1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 16 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 212       Contents: Re: LAT and file transfer  Re: max disk size on 5.5-2H Re: Novice VAXstation 4000 VLC user has various problems ... please help Re: Status of EV7  Re: Status of EV7 - Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area - Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area - Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area  Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS  Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS  Re: VMS news stuff. 5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:43:50 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> " Subject: Re: LAT and file transfer' Message-ID: <3ADA5C66.ED95A02F@fsi.net>    Karel Sandler wrote: >  > Hi,  > G >         I acquired MicroVAX 3100 now, running 5.5-2, and have also an K > Alpha(Tru64) system. I can use LAT to communicate in both directions, and I > would like to know if I can use LAT somehow to transfer a binary file.    F A terminal session of LAT can run Kermit between VMS systems, or WRQ'sE proprietary protocol using the VAXLINK2 program on VMS and Reflection , Terminal emulation programs on DOS/Windows.   G X/Y/Zmodem will also run over an LAT link. You can find the VRZ and VSZ F programs (X/Y/Zmodem Receive/Send programs for VMS) on WRQ's FTP site, if you dig deep enough.   8 Otherwise, set up DECnet on each node, and COPY like so:   $ COPY filespec node_name::    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:46:12 GMT - From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com> # Subject: Re: max disk size on 5.5-2 ( Message-ID: <3ADA1694.64EC691F@home.com>  
 Dave S wrote:  > F > Does anyone know off the top of their head what is the max disk sizeI > that can be supported under this version. I seem to recall 4-6 GB range  > but not sure.   A 	I have working RZ29B-VA drives (4.3 GB) on my VAXServer 4000/300 B running VMS v5.5-2 with no problem.  They hang off an old CMD SCSI
 controllerB though, so that would be important.  I don't know what model it is off-handF nor do I know about any other SCSI controllers.  That will probably be more important than VMS...    Rick   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 03:48:19 GMT  From: adroso@home.com (ADR) Q Subject: Re: Novice VAXstation 4000 VLC user has various problems ... please help : Message-ID: <3ada6a34.160225789@news.jamison1.pa.home.com>  F Thanks to everyone who has helped me get my VAXstation 4000 VLC up andC running.  The major problem was a corrupted VMSIMAGES.DAT file, and D once I copied over a new one, the system booted fine.  It also has aB bad drive that won't mount and the MOUNT command for that drive inD STARTUP was hanging things up, so I commented it out and will try toE recover the disk, but I don't think I'll be able to.  Thanks again to  everybody..    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:21:55 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net (Douglas Siebert)  Subject: Re: Status of EV7+ Message-ID: <9bcvt3$5t8$1@sword.avalon.net>   4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  L >finding new employment at IBM, Sun, and HP.  Indeed, I suspect that if the L >Alpha situation does not improve rapidly the Q is soon going to have a veryI >hard time keeping the lot of them from seeking alternative employment in H >the very near future.  Q management may be brain dead, but you'd expectI >that the fellow who drives the carriage is going to notice when the only  >horse lays down to die...      H Obviously the Q's management sees no problem with the Alpha brain drain,& and thinks they can go on and on, see:  , http://www.theinquirer.net/alpha_vicious.ppt  / They have a roadmap showing up to EV12 in 2012.    --H Douglas Siebert                          dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net  M I have discovered a remarkable proof which this .sig is too small to contain!    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:30:40 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: Status of EV7= Message-ID: <QxnC6.17158$%_1.3848000@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   D "Douglas Siebert" <dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net> wrote in message% news:9bcvt3$5t8$1@sword.avalon.net... 6 > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: > I > >finding new employment at IBM, Sun, and HP.  Indeed, I suspect that if  the I > >Alpha situation does not improve rapidly the Q is soon going to have a  veryK > >hard time keeping the lot of them from seeking alternative employment in J > >the very near future.  Q management may be brain dead, but you'd expectK > >that the fellow who drives the carriage is going to notice when the only  > >horse lays down to die... >  > J > Obviously the Q's management sees no problem with the Alpha brain drain,( > and thinks they can go on and on, see: > . > http://www.theinquirer.net/alpha_vicious.ppt > 1 > They have a roadmap showing up to EV12 in 2012.   L Note that anyone with basic PowerPoint skills can cobble together a roadmap.. Sun and Intel have been doing it for years ;-}  K Several interesting points to note on those slides... EV7 and EV8 are fully I funded, and while I know there's some EV9 investigation going on, 7 and 8 C are the only certainties. And things look pretty bleak on the Alpha  workstation front, don't they?  K The timing for the 1GHz WildFire is about right, a shame it'll take so long H to get to 1.2GHz on the platform. And IMHO CPQ should ship the 1GHz ES45G quadprocessor sooner rather than later. The ES45 was to have been a May K product, it's slipped to Q4. I guess Compaq wouldn't want to have an unfair ! advantage over any of its rivals.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:43:56 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area' Message-ID: <3ADA4E5C.7A3BEDD3@fsi.net>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 9 > news:ygjC6.17066$%_1.3714030@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...  > > B > > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message* > > news:ze6J8mXVHkex@malvm1.mala.bc.ca... > >  > > > > 1 > > > >   o  Inappropriate Educational Programme.  > > > ; > > >    The good news is that a highly reliable source has @ > > > reported in this newsgroup that Mr. Marcello is working onC > > > this. The bad news is he's been doing this for about 6 months # > > > and nothing has happened yet.  > > >  > > L > > From what I gather the folks responsible for the educational program areJ > > somewhat taken aback that people would look a gift horse in the mouth.N > > Compaq is of the opinion that offering free single-user licenses (which ofI > > course you have to sign up for and download from the Web on an annual  > basis)L > > is a Good Thing and that it complements the CSLG which can be applied to > > multiuser systems. > > K > > Over 40 universities are now using the free edu license program, so the I > > opposition isn't exactly universal. I suspect Compaq would appreciate N > > constructive input on how the program could be improved; griping about its/ > > deficiencies won't cut much ice with the Q.  > >  > N > Apropos to the above, one place you can register your suggestions, et al, is > the Advocacy Web site at > www.compaqworkinggroup.org > I > Material submitted to said site will be evaluated for the next round of / > voting; submissions can be made until June 5.  > L > And yes, the site still uses Java. Those who eschew Java and such can sendN > an email to compaqworkinggroup@sba.com to learn about alternative methods of > issue submission.    The site is hosed.  , Requested my old password, received garbage:  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:28:55 -0600 ( From: <WebMaster@CompaqWorkingGroup.org>0 Subject: Compaq Working Group Member Information To: <djesys@earthlink.net>? Message-ID: <BCHI200goZolmRBaYFk0000a0e6@mail4.chicago.sba.com> 6 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2001 01:30:26.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[D059B740:01C0C614]   content-media-type: text/html # Content-Transfer-Encoding: uuencode  Content-Type: text/html;3 	name="Compaq Working Group Member Information.htm"   % M#0H\:#(^0V]M<&%Q(%=O9F]R;6%T:6]N(&9O   4 Tried to establish a new password, received garbage:  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:33:32 -0600 ( From: <Webmaster@CompaqWorkingGroup.org>E Subject: Welcome to the 'Local Voices...Global Reach' Online Advocacy  Program  To: <djesys@fsi.net>/ Return-Path: <Webmaster@CompaqWorkingGroup.org> ? Message-ID: <BCHI20Y5dgGhtxfNB0u0000a0e8@mail4.chicago.sba.com> 6 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Apr 2001 01:34:28.0419 (UTC)3                        FILETIME=[60A19930:01C0C615]    content-media-type: text/html # Content-Transfer-Encoding: uuencode  Content-Type: text/html;C 	name="Welcome to the 'Local Voices...Global Reach' Online Advocacy  Program.htm"  = M#0H\<#Y(96QL;R!$879I9"!*(3PO<#X-"CQP/E1H86YK('EO=2!F;W(@8F5C ? M;VUI;F<@86X@;V9F:6-I86PL(')E9VES=&5R960@=7-E6]U+CPO<#X-"@T* `     --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 01:51:58 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area= Message-ID: <2fsC6.18075$%_1.4028042@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3ADA4E5C.7A3BEDD3@fsi.net...     I > > Apropos to the above, one place you can register your suggestions, et  al, is > > the Advocacy Web site at > > www.compaqworkinggroup.org > > K > > Material submitted to said site will be evaluated for the next round of 1 > > voting; submissions can be made until June 5.  > > I > > And yes, the site still uses Java. Those who eschew Java and such can  sendE > > an email to compaqworkinggroup@sba.com to learn about alternative 
 methods of > > issue submission.  >  > The site is hosed. > . > Requested my old password, received garbage: >   E So it appears! I'm using Windoze2K, I managed to log in today with no  problem.  D Send an email to Jonathan_Lurie@sba.com and ask him what's going on!   cheers,    terry s    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:31:34 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area% Message-ID: <3ADA5986.9D27D5@fsi.net>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > @ > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message( > news:ze6J8mXVHkex@malvm1.mala.bc.ca... >  > > > / > > >   o  Inappropriate Educational Programme.  > > 9 > >    The good news is that a highly reliable source has > > > reported in this newsgroup that Mr. Marcello is working onA > > this. The bad news is he's been doing this for about 6 months ! > > and nothing has happened yet.  > >  > J > From what I gather the folks responsible for the educational program areH > somewhat taken aback that people would look a gift horse in the mouth.   Oh, how *DARE* we, huh?   A That's rather an inappropriate attitude on their part, is it not?   E Does Compaq/OpenVMS pay us to use their product? ...or do we pay them B for their product and support of that product, and thus make their salaries possible?  B Oh, I get it now - "The Vendor Is Always Right". How stupid of me.  L > Compaq is of the opinion that offering free single-user licenses (which ofN > course you have to sign up for and download from the Web on an annual basis)J > is a Good Thing and that it complements the CSLG which can be applied to > multiuser systems.  D This whole thing makes me too angry to provide a response that could( even remotely be considered appropriate.   I > Over 40 universities are now using the free edu license program, so the % > opposition isn't exactly universal.    ...neither is the acceptance.   # > I suspect Compaq would appreciate L > constructive input on how the program could be improved; griping about its- > deficiencies won't cut much ice with the Q.   G Such attitudes as cited earlier will cut little ice with certain of us, 	 I'm sure.   5 ...speaking only for myself, of course and as always.   D What I cut out of my original response to compose THIS posting wouldG have gotten me permanently ostracized from this group, not that I'm far  from that now.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:48:28 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> ( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS/ Message-ID: <tdkjri276ec7d9@news.supernews.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3AD8FA80.619ED8D3@videotron.ca...L > If I were to get a NAT router between a VMS machine and the internet, with the J > NAT router doing all the DHCP stuff between itself and the ISP, how hard would E > it be to write an application on VMS to query the router to get the B > information such as the IP address assigned by the ISP, and more importantly, > the DNS address of the ISP ? >   F You don't really need to do this.  You don't care about the IP addressD assigned to by the ISP because it's assigned to the router.  The VMSI machine(s) will have private IP addresses and they'll speak to the router  via it's private IP address.  K The DNS assigned by the ISP will rarely ever change.  You should simply set F the DNS server(s) and you will probably never have to change them.   AK better idea might be to run your own DNS server.  Then you don't care about L the ISP's DNS servers and you can resolve your internal names even when your connection is down.    >  > I > Also, with a private IP network (10.0.0.*) and with one node having its  own F > local DSN to serve those local nodes, what would be the principle of allowingL > any machine on the local net to access a local machine by name (query sent toK > the local DNS server)  as well as accessing internet based bachines (with  the - > query eventually going to the ISP's dns ) ?  >   I You setup your internal DNS server and tell all of your clients that it's L thier DNS server.  If the server doesn't know the answer to a DNS request it knows who to ask.   E > Would the local DNS server serve all requests from all oocal nodes, 
 forwardingJ > those it doesn't know about to the ISP's DNS ? How much of a performance > slowdown would that cause ?   I You could set it up that way, with your ISP as a forwarder.  Depending on K the ISP that may or may not be a good idea.  If you don't setup your ISP as K a forwarder then your DNS server will ask a root server.   The root servers H will respond with an answer like: "I don't know but the name servers forE that domain are..." and then your server will ask those name servers.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:50:22 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS, Message-ID: <3ADA7A0B.5FBC80FF@videotron.ca>   John Vottero wrote: H > You don't really need to do this.  You don't care about the IP address> > assigned to by the ISP because it's assigned to the router.   J But if I want to "advertise" the IP to reach my machine from the internet,M then my VAX wants to ask my router what the currently assigned IP address is..K (and probably generate some HTML that is deposited in a "public" place thatlP allows one to click and get to my machine with the numeric IP address in there.)    K Or if I wish to access my machine from elsewhere, I want to be able to knownI what my current IP address is. (eg: my vax can send a page to my phone to( confirm my currnet IP address).-  6 > The DNS assigned by the ISP will rarely ever change.  L Correct, but sometimes, they introduce new ones that have better performanceL and this information would be available in the DHCP responses from the ISP. ; If I am going to do the job, I might as well do a good job.   H > the DNS server(s) and you will probably never have to change them.   AM > better idea might be to run your own DNS server.  Then you don't care aboutoN > the ISP's DNS servers and you can resolve your internal names even when your > connection is down.   I However, I have slow equipment at home. So I am not sure if relying on myIN local DSN to serve my other machines would be such a good idea. But if that isM the only way to provide name service to both the local and internet machines,r then so be it.  K > You could set it up that way, with your ISP as a forwarder.  Depending on M > the ISP that may or may not be a good idea.  If you don't setup your ISP asoM > a forwarder then your DNS server will ask a root server.   The root servers/J > will respond with an answer like: "I don't know but the name servers forG > that domain are..." and then your server will ask those name servers.t  G How do ISPs work when they provide dedicated "real" internet access fort servers etc to a company ?L Is the company expected to deal with the ISP's DNS machines or with the root
 machines ?  N Is it correct to state that the only complete database for a domain resides atH the root with any DNS in between having only cached data from recent DNSJ requests ? Or do large ISPs actually replicate the large databases for the? most common root domains (.com, .org. .edu and .country_code) ?x   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:59:57 -04006% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>  Subject: Re: VMS news stuff./ Message-ID: <tdko1q9g3keq5e@news.supernews.com>w  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 7 news:6LkC6.17089$%_1.3764251@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...s [snip] > G > What marketing department? Charlie Matco informs me that marketing iso taking8 > a hideous hit in the current round of belt-tightening. > 5 > But the peecee commercials no doubt will live on...m >o  B Geez, why not lay them off?  It's not like they're doing anything!   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Apr 2001 19:44:14 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>> Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)5 Message-ID: <20010415194414.5172.qmail@nym.alias.net>v  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  J On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:B >"Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message0 >news:20010415114506.1588.qmail@nym.alias.net...% >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----. >>F >> On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: >UM >> >Remember that Palmer exchanged VMS technologies for the right to sell NT.a >>I >> And I'll bet Microshaft laughed their asses off when Alpha support wasaL >> dropped. Seems it was just required until they got the goods from Compaq. >> >eK >First off, erstwhile Digital CTO Bill Strecker negotiated the Alliance forsJ >Enterprise Computing. Thanks to a lack of negotiating skills and businessI >acumen, Digital got the short end of the stick. Not that it matters now,i. >both Palmer and Strecker are ancient history. >eG >Secondly, Microsoft didn't laugh when Compaq cancelled Win64 on Alpha..M >Microsoft wanted Windows on the GS-Series as a 'big iron" proof point. ThingiD >is, Microsoft, in the spirit of Tom Sawyer, felt that Compaq shouldL >whitewash the fence (e.g. pay for the development of Win64). Cognizant thatL >a Microsoft Business Partner often is an Organ Donor, Compaq elected not to >play that game. >eL >In any event, Microsoft continues to this day to develop its 64-bit code on >Alpha platforms.e   Thank you for the corrections.     Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----a Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOtjWcsriC3SGiziTAQFXrwgApVplBu0sQXy0REAl9O6GwV+Bx+37BGr3@ Llr7iMy9rRU4R9VEDLNaXq1d7l3uKHoRnCDNmym4vA3jRw2sm8gLrLvJmXK2nDL0@ 6/JQDyor+83XjIMmjCTZp/0q4DAWuBTfFF0/MtV5EpuRWmj/ckxFLxxKQJWtuI/f@ wvnxWuCxDMFDe7TP53kn+zOif8AF6B1yoix4qd34i+xTWWaJs33Od3qAw0DaP9Vx@ RbUpwmYRGS0Q01t96l30MTcuZnPMDapq1Gr4orihtmPtuF5ZS9QrhJlNC3k9YGDY8 bwDM2IRVY/aqea7Sw3T081jjyhWa3qlFWyC96gn63VDd3xVYZbY7lQ== =au10  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----r   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.212 ************************  