doc (etc.) convert/doc (etc.) convert/doc (etc.) fool  K (Similar topic - it would be nice if the current DECK worked in interactiveiK sessions - right now it's batch only - for no good reason that I can see. )t  0 The distinctions between BATCH and SUBMIT being:  C BATCH would create a temporary file somewhere based on the input ity6   receives (rather than being told the name of a file)G BATCH would automatically do SET DEF to the default directory in effecteF   when the BATCH command was issued BEFORE it ran any of the commands.8   (That temporary file would begin with $ set def XXXX )C The command line(s) that BATCH accepts will have already been fullyt+   processed by DCL before they are stored. u) Default for BATCH would be /NOLOG/NOPRINT    Just a thought,0   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:20:27 -0300r) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br- Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMSL Message-ID: <OFE747EFBE.706E3735-ON83256968.005F11D9@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H Oh yeas.. you=B4re right ! ! ! I was thinking in porting mode from Adob= ec creating .PDF files ) using a printer driver (95/98/NT) etc ...   
 Fabio Cardosoe Analista de Suported              C mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) em 28/09/2000 11:53:23b  / Favor responder a mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu H                                                                        =     =20eH                                                                        =     =20dH                                                                        =     =20     @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: PDF under OpenVMS                              =20@                                                              =20           =-    
 In articleA <OF1A4990E5.AD801BD7-ON83256967.0063EA8E@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,i+ fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:R6 >I am saying to generate a .PDF file under OpenVMS ... >BB >$ PRINT REPORT.TXT/QUE=3DPDF$PRINT/PARAMETER=3D(DISK:[DIRECTORY]) >s  H Wouldn't it make more sense to add that feature to CONVERT, whose funct= ionL. is, not surprisingly, to convert file formats?   Since you can already do  >  $ convert/document REPORT.TXT/form=3Dtext REPORT.PS/form=3Dps  ) then this would be the logical extension:   @  $ convert/document REPORT.TXT/form=3Dtext REPORT.PDF/form=3Dpdf    H The point this discussion makes clear is that since DCPS is back inside=  A Compaq they should seize the opportunity to centralize the formatdH conversion facilities so that CONVERT, PRINT, and VIEW all use the same=   core.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edui> Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech       =e   ------------------------------   Date: 28 SEP 2000 19:43:19 GMT6 From: greenwoodde@feda34.fed.ornl.gov (Dave Greenwood) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS2 Message-ID: <28SEP00.19431956@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  3 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) wrote:g [snip]M > This does bring up a different topic.  In Unix one normally does something n	 > like:  n >  S >  command & >  gM > for a situation like this (don't want to wait around, want a bunch to run).OK > On VMS you have to either create the DCL file and SUBMIT it (best route), M > or do a RUN/DETACHED (which is awkward if there are command line parameters M > involved), or spawn/nowait (which will be killed if the mother process logs3J > out.)  I think that  "PIPE command &" is equivalent to SPAWN/NOWAIT, but > don't know for sure. >  s2 > So it would be nice if there was something like: >  -< > $ batch convert/doc file1.txt/form=blah file2.txt/form=wah [snip]  F You might check out the BATCH utility on the Freeware disk.  It's been= around (originally on DECUS tapes, IIRC) since at least 1985.5   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVnH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:25:42 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>l Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS) Message-ID: <39D362F6.6AC6EEAB@uiowa.edu>C   David Mathog wrote:e > ] > In article <39D3065D.D814795@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:rM > >Another advantage of using a queue as a PS->PDF document processor is loadrQ > >management/distribution. You can let the cluster queue manager spread the laodmP > >of jobs amongst the various nodes, and more importantly, you can submit a jobN > >which will run at a lower priority. You can submit a whole bunch of jobs toZ > >run while you're away, and possible create individual log files for later verification. > >hQ > >Using the "convert" method requires you stay in front of your terminal for theo > >whole process.o >  > No it doesn't! >  > $ create batchjob.comC > $ convert/doc (etc.) > $ ^Z > $ submit batchjobo > L > This does bring up a different topic.  In Unix one normally does something > like:w >  >  command &  5 What about on OpenVMS v7.x, just do the "same" thing?0   $ pipe command &   rick -- rH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:38:53 GMTM- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)b Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS1 Message-ID: <39d3b92a.114705267@swen.process.com>s  B On 28 SEP 2000 19:43:19 GMT, greenwoodde@feda34.fed.ornl.gov (Dave Greenwood) wrote:d  4 >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) wrote: >[snip]tN >> This does bring up a different topic.  In Unix one normally does something 
 >> like:   >>  
 >>  command &e >>  N >> for a situation like this (don't want to wait around, want a bunch to run).L >> On VMS you have to either create the DCL file and SUBMIT it (best route),N >> or do a RUN/DETACHED (which is awkward if there are command line parametersN >> involved), or spawn/nowait (which will be killed if the mother process logsK >> out.)  I think that  "PIPE command &" is equivalent to SPAWN/NOWAIT, but= >> don't know for sure.= >>  3 >> So it would be nice if there was something like:< >>  = >> $ batch convert/doc file1.txt/form=blah file2.txt/form=wah7 >[snip]o >nG >You might check out the BATCH utility on the Freeware disk.  It's beene> >around (originally on DECUS tapes, IIRC) since at least 1985. >iB If you're referring to mine (and I think you are) it's just called; BAT, and it lets you easily do commands like the one above.a? It also lets you specify multiple commands on the command line,n separated by "|":o  > $ bat/que=whatever cc myprog|link myprog|copy myprog.exe disk:  7 It can also prompt you for the commands to be executed:n   $ bat  _Command: cc myprog  _Command: link myprog  _Command: copy myprog.exe disk:t _Command: [RETURN]9 Job BATCHTMP_2020002A (queue SYS$BATCH, entry 12) started, $p  / I have found it most invaluable over the years.s  & It's on the Freeware CD and also here:  ! http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/l& ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/bat.zip. ftp://ftp.process.com/wku/vms/fileserv/bat.zip2 ftp://ftp.tmk.com/ftp-wku-edu/vms/fileserv/bat.zip   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/e: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:20:29 GMT 5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>a Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS8 Message-ID: <5nn7tsks06qm2dngb0mhgid2qnktcbquh3@4ax.com>  A On 28 Sep 2000 18:03:06 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davidm Mathog) wrote:    1 >So it would be nice if there was something like:a >,; >$ batch convert/doc file1.txt/form=blah file2.txt/form=waho >r >and >  >$ batch/deck=foom >convert/doc (etc.)s >convert/doc (etc.)i >convert/doc (etc.)d >foo > L >(Similar topic - it would be nice if the current DECK worked in interactiveL >sessions - right now it's batch only - for no good reason that I can see. ) >,1 >The distinctions between BATCH and SUBMIT being:  >tD >BATCH would create a temporary file somewhere based on the input it7 >  receives (rather than being told the name of a file) H >BATCH would automatically do SET DEF to the default directory in effectG >  when the BATCH command was issued BEFORE it ran any of the commands.o9 >  (That temporary file would begin with $ set def XXXX )iD >The command line(s) that BATCH accepts will have already been fully, >  processed by DCL before they are stored. * >Default for BATCH would be /NOLOG/NOPRINT >c  ? BAT will do some of this.  the rest could perhaps be hacked in.n. and/or  perhaps w/ the right login.com tweaks.     (   ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/BAT.ZIP  ! $ mcr tooldisk:[tools.exe]bat.exey _Command: set noon" _Command: @sys$manager:sylogin.com _Command: ^ZF Job BATCHTMP_00000160 (queue SYS$BATCH, entry 26) started on SYS$BATCH $    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:57:46 -0500,7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>j Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS- Message-ID: <39D3E90A.A078900F@earthlink.net>f   JF Mezei wrote:  > L > Another advantage of using a queue as a PS->PDF document processor is loadP > management/distribution. You can let the cluster queue manager spread the laodO > of jobs amongst the various nodes, and more importantly, you can submit a jobtM > which will run at a lower priority. You can submit a whole bunch of jobs to Y > run while you're away, and possible create individual log files for later verification.e > P > Using the "convert" method requires you stay in front of your terminal for the > whole process.  H EXECSYMB would be useful here, though I don't currently know if its evenB possible to create a generic server queue. I suppose it should be; however, I've never tried it.e   -- f David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:00:12 -0500t7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>O Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS- Message-ID: <39D3E99C.2F81FD1E@earthlink.net>   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > K > Both methods of generating .PDF files : PRINT and CONVERT command will be-
 > welcome.I > And in my country PS is not much popular .... people here prefer .PDF !v  F I don't think I've ever seen a printer that accepts PDF instead of PS.   -- 4 David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 03:17:27 GMTh2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <bRTA5.123$53.44986@typhoon.aracnet.com>  6 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:, > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >> hL >> Both methods of generating .PDF files : PRINT and CONVERT command will be >> welcome.(J >> And in my country PS is not much popular .... people here prefer .PDF !  H > I don't think I've ever seen a printer that accepts PDF instead of PS.  K True, however my guess is that he's not talking about printing the result. -G Rather he's talking about people viewing the file on their computer, in H which case PDF is the preferred format (well, OK, not on VMS, but pretty! much on any other modern system).    			Zaneg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:57:14 -0400e* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONE- Message-ID: <39D3867A.82D3AFE5@tsoft-inc.com>i   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > L > I'm sure this is a stupid question, but...  Exactly what privileges does aN > user account need to be able to use PHONE?  I'm getting the following error. > K >                             OpenVMS Phone Facility            27-SEP-2000t > %i3 > You do not have the privilege to place that call.i > I > This is on a Alpha running OpenVMS V7.2.  I tried RTFM, but that didn't G > seem to help :^(  Worse the Wizard and DejaNews don't seem to either.  > 0 > Everything works fine from the SYSTEM account.  G Ha!  Use a big enough hammer, and you can drive a nail head first!  :-)g  O Normal default privs are TMPMBX and NETMBX.  Not sure which if either are used,gO but with them phone seems to work fine.  Are these set up for the user account?    Dave   -- s4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:35:58 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONE4 Message-ID: <2ROA5.114$53.40110@typhoon.aracnet.com>  9 Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote:b, >  Check if PHONE.EXE is properly installed:
 > $ INSTAL >> LIST PHONE/FULL  : >  and must see in the privilege list (at least have it in > on-hand system):
 > - SYSNAM
 > - PRMMBX	 > - WORLDi > - OPER
 > - NETMBX  3 In followup to this and the other two, replies.....l  J I'm just trying to PHONE a user on the same node, haven't gotten as far as( trying to PHONE someone on another node.  = Both user accounts in question have the following privileges:r Authorized Privileges: T   NETMBX       TMPMBX  Default Privileges:    NETMBX       TMPMBXl   $ instal INSTALL> LIST PHONE/FULL  * DISK$ALPHASYS3:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE>.EXE*    PHONE;1          Open Hdr SharAddr Prv '         Entry access count         = 15u*         Current / Maximum shared   = 0 / 1&         Global section count       = 25         Privileges = SYSNAM PRMMBX WORLD OPER NETMBX n5         Authorized = SYSNAM PRMMBX WORLD OPER NETMBX  )         Resident section count     = 0000a  	 INSTALL> t   Needless to say, I'm stumped.    			Zaner   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:58:35 -0700s7 From: "Arthur E. Ragosta" <ragosta@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>s( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONE3 Message-ID: <39D3BF0B.EC8913F2@merlin.arc.nasa.gov>c   "Zane H. Healy" wrote:$ instal   > INSTALL> LIST PHONE/FULL >u, > DISK$ALPHASYS3:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE>.EXE+ >    PHONE;1          Open Hdr SharAddr Prv ) >         Entry access count         = 15 , >         Current / Maximum shared   = 0 / 1( >         Global section count       = 26 >         Privileges = SYSNAM PRMMBX WORLD OPER NETMBX6 >         Authorized = SYSNAM PRMMBX WORLD OPER NETMBX+ >         Resident section count     = 0000  >:
 > INSTALL>   ...kN This looks correct.  Just a word to the wise... Lot's of error messages suffer  B from lazy-programmer syndrome and may not be 100% accurate.  I.e.,G the "privilege" reference in the error message could be a quota problem-B or someother problem having nothing to do with privileges, but the> programmer trapped a condition that he assumed would be caused by a privilege problem.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:23:17 -040000 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>< Subject: Re: Questions about LN20 and no answer from GenicomC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-EC3F01.15231728092000@news.compaq.com>o  F In article <200009270616.IAA09392@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert  <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:  G > I have made some question to Genicom about the LN20, but did not get n
 > any answer.s  C All questions about Digital- and Compaq-branded printers should be .B directed to Compaq.  Genicom no longer provides support for these 	 printers.e  8 > Where can we get the newest one driver for Windows xy?  > The Compaq Web site has LN20 Windows and Macintosh drivers at:  G    http://www.compaq.com/products/printers/software/prt_swdrv_ln20.htmlC  ( > Is there any driver, tool for UNIX xy?  H There is a Unix application called RTEL that ships with the LN20 and is " available at the GENICOM Web site.  ! > (The same question for OpenVMS)o  ? DECprint Supervisor (DCPS) has supported the LN20 since V1.5-1.   : > Is there any possibility to manage the printer remotely?  E It depends on what you want to manage.  Remote Control Software from  H GENICOM is an SNMP-based management tool.  Many printers have their own E Web page; I forget offhand whether the LN20 has one or not.  You can mB also connect to the LN20 network card via Telnet to configure the  printer.  A > Within two guides are a reference to different guides, where a :D > remote console should be described. The first reference is a LN20 G > Operators Guide, the second one a Remote Console User's Guide. Where kE > can I find this guides (I did not find them on the LN20 CD)? There  C > is only a LN20 Operations manual on the CD, but there is nothing c$ > written about the remote console.   # LN20 documentation can be found at:u  E    http://www.compaq.com/products/printers/support/prt_docs_ln20.html   B In article <39D2AF16.A3A013FC@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" $ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  C > Genicom is in Chapter 11, and probably hasn't a lot of resources e > available right now.  E The laser printer and line printer parts of GENICOM Corporation have sC been sold and are now GENICOM LLC.  I'm not sure of the Chapter 11 aG status of the old corporation, as they sold or are liquidating it, but r" the new GENICOM is alive and well.   Paul   -- m,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:52:25 -0400 ; From: "Everhart, Glenn (FUSA)" <GlennEverhart@FirstUSA.com>. Subject: Safety SPDiN Message-ID: <4B279CF3578CD211B945009027178017046CFFD0@swilnts809.wil.fusa.com>  3 The readme files with Safety are a bit old now. Ther< intent originally was that it should be free to individuals,A nonprofit groups, and anyone who has ever done anything for DECUS 9 (which includes I should think the bulk of readers here).   : However to make it clear, Safety is hereby free, though if7 someone wants support from me for it, that is not; they < can contact me via email (everhart@gce.com) to arrange such.  A There are some problems with zmenu breaking in vms 7.2, so I will7J try shortly to re-kit the thing. The zmenu.zip at ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileservJ should work fine on 7.2, and a recent vms sigtape has the vms 7.2 objects.  > A posting mentioning charges should in fairness have mentionedB the exceptions, which cover a heck of a lot. I think they exemptedH some commercial use also. I'd rather have the package used than ignored.  C New features, extensions, and quieter operation: for those you needhB to contact me and if you are a moneymaking outfit, give me some...8 There are a number of such I have but have not released. GlennN Everhart@gce.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:51:31 -0500m7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>s Subject: Re: Safety SPDV- Message-ID: <39D3E793.9DBB9267@earthlink.net>i   Peter Weaver wrote:v > 9 > "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> wrote in messagel# > news:39CFA3CE.5AF8172F@GCE.com... ? > > I was surprised to get an email that someone thought SafetyyE > > replaces the DELETE command. That is not the case; it changes thee2 > > filesystem semantics a bit for selected disks. > >sB > > Here is my SPD. If someone is interested in paying for support< > > that can be arranged, but in general I just give it out. > > > Glenn this looks like a great program and looks like it doesF > everything that the people in the thread "UNDELET (Was Re: SuggestedH > VMS new feature!)" seem to keep saying can not be done on a multi-user	 > system.   F No one says it cannot be done. OTOH, EVERYone - including Glenn - saysB it cannot be done SIMPLY (i.e., "in a simple way" or "with minimalG effort"). Ask Glenn how much time he put into Safety to get it where itp is..  D Be careful about making distinctions. Another example: "PURGE" means6 something entirely different to DCL as opposed to NCP.   -- t David J. Dachterar dba DJE SystemsA http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:34:51 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: Scsi Drivers.' Message-ID: <G1M9A3.4uv@spcuna.spc.edu>y  < Graham Harrison <graham.harrison@cheshdatasys.co.uk> writes:I > Are we ever going to get an OpenVMS driver for the 7800 (or is it 7900)h > series scsi channels on thelM > motherboards of DS20's and DS20E's?  Surly they are good enough for runningx > the I > internal CD and 5 1/2" bay, if not for running the shortage works shelfa > itself (DS20).  I   I was told they didn't work. They don't even show up at the SRM consolerH level on the two machines I have, and one of the boxes doesn't even have6 the parts stuffed on the mainboard (just empty space).  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.comd5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:16:24 -0300g) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brj/ Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS LogoeL Message-ID: <OFD32DB302.CB886B26-ON83256968.005EB8BE@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H It=B4s strange because www.openvms.com is not a Compaq URL ! Should be = thea OpenVMS portal, etc ....D And if nowadays the marketing says to sale a product you must have a Penguin on the  box.....  
 Fabio Cardosoe Analista de Suporteo                C mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) em 28/09/2000 12:24:02b  / Favor responder a mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduyH                                                                        =     =20"H                                                                        =     =20sH                                                                        =     =20t    @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo             =20@                                                              =20           =t    
 In articleA <OF6822E1F2.6DE56510-ON83256968.005065F5@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,t+ fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:t) >Is that shark really the OpenVMS symbol?B  D Well, it was at one point, but since the logo does not appear on theH OpenVMS page at www.openvms.compaq.com or anywhere in the most recent i= ssueH of the OpenVMS Times it may have been deemphasized or dropped by Compaq= .h  # > This means: skarks eat penguins ;i  H I doubt there are many sharks in the waters around Antarctica. Penguins=  H living in South American and Africa probably have shark problems though= .    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduA> Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech       =s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:51:59 -0300o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br-/ Subject: RE: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS LogomL Message-ID: <OFEDFFDDDA.E22F7763-ON83256968.006790EB@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  J Nobody understood my analogy between sharks x penguins (OpenVMS x Linux) . . . :-(=   Fabio C.                  : "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> em 28/09/2000 13:26:19L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: RE: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo              >                                                                              > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Chuck Chopp [mailto:ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com] 6 > Actually, according to a recent trip to Sea World inD > Cleveland (formerly Akron, now a suburb of Cleveland) Ohio, killer? > whales are the big predators of penguins.  They even showed a1    @ I thought Seaworld was in Aurora, Ohio located between Akron and? Cleveland and, most importantly, due west of beautiful downtowna" Hiram, Ohio home of Hiram College.       Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:38:53 -0500e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ' Subject: Re: Suggested VMS new feature! - Message-ID: <39D3E49D.245BE802@earthlink.net>    "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  > M >         While it is, of course, possible for multiple users to share a UIC, I > any system manager who creates such accounts deserves the consequences!o  E There are a surprising number of applications out there which require H that all users (or that groups of similar users) have the same UIC. Weak or non-existant security model.V  E Seems the developers "forgot to remember" that the application is notpF the system, and that other applications may live on the same system as6 theirs. Not to mention the "multi-company" paradigm...  ( Kinda sounds like WhineDoze, doesn't it?   -- r David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:13:17 +0100o1 From: "Graham HAZLEGREAVES" <qg38@dial.pipex.com>-" Subject: Re: Teaming gigabit nic's) Message-ID: <8r0g3d$ous$1@lure.pipex.net>.  ? "Martin Vorlaender" <martin@radiogaga.harz.de> wrote in message35 news:39d2a717.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de...eH > The latest versions of TCPware and Multinet implement a feature calledJ > "paired network interface support". It doesn't exactly do load balancingG > (only insofar that, in sending, the other interface is used if one is.. > busy), but builds on the idea of redundancy. >eJ We have TCPWARE V5.4, but it's only installed on a litlle Alphaserver 2000L running OpenVMS 7.2-1.  The system is being used by one of our dba's to test5 the latest release of Oracle (which requires V7.2-1).h  I I think a little reading and perhaps a call to Process Tech Support is ino order.   Thanks for your help.	   Cheers.-  	 Graham H.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:42:29 -0400b- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e6 Subject: Re: Terminal driver: clear typeahead buffer ?, Message-ID: <39D3D764.9623C09D@videotron.ca>   Chris Doran wrote:F > If you purely want to flush the buffer without reading anything, useI > IO$_READxBLK|IO$M_PURGE|IO$M_TIMED, with timeout = 0. IIRC you can then H > also set the receive buffer address and length to 0 without risk of an	 > ACCVIO.h  ( Thanks ! exactly what I was looking for.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:07:26 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brj+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilegL Message-ID: <OFD8651838.761EE5EF-ON83256968.00636B96@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H What is this Light Ball ???? I am lost ....It=B4s a kind of souvenir ??=    
 Fabio Cardosoc              > "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@STELCO.CA> em 28/09/2000 12:38:50  9 Favor responder a "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@STELCO.CA> H                                                                        =     =20-H                                                                        =     =20 H                                                                        =     =20     @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: This list participants profile                 =20@                                                              =20           =T    F I never admit to being over the age of 13 (my father spent a long timeC at the age of 29 and when he retired from work he jumped from 29 toEF 31, since my father was so young my oldest sister was never allowed toF get beyond "almost 16," the next stayed at "nearly 16," then "close toF 16" and I forget the rest but being the youngest of 6 kids I stayed at 13).  D When my VMS Light Ball arrived the other day my wife said I was only 10.c    My first VMS box was 9-JUL-1984.           =,   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:17:52 -03002) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br.+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilejL Message-ID: <OF2CE7E165.D9BB150A-ON83256968.00639A3D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  ? The truth is : companies are not really interested  in low TCO,H high-availability, etc ....3H the companies need to show they have a mess of computers with "advanced=   technologies",H  hundreds of professionals, etc .... the job market must grow to Unix/N= T  ... I know becauseH  I am a rare OpenVMS Manager in my country.  Even I worked with Solaris=  and NT I prefer toH  work with OVMS. The problem nowadays is: the  company I am working for=  is 
 not makingH much investmenst in OpenVMS ... so in  few years I=B4ll need to leave t= hisa job and go abroad orH where OVMS survives....because every time I log in an Unix server I fee= le like entering ar  "not finished operating system".  
 Fabio Cardosop Analista de Suporte               C malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg) em 28/09/2000 14:40:05dH                                                                        =     =20,H                                                                        =     =20jH                                                                        =     =20s    @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: This list participants profile                 =20@                                                              =20           =.    7 In article <39D36312.F5B67F8B@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn ! <tim.llewellyn#bbc.co.uk> writes:  >5= > 38, VMS since 1983, only 6 months without VMS in that time,l8 > , might have better career prospects if I'd stuck with5 > NT and unix, then again I might be mad by now also.   ; Of course the reasoning behind many places deploying NT andd9 UNIX is because of the quantity of people available, theyt can pay lower wages for them.n   -Johnf wb8tyw@qsl.network       =h   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2000 15:53:35 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilen+ Message-ID: <Nxzh5KQhy68l@eisner.decus.org>   x In article <OF8AF50520.400155E2-ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:D > What's the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because- > everybody looks like experiencied > 30 ... qD > I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a veteran)... and inH > my job I am alone. There're 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 1 > 30s), 8 guys to manage the NT servers (20-24)  r0 > and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers.... >   B I'm 29 (10th anniversary) working with VMS since 1980 (college).  > Did timesharing on teletypes via modems to PDPs starting back 3 in the 1975 timeframe.  (junior high / high school)y Professional VMSing since 1987.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:08:16 GMTp/ From: "Andrew C. Stoffel" <acs@cyberportal.net>o+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile-D Message-ID: <acs-92B3AD.15071828092000@premium.news.fcgnetworks.net>  ' [Can I play too ?] I'm only 35 :-) ....   @ I've only known about VMS for 15 years (Didn't do much more thanC e-mail between '85 & '89 while a student...) and I think it's been a9 only 10 years since I became aware of comp.os.vms :-)....   C I "inherited" the management of an ALL-IN-1 system some time in '91yC (I'd gotten bored with late '80's style networking and was looking h;  for a challenge -- oops ) and after cleaning up that mess oC  started learning system management and ended up with a "real" (ie. #  paying/official) job doing it.....m  A  For the last 5 years I've been working for a software vendor/ISVvF  that until recently was primarily VMS based (Our primary VMS product,D  a student records/management system (Called "POISE") started out onB  RSTS in the late '70's) doing assorted VMS related things (System=  setup/conversions from VAXen to Alphas, etc) for customers. o  <  And this is the first year I've managed to convince someone8  to pay for a trip to the event formerly known as DECUS.  A  [And I must be on the wrong mailing lists @ Compaq because even  G   doing the Compaq Alpha/VMS ASE certification "thing" I haven't gotteno1   anything VMS related from Compaq in years.....]a   -Andy-    , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  K > > I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . n/ > > Whats the average age of all people here ?E   -- BH ------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 19:08:23 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)o+ Subject: Re: This list participants profileo, Message-ID: <8r04v7$18pq$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  0 In article <009F0C3C.94EA3B74@SendSpamHere.ORG>,@  system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:{ |> In article <OF8AF50520.400155E2-ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:i |>  B |> >            There're 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above	 |> > 30s)  |> e4 |> Chalk one up to quality unix engineering (sneer).  F You know, outside your closed little world these remarks just make youG look silly.  I administer Unix, Windows and yes, even VMS systems.  The G Unix systems are evry bit as stable as the VMS box.  Most of my time is G spent babysitting the Windows boxes.  I have Unix boxes here (includingxE our department web, news and authentication servers) that I never log C into and that only get rebooted once a year when we have our annual.F major power shutdown.  While VMS has advantages and even features thatE Unix doesn't have, Unix is not the buggy, non-functional OS some here  would like everyone to believe.s  G For small to medium size installations in particular, Unix is every bitpH as capable as VMS in meeting the needs of the customer.  Maybe if peopleG took their heads out of the sand they might see that this is the reasoneF why VMS needs to develop a source of applications like those availableD on Unix. You can sit around all you want singing "VMS is better than6 Unix", but the rest of the world just isn't listening.   bill   -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 19:14:04 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)r+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilef, Message-ID: <8r059s$18pq$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  - In article <39D2B3B0.FAC98B39@earthlink.net>,K:  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: |>  = |>          In general, though, the bulk of us are "over 30".  |> e  < Boy is that an understatement.  I was "over 30" before I saw< my first VMS machine,  Which may go a long way to explain my fondness for PDP-11's.   bill   -- 8J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   .   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 19:21:00 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)1+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilei, Message-ID: <8r05ms$18pq$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>   OK, here's my curricula vita:   
 50 years old.": Worked with computers off and on since 1971.  Started with< IBM 1401 and Univac 1005.  First used VMS in the early 80's.< Been administering a couple of small VAX/VMS systems for the last couple years.     bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:26:42 +0000 (GMT)E, From: Bill McLaughlin <mcbill20@hotmail.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile 5 Message-ID: <F20DhgAjtmPcTcMeYun00006ef5@hotmail.com>   K 36, RSTS/E V06C in high school, TOPS-10, VMS since 1985 (3.7)-- sys admin, nJ programming, spent a couple of years at the DEC CSC on the language team, B VMS runs my house; NT admin, enough Solaris admin to be dangerous.  I _________________________________________________________________________tI Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.p  D Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at  http://profiles.msn.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:39:48 -0400e- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> + Subject: Re: This list participants profiles/ Message-ID: <st77k7gvie6sdc@corp.supernews.com>   6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OFD8651838.761EE5EF-ON83256968.00636B96@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...D > What is this Light Ball ???? I am lost ....Its a kind of souvenir ??  F The rubber ball with lights inside and "Compaq OpenVMS" stamped on it.) If you submitted your name and address on1C http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvmstimes/subscribe.html then youSC would have received one. I do not know if people who are signing upO now will still get a ball.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:48:38 +0200p0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilem* Message-ID: <39D3A096.C4A9298B@Easynet.fr>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >  ../.. # > Its just a market curiosity ....   B Fabio, you remind me someone nickmamed DTL who used to work at DECE during the 80'. He was noisy trying to demonstrate that the VMS world 9 was the most wonderful one (actually I believe it is :-).   E What do you wish to say or obtain? You post twice the number of posts  than the others here... :-)    Anyway,:  G I'm 50 next november, I started with V2.5 in 1981 at DASSAULT Aircrafts D in France, when I installed their first 750. We were moving from PDP@ 11-44 / RSX-11M V3 / Fortran IV / Basic-2 to VAX land. Amaising!  B Today I teach OpenVMS. Tomorrow I'm thinking of opening an OpenVMSB advanced training center in France as GKN doesn't propose advancedG training because "Compaq France doesn't want to, and they don't want tooE sell us the documentation" (sic). So I will *buy* the necessary books E from Digital Press and build my own training material. I guess COMPAQpG will not give me the "authorized training vendor" certificate, but whatp	 the heck?l   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:52:01 +0200l0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilea* Message-ID: <39D3A162.21DD6730@Easynet.fr>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  8 >../.. because every time I log in an Unix server I feel > like entering a-" > "not finished operating system".   Please stop.   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:56:19 GMT:= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile 0 Message-ID: <009F0CED.1ACF4FEC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <8r04v7$18pq$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:1 >In article <009F0C3C.94EA3B74@SendSpamHere.ORG>,aA > system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:i| >|> In article <OF8AF50520.400155E2-ON83256967.0066154A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: >|> C >|> >            There're 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 
 >|> > 30s) >|> 5 >|> Chalk one up to quality unix engineering (sneer).  >dG >You know, outside your closed little world these remarks just make you H >look silly.  I administer Unix, Windows and yes, even VMS systems.  The  . You're reading between the lines again Bill!    H >Unix systems are evry bit as stable as the VMS box.  Most of my time is  H Where, pray do tell, did I say there was a stability issue?  You'd get aI whole lot farther with your argument if you stop interjecting things that  simply were not said!  s    H >spent babysitting the Windows boxes.  I have Unix boxes here (includingF >our department web, news and authentication servers) that I never logD >into and that only get rebooted once a year when we have our annualG >major power shutdown.  While VMS has advantages and even features that3F >Unix doesn't have, Unix is not the buggy, non-functional OS some here  >would like everyone to believe.  F Again, PUHLEEZ show where I said this.  I believe the issue here was aF question of system to management ratio -- not one of stability.  Unix,F as a whole, with its utilities born of a multitude of sexual partners 2 generally seems to require much more attendance.    G There must be some justification to this.  Companies don't want to pissbF away money on under-utilized system management staff so, there must beG a much more difficult to manage aspect of these machines?  Of course, I G could be wrong and these companies just haven't a clue that they are in-G the business of simply providing the unemployment office with fewer re-0H cipients to be paid out of the cofers.  If the latter Bill, you ought toG get out of Scranton and visit these companies as an efficience consult-nH ant.  Many companies will pay you a sizable percentage of the monies you could save them.    H >For small to medium size installations in particular, Unix is every bitI >as capable as VMS in meeting the needs of the customer.  Maybe if people H >took their heads out of the sand they might see that this is the reasonG >why VMS needs to develop a source of applications like those available_E >on Unix. You can sit around all you want singing "VMS is better thanf7 >Unix", but the rest of the world just isn't listening.6  G Basing an operating system superiority debate upon the number of appli-4H cations available is like basing superiority of the VW bug over Ferarri 1 offerings based on the available color schemes.      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:03:04 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) + Subject: Re: This list participants profile 0 Message-ID: <009F0CEE.0C1FF278@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <8r05ms$18pq$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: >OK, here's my curricula vita: >  >50 years old.; >Worked with computers off and on since 1971.  Started with   = You worked with computers off!  So you were a service techie?t  ? Oops, perhaps I should retract that.  I wouldn't want to be ac- ? cused of interjecting statements that were never made... unlike  some posters.  ;)   A C'mon Bill, lighten up.  After all, this *is* only a newsgroup.  e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:11:32 GMTh5 From: "Larry D Bohan, Jr" <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com>m+ Subject: Re: This list participants profileo8 Message-ID: <q667ts8p0i59avm12tiiibd0qrlt44o5up@4ax.com>  # On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:40:50 -0300,n* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  I >I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . .  >yC >Whats the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because- >everybody looks like2F >experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a >veteran)... and intK >my job I am alone. Therere 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 30s)e >, 8 guys to manage>G >the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers....h >a" >Its just a market curiosity .... >d >Fabio Cardoso >Analista de Suporte >t   to add another data point.     37 years old, - VMS user since 1982;  priv'd user since 1987.U+ that'd be almost  ~19 and  ~14 yrs roughly.O  + the  ratio of system mgrs (nie "SysAdmin") t/ to the number of systems, would be interesting . to hear about.   y  - the numbers at your site, sound very typical,a% but everyone's usage varies I think. o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:25:24 -0300V) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilenL Message-ID: <OFDC9D63FF.549BBF6C-ON83256968.00648F92@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Ok  H We have 8 guys for Windows NT/2000/Terminal Server. About 40 servers  -=  I am not sure the right numberH  because the company is buying 8 Proliant 8500 only for Terminal Server= .  And we have NT servers  on the oil platforms (about 40).  H About 8 guys for Unix and they manage the servers (about 15: one  IBM S= P,# four Origin/Onyx, the rest RS/6000) 4 and more than one hundred workstations (SGI and Sun)    : There=B4re a few legacy: Mumps. SCO, but are less than 10.    
 Fabio Cardoso  Analista de Suporte0                      > wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) em 28/09/2000 14:48:49H                                                                        =     =20rH                                                                        =     =20 H                                                                        =     =20     @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: This list participants profile                 =20@                                                              =20           =5    , fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote inA <OFF0ECDD63.B4D20E26-ON83256968.005CCE12@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>:Q  
 >Hi Warren >sH >I manage two 4100 5/600 with 4 processors each (4 GB and 6 GB of RAM).=  , >About 200 GB in disk  (StorageWorks) but weH >will migrate to EMC. About 2500 users in my system, but 500 running sa= me >time (250/250). >iA >I hope next year the company will buy a GS80 to subst. these two(
 >machines. >aF >I work at Compaq (Brazil) - Customer Services - in an oil exploration >company (Petrobras) > H >We have more than one hundred VMS / OpenVMS machines (from MicroVax to=   >small Alphas) in H >the oil platforms as real time stations to industrial automation but I=   >dont manage them. I remeber> >last year we upgraded a MicroVax with 2 years without reboot. >h >Regards >  >Fabio Cardoso >  >c >9 >r >  >- >-? >wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) em 28/09/2000 11:56:55r >  >d >  >S >f >  >s >b >o  > Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >r< > cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada) >m >w >c- > Assunto: Re: This list participants profile5 >) >. >  >' >o >  >w >Fabio,M >oE >I'm interested in your numbers.  How many of each type of box do yous? >have? (I'm wondering about the manager-to-box ratio.)  Thanks.a >e >wso >o   fabio,  H I asked the wrong question - sorry.  I'm interested in knowing how many=  NTdH boxes your company has, vrs. how many NT administrators;  how many unix=  2 boxes, vrs. how many unix administrators.  Thanks,   ws   -- << Boycott Shampoo >>  << Demand REAL POO >>a       =    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:52:04 -0400k: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>+ Subject: RE: This list participants profileaK Message-ID: <91A9507020DBD311992F0008C709517C545BB6@MBCALBEXC00.BENDER.COM>t  
 42 years old.i  4 VMS user since 1977 or so, when I was in college at 2 Rochester Institute of Technology. (They replaced + their Xerox Sigma 9 with some sort of VAX.)v   Priv'd user since 1980.     System Manager/Admin since 1982.  4 Never worked at a site with more than 3 OpenVMS/VMS 2 system managers.  (The largest site had a cluster 2 of over 100 nodes, with 3 VAX 6400's and numerous 2 VAXstations, and a few experimental AXPstations.  0 It was beyond the cluster code at the time, and - require some custom Digital consulting time.)e  / In most of my prior jobs and in work with past e5 clients, the ratio of system managers to systems was -/ 1 to many.  The many probably averaged about 8,-4 which looking on it from another angle... it is not 1 very unusal when dealing with 7 by 24 by OO type d systems.   :) jck
 John Koska* Matthew Bender, a part of LEXIS Publishing JKoska@bender.comi   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2000 17:58:58 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)i+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile2+ Message-ID: <c2IIEY$qwhGY@eisner.decus.org>_  ` In article <8r059s$18pq$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:/ > In article <39D2B3B0.FAC98B39@earthlink.net>,o< >  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: > |> i? > |>          In general, though, the bulk of us are "over 30".  > |> i > > > Boy is that an understatement.  I was "over 30" before I saw> > my first VMS machine,  Which may go a long way to explain my > fondness for PDP-11's.   Fondness is based on features.  F When I moved from the PDP-8 to the Data General Nova, I was enthralled" with the self-relative addressing.  F When I moved from the Data General Nova to the PDP-11 I was enthralledJ with the multiple registers (accumulators) and symmetric addressing modes.  F When I moved from the PDP-11 to the VAX I was enthralled with the lack of overlays to keep filling up.l  I Somewhere in there I also did TOPS-10 and VMS was a disappointment in ther6 area of Print and Batch.  Thankfully it is better now.  E I am 55 and first used VMS in 1978 or 1979.  My first task was to fixfG a device driver. The vendor had never tested it on anything but unit 0.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:09:20 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> + Subject: Re: This list participants profileh' Message-ID: <39D3B380.3C0830A3@iee.org>n  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:A > Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS since 7BC.  ;)d  , I like to learn something knew every day ...3 thank you for teaching me today that the calculatori! accessory on W98 really sucks :-)a   Antonioj   ---------------p- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org2   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Sep 2000 15:17:23 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)w+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile , Message-ID: <aiziU334ON+m@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  ( In article <39D3B380.3C0830A3@iee.org>, 0    "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:   >  > ( > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:B >> Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS since 7BC.  ;) > . > I like to learn something knew every day ...5 > thank you for teaching me today that the calculatora# > accessory on W98 really sucks :-)  > <    Why would the above statement require anything to do with a calculator on Windoze?   $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT %X"7BC" 1980  7   ps I'm 2C years old and also started with VMS in 7BC.i7 I worked on RSTS systems for about 5 years before that..   ------------------------------   Date: 28 SEP 2000 21:33:41 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilee6 Message-ID: <28SEP00.21334153@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:A > Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS since 7BC.  ;)s  D If %x7bc = 1980 that means you were a "pre-pube" of 8. Talk about anK early start! I suppose you're one of those who graduated from an Ivy league  college at age 16 too.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:01:25 +0000 (   ) 3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>.+ Subject: RE: This list participants profilefI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10009282154470.6046-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>V   Ok, I'll bite here.S  F I'm 23 currently.  Worked with VMS since about 6 years ago.  Decided IH needed to have my own VAX about 4 years ago after the initial shock wore< off. (Until then, I'd been mostly exposed to unix/microshaft windows/macintosh...)_  I If memory serves it's been approximately a year since I've actually _had_a) my own vax(en).  Yes, I now have several.t  F I've managed unix machines in a commercial enviroment in the past, butF I've never, at this point, had the good fortune to work in a VMS shop.  J (The place I'm working now isn't even really a unix shop.  Unfortunately, A most of the people here wouldn't know memory protection, a decenteE operating system, or a well-done manual if it fell on their heads. :)s   Regards,   ChrisO  O ===============================================================================o@ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmeru Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.w% -------------------------------------rI "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes andeH weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 nO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------s   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Sep 2000 00:25:48 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)c+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilee, Message-ID: <8r0nic$1in1$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  F How many Admins vs. how many systems??  Hmmm.  I can only speak for my- department and not the whole University, but:)  	 3 VAX/VMS  14 Servers running FreeBSD 12 boxes running Plan9 ~20 boxes running Amoeba% ~40 boxes running various flavors of x>                  WIN98|Win NT 4.0|Win 2000 (Client and Server)    And more being added every year.   1 SysAdmin.eC Oh yeah, I am also responsible for the network and all it's relatedn hardware, software and cabling.n  B And then there are also the PDP-11's, but their more personal than6 the departments even if they are in the lab here.  :-)   bill   -- qJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:13:16 -0400-* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilef- Message-ID: <39D3DE9C.F28C875F@tsoft-inc.com>a   "antonio.carlini" wrote: > ( > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:C > > Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS since 7BC.  ;)  > . > I like to learn something knew every day ...5 > thank you for teaching me today that the calculator-# > accessory on W98 really sucks :-)1  , Well, long before that, base16 really sucks.   7 * 256 + 11 * 16 + 12  / Which part of that did the calculator choke on?e   -- D4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:43:32 GMT52 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Trouble using VMSTPCE4 Message-ID: <U3OA5.110$53.40110@typhoon.aracnet.com>  J I'm trying to restore a tape image that was created with VMSTPCE to a TK50K tape.  I'm doing this on a VAXstation 4000/VLC running OpenVMS V7.2 with a kJ TZ30 drive attached.  The downside of all this is I've never used VMSTPCE K before though I have used TPC on RSX-11M once.  The tape container file wastJ created by someone else on a VMS box with a TZ30 drive.  Here is what I'm  getting:   $ sho dev mk  L Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntpL  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cntn. $12$MKA300:   (LNGTOM)  Online               0 $r $ mou/for mka300:/blocks=65536? %MOUNT-F-SZTOOBIG, record size or block size greater than 65534t $ mou/for mka300:/blocks=655343 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED,  mounted on _$12$MKA300: (LNGTOM)g $a $ tc TAPE1.CON mka300:$ Tape dump starting to MKA300:[TMP].;' %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter valuel $  $ tc/dir TAPE1.CON+ Container does not seem to be a know format  $   K Does anyone by any chance have any idea as to what I might be doing wrong? sL I'd tried earlier to write it to a 4mm DAT and was getting the same results,F but thought that the problem might have been going from TK50 to 4mm so decided to try the TZ30.   			ZaneC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:09:32 -0400t; From: "Everhart, Glenn (FUSA)" <GlennEverhart@FirstUSA.com>e9 Subject: RE: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)eN Message-ID: <4B279CF3578CD211B945009027178017046CFFCB@swilnts809.wil.fusa.com>  D The SPD I released is fairly old. Ditto the readme. Even then thoughD it said as I recall that Safety is free for individuals, nonprofits,9 anyone who has ever contributed anything to DECUS at all,a? and there was a fee only for those making profit on it. Chances , are that covers 80%+ of the readership here.  ; At this point I will state that it's free, period, but if asF company wants support for it they should contact me (everhart@gce.com)? and arrange such. Such support costs would depend on the numberw? of machines (since there would be more possible funny configs).a# (By this I mean machines used btw.)l  D The exceptions originally covered a helluva lot of ground, obviously= coverd hobby users way before there were hobby users, coveredi? nonprofits of all sorts (though I don't consider the governmentaA nonprofit). At the moment though, nobody has ever paid a cent foreB it, but I would like to see the code used somewhere besides my own systems.  J It would be nice to get something from the effort (which was considerable)F to put the package together but damfino how. I will add that there areA a number of enhancements I have kicking around, but if nobody hasy? interest in the package other than as debating material, I haveRB other ways to spend time than polishing them. A company paying for> support might however be able to get them. The prices were notC intended to break the bank anywhere, just to get something back andc3 in the bargain find out if anyone uses the package.u  A Leaving out the rather large group that had free use, though, andrB the part that talks about limited use even in for profit companies< for free (I recall putting such in, I hope correctly) is the6 kind of thing that the Administration has been doing.    Glenn Everhart Everhart@gce.com 302 659 0460 home              -----Original Message-----4 From: John Nixon [mailto:jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net]+ Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 11:03 AMp To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw9 Subject: Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)-    D With much appreciation for Glen's efforts, and with much respect forI Safety,  Safety is not free (without cheating Glen, which I would not do,l. and as many others are probably already doing)   snip (from Safety README.TXT)0? "... must pay a charge of $499 per Alpha CPU, $299 per VAX CPU, E to Glenn Everhart, 18 Colburn Ln, Hollis, NH 03049. They will then be J entitled to limited email support and to receive a version which will emit= fewer messages. Full support requires separate negotiations."r end snip  G We have a LOT of CPUs;  Even if you count a VAX 7860 (six CPUs) as one!8  I Also,  Our company requires justification for each expenditure, including I a synopsis of the viability of every new vendor.  That alone makes it not $ worth while for me to pursue Safety.  E Also, what I want, and what I stated several times is for UNDELETE to7F be a native part of VMS, supported by the best engineers in the world,4 and not requiring separate testing for each upgrade.  I I know I am coming off sounding stubborn, cheap, lazy, ungrageful  etc.... buthI this thread was merely meant to make a suggestion, express an opinion andoG to see if there were  any other people that thought UNDELETE would be ah! good idea to  incorporate in VMS.m    4 "D.Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message* news:8qvh7f$pv7$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk... >6  > Have I missed something here ?I > Isn't the UNDELETE facility that you are asking for already provided by F > Glenn Everhart's SAFETY product as he has pointed out on a number of	 occasionsy > in this thread.n >5 > From the safety SPD :- > L >           2. A deletion protection system provides a way to undelete filesH >           which were deleted by mistake and to optionally copy deletedK >           files to backup facilities before removal. Unlike all other VMSuJ >           "undelete" programs on the market, this facility does not relyC >           on finding the disk storage that contained the file andoJ >           reclaiming it before it is overwritten. Rather, it changes theF >           semantics of the file system delete to use a "wastebasket"F >                                                         ============H >           system and captures the file intact. Thus, this system works# >           reliably. No others do. 
 >           . 
 >           . 
 >           . . >           The Safety protection features areE >           fully integrated with the DPS subsystem, so that deletion=A >           protection does not involve destroying file security.0 > G >           3.  When space runs out, hasty decisions about what to keep J >           online often must be made, and the risk of accidentally losingC >           something important is high.   Safety protects you from K >           running out of space. Space can be monitored and older items in I >           the wastebasket deleted if it is becoming low, without manual  >           intervention.  >  > @ > What precisely are you looking for that this doesn't provide ? >a >_ > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >E   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:19:24 -0500t, From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>9 Subject: Re: UNDELET (Was Re: Suggested VMS new feature!)t' Message-ID: <39D3A7CC.3F3237D0@GCE.com>b  F I've just gotten thru a first pass at re-kitting Safety to incorporate@ the fixed zmenu (*needed for vms 7.2 on*) and to get the correct8 objects in there. I cannot find ANYWHERE these strings.   D I had intended at one time to sell Safety. Then I decided to release it widely, for free to x
 * individualsA * nonprofits/ * anyone who EVER contributed anything to DECUSi8 * any company that wanted to just use it for a few disks * anyone, at all, for 45 daysi  = This should I expect cover most of the group. The new kit has = no such notice at all, nor will it. This release is free, and)C I hope to keep it running. The kernel code has been on the sigtapes  anyway.A  ? I have some new functionality and if someone wants support fromC= me, they must pay for the time. Such people can expect to get = some added functions also which may or may not ever appear ins the free version..  A The old kit, by the way, was not time limited, has nothing coverth? in it. Still, my intent was to charge for machines where it wassA used for those with money and give it away to colleagues. But I'd=? rather have it used than ignored. I don't care of course if you = have 40 zillion CPUs; if you use Safety on a few, I will basea@ the cost of support on a few. Seeing I was in essence supporting= a hobbyist program before one existed, this seems pretty fair ' to me. Safety was not written in a day.C   Glenn Everhart 156 Clark Farm Rd> Smyrna DEL 19977 302 659 0460 Everhart@gce.com  # I will try to get a kit out soon...5       John Nixon wrote:D > F > With much appreciation for Glen's efforts, and with much respect forK > Safety,  Safety is not free (without cheating Glen, which I would not do, 0 > and as many others are probably already doing) >  > snip (from Safety README.TXT)8A > "... must pay a charge of $499 per Alpha CPU, $299 per VAX CPU,mG > to Glenn Everhart, 18 Colburn Ln, Hollis, NH 03049. They will then be L > entitled to limited email support and to receive a version which will emit? > fewer messages. Full support requires separate negotiations." 
 > end snip > I > We have a LOT of CPUs;  Even if you count a VAX 7860 (six CPUs) as one!e > K > Also,  Our company requires justification for each expenditure, includingdK > a synopsis of the viability of every new vendor.  That alone makes it not & > worth while for me to pursue Safety. > G > Also, what I want, and what I stated several times is for UNDELETE toKH > be a native part of VMS, supported by the best engineers in the world,6 > and not requiring separate testing for each upgrade. > K > I know I am coming off sounding stubborn, cheap, lazy, ungrageful  etc...E > but@K > this thread was merely meant to make a suggestion, express an opinion andgI > to see if there were  any other people that thought UNDELETE would be aa# > good idea to  incorporate in VMS." > 6 > "D.Webb" <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote in message, > news:8qvh7f$pv7$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk... > > " > > Have I missed something here ?K > > Isn't the UNDELETE facility that you are asking for already provided bygH > > Glenn Everhart's SAFETY product as he has pointed out on a number of > occasions  > > in this thread.h > >- > > From the safety SPD :- > > N > >           2. A deletion protection system provides a way to undelete filesJ > >           which were deleted by mistake and to optionally copy deletedM > >           files to backup facilities before removal. Unlike all other VMS L > >           "undelete" programs on the market, this facility does not relyE > >           on finding the disk storage that contained the file andrL > >           reclaiming it before it is overwritten. Rather, it changes theH > >           semantics of the file system delete to use a "wastebasket"H > >                                                         ============J > >           system and captures the file intact. Thus, this system works% > >           reliably. No others do.  > >           .  > >           .- > >           .80 > >           The Safety protection features areG > >           fully integrated with the DPS subsystem, so that deletiondC > >           protection does not involve destroying file security.i > > I > >           3.  When space runs out, hasty decisions about what to keep L > >           online often must be made, and the risk of accidentally losingE > >           something important is high.   Safety protects you frommM > >           running out of space. Space can be monitored and older items infK > >           the wastebasket deleted if it is becoming low, without manual0 > >           intervention.. > >n > >rB > > What precisely are you looking for that this doesn't provide ? > >t > >> > > David Webb > > VMS and Unix team leader > > CCSS > > Middlesex University > >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:45:10 GMTc From: trevor_deja@my-deja.comr, Subject: VAXStation 4000/90 hardware failure) Message-ID: <8r03jj$gbn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c   Hi  D I have a non working VAXStation 4000/90 that I'd like to try and fix (Hobbyist).a  D When power is turned on the status LED's show FF (all on) and do notG change.  The system does not boot.  I have checked the power supply andGE all voltage rails are being produced ok.  I've proded a few points onTD the processor board with a scope and I can see access cycles of someE description occuring.  I've tried removing the daughter boards to seeo( if these are killing the machine but no.  = I've just about run out of simple things I can check now, andoC without a schematic there is nout more I can do.  This is where youa come in.  C Does anyone know of any common faults that are know to occur on the-( 4090 that I might be able to check for ?  C I'm clutching at straws I know, but I'm very reluctant to throw all:/ those VUPS in the bin, so any help appreciated.    Regards, Trevor9   trevor_deja@my-deja.coma    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.W   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:29:21 +0100A+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>o0 Subject: Re: VAXStation 4000/90 hardware failure' Message-ID: <39D3B831.97F955A2@iee.org>    trevor_deja@my-deja.com wrote:  F > When power is turned on the status LED's show FF (all on) and do notI > change.  The system does not boot.  I have checked the power supply andpG > all voltage rails are being produced ok.  I've proded a few points onSF > the processor board with a scope and I can see access cycles of someG > description occuring.  I've tried removing the daughter boards to seed* > if these are killing the machine but no.  : Have you configured it to run without a monitor and on the> alternate console line (S3 up at the front and plug in to the < printer port at the back)? If so do you get anything at all?  A All LEDs on is a very early failure - likely to be something likeW# a missing DC OK signal or the like.i  > I'll try and look it up tomorrow when I'm near a manual - feel free to mail if I forget.d  ? > I've just about run out of simple things I can check now, andtE > without a schematic there is nout more I can do.  This is where youl
 > come in.  D I've never seen schematics for any of the VAXstations - these days IC expect such stuff does not make it out much further than the design9+ teams and the sustaining engineering teams.s  E > Does anyone know of any common faults that are know to occur on thee* > 4090 that I might be able to check for ?  # Mine has never failed (touch wood)!e  ? I did have a very weird failure on a VS3100-76 once. After I'd UA stripped out all the unnecessary accessories, swapped the PSU ands6 the mainboard I found that the problem was the mouse!!  B So rip out everything except the PSU, the mainboard and the little= PCB that holds the LEDs. I don't think it needs anything elseA? to run far enough to start showing different codes on the LEDs.'  E > I'm clutching at straws I know, but I'm very reluctant to throw allh1 > those VUPS in the bin, so any help appreciated.t   Has it ever worked?i   Antonioe   -- )   ---------------i- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:48:07 GMTo- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>|# Subject: VEST - Where can I find it#< Message-ID: <bFRA5.13815$hD4.3638382@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>  G I have a VAX executable I need to put on an Alpha, and I don't have thes source.o  = Here can I find VEST?  I checked the doc's but didn't see it.D     Dave   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:03:00 -0500e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o' Subject: Re: VEST - Where can I find iti- Message-ID: <39D3F854.A1A30B80@earthlink.net>n   Dave Pampreen wrote: > I > I have a VAX executable I need to put on an Alpha, and I don't have thef	 > source.a > ? > Here can I find VEST?  I checked the doc's but didn't see it.d  F It's on the older Alpha ConDists. Go back a couple/three years, if you got 'em.   -- a David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:20:52 -0500t) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>k' Subject: Re: VEST - Where can I find itl/ Message-ID: <st7v0b593vsbe6@corp.supernews.com>   - "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com> wrotenA in message news:bFRA5.13815$hD4.3638382@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com...eI > I have a VAX executable I need to put on an Alpha, and I don't have thee	 > source.  >E? > Here can I find VEST?  I checked the doc's but didn't see it.   ! A download page appears to be at:   7 http://www.support.compaq.com/amt/decmigrate/index.html    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Sep 2000 18:30:44 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>U5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS? * Message-ID: <8r02ok$4pp$1@news1.Radix.Net>  . Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:  c >> In article <8qrfj1$22r6$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:c >> >K >> > I sure hope your kidding.  Every version of LYNX prior to 2.8.3pre5 iseG >> > considered to be an unacceptable security risk (can you say bufferpK >> > over-runs!!) by those very Unix guys that everyone here seems to blame & >> > for inventing the buffer overrun. >> > >>  G > I'm interested as to whether the "unacceptable security risk" appliese) > to the VMS as well as the unix version.(  K That's hard to answer (the people who are free with answers don't generally8H know firsthand).  Back about 10 years ago there was some issue regardingN relative robustness of applications on Unix (breaking while reading unexpectedO input - an ACM article) and one of my associates claimed that VMS was immune tol that sort of problem.   J Most of the source executed in Lynx is the same on both Unix and VMS - butH the latter contains in addition some pieces which are less tested, since% the user base on VMS is much smaller.h   -- n= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>s http://dickey.his.comm ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.544 ************************