1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 06 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 192       Contents: Re: Another Win for OpenVMS  Re: Another Win for OpenVMS & Re: booting a 3300 for the first time. Re: CD backups. , Re: Compaq Releases ECP - download available DCL question: piping command  Re: DCL question: piping command  Re: DCL question: piping command  Re: DCL question: piping command  Re: DCL question: piping command  Re: DCL question: piping command Granularity Hint Regions Query. ( RE: GS160 froze due to a bad KGPSA-CX...A Re: How do I redefine the alias between SYSCOMMON and VMS$COMMON? A Re: How do I redefine the alias between SYSCOMMON and VMS$COMMON?   Re: installing pci cards on ds105 Interesting news from those nice folk at The Register 9 Re: Interesting news from those nice folk at The Register  Re: Meaning of RSBREFNZRO? Missing QMAN$MASTER.DAT  Re: Missing QMAN$MASTER.DAT  Re: Missing QMAN$MASTER.DAT  Re: Missing QMAN$MASTER.DAT  Re: Missing QMAN$MASTER.DAT  Re: NT or 2K on VMS " Re: OVMS Tech Update Presentations" Re: OVMS Tech Update Presentations3 Re: OVMS Tech Update Presentations (are excellent!) 0 Re: OVMS Tech Update Presentations [and Mozilla]@ Re: PCSI Patch - VMS VAX v7.2 (Was: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears)* Re: Problems with threads on VMS AXP 7.1-2 Re: pthreads + printf  Re: Restart TCP/IP Services  Re: Restart TCP/IP Services ( Re: Seeking CD-R/CD-RW SCSI INQUIRY data test) Trade in VAX machine (Hong Kong location)  Re: TSM and terminal servers?  Re: TSM and terminal servers?  UCX .DAT Files - Path? Re: UCX .DAT Files - Path? Re: UCX .DAT Files - Path?C Re: UCX .DAT Files - Path? - tread carefully, but worth the trip...  Updated information  Re: Updated information  vax4000-105a Re: vax4000-105a Re: vax4000-105a VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLE Re: VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLE Re: VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLE VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLE Re: VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLE Re: VMS-Related: Affordable > Re: What to do with old CDROMS... (do NOT try this at home...)> Re: What to do with old CDROMS... (do NOT try this at home...)/ Re: [Q] DCL minute of the day: case sensitivity   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:26:45 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com$ Subject: Re: Another Win for OpenVMSH Message-ID: <OF7A5DD32D.710CF41D-ON80256A25.0049B6B9@qedi.quintiles.com>  I Depends upon what they're running and how much they value those data that   are stored on their VMS systems.= If the data have no commercial value then roll in WNT........  :-)    Wallace n Gromit wrote:  >>> @ Another OpenVMS user that uses "E" in their name is eSpeed, withC their US Government securities trading system as well it's Futures, < (Cantor Exchange), Money Markets, and one or two others, 7/8 machines in all.  D Of course how much longer OpenVMS will run these, remains to be seen <<<    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Apr 2001 05:23:35 GMT 2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)$ Subject: Re: Another Win for OpenVMS, Message-ID: <9ajjsn$lk1@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  s In article <oWLy6.34229$Wz.9323509@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  > L >E*Trade (unlike another online entity whose name begins with "E") relies onG >OpenVMS to ensure that mission-critical apps are up 24x7. Which is why 5 >Charlie Matco relies on E*Trade for his IRA account.  >   B I wonder if Chuck could log into his E*trade account at 22:00 PST H 05-APR-2001, because I sure couldn't get into mine.  Log On hung foreverK with: "Connect: Host trading.etrade.com contacted.  Waiting for reply." The G web server at www.etrade.com was working even if trading.etrade.com was H down or unreachable.  Not even lynx -head requests were getting through.6 It's been 20 minutes and it's still not answering up.   I Obviously I can't say what's down, but something is.  And presumably it's I inside their subnet since I can get to one machine but not the other.  Oh  well, make that 24x6.8 :-(.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2001 14:02:45 -0500 3 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg) / Subject: Re: booting a 3300 for the first time. 3 Message-ID: <AkMNgHLDnrB+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   . In article <3ACBE692.E1E6CEE9@ericzeller.com>,0 Eric Zeller <ezeller@ericzeller.company> writes:	 [edited]> 8 > final weeks, I was able to bring home a microvax 3300. > : > It came with one VT320 terminal and an ethernet adapter.B Later you mention it has a tape drive, but not the model of drive.  C Many of the tape drives are bootable.  TK50, TK70, TF8X, should all A work if you have media.  Any of these (and possibly others) could  be in your system.  E > The microvax doesn't have a CD Drive anyway, but I was wondering if F > it would be possible to copy the boot files to a linux bootp server,7 > hook up the ethernet, and boot the microvax that way?   A You would need the LINUX box to support MOP protocol, as a start. 8 Then you would need some sort of secondary boot program. Probably not worth the effort.  C Now if you had a running OpenVMS system that could serve as an LAVC 3 load host, or a functioning Infoserver, no problem.   F > Failing that, can someone point me to a list of cheap SCSI CD Drives" > known to work with the microvax?  7 Ok, first what bootable SCSI adaptor do you have in it?   B That little plug with an LED on it is not a SCSI terminator, it isD DSSI.  It is not electrically compatible with SCSI, even if you find% some of the internal cables will fit.   G If you look on the used market, you will probably find faster ALPHA and G VAX systems with SCSI busses built in for less than what a SCSI adaptor ' for either DSSI or a Q-BUS will go for.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:29:12 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: CD backups.H Message-ID: <OF4D258862.6BC75B97-ON80256A25.004383A3@qedi.quintiles.com>  K I'm not sure that there is a catch (other than the ftp munging your saveset J because it doesn't understand the structure), but also I'm not sure that I$ would do things that way either. :-)  D When I write VMS CDs I use LD (from the freeware CD) to create/map aK container file, which then allows me to initialize the disk and mount it as  just another VMS disk device.   F Copy/backup/whatever the files that you want onto the disk which LD isJ presenting to you.  Then dismount it and use CDRECORD to burn it to a CD-R# device connected to the VMS system.   I If all of the remote systems which you have are the same (i.e. the system G disk is the same SCSI ID and the CD is the same SCSI ID) then you could   write a command procedure that :F - restores a saveset of the system disk from the CD to the real system disk; G - picks up a modparams.dat file, SYSUAF, RIGHTSLIST etc that are copied F somewhere else (maybe somewhere on the CD image or on one of the otherJ disks on the system, depending upon the file in question) and copies it to the new system disk;J - modifies the system configuration to relate to the system being restored! in terms of addresses, names etc; ) - reboots the system and does an autogen;  - reboots to the live system. K Two disk images would be needed if you were doing Alphas as well of course.    Steve.   Leigh G. Bowden asked : K >>>I was wondering therefore about using the CD. I know VMS doesn't support J CD-W type devices. If I create a saveset on VMS machine and then FTP it inK binary mode to a PC and then blat it on a CD also in binary mode would this  work?   K The idea being to have standalone backup on all the other HDD and boot from K them. Mount the CD and restore the contents. It sounds to easy there has to  be a catch.  <<<    ------------------------------    Date: 06 Apr 2001 03:09:18 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: Compaq Releases ECP - download available - Message-ID: <874rw32mg1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   2 "Peter Flunger\(News/gmx\)" <p-i-b@gmx.at> writes:  D > Anybody having the same problems as i do, when i try to change the7 > 'read sample-from date-time' in the motif interface ?   G not seen that one yet. The nigle I have is the error message on loading  the CP driver. -TEX-W-NODERR ... 80E0D028  C Yes, starts with a '-'. Looks like a SYSMAN error, but I can't find E it anywhere. And it's not the /log, does it with out the log as well.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:56:09 GMT  From: Andy <kicsi2l8@home.com>% Subject: DCL question: piping command ( Message-ID: <3ACD1328.5C864B53@home.com>  9 I'm pretty new at this, so forgive me if I mess up terms.   D I want to create a shortcut in my login.com that does the following:F    find all the batch queues (and print queues) that are STOPPED , put3 it in a new file (retain.tmp), and print that file.    My approach:C   $ pipe show queue | search sys$input stopped /output=retain.tmp | 0 close retain.tmp | print/que=whatever retain.tmp  G Am I on the right track? First I tried it w/o the close command, and it B said locked by another user. when i run it this way it creates andB prints the file, but for some reason only gets about 3 or 4 of theD queues in question, when in reality I know there are about 50 queues that are stopped.   G If i take it apart and take off everything after /output=retain.tmp, it F creates the file with ALL the queues that are stopped, which is what i need.    Thanks in advance.   andy   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 19:17:16 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ) Subject: Re: DCL question: piping command ' Message-ID: <3ACD191C.88CE5D2E@fsi.net>    Andy wrote:  > ; > I'm pretty new at this, so forgive me if I mess up terms.  > F > I want to create a shortcut in my login.com that does the following:H >    find all the batch queues (and print queues) that are STOPPED , put5 > it in a new file (retain.tmp), and print that file.  >  > My approach:E >   $ pipe show queue | search sys$input stopped /output=retain.tmp | 2 > close retain.tmp | print/que=whatever retain.tmp > I > Am I on the right track? First I tried it w/o the close command, and it D > said locked by another user. when i run it this way it creates andD > prints the file, but for some reason only gets about 3 or 4 of theF > queues in question, when in reality I know there are about 50 queues > that are stopped.  > I > If i take it apart and take off everything after /output=retain.tmp, it H > creates the file with ALL the queues that are stopped, which is what i > need.   1 Hhmmm... Looks like a sync. problem of some kind.   = I dunno - wouldn't it just be easier to do it in a .COM file?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:20:36 GMT  From: Andy <kicsi2l8@home.com>) Subject: Re: DCL question: piping command ( Message-ID: <3ACD18E2.8A6A98FA@home.com>  B That looks like what I will do, if someone else doesnt know how toH easily do it with pipe. Although I'm not sure if the Sys Admin will like; me putting .com files out there. I'll have to ask tomorrow.    thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 01:38:03 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ) Subject: Re: DCL question: piping command 0 Message-ID: <009FA1A1.281A816B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  I In article <3ACD1328.5C864B53@home.com>, Andy <kicsi2l8@home.com> writes: : >I'm pretty new at this, so forgive me if I mess up terms. > E >I want to create a shortcut in my login.com that does the following: G >   find all the batch queues (and print queues) that are STOPPED , put 4 >it in a new file (retain.tmp), and print that file. > 
 >My approach: D >  $ pipe show queue | search sys$input stopped /output=retain.tmp |1 >close retain.tmp | print/que=whatever retain.tmp  > H >Am I on the right track? First I tried it w/o the close command, and itC >said locked by another user. when i run it this way it creates and C >prints the file, but for some reason only gets about 3 or 4 of the E >queues in question, when in reality I know there are about 50 queues  >that are stopped. > H >If i take it apart and take off everything after /output=retain.tmp, itG >creates the file with ALL the queues that are stopped, which is what i  >need. >  >Thanks in advance.  >  >andy  >      $ PIPE SHOW QUEUE | - M   SEARCH SYS$PIPE STOPPED/OUTPUT=retain.tmp ; PRINT/QUEUE=whatever retain.tmp      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:04:11 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ) Subject: Re: DCL question: piping command , Message-ID: <3ACD2415.A3BDCF46@videotron.ca>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > $ PIPE SHOW QUEUE | - O >   SEARCH SYS$PIPE STOPPED/OUTPUT=retain.tmp ; PRINT/QUEUE=whatever retain.tmp   K To add to Brian's answer: | causes the following command to run at the same J time as the preceeding command with the input from the first command going "live" to the second command.   K When in your case, the PRNT was trying to print the retain.tmp while SEARCH * was running (hence the file still opened).  K the ";" forces sequential exexution, so the print will execute after search  has completed.  ( HELP PIPE will give you more information   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:55:32 GMT  From: Andy <kicsi2l8@home.com>) Subject: Re: DCL question: piping command ( Message-ID: <3ACD4B43.2E1A2B4F@home.com>  D dont see brian's answer, ecpet what you quoted,...but thanks Ill try
 that tomorrow    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:47:15 GMT ) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) ( Subject: Granularity Hint Regions Query./ Message-ID: <3acce39f.5514459@news.wcc.govt.nz>   	 Hi Chaps,   ? A couple of weeks ago I rebooted one of our Development Alphas. E DECWindows failed to start complaining about insufficient Granularity 
 Hint Regions. E I doubled the SYSGEN Parameters GH_EXEC_DATA & GH_EXEC_CODE. Rebooted  and all was well. C Yesterday I had to reboot the Alpha again, a process had got into a : MUTEX Wait State. Again, DECWindows failed to start citing& insufficient Granularity Hint Regions.C I checked the Sysgen Parameters and they were as I'd last set them.    So: my queries, ? Is there any way of identifying what is consuming the resource?    For additional info.7 I have recently upgraded TCPIP to 5.1 (from 5.0A ECO 1) * Also running Motif 1.2-5 and OpenVMS 7.2-1F Show Memory does show the resouce has been depleted. Free is zero, but8 there seems to be some available in the Released column.  F I saved Feedback prior to the reboot, Autogen actually wants to reduce the GH Parameters!   Many thanks in advance   Rob.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:20:13 -0400 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>1 Subject: RE: GS160 froze due to a bad KGPSA-CX... K Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D6DBF4C@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>   F Unfortunately, I was not able to test the new console firmware againstF the a failed KGPSA-CX adapter.  We ran into additional problems, whichF required troubleshooting time that took away from the downtime window.  1 I hope to test the firmware within a week or so. p  + Those listening to this thread, stay tuned.i   :) jck
 John Koska Matthew Bender & Co., Inc.
 1275 Broadways Albany, NY  12204d USA  518-487-3255 JKoska@bender.com   A "I post personal opinion only, and all the disclaimers one could l> imagine apply.  That includes, I speak for myself only and my * views in no way represent my employer(s)."   > -----Original Message-----! > From: Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC) e) > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:25 PMg > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn3 > Subject: RE: GS160 froze due to a bad KGPSA-CX...e >  >  > > -----Original Message-----H > > From: steven.reece@quintiles.com [mailto:steven.reece@quintiles.com]+ > > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 5:56 AM. > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComA5 > > Subject: Re: GS160 froze due to a bad KGPSA-CX...  > > 0 > > Not particularly neat, tidy or nice but.....B > > How about partitioning the GS160 into more than two instances  > > and put thep' > > KGPSA cards on the new instance(s)?I? > > Use in-memory transports for clustering and hope/plan that b > > any problems: > > with the KGPSAs don't cause the whole cluster to hang. > > I did say it wasn't neat.S
 > > Steve. > >  > ? > If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting 3 software n
 > partitions,e? > which probably would hang like a monolithic setup, since the   > underlyingE > software partitions are on 1 hardware partition and 1 console.  Or D> > at least, I think that is the case and the console firmware  > would behave  @ > the same.  It might be worth a try, if I can't afford another 
 > master PCI l. > box and KGPSA cards.  Thanks for the idea.   > ? > I think at the moment that I prefer, if I can to get another  
 > master PCI  7 > box for a 3rd physical console, to put up 3 hardware w > partitions/instances  < > (I only have 2 master PCI boxes in my GS160 currently) to  > fully work around 9 > the problem and avoid quorum disk thingy... unless the - > version 5.9 console  > firmware resolves the issue. > F > I should know if the 5.9 firmware resolves the issue tonight, since = > Compaq Field Services is coming onsite and we are going to 7 > test with theOF > failed KGPSA card to see if the console hangs a boot or rolls by it. > G > I will try to drop a post back as to the results, so those following .& > this thread will know what happened. >  > :) jck > John Koska > Matthew Bender & Co., Inc. > 1275 Broadwayp > Albany, NY  12204" > USAh > 518-487-3255 > JKoska@bender.comv > = > "I post personal opinion only, and all the disclaimers one x > could imagine apply.  @ > That includes, I speak for myself only and my views in no way  > represent my l > employer(s)."n >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:55:08 +0200, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.n0spam.nl>J Subject: Re: How do I redefine the alias between SYSCOMMON and VMS$COMMON?? Message-ID: <3acccd66$0$58807$1a0eedbc@dreader2.news.xs4all.nl>n  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messagetF news:rdeininger-0504011230070001@user-2ive71q.dialup.mindspring.com...L > In article <00256A25.005B3D70.00@quegw01.btyp>, Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com > wrote: >C >lA > > How do I redefine the alias between SYSCOMMON and VMS$COMMON?  > >  > >  > > Hi,h > >tL > > I had a node for which I had restored the system disk from LEGATO backup ontoD > > another node [the reasons aren't important in the context of the > question], andF > > found that the OPS guys had incorrectly set a switch on the backup > command which I > > meant that [SYS0.SYSCOMMON...] wasn't backup up. I restored this from  thenC > > original disk, but now I wonder, do I need to have a VMS$COMMONs structure [viaL > > an alias] - the node isn't clustered - and if so, how do I do this using	 > the SETt > > FILE/ENTER command?a >t > E > It's hard to be specific, since there are different flavors of this I > problem.  Exactly what you do will depend on the details of the current* > (broken) directory structure.* >*L > I seen systems keep on working across several VMS upgrades, with directory+ > structures getting progressively weirder.* >*H > > I see from the help text that I must ensure I get this the right way	 round, so-I > > before I do it, some conformation from the list would be appreciated.n > Also, do IF > > have to create the top-level VMS$COMMON directory myself first, or
 should the, > > execution of the command do this for me? >CL > You may be able to do it with RENAME and SET FILE/ENTER, or you might need to" > create some directories as well. >mK > [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR;1 is the "real" one.  All the [SYSn.SYSCOMMON] arepD > aliases pointing to VMS$COMMON.DIR.  (On a correct disk, that is.)  I I wonder, does your system run without the proposed corrections? In othero* words, without any [VMS$COMMON] directory?H You mentioned it's not clustered. In my cluster there is NO logical name; pointing to [VMS$COMMON...] and everything just works fine.bG OTH, I didn't try SET FILE/REMOVE SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR;t< However, I wouldn't be surprised if I could live without it!   Regards,  	 Bart Zornc   >sJ > I'd start by finding the "real" directory on your disk, and rename it upG > to [000000].  If there's an alias with this name already in [000000],cK > you'll have to rename it first.  Then RENAME or SET FILE/ENTER to get the  > aliases right. > J > Practice on some unimportant directories and aliases first, to make sure& > you understand what the commands do. >a > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comL   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:18:47 -0400p2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)J Subject: Re: How do I redefine the alias between SYSCOMMON and VMS$COMMON?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0604010018480001@user-2ivecas.dialup.mindspring.com>  E In article <3acccd66$0$58807$1a0eedbc@dreader2.news.xs4all.nl>, "Bartb' Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.n0spam.nl> wrote:     M > > [000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR;1 is the "real" one.  All the [SYSn.SYSCOMMON] aretF > > aliases pointing to VMS$COMMON.DIR.  (On a correct disk, that is.) > K > I wonder, does your system run without the proposed corrections? In others, > words, without any [VMS$COMMON] directory?J > You mentioned it's not clustered. In my cluster there is NO logical name= > pointing to [VMS$COMMON...] and everything just works fine.CI > OTH, I didn't try SET FILE/REMOVE SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000]VMS$COMMON.DIR;h> > However, I wouldn't be surprised if I could live without it!    G The system in question ran just fine.  It wasn't clustered.  One of the E upgrade manuals somewhere around VMS 6.x said I should check for this @ problem, and I found the disk far more messed up than any of theH examples.  I decided I had to either fix it up before any more upgrades,E or start a new system disk from scratch.  I decided fixing would be a # little easier than starting over...e  H I don't remember all the icky little details any more.  I sort of recallH than VMS$COMMON was an alias, and was a subdirectory of [000000.SYSE] or
 some such.   -- b Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:11:28 +02000 From: "Peter Flunger\(News/gmx\)" <p-i-b@gmx.at>) Subject: Re: installing pci cards on ds10n0 Message-ID: <9aice7$fcc$1@rohrpostix.uta4you.at>  . "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote in! news:3ACB7F46.93DDC3D4@iee.org...a > - > WANDD is the bit on Alpha that provides thel) > driver for the pbxdp. It comes with X25s, > but it presumably comes with the SNA stuff' > too (but I never used that on Alpha).D. > It is not (or at least last summer, was not)! > part of OpenVMS or DECnet-Plus.d >o >P > ---------------o/ > Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org   F That depends on what you want to use the pbxdp for. if you want to useG it for X.25 you really should install the HW first and configure the SWhF after that. that makes it a lot easier, because the ports on the pbxdpH ( 4 ports i think, 2 connectors on the card with 2 ports each , you will8 have to use a Y-cable ) will be autoconfigured by WANDD.? You should use WANDD and/or X.25 Version 1.3 for OpenVMS Alpha.s
 Peter Flungerg   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:40:49 +0100+ From: "shielm00" <Mike_Shield-1@sbphrd.com>i> Subject: Interesting news from those nice folk at The Register2 Message-ID: <9ai75h$r8a$1@phunn2.um.us.sbphrd.com>  J Have a look at the following to see how our friends at Sun are finding new% ways to slow their machines down. :-)d  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/18102.html      Mike Shieldp   --C The opinions expressed in this communication are my own, and do not ) necessarily reflect those of my employer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:49:24 -0400l- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>-B Subject: Re: Interesting news from those nice folk at The Register( Message-ID: <3ACCCC41.10A57694@ohio.edu>  K In part, the article says:  "To get around the issue Sun is issuing a patch J that turns off the prefetch pipeline, a feature of the UltraSPARC III chipJ which tries to retrieve [the] instruction it is most likely to need next."  F The only conclusion that seems tenable is that ALL publically releasedJ benchmarks must be re-done, and that the results will be worse.  Does SPECI have regulations that require the withdrawal of benchmarks that cannot be " reproduced with shipping products?  #                                 RDPa     shielm00 wrote:u  L > Have a look at the following to see how our friends at Sun are finding new' > ways to slow their machines down. :-)  >s3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/18102.htmls >h
 > Mike Shield  >  > --E > The opinions expressed in this communication are my own, and do nota+ > necessarily reflect those of my employer.p   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:55:43 -0500 - From: GSV00001 <GSV00001@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>.# Subject: Re: Meaning of RSBREFNZRO?nM Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-2.1010405154951.62502C-100000@gsvms2.cc.gasou.edu>   % On 5 Apr 2001, Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:   N > It's a lock manager bug. Check applicable ECOs. Is your system in a cluster? >  > 	Jan  J The system is a stand alone setup.  ECOs were applied three years ago whenL it was upgraded from 6.2 to 7.1.  System software has not been touched sinceE then which is why I'm curious that it's starting to behave like this.sK I'll have to check to see if there are any ECOs that might fix the problem.t   Jonathan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:35:11 -0400t+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>i  Subject: Missing QMAN$MASTER.DAT# Message-ID: <sacc82a4.070@aaas.org>h  = I'm having trouble with a new install on a DS10 running 7.2-1d  ( I added the below line to SYLOGICALS.COM= $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE_MODE QMAN$MASTER DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]y   And then did the following( $ START/QUEUE/MANAGER DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-APR-2001 13:32:38.75  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on BARIUM@ %JBC-E-OPENERR, error opening DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]QMAN$MASTER.DAT;  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-APR-2001 13:32:38.75  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on BARIUM -RMS-E-FNF, file not found  9 %JBC-E-QMANNOTSTARTED, queue manager could not be started-  I I did a search of the system disk, and there is no QMAN$MASTER.DAT file =u* anywhere. This server is not in a cluster.   Did I miss a step someplace?   Thanks,h John  3 ___________________________________________________         John Eisenschmidt      Systems Analyst<      The American Association for the Advancement of Science"      Office of Technology Services      1200 New York Avenue, NW-      Washington, DC 200050      Telephone: 202-326-7039      Facsimile: 202-289-8440'      Electronic Mail: jeisensc@aaas.orge3 ___________________________________________________B   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:22:50 +0200> From: "Jean-Francois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>$ Subject: Re: Missing QMAN$MASTER.DAT. Message-ID: <9aik0b$rjp$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>    Just  $ START/QUEUE/MAN/NEW ....   Jean-Franois Marchala X9000 - LYON (FR)     E "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> a crit dans le message news:  sacc82a4.070@aaas.org...= I'm having trouble with a new install on a DS10 running 7.2-1   ( I added the below line to SYLOGICALS.COM= $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE_MODE QMAN$MASTER DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]t   And then did the following( $ START/QUEUE/MANAGER DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-APR-2001 13:32:38.75  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on BARIUM@ %JBC-E-OPENERR, error opening DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]QMAN$MASTER.DAT;  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-APR-2001 13:32:38.75  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on BARIUM -RMS-E-FNF, file not found  9 %JBC-E-QMANNOTSTARTED, queue manager could not be started   G I did a search of the system disk, and there is no QMAN$MASTER.DAT fileP* anywhere. This server is not in a cluster.   Did I miss a step someplace?   Thanks,t John  3 ___________________________________________________         John Eisenschmidt      Systems Analyst<      The American Association for the Advancement of Science"      Office of Technology Services      1200 New York Avenue, NW<      Washington, DC 20005a      Telephone: 202-326-7039      Facsimile: 202-289-8440'      Electronic Mail: jeisensc@aaas.orgn3 ___________________________________________________    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:25:28 GMTr1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>t$ Subject: Re: Missing QMAN$MASTER.DAT2 Message-ID: <3ACCD511.B5214561@clarityconnect.com>  @ For the 1st time add a /NEW to your START/QUEUE/MANAGER command.   John Eisenschmidt wrote: > ? > I'm having trouble with a new install on a DS10 running 7.2-1l > * > I added the below line to SYLOGICALS.COM? > $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE_MODE QMAN$MASTER DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]  >  > And then did the following* > $ START/QUEUE/MANAGER DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-APR-2001 13:32:38.75  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on BARIUMB > %JBC-E-OPENERR, error opening DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]QMAN$MASTER.DAT; > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-APR-2001 13:32:38.75  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on BARIUM > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found > ; > %JBC-E-QMANNOTSTARTED, queue manager could not be started  > t > I did a search of the system disk, and there is no QMAN$MASTER.DAT file anywhere. This server is not in a cluster. >  > Did I miss a step someplace? > 	 > Thanks,  > John > 5 > ___________________________________________________t >  >      John Eisenschmidt >      Systems Analyst> >      The American Association for the Advancement of Science$ >      Office of Technology Services >      1200 New York Avenue, NWa >      Washington, DC 20005a >      Telephone: 202-326-7039 >      Facsimile: 202-289-8440) >      Electronic Mail: jeisensc@aaas.org 5 > ___________________________________________________y   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:08:51 GMTe2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)$ Subject: Re: Missing QMAN$MASTER.DAT2 Message-ID: <T16z6.609$fB6.16587@news.cpqcorp.net>  Q In article <sacc82a4.070@aaas.org>, John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:s) :I added the below line to SYLOGICALS.COM.> :$ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE_MODE QMAN$MASTER DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]  B   Please see SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE for instructions on this, if you    have not already done so...l   :And then did the followinga) :$ START/QUEUE/MANAGER DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]  .rA :%JBC-E-OPENERR, error opening DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]QMAN$MASTER.DAT;h .t :-RMS-E-FNF, file not foundn ..K :I did a search of the system disk, and there is no QMAN$MASTER.DAT file...t :Did I miss a step someplace?j  %   qv: START/QUEUE/MANAGER/NEW_VERSION.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:50:02 -0400n) From: Andrew Robert <arobert@townisp.com>G$ Subject: Re: Missing QMAN$MASTER.DAT* Message-ID: <3ACD12BA.2020700@townisp.com>  C Try doing a start/queue/manager/new without specifying the location0  A The logical qman$master will translate the location of the files.1    	 Good luck    John Eisenschmidt wrote:  ? > I'm having trouble with a new install on a DS10 running 7.2-1t > * > I added the below line to SYLOGICALS.COM? > $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE_MODE QMAN$MASTER DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]s >  > And then did the following* > $ START/QUEUE/MANAGER DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-APR-2001 13:32:38.75  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on BARIUMB > %JBC-E-OPENERR, error opening DSA0:[SYS0.SYSQUE]QMAN$MASTER.DAT; > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   5-APR-2001 13:32:38.75  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on BARIUM > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found > ; > %JBC-E-QMANNOTSTARTED, queue manager could not be startedh > t > I did a search of the system disk, and there is no QMAN$MASTER.DAT file anywhere. This server is not in a cluster. >  > Did I miss a step someplace? > 	 > Thanks,h > John > 5 > ___________________________________________________  >  >      John Eisenschmidt >      Systems Analyst> >      The American Association for the Advancement of Science$ >      Office of Technology Services >      1200 New York Avenue, NWu >      Washington, DC 20005e >      Telephone: 202-326-7039 >      Facsimile: 202-289-8440) >      Electronic Mail: jeisensc@aaas.org 5 > ___________________________________________________t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:06:04 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: NT or 2K on VMS2 Message-ID: <g%5z6.608$fB6.16587@news.cpqcorp.net>  X In article <20010405134415.14272.00000356@ng-cg1.aol.com>, sk388@aol.com (Sk388) writes:O :I have a DEC3000 model 600 running 7.1, and would like to know if I can run NT0 :or 2K on top of VMS?2  L   No.  Please acquire an x86-class architecture system, as that architectureK   is the only architecture that Microsoft Windows NT and Microsoft Windows nL   2000 (W2K) now support.  Consider providing your Alpha system to somebody ;   that wants to use it for Linux, Tru64 UNIX, OpenVMS, etc.+  G   Windows NT was once supported on specific PCI bus and EISA bus Alpha eK   systems -- the DEC 3000 series does NOT have one of the necessary system 8M   buses -- and Windows NT on Alpha is not supported past Windows NT 4.0 SP6, rI   and new versions of Windows NT and new service packs are not planned.  iI   W2K on Alpha was canceled during the W2K beta stage, and no (released) tK   version of W2K is available for Alpha.  Further, no version of NT or W2K e<   is available for the DEC 3000 series TURBOchannel I/O bus.  L   Yet further, running one operating system as a "guest" of another requiresI   explicit support of this within one or both operating systems.  OpenVMS M   and most other operating systems do NOT have support for "guest" operating     systems. m  K   With the OpenVMS hobbyist program (see the OpenVMS FAQ), you can acquire s6   current OpenVMS Alpha versions and product licenses.  M   If you have a specific reason for wanting to try this configuration, well, rL   you forgot to include that information...  (Please remember that a one- orI   two-line question is often difficult for folks to provide an answer -- iJ   well, to provide an answer to the intended question rather than to some A   random and probably unintended interpretation of the question.)w  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2001 13:05:47 -0500d+ From: becker@encompasserve.org (Jim Becker) + Subject: Re: OVMS Tech Update Presentationsh3 Message-ID: <kBbLHsIaG9Qs@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <y4bsqb8i22.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:/ > becker@encompasserve.org (Jim Becker) writes:  > = >> Most of the files submitted by the speakers are PowerPoint D >> presentations. I've divided them up into Zip files of 2-9MB each. > K > Find somebody with Acrobat, and convert them to PDF. In many cases (much)r& > smaller, and more generally useable. >  > 	Jan  N I don't have Acrobat. If someone wants to generate the PDF, and if I can still$ afford the disk space, I'll post it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:20:12 -0400t  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com+ Subject: Re: OVMS Tech Update Presentationst4 Message-ID: <C2256A25.00695679.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  L There is an exe there from the console folk.  What is that and where does it execute?   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2001 13:02:45 -0500i+ From: becker@encompasserve.org (Jim Becker)-< Subject: Re: OVMS Tech Update Presentations (are excellent!)3 Message-ID: <g41c9AF22Zg$@eisner.encompasserve.org>)  ` In article <j70pctsk9796970ai82tcbto6p1t3fof95@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:F > On 4 Apr 2001 18:45:54 -0500, durkin@encompasserve.org (Mike Durkin) > wrote: >  >>Jim,% >>	  Tuesday's presentations are MIA:n  ! It's there now. Sorry about that.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:37:34 GMTM2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)9 Subject: Re: OVMS Tech Update Presentations [and Mozilla]t2 Message-ID: <iI4z6.606$fB6.16596@news.cpqcorp.net>  W In article <C2256A25.005CF674.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:s  I :Rich's slides say Mozilla is the default browser for OpenVMS for Q12001.s :Is this so?  Where is it?     The FAQ has the pointers.D  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 14:18:01 +0100a  From: steven.reece@quintiles.comI Subject: Re: PCSI Patch - VMS VAX v7.2 (Was: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears) H Message-ID: <OF58F01D5A.FE597AB1-ON80256A25.0048F2C7@qedi.quintiles.com>   I know - that was the point. Steve.   David Beatty commented/quoted :.K >>>>The e-mail that came back to confirm I'd ordered it also told me to use- >VMSINSTAL to put the kit on : > H >"If this ECO kit is for an OpenVMS system, it can be installed with the >VMSINSTAL command procedure:1 > G >$ @SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL VMS72_PCSI-V0100 DSN$COPY_DIRECTORY: OPTIONS Nc >i> >where "VMS72_PCSI-V0100" is the name of this particular ECO."  > This is not a standard backup saveset; it's a PRODUCT package.1 In order to install it, you would use the commandi6 PRODUCT INSTALL VMS72_PCSI /SOURCE=DSN$COPY_DIRECTORY. <<<    ------------------------------   Date: 05 Apr 2001 22:26:25 GMT' From: dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.) 3 Subject: Re: Problems with threads on VMS AXP 7.1-2h: Message-ID: <20010405182625.20267.00005014@ng-mq1.aol.com>   Jakob Erber wrote   M << Our Applikation using Compaq Ada and multi Tasking (based on DEC pthreads)kK at some point just sleeps. Meaning, it stops working, going into HIB state.e  >> L Interesting.  Have you got the pthreads patches installed?  ASTs and threadsM just don't like each other.  Perhaps you can use another thread instead of anA AST?   ------------------------------   Date: 05 Apr 2001 22:35:33 GMT' From: dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.)< Subject: Re: pthreads + printf: Message-ID: <20010405183533.20267.00005017@ng-mq1.aol.com>  
 Seibel wrote:5  F << printf is not thread-safe in POSIX usage.  You might try using your> own lock around it.  A thread mutex should be sufficient.  See= pthread_mutex_init, pthread_mutex_lock, pthread_mutex_unlock.m  >>   K This was correct at one time.  But I don't think you have to protect printfa anymore under DECTHREADS.lK If I am wrong on this jump on me.  In any case I use printf without problem I running multiple threads across multiple CPUs under VMS 7.3.  If I had touM protect it with a mutex debugging would never get completed.  Think it was ok3F under VMS 7.2-1 with pthreads patches installed.  Believe it had to be, protected under earlier versions of threads.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:53:13 GMTr2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>$ Subject: Re: Restart TCP/IP Services4 Message-ID: <Zr8z6.689$Hp.32820@typhoon.aracnet.com>  $ Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote:U >> Can be helpful not to restart telnet if you are making the changes via telnet :-).m  ' > Awwww.... why not??????????????   ;-Di >p9 > (p.s., have seen someone actually do just this... ;-P )m  I You know I was actually thinking about this a little while ago.  Is thereeJ any reason why you can't do this by submitting a batch job to shut it downC and start it back up?  Guess I'll have to try it one of these days.   A Since telnet is my normal method of access this could be handy.      				Zane   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2001 23:38 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)=$ Subject: Re: Restart TCP/IP Services, Message-ID: <5APR200123382982@gerg.tamu.edu>  ! tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk writes...m }> Rob Young wrote:/ }> >E }> >         Usually I stick at it until I figure it out... but given-G }> >         the time spent in help and poking at com files, am tossing1G }> >         the towel.  For Digital/Compaq TCP/IP Services what is thee/ }> >         equivalent (short of a reboot) to:0 }> >< }> >         $ @multinet:start_server   ! Does restarts too! } N }What happens here if you are logged in via telnet? Does this use a backgroundN }process to restart Multinet, so you can do it on remote machines? I have .COM }to do that in batch fro UCX.6 }  }--.7 }Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Projecti  D Nothing bad happens. Restarting multinet does not interrupt existingA connections. It's very clever. One place that mentions this is in H the help inside the server configuration thingy (from where you can also restart the server, naturally):d   $ mult config/server. MultiNet Server Configuration Utility V4.1(42)? [Reading in configuration from MULTINET:SERVICES.MASTER_SERVER]n SERVER-CONFIG>help restart   RESTARTe  E      Kills the old master server (MULTINET_SERVER) process and startsAC      a new one. Any connections in progress are not interrupted. If E      the configuration has been modified since the last save, RESTART%=      prompts you to save the configuration before restarting.         FormatY          RESTART        #   Additional information available:3  	   Example%   RESTART Subtopic?    --- Carl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 21:37:46 -04004 From: "Mark Buda" <buda@tabasco.zko.dec.no.spam.com>1 Subject: Re: Seeking CD-R/CD-RW SCSI INQUIRY data , Message-ID: <9aj6l3$3nnq$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  H "Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann" <vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> wrote in/ message news:3ac99071.0@news.uni-konstanz.de...i  E > CD-writing nowadays is standardized: All newer drives (since 1999!)n use then > sameD > commands to produce a CD-R. DVD-R-drives behave the same. Even the > interface F > is not of that importance, if one can send "raw"-commands. So what's thet > problem???  G A good friend of mine is the author of a well known CD-R product on the-E market.  He has MANY CD-R's for testing and receives new ones all ther@ time.  The number of 'standard' exceptions is surprisingly high.H Hanging the bus, going out to la-la land, etc, is not that uncommon when  adding support for a new device.  G The question is, if this happens on VMS, who debugs it and supports it?iH There are limited cycles available to do all the work that is requested.    - mark    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 10:59:06 +04009 From: "Chingiz Sadigov" <chingiz.sadigov@enk.ericsson.se>E
 Subject: testA0 Message-ID: <9ajldi$lgi$1@ronto.lmf.ericsson.se>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:43:44 +0800! From: "BB" <Trishgoo@hotmail.com>m2 Subject: Trade in VAX machine (Hong Kong location)1 Message-ID: <9ajhi3$k70$1@mail.hk.iasiaworks.com>   	 Dear All,R  L Our core application has been replaced by another one, so our production vaxL and backup vax machine are looking for trade in, here are the model for your
 reference.  ! VAX4000 model 104A Serving System 	 - 64M RamT - Raid controllere - 6 HD/ - X25 sync card for SWIFT messaging application  - Console monitor and keyboard   VAX4200 standby machine_  C I am pleased to give you further details if you are interest in it.t   Thanks and Regards,o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:42:40 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>& Subject: Re: TSM and terminal servers?> Message-ID: <hshubs-5971C9.20424005042001@news.mindspring.com>  G In article <3ACC7631.7C48BFFB@unh.edu>, Bob Kenney <rmk@unh.edu> wrote:-  A >	Not that I've seen.  The future does not lie that way, I guess.   7 Of course not.  It's hard to find a dumb terminal, too.M    C >	You can set the server prompt, but AFAIK none of the DEC terminal>J >   servers(or Xyplexes, either) allow for a port-specific prompt setting.  P Just bought new terminal servers from Lantronix.  They're very DECserver-like.  B Perhaps their web site (http://www.lantronix.com/ would be useful? -- / Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 02:34:14 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>& Subject: Re: TSM and terminal servers?) Message-ID: <3ACD2B60.3E5752E3@wi.rr.com>S  1 Not *preferred* service, but *dedicated* service.:  A Set those terminal server ports to "dedicated" and they'll alwaysF9 be connected to the service in question.  Your users willr2 never see the local prompt on the terminal server.   -Scott  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:l  
 > How about :s' > DEF PORT n PREFER SERVICE servicenamei > DEF PORT n AUTOCONNECT ENABLEs > LOGOUT PORT n  >_L > As far as I read, the original poster wants to be able to get the users to@ > a username prompt automatically, not a terminal server prompt.( > Preferred service is set port by port. > Steve. >v > Bob Kenney wrote/quoted :eC > >>>> Also, when a user logs off the VAX, they are returned to the97 > > terminal_server_name> prompt.  How to I set this so 0 > > they always return to a VAX username prompt? >_H >      You can set the server prompt, but AFAIK none of the DEC terminalK >    servers(or Xyplexes, either) allow for a port-specific prompt setting.- > <<<i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:42:33 -0600 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>h Subject: UCX .DAT Files - Path?m' Message-ID: <3ACD10F9.65B9D1AF@fsi.net>f  
 Hi, Folks,  E I have a challenge at work to combine two Alphas onto a common systemr3 disk. Each currently runs from its own system disk.s  H I've got most everything else worked out. What I don't know is about the' UCX$*.DAT files in the SYS$SYSTEM path.M  A When nodes share a common system disk, do they share a common UCXi database also?  = Should the UCX$*.DAT files be in the SYS$COMMON branch or the  SYS$SPECIFIC branch?  C Since you'll probably want to know, we're talking OVMS V7.1-2 + UCXAD V4.2, not sure what ECO level and no, I don't (think I) have the UCXF doc.'s. If these matter to anyone, one Alpha is a 4100, the other is aF 2100, the interconnect is currently DSSI (yes - you read that right!),A and each machine will have it's own local SCSI disk for secondary- pagefiles and such.-  ! What does anyone know 'bout this?e   -- S David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 22:16:04 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com># Subject: Re: UCX .DAT Files - Path?s6 Message-ID: <1010405220206.14173A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  , On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, David J. Dachtera wrote:   > Hi, Folks, > G > I have a challenge at work to combine two Alphas onto a common systems5 > disk. Each currently runs from its own system disk.A > J > I've got most everything else worked out. What I don't know is about the) > UCX$*.DAT files in the SYS$SYSTEM path.  > C > When nodes share a common system disk, do they share a common UCX% > database also? > ? > Should the UCX$*.DAT files be in the SYS$COMMON branch or theA > SYS$SPECIFIC branch?  = Lacking an authoritative answer, I would put them in the sameb> directories that they started from.  Most Compaq software that= was written by people who understand what's going on, put thes: files in the right places, even if you are installing on a< non-clustered node.  This is because the very next thing you> might do is convert it to a cluster by creating another system> root, and you shouldn't have to move things around to do that.  : (Notable exceptions seem to be software writen by hardware; engineers.  The old VAX diagnostics always seemed to end up0; in the private directories, usually with multiple identicale> copies on the shared system disk.  DECEvent ($ diagnose) seems to do the same thing.)  = You could look through CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM and see if it moves > any UCX files to common or private directories.  I didn't findA any references to TCP/IP or UCX in it though.  (Alpha VMS V7.2-1)n  B I also didn't find any UCX files mentioned in SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE.  = This leads me to believe all the UCX files are already in theu "right" place for a cluster.  E > Since you'll probably want to know, we're talking OVMS V7.1-2 + UCXtF > V4.2, not sure what ECO level and no, I don't (think I) have the UCXH > doc.'s. If these matter to anyone, one Alpha is a 4100, the other is aH > 2100, the interconnect is currently DSSI (yes - you read that right!),C > and each machine will have it's own local SCSI disk for secondarys > pagefiles and such.A > # > What does anyone know 'bout this?e   -- e John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:42:24 -0400o2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)# Subject: Re: UCX .DAT Files - Path?gL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0604010042240001@user-2ivecas.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <3ACD10F9.65B9D1AF@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"e <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   > Hi, Folks, > G > I have a challenge at work to combine two Alphas onto a common systeml5 > disk. Each currently runs from its own system disk.m > J > I've got most everything else worked out. What I don't know is about the) > UCX$*.DAT files in the SYS$SYSTEM path.e > C > When nodes share a common system disk, do they share a common UCX  > database also? > ? > Should the UCX$*.DAT files be in the SYS$COMMON branch or thet > SYS$SPECIFIC branch? > E > Since you'll probably want to know, we're talking OVMS V7.1-2 + UCXeF > V4.2, not sure what ECO level and no, I don't (think I) have the UCXH > doc.'s. If these matter to anyone, one Alpha is a 4100, the other is aH > 2100, the interconnect is currently DSSI (yes - you read that right!),C > and each machine will have it's own local SCSI disk for secondary- > pagefiles and such.- > # > What does anyone know 'bout this?e    @ On a system disk with one locally-connected alpha and a bunch of< satellites, OVMS V7.1-2 + UCX V4.2, I find UCX*.DAT files in8 SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] and SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR], but none in, SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE] or SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]  H So I guess you need to put the files into the same common directory.  If; they are different, you'll need to make them match somehow.D   -- H Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comc   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2001 21:55:55 -0500V7 From: hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton)dL Subject: Re: UCX .DAT Files - Path? - tread carefully, but worth the trip...3 Message-ID: <islZ$kCqrehK@eisner.encompasserve.org>>  	 Hi David,s  Q Since the directory structure changes ([ucx_*] to [tcpip$*]), and since there aretG some "gotchas" related to sys$common and sys$specific, I would suggest:e  Z o Study sys$manager:tcpip$config.com *carefully*.  When invoked initially, it will attempt? to "convert" the ucx$*.dat files from a very specific location.-  Q o If you have access to a "premiere" level of support from COMPAQ, (silver, gold,mK platinum) *make use of it*, if only to clarify some ambiguities in the doc.2  R o The TCPIP Services doc set is your friend, and is well worth the study up front.  O o If you have access to a "lab" or "test" machine, practice on it first, beforepD converting production, so that you can anticipate the trouble spots.  M I realize that a lot of this is obvious to the experienced VMS manager, but IFP attempted this upgrade as a "rookie", and was very grateful for the support fromP COMPAQ.  Sorry I can't provide more specifics, but I'm away from work right now,< and I did this a year or so ago - the details are fuzzy now.   Thanks,d Brad  \ >In article <3ACD10F9.65B9D1AF@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > Hi, Folks, > G > I have a challenge at work to combine two Alphas onto a common system 5 > disk. Each currently runs from its own system disk.a > J > I've got most everything else worked out. What I don't know is about the) > UCX$*.DAT files in the SYS$SYSTEM path.@ > C > When nodes share a common system disk, do they share a common UCXe > database also? > ? > Should the UCX$*.DAT files be in the SYS$COMMON branch or the  > SYS$SPECIFIC branch? > E > Since you'll probably want to know, we're talking OVMS V7.1-2 + UCXnF > V4.2, not sure what ECO level and no, I don't (think I) have the UCXH > doc.'s. If these matter to anyone, one Alpha is a 4100, the other is aH > 2100, the interconnect is currently DSSI (yes - you read that right!),C > and each machine will have it's own local SCSI disk for secondary0 > pagefiles and such.e > # > What does anyone know 'bout this?  >  > -- 2 > David J. DachteraA > dba DJE Systemss > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.S   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:33:11 -04002 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: Updated information2 Message-ID: <sE4z6.605$fB6.16615@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dear Newsgroup,R   Just a couple of things.  F If you are planning on attending either the Dallas or London technicalJ update days please make sure you stop by an introduce yourself. In my mindJ you all look like Harrison Ford or Patrick Stewart (my favorite actors and= all around handsome dudes) and its really messing up my head!p  = The London URL should be up tomorrow and I will post it here.s  G The Dallas URL is  http://www.dfwcug.org    Additionally Jim Becker hasaE kindly posted the presentations from the DC event (thank you Jim) at: J <http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/> you may want to take a look so you know what to expect.  K The question you have to ask your self is "Will Sue throw anything at me or G just the lighting fixtures?" If you were in DC you would know what thisg means.   ALSO  I The customer version of OpenVMS Times will be up on the external web siter= tomorrow morning (Warren refreshes the web site every eveningo  5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.htmla        Warm Regards,       Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:09:37 -0400t# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>m  Subject: Re: Updated information+ Message-ID: <3ACCDF11.DAC054E0@hsc.vcu.edu>i    I'd be happy to look normal. ;-D   Or, Klingon...   sincerely, Jim the humorousf   Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > Dear Newsgroup,o >  > Just a couple of things. > H > If you are planning on attending either the Dallas or London technicalL > update days please make sure you stop by an introduce yourself. In my mindL > you all look like Harrison Ford or Patrick Stewart (my favorite actors and? > all around handsome dudes) and its really messing up my head!g > ? > The London URL should be up tomorrow and I will post it here.c > I > The Dallas URL is  http://www.dfwcug.org    Additionally Jim Becker has G > kindly posted the presentations from the DC event (thank you Jim) at: L > <http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/> you may want to take a look so you > know what to expect. > M > The question you have to ask your self is "Will Sue throw anything at me oraI > just the lighting fixtures?" If you were in DC you would know what thist > means. >  > ALSO > K > The customer version of OpenVMS Times will be up on the external web site ? > tomorrow morning (Warren refreshes the web site every eveningr > 7 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.htmlT >  >      Warm Regards, > 	 >     Sue2   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:05:05 GMTo' From: "D. ten Brink" <brinkten@home.nl>a Subject: vax4000-105ao3 Message-ID: <lt2z6.35347$Gn3.494427@dbsch1.home.nl>    Hello,  E I live in Holland. The company i work for decided to dump the vax/vmsC system, so i brought it home.>  ( I have a vax4000-105a with open vms 5.1. 3 disk        2 x RF35                   1 x RF36  H a tape external TF85 with several tapes and a second cabinet with 3 disk rf71 1 terminal black/white vt5203 Is there anyone who is interested in this equipmente   D. ten Brink   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:08:09 GMTr' From: "D. ten Brink" <brinkten@home.nl>a Subject: Re: vax4000-105ad3 Message-ID: <dw2z6.35350$Gn3.494650@dbsch1.home.nl>e  I Sorry, i didn't write that i have also several books about the systen anda VMS,  also books for beginners.l    4 "D. ten Brink" <brinkten@home.nl> schreef in bericht- news:lt2z6.35347$Gn3.494427@dbsch1.home.nl...4 > Hello, >iG > I live in Holland. The company i work for decided to dump the vax/vmsp > system, so i brought it home.s >e* > I have a vax4000-105a with open vms 5.1. > 3 disk        2 x RF35 >                   1 x RF36 >rJ > a tape external TF85 with several tapes and a second cabinet with 3 disk > rf71 > 1 terminal black/white vt5205 > Is there anyone who is interested in this equipmenta >  > D. ten Brink >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 02:54:38 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: vax4000-105a2( Message-ID: <9aj0nj$hb5$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  ? Yes, I am. The 4105 is a huge increase in CPU power compared toI what I have right now.  
 Hans Vlems	 (Helmond)k, D. ten Brink heeft geschreven in bericht ... >Hello,h >eF >I live in Holland. The company i work for decided to dump the vax/vms >system, so i brought it home. >a) >I have a vax4000-105a with open vms 5.1.  >3 disk        2 x RF35n >                  1 x RF36r >sI >a tape external TF85 with several tapes and a second cabinet with 3 diskn >rf71e >1 terminal black/white vt520h4 >Is there anyone who is interested in this equipment >f
 >D. ten BrinkD >p >u >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 12:32:45 -0600h$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca># Subject: VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLEn) Message-ID: <3ACCBA4D.300E7F0E@cha.ab.ca>   F Sorry to pose such a general question.  More questions would follow if the answer is yes.  F Can a BASIC program read/write to an Oracle DB on a VMS/Alpha cluster?   -- Leet   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:38:40 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com0' Subject: Re: VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLEvD Message-ID: <OFA88863CC.805BC437-ON88256A25.006660D4@foundation.com>  % Have a general answer then - Yes. :-)-   Shane           8 Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> on 04/05/2001 11:32:45 AM  0 Please respond to Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com@ cc:h  $ Subject:  VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLE    F Sorry to pose such a general question.  More questions would follow if the answer is yes.  F Can a BASIC program read/write to an Oracle DB on a VMS/Alpha cluster?   -- Lee0   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:46:37 -0400& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>' Subject: Re: VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLEn5 Message-ID: <v_2z6.800$aF1.93983@weber.videotron.net>s   Hi!   H I never heard that Basic could do it, but Cobol certainly can. And Cobol+ programs can be linked with Basic programs.  If this can be of any help...n   --   Syltremj  http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem  > "Lee Y T Mah" <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> a crit dans le message news: 3ACCBA4D.300E7F0E@cha.ab.ca...H > Sorry to pose such a general question.  More questions would follow if > the answer is yes. >aH > Can a BASIC program read/write to an Oracle DB on a VMS/Alpha cluster? >  > -- > Lee  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:13:44 -0600,$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca># Subject: VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLEn) Message-ID: <3ACCC3E8.81567413@cha.ab.ca>C   OS:  VMS/Alpha  7.1-2h Cluster:  AlphaServer nodesr7 Programming language:  BASIC 1.3  (Inhouse programming) @ DB:  Oracle 8.1.7.0.0            (Future possibility.  Not RDB.)  G What interface would be required to read/write to the Oracle DB from an  Alpha BASIC program?* What experience have users had doing this?   TIA.     -- LeeC   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Apr 2001 15:31:11 -0700*1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)e' Subject: Re: VMS Alpha BASIC and ORACLEd, Message-ID: <iuqxY0IgGz0y@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  * In article <3ACCC3E8.81567413@cha.ab.ca>, )    Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> writes:c   > OS:  VMS/Alpha  7.1-2s > Cluster:  AlphaServer nodese9 > Programming language:  BASIC 1.3  (Inhouse programming) B > DB:  Oracle 8.1.7.0.0            (Future possibility.  Not RDB.) > I > What interface would be required to read/write to the Oracle DB from anp > Alpha BASIC program?  D    You use the OCI routines supplied by Oracle. You'll probably find: it easier to use the FORTRAN bindings than the C bindings.  , > What experience have users had doing this? >   C     We have several significant applications running here which useY? this method. The approach I took was to build a shareable image C of routines which interface to Oracle and then link our programs totF that library. This simplifies program maintenance immensely - only theC shared library needs to use Oracle's special link procedures and ifhC the version of Oracle is changed you only need to relink the sharedi8 image - otherwise you'd need to relink all the programs.  E    If you'd like I could send you a sample of the routines. I've usedoD them successfully on Oracle 7.3.2 and 8.1.6 - I'm pretty sure they'd also work on 8.1.7.e  M =============================================================================sB Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnettE                                                     host:  mala.bc.caiH Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 14:47:23 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>1$ Subject: Re: VMS-Related: Affordable( Message-ID: <9aiek8$pkq$1@pyrite.mv.net>  8 Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message# news:3ACC9B4D.FF3AA2B2@bbc.co.uk...h >  >h > Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: >s3 > > Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:p > >wK > > > Why would one WANT to code an application where one was not confidentt thatL > > > when the OS said the I/O had completed that it HAD actually completed?  H My God - are people in c.o.v. *truly* this ineducable about how 'normal'L access on THEIR OWN OS works?  I mean, I've explained it more than a handful: of times, and some of them to the same folks posting here.  J For sequential population of sequential files (which sure sounds like whatD is being discussed here), RMS happily reports completion of the $PUTK operation without (usually) performing any on-disk update.  The main reason.K its performance is so much worse than that of a typical Unix system is that K it uses small (in-process, default size 8 KB IIRC) buffers that need to getsG written back to disk much more frequently than the contents of the UnixkI system cache does.  So there's NO MORE GUARANTEE AT ALL that the data youdL think is on disk actually is on disk than in a Unix system, unless you issueI a $FLUSH instruction (which is similar to 'syncing' the file in Unix:  in$? both cases, completion ensures that the data is *now* on disk).t  K My impression is that the C RTL in its emulation of RMS does something veryt; similar, but I'm far less familiar with that end of things.h   > >eH > > If you are using the (VAX)C RTL, it is doing two layers of buffering withL > > synchronous I/O - the worst case. And it gives the user no control. WhatE > > you do want is some form of checkpointing - be sure that you onlyu continueL > > after a certain point when all I/O has successfully completed, but don't careJ > > before. It is very much like having a relaxed memory consistency model and 
 > > barriers.d > >a > B > Sounds a bit like having multiple pending $QIO's and waiting for
 completion > asynchronously. L > Not something you'd want programmers who do not understand what is happing at the >dJ > silicon level, or the concept of deadlock, to be playing with really. Or am I > just old fashioned?d  ? No, just clueless.  Both $FLUSH and Unix-style 'sync' have verylK easily-understood semantics (though RMS itself is sufficiently more complex C than Unix-style access that I'd have to say 'sync' is *more* easilyV understood).  J PLEASE try to understand this this time:  this is really getting tiresome.   - bill   >t > H > > It's not what the OS offers, it is what the user (RTL, in this case) does > > with the OS's capabilities.i > >, > >         Jani >w > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk5 > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of0 > MedAS or the BBC.r >n >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 21:16:46 GMT-+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan).G Subject: Re: What to do with old CDROMS... (do NOT try this at home...)J4 Message-ID: <2h5z6.6896$JN5.159733@news.goodnet.com>  G > I am throwing away most of my DEC stuff, accumulated over 20 years ornI > so. Amongst the detritus (5 3100s, 4000/76, several AXPs etc...) are 10e > years worth of CONDIST.o  F You do realize that some or all of this stuff could bring decent moneyG on Ebay or through other channels?  I don't need it (11 years of CDs oncG the shelf behind me, and none of it is getting nuked, thanks! :) or I'dSH make on offer, but doubtless your trash would be treasure to quite a fewD folks out there... and cash in hand might make up for your lost fun.   Rich Jordann rjordan@mcs.neti   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 17:11:25 -060001 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>nG Subject: Re: What to do with old CDROMS... (do NOT try this at home...) ' Message-ID: <3ACCFB9D.4BD69005@fsi.net>e   Nicholas Mark de Smith wrote:  >   > I just couldn't resist this... > G > I am throwing away most of my DEC stuff, accumulated over 20 years or.I > so. Amongst the detritus (5 3100s, 4000/76, several AXPs etc...) are 10N > years worth of CONDIST.$  > I'll buy what you haven't already destroyed. Please contact me
 privately.   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 12:38:26 +0100c  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com8 Subject: Re: [Q] DCL minute of the day: case sensitivityH Message-ID: <OF9E1593D3.65208255-ON80256A25.003F6C4B@qedi.quintiles.com>  H Instead of making f$mode() case insensitive, why not be case insensitive4 yourself and stop breaking customer procedures? :-)) Steve.   Didier Morandi wrote:dF >>>Why is f$parse(...) (and others) case unsensitive and f$mode() case
 sensitive?I Could this be changed? I often break Customers procedures converting them  in' lowercases (procedures, not Customers)." <<<    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.192 ************************