1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 16 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 213       Contents: BACKUP-E-VBNPASTEOF  Re: BACKUP-E-VBNPASTEOF  Re: Basic Concepts Questions Compaq-Williams F1 win Re: Compaq-Williams F1 win Re: Compaq-Williams F1 win Re: Compaq-Williams F1 win Re: Compaq-Williams F1 win Re: CXX and 64 bit pointers @ Re: Decnet/Cluster problem with MicroVax 34000 + Decstation 3100 GS v7.00 for OpenVMS$ RE: Itsy computer research prototype) Jacob is doing well/Out of Office replies - Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX  Re: KZPCA-AA Works fine !  Re: LAT and file transfer  Re: MacOS X and OpenVMS  Re: max disk size on 5.5-2$ RE: max disk size on 5.5-2 = 8.38 GB? Re: more ino on my problem of not being able to send SMTP email & Re: Need descriptions for part numbers No free beer from The Q.* Re: NOSLOT No PCB available (failed spawn)= Re: OpenVMS 7.2-2 and Oracle 8.1.7 - Unsupported combination?  RE: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"  RE: OT: "The Puzzle Palace" > Re: product announcement: the rebirth of DateSim (version 2.1) RE: seeing escapes is believing 7 Re: strange behaviour of DIRECTORY with long file names  Re: sys$io_performw - Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area - Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area - Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area - RE: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area B Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas area The Hacker Diaries2 Tizek.com is in dire need of a development team...! Re: tuning VMS for Oracle7 Server ! Re: tuning VMS for Oracle7 Server , Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen? Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS  Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS  Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS  Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS  Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS  Re: VMS friendly website???  Re: VMS friendly website???  VMS721_LOADSS-V0100 5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.) 5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.) 5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.) 5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.) 5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.) @ Re: Why set PYHSICALPAGES? (was: [Q] Adding Memory to a MV 3100)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:54:57 -0400 $ From: Don Chandler <dcq@y12.doe.gov> Subject: BACKUP-E-VBNPASTEOF+ Message-ID: <3ADAF9B0.65743E55@y12.doe.gov>   E I have been recovering data from old backup tapes back to disk,  then D rewriting the tapes and also creating data archives on CD for fasterC searches and recovery.   I burn the data on CD-R using DFY$VMSCD to G create the image and GEAR (on a PC) to burn it.  After mounting the new F CD on the Alpha (OpenVMS 6.2), a $BACKUP/COMPARE is used to verify the2 CD.  I have successfully created ~20 CDs this way.  F Last week on a set of data from last year, the $BACKUP/COMPARE startedF logging numerous "BACKUP-E-VBNPASTEOF  file has blocks 45 through 45 past end-of-file" errors.   = A $DIFFERENCE CDdevice:file  Diskdevice:file ----- reports no  Differences.H A $DIRECTORY/SIZ=ALL  Diskdevice:file      -- reports 44 blocks used, 44 blocks allocated. H A $DIRECTORY/SIZ=ALL  CDdevice:file        -- reports 44 blocks used, 45 blocks allocated. 
 Also notedH A $BACKUP/COMPARE  CDdevice:file  Diskdevice:file  ---reports the error.  D A $BACKUP/COMPARE  Diskdevice:file CDdevice:file   ---reports the NO error.   What gives??   Don    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:20:34 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>   Subject: Re: BACKUP-E-VBNPASTEOF+ Message-ID: <3ADAFFB2.C31FD6A0@hsc.vcu.edu>    you either went from a smaller disk to one bigger, and the data past eof is not the same as on the old system.  it's comparing bits  and pieces of old files left over on the disk.  this would go away with highwater marking,  but it has to have highwater on both the$ old and new.  it's a "null error"...   Don Chandler wrote:  > G > I have been recovering data from old backup tapes back to disk,  then F > rewriting the tapes and also creating data archives on CD for fasterE > searches and recovery.   I burn the data on CD-R using DFY$VMSCD to I > create the image and GEAR (on a PC) to burn it.  After mounting the new H > CD on the Alpha (OpenVMS 6.2), a $BACKUP/COMPARE is used to verify the4 > CD.  I have successfully created ~20 CDs this way. > H > Last week on a set of data from last year, the $BACKUP/COMPARE startedH > logging numerous "BACKUP-E-VBNPASTEOF  file has blocks 45 through 45 > past end-of-file" errors.  > ? > A $DIFFERENCE CDdevice:file  Diskdevice:file ----- reports no  > Differences.J > A $DIRECTORY/SIZ=ALL  Diskdevice:file      -- reports 44 blocks used, 44 > blocks allocated. J > A $DIRECTORY/SIZ=ALL  CDdevice:file        -- reports 44 blocks used, 45 > blocks allocated.  > Also notedJ > A $BACKUP/COMPARE  CDdevice:file  Diskdevice:file  ---reports the error. > F > A $BACKUP/COMPARE  Diskdevice:file CDdevice:file   ---reports the NO > error. >  > What gives?? >  > Don    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:55:36 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: Basic Concepts Questions 2 Message-ID: <IJDC6.901$fB6.22237@news.cpqcorp.net>  a In article <3ad85257.10740788@news.austarnet.com.au>, q4905407@brampton.cqu.edu.au (Pete) writes: G :Hi, I'm an IT student completing an operating systems subject and need " :to find information on OpenVMS.    D   I'm adding a "scholastic research" section to the next OpenVMS FAQE   edition, since Pete is not the first and will also not be the last     to ask for this assistance...   I   Pete, as others have responded, please acquire access to the Internals  $   and Data Structures Manual (IDSM).  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:21:39 -0400 + From: "Chris Moore" <chris.moore@stelco.ca>  Subject: Compaq-Williams F1 win 4 Message-ID: <a6EC6.195343$Z2.2305220@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  K With Ralf Schumacher's win at Imola yesterday in the Williams-F1 (sponsored K by Compaq), should I expect a celebratory invite for beer and wings from my K Compaq sales rep???  Or will the Alpha and OpenVMS prices just go up to pay B for Sir (Mr. Warmth) Frank's new country home and Ralf's exec jet?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:09:53 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> # Subject: Re: Compaq-Williams F1 win / Message-ID: <tdm6an6h772503@news.supernews.com>    Thanks for the spoiler!!!   I In the US the only way to see Formula 1 races is on Speedvision.  Since I K don't get Speedvision I have to go down to my local bar to watch Formula 1. G Unfortunately, the local bars aren't open at 7:00am Sunday morning so I H couldn't watch yesterdays race live.  But, Speedvision rebroadcasts eachJ race every Monday evening so all I have to do is avoid the sports news.  IG never imagined that I would find out who won while reading comp.os.vms!   E Congratulations to Compaq, BMW and Williams!  Too bad it wasn't Juan!   6 "Chris Moore" <chris.moore@stelco.ca> wrote in message. news:a6EC6.195343$Z2.2305220@nnrp1.uunet.ca...B > With Ralf Schumacher's win at Imola yesterday in the Williams-F1
 (sponsoredJ > by Compaq), should I expect a celebratory invite for beer and wings from myI > Compaq sales rep???  Or will the Alpha and OpenVMS prices just go up to  pay D > for Sir (Mr. Warmth) Frank's new country home and Ralf's exec jet? >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:14:42 -0400 + From: "Chris Moore" <chris.moore@stelco.ca> # Subject: Re: Compaq-Williams F1 win 4 Message-ID: <WTEC6.195356$Z2.2305607@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  K Sorry John, didn't mean to ruin anyone's day.  We have 2 sources up here in K the "frozen North" (Speedvision and TSN)........guess I better not tell you , what happened to Montoya....................     -- Chris Moore    E & OE2 (my whole life is "Errors and Ommissions Excepted)    0 "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message) news:tdm6an6h772503@news.supernews.com...  > Thanks for the spoiler!!!  > K > In the US the only way to see Formula 1 races is on Speedvision.  Since I J > don't get Speedvision I have to go down to my local bar to watch Formula 1.I > Unfortunately, the local bars aren't open at 7:00am Sunday morning so I J > couldn't watch yesterdays race live.  But, Speedvision rebroadcasts eachL > race every Monday evening so all I have to do is avoid the sports news.  II > never imagined that I would find out who won while reading comp.os.vms!  > G > Congratulations to Compaq, BMW and Williams!  Too bad it wasn't Juan!  > 8 > "Chris Moore" <chris.moore@stelco.ca> wrote in message0 > news:a6EC6.195343$Z2.2305220@nnrp1.uunet.ca...D > > With Ralf Schumacher's win at Imola yesterday in the Williams-F1 > (sponsoredL > > by Compaq), should I expect a celebratory invite for beer and wings from > myK > > Compaq sales rep???  Or will the Alpha and OpenVMS prices just go up to  > pay F > > for Sir (Mr. Warmth) Frank's new country home and Ralf's exec jet? > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:21:25 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br # Subject: Re: Compaq-Williams F1 win L Message-ID: <OFCDA515FE.8EF1F452-ON03256A30.005F4D37@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Compaq :   Keep Distance ....    Regards    FC        < "Chris Moore" <chris.moore@stelco.ca> em 16/04/2001 12:21:39  7 Favor responder a "Chris Moore" <chris.moore@stelco.ca>              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com        Assunto: Compaq-Williams F1 win     K With Ralf Schumacher's win at Imola yesterday in the Williams-F1 (sponsored K by Compaq), should I expect a celebratory invite for beer and wings from my K Compaq sales rep???  Or will the Alpha and OpenVMS prices just go up to pay B for Sir (Mr. Warmth) Frank's new country home and Ralf's exec jet?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:40:29 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> # Subject: Re: Compaq-Williams F1 win . Message-ID: <tdmbkj13r7820@news.supernews.com>  E That's OK, it's nice to hear from another F1 fan.  I'll find out what  happened to Montoya tonight.  6 "Chris Moore" <chris.moore@stelco.ca> wrote in message. news:WTEC6.195356$Z2.2305607@nnrp1.uunet.ca...J > Sorry John, didn't mean to ruin anyone's day.  We have 2 sources up here inI > the "frozen North" (Speedvision and TSN)........guess I better not tell  you . > what happened to Montoya.................... >  >  > --
 > Chris Moore  >  > E & OE4 > (my whole life is "Errors and Ommissions Excepted) >  > 2 > "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> wrote in message+ > news:tdm6an6h772503@news.supernews.com...  > > Thanks for the spoiler!!!  > > K > > In the US the only way to see Formula 1 races is on Speedvision.  Since  I L > > don't get Speedvision I have to go down to my local bar to watch Formula > 1.K > > Unfortunately, the local bars aren't open at 7:00am Sunday morning so I L > > couldn't watch yesterdays race live.  But, Speedvision rebroadcasts eachK > > race every Monday evening so all I have to do is avoid the sports news.  I K > > never imagined that I would find out who won while reading comp.os.vms!  > > I > > Congratulations to Compaq, BMW and Williams!  Too bad it wasn't Juan!  > > : > > "Chris Moore" <chris.moore@stelco.ca> wrote in message2 > > news:a6EC6.195343$Z2.2305220@nnrp1.uunet.ca...F > > > With Ralf Schumacher's win at Imola yesterday in the Williams-F1 > > (sponsoredI > > > by Compaq), should I expect a celebratory invite for beer and wings  from > > myJ > > > Compaq sales rep???  Or will the Alpha and OpenVMS prices just go up to > > pay H > > > for Sir (Mr. Warmth) Frank's new country home and Ralf's exec jet? > > >  > > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:19:59 -0400 + From: "Duane Smith" <Compaq_Cxx@compaq.com> $ Subject: Re: CXX and 64 bit pointers2 Message-ID: <IhCC6.898$fB6.22322@news.cpqcorp.net>  F Compaq C++ Version 6.2 does not support 64-bit pointers in the OpenVMSK environment.  I believe it to be in error that these pragmas are documented L in the online help.  There are plans on the table to support 64-bit pointers in a future release.  I The standard requires that we ignore unrecognized pragma statements.  The I error message that you are seeing is expected for these particular pragma  statements on OpenVMS.   Duane Smith  Compaq C++ Engineering Manager  < "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@mail.danbbs.dk> wrote in message( news:3AD74F31.F67FC1F9@mail.danbbs.dk...@ > Is it just me or is CXX 6.2 (ECO 2) and #pragma pointer_size /< > #pragma required_pointer_size not working as they should ? >  > (VMS ALpha 7.2-1)  > < > They are in online help. They are not in the HTML manuals.: > They are in the header-files (DECC$LIB). I always get an > error: > F > %CXX-W-PRAGIGNORE, The "required_pointer_size" pragma is not active. >           Pragma is ignored. > 
 > Any ideas ?  >  > Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:32:59 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> I Subject: Re: Decnet/Cluster problem with MicroVax 34000 + Decstation 3100 8 Message-ID: <gseldtk5uiud2a9bof1mv06e247g8rs3ju@4ax.com>  D On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 01:13:01 +0100, Douglas Hall <doug@fearless.org> wrote:   > 8 >Thanks for the replies! (I received a few by email too) > ? >I am running phase IV, and the circuit service was enabled...   > I >A suggestion I received was that the ethernet hardware may be faulty. As D >I had little else to do, I took the 3400 to pieces and reseated the >cards.  > E >On reboot, all sprang into life!  The 3400 is now spewing out decnet D >and vax cluster messages on the ethernet. Weird that it was able toE >receive packets before, but not send them. I'd even changed the hub,  >cables and transceivers too.   A This is a common fault with the VAX 3xxx (not 3100) and VAX 4xxx) B systems. I've seen it three times over the years. Be warned it mayC fail completely and you usually have to replace the silver bulkhead ( which has the ethernet connection on it.     -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:38:10 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>  Subject: GS v7.00 for OpenVMS ) Message-ID: <3ADACB92.26ABB3F5@uiowa.edu>   A FYI:  There is an updated version of the GhostScript package from E Aladdin available at their regular sites (check www.ghostscript.com), ? but they apparently never applied any of the bug fixes from the A previous reports and had some new ones appear for added features.   F I *think* I have gotten them to work.  At least it compiles and passesA some simple tests on the example PS files, etc. :)  My patch file 2 against the original distribution can be found at:  6 	http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/gs7_00-vms.dif  F If anyone finds any problems or more fixes, etc. I would like to know!   Thanks and Enjoy!  Rick --  H Richard L. Dyson                               rick-dyson@uiowa.edu.blahH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:07:44 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> - Subject: RE: Itsy computer research prototype L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1D64@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  # > > Linux on a StrongARM processor,   < > There you go, yet another example of Compaq not trying to  > grow VMS :-) :-) :-) :-)  > > Hey, while there are constant whines about VMS being ported  > to the 8086, how; > come nobody ever asks about porting VMS to the ARM so it o > could run on the iPAQ ?l  L Ok -- I just ordered two linux-based PDAs recently.  One for me, and one forL somebody else.  I did this because I like the idea of writing programs on my3 PDA. :) (Ok, yeah, I guess that makes me a geek...)t  I However, I promise that if that happens, I'll buy two iPucks immediately.s   Regards,   Chrisf  ! Christopher Smith, Perl DeveloperI Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");a 'i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:09:10 -0400p2 From: "Kent, Philip  JW1811" <kent@jwfc.jfcom.mil>2 Subject: Jacob is doing well/Out of Office repliesH Message-ID: <5B57189920E7D41190B500606D210686011A69E3@mailsvr.jfcom.mil>  I Jacov is doing well after surgery.  We adopted him and RuthAnna this lastT July from Ukraine.  F I am sorry that many of you received out of Office replies.  It wasn'tJ suppose to go to those who submitted messages to the Info-VAX forum, but I0 did not debug the out-of-office settings well.    	 Blessingst  	 Phil Kent    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:20:23 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>l6 Subject: Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX( Message-ID: <3ADB1BC7.C01037DD@mmaz.com>   B Fairweather wrote:   > Hello, > K >     I've talked to Nemonix and Compaq about the Ultra-SCSI controller andfF > want to advise it will only work on a single VAX (not supported on a > VMScluster, like DSSI).s( > Do you really need the large I/O pipe?  M Yes, even with the crappy 8-bit SE controller that comes with the 4000/100, I M still reach peak I/O as high as 400 per second with my array and the array isn# only hitting about 50% utilization.d  L Even if I could spread some of the I/O out across the DSSI, I do not want toJ have to be required to use SW.  If I could use an HSD external to SW, thatE might be a different story, but it is my understanding that I cannot.t   Barrye   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOa  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028[   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:28:05 +0100-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o" Subject: Re: KZPCA-AA Works fine !8 Message-ID: <p4bldtkme0r6qf123khjsrikdkq6dq30vn@4ax.com>  1 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 20:38:17 GMT, "Zane H. Healy" # <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:b  , >islandco.com <dbturner@islandco.com> wrote: >> Version 7.2-1 >nJ >> When I get the 7.3 CD we'll try it with that but it should be Ok anyhow >> DTu >gL >OK, the question from the Hobbyist standpoint is will it work under V7.2 asK >that's all that is really available to hobbyists.  Out of curiousity, doesyJ >anyone know just how much the V7.2-1 update CD costs?  I'd really like to= >upgrade my systems at home to OpenVMS V7.2-1 and TCPIP V5.1!   7 For hobby use you can always go for the VMS 7.3 EFT2 CD      >			Zane   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:50:06 -0400f# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>e" Subject: Re: LAT and file transfer+ Message-ID: <3ADAF88E.646C076E@hsc.vcu.edu>Z  | the fast Kermit transfer i EVER saw was ethernet lat between a pc and a vaxstation.  only time i ever saw the kermit numbers
 BLUR......   j.   Karel Sandler wrote: >  > Hi,R > G >         I acquired MicroVAX 3100 now, running 5.5-2, and have also an K > Alpha(Tru64) system. I can use LAT to communicate in both directions, and0K > would like to know if I can use LAT somehow to transfer a binary file. My N > vms runs probably DECnet (netacp.exe), but I have no experience, as yet, and6 > no other machine with DECnet, so the question above. >  > Karel Sandler. > ---c > e-mail:  sandler@ujf.cas.czl > phone:   420-2-66173271s* > address: NPI, 250 68 Rez, Czech Republic   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:05:28 -0400r% From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com>   Subject: Re: MacOS X and OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <160420011005284782%harris@zk3.dec.com>a  / [[ This message was both posted and mailed: seer;    the "To," "Cc," and "Newsgroups" headers for details. ]]Y  
 In articleE <paul.r.anderson-1404011518210001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>, 1 Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote:E  H X  In article <5u0C6.1233$Hp.46353@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy"& X  <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote: X  yO X  > I figured I'd let people know since I know there are quite a few Mac users M X  > here that after installing the Mac OS X V10.0.1 update that was releasedeF X  > yesterday I'm now able to mount NFS volumes on my OpenVMS server. X  SN X  What Mac NFS client are you using?  Or is there native support in Mac OS X?  G NFS support is built in.  After reading Zane's post, I tried it using a5G Tru64 UNIX NFS exported file system, and it worked like a champ.  I did G this from a terminal window and I had switched to the 'root' user to doc this:C  C     mount node.mumble.com:/exported/mount/point  /local/mount/pointo   and I could access it. -  C There is also a GUI interface called NFSmanager that is supposed tozF handle this without learning UNIX commands.  I was just experimenting,; so I didn't bother with NFSmanager.  Your mileage may vary.e    L X  > I've got to admit though, I'm still hoping someone releases software to
 X  > allow* X  > mounting drives via native Appletalk! X  sJ X  That would be nice.  Is it Apple's position that they are only going to
 X  supportO X  AppleTalk over IP for file sharing?  I can connect to printers from OS X viad# X  AppleTalk, just not file shares.k  E Who knows what Apple's position is, but I suspect that since Mac OS XiF doesn't support LocalTalk nor EtherTalk from Mac OS X (at least not atD this time), that maybe they are going to be moving towards using the? higher layer AppleTalk protocols over IP.  For example, you canpD currently do AppleTalk Filing Protocol (AFP) (aka AppleShare TCP/IP)F only using a TCP/IP connection to another Mac or netatalk system which support AppleShare over TCP/IP.c  F I would like to have EtherTalk back so that I can talk to my AppleTalkD enabled printer, but if that doesn't happen, then I hope the printer? manufactures start building in ethernet ports on their low costcG printers because the wireless computing world is still going to want topE print from their portable devices without necessarly having to have a C server computer (for example using a wireless laptop at home as thei primary computer).   O X  > So, while I still don't think I'm ready to use Mac OS X full time, it just- X  > might be improving. X  ,M X  I've switched to OS X at home and at work, and there's no looking back!  IR X  like-N X  the look and feel of OS X and I'm busy replacing Classic applications with  X  ones.  E I'm also 95% switched over to Mac OS X.  I only switch back for a few. tasks.  2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:23:52 -040007 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@sasSPAMITUPTHEZZZ.com>l# Subject: Re: max disk size on 5.5-2a2 Message-ID: <NeTaOk9Pv6KssdP7uDYawTgHO7GN@4ax.com>  ? If I remember correctly, it's in the 8 GB range, other hardwareo issues notwithstanding.s   David R. Beattya  ( On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:22:44 GMT, Dave S, <dave.senestraro@zxc.xx.solveris.com> wrote:  E >Does anyone know off the top of their head what is the max disk size.H >that can be supported under this version. I seem to recall 4-6 GB range >but not sure. >a >thanksd >davec   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:12:33 -0400O2 From: "Kent, Philip  JW1811" <kent@jwfc.jfcom.mil>- Subject: RE: max disk size on 5.5-2 = 8.38 GByH Message-ID: <5B57189920E7D41190B500606D210686011A69E4@mailsvr.jfcom.mil>  : From http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html   FILE5.  9  What is the largest disk volume size OpenVMS can access?   *     One Terabyte (231 blocks of 29 bytes)   J  Prior to the release of V6.0, the OpenVMS file system was limited to disk volumes of 8.38 GB (224 blocks) 
  or less.   J  On some systems, there are restrictions in the console program that limit the size of the OpenVMS systemK  disk. Note that data disks are not affected by console program limits. Forp example, all members of thesL  VAXstation 3100 series are limited to a system disk to 1.073 GB or less due to the console, though largerm  data disks are possible.   L  Some SCSI disks with capacities larger than 8.6 gigabytes (GB) will require the use of an OpenVMS ECOlI  kit (eg: ALPSCSI04_062 or later) for new SCSI device drivers. Failure tot use this ECO can causeJ  "rounding errors" on the SCSI disk device capacity - OpenVMS will not use  nor display the full capacity of  the drive - and givetC  "%SYSINIT-E-ERROR, Mounting system device status equals 000008C4" aB  (8C4 -> "%SYSTEM-?-FILESTRUCT, unsupported file structure level")K  errors during bootstrap. (One workaround for the bootstrap when the bitmap4 is located far into the disk is G  the use of INIT/INDEX=BEGIN.) The problem here involves the particularo extensions and fields used forL  larger capacity disks within the SCSI specifications and within the various intepretations of same.   8                                          [Steve Hoffman]      For IDE disk drives:   E        Versions of DQDRIVER before X-15 topped out at 8.455 GB. Fixed- drivers (>="X-15") were         shipped in:  -              OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1, and later j-              V7.2 UPDATE V1.0 ECO, and later O/              V7.1-2 UPDATE V1.0 ECO, and later o/              V7.1-2 UPDATE V3.0 ECO, and later  F        The newer DQDRIVER driver operates to disks up to 33 GB without (known) problems, andeK        effectively works with rather larger disks (up to circa 137 GB?) buti is known to report an incorrectl5        number of "cylinders" with disks above 33 GB. e    6  See ALPHA23 for additional IDE DQDRIVER information. I  Be aware that a known restriction in certain older versions of the Alpha? SRM Console prevents bootingE  most IDE drives larger than 8.455 GB, depending on exactly where theh  various files are located on theL  volume. Updated SRM consoles for systems with SRM and IDE drive support are (will be) available.L  (OpenVMS Engineering has successfully bootstrapped 20GB IDE disks using the appropriate SRM   console version.) t  L  NOTE: All IDE-related disk sizes listed in this section are stated in units of "disk (base 10) gigabytes"eK  (1GB = 109 bytes) and not in units of "software (base 2) gigabytes" (1GB =o 230 (1073741824.) bytes. i  C                                                    [Atlant Schmidt]p    J  Be aware that larger disks that are using an extension of SCSI-2 -- disks  that are using a mode page fieldL  that the SCSI specifications normally reserved for tape devices - to permit a larger disk volume size willL  require a SCSI driver update for OpenVMS, and this change is part of V7.1-2 and later, and also part ofo  ALPSCSI07_062 and later. J  (These larger disks disks will typically report a DRVERR, or will see the volume size "rounded down".)L  SCSI disks larger than 16777216 blocks circa 8.455 GB (base ten); 8GB (base two) require this ECO, oru3  require the use of OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 or later. e  Also see VAX5.   9                                          [Atlant Schmidt]l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:36:56 +0100l  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>H Subject: Re: more ino on my problem of not being able to send SMTP email+ Message-ID: <VA.00000358.1ae3f358@sture.ch>    Phillip,  R Both your messages of 14-Apr and 15-Apr are corrupted with unprintable characters.  = The subject line I am replying to for example reads (in EDT):1  L "more ino<ESC>[D^H^H^Hfo on my problem of not being able to send SMTP email"  P and further unprintable bits in the text body of both messages, again including M quite a few ^Hs whose placement is consistent with incorrect mapping of your yO rubout key. Are you using some kind of terminal emulator to access your system?-  L If you are using the same access method for your SMTP configuration I'm not R surprised that you are getting frustrated... (BTDT with lousy terminal emulators).   ___3
 Paul Sture Switzerlando   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 17:23:16 GMTi8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>/ Subject: Re: Need descriptions for part numbersa( Message-ID: <3ADB1805.BD8CE06A@decus.fi>   Tom Steuver wrote: > M > I just acquired a VAX 4000-600 system.  The system has a number of cards inoN > it that I'm not familiar with.  Does anyone know what these cards are or how > I can find out?u > 	 > CXY08-Mp  7 Asynch serial line controller, gives 8 RS232 lines witha modem support.: Speeds at least 19200, not sure whether it would do 38400. Can do DMA.    > 
 > DSV11-SA  ; Sync serial line controller, supports two lines with speeds < from say low 9600 to mighty 1.2Mbits/s. Needs external cable8 that defines the actual physical interface, e.q. V.24 or V.35 or X.21.   > TQK70f  < Qbus controller for TK70 tape drive. CompacTape II cassette,: 295MB capacity, takes approx 1hour15min to fill a cassette IIRC.   
 > KLESI-SA  : Qbus controller for TU81 type 9inch drive. 1600/6250 BPI, 8 typically 2400 feet reel. On 6250 BPI and 2400 feet reel9 one should be able to have something like 140MB on a reele (IIRC).  > 	 > Thanks,4
 > Tom Steuvern > tom@homebizcomp.come     _veli9   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2001 09:34:05 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>! Subject: No free beer from The Q.b6 Message-ID: <20010416093405.22859.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  ' COMPAQ, DELL CLOSE DOWN THEIR BAR TABS.r  2 http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20010413S0004  F So, seems the beer people will be crying into won't be free this year.     Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----t Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOton8sriC3SGiziTAQE+Zgf/fiK3qN+viX2RzUNWleI58YOFQDbJXbmP@ 7Zqi1q+r2R3BeedH7+OHDLmGA++G756kCOXrWe92hFnjLWGBYwuRc8jWDWQSGfuS@ BMVAv2zaM6Nqdy+x8WKYAErzhoJtefukorrEL0VnD6oQUWbueBmp3PXx5VnjBJ6+@ EESUsZ2V9TJued+MvqWdVHBSEeIODYGj9JHNNQRPpypGz/ZP6jBDvGK7yiRT5C0p@ Aa24IJUpTFJWcepfqdH4wlC4fQo+G5n7PReTOAGyo3N55AQGjgZfPkbOz8ShTtBP8 U5Bt5XMmz8VpsxC6YQ7h34diGRnxFr8DO8xHCX/HZTJ757UwXSqjUg== =b1Ext -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:11:58 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>e3 Subject: Re: NOSLOT No PCB available (failed spawn)D( Message-ID: <3ADB19CE.45E6434C@mmaz.com>   Hans Vlems wrote:   N > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use    ModifiedN >   Main Memory (16.00Mb)            32768        5435       26712         621H > SPTREQ                       9272       3900      3000        -1 Pages	 > SYSGEN>i > % > The value of SPTREQ seems adequate,t  P Hans, it may seem adequate, but 28% of my memory was about 70000 SPTE's which isP not comparable to your 16MB but your system resource requirements might be.  YouM have nothing to loose to attempt  increasing the SPTE's to an extremely large N number...  As I said, I had the exact same problem and SPTREQ was the cause of my NOSLOT problems...    Barry-     --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOs  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:18:06 -0400 7 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@sasSPAMITUPTHEZZZ.com>PF Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2-2 and Oracle 8.1.7 - Unsupported combination?2 Message-ID: <y+LaOsVsNj6hXpM+xTjGxDeFbyX=@4ax.com>  / Alpha V7.1-2 is the supported variant for V7.1.@   David R. Beattyc  A On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 07:23:21 GMT, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:1   >0 >2 >Alan Greig wrote: >1I >> On Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:40:21 GMT, Sean O'Banion <seanobanion@home.com>m	 >> wrote:t >>K >> >There have been some independent statements from Compaq and Oracle thatt/ >> >seem to lead us into a difficult situation:: >> >L >> >Compaq: Support of VMS 7.2-1 will end at the end of 2001, and 7.2-2 will" >> >be the supported level of 7.2. >>H >> I have not seen any announcements but I  am sure that Compaq will notH >> cease to support 7.2-1 as of 31-DEC-2001. Even VAX/VMS 5.5-2 is stillB >> supported under "prior version support". If you order today youC >> receive VMS 7.2-1. No way will support be dropped for a shippinge& >> version of VMS within a few months. >uG >This is true and not true :-)) The versions of VMS that are officiallyrI >supported are 5.5-2H4, 6.2-1H3 and 7.2-1 (I hope I have the sub versionscL >right !) Other versions are supported on the basis of "best effort". So forH >instance if a big problem would turn up in a V7.1 environment, and thisN >problem is corrected in V7.2-1, Compaq may reply by requesting you to upgradeL >to the fully supported V7.2-1, and declining to build a patch for V7.1. YouJ >can't expect them to fully support every sub version of VMS that has ever >existed between V5.5 and now. >a >a >> >>E >> I cannot find any mention of 7.2-2 on the current software rollouto5 >> schedule but 7.3 is listed as shipping in May 2001o >>< >> >Oracle: Oracle 8.1.7 will NOT be certified on VMS 7.2-2. >> >J >> >Us: We must decide by next week (you don't really want to know why) ifK >> >we are going to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.x.x to 8.1.7 by the end of thisSK >> >year.  Since the 7.2-2 kit will not be released for a couple of months,tK >> >there is no way we can evaluate how serious the changes are, or be able ? >> >to determine the risk of running Oracle 8.1.7 on VMS 7.2-2.  >>I >> 7.3 EFT 2 has been customer ordereable for a few months now (around 40eG >> dollars or such from a Compaq distributor or direct from the VMS webhF >> site). One of the reasons Compaq make this kit available on generalG >> order is exactly so customers can evaluate its impact, For example InI >> can tell you that Oracle 8.0.5 works fine under VMS 7.3 EFT2 as far asw >> our testing has gone. >> >> > >> >, >> >Does anybody know what the situation is?7 >> >Are the groups in VMS and Oracle talking this over?  >>E >> Oracle were worried about the problems with some older code on EV6 G >> class processors. If you are not switching processors just upgrading4D >> VMS this should not really be an issue unless the software checks >> itself and refuses to run.G >> >> > >> > >> >Sean >> >> --R >> AlanA   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:40:23 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>$ Subject: RE: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"- Message-ID: <0033000021572550000002L002*@MHS>    =0AYou left out ergo-    Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.'   Williamus Webbus  :^)t   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ' > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:28 PMhD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET& > Subject: RE: OT: "The Puzzle Palace" >o >? > In articleC > <y4wv8tqj4t.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan H > Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:=   >-> > > PS: Completely off topic. But "security through obscurity" > has time and again4 > > been shown to not work, and unaccountability and > non-auditing are always bad. >FH > It is easy to criticize "security through obscurity", but in the case=  = > of NSA, GCHQ, etc. such criticism often omits any proof (or  > even explicitL7 > claim) that the purpose of the obscruity is security.  > E > Security that happens to coincide with obscurity cannot be properlylB > called "security through obscurity".  I think the logica flaw is! > called "post hoc, propter hoc".  >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:43:40 -0500a* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>$ Subject: RE: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"- Message-ID: <0033000021573331000002L012*@MHS>-  : =0AI'll keep my bookstore under surveillance for this one.   :^)r   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET0) > Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:30 AMsD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET& > Subject: RE: OT: "The Puzzle Palace" >  >s9 > > In article <3AD0B25B.4E63E758@wi.rr.com>, Scott Viethd > <svieth@wi.rr.com>	 > writes:. > > 8 > > > Is there anything more current or more technically > relevant that haso > > > been written > > > about the NSA? >o; > If it hasn't been mentioned earlier in this thread, Jamesn > Bamford is about< > to release a sequel to The Puzzle Palace. Based on one Old > Crow's take on< > the aforementioned tome, the forthcoming work should be of > interest to alll> > who dabble in Secrets SPOKE, especially when heavenly bodies > TRINE in the? > UMBRA of the sun. Definitely a book worth reading and SAVINg.  >e8 > Body of Secrets : Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National > Security Agency :i5 > From the Cold War Through the Dawn of a New Century  >6+ > by James Bamford (Hardcover - April 2001)d >=   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Apr 2001 10:42:07 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell)eG Subject: Re: product announcement: the rebirth of DateSim (version 2.1)h. Message-ID: <2b72pSpyCJ6D@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  n In article <aCeAXgtvmStT@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.412538.killspam.015a (Wayne Sewell) writes: >  > K > Much to our surprise, a customer managed to find a new use for DateSim, ahN > *production* use: multiple time zone simulation.  This client has a group ofO > servers that accept remote logins from all over the country.  Their users arelN > apparently even less computer-literate than most and those in different timeO > zones from the server get confused when the system time they see is differentAQ > from their local time.  Many of them apparently think the server is in the nextoP > building or something.   The fact that there are multiple servers in differentL > time zones only aggravates their distress, since they have no control overL > which server they access.  Sometimes the displayed time is off by an hour, > sometimes two hours, etc.I >     N It turns out I was being uncharitable.   Since I wrote this, I saw the problemN statement from the customer who came up with this.   It wasn't the *users* whoN were confused by the time zones, it was the software they used.  It's a serverN consolidation thing.  Those using a server in a different timezone were havingN the problem of the wrong time showing up in databases, financial reports, etc.      This is what the customer said:     J "Until we installed DateSim, our users across our continent were forced toN conform to the local time of the server here in Sydney.  Users in Perth are a N full four hours behind Sydney, yet when they would log on, they'd have to dealN with the four-hour difference in ways that made business more difficult.  WithE DateSim, they now see their local time when they query VMS, and their L accounting and payroll documents are timestamped in a manner more in keeping with their expectations."        --  O ===============================================================================0M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxx: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)rO ===============================================================================GB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:53:42 -0400l  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com( Subject: RE: seeing escapes is believing4 Message-ID: <C2256A30.005BF6C6.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  > --0__=bQakra3n2ZzWFJJ0pKnrZXu1Uv4t9OcROhXhkN3hbQzGsjwZyxqdn8g4* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline2      L This may come too late to use, and I agree with those who suggest you do not3 embed raw special characters it DCL, but if you useuL SEARCH/FORM=DUMP infile /out=outfile ""  to search for anything, the outfileP will expand your special characters to the same format you are used to seeing onN your editor screen.  They will be real, that is, <ESC> will be five characters in outfile,s so your lines will lengthen.        1 TMarosites@unitedad.com on 04/13/2001 06:31:23 PMo  ) Please respond to TMarosites@unitedad.comx   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comX4 cc:    (bcc: Norm Raphael/Worcester/Neles-Jamesbury)) Subject:  RE: seeing escapes is believingl        E Thank You all for your comments , I will use the search /out method .hL My class for my users is how use escape commands in DCL. My first topic tell  H that you should create a symbol for the escape character or and other noC printable characters when ever possible. So! all your comments wereM	 relative.u   Thanks again Terry Marosites      -----Original Message-----# From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospame& [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]$ Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:38 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu( Subject: Re: seeing escapes is believing    
 In articleH <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FE202@seantexch.unitedad.com>, Terry+ Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> writes:x  & :... This message is in MIME format...  9   Please turn off MIME in your posting software.  Thanks!o  L :  This should be a simple question for someone. I have a DCL procedure thatL :uses escape commands like formfeed and in character positioning statements.H :I want to show this to some students in the same format as when you see themC :in EDT i.e. <FF> and <ESC>. I don't have access to a VMS system...P  C   Several problems exist here, first, you should have access to thetA   OpenVMS system.  Second, your DCL procedure should NOT directlynA   include embedded escape or other control characters, you should @   be using standard DCL programming techniques which avoid this.   For example:   $       esc[0,7] = 27e= $       write sys$output esc+ "]21;" + fulldevnam + esc + "\"v= $       write sys$output esc+ "]2L;" + fulldevnam + esc + "\"a  C   This approach avoids having the embedded escape sequences execute C   when edited.  (This and other DCL programming tips are covered inn+   the Writing Real Programs in DCL book...)a    0  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------dJ       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com  2  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------)L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com      > --0__=bQakra3n2ZzWFJJ0pKnrZXu1Uv4t9OcROhXhkN3hbQzGsjwZyxqdn8g4( Content-type: application/octet-stream; ( 	name="Terry Lee Marosites (E-mail).vcf"L Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Terry Lee Marosites (E-mail).vcf"! Content-transfer-encoding: base64x  L QkVHSU46VkNBUkQNClZFUlNJT046Mi4xDQpOOk1hcm9zaXRlcztUZXJyeTs7TXIuDQpGTjpUZXJyL eSBMZWUgTWFyb3NpdGVzIChFLW1haWwpDQpPUkc6VW5pdGVkIEFkdmVydGlzaW5nIFB1Ymxpc2hpL bmc7U2VhdHRsZSBJUw0KVElUTEU6UHJvZ3JhbWVyIC9BbmFseXN0DQpURUw7V09SSztWT0lDRTooL NDI1KSA0ODctMDEwMCAtZXh0IDMwNzgNClRFTDtIT01FO1ZPSUNFOigzNjApIDc5My02Njk4DQpUL RUw7Q0VMTDtWT0lDRTooNDI1KSA0NjYtMzY1MQ0KVEVMO0NBUjtWT0lDRTooNDI1KSAyMzgtNjA2L MA0KQURSO1dPUks7RU5DT0RJTkc9UVVPVEVELVBSSU5UQUJMRTo7O1VuaXRlZCBBZHZlcnRpc2luL ZyBQdWJsaXNoaW5nPTBEPTBBIDE4OTQzIDEyMHRoIGF2ZSBuZT0wRD0wQSBTdWl0ZSAjMTAxO0JvL PQ0KdGhlbDs7OTgwMTE7VW5pdGVkIFN0YXRlcyBvZiBBbWVyaWNhDQpMQUJFTDtXT1JLO0VOQ09EL SU5HPVFVT1RFRC1QUklOVEFCTEU6VW5pdGVkIEFkdmVydGlzaW5nIFB1Ymxpc2hpbmc9MEQ9MEEgL MTg5NDMgMTIwdGggYXZlIG5lPTBEPTBBIFN1aXRlICMxMDE9MEQ9DQo9MEFCb3RoZWwgOTgwMTE9L MEQ9MEFVbml0ZWQgU3RhdGVzIG9mIEFtZXJpY2ENCkFEUjtIT01FO0VOQ09ESU5HPVFVT1RFRC1QL UklOVEFCTEU6OztQTyBCT1ggNDAzID0wRD0wQT0wRD0wQW5vIG1haWwgdG8gaG9tZSBhZGRyZXNzL O0luZGV4O1dBOzk4MjU2O1VuaXRlZCBTdGF0ZT0NCnMgb2YgQW1lcmljYQ0KTEFCRUw7SE9NRTtFL TkNPRElORz1RVU9URUQtUFJJTlRBQkxFOlBPIEJPWCA0MDMgPTBEPTBBPTBEPTBBbm8gbWFpbCB0L byBob21lIGFkZHJlc3M9MEQ9MEFJbmRleCwgV0EgOTgyNTY9MEQ9MEFVbmk9DQp0ZWQgU3RhdGVzL IG9mIEFtZXJpY2ENCkVNQUlMO1BSRUY7SU5URVJORVQ6dG1hcm9zaXRlc0B3LWxpbmsubmV0DQpS0 RVY6MjAwMTA0MTJUMTU1NTU0Wg0KRU5EOlZDQVJEDQoNCg==  @ --0__=bQakra3n2ZzWFJJ0pKnrZXu1Uv4t9OcROhXhkN3hbQzGsjwZyxqdn8g4--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:24:57 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>g@ Subject: Re: strange behaviour of DIRECTORY with long file names8 Message-ID: <7raldtk5q3ni2dhe0565n685178rdq1bl4@4ax.com>  E On 13 Apr 2001 08:03:56 CDT, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d6 (Wayne Sewell) wrote:u    N >Sorry, forgot about that part.  My point was that you have to do something to, >the disk in order to use the ods-5 stuff.   > M >Me, I don't really use ods-5 on any production disk.  My one level 5 disk is < >solely for testing of the new ods-5 support in TAPESYS 6.0.  E We back up some ODS-5 volumes with Tapesys 5.2.24 currently. Should IsE worry about not having the "new ods-5" support? Have also carried outh< some limited testing of Tapesys 5.2.24 with VMS 7.3 EFT2 and@ everything seems fine. Any known problems I should look out for. -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 08:28:25 -0400c" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: sys$io_performw: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010416081950.01f034d0@24.8.96.48>  3 At 11:07 PM 4/13/2001 -0500, Larry Kilgallen wrote:IJ >In article <y4bsq67aaf.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, J >Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:2 > > Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes: > > K > >> HAs anyone measured the performance diffs between QIO, OI_PERFORM, and-D > >> paging? I assume the paging has inherited any speedups as well. > >rK > > Paging, at least under VMS at the moment, has the disadvantage of beingsM > > synchronous - that is, there is no euiquivalent to prefetching in paging.S >-D >But that does not mean block-at-a-time.  Pagefault Cluster size has >been around at least 20 years.   J And pagefaulting doesn't have to be synchonous either, at least as far as L user mode code is concerned. You can play games with pagefaults, inner mode J code, and ASTs that get you what's essentially asynchronous pagefaulting. E (Assuming, of course, the user mode code doesn't need the pages that E haven't faulted in yet)J  I Whether it's worth the effort is a separate question--doing this sort of pI thing is tricky, and probably not worth the hassle these days. (The page QL fault codepath is the shortest and least CPU-intensive way to get data from I disk to memory, but it's hard to get that strapped for cycles these days)    					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------d2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenl;                                       teddy bears get drunkb   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2001 04:21:13 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area- Message-ID: <87lmp16hja.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ) "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:   D > Perhaps they need a bit of education themselves about exactly what? > such programs are meant to accomplish.  They're not a form ofTF > corporate-provided welfare for education (AFAIK, Compaq isn't in the? > welfare business), they're a form of marketing to a small butrF > arguably important segment.  And when your marketing isn't effectiveD > in its target market, you don't blame the customers, you listen to3 > their observations and change it to satisfy them.,  C Well, they should be, as they are the potential benificeries. GivenTK what exists in schools, colleges and unis, and ignoring other consideratinsb" would you recomend a business buy:   VMSx Linux@
 Other unix M$   How would you rank them?  9 > The problem isn't lack of input, it's lack of response.7  G I wonder if they understand what is a stake for them, and the potential ) payoffs for their (tax deductable) input.a   -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Apr 2001 15:15:26 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area, Message-ID: <9bf2ae$maq@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  t In article <ygjC6.17066$%_1.3714030@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >e? >"Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in messageo' >news:ze6J8mXVHkex@malvm1.mala.bc.ca...o >c >> >. >> >   o  Inappropriate Educational Programme. >>8 >>    The good news is that a highly reliable source has= >> reported in this newsgroup that Mr. Marcello is working ong@ >> this. The bad news is he's been doing this for about 6 months  >> and nothing has happened yet. >> >yI >From what I gather the folks responsible for the educational program areoG >somewhat taken aback that people would look a gift horse in the mouth.u  G Blame the user again, eh?   We told them in explicit detail, year after K year after year what we needed in an academic program.  And the _only_ part>E that they got right was the online registration and license download.rC As far as I'm concerned their "gift" is nothing but an empty box.     K >Compaq is of the opinion that offering free single-user licenses (which of M >course you have to sign up for and download from the Web on an annual basis)7I >is a Good Thing and that it complements the CSLG which can be applied to  >multiuser systems.e >uH >Over 40 universities are now using the free edu license program, so theF >opposition isn't exactly universal. I suspect Compaq would appreciateK >constructive input on how the program could be improved; griping about itso, >deficiencies won't cut much ice with the Q.  B Using it for what?  I can well believe that there are people at 40E different universities that signed up for this program for their homeoJ VMS machines instead of going with the regular hobbyist program.  However,F I do not believe that there are 40  universities using this program toJ teach with VMS.  In fact, unless other evidence is presented, I would tendH to believe that there are ZERO sites using it for this purpose.  And, ofJ course, if anybody is using it for real work (ie, research) they are doing) so in violation of the license agreement.r   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu> Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, CaltechJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 01:17:22 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area- Message-ID: <877l0kwyql.fsf@prep.synonet.com>C  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message# > news:3ADA4E5C.7A3BEDD3@fsi.net...   ; > > > Apropos to the above, one place you can register your-5 > > > suggestions, et al, is the Advocacy Web site atb  > > > www.compaqworkinggroup.org  D > > > Material submitted to said site will be evaluated for the next< > > > round of voting; submissions can be made until June 5.  B > > > And yes, the site still uses Java. Those who eschew Java andC > > > such can send an email to compaqworkinggroup@sba.com to learnf4 > > > about alternative methods of issue submission.   > > The site is hosed.  0 > > Requested my old password, received garbage:  > I tried it again... Still the same shit broken Java Script! To< 'enhance our internet experience' I'm sure. NOTHING seems to have changed at all.  D > So it appears! I'm using Windoze2K, I managed to log in today with
 > no problem."  F > Send an email to Jonathan_Lurie@sba.com and ask him what's going on!  E Frankly Terry, why? Given the crap I got from them last time, and the C seeming total tin ear they have shown to reported problems, what ise
 the point?  H And why are they still running it? Web masters with a clue are findable, and would LOVE the custom...   -- O< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.t@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:49:44 -0700d! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comr6 Subject: RE: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas areaD Message-ID: <OF4A25EBB8.8BA0F0F8-ON88256A30.0061E598@foundation.com>  I You've got my top three right there, although not necessarily in the sameh order as me.   Shane           J "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> on 04/15/2001 04:27:07 AM  B Please respond to "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh cc:n  7 Subject:  RE: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas areai    " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  7 On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:sK >Damn! I wonder if anyone who can make it would be interested in presentingn >a petition......a  : Precisely what would you be interested in petitioning for?  J There are a multitude of faults with The Q's visible strategy for OpenVMS.I And I don't think any promises would be worth the paper they were printed  on.t  8 Here's a start on the points I see as needing addressed:  )   o  Inappropriate Educational Programme.c  *   o  Overpricing of hardware and licenses.  2   o  Lack of commitment to marketing the platform.     Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----e Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOtjWcsriC3SGiziTAQGZNAgAgSzDxoUrY3afjpLt9H5nHNjkFtGRisCz@ JuxMp4c/Hifi9iss2rCYJff200p9vbbvnsUutep5RA7LX9pLpa8TQFCuJ9rrIpyo@ vy0yxTAM2opr/Y1JCQ0J6wMvs6bhAbv4YSfKIs+dgOasuDoSjoaUHdwVxpHV4w5i@ SXLwI/I/eSEDlmRJnlvzLbrHo5gQ76nfXmIIfVIwO1hXTI/J0rO8dUrP0IWlAnCm@ yG59OUSCoLh5pw4BX5d6Ly2lbH0dlrID2QUbu7qEwn8Je1EA9P0037JuLf3SPrfs8 ygMUuTbI0uj6Ll1zFoENXxmmPoPbIy8W+lVwJZJvaiQoW/VqZtf5Zw== =4pC7l -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:23:48 +0100.% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>mK Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areaw8 Message-ID: <sldldt0a54ae1e5p1sebel50skboqas756@4ax.com>  A On 13 Apr 2001 17:34:38 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davidi Mathog) wrote:    J >That they had this much stock to dump is of course a direct result of theK >overpricing of their products (THEY NEVER LISTEN!) and the inadequacies oflL >their inventory control.  I bet their accountants made it appear that there  A And the fact that the Alpha PC 164LX did not originally have bootuF firmware for anything other than NT. In fact the motherboard manual isF titled "AlphaPC 164LX Motherboard Windows NT".  Island just update the? firmware and build the systems into a tower case similar to theS XP1000.i  F At the prices for this box and the "au" series I can squeeze in ordersC for "nice to have" systems rather than "essential to have" systems.=F For instance I'm evaluating the suitability of the PC 164LX to be usedE as a development system solely by a French plant which is hogging ourpE current development box with Euro base currency conversion work. Even.A in the current tight financial climate I can spend $2,500 dollars=B (including base VMS and single user Fortran - other needed licenseD already site wide or counted user). I could not easily spend the twoB to four times this amount to go for an EV6 system at Compaq prices! just for a "nice to have" system.p  L >was at least a 50% margin on every EV56 workstation sold. And I'll also betJ >that one of the ways that they did this was to post the loss from dumpingI >all of these unsold systems went into a completely separate category, soe/ >that the margin numbers wouldn't be reduced.  o >i	 >Regards,  >h
 >David Mathog  >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu@ >Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:15:39 -0400t2 From: "Kent, Philip  JW1811" <kent@jwfc.jfcom.mil> Subject: The Hacker DiariesnH Message-ID: <5B57189920E7D41190B500606D210686011A69E5@mailsvr.jfcom.mil>  > I received this email-Thought some of you might be interested.  	 Phil KenteL ============================================================================ =   J One of the best ways to protect yourself from falling prey to online fraudH is to keep up to date with the latest Internet scams. Fortunately, thereD are many great consumer protection Web sites out there.  Two of *my*J favorites are Internet Fraud Watch (part of the National Fraud Information
 Center) at( http://www.fraud.org/internet/intset.htm   and the US Consumer Gateway at http://www.consumer.gov/  E Another great resource, one that I would recommend to EVERYONE, is an-E article I saw last week at MSNBC: "Watch a hacker work the system" at:* http://www.msnbc.com/news/550567.asp?cp1=1  I This article is a collection of excerpts from the diaries of two computeraB criminals showing you some of the ploys these crooks use to fleeceF countless numbers of victims.  The language in the diaries is a littleH rough -- lots of 'damns' and 'hells' and other PG-13 language -- but the? stories these criminals tell will send a chill down your spine.   H In fact, I'm willing to bet that after reading this article you'll never  look at spam the same way again.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 05:51:51 GMTm From: developers@tizek.com; Subject: Tizek.com is in dire need of a development team... ? Message-ID: <XLvC6.142740$lk6.14599998@typhoon.midsouth.rr.com>v   There is no pay (yet) but once we get going income will be generated through advertisements on the site and various other services which we will offer, and there will surely be enough to go around.w   Brief Overview:   H TizEK.com is destined to be THE premiere Internet portal for techies andE geeks alike. We currently need graphic developers, HTML authors, PHP,d: CGI/PERL authors, and creative minds. To apply, mail us at developers@tizek.com  
 Thank you,	 TizEK.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:04:06 +0200o+ From: "Fred A G" <nospam@allowed.localhost>-* Subject: Re: tuning VMS for Oracle7 Server4 Message-ID: <N0CC6.1642$qr.4600@nntpserver.swip.net>  : "Warren Spencer" <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message) news:tdec0gtje76j87@news.supernews.com...-B > nospam@allowed.localhost (Fred A G) wrote in <WuEB6.1121$qr.2785 > @nntpserver.swip.net>: > D > I ain't no expert, but I did spend a few years on that platform... >t  D Then you are probably much more of an expert than the party that wasG responsible for installing and setup. (Not us, but we have to deal with- the mess in prod, so...)    F > What version of Oracle?  If it's 7.3.n.n.n, then check out "Reserved MemoryE > Registry" in Oracle and OpenVMS docs.  This feature lets you devotemE > physical ram to Oracle's SGA, bypassing OpenVMS's paging mechanism,s for aU5 > significant performance improvement, in most cases.l >D  C It is 7.3.3 (don't have the patch/fix version details with me rightt now).K  E Yes, I've already checked out the bit about devoting ram to SGA (fromEF the Oracle7 Install Guide, I think). It seems really simple - reserve,@ autogen and reboot. Can I trust AUTOGEN here? Aren't there otherC parameters (than GBL*) and procedures I need to care about (as most1 often there are)?W  C Something told me to lower the "normal" rule-of-thumb that SGA-sizelH should be max. 30% of real mem. to about 20%. Does reserving for SGA and> enabling Fast IO require more real memory (SGA-size+additional GBLPAGES+MAXBOBMEM?)?D  E What do I need to adjust for Mailbox communication or Process quotas?XF The Install guide says something about "might need to customize". (Not' very easy when you don't know the app.)T    E > For small databases, you can end up cacheing the entire database in9 ram, if3D > you devote a large enough reserved memory area.  I've set up a fewD > databases with a 48 MB SGA/Reserved Memory block, but you can make themH > much bigger.  Depends on your available hardware and application load, of	 > course.- >   F This database is near 50GB, but I guess it should be possible to cacheD "daily data" for the users. Though I'm not sure what tools to use toE count or measure that data. No help from the developers there either.   H The whole matter is that, I'm just trying to cover most basic things andH not so much tuning the whole beast (since there are flaws already in the
 design)...   Regardse /Fad   > ws >  > --3 > << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>n >y > Warren Spencer > Senior Software Engineer > The Associated Press >wA > ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 15:18:12 +0200"+ From: "Fred A G" <nospam@allowed.localhost>d* Subject: Re: tuning VMS for Oracle7 Server4 Message-ID: <_dCC6.1646$qr.4782@nntpserver.swip.net>  > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:UwirLhOWjXD8@malvm1.mala.bc.ca... >  > A >    You also need to tweak the parameters in INIT.ORA to use the 
 expanded SGA,0> > primarily things like db_block_buffers and shared_pool_size. >y  G Yep, I was primarily concerned about "external" settings. (We have someh> Oracle experience on other platforms, but none on VMS... Yet!)  D We have to tweak both these init parameters, and we learned that theH hard way *oops*. Some problems with dictionary lookups etc. I'm not sure2 how to establish their appropriate sizes though...    F >    I'm running one with a 256MB SGA right now ( Oracle 8.1.6 ). I'll probablyG > up that to 1GB when the new server arrives. I think Oracle recommends  notiG > using more than 30% of your memory for SGA, but this depends a lot ont them > workload.  >s  E Memory is always nice, and fairly cheap (3rd party anyway!), but it'stD not always easy when the beancounters are stuck on "all our PCs work) well with 128MB why do you need 4GB!?!?".t    > >    My biggest problem with Oracle on VMS is that neither the
 MultithreadedlH > server nor prespawned server processes work reliably.  The overhead toE > connect to the database can be several seconds using regular serverp processes -n  < What kind of issues? We're not using MTS (luckily, I guess).    D > this is a real pain in a web server environment but not much of an issuei@ > if you're going to have users who connect and stay on for long periods. >p  6 Our users work host-based, through Telnet connections.   Regards- /Fad   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:48:21 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> 5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen? ( Message-ID: <3ADAF820.DACB7E91@ohio.edu>  J I think that is what is known in the US as a "ground-fault interrupter" orN "GFI".  It is routine these days to install such as part of the wall socket in
 the bathroom.e  #                                 RDPc     Dirk Munk wrote:   > Eric Smith wrote:t > $ > > Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:J > > > A small correction to my last post: Protective earth and Neutral are$ > > > strictly separated in Holland. > >dF > > In the US, they are required to be connected at EXACTLY one point,G > > usually the main breaker panel.  They MAY NOT be connected anywhereeF > > else, even other breaker panels.  This is because the neutral lineD > > carries large currents, and thus may be at different voltages atJ > > different points in the building.  So if you tied neutral to ground inJ > > two or more places, that could cause large current to flow through the, > > ground, which would be a Very Bad Thing. >sN > You are absolutely right, and that is why neutral is not connected to groundO > at all in the house itself. As far as I know neutral is only connected to thenN > ground at the power source, so at some big transformer of the power company.O > And I have been told this is only to prevent the whole system from "floating" % > in respect to the ground potential.  > J > For security reasons the switch boxes in the house are also equiped withN > "earth leakage switches" (don't know what the English verb for such a switchN > is). It measures the difference between the incoming current over the phase,P > and the outgoing current over neutral. As soon as a difference of more than 30I > mA is detected, (thus a current of more than 30 mA is leaking to groundo; > somewhere), the group or the whole power is switched off.. >> > >e > >eN > > It surprises me that Holland would not do this.  If they are not connectedI > > anywhere, it is possible for a large potential difference to build up  > > between them, which is bad.w   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2001 10:33:11 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?a3 Message-ID: <8wLVbWJvN3pJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  H In article <3AD7F696.EB67194E@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > J > For security reasons the switch boxes in the house are also equiped withN > "earth leakage switches" (don't know what the English verb for such a switch > is). a  G Sounds like a grounid fault interrupter (GFI).  In the US only requireddC for locations that tend to have water (bathroom, outdoors, near thel pool, and such).  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationp= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupvE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 00:07:59 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?i- Message-ID: <87bspwx1y8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  / "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:t  < > I think that is what is known in the US as a "ground-faultE > interrupter" or "GFI".  It is routine these days to install such asi* > part of the wall socket in the bathroom.  E I was possibly saved by one the other day. Bloody Laser printers thattD stick warning all over the PS boards, then run 240AC through another  with nothing to hint about it...  F BTW, hate to be on topic, but if some one does know the details of howB to hack a 6K to run from a single 240VAC pahase, I'd love to know.   -- R< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2001 09:25:05 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS6 Message-ID: <20010416092505.30663.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  C On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  >John Vottero wrote:I >> You don't really need to do this.  You don't care about the IP addressa? >> assigned to by the ISP because it's assigned to the router.   >oK >But if I want to "advertise" the IP to reach my machine from the internet,tN >then my VAX wants to ask my router what the currently assigned IP address is.L >(and probably generate some HTML that is deposited in a "public" place thatI >allows one to click and get to my machine with the numeric IP address ini >there.)  I If you visit http://www.cjb.net and look for the Perl scripts to update aeH dynamic address you can sort things out. You don't even need to know theI assigned IP as their server will detect where you are coming from. If you J don't run Perl then I'm sure it won't be difficult to rewrite their update! software in a different language.i  I This will allow you to have an address such as http://vmsbox.cjb.net. Youh' can even join the OpenVMS webring then!      Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----g Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOton8sriC3SGiziTAQF0Fgf9G1POx0LbPwj0iqjkeWGOUdjUTaJhlX/X@ x6EfeXpoMKxlZOGjsfjxJJNngD3tIm3X6Y4iM0Tsq+EvKiZF5016mpQFUz94q8sl@ 9TzdoIwT/NT9P2+v2wNdT7sXmYrRyBNR5Hj57yMVVQ1ytpHqYps7OSi0gLVd9PY0@ 0Y2M0JH8hm5aHr6zPZMr8JJXV59BSXK1Tin2aQMEYaDWVVaaFEVwueIAK6yyB9YD@ QZUDfvHWKU64/Yzfyw5LNUGFyPo79QOuBmYx1m2QCo7oEu13u3h1vLgMWzogu/QO8 t/A5ICDtMsS88ldj2WraqENe+zNnAlyLihqQAmgpUg8SM+Dq1qdFHA== =a4L4e -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:27:22 -04008% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>'( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS/ Message-ID: <tdm7bgo5cee93b@news.supernews.com>n  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3ADA7A0B.5FBC80FF@videotron.ca... > John Vottero wrote:sJ > > You don't really need to do this.  You don't care about the IP address? > > assigned to by the ISP because it's assigned to the router.B >NL > But if I want to "advertise" the IP to reach my machine from the internet,K > then my VAX wants to ask my router what the currently assigned IP addresse is.nH > (and probably generate some HTML that is deposited in a "public" place thatJ > allows one to click and get to my machine with the numeric IP address in there.)  >o  G Ok, you care about the IP address in you're coming in from the outside. K There are a number of services that can help you with this but I don't haveeE any experience with them.  Try searching Altavista for "dynamic DNS".    > H > Or if I wish to access my machine from elsewhere, I want to be able to knowK > what my current IP address is. (eg: my vax can send a page to my phone tot! > confirm my currnet IP address).r >f8 > > The DNS assigned by the ISP will rarely ever change. >QB > Correct, but sometimes, they introduce new ones that have better performancemH > and this information would be available in the DHCP responses from the ISP.= > If I am going to do the job, I might as well do a good job./ >t  * Sure, sometimes they change but it's rare.  J > > the DNS server(s) and you will probably never have to change them.   AI > > better idea might be to run your own DNS server.  Then you don't careu aboutHK > > the ISP's DNS servers and you can resolve your internal names even when5 your > > connection is down.: >3K > However, I have slow equipment at home. So I am not sure if relying on myhH > local DSN to serve my other machines would be such a good idea. But if that isiE > the only way to provide name service to both the local and interneto	 machines,  > then so be it. >n  H I wouldn't recommend running a DNS server on a 16MB MicroVAX II but just# about anything else should be fine.a  J > > You could set it up that way, with your ISP as a forwarder.  Depending onL > > the ISP that may or may not be a good idea.  If you don't setup your ISP asG > > a forwarder then your DNS server will ask a root server.   The rootd servers L > > will respond with an answer like: "I don't know but the name servers forI > > that domain are..." and then your server will ask those name servers.P >6I > How do ISPs work when they provide dedicated "real" internet access foro > servers etc to a company ?I > Is the company expected to deal with the ISP's DNS machines or with thef root > machines ? >s  L It's a question of whether or not the customer will be running thier own DNSJ server.  In my experiences the ISP didn't really care if we used their DNSK or ran our own.  If you have the expertise to run your own you would preferf? that, if you don't have the expertise then leave it to the ISP.r  E > Is it correct to state that the only complete database for a domaine
 resides atJ > the root with any DNS in between having only cached data from recent DNSL > requests ? Or do large ISPs actually replicate the large databases for theA > most common root domains (.com, .org. .edu and .country_code) ?h  L The only complete database for a domain resides on the domains name servers.L The only thing the root servers know is who the domains name servers are.  IH don't know of an ISPs that try to replicate a root server, it would be a silly thing to do.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:39:19 -0700d+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>r( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS( Message-ID: <3ADB2037.209CCA7A@mmaz.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   P > If I were to get a NAT router between a VMS machine and the internet, with theP > NAT router doing all the DHCP stuff between itself and the ISP, how hard wouldE > it be to write an application on VMS to query the router to get thenO > information such as the IP address assigned by the ISP, and more importantly,w > the DNS address of the ISP ?  O If you use Linux with its MASQuerading feature, it would not be too hard at alleQ and you could do this on an old low-end Pentium system that is otherwise useless. N I gather that your ISP is providing you a dynamic IP, but if you are doing NATO either through a router or as I mentioned with Linux, why do you care about therP dynamic IP address assigned by your ISP?  Is this so that you can reverse tunnelR back in?  If so, what I did before I transitioned my home network over to DSL withO static IP's, every time the PPP connection came back up, I e-mailed a notice toeL the remote address so that I could determine what the systems new dynamic IP, address was set to.  Crude, but effective...    P > Would the local DNS server serve all requests from all oocal nodes, forwardingJ > those it doesn't know about to the ISP's DNS ? How much of a performance > slowdown would that cause ?X  R I setup a primary DNS for the private network on the same Linux box that performedD the NAT and let the root cache's handle the rest of the private net.N Additionally, the Linux box uses ipchains to perform basic packet filtering...   Barryr   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOt  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:46:41 -0700p+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com> ( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS( Message-ID: <3ADB21F1.A86B8659@mmaz.com>   JF Mezei wrote:e   > John Vottero wrote:cJ > > You don't really need to do this.  You don't care about the IP address? > > assigned to by the ISP because it's assigned to the router.o >mL > But if I want to "advertise" the IP to reach my machine from the internet,O > then my VAX wants to ask my router what the currently assigned IP address is.:M > (and probably generate some HTML that is deposited in a "public" place that R > allows one to click and get to my machine with the numeric IP address in there.)  L You cannot do this with private network address space, technically it is notO supposed to be routable so if your intent is to establish public DNS entries todA reference the IP's of your private network, you will not succeed.s    M > Or if I wish to access my machine from elsewhere, I want to be able to knowsK > what my current IP address is. (eg: my vax can send a page to my phone to ! > confirm my currnet IP address).s  M If you know the dynamic IP address of your router, as I mentioned in my prior O e-mail, you can then reverse access back into your network in a couple specificsT cases.  I use TWIS's plug-gw to setup IP ports on my Linux router so that when I hitN that special port, it translates to the correct system on the internal privateN network and also translates to the correct TCP or UDP port.  Now this does notO scale, one hidden system works, but you start running into problems with two org more...r   Barryr   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOe  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:56:53 -0700n! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.como( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNSD Message-ID: <OFFD5B551B.26A8E269-ON88256A30.006246BE@foundation.com>  J Might I suggest possibly the simplest solution: ask you ISP? Mine was mostE helpful when I told them I'd be trying to connect a VMS system. FirstaI question was "what's that?", as you'd expect from a PC-oriented helpdesk,nJ but they did give me all the information I asked for. They even got one ofI the back-end techies to help out directly. I nearly fell out of my chair.   3 Give them a try. You might get a pleasant surprise.    Shane           : Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it> on 04/15/2001 08:55:47 AM  2 Please respond to Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd cc:   ) Subject:  Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNSe    . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  E > it be to write an application on VMS to query the router to get the B > information such as the IP address assigned by the ISP, and more importantly, > the DNS address of the ISP ?  F If your router provides SNMP, maybe you can obtain these value in thisB way, you just have to discover which OID is used (if there's one).  F If it has remote logging support, the "syslog" service used on unixes,@ and VMS is able to receive this kind of informations, maybe that informations are logged here.O  E As a last chance, you have to write a program that does a TELNET intoaA the router, login, do the appropriate commands and then parse thex resulting output!W        enumeratingly,p         Cthulhup   --  G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!,+                   <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>m   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:20:16 +0100r% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>I$ Subject: Re: VMS friendly website???8 Message-ID: <jkaldt822kq42gjkgmpojiha5f6c7c9ts6@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:47:27 -0700, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:    G >2) The Opera development team probably don't have a VMS system, or VMS L >experience. I'm sure we can dig up a couple of competant people for them onF >this list ( :-) ), but the machine and licences would be a problem at >Compaq's prices.   C But you can buy a EV56 based configuration built by Island completeiF with VMS license and single user C for around $2,500. Should easily be suitable for an Opera port.h   >oJ >3) VMS has a bad reputation out there, legacy, old fashioned, uncool etc.K >We'd probably have to get some offical Compaq support, a commitment letter ! >at least, preferably a lot more.r >  >i -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 09:59:46 -0700t! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com $ Subject: Re: VMS friendly website???D Message-ID: <OFB9BEB163.244E1C74-ON88256A30.005D2463@foundation.com>  C Opera is $40 even on PCs, I checked before posting. There is a freerH version, but it has advertising built in. Advertising revenues have beenJ drying up on the net recently, so I expect they'll need people prepared to: pay the $40 rather than people prepared to ignore the ads.   Shanea          4 Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> on 04/14/2001 01:36:25 AM  , Please respond to Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw cc:t  % Subject:  Re: VMS friendly website???:    D In article <OFA58AB52D.12015A8C-ON88256A2D.006092AB@foundation.com>, wrote:# > From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comd > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmse& > Subject: Re: VMS friendly website???' > Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:47:27 -0700  >e >AF > I like this idea, and I'll gladly volunteer to co-ordinate trying toH > persuade them if there's enough interest, but to be realistic I do see some	 > issues.a > G > 1) Opera is not free, the version without advertising is $40. To do an port, @ > there would have to be enough of us prepared to pay to make it interestingrJ > to them. I suggest getting together a list of people who are interested. >t  D Some time since I looked, but the Windows version is free, the Linux versionaJ costs (after a 30 day trial period). I'd gladly pay that sort of price for
 Opera on VMS.a  H > 2) The Opera development team probably don't have a VMS system, or VMSJ > experience. I'm sure we can dig up a couple of competant people for them onG > this list ( :-) ), but the machine and licences would be a problem ati > Compaq's prices. >i  $ An Islandco system plus CSA license?  K > 3) VMS has a bad reputation out there, legacy, old fashioned, uncool etc.eE > We'd probably have to get some offical Compaq support, a commitment  letter" > at least, preferably a lot more. >  Yes, that would help.    > Comments?e >n   ___o
 Paul Sture Switzerlandr   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2001 15:25:33 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: VMS721_LOADSS-V0100* Message-ID: <3adaf2cd$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ' As you might already found out, the ECO    	VMS721_LOADSS-V0100   does replace the files   	SYS$SHARE:SECURESHR.EXE 	SYS$SHARE:SECURESHRP.EXE   2 but unfortunately lacks to replace these images in   	SYS$SHARE:IMAGELIB.OLB     4 The symptom of this is (as you expected) the message  P %LINK-I-DATMISMCH, creation date of 18-MAY-2000 04:30 in shareable image SYS$COM MON:[SYSLIB]SECURESHR.EXE;15P         differs from date of 29-DEC-1999 03:54 in shareable image library SYS$CO MMON:[SYSLIB]IMAGELIB.OLB;1s    G The cure of this is (as you surely know) to replace the images yourself1  2 	$ LIBR SYS$SHARE:IMAGELIB SYS$SHARE:SECURESHR.EXE3 	$ LIBR SYS$SHARE:IMAGELIB SYS$SHARE:SECURESHRP.EXEe     just to nitpick    -- l< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888G< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:57:45 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r> Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)8 Message-ID: <l6gldtkf8jsp0log4snj5ou0gn3vb8bsag@4ax.com>  4 On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:44:28 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:     >aK >It increasingly appears that Microsoft is more a Compaq REMF than a CompaqtM >"Frontline Partner." Linux is ascendant, now that Compaq has elevated the OSiH >to Program Office status. And Compaq seems to be real tight with Oracle >these days.  F The phrase Winkler used at the last analysts conference was "MicrosoftF is the number one franchise of Compaq". In the transcript this appearsE as (the somewhat strange) "Microsoft is the franchise of Compaq".  HelF then goes on to say that CEOs of all their major customers are telling! him that's the way they like it..n   >cM >Keep an eye on near-term developments at the Q. An analysis of who stays andlK >who goes in the latest round of Houston Musical Chairs may prove useful in L >assessing who's a strategic partner, and who's a strategic competitor. If II >were a Compaqtian, I'd feel a lot more secure if I was backing the LinuxaM >horse than the swaybacked Redmond beast. But that's just my opinion, I could 
 >be wrong.   We're watching...0   >m >charlie matco >u   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:19:05 +01000  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>> Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)+ Message-ID: <VA.00000359.1b0a8ba5@sture.ch>o  J In article <l6gldtkf8jsp0log4snj5ou0gn3vb8bsag@4ax.com>, Alan Greig wrote:' > From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>b > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsg@ > Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)' > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:57:45 +0100e > 6 > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:44:28 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"$ > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: >  >  > >hM > >It increasingly appears that Microsoft is more a Compaq REMF than a CompaqcO > >"Frontline Partner." Linux is ascendant, now that Compaq has elevated the OS J > >to Program Office status. And Compaq seems to be real tight with Oracle > >these days. > H > The phrase Winkler used at the last analysts conference was "MicrosoftH > is the number one franchise of Compaq". In the transcript this appearsG > as (the somewhat strange) "Microsoft is the franchise of Compaq".  He H > then goes on to say that CEOs of all their major customers are telling# > him that's the way they like it..  >  > >-O > >Keep an eye on near-term developments at the Q. An analysis of who stays and1M > >who goes in the latest round of Houston Musical Chairs may prove useful inFN > >assessing who's a strategic partner, and who's a strategic competitor. If IK > >were a Compaqtian, I'd feel a lot more secure if I was backing the LinuxWO > >horse than the swaybacked Redmond beast. But that's just my opinion, I coulde > >be wrong. >  > We're watching...e > O More info from Terry on the cutbacks at http://www.theinquirer.org/16040101.htm   O " Even though Compaq's enterprise contingent contributed around 80 per cent of NP the firm's 4FQ00 profit - and will contribute even more in 1FQ01 and beyond - a N number of employees in the OpenVMS, Tru64 UNIX, and Alpha groups already have $ received their tap on the shoulder."  N 80% of the profit! We always knew it was a healthy chunk, but I for one never   thought it was such a large one.  O The cancellation of the Innovate Forum and the "Stringent travel restrictions"  O are interesting in the light of the DECUS Europe events still going full steam n2 ahead. Maybe they are getting the message at last? ___t
 Paul Sture Switzerlandb   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:19:50 GMTm4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>> Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)= Message-ID: <GrBC6.18695$%_1.4280291@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>h  - "Paul Sture" <paul@sture.ch> wrote in messaget% news:VA.00000359.1b0a8ba5@sture.ch...iL > In article <l6gldtkf8jsp0log4snj5ou0gn3vb8bsag@4ax.com>, Alan Greig wrote:) > > From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms B > > Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)) > > Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:57:45 +0100, > >s8 > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:44:28 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"& > > <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote: > >a > >n > > >CH > > >It increasingly appears that Microsoft is more a Compaq REMF than a CompaqJ > > >"Frontline Partner." Linux is ascendant, now that Compaq has elevated the OSL > > >to Program Office status. And Compaq seems to be real tight with Oracle > > >these days. > >rJ > > The phrase Winkler used at the last analysts conference was "MicrosoftJ > > is the number one franchise of Compaq". In the transcript this appearsI > > as (the somewhat strange) "Microsoft is the franchise of Compaq".  He J > > then goes on to say that CEOs of all their major customers are telling% > > him that's the way they like it..s > >e > > >hG > > >Keep an eye on near-term developments at the Q. An analysis of whor	 stays andnL > > >who goes in the latest round of Houston Musical Chairs may prove useful inK > > >assessing who's a strategic partner, and who's a strategic competitor.n If IG > > >were a Compaqtian, I'd feel a lot more secure if I was backing theo Linux K > > >horse than the swaybacked Redmond beast. But that's just my opinion, I  could  > > >be wrong. > >t > > We're watching...n > >o) > More info from Terry on the cutbacks at ' http://www.theinquirer.org/16040101.htms >aH > " Even though Compaq's enterprise contingent contributed around 80 per cent ofcF > the firm's 4FQ00 profit - and will contribute even more in 1FQ01 and
 beyond - aJ > number of employees in the OpenVMS, Tru64 UNIX, and Alpha groups already have& > received their tap on the shoulder." >rI > 80% of the profit! We always knew it was a healthy chunk, but I for onet neverS" > thought it was such a large one.  J Yep, BCSG, Services, and ISSG were the key profit centers. Given the sorryB state of the PC business, BCSG and Services will make an ever more significant contribution.a >mB > The cancellation of the Innovate Forum and the "Stringent travel
 restrictions"eJ > are interesting in the light of the DECUS Europe events still going full steamt4 > ahead. Maybe they are getting the message at last?  J Innovate is a very costly dog-and-pony show. Dell cancelled a very similarK event this year as well. Since Compaq already has access to CETS2001 (whichaF is funded by the CSA, ASE, and Windows NT Wizards groups as well as by5 Encompass US), it makes sense to leverage that event.-   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Apr 2001 14:43:27 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)> Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.), Message-ID: <9bf0ef$maq@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  t In article <ME2C6.15167$%_1.3205462@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >t >IM >Keep an eye on near-term developments at the Q. An analysis of who stays andtK >who goes in the latest round of Houston Musical Chairs may prove useful ineH >assessing who's a strategic partner, and who's a strategic competitor.   K Perhaps so.  But over the years I've observed that companies that do reorg  G after reorg die.  That's because while one reorg is allowed for any newaG management team (think Jack Welch and GE) constant reorganization meansrK that the folks in charge aren't very good (else the first reorg would have yH done the trick.)  It also tends to mean that they're trying to overcome K internal problems, and spending time on them that probably should be spent t on external problems instead.t   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech eJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Apr 2001 22:45:13 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>> Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)- Message-ID: <87k84kx5s6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>p  6 Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> writes:  L > On Sun, 15 Apr 2001, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  F > >In any event, Microsoft continues to this day to develop its 64-bit > >code on Alpha platforms.     > Thank you for the corrections.  A Latest scuttlebutt mumblage I saw was the the borg was looking toDE moving to 'hammers as the dev platform. Of course, this could just beo9 the goatsofdarkness giving Intel a hardjob for X reasons.Y   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.d@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Apr 2001 13:51:29 GMT% From: afeldman@elsewhere.gfigroup.comlI Subject: Re: Why set PYHSICALPAGES? (was: [Q] Adding Memory to a MV 3100)e* Message-ID: <9betd1$ms6$1@news.netmar.com>  L In article <9b2f4k$8jt$1@news.netmar.com>, <afeldman@elsewhere.gfigroup.com> writes:s >l >JF Mezei wrote: >s >Message 3 in thread s. >From: JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca)K >Subject: Re: Why set PYHSICALPAGES? (was: [Q] Adding Memory to a MV 3100) o >Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Date: 2001-04-10 14:32:24 PST n >  >[...other stuff cut...] >rF >What happens when the stores PHYSICALPAGES is greater than the actualJ >available memory ? Does VMS automatically adjust the memory size to match >real L >memory, or does it blindly assume that SYSGEN'S paramemer is correct at the1 >risk of writin to non existant physical memory ?e >l >[end of quote]t >tJ >In this case, AUTOGEN bases its calculations on PHYSICALPAGES. AFAIK, VMS willH >not write "to non-existent physical memory". The system will simply useI >whatever memory is there. You will simply end up with at best a mistuned-K >system (modified page list too large, e.g.) and at worst, I would guess, al> >very badly tuned system or perhaps even an unbootable system.  L CORRECTION: AUTOGEN bases its calculations on PHYSICALPAGES if it is smallerI than actual memory. If you have a parameter file (VAXVMSSYS.PAR) that wassI created by AUTOGEN and then copy it to another system with smaller memory M (with a manual update of SCSNODE and SCSSYSTEMID, of course); OR, if you shutnL down a system, remove some of the memory, and reboot, *then* you will end upK with a mistuned system. It will usually run, but performance will obviouslyeL be sub-optimal, especially with a large load. A new run of AUTOGEN is highly
 recommended. c  N I have seen such systems and they run but performance is not optimal and there@ is no problem of VMS attempting to write to non-existent memory.  J If you manually set PHYSICALPAGES too high, AUTOGEN warns you about it and1 uses the actual memory size for its calculations.   $ Sorry about goof in the quoted post.  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----VM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupseI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsyL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.213 ************************