1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 01 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 183       Contents: Re: "cut" utility for VMS & Re: APPEND and various text file types0 Re: Beware - It's another Christof Brass bashing0 Re: Beware - It's another Christof Brass bashing+ Christof a bot (was: "cut" utility for VMS) - Re: Cluster Breakup - VAX/Alpha Hardware Help  DCPS newer than 1.3  Re: DCPS newer than 1.3  Re: DCPS newer than 1.3  DCPS Newer than v1.3' Re: filterimg SCA traffic off ethernet.  Re: Link for ECP Re: MOUNT/BIND too slow , Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Days - success!F Re: OT: Elements of Linguistics (was POSIX Streams, File  Permissions)P Re: OT: Elements of Linguistics (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions) Permis4 Re: Perceptics LaserStar12 3.3 distro tape (tk50)... Re: Spice for OpenVMS Alpha?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:52:56 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> " Subject: Re: "cut" utility for VMS, Message-ID: <3AC6FA78.A691B7A5@infopuls.com>   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:   [SNIP]  A > > Why do you use different names for the temporary files?  If I ? > > understand the script correctly each temporary name is used A > > twice as output and will therefore generate a second version.  > F > I like to keep intermediate files around if something dies.  Disk isE > cheap.  I clean up all the files at the end.  (Which is not shown.)  > * > > Why not only using one temporary name? > B > I'd need a minimum of two, since I'm doing at least three steps./ > Unless I wanted to mess with version numbers.   ? Normally the current version number is used for input and a new < version number is generated for output. I suppose if you use> only one temporary name you wouldn't have to mess with version numbers.   [SNIP]   > --Stan >  > ----------I > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 > 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 ? > Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 06:37:38 -0700 - From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> / Subject: Re: APPEND and various text file types , Message-ID: <3AC72F22.AAA239B9@peoplepc.com>   David Mathog wrote:  > K > VMS has a lot of ways to represent text files.  Which can be a good thing F > or a bad thing, or a neutral thing.  For instance, the RMS file typeO > doesn't matter much at all if you TYPE, PRINT, COPY, or EDIT files.  However, H > APPEND is another story.  I cannot remember how many times I've had to( > monkey around with FDLs to get around: > R >   %APPEND-W-INCOMPAT, xxx (input) and yyyy (output) have incompatible attributes > J > And that warning is really about something.  Appending some types of RMSI > files to other types results in lots of binary garbage within the file.    <snip>  
 Hmmmmm ...  E Seems like the last time I tried APPEDNDing 2 file that had different H record attributes it "just worked" !!  The "W" does meaning warning, not4 error.  I'm sure it works between STREAMLF and CRCC.  
 Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:05:59 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>9 Subject: Re: Beware - It's another Christof Brass bashing + Message-ID: <VA.0000033d.8f00faed@sture.ch>   B In article <3AC5FE99.38A56282@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass wrote:  6 [proof that he doesn't listen to any argument snipped]   Here beginneth the cascade:   *                                      PLONK/                                 PLONK     PLONK 4                            PLONK               PLONK9                       PLONK                         PLONK    BYE!   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Apr 2001 12:30:38 -0000 4 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>9 Subject: Re: Beware - It's another Christof Brass bashing 6 Message-ID: <20010401123038.25724.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  H On Sun, 01 Apr 2001, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) wrote:+ >Christof Brass (brass@infopuls.com) wrote:  >> "Doc.Cypher" wrote:M >> > Otherwise this could be the first "Plonk!" cascade to ever appear in the 	 >> > COV.  >> >> I wouldn't start that.  > % >OK, then I'll do it. 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Quayle <stan@stanq.com> wrote: L > > > >Has anyone ported the Unix "cut" program to VMS?  I need it for a DCLG > > > >script.  I pulled down the GNU source, but it uses that horrible * > > > >shell script configuration stuff... > > > >  > > > I > > > Really, using cut like you would in Unix is very un-VMS like.  What I > > > you really want is that every VMS command (and all of your programs F > > > as well) to support a much superior, very regular /SELECT_COLUMN > > > qualifier. > > > , > > > I suggest a syntax like the following: > > > : > > >         /SELECT_COLUMN=(LIST:<col-expr>,SEPARATOR=c) > > > N > > > Where the LIST qualifier takes a <col-expr> which is the same as in UnixN > > > 'cut' and the optional SEPARATOR arg is a character to break columns on. > > > S > > > Hmmmm... maybe I should have waited until Sunday to make this recommendation.  > > @ > > Wait, maybe we should ask Christof Brass what he thinks! :-) > >  > > B.S. >  > Thanks for passing over ...  > B > Firstly I have to admit that I'm not sure that this "very un-VMS> > like" isn't irony (I suppose it is). Secondly I have to make: > clear that functionality of a program per se isn't an OS> > dependent topic though the way it used and some OS dependent > features are of course.  > = > I don't understand why waiting until Sunday could be of any  > help.   @ Hmm... curious lacunae* in Christof's database: Legos, Mechanos, and now April Fools' Day...   B He is a bot!  The best I ever have seen!  Congratulations, Andrew, but we're on to you now.      , *I've always wanted to use that in a post...   > ? > Although I think that basically an output modifying qualifier @ > would be the best way to go the definition proposed isn't what: > shows the important difference: if the user has to countA > character columns the case is lost (then having another program = > will do the trick sufficiently). The point is to be able to A > refer to the content generated by the program e.g. the filename B > column of a DIRECTORY output. If the output of a shell script is> > to be cut at a certain character position I offer to write a@ > simple TPU script which can be used to trim the length of each > line in the output file. > B > Anyway I wonder why this is necessary and what the circumstances > of this task are.   = Good question.  I think most such needs are the result of the ; lack of a suitable API.  For example, parsing the output of @ "$ show device/mounted" to extract the names of all the disks so@ they can be dismounted in sys$system:shutdown.com, because there= is no wild-card support in f$getdvi, or parsing the output of > "$ show device" to determine the merge or copy percentage of a shadowed disk.  < You have some program that produces the information you need= buried in a mass of output, usually a text file.  You need to ; extract columns, perhaps with or following some tag, to get : what you want.  If the program could provide you with just> the information you want, and nothing else, in a form suitable= for manipulation (i.e. as symbols or logical names), then you  wouldn't need this.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 12:59:11 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>6 Subject: Re: Cluster Breakup - VAX/Alpha Hardware Help' Message-ID: <9a71q4$gr$1@news.IAEhv.nl>   I Or possibly, but rare, a Tektronics like problem. Some of the earlier Tek  printer/plottersK had one of the status lines inverted. What DEC called device busy (IIRC) on  the parallel port of theG DMF32 was actually "device idle" for Tektronix. An inverter solved that  problem.   Hans  * Paul Repacholi heeft geschreven in bericht$ <87ofuirt2o.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...% >"Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:  > A >> > As for the LP27 - how can we get that guy functioning on the 8 >> >Alpha? I believe there are interface issues here...? > & >> How's the LP27 connected right now? > G >This will possibily be the Data Products vs Centronix problem. I guess G >the LP27 hangs off a LPV-11 now? So the question is, does the Alpha do C >DP mode IO on the Parport. If it can't, you can possibly re-jumper  >the LP27 to Centronics. >  >-- = >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd., 8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076 / >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 03:12:27 -0600 From: <Mage@ChannelPoint.com>  Subject: DCPS newer than 1.34 Message-ID: <2iCx6.36275$m8.310592@news.direcpc.com>  K I currently have DCPS v1.3 installed, through I havent' used it for years,. L Prior to that, I think I was using CPS v4.0, which worked fine communicatingL with my HP LaserJet 5M.  It had fallen into dis-use, and it wasn't until nowI that I noticed that it simply doesn't work anymore.  DCPS v1.3 insists on ; talking to DEC PrintServer machines, which the 5M is *not*.   H I see, from the documentation, that the latest DCPS v1.8 definitely doesG work with my printer (since there's a release note about the 5M), but I K think, from the surfing I've done, that any DCPS *after* my v1.3 will work.   H Can anyone MAIL me, or FTP me, or send me a pointer to ... a moderm DCPS4 kit?  I have a license, I just don't have the media.   John Lawson  John.Lawson@TLMAGE.net   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:56:46 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>  Subject: Re: DCPS newer than 1.3( Message-ID: <9a78mf$f4i$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  K Umm, technically you should have had a maintenance contract on that initial K license. Otherwise it is only valid for the version you bought it for. That  is at least G what I understand to be the current Compaq ruling on software licenses.   
 Hans Vlems  1 Mage@ChannelPoint.com heeft geschreven in bericht + <2iCx6.36275$m8.310592@news.direcpc.com>... L >I currently have DCPS v1.3 installed, through I havent' used it for years,.? >Prior to that, I think I was using CPS v4.0, which worked fine 
 communicating I >with my HP LaserJet 5M.  It had fallen into dis-use, and it wasn't until  now J >that I noticed that it simply doesn't work anymore.  DCPS v1.3 insists on< >talking to DEC PrintServer machines, which the 5M is *not*. > I >I see, from the documentation, that the latest DCPS v1.8 definitely does H >work with my printer (since there's a release note about the 5M), but IL >think, from the surfing I've done, that any DCPS *after* my v1.3 will work. > I >Can anyone MAIL me, or FTP me, or send me a pointer to ... a moderm DCPS 5 >kit?  I have a license, I just don't have the media.  >  >John Lawson >John.Lawson@TLMAGE.net  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:33:53 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>  Subject: Re: DCPS newer than 1.36 Message-ID: <1010401133220.22825B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  H Wasn't there a recent announcement that DCPS is going to be bundled intoF VMS, maybe starting with V7.3?  So if you have a VMS support contract,F you should be getting DCPS V1.8 (or at least the right to use it) RSN.    % On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Hans Vlems wrote: M > Umm, technically you should have had a maintenance contract on that initial M > license. Otherwise it is only valid for the version you bought it for. That 
 > is at least I > what I understand to be the current Compaq ruling on software licenses.  >  > Hans Vlems > 3 > Mage@ChannelPoint.com heeft geschreven in bericht - > <2iCx6.36275$m8.310592@news.direcpc.com>... N > >I currently have DCPS v1.3 installed, through I havent' used it for years,.A > >Prior to that, I think I was using CPS v4.0, which worked fine  > communicating K > >with my HP LaserJet 5M.  It had fallen into dis-use, and it wasn't until  > now L > >that I noticed that it simply doesn't work anymore.  DCPS v1.3 insists on> > >talking to DEC PrintServer machines, which the 5M is *not*. > > K > >I see, from the documentation, that the latest DCPS v1.8 definitely does J > >work with my printer (since there's a release note about the 5M), but IN > >think, from the surfing I've done, that any DCPS *after* my v1.3 will work. > > K > >Can anyone MAIL me, or FTP me, or send me a pointer to ... a moderm DCPS 7 > >kit?  I have a license, I just don't have the media.  > >  > >John Lawson > >John.Lawson@TLMAGE.net  > >  > >  >  >  >  >    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 03:16:12 -06004 From: "John R. Lawson, Jr." <John.Lawson@TLMAGE.net> Subject: DCPS Newer than v1.3 4 Message-ID: <DlCx6.36276$m8.309573@news.direcpc.com>  K I currently have DCPS v1.3 installed, through I havent' used it for years,. L Prior to that, I think I was using CPS v4.0, which worked fine communicatingL with my HP LaserJet 5M.  It had fallen into dis-use, and it wasn't until nowI that I noticed that it simply doesn't work anymore.  DCPS v1.3 insists on ; talking to DEC PrintServer machines, which the 5M is *not*.   H I see, from the documentation, that the latest DCPS v1.8 definitely doesG work with my printer (since there's a release note about the 5M), but I K think, from the surfing I've done, that any DCPS *after* my v1.3 will work.   H Can anyone MAIL me, or FTP me, or send me a pointer to ... a moderm DCPS4 kit?  I have a license, I just don't have the media.   John Lawson  John.Lawson@TLMAGE.net   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 08:59:22 +0200, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.n0spam.nl>0 Subject: Re: filterimg SCA traffic off ethernet.= Message-ID: <3ac6d192$0$158$1a0eedbc@dreader2.news.xs4all.nl>   J The program is called LAVC$STOP_BUS.EXE, and it's located in SYS$EXAMPLES.# There is also a LAVC$START_BUS.EXE.    Regards,  	 Bart Zorn   ? "Andreas Stiller" <Andreas.Stiller@netsurf.de> wrote in message $ news:3AC6C480.20293935@netsurf.de... > Hi,  > C > you can shutdown network devices only for SCA traffic. You need a G > program named like LAVC_STOP_BUS. Search for program with a name like I > this in SYS$STARTUP. I can't remember the exact name. When you star the J > program it lists the current PE adapters. You can then enter the name of' > a device to shutdown for PE purposes.  > 	 > Andreas  >  > Nazim MANSER schrieb:  > > - > > >> Our network topology is the following: F > > >> All the VMS maschines are in a cluster, the problem is that ourE > > >> network staff is experiencing a lot of network collisions.  on E > > >> maschines vax6 and vax7 there are 2 adapters (EZA1: and FQA1:)  > >  > > <chomp... mutter>  > >  > > >> My question is: > > D > > >> How is it possible to filter out the SCA Traffic in the EZAn:H > > >> Adapters of vax6 and vax7, so that the SCA Traffic goes only over
 > > >> FDDI ?  > > K > > >Let see, you have two 10base? segments with FDDI connecting them?  One L > > >machine has both a ethernet and an FDDI interface onto the LAN? And you have' > > >over 10% of the packets colliding.  > > L > > >As a first step, pull the ether net and see if the rate goes down. Also check L > > >for a flaky cable. Note that vax6 has a much higher collision rate thanA > > >vax7, so start with segment A. BTW, turn on heartbeat on thea tranceivers. > >f; > > here are some explications about the network topographyA > >h > > 1) Segments: > >n > > 1.1) ethernet: > >nL > > we have 2 10Base (one called A with 15 connections (10  base T , twistedJ pair to a HUB , the other called B with 2 connections (10 base 2 thinwire)7 > > Segment A and B are linked with the following itemss > >iK > > A ================== < DEC Repeater 90 C > =====================< HUB >t& > >                                 ||& > >                                 ||D > >                                 ||    (the cable is optic fiber)& > >                                 ||G > > B =================== < DEC Bridge 90 FL > =======================|i
 Terminator > >@I > > the ethernet interface on vax6 (vax4000-705A) ethernet adapter device6 type SGEC, 10 Mbit/sI > > the ethernet interface on vax7 (vax4000-705A) ethernet adapter devices type SGEC, 10 Mbit/s > >I > > 1.2) FDDI Ring > >sH > > we have an FDDI Ring where only vax6 and vax7 are connected (FQA1: ) Adapter DEFQA. > > K > > the network staff told me that Ca. 72 % of all the ethernet traaffic is . caused by the 60-07 Protokoll (SCA Protokoll )J > > The problem is that it is a production system (Bank environment) and iG can't amke such things as pulling off the nisca traffic on the ethernete adapters of the vax6 and vax7. > > My boss will kill me. K > > the only thing i will do is to rise the niscs_max_pktsz at 4468 to meetu8 the requirement of the FDDI. and i will see the results. > >m > > My question: > >tG > > How to turn on heartbeat on the tranceivers, i am not familiar with- network hardware.a > >P > > thanks,+ > >- > > reguards, Nazim Manser > >  > > VMS System Manager.W > >k* > > email:  Nazim.Manser@socgen.com (work)8 > >               nmanser@progis.de          (permanent)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:05:29 +02004 From: "Peter Ljungberg" <peter.p.ljungberg@telia.se> Subject: Re: Link for ECPe, Message-ID: <9a6r3h$5g0$1@news.han.telia.se>   Hi,a  ; The OpenVMS System Management Tools page says, and I quote:x  1 ECP Planner runs on OpenVMS as well as Tru64 UnixgK                              environments, supporting OpenVMS 5.5.2 through  version 7.3.    = Does anyone know if ECP is available for download for Tru64 ?t Can't find this anywhere   /P.Ljm        2 "Keith Brown" <kbrown780@isd.net> wrote in message! news:3AC54A2B.4BB3A358@isd.net...t > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:m > >l6 > > "Keith Brown" <kbrown780@isd.net> wrote in message% > > news:3AC53092.D383E8C8@isd.net...  > > >oJ > > > Compaq today released ECP (enterprise capacity planner) or something > > > like that.H > > > I downloaded it today and tried it out. While it lacks some of theF > > > features of the old DEC Performance Analyzer it really is a niceI > > > product. The price is right, included with the price of OpenVMS and- runs! > > > on 6.1 - 7.3 VAX and Alpha.0 > > K > > Are there any co-requisite apps (PAWZ or what-have-you) and if so, what  do > > they cost? > >s > > cheers,e > >- > > terry s3 >8E > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/performance-and-capacity.htmls > --
 > Keith Brownp > kbrown780@isd.netl   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Apr 2001 18:17:44 +0200 ) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Adam Maulis)   Subject: Re: MOUNT/BIND too slow! Message-ID: <a+XmkECJf5U5@ludens>   x In article <OF4A2A04B6.EB7E373A-ON03256A10.001238FA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:A > I mounted two disks  in RAID-5  (each) with the /BIND to createu9 > a bigger (??) volume (16GB)  and the DBA exported a RDBo/ > database but he told me it was extremly slow.0  B yes, the volumeset has an significant performance overhead. If youB use the  "file bigger than filesys" feature of the volumeset than $ this overhead will be extremly high.    A 1, I do not understand why use volumeset belongs to vms why don'teD use raid belongs to HSZ itself? If you configure a bigger raid with C your hsz70 then both of performance and size will be better/bigger.     @ And general: why do you use raid5 or volumeset for RDB? The RDB B itself can access individual disk more effecient than raid5 could.  C Of course, if you poor of disk space and you required the stabilitysF provided with raid5 then use raid5 :-) otherwise use striped mirrorsetH (raid0+1) or individual disks with manual-configured multi-area database/ with AIJ on mirrored disks and regulary backup.5     >  > FC >    Sorry for my poor English.    I Adam Maulis              maulis@ludens elte hu         VMS system manager-H  .......................................................................H  VMS Competence Center                             VMS Szakertoi KozpontH  Eotvos Lorand University                  Eotvos Lorand TudomanyegyetemH  Budapest, Hungary                                              BudapestH  =======================================================================   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:15:23 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Update Days - success!r( Message-ID: <9a72od$2kv$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  B Since I get just one chance a year to attend a VMS/unix/NT/network
 symposium,; DECUS (or whatever it is now called) is my favorite choice.yF The Himalaya stuff is confusing the programme somewhat, but the mix ofB topics usually convinces management that I'll spend my time at the
 conferenceL other than on the beach <wg>.  So it'll be Lisbon and not London or Zuerich.   Hans  0 Terry C. Shannon heeft geschreven in bericht ... >h. >"Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message# >news:9a2sdg$bdh$1@news.IAEhv.nl... J >> Well I do hope we'll get a similar result in Lisbon, early May when the% >> European Decus event will be held.  >dL >There's also a VMS Technical Update in London on 15-17 May, and an event inK >Brussels on 15 May. Rumour has it that Charlie Matco will be in attendance L >at both events (although not both at the same time). In addition, there may! >be an event in Zurich on 21 May.S >nI >And of course, there's the ever-popular DFWDAYS event in Dallas on April " >17-20. http://dfwdays.dfwcug.org/ >  >terry s >  >d   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:05:58 +0100u  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>O Subject: Re: OT: Elements of Linguistics (was POSIX Streams, File  Permissions) + Message-ID: <VA.0000033c.8f00f7d6@sture.ch>t  B In article <3AC60098.9BECCFD7@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass wrote:' > Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:06:48 +0000n+ > From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>i > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsuH > Subject: Re: OT: Elements of Linguistics (was Re: POSIX Streams, File  >  Permissions)o >  > Ben Sego wrote:e > >  > > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >  > > > Christof Brass wrote:t" > > > > [snip] There are countless > > > > homophones in English. > > > $ > > > F.Y.I., in (American) English: > > >g > > 
 > > <snip> > >  > > >n2 > > > As always, I could be (probably am) wrong... > > P > > Well, DJD, this time I have to side with Christof.  (And you _know_ how thatO > > makes me feel.) "Homophones" are words that sound alike, but have different * > > meaning.  Here is a homophonic triple: > > 	 > > bighta > > bite > > byte > > P > > Incidentally, it is not a requirement that the words be spelled differently;O > > but rather that they 1.) sound the same, 2.) have separate origins, and 3.)t > > have separate meanings.o > > & > > Ben "WKU taught English, too" Sego > @ > I vote for 1.) and 2.) - I don't regard the third condition as@ > necessary because having condition 2.) fulfilled the words areA > in essence different even if one of their meanings is the same. = > I don't know even of such an example exists. But if not the  > third condition is redundant.  >uG So, not content with running c.o.v., you are now our English professor?p  : Been on an intensive English course the last week have we? ___o
 Paul Sture Switzerlandt   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:48:17 +0000n) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> Y Subject: Re: OT: Elements of Linguistics (was Re: POSIX Streams, File Permissions) Permis,, Message-ID: <3AC6F961.7B8BC06B@infopuls.com>   Ben Sego wrote:u >  > Christof Brass wrote:V > <snip> >    [SNIP]  Q > Well, Christof, I hadn't thought of it that way.  I'll look for an example thatpM > has separate origins but the _same_ meanings.  I don't think I'll find one. R > So...(here I go again....) I think you're right.  Without such an example either" > 2.) or 3.) should be tossed out. >   > Ben "Hilltopper civility" Sego  @ I don't "love" the word homophone and will easily switch over to homonym.@ The reason we came to this was the question if e.g. a filesystem< or a PL should support case sensitivity. While I don't think? generally that the natural langaage/scripture is a good exampleH: to prove something: in this case there is the problem that? different meanings are expressed by different writings wrt casea@ (MAC and Mac - better examples welcome). That's why I think case? sensititivy is helpful in certain circumstances. While it can't @ be that easily switched on and off in a PL, in an OS this can be< done per directory or per directory tree or per disk. But if? this breaks the rules or design principles of VMS which I don't 7 see at the moment I would prefer not have it although I, basically like it.   ------------------------------   Date: 19 MAR 2001 23:16:49 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>j= Subject: Re: Perceptics LaserStar12 3.3 distro tape (tk50)...w2 Message-ID: <19MAR01.23164966@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  ! Ben Sego <bsego@clark.net> wrote:r   [snip]G > So, that's our dilema.  Currently, we're assessing the situation, and @ > looking at our options.  Our customer owns a valid license ForG > Perceptics software, but they've "misplaced" the tk50 which contained3J > LaserStar12, version 3.3.  Perceptics can't supply the media.  They haveJ > offered to sell us a version which runs under Unix.  We'll probably takeC > them up on that, but it would still be nice to get the VAX system I > humming properly again, even if it's only for the time it takes to moveoG > the data off the system.  We might be able to recover everything fromrH > backups, but the tapes we've tried so far have all had serious errors.G > So, we may be down to asking for software distro copies.  Does anyone,  > out there have a copy of this?  D I recently shut down a VAX which used Perceptics' software.  Can youC read a 9-track tape?  I have a v3.3 distribution on 9-track.  Thereh? may be a company around that could read the tape for you if you  can't.  E Er - you state "LaserStar12".  My 9-track tapes just say "LaserStar".r% I don't know if there's a difference.n  F Of possibly more immediate help, I have a LSTARV033.A file on a backupF tape which I *may* be able to read.  I'm guessing that's the LaserStarC v3.3 saveset.  If I can read it and you have network access to yourPD VAX I could get it to you via ftp.  That's only part of the solution$ if you need the LaserWare part also.  B One other possibility.  I *thought* Perceptics sold the VMS rightsD to that software to DEC which then sold it under another name (which8 I've now forgotten).  You might pursue that possibility.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVhH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:05:58 +0100n  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>% Subject: Re: Spice for OpenVMS Alpha?k+ Message-ID: <VA.0000033b.8f00f588@sture.ch>m  H In article <20010331194007.22880.qmail@nym.alias.net>, Doc.Cypher wrote:" > Date: 31 Mar 2001 19:40:07 -00006 > From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>' > Subject: Re: Spice for OpenVMS Alpha?- > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms0 > $ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > A > On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote:n > >Paul Repacholi wrote: > >> S* > >> ualski <ualski@earthlink.net> writes: > >>   > >> > Paul Repacholi wrote: > >> > >, > >> > > Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com> writes: > >> > >K > >> > > > > DECUS says they're for VAX/VMS but I remember just fortran the.6 > >> > > > > last time I compiled it, a few years ago. > >> > >7 > >> > > That is an OLD SPICE. The current one is in C.  > >> rK > >> > I should have been more specific.  The first one I listed is FORTRANeI > >> > but the newer one, and the second listed, is purported to be C.  I / > >> > don't have any experience with that one.I > >> 'H > >> A new modeling method for MOSFETs, improvments to the other models, > >> bug fixes.  > >> cI > >> > Anyone know what sort of new features or fixes went along with the' > >> > switch to C?t > >> o6 > >> More bugs, harder to optimize, unix braindeath... > >> nI > >> But, hey, they a proper industry stands conforming bugs! Thats a bigI > >> improvment isn't it...  > >> e2 > >You are doing *my* job :-) (not only this time) > K > I hope it really is your job Christoff because you've antagonised the COVrK > so much that a contract is out of the question (you'll be disposed of for 	 > free!).  > H You know what? I am starting to believe that someone is paying him good  money to wreck this group. ___ 
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