1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 22 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 225       Contents:, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor ExposedP Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Z=FCrich?= Tech Seminar (was: London, England	Technical	Techn! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) ! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)  Re: DCPS and JetDirect cards...  Re: DECNet IV or DECNet V? Re: DECNet IV or DECNet V?D DTJ location [and question]  was: Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?H Re: DTJ location [and question]  was: Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG  mpack and munpack for the alpha # Re: mpack and munpack for the alpha  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version2 Re: R.I.P. FTP.WKU.EDU.  Long live FTP.PROCESS.COM, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, RE: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?@ Using older versions of VMS (was: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)) Re: WIS... RIP???  Re: WIS... RIP???  Re: WIS... RIP???  Re: [NOISE] gum or gun?  Re: [NOISE] gum or gun?  Re: [NOISE] gum or gun? 3 Re: [Q] Making Perl work with CSWS - Solution found   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:26:56 -0400 - From: daytripper <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> 5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed 8 Message-ID: <ufv5etsv0je7tipgjcge3bbvlolph2omt6@4ax.com>  A On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 06:00:29 GMT, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:  >cjt & trefoil wrote:  > F >> To crossover threads slightly with another one here on comp.os.vms,E >> is it going to require a three phase power converter to drive one?  > O >If you mean the ES45 , the answer is no AFAIK. It looks very much like a ES40, N >and that runs on single phase 230V of here in Europe. Although it can have upM >to 4 (?) power supplies, and it is possible to connect the power supplies to K >different phases. So in case one phase goes down, you can keep the machine N >running on the other phase. Over here a 19" cabinet usualy has 2 power cablesO >with 32A CEE form single phase plugs coming from its switchbox, and we connect " >these cables to different phases.  ' fwiw, wrt es4x rack or pedestal units:    L - up to three "bulk" power supplies; and anything bigger than a quad *needs*M two supplies, with the third providing n+1 current sharing front-end beasties 	 per crate   K - depending on memory population & #processors, each (of up to three) cords M into an ES4x crate can draw enough power that (for most services) it actually 6 *requires* the use of a unique mains branch per cord.   M - and unless *three* substation sources converge at the crate, only uni's and N duals could ever hope to obtain 100% mains redundancy (artifact of the triplesH and quad's requiring two supplies be *always* functional). With only two> station  service, you'd be rolling the dice on every blackout.  G btw, to the person that asked: any >1g CuEV is a bitch to air-cool in a K daughterboard (ala es4x) configuration. You really wouldn't want to drop an  ES45 heat sink on your foot...  5 /daytripper ("long" in aluminum and copper shares ;-)    >  >> Terry C Shannon wrote:  >> >* >> > On 20 Apr 2001, Paul Repacholi wrote: >> >6 >> > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >> > > >> > > > Dirk Munk wrote:  >> > >M >> > > > > We know that 1.6 GHz alpha's already were in existence more than a L >> > > > > year ago. So producing a reliable 1 GHz system should be possibleM >> > > > > by know. AFAIK the 1.01 GHz ES45 should be out in a few weeks from  >> > > > > now.  >> > >& >> > > That is good news, if it is so. >> > >L >> > Alas, it does not appear to be the way things are gonna be. ES45s do inK >> > fact exist (have seen same, back in January IIRC) but the original May I >> > launch date has been pushed out to 4CQ01. Apparently it's supply and L >> > demand: all the early system orders have been placed by HPTC customers,D >> > and CPQ can't satisfy the existing orders until late this year. >> >M >> > Rather than announce now and deliver in November, CPQ chose to delay the N >> > announcement. There obviously is more to the matter than just speeding upI >> > the assembly lines, else CPQ would be doing just that. Especially in 3 >> > light of what's happening in the Wintel space.  >> >L >> > > BTW, anyone know the details of the package for the new 264? It seems; >> > > to be quite a change from what has been used so far.  >> > > >> >N >> > Well, it weighs more than its predecessor and it's larger. Also difficult8 >> > to de-lid or peel apart as was done for the photos. >> >M >> > This is the second version of EV68B I've seen. The one that fell into my D >> > hands back in October Y2K did not have pins stickin' out of it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:43:10 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> Y Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Z=FCrich?= Tech Seminar (was: London, England	Technical	Techn , Message-ID: <3AE27D7E.B243B51E@infopuls.com>   Didier Morandi wrote:  >  > yes yes yes yes and... YES.  >  > D. > 079-705.46.70  >  > Christof Brass wrote:  > > D > > I'm living in Zrich and would be glad to organise something for? > > our VMS friends visiting our small city and coming from far 	 > > away.  > > Is there any interest?3 > > Would others from the Zrich area like to join?   = Great. I'll start a new thread on Monday for asking people to 
 register. :-)    ------------------------------   Date: 22 Apr 2001 08:54:28 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) * Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA). Message-ID: <32Ayoj+piSRe@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  [ In article <3AE2500C.38582C4D@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > Wayne Sewell wrote:      [stuff deleted]   : >> If people weren't so adamant about running ridiculouslyR >> ancient versions and demanding full support anyway, this wouldn't be that great& >> a factor.  Unfortunately, they are. > E > I'm sure you realize, of course, that this is frequently not within B > their control. The application software vendors have either gone9 > belly-up or have been assimilated and/or moved to UN*X.  > H > Remember all the software that broke at the V5.1/V5.2 boundary? ...the > V6.2/V7.x boundary?  > J > When you're binary only and/or have no source code and/or can't VEST theD > programs and/or can't replace the app. on another o.s., staying at/ > V5.5-2 or V6.2 or V7.1-x is your only option.  >       K Yes, I understand.  However, there are also many cases of "we don't want to K make any changes", "we don't know how to make changes", etc.  Those are the  people I'm complaining about.     J Every time I hear "it works fine the way it is", it makes we want to puke.    O Because these same people then turn around and say, "however, we'd like to have H new application x and application y and application z run on our system,K despite the fact that these use system services that don't exist on our old  crappy version."    N So it becomes a case of "it works fine the way it is, except for this and this and this and this."    Lowest common denominator shit.   K A perfect example is the persona system services.  I've been wanting to use N these for years, but they didn't appear until 6.2 and the customers on 6.1 andM earlier prevented their use.  Oh, there could have been two sets of code, one J old and one new, but the whole point was to get rid of the old code in theO product to handle the persona functionality, which was somewhat error prone and 5 difficult to use (I didn't write it; before my time).   O Finally, the decision was made to archive the current version of the product to N keep for these people.  6.2 is now our minimum version for new releases of theJ product, which allows me to use the persona services and some of the otherK advances since the Dawn of Man.  Those who can't or won't use a non-ancient N version of vms can continue to use an equally elderly version of the product. N Bug fixes only, not that many bugs are likely to crop up in a frozen version. > No new features ever, but these people should be used to that.      E > A point I've been trying to make for years now, but lack the proper H > words to express, is best summed up in this excerpt from a note I sent' > to Richard Marcello not so long ago:   > B >> It's always been said that the CSA (nee ASAP) program provides H >> "affordable" hardware and software to developers and other ISVs. The G >> part that's missing, of course, is the market for any products that  B >> would-be developers and ISVs might produce. Without affordable D >> licensing for end-users of OpenVMS, there will be no market and, $ >> therefore, no developers or ISVs. > I > If someone knows a better, more convincing or more effective way to say  > that, I'm all ears.  >     K I'm actually kind of surprised.  This is the first indication I've had that E anyone in compaq even recognized/understood/acknowledged the problem.   E Of course, *doing* something about it is an entirely different thing.    Wayne    --  O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:04:54 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)& Message-ID: <3AE30126.215A5CF@fsi.net>   Wayne Sewell wrote:  > ] > In article <3AE2500C.38582C4D@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > Wayne Sewell wrote:  >  > [stuff deleted]  > < > >> If people weren't so adamant about running ridiculouslyT > >> ancient versions and demanding full support anyway, this wouldn't be that great( > >> a factor.  Unfortunately, they are. > > G > > I'm sure you realize, of course, that this is frequently not within D > > their control. The application software vendors have either gone; > > belly-up or have been assimilated and/or moved to UN*X.  > > J > > Remember all the software that broke at the V5.1/V5.2 boundary? ...the > > V6.2/V7.x boundary?  > > L > > When you're binary only and/or have no source code and/or can't VEST theF > > programs and/or can't replace the app. on another o.s., staying at1 > > V5.5-2 or V6.2 or V7.1-x is your only option.  > >  > M > Yes, I understand.  However, there are also many cases of "we don't want to M > make any changes", "we don't know how to make changes", etc.  Those are the  > people I'm complaining about.  > L > Every time I hear "it works fine the way it is", it makes we want to puke.  D The trouble is that it rapidly becomes a trap. After they lose theirF migration path, they either lose their VMS people, or their VMS peopleE lose their VMS expertise having been assimilated or moved to UN*X, or  ...    Then, as you said, ...  I > ...there are also many cases of ... "we don't know how to make changes"   E See? It's not their fault. They've followed the path set forth by the G previous DEC/Compaq administrations and this is where they've been led.   5 You can't blame the sheep for following the shepherd.   Q > Because these same people then turn around and say, "however, we'd like to have J > new application x and application y and application z run on our system,M > despite the fact that these use system services that don't exist on our old  > crappy version."  H Well, "crappy" tends to be a subjective viewpoint. V5.5-2 for VAX is, inG some ways, more stable than V7.2-1 for Alpha. It really depends on what  you want/need.   P > So it becomes a case of "it works fine the way it is, except for this and this > and this and this."   : ...which brings us back to the old vendor attrition issue.   ! > Lowest common denominator shit.    That may be a bit harsh.    > [snip]G > > A point I've been trying to make for years now, but lack the proper J > > words to express, is best summed up in this excerpt from a note I sent( > > to Richard Marcello not so long ago: > > C > >> It's always been said that the CSA (nee ASAP) program provides I > >> "affordable" hardware and software to developers and other ISVs. The H > >> part that's missing, of course, is the market for any products thatC > >> would-be developers and ISVs might produce. Without affordable E > >> licensing for end-users of OpenVMS, there will be no market and, & > >> therefore, no developers or ISVs. > > K > > If someone knows a better, more convincing or more effective way to say  > > that, I'm all ears.  > >  > M > I'm actually kind of surprised.  This is the first indication I've had that G > anyone in compaq even recognized/understood/acknowledged the problem.  > G > Of course, *doing* something about it is an entirely different thing.    Agreed, whole heartedly!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 00:31:29 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA)- Message-ID: <87u23gnbfi.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ? wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) writes:   8 > In article <VA.0000036d.00d31e26@sture.ch>, Paul Sture > <paul@sture.ch> writes:   @ > > In article <3ADEF8D9.AD6C300E@gtech.com>, Arne Vajhj wrote:   > >> Rudolf Wingert wrote:  E > >> > I can't believe that. Should we the last one who needs OpenVMS E > >> > workstations?  We are an institute for image understanding and F > >> > pattern recognition and do need powerfull workstations, such as@ > >> > XP1000 as single user workstation, over DS20 to ES40 as aD > >> > workstation for imagesequence computing (hundreds of GBs). IfD > >> > Compaq would no longer produce a OpenVMS workstation, OpenVMS > >> > will die!!!!   F > >> I 100% agree that VMS should continue to have work-sttaions. I amC > >> just saying that the number of VMS work-stations sold to sites @ > >> where they have only work-stations are very very small. VMSA > >> work-stations are today usually sold to sites where they hav > > >> emany bigger systems. And this is actually the key in theB > >> argument for VMS work-stations. Compaq may not make that muchE > >> money on the VS10's and XP1000 with VMS, but they may loose huge ; > >> sales of GS'es and ES'es, if the work-stations are not A > >> there. They need a complete array of different size systems.   D On the NASA thread. At GSFC, there are a heap of images from the newC generation ERS stuff. These are going to generate HUGE data set; TM $ resolution and 200+ spectral bands!!  D Now some may want to beat the head against a billbox of unix, but to@ my rather jaundised eye, this seems to be a near perfect fit forD showcasing VMS. NASA, huge data volumes, sexy graphics stuff, tailor to locals...  F > > I use my VMS workstation to manage several clusters and standaloneD > > systems. It is simple logic. If my workstation breaks, I can useC > > my VMS expertise to fix it, and have colleagues on hand to help B > > me.  An NT box doing that role means that if it breaks I would? > > have to call the helpdesk, have them raise a ticket, assign ! > > someone to the job and so on.   D > Not to mention that the billybox is a hundred times more likely to2 > break than a vms workstation in the first place.  A > As has been mentioned many times in threads such as this, third B > parties need smaller vms machines for development and testing ofF > software.  Only Oracle and the other giants can afford to develop onD > Wildfire systems.  Small systems are especially important when youE > talk about testing, because they make it easier to test on multipleeA > architectures and operating system versions in a more efficientoB > manner.  If people weren't so adamant about running ridiculouslyF > ancient versions and demanding full support anyway, this wouldn't be0 > that great a factor.  Unfortunately, they are.  ) (The ERS stuff is mentioned in slashdot.)i   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.e@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:18:39 -0400p From: Ray <lists@aik.tec.sc.us>o( Subject: Re: DCPS and JetDirect cards...- Message-ID: <3AE3126F.DD89F3F4@aik.tec.sc.us>e   Hi Brad,  E Only the early HP printers had XIO slots (HP II and III).  So any newsG HP printer you buy today with Jetdirect cards should be Bi-Directional. H Most of them will work (to some extent) with DCPS even if not supported H if you just tell DCPS it is a Postscript printer.  The only unsupported 9 ones that have given me trouble have been the color ones.-   Ray-   "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:  >  > Hi,  > H > I'm new to DCPS, and I am a little confused by the following paragraph > in the system manager's doc: > l > >To communicate with your printer using raw TCP/IP, the NIC, print server, or terminal server that you usel > >to connect your printer to the network must provide a raw TCP/IP port. Further, this raw TCP/IP port mustb > >support bi-directional communication between the printer and your OpenVMS system. DCPS does notk > >work with unidirectional ports, such as those found on the NICs for the DEClaser 3500 and 5100 printers,2n > >the RapidPrint 200, and Hewlett-Packard JetDirect cards that interface with the printer via its XIO (versus
 > >MIO) slot.  >  > Does this mean:n > 7 > JetDirect cards that use the MIO slot work with DCPS?g > J > JetDirect cards are bi-directional by default, if they use the MIO slot? > 	 > Thanks,l > Brad   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:56:46 GMTe5 From: danco@cx48228-c.escnd1.sdca.home.com (Dan Cook) # Subject: Re: DECNet IV or DECNet V?;- Message-ID: <slrn9e5skp.2e2.danco@pebble.org>u  5 On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:40:44 -0500, David J. Dachterat <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  H >I believe Multinet supports TCP/IP over DECnet-IV, but that there is no4 >"magic" available to provide DECnet-IV over TCP/IP.  9 I'm using Multinet to do DECnet-IV over TCP/IP right now.s   - Dane   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:20:43 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>%# Subject: Re: DECNet IV or DECNet V?i' Message-ID: <3AE304DB.592A2C26@fsi.net>e   Dan Cook wrote:l > 7 > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:40:44 -0500, David J. Dachtera   > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote: > J > >I believe Multinet supports TCP/IP over DECnet-IV, but that there is no6 > >"magic" available to provide DECnet-IV over TCP/IP. > ; > I'm using Multinet to do DECnet-IV over TCP/IP right now.i  = I never get that right ... but then I have no call for either>G Dnet-TCP/IP or TCP/IP-Dnet. So, I wouldn't know except for what I read.z   -- n David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systems> http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/>  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:23:00 GMT,B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>M Subject: DTJ location [and question]  was: Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?y4 Message-ID: <EzDE6.956$QV4.72444@www.newsranger.com>  L On 22 Apr 2001 00:27:18 +0800, in article <87r8ymnrq1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote:  > 4 >"David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >c >> Paul Repacholi wrote: >> > [snip]aF >> > Oh yes... Go get the original Alpha papers, the ones on Alpha and> >> > Beta.  Read and grok the comments on the intel chipset... >>   >> ...and the URL is ... ??? > H >They were in /pub/dtj (or DTJ) on gatekeeper. Now another MIA it seems. >e >Anyone have a current pointer?n >e >-- = >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,s8 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076e/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.m  < A search at www.compaq.com for DTJ reveals that they are at:  3 http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/,  G However, I am _much_ more interested in knowing what else could be in auK location called "DECarchives". There does not seem to be a index.htm[l] andiM directory listings are forbidden. I've sent a question using the web commentseN form at wrl, but based on prior experience with Compaq and web comments forms,& I don't know if a reply will appear...   Simon.   -- d; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPiJ 'The statement that "it can never happen" is not an acceptable programmingH approach. You must assume it can happen and be in control when it does.'=           -- Ada 95 Quality and Style Guidelines, US DoD AJPO    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:52:38 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>(Q Subject: Re: DTJ location [and question]  was: Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?R( Message-ID: <9bv5ns$t6d$1@pyrite.mv.net>  G "Simon Clubley" <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> wrote in 6 message news:EzDE6.956$QV4.72444@www.newsranger.com...   ...w  > > A search at www.compaq.com for DTJ reveals that they are at: > 5 > http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/e > I > However, I am _much_ more interested in knowing what else could be in asI > location called "DECarchives". There does not seem to be a index.htm[l]f and F > directory listings are forbidden. I've sent a question using the web commentsI > form at wrl, but based on prior experience with Compaq and web comments. forms,( > I don't know if a reply will appear...  K Back when it was still research.digital.com, the research organizations hadaH Web sites one could wander around in.  A large number of research papersL were available (e.g., the Echo, Petal, and Frangipani stuff, for those of us interested in file systems).  L A quick glance at the WRL site indicates that it still allows such browsing.L While by no means definitive, the list of current research topics and recentG papers at least suggests a drastic dumbing-down of its activities (ItsytL pocket computers and 'lifestyle computing' having replaced far more esotericK topics).  The SRC by contrast seems still active in more diverse areas, but @ unfortunately even a very recent paper I wanted to look at had aC gatekeeper.dec.com link that wasn't functional (though items on thei+ ftp.digital.com site were still reachable).m   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2001 09:43:05 -00004 From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]>2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG6 Message-ID: <20010422094305.15034.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  G On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:l >Alan Greig wrote: >> t >> Terry C Shannon wrote:  >>  N >> > There have been some changes on CPQ's BCSG org chart. The changes involveO >> > the realignment and focusing of the Alpha-centric High Performance SystemspM >> > business. At first glance these changes appear to be positive for Alpha,a# >> > OpenVMS, and Tru64 UNIX users.a >> >K >> > I expect that Mike Magee will have some details on www.theinquirer.net  >> > later today.s >> fP >> And I've received email from the formerly evil one Mike Winkler in reponse toP >> my comments on lack of mention of VMS in the "Where Compaq is headed" sectionM >> of Inform. He says that where VMS is concerned "he has found religion" andiM >> that from now on he will make sure VMS features prominently and that he ism> >> looking to growing the VMS base and is open to suggestions. > % >...and his e-mail address is ... ???   C A word of warning, don't post email addresses in the newsgroup. Thee spambots will get 'em.  D >> One thing you can say about Compaq is, unlike DEC, they appear to >> listen. Event >> if you do have to shout.e >aE >Well, we've been talking, preaching, shouting, etc. about AffordableoE >OpenVMS for a *VERY* long time, even before the hobbyist program wasr
 >proposed.  G I certainly think that a cut in licensing costs would give sales a real G shot in the arm. However, I doubt if the current economic climate wouldtF make it seem like a wise move to the top people. They'll take a lot ofE convincing. There may be more hope of getting an improved educationaltH programme in place. If so, I'd take that as a strong indication of there. being a long-term strategy being put in place.  P >> Congratulations to Rich Marcello and the team on all the positive news you'veP >> been able to spread to the VMS community over the last year or two. It hasn't> >> all been plain sailing but then it was never going to be... > G >True - but purposely steering so the wind is against you hardly helps,= >either. >l >I second the congratulations. >pH >However, to change metaphors, I just hope that someone finds the clutchI >pedal soon so we can get out of "creeper drive" and kick into OVERDRIVE!rF >From there, it's just "pedal to the metal" and hang on for dear life!   We can hope.  # And my congratulations to Rich too..     Doc.. (Still looking for that OpenVMS TV ad though!)   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----e Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBOuIQ8sriC3SGiziTAQGC+wf/d+/DpQLTKW8aMLml2pyYBiASlyVfr3j3@ YnKAwTzreQ/h57HDT+208RJAdCgfWmRHiHm+KVRs/XBQa6nlmocnN8ptTaZxX550@ 3DLeJSdOCml+FX0sPUoem6yrzT9SH/5xPwQ+KRT6hmEI7VQWU0r1xghibVY8zbpC@ kKSgWAQTTPIhQ3ynFKLETMIcSOp4eMrosc7iYVhAvdPLYyjWIlI7L5Qdjn4S0CMF@ JYjk5qdrgOZpM1Cb2/MzEMjBTLxPPjHef35Sw2nNV8IdLHan8CfA1CQreRpEbBq68 8Wb4h1evhlL15vKK82NBx/se7RvqMNXHbA21GyNTP6vrse/cJVwcmQ== =0ndG  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----p   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:12:13 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG' Message-ID: <3AE302DD.B01E087A@fsi.net>d   "Doc.Cypher" wrote:  > [snip]I > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:2
 > > [snip]' > >...and his e-mail address is ... ???u > E > A word of warning, don't post email addresses in the newsgroup. Thee > spambots will get 'em.  B Feel free to mung the address as necessary ... spell it backwards,E replace punctuation with words, add obviously extraneous information,a- ... whatever. This is common knowledge, also.r   -- b David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:17:57 -0400d' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>r2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG( Message-ID: <9bv3mp$rgu$1@pyrite.mv.net>  A "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in messagem0 news:20010422094305.15034.qmail@nym.alias.net...   ..."  I > I certainly think that a cut in licensing costs would give sales a real I > shot in the arm. However, I doubt if the current economic climate wouldo2 > make it seem like a wise move to the top people.  C That really ought to depend on whether they're currently making any F non-negligible profit on the lowest-end systems:  if not, then there'sL nothing significant to lose, as long as they don't take a noticeable loss on each system.  G People have occasionally conjectured that having too low an entry-level F price could cause cannibalization of higher-end systems by clusters ofL low-end systems, but that could be limited by fiat (enforced in the code) ifC necessary - and they've already started offering clustering sub-setlB functionality at lower prices (though how useful that is may be in
 question).  G The real problem at this point may be hardware pricing:  as long as theoJ hardware platform costs at least twice as much as a high-quality Intel (orK better, AMD) platform of somewhat similar capabilities, it's not clear thatsH the VMS license pricing is all that much out of line, though reducing itJ wouldn't hurt (again, assuming there's currently not enough volume in that( segment to generate much profit anyway).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:31:08 +0200t" From: "Carel Beijers" <ctb@iae.nl>( Subject: mpack and munpack for the alpha( Message-ID: <9bu8d5$o0r$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  E Does anyone has a version of mpack.exe and munpack.exe for the Alpha?eK I can only find the VAX version on the OpenVMS freeware CD (Lederman mpack)d  
 Kind regards,   ' Carel Beijers, Deurne, The Netherlands..  1 Homepage--> http://home.wanadoo.nl/carel.beijers/a  ' Email--------> CarelBeijers@hotmail.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:39:34 +0200-< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>, Subject: Re: mpack and munpack for the alpha4 Message-ID: <9buqe2$b5lh4$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Carel Beijers wrote...F >Does anyone has a version of mpack.exe and munpack.exe for the Alpha?L >I can only find the VAX version on the OpenVMS freeware CD (Lederman mpack)  G You can get the version that (hopefully) goes onto the next Freeware CDj@ via anonymous FTP to ftp.pdv-systeme.de under /vms/mpack15.zip .   cu,S   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de  One OS to bring them all      | ( http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Apr 2001 08:04:23 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell)>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versiont. Message-ID: <UMGAognUdep3@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  ^ In article <3ae2366f.94220494@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen) writes:
 > Greetings -S > D > I was wondering what version of OpenVMS I can run under a hobbyistH > license.  I can get the media via our University's CSLG.  So I can getC > access to the 7.2-1 media.  I would like to install OpenVMS on myh	 > Multia.d  L I haven't used the hobbyist licence, but I don't think the license restrictsM the vms version.  The reason most people are running 7.2 is because that whatiN you get on the hobbyist *media*.  If you have alternate media, you *should* be, able to install whatever version you want.        L Are you aware that you can't just simply install on a multia like most otherK alphas? You have to jump through a few hoops.  The faq contains informationy about this in section alpha8.e   -- fO ===============================================================================lM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:07:02 +0200i< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>; Subject: Re: R.I.P. FTP.WKU.EDU.  Long live FTP.PROCESS.COMc4 Message-ID: <9bus1d$b5ja4$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Hunter Goatley wrote...t= >Effective immediately, the FTP.WKU.EDU VMS freeware archivesa7 >no longer reside on FTP.WKU.EDU.   R.I.P. FTP.WKU.EDU.c  ? And it seems the MX-List archive search has also gone this way.e  @ >The good news is that, thanks to Process Software, the archives	 >live on.a  H Will the MX-List archives also live at Process, or will the links on the MadGoat pages go live someday?   cu,d   Martin  I P.S.: While everything must die, I'm proud to announce our CSWS went livetF today with the first few virtual hosts, and I'm sure I will be ripping= some more virtual hosts from the claws of the Evil Empire ;-)i -- tJ One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.decJ One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/? And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de     ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 15:47:19 +0100e+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>t5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?i' Message-ID: <3AE2EEF7.1B7161B8@iee.org>a   Paul Sture wrote:cI > Got carried away counting the wires. 3 wires - Live, Neutral and Earth.nA > 240V AC. Neutral is a definite misnomer as it can give a shock.s  > It shouldn't shock under normal conditions - it's usually tied to ground further upstream.T  K > The UK does have a ground to earth. Sometimes just a rod into the ground,.J > but I've seen it tied to water pipes, and gas pipes as well. Whether theI > latter is just a good ground or a way of ensuring that gas and electricr) > charge don't mix I honestly don't know.o  : We certainly do have an earth and there are various wiring? schemes described in the IEE regs. But I've never seen anything 8 equivalent to the US centre ground where you get 220V in' effectively split as two 110V supplies.6  ? As for using water and gas pipes as a ground, that's a definite35 no-no these days. Using gas pipes always struck me asn; an "interesting" idea even when it was allowed. Water pipesW? would be fine except these days you never know whether some wayW! upstream it changes into plastic./  9 A rod in the ground is still (I think) acceptable in somev8 wiring regimes, assuming you cannot find a better ground in some other way.   Antonio-   -- -   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgD   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>E5 Subject: RE: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?i9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEPFCGAA.tom@kednos.com>a  D With 3 phase the three phases are 120 degrees out of phase.  You can" visualize this as three vectors ofI magnitude 220 V separated by 120 degrees and spinning at 60 (50) Hz, withf the origin being neutral.nI Thus the projection on to the x-axis of the vector difference between anyu two is SQRT(3)*220 = 380  % IIRC this is called an Argand diagrame  9 sin(wt-60) - sin(wt+60) = 2 cos(60)sin wt = sqrt(3)sin wt/  G 3 phase is avaialble in the US but mostly in areas where businesses arerF located and if your residence is close to such an area you can get it.G Normal residential is represented by 2 110 V vectors 180 degrees out ofo; phase.  220 is achieve by the vector difference of the two.e  G The advantage of three phase is that you can deliver the same amount ofd power with less copper.-  J Can we now put this thread to rest, which doesn't seem to have anything to do with VMS@   Tomc     > -----Original Message-----2 > From: antonio.carlini [mailto:arcarlini@iee.org]& > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 7:47 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come7 > Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?e >. >  > Paul Sture wrote: K > > Got carried away counting the wires. 3 wires - Live, Neutral and Earth.rC > > 240V AC. Neutral is a definite misnomer as it can give a shock.  >m@ > It shouldn't shock under normal conditions - it's usually tied > to ground further upstream.m >nA > > The UK does have a ground to earth. Sometimes just a rod intoh
 > the ground,hL > > but I've seen it tied to water pipes, and gas pipes as well. Whether theK > > latter is just a good ground or a way of ensuring that gas and electric-+ > > charge don't mix I honestly don't know.h >e< > We certainly do have an earth and there are various wiringA > schemes described in the IEE regs. But I've never seen anythingv: > equivalent to the US centre ground where you get 220V in) > effectively split as two 110V supplies.s >yA > As for using water and gas pipes as a ground, that's a definitee7 > no-no these days. Using gas pipes always struck me asa= > an "interesting" idea even when it was allowed. Water pipesfA > would be fine except these days you never know whether some way # > upstream it changes into plastic.o >i; > A rod in the ground is still (I think) acceptable in somes: > wiring regimes, assuming you cannot find a better ground > in some other way. >i	 > Antonio- >- > -- >- > --------------- / > Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgi   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2001 08:28:58 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)oI Subject: Using older versions of VMS (was: Compaq (Workstations to NASA))s3 Message-ID: <QNHgVpHbQJIM@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  [ In article <3AE2500C.38582C4D@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:c > Wayne Sewell wrote:-	 >> [snip]rO >> As has been mentioned many times in threads such as this, third parties need1Q >> smaller vms machines for development and testing of software.  Only Oracle andjQ >> the other giants can afford to develop on Wildfire systems.  Small systems are.P >> especially important when you talk about testing, because they make it easierL >> to test on multiple architectures and operating system versions in a moreM >> efficient manner.  If people weren't so adamant about running ridiculouslyoR >> ancient versions and demanding full support anyway, this wouldn't be that great& >> a factor.  Unfortunately, they are. > E > I'm sure you realize, of course, that this is frequently not withiniB > their control. The application software vendors have either gone9 > belly-up or have been assimilated and/or moved to UN*X.n > H > Remember all the software that broke at the V5.1/V5.2 boundary? ...the > V6.2/V7.x boundary?2 > J > When you're binary only and/or have no source code and/or can't VEST theD > programs and/or can't replace the app. on another o.s., staying at/ > V5.5-2 or V6.2 or V7.1-x is your only option.9  A Whereas if you _can_ VEST a program, and _must_ VEST the program,e@ for instance SCAN programs for which there is no Alpha compiler,) you must stay on an older version of VMS.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:55:22 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)d Subject: Re: WIS... RIP???0 Message-ID: <009FAE8A.0BF7199A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <4sn4etkk5vsqim8gg1e2udsos9jlg0lfnf@4ax.com>, LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com writes:A >On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:56:25 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Briane  >Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote: >uK >>Is WIS dead?  I can't even find a DNS entry for relay.service.digital.coml >>A >>Sad...  Is there ever good news in the land of the forsaken OS?c >aE >I wonder if CPQ is giving more *.digital.com addresses the heave-ho.= >=& >http://relay.support.compaq.com:9004/   That doesn't work either... :(  * >relay1.support.compaq.com [192.208.35.18]  , ... but thanks for the IP as that does work.  @ $ TCPIP SET HOST relay.service.digital.com/address=192.208.35.18   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM=            =O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 11:17:02 -0500-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>0 Subject: Re: WIS... RIP???' Message-ID: <3AE303FE.74DA6260@fsi.net>u  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > [snip], > >relay1.support.compaq.com [192.208.35.18] > . > ... but thanks for the IP as that does work. > B http://192.208.35.18/ not responding as of 11:16 (a.m.) on Sunday, 22-Apr-2001.   -- k David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Apr 2001 13:04:09 -05007 From: hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton)s Subject: Re: WIS... RIP???3 Message-ID: <HHAev7WwqUc3@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  	 Hi Folks,-  - You may need to use the port number, as well:m  % http://relay.support.compaq.com:9004/: and  http://192.208.35.18:9004/  < both work, as of a few minutes ago, using MSIE and Netscape.   --Brad  \ >In article <3AE303FE.74DA6260@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:( > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:	 >> [snip]o- >> >relay1.support.compaq.com [192.208.35.18]r >>  / >> ... but thanks for the IP as that does work.  >> oD > http://192.208.35.18/ not responding as of 11:16 (a.m.) on Sunday, > 22-Apr-2001. >  > --   > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems' > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Apr 2001 07:44:00 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell)   Subject: Re: [NOISE] gum or gun?. Message-ID: <79HSKp2RQ0cZ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  J In article <3AE1C231.72DD65E7@ims.ch>, Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> writes:> > Aren't you confusing with "bang bang Maxwell Silver Hammer"? >   N Nope, different bang.  The beatles were always banging on something or other.  :-)d  E But don't take my word for it.  Listen to the track.  Like I say, theeM bang/bang/shoot/shoot comes right after the title phrase.  It's near the end,V$ right after the Mother Superior bit.    M My brother is a big beatles fan.  While I am sure there have been hundreds of K baby boys named after one of the beatles, I sincerely doubt there have beenCJ many cases of a daughter named after a beatle song.  Believe it or not, my) niece's name is Penny Lane Sewell.  :-)  V  M Could have been worse, I suppose.  She could have been Abbey Road, Strawberry,, Fields, Elanor Rigby, or Dear Prudence.  :-)  M Her name has caused her aggravation on and off through school, but at age 19,-G she's fairly adjusted to it now and signs her email with the full name.r   >  > Wayne Sewell wrote:. >> tM >> In article <3AE12B2F.59867246@ims.ch>, Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> writes:I@ >> > In the famous Beatles song, happiness is a warm gum or gun?" >> > (which is slightly different) >> sQ >> gun.  If you listen carefully, you hear the background voices say "bang, bang,bG >> shoot, shoot" after the above phrase, which is a pretty good tipoff.l -- kO ===============================================================================/M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)eO ===============================================================================nB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"e   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Apr 2001 07:51:53 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell)e  Subject: Re: [NOISE] gum or gun?. Message-ID: <wC3erJV1rsFw@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  \ In article <87vgnynslj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:% > Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> writes:i > > >> In the famous Beatles song, happiness is a warm gum or gun?  >> (which is slightly different) > B > GuN. Presumably the one Mother Supeior gets in the next track :)  O Actually, "Mother Superior jumps the gun" appears in *that* track, right before. the title phrase.  i       -- (O ===============================================================================tM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)dO ===============================================================================sB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"d   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:43:55 +0200d! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>n  Subject: Re: [NOISE] gum or gun?& Message-ID: <3AE2FC3B.B2E207CF@ims.ch>  J As long as she does not come in through the bathroom window protected by a silver spoon, all is right :-)   D.   Wayne Sewell wrote:  > O > Could have been worse, I suppose.  She could have been Abbey Road, Strawberryt. > Fields, Elanor Rigby, or Dear Prudence.  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 16:50:06 +0200i< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>< Subject: Re: [Q] Making Perl work with CSWS - Solution found4 Message-ID: <9bur1k$bam62$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Mr. Generic wrote ...:J >In reviewing the mod_perl installation guide, I discovered a reference toJ >"/perl/perl_rules.pl". That bit of Perl works, and when I moved my sample@ >code to that location (not /cgi-bin, but /perl) it also worked! >4J >I have also found the mod_perl guide at perl.apache.org, which is helping toK >explain some things. Especially about the /perl alias. Naive me, I thought F >all CGI went into /cgi-bin by convention, but that doesn't seem to be >necessarily so.  G Nope. It's all in the configuration (especially in the ExecCGI option).i  6 >The guide has a section on "Running CGI, PerlRun, and1 >Registry Scripts Located in the Same Directory".o  I To run all .pl and .cgi scripts (regardless of directory - only dependant 2 on the +ExecCGI option), add to the mod_perl.conf:    ! <FilesMatch "\.(pl|cgi|PL|CGI)$">a     SetHandler perl-script      PerlHandler Apache::Registry # or #   PerlHandler Apache::PerlRunh     PerlSendHeader Ong
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