1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 23 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 227       Contents:' Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip? ' Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip? ' Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip? , Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Alpha 400 on E-bay Another Press Release - Heroix! Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) : Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news." creprc with commandline parameters" Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?" Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?* FS: CMD CQD-203/T SCSI Controller For DEC. Re: FTP failed! ' re: Hobbyist OpenVMS Alpha and DECNetXX , How to get fiber channell address from VMS ? Lockheed Martin Press Release $ Re: MAIL$SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE ("From")) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG  Re: Missing 000000.dir3 Mounting and Management station: comments please... 7 Re: Mounting and Management station: comments please... 7 old vms versions (was Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA) / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!  RE: OpenVMS Hobbyist version RE: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"  RE: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"  OT: "The Puzzle Palace" ! Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS! ! Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS! ! RE: Outstanding News for OpenVMS! ! RE: Outstanding News for OpenVMS! ! Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS! ! Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!  Re: pthreads + printf 2 Re: R.I.P. FTP.WKU.EDU.  Long live FTP.PROCESS.COM9 Reply before or after? (was: seeing escapes is believing)  Re: seeing escapes is believing  Re: TFT and VMS , Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?C using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files G Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files G Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files G Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files $ Re: VAX Models : How to be specific? Re: VMS friendly website??? ! VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % RE: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % RE: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation  What is better?? VMS or Unix? ! Re: What is better?? VMS or Unix? ! Re: What is better?? VMS or Unix? ! Re: What is better?? VMS or Unix?  Re: [NOISE] gum or gun? 0 Re: [PERSO] ingliche rereading no more requested$ [PERSO] ingliche rereading requested( Re: [PERSO] ingliche rereading requested1 [Q2] reduce C + embedded SQL executable file size 5 Re: [Q2] reduce C + embedded SQL executable file size  [Q] 1983? DECUS BANNER program? # Re: [Q] 1983? DECUS BANNER program? $ Re: [Q] Mozilla does not like proxy?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 11:31:35 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> 0 Subject: Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip?H Message-ID: <y41yqkgdxk.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  5 Carl Nelson <carl.nelson@mcmail.maricopa.edu> writes:   , >   But my home computer is a Mac, not a PC.1 >   But I *do* have Virtual PC running on my Mac. H >   My first question is: Why does my head hurt when I think about this?  M It don't know - missing exposure to IBM's VM - now called OS/390, I believe - J which allows you to do this as a matter of course...like run VM again (forM instance a new version) as a virtual machine on top of VM and hosting another B virtual machine such as CMS or MVS...once virtual, always virtual.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:35:05 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) 0 Subject: Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip?1 Message-ID: <3ae44b4c.178118841@swen.process.com>   4 On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:18:59 +0100, "Lock Horsburgh"3 <lock@lhorsburgh.NO.RUBBISH.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:    >Thanks to those who replied.  > A >I visited the software resources site and read up on CHARON-VAX. > >Unfortunately they have discontinued the "hobbyist" download,= >which would work on Win95, and it says the downloaded copies   >will only work till April 2001. > 2 The Hobbyist version will return sometime soon....  ( >The cheapest version seems to be $1900. >  Sounds about right.   D >But what I didn't find was, how do you get a licence to run VMS etc! >other than the hobbyist licence? F >What do Compaq think of this, is it an opportunity for them to chargeD >whatever they like, cos you must be desperate? Or are they hostile,: >cos they want you to buy Alpha boxes? Or don't they care? > H I'm not sure what the answer to this is.  Compaq is aware of CHARON-VAX;H presumably VMS would be licensed for it just as it would be licensed for7 the hardware being emulated.  But that's just my guess.      Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 16:18:20 GMT& From: davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen)0 Subject: Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip?9 Message-ID: <9c1kkc$uhm$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>   3 In article <3AE14751.1D9A355E@mcmail.maricopa.edu>, 5 Carl Nelson  <carl.nelson@mcmail.maricopa.edu> wrote: J |   O.k. I'm intrigued. I would really like to run some VMS software on my | home computer. | , |   But my home computer is a Mac, not a PC. | 1 |   But I *do* have Virtual PC running on my Mac.  | H |   My first question is: Why does my head hurt when I think about this? | H |   My next question is: Does anyone have a Mac emulator that runs under | VMS?  C   This works really well... I once had a client who *had* to run an C Apple ][ program against some data. So we got an Apple ][ emmulator E program for CP/M on Z80, and a CP/M on Z80 emulator for UNIX, and ran 4 the whole thing under two levels of virtual machine.  8   It ran considerably faster that the original hardware.   --  <   bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>  CTO, TMR Associates, IncG "I am lost. I am out looking for myself. If I should come back before I ; return, please ask me to wait."  -seen in a doctor's office    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 11:28:46 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> 5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed H Message-ID: <y44rvgge29.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:    > [...] the Sangre Centre, [...]  N You should try to Briticize Saenger as well, Terry. It's a German name meaningF "singer", but that was already taken by the sewin machine company 8-).   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:20:57 +0100 / From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> 5 Subject: re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed 7 Message-ID: <009FAF6F.EE5C6EDC.24@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>   3 > The US patent system is going insane... or worse.   M I agree with the generalities - modern practice seems to be to issue a patent J on anything, then let the lawyers fight it out, which helps big businessesM browbeat small ones who can't afford large teams of good lawyers. However,...   F > Peltier cooled devices has been in use for over 20 years. The HubbleE > was due to fly in 83, remember, and the WFPC had Peltier cooling of G > the CCDs and preamps then. So the design would have been at least 3-4  > years before that.  F It's very unlikely that the AMD patent is on the basic priciple (or ifJ it is, it's worthless). More probably, it's on some clever technology thatK helps one to package a peltier cooler with a processor chip without sending B the unit price skywards. And there's probably more than one way to accomplish this.   	Yours, 
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:23:47 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> 5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed ) Message-ID: <3AE410C3.96BBCD8A@bbc.co.uk>    cjt & trefoil wrote:  $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > > N > > Not long back, AMD filed a patent that looked like they were combining theM > > chip package and a peltier junction. For those not familiar with the term N > > (ok, not many on this group probably, but there'll be some) a peltier is aO > > small electronic device that pumps heat. Put it on a chip the right way up, O > > so it pulls heat from the chip, and put a honking great heatsink and fan on F > > the other and you can suck more heat away from the chip.  A lot ofO > > overclockers use them to achieve higher clock speeds, but they do soak up a  > > lot of power on their own. > G > Which raises some interesting questions.  Are "a lot of overclockers" J > violating the patent?  Or are they prior art?  Or non-infringing, albeit* > similar, technology?  Or something else? >   J hey, I was using Peltier cooled avalanche photodiodes as ionizing particle; tracking devices a long time back, maybe AMD owe me (joke).   G I don't suppose the humble cooling fan has yet to be patented? Might be  some bucks to be made there.    -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:04:07 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed = Message-ID: <bLVE6.31634$%_1.8816316@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   L "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y44rvgge29.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...8 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > " > > [...] the Sangre Centre, [...] > H > You should try to Briticize Saenger as well, Terry. It's a German name meaning H > "singer", but that was already taken by the sewin machine company 8-). > H Oops. An egregious typo on my part. It's SANGER Centre, named after U.S.4 birth control advocate and activist Margaret Sanger.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:39:04 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> 5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed ) Message-ID: <3AE43078.2D9D62D7@Omond.net>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:   N > "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inL > message news:y44rvgge29.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...: > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > $ > > > [...] the Sangre Centre, [...] > > J > > You should try to Briticize Saenger as well, Terry. It's a German name	 > meaning J > > "singer", but that was already taken by the sewin machine company 8-). > > J > Oops. An egregious typo on my part. It's SANGER Centre, named after U.S.6 > birth control advocate and activist Margaret Sanger.  & Terry, I somehow missed the smiley ...  J The Sanger Centre (a mere 10 minute walk from where I live) is named afterE Fred Sanger (of DNA sequencing fame, Nobel prize winner).  I'm fairly L sure he's still alive and well at the Laboratory for Molecular Biology (LMB)( in Cambridge, just 10 miles up the road.  G I used to system manage at one of the 3 sites on the same Genome Campus ? (European Bioinformatics Institute, part of EMBL), and had many I interactions with the Sanger people.  I have *touched* the wall of DS10's . that the EBI is hosting for the Sanger Centre.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:45:07 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed = Message-ID: <DlWE6.31641$%_1.8833982@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   , "Roy Omond" <Roy@Omond.net> wrote in message# news:3AE43078.2D9D62D7@Omond.net...  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > G > > "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  wrote in > > message B news:y44rvgge29.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...< > > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > > & > > > > [...] the Sangre Centre, [...] > > > L > > > You should try to Briticize Saenger as well, Terry. It's a German name > > meaning L > > > "singer", but that was already taken by the sewin machine company 8-). > > > L > > Oops. An egregious typo on my part. It's SANGER Centre, named after U.S.8 > > birth control advocate and activist Margaret Sanger. > ( > Terry, I somehow missed the smiley ... > L > The Sanger Centre (a mere 10 minute walk from where I live) is named afterG > Fred Sanger (of DNA sequencing fame, Nobel prize winner).  I'm fairly H > sure he's still alive and well at the Laboratory for Molecular Biology (LMB) * > in Cambridge, just 10 miles up the road. > I > I used to system manage at one of the 3 sites on the same Genome Campus A > (European Bioinformatics Institute, part of EMBL), and had many K > interactions with the Sanger people.  I have *touched* the wall of DS10's 0 > that the EBI is hosting for the Sanger Centre. >   8 Ah. I was misinformed. Duped by a US-based Compaqtian!!!  C This is an embarassment of the same magnitude as having ones system 6 plundered by the notorious Belgian hacker Cedric Zool!   cheers,    terry s    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 16:24:02 GMT& From: davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen)5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed : Message-ID: <9c1kv2$5iqc$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com>  < In article <RGKE6.85850$61.17687644@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>,/ Yousuf Khan <ykhan@nospam.home.com.spam> wrote:   M | BTW, that brings up a question in my mind. Who exactly buys Alpha machines, K | and what do they use them for? The Tru64 doesn't even show up on the Unix M | radar screen compared to Sun, HP and IBM. Is there another Unix marketplace ) | out there that I haven't even heard of?   G   If I may extend your question, does anyone have figures based on some D solid source ralated to how many Alphas run Tru64 vs. Linux? I can'tB imagine running Tru64 personally unless I had an existing app, butD that's not because I know anything bad about Tru64, just that I know= Linux and I was not impressed by OSF-1 "back when" I used it.    --  <   bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>  CTO, TMR Associates, IncG "I am lost. I am out looking for myself. If I should come back before I ; return, please ask me to wait."  -seen in a doctor's office    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:15:12 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> " Subject: 80% is Good Enough for M$A Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010423071003.02f2db48@ntbsod.psccos.com>   L I got such a kick out of reading an article in the latest PC Magazine on theM upcoming "Windows XP" product from Microsoft.  One line that really stood out M was the idea that both Microsoft and early beta testers are happy that 80% of * the applications tested seemed to work OK.   Try that in the VMS world...  L ..and what's even worse, is that the milling masses of sheep that masqueradeH as concerned consumers in this country see that 80% number and use wordsI like "acceptable" to describe it.  After all it's such a "quantum leap oft/ technology" from version to version of Windoze!    Sheesh!v     ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+CI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |sI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |6I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |0I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:27:39 GMTM4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$= Message-ID: <f5WE6.31638$%_1.8825864@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e  2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message; news:5.0.2.1.2.20010423071003.02f2db48@ntbsod.psccos.com....J > I got such a kick out of reading an article in the latest PC Magazine on theeK > upcoming "Windows XP" product from Microsoft.  One line that really stoodT outlL > was the idea that both Microsoft and early beta testers are happy that 80% of, > the applications tested seemed to work OK. >A > Try that in the VMS world... > C > ..and what's even worse, is that the milling masses of sheep that 
 masqueradeJ > as concerned consumers in this country see that 80% number and use wordsK > like "acceptable" to describe it.  After all it's such a "quantum leap ofc1 > technology" from version to version of Windoze!n >g	 > Sheesh!m  I Mark Menasi got a bit strident in his book "The Software Conspiracy," buttG the fact remains that the IT marketplace has been well and truly dumbedeK down. Nobody would have accepted the squatulent garbage that consumers (andeJ commercial customers) gleefully scarf up these days. And nobody would haveL yearned for the opportunity to pay a vendor incremental revenue for a bag ofL patches masquerading under the name "Second Edition" or "Millennium Edition" or whatever.   This is PROGRESS???S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:54:19 -0400 & From: Jerome Fine <jhfine@idirect.com>& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$+ Message-ID: <3AE4421B.BE9F10F2@idirect.com>o   >Terry C. Shannon wrote:  4 > "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in messageQ > > was the idea that both Microsoft and early beta testers are happy that 80% of . > > the applications tested seemed to work OK.  > > Try that in the VMS world...P > > ..and what's even worse, is that the milling masses of sheep that masqueradeL > > as concerned consumers in this country see that 80% number and use wordsM > > like "acceptable" to describe it.  After all it's such a "quantum leap ofO3 > > technology" from version to version of Windoze!D > > Sheesh!xK > Mark Menasi got a bit strident in his book "The Software Conspiracy," buteI > the fact remains that the IT marketplace has been well and truly dumbedtM > down. Nobody would have accepted the squatulent garbage that consumers (andtL > commercial customers) gleefully scarf up these days. And nobody would haveN > yearned for the opportunity to pay a vendor incremental revenue for a bag ofN > patches masquerading under the name "Second Edition" or "Millennium Edition" > or whatever. > This is PROGRESS???a   Jerome Fine replies:  T The difficulty is that this attitude is not at all new.  Back in 1988, DEC was stillG pretending to fully support RT-11 on the PDP-11.  V5.04 was released inSG 1986.  This was followed by by V5.04A, V5.04B, V5.04C, V5.04D.  I can't R verify this for sure, but from what I saw, the next three versions (V5.04E, V5.04FI and V5.04G) were only bug fixes which no enhancements at all.  Of course,3P that did not prevent DEC from charging to fix the bugs, but by then DEC had evenR RT-11 users over such a barrel that DEC was able to get away with almost anything.G Note that V5.04G was released in December 1988.  V5.05 was not releasedmK until October 1989 and V5.06 until August 1992 - which was the last version G that DEC released of RT-11.  It was not until November 1998 that MentecsN released the Y2K compliant V5.07 - far too long (four years) for users to waitP for what was at most a one person year effort - especially since DEC had alreadyT fixed some of the utility programs, but hid that information when the years in thoseN two utility programs contained only the usual 2 digits - and probably had doneP most of the work for the other programs, but just did not release the work done.  R Now I agree that the standard at DEC was far higher than 80% for all of the PDP-11T Operating Systems and especially for RT-11 about which I am most familiar.  ProbablyT for any given release, the figure was close to 99% even for beta versions and it was[ as high as 99.9% for official releases.  But that was because there was often a new releaseeS every few months and each release was usually only a modest set of changes from theh previous release.   S On the other hand, if the record was kept based on outstanding bugs and bugs in newrV features plus bugs introduced into old code, the figure, like for Microsoft would haveS been far less than 99%, in fact it may have been as low as 50% since many bugs took U years to get fixed and some were not fixed even after DEC stated in the release noteshS that they had been fixed.  So, it depends on what base the statistics are measured.s  X But then, I guess for Microsoft if the base mentioned in the previous paragraph had been; used, then the 80% level might have become 5% or even less.   S The only point I am trying to make is that Microsoft is not the company who startedsP to "educate" users that bugs in software are acceptable.  And probably MicrosoftQ is not much worse than many other companies.  The only real difficulty I have is:cA (a)  Companies are allowed to charge when bug fixes are provided.-N (b)  Companies are allowed to mix new features and enhancements with bug fixesD for old problems and still in effect charge for fixing the old bugs.U (c)  In some cases, the old programs with bugs are abandoned.  This is the worst case.X of all since most of the time the user is left with bugs in a program that has been paidX for.  In these cases, I suggest that there be legal requirements that all software whichS is purchased must be placed in escrow.  And bugs which are not fixed free of charge Q within (one?) year automatically makes the program source available to every user P so that they can correct the program themselves.  This would especially apply toR any problems with applications written by a competitor which were able to functionQ using a previous version of an operating system, but not a following version.  ItaS would be presumed that the fault lay with the manufacturer of the following version O of the operating system when there is a requirement to find why the applicationiP of the competitor no longer works.  Note that it would not be the responsibilityU of the manufacturer to fix the problem, but since release of the source code would benT mandatory if the manufacturer did not correct the problem (in this case, perhaps theO time allowed should be reduced to only 4 months), it would become quite obvious J what had been done which caused the problem and if done on purpose damages could be accessed.  ! STOP - Step down from my soapbox!T   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:05:38 -0600C4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$2 Message-ID: <8xXE6.348$5o2.166821@news.uswest.net>  G I agree with the escrow idea in general, but there has already been one,H public instance where M$ provided the fix information to the applicationG developer, but the application developer continued to claim that M$ was I purposefully preventing their code to work.  The developer was RealAudio.oL M$ tightened up their API parameter checking and the RealPlayer beta versionJ at the time stopped functioning.  M$ provided the bug fix to RealAudio andI then the CEO of RealAudio testified in Congress that M$ was attempting toaI keep their product from working.  Thus the flipside of the escrow idea iseI that when the OS vendor does help the application vendor, the applicationFK vendor must publicly acknowledge the OS vendor's assistance and provide theh# update to their customers for free.e   --
 Mike Ober.  3 "Jerome Fine" <jhfine@idirect.com> wrote in message % news:3AE4421B.BE9F10F2@idirect.com...o > >Terry C. Shannon wrote: >n6 > > "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in messageL > > > was the idea that both Microsoft and early beta testers are happy that 80% of0 > > > the applications tested seemed to work OK." > > > Try that in the VMS world...G > > > ..and what's even worse, is that the milling masses of sheep thatp
 masqueradeH > > > as concerned consumers in this country see that 80% number and use wordsiL > > > like "acceptable" to describe it.  After all it's such a "quantum leap of5 > > > technology" from version to version of Windoze! 
 > > > Sheesh!iI > > Mark Menasi got a bit strident in his book "The Software Conspiracy,"A butlK > > the fact remains that the IT marketplace has been well and truly dumbedpJ > > down. Nobody would have accepted the squatulent garbage that consumers (andI > > commercial customers) gleefully scarf up these days. And nobody wouldd haveI > > yearned for the opportunity to pay a vendor incremental revenue for af bag ofG > > patches masquerading under the name "Second Edition" or "Millennium  Edition" > > or whatever. > > This is PROGRESS???  >r > Jerome Fine replies: >eL > The difficulty is that this attitude is not at all new.  Back in 1988, DEC	 was still I > pretending to fully support RT-11 on the PDP-11.  V5.04 was released innI > 1986.  This was followed by by V5.04A, V5.04B, V5.04C, V5.04D.  I can't,D > verify this for sure, but from what I saw, the next three versions (V5.04E, V5.04FdK > and V5.04G) were only bug fixes which no enhancements at all.  Of course,mI > that did not prevent DEC from charging to fix the bugs, but by then DEC? had evenJ > RT-11 users over such a barrel that DEC was able to get away with almost	 anything.PI > Note that V5.04G was released in December 1988.  V5.05 was not releasedyE > until October 1989 and V5.06 until August 1992 - which was the lasto versionyI > that DEC released of RT-11.  It was not until November 1998 that Mentec-K > released the Y2K compliant V5.07 - far too long (four years) for users too waitJ > for what was at most a one person year effort - especially since DEC had alreadysG > fixed some of the utility programs, but hid that information when thee years in thoseK > two utility programs contained only the usual 2 digits - and probably had@ doneL > most of the work for the other programs, but just did not release the work done.. >>I > Now I agree that the standard at DEC was far higher than 80% for all ofr
 the PDP-11L > Operating Systems and especially for RT-11 about which I am most familiar. ProbablyK > for any given release, the figure was close to 99% even for beta versionst
 and it wasI > as high as 99.9% for official releases.  But that was because there was. often a new release-L > every few months and each release was usually only a modest set of changes from the > previous release.l > I > On the other hand, if the record was kept based on outstanding bugs and  bugs in newhC > features plus bugs introduced into old code, the figure, like foru Microsoft would haveK > been far less than 99%, in fact it may have been as low as 50% since manyd	 bugs tookTI > years to get fixed and some were not fixed even after DEC stated in the 
 release notes[K > that they had been fixed.  So, it depends on what base the statistics arer	 measured.  >nG > But then, I guess for Microsoft if the base mentioned in the previousn paragraph had been= > used, then the 80% level might have become 5% or even less.  >.I > The only point I am trying to make is that Microsoft is not the companyw who startedmH > to "educate" users that bugs in software are acceptable.  And probably	 MicrosoftrJ > is not much worse than many other companies.  The only real difficulty I have is:C > (a)  Companies are allowed to charge when bug fixes are provided.CJ > (b)  Companies are allowed to mix new features and enhancements with bug fixeseF > for old problems and still in effect charge for fixing the old bugs.L > (c)  In some cases, the old programs with bugs are abandoned.  This is the
 worst caseL > of all since most of the time the user is left with bugs in a program that
 has been paid-K > for.  In these cases, I suggest that there be legal requirements that allT software whichK > is purchased must be placed in escrow.  And bugs which are not fixed freex	 of chargesH > within (one?) year automatically makes the program source available to
 every userI > so that they can correct the program themselves.  This would especiallyn apply toK > any problems with applications written by a competitor which were able toe functionF > using a previous version of an operating system, but not a following version.  ItC > would be presumed that the fault lay with the manufacturer of the  following versionaE > of the operating system when there is a requirement to find why thes application C > of the competitor no longer works.  Note that it would not be they responsibilityI > of the manufacturer to fix the problem, but since release of the sourcet
 code would beeJ > mandatory if the manufacturer did not correct the problem (in this case, perhaps the,I > time allowed should be reduced to only 4 months), it would become quite  obvious L > what had been done which caused the problem and if done on purpose damages > could be accessed. > # > STOP - Step down from my soapbox!h >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:32:42 -0500e+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>o& Subject: RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1D95@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Terry C. Shannon [mailto:terryshannon@mediaone.net]n  ; > Mark Menasi got a bit strident in his book "The Software   > Conspiracy," but= > the fact remains that the IT marketplace has been well and   > truly dumbed? > down. Nobody would have accepted the squatulent garbage that   > consumers (and; > commercial customers) gleefully scarf up these days. And   > nobody would havem: > yearned for the opportunity to pay a vendor incremental  > revenue for a bag of: > patches masquerading under the name "Second Edition" or  > "Millennium Edition" > or whatever.  G You know, I've thought about that some.  I'm of the opinion that peopleaJ generally are stupid. :)  I suppose it makes sense that as soon as you getF enough people involved in the marketplace, the collective intelligence* suffers.  Maybe that's all there is to it?   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developern Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");l 'd   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:15:31 -0600s% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>t& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$A Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010423091200.00b137f8@ntbsod.psccos.com>F  J I have to disagree here, about some of the allegations made WRT the PDP-11I operating systems.   I worked in the Customer Support Center in the earlymJ 1980's supporting mostly RSX.  I'll guarantee you that if we had made eachE version incompatible with previous versions for as much as 20% of our @ customers' applications, we would have been lynched on the spot.  I The other issue is still cost.  You never paid for 4.0x releases of RT-11sJ or any other product while it was owned by DEC, as long as you had supportK contracts.  Sure, you had to if you didn't have a contract, but that's partlK of the game.  With M$, you pay no matter how much money you've already paidp to M$ in the past.  ) At 08:54 AM 4/23/2001, Jerome Fine wrote:  > >Terry C. Shannon wrote: >n6 > > "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in messageH > > > was the idea that both Microsoft and early beta testers are happy 
 > that 80% ofs0 > > > the applications tested seemed to work OK." > > > Try that in the VMS world...H > > > ..and what's even worse, is that the milling masses of sheep that  > masqueradeN > > > as concerned consumers in this country see that 80% number and use wordsO > > > like "acceptable" to describe it.  After all it's such a "quantum leap of 5 > > > technology" from version to version of Windoze!o
 > > > Sheesh! M > > Mark Menasi got a bit strident in his book "The Software Conspiracy," but K > > the fact remains that the IT marketplace has been well and truly dumbed-O > > down. Nobody would have accepted the squatulent garbage that consumers (andeN > > commercial customers) gleefully scarf up these days. And nobody would haveJ > > yearned for the opportunity to pay a vendor incremental revenue for a  > bag ofH > > patches masquerading under the name "Second Edition" or "Millennium 
 > Edition" > > or whatever. > > This is PROGRESS???c >c >Jerome Fine replies:k > L >The difficulty is that this attitude is not at all new.  Back in 1988, DEC 
 >was stillH >pretending to fully support RT-11 on the PDP-11.  V5.04 was released inH >1986.  This was followed by by V5.04A, V5.04B, V5.04C, V5.04D.  I can'tD >verify this for sure, but from what I saw, the next three versions  >(V5.04E, V5.04FJ >and V5.04G) were only bug fixes which no enhancements at all.  Of course,I >that did not prevent DEC from charging to fix the bugs, but by then DEC e	 >had eveneJ >RT-11 users over such a barrel that DEC was able to get away with almost 
 >anything.H >Note that V5.04G was released in December 1988.  V5.05 was not releasedL >until October 1989 and V5.06 until August 1992 - which was the last versionH >that DEC released of RT-11.  It was not until November 1998 that MentecO >released the Y2K compliant V5.07 - far too long (four years) for users to wait J >for what was at most a one person year effort - especially since DEC had  >alreadyG >fixed some of the utility programs, but hid that information when the   >years in thoseeO >two utility programs contained only the usual 2 digits - and probably had done-L >most of the work for the other programs, but just did not release the work  >done. >uI >Now I agree that the standard at DEC was far higher than 80% for all of t >the PDP-11rB >Operating Systems and especially for RT-11 about which I am most  >familiar.  ProbablyK >for any given release, the figure was close to 99% even for beta versions h >and it wassI >as high as 99.9% for official releases.  But that was because there was t >often a new releaseL >every few months and each release was usually only a modest set of changes 	 >from thes >previous release. >uI >On the other hand, if the record was kept based on outstanding bugs and n >bugs in newC >features plus bugs introduced into old code, the figure, like for   >Microsoft would havetK >been far less than 99%, in fact it may have been as low as 50% since many h
 >bugs tookI >years to get fixed and some were not fixed even after DEC stated in the e >release notesK >that they had been fixed.  So, it depends on what base the statistics are y
 >measured. >oG >But then, I guess for Microsoft if the base mentioned in the previous u >paragraph had beenc< >used, then the 80% level might have become 5% or even less. >dI >The only point I am trying to make is that Microsoft is not the company h >who startedH >to "educate" users that bugs in software are acceptable.  And probably 
 >MicrosoftJ >is not much worse than many other companies.  The only real difficulty I 	 >have is:yB >(a)  Companies are allowed to charge when bug fixes are provided.O >(b)  Companies are allowed to mix new features and enhancements with bug fixes E >for old problems and still in effect charge for fixing the old bugs.eL >(c)  In some cases, the old programs with bugs are abandoned.  This is the  >worst caserL >of all since most of the time the user is left with bugs in a program that  >has been paidK >for.  In these cases, I suggest that there be legal requirements that all   >software whichtK >is purchased must be placed in escrow.  And bugs which are not fixed free  
 >of chargeH >within (one?) year automatically makes the program source available to  >every userhI >so that they can correct the program themselves.  This would especially  	 >apply tooK >any problems with applications written by a competitor which were able to  	 >functiongF >using a previous version of an operating system, but not a following 
 >version.  IteC >would be presumed that the fault lay with the manufacturer of the e >following versionE >of the operating system when there is a requirement to find why the   >applicationC >of the competitor no longer works.  Note that it would not be the e >responsibility I >of the manufacturer to fix the problem, but since release of the source f >code would beJ >mandatory if the manufacturer did not correct the problem (in this case,  >perhaps theI >time allowed should be reduced to only 4 months), it would become quite t >obviousK >what had been done which caused the problem and if done on purpose damagesr >could be accessed.e >n" >STOP - Step down from my soapbox!   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+nI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |EI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |nI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |%I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 15:22:39 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)r& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$+ Message-ID: <9c1hbv$409$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>l  A In article <5.0.2.1.2.20010423071003.02f2db48@ntbsod.psccos.com>,r(  Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes: |>I |>                                         One line that really stood outiP |> was the idea that both Microsoft and early beta testers are happy that 80% of- |> the applications tested seemed to work OK.  |> l |> Try that in the VMS world...i |> t  B How do you determine 80% of the three remaining VMS applications??  % (Sorry, the devil made me do it.  :-)a   bill   -- wJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:04:27 -0300h) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brr Subject: Alpha 400 on E-baybL Message-ID: <OF7774785E.64B5946C-ON03256A37.005DBD79@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   For you to knowh  A http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1231458994m   Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:16:42 -0400b2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>' Subject: Another Press Release - Heroix / Message-ID: <kHXE6.64$5I.1682@news.cpqcorp.net>    HEROIX PRESS RELEASE      
 Press Releases       Press Contact :l         Debra Wilkinsm         Public Relations Manager         Heroix Corporation Ltd.u       ++ 44-(0)1707 336600        Debra.wilkins@heroix.co.uk                  K Heroix announces new OpenVMS release with its leading automation software -p RoboMon.      F New Heroix Release - RoboMon OpenVMS Solution shows support for future growth.       H Welwyn Garden City, Herts, UK - April 11, 2001 --- Heroix Corporation, aG leader in eBusiness automated infrastructure management software, todaycD announced continued support of Compaq Computer Corporation's OpenVMSI operating system, by releasing its latest version of RoboMon for OpenVMS.pI This new release brings numerous improvements, including improved clustertF handling for the new generation of Compaq systems, i.e. Compaq OpenVMSI Galaxy software architecture and the new Compaq AlphaServer GS Series, asdL well as fully supporting Compaq's OpenVMS V7.3, the newest version of Compaq 's OpenVMS operating system.       Business Benefits:      K For large multi-platform organisations, downtime is not an option. Compaq'spC OpenVMS operating system offers the highest levels of availability,c9 scalability, reliability, security and price-performance.       D RoboMon monitors and manages OpenVMS-based applications and systems,G maintaining the highest levels of availability and performance. RoboMonDD detects and fixes problems, and centralizes the monitoring of widely distributed systems.      I Paul Roxan, MD of Heroix EMEA, says "Despite the market's general move totI Open Systems, we feel that Compaq's OpenVMS operating system remains verysF important to major corporations and we fully support it as part of ourK product portfolio."  Paul continues "Heroix is seeing growth in the OpenVMSeI market in recent months and in 2000 our OpenVMS business grew by 33%.  We : expect this trend to continue for the foreseeable future."    	 Features:kI RoboMon includes comprehensive pre-defined sensors called Solution Rules, J which are controlled through the Motif GUI interface. These rules detect aI wide variety of common OpenVMS operational and performance problems. They J are specifically designed to be self-configuring, so that RoboMon is fullyH functional "out-of-the-box". Once installed, the product is both readilyK tailorable and extensible, so that site-specific requirements can easily be"J accommodated, resulting in a comprehensive ability to perform "lights-out"= operations, which is particularly crucial to global business.u       Customer Experience:  I A major user of OpenVMS systems is the London Clearing House and they had G found from previous experience that RoboMon for OpenVMS can proactivelyVL manage OpenVMS system resources leading to improved performance efficienciesL and continual uptime.  Tony Seels, Technical Analyst for the London ClearingG House, said "From a system management point of view, downtime is not aniI option for us.  RoboMon for OpenVMS guarantees that this doesn't happen."a      
 Compaq Quote:e  H Rich Marcello, Vice President of Compaq's OpenVMS Group, said "Compaq isK pleased to see that Heroix is making their very successful RoboMon solutiongD available on Compaq's newest version of OpenVMS which should provideJ customers with a maximum level of performance without the major concern of system failure."      I Andrew Crisp, VP of Strategic Alliances at Heroix, said "This new releasef@ reinforces the commitment Heroix has to this platform and to theH relationship with Compaq.  Many of the enhancements have come about as aD result of our strong links with the Compaq Disaster Tolerant ClusterG Services team.  We see continuing demand for OpenVMS solutions from our L customers and prospects globally and we share with Compaq their optimism forG OpenVMS as the platform of choice for stable, reliable mission critical-	 systems."i       About HeroixG Heroix delivers award winning software products that help organisationsoK guarantee the availability and performance of their multiplatform eBusinesstF infrastructure and applications.  More than 1,000 customers in over 40I countries rely on the company's integrated management software to monitorsG and manage Windows NT, Windows 2000, Unix, Linux, and OpenVMST systems.tG Heroix products detect problems, report and graph performance data, andcH centrally monitor wide-ranging technologies such as Microsoft Exchange,J IIS, SQL Server, Citrix, Oracle, Cisco, Compaq Insight Manager, serviceE level agreements, and more.  Founded in 1975, Heroix is an authorisedsK Microsoft Gold Certified Partner, with US headquarters in Newton, Mass. andtJ EMEA headquarters in Welwyn Garden City, U.K. For more information, please visit www.heroix.com.       B Heroix and RoboMon are trademarks of Heroix Corporation. All other3 trademarks are property of their respective owners.    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 08:33:01 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell)f* Subject: Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA). Message-ID: <EZZMq3+c0hlm@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  [ In article <3AE32E3D.EA1F76DC@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:d > Wayne Sewell wrote:d	 >> [snip]tN >> I'm actually kind of surprised.  This is the first indication I've had thatH >> anyone in compaq even recognized/understood/acknowledged the problem. > H > On second read, perhaps I should clarify: the text quoted in the prior3 > post was from me to Richard, not Richard's words.n >   K You're right.  I misread that.  I should have known that was too good to be  true.r   -- mO ===============================================================================nM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)tO ===============================================================================eB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:50:52 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.m* Message-ID: <3AE44F5C.FAC30333@uk.sun.com>   Alan Greig wrote:  > C > According to a new Compaq Inspiration Technology radio commercialeH > running in the UK the greatest inventions that have been made possibleG > by the PC are the Internet, email and MP3. So any email or use of theuH > Internet you think you remember prior to the mid 80s was probably just7 > a result of too much acid in the 60s and 70s I guess.- >   4 Its worse than that. The internet developed despite " PC's rather than because of them.   6 MS not shipping an IP stack with windows to start off 4 with and then subsequently shipping one so crappy to) be an embarassment being a great example.-  4 MS and Compaqs total lack of involvement in helping 2 to develop the standards on which the internet is  built being another example. a  0 MS's promotion of file based email services and 2 junk like ActiveX have also been major impediments1 to the development of email and active content on  the internet.     And thats before we get to MSN.   / As a regurgitator of all things MS, Compaq are   just as much to blame.  2 Seems to be that the Compaq marketing bullshitters got a bit carried away.g  0 If they had been truthfull they would have said.  0 "Despite the best efforts of our PC division and. our favourite business partner and much to our* amazement the internet, email and MP3 have. taken off. So amazing that the founder of our 3 favorite business partner even had to re-write his n book." r   How inconvenient.t   Regardsi Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:13:18 GMT~4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.:= Message-ID: <OoZE6.31795$%_1.8895627@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>R  = "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message0$ news:3AE44F5C.FAC30333@uk.sun.com... > Alan Greig wrote:a > >sE > > According to a new Compaq Inspiration Technology radio commercialeJ > > running in the UK the greatest inventions that have been made possibleI > > by the PC are the Internet, email and MP3. So any email or use of therJ > > Internet you think you remember prior to the mid 80s was probably just9 > > a result of too much acid in the 60s and 70s I guess.l > >. >o5 > Its worse than that. The internet developed despitep# > PC's rather than because of them.l   And despite Algore as well.t   >u7 > MS not shipping an IP stack with windows to start offp6 > with and then subsequently shipping one so crappy to+ > be an embarassment being a great example..   The apotheosis of exemplars!   >e5 > MS and Compaqs total lack of involvement in helpingi3 > to develop the standards on which the internet ish > built being another example.  C Digital used to be deeply involved in standards committees; CPQ hassI dramatically reduced participation in same. That's more seats for Sun andt
 other rivals.i   >t1 > MS's promotion of file based email services and 4 > junk like ActiveX have also been major impediments3 > to the development of email and active content ons > the internet.a >i! > And thats before we get to MSN.  >h0 > As a regurgitator of all things MS, Compaq are > just as much to blame. >o  L Umm, Compaq clearly is not without fault in this regard. Time will tell, butI Microsoft may yet be relegated to REMF status in the "Frontline Alliance"yC scheme of things. Oracle and Linux seem to be ascendant these days.   G And on an unrelated matter, will Andrew H be among those present at the @ Compaq OpenVMS Technical Update Briefing in London on 15-16 May?   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 17:32:12 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) + Subject: creprc with commandline parametersi0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-VyddNNvpyXXx@Tom2>  = I've try to start an image which starts from commandline withf mcr [dir]imgname -some_options  A now by sys$creprc. How can I give some parameters to the program 0D or set some logicals in the new processtable ? Is there an example ?   Thanks in advancer   Thomas Hahnemann S&T Systemtechnikw   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:06:40 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>+ Subject: Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?DJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231701440.21828-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  & On 19 Apr 2001, Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: [...]uL +What Intel cpu are you talking about? If IA32, it will be fully compatible,H +more compatible in fact than any AMD chip in existence (because it will- +support all the instruction set extensions).(    Erm... Be carefull !w>  The 386 chip from AMD was *better* compatible with Intels X86A than I386... :> AMD people have read the docs with specification,t? (created in Intel, of course), but Intel themself probably not.p@  The AMD386 was compatible with the Intel spec, i386 was not -:O  [...the real explanation, ok...]    Regards - Gotfryd   -- lE =====================================================================aF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEh. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================d   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:40:45 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>+ Subject: Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?fJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231708010.21828-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  % On 20 Apr 2001, Paul Repacholi wrote:n [...]f8 +And note that both Vax and Alpha have 4 processor mode,   i86 also...o   + execute only pages,a  < i86 also... Regardless the fact, that here was discuision of:  the system service with missing possiblity of "exec only"  mapping; in VMS of course :]e  ) +and a single process-exec address space.    i86 also...o  @  Unfortunatelly, not altogether, and I agree that you are right.9  The 4-mode is available only in segmented mode, and flatr< address space in paging mode; even if both modes can be used' together, the issues are separate... :(m    Regards - Gotfryd   -- sE =====================================================================nF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEs. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================o   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 11:34:08 EST1 From: byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer)f3 Subject: FS: CMD CQD-203/T SCSI Controller For DEC.d1 Message-ID: <ZYNySfcElo30@cartman.ourservers.net>w  	 For Sale:o  B I have a CMD CQD-203/T SCSI controller taken from a VaxServer-3300 that I'm looking to sell.   B It has an external SCSI connector and console port.  It was pulled working from service.    I'm asking $100.00 for it.   If interested, e-mail me.    -- r  @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:58:19 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: FTP failed!J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231021100.19854-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  % On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Netsurfer wrote:m  ? +It seems to me that the FTP to OpenVMS will fail if I had some 7 +conditional statements in my SYLOGIN.COM login script.-  ?  Och, yes. Over 90% of problems with FTP, DECNET COPY and BATCHlA seen by me was because some "great ideas" of managers implementedr: in login procedures ;> The greatest was a menu where loops in non-interactive session :] '  Do you ask us "where is the problem" ?e  Send the .COM and .LOGs... :]  G +Is there a way to allow FTP access to captive users (bound by menus)??-  E IMHO except the problem with two differrent passwords :( *far* better-D  is resolution with *two* usernames: one for captive, and second for4  NETWORK access only (MODIFY user/NOACCESS/NETWORK).A  When you set-up a captive user you must have some reason - b.ex. @ privileges or access to sensitive files. It is wrong idea giving8 the same access to unrestricted FTP... ! IMO, of course.  	 +Regards,     Also :)  Gotfryd --  E =====================================================================eF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEa. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:19:29 GMTr* From: a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen)0 Subject: re: Hobbyist OpenVMS Alpha and DECNetXX1 Message-ID: <3ae45498.79368245@news.cso.uiuc.edu>n  , Thank you for the replies on the subject(s).  F I have been using VMS/MicroVMS/OpenVMS for 16 years now.  With varying? degrees of expertise (increasing, I hope).  I was successful in:C installing gnu/linux on one of my Multias.  Until the battery died.D8 ;-)  And I wanted to install OpenVMS on my other Multia.  D I understand that OpenVMS is not officially supported by DEC/Compaq.< And I have a lot of odd files lying around pertaining to the
 installation.0  B I will probably document the installation process in gorey detail.! And post it if there is interest.g  E I could use some help in the type of battery I need.  As I imagine my + other Multia's power will soon be gone. ;-)    Tony -   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:40:12 +0200 : From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>5 Subject: How to get fiber channell address from VMS ?eJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231207570.20474-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>    Hello !8  Can anyone comment and say, what is the best way to get; SNA address of fiber-channel card from within running VMS ?p   Of *the Alpha* SNA address ! :)  >  For my bad English will 2-time comment any word, excuse me :)2 but that is IMHO better than any missinterpretion.    Wanted:? - the address of fiber-channel card inserted in Alpha computer,p'  the one where from console looks like:e P00>>>show devii [...] > kgpsaa0.0.0.6.0            PGA0        WWN 2000-0000-xxxx-yyyy>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^> kgpsab0.0.0.8.0            PGB0        WWN 2000-0000-zzzz-uuuu>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [...].. (the values of 2000-0000-xxxx-yyyy are wanted)    Supose:   1. Shutdown is dissallowed.n6    The address is expected to get *while VMS running*.5    Can get with SHOW DEVICE DGA/FULL the addresses ofi9    the HSG controller side, but *not* the "local" addresss)    (what looks as "not problem", but...). 4 1a. Third-place (b.ex. on the SNA switch) checks are    dissallowed.e6 2. Have access to console of the HSG where disk to the6    Alpha are served. On the HSG on the CONNECTION list:    can see *both* addresses: the HSG side and the "client"    one.t9 3. Have some (3..5) Alphas with some (2..4) fiber-channely9    interfaces. At the check moment none of the connectionf;    are describer "where is where", then have ten(s) of non-t    localised connection.    What I am look for:6 - a simple (best if supported and great if can be used.   in command procedure) way to get the address  =  Of course, will have simple way to get the pair of addressesm8 to rename the connection to some readable names :) (och,8 excuse the "to" stack :]). The second need is a check of7 proper setting of access ("ENABLE") list on HSG unit...l  :  The problem is *not* urgent, but can be seen in future :)   TIA & regards - Gotfryda -- oE =====================================================================iF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEo. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:11:53 -0400m2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>& Subject: Lockheed Martin Press Release/ Message-ID: <OCXE6.62$5I.1662@news.cpqcorp.net>    Dear Newsgroup,o  K I have received the following from Lockheed Martin and thought you might belL interested.  I spoke to these folks in Dallas and they have all kinds of VMS experience.t  
 Warm Regards,p   Suer      - HOUSTON, Apr 17, 2001 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/t  3 -- Officials of Lockheed Martin, Houston, announced   G today that they have signed an agreement with Compaq Global Services toe  K support a comprehensive services program focused on delivering the benefitse of Compaq's Zero  L Latency Enterprise technology to customers around the world. Under the plan, Lockheed Martin, Houston, joinsi  F Compaq Global Services in providing valuable enabling services to help customers implement a Compaq  
 ZLE solution.x  J ZLE is a transaction-oriented solution providing a single, integrated view  I of business and customer transactions as they occur, no matter where theys occur in the enterprise,  
 in real time.e  I "By joining the expertise and global reach of Compaq Global Services withl  L Lockheed Martin's extensive systems integration capabilities, we can provide customers with a completem  K ZLE solution, giving them real-time visibility into their operations," said  Russell Aldrich, Compaql  - account manager for Lockheed Martin, Houston.p  K "Compaq is leading the zero latency effort enabling customers to create and   F deploy real time enterprises," stated Howard Elias, Compaq Senior Vice President and General Manager,  K Business Critical Server Group. "Compaq's strong global services capabilityt is complemented by  J partnering with world-class consultants and ISVs. Together we will provide customers with the in-depth   L experience and integration resources required to implement ZLEs particularly in telecommunications,  0 retail and financial services, our key markets."  E Although ZLE is applicable and can benefit many market segments, thise  K solution can be particularly beneficial to users in the telecommunications,a retail and financial  L services markets. In the telecommunications industry, ZLE benefits may inclu de instant response to  J customer service requests and searches for patterns of fraudulent activity in real-time. In the  D retail sector, ZLE is redefining the customer relationship model and* integrating in real time the many channels  J by which a customer can buy goods or services. Financial services provider benefits may include  K real-time account balances and asset values, intra-day borrowing and global  asset management.d  K Lockheed Martin, Houston, is a recognized leader in the design, engineering   G and management of complex systems, including highly visible projects of  national priority. For more   K than 40 years, the company has developed and maintained a leading edge core  competency in systemsm   integration and engineering.   SOURCE Lockheed Martin  ? CONTACT: Ron Meder of Lockheed Martin, Houston, 281-283-4244 or=   ron.meder@lmco.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 11:11:23 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>t- Subject: Re: MAIL$SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE ("From")sH Message-ID: <y4ae58gev8.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  . Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes:  F > The one part that still gives me headaches is that SOME MIME-encodedE > messages don't get decoded properly, but I handle these manually. IaG > find that munpack works better than the VMS MIME utility (and is MUCHm* > easier to use from a command procedure!)  N As with all communcations, the problem can lie either with the sender, or withL the receiver, or both. Products of a certain company located in the US stateJ of Washington have a particular tendency to either lie about what they putI into a MIME attachment, or just "binary" because they expect the receiver N to violate protocol and guess from the extension what lies therein. Of course,K they have a singularly parochial word view so that ".COM" can mean only one  thing...   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 11:40:44 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>s2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSGH Message-ID: <y4y9sseyxv.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ) "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:h  N > This is called supply and demand (or, alternatively, value), something we inK > the U.S. often consider to be a Good Thing.  It motivates both innovationdH > and self-improvement by 'have-nots' to become 'haves' so that they canK > purchase such goodies, and at the same time is mitigated by the fact thattN > anything that is *in actuality* over-priced for its value will be the target4 > of competitive products at more reasonable prices.  L This can only be true if the market is in what I, as a physicist, would callK thermal equilibrium. This is not the case for microprocessors and systems -aI in economic speak, the price of entry into the market is so high that theeI existing players can play oligopoly for all they want - it doesn't matternF whether they're doing it conciously or not. x86 systems are a somewhatI different matter, because of AMD, and indirectly influence this market ofs course.d   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 04:37:38 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG- Message-ID: <87lmosn019.fsf@prep.synonet.com>5  ) "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:a  ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messaged) > news:87pue4n7h0.fsf@prep.synonet.com...r >  > ...nK > But if you sell, say, 10,000 licenses at cost ($50), but would still have M > sold, say, 2000 of them at $20,000 apiece, you're out (really out:  this ist* > money you would have had) $39.5 million.   And if you sell 1 at $20K?  < Don't forget to factor in repeat sales, and service as well.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.h@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:55:15 +0100c  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSGH Message-ID: <OFF43F8E51.7A3EFC5B-ON80256A37.003B2BD3@qedi.quintiles.com>  H Whilst I don't necessarily disagree with the principles you're trying to, achieve, there are a few things to consider.J Sun go with a model (allegedly) in which their software is not taken to beK a source of profit.  If you want to buy the box than that's where the moneynI is made to support Sun as a whole.  The software costs are almost a tokens gesture.  K Compaq do things differently (as did Digital).  The software is a source of K profit, as is the box but the box margins are probably not as high as Sun'saD in all cases.  This means that the software licenses must be able toJ sustain the people developing the software.  Having experts in the companyI takes money.  They are talented people that rightly expect to be paid forVI their time and effort.  So you come to a choice - pay for the licenses or-" lose talented, hardworking people.  I I know which I would choose and it definitely includes keeping those guysc% within Compaq rather than outside it.s  K i.e.  You get what you pay for and with VMS and associated products you gethF high quality, well engineered products.  Let's not compromise on that.   Steve.   Paul Repacholi wrote:rD >>>With hard ware, you have real money at stake. You can't stamp outB DS10Es for 20c each! Hell, even if the box was Tooth Faired to theF door step for nix, there is still a lot of money in stocking, shippingD and installing.  Plus spares inventory. Real money, mind, money that must be paid to someone.  F Licences are essentially free. Some arbitary amount of admin overhead,C and a bit of paper. So it should be of the order of $25-50 plus anduE extra $1-2 per extra licence in one hit. That is COST, real money. SotE if you give some one a $20,000 licence, you are $50 out of pocket. IfiE you give him a $3000 box, that will be, on VMS current margins, $1500n out of pocket.  A (Note that I'm just handwaving the media kits, OK Given a descentn2 pressing run, the cost also falls into the noise.)  E So how do you spice things up at the moment? Cut to the bone where itlF will not COST you, even if that throws away potential revenue.  If you? do it well, that money WILL come back in a few months, plus youdC perhaps could claim an increase in 'System' sales, so you are on of=D the few not slidding into the mud. Being the only vendor with growth2 in a recession is priceless for punter confidence.  E Also, note well that I'm refering to licence costs above, not support=C costs. It may well be that you need to add a support fee to the day D one cost. Of course, if you want 24/7, 1hr max fix, that will cost a8 'little' more :) And that is where the money really is!! <<<D   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:57:56 +0100s. From: "Adam Price" <adam@pappnase.demon.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSGA Message-ID: <988044756.13112.0.nnrp-09.c2deb51d@news.demon.co.uk>   ^ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:3AE302DD.B01E087A@fsi.net... > "Doc.Cypher" wrote:"
 > > [snip]K > > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:o > > > [snip]) > > >...and his e-mail address is ... ???  > >rG > > A word of warning, don't post email addresses in the newsgroup. Ther > > spambots will get 'em. >iD > Feel free to mung the address as necessary ... spell it backwards,G > replace punctuation with words, add obviously extraneous information,=/ > ... whatever. This is common knowledge, also., >GK e-mail addresses at compaq take the form firstname lastname @ company . com  His conforms to the standard.b
 Adam Price   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:40:45 -0400-' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>22 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG( Message-ID: <9c1pdl$nq0$1@pyrite.mv.net>  L "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y4y9sseyxv.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...+ > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:s > J > > This is called supply and demand (or, alternatively, value), something we in B > > the U.S. often consider to be a Good Thing.  It motivates both
 innovationJ > > and self-improvement by 'have-nots' to become 'haves' so that they canH > > purchase such goodies, and at the same time is mitigated by the fact thatI > > anything that is *in actuality* over-priced for its value will be the  target6 > > of competitive products at more reasonable prices. >-I > This can only be true if the market is in what I, as a physicist, wouldi callC > thermal equilibrium. This is not the case for microprocessors and|	 systems -hK > in economic speak, the price of entry into the market is so high that thenK > existing players can play oligopoly for all they want - it doesn't matter-H > whether they're doing it conciously or not. x86 systems are a somewhatK > different matter, because of AMD, and indirectly influence this market ofd	 > course.m  L It's been a very long time since I looked at a thermodynamics text, but IIRCH (and I might not) being in thermal equilibrium does not require constantH temperature across the entire domain (certainly not at the atomic level,I though that may not enter into the formal evaluation save statistically),oL just reliable movement toward that state, possibly after occasional externalJ perturbations.  The rate at which the state is approached is a function of@ the medium's conductivity - and in the case of an oligopoly in aH high-cost-of-entry industry, the effective conductivity of the medium is simply relatively low.  H I did mention such considerations later in my post.  And I tend to thinkI that as long as governments place some limits on real monopolistic abuse,cF over reasonable time periods the system works fairly well in balancing? society's interest in innovation against its interest in making I reasonably-priced products available to its citizenry (not to mention anyhI issues of individual freedom involved, which can extend to the freedom tosE form groups - corporations - to engage in profitable activity).  When=E discussions enter life-and-death products in the medical arena I mustTL confess to having some reservations, but I don't place computers in the same	 category.z   - bill   >= > Jan=   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:40:12 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG/ Message-ID: <0OZE6.72$5I.1870@news.cpqcorp.net>g  D   The OpenVMS management structure -- including email addresses and C   titles -- will be updated in the next edition of the OpenVMS FAQ.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:00:50 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: Missing 000000.dirpJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231616510.21828-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  % On 19 Apr 2001, Dave Greenwood wrote:f  ? +We have a (virtual) disk that's apparently missing 000000.dir:y +n +  $ dir vda3:[000000]> +  %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening VDA3:[000000]*.*;* as input" +  -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found% +  -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileG +rC +We're using VMS 7.2-1 AXP with Glenn Everhart's vddriver, althoughiA +I don't think either are at issue here.  (The disk is nfs-served1@ +to a Unix system and there was an attempt to backup/restore the= +disk using Unix-based software - it seems safe to say *that*bC +caused the problem.  It's a long story and I think we can say thats +it won't happen again.  Sigh.)l +t? +Since I can still do DIR VDA3:[*] and get listings of files inaC +top-level directories I think we can use BACKUP to save the files, B +re-INIT the disk and then restore from the backup save set.  WhatC +I'm curious about is whether there's a way to recreate the missingWB +000000.dir without the backup-init-restore sequence.  Anyone have +any suggestions?   ?  Yes: you have missed the backlink of file named 000000.DIR  :) E  *Probably* creating properly /ENTERed link will resolve the problem.e  Do:B *WARNING* - be sure the filesystem is not used by other propesses.4  Operation on directory thru RMS is *not* supported.C  You may mount the device privetely to operate on the directories !i@  Be aware the fact, that you can this way corrupt the dirfile(s)? and if you filesystem is already corrupted you can get to worse  problems. You are warned :)   % $ CREATE/DIRECTORY the_disk:[TMP.TMP]   @  You can use any directory name in place on TMP. It is expected,@ that in the directory does *not* exist a 000000.DIR file before.B  The work is simplest (and next steps applies only to the example)7 if the [TMP.TMP] dir doesn't exist before or was empty.t@  You can READ and skip unneccesary records but that is overkill.  A $ OPEN/READ/SHARE=WRITE IN any_other_good_disk:[000000]000000.DIRp  =  Althought it *is* unsupported opening the dirfile, can't seee< any reason for problem. You already can OPEN a 000000.DIR on? other unused disk, with VDDRIVER that is not a problem for you.e   $ READ/NOLOCK IN DIRRECx $ SHOW SYMBOL DIRREC  B  Probably the first match will have the 000000.DIR in it; but *is*? possible that you have dir named b.ex. 00.DIR (means "[00]") ors: a file starting with "-" etc. - then you must check if the record is for 000000.DIR  At end=
 $ CLOSE IN  1  Of course, you *can* create the symbol manually:_  ! $ DIRREC="1234000000.DIR12345678"H $ DIRREC[0,   32]=%x0A000001 $ DIRREC[14*8,32]=%x00040001 $ DIRREC[18*8,32]=%x00000004 $ SHOW SYMBOL DIRREC  > (sure, the values are from real directory; that is much faster  than manual calculation :) !)  E $ OPEN/READ/WRITE IO the_disk:[TMP]TMP.DIR ! Unsupported, but allowedh $ READ IO DIRREC    Ignore the error :),  That way you position the record in file ;)   $ WRITE IO DIRRECi
 $ CLOSE IO    You can check, if:t   $ DIR [TMP.TMP.000000]    allows you "see" all files :)%  And that *is* the proper directory !   
  What wrong ?e6  Still the backlink of 000000.DIR - probably is set to7 the TMP.DIR :] Haven't check if ANAL/DISK/REPAIR checksr for that, probably not.  [step 2] ++++++++++++++++++++++*  Also you haven't the "root" set themself:  5 $ SET FILE [TMP.TMP]000000.DIR/ENTER=[TMP.TMP.000000]e  +  You probably will "see" the "proper root":  $ DIR [000000]  "  and can remove the unneded entry:& $ SET FILE [TMP.TMP]000000.DIR;/REMOVE ++++++++++++++++++++++  9  The backlink *still* is wrong. *Probably* setting secondu( entry in "step 2" rather than before as: [step 2, version b]c ++++++++++++++++++++++1 $ SET FILE [TMP.TMP]000000.DIR/ENTER=[TMP.000000]n    and a:t) $ RENAME [TMP]000000.DIR [TMP.TMP.000000]t2  will correct the backlink; haven't check, but all looks as expected. ++++++++++++++++++++++9  Of course, the reason of my description is simple: yearsv= ago have "make visible" the fact, that ODS filesystem doesn'ti6 themself rely of the directory structure :), in one of. steps have remove the 000000.DIR "loop" entry.  :  Even if the steps before are simple, someone may say that: it is not worth do it. But for fun... and experience... :)8  Some variation (.ex. creating the [TMP.TMP.000000] with= CREATE/DIR and update FID with READ + WRITE/UPDATE) possible.   8  Excuse for eventuall bugs and re-check: have check only7 some steps, mistyping possible, correction welcome... !e   +Thanks, +Daves    Regards - Gotfryd   -- hE =====================================================================gF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEn. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:35:52 +0200l: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>< Subject: Mounting and Management station: comments please...J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231529490.21828-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>    Can anyone comment:  ? http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/argus/index.htmld; "And, OpenVMS Management Station mounts volumes much fasters8  than is possible with DCL or command procedures, [...]"       ********************  
  WHAT ? Why ? ;  Can't see a way why MOUNT/NOREBUILD followed with /REBUILDs> in subprocesses (one for disk) *must* be slower than any other9 way. Ok, "specialised" .EXE where does the same will savee9 image activactions, but IMHO this is *nothing* worth withp# typical time of the device mount...t5  "Marketing" ? "With Windows you are 'the best'" ? ;>c    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E =====================================================================nF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME-. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:53:12 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)@ Subject: Re: Mounting and Management station: comments please...L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2304011053130001@user-2ive774.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231529490.21828-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>, gs@stanpol.com.pl wrote:   >  Can anyone comment: > A > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/argus/index.htmlo= > "And, OpenVMS Management Station mounts volumes much fasterb: >  than is possible with DCL or command procedures, [...]" >       ******************** >  >  WHAT ? Why ?l= >  Can't see a way why MOUNT/NOREBUILD followed with /REBUILD"@ > in subprocesses (one for disk) *must* be slower than any other; > way. Ok, "specialised" .EXE where does the same will save ; > image activactions, but IMHO this is *nothing* worth withn% > typical time of the device mount...-7 >  "Marketing" ? "With Windows you are 'the best'" ? ;>     G Maybe they mean the time it takes an untrained newbie to figure out andRC type the MOUNT command.  Compare that to the time it takes the same@9 untrained newbie to click a random button with his mouse.   E Notice the wording: "with DCL or command procedures".  As if any sane G person sits around at boot time actually typing MOUNT commands by hand.   * (Now I go read the page you refered to...)  G Yup, "powerful, intuitive user interface."  That means a mouse.  Do youuB want someone with this sort of "intuition" running your production cluster?  G "Compilcated DCL syntax".  That means you've given privs to someone who ! can't be trusted at a DCL prompt.e  H "With version 3.0,... you no longer need to maintain complicated commandG files...  You can ... from an easy-to-use Windows Interface".  Hmm.  IspG that windows interface scriptable?  Is the script language simpler thanmH DCL?  Maybe it "remembers" the drive configuration in some brain of it'sJ own, and re-establishes it after a reboot.  Well, no.  That would mean theG VMS system can't work without the billy-box.  So it sounds like I stillyC need to maintain those pesky, oh-so-complicated, DCL command files.-  F I thought I was joking, but reading further, I see that they really DO4 expect this billy-box to be involved in VMS reboots.  H I assume there were hordes of VMS system managers demanding this productJ over the last few years.  After all, we know that Compaq always listens to% its customers where VMS is concerned..  J Now I'm going to go wash my hands.  This Management Station thing makes me
 feel dirty...b  F On the other hand, maybe I've missed the point.  What if we rename theJ product "Pointy-Haired Boss Station v3.0", and run it in simulation mode? I Lots of eye candy, and it could keep a Potentially Destructive Person outvI of the way for hours at a time.  And if he ran it on his laptop, he couldnI turn it upside down and shake it to reboot.  I've changed my mind.  Maybe % the product does have some potential.    -- i Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coml   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 08:31:27 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell):@ Subject: old vms versions (was Re: Compaq (Workstations to NASA). Message-ID: <NxBCFgVMTTPl@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  Z In article <3AE30126.215A5CF@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   [stuff deleted]n  R >> Because these same people then turn around and say, "however, we'd like to haveK >> new application x and application y and application z run on our system,sN >> despite the fact that these use system services that don't exist on our old >> crappy version."s > J > Well, "crappy" tends to be a subjective viewpoint. V5.5-2 for VAX is, inI > some ways, more stable than V7.2-1 for Alpha. It really depends on whatT > you want/need.  I That's the word that comes to mind when I am forced to dial into a 5.5-2 eJ customer site and try to function with 90% of the DCL commands I have beenM using for the last decade missing.  Yes, it's relative.  I'm sure 5.5-2 wouldc/ seem wonderful to someone still running on 4.x.w        " >> Lowest common denominator shit. >  > That may be a bit harsh.    J Huh?  I did not mean to imply that 5.5-2 was shit. It was fine in its day,K roughly a decade ago, and is still superior to the current version of othereO operating systems.  I meant for "shit" to go with the lowest common denominatoroL concept, as in "oh, god, we have to deal with that lowest common denominator shit again."  1 Old versions *are* the lowest common denominator.o  O It really is a hassle.  I can't count the number of times I've wanted to add angN enhancement to a product, and found that an existing system service or runtimeL library routine would go a long way toward adding the desired functionality,O maybe even reducing the mod to a few lines of code.  Such as the persona systemrN services I mentioned earlier in the thread.  But I couldn't, because of courseL poor, pathetic old 5.5-2 didn't have the system service/rtl routine.  So I'd? have to implement *all* the functionality myself, line by line.t  M If that's not coding to the lowest common denominator, I don't know what is.  J In the case of the sites who are stuck at 5.5-2 because of software, I canG understand.  For the other sites who are at 5.5-2 because they can't beaM bothered to upgrade, I resent all the pointless extra work to support *their*n	 lethargy.o     Wayne      -- iO =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxc: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)tO ===============================================================================oB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:48:51 +0100u0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!* Message-ID: <3AE3EC73.1275AF55@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,: > + > Sorry Andrew, but it is you who is wrong.e > M > Read what I stated ie. "they [posted stream results] do not reflect current>< > Alpha capabilities, so it is false to claim that they do." > K > These stream results posted are EV67 667 Mhz systems dated from June 2000hK > and do NOT reflect current EV68 833Mhz ES40's Alpha capabilities. I don'taN > know how much better the numbers for current servers would be, but one couldH > reasonably expect the numbers to improve (new and faster cpu, enhanced > compiler changes etc). >   5 Kerry the memory subsystem in the ES40 hasn't changedf* with the introduction of the 833 Mhz CPU.   . So I would expect that the single CPU STREAMS * result might improve with the new 833 Mhz + CPU but I would not expect much improvementa for the 4 CPU result.e  - If the old numbers had scaled nearly linearlyr, then you might be in with a chance of being + right, but they didn't the 4 CPU result wasx! roughly 2x the single CPU result.-  + I will leave you to judge whether you wouldv$ have been better off not responding.   > How much? Don't know.e > I > Anyway, I'm not sure why the stream numbers for current Alpha's are notTK > posted, but under pure speculation heading - it might be because the 1Ghz K > Alpha stuff is relatively close ..I have no idea what the real reason is.e > J > >>> You will also note from the result that the scalability isn't linear- > indicating that it is the memory subsystem/f" > backplane which is the issue.<<< > L > With no supporting data, I love the way you can make such expert analysis. > :-)l >   / Sorry Kerry there is plenty of supporting data.o  , 1.	The ES40 memory subsystem is the same for         the 833 Mhz CPU.  . 2.	The old result showed the bottleneck to be -         the memory subsystem and not the CPU           scalability.  * From this is is easy to deduce that faster* CPU's with the same memory subsystem arn't going to scale any better.  M > >>> As is making claims for existing systems which are not supported by thel' > data you youselves have published.<<<  > I > As I stated before - these posted stream numbers do not reflect currentrG > Alpha systems and should not be used in any type of "here is how a P4h3 > compares to the "latest" Alpha .." type analysis.t > N > One could however rightfully state - "Comparing apples to apples (keeping inH > mind the P4 is currently only available as a single cpu) heres how theK > latest P4 stream numbers compare to Sun systems and the older EV67 667Mhz  > Alpha systems:"i > J > Machine ID                      ncpus    COPY    SCALE      ADD    TRIAD > J > Generic_Pentium4-1400              1   1437.2   1431.6   1587.7   1575.4J > Compaq_AlphaServer_ES40-6/667      1   1331.2   1249.3   1275.4   1338.5J > Compaq_AlphaServer_GS320          32  19592.0  19200.1  21022.0  20425.6J > Sun_UE_10000_400                   1    364.2    215.4    287.4    296.1J > Sun_Blade_1750                     1    809.2    814.8    931.4    890.8J > Sun_UE_10000_400                  64  12141.6   7970.4   8599.0   8600.4 > N > [Apologies if I did not find the fastest Sun stream numbers - please correct > me if I am wrong]c >   4 Since this discussion is about your desire to foist 6 AlphaServer marketing BS on this thread your response  is hardly relevant is it.   9 But is interesting because Sun's marketing claim 12 GB/s  7 for the backplane bandwidth of the E10K and guess what c it gets.  1 If Sun's marketing people had put their BS hat on64 they could have claimed, with the same justification that you do closer to 20 GB/s.     Regardsn Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:58:12 +0100o0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!* Message-ID: <3AE45114.F9A592FD@uk.sun.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:0 > 4 > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > G > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: As is making claims for existing systems which.? > > are not supported by the data you youselves have published.0 >  > OK Kerry, naughty boy! Smak. > H > You should know that it is only aceptable to enrich the mental gardens@ > of you poor punters by spreading infomation based on NDA data. >   ) So was Kerrys posting bullshit or are youY defending it.      Regardsl Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:02:27 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>n% Subject: RE: OpenVMS Hobbyist versioneL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1D92@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: a-mullen@uiuc.edu [mailto:a-mullen@uiuc.edu]  D > I was wondering what version of OpenVMS I can run under a hobbyistH > license.  I can get the media via our University's CSLG.  So I can getC > access to the 7.2-1 media.  I would like to install OpenVMS on myt	 > Multia.o  / I believe the official answer is "any version."i   Regards,   Chrisi  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developere Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");b '    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:59:37 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> % Subject: RE: OpenVMS Hobbyist versionrA Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010423085906.00a90fc8@ntbsod.psccos.com>   / At 08:02 AM 4/23/2001, Christopher Smith wrote:t > > -----Original Message-----6 > > From: a-mullen@uiuc.edu [mailto:a-mullen@uiuc.edu] >yF > > I was wondering what version of OpenVMS I can run under a hobbyistJ > > license.  I can get the media via our University's CSLG.  So I can getE > > access to the 7.2-1 media.  I would like to install OpenVMS on myb > > Multia.w > 0 >I believe the official answer is "any version."  K Not on a Multia.  I think only 7.1 or 7.2 (I forget the exact version) will  run on a Multia.   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+0I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |'I | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | I | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+m   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:57:12 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> $ Subject: Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"( Message-ID: <3AE3EE68.73AF890@gtech.com>   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:I > Arne Vajhj wrote: > > Scott Vieth wrote:J > > > After a few folks in c.o.v. raved about the book by James Bamford, I
 > > > ordereda > > > a copy from Amazon.i > > >)M > > > It's not quite what I expected.  I was looking more for the techie sideE > > > ofG > > > what the NSA can do as opposed to the biographical stories of the 
 > > > variousR) > > > folks who held the DIRNSA position.  > > : > > I think too detailed and too uptodate info about NSA'sC > > technical side will reward the author with 50 years in prison !   L >     No, no, no, Arne.  Title 18 United States Code Sections 793,  794, andO > 798 provide for a penalty of ten years, $10,000 or both.  (Unless, of course,oK > these sections have been revised since I was last required to read them.)MI > These cases are seldom tried; a trial would have to be public and would0J > probably reveal as much, or more, classified information as the original= > violation.  I think they just quietly  have you killed! :-)   ( I do not know what those paragraphs say.  @ I would be very surprised if the maximum sentence for a (ex) NSA employeeC to reveal stuff that may put national security at danger is only 10M years.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:23:43 -0500s* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>$ Subject: RE: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"- Message-ID: <0033000022314427000002L072*@MHS>     =0AAs an aside to this aside :^)$ one of the so-called "hacker" groups& pdf'd the employee orientation manual.  * Gives you some idea of the do's and dont's  for the denizens of said palace.   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETt& > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 5:29 AMF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET& > Subject: RE: OT: "The Puzzle Palace" >s >s > "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:n > > Arne Vajhoj wrote: > > > Scott Vieth wrote:; > > > > After a few folks in c.o.v. raved about the book by= > James Bamford, I > > > > orderedR > > > > a copy from Amazon.S > > > >F? > > > > It's not quite what I expected.  I was looking more for  > the techie sideb
 > > > > of: > > > > what the NSA can do as opposed to the biographical > stories of the > > > > various-+ > > > > folks who held the DIRNSA position.l > > > < > > > I think too detailed and too uptodate info about NSA'sE > > > technical side will reward the author with 50 years in prison !. >.? > >     No, no, no, Arne.  Title 18 United States Code Sectionsn > 793,  794, and< > > 798 provide for a penalty of ten years, $10,000 or both. > (Unless, of course,t> > > these sections have been revised since I was last required > to read them.): > > These cases are seldom tried; a trial would have to be > public and would? > > probably reveal as much, or more, classified information asr > the original? > > violation.  I think they just quietly  have you killed! :-)e >m* > I do not know what those paragraphs say. > B > I would be very surprised if the maximum sentence for a (ex) NSA
 > employeeE > to reveal stuff that may put national security at danger is only 10= > years. >= > Arne >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:10:30 -0500H+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>N  Subject: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1D93@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Richard B. Gilbert [mailto:Dragon@CompuServe.Com]3  ? > These details are not shared for pretty much the same reason j > that detailed G > information on the construction of nuclear weapons is not shared; the1> > information could and would be used against us!  I suspsect  > that the revelation9? > of NSA's cryptological techniques might be more dangerous to   > our interests than8 > the revelation of nuclear weapons technology would be.  I No argument there -- my argument is more on what constitutes the "us."  IbL don't trust the government to work for my best interest, nor do I trust them to care a whit for me at all.   F It would take quite a bit to convince me that the government was stillG working for the people, and could be trusted with secrets which, by allp rights, belong to the people.s  @ > And, assuming that all the cryptologic information was freely  >  available, what> > would you do with it?  Unless you are trying to secure your   K Nothing.  See above.  I simply don't like the people whose hands it's in ati this point. :)   > military and= > diplomatic communications or to read the communications of i > your enemies, the 7 > techniques are not particularly useful.  Nor are the t > cryptanalytical techniques@ > anything that the average citizen could employ even if he had  > them; it requiresd7 > a great deal of knowledge, a great deal of computing " > capacity, a great deal ofr8 > time, and a great deal of persistance to break a good  > encryption system.  Bill@ > Gates has the resources; you and I don't and are never likely  > to have.  I am& > happy to have the stuff kept secret!  J All good points, and I won't argue any of them.  But do you trust the NSA?L It's pretty hard for me to even trust the other military organizations we'veL got, and they're legally bound to keep public records. (Not that they always comply, I've heard.)  D I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist; it's just that theL government has done too many things in the past that it shouldn't have done,> and I don't see any evidence that it's changed its ways since.  G Have you ever heard the "Hi, I'm from the government; I'm here to help"h joke?   H You've argued pretty convincingly for the secrecy of a few things, but IK would imagine that for every one of those things, for which the argument ismK good, there are a hundred more, for which the argument is utter nonsense --t
 or worse.   I I'd be happier to have the "secret agencies" dissolved and risk those fewgB things being not so well protected than to worry about whether theG government is doing nasty things behind my back. :)  But again, you mayeC trust them more than I.  I'd be happier still for the government totH straighten itself back out, but I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.   Regards,   Chrisw  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developern Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");r 'c  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");T 'r   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 11:14:15 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>B* Subject: Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!H Message-ID: <y47l0cgeqg.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:e  O > And, when you add in the reply I received from Winkler which stated that whenaM > it comes to OpenVMS he has recently found religion, I think even I can findf" > only potential good in the news.  4 Have you, or if not could you, post that reply here?   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:49:42 +0100y% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>t* Subject: Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!8 Message-ID: <lku7etgqi7tl2dc2m705oer6t0boqbtfkr@4ax.com>  . On 23 Apr 2001 11:14:15 +0200, Jan Vorbrueggen8 <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:  ( >Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: >mP >> And, when you add in the reply I received from Winkler which stated that whenN >> it comes to OpenVMS he has recently found religion, I think even I can find# >> only potential good in the news.. > 5 >Have you, or if not could you, post that reply here?l >p >	Jano    % "Winkler, Mike (Exec. VP GBU)" wrote:y  N > I have found religion.  OVMS in every discussion.  Now we need to find a way > to grow the revenue.     -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:44:41 -0500o* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>* Subject: RE: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!- Message-ID: <0033000022317968000002L082*@MHS>o  H =0ASupply and demand,  lower price=3Dmore units sold, all other things = being equal.   WWWebb > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETc& > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:34 AMF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET, > Subject: RE: Outstanding News for OpenVMS! >/ > 0 > On 23 Apr 2001 11:14:15 +0200, Jan Vorbrueggen: > <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote: > * > >Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > > ; > >> And, when you add in the reply I received from Winklers > which stated that when: > >> it comes to OpenVMS he has recently found religion, I > think even I can findI% > >> only potential good in the news.  > >r7 > >Have you, or if not could you, post that reply here?= > >= > >     Jan= >= >=' > "Winkler, Mike (Exec. VP GBU)" wrote:  >n= > > I have found religion.  OVMS in every discussion.  Now weh > need to find a way > > to grow the revenue. >m >n > -- > Alan >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:54:19 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>=* Subject: RE: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1D91@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Terry C Shannon [mailto:shannon@world.std.com]  = > decent get-together, once again Sue Skonetski did a superb   > job bringingD > OpenVMS engineering resources to the LUG event. And per usual, she< > connected well with the customers. A shame there aren't a  > dozen more liket2 > her in the marketing and customer contact ranks!  & Yes, but did she shoot out the lights?   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");r 'e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:39:49 GMTc4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!= Message-ID: <V8XE6.31743$%_1.8852464@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>c  8 "Christopher Smith" <csmith@amdocs.com> wrote in messageF news:3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1D91@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com... > > -----Original Message-----8 > > From: Terry C Shannon [mailto:shannon@world.std.com] >x> > > decent get-together, once again Sue Skonetski did a superb > > job bringingF > > OpenVMS engineering resources to the LUG event. And per usual, she= > > connected well with the customers. A shame there aren't ae > > dozen more likee4 > > her in the marketing and customer contact ranks! >t( > Yes, but did she shoot out the lights?  E No. We all learn from our errors, and Sue is no exception. Balls were H projected into the crowd with precision accuracy, panache, and suchlike.  H The only light that went out was the light on the DFWCUG's HAL 9000 when* said system was subjected to a RAM-ectomy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:32:29 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comc* Subject: Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!D Message-ID: <OFADC9B3A6.616E9172-ON88256A37.006055D0@foundation.com>    Sue Skonetski for CEO of Compaq!          I Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com>@world.std.com (Mr Usenet Himself)P on 04/20/2001 09:50:25 PMw  9 Please respond to Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com>t  0 Sent by:  news@world.std.com (Mr Usenet Himself)     To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:t  + Subject:  Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!a        > On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  D > If there is any kind of hope for OpenVMS .... God  bless Him ! ! ! >s  I The customers who attended the DFWDAYS event that concluded earlier todayyD seemed quite favorably impressed with the development. DFWDAYS was aG decent get-together, once again Sue Skonetski did a superb job bringingiB OpenVMS engineering resources to the LUG event. And per usual, sheI connected well with the customers. A shame there aren't a dozen more like 0 her in the marketing and customer contact ranks!   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:30:21 GMT $ From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark) Subject: Re: pthreads + printf/ Message-ID: <3ae41173.12479895@news.force9.net>4  , On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 00:49:41 GMT, "MrSignor") <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net> wrote:a   >fyi - ComPaq's response >.J >The problem is with mixing sleep + usleep, and ONLY occurs on a multi-cpu< >machine, and ONLY when MULTIPLE_KERNEL_THREADS are enabled. > M >As far as a fix goes, Compaq are still discussing who/what is to blame, with C >the contenders being DecThreads/DEC-C and/or the documentation. And% >immediate fix is thus sometime away.e  > That's strange.  We get a similar problem with a multithreadedF application.  Sometimes a thread which goes into a sleep() never wakesC up (except with a sys$wake from another thread).  This problem alsonF happens sometimes when a thread is in a sys$hiber() call.  It may takeA more than one sys$wake to wake up that thread.  This problem does  occur on single cpu machines.i   Mark   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:37:58 GMTn- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)-; Subject: Re: R.I.P. FTP.WKU.EDU.  Long live FTP.PROCESS.COM 1 Message-ID: <3ae44bff.178298559@swen.process.com>.  7 On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:07:02 +0200, "Martin Vorlaender"n) <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de> wrote:o   >Hunter Goatley wrote...> >>Effective immediately, the FTP.WKU.EDU VMS freeware archives8 >>no longer reside on FTP.WKU.EDU.   R.I.P. FTP.WKU.EDU. >t@ >And it seems the MX-List archive search has also gone this way. >i( Yes, that's true.  I forgot about those.  A >>The good news is that, thanks to Process Software, the archivesl
 >>live on. >yI >Will the MX-List archives also live at Process, or will the links on ther >MadGoat pages go live someday?  >eF They won't be hosted at Process.  I no longer have anything to do withF MadGoat Software.  You'll have to ask Matt about the MX-List archives.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/1   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:28:24 +0200n! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>]B Subject: Reply before or after? (was: seeing escapes is believing)& Message-ID: <3AE3F5B8.59445A36@ims.ch>  > Well, Gotfryd, you remark raises actually another question :-)  ; Should answers be posted before or after the original text?i  K My preference is _before_ because when I ask for the next unread, I can see M immediately the answer to my question (question text that I do know by heart)\P without having to scroll until I find the reply. So the only first lines of text are interesting to me. (I use Netscape).3  N If there is a better reason or an habit or any other etiquette-based reason to6 post replies *after* the original text, I will change.   Advices, everybody?t   D.M (as far as cutting unnecessary text, I always do so since more than 10 years,rA which is not the case for everyone here. Maybe I forgot once? :-)d  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: > ' > On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Don Sykes wrote:h > = >  Minor formal request: answers after original text are much  > more readable !l  > Well, Gotfryd, you remark raises actually another question :-)  ; Should answers be posted before or after the original text?   K My preference is _before_ because when I ask for the next unread, I can see M immediately the answer to my question (question text that I do know by heart)aP without having to scroll until I find the reply. So the only first lines of text are interesting to me. (I use Netscape).   N If there is a better reason or an habit or any other etiquette-based reason to6 post replies *after* the original text, I will change.   Advices, everybody?    D.M (as far as cutting unnecessary text, I always do so since more than 10 years,mA which is not the case for everyone here. Maybe I forgot once? :-)1   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:57:12 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>( Subject: Re: seeing escapes is believingJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104230948250.19525-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  % On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Don Sykes wrote:r  ;  Minor formal request: answers after original text are much  more readable !a5  If you can also cut alll unnecessary text... Thanks. 
 [...moved...]  +Didier Morandi wrote:C +      Well, Terry, your question raises actually another question:k +h> +      Should escape sequences and other control characters be +      included within a DCL; +      command procedure with the EDT PF1 x PF1 3 keystrokep +      combination or not.
 [...moved...]1I +I disagree that it is necessarily "hacking". I use o9 <Tab> all the timef +even in COM files ! [...]  :  Really, but I disagree that <TAB> is a escape sequence :)>  IMHO for some reason including <FF> in comment (to get proper: format of listing) and TAB (even, if in *some* cases *can*; be a trouble point - if anyone uses wordprocessing-orientedg@ editor to modify the code) is not in the "hacking" category... !@  The original question starts with VT-escape (<ESC>[code) codes.    Regards - Gotfryd   -- eE =====================================================================uF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================3   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:14:00 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: TFT and VMSJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231604250.21828-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  + On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Peter Watkinson wrote:t   +Hi, +oD +I'm thinking of buying a Flatscreen monitor to use with my systems.  9  Have LG Flatron FT19 Plus (and I am unhappy because haveu7 get it short before promotion :( !). Even if use it for 8 my home PC, have found in specification that it has all % sync-type, including sync-on-green :)c8  With the allowed 95kHZ/200Hz refresh rate it looks like2 a "suposed to" solution also for old VAXstation :):  No, that is not the best flatscreen on the world - but... (you must know what you want !)   < +                                                         IsG +there any problem with using it with VMS? For that matter is there anyiD +problem with using any monitor with VMS I haven't got my vms system +either yet!  :  At least some VAXstation has (for sure) sync-on-green (no; separate sync lines). I have in front of my eyes a 19" SonyeA from a old VAXstation - it is sync-on-green ! (yes, self-solderedy converter applies :)!). :  New Alphas uses typical signaling, "only" may be expected8 some not "low-end" parameters. But AFAIK all flat screen- monitors not in the low-end class, then... :)   
 + regards,    Also - Gotfrydv -- sE =====================================================================oF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEa. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:58:08 +0100-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> 5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?t8 Message-ID: <i1o7et0hq1t75qct62nknrhls0fa5fssui@4ax.com>  5 On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:09:57 +0100, "antonio.carlini"i <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote:   >s >- >Paul Sture wrote:J >> Something I'd never thought of before, as in the UK _all_ that stuff is >> strictly 2 phase. >m$ >You mean single phase, not 2-phase. >oM >>                   To the best of my knowledge, you cannot get 3 phase intol$ >> domestic accommodation in the UK. >c9 >I believe that you can get 3-phase installed if you wantq: >it (I know of someone - a few years ago - who was pricing5 >up a 3-phase feed to his garage so he could run some 2 >particular equipment). However, I expect the cost: >makes it something you would do only for a small business) >or a *serious* commitment to your hobby.o  D I'm fairly sure the electricity regulations laws require three-phaseA supplies to be provided to anyone, where practical, if asked for.e     >Antonio >  t   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 11:55:25 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>t5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?.H Message-ID: <y4vgnwey9e.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  - "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:i  A > As for using water and gas pipes as a ground, that's a definitee7 > no-no these days. Using gas pipes always struck me asr2 > an "interesting" idea even when it was allowed.   H I always thought those connections are there to ground the water and gasF pipes themselves, not to serve as a ground for your house's electrical system.    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:16:36 +0100e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?hH Message-ID: <OF7E60402C.8ED9DAB8-ON80256A37.0037FFC6@qedi.quintiles.com>  I Probably true, but that would be the Electrical Supply Regulations rathere  than the IEE Wiring Regulations.C The two are (or were up until "de-regulation" of the UK electricitylE industry) quite different, of only because the Electrical Supply RegshE are/were enforcable by law whereas the IEE Wiring Regs are/were "bestp
 practice".I Then again, if you electrocuted yourself as a result 0of ignoring the IEEyK Regs then you've only yourself to blame and you probably wouldn't be in any  state to complain anyway!! :-))r Steve.   Alan Greig wrote/quoted :a< >>>>I believe that you can get 3-phase installed if you want: >it (I know of someone - a few years ago - who was pricing5 >up a 3-phase feed to his garage so he could run somer2 >particular equipment). However, I expect the cost: >makes it something you would do only for a small business) >or a *serious* commitment to your hobby.   D I'm fairly sure the electricity regulations laws require three-phaseD supplies to be provided to anyone, where practical, if asked for.<<<   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:55:12 GMT. From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen? % Message-ID: <3AE45E6C.9288AB@home.nl>e   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:  / > "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:e >oC > > As for using water and gas pipes as a ground, that's a definite\9 > > no-no these days. Using gas pipes always struck me as-3 > > an "interesting" idea even when it was allowed.5 >2J > I always thought those connections are there to ground the water and gasH > pipes themselves, not to serve as a ground for your house's electrical	 > system.u >n
 >         Jann  K That is true also. The water and gas pipes in the house have to be grounded H to, as well as central heating pipes etc. But instead of drilling a longK copper rod in the ground (as is custom now over here) the water or gas maint- pipes were used for a connection with ground.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:41:19 +0300 ) From: "Iris Green" <iris.green@intel.com>rL Subject: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files* Message-ID: <9c17tk$jda@news.or.intel.com>  	 Hi there,o  K We use the pipe command extensively inside DCL procedures, in the followinga way:' $ pipe sho system | sear sys$input texta  K In some of our clusters that cause a DCL$OUTPUT_xxxx.LOG file to be createdoK upon any pipe command (the xxxx stands for the sub-process ID that the piped4 creates). This file contain only the search results.  K We could not find what cause this file to be created, and why it is created  only on some of our clusters.(    
 Any ideas?   Thank in advance-u   Iris Green ;-)   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:29:06 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>P Subject: Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG filesJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231526240.21828-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  & On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Iris Green wrote:  
 +Hi there, + L +We use the pipe command extensively inside DCL procedures, in the following +way:X( +$ pipe sho system | sear sys$input text +oL +In some of our clusters that cause a DCL$OUTPUT_xxxx.LOG file to be createdL +upon any pipe command (the xxxx stands for the sub-process ID that the pipe5 +creates). This file contain only the search results.n +iL +We could not find what cause this file to be created, and why it is created +only on some of our clusters. +  +n +Any ideas?h  " 1. Symbol substitution of SEARCH ?? 2. Logical name ? (probably not, because from description looksu4   that the *output*, not *pipe* name is substituted)+ 3. Symbol or command substitution of PIPE ?,    Regards - Gotfryd   -- aE =====================================================================GF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEa. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================:   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:16:15 -0400t2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)P Subject: Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG filesL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2304011016160001@user-2ive774.dialup.mindspring.com>  7 In article <9c17tk$jda@news.or.intel.com>, "Iris Green"i <iris.green@intel.com> wrote:r  M > We use the pipe command extensively inside DCL procedures, in the followings > way:) > $ pipe sho system | sear sys$input textt  J In this particular case, you might want to look at SHOW SYSTEM/SEARCH, andI avoid the pipe command.  You'll save the cost of creating the subprocess,C, and probably get the functionality you need.  \M > In some of our clusters that cause a DCL$OUTPUT_xxxx.LOG file to be created-M > upon any pipe command (the xxxx stands for the sub-process ID that the piper6 > creates). This file contain only the search results.  0 I can't duplicate this.  What version(s) of VMS?   -- . Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com@   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:31:47 +0200 (MET)c9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>mP Subject: Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files; Message-ID: <01K2QURXWWWG99E7YO@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>n  L > In this particular case, you might want to look at SHOW SYSTEM/SEARCH, andK > avoid the pipe command.  You'll save the cost of creating the subprocess, . > and probably get the functionality you need.  E Perhaps OK for interactive use, though you still have to search it byrE eye.  I you just want to output the record in question and process ittE further, then PIPE is probably the way to go (and in such a case, thet> PIPE overhead is probably not much compared to other overheads involved). o   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:32:52 GMT12 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: VAX Models : How to be specific?e/ Message-ID: <8HZE6.71$5I.1870@news.cpqcorp.net>0  k In article <OFBC9215AB.21DEE12A-ON80256A31.003CB9DA@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:tH :It's interesting then that Compaq Remarketing should send me a flyer...  I   Can you send me some contact information from that flyer, and I'll see r0   if I can get these (Compaq) folks unsnarled...  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:37:22 -0700k! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comM$ Subject: Re: VMS friendly website???D Message-ID: <OF3F7642E9.9C60C8EA-ON88256A37.0060AEB0@foundation.com>  D I'd say portability and common code should come ahead of using localK features. The indexed files may be a nice feature on VMS, but it'd make theM5 VMS port an oddball and therefore harder to maintain.p  , OK, that's one on my list. Any other takers?   Shanec          = Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> on 04/21/2001 03:02:55 AMm  5 Please respond to Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>.   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml cc:   % Subject:  Re: VMS friendly website???m    " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: >DF > I like this idea, and I'll gladly volunteer to co-ordinate trying toH > persuade them if there's enough interest, but to be realistic I do see some	 > issues.. >dG > 1) Opera is not free, the version without advertising is $40. To do ai port,b@ > there would have to be enough of us prepared to pay to make it interestingeJ > to them. I suggest getting together a list of people who are interested. >mH > 2) The Opera development team probably don't have a VMS system, or VMSJ > experience. I'm sure we can dig up a couple of competant people for them onG > this list ( :-) ), but the machine and licences would be a problem ate > Compaq's prices. >7K > 3) VMS has a bad reputation out there, legacy, old fashioned, uncool etc. E > We'd probably have to get some offical Compaq support, a commitment5 letter" > at least, preferably a lot more. >0 > Comments?M >i > Shaned  @ Great idea. I suggested porting opera to VMS and funding it with@ people of this NG in my post "VMS apps wishlist" 25-Feb-2001 but= your proposal is more worked out. I'm in. I'm ready to pay US.@ $100.- for a decent VMS port, i.e. stable and supporting the VMS file system.  : A technical question: would it be a good idea to store the bookmarks in RMS index files?t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:02:38 -0300s) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brs* Subject: VMS Loyalist dies from starvationL Message-ID: <OF5DA8335E.01E3F885-ON03256A37.00445373@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Well,s   I fell the same.  G I began my career working as a Trainee in a state owned mining company.wK I was 16 years old and I began to work inside a Operations Center. In those B times I was working with Roscoe, VTAM, JES all that stuff of BOFH.F After one year, my traineeship was over and I was looking for job, and threesJ months after,  I began to work in a brazilian shipping company, now boughtI by Hamburg Sud. I was introduced to the VAX. Not an original from DEC buteF a "clone" of VAX-750 (here MX-850,  "M" from "Mini"). Before to put my handseK in the OPA0:, my manager locked me inside the library with all those OrangeyJ and Gray manuals. I spent almost one month inside the library just studingB VMS:  DCL, Queue Management. So, I began to work with DEC machinesK and I feel in love. After one year the company bought a VAX 6420, and I wasrH introduced to the Decserver 200.... For me was incredible becasue I knew onlyI those 3270 controllers and serial terminals.... I spent three years theret workingwG with VMS. So I left the company and returned to the mining company as ah Junior Operator.C VMS people were so rare in those times. I think I was 20 years old.AK In the Operations Center I worked with another brazilian clone from Elebra,aI MX-4900  ( the Microvax 3900), the original Microvax 3100/40 and began tot workH with the DEC 3000.  I was introduced to the concurrent too: Sun, when we receivedF the firsts Sparcstations 10 for Geoprocessing. The company used to runD Geoprocessing software under VMS  like Geovariances and GDM, but the9 VMS machines were not supporting good these softwares....hE When the state owned mining company became private I left the companye because)K the new owners were planning to transfer all the geology people to the raina forest.oI I began to work as System Manager in a Construction Company:  the machine H was the VAX 6230 and I migrate all the systems to a Alphaserver 2100....H I spent 10 months there ... the reasons of my exit I prefer dont explain .. and I jumped-H to work in a bank with Windows NT for almost 3 years .... I lost contact with OpenVMS for three years.A The job at the bank was good, I learned a lot of Windows NT x SNA  integration. But I am.H not a SNA specialist..... I learned how distributed computing is a messy
 and expensivee	 solution.rJ After the end of my project at the bank I decided to move to OpenVMS again	 and theselH time I jumped to my actual company working as a OVMS System Manager.....E The problem with me here is I dont have any decision power. So my jobi consist in openSK my motif console and watch the Monitors and RMU all the day....  I am boredn .D  F Now I want to return to the market working with NT or Solaris, because OpenVMS is beingI killed here. The company is planning to port all the applications to SAP.a But they dont planeeI a position for me - because I  am sub-contracted.  I dont want to jump toq
 NT or Solaris I because they are the best OS of the world. It is a question of "survive".)J And I am feeling difficult for me because in this company I am the OpenVMS guy - only me.= I dont have acess to other jobs here - like NT or Unix admin.cJ They call me "rarity" because it is rare to find a OVMS guy in Brazil. The salary is good intG brazilian standards, but I am working in a far place where there is not= universities, courses etc.  K Another day I played here about a position in England  or somewhere as OVMS  ComputerJ Operator (BOFH) I believe I will accept anyhing ... in case of emergency ! ! !=  K I am sad because I dedicated about 10 years of my career working with OVMS.  But I am notH a Good Specialist because I never had lab machines or the option to make the courses ofK Internals and Crash Dump for example. The companies I worked for didnt likep to invest in training.= Some courses I paid myself ..... because I needed to survive,fK I am so disapointed with the Information Technology nowadays, I am thinking  in opening a bookstoreI or a cibercafe... less stress with intrigues, power questions, and to seeh waste of milion of dollars int+ bad systems - and nobody punished by it ! !nB Lets see what the future deserve for us: OpenVMS System Managers..     Regardss  
 Fabio Cardosol          V x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-  9 In 1984, I established the first VMS Cluster in Louisiana 9 for a nuclear power plant.  This was my first exposure tot: DIGITAL systems, as I had spent the prior 10 years working4 with IBM and NCR systems.  It was such a pleasurable; experience, I dedicated all my energies to the VMS platforme: and satisfying clients throughout the South-Central region7 of the US.  I lost quite a few clients in 1999, as manyy: application vendors did not pursue Y2K enhancements on VMS9 and migrated their clients to LANs.  I lost a few more in-; 2000, due to mergers and acquisitions of mega-corp X and Y.h; I did make a lot of money during the Y2K wars, as there wasv6 quite a bit to do with old application code in the VMS: world.   I did get a few upgrades to ALPHA.  Those systems5 are running so good now that I never hear of problemsT6 (translated into opportunities) where my assistance is9 needed.  I think everybody blew their budgets doing this.=< So far, the only significant piece of work done this year is; an upgrade of a MicroVAX 3100 model 10 to a Model 90.  That  took about a day.g  < It didn't help that I was divorced about 5 years ago (that's7 where the money went) and became a single parent of two07 school aged kids.  Of course, I'm glad they're with me.:: But, it makes it tough to take on assignments away from my6 home base of Baton Rouge.  I keep coming to this list,3 looking for encouragement. But, nothing seems to be.7 happening in my neighborhood to get excited about.  Theo8 large DIGITAL office closed here a few years ago and the: distributor that filled the void seemed only eager to push9 WINTEL boxes.  The Q obviously agreed.   So, a few monthsw9 ago, I decided to seek opportunities for employment, evenn< though I have been most happy as sole proprietor/independant consultant.h  < It's terribly hard to impress a headhunter, as I do not have< a college degree and NONE of my previous employers exist any7 more.  Most of them have no clue as to what I'm talking 5 about, anyway.  It's been 12 years since I've been ono: someone else's payroll.  In that time, I've made my living4 providing services to DIGITAL, it's distributors and7 customers utilizing OpenVMS platforms.  We all know, if:< there isn't something new going on, when put together right,7 these systems require little attention and just keep on>8 running.  In the business of providing solutions, I'm in need of a problem.  : To keep this subject heading from becoming an epitaph, I'm8 asking anyone here for suggestions, leads or encouraging< words.  Until now, I've never gone more than 10 days without: work in my life (including vacations, whatever those are).6 Private inquiries are welcome.  But, encouraging words< should be shared, as I don't think I'm alone.  Thanks to all3 for putting up with my moaning and apologies to anye	 offended.c   Robert Dirk Lockard3 r.d.lockard@att.netr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:05:58 +0100n- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>t. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation) Message-ID: <3AE436C6.4ED98958@bbc.co.uk>   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  L > After the end of my project at the bank I decided to move to OpenVMS again > and theserJ > time I jumped to my actual company working as a OVMS System Manager.....G > The problem with me here is I dont have any decision power. So my jobs > consist in openoM > my motif console and watch the Monitors and RMU all the day....  I am bored! > .r   know the feeling, Fabio.   >e >aH > Now I want to return to the market working with NT or Solaris, because > OpenVMS is beingK > killed here. The company is planning to port all the applications to SAP.n  M Sure they might be planning it, but will they be able to do it? I know a siteoJ where 3/5's of the apps supposedly to be replaced by SAP are instead beingQ retained, because SAP either does not have the functionality or the functionalityi- is an extra module in SAP and costs too much.f     >fM > I am so disapointed with the Information Technology nowadays, I am thinking. > in opening a bookstoreK > or a cibercafe... less stress with intrigues, power questions, and to see3 > waste of milion of dollars ino- > bad systems - and nobody punished by it ! !i  I well, the way IT is these days, I think many are looking at alternatives.hD Too many bloodsuckers in IT (say hi to my accountants and agents andD the friendly mr taxman and his friend the politician for me please).  B Anyway, just remember, if you work with VMS, you will sleep better than the rest :-).    --o6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uks  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofd MedAS or the BBC.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:27:45 -0500c+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>-. Subject: RE: VMS Loyalist dies from starvationL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1D94@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br.   > I am thinkinge > in opening a bookstore6 > or a cibercafe... less stress with intrigues, power  > questions, and to seee > waste of milion of dollars inm- > bad systems - and nobody punished by it ! !L  # So, will your cybercafe run VMS? :)o   Regards,   Chriss  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerd Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:58:38 +0100a% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>-. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation8 Message-ID: <klg8et0cat93tc0gnhlfm9qh6pikfui85d@4ax.com>  # On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:02:38 -0300,i* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  G >Now I want to return to the market working with NT or Solaris, because@ >OpenVMS is being>J >killed here. The company is planning to port all the applications to SAP.  4 And VMS would be such an ideal platform for SAP too.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:08:28 GMTs4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation= Message-ID: <gkZE6.31794$%_1.8894245@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:klg8et0cat93tc0gnhlfm9qh6pikfui85d@4ax.com...% > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:02:38 -0300,A, > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > I > >Now I want to return to the market working with NT or Solaris, becausee > >OpenVMS is being L > >killed here. The company is planning to port all the applications to SAP. >G6 > And VMS would be such an ideal platform for SAP too. >=  L As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious to this fact, butE those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would never be G amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and affordably=I do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQ would go ahead0
 and do it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:38:17 -0300i) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brP. Subject: RE: VMS Loyalist dies from starvationL Message-ID: <OF8338FC19.80BD4880-ON03256A37.0060D025@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   No way  ...m  # I will buy a few Macintoshes !  :-)>  
 Fabio Cardosou        < Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> em 23/04/2001 11:27:45      S       "'fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br'" <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>t       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComS      . Assunto: RE: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation     > -----Original Message-----+ > From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br    > I am thinkingr > in opening a bookstore5 > or a cibercafe... less stress with intrigues, powero > questions, and to seer > waste of milion of dollars inr- > bad systems - and nobody punished by it ! !   # So, will your cybercafe run VMS? :)a   Regards,   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerm Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  'b   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:48:12 +0200 & From: abdullah <abdullah@nepco.com.jo>& Subject: What is better?? VMS or Unix?9 Message-ID: <003101c0cbf3$a9447020$ec036e64@nepco.com.jo>y  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0CC04.6BD17B00s Content-Type: text/plain;s 	charset="windows-1256"e+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablet   Hi allJ My comanpy is a big company in Jordan, we have 1 DEC machine (7610), one = Alpha (2000) and 2 VAX 8530;  > But to move to new technologies, we need to study it carefullyF so i like some one to tell is it better to stay in VMS or to move to =$ other OS, and what is the beneifits?  	 Thank you-  + ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0CC04.6BD17B00m Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="windows-1256"j+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablee  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>5 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1256" =@ http-equiv=3DContent-Type>9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>m <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>4 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>I <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My comanpy is a big company in Jordan, =a we have 1=20A DEC machine (7610), one Alpha (2000) and 2 VAX 8530;</FONT></DIV>F <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>oF <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But to move to new technologies, we = need to study=20 it carefully</FONT></DIV>aJ <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>so i like some one to tell is it better =
 to stay in=20aC VMS or to move to other OS, and what is the beneifits?</FONT></DIV>o <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>SE <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>E  - ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C0CC04.6BD17B00--m   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:52:15 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>* Subject: Re: What is better?? VMS or Unix?= Message-ID: <3AVE6.67174$o9.12260401@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>?  @ At first, I was going to say, "oh no;  not this question again",  L But actually, I think you have a valid question.  You just worded it poorly.L You should have asked, "which is better for my company".  The answer dependsG on why you are moving and what you want to do.  If you are upgrading anaL existing VMS application, then you can save much of your software investment@ by staying with VMS.  On the other hand, if you are creating newL applications, and if the software you need is available on VMS, then you are# probably still better off with VMS,p  K But then of course, this is a VMS board, so I am not sure what other answeri you might have expected.    3 "abdullah" <abdullah@nepco.com.jo> wrote in messaget3 news:003101c0cbf3$a9447020$ec036e64@nepco.com.jo...  Hi allH My comanpy is a big company in Jordan, we have 1 DEC machine (7610), one Alpha (2000) and 2 VAX 8530;  > But to move to new technologies, we need to study it carefullyJ so i like some one to tell is it better to stay in VMS or to move to other OS, and what is the beneifits?  	 Thank you5   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:13:32 +0200d$ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch>* Subject: Re: What is better?? VMS or Unix? Message-ID: <3ae42a7d$1@hcwe67>s  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0CC07.F5EAD860a Content-Type: text/plain;l 	charset="windows-1256" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablet  C Hi, this depends, whether you ask in the VMS or UNIX news group :-)-   No lets stop joking.  A My opinion is, that VMS is better mainly because of its cluster =tI Technologie. But if you have limited budget avail, a freeware UNIX like =5D Linux might outwight the technical advantages of VMS. A good Linux =A implementation is still ways more suitable for mission critical =  applications then Windoze.   regardsy   Jakoba  =   "abdullah" <abdullah@nepco.com.jo> schrieb im Newsbeitrag = 3 news:003101c0cbf3$a9447020$ec036e64@nepco.com.jo...B   Hi allH   My comanpy is a big company in Jordan, we have 1 DEC machine (7610), =  one Alpha (2000) and 2 VAX 8530;  @   But to move to new technologies, we need to study it carefullyH   so i like some one to tell is it better to stay in VMS or to move to =$ other OS, and what is the beneifits?     Thank youd  + ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0CC07.F5EAD860h Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="windows-1256" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableu  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>5 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1256" =  http-equiv=3DContent-Type>9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>s </HEAD>n <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>G <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi, this depends, whether you ask in =p
 the VMS or=20d  UNIX news group :-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>eB <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No lets stop joking.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>rD <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My opinion is, that VMS is better = mainly because of=20C its cluster Technologie. But if you have limited budget avail, a=20 J freeware&nbsp;UNIX like Linux might outwight the technical advantages of =  G VMS.&nbsp;A good Linux implementation is still ways more suitable for =e
 mission=200 critical applications then Windoze.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>g5 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards</FONT></DIV>o <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>e3 <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jakob</FONT></DIV>l <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>a <BLOCKQUOTE=20J style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =, 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">   <DIV>"abdullah" &lt;<A=20sG   href=3D"mailto:abdullah@nepco.com.jo">abdullah@nepco.com.jo</A>&gt; = 
 schrieb im=20o   Newsbeitrag <A=20j   =-J href=3D"news:003101c0cbf3$a9447020$ec036e64@nepco.com.jo">news:003101c0cb=. f3$a9447020$ec036e64@nepco.com.jo</A>...</DIV>6   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>C   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My comanpy is a big company in =e Jordan, we have 1=20C   DEC machine (7610), one Alpha (2000) and 2 VAX 8530;</FONT></DIV>    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>OH   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But to move to new technologies, we = need to study=20   it carefully</FONT></DIV>eE   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>so i like some one to tell is it =m better to stay=20tH   in VMS or to move to other OS, and what is the beneifits?</FONT></DIV>   <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>w*   <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank =+ you</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>g  - ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C0CC07.F5EAD860--d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:01:50 +0100t% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>y* Subject: Re: What is better?? VMS or Unix?8 Message-ID: <gqg8et4p8smfaomtuhqbh4eb8e8iaicdjd@4ax.com>  D On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:48:12 +0200, abdullah <abdullah@nepco.com.jo> wrote:   >Hi all-f >My comanpy is a big company in Jordan, we have 1 DEC machine (7610), one Alpha (2000) and 2 VAX 8530; >y? >But to move to new technologies, we need to study it carefullyej >so i like some one to tell is it better to stay in VMS or to move to other OS, and what is the beneifits?  F VMS of course! Especially now that Compaq seem to have woken up to itsA potential. Check out http://www.openvms.compaq.com if you haven'ttE already done so. Also check out the latest issue of Compaq's customerdB magazine "Inform". "OpenVMS: Back with a vengeance" it says on the front page.f    
 >Thank you   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 10:43:38 GMT.= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)f  Subject: Re: [NOISE] gum or gun?0 Message-ID: <009FAF49.30DE5C1F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <79HSKp2RQ0cZ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) writes:K >In article <3AE1C231.72DD65E7@ims.ch>, Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> writes: ? >> Aren't you confusing with "bang bang Maxwell Silver Hammer"?  >>   >dO >Nope, different bang.  The beatles were always banging on something or other. - >:-) >-F >But don't take my word for it.  Listen to the track.  Like I say, theN >bang/bang/shoot/shoot comes right after the title phrase.  It's near the end,% >right after the Mother Superior bit.g >i >IN >My brother is a big beatles fan.  While I am sure there have been hundreds ofL >baby boys named after one of the beatles, I sincerely doubt there have beenK >many cases of a daughter named after a beatle song.  Believe it or not, myt* >niece's name is Penny Lane Sewell.  :-)    ' Good thing he wasn't a Frank Zappa fan.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             tO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:36:08 +0200e! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>n9 Subject: Re: [PERSO] ingliche rereading no more requestedr& Message-ID: <3AE413A8.A4F389C5@ims.ch>  3 Please STOP sending mail, the job is done (nearly).y3 Thank you very much for being so many to volunteer.a   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:36:51 +0200d! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>5- Subject: [PERSO] ingliche rereading requestede& Message-ID: <3AE3F7B3.4BECDE16@ims.ch>  K I will finish with my current Customer this Friday. I have a three thousandoN lines of OpenVMS HELP text (supposedly) written in English to leave behind me.  N If someone with some time is available around here to reread this text for me,I that would be nice. My preference is a person with English mother tongue.a Please reply by eMail.   Thank you in advance.s   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:05:04 +0200h! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>i1 Subject: Re: [PERSO] ingliche rereading requested & Message-ID: <3AE42880.999086E9@ims.ch>  '     sss    ttttttt      oo       pppppp (   sss        tt       oo  oo     pp   pp( sss          tt      oo    oo    pp   pp'   sss        tt     oo      oo   ppppppe#     sss      tt      oo    oo    ppa#   sss        tt       oo  oo     ppn# sss          tt         oo       ppt    & sending mail, please. The job is done.
 Thank you.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:02:50 +0200:! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>n: Subject: [Q2] reduce C + embedded SQL executable file size& Message-ID: <3AE4360A.70481EFE@ims.ch>   Any volunteer around?s   Didier Morandi wrote:  > > > My current Customer has some C code with embedded SQL in it. > ../..i7 > Any optimisational help would be greatly appreciated.d > 	 > Thanks,I   Any volunteer around?1   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:12:48 +0100t From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>c> Subject: Re: [Q2] reduce C + embedded SQL executable file size) Message-ID: <3AE43860.8CEA5733@Omond.net>g   Didier Morandi wrote:f   > Any volunteer around?k >3 > Didier Morandi wrote:  > >-@ > > My current Customer has some C code with embedded SQL in it.	 > > ../.. 9 > > Any optimisational help would be greatly appreciated.l > >i > > Thanks,a >n > Any volunteer around?E   And you get the money ?_   Yeah, sure.t  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:03:56 +0200 ! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>l( Subject: [Q] 1983? DECUS BANNER program?& Message-ID: <3AE4283C.5404250E@ims.ch>  O A looong time ago, there was a DECUS BANNER program witch wrote burst page-likewH banners to be produced from a text entered to the $ banner <text> prompt   It use was:   
 $ banner stop   " and the result was something like:  '     sss    ttttttt      oo       ppppppi(   sss        tt       oo  oo     pp   pp( sss          tt      oo    oo    pp   pp'   sss        tt     oo      oo   ppppppt#     sss      tt      oo    oo    pp #   sss        tt       oo  oo     pp # sss          tt         oo       pp   M I found a BANNER program on the OpenVMS Freeware CD but it is for DECwindows.i  # In case someone has it somewhere...o Thanks,    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:40:04 -0400k  From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil, Subject: Re: [Q] 1983? DECUS BANNER program?0 Message-ID: <01042309400454@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  B Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> wrote in <3AE4283C.5404250E@ims.ch> on  Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:03:56 +0200:  Q > A looong time ago, there was a DECUS BANNER program witch wrote burst page-likeaJ > banners to be produced from a text entered to the $ banner <text> prompt > 
 > It use was:w >  > $ banner stop  > $ > and the result was something like: > ) >     sss    ttttttt      oo       ppppppV* >   sss        tt       oo  oo     pp   pp* > sss          tt      oo    oo    pp   pp) >   sss        tt     oo      oo   ppppppl% >     sss      tt      oo    oo    ppe% >   sss        tt       oo  oo     ppt% > sss          tt         oo       pp- > O > I found a BANNER program on the OpenVMS Freeware CD but it is for DECwindows.  > % > In case someone has it somewhere...S  > There is one in the Perl PPT library. Here is the "man" page.      BANNER(6)						BANNER(6)   NAME!        banner - make long posters-   SYNOPSIS        /usr/games/banner   DESCRIPTION A        Banner  reads the standard input and prints it sideways inr4        huge built-up letters on the standard output.  & The actual banner.pl is after my .sig.  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919m; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919 5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094"  L ============================ banner.pl follows ============================= #!/usr/bin/perl -w # * banner - prints large signsn& # * banner [-w#] [-d] [-t] message ...  J # This is a translation from C of the BSD banner.c source, which bears the # following copyright notice:i #a # /*# #  * Copyright (c) 1980, 1993, 1994 G #  *	The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved.  #  *G #  * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or withoutcG #  * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions 
 #  * are met:-F #  * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyrightE #  *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.lI #  * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyrighteK #  *    notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in theeL #  *    documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.M #  * 3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this softwareo3 #  *    must display the following acknowledgement:OB #  *	This product includes software developed by the University of/ #  *	California, Berkeley and its contributors.eL #  * 4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its contributorsM #  *    may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this softwareh2 #  *    without specific prior written permission. #  *L #  * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' ANDJ #  * ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THEO #  * IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSEeM #  * ARE DISCLAIMED.  IN NO EVENT SHALL THE REGENTS OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE-O #  * FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL.L #  * DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODSJ #  * OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION)O #  * HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICTVN #  * LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAYK #  * OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF  #  * SUCH DAMAGE.o #  */a   use strict;r require 5.004;   use constant MAXMSG => 1024; use constant DWIDTH => 132;    END {f7     close STDOUT || die "$0: can't close stdout: $!\n";e$     $? = 1 if $? == 255;  # from die }   * sub usage { die "usage: $0 [-w width]\n" }   # Character data my @data_table;a  / # Pointers into @data_table for each ASCII char\ my %ascii_to_table;r    	 # options0 my $width = DWIDTH;-% while (@ARGV && $ARGV[0] =~ s/^-//) {2   local $_ = shift;0   /^[h?]$/ && usage();   if (s/^w//) {j"     if    (length) { $width = $_ }%     elsif (@ARGV)  { $width = shift }0K     else           { die "$0: option requires an integer argument -- w\n" } (     if ($width =~ /\D/ || $width == 0) {9       # the original source silently defaults to 80 cols.o       # I think that's rude.I       warn "Don't understand -w argument `$width'.  Using 80 columns.\n";C       $width = 80;     }h	     next;d   }X$   warn "$0: illegal option -- $_\n";
   usage(); }    # scale characters to widtho my @printmask;$ for (my $i = 0; $i < $width; $i++) {$   $printmask[$i * 132 / $width] = 1; }?  
 # get message  my $message;) if (@ARGV) { $message = join ' ', @ARGV }e else {   print STDERR "Message: ";j   chomp($message = <STDIN>); }e   # check messageO my $ok = 1;B while ($message =~ /(.)/g) {    unless ($ascii_to_table{$1}) {     $ok = 0;@     warn "$0: The character `$1' is not in my character set.\n";   }  }t exit 1 unless $ok;   # print banner while ($message =~ /(.)/g) {   my @line = (' ') x DWIDTH;   my $pc = $ascii_to_table{$1};e%   my $term = my $max = my $linen = 0;c   while (!$term) {A     if ($pc < 0 || $pc > $#data_table) { die "$0: bad pc $pc\n" } $     my $x = $data_table[$pc] & 0377;     if ($x >= 128) {       ++$term if $x > 192;       $x &= 63;3       while ($x--) { 	if ($printmask[$linen++]) {& 	  for (my $i = 0; $i <= $max; $i++) {' 	    print $line[$i] if $printmask[$i];m 	  } 	  print "\n"; 	}       }a       @line = (' ') x DWIDTH;e       $pc++;     }      else {  # $x < 128!       my $y = $data_table[$pc+1];c       $max = $x + $y;k-       while ($x < $max) { $line[$x++] = '#' }t       $pc += 2;0     }D   }- }    exit 0;-     BEGIN {-'   @ascii_to_table{ map {chr} 0..127 } =      (rI         0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,  # ^@ UI         0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,  # ^H fI         0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,  # ^P yI         0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,  # ^X dI         1,      3,     50,     81,    104,    281,    483,    590,  #    yI       621,    685,    749,    851,    862,    893,    898,    921,  #  ( VI      1019,   1150,   1200,   1419,   1599,   1744,   1934,   2111,  #  0 iI      2235,   2445,   2622,   2659,      0,   2708,      0,   2715,  #  8  I      2857,   3072,   3273,   3403,   3560,   3662,   3730,   3785,  #  @ bI      3965,   4000,   4015,   4115,   4281,   4314,   4432,   4548,  #  H tI      4709,   4790,   4999,   5188,   5397,   5448,   5576,   5710,  #  P hI      5892,   6106,   6257,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0,  #  X .I        50,   6503,   6642,   6733,   6837,   6930,   7073,   7157,  #  ` cI      7380,   7452,   7499,   7584,   7689,   7702,   7797,   7869,  #  h lI      7978,   8069,   8160,   8222,   8381,   8442,   8508,   8605,  #  p eI      8732,   8888,   9016,      0,      0,      0,      0,      0   #  x n     );   $   # Table of stuff to print. Format:(   # 128+n -> print current line n times.'   # 64+n  -> this is last byte of char.:F   # else, put m chars at position n (where m is the next elt in array)*   # and goto second next element in array.   @data_table =      (_=      #0     1     2     3     4     5     6     7     8     9wH      129,  227,  130,   34,    6,   90,   19,  129,   32,   10,  #    0 H       74,   40,  129,   31,   12,   64,   53,  129,   30,   14,  #   10 H       54,   65,  129,   30,   14,   53,   67,  129,   30,   14,  #   20 H       54,   65,  129,   31,   12,   64,   53,  129,   32,   10,  #   30 H       74,   40,  129,   34,    6,   90,   19,  129,  194,  130,  #   40 H       99,    9,  129,   97,   14,  129,   96,   18,  129,   95,  #   50 H       22,  129,   95,   16,  117,    2,  129,   95,   14,  129,  #   60 H       96,   11,  129,   97,    9,  129,   99,    6,  129,  194,  #   70 H      129,   87,    4,  101,    4,  131,   82,   28,  131,   87,  #   80 H        4,  101,    4,  133,   82,   28,  131,   87,    4,  101,  #   90 H        4,  131,  193,  129,   39,    1,   84,   27,  129,   38,  #  100 H        3,   81,   32,  129,   37,    5,   79,   35,  129,   36,  #  110 H        5,   77,   38,  129,   35,    5,   76,   40,  129,   34,  #  120 H        5,   75,   21,  103,   14,  129,   33,    5,   74,   19,  #  130 H      107,   11,  129,   32,    5,   73,   17,  110,    9,  129,  #  140 H       32,    4,   73,   16,  112,    7,  129,   31,    4,   72,  #  150 H       15,  114,    6,  129,   31,    4,   72,   14,  115,    5,  #  160 H      129,   30,    4,   71,   15,  116,    5,  129,   27,   97,  #  170 H      131,   30,    4,   69,   14,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,  #  180 H       68,   15,  117,    4,  132,   30,    4,   68,   14,  117,  #  190 H        4,  129,   27,   97,  131,   30,    5,   65,   15,  116,  #  200 H        5,  129,   31,    4,   65,   14,  116,    4,  129,   31,  #  210 H        6,   64,   15,  116,    4,  129,   32,    7,   62,   16,  #  220 H      115,    4,  129,   32,    9,   61,   17,  114,    5,  129,  #  230 H       33,   11,   58,   19,  113,    5,  129,   34,   14,   55,  #  240 H       21,  112,    5,  129,   35,   40,  111,    5,  129,   36,  #  250 H       38,  110,    5,  129,   37,   35,  109,    5,  129,   38,  #  260 H       32,  110,    3,  129,   40,   27,  111,    1,  129,  193,  #  270 H      129,   30,    4,  103,    9,  129,   30,    7,  100,   15,  #  280 H      129,   30,   10,   99,   17,  129,   33,   10,   97,    6,  #  290 H      112,    6,  129,   36,   10,   96,    5,  114,    5,  129,  #  300 H       39,   10,   96,    4,  115,    4,  129,   42,   10,   95,  #  310 H        4,  116,    4,  129,   45,   10,   95,    3,  117,    3,  #  320 H      129,   48,   10,   95,    3,  117,    3,  129,   51,   10,  #  330 H       95,    4,  116,    4,  129,   54,   10,   96,    4,  115,  #  340 H        4,  129,   57,   10,   96,    5,  114,    5,  129,   60,  #  350 H       10,   97,    6,  112,    6,  129,   63,   10,   99,   17,  #  360 H      129,   66,   10,  100,   15,  129,   69,   10,  103,    9,  #  370 H      129,   39,    9,   72,   10,  129,   36,   15,   75,   10,  #  380 H      129,   35,   17,   78,   10,  129,   33,    6,   48,    6,  #  390 H       81,   10,  129,   32,    5,   50,    5,   84,   10,  129,  #  400 H       32,    4,   51,    4,   87,   10,  129,   31,    4,   52,  #  410 H        4,   90,   10,  129,   31,    3,   53,    3,   93,   10,  #  420 H      129,   31,    3,   53,    3,   96,   10,  129,   31,    4,  #  430 H       52,    4,   99,   10,  129,   32,    4,   51,    4,  102,  #  440 H       10,  129,   32,    5,   50,    5,  105,   10,  129,   33,  #  450 H        6,   48,    6,  108,   10,  129,   35,   17,  111,   10,  #  460 H      129,   36,   15,  114,    7,  129,   40,    9,  118,    4,  #  470 H      129,  193,  129,   48,   18,  129,   43,   28,  129,   41,  #  480 H       32,  129,   39,   36,  129,   37,   40,  129,   35,   44,  #  490 H      129,   34,   46,  129,   33,   13,   68,   13,  129,   32,  #  500 H        9,   73,    9,  129,   32,    7,   75,    7,  129,   31,  #  510 H        6,   77,    6,  129,   31,    5,   78,    5,  129,   30,  #  520 H        5,   79,    5,  129,   20,   74,  132,   30,    4,   80,  #  530 H        4,  129,   31,    3,   79,    4,  129,   31,    4,   79,  #  540 H        4,  129,   32,    3,   78,    4,  129,   32,    4,   76,  #  550 H        6,  129,   33,    4,   74,    7,  129,   34,    4,   72,  #  560 H        8,  129,   35,    5,   72,    7,  129,   37,    5,   73,  #  570 H        4,  129,   39,    4,   74,    1,  129,  129,  193,  130,  #  580 H      111,    6,  129,  109,   10,  129,  108,   12,  129,  107,  #  590 H       14,  129,   97,    2,  105,   16,  129,   99,   22,  129,  #  600 H      102,   18,  129,  105,   14,  129,  108,    9,  129,  194,  #  610 H      130,   63,   25,  129,   57,   37,  129,   52,   47,  129,  #  620 H       48,   55,  129,   44,   63,  129,   41,   69,  129,   38,  #  630 H       75,  129,   36,   79,  129,   34,   83,  129,   33,   28,  #  640 H       90,   28,  129,   32,   23,   96,   23,  129,   32,   17,  #  650 H      102,   17,  129,   31,   13,  107,   13,  129,   30,    9,  #  660 H      112,    9,  129,   30,    5,  116,    5,  129,   30,    1,  #  670 H      120,    1,  129,  194,  130,   30,    1,  120,    1,  129,  #  680 H       30,    5,  116,    5,  129,   30,    9,  112,    9,  129,  #  690 H       31,   13,  107,   13,  129,   32,   17,  102,   17,  129,  #  700 H       32,   23,   96,   23,  129,   33,   28,   90,   28,  129,  #  710 H       34,   83,  129,   36,   79,  129,   38,   75,  129,   41,  #  720 H       69,  129,   44,   63,  129,   48,   55,  129,   52,   47,  #  730 H      129,   57,   37,  129,   63,   25,  129,  194,  129,   80,  #  740 H        4,  130,   80,    4,  129,   68,    2,   80,    4,   94,  #  750 H        2,  129,   66,    6,   80,    4,   92,    6,  129,   67,  #  760 H        7,   80,    4,   90,    7,  129,   69,    7,   80,    4,  #  770 H       88,    7,  129,   71,    6,   80,    4,   87,    6,  129,  #  780 H       72,   20,  129,   74,   16,  129,   76,   12,  129,   62,  #  790 H       40,  131,   76,   12,  129,   74,   16,  129,   72,   20,  #  800 H      129,   71,    6,   80,    4,   87,    6,  129,   69,    7,  #  810 H       80,    4,   88,    7,  129,   67,    7,   80,    4,   90,  #  820 H        7,  129,   66,    6,   80,    4,   92,    6,  129,   68,  #  830 H        2,   80,    4,   94,    2,  129,   80,    4,  130,  193,  #  840 H      129,   60,    4,  139,   41,   42,  131,   60,    4,  139,  #  850 H      193,  130,   34,    6,  129,   32,   10,  129,   31,   12,  #  860 H      129,   30,   14,  129,   20,    2,   28,   16,  129,   22,  #  870 H       22,  129,   24,   19,  129,   27,   15,  129,   31,    9,  #  880 H      129,  194,  129,   60,    4,  152,  193,  130,   34,    6,  #  890 H      129,   32,   10,  129,   31,   12,  129,   30,   14,  131,  #  900 H       31,   12,  129,   32,   10,  129,   34,    6,  129,  194,  #  910 H      129,   30,    4,  129,   30,    7,  129,   30,   10,  129,  #  920 H       33,   10,  129,   36,   10,  129,   39,   10,  129,   42,  #  930 H       10,  129,   45,   10,  129,   48,   10,  129,   51,   10,  #  940 H      129,   54,   10,  129,   57,   10,  129,   60,   10,  129,  #  950 H       63,   10,  129,   66,   10,  129,   69,   10,  129,   72,  #  960 H       10,  129,   75,   10,  129,   78,   10,  129,   81,   10,  #  970 H      129,   84,   10,  129,   87,   10,  129,   90,   10,  129,  #  980 H       93,   10,  129,   96,   10,  129,   99,   10,  129,  102,  #  990 H       10,  129,  105,   10,  129,  108,   10,  129,  111,   10,  # 1000 H      129,  114,    7,  129,  117,    4,  129,  193,  129,   60,  # 1010 H       31,  129,   53,   45,  129,   49,   53,  129,   46,   59,  # 1020 H      129,   43,   65,  129,   41,   69,  129,   39,   73,  129,  # 1030 H       37,   77,  129,   36,   79,  129,   35,   15,  101,   15,  # 1040 H      129,   34,   11,  106,   11,  129,   33,    9,  109,    9,  # 1050 H      129,   32,    7,  112,    7,  129,   31,    6,  114,    6,  # 1060 H      129,   31,    5,  115,    5,  129,   30,    5,  116,    5,  # 1070 H      129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,   30,    5,  116,    5,  # 1080 H      129,   31,    5,  115,    5,  129,   31,    6,  114,    6,  # 1090 H      129,   32,    7,  112,    7,  129,   33,    9,  109,    9,  # 1100 H      129,   34,   11,  106,   11,  129,   35,   15,  101,   15,  # 1110 H      129,   36,   79,  129,   37,   77,  129,   39,   73,  129,  # 1120 H       41,   69,  129,   43,   65,  129,   46,   59,  129,   49,  # 1130 H       53,  129,   53,   45,  129,   60,   31,  129,  193,  129,  # 1140 H       30,    4,  129,   30,    4,  100,    1,  129,   30,    4,  # 1150 H      100,    3,  129,   30,    4,  100,    5,  129,   30,   76,  # 1160 H      129,   30,   78,  129,   30,   80,  129,   30,   82,  129,  # 1170 H       30,   83,  129,   30,   85,  129,   30,   87,  129,   30,  # 1180 H       89,  129,   30,   91,  129,   30,    4,  132,  193,  129,  # 1190 H       30,    3,  129,   30,    7,  129,   30,   10,  112,    1,  # 1200 H      129,   30,   13,  112,    2,  129,   30,   16,  112,    3,  # 1210 H      129,   30,   18,  111,    5,  129,   30,   21,  111,    6,  # 1220 H      129,   30,   23,  112,    6,  129,   30,   14,   47,    8,  # 1230 H      113,    6,  129,   30,   14,   49,    8,  114,    5,  129,  # 1240 H       30,   14,   51,    8,  115,    5,  129,   30,   14,   53,  # 1250 H        8,  116,    4,  129,   30,   14,   55,    8,  116,    5,  # 1260 H      129,   30,   14,   56,    9,  117,    4,  129,   30,   14,  # 1270 H       57,    9,  117,    4,  129,   30,   14,   58,   10,  117,  # 1280 H        4,  129,   30,   14,   59,   10,  117,    4,  129,   30,  # 1290 H       14,   60,   11,  117,    4,  129,   30,   14,   61,   11,  # 1300 H      116,    5,  129,   30,   14,   62,   11,  116,    5,  129,  # 1310 H       30,   14,   63,   12,  115,    6,  129,   30,   14,   64,  # 1320 H       13,  114,    7,  129,   30,   14,   65,   13,  113,    8,  # 1330 H      129,   30,   14,   65,   15,  111,    9,  129,   30,   14,  # 1340 H       66,   16,  109,   11,  129,   30,   14,   67,   17,  107,  # 1350 H       12,  129,   30,   14,   68,   20,  103,   16,  129,   30,  # 1360 H       14,   69,   49,  129,   30,   14,   70,   47,  129,   30,  # 1370 H       14,   71,   45,  129,   30,   14,   73,   42,  129,   30,  # 1380 H       15,   75,   38,  129,   33,   12,   77,   34,  129,   36,  # 1390 H       10,   79,   30,  129,   40,    6,   82,   23,  129,   44,  # 1400 H        3,   86,   15,  129,   47,    1,  129,  193,  129,  129,  # 1410 H       38,    3,  129,   37,    5,  111,    1,  129,   36,    7,  # 1420 H      111,    2,  129,   35,    9,  110,    5,  129,   34,    8,  # 1430 H      110,    6,  129,   33,    7,  109,    8,  129,   32,    7,  # 1440 H      110,    8,  129,   32,    6,  112,    7,  129,   31,    6,  # 1450 H      113,    6,  129,   31,    5,  114,    6,  129,   30,    5,  # 1460 H      115,    5,  129,   30,    5,  116,    4,  129,   30,    4,  # 1470 H      117,    4,  131,   30,    4,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,  # 1480 H       79,    2,  117,    4,  129,   30,    5,   78,    4,  117,  # 1490 H        4,  129,   30,    5,   77,    6,  116,    5,  129,   30,  # 1500 H        6,   76,    8,  115,    6,  129,   30,    7,   75,   11,  # 1510 H      114,    6,  129,   30,    8,   73,   15,  112,    8,  129,  # 1520 H       31,    9,   71,   19,  110,    9,  129,   31,   11,   68,  # 1530 H       26,  107,   12,  129,   32,   13,   65,   14,   82,   36,  # 1540 H      129,   32,   16,   61,   17,   83,   34,  129,   33,   44,  # 1550 H       84,   32,  129,   34,   42,   85,   30,  129,   35,   40,  # 1560 H       87,   27,  129,   36,   38,   89,   23,  129,   38,   34,  # 1570 H       92,   17,  129,   40,   30,   95,   11,  129,   42,   26,  # 1580 H      129,   45,   20,  129,   49,   11,  129,  193,  129,   49,  # 1590 H        1,  129,   49,    4,  129,   49,    6,  129,   49,    8,  # 1600 H      129,   49,   10,  129,   49,   12,  129,   49,   14,  129,  # 1610 H       49,   17,  129,   49,   19,  129,   49,   21,  129,   49,  # 1620 H       23,  129,   49,   14,   65,    9,  129,   49,   14,   67,  # 1630 H        9,  129,   49,   14,   69,    9,  129,   49,   14,   71,  # 1640 H       10,  129,   49,   14,   74,    9,  129,   49,   14,   76,  # 1650 H        9,  129,   49,   14,   78,    9,  129,   49,   14,   80,  # 1660 H        9,  129,   49,   14,   82,    9,  129,   49,   14,   84,  # 1670 H        9,  129,   30,    4,   49,   14,   86,   10,  129,   30,  # 1680 H        4,   49,   14,   89,    9,  129,   30,    4,   49,   14,  # 1690 H       91,    9,  129,   30,    4,   49,   14,   93,    9,  129,  # 1700 H       30,   74,  129,   30,   76,  129,   30,   78,  129,   30,  # 1710 H       81,  129,   30,   83,  129,   30,   85,  129,   30,   87,  # 1720 H      129,   30,   89,  129,   30,   91,  129,   30,    4,   49,  # 1730 H       14,  132,  193,  129,   37,    1,  129,   36,    3,   77,  # 1740 H        3,  129,   35,    5,   78,   11,  129,   34,    7,   78,  # 1750 H       21,  129,   33,    7,   79,   29,  129,   32,    7,   79,  # 1760 H       38,  129,   32,    6,   80,    4,   92,   29,  129,   31,  # 1770 H        6,   80,    5,  102,   19,  129,   31,    5,   80,    6,  # 1780 H      107,   14,  129,   31,    4,   81,    5,  107,   14,  129,  # 1790 H       30,    5,   81,    6,  107,   14,  129,   30,    4,   81,  # 1800 H        6,  107,   14,  130,   30,    4,   81,    7,  107,   14,  # 1810 H      129,   30,    4,   80,    8,  107,   14,  130,   30,    5,  # 1820 H       80,    8,  107,   14,  129,   30,    5,   79,    9,  107,  # 1830 H       14,  129,   31,    5,   79,    9,  107,   14,  129,   31,  # 1840 H        6,   78,   10,  107,   14,  129,   32,    6,   76,   11,  # 1850 H      107,   14,  129,   32,    8,   74,   13,  107,   14,  129,  # 1860 H       33,   10,   71,   16,  107,   14,  129,   33,   15,   67,  # 1870 H       19,  107,   14,  129,   34,   51,  107,   14,  129,   35,  # 1880 H       49,  107,   14,  129,   36,   47,  107,   14,  129,   37,  # 1890 H       45,  107,   14,  129,   39,   41,  107,   14,  129,   41,  # 1900 H       37,  107,   14,  129,   44,   32,  107,   14,  129,   47,  # 1910 H       25,  111,   10,  129,   51,   16,  115,    6,  129,  119,  # 1920 H        2,  129,  193,  129,   56,   39,  129,   51,   49,  129,  # 1930 H       47,   57,  129,   44,   63,  129,   42,   67,  129,   40,  # 1940 H       71,  129,   38,   75,  129,   37,   77,  129,   35,   81,  # 1950 H      129,   34,   16,   74,    5,  101,   16,  129,   33,   11,  # 1960 H       76,    5,  107,   11,  129,   32,    9,   77,    5,  110,  # 1970 H        9,  129,   32,    7,   79,    4,  112,    7,  129,   31,  # 1980 H        6,   80,    4,  114,    6,  129,   31,    5,   81,    4,  # 1990 H      115,    5,  129,   30,    5,   82,    4,  116,    5,  129,  # 2000 H       30,    4,   82,    4,  116,    5,  129,   30,    4,   82,  # 2010 H        5,  117,    4,  131,   30,    5,   82,    5,  117,    4,  # 2020 H      129,   31,    5,   81,    6,  117,    4,  129,   31,    6,  # 2030 H       80,    7,  117,    4,  129,   32,    7,   79,    8,  117,  # 2040 H        4,  129,   32,    9,   77,    9,  116,    5,  129,   33,  # 2050 H       11,   75,   11,  116,    4,  129,   34,   16,   69,   16,  # 2060 H      115,    5,  129,   35,   49,  114,    5,  129,   37,   46,  # 2070 H      113,    5,  129,   38,   44,  112,    6,  129,   40,   41,  # 2080 H      112,    5,  129,   42,   37,  113,    3,  129,   44,   33,  # 2090 H      114,    1,  129,   47,   27,  129,   51,   17,  129,  193,  # 2100 H      129,  103,    2,  129,  103,    6,  129,  104,    9,  129,  # 2110 H      105,   12,  129,  106,   15,  129,  107,   14,  135,   30,  # 2120 H       10,  107,   14,  129,   30,   17,  107,   14,  129,   30,  # 2130 H       25,  107,   14,  129,   30,   31,  107,   14,  129,   30,  # 2140 H       37,  107,   14,  129,   30,   42,  107,   14,  129,   30,  # 2150 H       46,  107,   14,  129,   30,   50,  107,   14,  129,   30,  # 2160 H       54,  107,   14,  129,   30,   58,  107,   14,  129,   59,  # 2170 H       32,  107,   14,  129,   64,   30,  107,   14,  129,   74,  # 2180 H       23,  107,   14,  129,   81,   18,  107,   14,  129,   86,  # 2190 H       16,  107,   14,  129,   91,   14,  107,   14,  129,   96,  # 2200 H       25,  129,  100,   21,  129,  104,   17,  129,  107,   14,  # 2210 H      129,  111,   10,  129,  114,    7,  129,  117,    4,  129,  # 2220 H      120,    1,  129,  193,  129,   48,   13,  129,   44,   21,  # 2230 H      129,   42,   26,  129,   40,   30,   92,   12,  129,   38,  # 2240 H       34,   88,   20,  129,   36,   37,   86,   25,  129,   35,  # 2250 H       39,   84,   29,  129,   34,   13,   63,   12,   82,   33,  # 2260 H      129,   33,   11,   67,    9,   80,   36,  129,   32,    9,  # 2270 H       70,    7,   79,   38,  129,   31,    8,   72,   46,  129,  # 2280 H       30,    7,   74,   22,  108,   11,  129,   30,    6,   75,  # 2290 H       19,  111,    9,  129,   30,    5,   75,   17,  113,    7,  # 2300 H      129,   30,    5,   74,   16,  114,    6,  129,   30,    4,  # 2310 H       73,   16,  115,    6,  129,   30,    4,   72,   16,  116,  # 2320 H        5,  129,   30,    4,   72,   15,  117,    4,  129,   30,  # 2330 H        4,   71,   16,  117,    4,  129,   30,    5,   70,   16,  # 2340 H      117,    4,  129,   30,    5,   70,   15,  117,    4,  129,  # 2350 H       30,    6,   69,   15,  116,    5,  129,   30,    7,   68,  # 2360 H       17,  115,    5,  129,   30,    9,   67,   19,  114,    6,  # 2370 H      129,   30,   10,   65,   22,  113,    6,  129,   31,   12,  # 2380 H       63,   27,  110,    9,  129,   32,   14,   60,   21,   84,  # 2390 H        9,  106,   12,  129,   33,   47,   85,   32,  129,   34,  # 2400 H       45,   86,   30,  129,   35,   43,   88,   26,  129,   36,  # 2410 H       40,   90,   22,  129,   38,   36,   93,   17,  129,   40,  # 2420 H       32,   96,   10,  129,   42,   28,  129,   44,   23,  129,  # 2430 H       48,   15,  129,  193,  129,   83,   17,  129,   77,   27,  # 2440 H      129,   36,    1,   74,   33,  129,   35,    3,   72,   37,  # 2450 H      129,   34,    5,   70,   41,  129,   33,    6,   69,   44,  # 2460 H      129,   33,    5,   68,   46,  129,   32,    5,   67,   49,  # 2470 H      129,   31,    5,   66,   17,  101,   16,  129,   31,    5,  # 2480 H       66,   11,  108,   10,  129,   30,    4,   65,    9,  110,  # 2490 H        9,  129,   30,    4,   64,    8,  112,    7,  129,   30,  # 2500 H        4,   64,    7,  114,    6,  129,   30,    4,   64,    6,  # 2510 H      115,    5,  129,   30,    4,   64,    5,  116,    5,  129,  # 2520 H       30,    4,   64,    5,  117,    4,  131,   30,    4,   65,  # 2530 H        4,  117,    4,  129,   30,    5,   65,    4,  116,    5,  # 2540 H      129,   31,    5,   66,    4,  115,    5,  129,   31,    6,  # 2550 H       67,    4,  114,    6,  129,   32,    7,   68,    4,  112,  # 2560 H        7,  129,   32,    9,   69,    5,  110,    9,  129,   33,  # 2570 G       11,   70,    5,  107,   11,  129,   34,   16,   72,    5,  # 2580 H      101,   16,  129,   35,   81,  129,   37,   77,  129,   38,  # 2590 H       75,  129,   40,   71,  129,   42,   67,  129,   44,   63,  # 2600 H      129,   47,   57,  129,   51,   49,  129,   56,   39,  129,  # 2610 H      193,  130,   34,    6,   74,    6,  129,   32,   10,   72,  # 2620 H       10,  129,   31,   12,   71,   12,  129,   30,   14,   70,  # 2630 H       14,  131,   31,   12,   71,   12,  129,   32,   10,   72,  # 2640 H       10,  129,   34,    6,   74,    6,  129,  194,  130,   34,  # 2650 H        6,   74,    6,  129,   32,   10,   72,   10,  129,   31,  # 2660 H       12,   71,   12,  129,   30,   14,   70,   14,  129,   20,  # 2670 H        2,   28,   16,   70,   14,  129,   22,   22,   70,   14,  # 2680 H      129,   24,   19,   71,   12,  129,   27,   15,   72,   10,  # 2690 H      129,   31,    9,   74,    6,  129,  194,  129,   53,    4,  # 2700 H       63,    4,  152,  193,  130,   99,    7,  129,   97,   13,  # 2710 H      129,   96,   16,  129,   96,   18,  129,   96,   19,  129,  # 2720 H       97,   19,  129,   99,    6,  110,    7,  129,  112,    6,  # 2730 H      129,  114,    5,  129,   34,    6,   57,    5,  115,    4,  # 2740 H      129,   32,   10,   54,   12,  116,    4,  129,   31,   12,  # 2750 H       53,   16,  117,    3,  129,   30,   14,   52,   20,  117,  # 2760 H        4,  129,   30,   14,   52,   23,  117,    4,  129,   30,  # 2770 H       14,   52,   25,  117,    4,  129,   31,   12,   52,   27,  # 2780 H      117,    4,  129,   32,   10,   53,   10,   70,   11,  116,  # 2790 H        5,  129,   34,    6,   55,    5,   73,   10,  115,    6,  # 2800 H      129,   74,   11,  114,    7,  129,   75,   12,  112,    9,  # 2810 H      129,   76,   13,  110,   10,  129,   77,   16,  106,   14,  # 2820 H      129,   78,   41,  129,   80,   38,  129,   81,   36,  129,  # 2830 H       82,   34,  129,   84,   30,  129,   86,   26,  129,   88,  # 2840 H       22,  129,   92,   14,  129,  194,  129,   55,   15,  129,  # 2850 H       50,   25,  129,   47,   32,  129,   45,   13,   70,   12,  # 2860 H      129,   43,    9,   76,   10,  129,   42,    6,   79,    8,  # 2870 H      129,   41,    5,   81,    7,  129,   40,    4,   84,    6,  # 2880 H      129,   39,    4,   59,   12,   85,    6,  129,   38,    4,  # 2890 H       55,   19,   87,    5,  129,   37,    4,   53,   23,   88,  # 2900 H        4,  129,   36,    4,   51,    8,   71,    6,   89,    4,  # 2910 H      129,   36,    4,   51,    6,   73,    4,   89,    4,  129,  # 2920 H       36,    4,   50,    6,   74,    4,   90,    3,  129,   35,  # 2930 H        4,   50,    5,   75,    3,   90,    4,  129,   35,    4,  # 2940 H       50,    4,   75,    4,   90,    4,  131,   35,    4,   50,  # 2950 H        5,   75,    4,   90,    4,  129,   36,    4,   51,    5,  # 2960 H       75,    4,   90,    4,  129,   36,    4,   51,    6,   75,  # 2970 H        4,   90,    4,  129,   36,    4,   53,   26,   90,    4,  # 2980 H      129,   37,    4,   54,   25,   90,    4,  129,   37,    4,  # 2990 H       52,   27,   90,    3,  129,   38,    4,   52,    4,   89,  # 3000 H        4,  129,   39,    4,   51,    4,   88,    4,  129,   40,  # 3010 H        4,   50,    4,   87,    5,  129,   41,    4,   50,    4,  # 3020 H       86,    5,  129,   42,    4,   50,    4,   85,    5,  129,  # 3030 H       43,    3,   50,    4,   83,    6,  129,   44,    2,   51,  # 3040 H        5,   80,    7,  129,   46,    1,   52,    6,   76,    9,  # 3050 H      129,   54,   28,  129,   56,   23,  129,   60,   16,  129,  # 3060 H      193,  129,   30,    4,  132,   30,    5,  129,   30,    8,  # 3070 H      129,   30,   12,  129,   30,   16,  129,   30,    4,   37,  # 3080 H       12,  129,   30,    4,   41,   12,  129,   30,    4,   44,  # 3090 H       13,  129,   30,    4,   48,   13,  129,   52,   13,  129,  # 3100 H       56,   12,  129,   58,   14,  129,   58,    4,   64,   12,  # 3110 H      129,   58,    4,   68,   12,  129,   58,    4,   72,   12,  # 3120 H      129,   58,    4,   75,   13,  129,   58,    4,   79,   13,  # 3130 H      129,   58,    4,   83,   13,  129,   58,    4,   87,   13,  # 3140 H      129,   58,    4,   91,   12,  129,   58,    4,   95,   12,  # 3150 H      129,   58,    4,   96,   15,  129,   58,    4,   93,   22,  # 3160 H      129,   58,    4,   89,   30,  129,   58,    4,   85,   36,  # 3170 H      129,   58,    4,   81,   38,  129,   58,    4,   77,   38,  # 3180 H      129,   58,    4,   73,   38,  129,   58,    4,   70,   37,  # 3190 H      129,   58,    4,   66,   37,  129,   58,   41,  129,   58,  # 3200 H       37,  129,   54,   38,  129,   30,    4,   50,   38,  129,  # 3210 H       30,    4,   46,   38,  129,   30,    4,   42,   38,  129,  # 3220 H       30,    4,   38,   39,  129,   30,   43,  129,   30,   39,  # 3230 H      129,   30,   35,  129,   30,   31,  129,   30,   27,  129,  # 3240 H       30,   24,  129,   30,   20,  129,   30,   16,  129,   30,  # 3250 H       12,  129,   30,    8,  129,   30,    5,  129,   30,    4,  # 3260 H      132,  193,  129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,   30,   91,  # 3270 H      137,   30,    4,   80,    4,  117,    4,  138,   30,    4,  # 3280 H       80,    5,  116,    5,  129,   30,    5,   79,    6,  116,  # 3290 H        5,  130,   30,    6,   78,    8,  115,    6,  129,   31,  # 3300 H        6,   77,    9,  115,    6,  129,   31,    7,   76,   11,  # 3310 H      114,    6,  129,   31,    8,   75,   14,  112,    8,  129,  # 3320 H       32,    8,   74,   16,  111,    9,  129,   32,    9,   73,  # 3330 H       19,  109,   10,  129,   33,   10,   71,   24,  106,   13,  # 3340 H      129,   33,   13,   68,   12,   83,   35,  129,   34,   16,  # 3350 H       64,   15,   84,   33,  129,   35,   43,   85,   31,  129,  # 3360 H       36,   41,   86,   29,  129,   37,   39,   88,   25,  129,  # 3370 H       38,   37,   90,   21,  129,   40,   33,   93,   15,  129,  # 3380 H       42,   29,   96,    9,  129,   45,   24,  129,   49,   16,  # 3390 H      129,  193,  129,   63,   25,  129,   57,   37,  129,   53,  # 3400 H       45,  129,   50,   51,  129,   47,   57,  129,   45,   61,  # 3410 H      129,   43,   65,  129,   41,   69,  129,   39,   73,  129,  # 3420 H       38,   25,   92,   21,  129,   36,   21,   97,   18,  129,  # 3430 H       35,   18,  102,   14,  129,   34,   16,  106,   11,  129,  # 3440 H       33,   14,  108,   10,  129,   32,   12,  111,    8,  129,  # 3450 H       32,   10,  113,    6,  129,   31,   10,  114,    6,  129,  # 3460 H       31,    8,  115,    5,  129,   30,    8,  116,    5,  129,  # 3470 H       30,    7,  116,    5,  129,   30,    6,  117,    4,  130,  # 3480 H       30,    5,  117,    4,  131,   31,    4,  116,    5,  129,  # 3490 H       32,    4,  116,    4,  129,   32,    5,  115,    5,  129,  # 3500 H       33,    4,  114,    5,  129,   34,    4,  112,    6,  129,  # 3510 H       35,    4,  110,    7,  129,   37,    4,  107,    9,  129,  # 3520 H       39,    4,  103,   12,  129,   41,    4,  103,   18,  129,  # 3530 H       43,    4,  103,   18,  129,   45,    5,  103,   18,  129,  # 3540 H       48,    5,  103,   18,  129,   51,    1,  129,  193,  129,  # 3550 H       30,    4,  117,    4,  132,   30,   91,  137,   30,    4,  # 3560 H      117,    4,  135,   30,    5,  116,    5,  130,   30,    6,  # 3570 H      115,    6,  130,   31,    6,  114,    6,  129,   31,    7,  # 3580 H      113,    7,  129,   32,    7,  112,    7,  129,   32,    8,  # 3590 H      111,    8,  129,   33,    9,  109,    9,  129,   33,   12,  # 3600 H      106,   12,  129,   34,   13,  104,   13,  129,   35,   15,  # 3610 H      101,   15,  129,   36,   19,   96,   19,  129,   37,   24,  # 3620 H       90,   24,  129,   39,   73,  129,   40,   71,  129,   42,  # 3630 H       67,  129,   44,   63,  129,   46,   59,  129,   49,   53,  # 3640 H      129,   52,   47,  129,   56,   39,  129,   61,   29,  129,  # 3650 H      193,  129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,   30,   91,  137,  # 3660 H       30,    4,   80,    4,  117,    4,  140,   30,    4,   79,  # 3670 H        6,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   77,   10,  117,    4,  # 3680 H      129,   30,    4,   73,   18,  117,    4,  132,   30,    4,  # 3690 H      117,    4,  130,   30,    5,  116,    5,  130,   30,    7,  # 3700 H      114,    7,  129,   30,    8,  113,    8,  129,   30,   11,  # 3710 H      110,   11,  129,   30,   18,  103,   18,  132,  193,  129,  # 3720 H       30,    4,  117,    4,  132,   30,   91,  137,   30,    4,  # 3730 H       80,    4,  117,    4,  132,   80,    4,  117,    4,  136,  # 3740 H       79,    6,  117,    4,  129,   77,   10,  117,    4,  129,  # 3750 H       73,   18,  117,    4,  132,  117,    4,  130,  116,    5,  # 3760 H      130,  114,    7,  129,  113,    8,  129,  110,   11,  129,  # 3770 H      103,   18,  132,  193,  129,   63,   25,  129,   57,   37,  # 3780 H      129,   53,   45,  129,   50,   51,  129,   47,   57,  129,  # 3790 H       45,   61,  129,   43,   65,  129,   41,   69,  129,   39,  # 3800 H       73,  129,   38,   25,   92,   21,  129,   36,   21,   97,  # 3810 H       18,  129,   35,   18,  102,   14,  129,   34,   16,  106,  # 3820 H       11,  129,   33,   14,  108,   10,  129,   32,   12,  111,  # 3830 H        8,  129,   32,   10,  113,    6,  129,   31,   10,  114,  # 3840 H        6,  129,   31,    8,  115,    5,  129,   30,    8,  116,  # 3850 H        5,  129,   30,    7,  116,    5,  129,   30,    6,  117,  # 3860 H        4,  130,   30,    5,  117,    4,  131,   30,    5,   75,  # 3870 H        4,  116,    5,  129,   31,    5,   75,    4,  116,    4,  # 3880 H      129,   31,    6,   75,    4,  115,    5,  129,   32,    7,  # 3890 H       75,    4,  114,    5,  129,   32,    9,   75,    4,  112,  # 3900 H        6,  129,   33,   11,   75,    4,  110,    7,  129,   34,  # 3910 H       15,   75,    4,  107,    9,  129,   35,   44,  103,   12,  # 3920 H      129,   36,   43,  103,   18,  129,   38,   41,  103,   18,  # 3930 H      129,   39,   40,  103,   18,  129,   41,   38,  103,   18,  # 3940 H      129,   44,   35,  129,   48,   31,  129,   52,   27,  129,  # 3950 H       61,   18,  129,  193,  129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,  # 3960 H       30,   91,  137,   30,    4,   80,    4,  117,    4,  132,  # 3970 H       80,    4,  140,   30,    4,   80,    4,  117,    4,  132,  # 3980 H       30,   91,  137,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,  193,  129,  # 3990 H       30,    4,  117,    4,  132,   30,   91,  137,   30,    4,  # 4000 H      117,    4,  132,  193,  129,   44,    7,  129,   40,   13,  # 4010 H      129,   37,   17,  129,   35,   20,  129,   34,   22,  129,  # 4020 H       33,   23,  129,   32,   24,  129,   32,   23,  129,   31,  # 4030 H        6,   41,   13,  129,   31,    5,   42,   11,  129,   30,  # 4040 H        5,   44,    7,  129,   30,    4,  132,   30,    5,  130,  # 4050 H       31,    5,  129,   31,    6,  117,    4,  129,   31,    8,  # 4060 H      117,    4,  129,   32,    9,  117,    4,  129,   33,   11,  # 4070 H      117,    4,  129,   34,   87,  129,   35,   86,  129,   36,  # 4080 H       85,  129,   37,   84,  129,   38,   83,  129,   40,   81,  # 4090 H      129,   42,   79,  129,   45,   76,  129,   50,   71,  129,  # 4100 H      117,    4,  132,  193,  129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,  # 4110 H       30,   91,  137,   30,    4,   76,    8,  117,    4,  129,  # 4120 H       30,    4,   73,   13,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   70,  # 4130 H       18,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   67,   23,  117,    4,  # 4140 H      129,   65,   26,  129,   62,   31,  129,   59,   35,  129,  # 4150 H       56,   29,   89,    7,  129,   53,   29,   91,    7,  129,  # 4160 H       50,   29,   93,    7,  129,   47,   29,   95,    6,  129,  # 4170 H       30,    4,   45,   29,   96,    7,  129,   30,    4,   42,  # 4180 H       29,   98,    7,  129,   30,    4,   39,   30,  100,    6,  # 4190 H      129,   30,    4,   36,   30,  101,    7,  129,   30,   33,  # 4200 H      103,    7,  117,    4,  129,   30,   30,  105,    6,  117,  # 4210 H        4,  129,   30,   27,  106,    7,  117,    4,  129,   30,  # 4220 H       25,  108,    7,  117,    4,  129,   30,   22,  110,   11,  # 4230 H      129,   30,   19,  111,   10,  129,   30,   16,  113,    8,  # 4240 H      129,   30,   13,  115,    6,  129,   30,   11,  116,    5,  # 4250 H      129,   30,    8,  117,    4,  129,   30,    5,  117,    4,  # 4260 H      129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  130,   30,    4,  130,  193,  # 4270 H      129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,   30,   91,  137,   30,  # 4280 H        4,  117,    4,  132,   30,    4,  144,   30,    5,  130,  # 4290 H       30,    7,  129,   30,    8,  129,   30,   11,  129,   30,  # 4300 H       18,  132,  193,  129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,   30,  # 4310 H       91,  132,   30,    4,  103,   18,  129,   30,    4,   97,  # 4320 H       24,  129,   30,    4,   92,   29,  129,   30,    4,   87,  # 4330 H       34,  129,   81,   40,  129,   76,   45,  129,   70,   49,  # 4340 H      129,   65,   49,  129,   60,   49,  129,   55,   49,  129,  # 4350 H       50,   48,  129,   44,   49,  129,   39,   48,  129,   33,  # 4360 H       49,  129,   30,   47,  129,   34,   37,  129,   40,   26,  # 4370 H      129,   46,   19,  129,   52,   19,  129,   58,   19,  129,  # 4380 H       64,   19,  129,   70,   19,  129,   76,   19,  129,   82,  # 4390 H       19,  129,   30,    4,   88,   18,  129,   30,    4,   94,  # 4400 H       18,  129,   30,    4,  100,   18,  129,   30,    4,  106,  # 4410 H       15,  129,   30,   91,  137,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,  # 4420 H      193,  129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,   30,   91,  132,  # 4430 H       30,    4,  107,   14,  129,   30,    4,  104,   17,  129,  # 4440 H       30,    4,  101,   20,  129,   30,    4,   99,   22,  129,  # 4450 H       96,   25,  129,   93,   28,  129,   91,   28,  129,   88,  # 4460 H       29,  129,   85,   29,  129,   82,   29,  129,   79,   29,  # 4470 H      129,   76,   29,  129,   74,   29,  129,   71,   29,  129,  # 4480 H       68,   29,  129,   65,   29,  129,   62,   29,  129,   60,  # 4490 H       29,  129,   57,   29,  129,   54,   29,  129,   51,   29,  # 4500 H      129,   49,   28,  129,   46,   29,  129,   43,   29,  129,  # 4510 H       40,   29,  117,    4,  129,   37,   29,  117,    4,  129,  # 4520 H       35,   29,  117,    4,  129,   32,   29,  117,    4,  129,  # 4530 H       30,   91,  132,  117,    4,  132,  193,  129,   63,   25,  # 4540 H      129,   57,   37,  129,   53,   45,  129,   50,   51,  129,  # 4550 H       47,   57,  129,   45,   61,  129,   43,   65,  129,   41,  # 4560 H       69,  129,   39,   73,  129,   38,   21,   92,   21,  129,  # 4570 H       36,   18,   97,   18,  129,   35,   14,  102,   14,  129,  # 4580 H       34,   11,  106,   11,  129,   33,   10,  108,   10,  129,  # 4590 H       32,    8,  111,    8,  129,   32,    6,  113,    6,  129,  # 4600 H       31,    6,  114,    6,  129,   31,    5,  115,    5,  129,  # 4610 H       30,    5,  116,    5,  130,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,  # 4620 H       30,    5,  116,    5,  130,   31,    5,  115,    5,  129,  # 4630 H       31,    6,  114,    6,  129,   32,    6,  113,    6,  129,  # 4640 H       32,    8,  111,    8,  129,   33,   10,  108,   10,  129,  # 4650 H       34,   11,  106,   11,  129,   35,   14,  102,   14,  129,  # 4660 H       36,   18,   97,   18,  129,   38,   21,   92,   21,  129,  # 4670 H       39,   73,  129,   41,   69,  129,   43,   65,  129,   45,  # 4680 H       61,  129,   47,   57,  129,   50,   51,  129,   53,   45,  # 4690 H      129,   57,   37,  129,   63,   25,  129,  193,  129,   30,  # 4700 H        4,  117,    4,  132,   30,   91,  137,   30,    4,   80,  # 4710 H        4,  117,    4,  132,   80,    4,  117,    4,  134,   80,  # 4720 H        5,  116,    5,  131,   80,    6,  115,    6,  130,   81,  # 4730 H        6,  114,    6,  129,   81,    8,  112,    8,  129,   81,  # 4740 H        9,  111,    9,  129,   82,   10,  109,   10,  129,   82,  # 4750 H       13,  106,   13,  129,   83,   35,  129,   84,   33,  129,  # 4760 H       85,   31,  129,   86,   29,  129,   88,   25,  129,   90,  # 4770 H       21,  129,   93,   15,  129,   96,    9,  129,  193,  129,  # 4780 H       63,   25,  129,   57,   37,  129,   53,   45,  129,   50,  # 4790 H       51,  129,   47,   57,  129,   45,   61,  129,   43,   65,  # 4800 H      129,   41,   69,  129,   39,   73,  129,   38,   21,   92,  # 4810 H       21,  129,   36,   18,   97,   18,  129,   35,   14,  102,  # 4820 H       14,  129,   34,   11,  106,   11,  129,   33,   10,  108,  # 4830 H       10,  129,   32,    8,  111,    8,  129,   32,    6,  113,  # 4840 H        6,  129,   31,    6,  114,    6,  129,   31,    5,  115,  # 4850 H        5,  129,   30,    5,  116,    5,  130,   30,    4,   39,  # 4860 H        2,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   40,    4,  117,    4,  # 4870 H      129,   30,    4,   41,    5,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,  # 4880 H       41,    6,  117,    4,  129,   30,    5,   40,    8,  116,  # 4890 H        5,  129,   30,    5,   39,   10,  116,    5,  129,   31,  # 4900 H        5,   38,   11,  115,    5,  129,   31,   18,  114,    6,  # 4910 H      129,   32,   17,  113,    6,  129,   32,   16,  111,    8,  # 4920 H      129,   33,   15,  108,   10,  129,   33,   14,  106,   11,  # 4930 H      129,   32,   17,  102,   14,  129,   31,   23,   97,   18,  # 4940 H      129,   31,   28,   92,   21,  129,   30,   82,  129,   30,  # 4950 H       80,  129,   30,   11,   43,   65,  129,   30,   10,   45,  # 4960 H       61,  129,   31,    8,   47,   57,  129,   32,    6,   50,  # 4970 H       51,  129,   33,    5,   53,   45,  129,   35,    4,   57,  # 4980 H       37,  129,   38,    2,   63,   25,  129,  193,  129,   30,  # 4990 H        4,  117,    4,  132,   30,   91,  137,   30,    4,   76,  # 5000 H        8,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   73,   11,  117,    4,  # 5010 H      129,   30,    4,   70,   14,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,  # 5020 H       67,   17,  117,    4,  129,   65,   19,  117,    4,  129,  # 5030 H       62,   22,  117,    4,  129,   59,   25,  117,    4,  129,  # 5040 H       56,   28,  117,    4,  129,   53,   31,  117,    4,  129,  # 5050 H       50,   34,  117,    4,  129,   47,   29,   80,    5,  116,  # 5060 H        5,  129,   30,    4,   45,   29,   80,    5,  116,    5,  # 5070 H      129,   30,    4,   42,   29,   80,    5,  116,    5,  129,  # 5080 H       30,    4,   39,   30,   80,    6,  115,    6,  129,   30,  # 5090 H        4,   36,   30,   80,    6,  115,    6,  129,   30,   33,  # 5100 H       81,    6,  114,    6,  129,   30,   30,   81,    8,  112,  # 5110 H        8,  129,   30,   27,   81,    9,  111,    9,  129,   30,  # 5120 H       25,   82,   10,  109,   10,  129,   30,   22,   82,   13,  # 5130 H      106,   13,  129,   30,   19,   83,   35,  129,   30,   16,  # 5140 H       84,   33,  129,   30,   13,   85,   31,  129,   30,   11,  # 5150 H       86,   29,  129,   30,    8,   88,   25,  129,   30,    5,  # 5160 H       90,   21,  129,   30,    4,   93,   15,  129,   30,    4,  # 5170 H       96,    9,  129,   30,    4,  130,  193,  129,   30,   18,  # 5180 H      130,   30,   18,   89,   15,  129,   30,   18,   85,   23,  # 5190 H      129,   34,   11,   83,   27,  129,   34,    9,   81,   31,  # 5200 H      129,   33,    8,   79,   35,  129,   33,    6,   78,   16,  # 5210 H      106,    9,  129,   32,    6,   77,   15,  109,    7,  129,  # 5220 H       32,    5,   76,   14,  111,    6,  129,   31,    5,   75,  # 5230 H       14,  113,    5,  129,   31,    4,   74,   15,  114,    5,  # 5240 H      129,   31,    4,   74,   14,  115,    4,  129,   30,    4,  # 5250 H       73,   15,  116,    4,  129,   30,    4,   73,   14,  116,  # 5260 H        4,  129,   30,    4,   73,   14,  117,    4,  129,   30,  # 5270 H        4,   72,   15,  117,    4,  130,   30,    4,   71,   15,  # 5280 H      117,    4,  130,   30,    4,   70,   15,  117,    4,  129,  # 5290 H       30,    5,   70,   15,  117,    4,  129,   30,    5,   69,  # 5300 H       15,  116,    5,  129,   30,    6,   68,   16,  115,    5,  # 5310 H      129,   31,    6,   67,   16,  114,    6,  129,   31,    7,  # 5320 H       66,   17,  113,    6,  129,   32,    7,   64,   18,  111,  # 5330 H        8,  129,   32,    8,   62,   19,  109,    9,  129,   33,  # 5340 H        9,   60,   20,  107,   10,  129,   34,   11,   57,   22,  # 5350 H      103,   13,  129,   35,   43,  103,   18,  129,   36,   41,  # 5360 H      103,   18,  129,   38,   38,  103,   18,  129,   39,   35,  # 5370 H      103,   18,  129,   41,   31,  129,   43,   27,  129,   46,  # 5380 H       22,  129,   49,   14,  129,  193,  129,  103,   18,  132,  # 5390 H      110,   11,  129,  113,    8,  129,  114,    7,  129,  116,  # 5400 H        5,  130,  117,    4,  132,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,  # 5410 H       30,   91,  137,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,  117,    4,  # 5420 H      132,  116,    5,  130,  114,    7,  129,  113,    8,  129,  # 5430 H      110,   11,  129,  103,   18,  132,  193,  129,  117,    4,  # 5440 H      132,   56,   65,  129,   50,   71,  129,   46,   75,  129,  # 5450 H       44,   77,  129,   42,   79,  129,   40,   81,  129,   38,  # 5460 H       83,  129,   36,   85,  129,   35,   86,  129,   34,   20,  # 5470 H      117,    4,  129,   33,   17,  117,    4,  129,   32,   15,  # 5480 H      117,    4,  129,   32,   13,  117,    4,  129,   31,   12,  # 5490 H      129,   31,   10,  129,   31,    9,  129,   30,    9,  129,  # 5500 H       30,    8,  130,   30,    7,  132,   31,    6,  130,   31,  # 5510 H        7,  129,   32,    6,  129,   32,    7,  129,   33,    7,  # 5520 H      129,   34,    7,  129,   35,    8,  129,   36,    9,  117,  # 5530 H        4,  129,   38,    9,  117,    4,  129,   40,   10,  117,  # 5540 H        4,  129,   42,   12,  117,    4,  129,   44,   77,  129,  # 5550 H       46,   75,  129,   50,   71,  129,   56,   43,  100,   21,  # 5560 H      129,  117,    4,  132,  193,  129,  117,    4,  132,  115,  # 5570 H        6,  129,  110,   11,  129,  105,   16,  129,  101,   20,  # 5580 H      129,   96,   25,  129,   92,   29,  129,   87,   34,  129,  # 5590 H       83,   38,  129,   78,   43,  129,   74,   47,  129,   70,  # 5600 H       42,  117,    4,  129,   65,   42,  117,    4,  129,   60,  # 5610 H       43,  117,    4,  129,   56,   42,  129,   51,   42,  129,  # 5620 H       46,   43,  129,   42,   43,  129,   37,   44,  129,   33,  # 5630 H       43,  129,   30,   42,  129,   33,   34,  129,   38,   25,  # 5640 H      129,   42,   16,  129,   47,   15,  129,   52,   15,  129,  # 5650 H       57,   15,  129,   61,   16,  129,   66,   16,  129,   71,  # 5660 H       16,  129,   76,   16,  129,   80,   16,  129,   85,   16,  # 5670 H      117,    4,  129,   90,   16,  117,    4,  129,   95,   16,  # 5680 H      117,    4,  129,  100,   21,  129,  105,   16,  129,  110,  # 5690 H       11,  129,  114,    7,  129,  117,    4,  132,  193,  129,  # 5700 H      117,    4,  132,  115,    6,  129,  110,   11,  129,  105,  # 5710 H       16,  129,  101,   20,  129,   96,   25,  129,   92,   29,  # 5720 H      129,   87,   34,  129,   83,   38,  129,   78,   43,  129,  # 5730 H       74,   47,  129,   70,   42,  117,    4,  129,   65,   42,  # 5740 H      117,    4,  129,   60,   43,  117,    4,  129,   56,   42,  # 5750 H      129,   51,   42,  129,   46,   43,  129,   42,   43,  129,  # 5760 H       37,   44,  129,   33,   43,  129,   30,   42,  129,   33,  # 5770 H       34,  129,   38,   25,  129,   42,   16,  129,   47,   15,  # 5780 H      129,   52,   15,  129,   57,   15,  129,   61,   16,  129,  # 5790 H       65,   17,  129,   60,   27,  129,   56,   36,  129,   51,  # 5800 H       42,  129,   46,   43,  129,   42,   43,  129,   37,   44,  # 5810 H      129,   33,   43,  129,   30,   42,  129,   33,   34,  129,  # 5820 H       38,   25,  129,   42,   16,  129,   47,   15,  129,   52,  # 5830 H       15,  129,   57,   15,  129,   61,   16,  129,   66,   16,  # 5840 H      129,   71,   16,  129,   76,   16,  129,   80,   16,  129,  # 5850 H       85,   16,  117,    4,  129,   90,   16,  117,    4,  129,  # 5860 H       95,   16,  117,    4,  129,  100,   21,  129,  105,   16,  # 5870 H      129,  110,   11,  129,  114,    7,  129,  117,    4,  132,  # 5880 H      193,  129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  132,   30,    4,  115,  # 5890 H        6,  129,   30,    4,  112,    9,  129,   30,    6,  109,  # 5900 H       12,  129,   30,    9,  106,   15,  129,   30,   11,  103,  # 5910 H       18,  129,   30,   14,  100,   21,  129,   30,    4,   38,  # 5920 H        9,   98,   23,  129,   30,    4,   40,   10,   95,   26,  # 5930 H      129,   30,    4,   43,    9,   92,   29,  129,   46,    9,  # 5940 H       89,   32,  129,   49,    8,   86,   28,  117,    4,  129,  # 5950 H       51,    9,   83,   28,  117,    4,  129,   54,    9,   80,  # 5960 H       28,  117,    4,  129,   57,    8,   77,   28,  117,    4,  # 5970 H      129,   59,    9,   74,   28,  129,   62,   37,  129,   64,  # 5980 H       33,  129,   66,   28,  129,   63,   28,  129,   60,   28,  # 5990 H      129,   57,   28,  129,   54,   33,  129,   51,   39,  129,  # 6000 H       48,   29,   83,    9,  129,   30,    4,   45,   29,   86,  # 6010 H        9,  129,   30,    4,   42,   29,   89,    9,  129,   30,  # 6020 H        4,   39,   29,   92,    8,  129,   30,    4,   36,   29,  # 6030 H       94,    9,  129,   30,   32,   97,    9,  129,   30,   29,  # 6040 H      100,    8,  117,    4,  129,   30,   26,  103,    8,  117,  # 6050 H        4,  129,   30,   23,  105,    9,  117,    4,  129,   30,  # 6060 H       20,  108,   13,  129,   30,   18,  111,   10,  129,   30,  # 6070 H       15,  113,    8,  129,   30,   12,  116,    5,  129,   30,  # 6080 H        9,  117,    4,  129,   30,    6,  117,    4,  129,   30,  # 6090 H        4,  117,    4,  132,  193,  129,  117,    4,  132,  114,  # 6100 H        7,  129,  111,   10,  129,  108,   13,  129,  105,   16,  # 6110 H      129,  102,   19,  129,  100,   21,  129,   96,   25,  129,  # 6120 H       93,   28,  129,   90,   31,  129,   87,   34,  129,   84,  # 6130 H       30,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   81,   30,  117,    4,  # 6140 H      129,   30,    4,   78,   30,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,  # 6150 H       75,   30,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   72,   30,  129,  # 6160 H       30,   69,  129,   30,   66,  129,   30,   63,  129,   30,  # 6170 H       60,  129,   30,   57,  129,   30,   54,  129,   30,   51,  # 6180 H      129,   30,   48,  129,   30,   51,  129,   30,    4,   73,  # 6190 H       12,  129,   30,    4,   76,   12,  129,   30,    4,   80,  # 6200 H       12,  129,   30,    4,   83,   12,  129,   87,   12,  129,  # 6210 H       90,   12,  117,    4,  129,   94,   11,  117,    4,  129,  # 6220 H       97,   12,  117,    4,  129,  101,   12,  117,    4,  129,  # 6230 H      104,   17,  129,  108,   13,  129,  111,   10,  129,  115,  # 6240 H        6,  129,  117,    4,  134,  193,  129,   30,    1,  103,  # 6250 H       18,  129,   30,    4,  103,   18,  129,   30,    7,  103,  # 6260 H       18,  129,   30,    9,  103,   18,  129,   30,   12,  110,  # 6270 H       11,  129,   30,   15,  113,    8,  129,   30,   18,  114,  # 6280 H        7,  129,   30,   21,  116,    5,  129,   30,   24,  116,  # 6290 H        5,  129,   30,   27,  117,    4,  129,   30,   30,  117,  # 6300 H        4,  129,   30,   33,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   37,  # 6310 H       28,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   40,   28,  117,    4,  # 6320 H      129,   30,    4,   42,   29,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,  # 6330 H       45,   29,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   48,   29,  117,  # 6340 H        4,  129,   30,    4,   51,   29,  117,    4,  129,   30,  # 6350 H        4,   54,   29,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   57,   29,  # 6360 H      117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   59,   30,  117,    4,  129,  # 6370 H       30,    4,   62,   30,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   65,  # 6380 H       30,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   68,   30,  117,    4,  # 6390 H      129,   30,    4,   71,   30,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,  # 6400 H       74,   30,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   77,   30,  117,  # 6410 H        4,  129,   30,    4,   80,   30,  117,    4,  129,   30,  # 6420 H        4,   83,   30,  117,    4,  129,   30,    4,   86,   35,  # 6430 H      129,   30,    4,   89,   32,  129,   30,    4,   91,   30,  # 6440 H      129,   30,    4,   94,   27,  129,   30,    5,   97,   24,  # 6450 H      129,   30,    5,  100,   21,  129,   30,    7,  103,   18,  # 6460 H      129,   30,    8,  106,   15,  129,   30,   11,  109,   12,  # 6470 H      129,   30,   18,  112,    9,  129,   30,   18,  115,    6,  # 6480 H      129,   30,   18,  117,    4,  129,   30,   18,  120,    1,  # 6490 H      129,  193,  129,   42,    8,  129,   38,   16,  129,   36,  # 6500 H       20,  129,   34,   24,   71,    5,  129,   33,   26,   69,  # 6510 H       10,  129,   32,   28,   68,   13,  129,   31,   30,   68,  # 6520 H       14,  129,   31,    9,   52,    9,   68,   15,  129,   30,  # 6530 H        8,   54,    8,   69,   14,  129,   30,    7,   55,    7,  # 6540 H       71,    4,   78,    6,  129,   30,    6,   56,    6,   79,  # 6550 H        5,  129,   30,    6,   56,    6,   80,    4,  130,   31,  # 6560 H        5,   56,    5,   80,    4,  129,   31,    5,   56,    5,  # 6570 H       79,    5,  129,   32,    5,   55,    5,   78,    6,  129,  # 6580 H       33,    5,   54,    5,   77,    7,  129,   34,    6,   52,  # 6590 H        6,   74,    9,  129,   35,   48,  129,   33,   49,  129,  # 6600 H       32,   49,  129,   31,   49,  129,   30,   49,  129,   30,  # 6610 H       47,  129,   30,   45,  129,   30,   41,  129,   30,    6,  # 6620 H      129,   30,    4,  129,   30,    3,  129,   30,    2,  129,  # 6630 H      193,  129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  130,   31,   90,  136,  # 6640 H       37,    5,   72,    5,  129,   35,    5,   74,    5,  129,  # 6650 H       33,    5,   76,    5,  129,   32,    5,   77,    5,  129,  # 6660 H       31,    5,   78,    5,  129,   31,    4,   79,    4,  129,  # 6670 H       30,    5,   79,    5,  131,   30,    6,   78,    6,  129,  # 6680 H       30,    7,   77,    7,  129,   31,    8,   75,    8,  129,  # 6690 H       31,   11,   72,   11,  129,   32,   15,   67,   15,  129,  # 6700 H       33,   48,  129,   34,   46,  129,   35,   44,  129,   37,  # 6710 H       40,  129,   39,   36,  129,   42,   30,  129,   46,   22,  # 6720 H      129,  193,  129,   48,   18,  129,   43,   28,  129,   41,  # 6730 H       32,  129,   39,   36,  129,   37,   40,  129,   35,   44,  # 6740 H      129,   34,   46,  129,   33,   13,   68,   13,  129,   32,  # 6750 H        9,   73,    9,  129,   32,    7,   75,    7,  129,   31,  # 6760 H        6,   77,    6,  129,   31,    5,   78,    5,  129,   30,  # 6770 H        5,   79,    5,  129,   30,    4,   80,    4,  133,   31,  # 6780 H        3,   79,    4,  129,   31,    4,   79,    4,  129,   32,  # 6790 H        3,   78,    4,  129,   32,    4,   76,    6,  129,   33,  # 6800 H        4,   74,    7,  129,   34,    4,   72,    8,  129,   35,  # 6810 H        5,   72,    7,  129,   37,    5,   73,    4,  129,   39,  # 6820 H        4,   74,    1,  129,  129,  193,  129,   46,   22,  129,  # 6830 H       42,   30,  129,   39,   36,  129,   37,   40,  129,   35,  # 6840 H       44,  129,   34,   46,  129,   33,   48,  129,   32,   15,  # 6850 H       67,   15,  129,   31,   11,   72,   11,  129,   31,    8,  # 6860 H       75,    8,  129,   30,    7,   77,    7,  129,   30,    6,  # 6870 H       78,    6,  129,   30,    5,   79,    5,  131,   31,    4,  # 6880 H       79,    4,  129,   31,    5,   78,    5,  129,   32,    5,  # 6890 H       77,    5,  129,   33,    5,   76,    5,  129,   35,    5,  # 6900 H       74,    5,  117,    4,  129,   37,    5,   72,    5,  117,  # 6910 H        4,  129,   30,   91,  136,   30,    4,  130,  193,  129,  # 6920 H       48,   18,  129,   43,   28,  129,   41,   32,  129,   39,  # 6930 H       36,  129,   37,   40,  129,   35,   44,  129,   34,   46,  # 6940 H      129,   33,   13,   55,    4,   68,   13,  129,   32,    9,  # 6950 H       55,    4,   73,    9,  129,   32,    7,   55,    4,   75,  # 6960 H        7,  129,   31,    6,   55,    4,   77,    6,  129,   31,  # 6970 H        5,   55,    4,   78,    5,  129,   30,    5,   55,    4,  # 6980 H       79,    5,  129,   30,    4,   55,    4,   80,    4,  132,  # 6990 H       30,    4,   55,    4,   79,    5,  129,   31,    3,   55,  # 7000 H        4,   78,    5,  129,   31,    4,   55,    4,   77,    6,  # 7010 H      129,   32,    3,   55,    4,   75,    7,  129,   32,    4,  # 7020 H       55,    4,   73,    9,  129,   33,    4,   55,    4,   68,  # 7030 H       13,  129,   34,    4,   55,   25,  129,   35,    5,   55,  # 7040 H       24,  129,   37,    5,   55,   22,  129,   39,    4,   55,  # 7050 H       20,  129,   55,   18,  129,   55,   16,  129,   55,   11,  # 7060 H      129,  193,  129,   80,    4,  129,   30,    4,   80,    4,  # 7070 H      130,   30,   78,  129,   30,   82,  129,   30,   85,  129,  # 7080 H       30,   87,  129,   30,   88,  129,   30,   89,  129,   30,  # 7090 H       90,  130,   30,    4,   80,    4,  115,    6,  129,   30,  # 7100 H        4,   80,    4,  117,    4,  129,   80,    4,  105,    6,  # 7110 H      117,    4,  129,   80,    4,  103,   10,  116,    5,  129,  # 7120 H       80,    4,  102,   19,  129,   80,    4,  101,   19,  129,  # 7130 H      101,   19,  129,  101,   18,  129,  102,   16,  129,  103,  # 7140 H       12,  129,  105,    6,  129,  193,  129,   12,   10,   59,  # 7150 H       11,  129,    9,   16,   55,   19,  129,    7,   20,   53,  # 7160 H       23,  129,    6,    7,   23,    5,   32,    6,   51,   27,  # 7170 H      129,    4,    7,   25,   16,   50,   29,  129,    3,    6,  # 7180 H       27,   16,   49,   31,  129,    2,    6,   28,   16,   48,  # 7190 H       33,  129,    1,    6,   27,   18,   47,   35,  129,    1,  # 7200 H        6,   27,   31,   71,   12,  129,    1,    5,   26,   15,  # 7210 H       44,   10,   75,    8,  129,    1,    5,   25,   14,   45,  # 7220 H        7,   77,    7,  129,    1,    5,   25,   13,   45,    5,  # 7230 H       79,    5,  129,    1,    5,   24,   14,   45,    4,   80,  # 7240 H        4,  129,    1,    5,   24,   13,   45,    4,   80,    4,  # 7250 H      129,    1,    5,   23,   14,   45,    4,   80,    4,  129,  # 7260 H        1,    5,   23,   13,   45,    4,   80,    4,  129,    1,  # 7270 H        6,   22,   13,   45,    5,   79,    5,  129,    1,    6,  # 7280 H       21,   14,   45,    7,   77,    7,  129,    1,    7,   21,  # 7290 H       13,   46,    8,   75,    8,  129,    1,    8,   20,   13,  # 7300 H       46,   12,   71,   12,  129,    1,   10,   18,   15,   47,  # 7310 H       35,  129,    2,   30,   48,   33,  129,    3,   29,   49,  # 7320 H       32,  129,    4,   27,   50,   31,  129,    5,   25,   51,  # 7330 H       27,   80,    2,   86,    4,  129,    7,   21,   53,   23,  # 7340 H       80,    3,   85,    6,  129,    9,   17,   55,   19,   80,  # 7350 H       12,  129,   12,   12,   59,   11,   81,   11,  129,   82,  # 7360 H       10,  129,   84,    7,  129,   86,    4,  129,  193,  129,  # 7370 H       30,    4,  117,    4,  130,   30,   91,  136,   30,    4,  # 7380 H       72,    5,  129,   30,    4,   74,    5,  129,   75,    5,  # 7390 H      129,   76,    5,  129,   76,    6,  129,   77,    6,  130,  # 7400 H       77,    7,  130,   76,    8,  129,   30,    4,   75,    9,  # 7410 H      129,   30,    4,   72,   12,  129,   30,   54,  129,   30,  # 7420 H       53,  130,   30,   52,  129,   30,   51,  129,   30,   49,  # 7430 H      129,   30,   46,  129,   30,   42,  129,   30,    4,  130,  # 7440 H      193,  129,   30,    4,   80,    4,  129,   30,    4,   80,  # 7450 H        4,  100,    6,  129,   30,   54,   98,   10,  129,   30,  # 7460 H       54,   97,   12,  129,   30,   54,   96,   14,  131,   30,  # 7470 H       54,   97,   12,  129,   30,   54,   98,   10,  129,   30,  # 7480 H       54,  100,    6,  129,   30,    4,  130,  193,  129,    7,  # 7490 H        6,  129,    4,   11,  129,    3,   13,  129,    2,   14,  # 7500 H      129,    1,   15,  130,    1,    3,    6,    9,  129,    1,  # 7510 H        3,    7,    6,  129,    1,    3,  130,    1,    4,  129,  # 7520 H        1,    5,   80,    4,  129,    1,    7,   80,    4,  100,  # 7530 H        6,  129,    2,   82,   98,   10,  129,    3,   81,   97,  # 7540 H       12,  129,    4,   80,   96,   14,  129,    5,   79,   96,  # 7550 H       14,  129,    7,   77,   96,   14,  129,   10,   74,   97,  # 7560 H       12,  129,   14,   70,   98,   10,  129,   19,   65,  100,  # 7570 H        6,  129,  193,  129,   30,    4,  117,    4,  130,   30,  # 7580 H       91,  136,   30,    4,   57,    9,  129,   30,    4,   55,  # 7590 H       12,  129,   52,   17,  129,   50,   20,  129,   48,   24,  # 7600 H      129,   46,   27,  129,   44,   21,   69,    6,  129,   41,  # 7610 H       22,   70,    6,   80,    4,  129,   30,    4,   39,   21,  # 7620 H       72,    6,   80,    4,  129,   30,    4,   36,   22,   73,  # 7630 H       11,  129,   30,   26,   75,    9,  129,   30,   23,   76,  # 7640 H        8,  129,   30,   21,   78,    6,  129,   30,   19,   79,  # 7650 H        5,  129,   30,   16,   80,    4,  129,   30,   14,   80,  # 7660 H        4,  129,   30,   12,  129,   30,   10,  129,   30,    7,  # 7670 H      129,   30,    5,  129,   30,    4,  130,  193,  129,   30,  # 7680 H        4,  117,    4,  130,   30,   91,  136,   30,    4,  130,  # 7690 H      193,  129,   30,    4,   80,    4,  130,   30,   54,  136,  # 7700 H       30,    4,   72,    5,  129,   30,    4,   74,    5,  129,  # 7710 H       75,    5,  129,   76,    5,  129,   30,    4,   75,    7,  # 7720 H      129,   30,    4,   74,    9,  129,   30,   54,  132,   30,  # 7730 H       53,  129,   30,   52,  129,   30,   51,  129,   30,   48,  # 7740 H      129,   30,    4,   72,    5,  129,   30,    4,   74,    5,  # 7750 H      129,   75,    5,  129,   76,    5,  129,   30,    4,   75,  # 7760 H        7,  129,   30,    4,   74,    9,  129,   30,   54,  132,  # 7770 H       30,   53,  129,   30,   52,  129,   30,   51,  129,   30,  # 7780 H       48,  129,   30,    4,  130,  193,  129,   30,    4,   80,  # 7790 H        4,  130,   30,   54,  136,   30,    4,   72,    5,  129,  # 7800 H       30,    4,   74,    5,  129,   75,    5,  129,   76,    5,  # 7810 H      129,   76,    6,  129,   77,    6,  130,   77,    7,  130,  # 7820 H       76,    8,  129,   30,    4,   75,    9,  129,   30,    4,  # 7830 H       72,   12,  129,   30,   54,  129,   30,   53,  130,   30,  # 7840 H       52,  129,   30,   51,  129,   30,   49,  129,   30,   46,  # 7850 H      129,   30,   42,  129,   30,    4,  130,  193,  129,   48,  # 7860 H       18,  129,   43,   28,  129,   41,   32,  129,   39,   36,  # 7870 H      129,   37,   40,  129,   35,   44,  129,   34,   46,  129,  # 7880 H       33,   13,   68,   13,  129,   32,    9,   73,    9,  129,  # 7890 H       32,    7,   75,    7,  129,   31,    6,   77,    6,  129,  # 7900 H       31,    5,   78,    5,  129,   30,    5,   79,    5,  129,  # 7910 H       30,    4,   80,    4,  132,   30,    5,   79,    5,  130,  # 7920 H       31,    5,   78,    5,  129,   31,    6,   77,    6,  129,  # 7930 H       32,    7,   75,    7,  129,   32,    9,   73,    9,  129,  # 7940 H       33,   13,   68,   13,  129,   34,   46,  129,   35,   44,  # 7950 H      129,   37,   40,  129,   39,   36,  129,   41,   32,  129,  # 7960 H       43,   28,  129,   48,   18,  129,  193,  129,    1,    3,  # 7970 H       80,    4,  130,    1,   83,  137,   37,    5,   72,    5,  # 7980 H      129,   35,    5,   74,    5,  129,   33,    5,   76,    5,  # 7990 H      129,   32,    5,   77,    5,  129,   31,    5,   78,    5,  # 8000 H      129,   31,    4,   79,    4,  129,   30,    5,   79,    5,  # 8010 H      131,   30,    6,   78,    6,  129,   30,    7,   77,    7,  # 8020 H      129,   31,    8,   75,    8,  129,   31,   11,   72,   11,  # 8030 H      129,   32,   15,   67,   15,  129,   33,   48,  129,   34,  # 8040 H       46,  129,   35,   44,  129,   37,   40,  129,   39,   36,  # 8050 H      129,   42,   30,  129,   46,   22,  129,  193,  129,   46,  # 8060 H       22,  129,   42,   30,  129,   39,   36,  129,   37,   40,  # 8070 H      129,   35,   44,  129,   34,   46,  129,   33,   48,  129,  # 8080 H       32,   15,   67,   15,  129,   31,   11,   72,   11,  129,  # 8090 H       31,    8,   75,    8,  129,   30,    7,   77,    7,  129,  # 8100 H       30,    6,   78,    6,  129,   30,    5,   79,    5,  131,  # 8110 H       31,    4,   79,    4,  129,   31,    5,   78,    5,  129,  # 8120 H       32,    5,   77,    5,  129,   33,    5,   76,    5,  129,  # 8130 H       35,    5,   74,    5,  129,   37,    5,   72,    5,  129,  # 8140 H        1,   83,  136,    1,    3,   80,    4,  130,  193,  129,  # 8150 H       30,    4,   80,    4,  130,   30,   54,  136,   30,    4,  # 8160 H       68,    6,  129,   30,    4,   70,    6,  129,   71,    7,  # 8170 H      129,   72,    7,  129,   73,    7,  129,   74,    7,  129,  # 8180 H       74,    8,  129,   75,    8,  130,   69,   15,  129,   67,  # 8190 H       17,  129,   66,   18,  129,   65,   19,  130,   65,   18,  # 8200 H      130,   66,   16,  129,   67,   13,  129,   69,    8,  129,  # 8210 H      193,  129,   30,   13,   64,    8,  129,   30,   13,   61,  # 8220 H       14,  129,   30,   13,   59,   18,  129,   30,   13,   57,  # 8230 H       22,  129,   33,    8,   56,   24,  129,   32,    7,   55,  # 8240 H       26,  129,   32,    6,   54,   28,  129,   31,    6,   53,  # 8250 H       16,   77,    6,  129,   31,    5,   53,   14,   79,    4,  # 8260 H      129,   30,    5,   52,   14,   80,    4,  129,   30,    5,  # 8270 H       52,   13,   80,    4,  129,   30,    4,   52,   13,   80,  # 8280 H        4,  129,   30,    4,   52,   12,   80,    4,  129,   30,  # 8290 H        4,   51,   13,   80,    4,  130,   30,    4,   50,   13,  # 8300 H       79,    5,  129,   30,    4,   50,   13,   78,    5,  129,  # 8310 H       30,    5,   49,   14,   77,    6,  129,   31,    4,   49,  # 8320 H       13,   76,    6,  129,   31,    5,   48,   14,   75,    7,  # 8330 H      129,   32,    5,   47,   14,   73,    8,  129,   32,    6,  # 8340 H       45,   16,   71,   13,  129,   33,   27,   71,   13,  129,  # 8350 H       34,   26,   71,   13,  129,   35,   24,   71,   13,  129,  # 8360 H       37,   20,  129,   39,   16,  129,   43,    9,  129,  193,  # 8370 H      129,   80,    4,  131,   41,   56,  129,   37,   60,  129,  # 8380 H       35,   62,  129,   33,   64,  129,   32,   65,  129,   31,  # 8390 H       66,  129,   30,   67,  130,   30,   11,   80,    4,  129,  # 8400 H       30,    9,   80,    4,  129,   30,    8,   80,    4,  129,  # 8410 H       31,    7,   80,    4,  129,   31,    6,  129,   32,    5,  # 8420 H      129,   33,    5,  129,   35,    4,  129,   38,    3,  129,  # 8430 H      193,  129,   80,    4,  130,   42,   42,  129,   38,   46,  # 8440 H      129,   35,   49,  129,   33,   51,  129,   32,   52,  129,  # 8450 H       31,   53,  130,   30,   54,  129,   30,   12,  129,   30,  # 8460 H        9,  129,   30,    8,  129,   30,    7,  130,   31,    6,  # 8470 H      130,   32,    6,  129,   33,    5,  129,   34,    5,  129,  # 8480 H       35,    5,   80,    4,  129,   37,    5,   80,    4,  129,  # 8490 H       30,   54,  136,   30,    4,  130,  193,  129,   80,    4,  # 8500 H      130,   77,    7,  129,   74,   10,  129,   70,   14,  129,  # 8510 H       66,   18,  129,   62,   22,  129,   59,   25,  129,   55,  # 8520 H       29,  129,   51,   33,  129,   47,   37,  129,   44,   32,  # 8530 H       80,    4,  129,   40,   32,   80,    4,  129,   36,   32,  # 8540 H      129,   32,   33,  129,   30,   31,  129,   33,   24,  129,  # 8550 H       36,   17,  129,   40,   12,  129,   44,   12,  129,   48,  # 8560 H       12,  129,   51,   13,  129,   55,   13,  129,   59,   13,  # 8570 H       80,    4,  129,   63,   13,   80,    4,  129,   67,   17,  # 8580 H      129,   71,   13,  129,   74,   10,  129,   78,    6,  129,  # 8590 H       80,    4,  131,  193,  129,   80,    4,  130,   77,    7,  # 8600 H      129,   74,   10,  129,   70,   14,  129,   66,   18,  129,  # 8610 H       62,   22,  129,   59,   25,  129,   55,   29,  129,   51,  # 8620 H       33,  129,   47,   37,  129,   44,   32,   80,    4,  129,  # 8630 H       40,   32,   80,    4,  129,   36,   32,  129,   32,   33,  # 8640 H      129,   30,   31,  129,   33,   24,  129,   36,   17,  129,  # 8650 H       40,   12,  129,   44,   12,  129,   47,   13,  129,   44,  # 8660 H       20,  129,   40,   28,  129,   36,   31,  129,   32,   32,  # 8670 H      129,   30,   30,  129,   33,   24,  129,   36,   17,  129,  # 8680 H       40,   12,  129,   44,   12,  129,   48,   12,  129,   51,  # 8690 H       13,  129,   55,   13,  129,   59,   13,   80,    4,  129,  # 8700 H       63,   13,   80,    4,  129,   67,   17,  129,   71,   13,  # 8710 H      129,   74,   10,  129,   78,    6,  129,   80,    4,  131,  # 8720 H      193,  129,   30,    4,   80,    4,  130,   30,    4,   79,  # 8730 H        5,  129,   30,    5,   77,    7,  129,   30,    6,   74,  # 8740 H       10,  129,   30,    8,   72,   12,  129,   30,   11,   69,  # 8750 H       15,  129,   30,   13,   67,   17,  129,   30,    4,   37,  # 8760 H        8,   64,   20,  129,   30,    4,   39,    8,   62,   22,  # 8770 H      129,   41,    8,   59,   25,  129,   43,    8,   57,   27,  # 8780 H      129,   45,    8,   55,   22,   80,    4,  129,   47,   27,  # 8790 H       80,    4,  129,   49,   23,  129,   47,   22,  129,   44,  # 8800 H       23,  129,   42,   22,  129,   30,    4,   39,   27,  129,  # 8810 H       30,    4,   37,   31,  129,   30,   27,   62,    8,  129,  # 8820 H       30,   25,   64,    8,  129,   30,   22,   66,    8,   80,  # 8830 H        4,  129,   30,   20,   68,    8,   80,    4,  129,   30,  # 8840 H       17,   70,    8,   80,    4,  129,   30,   15,   73,   11,  # 8850 H      129,   30,   12,   75,    9,  129,   30,   10,   77,    7,  # 8860 H      129,   30,    7,   79,    5,  129,   30,    5,   80,    4,  # 8870 H      129,   30,    4,   80,    4,  130,  193,  129,    4,    5,  # 8880 H       80,    4,  129,    2,    9,   80,    4,  129,    1,   11,  # 8890 H       77,    7,  129,    1,   12,   74,   10,  129,    1,   12,  # 8900 H       70,   14,  129,    1,   12,   66,   18,  129,    1,   11,  # 8910 H       62,   22,  129,    2,    9,   59,   25,  129,    4,   11,  # 8920 H       55,   29,  129,    7,   12,   51,   33,  129,   10,   12,  # 8930 H       47,   37,  129,   14,   12,   44,   32,   80,    4,  129,  # 8940 H       17,   13,   40,   32,   80,    4,  129,   21,   13,   36,  # 8950 H       32,  129,   25,   40,  129,   29,   32,  129,   33,   24,  # 8960 H      129,   36,   17,  129,   40,   12,  129,   44,   12,  129,  # 8970 H       48,   12,  129,   51,   13,  129,   55,   13,  129,   59,  # 8980 H       13,   80,    4,  129,   63,   13,   80,    4,  129,   67,  # 8990 H       17,  129,   71,   13,  129,   74,   10,  129,   78,    6,  # 9000 H      129,   80,    4,  131,  193,  129,   30,    1,   71,   13,  # 9010 H      129,   30,    3,   71,   13,  129,   30,    6,   71,   13,  # 9020 H      129,   30,    9,   75,    9,  129,   30,   11,   77,    7,  # 9030 H      129,   30,   14,   79,    5,  129,   30,   17,   79,    5,  # 9040 H      129,   30,   19,   80,    4,  129,   30,   22,   80,    4,  # 9050 H      129,   30,   25,   80,    4,  129,   30,   27,   80,    4,  # 9060 H      129,   30,    4,   36,   24,   80,    4,  129,   30,    4,  # 9070 H       38,   25,   80,    4,  129,   30,    4,   41,   24,   80,  # 9080 H        4,  129,   30,    4,   44,   24,   80,    4,  129,   30,  # 9090 H        4,   46,   25,   80,    4,  129,   30,    4,   49,   25,  # 9100 H       80,    4,  129,   30,    4,   52,   24,   80,    4,  129,  # 9110 H       30,    4,   54,   30,  129,   30,    4,   57,   27,  129,  # 9120 H       30,    4,   59,   25,  129,   30,    4,   62,   22,  129,  # 9130 H       30,    4,   65,   19,  129,   30,    5,   67,   17,  129,  # 9140 H       30,    5,   70,   14,  129,   30,    7,   73,   11,  129,  # 9150 H       30,    9,   76,    8,  129,   30,   13,   78,    6,  129,  # 9160 H       30,   13,   81,    3,  129,   30,   13,  129,  193,    2,  # 9170 H        9,   59,   25,  129,    4,   11,   55,   29,  129,    7,  # 9180 H       12,   51,   33,  129,   10,   12,   47,   37,  129,   14,  # 9190 H       12,   44,   32,   80,    4,  129,   17,   13,   40,   32,  # 9200 H       80,    4,  129,   21,   13,   36,   32,  129,   25,   40,  # 9210 H      129,   29,   32,  129,   33,   24,  129,   36,   17,  129,  # 9220 H       40,   12,  129,   44,   12,  129,   48,   12,  129,   51,  # 9230 H       13,  129,   55,   13,  129,   59,   13,   80,    4,  129,  # 9240 H       63,   13,   80,    4,  129,   67,   17,  129,   71,   13,  # 9250 H      129,   74,   10,  129,   78,    6,  129,   80,    4,  131,  # 9260 H      193                                                         # 9270      ); } # BEGIN block7   __END__1   =head1 NAME   & banner - print large banner on printer   =head1 SYNOPSIS    banner [B<-w>I<n>] message ...   =head1 DESCRIPTION  : Banner prints a large, high quality banner on the standard: output.  If the message is omitted,  it  prompts  for  and= reads one line of its standard input.  If B<-w> is given, the = output is scrunched down from a width of 132 to I<n> ,  suit-9 able  for a narrow terminal.    : The output should be printed on a hard-copy device, up  to: 132  columns  wide,  with no breaks between the pages. The: volume is great enough that you may want a  printer  or  a: fast   hardcopy  terminal,  but  if  you  are  patient,  a- decwriter or other 300 baud terminal will do.    =head1 BUGS3  A The following bugs are preserved from the implementation on which  this one is based:   =over4   =item *5: Several ASCII characters are not defined, notably <, >, [,: ],  \,  ^,  _, {, }, |, and ~.  Also, the characters ", ',. and & are funny looking (but in a useful way.)   =item * = The B<-w> option is implemented by  skipping  some  rows  and : columns.   The  smaller  it gets, the grainier the output.# Sometimes it runs letters together.    =back7    Any new bugs are as yet unknown.  
 =head1 AUTHOR5  F The Perl implementation of I<banner> was written by Jonathan Feinberg, I<jdf@pobox.com>.4  A The C source on which this implementation is based was written by  Mark Horton.   =head1 COPYRIGHT and LICENSE  G Because I consider this program to be, in essence, a B<modification> of @ the BSD version of /usr/games/banner, I am bound to preserve the" following copyright notice intact:    Copyright (c) 1980, 1993, 19941D  	The Regents of the University of California.  All rights reserved.   C  Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without1C  modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions 	  are met: B  1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyrightA     notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. E  2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright9G     notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the9H     documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.I  3. All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software /     must display the following acknowledgement: ?  	This product includes software developed by the University of ,  	California, Berkeley and its contributors.H  4. Neither the name of the University nor the names of its contributorsI     may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this software4.     without specific prior written permission.   H  THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE REGENTS AND CONTRIBUTORS ``AS IS'' ANDF  ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THEK  IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE I  ARE DISCLAIMED.  IN NO EVENT SHALL THE REGENTS OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE0K  FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL H  DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODSF  OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION)K  HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT3J  LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAYG  OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF 
  SUCH DAMAGE.4  1   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:14:58 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> - Subject: Re: [Q] Mozilla does not like proxy? - Message-ID: <3AE40E73.62120959@theblakes.com>0  L The correct place to report Mozilla bugs is bugzilla at bugzilla.mozilla.org  S Proxies are working in Mozilla, but not proxy autoconf (that is in M0.9). So unless8N you are trying to use a PAC file, it sounds like a proxy server problem, not a Mozilla problem.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.227 ************************