1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 24 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 228       Contents:' Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip? ' Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip? , Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: Alpha 400 on E-bay" Re: Another Press Release - Heroix APAC update. Re: APAC update. RE: APAC update./ Re: Christof a bot (was: "cut" utility for VMS) : Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news.+ Console Sessions On VT 330 Become Catatonic + Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM? / Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM? / Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM? & Re: creprc with commandline parameters Re: DECNet IV or DECNet V?H Re: DTJ location [and question]  was: Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?. FS: DEC/Compaq 9.1 GIG UW Storageworks Drives.2 Re: FS: DEC/Compaq 9.1 GIG UW Storageworks Drives.2 Re: FS: DEC/Compaq 9.1 GIG UW Storageworks Drives.' RE: Hobbyist OpenVMS Alpha and DECNetXX  Re: Info-VAX filtering- Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX $ Re: LP27/AlphaServer 2100 Connection$ Re: LP27/AlphaServer 2100 Connection) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG 7 Re: Mounting and Management station: comments please... 6 Multinet SMTP "From:" (was MAIL$SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE...) OpenVMS Advertising  Re: OpenVMS Advertising / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version RE: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version OpenVMS V7.3 Ships( Re: Oracle 8i, OpenVMS, and IEEE floats? Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"  Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"  Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace" ! Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS! ! Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!  Re: SAS on VMS vs Windoze 2000 Re: SAS on VMS vs Windoze 2000 Re: SAS on VMS vs Windoze 2000B Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas area, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?, Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?G Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files G Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files  Re: VMS friendly website??? D VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analysts conferenceG RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation ! Re: What is better?? VMS or Unix? - Re: WIS... RIP???  -- NO! - non-standard port  Re: [NOISE] gum or gun? 0 Re: [PERSO] ingliche rereading no more requested# Re: [Q] 1983? DECUS BANNER program? 4 Re: [Q] reduce C + embedded SQL executable file size  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:47:41 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>0 Subject: Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip?( Message-ID: <9c20v4$buc$2@news.IAEhv.nl>  " OS/390 is the latest name for MVS.J VM is the Virtual Machine OS. It can run as host for as many guests as youG like. We used to run a couple of VSE guests under VM. And when a new VM  version 5 came out, it ran as a guest itself (second level VM). H The performance was surprisingly good: IBM knows this sport pretty well.  G VMS might be adapted to do the same I think. But VM is a much simplerOS  than VMS was (since V2.0 or so)   
 Hans VlemsJ Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y41yqkgdxk.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...7 > Carl Nelson <carl.nelson@mcmail.maricopa.edu> writes:  > . > >   But my home computer is a Mac, not a PC.3 > >   But I *do* have Virtual PC running on my Mac. J > >   My first question is: Why does my head hurt when I think about this? > E > It don't know - missing exposure to IBM's VM - now called OS/390, I 	 believe - L > which allows you to do this as a matter of course...like run VM again (forG > instance a new version) as a virtual machine on top of VM and hosting  another D > virtual machine such as CMS or MVS...once virtual, always virtual. >  > Jan    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 20:18:53 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) 0 Subject: Re: - OpenVMS ever to be on Intel chip?3 Message-ID: <UieAFZdBEeKT@eisner.encompasserve.org>   M In article <9c20v4$buc$2@news.IAEhv.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes: $ > OS/390 is the latest name for MVS.L > VM is the Virtual Machine OS. It can run as host for as many guests as youI > like. We used to run a couple of VSE guests under VM. And when a new VM 	 > version 7 > came out, it ran as a guest itself (second level VM). J > The performance was surprisingly good: IBM knows this sport pretty well. > I > VMS might be adapted to do the same I think. But VM is a much simplerOS ! > than VMS was (since V2.0 or so)   E The VAX instruction set as it stands cannot be virtualized on itself.    ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 20:19:41 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed , Message-ID: <9c22ot$g9a@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  t In article <bLVE6.31634$%_1.8816316@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > I >Oops. An egregious typo on my part. It's SANGER Centre, named after U.S. 5 >birth control advocate and activist Margaret Sanger.    Is that your final answer???  J Hope not, because it's actually named after 2 time Nobel prize winner FredH Sanger.  However, by odd coincidence, his wife _is_ named Margaret. See   6    http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Info/Intro/sanger1958.shtml   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 03:23:38 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed - Message-ID: <874rvfe7yd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ( davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen) writes:  D >   If I may extend your question, does anyone have figures based onE > some solid source ralated to how many Alphas run Tru64 vs. Linux? I F > can't imagine running Tru64 personally unless I had an existing app,E > but that's not because I know anything bad about Tru64, just that I D > know Linux and I was not impressed by OSF-1 "back when" I used it.  C The fianance market people seem to like it. Not sure if it T64 they F like, or the speed of the Alpha. There also seem to be a fair few used< here in govt depts running orible7 and 8, or security stuff.     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:29:25 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed = Message-ID: <Fg0F6.31843$%_1.8953198@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message & news:9c22ot$g9a@gap.cco.caltech.edu...I > In article <bLVE6.31634$%_1.8816316@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. , Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > K > >Oops. An egregious typo on my part. It's SANGER Centre, named after U.S. 7 > >birth control advocate and activist Margaret Sanger.  >  > Is that your final answer???  K Nope, and its been previously addressed. I was misinformed by Compaq. Or by * the notorious Belgian hacker Cedrick Zool.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:26:20 GMT 0 From: "Yousuf Khan" <ykhan@nospam.home.com.spam>5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed < Message-ID: <0D4F6.94378$61.19461939@news4.rdc1.on.home.com>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ' news:874rvfe7yd.fsf@prep.synonet.com... * > davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen) writes: > F > >   If I may extend your question, does anyone have figures based onG > > some solid source ralated to how many Alphas run Tru64 vs. Linux? I H > > can't imagine running Tru64 personally unless I had an existing app,G > > but that's not because I know anything bad about Tru64, just that I F > > know Linux and I was not impressed by OSF-1 "back when" I used it. > E > The fianance market people seem to like it. Not sure if it T64 they H > like, or the speed of the Alpha. There also seem to be a fair few used> > here in govt depts running orible7 and 8, or security stuff.  L I don't see too much interest from the likes of Veritas software for storageG management software tools or from any of the storage array network gear L makers for this marketplace. You would think if an OS was running a databaseF like Oracle that you would want to get the highest performance/highestL capacity/fault tolerant SAN stuff for it, unless the databases aren't really
 big stuff.           Yousuf Khan    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:42:44 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com & Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$D Message-ID: <OFA062139E.CF1099F2-ON88256A37.0066A7B4@foundation.com>  J If you haven't looked into Windows XP's "product activation", do so. I forF one don't want to have to phone Micro$oft every time I change graphics	 cards....    Shane           9 Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> on 04/23/2001 06:15:12 AM   1 Please respond to Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>    To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   # Subject:  80% is Good Enough for M$     H I got such a kick out of reading an article in the latest PC Magazine on the I upcoming "Windows XP" product from Microsoft.  One line that really stood  out J was the idea that both Microsoft and early beta testers are happy that 80% of* the applications tested seemed to work OK.   Try that in the VMS world...  @ .and what's even worse, is that the milling masses of sheep that
 masqueradeH as concerned consumers in this country see that 80% number and use wordsI like "acceptable" to describe it.  After all it's such a "quantum leap of / technology" from version to version of Windoze!    Sheesh!      ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | I | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:32:00 -0400 & From: Jerome Fine <jhfine@idirect.com>& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$+ Message-ID: <3AE49140.3B75DE69@idirect.com>    >Dan O'Reilly wrote:  L > I have to disagree here, about some of the allegations made WRT the PDP-11K > operating systems.   I worked in the Customer Support Center in the early L > 1980's supporting mostly RSX.  I'll guarantee you that if we had made eachG > version incompatible with previous versions for as much as 20% of our B > customers' applications, we would have been lynched on the spot. > K > The other issue is still cost.  You never paid for 4.0x releases of RT-11 L > or any other product while it was owned by DEC, as long as you had supportM > contracts.  Sure, you had to if you didn't have a contract, but that's part M > of the game.  With M$, you pay no matter how much money you've already paid  > to M$ in the past.   Jerome Fine replies:  T Since I believe that I stated exactly the opposite of what you stated I said, pleaseD help me to find the words that suggested that "as much as 20% of ourJ customers' applications" were incompatible with previous versions.  If youJ actually read my post, I strongly endorsed how well successive versions of PDP-11 software worked - 99.9%.   I I complained about something quite different.  Please read my post again!    Sincerely yours,   Jerome Fine    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:37:30 -0700 * From: Ed Albert <cea7002@axe.humboldt.edu>& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$0 Message-ID: <3AE4BCBA.4D4736A9@axe.humboldt.edu>  B Microsoft certainly isn't the first to pull this ... dumping buggyH useless software and O/S on the masses is practically a tradition in the	 M$ world.   E One of the best examples of other companies pulling shennanigans like E this that I recall was Ashton-Tate. When they release DBase IV, there F were tons of bugs in it ... and their Compuserve board had bug reports5 in the thousands within days of the public release.     @ About two weeks into the mess big chunks of the bug list started? disappearing ... even though no patches were forthcoming.  Then H Ashton-Tate pulled what I think is one of the more innovative approachesC ... they changed the rules.   A message appeared on the Ashton-Tate E forum that said that the term bugs was too confusing ... and that all E future reports should refer to problems with the DBASE IV software as  "anomalies".    : Needless to say I started looking at the alternatives ...    :-)   	 Ed Albert  Humboldt State University    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:13:37 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> & Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$, Message-ID: <3AE4C52C.D92B71F3@videotron.ca>  7 re: only 80% of software on Microsoft's next bloatware.   L What was the percentage of NT4 apps running on Windows 2000 at a developmentC time of Win 2000 similar to the stage at which XP is at right now ?   F Also, note that Micorosft's software is essentially disposable becauseN Microsoft can decide to make any of its software totally obsolete by releasingB a new version that only works on the new version of the OS and has incompatible file formats.  N Windows is to be used only for disposable software. As a result, the fact thatH some current software might not run on the next version of windows isn'tL important in my opinion because you know you'll have to upgrade to apps whenN you upgrde the OS anyways. Those who decide to base their IT infrastructure on& Windows should be fully aware of this.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:11:13 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> & Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$A Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010423190830.00ae6e98@ntbsod.psccos.com>   H But the point is, M$ is aiming Windows at the mission-critical IT marketI (look at the TV commercials these days).  What they're saying the want to H do and how they're attempting to accomplish it are diametrically opposedL to each other, and that's the point.  In a true mission-critical IT environ-I ment, whether VMS or MVS, what Microsoft is doing is absolutely the wrong K approach.  You should *NEVER* have to upgrade your application just becauseoM you want to upgrade to the next version of an OS, unless you want to use some6H new feature of the OS.  And that's where VMS has excelled throughout the years.  & At 06:13 PM 4/23/2001, JF Mezei wrote:8 >re: only 80% of software on Microsoft's next bloatware. > M >What was the percentage of NT4 apps running on Windows 2000 at a developmentoD >time of Win 2000 similar to the stage at which XP is at right now ? > G >Also, note that Micorosft's software is essentially disposable becausePO >Microsoft can decide to make any of its software totally obsolete by releasingaC >a new version that only works on the new version of the OS and hasc >incompatible file formats.a >vO >Windows is to be used only for disposable software. As a result, the fact that I >some current software might not run on the next version of windows isn'taM >important in my opinion because you know you'll have to upgrade to apps when O >you upgrde the OS anyways. Those who decide to base their IT infrastructure one' >Windows should be fully aware of this.D   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+aI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |oI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | I | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |cI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |aI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+S   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:58:06 GMTn4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$= Message-ID: <O45F6.31971$%_1.9141443@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message; news:5.0.2.1.2.20010423190830.00ae6e98@ntbsod.psccos.com...nJ > But the point is, M$ is aiming Windows at the mission-critical IT market* > (look at the TV commercials these days).  D And the truly frightening thing is that some people are sufficientlyJ gullible to believe the specious codswallop. And this from a company whoseD main claim to fame is that its current product crashes 13 times less% frequently than its Last New Product.   
 Go figure!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:33:19 -0600,% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>a& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$A Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010423203230.00b12fc0@ntbsod.psccos.com>h  . At 07:58 PM 4/23/2001, Terry C. Shannon wrote:  3 >"Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in messagev< >news:5.0.2.1.2.20010423190830.00ae6e98@ntbsod.psccos.com...L > > But the point is, M$ is aiming Windows at the mission-critical IT market, > > (look at the TV commercials these days). >eE >And the truly frightening thing is that some people are sufficientlynK >gullible to believe the specious codswallop. And this from a company whose E >main claim to fame is that its current product crashes 13 times less & >frequently than its Last New Product.  F ..or better yet, that (literally) thousands of systems to accomplish aJ mission-critical task is a simplistic undertaking (the management thereof, I mean).   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+cI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |nI | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |mI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |rI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+E   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:24:10 -04009% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>u& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$/ Message-ID: <te9setivb6ld70@news.supernews.com>-  2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message; news:5.0.2.1.2.20010423091200.00b137f8@ntbsod.psccos.com...:L > I have to disagree here, about some of the allegations made WRT the PDP-11K > operating systems.   I worked in the Customer Support Center in the earlyrL > 1980's supporting mostly RSX.  I'll guarantee you that if we had made eachG > version incompatible with previous versions for as much as 20% of ourtB > customers' applications, we would have been lynched on the spot. >oK > The other issue is still cost.  You never paid for 4.0x releases of RT-11tL > or any other product while it was owned by DEC, as long as you had supportH > contracts.  Sure, you had to if you didn't have a contract, but that's partH > of the game.  With M$, you pay no matter how much money you've already paid > to M$ in the past. >i  : I hate to take Microsoft's side but I can't let this pass.  K You never pay for releases as long as you have a support contract?  I don'tqH know about you but I have to PAY for my support contracts!  Doesn't thatK count as paying for the releases?  I've never paid to download a Windows NThL Service Pack, where can I download OpenVMS patches for free?  You can searchJ Microsoft's known problem database at http://search.support.microsoft.com/ what's the URL for DSNLink?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:47:25 -0600-% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>:& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$A Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010423213816.00b15ec8@ntbsod.psccos.com>I  * At 09:24 PM 4/23/2001, John Vottero wrote:3 >"Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in messageA< >news:5.0.2.1.2.20010423091200.00b137f8@ntbsod.psccos.com...N > > I have to disagree here, about some of the allegations made WRT the PDP-11M > > operating systems.   I worked in the Customer Support Center in the earlynN > > 1980's supporting mostly RSX.  I'll guarantee you that if we had made eachI > > version incompatible with previous versions for as much as 20% of ouryD > > customers' applications, we would have been lynched on the spot. > > M > > The other issue is still cost.  You never paid for 4.0x releases of RT-11 N > > or any other product while it was owned by DEC, as long as you had supportJ > > contracts.  Sure, you had to if you didn't have a contract, but that's >partuJ > > of the game.  With M$, you pay no matter how much money you've already >paidc > > to M$ in the past. > >< >E; >I hate to take Microsoft's side but I can't let this pass.o ><L >You never pay for releases as long as you have a support contract?  I don'tI >know about you but I have to PAY for my support contracts!  Doesn't thatML >count as paying for the releases?  I've never paid to download a Windows NTM >Service Pack, where can I download OpenVMS patches for free?  You can searchcK >Microsoft's known problem database at http://search.support.microsoft.com// >what's the URL for DSNLink?  N Apples to oranges, IMHO.  Yes, you have to pay for your support contract.  ButJ you DO get new releases at no additional cost.  The same can't be said forK Microsoft products.  You pay, and you pay again.  At least at one time, you M could download patches free from Digital/Compaq, I don't know if that's still*+ the same (I assume it is, maybe I'm wrong).-  I As for DSNlink versus the Microsoft known problem database, well, I don'tyJ know what to say, save for the idea that I've seldom seen somebody even inM this forum not get an answer to a question they pose on a problem.  Maybe note% as fancy, but functional nonetheless.,  J But at any rate, I'll stick to my guns.  It's expensive to upgrade your MSL machines, particularly if you buy into their idea that using 250 machines toI run a site is cheaper and more preferable than, say, a 3-node VMScluster.TJ Pay the per-system upgrade costs on those machines, and compare it to yourI support contract from CPQ.  Oh, and don't forget: you're not only paying,TL say, $150 per box for the OS, but another $200-$500 per for the applicationsI you may have to upgrade because they no longer function without upgrades. I Oh, yeah, don't forget the labor costs to upgrade those machines, either.-, THAT is an altogether expensive proposition!  O True, if you're talking a single PC versus an Alpha, then VMS is more expensive-J to maintain.  But that's not what we're (or at least, I am) talking about.L I'm talking about corporate deployments in the IT setting.  The per-seat TCO0 of MS boxes is REALLY high, given that scenario.     ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+"I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |.I | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |eI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |.I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |rI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:24:28 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>k Subject: Re: Alpha 400 on E-bay-' Message-ID: <3AE4E3DC.9D706046@fsi.net>   * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >  > For you to know1 > C > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=12314589946  E If he doesn't get a bid, maybe he'll repost it with a more reasonablew opening bid.   -- s David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:53:22 +0100l/ From: "Gerald Marsh" <gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uk>s+ Subject: Re: Another Press Release - HeroixiA Message-ID: <988059719.18694.0.nnrp-02.9e984c92@news.demon.co.uk>    Fair enough!  3 It's done a good job on a business-critical system.a   Keep up the good work,   Gerald.o     -- Gerald Marsh   Email: gerald@cyfer.demon.co.uks    ; Sue Skonetski <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messagea) news:kHXE6.64$5I.1682@news.cpqcorp.net...t >e > HEROIX PRESS RELEASE >t >a >i > Press Release  >       Press Contact :t >d >       Debra Wilkins  >   >       Public Relations Manager >- >       Heroix Corporation Ltd.e >       ++ 44-(0)1707 336600" >       Debra.wilkins@heroix.co.uk >  >u >c >R >8 >i >o >E >gB > Heroix announces new OpenVMS release with its leading automation
 software -
 > RoboMon. >t >o > H > New Heroix Release - RoboMon OpenVMS Solution shows support for future	 > growth.  >r >f >vJ > Welwyn Garden City, Herts, UK - April 11, 2001 --- Heroix Corporation, aI > leader in eBusiness automated infrastructure management software, todayyF > announced continued support of Compaq Computer Corporation's OpenVMSK > operating system, by releasing its latest version of RoboMon for OpenVMS.nK > This new release brings numerous improvements, including improved clustertH > handling for the new generation of Compaq systems, i.e. Compaq OpenVMSK > Galaxy software architecture and the new Compaq AlphaServer GS Series, as G > well as fully supporting Compaq's OpenVMS V7.3, the newest version ofa Compaq > 's OpenVMS operating system. >a >  >c > Business Benefits: >s >u >yD > For large multi-platform organisations, downtime is not an option. Compaq'sE > OpenVMS operating system offers the highest levels of availability,W; > scalability, reliability, security and price-performance.- >- >- >-F > RoboMon monitors and manages OpenVMS-based applications and systems,I > maintaining the highest levels of availability and performance. RoboMon"F > detects and fixes problems, and centralizes the monitoring of widely > distributed systems. >o >f >mK > Paul Roxan, MD of Heroix EMEA, says "Despite the market's general move to K > Open Systems, we feel that Compaq's OpenVMS operating system remains very-H > important to major corporations and we fully support it as part of ourE > product portfolio."  Paul continues "Heroix is seeing growth in theE OpenVMS K > market in recent months and in 2000 our OpenVMS business grew by 33%.  We < > expect this trend to continue for the foreseeable future." >h >D > Features:tK > RoboMon includes comprehensive pre-defined sensors called Solution Rules,sL > which are controlled through the Motif GUI interface. These rules detect aK > wide variety of common OpenVMS operational and performance problems. They'L > are specifically designed to be self-configuring, so that RoboMon is fullyJ > functional "out-of-the-box". Once installed, the product is both readilyJ > tailorable and extensible, so that site-specific requirements can easily beL > accommodated, resulting in a comprehensive ability to perform "lights-out"? > operations, which is particularly crucial to global business.  >M >n >e > Customer Experience: >eK > A major user of OpenVMS systems is the London Clearing House and they had I > found from previous experience that RoboMon for OpenVMS can proactively A > manage OpenVMS system resources leading to improved performancer efficienciesE > and continual uptime.  Tony Seels, Technical Analyst for the Londonn ClearingI > House, said "From a system management point of view, downtime is not antK > option for us.  RoboMon for OpenVMS guarantees that this doesn't happen."- >- >- >- > Compaq Quote:e >oJ > Rich Marcello, Vice President of Compaq's OpenVMS Group, said "Compaq isD > pleased to see that Heroix is making their very successful RoboMon solutionF > available on Compaq's newest version of OpenVMS which should provideL > customers with a maximum level of performance without the major concern of > system failure." >f >e >sK > Andrew Crisp, VP of Strategic Alliances at Heroix, said "This new releasewB > reinforces the commitment Heroix has to this platform and to theJ > relationship with Compaq.  Many of the enhancements have come about as aF > result of our strong links with the Compaq Disaster Tolerant ClusterI > Services team.  We see continuing demand for OpenVMS solutions from oureJ > customers and prospects globally and we share with Compaq their optimism forvI > OpenVMS as the platform of choice for stable, reliable mission criticaln > systems."  >t >i >h > About HeroixI > Heroix delivers award winning software products that help organisationsmC > guarantee the availability and performance of their multiplatform 	 eBusinesskH > infrastructure and applications.  More than 1,000 customers in over 40K > countries rely on the company's integrated management software to monitor0I > and manage Windows NT, Windows 2000, Unix, Linux, and OpenVMST systems.dI > Heroix products detect problems, report and graph performance data, and%J > centrally monitor wide-ranging technologies such as Microsoft Exchange,L > IIS, SQL Server, Citrix, Oracle, Cisco, Compaq Insight Manager, serviceG > level agreements, and more.  Founded in 1975, Heroix is an authorisedoI > Microsoft Gold Certified Partner, with US headquarters in Newton, Mass.o and L > EMEA headquarters in Welwyn Garden City, U.K. For more information, please > visit www.heroix.com.h >  >o >tD > Heroix and RoboMon are trademarks of Heroix Corporation. All other5 > trademarks are property of their respective owners.i >  >  >  >t >n >  >s   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 01:58:12 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: APAC update.c- Message-ID: <87hezfebwr.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   D For those interested. Over easter, the APAC installation was tested,H and exceded it's specs, and is now the countries most powerfull machine.   Article at 8  http://www.australianit.news.com   Further info http://www.apac.edu.au   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:12:22 -0400i% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>c Subject: Re: APAC update.l$ Message-ID: <3ae4707c$1@news.si.com>   >Article atp! >http://www.australianit.news.como   Error - 403p  L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----   Failed to connect to server: www.australianit.news.com (80)  F Reason: Unable to connect.-- Brian Tillman                   Internet:K tillman_brian at si.comSmiths Aerospace                          tillman atiA swdev.si.com3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified toeC preventGrand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"w1 This opinion doesn't represent that of my companyc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:25:16 +1000w, From: Malcolm Wade <Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.au> Subject: RE: APAC update.iH Message-ID: <A8854B7F33E5D3119FDA00508B6A8C6305232500@ASX235.asx.com.au>  ? This looks more promising and I hope what Paul was refering to.n  L http://australianit.news.com.au/common/storyPage/0,3811,1925055%255E442,00.h tml'   > -----Original Message-----5 > From: Paul Repacholi [mailto:prep@prep.synonet.com]t' > Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 3:58 AMl > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > Subject: APAC update.- >  >  > F > For those interested. Over easter, the APAC installation was tested,8 > and exceded it's specs, and is now the countries most  > powerfull machine. > 
 > Article at c" > http://www.australianit.news.com >  > Further info > http://www.apac.edu.au >  > -- m> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:56:45 -0700o- From: "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com>o8 Subject: Re: Christof a bot (was: "cut" utility for VMS)9 Message-ID: <3ae4cf4e$0$764$8eec23a@newsreader.tycho.net>b  B While I agree there are times that it useful to be able to extractL information from a mass of text as the result of some command or application which does not have a good API.   I But I think the specific example is a bit misdirected as you can find thedK information in question by using F$DEVICE("*","DISK).  And then F$GETDVI toa determine if it mounted.   --
 Bill Pedersenw CCSS Corporation www.CCSScorp.com 831-336-2708  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message,0 news:1010401125010.22825A-100000@Ives.egh.com..., > On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Christof Brass wrote: >2 >2? > Good question.  I think most such needs are the result of the2= > lack of a suitable API.  For example, parsing the output ofoB > "$ show device/mounted" to extract the names of all the disks soB > they can be dismounted in sys$system:shutdown.com, because there? > is no wild-card support in f$getdvi, or parsing the output ofa@ > "$ show device" to determine the merge or copy percentage of a > shadowed disk. >i> > You have some program that produces the information you need? > buried in a mass of output, usually a text file.  You need to3= > extract columns, perhaps with or following some tag, to gett< > what you want.  If the program could provide you with just@ > the information you want, and nothing else, in a form suitable? > for manipulation (i.e. as symbols or logical names), then you- > wouldn't need this.- >- > --
 > John Santos' > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:23:24 +0100t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. * Message-ID: <3AE4731C.99735526@uk.sun.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:- > ? > "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message-& > news:3AE44F5C.FAC30333@uk.sun.com... > > Alan Greig wrote:t > > >oG > > > According to a new Compaq Inspiration Technology radio commercialeL > > > running in the UK the greatest inventions that have been made possibleK > > > by the PC are the Internet, email and MP3. So any email or use of theeL > > > Internet you think you remember prior to the mid 80s was probably just; > > > a result of too much acid in the 60s and 70s I guess.  > > >  > >07 > > Its worse than that. The internet developed despiteh% > > PC's rather than because of them.t >  > And despite Algore as well.2 >  > >t9 > > MS not shipping an IP stack with windows to start offt8 > > with and then subsequently shipping one so crappy to- > > be an embarassment being a great example.r >  > The apotheosis of exemplars! >  > >s7 > > MS and Compaqs total lack of involvement in helpingi5 > > to develop the standards on which the internet is   > > built being another example. > E > Digital used to be deeply involved in standards committees; CPQ hascK > dramatically reduced participation in same. That's more seats for Sun andg > other rivals.p >   . Digital were a major contributor prior to the 2 Compaction. After the Compaction probably reflects2 Compaqs inability to lead and their willingness or need to be led.h  5 After all who needs to set standards when you can getf, Bill to tell you what they are and will be.    > >a3 > > MS's promotion of file based email services ande6 > > junk like ActiveX have also been major impediments5 > > to the development of email and active content onl > > the internet.m > >u# > > And thats before we get to MSN.  > >g2 > > As a regurgitator of all things MS, Compaq are > > just as much to blame. > >, > N > Umm, Compaq clearly is not without fault in this regard. Time will tell, butK > Microsoft may yet be relegated to REMF status in the "Frontline Alliance"hE > scheme of things. Oracle and Linux seem to be ascendant these days.y > I > And on an unrelated matter, will Andrew H be among those present at theoB > Compaq OpenVMS Technical Update Briefing in London on 15-16 May?  6 I was thinking about coming. It depends on my schedule       Regards  Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:48:03 GMTe4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)4 Subject: Console Sessions On VT 330 Become Catatonic) Message-ID: <734F6.1723$%L5.30534@insync>  Keywords: vms,vt330t  E Console logins from a VT 330 connected to the console ports of DS20EswG running VMS 7.2-1 become catatonic if not used for some period of time.h  G Does such use of the VT 330 require anything special on the VMS hosts ?y    / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidn2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:49:07 +0800I5 From: Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com>M4 Subject: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM?8 Message-ID: <3qt9ets0rb8q2ttq452n8qr9jl3lf67e0j@4ax.com>  % I am not good with LEXICAL functions,yF Could someone provide me some simple batch functions to control number1 of INTERACTIVE logins (not batch) in SYLOGIN.COM?d   Thanks.p            Regards,  	 Netsurfer         ====R For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 23:29 CSTu' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e8 Subject: Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM?- Message-ID: <23APR200123293677@gerg.tamu.edu>g  - netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com writes....& }I am not good with LEXICAL functions,G }Could someone provide me some simple batch functions to control numbero2 }of INTERACTIVE logins (not batch) in SYLOGIN.COM?  M Instead of that, how about just entering (from a suitably privileged account)a $ SET LOGINS/INTERACTIVE=x2 where "x" is the maximum number you want to allow?   See HELP SET LOGINS.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:48:46 GMT  From: adroso@home.com (ADR) 8 Subject: Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM?: Message-ID: <3ae503a6.346954176@news.jamison1.pa.home.com>  C This is a quickie thing I wrote, but it should work for you.  Other @ people may have a better way of approaching this.  Put it in theD beginning of SYLOGIN.COM.  Note that the number 64 in the code below> should be changed to whatever interactive limit you desire ...   $ USERS = 0 = $ SHOW USERS /INTERACTIVE /FULL /OUTPUT=INTERACTIVE_USERS.TMP * $ OPEN/READ TMP_FILE INTERACTIVE_USERS.TMP	 $ LOOP_1:e. $ READ/END_OF_FILE=CHECK_USERS TMP_FILE RECORD< $ IF F$EXTRACT(1,8,RECORD) .NES. "Username" THEN GOTO LOOP_1	 $ LOOP_2: . $ READ/END_OF_FILE=CHECK_USERS TMP_FILE RECORD $ USERS = USERS + 1r
 $ GOTO LOOP_2" $ CHECK_USERS: $ CLOSE TMP_FILE  $ DELETE INTERACTIVE_USERS.TMP;*+ $ IF USERS .LE. 64 THEN GOTO CONTINUE_LOGIN.9 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Number of Interactive Users exceeded"r $ LOGOUT $ CONTINUE_LOGIN:-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:52:59 -0400-0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca.spammenot>/ Subject: Re: creprc with commandline parameterso5 Message-ID: <UM_E6.95$231.68177@wagner.videotron.net>g    > mcr [dir]imgname -some_optionsH It will not work unless you use slash (/) instead of dash (-) for option delimiter (joke).o  ! Please do not unixify OpenVMS!!!!1  > mcr [dir]imgname /some_options  I You`ll find all the functions you need in the system library routines andiI LIB$ manuals. Can`t remember the exact names for each routine, but all isr there.  L And you can even create a .CLD file to avoid using MCR. There is a manual on	 that too.S   --   Syltremp; http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site)f> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  K "Thomas Hahnemann" <Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de> a crit dans le messaged+ news: Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-VyddNNvpyXXx@Tom2...-? > I've try to start an image which starts from commandline with<  > mcr [dir]imgname -some_optionsB > now by sys$creprc. How can I give some parameters to the programF > or set some logicals in the new processtable ? Is there an example ? >j > Thanks in advancei >  > Thomas Hahnemann > S&T Systemtechnika >o   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 18:43 CSTu' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)w# Subject: Re: DECNet IV or DECNet V?8- Message-ID: <23APR200118433332@gerg.tamu.edu>A  5 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes...t }Anthony J Mullen wrote: }>   }> Greetings - }> tI }> I would like to install OpenVMS on my Multia.  Should I install DECNet3 }> IV or DECNet V on it? } 9 }It depends. The call for DECnet is quite low these days.n } I }DECnet-IV is *VERY* solid. It's *VERY* "set it and forget it". It issues E }few or no messages when the network is running even marginally well.r  B In general, I would suggest phase-IV unless there is some specificF feature of phase-V that you want, as it does have some extra features,% or if you just want to learn phase-V.   	 }DECnet-VoG }does not allow that counters can be zeroed; so, to track problems, youtF }have to track counters. (What were the counts? What are they now?) InI }contrast, DECnet-IV allows that counters can be zeroed. (What counts are C }not zero, but should be? What counts are zero, but should not be?)V  G NCL does have a "snapshot" command that is actually fairly spiffy. Once,H you use it, it remembers the set of counters until you exit (or snapshotI again) and adds columns to the display for the snapshotted values and thet$ change in counts since the snapshot.  H }I believe Multinet supports TCP/IP over DECnet-IV, but that there is no4 }"magic" available to provide DECnet-IV over TCP/IP.   Other way 'round.i   }David J. Dachtera   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:02:43 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>sQ Subject: Re: DTJ location [and question]  was: Re: FreeVMS for AMD a pipe dream ?a& Message-ID: <3AE48A63.739D3BF@iee.org>   Simon Clubley wrote:5 > http://www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/m > I > However, I am _much_ more interested in knowing what else could be in anM > location called "DECarchives". There does not seem to be a index.htm[l] andiO > directory listings are forbidden. I've sent a question using the web commentsiP > form at wrl, but based on prior experience with Compaq and web comments forms,( > I don't know if a reply will appear...  5 If no answer is forthcoming you could try a search of  the Compaq site specifying e2  +url:www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchives/DTJ/ and -  +url:www.research.compaq.com/wrl/DECarchivess as the search criteria.v  : If they both come back with 96 hits (as they currently do)1 then it's probably the case that there is nothingi else you can see in that area.   Antonion   -- -   ---------------n- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgb   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 21:40:40 EST2 From: anon314@mail.ourservers.net (Anonymous #314)7 Subject: FS: DEC/Compaq 9.1 GIG UW Storageworks Drives.u1 Message-ID: <Ek6E18kyiIXh@cartman.ourservers.net>u  - FS: DEC/Compaq 9.1 GIG UW Storageworks Drives   M These are FR-CFCBA-CA 9.1 GIG SCSI UW, 7200 RPM Storageworks drives that werenM new when put into service and were only in service for two months and removed H working.  The canisters have been opened so the warrany sticker has beenH removed. I accept money orders or PayPal payment.  Buyer pays $15.00 for	 shipping.m  @ http://www.ourservers.net/~anon314/images/pictures/decdrive1.jpg   Start price $140.00e Buy-It-Now Price : $240.00 5 Days  u http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232702991&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=988510347&indexURL=0&rd=1eu http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232705001&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=988510582&indexURL=0&rd=1 u http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232706484&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=988510762&indexURL=0&rd=1eu http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232707526&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=988510901&indexURL=0&rd=1hu http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232709176&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=988511216&indexURL=0&rd=1 u http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1232710080&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=988511360&indexURL=0&rd=1t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:16:46 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>c; Subject: Re: FS: DEC/Compaq 9.1 GIG UW Storageworks Drives.t' Message-ID: <3AE4F01E.B7A471E7@fsi.net>r   Anonymous #314 wrote:p > / > FS: DEC/Compaq 9.1 GIG UW Storageworks Drivesi > O > These are FR-CFCBA-CA 9.1 GIG SCSI UW, 7200 RPM Storageworks drives that werepO > new when put into service and were only in service for two months and removed'J > working.  The canisters have been opened so the warrany sticker has been > removed. [snip]x   Why were the cannisters opened?p   --   David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.o   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 23:28:20 EST2 From: anon314@mail.ourservers.net (Anonymous #314); Subject: Re: FS: DEC/Compaq 9.1 GIG UW Storageworks Drives. 1 Message-ID: <AOtgyudgbKlh@cartman.ourservers.net>-   >> -0 >> FS: DEC/Compaq 9.1 GIG UW Storageworks Drives >> aP >> These are FR-CFCBA-CA 9.1 GIG SCSI UW, 7200 RPM Storageworks drives that wereP >> new when put into service and were only in service for two months and removedK >> working.  The canisters have been opened so the warrany sticker has beenf >> removed. [snip] > ! > Why were the cannisters opened?c >   I We had a high-school geek that woekd for us that decided to open them and L remove the drives to use in another chassis.  Some of the drives are Seagate and some are Quantum.   J (personally, I would have just left them alone, but they wern't in use and7 someone told him that he could do what ever with them.)   O They were put back in their canisters and tested when he left as we got anotheruJ storage works chassis to use them in, but it was decided to get new larger drives for it and sell these.w    Hope that answers your question.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:09:52 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>0 Subject: RE: Hobbyist OpenVMS Alpha and DECNetXX- Message-ID: <0033000022373407000002L072*@MHS>a    =0AHere are my Multia bookmarks.( The djesys link is the best one for VMS.5 Can't vouch for the aliveness of the rest, as they'red
 a bit old.  - I did the fanjob described in the netbsd faq.a Noisy, but much cooler.n   WWWebb    0 http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/alpha/multiafaq.html@ ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/Alpha/firmware/readmes/multia.html@ http://www.starshipcorp.com/starshipcomputers/multia/multia.html% http://www.wei.com/multia/qshome.html0. http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/multia.html0 http://www.brouhaha.com/~eric/computers/udb.html       > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ' > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 12:19 PMRF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET2 > Subject: re: Hobbyist OpenVMS Alpha and DECNetXX >A >p. > Thank you for the replies on the subject(s). >sH > I have been using VMS/MicroVMS/OpenVMS for 16 years now.  With varyin= gtA > degrees of expertise (increasing, I hope).  I was successful inpE > installing gnu/linux on one of my Multias.  Until the battery died..: > ;-)  And I wanted to install OpenVMS on my other Multia. >1F > I understand that OpenVMS is not officially supported by DEC/Compaq.> > And I have a lot of odd files lying around pertaining to the > installation.o > D > I will probably document the installation process in gorey detail.# > And post it if there is interest.  >0H > I could use some help in the type of battery I need.  As I imagine my=  - > other Multia's power will soon be gone. ;-)3 >c > Tony - >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:03:52 -0700t0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> Subject: Re: Info-VAX filtering , Message-ID: <3AE46E87.47C64C3A@Mvb.Saic.Com>   Bill Todd wrote: > K > I just replied with the message appended below and received the followingt > automated response:* > ; > Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content.  > . > Place = Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com; ; ; Bill Todd > Sender = Bill Todd5 > Subject = Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG22 > Delivery Time = April 22, 2001 (Sunday) 12:41:26 > Policy = Dirty Words* > Action on this mail = Quarantine message > % > Warning message from administrator:o9 > Sender, Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail.$ > M > Now, as I read c.o.v. as a newsgroup, I don't care much what censorship mayuK > be applied by Info-VAX, but some of the rest of you might.  I've placed afJ > couple of strategic asterisks in what seemed likely the offending places& > below and am now going to try again.  H For the record, this is not an Info-VAX filter.  It was done at the siteH of some *recipient* of Info-VAX and, being massively brain-dead, it sentG the notice back to the address in the From: header (you) instead of thetG address in the envelope Mail From: header (me) as it is supposed to do.o  F You can notify me when you receive such messages if you wish, but theyG only impact any user(s) at the improperly configured site, not the rest  of the list.  
 Mark Berryman  Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com Info-VAX administrator   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:04:10 -0400a; From: Robert DiRosario <robert.j.dirosario.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>s6 Subject: Re: KZCCA Ultrawide SCSI Adapters for the VAX- Message-ID: <3AE4A6DA.104ABF84@gsfc.nasa.gov>e  S I have two 4000/106 systems, each with an HSD10  in them.  They use standard 50 pin5T connectors for DSSI and SCSI, they have a 5 pin DSSI power connector on them and are9 mounted in a drive bay.  I just removed one of the unused W blank covers on the back of the case and got a SCSI cable with an internal connector atnU one end and and an external connector at the other and ran it through the hole in theeW case.  It's not pretty, but it's good enough for my hobbyist cluster.  The systems came79 with a single internal SCSI drive connector to the HSD10.t  Q I also opened up an HSD10 from a SW box and it's the same as what's in my 4000's.l  V I got the systems from an excess property sale, so I have no idea how the HSD10's were ordered.? I don't know if there are any "wide" versions of the HSD units.t   Hope that helps.   Robert   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:   > Hi Brian.  >aU > For reasons that are pretty boaring and covered in prior rants-and-raves, I haven't T > the need or desire to use Storageworks any longer.  In fact, last fall we replacedU > everything with a Infrotrends based disk array which screams and puts Compaq/DEC to M > shame both in price and performance.  The problem is that the 8-bit SE SCSInR > interface that is standard on a VAX 4000/100 is terrible.  The long story short,T > the disk array works great (though I need to bandwidth), but my tape subsystems doT > not and all of these devices are ultrawide which, as I mentioned, the standard VAX > adapter is only SE narrow. >dU > My A to Z issue is that I need external UW SCSI support.  How I get there is rathereO > unimportant provided that it doesn't break the bank and that it is not a stephR > backwards in performance.  I know of the DSSI buses, and that they are slow, butU > I'm only getting 3MB asynchronous SCSI from the existing VAX adapter, so to get twohN > more channels at that speed may not be a bad deal provided that I can get itO > converted and successfully support external UW SCSI without SW baggage.  WhateO > DEC/Compaq never sold, to my knowledge, was a vanilla DSSI to SCSI adapter ore+ > convertor that operated standalone to SW.U >t# > Did this make it as clear as mud?  >a
 > Regards, >t > BarryI >e > B Fairweather wrote: >  > > Hello Barry, > >oN > >     The HSD30 or HSD50 is hardware RAID.  They support Mirror and RAID 3-5S > > The HSD50 allows you to partition a RAID set 1-4 devices served to VMS.  You do:@ > > not need any of theVolshad licenses all hardware controlled. > >LS > >     Does that help or ?  If you can spread your application/data out, I've beenh
 > > prettyR > > happy with the HSD##.  I have 1 VMScluster I run with 4 HSD50s (1 per I/O bus)7 > > with 3 VAX 4705A and an Alpha 4100 as Server nodes.i > >  > >     Fyi,
 > >     Brian  >l > -- >iA > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOn >cC > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:09:49 -0400 0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)- Subject: Re: LP27/AlphaServer 2100 ConnectionY< Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-2304011610190001@169.254.94.35>  > In article <01c0c6a0$db2cd7b0$32341895@jpeters>, "J.G. Peters" <jpeters@sctcorp.com> wrote:  5 > We still need help on this LP27 issue. At least oneh0 > reponse suggested that the LP27 connected to a4 > Decserver 250 and served via LAT to the Alpha 2100 > would be the way to go.e  I If you need a cable to connect the LP27 printer to a terminal server that3> does not have a matching port, Photologic may be able to help:  )    http://www.eagle.ca/~hoffman/main.htmlY   Paul   -- s
 Paul Anderson0  OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:01:48 GMTs0 From: Mark MIller <markmiller3@worldnet.att.net>- Subject: Re: LP27/AlphaServer 2100 Connectionc0 Message-ID: <3AE4CF8D.8A7C6854@worldnet.att.net>  F I am presently using a Alpha 2100 and DS20E connecting to a LP27 via aK DecServer 250. If memory is correct the LP27 use the Digital LP11 interfaceNJ which is parallel port. The Decserver 250 is the last Decserver that I canL remember that supports this device. I do have cable layout at work and I canJ sent that to you.  I went through the same thing 5 years ago trying find aJ device to support the LP27. We finally just purchase two rebuild Decserver7 250's, put one online and kept the other for a back up.t   Mark Milleri Flight Test Engineeringt The Boeing Company   Paul Anderson wrote:  @ > In article <01c0c6a0$db2cd7b0$32341895@jpeters>, "J.G. Peters" > <jpeters@sctcorp.com> wrote: >F7 > > We still need help on this LP27 issue. At least oneI2 > > reponse suggested that the LP27 connected to a6 > > Decserver 250 and served via LAT to the Alpha 2100 > > would be the way to go.O >1K > If you need a cable to connect the LP27 printer to a terminal server that @ > does not have a matching port, Photologic may be able to help: >R+ >    http://www.eagle.ca/~hoffman/main.htmlO >C > Paul >I > -- > Paul Anderson" >  OpenVMS Engineering >  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:16:57 -0700:! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comr2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSGD Message-ID: <OF9F4A058F.13658C42-ON88256A37.00644D2C@foundation.com>  F I don't suppose you could post just that section to the group earlier,J please Hoff? IIRC we've only just had a refresh of the FAQ, and I'm sure a- lot of us are interested in that information.e   Shanet          F hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) on 04/23/2001 10:40:12 AM  > Please respond to hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma cc:n  3 Subject:  Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSGa      C   The OpenVMS management structure -- including email addresses andMC   titles -- will be updated in the next edition of the OpenVMS FAQ.f  2  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------l/    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringo hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:00:15 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG, Message-ID: <3AE4C20B.7614DA24@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > E >   The OpenVMS management structure -- including email addresses and-E >   titles -- will be updated in the next edition of the OpenVMS FAQ.P  N Considering the number of times this was changed in recent times, I would haveJ thought that a real-time automated database would have been setup to track' who'se in charge of what today :-) :-) -  M You mean you have to manually update a web page whenever there is a change in3L management at Compaq ? No wonder it is taking so long to release 7.3 :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-) :-) :-) :-)-   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 20:25:33 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)l2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG3 Message-ID: <DCYge5bTSFIR@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  = I think you miss the point of avoiding email addresses in the = newsgroups.  Posting a newsgroup notification when the FAQ is  changed should be adequate.r  @ Personally I have started to get bounce messages apparently fromA spam sent out by someone specifying my address as the originator.z   Larry Kilgallen   h In article <OF9F4A058F.13658C42-ON88256A37.00644D2C@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: > H > I don't suppose you could post just that section to the group earlier,L > please Hoff? IIRC we've only just had a refresh of the FAQ, and I'm sure a/ > lot of us are interested in that information.o >  > Shanee >  >  >  >  > H > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) on 04/23/2001 10:40:12 AM > @ > Please respond to hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > cc:- > 5 > Subject:  Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG0 >  >  > E >   The OpenVMS management structure -- including email addresses andqE >   titles -- will be updated in the next edition of the OpenVMS FAQ.6 > 4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > ---------------------------v1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringd > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  -- s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:34:33 -0700f! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comg2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSGD Message-ID: <OFDFA3F6DD.C58F81FC-ON88256A38.0002FE2C@foundation.com>  G It was more the timing than the method that I was interested in. I'd beoJ happy with a pointer to the information somewhere. I know updating the FAQK is a lot of work, and since it's just been done I was concerned it might be . months before Hoff had a chance to do another.  2 By all means, keep the addresses of the newsgroup.   Shanee          J Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) on 04/23/2001 06:25:33 PM  E Please respond to Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)-   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 cc:   3 Subject:  Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSGj    = I think you miss the point of avoiding email addresses in theE= newsgroups.  Posting a newsgroup notification when the FAQ isU changed should be adequate.s  @ Personally I have started to get bounce messages apparently fromA spam sent out by someone specifying my address as the originator.m   Larry Kilgallen   D In article <OF9F4A058F.13658C42-ON88256A37.00644D2C@foundation.com>,# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:a >lH > I don't suppose you could post just that section to the group earlier,J > please Hoff? IIRC we've only just had a refresh of the FAQ, and I'm sure ae/ > lot of us are interested in that information.e >I > ShaneV >I >& >m >3 >2H > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) on 04/23/2001 10:40:12 AM >/@ > Please respond to hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) >e > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt > cc:i >a5 > Subject:  Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG& >& >w >oE >   The OpenVMS management structure -- including email addresses andAE >   titles -- will be updated in the next edition of the OpenVMS FAQ.e >L4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > ---------------------------h1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringc > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >V >I >& >m >3 >0 >& >& --   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:45:46 -0500-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG' Message-ID: <3AE4DACA.B6863BFB@fsi.net>o   Adam Price wrote:- > ` > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:3AE302DD.B01E087A@fsi.net... > > "Doc.Cypher" wrote:r > > > [snip]M > > > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:e > > > > [snip]+ > > > >...and his e-mail address is ... ???  > > >.I > > > A word of warning, don't post email addresses in the newsgroup. The. > > > spambots will get 'em. > > F > > Feel free to mung the address as necessary ... spell it backwards,I > > replace punctuation with words, add obviously extraneous information,/1 > > ... whatever. This is common knowledge, also.r > >dM > e-mail addresses at compaq take the form firstname lastname @ company . come > His conforms to the standard.h  C Which, of course, leaves only one question: is it "Mike.Winkler" oru "Michael.Winkler"?  D (An authoritative answer would be helpful. I usually prefer to avoid guessing games.)   --   David J. Dachterav dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:48:45 +0100h. From: "Adam Price" <adam@pappnase.demon.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSGA Message-ID: <988091764.16354.0.nnrp-08.c2deb51d@news.demon.co.uk>   ^ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:3AE4DACA.B6863BFB@fsi.net... > Adam Price wrote:e > > b > > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message news:3AE302DD.B01E087A@fsi.net... > > > "Doc.Cypher" wrote:  > > > > [snip]O > > > > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:f > > > > > [snip]- > > > > >...and his e-mail address is ... ???- > > > >-K > > > > A word of warning, don't post email addresses in the newsgroup. TheB > > > > spambots will get 'em. > > >HH > > > Feel free to mung the address as necessary ... spell it backwards,K > > > replace punctuation with words, add obviously extraneous information, 3 > > > ... whatever. This is common knowledge, also.a > > >rO > > e-mail addresses at compaq take the form firstname lastname @ company . com ! > > His conforms to the standard.n >sE > Which, of course, leaves only one question: is it "Mike.Winkler" ori > "Michael.Winkler"? >lF > (An authoritative answer would be helpful. I usually prefer to avoid > guessing games.) >s mike.winklerB I've e-mailed you the complete version so you don't have to Guess.
 Adam Price   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 02:24:59 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@ Subject: Re: Mounting and Management station: comments please...- Message-ID: <87d7a3eao4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  L > In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104231529490.21828-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>, > gs@stanpol.com.pl wrote: >  > >  Can anyone comment:  C > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/argus/index.htmlnD > > "And, OpenVMS Management Station mounts volumes much faster than6 > > is possible with DCL or command procedures, [...]" > > ********************  B > Notice the wording: "with DCL or command procedures".  As if anyE > sane person sits around at boot time actually typing MOUNT commandso
 > by hand.  B Well I'll offer a public challenge to do it faster with my system.E First minor nit will be that they are RZ72s! Be fun seeing them speediD them up for mounts. Oh and it will get the shadow set right? Yeah...A My 'complicated' DCL procedure takes about 1 1/2 sec. That for 141 drives.   B > I assume there were hordes of VMS system managers demanding thisB > product over the last few years.  After all, we know that Compaq9 > always listens to its customers where VMS is concerned.p  E They listen, but they stick there head up a dark place first, and allr) they hear is the gas from their own s***.i  C > Now I'm going to go wash my hands.  This Management Station thingd > makes me feel dirty...  : Second step of a VMS install, DEL sys$common:[tnt...]*.*;*A (after hunting around to find the right directory spec, long gonen from my systems)   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:03:36 -0000n- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)o? Subject: Multinet SMTP "From:" (was MAIL$SEND_ADD_ATTRIBUTE...)n/ Message-ID: <te8v4856nj1l94@news.supernews.com>m   Hi,p  H I'm attempting to construct a mail message in C code on an OpenVMS 7.2-1F box running Multinet 4.2.  Using the MAIL$... routines and a couple ofE privs, I can alter the "From" field of the mail message to whatever IoF want - which is good. However, before the message leaves the box, someD entity changes from From line that I carefully crafted in code from > <myname@somecorp.org> to <"myname@somecorp.org"@localbox.org>.  F Would anyone know how to instruct Multinet (I think) to *not* add the 8 <@localbox.org> trailer (and the double-quote wrapper) ?   Thanks,a   ws   -- c1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>e   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:53:02 +0100m4 From: "John D. Peedle" <john@peedle.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: OpenVMS Advertising/ Message-ID: <9c27vh$o4m$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>a  - Well chaps, Compaq has gone for the big time.r  G The back cover of IT Week here in the UK is busy telling the world that : OpenVMS is the most reliable Alphaserver operating System.  @ They suggest that you have to ask a search engine by the name of) northernlight.com to establish this fact!a  J It all looks really good... until you read the small print at the bottom -K ...Proliant and Inspiration Technology are trademarks of Compaq Informationo Technologies Group L.P...w  J Now the burning question is, just when did OpenVMS come out on a Proliant?   John D. Peedle   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:29:10 -0500r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Advertising& Message-ID: <3AE4E4F6.AC33040@fsi.net>   "John D. Peedle" wrote:  > / > Well chaps, Compaq has gone for the big time.h > I > The back cover of IT Week here in the UK is busy telling the world thatn< > OpenVMS is the most reliable Alphaserver operating System.  ? Try to get a price on a bulk shipment of them. I'll arrange fornA distribution here in the states so the U.S. market gets the word.a  uB > They suggest that you have to ask a search engine by the name of+ > northernlight.com to establish this fact!e > L > It all looks really good... until you read the small print at the bottom -M > ...Proliant and Inspiration Technology are trademarks of Compaq Informationm > Technologies Group L.P...e > L > Now the burning question is, just when did OpenVMS come out on a Proliant?  0 Probably that same time it came out for AMD. :-)   -- a David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.H   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:51:28 -0700o! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comd8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!D Message-ID: <OFF69C0141.5ED5926E-ON88256A37.00676470@foundation.com>  K Unless I'm misreading him, he's doing neither. He's using sarcasm to take aaF potshot at Sun. And in response, you're doing a crude variation of theK "When did you stop beating your wife?" verbal trap. Run out of imagination, 
 eh Andrew?   Shane           D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/23/2001 08:58:12 AM  < Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- cc:-  9 Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!r     Paul Repacholi wrote:A >r4 > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: >sG > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: As is making claims for existing systems which1? > > are not supported by the data you youselves have published.p >m > OK Kerry, naughty boy! Smak. > H > You should know that it is only aceptable to enrich the mental gardens@ > of you poor punters by spreading infomation based on NDA data. >   ) So was Kerrys posting bullshit or are youc
 defending it.      Regardst Andrew Harrisona Enterprise IT Architecti   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:10:49 +0100/% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versiont* Message-ID: <3AE4A868.1892230F@virgin.net>   Dan O'Reilly wrote:p  M > Not on a Multia.  I think only 7.1 or 7.2 (I forget the exact version) willR > run on a Multia. >0  L If you follow the Multia unsupported procedures you can boot 7.2-1 fine evenN though I think the procedures were listed as valid for 7.1 at the time.  Might# work under 7.3 EFT2. Anybody tried?l   >  > ------K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ K > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | K > | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |eK > | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |'K > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |TK > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+<   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:44:46 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versiono/ Message-ID: <yf2F6.91$5I.2281@news.cpqcorp.net>T  ^ In article <3ae2366f.94220494@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen) writes:  C :I was wondering what version of OpenVMS I can run under a hobbyisto :license.  a     Any.  * :So I can get access to the 7.2-1 media.       Fine.   . :I would like to install OpenVMS on my Multia.  D   Only those OpenVMS versions that have kits have a shot of booting D   on Multia -- I would only assume that those OpenVMS versions that D   have Mulita kits available have a shot of bootstrapping on Multia.  @   I would NOT assume that there will be future versions of these8   (unsupported) Multia bootstrap kits for use on Multia.  A   I am aware of no (midnight engineering) work to get OpenVMS to QF   bootstrap on Multia on any new releases -- the only (midnight) work A   specifically targeted OpenVMS Alpha V6.2-1H3, V7.1-2, and V7.2./  =   I am NOT aware of any new work in this area, nor any plans.a  B   Given that the images in the (unsupported) Multia kits are core E   images of the OpenVMS kernel, I would NOT assume that these images tH   can be transported to and successfully used on other OpenVMS versions.  B   Again, I would NOT assume that there will be future versions of >   these (unsupported) Multia bootstrap kits for use on Multia.  ?   If you do decide to try to bootstrap OpenVMS, make CERTAIN tom,   follow the exact directions in the kits...  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 20:11:01 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)a% Subject: RE: OpenVMS Hobbyist versione3 Message-ID: <GXoaA7oJEMOL@eisner.encompasserve.org>:  i In article <5.0.2.1.2.20010423085906.00a90fc8@ntbsod.psccos.com>, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:?1 > At 08:02 AM 4/23/2001, Christopher Smith wrote:: >> > -----Original Message------7 >> > From: a-mullen@uiuc.edu [mailto:a-mullen@uiuc.edu]3 >>G >> > I was wondering what version of OpenVMS I can run under a hobbyistRK >> > license.  I can get the media via our University's CSLG.  So I can getcF >> > access to the 7.2-1 media.  I would like to install OpenVMS on my >> > Multia. >>1 >>I believe the official answer is "any version."Q > M > Not on a Multia.  I think only 7.1 or 7.2 (I forget the exact version) willg > run on a Multia.  B Even with a MicroVAX II, I believe Hobbyist license are only valid> for VMS V5.0 and above, since that is when LMF was introduced.2 Perhaps even VMS V5.2, due to an LMF technicality.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:26:57 -0400u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versiona, Message-ID: <3AE4C84C.5FEB6375@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: C >   Again, I would NOT assume that there will be future versions of2@ >   these (unsupported) Multia bootstrap kits for use on Multia.  C OK, now that you've said that enough times to ensure nobody is held J responsible for providing such support, how soon will you stay late at the- office to do this unsupported thing ? :-) :-)   ? Seriously, what is different *in VMS* to allow Multia to boot ?f  M For instance, once you've written the code to support the all mighty Microvax-M II, does such code need to be rewritten for every version, or just recompiled # and linked into the system image ?    N I realise that there are qualification issues, but those wouldn't apply on the  unsupported Multia, woudl they ?   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:50:01 -0500 (CDT)s From: sms@antinode.org% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version>) Message-ID: <01042319500180@antinode.org>t  9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)   D > Even with a MicroVAX II, I believe Hobbyist license are only valid@ > for VMS V5.0 and above, since that is when LMF was introduced.4 > Perhaps even VMS V5.2, due to an LMF technicality.  F    Ah, but the PAK is not the license, and the license is not the PAK,E as in, "Your license will be granted upon the issuance of the licenser key."  It's a nice distinction.o  F    The license may be perfectly valid, even where the PAK is useless. F (If you don't have the magic TK50 and you're trying to enable a DECnet> router on VMS V4.7, all the licenses in the world won't help.)  =    You can buy a PAK on eBay, but not the associated license.d  H    In any case, I always figure that, within reasonable limits, what youB do at home in your (spare) bedroom is your own business, until theG software police come pounding on the door, of course.  Hark!  Someone's2 knocking ...  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)f9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:07:27 -0500)1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version ' Message-ID: <3AE4DFDF.41970E87@fsi.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > [snip]C >   Given that the images in the (unsupported) Multia kits are coreoF >   images of the OpenVMS kernel, I would NOT assume that these imagesJ >   can be transported to and successfully used on other OpenVMS versions.  ' How 'bout a sergeant? ...or a corporal?c  $ I guess we're stuck with a kernel...   -- - David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems, http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:36:15 -0500-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versione' Message-ID: <3AE4E69F.29C07C1F@fsi.net>    JF Mezei wrote:l >  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:sE > >   Again, I would NOT assume that there will be future versions of B > >   these (unsupported) Multia bootstrap kits for use on Multia. > E > OK, now that you've said that enough times to ensure nobody is heldrL > responsible for providing such support, how soon will you stay late at the/ > office to do this unsupported thing ? :-) :-)i > A > Seriously, what is different *in VMS* to allow Multia to boot ?p  @ I believe it's just the CPU routines module, but what do I know?  E Seriously, that seems to be the major component of the "foreign boot"l; diskette required to get the Multia up and running OpenVMS./   -- o David J. DachteraO dba DJE Systemsw http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:52:31 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: OpenVMS V7.3 Shipsw/ Message-ID: <zZZE6.75$5I.1870@news.cpqcorp.net>e  *   Follow-ups have been set to comp.os.vms.  G   OpenVMS Engineering has shipped OpenVMS V7.3, and -- given the usual CG   software manufacturing and shipping cycle times -- the software kits cF   will be appearing at contract customer sites in North America withinF   the next month or so, and at other contract customer sites over the    next six weeks or so.   3   Included in the shipment is TCP/IP Services V5.1.   E   The OpenVMS V7.3 Software Developer's Kit (SDK) and External Field kF   Test processes are now ending, and all bug reports should be routed )   via the Compaq Customer Support Center.o   	--o  G   Bugs I know of in V7.3 so far: The Freeware V5.0 volume 2 menu systemaF   is messed up, and will return an error 2000.4 -- this due to controlD   characters embedded in the titles of a couple of the README files,G   characters that I erroneously missed removing when I built the final u,   menu database files for the second volume.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:03:42 -0000<- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)t1 Subject: Re: Oracle 8i, OpenVMS, and IEEE floats? / Message-ID: <te965e3l37ppc6@news.supernews.com>m  B steve.reiner@alcan.com (Steve Reiner) wrote in <9bk550$9girj$1@ID- 63593.news.dfncis.de>:  I >Atho possibly slightly off-topic for this group, maybe someone can help. K >We are shoveling data into an Oracle 8i database from applications runninge@ >in an OpenVMS (v7.2-1) Alpha system.  For applications that areK >database-aware, we're using the Oracle Pro*C and Pro*Fortran precompilers.iK >So far, so good.  Some of our applications use IEEE floating point format. G >It seems that Oracle does not know how to deal with this float format. F >Using the default ("G") float format (from Fortran at least) seems to& >produce good and predictable results.J >If anyone can give me a pointer or two on how to deal with IEEE floats in2 >combination with Oracle, it would be appreciated. >Thanks in advance.m >  -- Steve Reiner >n   Steve,  L More details please...  Are the IEEE-based programs willing to be "database J aware"?  Can you embed SQL in them for database access?  If so, there are E RTL routines for conversion amongst the various floating point types.f   ws (ex Alcan, Oswego Works)   -- *1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>t   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:28:27 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>-$ Subject: Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace", Message-ID: <3AE4BA9B.42675358@infopuls.com>   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:c > L > These details are not shared for pretty much the same reason that detailedG > information on the construction of nuclear weapons is not shared; theiQ > information could and would be used against us!  I suspsect that the revelation Q > of NSA's cryptological techniques might be more dangerous to our interests thant8 > the revelation of nuclear weapons technology would be. > P > And, assuming that all the cryptologic information was freely  available, whatJ > would you do with it?  Unless you are trying to secure your military andN > diplomatic communications or to read the communications of your enemies, theQ > techniques are not particularly useful.  Nor are the cryptanalytical techniquesrQ > anything that the average citizen could employ even if he had them; it requires>P > a great deal of knowledge, a great deal of computing capacity, a great deal ofP > time, and a great deal of persistance to break a good encryption system.  BillN > Gates has the resources; you and I don't and are never likely to have.  I am& > happy to have the stuff kept secret!  ? I learned about cryptology that a method must be secure even ife? it is revealed. It is highly unlikely that there are methods to 5 break real strong cryptography. If they were the best @ mathematicians in Russia would probably have them too. The point: is that to best knowledge computing power doesn't help you@ because of exponential growth of needed power with the length of> the key. The key length are choosen to be of a length which is@ sufficiently safe i.e. that within the next five or ten years no6 computer will ever have a smallest chance to break it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:35:41 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>,$ Subject: Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace", Message-ID: <3AE4BC4D.D3D6572A@infopuls.com>   Christopher Smith wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----; > > From: Richard B. Gilbert [mailto:Dragon@CompuServe.Com]h > @ > > These details are not shared for pretty much the same reason > > that detailedgI > > information on the construction of nuclear weapons is not shared; thee? > > information could and would be used against us!  I suspsect  > > that the revelationn@ > > of NSA's cryptological techniques might be more dangerous to > > our interests than: > > the revelation of nuclear weapons technology would be. > K > No argument there -- my argument is more on what constitutes the "us."  IaN > don't trust the government to work for my best interest, nor do I trust them > to care a whit for me at all.o  @ Do you really think that the technique to create nuclear weapons= and the technique of how to protect  communication or data by % applying algorithms can be compared??a= Think about the difference of the target: nuclear weapons cana> damage real things, cryptographic algorithms can only protect.  H > It would take quite a bit to convince me that the government was stillI > working for the people, and could be trusted with secrets which, by allp > rights, belong to the people.a   Agreed.n  A > > And, assuming that all the cryptologic information was freelyd > >  available, what? > > would you do with it?  Unless you are trying to secure yourh > M > Nothing.  See above.  I simply don't like the people whose hands it's in at! > this point. :)   Agreed.5   [SNIP]  L > All good points, and I won't argue any of them.  But do you trust the NSA?   No.s  N > It's pretty hard for me to even trust the other military organizations we'veN > got, and they're legally bound to keep public records. (Not that they always > comply, I've heard.) >hF > I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist; it's just that theN > government has done too many things in the past that it shouldn't have done,@ > and I don't see any evidence that it's changed its ways since.   Agreed.e  I > Have you ever heard the "Hi, I'm from the government; I'm here to help". > joke?.   No I don't, unfortunately.  J > You've argued pretty convincingly for the secrecy of a few things, but IM > would imagine that for every one of those things, for which the argument isoM > good, there are a hundred more, for which the argument is utter nonsense --g > or worse.y   Agreed.t  K > I'd be happier to have the "secret agencies" dissolved and risk those fewlD > things being not so well protected than to worry about whether theI > government is doing nasty things behind my back. :)  But again, you may E > trust them more than I.  I'd be happier still for the government toRJ > straighten itself back out, but I doubt that will happen in my lifetime.   Agreed.y  
 > Regards, >  > Chrisi > # > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  > Amdocs - Champaign, IL >  > /usr/bin/perl -e 'A > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  > '  > # > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  > Amdocs - Champaign, IL >  > /usr/bin/perl -e 'A > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");- > '-   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 20:13:34 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n$ Subject: Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"3 Message-ID: <DmZfON2PcfBY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3AE4BA9B.42675358@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes:  A > it is revealed. It is highly unlikely that there are methods to-! > break real strong cryptography.-  A It is tautological that there are no methods to break real stronga
 cryptography.   C But there is another reason to keep algorithms secret -- to prevent & opponents from using those algorithms.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 10:26:00 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)y* Subject: Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!3 Message-ID: <k5ZiBYDyMHpG@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  a In article <NxnKLFiPC26T@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:i  ) > http://www.theinquirer.net/20040106.htm   D "By a staff writer (cough)" using style I think I've seen elsewhere. Anyone else notice?a  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationf= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:40:41 GMTh4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>* Subject: Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!= Message-ID: <Jb2F6.31914$%_1.9017051@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   : "Bob Koehler" <koehler@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:k5ZiBYDyMHpG@eisner.encompasserve.org...f5 > In article <NxnKLFiPC26T@eisner.encompasserve.org>,N- young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:. > + > > http://www.theinquirer.net/20040106.htma >>F > "By a staff writer (cough)" using style I think I've seen elsewhere. > Anyone else notice?.  L The writer hisself noticed. Hey, at least some relatively solid info got outK there; there were plenty o' rumours circulating in the middle of last week.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:35:58 -0000:- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)a' Subject: Re: SAS on VMS vs Windoze 2000S/ Message-ID: <te981uoo621u8d@news.supernews.com>n  0 Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com (Stuart, Ed) wrote inH <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCCF3B63A@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>:   F >I've been asked to spec a SAS server for our load forecasting group. D >Our production database servers run Oracle on OpenVMS, but the loadH >forecasting team is very pro-Windoze.  I'm looking for pointers to helpI >support my argument.  Also, from what I can tell the interface to SAS onSI >OpenVMS is X based so I would have to include an x-term for the clients.V   Ed,y  L x-term's come in Windoze-compatible form factors these days.  Buy eXcursion I (from Compaq), eXceed (from Hummingbird) or other.  Installs on Windoze,  G and gives you x-term's on the desktop.  eXcusion may be free if you've  A already licensed Pathworks seats - your sales rep knows for sure.i  J Depending on the criticality of the application, you may not wish to risk F running the back end on Windoze, since your clustering, partitioning, G mirroring, and shadowing options are rather limited when compared with o8 OpenVMS.  Scalability is perhaps a more obvious concern.   ws   --  1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>f   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 19:26:42 -0500+ From: becker@encompasserve.org (Jim Becker)i' Subject: Re: SAS on VMS vs Windoze 2000l3 Message-ID: <tt2h$5bhhk2l@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCCF3B63A@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>, "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes:K > I've been asked to spec a SAS server for our load forecasting group.  OursM > production database servers run Oracle on OpenVMS, but the load forecastingrH > team is very pro-Windoze.  I'm looking for pointers to help support myL > argument.  Also, from what I can tell the interface to SAS on OpenVMS is X> > based so I would have to include an x-term for the clients.    Hi Ed,  7 We do a lot of SAS around here on both Windows and VMS.n  5 There are several ways to use the VMS version of SAS:vC - X Windows as you say; any of the usual X solutions at the desktop.E will do -- X terminals, various Windows-based X emulators (ReflectioneF X, eXcursion, PC-Xware, etc.); pretty much the same interface as using PC SASE - "Non-interactive" (command-line) execution; $ sas myprog.sas runs asF program you've previously created by any acceptable means for creating a text file D - Horrid (IMO) display manager mode (screen-oriented, character-cellF interface); I find this very awkward, but maybe it's just because I've' never really climbed the learning curveoC - Horrid (IMO) interactive line mode (command-line oriented, withino@ SAS); ditto previous comments on awkwardness and failure to have climbed the learning curve! - SAS/Connect; more on this belowd  E SAS/Connect is a cross-over component in which one SAS implementation-E talks to another. It lets PC SAS ship segments of code to SAS on someeB other box for execution (VMS SAS). Semi-transparently, SAS/ConnectF establishes a telnet connection to the Alpha, requiring a username andE password from the PC SAS user. We find that SAS/Connect isn't hard to.B learn for someone who knows PC SAS. The user must learn at least aC little about VMS directory structures etc., but it hasn't been verya? hard for them here (must be the excellent teacher they have whoe& delivers a Using SAS on VMS class ;-).  E The OOTB SAS/Connect connection script isn't very smart about expiredtF passwords. If you get to this point, I can send you my doctored script? that handles expired passwords. SAS/Connect also opens a second B connection, after getting authenticated over telnet; you can forceC this second connection to a particular port if necessary, so ask me- how if it matters later.  C In our experience, VMS SAS far outperforms PC SAS for a given task, > whether it's raw computation or massive I/O. This is on mostly8 recent-model PCs using local storage vs. an Alpha 4100.   E We run NetWare file services as well, and we've found that PC SAS canfF bring a NetWare server to its knees. (I'm afraid I don't have the full explanation as to why.),  ? We also point out to our users that the Alpha offers unattendedaC execution, and that it leaves your PC free for other activities. PCyD SAS ties up your PC, especially if you're running something massive.F Even if you use SAS/Connect, all the action is on the Alpha; the PC is just the front end.I  D SAS tech support for VMS is good. Their on-line knowledge base has aF lot of VMS-specific articles. Their printed manual, _SAS Companion for: the OpenVMS Environment_, is informative. You can use someF VMS-specific modifiers for SAS operations (e.g. allocation quantities,3 default extension quantities, logical names, etc.).   F In our experience, SAS has maintained excellent feature parity between the VMS and Windows versions.t  8 SAS data sets are not compatible across platforms (localD floating-point representation etc.), but transport files aren't hardC to create. We find that people tend to gravitate their data sets tobD one side or the other and leave them there, so this doesn't actually come up very often.g   HTH:   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 19:24 CSTd' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)s' Subject: Re: SAS on VMS vs Windoze 2000c- Message-ID: <23APR200119245123@gerg.tamu.edu>   3 "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes...sJ }I've been asked to spec a SAS server for our load forecasting group.  OurL }production database servers run Oracle on OpenVMS, but the load forecastingG }team is very pro-Windoze.  I'm looking for pointers to help support my@K }argument.  Also, from what I can tell the interface to SAS on OpenVMS is X = }based so I would have to include an x-term for the clients.   } % }Ed Stuart                              G What you need could be anything from a basic DS10 to a cluster of maxedsF out GS320s. It isn't possible to say without knowing what sort of loadA you are talking about (but the GS320 cluster is pretty unlikely).   D A good place to start would probably be giving a hint as to what you@ are running it on now and how much growth you need to allow for.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:29:31 GMTt1 From: pat jankowiak <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net>eK Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas arear0 Message-ID: <3AE50E70.4A626D38@worldnet.att.net>  ? complain complain.. Geez they give away a fun peice of gear andaA all people do is whine. I am not singling out Barry by any means,t> it's just that I have been lurking here in the CW mode, and it= just gets to me when people complain about stuff they get foro5 free. Personally, I would love to have an IPAQ for my.@ living-room. Right now I have a DEC 3000-400, which, despite its> excellence, takes up alot of desk/table space. For the 'living; room', and IPAQ would be perfect, maybe overkill (the alpha-A certainly is).. I just get e-mail and browse the web from there. e  > As for Rich, he does listen, if you are nice to him when y'all talk..   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: >  > "Stuart, Ed" wrote:s > N > > Also, one of the lucky attendees will walk away with a Compaq IPAQ!!!!!!!!N > > Even if you don't care about what Rich has to say...come for the chance to > > win the IPAQ!!!r > O > An Ipuck?  What do you do what that?  Play hockey?  How about a real piece ofSM > equipment?   Perhaps even a fully loaded Alpha at least as a hobbyist tool?g >  > Barryr >  > -- > A > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOs > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028o   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 17:32:00 -07003 From: Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com>r5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen? 0 Message-ID: <qh66fv9lz3.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>  ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:TF > I'm fairly sure the electricity regulations laws require three-phaseC > supplies to be provided to anyone, where practical, if asked for.   C For a fee, which varies depending on how much material and labor is B necessary to bring it in.  If you have three-phase on a pole rightE outside, it might be cheap.  If the closest is several miles away, iti will be somewhat expensive.S  c   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:54:56 GMT 1 From: pat jankowiak <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net>-5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?:0 Message-ID: <3AE50655.3F33469B@worldnet.att.net>  @ The fans in a 6000 are DC and run off the power supply. The 6530< I have is 208 wye. I think this means 110VAC between any two@ phases and 208 to neutral. One thing of note is that the neutral? does not go into the rectifier. it is I think used in the power $ control box, where some relays live.  A This leads me to beleive that two isolated 110V power sources canN? be applied to the power cable, but I can't figure out how to dor it yet.    "L. E. Leaman" wrote:l > & > On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Dan Cook wrote:D > >On Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:07:56 GMT, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote: > > S > >>In Holland we call a 3 phase 380 volts connection a triangle connection , and atT > >>3 phase 230 volts connection a star connection (the centre of the star being theC > >>neutral, and the points of the star / triangle are the phases).  > >iL > >I think we call those DELTA and WYE here in the US, but I could be wrong. > F > You are correct, DELTA & WYE. Normal home wiring is 240 single phaseM > Hot, ground or neutral, Hot (120V, neutral, 120V). From what I have gleaned N > from the ng's etc this unit is easy to convert to single phase use. NOTE: IfO > this unit has 3phase fans they will not run with single phase, also if 3phase F > fans run the wrong way they can be reversed by swapping any 2 of theI > three wires. If you are dead set on using a 3phase inverter I would getbH > power specs. of the VAX and call or visit your power company for there > recomendations.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:07:45 GMTe1 From: pat jankowiak <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net>t5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?s0 Message-ID: <3AE50956.C9468D99@worldnet.att.net>  @ Actually, an 11/780 can be run off single phase. Check the power? supplies- all are regular computer cords. fans are single phase = 120VAC. just get about 6 outlet strips, and 6 heavy extensionh	 cords....l   Bob Kaplow wrote:E > P > In article <GBr3uu.LKC@world.std.com>, bdc@world.std.com (Brian Chase) writes:N > > If I were to go the route of hacking the VAX to run on single phase power,I > > I'm guessing that it would be smart to have this all fed off the sameeK > > circuit from my service planel, no?  I would imagine that it would be aeF > > bad thing for the VAX if you used multiple circuits and one of theD > > circuits were opened because of something like a thrown breaker. > 5 > It would take one he!! of a circuit to power a 780!n > N > You can get ganged breakers so they all trip together. That's exactly waht a$ > 220 breaker is, 2 ganged breakers. > 4 >         >>>>>   Boycot Yahoo's censorship!   <<<<<   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:10:35 GMT 1 From: pat jankowiak <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net> 5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?a0 Message-ID: <3AE50A01.7A257293@worldnet.att.net>  = The 6000 series runs 120-150V DC around in the cabinet. It isa> regulated in the power supply by a 3 phase bridge rectifier in$ which 3 of the 6 'diodes' are SCRs.   ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:o > I > This is partly a theoretical question, partly a design question, partlysL > rhetorical and partly a thought on options (since I chucked the last of myB > 6000 series manuals a few months back (at least I think I did)). > K > If one looks at the VAX 7000 series, there is the pedestal version of theiE > model 810 which has the capability to take up to 6 cpu modules (one M > supplied), one 12 slot XMI crate as standard (with capacity for up to three 2 > more) and memory.  This takes three phase power.G > There's also the rack mount version which has capacity for up to four'M > CPU/memory options plus an XMI crate, so it's a cut down system but still ah< > VAX 7000 model 810 as shipped.  This is only single phase. > H > So, does the pedestal actually _need_ three phase?  Is it a limitationM > imposed by the amount of kit available in the fully expanded system?  Is ityL > purely to make it neater and easier for the system manager or other personM > laying out the machine room to balance the power consumption out?  Is it to % > limit the conductor size in cables?a > K > Plus there's the thought that one of the first things that happens in the I > Laser systems (VAX 7000, DEC 7000, Alpha 8400 etc) is that the incomingi@ > power is dropped from supply to 48V DC to distribute round the > cabinet......r >  > Steve. >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:22:39 GMTr1 From: pat jankowiak <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net>h5 Subject: Re: Using 3-phase power converters on VAXen?h0 Message-ID: <3AE50CD1.48AC4787@worldnet.att.net>  = Here is the text I found. Have not tried it yet. It's for vaxa# 6000 with 208Y power requirements.  . url is http://www.decvax.org/vax6000/power.txt ====@ 6.5 Can I convert my big VAX' 3-phase power-supply for home use?  < A: I was about to say "don't try this at home, kids" - but I
 guess you'll h have to ;-)t  8 This message was posted to port-vax by Andre Skarzynski ? <andre@capes1.vector.co.za>, but was originally written by Leon.
 Heinkelein <HEINKELN@firga.sun.ac.za>:-  * ------------------- Begin included message -------------------------------g  % Date: Thu, 28 Mar 1996 08:06:20 -0200O2 From: Andre Skarzynski <andre@capes1.vector.co.za> To: port-vax@NetBSD.ORG * Subject: Re: Converting 3-pahse VAX Power.  ? Here is a note from my friend about how he converted his VAX to 
 run on singlel9 phase. I am sending it to the list, as a few people whereo intereseted and I am l sure others may be too.m  3 ------------- Begin Forwarded Message -------------r  7 >From HEINKELN@firga.sun.ac.za Wed Mar 27 17:22:14 1996 3 >From: "Leon Heinkelein" <HEINKELN@firga.sun.ac.za>=1 >To: andre@capes1.vector.co.za (Andre Skarzynski)=( >Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 17:18:44 GMT+200+ >Subject: Re: Converting 3-pahse VAX Power.   
 > Hi Leon, > J > I hope I find you well. I had a great long weekend at the Buff'. Anyway,L > the reason I called/wrote, is that I would like to please have the detailsM > of converting a 3-phase VAX power to single like you did at home. BTW, what B > model VAXen are you running? and what current are they drawing?  > 	 > Cheers,s >  > Andre'     Hello Andre@  = Looking to upgrade , eh ? The machine I have at home is a VAXr 6220. 2 > cpu's , 96 MB of RAM. Used to need three phase power , as you  correctly observe.  B The power system architecture of the VAX is arranged so that each A power regulator needs a DC supply of 300V. There are various waysS of e> obtaining this. They use a single phase bridge on the smaller ? machines (just like a PC PSU) , off 220V this gives about 311V.. (220 hB * sqrt (2)) . However , on the larger machines , it gets a little @ more involved. On the 6000 series they use a 3-phase controlled ? bridge , so they can actually regulate the 300V line. It's laidJ out  like this (here goes nothing) :o                                )             ____________________    +300Vk             |    |    |a%             -__  -__  -__  thyristors2             ^    ^    ^r             |    |    |v   L1  ------*    |    |.   L2  -----------*    |n   L3  ----------------*              |    |    |(!             -    -    -    diodese             ^    ^    ^s             |    |    |h(             --------------------- Return    >  The three-phase controlled bridge ( as you can see ) uses the Phase = to Phase voltage ( NOT the phase to neutral voltage ). With aa 3-phase B 220V supply thats about 380V AC. Multiply that by sqrt(2) and you A have about 520V DC . KABOOM ! However , in america , on a 115V 3-1? phase system , phase to phase is 208V , multiply by sqrt(2) anda you > get about 300V DC. All 6000 series machines for 380V therefore came sA equipped with a 3-phase xformer which takes the 380 V phase/phasef to s6 208V phase/phase. Which of course is very close to our neutral/phase ; , which is 220V. The way to do it , then , is to bypass then	 xformer, e; connect L1 in the drawing to LIVE , say , and connect L2 to 
 NEUTRAL , < and leave L3 open. The circuit then works just like a single phase @ controlled bridge rectifier , and works very well , giving about 305  V on the DC power bus.  > Total current is ( I'm guesstimating now) propably about 4A , - measured on the AC side , around 0.8-1.0 KVA.   @ I you get a 6000 (or similar) machine let me know. I have worked out A a very elegant way to do the above mod which entails no solderinga , @ no disconnecting of joints etc , and can be put back to factory  standard in about 30 secs.  	 Good luckt   Leon   ===r   Brian Chase wrote: > L > I'm looking to run a VAX 6000 using standard residental electrical serviceJ > (United States flavor).  I know you can modify the power supplies on theL > VAX 6000 to directly accept single phase power, but I'm a little reluctantK > to perform the hack--even though I know people have had good success with- > it.- > I > I know there exist single phase to 3-pase power converters... basicallyeL > it's a 3-phase generator that's powered by single phase power.  I've foundJ > two sites which offer such converters (http://www.phaseconverter.com andI > http://www.majorpower.com/phase ).  The sites only mention their use toi< > power things like 3-phase machine shop equipment and other% > industrial/manufacturing type gear.  > L > Is it safe to use this type of power converter on a somewhat more delicateK > piece of equipment like a VAX 6000?  Has anyone had experience with usinge9 > this type of power converter on their computer systems?n > 	 > Thanks.e > 	 > -brian.v > --H > --- Brian Chase | bdc@world.std.com | http://world.std.com/~bdc/ -----C >        Microsoft's release of Windows 2000 has been delayed untilM5 >        the second quarter of 1901.  -- Chris Franksu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:39:45 -0700a! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comcP Subject: Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG filesD Message-ID: <OFCB245002.A851C4E5-ON88256A37.00666627@foundation.com>  K Before PIPE was implemented in VMS itself, I believe there were a couple of D free implementations that used files to do the job. Looks like those/ customers have one of those packages installed.t   Shanee          ; Iris Green <iris.green@intel.com> on 04/23/2001 05:41:19 AMt  3 Please respond to Iris Green <iris.green@intel.com>)   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comk cc:e  G Subject:  using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOGt       files     	 Hi there,a  K We use the pipe command extensively inside DCL procedures, in the followingt way:' $ pipe sho system | sear sys$input text   K In some of our clusters that cause a DCL$OUTPUT_xxxx.LOG file to be created K upon any pipe command (the xxxx stands for the sub-process ID that the pipe 4 creates). This file contain only the search results.  K We could not find what cause this file to be created, and why it is createdt only on some of our clusters.     
 Any ideas?   Thank in advance-e   Iris Green ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:14:46 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>P Subject: Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files( Message-ID: <9c1v0u$7l3$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  @ Does the same happen when you use SYS$PIPE instead of SYS$INPUT?  
 Hans Vlems  2 Iris Green <iris.green@intel.com> wrote in message$ news:9c17tk$jda@news.or.intel.com... > Hi there,- >oC > We use the pipe command extensively inside DCL procedures, in theP	 following  > way:) > $ pipe sho system | sear sys$input textv >/E > In some of our clusters that cause a DCL$OUTPUT_xxxx.LOG file to be  created H > upon any pipe command (the xxxx stands for the sub-process ID that the pipe6 > creates). This file contain only the search results. >uE > We could not find what cause this file to be created, and why it is  createde > only on some of our clusters.a >t >a > Any ideas? >f > Thank in advance-P >  > Iris Green ;-) >e >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:43:38 +0200l) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>t$ Subject: Re: VMS friendly website???, Message-ID: <3AE4BE2A.4D5EC37D@infopuls.com>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > F > I'd say portability and common code should come ahead of using localM > features. The indexed files may be a nice feature on VMS, but it'd make thei7 > VMS port an oddball and therefore harder to maintain.e > . > OK, that's one on my list. Any other takers? >  > Shanet  ; Portability is important. If their SW is in good shape theys% could replace just one layer for VMS. ? I don't insist in using index files. I made the experience thata< I spend considerable time in searching through my bookmarks.  < Of course the US$ 100.- funding is independent of this index> file thing. But I want to have a real VMS app that is aware of= the VMS file nameing rules and of version numbers (at least).    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 00:09:58 +0100c% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>aM Subject: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analysts conferencek* Message-ID: <3AE4B646.721F4FFC@virgin.net>  B In answer to a question from the floor, which asked about Compaq'sE commitment to Alpha operating platforms given that it had dropped NT,oF Michael Capellas gave an upbeat message about OpenVMS. He seemed  wellF briefed and obviously aware that he needed to send a clear message. HeC said that VMS continued to grow, mentioned the Galaxy architecture, C web enablement strategies etc. He pointed to its leading clusteringaF capabilities and the fact that it was an extremely stable environment.  C Capellas went on to mention that it runs very many mission critical D apps especially in markets such as hospitals and defence and that it> was extremely important in very sensitive areas.  OpenVMS will1 continue to be developed and the market expanded.   E He also addressed their entire O/S strategy in answer to the questionoC and I think the picture presented was coherent.  I have a suspicionTD that the question might have been a plant (it was the last question)D but that's not an uncommon way of putting out an additional message.  C The financial results themselves were in line with Compaq's revised D projections. Biggest problem area is PC sales (consumer and desktop)= which lost $82 million. ISSG (high end Intel servers) remains  profitable however.o  > It's looking more like Compaq are really beginning to look andA understand what VMS is and what it can do. Hopefully the US might ? start seeing VMS ads as we in the UK are now seeing.  They havev; undoubtedly raised the profile outside of the customer basew
 considerably.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:29:45 -0700T! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>EP Subject: RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBKCHAA.tom@kednos.com>s  F Yes, but immediately following his presentation CNBC interviewed AshokE Kumar, who went onto say that they need to increase their value addedqL propostion (note the cliche) in the storage products area and get out of the6 proprietary business.  Lots of quarterbacks out there.   > -----Original Message-----. > From: Alan Greig [mailto:a.greig@virgin.net]& > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 4:10 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComaD > Subject: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analysts > conference >u >cD > In answer to a question from the floor, which asked about Compaq'sG > commitment to Alpha operating platforms given that it had dropped NT, H > Michael Capellas gave an upbeat message about OpenVMS. He seemed  wellH > briefed and obviously aware that he needed to send a clear message. HeE > said that VMS continued to grow, mentioned the Galaxy architecture,sE > web enablement strategies etc. He pointed to its leading clusteringiH > capabilities and the fact that it was an extremely stable environment. >tE > Capellas went on to mention that it runs very many mission critical F > apps especially in markets such as hospitals and defence and that it@ > was extremely important in very sensitive areas.  OpenVMS will3 > continue to be developed and the market expanded.  >0G > He also addressed their entire O/S strategy in answer to the questioniE > and I think the picture presented was coherent.  I have a suspicioniF > that the question might have been a plant (it was the last question)F > but that's not an uncommon way of putting out an additional message. >sE > The financial results themselves were in line with Compaq's revised F > projections. Biggest problem area is PC sales (consumer and desktop)? > which lost $82 million. ISSG (high end Intel servers) remains  > profitable however.5 >M@ > It's looking more like Compaq are really beginning to look andC > understand what VMS is and what it can do. Hopefully the US mighthA > start seeing VMS ads as we in the UK are now seeing.  They haveb= > undoubtedly raised the profile outside of the customer basee > considerably.  >  > -- > Alan Greig >e   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 20:36:53 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) P Subject: RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference3 Message-ID: <vtHwnWg8Fa7m@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  ] In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBKCHAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:3H > Yes, but immediately following his presentation CNBC interviewed AshokG > Kumar, who went onto say that they need to increase their value addedlN > propostion (note the cliche) in the storage products area and get out of the8 > proprietary business.  Lots of quarterbacks out there.  ? Looking at the government sector, I doubt those making purchaserB decisions know who Ashok Kumar is, and certainly they don't listen$ to him.  (Piper Jaffrey, isn't it ?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:51:43 -0700e! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>uP Subject: RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIEEBNCHAA.tom@kednos.com>   K Wasn't thinking so much about customers as the investment community and itsiG influence with the strategic direction set by the board and management.h   > -----Original Message-----B > From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam]& > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:37 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? > Subject: RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financiale > analystsconference >d >c? > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBKCHAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom ! > Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes: J > > Yes, but immediately following his presentation CNBC interviewed AshokI > > Kumar, who went onto say that they need to increase their value addedYA > > propostion (note the cliche) in the storage products area ande > get out of the: > > proprietary business.  Lots of quarterbacks out there. >tA > Looking at the government sector, I doubt those making purchase-D > decisions know who Ashok Kumar is, and certainly they don't listen& > to him.  (Piper Jaffrey, isn't it ?)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:09:53 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>P Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference= Message-ID: <Bn4F6.31949$%_1.9110863@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>h  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:vtHwnWg8Fa7m@eisner.encompasserve.org...0F > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBKCHAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:J > > Yes, but immediately following his presentation CNBC interviewed AshokI > > Kumar, who went onto say that they need to increase their value addedeL > > propostion (note the cliche) in the storage products area and get out of the/: > > proprietary business.  Lots of quarterbacks out there. > A > Looking at the government sector, I doubt those making purchasesD > decisions know who Ashok Kumar is, and certainly they don't listen& > to him.  (Piper Jaffrey, isn't it ?)  G I believe so. I find it interesting that anyone would seriously suggesttK forsaking the high-end, high-margin proprietary business in order to becomeeH yet another Intel box-flogger. Pretty difficult to differentiate in that market, is it not?  D It's a shame that Compaq doesn't break out P&L by product line. SuchJ information would IMHO make Tru64, VMS, and NSK look even more compelling.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:08:15 -0700e! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>oP Subject: RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICECACHAA.tom@kednos.com>U  J I am sure analysts do their own form of P&L breakout, as well as the folksJ at Compaq.Of course, what do you consider a product line?  For example, is Alpha a product line orrI a delivery vehicle for certain product lines?  I suspect that if you takea latter view, youL would see Compaq porting both Unix (hate the name Tru64, it is so amateurish	 sounding),K and VMS to industry standard vehicles.  Long before Compaq acquired Tandem,rJ they were committed to getting out of proprietary hardware.  UnfortunatelyI they picked Mips, which although architecturally superior to alpha didn't-K have the critical mass.  I think many readers of this list confuse VMS with2G Alpha.  Had Digital committed the same resources to VAX as they have tooL Alpha, I think they would be clocking at similar rates as Intel today and asG most of you know, a 1GHz VAX would run circles around a 1GHz alpha.  OfsK course, Intel architecture was obsolete when it was intoduced. Prior, Primee? was the last accumulator architectured introduced and even theywH re-microcoded their product to run as a general register machine. But itK doesn't matter, because the standardization accomplished as a result of thed Intel/Microsoft Federation hasK reduced the cost of computing to levels that I would never have imagined 20g years ago whenF 1 MByte of mmemory for a VAX or a prime was running around $36,000!  IL bought one in 1982 from newly formed EMC for a Prime at half price, $18,000!( I am writing this om a W2k box which hasE dual celerons clocking at 550 MHz, have raid scsi with 18GB IBM divese spinning at 10k withJ 384MB of 8ns memory, it has DVD, killer stereo, high res graphics, and all for about $2300kL not including the monitor (borrowed from a 533au) and I can download tons ofB software that any idiot could install.  So my friends, that is the) challenge.  Do Digital and Tandem providetI sufficient market size to sustain the ongoing investment required to keep. Alpha architectureI competitive.  Many people on this list take a rather superior attitude to  Windoze, andK perhaps rightly so, but smugness is foolishness.  The fact of the matter iseL that the rate of improvement to Windoze software is much greater than VMS, I think they spend $5B a year.L They have the ability to outspend anybody!  So it is simply a matter of time before the curves cross.       > -----Original Message-----; > From: Terry C. Shannon [mailto:terryshannon@mediaone.net] & > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:10 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? > Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial  > analystsconference >  >  >-H > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message/ > news:vtHwnWg8Fa7m@eisner.encompasserve.org... H > > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBKCHAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden > <tom@kednos.com> writes:L > > > Yes, but immediately following his presentation CNBC interviewed AshokK > > > Kumar, who went onto say that they need to increase their value addednC > > > propostion (note the cliche) in the storage products area andV > get out of > thep< > > > proprietary business.  Lots of quarterbacks out there. > >0C > > Looking at the government sector, I doubt those making purchasewF > > decisions know who Ashok Kumar is, and certainly they don't listen( > > to him.  (Piper Jaffrey, isn't it ?) >rI > I believe so. I find it interesting that anyone would seriously suggesthC > forsaking the high-end, high-margin proprietary business in order  > to becomeAJ > yet another Intel box-flogger. Pretty difficult to differentiate in that > market, is it not? >eF > It's a shame that Compaq doesn't break out P&L by product line. SuchL > information would IMHO make Tru64, VMS, and NSK look even more compelling. >C   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:40:00 -0400e% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>aP Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference/ Message-ID: <te9tcmoa2r5gc9@news.supernews.com>a  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBKCHAA.tom@kednos.com...XH > Yes, but immediately following his presentation CNBC interviewed AshokG > Kumar, who went onto say that they need to increase their value addedtJ > propostion (note the cliche) in the storage products area and get out of thee8 > proprietary business.  Lots of quarterbacks out there. >   E Sounds like a typical financial analyst (with emphasis on anal), he'saL telling Compaq to make their storage systems more proprietary and to get out0 of the proprietary business!  Make up your mind!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:15:22 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>P Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference= Message-ID: <u57F6.32310$%_1.9218596@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>h  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICECACHAA.tom@kednos.com...t   > The fact of the matter is L > that the rate of improvement to Windoze software is much greater than VMS, I@ > think they spend $5B a year.I > They have the ability to outspend anybody!  So it is simply a matter ofa time > before the curves cross.  I No doubt. The question is, how long will it take? I haven't a clue, otheroE than the strong suspicion that it'll take a lot longer than MicrosoftjC convinced Wes Melling and the Digital hierarchy that it would take.G  I It would be interesting to compare the inflation-adjusted development and J maturation costs for VMS and MVS with those associated with the much-newer	 Win2K OS.p  I As an aside, I often felt that Windows would trounce the Unix ConfederacyoF due to lower development costs. If there's 13 Unixes, with each vendorI spending upwards of $150M per annum on the care and feeding of what is at<L the end of the day a basically nondifferentiated offering, how will these 13F vendors make out against one vendor spending equivalent resources on a single offering?  L Despite the inevitable consolidation in the market, the Unix Confederacy, or' a portion thereof, continues to thrive.t     >  >s >  > > -----Original Message-----= > > From: Terry C. Shannon [mailto:terryshannon@mediaone.net]e( > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:10 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComoA > > Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial  > > analystsconference > >t > >r > >tJ > > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message1 > > news:vtHwnWg8Fa7m@eisner.encompasserve.org...aJ > > > In article <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIAEBKCHAA.tom@kednos.com>, Tom Linden > > <tom@kednos.com> writes:H > > > > Yes, but immediately following his presentation CNBC interviewed AshokIG > > > > Kumar, who went onto say that they need to increase their valueU addedaE > > > > propostion (note the cliche) in the storage products area and1 > > get out of > > the.> > > > > proprietary business.  Lots of quarterbacks out there. > > >pE > > > Looking at the government sector, I doubt those making purchaseiH > > > decisions know who Ashok Kumar is, and certainly they don't listen* > > > to him.  (Piper Jaffrey, isn't it ?) > >tK > > I believe so. I find it interesting that anyone would seriously suggestoE > > forsaking the high-end, high-margin proprietary business in order 
 > > to becometL > > yet another Intel box-flogger. Pretty difficult to differentiate in that > > market, is it not? > >eH > > It's a shame that Compaq doesn't break out P&L by product line. SuchB > > information would IMHO make Tru64, VMS, and NSK look even more compelling.u > >: >:   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 20:40:19 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog). Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation, Message-ID: <9c23vj$g9a@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  t In article <gkZE6.31794$%_1.8894245@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >t3 >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message  >>7 >> And VMS would be such an ideal platform for SAP too.  >> >eM >As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious to this fact, but F >those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would never beH >amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and affordablyJ >do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQ would go ahead >and do it.a  G Not necessarily.  It would not suprise me if Digital and/or Compaq haveeK manged to piss off the wrong people at SAP and are now being given the colduJ shoulder.  At the very least, since there is a pretty hefty overlap now inL Oracle and SAP's target markets, one can imagine that the folks at SAP have P been none too pleased with the extent of Digital/Compaq's sucking up to Oracle.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech bJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:47:03 GMTh4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation= Message-ID: <bx0F6.31850$%_1.8959728@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>M  ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in messages& news:9c23vj$g9a@gap.cco.caltech.edu...I > In article <gkZE6.31794$%_1.8894245@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.I, Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > >e5 > >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message  > >>9 > >> And VMS would be such an ideal platform for SAP too.a > >> > >hK > >As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious to this fact,e butPH > >those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would never beJ > >amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and affordablyL > >do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQ would go ahead
 > >and do it.  >hI > Not necessarily.  It would not suprise me if Digital and/or Compaq havebH > manged to piss off the wrong people at SAP and are now being given the cold > shoulder.-  K There was talk of VMS and SAP back as early as 1993-4, but it went nowhere.o& Hence it is a "preexisting condition."  A > At the very least, since there is a pretty hefty overlap now in H > Oracle and SAP's target markets, one can imagine that the folks at SAP haveI > been none too pleased with the extent of Digital/Compaq's sucking up tos Oracle.h >n  H Indeed. Perhaps as displeased as the good folks in Redmond must be these	 days! ;-}s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:06:02 -0400h From: William_Bochnik@acml.com. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation> Message-ID: <OFF4F9D1A0.6437FC65-ON85256A37.00793804@acml.com>  A Went nowhere?  My old company was running SAP on VMS circa 1992/3aA ish, and then dumped it for SAP on DUnix when they got the "hint"eA that new releases came out on UNIX first, then other os's such as  VMS.        r                                                                                                                   r                     "Terry C.                                                                                     r                     Shannon"                         To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                                   r                     <terryshannon@med                cc:                                                          r                     iaone.net>               Subject:     Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation                   r                                                                                                                   r                     04/23/2001 04:47                                                                              r                     PM                                                                                            r                                                                                                                   r                                                                                                                           ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message & news:9c23vj$g9a@gap.cco.caltech.edu...? > In article <gkZE6.31794$%_1.8894245@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,r	 "Terry C.S, Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > 5 > >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in messageb > >>9 > >> And VMS would be such an ideal platform for SAP too.- > >> > >-@ > >As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious to
 this fact, but ? > >those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port wouldp never be? > >amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily anda
 affordably= > >do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQo would go ahead
 > >and do it.s > = > Not necessarily.  It would not suprise me if Digital and/orw Compaq haveu> > manged to piss off the wrong people at SAP and are now being	 given thep cold > shoulder.i  = There was talk of VMS and SAP back as early as 1993-4, but itr
 went nowhere.t& Hence it is a "preexisting condition."  A > At the very least, since there is a pretty hefty overlap now innA > Oracle and SAP's target markets, one can imagine that the folksi at SAP have; > been none too pleased with the extent of Digital/Compaq's 
 sucking up to4 Oracle.  >m  ? Indeed. Perhaps as displeased as the good folks in Redmond musti be these	 days! ;-}c            F ______________________________________________________________________  : The information contained in this transmission may contain< privileged and confidential information and is intended only< for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the< intended recipient,  or an employee or agent responsible for? delivering this message to the intended recipient,  any review,S@ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication> is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,A please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy # all copies of the original message.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:11:54 -0400y From: William_Bochnik@acml.com. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation> Message-ID: <OFAE0258AA.BFE2FCEE-ON85256A37.0079E602@acml.com>  ) Ah, in that case I agree whole heartedly.r        r                                                                                                                   r                     "Terry C.                                                                                     r                     Shannon"                         To:  William J Bochnik/New York/ACMC@Alliance Capital        r                     <terryshannon@med                cc:                                                          r                     iaone.net>               Subject:     Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation                   r                                                                                                                   r                     04/23/2001 06:10                                                                              r                     PM                                                                                            r                                                                                                                   r                                                                                                                           7 I was referring to the continued support of SAP on VMS.    ----- Original Message -----  From: <William_Bochnik@acml.com>2 To: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> Cc: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>h$ Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 6:06 PM. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation     >h< > Went nowhere?  My old company was running SAP on VMS circa 1992/3< > ish, and then dumped it for SAP on DUnix when they got the "hint"@ > that new releases came out on UNIX first, then other os's such as > VMS. >m >i >i >o >q >                     "Terry C. : >                     Shannon"                         To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com : >                     <terryshannon@med                cc:? >                     iaone.net>               Subject:     Re:  VMS Loyalist dies from starvation >y& >                     04/23/2001 04:47 >                     PM >t >v >, >u >o > A > "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in messagei( > news:9c23vj$g9a@gap.cco.caltech.edu...A > > In article <gkZE6.31794$%_1.8894245@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,t > "Terry C.g. > Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > >e7 > > >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in messaged > > >>; > > >> And VMS would be such an ideal platform for SAP too.n > > >> > > > ? > > >As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely obliviousa to > this fact, > buteA > > >those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would 
 > never beA > > >amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and  > affordably? > > >do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQc > would go ahead > > >and do it.n > >n? > > Not necessarily.  It would not suprise me if Digital and/orm
 > Compaq have @ > > manged to piss off the wrong people at SAP and are now being > given then > cold
 > > shoulder.n >s? > There was talk of VMS and SAP back as early as 1993-4, but it  > went nowhere.r( > Hence it is a "preexisting condition." > @ > > At the very least, since there is a pretty hefty overlap now in= > > Oracle and SAP's target markets, one can imagine that the  folksk > at SAP > have= > > been none too pleased with the extent of Digital/Compaq'si > sucking up to 	 > Oracle.8 > >f >sA > Indeed. Perhaps as displeased as the good folks in Redmond must 
 > be these > days! ;-}n >h >o >o >b >o >  >mF ______________________________________________________________________   > < > The information contained in this transmission may contain> > privileged and confidential information and is intended only> > for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the> > intended recipient,  or an employee or agent responsible forA > delivering this message to the intended recipient,  any review,h4 > dissemination, distribution or duplication of this
 communicationh@ > is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,; > please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail ande destroyt% > all copies of the original message.  >s            F ______________________________________________________________________  : The information contained in this transmission may contain< privileged and confidential information and is intended only< for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the< intended recipient,  or an employee or agent responsible for? delivering this message to the intended recipient,  any review,O@ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication> is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,A please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroyi# all copies of the original message.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 19:54:25 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation, Message-ID: <3AE4C0AE.97029E09@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:kN > As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious to this fact, butG > those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would never belI > amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and affordablyrK > do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQ would go aheade > and do it.  N Now that Compaq has shown at the very least that they are not out to kill VMS,M and perhaps even promote it, how long must Compaq move in the right direction L before vendors start to beleive that the positive moves are more than a blipH and are a long term trend towards getting VMS back into respectability ?  M I other words, how long must Compaq wait before it approaches vendors such astN SAP and tell them "we told you we'd bring VMS back to life, and you should now see we are serious about it" ?   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Apr 2001 19:55:26 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)t* Subject: Re: What is better?? VMS or Unix?3 Message-ID: <NVbvauwfqFwf@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  b In article <003101c0cbf3$a9447020$ec036e64@nepco.com.jo>, abdullah <abdullah@nepco.com.jo> writes:. > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  ' Please do not send MIME to comp.os.vms.r   > Hi allL > My comanpy is a big company in Jordan, we have 1 DEC machine (7610), one = > Alpha (2000) and 2 VAX 8530; > @ > But to move to new technologies, we need to study it carefullyH > so i like some one to tell is it better to stay in VMS or to move to =& > other OS, and what is the beneifits?  ? Although I am a VMS advocate, I am surprised that your question 9 mentions "some other OS", but your title mentions "Unix".L  B In many cases Unix definitely is a worse choice that OS/400 or MVS? or even MacOS (different cases for each).  If you are currentlyg> running on VMS and need some advise from this group, you might< be best off to mention what you find inconvenient about VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:14:21 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r6 Subject: Re: WIS... RIP???  -- NO! - non-standard port' Message-ID: <3AE4E17D.BEB16021@fsi.net>    "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:  >  > Hi David,e > P > Actually, my first contact with this site was from behind a corporate firewall, > (we were tired of dialing out to DSNLink). > X > Can you educate me a little regarding the use of a non-standard TCP/IP port?  Is thereL > any risk to using such a port, either to my workstation, or to my company?  E The problem is that some firewalls, especially those which are lockednB down rather tight for security reasons, block all ports except theA "standard" ports for any given protocol. So, when a URL says, fore example,  - http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.htmla  E ..., your browser fails to connect and just times out saying that thes server failed to respond.    -- - David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Apr 2001 16:48:18 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell)s  Subject: Re: [NOISE] gum or gun?. Message-ID: <MmxgcPgr1lmB@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  p In article <009FAF49.30DE5C1F@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:p > In article <79HSKp2RQ0cZ@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) writes: >>O >>My brother is a big beatles fan.  While I am sure there have been hundreds ofmM >>baby boys named after one of the beatles, I sincerely doubt there have been L >>many cases of a daughter named after a beatle song.  Believe it or not, my+ >>niece's name is Penny Lane Sewell.  :-)  r > ) > Good thing he wasn't a Frank Zappa fan.m >     N True.  That would have been bad.  Look at what Zappa did to his own kids, name wise.s   -- ?O =============================================================================== M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxu: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)cO ===============================================================================.B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:45:08 +1000>/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>t9 Subject: Re: [PERSO] ingliche rereading no more requestedt2 Message-ID: <h_3F6.7015$EQ3.264317@ozemail.com.au>  . "Didier Morandi" <DMo@ims.ch> wrote in message  news:3AE413A8.A4F389C5@ims.ch...5 > Please STOP sending mail, the job is done (nearly).n5 > Thank you very much for being so many to volunteer.o >e > D.I Obviously VMS is so stable that system managers have time to be freelanceo help proofreaders :) Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:08:29 -0400 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> , Subject: Re: [Q] 1983? DECUS BANNER program?$ Message-ID: <3ae46f93$1@news.si.com>  F >A looong time ago, there was a DECUS BANNER program witch wrote burst	 page-liketI >banners to be produced from a text entered to the $ banner <text> promptc  L I have one that prints in gothic letters (Olde English).  It was linked lastB under VMS V3.x in 1982 and still runs on our V7.2 VAXes.  Want it? --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com*A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com-= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:08:34 -0000x- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)v= Subject: Re: [Q] reduce C + embedded SQL executable file size4/ Message-ID: <te96ei1n46281e@news.supernews.com>"  / Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch (Didier Morandi) wrote inn <3AE19486.AF9F00AF@ims.ch>:   = >My current Customer has some C code with embedded SQL in it.o >fF >Each and every source, with two or three SQL statements, is more thanH >11,000 blocks bug \g\u\b big once compiled/linked (OpenVMS 7.2-1 Alpha,5 >DEC C V6.0-001 link A11-39, SQL V7.0-6, Rdb V7.0.6).A >n >Any idea to shrink this a bit?s >   >The make file is the following: >  >GD2079> ty MAKE.COM	 >$ dbg=""c( >$ if P1 .eqs. "DEBUG" then dbg="/debug"% >$ sqlmod la_ausgleichend_sql 'dbg' -e >         /ansi_parameters -J >         /c_prototypes=DISK$USER:[MOHREN_J.HILFSPROGRAMME.LA_AUSGLEICHEND >         ] - /lowercase - r >         /rollback_on_exit -a& >         /warning dir$sql:[cfg]decali >$!c >$ cc la_ausgleichend 'dbg' -n  >         /check=uninitialized - >         /define=(VMS,DEBUG) -w >         /name=as_is -t >         /nodefine=(ULTRIX) - >         /extern=strict -H >         /include=DISK$USER:[MOHREN_J.HILFSPROGRAMME.LA_AUSGLEICHEND] -) >         /opti=(inline=speed,tune=ev5) -a >         /pref=all -n >         /nostand -J >         /warn=(enable=(all,check),warnings=implicitfunc,noinformationals >         )  >$! < >$ link 'dbg' la_ausgleichend.obj,la_ausgleichend_sql.obj, -# >       sys$library:sql$user70 /LIB4 >CI >I don't know anything about all this, but the "tune=ev5" smells no good.n6 >Any optimisational help would be greatly appreciated.  J Is there a sharable image version of sql$user70?  Statically linking with ? the database runtime is gonna make your image files pretty fat.    ws   --  1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>    Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.228 ************************