1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 19 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 219       Contents:, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed( 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed8 48V power. Was: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen? Another hint for The Q. ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! RE: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)  Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN" RE: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN" Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN" Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN" Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN" Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN" Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN" Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN" Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN Re: Ethernet PCI board Re: Ethernet PCI board FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?" Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?9 How can I increase the size of memory to a queue printer? = Re: How can I increase the size of memory to a queue printer? % Listing all the mailboxes on a system   MAIL$SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE ("From")$ Re: MAIL$SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE ("From") Missing 000000.dir Re: Missing 000000.dir Re: Missing 000000.dir8 MOD_SSL.EXE_ALPHA is missing in CSWS V1.0-1 distribution< Re: MOD_SSL.EXE_ALPHA is missing in CSWS V1.0-1 distribution7 Re: OpenVMS ALPHA V7.2-2 That Includes Fix To DCL.EXE ? / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! 1 Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China. 1 Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China. 1 Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China. 1 Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China. 1 Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China. 1 Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China. 1 Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China. 1 Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.  Printer recommendations  Re: Printer recommendations  reduced system prices !!!! software ethernet sniffer ! Re: Standalone Backup and restore ! Re: Standalone Backup and restore - RE: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area , Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?$ Re: VAX Models : How to be specific? Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS  Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS  Re: VMS friendly website??? 3 Way off topic... (was Re: Why is this a Bad Thing?) 5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.) 5 Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.) , [BUG?] FREEWARE CD MENU: license expired :-(0 Re: [BUG?] FREEWARE CD MENU: license expired :-(0 Re: [BUG?] FREEWARE CD MENU: license expired :-(. [BUG] wrong APACHE file location after install1 [DOC UPDATE] TCP/IP FTP error doc with UCX string  [Q] Free VMS WEB Server  Re: [Q] Free VMS WEB Server  Re: [Q] Free VMS WEB Server   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:51:43 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed ' Message-ID: <3ADE7CEE.42FE3B79@home.nl>    Terry C Shannon wrote:  I > During Day One of the DFWDAYS meeting here in scenic Dallas Fort Worth, G > the IBM-fabbed 1GHz Alpha EV68 microprocessor was revealed to all and L > sundry. Since not everyone could attend DFWDAYS, candid photos of the chipD > (in both pristine and de-lidded condition) may be viewed at formerA > Register reporter Mike Magee's new site at www.theinquirer.net.  > > > The chip in question was extracted from an AlphaServer GS320E > system. Benchmarks on the system are underway right now, and Compaq > > has plenty of the 1GHz (and, for that matter, faster) parts.  N It is nice to have them in stock, but are they aware that customers would like to have them too ?     > Charlie Matco I > informs me that the 1GHz WildFire upgrade will be announced next month.  >  > terry shannon    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:22:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed , Message-ID: <3ADE8422.9F73EFE7@videotron.ca>   Dirk Munk wrote:P > It is nice to have them in stock, but are they aware that customers would like > to have them too ?  N Of course. But Compaq knows that the longer it keeps the chip hidden with justN some sneak peeks to make customers salivate, the more desperate customers willN be. The more desperate they are, the more of a premium they will be willing to pay to have that 1gz alpha.   L The only problem with this is that by the time Compaq finally makes the chipM commercially available, Intel will have a 2ghz 8086 available :-) :-) :-) :-)  :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 19:22:23 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed - Message-ID: <87r8yp8780.fsf@prep.synonet.com>     Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  @ > > The chip in question was extracted from an AlphaServer GS320@ > > system. Benchmarks on the system are underway right now, and@ > > Compaq has plenty of the 1GHz (and, for that matter, faster)
 > > parts.  E > It is nice to have them in stock, but are they aware that customers  > would like to have them too ?   A This is part of the DEC compaction. You remember, 'Digital has it  now.'   & And still, the rest of you can go ....  F Terry, do my eyes, or the photos, decieve me, or is the heatsink mount& slug now the full size of the package?  C For those who have not noticed, Intel have suspended their new fab, E so that leaves only IBM and TSMC with .13u fabs (does AMD have a .13u  line in production?).    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:22:54 +0200 $ From: Michael Unger <unger@decus.de>1 Subject: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed * Message-ID: <009FAC64.AFA1769B.1@decus.de>  7 > Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed  >   G > > It is nice to have them in stock, but are they aware that customers ! > > would like to have them too ?  >   C > This is part of the DEC compaction. You remember, 'Digital has it  > now.'    ;-)   D Are there problems with support circuits outside the processor to be pushed up to 1 GHz and above?   E > For those who have not noticed, Intel have suspended their new fab, G > so that leaves only IBM and TSMC with .13u fabs (does AMD have a .13u  > line in production?).   & Does anybody know the reason for this?   Michael    ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 08:32:09 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed 3 Message-ID: <5RRkFRazwVih@eisner.encompasserve.org>   H In article <3ADE7CEE.42FE3B79@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: >  >  > Terry C Shannon wrote: > J >> During Day One of the DFWDAYS meeting here in scenic Dallas Fort Worth,H >> the IBM-fabbed 1GHz Alpha EV68 microprocessor was revealed to all andM >> sundry. Since not everyone could attend DFWDAYS, candid photos of the chip E >> (in both pristine and de-lidded condition) may be viewed at former B >> Register reporter Mike Magee's new site at www.theinquirer.net. >>? >> The chip in question was extracted from an AlphaServer GS320 F >> system. Benchmarks on the system are underway right now, and Compaq? >> has plenty of the 1GHz (and, for that matter, faster) parts.  > P > It is nice to have them in stock, but are they aware that customers would like > to have them too ?  E Certain weird segments of the customer base have indicated they would C rather have products they buy fully tested.  This is not the market  segment of "overclockers".    N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:08:20 GMT - From: Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> 5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed D Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.21.0104190907280.18335-100000@world.std.com>  $ On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, JF Mezei wrote:   > Dirk Munk wrote:R > > It is nice to have them in stock, but are they aware that customers would like > > to have them too ? > P > Of course. But Compaq knows that the longer it keeps the chip hidden with justP > some sneak peeks to make customers salivate, the more desperate customers willP > be. The more desperate they are, the more of a premium they will be willing to > pay to have that 1gz alpha.  > N > The only problem with this is that by the time Compaq finally makes the chipO > commercially available, Intel will have a 2ghz 8086 available :-) :-) :-) :-)   > That's oh so true. And it's evil Bob Palmer's fault, no doubt.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:21:33 GMT / From: "H.W. Stockman" <stockman3@earthlink.net> 5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed E Message-ID: <hgED6.13486$2S6.122077@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>   F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:5RRkFRazwVih@eisner.encompasserve.org... J > In article <3ADE7CEE.42FE3B79@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:G > Certain weird segments of the customer base have indicated they would E > rather have products they buy fully tested.  This is not the market  > segment of "overclockers".  * What market segment buys Sun workstations?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:05:21 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed D Message-ID: <OF8EDA2BF4.3C22F4E7-ON88256A33.005DD753@foundation.com>  4 Unlike VMS workstations, any segment that wants to.,   Shane           C "H.W. Stockman" <stockman3@earthlink.net> on 04/19/2001 09:21:33 AM   ; Please respond to "H.W. Stockman" <stockman3@earthlink.net>    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   6 Subject:  Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed      F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:5RRkFRazwVih@eisner.encompasserve.org... J > In article <3ADE7CEE.42FE3B79@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:G > Certain weird segments of the customer base have indicated they would E > rather have products they buy fully tested.  This is not the market  > segment of "overclockers".  * What market segment buys Sun workstations?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:55:44 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed ' Message-ID: <3ADF2676.56CA670D@home.nl>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:  J > In article <3ADE7CEE.42FE3B79@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > >  > >  > > Terry C Shannon wrote: > > L > >> During Day One of the DFWDAYS meeting here in scenic Dallas Fort Worth,J > >> the IBM-fabbed 1GHz Alpha EV68 microprocessor was revealed to all andO > >> sundry. Since not everyone could attend DFWDAYS, candid photos of the chip G > >> (in both pristine and de-lidded condition) may be viewed at former D > >> Register reporter Mike Magee's new site at www.theinquirer.net. > >>A > >> The chip in question was extracted from an AlphaServer GS320 H > >> system. Benchmarks on the system are underway right now, and CompaqA > >> has plenty of the 1GHz (and, for that matter, faster) parts.  > > R > > It is nice to have them in stock, but are they aware that customers would like > > to have them too ? > G > Certain weird segments of the customer base have indicated they would E > rather have products they buy fully tested.  This is not the market  > segment of "overclockers".  O We know that 1.6 GHz alpha's already were in existence more than a year ago. So P producing a reliable 1 GHz system should be possible by know. AFAIK the 1.01 GHz+ ES45 should be out in a few weeks from now.        >  > P > ==============================================================================P > Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersP > ==============================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 19:13:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>A Subject: 48V power. Was: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen? 0 Message-ID: <87vgo187mb.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  - "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:   F > I'd be surprised if there was not a -48Vdc variant too.  Many telcosF > (for example) appeared to have standardised on that so many computerD > vendors shipped kit to fit.  I *believe* I have seen references to> > VAX 6000 and VAX 7000 boxes for such environments and I haveD > definitely been in one shop where they had a bunch of Alphaservers? > (1000s I think, certainly nthing too big) running off -48Vdc.    A bit of history.   E Back in 85 or so, the Kookaburra syndicate for defending the olde Mug D had a 750 on shore, and a uV-II on the boats, running DECnet. Now 12@ metres tend to be a bit light on with powerpoints (and any otherE creature comfort), so there was this small detail of powering it. CSS F did a 48v PS for the BA23, and that was jumped on by CSS Canada (think: thats the order), who then built loads of them for telcos.  E BTW, a dark secret, is that when AII crossed the line in 83, it had a D PDP-11 below deck, not the DG. They borrowed the South Aust machines@ for the race. *That's* why you never saw any DG ads post 83 cup.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 09:50:06 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>  Subject: Another hint for The Q.6 Message-ID: <20010419095006.27371.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  ( Sun Cuts prices of UltraSPARC II servers     By: John Leyden.  1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/18360.html    *  *  *  ..I Additionally, the prices of Capacity On Demand (COD) Sun Enterprise 10000 E systems and Right-to-Use licenses were reduced by up to 28 per cent.   .. *  *  *   B Is anyone paying attention? Notice the price slash on *licensing*?     Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOt4ccsriC3SGiziTAQHtswgAqjgIEGpNdEOYs5Ey724QTRu/NIEwj3Va@ 3PoNDUZB2tA1OHRSF86mr2MHsA0kfSTvhnFil9nzDoh+C+jF5oj3V5aeUNDRf5EO@ PhTPPdpLnOSLbnXOd9xq08fFLqTFzyeIp7PP18eZVWv/mfos92JWI9q7cxSj7BlE@ pj2ZVTTRf9eH5aYtC7Hgdl1Y2mk7a7/Ez+yYqNbYtUz9acYGtW698bWuR4PE3BKq@ YxHiO0kgn0/gUoPxAiT760rsRo7TjaIoqXLDI1VM2SjIQ7f6qRPHgGF8QsgonxpA8 B2BA9H6T1NKMEB7at2h5vGN/TG/toHRDlZo/5KnH73kGp6jHJno6VQ== =ZSfW  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:09:27 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>* Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)6 Message-ID: <200104190605.IAA08762@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Arne wrotes:   >>> 9 Real work-stations is Unix or NT today. VMS work-stations : are usually development/test/management systems related to bigger VMS systems.  <<<   L I can't believe that. Should we the last one who needs OpenVMS workstations?G We are an institute for image understanding and pattern recognition andnJ do need powerfull workstations, such as XP1000 as single user workstation,K over DS20 to ES40 as a workstation for imagesequence computing (hundreds of K GBs). If Compaq would no longer produce a OpenVMS workstation, OpenVMS will  die!!!!    Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:18:55 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> * Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)8 Message-ID: <np7tdtgrlfoqgssr3j6u9j9ieo5fg3tpk9@4ax.com>  D On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:28:16 +0100, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> wrote:   >"Main, Kerry" wrote:= >= >> More info - >>3 >> http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/010417/datu005b.html- >-G >Quote: "The new Compaq workstations will deliver almost 1000 times then >processing power and use  >less power to boot."h  C Might use less power to boot but how much when it's actually up and2 running :-)0    A >I find it interesting that there appears to be a new measure for , >systems, namely using "less power to boot".- >How long before Sun cottons on to that one ?  >o >v	 >P.s. :-)? > 
 >Roy Omond >Blue Bubble Ltd.    -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 08:41:34 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i* Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)3 Message-ID: <1L01q$eAaGrz@eisner.encompasserve.org>v  K In article <3ADD8861.15AEE508@Omond.net>, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:  > B > I find it interesting that there appears to be a new measure for- > systems, namely using "less power to boot".o. > How long before Sun cottons on to that one ?  I My systems already use less power to shutdown, does that quailify them as  advanced?  8-)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationd= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupuE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:40:25 +0200w= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>c* Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)) Message-ID: <3ADEF8D9.AD6C300E@gtech.com>    Rudolf Wingert wrote:e > Arne wrotes:< >> Real work-stations is Unix or NT today. VMS work-stations= >> are usually development/test/management systems related to. >> bigger VMS systems.  N > I can't believe that. Should we the last one who needs OpenVMS workstations?I > We are an institute for image understanding and pattern recognition andgL > do need powerfull workstations, such as XP1000 as single user workstation,M > over DS20 to ES40 as a workstation for imagesequence computing (hundreds of3M > GBs). If Compaq would no longer produce a OpenVMS workstation, OpenVMS willp	 > die!!!!i  F I 100% agree that VMS should continue to have work-sttaions. I am justD saying that the number of VMS work-stations sold to sites where theyH have only work-stations are very very small. VMS work-stations are todayC usually sold to sites where they hav emany bigger systems. And thiseA is actually the key in the argument for VMS work-stations. CompaqtC may not make that much money on the VS10's and XP1000 with VMS, butsF they may loose huge sales of GS'es and ES'es, if the work-stations are@ not there. They need a complete array of different size systems.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:58:52 -0500 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>A* Subject: RE: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)R Message-ID: <DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180B2AE9@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Rudolf -  > Here is a vendor solution that is based on OpenVMS Alpha WS's.   http://www.genetek.com/r  > Their solution makes extensive use of Alpha's FP capabilities.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant> Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660e Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message------ From: Rudolf Wingert [mailto:win@fom.fgan.de]h Sent: April 19, 2001 2:09 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com * Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)     Hello,   Arne wrotes:   >>>e9 Real work-stations is Unix or NT today. VMS work-stationso: are usually development/test/management systems related to bigger VMS systems.e <<<   L I can't believe that. Should we the last one who needs OpenVMS workstations?G We are an institute for image understanding and pattern recognition andrJ do need powerfull workstations, such as XP1000 as single user workstation,K over DS20 to ES40 as a workstation for imagesequence computing (hundreds ofnK GBs). If Compaq would no longer produce a OpenVMS workstation, OpenVMS will  die!!!!=   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:34:37 -0400r% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>s* Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)" Message-ID: <3adf2209@news.si.com>  G >Quote: "The new Compaq workstations will deliver almost 1000 times the9 >processing power and usep >less power to boot."e  L In this quote, "to boot" doesn't mean "to start the computer".  It means "inJ addition", as in "he eat three slices of apple pie and ice cream to boot!" --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comaA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventi< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:57:05 +0100t. From: 'o-Dzin Tridral <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk>' Subject: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTNr- Message-ID: <3ADEA7EE.7254.A6553F8@localhost>   	 Dear All,   > We have recently acquired an HP Laserjet 4100DTN which can do F interesting and possibly useful things like duplexing and 'number up' 	 printing.h  ; From the PC, these functions are available via the printer ,C properties.  I'd like to know what is the best way of driving this h printer from VMS.h  D As an experiment I've created files with PCL escape sequences which D change the characteristics of the print job.  Is there a better way 
 than this?  F Failing that, does anyone have a library of PCL escape sequences that 
 I can access.c   thank you for your help.  	 '=F6-Dzinc -- 'o-Dzin Tridral5E Senior Computer Officer, UIS, Cardiff University, PO Box 78, CF10 3XL ' T +44 29 2087 6160  E TridralO@cf.ac.uka) F +44 29 2087 4531  W http://www.cf.ac.uk.= Producing code from specifications is like walking on water -6) it's easier if it's frozen -- Barry Boehms   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:08:26 +010058 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>+ Subject: RE: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTNIN Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240010BEF3A@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  L My solution to this problem is to send output to the printer via the PC (NT)B server using LPR/LPD with queues defined on the PC server with theI characteristics required e.g. 1-up, 2-up, 4-up. I've found, however, thateJ some characteristics for some printers have to be set using a PCL preambleH which has to be prepended to the file to be printed: to achieve this theH particular user print command is actually a procedure which prepends the; necessary PCL and then sends the single file to the server.B  G I know there are other ways of achieving the same goal but because most0I printers these days can be fully controlled from a windows PC we use thisa& scheme for both VMS and UNIX printing.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)D   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:53:15 +0200>' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>y+ Subject: Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN/* Message-ID: <3ADEDFBB.4477F71C@iaf.fhg.de>   'o-Dzin Tridral wrote: >  > Dear All,  > ? > We have recently acquired an HP Laserjet 4100DTN which can dotG > interesting and possibly useful things like duplexing and 'number up'9 > printing.u > < > From the PC, these functions are available via the printerD > properties.  I'd like to know what is the best way of driving this > printer from VMS.p > E > As an experiment I've created files with PCL escape sequences whichEE > change the characteristics of the print job.  Is there a better ways > than this? > G > Failing that, does anyone have a library of PCL escape sequences thats > I can access.a >  > thank you for your help.  F I print to my HP LaserJet 4000 using DCPS Plus. This software supports& for instance the parameter SIDES, see:B http://www6.compaq.com/products/printers/decvms/vmsbenefits.html     Regards, -- p  ; *********************************************************** ; *                                                         *0; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *a; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *n; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *t; *  Germany                                                *I; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *?; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *s; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            *e; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *e; *                                                         *N; ***********************************************************0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:12:21 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>m+ Subject: Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTNM8 Message-ID: <cnhtdtg2vqt0hqdia0enm1doq6fvl96rvu@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:57:05 +0100, 'o-Dzin Tridrali <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk> wrote:   
 >Dear All, >e? >We have recently acquired an HP Laserjet 4100DTN which can do  G >interesting and possibly useful things like duplexing and 'number up' e
 >printing. >e< >From the PC, these functions are available via the printer D >properties.  I'd like to know what is the best way of driving this  >printer from VMS.  F Use DCPS. Version 1.8 and above supports the 4100 natively and earlier? versions support it unsupported if you see what I mean. DCPS isiF licensed with most systems (possibly all new systems I think). You can2 say things like PRINT/PARAM=(SIDES=2,NUMBER_UP=4).  $ DCPS is also included with DECCampus    E >As an experiment I've created files with PCL escape sequences which -E >change the characteristics of the print job.  Is there a better way   >than this?s > G >Failing that, does anyone have a library of PCL escape sequences that   >I can access. >- >thank you for your help.A >? >'-Dzin   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 08:55:48 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN 3 Message-ID: <uI$pBOONyTg+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <3ADEA7EE.7254.A6553F8@localhost>, 'o-Dzin Tridral <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk> writes: > Dear All,  > @ > We have recently acquired an HP Laserjet 4100DTN which can do H > interesting and possibly useful things like duplexing and 'number up'  > printing.D >   F Wow, it can keep up with my 10 year old DEClaser 3250!  The one I justF got fixed because I've no interest in teaching any of my HP's the LN03 fonts.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation-= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group1E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:24:04 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>y+ Subject: Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTNl* Message-ID: <3ADEE6F4.F89041C@hsc.vcu.edu>   Has ANYONE ever taught hp's the ln03 fonts???  We have this ln03 that just now died yesterday, and a new lj6p i'm trying to wiggle into its place..   jim    Bob Koehler wrote: > ` > In article <3ADEA7EE.7254.A6553F8@localhost>, 'o-Dzin Tridral <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk> writes:
 > > Dear All,a > >fA > > We have recently acquired an HP Laserjet 4100DTN which can dodI > > interesting and possibly useful things like duplexing and 'number up'r
 > > printing.. > >t > H > Wow, it can keep up with my 10 year old DEClaser 3250!  The one I justH > got fixed because I've no interest in teaching any of my HP's the LN03 > fonts. > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationi? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupMG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:54:46 -0400 0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)+ Subject: Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTNeP Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-1904011054460001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  C In article <cnhtdtg2vqt0hqdia0enm1doq6fvl96rvu@4ax.com>, Alan Greigf <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:n  H > Use DCPS. Version 1.8 and above supports the 4100 natively and earlierA > versions support it unsupported if you see what I mean. DCPS iseH > licensed with most systems (possibly all new systems I think). You can4 > say things like PRINT/PARAM=(SIDES=2,NUMBER_UP=4).  G DCPS V1.8 supports the HP LaserJet 4000.  DCPS V2.0 will add the 4050. hH The 4100, being a replacement for the 4050, will probably work also, but has not been tested.  O In article <3ADEE6F4.F89041C@hsc.vcu.edu>, Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote:G  L > Has ANYONE ever taught hp's the ln03 fonts???  We have this ln03 that justJ > now died yesterday, and a new lj6p i'm trying to wiggle into its place..  J If there are fonts that the LN03 has that you want the HP printer to have,J you'll have to buy them and download them to the printer.  Digital used toJ sell a package called SoftFont, which supplied fonts available on the LN03< and DEClaser font cartridges, but it's no longer being sold.   Paul   -- e
 Paul Andersonh  OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Apr 2001 10:57 CSTw' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e+ Subject: Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTN - Message-ID: <19APR200110570584@gerg.tamu.edu>   ' Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> writes...l }Has ANYONE ever taught hp's the ln03 fonts???  We have this ln03 that just now died yesterday, and a new lj6p i'm trying to wiggle- }into its place..- }  }jim  D What's so special abut the LN03 fonts? "Courier"? "Elite"? What font is so irreplacable?    --- Carl   }Bob Koehler wrote:s }> Da }> In article <3ADEA7EE.7254.A6553F8@localhost>, 'o-Dzin Tridral <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk> writes:  }> > Dear All, }> >B }> > We have recently acquired an HP Laserjet 4100DTN which can doJ }> > interesting and possibly useful things like duplexing and 'number up' }> > printing. }> > }>  I }> Wow, it can keep up with my 10 year old DEClaser 3250!  The one I justtI }> got fixed because I've no interest in teaching any of my HP's the LN03n	 }> fonts.s }> dI }> ----------------------------------------------------------------------MB }> Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:13:47 -0400r# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>@+ Subject: Re: Driving an HP Laserjet 4100DTNu+ Message-ID: <3ADF1CCB.A07BE57C@hsc.vcu.edu>x  M hhmm.. ok, lemme reach baaaaack into the dim and dusty recesses of my mind...C   I think we had problems matching up the page margins, font, and font size exactly, plus since we were using REGIS grapics still forh a report, the people ahead of me never pursued it. We're using the normal and landscape orientations both, as well as the regise mode...  In other words I never fiddled with replacing the lno3 with an HP because of the Regis, but now am in a place finally whereB we can really switch now (changing the backend graphic processing)   Carl Perkins wrote:  > ) > Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> writes...s > }Has ANYONE ever taught hp's the ln03 fonts???  We have this ln03 that just now died yesterday, and a new lj6p i'm trying to wigglen > }into its place..s > }  > }jim > F > What's so special abut the LN03 fonts? "Courier"? "Elite"? What font > is so irreplacable?n > 
 > --- Carl >  > }Bob Koehler wrote:a > }>c > }> In article <3ADEA7EE.7254.A6553F8@localhost>, 'o-Dzin Tridral <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk> writes:i > }> > Dear All, > }> >D > }> > We have recently acquired an HP Laserjet 4100DTN which can doL > }> > interesting and possibly useful things like duplexing and 'number up' > }> > printing. > }> > > }>K > }> Wow, it can keep up with my 10 year old DEClaser 3250!  The one I justtK > }> got fixed because I've no interest in teaching any of my HP's the LN03o > }> fonts.h > }>K > }> -----------------------------------------------------------------------D > }> Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:22:58 +1000tB From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.ssppaammffree.com> Subject: Re: Ethernet PCI board-3 Message-ID: <5xvD6.1020$fB6.25658@news.cpqcorp.net>-  G Besides the PCI Board, you also need the device driver.  If someone hasWJ written a device driver which runs on OpenVMS V7.2 for your PCI Board thenK it will work.  However, more than likely, you have some j-random board, and & there will not be a VMS driver for it.   Matt.t  G "fabio.becherini@ufrgs.br" <becherini@vortex.ufrgs.br> wrote in messageo& news:01041811502976@vortex.ufrgs.br...< > Received: by vortex.ufrgs.br (V5.0A-1, OpenVMS V7.2 Alpha), > From: Fabio Becherini <becherini@ufrgs.br>  > Reply-to: <becherini@ufrgs.br>> > Comments: @vortex.ufrgs.br, vortex(46.451)::, psi%........::4 > References: BR, TCHE, UFRGS, CPD network, Cia-INFO/ > Organization: Cia-INFO /DRS /CPD-UFRGS /UFRGS  > L ____________________________________________________________________________ ___- >- >- > Hi ! >h8 >   We have a AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2 > with one Ethernet PCI Board. >c5 > Now we need to put + 1 board like it ( = 2 boards).D >32 > Do you know if this board must be Digital/Compaq > or we can buy another one ?k >a
 > Regards, >rL >   ________________________________________________________________________ >  | |dK >  | Fabio Becherini              System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGSe |o >eJ |________________________________________________________________________|   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:25:55 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: Ethernet PCI boarde8 Message-ID: <d18tdt4ta1ej5b07gc7egnorlh6h1u3419@4ax.com>  C On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:50:29 -0300 (EST), becherini@vortex.ufrgs.br ! (fabio.becherini@ufrgs.br) wrote:   ; >Received:	by vortex.ufrgs.br (V5.0A-1, OpenVMS V7.2 Alpha) , >From:		Fabio Becherini <becherini@ufrgs.br> >Reply-to:	<becherini@ufrgs.br>m= >Comments:	@vortex.ufrgs.br, vortex(46.451)::, psi%........::h3 >References:	BR, TCHE, UFRGS, CPD network, Cia-INFOh. >Organization:	Cia-INFO /DRS /CPD-UFRGS /UFRGSP >_______________________________________________________________________________ >l >e >	Hi ! > 8 >  	We have a AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2 >	with one Ethernet PCI Board. >e5 >	Now we need to put + 1 board like it ( = 2 boards).- > 2 >	Do you know if this board must be Digital/Compaq >	or we can buy another one ?m  C A suitable Compaq card DE500-BA (or similar I guess) can be had for5C less than $100 dollars ($60 dollars from Island I believe). There's-& also a four port version of the DE500.      
 >	Regards, >WK >  ________________________________________________________________________hL > |                                                                        |L > | Fabio Becherini              System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGS |L > |________________________________________________________________________|   -- Alan   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:29:17 +0200 (MET DST):& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>' Subject: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?-6 Message-ID: <200104190624.IAA08800@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  5 today I did read (www.theinquirer.net) the following:s   FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream=20t  '   No chance of the Big Q coughing up=20w  +   By Mike Magee, 17 April 2001 16.57 BST=20e  J   HOPES THAT SOME FIRM like Compaq might chip in to help create a portableI   version of VMS for the AMD Athlon platform are not high, we can report.r  =20L   That follows reports here last week that if Samsung decided to pull the r= ugL   from its Alpha API investment, a   suitable chip candidate for OpenVMS mi= ght-!   be a dual Athlon configuration.   J   But, according to sources near to the Big Q, that is highly unlikely nowJ   given that DEC even before it was Compaq busted the IA port of Open VMS.  L   However, according to sources close to Q that haven't yet lost their jobs= ,nJ   the firm would not necessarily be averse to enterprising souls getting a   FreeVMS together.   K   Said one source: "Sure, there's some Mach code floating around somewhere,tG   but Portable VMS is not on the OS roadmap at the Big Q. If a bunch ofsE   enterprising enthusiasts were to get together and cobble together aoL   Portable FreeVMS, things might be different. But Compaq ain't gonna do it= . F   Especially in light of the current Draconian cost-cutting measures."  L   OSes in Q's hands are always a bit wobbly, as witness NT (W2K for Alpha).=  =B5  L AFAIK the 64bit CPU of AMD will be incompatible to Intel's. So AMD needs a = OSK for its 64bit CPU. Why not OpenVMS? I find it a good idea and Compaq should L help AMD to realize this. In case of this MS would loose a little bit of th= en market.    Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 14:46:05 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>t+ Subject: Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?rH Message-ID: <y4snj5vz02.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ( Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:  > > AFAIK the 64bit CPU of AMD will be incompatible to Intel's.   K What Intel cpu are you talking about? If IA32, it will be fully compatible,oG more compatible in fact than any AMD chip in existence (because it williF support all the instruction set extensions). If IA64, it will be fullyG incompatible, because its design goal was to 1) support 64 bit address nM spaces with minimal changes to the existing IA32 ISA, and 2) add instructionszL (similar to Intel's SSE and SSE2) to finally enable the processor to compete9 in floating-point performance with the rest of the world.y  N No way porting VMS to xHammer is going to be significantly easier than porting it to any other ISA.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:13:17 +0300u From: "sa" <atli@iname.com>NB Subject: How can I increase the size of memory to a queue printer?. Message-ID: <9bkn94$g1d1@baran22.ttnet.net.tr>  K I am using a network printer HP LN15 postcript after every submit of job itbG prints  and in the queue it is shown as stalled and the next job cannotrC print and sometimes it directly prints the commands causing garbage    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:24:18 -0400e0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)F Subject: Re: How can I increase the size of memory to a queue printer?P Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-1904011324180001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  K In article <9bkn94$g1d1@baran22.ttnet.net.tr>, "sa" <atli@iname.com> wrote:.  M > I am using a network printer HP LN15 postcript after every submit of job itnI > prints  and in the queue it is shown as stalled and the next job cannot-E > print and sometimes it directly prints the commands causing garbageh  8 You don't mention enough information to really help you.  ; Are you using an HP printer?  The LN15 was made by Digital.   A Your subject of "How can I increase the size of memory to a queueq3 printer?" does not necessarily match your symptoms.t  8 Are you using DCPS?  If not, what type of queue is this?  H Usually, when printers print PostScript as text, there is a problem withC the automatic language sensing on the printer.  If this is indeed anI Digital Laser Printer LN15, there should be a setting for "personality". h What is its value?   Paul   -- n
 Paul Andersonr  OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:28:11 -0600q4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>. Subject: Listing all the mailboxes on a system2 Message-ID: <MeFD6.2383$XQ.165225@news.uswest.net>  ? Is there anyway to list all the VMS Mail mailboxes on a system?c   -- Thanks,.
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:56:15 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) ) Subject: MAIL$SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE ("From") / Message-ID: <tdu65fk23slp6d@news.supernews.com>n   Hi,f  K I'm attempting to use the MAIL$ Utility routines to create and send a mail  I message.  The destination address is SMTP%"someone@somebox.org" - and it  ! all seems to work fine - except -   F I need to alter the "From:" field on the outbound message.  The MAIL$ K routines provide a way to do this:  MAIL$_SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE, but it won't  I seem to work.  The API call returns SS$_NORMAL, but no alteration of the /K "From:" line takes place.  I confirmed this by watching the output packets  0 with a sniffer on the node creating the message.  ' Platform:  OpenVMS 7.2-1, Multinet V4.1*  E The docs say that special privs are required - the process must have 0K SYSPRV, and the DECNet MAIL object requires SYSPRV on OUTGOING CONNECT.  I r( believe I have these setup up correctly:   $ show proc/priv ...o Process privileges:2/  NETMBX               may create network devicea>  SYSPRV               may access objects via system protection2  TMPMBX               may create temporary mailbox     NCP>show obj mail char  : Object Volatile Characteristics as of 19-APR-2001 12:49:31  
 Object = MAILn   Number                   = 27 * File id                  = MAIL_SERVER.EXE Privilege list           =! Outgoing privilege list  = SYSPRVo& User id                  = MAIL$SERVER# Proxy access             = outgoingn" Alias outgoing           = Enabled    4 The code that attempts to alter the "From" line is:    ITEM AttribIList [] = {hJ       { sizeof(SendFrom) - 1, MAIL$_SEND_FROM_LINE, SendFrom, &SendFromL},       { 0,0,0,0 } } ;p  C if  ((Status = mail$send_add_attribute (&SendContext, AttribIList, h &NullIList)) != SS$_NORMAL)t         return (Status) ;y    C As I indicated above, mail$send_add_attribute() returns SS$_NORMAL.c  F Any ideas where I could look to resolve this?  Could it be a Multinet  issue?     Tia,   ws   -- -1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>8   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:53:28 -0400i, From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>- Subject: Re: MAIL$SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE ("From")H8 Message-ID: <d89udtsj1kaaugtut13i60gv2vb915r68n@4ax.com>  B On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:56:15 -0000, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote:u   >Hi, >0L >I'm attempting to use the MAIL$ Utility routines to create and send a mail J >message.  The destination address is SMTP%"someone@somebox.org" - and it " >all seems to work fine - except - >-G >I need to alter the "From:" field on the outbound message.  The MAIL$ GL >routines provide a way to do this:  MAIL$_SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE, but it won't J >seem to work.  The API call returns SS$_NORMAL, but no alteration of the L >"From:" line takes place.  I confirmed this by watching the output packets 1 >with a sniffer on the node creating the message.0 >l( >Platform:  OpenVMS 7.2-1, Multinet V4.1 > F >The docs say that special privs are required - the process must have L >SYSPRV, and the DECNet MAIL object requires SYSPRV on OUTGOING CONNECT.  I ) >believe I have these setup up correctly:t  D I don't know if Multinet has any bearing on this.  I know that I useA this feature all the time.  Here is my Fortran code that does it:e   !H ! Add attributes !i2         IN_ITMLST(1).ITMCOD = MAIL$_SEND_FROM_LINE,         IN_ITMLST(1).BUFLEN = SIZEOF(SENDER)*         IN_ITMLST(1).BUFADR = %LOC(SENDER)         IN_ITMLST(1).RETADR = 0 0         IN_ITMLST(2).ITMCOD = MAIL$_SEND_SUBJECT)         IN_ITMLST(2).BUFLEN = SUBJECT_LEN.+         IN_ITMLST(2).BUFADR = %LOC(SUBJECT)-         IN_ITMLST(2).RETADR = 0          IN_ITMLST(3) = EOLSTE         ISTAT = MAIL$SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE(MSG_CTX,IN_ITMLST,OUT_ITMLST) 5         IF (.NOT. ISTAT) CALL LIB$SIGNAL(%VAL(ISTAT))   C The only thing I notice different about your code is that you don't-A specify zero as the RETADR, not that I think this should make anya difference.q  E You should get a SS$_NORPIV error if your process doesn't have SYSPRVgE and you try to use this feature.  Can you verify in the debugger thato& the itemlist has the correct contents?    - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com). Fortran Engineering & Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------   Date: 19 APR 2001 15:49:27 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>  Subject: Missing 000000.dirS2 Message-ID: <19APR01.15492780@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  > We have a (virtual) disk that's apparently missing 000000.dir:     $ dir vda3:[000000]i=   %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening VDA3:[000000]*.*;* as input<!   -RMS-E-DNF, directory not foundA$   -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file  B We're using VMS 7.2-1 AXP with Glenn Everhart's vddriver, although@ I don't think either are at issue here.  (The disk is nfs-served? to a Unix system and there was an attempt to backup/restore thea< disk using Unix-based software - it seems safe to say *that*B caused the problem.  It's a long story and I think we can say that it won't happen again.  Sigh.)  > Since I can still do DIR VDA3:[*] and get listings of files inB top-level directories I think we can use BACKUP to save the files,A re-INIT the disk and then restore from the backup save set.  WhataB I'm curious about is whether there's a way to recreate the missingA 000000.dir without the backup-init-restore sequence.  Anyone have0 any suggestions?   Thanks,  Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVoH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:58:25 -0400t2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Missing 000000.dirbL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1904011158250001@user-2ive6i0.dialup.mindspring.com>  A In article <19APR01.15492780@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood> <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:   @ > We have a (virtual) disk that's apparently missing 000000.dir: >  >   $ dir vda3:[000000]'? >   %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening VDA3:[000000]*.*;* as inputt# >   -RMS-E-DNF, directory not foundo& >   -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file > D > We're using VMS 7.2-1 AXP with Glenn Everhart's vddriver, althoughB > I don't think either are at issue here.  (The disk is nfs-servedA > to a Unix system and there was an attempt to backup/restore the > > disk using Unix-based software - it seems safe to say *that*D > caused the problem.  It's a long story and I think we can say that  > it won't happen again.  Sigh.) > @ > Since I can still do DIR VDA3:[*] and get listings of files inD > top-level directories I think we can use BACKUP to save the files,C > re-INIT the disk and then restore from the backup save set.  What D > I'm curious about is whether there's a way to recreate the missingC > 000000.dir without the backup-init-restore sequence.  Anyone havet > any suggestions?  > What does ANALYZE/DISK do?  Can it find anything to work with?   -- e Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comw   ------------------------------   Date: 19 APR 2001 16:14:55 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>w Subject: Re: Missing 000000.dirc2 Message-ID: <19APR01.16145558@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  3 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:dC > In article <19APR01.15492780@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwoods > <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:p >   B > > We have a (virtual) disk that's apparently missing 000000.dir: > >  > >   $ dir vda3:[000000]bA > >   %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening VDA3:[000000]*.*;* as inputl% > >   -RMS-E-DNF, directory not foundf( > >   -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file > > F > > We're using VMS 7.2-1 AXP with Glenn Everhart's vddriver, althoughD > > I don't think either are at issue here.  (The disk is nfs-servedC > > to a Unix system and there was an attempt to backup/restore the @ > > disk using Unix-based software - it seems safe to say *that*F > > caused the problem.  It's a long story and I think we can say that" > > it won't happen again.  Sigh.) > > B > > Since I can still do DIR VDA3:[*] and get listings of files inF > > top-level directories I think we can use BACKUP to save the files,E > > re-INIT the disk and then restore from the backup save set.  WhattF > > I'm curious about is whether there's a way to recreate the missingE > > 000000.dir without the backup-init-restore sequence.  Anyone haveC > > any suggestions? >  d@ > What does ANALYZE/DISK do?  Can it find anything to work with?     anal/disk vda3:yM   Analyze/Disk_Structure for _LEGACY$VDA3: started on 19-APR-2001 08:59:19.26a   ...a3   %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (3,3,1) BADBLK.SYS;1a          not found in a directory3   %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (4,4,1) 000000.DIR;10          not found in a directory   ...v  D Basically, all the files that are in [000000], including itself, areE listed as not found in a directory.  So I imagine analyze/disk/repairsB will try to create vda3:[syslost] (syslost.dir is not among listedC files) and put those files there.   I wonder what would happen when E it tried to create [syslost], since there's no [000000] to put it in._   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV0H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:52:32 +0200o< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>A Subject: MOD_SSL.EXE_ALPHA is missing in CSWS V1.0-1 distribution_4 Message-ID: <9bmu2c$a1enu$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Hi all,    a word of warning:  > The V1.0-1 distribution is missing the MOD_SSL.EXE_ALPHA image6 (of course, I've already thrown away the V1.0 kit...).  D As the one from the T1.1 distribution doesn't seem to work, the only; workaround seemed to be to disable mod_ssl (set it to NO inoB APACHE$CONFIG, remove the include of MOD_SSL.CONF in HTTPD.CONF) - but no:A  D [Thu Apr 19 14:48:53 2001] [error] mod_ssl: Init: Failed to generate! temporary 512 bit RSA private keyb   <sigh>   cu,    Martin -- MJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de6J One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/? And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de _   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:37:49 -0400 8 From: "Scott LePage" <Scott.Lepage@ihatespam.compaq.com>E Subject: Re: MOD_SSL.EXE_ALPHA is missing in CSWS V1.0-1 distribution13 Message-ID: <OmFD6.1049$fB6.26193@news.cpqcorp.net>t  
 Hi Martin,  A I talked to the SSL guys and MOD_SSL.EXE_ALPHA wasn't part of theaK V1.0 or V1.0-1 kits.  It is built into the core Apache module.  Once you go(1 to T1.1 (V1.1) it'll show up as a loadable image.a  D The error you're getting seems to be related to lack of entropy whenD generating the random seed.  You can fix by providing a large enough4 file in the SSLRandomSeed directive of MOD_SSL.CONF. For example:  (     $ show system /full /output=file.txt  ( Then change the line in MOD_SSL.CONF to:  /     SSLRandomSeed startup file:/<path>/file.txt_  4 Make sure "file.txt" is readable by user APACHE$WWW.     Scotta CSWS development team:    G "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> wrote in messageV. news:9bmu2c$a1enu$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de...	 > Hi all,8 >s > a word of warning: >l@ > The V1.0-1 distribution is missing the MOD_SSL.EXE_ALPHA image8 > (of course, I've already thrown away the V1.0 kit...). >uF > As the one from the T1.1 distribution doesn't seem to work, the only= > workaround seemed to be to disable mod_ssl (set it to NO inbD > APACHE$CONFIG, remove the include of MOD_SSL.CONF in HTTPD.CONF) -	 > but no:= > F > [Thu Apr 19 14:48:53 2001] [error] mod_ssl: Init: Failed to generate# > temporary 512 bit RSA private keym >, > <sigh> >  > cu,n
 >   Martin > --L > One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer9 > One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.detL > One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/@ > And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:37:18 GMTa4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)@ Subject: Re: OpenVMS ALPHA V7.2-2 That Includes Fix To DCL.EXE ?) Message-ID: <OAwD6.1628$%L5.28639@insync>f  5 Jerry Leslie (LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net) wrote:t : F : What I was looking for was a special patch for DCL that was providedG : to that site. The patch was just a new version of DCL.EXE, and wasn'ta1 : packaged for installation by PCSI or VMSINSTAL.d : 5 : The bug exists at another site running VMS 7.2-1...   7 The DCL problem was a DCL script that looked like this:I     $ VCL <arguments>=	   COMPILEt   EXIT   $ VCL <arguments> 	   COMPILE    EXIT	   COMPILEq   EXIT  C where control passed from the "$ VCL" foreign command to the second A "COMPILE" statement, instead of the next "$ VCL" foreign command.-  9 The CSC provided the version of DCL.EXE as 71116_DCL.EXE.o  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.netc;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidg2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 09:59:59 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!H Message-ID: <y466g1wc8w.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  - "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:I  3 > Apparently it was common practice in the industryi4 > to run a CPU (without heatsink) for a few seconds 2 > just to ensure that it worked prior to shipping.  J Cray used special test setups that applied power for a few milliseconds toJ check out boards after manufacturing. After the chips had cooled off for aH few seconds, the next cycle was started. Remember that the larger Crays F needed to remove around 100 KW from a volume of about a cubic metre...   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 09:42:06 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!5 Message-ID: <20010419094206.2837.qmail@nym.alias.net>e  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----   On 19 Apr 2001, Jan Vorbrueggenn8 <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:. >"antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes: >-4 >> Apparently it was common practice in the industry5 >> to run a CPU (without heatsink) for a few seconds  3 >> just to ensure that it worked prior to shipping.  >uK >Cray used special test setups that applied power for a few milliseconds to.K >check out boards after manufacturing. After the chips had cooled off for a@I >few seconds, the next cycle was started. Remember that the larger Crays rG >needed to remove around 100 KW from a volume of about a cubic metre...e >n >	Jane  ' Of course there is an alternative . . .r  ? http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2001/0416/web-cray-04-18-01.aspu  F  . . Or does everyone huddle round the supercomputer for warmth in the Arctic?d     Doc.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----I Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOt4ccsriC3SGiziTAQFrygf6A5nmYHu088a8LE0MjvR9WY4cx9cIK9Cw@ LUpnM6FEyzswHClGAvlSoaFAYDE2QtjWh14mLxEGsJ+fROhABVR+KdRSy4Wyo4sb@ C+TVvvaGLKnjmKBrm51vVkjv806pAuZkPxz7ZaoJMu7owSFWFL/vhreBU0/k9CoI@ tQfTEVgPIS3nk6QUsqtOUPNsetMHOxks9dUhqWfTs/xtfQTh5Eewh8hYZHy2FA3u@ siJ7Ou6uqHMRZEIvp5UuUi23oXFIE5lug1h+TW5OHhBRsCew9mQ7wgVIrzb6b6gP8 BbLSacyJqVuRKJQ8lcNkdXnG4/Ic3TzGu2XohOWs/Ac4vG+GLLRiMQ== =gJoC  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:42:55 -0300a) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br : Subject: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.L Message-ID: <OFF9BE2AAF.9B533DE8-ON03256A33.003AC214@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  . Check at www.jobserve.com    (without the "r")  I I believe I will ask for a position in England as "Computer Operator" ...-) is less stressing than System Management.1   :-))))))))))))     Regardsp   FC        : Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> em 18/04/2001 19:30:23  5 Favor responder a Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>'             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt      : Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.    	 BB wrote:% >m > Dear All,o > K > I am an OpenVMS administrator for about 4 years and managed a vendor core E > application. Due to the application has been replaced by other thato runningAH > on IBM platform. So I would like to find job here because there is not muchK > recruitment agency has job offer related to this retiring O/S and I thinki to> > post an ad. in this special group might draw your attention. > J > I am willingness to give you further info. about my work history and....7 > just to say thanks here if you can offer me a chance.Y >V
 > Regards, > Mr. L.  = Did you check google for a recent post in this NG about a VMSt& sysadmin job in Hong Kong or Singapur?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:20:40 -0400d7 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@sasSPAMITUPTHEZZZ.com>e: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.2 Message-ID: <=9feOvjp5Ao7=h2o8AwasSMu9Wh2@4ax.com>  " Better yet, how about BOFH?!?  ;-)   David R. BeattyI  # On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:42:55 -0300,i* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  / >Check at www.jobserve.com    (without the "r")= >SJ >I believe I will ask for a position in England as "Computer Operator" ...* >is less stressing than System Management. >  >:-))))))))))))e >s >  >Regards >o >FCn >s >  >T >A; >Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> em 18/04/2001 19:30:23F >_6 >Favor responder a Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> >  >t >s >      Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >C >e > ; >Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.( >t > 
 >BB wrote: >> >> Dear All, >>L >> I am an OpenVMS administrator for about 4 years and managed a vendor coreF >> application. Due to the application has been replaced by other that >runningI >> on IBM platform. So I would like to find job here because there is not  >muchrL >> recruitment agency has job offer related to this retiring O/S and I think >ton? >> post an ad. in this special group might draw your attention.1 >>K >> I am willingness to give you further info. about my work history and....$8 >> just to say thanks here if you can offer me a chance. >> >> Regards,8	 >> Mr. L.  >n> >Did you check google for a recent post in this NG about a VMS' >sysadmin job in Hong Kong or Singapur?m >n >o >e >e >I   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:59:19 -0300a) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bri: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.L Message-ID: <OF50FD06A3.18B4B7C0-ON03256A33.00474F78@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   What is BOFH ????$   RegardsT   FC        H David Beatty <David.Beatty@sasSPAMITUPTHEZZZ.com> em 19/04/2001 09:20:40  C Favor responder a David Beatty <David.Beatty@sasSPAMITUPTHEZZZ.com>e             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn      : Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.      " Better yet, how about BOFH?!?  ;-)   David R. Beattye  # On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:42:55 -0300,d* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  / >Check at www.jobserve.com    (without the "r")p >rJ >I believe I will ask for a position in England as "Computer Operator" ...* >is less stressing than System Management. >r >:-))))))))))))e >t >  >Regards >t >FCt >  >  >  > ; >Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> em 18/04/2001 19:30:23( >B6 >Favor responder a Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> >S >E >  >      Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >  >  > ; >Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.) >F > 
 >BB wrote: >> >> Dear All, >>G >> I am an OpenVMS administrator for about 4 years and managed a vendorI coreF >> application. Due to the application has been replaced by other that >runningI >> on IBM platform. So I would like to find job here because there is notI >much F >> recruitment agency has job offer related to this retiring O/S and I thinkh >tot? >> post an ad. in this special group might draw your attention.N >>K >> I am willingness to give you further info. about my work history and.....8 >> just to say thanks here if you can offer me a chance. >> >> Regards,t	 >> Mr. L.v >i> >Did you check google for a recent post in this NG about a VMS' >sysadmin job in Hong Kong or Singapur?o >q >r >n >b >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:12:42 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>a: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.) Message-ID: <3ADEE449.A9D02E3B@Omond.net>4  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   > What is BOFH ????0  = Bastard Operator From Hell (see http://www.theregister.co.uk)p  	 Roy Omond0 Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:17:58 -0400e# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>e: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.+ Message-ID: <3ADEE586.6968462A@hsc.vcu.edu>U  . you have NOT heard of the BOFH?????  hhmm.....  / http://www.sanity.de/admins/fun/bofh/index.html   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >  > What is BOFH ????w > 	 > Regards  >  > FC > J > David Beatty <David.Beatty@sasSPAMITUPTHEZZZ.com> em 19/04/2001 09:20:40 > E > Favor responder a David Beatty <David.Beatty@sasSPAMITUPTHEZZZ.com>  >  >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr > < > Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China. > $ > Better yet, how about BOFH?!?  ;-) >  > David R. Beattyn > % > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:42:55 -0300,g, > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > 1 > >Check at www.jobserve.com    (without the "r")o > > L > >I believe I will ask for a position in England as "Computer Operator" ..., > >is less stressing than System Management. > >1 > >:-))))))))))))m > >i > >r
 > >Regards > >R > >FCe > >e > >u > >: > >M= > >Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> em 18/04/2001 19:30:23e > >e8 > >Favor responder a Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> > >3 > >. > >g > >      Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >n > >> > >e= > >Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.0 > >: > >  > >BB wrote: > >> > >> Dear All, > >>I > >> I am an OpenVMS administrator for about 4 years and managed a vendor  > coreH > >> application. Due to the application has been replaced by other that
 > >runningK > >> on IBM platform. So I would like to find job here because there is noth > >much H > >> recruitment agency has job offer related to this retiring O/S and I > thinki > >togA > >> post an ad. in this special group might draw your attention.o > >>M > >> I am willingness to give you further info. about my work history and....): > >> just to say thanks here if you can offer me a chance. > >>
 > >> Regards,e > >> Mr. L.  > >n@ > >Did you check google for a recent post in this NG about a VMS) > >sysadmin job in Hong Kong or Singapur?  > >  > >u > >u > >w > >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:23:24 -0300t) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brg: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.L Message-ID: <OFDEC70B7F.50C5570C-ON03256A33.0049766E@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   No way !  ' I used to be a good Operator .... :-)))G  G But I cant believe ... I have friends working as C.Operator for over 200 years ! ! !g   RegardsR   FC        0 Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> em 19/04/2001 10:12:42  + Favor responder a Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>.             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       : Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.    * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   > What is BOFH ????   = Bastard Operator From Hell (see http://www.theregister.co.uk)0  	 Roy Omondu Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:32:13 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>n: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.* Message-ID: <3ADEE8DD.687C068@hsc.vcu.edu>  H here's a better one... i've GOT to get back to work.. whatever that is..    http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard.html   Roy Omond wrote: > , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >  > > What is BOFH ????  > ? > Bastard Operator From Hell (see http://www.theregister.co.uk)A >  > Roy Omondt > Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:32:46 -0400e# From: Jim Agnew <Agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>t: Subject: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China.+ Message-ID: <3ADEE8FE.660E79E7@hsc.vcu.edu>0  0 see now why they love the operator job?????? ;-D  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > 
 > No way ! > ) > I used to be a good Operator .... :-)))  > I > But I cant believe ... I have friends working as C.Operator for over 20R
 > years ! ! !2 > 	 > RegardsA >  > FC > 2 > Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> em 19/04/2001 10:12:42 > - > Favor responder a Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>, >  >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn > < > Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Job seeking in Hong Kong, SAR, China. > , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >  > > What is BOFH ????g > ? > Bastard Operator From Hell (see http://www.theregister.co.uk)d >  > Roy Omondi > Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:37:24 -0400[' From: Jack Patteeuw <jpatteeu@ford.com>t  Subject: Printer recommendations( Message-ID: <3ADEDC04.151F2D99@ford.com>  : While most of our LPS32 printers are still running strong,5 we are looking to replace some some old Kodak 90 ppm -7 printers.  We don't need quite that much speed and are M8 looking at the  Genicom LNM40.  Whatever we choose must " have duplex and full DCPS support.  % Any experience with LNM40 out there ?9  : Any other recommendations in the 30-60 ppm range (Remember we need full DCPS support).r  
 Jack Patteeuwg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:38:58 -0400 0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)$ Subject: Re: Printer recommendationsP Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-1904011338580001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  J In article <3ADEDC04.151F2D99@ford.com>, Jack Patteeuw <jpatteeu@ford.com> wrote:  < > While most of our LPS32 printers are still running strong,7 > we are looking to replace some some old Kodak 90 ppm e9 > printers.  We don't need quite that much speed and are r: > looking at the  Genicom LNM40.  Whatever we choose must $ > have duplex and full DCPS support. >w' > Any experience with LNM40 out there ?t >D< > Any other recommendations in the 30-60 ppm range (Remember > we need full DCPS support).e  I DCPS supports the Genicom LNM40 now (V1.8).  Other printers in that speedpB range that will be supported by DCPS V2.0 (coming soon) are the HP2 LaserJet 8150 and Xerox DocuPrint N3225 and N4025.  H The HP 8000, 8100 and 8150 printers have a proven track record and don'tC cause DCPS any grief.  Although the Xerox printers did not pose anytJ problems for DCPS during V2.0 development, this is the first time DCPS has supported Xerox.  I One thing in favor of the Genicom printers is that they were more closelygJ developed with DCPS during the time Digital (and then Compaq) printers andC DCPS were both made at Genicom.  I'd say that if there is a printereH problem with a Genicom printer and DCPS, the chances are greater that itI would be fixed by Genicom than by HP or Xerox, since Genicom specificallyeE targets OpenVMS customers with the LN series that they took over fromr Compaq.e  I That said, I'll step out of the way and let others with comments step in.$   Paul   -- .
 Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:23:12 -0400r8 From: "Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com># Subject: reduced system prices !!!! / Message-ID: <tdu0l977vd7a95@news.supernews.com>b  H We have reduced all the Personal Workstation prices by $200 at least !!!& (except the 433 has gone down to $549)  I go to www.islandco.com for reduced Personal Workstation and memory pricesp     -- Island Computers US Corporationg 2700 Gregory Streeta	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404e Tel: 912 447 6622n Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Apr 2001 13:47:18 GMT# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.edur" Subject: software ethernet sniffer+ Message-ID: <9bmq96$61o$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>    Hello, -;    I am in dire need of a ethernet sniffer for either a vax F or an alpha.  I had one but apparently it got lost somewhere along the line.A  I We are occasionally getting hammered on the ethernet, slowing all networkyD related work to a crawl.  I haven't found anything of interest usingB tcpip sho dev so I am guessing that somebody elsewhere is floodingC the network and we are just catching the backwash (one problem withs@ that theory is that non-VMS machines don't seem to be having the same problem.).n  D In any case it is a sporadic problem so trying to get our networkingE department to catch it would be a problem and so I would like to haveCE a look at the network addresses of the packets that come by while I'm  getting all these collisions.   > I'm running VMS 7.2 TCPIP 5.0a on an alphastation 1000a and a  vaxstation 4000 m 60  & Thank you for any help you can give me   Robert Morphis   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:28:11 +0200l! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>n* Subject: Re: Standalone Backup and restore& Message-ID: <3ADEAFAA.94DB11F3@ims.ch>  M With VMS 5.5-2 you need to do the following (from top of my head. Please wait./ for some ack/nak from other participants here)::  O 1. build a special area on you system disk (for example) where VMS will boot innL stand_alone mode, ie without opening any file on the disk. To do so, use theM @sys$update:stabackit.com procedure and follow the instructions. It is a very( obvious and easy operation.e  3 2. shutdown your system without requesting a rebootn  5 3. boot in standalone mode with the following commandr   >>> B/F0000000 your_system_disko  L if SYSF was the choice you selected when you run the stabackit.com procedure! (there are seven 0 after the "F")h  B 4. When you get the $ prompt, type your backup command, such like:  F $ back/init/ver/ima your_disk_to_backup your_tape_device:disk_name.bck  9 5. When you get your prompt back, the backup is complete.e  : To restore the disk, do the same command in the other way:  G $ back/init/ver/ima your_tape_device:disk_name.bck your_disk_to_backup:-  
 Should do it.E   D.  
 ADR wrote: > C > I want to backup and restore my system disk, but I don't have thecC > manuals for my system and I want to make sure I issue the correct>H > Standalone Backup and restore commands.  It's a VS4000VLC with V5.5-2. > Can anyone help?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:34:13 GMTCB From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>* Subject: Re: Standalone Backup and restore5 Message-ID: <9XAD6.2678$D4.270923@www.newsranger.com>   J On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:28:11 +0200, in article <3ADEAFAA.94DB11F3@ims.ch>, Didier Morandi wrote:v >mN >With VMS 5.5-2 you need to do the following (from top of my head. Please wait0 >for some ack/nak from other participants here): >-P >1. build a special area on you system disk (for example) where VMS will boot inM >stand_alone mode, ie without opening any file on the disk. To do so, use the2N >@sys$update:stabackit.com procedure and follow the instructions. It is a very >obvious and easy operation. >f4 >2. shutdown your system without requesting a reboot >76 >3. boot in standalone mode with the following command >x  >>>> B/F0000000 your_system_disk >iM >if SYSF was the choice you selected when you run the stabackit.com procedure8" >(there are seven 0 after the "F") >=C >4. When you get the $ prompt, type your backup command, such like:- > G >$ back/init/ver/ima your_disk_to_backup your_tape_device:disk_name.bckr >c: >5. When you get your prompt back, the backup is complete. >n; >To restore the disk, do the same command in the other way:c >tH >$ back/init/ver/ima your_tape_device:disk_name.bck your_disk_to_backup: >  >Should do it. >s >D.   D What happens if something goes wrong during the restore and you have) overwritten your standalone backup root ?   G You need to create at least one standalone backup kit on tape (I always A did two) and boot from the kit to make sure that it's a good kit.   B I will leave discussion of your other commands to people with moreG recent VAX experience (Alpha standalone backup is of course different).M   Simon.   >  >ADR wrote:e >> nD >> I want to backup and restore my system disk, but I don't have theD >> manuals for my system and I want to make sure I issue the correctI >> Standalone Backup and restore commands.  It's a VS4000VLC with V5.5-2.b >> Can anyone help?s    ; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPuJ 'The statement that "it can never happen" is not an acceptable programmingH approach. You must assume it can happen and be in control when it does.'=           -- Ada 95 Quality and Style Guidelines, US DoD AJPOg   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:55:09 -0500S/ From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com>e6 Subject: RE: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas areaR Message-ID: <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCCF3B61C@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  L I'm thinking about the idea of asking questions submitted by this group.  IfJ you would like me to ask a question for you please post it before ThursdayH at 1:00 CST as I will be on my way to the event.  Remember I will use myH discretion on which questions I select to ask.  Also, I will not ask anyI questions from anonymous posters so be sure to identify yourself when youn post your question.)  $ Ed Stuart                           ( Manager, Systems and Desktop Services	  + Information Technology & Telecommunicationsd City of Austin, Austin Energyp Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com  + "Glittering prizes and endless compromises e/ shatter the illusion of integrity" - Neil Peart   B *Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here*  r   -----Original Message-----6 From: Dave Gudewicz [mailto:david.gudewicz@abbott.com]& Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 3:33 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw6 Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello - Austin Texas area    F If someone in attendance could summarizer this meeting, I and probably  others here would be interested.   Thanks,p   Dave...   = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messageo* news:olas6.39$eE2.1998@news.cpqcorp.net...L > If you are in the Austin Texas area this would be a chance for you to talk7 > directly to Richard Marcello VP of the OpenVMS group.o >a > sues >d3 > _________________________________________________I > G > The Austin Chapter of DECUS/Encompass and Compaq Computer Corporation + > invites you to "Talk with Rich Marcello!"u >cI > Rich Marcello, Vice President of the OpenVMS Systems and Software GroupA for4D > Compaq Computer Corporation, will be our special guest at the nextK > DECUS/Encompass Local User Group meeting. Please join us for a discussion  of? > the exciting developments in OpenVMS both current and future.y >s > Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 >n > Time: 2:00 - 5:00 p.m. >sJ > Location: Compaq Computer Corporation, 14231 Tandem Blvd., Austin, Texas > L > Refreshments will be served. Seats are limited so please RSVP via email to >aG > Jaime Matute at jaime.matute@austinenergy.com or call (512) 322-6265.  >t4 > Don't miss this unique opportunity! See you there! >i >n > Ed Stuartp >r > DECUS BATLUG Co-Chairs >s' > Manager, Systems and Desktop Services) >)! > Information Technology Services  >  > City of Austin, Austin Energyi >p > 512-322-6372 >0 > Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com >r >C >s   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 09:51:02 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>a5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?nH Message-ID: <y48zkxwcnt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ' bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) writes:   4 > Especially after being told that you can't legally, > get 3-phase power to residences in the US.  J You're not allowed to have electric cooking ranges in the US? I have neverC seen one here in Germany that _doesn't_ require three-phase power. a   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Apr 2001 13:15:03 GMT From: jfc@mit.edu (John F Carr) 5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?>@ Message-ID: <3adee4d7$0$1909$b45e6eb0@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>  H In article <y48zkxwcnt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,I Jan Vorbrueggen  <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:2( >bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) writes: > 5 >> Especially after being told that you can't legallyn- >> get 3-phase power to residences in the US.  >aK >You're not allowed to have electric cooking ranges in the US? I have neverpD >seen one here in Germany that _doesn't_ require three-phase power.   E You can get two phases plus neutral to a house in the US.  Each phase1E is 120V.  Depending on location, the voltage between the phases mighteG be 208V or 240V.  208 = 120 x sqrt(3), but I don't know how they do it.A) 240V power uses two opposing 120V phases.    -- ?     John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:28:01 +0200r5 From: Martin Knoblauch <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de>C5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?m+ Message-ID: <3ADEE7E1.8192DFB3@TeraPort.de>e  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------588B8201FD60BC8A56E8AF65* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bite   John F Carr wrote: >  > G > You can get two phases plus neutral to a house in the US.  Each phase G > is 120V.  Depending on location, the voltage between the phases mightcI > be 208V or 240V.  208 = 120 x sqrt(3), but I don't know how they do it.n+ > 240V power uses two opposing 120V phases.s >   G  In the 208V case you have the two phases 120 deg separated. Wonder whyrH you can't get three of them into a residence. That is pretty standard inA europe (as mentioned - most coocking equipment comes with 3-phase  connection).   Martin --  B ------------------------------------------------------------------B Martin Knoblauch         |    email:  Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de7 TeraPort GmbH            |    Phone:  +49-89-510857-309 7 IT Services              |    Fax:    +49-89-510857-111v5 http://www.teraport.de   |    Mobile: +49-170-4904759n& --------------588B8201FD60BC8A56E8AF65- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;f  name="Martin.Knoblauch.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bita. Content-Description: Card for Martin Knoblauch  Content-Disposition: attachment;   filename="Martin.Knoblauch.vcf"   begin:vcard  n:Knoblauch;Martin tel;cell:+49-170-4904759 tel;fax:+49-89-510857-111w tel;work:+49-89-510857-309 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.teraport.de org:TeraPort GmbH;IT-ServicesM8 adr:;;Garmischer Strae 4;Mnchen;Bayern;D-80339;Germany version:2.1t+ email;internet:Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.dep title:Senior System Engineer x-mozilla-cpt:;32160 fn:Martin Knoblaucha	 end:vcard   ( --------------588B8201FD60BC8A56E8AF65--   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:46:21 -0400R- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>25 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen? ( Message-ID: <3ADEEC30.C878FB9F@ohio.edu>  J Electric stoves and ovens in the US are typically 220 V, but single phase.L Three-phase vs. single-phase is not an effectiveness issue except for motorsK and rectifiers (with single-phase, you need more inertia -- bigger flywheelMM on the motor, bigger inductor or capacitor on the power supply filter -- than K with three-phase).  For heating, just raise the voltage to keep the currenttM reasonable for any given power level.  Cooking food surely doesn't care aboutBL 50 Hz vs 60 Hz (the power fluctuations, of course, would be at 100 Hz or 120 Hz, respectively).  #                                 RDP:     Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:  ) > bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) writes:C >@6 > > Especially after being told that you can't legally. > > get 3-phase power to residences in the US. >.L > You're not allowed to have electric cooking ranges in the US? I have neverD > seen one here in Germany that _doesn't_ require three-phase power. >e
 >         Jane   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 10:16:55 -05003 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)d5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?l3 Message-ID: <s+3pOvgtD$rM@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  + In article <3ADEE7E1.8192DFB3@TeraPort.de>, 7 Martin Knoblauch <Martin.Knoblauch#TeraPort.de> writes:   . > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  " Please be kind, do not post MIMEs.   > John F Carr wrote: >> >>H >> You can get two phases plus neutral to a house in the US.  Each phaseH >> is 120V.  Depending on location, the voltage between the phases mightJ >> be 208V or 240V.  208 = 120 x sqrt(3), but I don't know how they do it., >> 240V power uses two opposing 120V phases. >> >0I >  In the 208V case you have the two phases 120 deg separated. Wonder whyrJ > you can't get three of them into a residence. That is pretty standard inC > europe (as mentioned - most coocking equipment comes with 3-phase  > connection).  H It is my understanding that the standard U.S. household feed is a singleE phase nominal 220 to 240 Volts.  It is center tapped to ground at theuG local distribution transformer, allowing two 110 to 120 volt legs to bee distributed through the house.  F The maximum potential between a single wire and ground is about 120 V.  G Beyond the transformer may vary by region, but since in the rural areaslG where I can see the wires, only two lines are going to the distributionoH transformers on most residential streets.  This leads me to believe thatE only a single phase is shared by that neighborhood from some upstreamp feed point.o  D Getting 3 phases to a house can mean requiring three wires from thatH upstream feed point.  Sharing the existing phase could present potentialG balancing problems for the distribution point, as the expectation would ; be that you have a significant load to justify the expense.     D Just following this thread has shown how much confusion there is out there on electrical wiring.m  A And do not take my word on how things are wired.  Look it up from  an authorative source.   -Johnp wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:19:03 +0200u5 From: Martin Knoblauch <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de>i5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?a+ Message-ID: <3ADEF3D7.DE33E4C4@TeraPort.de>t  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------1A42E3EB7327A14377DE4AFC* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bite   "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:h > L > Electric stoves and ovens in the US are typically 220 V, but single phase.N > Three-phase vs. single-phase is not an effectiveness issue except for motorsM > and rectifiers (with single-phase, you need more inertia -- bigger flywheelPO > on the motor, bigger inductor or capacitor on the power supply filter -- thaniM > with three-phase).  For heating, just raise the voltage to keep the currentnO > reasonable for any given power level.  Cooking food surely doesn't care aboutgN > 50 Hz vs 60 Hz (the power fluctuations, of course, would be at 100 Hz or 120 > Hz, respectively). >   F  you are correct that there is no principal need for three phase powerG on cooking equipment. But even with 220-240V (as standard in europe forsF 1-phase lines), four cooking zones plus the oven/grill will draw a lotE of current (you have to calculate worst case). So our equipment comesoD with 3 (separate) 220V power inputs. You can connect them all to one@ phase if the fuse is strong enough, or can connect them to threeA different 220V phases, effectively distributing the load. As (foraF years/decades) houses/flats get three phases from the power companies,H the kitchen usually has one 3-phase outlet. Just make sure you don't mixG up phase and zero. Otherwise you will end up with 380V at a place wheree they don't belong :-)   E  You are of course also correct that 50 vs. 60 Hz does not matter for @ cooking :-) The thermal inertia of the equipment is much to big.  H  Now, what again has this to do with DEC/Compaq equipment - besides that Alphas are running hot :-)   Martin -- nB ------------------------------------------------------------------B Martin Knoblauch         |    email:  Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de7 TeraPort GmbH            |    Phone:  +49-89-510857-309t7 IT Services              |    Fax:    +49-89-510857-111t5 http://www.teraport.de   |    Mobile: +49-170-4904759 & --------------1A42E3EB7327A14377DE4AFC- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;e  name="Martin.Knoblauch.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit . Content-Description: Card for Martin Knoblauch  Content-Disposition: attachment;   filename="Martin.Knoblauch.vcf"   begin:vcard  n:Knoblauch;Martin tel;cell:+49-170-4904759 tel;fax:+49-89-510857-111  tel;work:+49-89-510857-309 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.teraport.de org:TeraPort GmbH;IT-Servicesa8 adr:;;Garmischer Strae 4;Mnchen;Bayern;D-80339;Germany version:2.1u+ email;internet:Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.ded title:Senior System Engineer x-mozilla-cpt:;32160 fn:Martin Knoblauchi	 end:vcardl  ( --------------1A42E3EB7327A14377DE4AFC--   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 11:53:23 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)d5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen? 3 Message-ID: <A+ein6ozH47j@eisner.encompasserve.org>u  N In article <GC00s4.AL0@world.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) writes:  H > Well, I don't know about others in this thread, but those are all veryG > good reasons why I haven't even considered using high-current 3-phasehK > circuits with my VAX.  Especially after being told that you can't legallya, > get 3-phase power to residences in the US.  * What is your source for that information ?  E I had an electrician in for a quote one year.  I was interested in ancE emergency generator, but when I introduced the subject with "I have aaE lot of computer equipment" the electrician interrupted before I could F finish saying "oh, do you want three phase power ?".  I did not at theC time (and probably still don't) but I learned enough at the time to H find out I would have to pay for the additional transformer the electricF company would put on the pole, so I saw nothing to indicate "illegal",  just indications of "expensive".   ------------------------------    Date: 19 Apr 2001 12:05:48 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)25 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?+3 Message-ID: <Zpxlr9K8yOfx@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  i In article <s+3pOvgtD$rM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg) writes:   J > It is my understanding that the standard U.S. household feed is a singleG > phase nominal 220 to 240 Volts.  It is center tapped to ground at thehI > local distribution transformer, allowing two 110 to 120 volt legs to bet  > distributed through the house. > H > The maximum potential between a single wire and ground is about 120 V. > I > Beyond the transformer may vary by region, but since in the rural areasoI > where I can see the wires, only two lines are going to the distributionoJ > transformers on most residential streets.  This leads me to believe thatG > only a single phase is shared by that neighborhood from some upstreamo
 > feed point.e > F > Getting 3 phases to a house can mean requiring three wires from thatJ > upstream feed point.  Sharing the existing phase could present potentialI > balancing problems for the distribution point, as the expectation wouldt= > be that you have a significant load to justify the expense.  >  > F > Just following this thread has shown how much confusion there is out > there on electrical wiring.  > C > And do not take my word on how things are wired.  Look it up fromo > an authorative source.  A Your 120/240 description is correct, and you wisely avoided DeltakB vs. Wye descriptions for three-phase.  But, I did look up a sourceA authoritative for my neighborhood, the pole out front :-).  On my ? street there is a three phase (four wire) 13,800 volt main feedcA across the top of the poles (I thought 13,900 volts, but a repairrA crew corrected my assumption one day.  Every block or so there isnC a transformer (pole pig) taking one of those phases to reduce it ton= the 120/240 single phase (sometimes called "two phase" at 240t@ volts) feed for the next group of houses.  When I was growing upA the 120/240 volt feed was always three wires one above each other A from pole to pole, while the three phase wires were separate fromt5 each other between crossbars on the successive poles.-  > These days, in Massachusetts anyway, replacement 120/240 feeds; tend to have three wires twisted together while replacementa: three phase 13KV feeds tend to be separated on the corners8 of rectangular insulators about 8 inches diagonally.  My7 assumption is that this change is to resist damage fromt> ice storms, so your experience in Florida may be different :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:53:31 -0700.! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comn5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?aD Message-ID: <OF01EB8DB8.20864EB7-ON88256A33.005CBC03@foundation.com>  G In England or out here in the Colonies, I've never seen one that used 3  phase.   Shanea          D Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> on 04/19/2001 12:51:02 AM  ! Please respond to Jan Vorbrueggenn7       <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>o   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComP cc:   6 Subject:  Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?    ' bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) writes:e  4 > Especially after being told that you can't legally, > get 3-phase power to residences in the US.  J You're not allowed to have electric cooking ranges in the US? I have neverB seen one here in Germany that _doesn't_ require three-phase power.        Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:42:16 +0100s- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>$- Subject: Re: VAX Models : How to be specific?h) Message-ID: <3ADF0758.84E997E8@bbc.co.uk>f  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:   N >  (It's also a nice bit of trivia that they've got three VAX 7000 cabinets inL > a picture inside the flyer where the image has been reversed.  The consoleH > port is on the left had side of the cabinet and the writing is back to	 > front!)e >,  C Hey, I noticed that rtoo Steve, I was wondering if I needed and eyepI checkup at first :-). Looks like a mirror image has been printed, did theo@ VAX 7000 cabe have the logo on the left or right of the cabinet?  D I wonder what the cost of a refurbed VAX is compared to a new Alpha?     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uka  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofm MedAS or the BBC.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:03:12 +0100e. From: Trevor Blake <see.below@signature.block>( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS/ Message-ID: <3ADE9BC0.DB20AE2C@signature.block>y   Hi   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > 1 > In article <3ADDA730.80A5AC6D@signature.block>,u3 >  Trevor Blake <see.below@signature.block> writes:- > |> Hi  > |>E > |> Perhaps this might be of interest to you, I've mentioned it herefM > |> before.  I have written a NAT package that runs on VAX under UCX 4.x.  IXC > |> have connected my VAX direct to an ISP and used NAT to provideoM > |> transparent access to the internet from an Ethernet LAN connected to theg	 > |> VAX.y > E > Seems kind of overkill to use a VAX for this.  LinkSYS makes a nicetG > little box that goes between and ADSL or Cable modem and a Hub/SwitcheF > that has NAT/DHCP Server/FireWall (limited) and even setup for a DMZ( > machine all built into it.  Cheap too.    C Depends entirely on the users requirements.  If the objective is toiG connect the VAX to the ISP and the VAX has some spare capacity, then it6H might be considered overkill to buy an additional box, if the VAX can do
 it anyway.       > J > |>       The ISP connection can be via Serial line and analogue modem or > L > Somehow, I doubt that there are many peopl eleft trying to run an EthernetJ > with multiple machines over a dialup to the INTERNET.  Dialup can barelyH > support one machines traffic today.  And even with just one, you would% > find most websites unbearable slow.h    H In the UK, and I'm sure many other parts of the world, the vast majority@ of home ISP users connect via dialup line analogue modem.  In myG experience the speed of web browsing is often constrained by web server E load or network congestion not the speed of a dial up line, but yes agC dial up connection can be irritatingly slow.  Being able to connect-D multiple MACHINES via NAT on one dial up line however can be a greatF benefit, as it provides Internet access at each machine without havingG to redial/reconnect when moving from one machine to another.   MultipleeH USERS/Activities via one dial up line however can be painfully slow, butF it is workable.  For better performance the NAT package will work with) Ethernet and some form of DSL connection.      > J > |> Ethernet and DSL modem but it does require a fixed IP address, as UCX > I > The LinkSYS supports DHCP Client on the WAN side and DHCP server on the8J > LAN side.  No financial interest, but I have set up a couple of them nowH > and they beat the socks off the 386/486 based router boxes we had been! > using for faculty home subnets.e  E Yes UCX 4.x does not have a DHCP client hence you must use a fixed IPdF address, which is a significant limitation.  I've heard several peopleH recommend the LinkSYS box and if it suits the users requirements then it# would probably be a good way to go.o     Regards, Trevorm     >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   -- r Regards,  Trevor Blake  H You can reach me at: trevorXblakeZbaesystemsXcom  but replace X Z X by . @ .   A Disclaimer:   Don't believe a word, 'cause words are only spoken rF               And lies are no comfort, when there's tears in your eyes   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:05:21 +0100-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS8 Message-ID: <rmgtdt4il2n5qjm7kpkb7g1u0q07ar5frp@4ax.com>  0 On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:03:12 +0100, Trevor Blake" <see.below@signature.block> wrote:   >:I >In the UK, and I'm sure many other parts of the world, the vast majority6A >of home ISP users connect via dialup line analogue modem.  In my1H >experience the speed of web browsing is often constrained by web serverF >load or network congestion not the speed of a dial up line, but yes a  E Although this is a common view I seriously contest it as 99% of sites D will easily fill a 1Mbit/sec connection with data during typical webC browsing and downloads *if and only if* you have a good (preferablynC US) ISP backbone connection and decent settlings for IP mtu, windowrD size etc. Early versions of Windows dial up networking have terribleB defaults thus all the ads for "speed up your internet connection".> Network congestion at your ISP kills your performance. NetworkD congestion at the hosted sites ISP kills all performance stone dead.F For instance I am in the UK but we have a 1Mbit/sec connection via our@ corporate Intanet connection to the US. I can download at aroundD 800k/sec from several US sites which my dialup ISP can't even fill aF 56k modem with. However many other US sites seem to run at full speedsB with no packet drop suggesting transatlantic capacity is fine. I'mC fairly sure routing tables are non optimal for many UK ISPs whether   due to politics or incompetence.  D >dial up connection can be irritatingly slow.  Being able to connectE >multiple MACHINES via NAT on one dial up line however can be a great G >benefit, as it provides Internet access at each machine without havingdH >to redial/reconnect when moving from one machine to another.   MultipleI >USERS/Activities via one dial up line however can be painfully slow, butmG >it is workable.  For better performance the NAT package will work withD* >Ethernet and some form of DSL connection. >n >t >> <K >> |> Ethernet and DSL modem but it does require a fixed IP address, as UCX. >> rJ >> The LinkSYS supports DHCP Client on the WAN side and DHCP server on theK >> LAN side.  No financial interest, but I have set up a couple of them now I >> and they beat the socks off the 386/486 based router boxes we had beeno" >> using for faculty home subnets. >mF >Yes UCX 4.x does not have a DHCP client hence you must use a fixed IPG >address, which is a significant limitation.  I've heard several people I >recommend the LinkSYS box and if it suits the users requirements then it'$ >would probably be a good way to go. >t >  >Regards, Trevor >  >o >> s >> billd >> s >> --iM >> Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves G >> bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.l >> University of Scranton   |uA >> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:55:18 -0400g8 From: "Island Computers US Corp" <dbturner@islandco.com>$ Subject: Re: VMS friendly website???/ Message-ID: <tdtrgcnendgg70@news.supernews.com>w   Paul  L You know you could always stay with Alpha and get a Tru64 5.1 non-commercial license for $99vK Works great on Alpha..... if you know what I mean, nudge nudge.. wink wink,p say no more!   DT   -- Island Computers US Corporationi 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150e Savannah GA 31404r Tel: 912 447 6622a Fax: 912 201 0096t sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential andaJ may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intendede
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete this- message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyingK of this message is prohibited.    - "Paul Sture" <paul@sture.ch> wrote in messages% news:VA.00000363.012e454e@sture.ch...tF > In article <OF6638166F.1EE11D9D-ON88256A32.00653C3A@foundation.com>, wrote:% > > From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comr) > > Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:28:15 -0700i( > > Subject: Re: VMS friendly website???" > > To: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> > > Cc: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > >. > >hD > > Check out the "Spyware Infested Software List". The freeware, orJ > > advertising version of Opera includes the Cydoor spyware. Your surfing= > > habits are being watched and fed back to the advertisers.o > >u > > You can find the list at: > > http://www.infoforce.qc.ca/spyware/enknownlistfrm.html > >r > Thanks mucho for _that_ tip! >wE > I've been getting paranoid about my setup here of late. When I exith NetscapeG > on NT lo and behold the lights on my ISDN hub router come on and it's < > dialling out - destination some address owned by Netscape. >aK > Then on Sunday, the ISDN setup was reporting that my _Alpha_ was dialling E > out. _Repeatedly_ until I killed my NT box. I suspect something wasa somehowcI > spoofing my Alpha address, at least until the connection was initiated.( Yes,D > I've got ZoneAlarm and eSafe on this box, but I'm still not happy. > L > It _really is_ time to get off Windows, simply so that I have control overL > what goes on - it's not only my phone bill, but the privacy thing as well. >sI > I've still got NT at work for stuff I can't otherwise read, but screwedt down' > tightly and behind a firewall or two.h >iI > In fact I nearly ordered a Sunblade 100 today. DON'T tell Andrew, but IYI > figured that rather than pursuing Linux (I don't like the smug types innD > those newsgroups either), Solaris could be of some value workwise. >a > __ > Paul Sture >h >C   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Apr 2001 09:00 CSTa' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)-< Subject: Way off topic... (was Re: Why is this a Bad Thing?)- Message-ID: <19APR200109004391@gerg.tamu.edu>a  1 Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> writes... & }On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Bill Todd wrote:H }> Why is it that the most clueless individuals are always the ones most# }> certain of their misconceptions?C }> t } E }I'm afraid I can't answer that question, but indeed they query does o }underscore a UniversalT Truth.o  C Recent studies have indicated a very simple reason for this sort ofcE thing. Being competent takes skill. Recognizing competence, includingaD one's own (or lack thereof) also takes skill. It turns out that they@ are essentially the *same* skill. In order to correctly estimateC degrees of competence in some area you have to have some competenceaA in that area. Thus the incompetent not only do not have the skill@@ itself, they also do not have the skill needed to know that theyD are incompetent. The studies indicate that the incompetent routinelyD vastly overestimate their ability relative to others. These studies,D which basically involve giving a test to groups of people and askingD them how well they thought they did relative to everybody else, alsoD indiate that the incompetent don't properly adjust the estimation ofE their own ability even if you show them a set of other people's testswB with a range of scores from very poor to very good - in fact, as IB recall, after seeing these tests they tend to incorrectly increaseE their opinion of how well they did to an even higher degree (probably @ because they notice that the others often have different answers= than they gave and they are incorrectly assuming that most ofnA their own answers are correct, thus everybody else must have donen worse than they did).t  4 So being incompetent is actually a quadruple whammy:  $ 1) They don't have the skill itself.  D 2) They don't have the skill to know that they don't have the skill.  F 3) They don't have the skill to correctly judge whether or not anybody    else has the skill either.a  ? 4) If presented with evidence of their incompetence, there is a B    good chance that they will incorrectly interpret this evidence.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:37:36 +0100n0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>> Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)* Message-ID: <3ADE95C0.DB981BFD@uk.sun.com>   Alan Greig wrote:s > @ > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:47:00 -0700, <tsmurphy@addr.com> wrote: > K > >There is absolutely no way that VMS/Tru64 make up billions of dollars ofiJ > >profit per year. Absolutely no chance whatsoever. There are a couple of' > >different ways you can look at this:o > >tJ > >1. In '00, Dell made $2.3 billion in profit (selling absolutely nothingO > >besides PC's) and Compaq made less than $0.6 billion. Since Compaq's PC unittL > >is even bigger than Dell's, the only plausible explanation is that CompaqH > >PC's division made $2.3 billion or more in profit and Compaq's non-PCM > >division (Tandem & DEC stuff) lost $1.7 billion or more (after all, CompaqlN > >is nothing more than Dell with an unprofitable and inefficient 'enterprise' > >unit kludged on). > @ > This is a troll right? If not and people really do believe theE > completely uninformed nonsense you've spouted above it is no wonderb! > the industry is in such a mess.  >  > >tN > >2. DEC historically made very little money from VMS/Tru64. The company lost >  > hahahahahahah! >   F This could well be true if you factor the costs of the Alpha processorC development and the Alpha fab(s) into the equation. I am sure that k@ the OpenVMS and Tru64 business units did make profits, but that ? balance sheet did not include the Alpha processor losses which f> added into the equation would show a much more neutral figure.   Regardsh Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:46:18 +0100o. From: Roger@natron.demon.co.uk (Roger Barnett)> Subject: Re: Why is this a Bad Thing? (was: Future Computing.)- Message-ID: <811968773wnr@natron.demon.co.uk>t  G Given that NT is now on minimum maintenance only (no more Service PackswJ - yay !) any VMS-type mods will have to be in XP - quite possible since XPB is where Microsoft moves into content management and user control.   --  
 Roger Barnettl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:54:56 +0200s! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>h5 Subject: [BUG?] FREEWARE CD MENU: license expired :-(f& Message-ID: <3ADEEE30.7FB6F4A9@ims.ch>  M I have version 3 of the OpenVMS FREEWARE CD. When starting the menu, I get anrL error message about an expired license for the menu program, and an "Abort." conclusion.n  % 1. should I ask for a license? Where? & 2. do I really need that menu program? 3. how can I ALTAVISt the CD?-   Thanks,-   D. --   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:52:15 -0400c. From: warren sander <warren.sander@compaq.com>9 Subject: Re: [BUG?] FREEWARE CD MENU: license expired :-(d* Message-ID: <3ADF09AF.436EDEEC@compaq.com>  @ go to http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/cd_fix.html   it's explained there   Didier Morandi wrote:.  O > I have version 3 of the OpenVMS FREEWARE CD. When starting the menu, I get annN > error message about an expired license for the menu program, and an "Abort."
 > conclusion.  > ' > 1. should I ask for a license? Where?e( > 2. do I really need that menu program? > 3. how can I ALTAVISt the CD?a >r	 > Thanks,  >t > D. > --   ------------------------------   Date: 19 Apr 2001 11:05 CSTt' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)i9 Subject: Re: [BUG?] FREEWARE CD MENU: license expired :-(n- Message-ID: <19APR200111051232@gerg.tamu.edu>-   Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch writes...eN }I have version 3 of the OpenVMS FREEWARE CD. When starting the menu, I get anM }error message about an expired license for the menu program, and an "Abort."7 }conclusion. } & }1. should I ask for a license? Where?' }2. do I really need that menu program?y }3. how can I ALTAVISt the CD? }  }Thanks, }  }D.t }--y  < The contents of a newer version of the CD than yout have are available via the web at:a  1 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/index.htmle   Just get what you need there.a  = Including the fix for the error you are getting, if it is theeA "*** Your INTOUCH license has expired. ***" error. (You just havel3 to set two symbols in DCL before you run the menu.)w  @ (But you don't actually need the menu program - it just makes it easier to browse the CD.)a   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:56:53 +0200.! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>l7 Subject: [BUG] wrong APACHE file location after installe& Message-ID: <3ADF0AC5.AF92DF01@ims.ch>  ) I'm trying to install APACHE for OpenVMS:-   $ set def sys$manager1
 $ dir apa*   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]o   APACHE$CONFIG.COM;1    Total of 1 file. $ @apache$config         :                 Compaq HTTP Server Configuration Procedure         ?         This procedure helps you define the parameters and the oD         operating environment required to run the Compaq HTTP Server$         for OpenVMS on this system. 9 ERROR: Required OpenVMS APACHE$WWW account does not existTP ERROR: Missing required command procedure: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]APACHE$ADDUSER.CO M  %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort    @ Actually, the APACHE$ADDUSER.COM is not in sys$manager, it is in! SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.APACHE]e   (also sent to nobody)s   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 11:31:46 +0200 ! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> : Subject: [DOC UPDATE] TCP/IP FTP error doc with UCX string& Message-ID: <3ADEB082.B1BB74E8@ims.ch>  + Under OpenVMS 7.2-1, the following command:e   $ help/mess ftp_noinet   gives the following result:t  =  FTP_NOINET,  internet is not active - bring up network firstn  !   Facility:     TCPIP, FTP Server   L   Explanation:  If Internet is not up and running, the UCX$INET_HOST logicalL                 name will not be defined or the logical has been deassigned./                 (Error seen in the FTP client.)i  >   User Action:  Make sure that network communication is active  ; The text should read "the TCPIP$INET_HOST logical" instead.   " Also sent to openvmsdoc@compaq.com   D. -- l6 MORANDI Consultants, Swiss Quality Computer Consulting6 avenue de Granges-Paccot 2, 1700 Fribourg  Switzerland1     Tel: +41.79.705.46.70 - Fax: +41.26.465.13.58e4  Visit our Web site at http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:52:08 +0200g! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>i  Subject: [Q] Free VMS WEB Server& Message-ID: <3ADEED88.B174E5DD@ims.ch>  M Where can I find a free WEB server for OpenVMS any version, please? I found aaH DECthread-based product but the URL for the distrib location goes to nl:   Thanks,M   D.  K ps: Thank you, Hoff, for having taught me that I can do CGI with DCL... :-)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:02:16 +0200n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> $ Subject: Re: [Q] Free VMS WEB Server) Message-ID: <3ADEEFE8.CA0A4891@gtech.com>r   Didier Morandi wrote: O > Where can I find a free WEB server for OpenVMS any version, please? I found auJ > DECthread-based product but the URL for the distrib location goes to nl:  ? You have many options - the most used are OSU, WASD and Apache.   ? There are links at http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_inet.htmlx !r   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 18:06:17 +0200i! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> $ Subject: Re: [Q] Free VMS WEB Server& Message-ID: <3ADF0CF9.FD748C58@ims.ch>  J $ mail/subj="Apache HTTP Server Version 1.3 up and running on XYZ" nl: all   Thanks,  D. h   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > Didier Morandi wrote:eQ > > Where can I find a free WEB server for OpenVMS any version, please? I found anL > > DECthread-based product but the URL for the distrib location goes to nl: > A > You have many options - the most used are OSU, WASD and Apache.. > A > There are links at http://www.levitte.org/~ava/vms_inet.htmlx !k >  > Arne   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.219 ************************--------  % Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:05:21 +0100-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ( Subject: Re: VMS and NAT routers and DNS8 Message-ID: <rmgtdt4il2n5qjm7kpkb7g1u0q07ar5frp@	 B      L8 C   ]0yZk   0 B    G  #k#  ~( ^0 ^8 ~@ GG   = ] B8"	  "q "4G [ @Zk G4  =  ""1"TG0B8boZk  C  C   "1" ]  }G0 B8 b7{Zk 4GPBXbzhZk  L  4GG\b#@C"! L C "10 BB2 4GG( ]0 ]8 }@ P #k#  ~  ^( ^0 GG  Cb#_  C    0b#"_ b#y_  C