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 Apache 2.0& Re: Bad Block Locator Utility or EVRAC& Re: Bad Block Locator Utility or EVRAC DCE Question Re: DCE Question- RE: DEC VR299 19" Color Monitor -- ** FREE ** - Re: DEC VR299 19" Color Monitor -- ** FREE ** - Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX - Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX - Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX - Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX  Re: KZPCA-AA Works fine ! * Re: NOSLOT No PCB available (failed spawn) Re: OpenVMS and Human Resources / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! # OpenVMS equiv of UNIX  pipe Command ' Re: OpenVMS equiv of UNIX  pipe Command ' Re: OpenVMS equiv of UNIX  pipe Command # Re: Preventing spawns (was Re: TSM) 1 Re: REQ: Pager software for Vax running VMS 6 + ? 1 Re: REQ: Pager software for Vax running VMS 6 + ? 1 Re: REQ: Pager software for Vax running VMS 6 + ?  Re: Silent Sun Re: Silent Sun Re: Silent Sun' Re: Some really odd C tuning behaviours ' Re: Some really odd C tuning behaviours < RE: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of prin9 Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of print = Re: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of print = Re: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of print , Re: Star Office progress report (on Solaris), Re: Star Office progress report (on Solaris), Re: Star Office progress report (on Solaris), Re: Star Office progress report (on Solaris) Re: Status of EV7 7 Re: strange behaviour of DIRECTORY with long file names C Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas are a  TCPIP v5.0A MAP command hang, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?  VAX Models : How to be specific?$ Re: VAX Models : How to be specific?$ Re: VAX Models : How to be specific?$ Re: VAX Models : How to be specific? Re: VMS-Related: Affordable & Re: Web-based change VMS password tool5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:26:26 -0500 , From: "Tony Scandora" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov> Subject: Apache 2.0 + Message-ID: <9bhjpi$65p$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>   L A public beta, source code only, of Apache 2.0 has just been released, basedI on a portable runtime library that uses threads, not processes, among its G other virtues.  News reports said how good it would be for Windows, but , nothing about VMS.  Is a VMS port under way?  1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541  scandora@cmt.anl.gov   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:08:45 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>/ Subject: Re: Bad Block Locator Utility or EVRAC - Message-ID: <87itk3h8ci.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:    > Hoff,  > F > With the retirement of the BAD utility, is there anything other than  # >         $ BACKUP/PHYSICAL/COMPARE   D > in the way of a base operating system method (no layered products)E > for touching **EVERY** user-accessible block of a disk drive?  (And @ > thereby forcing bad-block re-vectoring, even of the blocks not  > currently allocated to files?)  C BAD should be usable on any drive. I may not be needed to write the D bad secor records, but writing and checking a drive before you trust/ it with data is, IMO, not an unreasonable idea.   F If you have another drive, stick it into a shadow set. WARNING, I haveE done this in anger with a system disk that spat a block, and the copy F died a horrid death. Turned out the failed block had been removed, butE there was no replacment block, just a 'hole' in the disk. VMS was not  happy at all!   E You can do a SCSI verify with the firmware, or a SCSI format if there  are bad blocks.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:32:38 -0400 - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> / Subject: Re: Bad Block Locator Utility or EVRAC ( Message-ID: <3ADC6215.D7FEA473@ohio.edu>  F The recent version(s) of BAD are a no-op on a disk that is known to doI its own bad-block replacement.  There was a brief period of time when you H could usefully exercise an RA-60 or RA-81 with $ ANALYZE/MEDIA, but thenE the new, "improved" version of BAD came out and it wouldn't even try.   #                                 RDP      Paul Repacholi wrote:   1 > "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:  > 	 > > Hoff,  > > H > > With the retirement of the BAD utility, is there anything other than > % > >         $ BACKUP/PHYSICAL/COMPARE  > F > > in the way of a base operating system method (no layered products)G > > for touching **EVERY** user-accessible block of a disk drive?  (And B > > thereby forcing bad-block re-vectoring, even of the blocks not" > > currently allocated to files?) > E > BAD should be usable on any drive. I may not be needed to write the F > bad secor records, but writing and checking a drive before you trust1 > it with data is, IMO, not an unreasonable idea.  > H > If you have another drive, stick it into a shadow set. WARNING, I haveG > done this in anger with a system disk that spat a block, and the copy H > died a horrid death. Turned out the failed block had been removed, butG > there was no replacment block, just a 'hole' in the disk. VMS was not  > happy at all!  > G > You can do a SCSI verify with the firmware, or a SCSI format if there  > are bad blocks.  >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:35:45 -0500 0 From: arturo saavedra <arturo.saavedra@wcom.com> Subject: DCE Question C Message-ID: <MOEAJKGGEIMGCCPEPJBHGELFDPAA.arturo.saavedra@wcom.com>   , Hi all.. had a question about DCE on Alphas.  C Can DCE be configured to use both TCPIP and DECnet as its transport 	 protocol?   	 Hw:  ES40  os:  OpenVMS 7.2-14 ls:  DCE 1.5 and DCE 3.0 , TCPIP 5.1, DECnet Phase V   Thanks!    abs    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:41:14 -0400 0 From: Wayne Morrison <Wayne.Morrison@compaq.com> Subject: Re: DCE Question * Message-ID: <3ADC722A.64DFA084@compaq.com>  M Yes, DCE for OpenVMS has supported both TCP/IP and DECnet as transports since K DCE V1.0.  Any of the versions of DCE for OpenVMS which have shipped in the I past several years support both DECnet Phase IV and DECnet Phase V.  That M certainly includes DCE V1.5 and DCE V3.0, as you indicate you're using below.   K Oh, yes.  The support for this is the same on both VAX and Alpha.  The only N noticable difference between the platforms is DCE's support for NTLM security,3 which is Alpha-only, and only as of OpenVMS V7.2-1.    	Wayne Morrison  	OpenVMS Engineering 	Compaq Computer Corp.   arturo saavedra wrote: > . > Hi all.. had a question about DCE on Alphas. > E > Can DCE be configured to use both TCPIP and DECnet as its transport  > protocol?  >  > Hw:  ES40  > os:  OpenVMS 7.2-16 > ls:  DCE 1.5 and DCE 3.0 , TCPIP 5.1, DECnet Phase V > 	 > Thanks!  >  > abs    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:19:01 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>6 Subject: RE: DEC VR299 19" Color Monitor -- ** FREE **- Message-ID: <0033000021706919000002L092*@MHS>    =0APilots?  PILOTS??  F There are few aircraft short of an Antonov that could *carry* a VR299.   :^)   * Thanks, but already got one in the garage.   WWWebb     > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET & > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 7:08 PMD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET4 > Subject: DEC VR299 19" Color Monitor -- ** FREE ** >  > ; > Here is your chance to own an original DEC VR299 monitor.  > This beast has aD > 19" (or maybe bigger?) display and uses three-wire RGB inputs with; > sync-on-green.  First person to e-mail me gets to take it  > away -- totally - > free, without charge, gratis, on-the-house.  >  > What's the catch?  > " > 1)  It doesn't work quite right. > ? > After turning on the power you begin to see the display light  > up, and then? > there's a "CLICK!" and it goes blank.  I'd say something like  > a heat-sensor = > or voltage-monitor is kicking in when it shouldn't.  I know  > that the drawing= > circuits appear to work fine because you can see the images  > being displayed 4 > for an instant just before it switches itself off. > > > 2)  No shipping, no delivery.  You want it, come and get it. > = > The monitor is located on beautiful, sunny Long Island, New  > York -- on theE > North shore.  Without traffic, it'd be about a 50-minute drive from < > Manhattan -- only 25 minutes from Republic airport for the > pilots among you. ' > Easy directions.  You won't get lost.  > ; > This is a limited, short-term offer, so act now!  If it's  > still here next  > Monday it goes to the curb.  > " > E-mail me at sapienza@noesys.com >  >  > Frank  >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:19:16 -0400 * From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>6 Subject: Re: DEC VR299 19" Color Monitor -- ** FREE **9 Message-ID: <NpXC6.161690$lj4.4829452@news6.giganews.com>   7 "WILLIAM WEBB" <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message ' news:0033000021706919000002L092*@MHS...   H > There are few aircraft short of an Antonov that could *carry* a VR299. > :^)   , > Thanks, but already got one in the garage.  < A 4000VLC makes a decent monitor stand for one of those :-). and can be used as a heater...  > (I even have mine plugged into the VLC it sits on top of :-).)   -Andy-   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 22:22:22 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>6 Subject: Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX- Message-ID: <87r8yrhaht.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   - "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com> writes:    > Hi Brian.   : > For reasons that are pretty boaring and covered in priorC > rants-and-raves, I haven't the need or desire to use Storageworks ? > any longer.  In fact, last fall we replaced everything with a C > Infrotrends based disk array which screams and puts Compaq/DEC to E > shame both in price and performance.  The problem is that the 8-bit C > SE SCSI interface that is standard on a VAX 4000/100 is terrible. D > The long story short, the disk array works great (though I need toD > bandwidth), but my tape subsystems do not and all of these devicesB > are ultrawide which, as I mentioned, the standard VAX adapter is > only SE narrow.   H Can you fit a wide SCSI TC controller into a 4000-100? Not the PMAZC-AA, the other one.  E > My A to Z issue is that I need external UW SCSI support.  How I get E > there is rather unimportant provided that it doesn't break the bank D > and that it is not a step backwards in performance.  I know of the> > DSSI buses, and that they are slow, but I'm only getting 3MBE > asynchronous SCSI from the existing VAX adapter, so to get two more F > channels at that speed may not be a bad deal provided that I can getC > it converted and successfully support external UW SCSI without SW F > baggage.  What DEC/Compaq never sold, to my knowledge, was a vanillaC > DSSI to SCSI adapter or convertor that operated standalone to SW.   C The 'vanilla' DSSI to SCSI is the HSD05, 10 and on up. The 10 plugs A into a shelf. Another variant has a SCSI bus output. You can have 5 several on a DSSI bus. But yes, they are SW 'bagage'.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:09:50 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com> 6 Subject: Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX( Message-ID: <3ADC6ACE.493DBFAE@mmaz.com>   "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:   J > I thought he meant that he doesn't want to use any StorageWorks product. >   O HSD's are considered SW products, but if I could obtain DSSI to SCSI conversion N independent of being required to also use their enclosures and drives, perhapsH that would be a possible compromise in that respect but I do not need anO intelligent DSSI to SCSI convertor, just something that fully supports external  UW LVD SCSI.   Barry    --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:48:56 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com> 6 Subject: Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX( Message-ID: <3ADC73F8.FDBEDCE1@mmaz.com>  J > Can you fit a wide SCSI TC controller into a 4000-100? Not the PMAZC-AA, > the other one.  H I do not believe so.  The KZCCA is actually a native daughter board thatF connects to the MB using an interface that I believe was available forJ another DSSI bus.  The 4000/100 is not a real expandable system unlike theK big chassis models of the 4000 but even with the big chassis, it is perhaps F my misunderstanding that a lot of the SCSI adapters for the likes of a3 4000/600 or 4000/700 are tape and CD only adapters.   L I still can't decide if this represented Compaq/DEC marketing or engineeringB at their best, but it is a flash back to the old Emulex Q-bus SCSIK controller that could only handle tape or disk, the UC07 I believe.  If you K wanted both, you had to buy the UC08 which was actually a dual channel SCSI 4 which really wasn't addressing the issue properly...  E > The 'vanilla' DSSI to SCSI is the HSD05, 10 and on up. The 10 plugs C > into a shelf. Another variant has a SCSI bus output. You can have 7 > several on a DSSI bus. But yes, they are SW 'bagage'.   J Did I not read somewhere that the external SCSI support from SW enclosuresE downgrade in performance?  Presuming that I did grab something like a K BA350-JA, drop in a HSD10-AA and connect it to me existing DSSI bus and put G no SW drives in the BA350 but rather use the SCSI out connection, can I & still in fact obtain full UW LVD SCSI?  	 Thanks...    Barry    --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:19:55 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com6 Subject: Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAXH Message-ID: <OF121AB431.DEDED810-ON80256A31.005F158D@qedi.quintiles.com>  F Unlikely I'd have thought, given that the BA350 and the HSD10 are only 8-bit devices. The BA356 is the wide one.   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:B >>>Did I not read somewhere that the external SCSI support from SW
 enclosuresE downgrade in performance?  Presuming that I did grab something like a K BA350-JA, drop in a HSD10-AA and connect it to me existing DSSI bus and put G no SW drives in the BA350 but rather use the SCSI out connection, can I ) still in fact obtain full UW LVD SCSI?<<<    ------------------------------  / Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:44:20 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>" Subject: Re: KZPCA-AA Works fine !6 Message-ID: <200104170640.IAA03932@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  M we do use this U2 host adapter under OpenVMS 7.1-2 and DS20, ES40 and XP1000.    Regards Rudolf Wingert  K P.S. The price of a single adapter here in Germany (F&L) is about 600,00DM.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:18:08 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>e3 Subject: Re: NOSLOT No PCB available (failed spawn)C( Message-ID: <3ADC6CC0.F637E304@mmaz.com>   JF Mezei wrote:C  6 > How does one calculate the correct value of SPTREQ ? >LM > On my system, AUTOGEN would calculate it at about 4900, and it seems that IMI > needed much more. (thanks to your suggestion I boosted it to 28% and non > problems since ).n >   S Yes, Autogen does a bad job with SPTE's.  I exchanged numerous e-mail messages with M one of the key principles on the Raxco Perfectcache product and he was on the U individual that told me to hike the SPTREQ.  Because I have two system apps that both:V suck up SPTE's like they are going out of style, I took his recommended amount for hisU product and the minimum from the second and arrived at 70k.  Now one would think thatSS if only one of the two products would be running at a time that you could split theuU difference and use just the largest minimum amount between the two apps, but that was  not the case on my VAX.n  V I cannot say that I understand it, all I can say is that until I had raised the SPTREQT to 70k on my system, I was experience NOSLOTS and processes hanging until the system lurched to a stop.   Regards,   Barryr     --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOe  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:18:05 -0700l! From: Don Sykes <don@alphase.com>a( Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Human Resources+ Message-ID: <3ADC7ACC.DE3CE5D5@alphase.com>e  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------1A819BD2BD29152FFB6B7BAC) Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-asciie Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>J Do you get the "Dilbert" comic strip down there ? This sounds exactly like a Dilbert strip.- <p>fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:MJ <blockquote TYPE=CITE>Today I spent half-day in a job interview&nbsp; (far 250 km from my actual job)! <br>and the HR woman asked me ...-4 <p>- Where / what&nbsp; are you working (with) now ?3 <p>a) It was written in my resume, in her hands.... " <p>&nbsp;-&nbsp; What is OpenVMS ? <p>a) She wanted a MVS guy ....9G <p>- Oh you cannot work with Unix so....&nbsp; you need to recycle ....cJ <p>a) What is the magic in recycle in Unix ?&nbsp; Last time I worked with Solaris, <br>was one year ago.t" <p>- Bye, bye the door is opened ! <p>a) I HATE HR women ....
 <p>Regards <p>FC</blockquote> </html>S  & --------------1A819BD2BD29152FFB6B7BAC- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;g  name="don.vcf"- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr' Content-Description: Card for Don Sykesi  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="don.vcf"r   begin:vcard  n:Sykes;DonD$ tel;cell:Available to customers only tel;fax:415-485-6895 tel;work:415-457-8532t x-mozilla-html:TRUE  url:www.alphase.com  org:Alpha Software Express, LLCh8 adr:;;1380 Lincoln Ave - Suite 5;San Rafael;CA;94901;USA version:2.1o email;internet:don@alphase.com! title:Principal Software Engineeri note;quoted-printable:Website:  http://alphase.com=0D=0AResume:  http://alphase.com/DonsCV.html=0D=0AAlternate Email Address:  alphase@pacbell.net x-mozilla-cpt:;-19520d fn:Don Sykes	 end:vcardI  ( --------------1A819BD2BD29152FFB6B7BAC--   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:40:39 GMTi4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!) Message-ID: <XrSC6.1585$%L5.27548@insync>a  . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote: : Richard Jordan wrote:hI : > The only way to do that is remove the stock price damping factor fromi : > AMD; code name GQ Palmer...  :  : NO NO NO ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! h : N : To minimise the damage he does to thr world, Palmer should be forced to stayL : the longest possible at any company he works for. The fewer job changes he( : has, the fewer companies he will ruin. : 9 : At least Microsoft was smart enough not to hire palmer.W  $ You sure they didn't already ?   ;-)  = Many of his decisions benefitted Microsoft far more than DEC.   / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.netu;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid32                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 08:32:43 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!3 Message-ID: <83LchwFjynbF@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  O In article <3ADB9505.97074B9D@isd.net>, Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net> writes:  > J > * The Inq will attend cos we want to find out how well Open VMS will run > on AMD platforms...  >   D IMHO it would run fine under Charon-VAX, as long as Windoze works on AMD.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:42:26 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!H Message-ID: <OF1B518F76.FD8256F3-ON80256A31.00506293@qedi.quintiles.com>   Some would wish they had..  K Judge Jackson : So Mr. Gates, how are you going to break up your company sod1 that you are no longer a monopoly on the desktop?aJ Gates : Easy.  I've hired my good friend Bob Palmer to run the company for me.  Say hullo Bob. F Palmer : Hullo Judge.  Would you like to have the Windows source code?K Would fifty dollars be enough?  No, make that sixty.  Okay, I'll give you ao; hundred to take the source code.  You drive a hard bargain.9     JF Mezei wrote: : >>>At least Microsoft was smart enough not to hire palmer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:43:18 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com=8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!D Message-ID: <OF5B993D2E.CB9FAA79-ON88256A31.005D640C@foundation.com>  F NO! yourself, JF. Get him out of AMD so they have a chance of chopping Intel down to size.   K Don't know why their stocks are so low. Intel is in deep do-do over the P4, I people are avoiding it in droves. The public seem to have woken up to thejF fact that Mhz isn't everything, and the Athlon's reaping the benefits.  H Incidentally, I saw an interesting article the other day. Not sure whereI though, sorry. I'll post the link if I can find it again. Intel had shown J at a demo how the P4 makes use of its higher memory bandwidth by measiringJ the usage while running a standard benchmark. The article's author noticedJ they just showed the usage (4x the P3), not the benchmark score, so he didH some digging. Turns out the P4 scored almost the same as the P3, meaningI three quarters of the bandwidth used was wasted for no actual performance I gain. That got attributed to the P4 having 128-byte cache rows and the P3dI having 32-byte rows. If the data chunks are small and non-contiguous, theVJ P4 wastes most of its bandwidth.  Of course, that effect will only be seenJ in certain applications, but it's interesting Intel themselves used one to) display the bandwidth throughput numbers.e  H So, I guess memory bandwidth is as unreliable as Mhz in measuring speed.   Shanes          A JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 04/16/2001 09:32:22 PMt  9 Please respond to JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:C  9 Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!      Richard Jordan wrote:EG > The only way to do that is remove the stock price damping factor fromt > AMD; code name GQ Palmer...    NO NO NO ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !  G To minimise the damage he does to thr world, Palmer should be forced toW stayJ the longest possible at any company he works for. The fewer job changes he& has, the fewer companies he will ruin.  7 At least Microsoft was smart enough not to hire palmer.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:54:42 +0200 ' From: "Thys de Wet" <thys@it.sun.ac.za>O, Subject: OpenVMS equiv of UNIX  pipe Command/ Message-ID: <9bh0ck$gp6$1@news.adamastor.ac.za>    Hi all,0  C Is there an equivalent in OpenVMS 7.2 for the UNIX 's PIPE command?N  0 Please help, even if it seems a stupid question.   Thanx   K T de Wet, University of Stellenbosch, South Africa (where do it the OpenVMSh way)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:24:31 GMTy= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)y0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS equiv of UNIX  pipe Command0 Message-ID: <009FAA8F.86A8F41D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <9bh0ck$gp6$1@news.adamastor.ac.za>, "Thys de Wet" <thys@it.sun.ac.za> writes:h >Hi all, > D >Is there an equivalent in OpenVMS 7.2 for the UNIX 's PIPE command? > 1 >Please help, even if it seems a stupid question.w >  >Thanx >tL >T de Wet, University of Stellenbosch, South Africa (where do it the OpenVMS >way)e >a >    $ HELP PIPEa   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            wO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:53:52 +0200t) From: "Pbo" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>l0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS equiv of UNIX  pipe Command$ Message-ID: <3adc3daf@news.euriware>   help PIPE from VMS 7.x Hope this help? "Thys de Wet" <thys@it.sun.ac.za> a crit dans le message news: $ 9bh0ck$gp6$1@news.adamastor.ac.za...	 > Hi all,s >eE > Is there an equivalent in OpenVMS 7.2 for the UNIX 's PIPE command?  >a2 > Please help, even if it seems a stupid question. >e > Thanxc >tE > T de Wet, University of Stellenbosch, South Africa (where do it thes OpenVMSN > way) >$ >.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:49:14 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Preventing spawns (was Re: TSM)2 Message-ID: <KJYC6.945$fB6.23725@news.cpqcorp.net>  v In article <084681714A1BD511970B0002A560015F4AA600@exchange01.govnet.gov.fj>, John Derrik <jbryson@itc.gov.fj> writes:  J :...I can't seem to remember how to delete the [SPAWN] command from TSM...  9   Short of patching (or rebuilding) the image, you can't.2  J   Use a CAPTIVE command procedure.  This locks out all but trusted spawns.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:38:39 GMTr4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie): Subject: Re: REQ: Pager software for Vax running VMS 6 + ?) Message-ID: <3qSC6.1584$%L5.27548@insync>i  / Michael Austin (maustin@nc.prestige.net) wrote:y :  :  : Gary Petersen wrote: :  : > Jason wrote: : >uD : > > Can't do it over the net for a few reasons.  Needs to be done 6 : > > through a physical modem attached to the system. : > >aI : > > Any pointers on something that will call and page a simple numeric   : > > pager? : >A& : > http://www.disworks.com/alpha.html : >uH : > This product pages from an Alpha over a modem.  Not sure if its what( : > you want but it sounds like a match. : >a : > Gary : J : Or,  most pager companies have internet email addresses for all of their	 : pagers.BB : Example:  mail to SMTP%"<phone number>.<pin number>@pagenet.com" : I : I have been doing this for several years (when I do production support  J : where the company supplies me with a pager.)  Currently I have a nation-L : wide alpha-numeric pager where I get paged several times a day from a job 0 : monitoring database locking conditions in Rdb. :   = Jason did say "Can't do it over the net for a few reasons".     A He probably faces a problem like one of our clients whose WAN is hC administered by the majority interest corporation, who won't allow  : outbound-only SMTP traffic, despite the low security risk.  G The client has asked us about using TCP/IP's PPPD to etablish a dial-up C link to an ISP for routing SMTP traffic from their pipeline control- systems.  B It does seem a little Dilbert-esque that such a dial-up connectionE could allow more severe security problems than allowing outbound-onlyu SMTP traffic for pagers.    / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.netD;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Apr 2001 15:23:20 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz): Subject: Re: REQ: Pager software for Vax running VMS 6 + ?5 Message-ID: <9bhn58$j2l$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>u   Jason wrote:I : Can't do it over the net for a few reasons.  Needs to be done through ae( : physical modem attached to the system. :rK : Any pointers on something that will call and page a simple numeric pager?y :a See:  ,   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html   - Frank-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:24:43 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>R: Subject: Re: REQ: Pager software for Vax running VMS 6 + ?* Message-ID: <3ADC603A.26F44008@virgin.net>   Gary Petersen wrote:   > Jason wrote: >tK > > Can't do it over the net for a few reasons.  Needs to be done through al* > > physical modem attached to the system. > >BM > > Any pointers on something that will call and page a simple numeric pager?0 >0$ > http://www.disworks.com/alpha.html >tF > This product pages from an Alpha over a modem.  Not sure if its what& > you want but it sounds like a match. >   D And the kermit distribution contains example scripts to call pagers.   >l > Gary   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:38:24 +0100r0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Silent Sun * Message-ID: <3ADC1D20.DDB38354@uk.sun.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > [ > In article <3AD5914F.BC596C25@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:i > >e > >e > > Paul Repacholi wrote:l > >S7 > >> andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:n > >>G > >> > Given Compaqs tendency to ignore OpenVMS completely do you thinkaI > >> > that they are refering to all their ftp services on all their OS's I > >> > in this response. Or are they as is generally the case refering toe
 > >> > Tru64.i > >>G > >> Andrew, get a clue. Even *IF* the VMS TCP v5 ftp server was totalysM > >> stuffed and rortable, all they would get is a very cripled user account.o > >> > >aH > > Good point, Paul, however I have seen privs granted to the anonymousO > > ftp account to fix access problems :-(. Not nice, but it happens. SometimesrF > > people have no time, knowledge or incentive to fix stuff properly. > E > If an individual manager decides on such a solution, one can hardlyr= > blame Compaq (or Sun, or whoever) unless they suggested it.f  8 Blame maybe not. But you would expect vendors to inform ; users of new exploits which alter the risks associated witht) setting up a service in a particular way.      Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:28:19 -0400 7 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@sasSPAMITUPTHEZZZ.com>i Subject: Re: Silent Sun 2 Message-ID: <7zXcOtQxug8MISFVF0fiGNRqqtKJ@4ax.com>  3 On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:38:24 +0100, andrew harrison ! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:    >Larry Kilgallen wrote:n >>  \ >> In article <3AD5914F.BC596C25@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: >> > >> > >> > Paul Repacholi wrote: >> >8 >> >> andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: >> >>.H >> >> > Given Compaqs tendency to ignore OpenVMS completely do you thinkJ >> >> > that they are refering to all their ftp services on all their OS'sJ >> >> > in this response. Or are they as is generally the case refering to >> >> > Tru64. >> >>-H >> >> Andrew, get a clue. Even *IF* the VMS TCP v5 ftp server was totalyN >> >> stuffed and rortable, all they would get is a very cripled user account. >> >>- >> >I >> > Good point, Paul, however I have seen privs granted to the anonymoustP >> > ftp account to fix access problems :-(. Not nice, but it happens. SometimesG >> > people have no time, knowledge or incentive to fix stuff properly.s >> IF >> If an individual manager decides on such a solution, one can hardly> >> blame Compaq (or Sun, or whoever) unless they suggested it. > 9 >Blame maybe not. But you would expect vendors to inform c< >users of new exploits which alter the risks associated with* >setting up a service in a particular way. >   < Setting up anonymous FTP with privileges on VMS would be the@ equivalent of setting anonymous FTP on Unix with the same UID as< root.  Anyone with even half a clue would not need a warning@ from a vendor to know not to do that, and if said system manager= did such a thing and rendered his system unusable, that's hist problem, not the vendor's.   David R. BeattyV   > 	 >Regards s >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 22:00:49 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Silent Sun - Message-ID: <87vgo3hbhq.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   2 andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  F > Blame maybe not. But you would expect vendors to inform users of newE > exploits which alter the risks associated with setting up a service  > in a particular way.   flick, flick, HELP, , ,a   Yes.   -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.2@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 17:44:05 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>t0 Subject: Re: Some really odd C tuning behavioursH Message-ID: <y4n19fedkq.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  L Sounds like you hit an optimizer misfeature. The aligned access is faster, IM presume due to use of the byte and word load instructions. In the case of theiN unaligned access, you likely get an exception, and the OS patches up for you. K That would explain the ~10 performance hit. Can you have a look whether the.J instructions generated are different or the same in the two cases (alignedJ vs unaligned)? The optimizer likely shouldn't use the load instructions in( cases it can't prove things are aligned.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:02:54 -0400e" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>0 Subject: Re: Some really odd C tuning behaviours: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010417115606.019e2e90@24.8.96.48>  3 At 05:44 PM 4/17/2001 +0200, Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:yM >Sounds like you hit an optimizer misfeature. The aligned access is faster, I4N >presume due to use of the byte and word load instructions. In the case of theN >unaligned access, you likely get an exception, and the OS patches up for you.L >That would explain the ~10 performance hit. Can you have a look whether theK >instructions generated are different or the same in the two cases (aligned/ >vs unaligned)?A  J The two cases use identical code, since all the computation and timing is K done inside a function. The only difference is the pointer I pass into the -H thing. The compiler doesn't have enough information from a plain static K analysis to tell that I'm doing evil things. (Well, not without a *lot* of x& analysis that probably isn't worth it)  < >The optimizer likely shouldn't use the load instructions in) >cases it can't prove things are aligned.n  H Well, I'm not sure I'd go that far. I did tell the compiler to generate L optimal code as best it can, and the default is /ASSUME=ALIGNED_OBJECTS, so L assuming things are aligned isn't unreasonable. I was just impressed by the / hit that was taken--it seemed rather excessive.o   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------t2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenr;                                       teddy bears get drunkn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:21:43 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>E Subject: RE: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of prin - Message-ID: <0033000021733554000002L042*@MHS>   H =0ATry www.bestbookbuys.com - it searches a number of new *and used* bo=
 oksellers.  C Or should I say establishments which deal in new and/or used books.    WWWebb > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ( > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:38 AMD > To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETH > Subject: RE: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of prin=   >- >- > Simon Clubley wrote:> > > According to Butterworth Heinemann (www.bh.com, the people
 > who took on < > > Digital Press) and local booksellers here in the UK, the > McCoy book is out.
 > > of print.y > : > Amazon and Blackwells claim to find out of print books - > or at least try. > 2 > Failing that, I've seen this one crop up on ebay > every now and then.a >l	 > Antoniog >D > -- >8 > ---------------6/ > Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgs >=   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:37:09 GMToA From: Simon Clubley<simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> B Subject: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of print3 Message-ID: <VNWC6.238$D4.16977@www.newsranger.com>W  J I am trying to find a copy of the ODS-2 specification, and yes, I am aware of the McCoy book. :-)  F According to Butterworth Heinemann (www.bh.com, the people who took onJ Digital Press) and local booksellers here in the UK, the McCoy book is out	 of print.l  L I have access to a copy of the book at work (I was trying to find a copy forH home), so before I take a photocopier to the overview section and EVE toK LIB.REQ for the detailed information, I was wondering if anybody had pulleduJ together this information into an on-line document. My main interest is in the on-disk structures.   G BTW, I have let Hoff know about the book so that he can update the FAQ.e   Thanks,    Simon.    ; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP J 'The statement that "it can never happen" is not an acceptable programmingH approach. You must assume it can happen and be in control when it does.'=           -- Ada 95 Quality and Style Guidelines, US DoD AJPOa   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:10:14 +0100m+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>bF Subject: Re: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of print' Message-ID: <3ADC4EC6.5806F96C@iee.org>d   Simon Clubley wrote:H > According to Butterworth Heinemann (www.bh.com, the people who took onL > Digital Press) and local booksellers here in the UK, the McCoy book is out > of print.a  8 Amazon and Blackwells claim to find out of print books - or at least try.  0 Failing that, I've seen this one crop up on ebay every now and then.c   Antonio    -- w   ---------------n- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orge   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 23:14:27 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>F Subject: Re: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of print- Message-ID: <87elurh830.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   C Simon Clubley<simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:o  F > I am trying to find a copy of the ODS-2 specification, and yes, I am > aware of the McCoy book. :-)  J There is an old copy on one of the 198x sig tapes. <thinks> Don't think it< has 39+39, real info on ACLs or the shadow/SCB stuff though.   No ODS-5, needless to add.   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:51:03 +0100y0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>5 Subject: Re: Star Office progress report (on Solaris)e* Message-ID: <3ADC03F7.B9A526D0@uk.sun.com>   Keith Brown wrote: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >d> > > > X-NEWS: eisner.encompasserve.org comp.sys.sun.apps: 2842 > > > Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!news.cas.org!not-for-mail > > > From: lvirden@cas.orgX# > > > Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps./ > > > Subject: Re: StarOffice dumps core grrrrrg# > > > Date: 7 Apr 2001 11:21:19 GMTW< > > > Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc. > > > Lines: 13V. > > > Message-ID: <9amt7f$iea$1@srv38.cas.org>2 > > > References: <986591324.599709@dns2.serv.net> > > > Reply-To: lvirden@cas.orgf) > > > NNTP-Posting-Host: lwv26awu.cas.orge > > > Mime-Version: 1.0 0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII% > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BITE1 > > > X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001)e1 > > > Originator: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)h< > > > Xref: dfw-artgen.news.verio.net comp.sys.sun.apps:2842 > > >3 > > >0 > > >mK > > > sounds similar to my experiences.  Given that the whole reason for meiO > > > attempting the install was to prove to my management that StarOffice, nowtM > > > owned by Sun, was a good choice for investment, and that I've tried for0L > > > 9 months now and still haven't gotten it to work (despite a variety ofM > > > suggestions from the great people in this newsgroup), I can see now why > > > > convincing a company to move to StarOffice is so hard... > > > -- > > > --@ > > > "See, he's not just anyone ... he's my son."  Mark SchultzK > > > <URL: mailto:lvirden@cas.org> <URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/>lH > > > Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting > J > I presume from your post that you are trying to run SO on Solaris. WhileF > I have no experience with Solaris I can say that I have been runningH > StarOffice on Linux for about a year and I am very pleased with it.  II > just wish someone would be kind enough to port it to OpenVMS for me :-)m >   B I also find it difficult to believe that you cannot get StarOfficeC to run on Solaris. I run 5.2 and 6 beta on Solaris for Sparc/Intel aA and win98. I havn't had problems running it on any of these OS's eB and it has been as reliable as the alternatives (Office) on win98.   Regardsr Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT Architect-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:32:49 -0400c# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>-5 Subject: Re: Star Office progress report (on Solaris)2+ Message-ID: <3ADC5411.A2CC27DB@hsc.vcu.edu>c  _ What's the holdup with Star Office on VMS???  isn't it the netscape rather than java, or what??    jim    Keith Brown wrote: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >P> > > > X-NEWS: eisner.encompasserve.org comp.sys.sun.apps: 2842 > > > Path: iad-read.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!news.cas.org!not-for-mail > > > From: lvirden@cas.org # > > > Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun.apps / > > > Subject: Re: StarOffice dumps core grrrrri# > > > Date: 7 Apr 2001 11:21:19 GMTy< > > > Organization: Nedriv Software and Shoe Shiners, Uninc. > > > Lines: 13r. > > > Message-ID: <9amt7f$iea$1@srv38.cas.org>2 > > > References: <986591324.599709@dns2.serv.net> > > > Reply-To: lvirden@cas.orgn) > > > NNTP-Posting-Host: lwv26awu.cas.orgp > > > Mime-Version: 1.0g0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII% > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BITm1 > > > X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test75 (Feb 13, 2001) 1 > > > Originator: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)t< > > > Xref: dfw-artgen.news.verio.net comp.sys.sun.apps:2842 > > >i > > >o > > >lK > > > sounds similar to my experiences.  Given that the whole reason for mewO > > > attempting the install was to prove to my management that StarOffice, nowlM > > > owned by Sun, was a good choice for investment, and that I've tried forIL > > > 9 months now and still haven't gotten it to work (despite a variety ofM > > > suggestions from the great people in this newsgroup), I can see now whyv> > > > convincing a company to move to StarOffice is so hard... > > > -- > > > --@ > > > "See, he's not just anyone ... he's my son."  Mark SchultzK > > > <URL: mailto:lvirden@cas.org> <URL: http://www.purl.org/NET/lvirden/> H > > > Even if explicitly stated to the contrary, nothing in this posting > J > I presume from your post that you are trying to run SO on Solaris. WhileF > I have no experience with Solaris I can say that I have been runningH > StarOffice on Linux for about a year and I am very pleased with it.  II > just wish someone would be kind enough to port it to OpenVMS for me :-)e >  > --
 > Keith Browne > kbrown780@isd.netw   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:34:33 +0100i  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com5 Subject: Re: Star Office progress report (on Solaris)pH Message-ID: <OF9AAEE275.4DCBF92D-ON80256A31.004FEA9F@qedi.quintiles.com>  + Wouldn't you like to re-phrase that Andrew??7 "As reliable" as Office on Win98 isn't that impressive.r* More reliable would be a different matter. Steve.   Andrew Harrison wrote: >>>NB I also find it difficult to believe that you cannot get StarOfficeB to run on Solaris. I run 5.2 and 6 beta on Solaris for Sparc/Intel@ and win98. I havn't had problems running it on any of these OS'sB and it has been as reliable as the alternatives (Office) on win98. <<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:49:13 +0100o0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>5 Subject: Re: Star Office progress report (on Solaris) * Message-ID: <3ADC65F9.F4B29691@uk.sun.com>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:. > - > Wouldn't you like to re-phrase that Andrew?D9 > "As reliable" as Office on Win98 isn't that impressive. , > More reliable would be a different matter. > Steve. >  > Andrew Harrison wrote: > >>> D > I also find it difficult to believe that you cannot get StarOfficeD > to run on Solaris. I run 5.2 and 6 beta on Solaris for Sparc/IntelB > and win98. I havn't had problems running it on any of these OS'sD > and it has been as reliable as the alternatives (Office) on win98.  1 Actually I find win98 to be OK. But only because e0 I only have Office, StarOffice and the Palm sync* and PIM SW loaded on it and nothing else.   / I discovered long ago that the more SW you loads0 on any MS OS the more unexplained errors you get0 followed by helpfull advice from your PC vendors  support desk to re-load the lot.  1 So the only SW I load from the bundle of SW I got / with my last machine is Office followed by Star + Office, I don't run games and I never load  / anything that comes for free stuck to the covere of a computer magazine.   / That said the current machine I have got was a  - nightmare to actually get going in the first  - place. Lots of stuff gratuitously turned off h. in the BIOS for example and a USB printer that- as never worked on my machine (thank god for i parallel ports).   Regards  Andrew Harrison- Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:44:47 +0100T/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>- Subject: Re: Status of EV77 Message-ID: <009FAABC.44AF1C3E.12@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>r   > F > They have chosen to ride with Rambus, so if they crash and burn in aA > legal mess (which is quite possible if Infineon can prove theiriG > allegations against Rambus) it could really make things difficult for>	 > Compaq.n >  > --J > Douglas Siebert                          dsiebert@excisethis.khamsin.net >    I don't follow this. l  ? There are legal disputes involving Rambus intellectual propertyv@ and whether it's worth any more than the paper it's written on. I If Rambus loses, then Rambus inc. goes tits up, because then anyone will  ; be able to use Rambus or Rambus-like designs without paying D Rambus a bean. If it wins, Rambus memory (and maybe all SDRAM) will E cost more because Rambus will demand and receive license payments fort many years to come.   N Whichever way it goes, there will be Rambus chips as long as there is a marketJ for them. The technology exists, the Dramurai are making and selling them,G and if Rambus does crash and burn, the chips will just become cheaper. y     	Yours,m
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   m  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:02:54 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>a@ Subject: Re: strange behaviour of DIRECTORY with long file names) Message-ID: <3ADC5B1E.4E386CE@virgin.net>I  a Wayne Sewell wrote:There is absolutely no problems with the backups themselves.  The problem withh  P > ODS-5 is the history files.  In the 5.2.x "files" file (.4r4), the entire fileQ > name, minus the top level directory but including all other directories and theeN > device name, is stored in the record.  The top level directory is implied by > the name of the .4r4 file. >    Wayne,  ] We've only very recently started backing up a system with an ODS-5 volume although we've usedcc TAPESYS for years. I've passed your comments on to my colleague Malcolm who's just set it up on our a Alpha cluster which has the ODS-5 volume. All of the misson critical volumes are ODS-2 so I doubtc4 that problems with history will cause us any impact.  2 Would certainly be interested in field testing V6.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:59:18 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comWL Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas are aD Message-ID: <OF2D50115C.E200A244-ON88256A31.005D2E17@foundation.com>  G Dave Turner. Doing what Compaq should be doing. Again. A quick round of:& applause, please ladies and gentlemen.   Hey, Compaq! Wakey Wakey!!!o   Shanen          @ "islandco.com" <dbturner@islandco.com> on 04/16/2001 08:57:24 PM  8 Please respond to "islandco.com" <dbturner@islandco.com>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. cc:h  K Subject:  Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas aree       ay      K Well... I'll have to see, but we could LOAN a DS20 Dual CPU system or say a 1 AS800, Alpha PWS600 XP1000 or something like that   I No charge for the loan but of course we would need the system back intact    DT David Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street- Savannah GA 31404- Tel: 912 447 6622u Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message$ news:3ADB56F4.41380086@virgin.net... |5 |2 | "Stuart, Ed" wrote:e |0J | > We'd like an Alpha for the LUG also.  However, like Terry wrote in the otheryI | > thread on this topic, the door prize is being paid for with LUG fundsd and asJ | > donation from a local VAR and I don't think we have enough cash for an | > AlphaServer. | >e |p% | Hmm, maybe Island could donate one?T | . | > "Glittering prizes and endless compromises2 | > shatter the illusion of integrity" - Neil Pert |f | Err, that's Neil Peart.o | -- | Alan Greig |n |g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:23:08 -0500i@ From: Brenda Westergren Deimerly <bmwester@collins.rockwell.com>% Subject: TCPIP v5.0A MAP command hange4 Message-ID: <3ADC6DEC.B22CBD03@collins.rockwell.com>  H We are having a problem with the MAP command using on an OpenVMS cluster running TCPIP:B     OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 1 running OpenVMS V7.1-2 and2     OpenVMS VAX Version V5.0A running OpenVMS V7.1  E The ECO 1 was put on the Alpha in the hopes it might fix the problem.i It did not.t  F Most of the cluster has been up for 23 or 78 days.  On these nodes theD SHOW MAP command hangs on /disk2 and /disk8, but not for our other 8E maps.  Most importantly, NFS IS WORKING to /disk2 and /disk8 on these	 nodes.  C We have three nodes that have been rebooted in the past week or so.-C TCP/IP did not finish coming up on these nodes, because the startup @ procedure just hung at the GENERATE MAP command.  We are able toC manually map all of our disks except for /disk2 and /disk8 on these-C three nodes.  Any attempt to try to map /disk2 and /disk8, however,EE results in a hang of our process.  We can get out of it with a ctrl-Ct (but not a ctrl-Z).p  D The SET CONFIG MAP and SET CONFIG NOMAP commands both work fine.  WeF only seem to be having problems with dynamic MAP and SHOW MAP commandsE for these two disks.  Mapping /temp to User_disk2: does not work, but . mapping /disk2 to a different disk works fine.  H I was hoping that someone reading this newsgroup could give us a hint asB to what might be causing this hang.  Does anyone know what the MAP" command does, besides the obvious?  F One more odd thing, on the VAX, if I attempt to add a map to /disk2 orE /disk8, press Ctrl-C, and then do an EXIT (from the TCPIP prompt), it 6 actually terminates my process.  The error message is:;     %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process BMWESTER_1 ?     %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualr+ address=0000000C, PC=0000000C, PSL=7FFECC61 ) We do not have this problem on the Alpha.h  < We have a call entered with Compaq.  I believe the number is@ C010416-588.  We were told it was being escalated to Engineering# yesterday, but have not heard back.1   Thank you for your time, Brenda Westergrene Rockwell Collins   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 08:20:28 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)@5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?h3 Message-ID: <I64ne85v0Qul@eisner.encompasserve.org>C  H In article <3ADBD77B.2F6E3CE6@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > P > In The Netherlands it is required for the whole house to be protected by theseT > switches. In my own home for instance I have in my switchbox 7 groups protected byR > 16A automatic switches. They will break the power by overload, or  when there is= > more than 30mA difference between the hot wire and neutral.h  E According to an electrician I know, these things tend not to last toonH long when electric motors are powered through them.  Do the units in the2 Netherlands need to be replaced from time to time?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyings   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 09:14:19 -05003 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)i5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?c3 Message-ID: <lix8PF$y8OVv@eisner.encompasserve.org>8  ; In article <3AD88492.C075B9D1@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"w <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > Dirk Munk wrote:	 >> [snip]sF >> For security reasons the switch boxes in the house are also equipedF >> with "earth leakage switches" (don't know what the English verb forE >> such a switch is). It measures the difference between the incomingoD >> current over the phase, and the outgoing current over neutral. AsG >> soon as a difference of more than 30 mA is detected, (thus a current G >> of more than 30 mA is leaking to ground somewhere), the group or the  >> whole power is switched off.   > See the chart at http://www.elec-toolbox.com/Safety/safety.htm  > 30 mA can still easily be fatal, or cause very serious injury.  G It may very well be prudent to have more sensitive protection closer tofG the outlets.  They are not very expensive, less than $10.00 U.S.D for a 3 unit that is rated to protect 6 additional outlets.n  B Is everyone up to date on their CPR training?  Courses are usually, cheap, if not free or provided by employers.  8 > We call that a GFCI - Ground Fault Current Interruptor >5I > ...IMO, something of a misnomer in some cases because the GFCI breakers F > I installed this past season have no connection to the earth ground,B > only the "hot" and "neutral" wires. Maybe "neutral fault current) > interruptor" would be more appropriate.a  % Any current to the ground is a fault.a  G > ...or is it simply assumed that something other than the neutral wireuJ > is providing a path to (ground?), therefore a "'ground' fault" condition	 > exists?e  G The GFCI only monitors current on the "hot" and "neutral".  If they areeH not the same, a fault condition is detected.  I understand the threshold in the U.S. is about 5 mA.  K Are you refering to GFCI breakers in a Circuit panel or the more local GFCI! protected outlets?  D A ground connection is needed by the local GFCI devices for the TEST button to work.c  H A grounded surface near a hot source minimized the chance that a currentE will go through the heart, even if it could be real bad for the limbse that are near by.e    C For those of you who have not had formal training with using higher E than 20A house hold currents, and are toying with the idea of gettingr their own 3-phase toys:.  ? The symptom of "infant mortality" for a new breaker can be that-H it explodes with the force of a hand grenade.  Professional ElectriciansB really do use "10 foot poles" to touch these under load, and stand- to the side, out of the potential blast zone.2     -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:18:17 +0100l+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>e5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?t& Message-ID: <3ADC50A9.E4E4AC5@iee.org>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:gA > The symptom of "infant mortality" for a new breaker can be thatgJ > it explodes with the force of a hand grenade.  Professional ElectriciansD > really do use "10 foot poles" to touch these under load, and stand/ > to the side, out of the potential blast zone.h  2 I didn't watch while our 3-phase 200A (600A total,/ just to be clear) was installed. However, therec0 have been no warnings issued about using 10 foot' poles on the master breaker and I don'to+ recall the electricians mentioning any such  thing.  / Now the breakers for the University engineeringr, dept. building were much more impressive ...2 as were the bus bars that were installed (or maybe/ just undergoing maintenance) while I was there.r. I'm told that to turn the breaker on you first- had to "pump it up" via another handle/switcho2 otherwise you could not budge it (I have no reason1 to doubt them ... but they never let me try :-) )n     Antonio      -- n   ---------------l- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:31:13 GMT- From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?e' Message-ID: <3ADC6FCF.18CDA840@home.nl>e   Bob Koehler wrote:  J > In article <3ADBD77B.2F6E3CE6@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > > R > > In The Netherlands it is required for the whole house to be protected by theseV > > switches. In my own home for instance I have in my switchbox 7 groups protected byT > > 16A automatic switches. They will break the power by overload, or  when there is? > > more than 30mA difference between the hot wire and neutral.s >cG > According to an electrician I know, these things tend not to last too.J > long when electric motors are powered through them.  Do the units in the4 > Netherlands need to be replaced from time to time?  U No, I don't think so. They can only be replaced by a electrician, because you have toSU remove the main fuse(s) from the sealed main fusebox first. But in a normal household V there are not that many electric motors. I can only think of washing machines, dryers,V dishwashers, vacuum cleaners etc. It may well be that these automatic switches are notW used in industrial environments, because of the bigger power surges when a big electric.X motor starts. Normal fuses in a house are medium fast (= max 50% overload), and for some5 electric motors they use slow (=100% overload) fuses.i           >  > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation ? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouptG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:42:18 GMTl From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?i' Message-ID: <3ADC7209.62090772@home.nl>    "John E. Malmberg" wrote:.  = > In article <3AD88492.C075B9D1@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"g! > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:r > > Dirk Munk wrote: > >> [snip]aH > >> For security reasons the switch boxes in the house are also equipedH > >> with "earth leakage switches" (don't know what the English verb forG > >> such a switch is). It measures the difference between the incomingoF > >> current over the phase, and the outgoing current over neutral. AsI > >> soon as a difference of more than 30 mA is detected, (thus a currentwI > >> of more than 30 mA is leaking to ground somewhere), the group or the ! > >> whole power is switched off.v >r@ > See the chart at http://www.elec-toolbox.com/Safety/safety.htm >r@ > 30 mA can still easily be fatal, or cause very serious injury.  N I suppose 30mA is a compromise. It is not so long ago that there was a specialK washing machine group that was not protected by a GFCI, because the machineeI leaked to much current..... Sometimes a special 100 mA GFCI was installedi instead.       >  > I > It may very well be prudent to have more sensitive protection closer totI > the outlets.  They are not very expensive, less than $10.00 U.S.D for at5 > unit that is rated to protect 6 additional outlets.i >.D > Is everyone up to date on their CPR training?  Courses are usually. > cheap, if not free or provided by employers. >u: > > We call that a GFCI - Ground Fault Current Interruptor > > K > > ...IMO, something of a misnomer in some cases because the GFCI breakersoH > > I installed this past season have no connection to the earth ground,D > > only the "hot" and "neutral" wires. Maybe "neutral fault current+ > > interruptor" would be more appropriate.r >o' > Any current to the ground is a fault.u >tI > > ...or is it simply assumed that something other than the neutral wiredL > > is providing a path to (ground?), therefore a "'ground' fault" condition > > exists?  >sI > The GFCI only monitors current on the "hot" and "neutral".  If they are.J > not the same, a fault condition is detected.  I understand the threshold > in the U.S. is about 5 mA. > M > Are you refering to GFCI breakers in a Circuit panel or the more local GFCIW > protected outlets? >tF > A ground connection is needed by the local GFCI devices for the TEST > button to work.r >eJ > A grounded surface near a hot source minimized the chance that a currentG > will go through the heart, even if it could be real bad for the limbsa > that are near by.  >nE > For those of you who have not had formal training with using higher G > than 20A house hold currents, and are toying with the idea of gettingl > their own 3-phase toys:  >cA > The symptom of "infant mortality" for a new breaker can be that J > it explodes with the force of a hand grenade.  Professional ElectriciansD > really do use "10 foot poles" to touch these under load, and stand/ > to the side, out of the potential blast zone.  >  > -John4 > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 15:03:06 +0100@  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?dH Message-ID: <OF90318AF9.349CCC17-ON80256A31.004CDD64@qedi.quintiles.com>  G In England, such devices used to be called ELCBs (Earth Leakage CircuitoE Breaker) in the UK but they are more commonly termed Residual Currenti Devices or RCDs. Steve.   Dirk Munk wrote:K >>>For security reasons the switch boxes in the house are also equiped withtE "earth leakage switches" (don't know what the English noun for such af switchE is). It measures the difference between the incoming current over thel phase,K and the outgoing current over neutral. As soon as a difference of more thanm 30G mA is detected, (thus a current of more than 30 mA is leaking to grounda< somewhere), the group or the whole power is switched off.<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:09:20 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com) Subject: VAX Models : How to be specific?nH Message-ID: <OFBC9215AB.21DEE12A-ON80256A31.003CB9DA@qedi.quintiles.com>  G Some of the people in this newsgroup comment (justifiably) on occasions F about how it is necessary to be specific on model numbers for systems,' whether they be VAX, Alpha or whatever.   J It's interesting then that Compaq Remarketing should send me a flyer which% I received in the post today saying :iF "Our range of products is totally committed to choice, even the oldestK technology is supported until such a time as you wish to migrate to anotherwK Compaq platform.  Compaq Remarketing supports the entire VAX platform, fromeJ the VAX 4000 to the 7800, the full MicroVAX range from the 3120 through to7 the 3198, including all memory, CPU and other options."d  G I would presume that they mean MicroVAX 3100 model 98 and MicroVAX 3100 	 model 20?   K (It's also a nice bit of trivia that they've got three VAX 7000 cabinets inuJ a picture inside the flyer where the image has been reversed.  The consoleF port is on the left had side of the cabinet and the writing is back to front!)e   Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:42:38 -0400y- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e- Subject: Re: VAX Models : How to be specific?e, Message-ID: <3ADC3A3D.9E7CD6CB@videotron.ca>  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:mM > (It's also a nice bit of trivia that they've got three VAX 7000 cabinets in L > a picture inside the flyer where the image has been reversed.  The consoleH > port is on the left had side of the cabinet and the writing is back to	 > front!)k    I Won't beat the ad Digital had showing a VT320 with colour graphics on the! screen !!!!   G (Or the current American Airlines TV ad that shows the swinging 737: AA M doesn't have that type of 737 in its fleet, and inside, the layout is that ofb a DC-9 (3-2 instead of 3-3)).e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:56:45 -0400 * From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>- Subject: Re: VAX Models : How to be specific?A9 Message-ID: <XYXC6.161764$lj4.4830996@news6.giganews.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3ADC3A3D.9E7CD6CB@videotron.ca...# > steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:aL > > (It's also a nice bit of trivia that they've got three VAX 7000 cabinets inF > > a picture inside the flyer where the image has been reversed.  The console.J > > port is on the left had side of the cabinet and the writing is back to > > front!)l >  >rK > Won't beat the ad Digital had showing a VT320 with colour graphics on thed
 > screen !!!!u  I How about a 1997 Netscape ad that shows a VT241 (I think that's the modelcD with the color monitor) with the Netscape logo displayed on it on anA "executive's" desk ? Might even be a WPS keyboard attached to it.h   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 10:10:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-- Subject: Re: VAX Models : How to be specific? , Message-ID: <3ADC4ED9.DF71D857@videotron.ca>   Andy Stoffel wrote:jK > How about a 1997 Netscape ad that shows a VT241 (I think that's the modelcF > with the color monitor) with the Netscape logo displayed on it on anC > "executive's" desk ? Might even be a WPS keyboard attached to it.   K Perhaps Netscape has a HTML-to-REGIS converter that it kept secret all this1
 time ?????   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Apr 2001 17:38:32 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>d$ Subject: Re: VMS-Related: AffordableH Message-ID: <y4puebedtz.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ) "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:   M > > But then you're not using the calls provided by the C RTL, but the systemd > > call directly.> ( > So will a 'raw' device access on Unix.  M That's the equivalent of a logical/physical I/O under VMS. On a disk, you can > still do a $QIO or block-mode RMS I/O on a file (virtual I/O).  N > MSVC++'s fread interface description indicates that you provide it a pointerI > to where you want the data, which means that if indeed the C RTL simplyEN > passes the pointer down through the system interface (e.g., to ReadFile in aI > Win32 environment), the system deblocks whatever you requested from its.K > internal block-structured buffer and moves it directly to your buffer - ar > single copy operation.  K Which leaves you, still, with one kernel-to-user-memory copy operation. But M you do get the deblocking. OTOH, you can't do block-aligned I/O with the dataeJ being deposited directly in the user-mode buffer, as $QIO will do for you.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 13:51:46 GMTi3 From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.removespam>e/ Subject: Re: Web-based change VMS password toolo/ Message-ID: <STXC6.26890$PF4.44352@news.iol.ie>o  9 Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net> wrote in message0) news:3ADB6BD0.7DD1D7CF@nc.prestige.net...eJ > Does anyone have a tool that would allow a user to change a VMS passwordH > via a WEB interface that they would like to share?  Web server doesn'tF > matter, I can modify it to use the webserver of choice for different
 > clients.  # ftp://picard.eurokom.ie/setpass.zip-  F works with OSU.  It includes calls to the security system to check for breakin attempts etc.u  L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --A Tom Wade    | EMail: T.Wade@vms.eurokom.ie  (all domain mailers).iG EuroKom     | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;a=eirmail400;c=ieo& 30, Dale Rd | Tel:   +353 (1) 278-7878& Stillorgan  | Fax:   +353 (1) 278-78793 Co Dublin   | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimer6@ Ireland     | Tip:         "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 16:16:15 +0100h% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> > Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)* Message-ID: <3ADC5E3F.D56E0DD9@virgin.net>   JF Mezei wrote:t   > Paul Sture wrote: Q > > 80% of the profit! We always knew it was a healthy chunk, but I for one never $ > > thought it was such a large one. >rM > Remember that this "80%" is really the industry standard servers (aka: 8086 P > based enterprise servers) with VMS and Unix helping. It does not mean that 80%4 > of Compaq's profits are generated by VMS and Unix.  R In this case though I think it very nearly does mean this. Somewhere on the CompaqQ site there's a slide showing income per O/S. VMS is still at $4billion, Tru-64 ateR $3 Billion, ISSG at $7 billion. The (suspected) margins on VMS alone would seem toR suggest that 80% of Compaq's recent profits come from VMS alone - never mind Unix.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.215 ************************