1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 15 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 211       Contents: Re: "The Puzzle Palace"  LAT and file transfer  Re: LAT and file transfer  Re: MacOS X and OpenVMS D more ino[Dfo on my problem of not being able to send SMTP emailH Re: more ino [D    fo on my problem of not being able to send SMTP email OpenVMS FAQ ( Star Office progress report (on Solaris) Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7 $ Re: Strage I/O bottleneck [hobbyist]- RE: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area - RE: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area - Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area - Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area - Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area - Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area  Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS  VMS news stuff.  Re: VMS news stuff.  Re: VMS news stuff.  Re: VMS news stuff. 5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.) 5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:49:34 GMT ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>   Subject: Re: "The Puzzle Palace"= Message-ID: <OFhC6.668895$JT5.17890115@news20.bellglobal.com>   F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:Pgsn4WEYiW$j@eisner.encompasserve.org... L > In article <n31C6.579742$f36.17085745@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: [ snip ] > 9 > Certainly that was just a clever bit of disinformation, > > planted to stave the impending invasion of the US by Canada. > ! > Hey, it worked for 10 years :-)    :-)   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:41:15 +0200 * From: "Karel Sandler" <sandler@ujf.cas.cz> Subject: LAT and file transfer* Message-ID: <9bbtr5$bu5$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz>   Hi,   E         I acquired MicroVAX 3100 now, running 5.5-2, and have also an I Alpha(Tru64) system. I can use LAT to communicate in both directions, and I would like to know if I can use LAT somehow to transfer a binary file. My L vms runs probably DECnet (netacp.exe), but I have no experience, as yet, and4 no other machine with DECnet, so the question above.  
 Karel Sandler  ---  e-mail:  sandler@ujf.cas.cz  phone:   420-2-66173271 ( address: NPI, 250 68 Rez, Czech Republic   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:01:51 +0200 + From: "Michel HERRSCHER" <mhc@herrscher.fr> " Subject: Re: LAT and file transfer% Message-ID: <9bbusn$jr3$1@wanadoo.fr>    AFAIK : Impossible via LAT  K try the KERMIT freeware. or use DECNET( end node licence is included in the  hobbyist VMS, I think)   --   Michel HERRSCHER CONSULTANT C Trsorier Adjoint WindevAsso Association des dveloppeurs WinDev(c) I Email = mhc@herrscher.fr  ; Tl.+33(0)450870912 ;  Fax: +33(0)450871741 ;  GSM:+33(0)609044711   B "Karel Sandler" <sandler@ujf.cas.cz> a crit dans le message news: 9bbtr5$bu5$1@ns.felk.cvut.cz...  > Hi,  > G >         I acquired MicroVAX 3100 now, running 5.5-2, and have also an K > Alpha(Tru64) system. I can use LAT to communicate in both directions, and K > would like to know if I can use LAT somehow to transfer a binary file. My J > vms runs probably DECnet (netacp.exe), but I have no experience, as yet, and 6 > no other machine with DECnet, so the question above. >  > Karel Sandler  > ---  > e-mail:  sandler@ujf.cas.cz  > phone:   420-2-66173271 * > address: NPI, 250 68 Rez, Czech Republic >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:49:51 -0400 . From: Chuck McCrobie <mccrobie@cablespeed.com>  Subject: Re: MacOS X and OpenVMS. Message-ID: <3AD9D12F.3492D007@cablespeed.com>   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > L > I figured I'd let people know since I know there are quite a few Mac usersJ > here that after installing the Mac OS X V10.0.1 update that was releasedC > yesterday I'm now able to mount NFS volumes on my OpenVMS server.  > F > While not as satisfactory as using Native Appletalk, it's once againL > possible to mount drives on an OpenVMS box.  I've got to admit though, I'mL > still hoping someone releases software to allow mounting drives via nativeI > Appletalk!  As it stands I don't think I'll be able to access all those 7 > classic Mac files on my server without mangling them.  > L > So, while I still don't think I'm ready to use Mac OS X full time, it just > might be improving.  >  >                         Zane   --   --    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Apr 2001 08:51:42 GMT' From: helbig@man.ac.uk (Phillip Helbig) M Subject: more ino[Dfo on my problem of not being able to send SMTP email - Message-ID: <9bbneu$1tko$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>   @ I'm still trying to solve the problem.  I guess Easter isn't the best time to do so.   G I put the ISPs SMTP server (or wwhhat I think the ISP's SMT P server P is) as the lateralternate gateway.  Still no change in the bahaehaviour.  A I suspet pect it is nsome inconsistencey rgegarding various A configguuration settings at various places (SMTP, NAME_SERVICE,  ROUTE).    . quit        ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:19:21 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)Q Subject: Re: more ino [D    fo on my problem of not being able to send SMTP email ; Message-ID: <3ad9bbf9.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   ( Phillip Helbig (helbig@man.ac.uk) wrote:C > I put the ISPs SMTP server (or what I think the ISP's SMTP server A > is) as the alternate gateway. Still no change in the behaviour.   ( An SMTP server is easy to test for: Just  #   $ telnet isp.smtp.server /port=25   $ It should return with something like  I   220 isp.smtp.server <something about the software used> ready at <time>    Introduce yourself with      HELO your.computer.name   . You should then be greeted with something like  C   250 isp.smtp.server Hello your.computer.name, pleased to meet you    You can then     QUIT   answered by something like  %   221 isp.smtp.server closing session   F This shows whether DNS and routing are functional, and whether there's" an SMTP server on isp.smtp.server.  7 > I suspect it is some inconsistencey regarding various ? > configuration settings at various places (SMTP, NAME_SERVICE, 	 > ROUTE).   H The alternate gateway is the one to set, but the /ZONE option is equallyF important for UCX^H^H^HDEC^H^H^HCompaq TCP/IP to differentiate betweenF local and remote destinations. The default is /NOZONE, i.e. it doesn't even use the gateway setting.   E If setting the zone doesn't work, perhaps you'd be willing to give us / something to work with by posting the output of    $ TCPIP SHOW NAME_SERVICE    $ TCPIP SHOW ROUTE!   $ TCPIP SHOW CONFIGURATION SMTP    cu,    Martin --  J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:16:40 +0200 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: OpenVMS FAQ+ Message-ID: <3AD9D778.3DD48A3B@digital.com>   
 to c.o.v-ers:   2 A HTML version of the latest OpenVMS FAQ is up at:+ http://eisner.encompasserve.org/vms/faq.htm 7 (formerly known as http://eisner.decus.org/vms/faq.htm)   > Please refer errors in HTML coding to your humble servant, and errors in content elsewhere.   Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2001 11:25:05 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Star Office progress report (on Solaris) 3 Message-ID: <K2bSXxtL$uKQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   : > X-NEWS: eisner.encompasserve.org comp.sys.sun.apps: 2842 > Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!news.cas.org!not-for-mail > From: lvirden@cas.org  > Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps + > Subject: Re: StarOffice dumps core grrrrr  > Date: 7 Apr 2001 11:21:19 GMT 8 > Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc. > Lines: 13 * > Message-ID: <9amt7f$iea$1@srv38.cas.org>. > References: <986591324.599709@dns2.serv.net> > Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org % > NNTP-Posting-Host: lwv26awu.cas.org  > Mime-Version: 1.0 , > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII! > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT - > X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) - > Originator: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden) 8 > Xref: dfw-artgen.news.verio.net comp.sys.sun.apps:2842 >  >  > G > sounds similar to my experiences.  Given that the whole reason for me K > attempting the install was to prove to my management that StarOffice, now I > owned by Sun, was a good choice for investment, and that I've tried for H > 9 months now and still haven't gotten it to work (despite a variety ofI > suggestions from the great people in this newsgroup), I can see now why : > convincing a company to move to StarOffice is so hard... > --   > --  < > "See, he's not just anyone ... he's my son."  Mark SchultzG > <URL: mailto:lvirden@cas.org> <URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/> D > Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:29:25 GMT ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Status of EV7= Message-ID: <VmhC6.668843$JT5.17887490@news20.bellglobal.com>    [snip]  @ > > Can you imagine the problems if they had to modify the core? > G > IIRC, they did have to crack the core to modify the L2 cache control. ' > Perhaps that's one reason it is late.  > --F > Paul W. DeMone       The 801 experiment SPARCed an ARMs race of EPICG > Kanata, Ontario      proportions to put more PRECISION and POWER into I > demone@mosaid.com    architectures with MIPSed results but ALPHA's well & > pdemone@igs.net      that ends well.   I stand corrected...  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:32:40 GMT ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Status of EV7= Message-ID: <YphC6.668852$JT5.17888116@news20.bellglobal.com>   1 "Greg Lindahl" <lindahl@pbm.com> wrote in message & news:9bb36p$qdg$1@feed.textport.net... >  [snip] > H > They do? Funny, I really doubt it. And, once again, while this kind ofE > posting may be normal for the VMS newsgroups, please keep it out of A > comp.arch and comp.sys.super. Thank you for your consideration.  >  > -- g  H Sorry Greg but I was just replying to a post in "comp.os.vms" and didn't1 notice that the original had been cross posted...   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:47:13 GMT ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: Status of EV7= Message-ID: <BDhC6.668888$JT5.17889917@news20.bellglobal.com>   ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 7 news:Mo7C6.15345$%_1.3382791@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...  >  [snip] > B > Well that would bite, and probably harder than PIRANHA, the chipC > multiprocessing project at the Western Research Lab whose fate is H > questionable in light of the fact that CPQ cut its R&D resources by 25 > percent last December. > K On a related note, I just read an article titled "Speculative Multithreaded H Processors" in the April 2001 issue of "Computer" (published by the IEEEI Computer Society).  The yellow box on P.68 mentions "the Piranha Project"  and names 11 Compaq authors.  G But just because we're reading about it in April doesn't mean this team / wasn't part of the 25% reduction you mentioned.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:15:10 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  Subject: Re: Status of EV7( Message-ID: <9bcku5$nce$1@pyrite.mv.net>  4 "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message7 news:YphC6.668852$JT5.17888116@news20.bellglobal.com... 3 > "Greg Lindahl" <lindahl@pbm.com> wrote in message ( > news:9bb36p$qdg$1@feed.textport.net... > >  > [snip] > > J > > They do? Funny, I really doubt it. And, once again, while this kind ofG > > posting may be normal for the VMS newsgroups, please keep it out of C > > comp.arch and comp.sys.super. Thank you for your consideration.  > >  > > -- g > J > Sorry Greg but I was just replying to a post in "comp.os.vms" and didn't3 > notice that the original had been cross posted...   D No need to apologize:  Greg's often a bit of an asshole, and there'sI absolutely nothing wrong with this kind of discussion in comp.arch (can't K speak for comp.super, not being acquainted with it) in the apparent opinion : many/most of its participants (who often happily join in).   - bill   >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.# > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:17:54 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  Subject: Re: Status of EV7( Message-ID: <9bcl3a$ncr$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 7 news:Mo7C6.15345$%_1.3382791@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...  > 6 > "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote in message9 > news:p07C6.667207$JT5.17840613@news20.bellglobal.com... 
 > > [snip] > > H > > > One would think that Compaq would deal with the issue in a prudent > manner > > byL > > > hiring additional Alpha developers, and by doing whatever is necessary > toI > > > retain the existing brain trust. But if one thought that, one would  > likely > > > be wrong. Sad, isn't it? > > J > > I read somewhere recently that at 5:00 PM every day a company's assets > walkF > > out the door and they are simply expected to return at 9:00 AM the > following  > > morning. > > I > > Some very talented people have permanently left the Alpha design team  > (trulyG > > Beethovens and Bachs of their field) but the pin-heads running most  large L > > companies still believe that you can just hire replacements right out ofK > > school to pick up where the others left off. This is one of the reasons  > EV7 I > > is late. Can you imagine the problems if they had to modify the core?  > >  > B > Well that would bite, and probably harder than PIRANHA, the chipC > multiprocessing project at the Western Research Lab whose fate is H > questionable in light of the fact that CPQ cut its R&D resources by 25 > percent last December.  I Hey, how much R&D does a box-assembler need, anyway?  Especially when the 4 number of boxes being assembled starts to decline...   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:23:01 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Status of EV7= Message-ID: <VNkC6.17090$%_1.3765561@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:9bcl3a$ncr$1@pyrite.mv.net...  K > Hey, how much R&D does a box-assembler need, anyway?  Especially when the 6 > number of boxes being assembled starts to decline...  I And therein lies the rub. If Compaq has decided that it wants to be a box F assembler when it grows up, it might as well eschew the enterprise andJ emulate Dell (Intel commodity components, no value add) until such time as( Dell buries the skeletal remains of CPQ.  C That said, CPQ would be well served by emulating Dell in the Wintel G mainstream (1P through 4P space) so long as CPQ chooses to play in thate market.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 23:51:58 -0700e! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>- Subject: Re: Strage I/O bottleneck [hobbyist]M+ Message-ID: <3AD9450E.F4A4503D@tmisnet.com>   ? Do you have High-water marking enabled on the disks.  Do a showg4 device/full on the disks look for Highwater marking.  6 It sounds like it is erasing the space for the saveset   Regards    Cass Witkowski SAIC   Dean Woodward wrote:  8 > System: AS1200, 256MB RAM. Firmware kit 5.9 installed.9 > VMS 7.2-1, no patches yet. DECNet +, basic config; it's F > the first member of a cluster (The other members don't exist yet...) >sA > Disks are all internal and connected via KZPSC (single channel) 
 > as follows: 7 >   SYS$SYSDEVICE - RZ1CB-VW - single disk JBOD (ODS-2) 7 >   SYS$USER1     - RZ29B-VW - 5 member RAID 5  (ODS-5)  > ? > I'm setting this up with hobbyist licenses, and trying to FTPt= > savesets to it.  Whatever drive I attempt to drop a saveset = > to fairly well locks up, for ~10 minutes, then takes off as-; > normal.  While the drive light is on steady, IO rates are ! > not only modest, but near zero.j >:= > Any leads?  I haven't checked firmware (on the controller).5= > The system's only been up for a matter of hours; it did the.  > autogen during cluster config.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2001 11:27:07 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>6 Subject: RE: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area6 Message-ID: <20010415112707.26229.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  7 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:-K >Damn! I wonder if anyone who can make it would be interested in presentingt >a petition.......  : Precisely what would you be interested in petitioning for?  J There are a multitude of faults with The Q's visible strategy for OpenVMS.I And I don't think any promises would be worth the paper they were printed  on.   8 Here's a start on the points I see as needing addressed:  )   o  Inappropriate Educational Programme.t  *   o  Overpricing of hardware and licenses.  2   o  Lack of commitment to marketing the platform.     Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----e Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOtjWcsriC3SGiziTAQGZNAgAgSzDxoUrY3afjpLt9H5nHNjkFtGRisCz@ JuxMp4c/Hifi9iss2rCYJff200p9vbbvnsUutep5RA7LX9pLpa8TQFCuJ9rrIpyo@ vy0yxTAM2opr/Y1JCQ0J6wMvs6bhAbv4YSfKIs+dgOasuDoSjoaUHdwVxpHV4w5i@ SXLwI/I/eSEDlmRJnlvzLbrHo5gQ76nfXmIIfVIwO1hXTI/J0rO8dUrP0IWlAnCm@ yG59OUSCoLh5pw4BX5d6Ly2lbH0dlrID2QUbu7qEwn8Je1EA9P0037JuLf3SPrfs8 ygMUuTbI0uj6Ll1zFoENXxmmPoPbIy8W+lVwJZJvaiQoW/VqZtf5Zw== =4pC7a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----e   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2001 07:03:20 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) 6 Subject: RE: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area, Message-ID: <ze6J8mXVHkex@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  7 In article <20010415112707.26229.qmail@nym.alias.net>, ):     Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:  : > Here's a start on the points I see as needing addressed: > + >   o  Inappropriate Educational Programme.d  6    The good news is that a highly reliable source has : reported in this newsgroup that Mr. Marcello is working on= this. The bad news is he's been doing this for about 6 monthst and nothing has happened yet.m   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2001 20:08:33 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area- Message-ID: <87bspy74ce.fsf@prep.synonet.com>7  6 Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:  9 > On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:1  B > >Damn! I wonder if anyone who can make it would be interested in > >presenting a petition......  < > Precisely what would you be interested in petitioning for?  C > There are a multitude of faults with The Q's visible strategy foraC > OpenVMS.  And I don't think any promises would be worth the papera > they were printed on.e  5 Perhaps if both where nailed to the tree ;) "R.M.M.V"e   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.x@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:39:10 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area= Message-ID: <ygjC6.17066$%_1.3714030@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:ze6J8mXVHkex@malvm1.mala.bc.ca...   > > - > >   o  Inappropriate Educational Programme.r >n7 >    The good news is that a highly reliable source hasm< > reported in this newsgroup that Mr. Marcello is working on? > this. The bad news is he's been doing this for about 6 monthst > and nothing has happened yet.S >   H From what I gather the folks responsible for the educational program areF somewhat taken aback that people would look a gift horse in the mouth.J Compaq is of the opinion that offering free single-user licenses (which ofL course you have to sign up for and download from the Web on an annual basis)H is a Good Thing and that it complements the CSLG which can be applied to multiuser systems.  G Over 40 universities are now using the free edu license program, so thelE opposition isn't exactly universal. I suspect Compaq would appreciate9J constructive input on how the program could be improved; griping about its+ deficiencies won't cut much ice with the Q.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:11:40 GMTn4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area= Message-ID: <0LjC6.17072$%_1.3731517@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>i  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagew7 news:ygjC6.17066$%_1.3714030@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...g >t@ > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message( > news:ze6J8mXVHkex@malvm1.mala.bc.ca... >  > > >T/ > > >   o  Inappropriate Educational Programme.s > > 9 > >    The good news is that a highly reliable source hasf> > > reported in this newsgroup that Mr. Marcello is working onA > > this. The bad news is he's been doing this for about 6 monthso! > > and nothing has happened yet.c > >M > J > From what I gather the folks responsible for the educational program areH > somewhat taken aback that people would look a gift horse in the mouth.L > Compaq is of the opinion that offering free single-user licenses (which ofG > course you have to sign up for and download from the Web on an annual  basis)J > is a Good Thing and that it complements the CSLG which can be applied to > multiuser systems. >II > Over 40 universities are now using the free edu license program, so theTG > opposition isn't exactly universal. I suspect Compaq would appreciatenL > constructive input on how the program could be improved; griping about its- > deficiencies won't cut much ice with the Q.p >w  L Apropos to the above, one place you can register your suggestions, et al, is the Advocacy Web site at www.compaqworkinggroup.org  G Material submitted to said site will be evaluated for the next round ofa- voting; submissions can be made until June 5.D  J And yes, the site still uses Java. Those who eschew Java and such can sendL an email to compaqworkinggroup@sba.com to learn about alternative methods of issue submission.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 13:37:43 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>n6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area( Message-ID: <9bcm8g$o2b$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageh7 news:ygjC6.17066$%_1.3714030@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...t >a@ > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message( > news:ze6J8mXVHkex@malvm1.mala.bc.ca... >t > > >,/ > > >   o  Inappropriate Educational Programme.- > >-9 > >    The good news is that a highly reliable source has-> > > reported in this newsgroup that Mr. Marcello is working onA > > this. The bad news is he's been doing this for about 6 monthsf! > > and nothing has happened yet.  > >g >DJ > From what I gather the folks responsible for the educational program areH > somewhat taken aback that people would look a gift horse in the mouth.  G Perhaps they need a bit of education themselves about exactly what such!K programs are meant to accomplish.  They're not a form of corporate-providedtL welfare for education (AFAIK, Compaq isn't in the welfare business), they'reH a form of marketing to a small but arguably important segment.  And whenH your marketing isn't effective in its target market, you don't blame theJ customers, you listen to their observations and change it to satisfy them.  L > Compaq is of the opinion that offering free single-user licenses (which ofG > course you have to sign up for and download from the Web on an annualr basis)J > is a Good Thing and that it complements the CSLG which can be applied to > multiuser systems. >rI > Over 40 universities are now using the free edu license program, so thesG > opposition isn't exactly universal. I suspect Compaq would appreciatetL > constructive input on how the program could be improved; griping about its- > deficiencies won't cut much ice with the Q.a  G There's certainly been no lack of constructive input in this forum, anddJ several participants have indicated that they've pursued official channelsG as well.  A frequent theme has been point-by-point comparison of Compaqm* programs with those of others such as Sun.  7 The problem isn't lack of input, it's lack of response."   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2001 17:55:47 +0200& From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS) Message-ID: <9bcga3$356$1@kadath.deep.it>,  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  E > it be to write an application on VMS to query the router to get the4O > information such as the IP address assigned by the ISP, and more importantly,e > the DNS address of the ISP ?  F If your router provides SNMP, maybe you can obtain these value in thisB way, you just have to discover which OID is used (if there's one).  F If it has remote logging support, the "syslog" service used on unixes,@ and VMS is able to receive this kind of informations, maybe that informations are logged here.w  E As a last chance, you have to write a program that does a TELNET intolA the router, login, do the appropriate commands and then parse thed resulting output!d   	enumeratingly,p 	   Cthulhue   --    G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!m# 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2001 17:27:07 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: VMS news stuff.- Message-ID: <87ofty7btg.fsf@prep.synonet.com>    If you don't know of it, go to http://www.theinquirer.org  : Bit on the London do, and mention of the usual suspects :)     -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.b@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:41:52 GMTw4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: VMS news stuff.= Message-ID: <4jjC6.17068$%_1.3715993@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>j  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message7' news:87ofty7btg.fsf@prep.synonet.com...n >"  > If you don't know of it, go to > http://www.theinquirer.org >1< > Bit on the London do, and mention of the usual suspects :) >   K The Inquirer is perpetrated by Mike Magee, an emigre from The Register. ThecJ site has been operational since late March and is worth a visit. I suspect: Mike would appreciate and exploit newsworthy VMS material.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2001 00:50:43 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: VMS news stuff.- Message-ID: <87u23q5cpo.fsf@prep.synonet.com>l  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagen) > news:87ofty7btg.fsf@prep.synonet.com...  > >e" > > If you don't know of it, go to > > http://www.theinquirer.org > >e> > > Bit on the London do, and mention of the usual suspects :)    ? > The Inquirer is perpetrated by Mike Magee, an emigre from The A > Register. The site has been operational since late March and is7< > worth a visit. I suspect Mike would appreciate and exploit > newsworthy VMS material.  K Funny that, he seems to run at least two Alpha article a week. Now I wonderd where he's getting it? :)e  H Not from the Q's marketing dept I'll bet. Well, not till after the show.   -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:20:02 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: VMS news stuff.= Message-ID: <6LkC6.17089$%_1.3764251@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>w  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:87u23q5cpo.fsf@prep.synonet.com... 8 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >w= > > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messagec+ > > news:87ofty7btg.fsf@prep.synonet.com.... > > >p$ > > > If you don't know of it, go to  > > > http://www.theinquirer.org > > > @ > > > Bit on the London do, and mention of the usual suspects :) >o >vA > > The Inquirer is perpetrated by Mike Magee, an emigre from TheeC > > Register. The site has been operational since late March and ise> > > worth a visit. I suspect Mike would appreciate and exploit > > newsworthy VMS material. >pF > Funny that, he seems to run at least two Alpha article a week. Now I wonder > where he's getting it? :)   % Why ask why? At least it's out there!w   >hJ > Not from the Q's marketing dept I'll bet. Well, not till after the show.  L What marketing department? Charlie Matco informs me that marketing is taking6 a hideous hit in the current round of belt-tightening.  3 But the peecee commercials no doubt will live on...e   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2001 11:45:06 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>> Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)5 Message-ID: <20010415114506.1588.qmail@nym.alias.net>   " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  C On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:t >Jack Peacock wrote:@ >> What is so terrible about transferring VMS technology to NT?  >hK >Back to Digital. Its main source of revenue was VMS. It was being attackediK >by Microsoft and Sun. Palmer decided to give up on VMS and give it away too' >competitors. Digital no longer exists.A  H And how long for The Q if they don't wake up and realise what their realA assets are - and how to promote them properly. It *is* the stupidu< marketing. Sometimes it must be the marketing to the stupid.  L >If you want to survive, you are expected to protect your assets, not donate >them to your competitors. > L >At the very least, Palmer should have made those VMS parts "public domain",N >since Digital would have gotten much better PR, publicy and exposure from the >move. g  H Public domain may not be the ideal move for OpenVMS, but as David MathogH has pointed out, education is a critical part of the puzzle. I'd like toI see the Educational Programme altered to allow university staff access to E hobbyist licensing. That might help ensure a supply of graduates with ? relevant skills. Plus giving all the VMS sources to educationals establishments.r  J >Remember that Palmer exchanged VMS technologies for the right to sell NT.  F And I'll bet Microshaft laughed their asses off when Alpha support wasI dropped. Seems it was just required until they got the goods from Compaq.n  D As far as "Future Computing" goes, it would appear I asked too big aH question. Some COV members are resigned to the slow death of VMS, othersJ see it surviving in a niche. As far as I am concerned, it will not surviveI in its niche if the people are not there. Nor will it survive if its costcI remains so high. Greed may well kill off The Q's best asset. No amount ofeB people shuffling will change this, it is a change to attitudes and philosophy that is required.     Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----A Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOtjWcsriC3SGiziTAQHc9wgAkMhxHvjDfO5yFS5Koicj0XGzrwz7m2TW@ Ty1dBhbvfiLkP+tMCKVekuHAhuuw7gVDTZEhkJ7mq9640aMB1r8+feD14Cdy+jJw@ famhovlgcUK4CNITvkQ7NMjtyGUGR4VSijmzqYX0Xniy3fF1Qm7yzn07GQL2SuMi@ cZ5c+GY5Zzc214TpCvSk6Y3r7r4CMSPslANXyxXlkLov89AG5edXvWhBjXLcvnBq@ 1bEG7ssrE1sNx7KSm4ruBO8j04HrKTccu/Wk3dPVCi3EniiajShJ4eooR82uBhgT8 Slfqi816I4Tfayw5049dNOnhzdNdwJl1NTl6sT6ly1pe+2/UqXTDoA== =eIko  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----h   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:27:01 GMTe4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>> Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)= Message-ID: <95jC6.17064$%_1.3707580@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>s  A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in messaget/ news:20010415114506.1588.qmail@nym.alias.net... $ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > E > On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:r  L > >Remember that Palmer exchanged VMS technologies for the right to sell NT. >:H > And I'll bet Microshaft laughed their asses off when Alpha support wasK > dropped. Seems it was just required until they got the goods from Compaq.  >A  J First off, erstwhile Digital CTO Bill Strecker negotiated the Alliance forI Enterprise Computing. Thanks to a lack of negotiating skills and businesslH acumen, Digital got the short end of the stick. Not that it matters now,- both Palmer and Strecker are ancient history.p  F Secondly, Microsoft didn't laugh when Compaq cancelled Win64 on Alpha.L Microsoft wanted Windows on the GS-Series as a 'big iron" proof point. ThingC is, Microsoft, in the spirit of Tom Sawyer, felt that Compaq shoulddK whitewash the fence (e.g. pay for the development of Win64). Cognizant that K a Microsoft Business Partner often is an Organ Donor, Compaq elected not toG play that game.o  K In any event, Microsoft continues to this day to develop its 64-bit code onT Alpha platforms.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.211 ************************