1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 24 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 229       Contents:, Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$  Adaptec controllers and DS10  Re: Adaptec controllers and DS10  Re: Adaptec controllers and DS10  Re: Adaptec controllers and DS10  Re: Adaptec controllers and DS10 Re: Alpha 400 on E-bay" Re: Another Press Release - Heroix" Re: Another Press Release - Heroix" Re: Another Press Release - Heroix" Re: Another Press Release - Heroix Re: APAC update. Re: APAC update. Re: APAC update.: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news./ Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM? / Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM? / Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM? / Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM? / Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM? & Re: creprc with commandline parameters& Re: creprc with commandline parameters& Re: creprc with commandline parameters& Re: creprc with commandline parameters& Re: creprc with commandline parameters  Current versions of VMS software$ Re: Current versions of VMS software$ Re: Current versions of VMS software# HELP: CPUSPINWAIT crash on SCS lock  IBM bought Informix 2 Re: IBM MQ V2.2 stops after VMS721_RMS-V0100 patch Re: Info-VAX filtering) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG ) Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG  Re: OpenVMS Advertising / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: OpenVMS V7.3 Ships Re: OpenVMS V7.3 Ships Re: OpenVMS V7.3 Ships Re: OpenVMS V7.3 Ships Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"  Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"  Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace" ! Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!  Pathworks for VMS 5.52 Re: Pathworks for VMS 5.52 Pathworks for VMS 5.526 pathworks problem how do I start the netlogon service?: Re: pathworks problem how do I start the netlogon service?: Re: pathworks problem how do I start the netlogon service?2 Re: R.I.P. FTP.WKU.EDU.  Long live FTP.PROCESS.COM Re: SAS on VMS vs Windoze 2000 Re: SAS on VMS vs Windoze 2000= Re: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of print = Re: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of print 7 Speaking of Multias (was: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version) B Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areaB Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areaB Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areaB Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areaB Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areaB Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areaB Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areaB Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areaG Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files G Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files G Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files H Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analysts conferenceG Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation % Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation , Where is the REAL Cool OpenVMS Merchandise ?0 Re: Where is the REAL Cool OpenVMS Merchandise ?0 Re: Where is the REAL Cool OpenVMS Merchandise ?0 Re: Where is the REAL Cool OpenVMS Merchandise ? [Change topic] SAP on VMS  Re: [Change topic] SAP on VMS  Re: [Change topic] SAP on VMS  Re: [Change topic] SAP on VMS 0 Re: [PERSO] ingliche rereading no more requested< [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)@ Re: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)@ RE: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)@ Re: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)@ Re: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)@ Re: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)$ Re: [Q] Mozilla does not like proxy?4 Re: [Q] reduce C + embedded SQL executable file size! [Q] Restart OPA0: DECWindows CDE? % RE: [Q] Restart OPA0: DECWindows CDE?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:49:37 +0100 + From: "shielm00" <Mike_Shield-1@sbphrd.com> 5 Subject: Re: 1GHz Alpha EV68CB Microprocessor Exposed 1 Message-ID: <9c3el5$1c$1@phunn2.um.us.sbphrd.com>   ; "Yousuf Khan" <ykhan@nospam.home.com.spam> wrote in message 6 news:0D4F6.94378$61.19461939@news4.rdc1.on.home.com...; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ) > news:874rvfe7yd.fsf@prep.synonet.com... , > > davidsen@tmr.com (bill davidsen) writes: > > H > > >   If I may extend your question, does anyone have figures based onI > > > some solid source ralated to how many Alphas run Tru64 vs. Linux? I J > > > can't imagine running Tru64 personally unless I had an existing app,I > > > but that's not because I know anything bad about Tru64, just that I H > > > know Linux and I was not impressed by OSF-1 "back when" I used it. > > G > > The fianance market people seem to like it. Not sure if it T64 they J > > like, or the speed of the Alpha. There also seem to be a fair few used@ > > here in govt depts running orible7 and 8, or security stuff. > F > I don't see too much interest from the likes of Veritas software for storage I > management software tools or from any of the storage array network gear E > makers for this marketplace. You would think if an OS was running a  databaseH > like Oracle that you would want to get the highest performance/highestG > capacity/fault tolerant SAN stuff for it, unless the databases aren't  really > big stuff. >  >         Yousuf Khan   I That might be because one of the world's largest San/storage vendors also  happens to make Alpha's. !3 The same storage seems to work well on E10k's also.   L And Thanks Roy, for setting the record straight on Sanger. I doubt they look# much at VMS, but that might change.    Mike Shield " Compaq SMO GSK ( for one more day) --C The opinions expressed in this communication are my own, and do not ) necessarily reflect those of my employer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:07:10 -0600 4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>& Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$2 Message-ID: <jMfF6.720$Vq1.142081@news.uswest.net>  D You have a couple of misconceptions about M$.  First, M$ has supportL contracts that include _ALL_ their products with no-cost upgrades during theK life of the contract.  Second, M$ has finally figured out that people don't I want a seperate server for each application, dropping that recommendation K with NT4 SP5; unfortunately not all third-party Application Developers have H figured this out.  I run on two NT Servers and a single Alpha VMS systemL what used to take a 3 VAXen cluster, an NT Server, and 3 Win9x systems.  AllI three servers get rebooted about every other month due to power outages - K UPS's can only last so long.  Both NT Servers perform multiple functions in I our network.  The real issue isn't which system is better than the other, E but which system is the best system for the task at hand.  I'd rather J configure the MS-DNS/WINS/DHCP mess any day over the VMS's equivalent, for@ example.  Another area that MS excels at is raw file i/o.  VMS'sJ signficantly more sophisticated RMS system is simply no match for the fileJ i/o performance in NT.  RMS does have major advantages in that it providesG indexed files without additional software.  Once again, pick the system  based on your requirements.   J As for backwards compatibility in the MS operating systems, you can't haveL full backwards compatibility with MS-DOS and have OS stability and security,L MS has done extremely well in this area.  Windows 2000 SP1 can even load andK run applications that check specifically for Windows 98 (there is a support J file on the Windows 2000 CD that lies to the program).  Once again, MS hasG figured out that we can't afford to constantly upgrade our applications L everytime there is an OS upgrade.  Before you claim that MS-Windows isn't asK stable as VMS or some Unix variants, count the number of different hardware L manufacturers supporting VMS vs. the number supporting Windows.  It is much,F much easier to build a stable system when you control the hardware andL software.  This is why the "high-end" MS-Data Center 2000 only ships as part of a hardware/software package.   E As a developer, I have discovered that it is relatively easy to write L applications that perform properly on any 32-bit Windows platform - you justL have to RTFM (the Software Developer's Kit) to verify if the OS calls you'reG making will work on your target platforms and also ensure you are using J correctly formed parameters.  Neither of these requirements requires a PhDK to do, just attention to detail.  By the way, the SDK for Windows is a free J download and also ships with all the MS development tools.  Yes, VMS ships1 with the complete programmer's interface as well.    --
 Mike Ober.  2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message; news:5.0.2.1.2.20010423213816.00b15ec8@ntbsod.psccos.com... , > At 09:24 PM 4/23/2001, John Vottero wrote:5 > >"Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message > > >news:5.0.2.1.2.20010423091200.00b137f8@ntbsod.psccos.com...I > > > I have to disagree here, about some of the allegations made WRT the  PDP-11I > > > operating systems.   I worked in the Customer Support Center in the  early K > > > 1980's supporting mostly RSX.  I'll guarantee you that if we had made  eachK > > > version incompatible with previous versions for as much as 20% of our F > > > customers' applications, we would have been lynched on the spot. > > > I > > > The other issue is still cost.  You never paid for 4.0x releases of  RT-11 H > > > or any other product while it was owned by DEC, as long as you had support L > > > contracts.  Sure, you had to if you didn't have a contract, but that's > >part L > > > of the game.  With M$, you pay no matter how much money you've already > >paid  > > > to M$ in the past. > > >  > > = > >I hate to take Microsoft's side but I can't let this pass.  > > H > >You never pay for releases as long as you have a support contract?  I don't K > >know about you but I have to PAY for my support contracts!  Doesn't that K > >count as paying for the releases?  I've never paid to download a Windows  NTH > >Service Pack, where can I download OpenVMS patches for free?  You can search( > >Microsoft's known problem database at$ http://search.support.microsoft.com/ > >what's the URL for DSNLink? > K > Apples to oranges, IMHO.  Yes, you have to pay for your support contract.  But L > you DO get new releases at no additional cost.  The same can't be said forI > Microsoft products.  You pay, and you pay again.  At least at one time,  you I > could download patches free from Digital/Compaq, I don't know if that's  still - > the same (I assume it is, maybe I'm wrong).  > K > As for DSNlink versus the Microsoft known problem database, well, I don't L > know what to say, save for the idea that I've seldom seen somebody even inK > this forum not get an answer to a question they pose on a problem.  Maybe  not ' > as fancy, but functional nonetheless.  > L > But at any rate, I'll stick to my guns.  It's expensive to upgrade your MSK > machines, particularly if you buy into their idea that using 250 machines  toK > run a site is cheaper and more preferable than, say, a 3-node VMScluster. L > Pay the per-system upgrade costs on those machines, and compare it to yourK > support contract from CPQ.  Oh, and don't forget: you're not only paying, A > say, $150 per box for the OS, but another $200-$500 per for the  applicationsK > you may have to upgrade because they no longer function without upgrades. K > Oh, yeah, don't forget the labor costs to upgrade those machines, either. . > THAT is an altogether expensive proposition! > G > True, if you're talking a single PC versus an Alpha, then VMS is more 	 expensive L > to maintain.  But that's not what we're (or at least, I am) talking about.J > I'm talking about corporate deployments in the IT setting.  The per-seat TCO 2 > of MS boxes is REALLY high, given that scenario. >  >  > ------K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ K > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | K > | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  | K > | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" | K > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:56:47 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) & Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$/ Message-ID: <teb51fr7maeh52@news.supernews.com>   5 mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam (Michael D. Ober) wrote in ( <jMfF6.720$Vq1.142081@news.uswest.net>:   E >You have a couple of misconceptions about M$.  First, M$ has support I >contracts that include _ALL_ their products with no-cost upgrades during   
 -- snip --  * Looks like Microsoft has cloned Andrew ;-)   ws   --  1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>    Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:27:24 -0400 % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> & Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$/ Message-ID: <teb6qv1i7q1623@news.supernews.com>   ? "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> wrote in message , news:jMfF6.720$Vq1.142081@news.uswest.net...F > You have a couple of misconceptions about M$.  First, M$ has supportJ > contracts that include _ALL_ their products with no-cost upgrades during the G > life of the contract.  Second, M$ has finally figured out that people  don't K > want a seperate server for each application, dropping that recommendation H > with NT4 SP5; unfortunately not all third-party Application Developers haveJ > figured this out.  I run on two NT Servers and a single Alpha VMS systemI > what used to take a 3 VAXen cluster, an NT Server, and 3 Win9x systems.  All K > three servers get rebooted about every other month due to power outages - J > UPS's can only last so long.  Both NT Servers perform multiple functions inK > our network.  The real issue isn't which system is better than the other, G > but which system is the best system for the task at hand.  I'd rather L > configure the MS-DNS/WINS/DHCP mess any day over the VMS's equivalent, forB > example.  Another area that MS excels at is raw file i/o.  VMS'sL > signficantly more sophisticated RMS system is simply no match for the fileL > i/o performance in NT.  RMS does have major advantages in that it providesI > indexed files without additional software.  Once again, pick the system  > based on your requirements.  >    I can't let this pass either.   E You may think that NT excels at raw file I/O but I prefer that writes J actually write.  I was once working on a document in MS Word.  I saved theI document and exited from Word.  Saving the document must have been really J quick, I don't remember.  What I do remember is that a few minutes later aH dialog box popped up which said something like: "Sorry but that file youL saved a while ago couldn't be flushed to disk because of network problems.".F What a crock!  When I picked "Save" I expected the file to actually beK saved!  Or, at least when I shutdown Word it should have flushed everything J to disk and mentioned any problems.  At least that would have given me the$ chance to save the document locally.  K So yes, NT has better raw I/O but only for data that doesn't really need toe% be saved.  I don't have much of that.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:55:04 +0100n+ From: Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk> % Subject: Adaptec controllers and DS10e8 Message-ID: <kt0betkvis1ih5gu61pgquevptacrllc6a@4ax.com>   Hi,h  F Just had my DS10 delivered, and although it has an 18GB disk and a DAT2 drive, we seem to have missed the SCSI controller.> I'm using it as a workstation, and my old 255/233 came with anF embedded SCSI controller and when the rseller didn't query the lack ofA SCSI I assumed there would be an embedded controller in the DS10.o  E Its a refurbished system, and I'm awaiting a quote on the Compaq SCSIoD controller for this. Its likely to be expensive, so I wondered if an* Adaptec controller will work in the DS10??B It has the 68-pin connector on the disk. The tape is 50 way, but I have an adapter for that.c  % I'll be running VMS on it by the way.w   Ray.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:53:06 +0100s- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>o) Subject: Re: Adaptec controllers and DS10e) Message-ID: <3AE59351.85ACA7BF@bbc.co.uk>    Ray Swadling wrote:B   > Hi,  >pH > Just had my DS10 delivered, and although it has an 18GB disk and a DAT4 > drive, we seem to have missed the SCSI controller.@ > I'm using it as a workstation, and my old 255/233 came with anH > embedded SCSI controller and when the rseller didn't query the lack ofC > SCSI I assumed there would be an embedded controller in the DS10.r >nG > Its a refurbished system, and I'm awaiting a quote on the Compaq SCSI F > controller for this. Its likely to be expensive, so I wondered if an, > Adaptec controller will work in the DS10??D > It has the 68-pin connector on the disk. The tape is 50 way, but I > have an adapter for that.M >.  G By chance, I have just finished ordering a DS10, from one of my quotes:r  0 1 1 channel Wide Ultra-2 Adapter 198.00 198.00* 1 PCI to UltraSCSI Adapter 239.00 239.00  8 (presumably one is for disks and the other for the DLT).  . From another quote, from a different supplier:  8 KZPBA-CA PCI to UltraSCSI Adapter UWSE 1 232.27 232.27> CQB000117 Compaq 3X-BN51A-SA DS10 SCSI CBL Kit 1 37.78 37.78  F DTE000125 Compaq 3X-KZPCA-AA SG Ch WUltra2 ADP 1 191.69 191.69 33 In Stocka> BN21K-02 2.0M Cable, SCSI-3 "P" 1S/1R 1 83.95 83.95 5-7 Days  - You can look up the DS10 supported options ats  D http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/options/asds10/asds10_options.html  6 and in either the quickspecs or the product profile at  1 http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/ds10/index.htmlD  J How much is your time worth messing with an unsupported widget on VMS when a supported ' one will cost a couple of hundred quid?t   regardsS       >s' > I'll be running VMS on it by the way., >t  
 Good. Me too.-   >i > Ray.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:19:17 +0100f+ From: Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk>s) Subject: Re: Adaptec controllers and DS10t8 Message-ID: <b46betcb21gbf1mkvm4idksmjvu6ormmbk@4ax.com>   Thanks Tim,t  E I'm sort of still programmed to expect a LARGE markup on the adapterseC for DEC kit.....At that sort of figure I'm not going to mess aroundo with unsupported gear.  F Its just that I'm spending my own money and it makes me focus on costs7 a bit more than when I'm speccing systems for a client.    Ray.    1 On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:53:06 +0100, Tim Llewellynt  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:   >  >r >Ray Swadling wrote: >S >> Hi, >>I >> Just had my DS10 delivered, and although it has an 18GB disk and a DAT 5 >> drive, we seem to have missed the SCSI controller. A >> I'm using it as a workstation, and my old 255/233 came with an I >> embedded SCSI controller and when the rseller didn't query the lack ofsD >> SCSI I assumed there would be an embedded controller in the DS10. >>H >> Its a refurbished system, and I'm awaiting a quote on the Compaq SCSIG >> controller for this. Its likely to be expensive, so I wondered if ang- >> Adaptec controller will work in the DS10??iE >> It has the 68-pin connector on the disk. The tape is 50 way, but Ie >> have an adapter for that. >> > H >By chance, I have just finished ordering a DS10, from one of my quotes: >E1 >1 1 channel Wide Ultra-2 Adapter 198.00 198.00-+ >1 PCI to UltraSCSI Adapter 239.00 239.00  >19 >(presumably one is for disks and the other for the DLT).m > / >From another quote, from a different supplier:o > 9 >KZPBA-CA PCI to UltraSCSI Adapter UWSE 1 232.27 232.27u? >CQB000117 Compaq 3X-BN51A-SA DS10 SCSI CBL Kit 1 37.78 37.784 >9G >DTE000125 Compaq 3X-KZPCA-AA SG Ch WUltra2 ADP 1 191.69 191.69 33 In. >Stock? >BN21K-02 2.0M Cable, SCSI-3 "P" 1S/1R 1 83.95 83.95 5-7 Days  > . >You can look up the DS10 supported options at > E >http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/options/asds10/asds10_options.html  > 7 >and in either the quickspecs or the product profile atv >L2 >http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/ds10/index.html >uK >How much is your time worth messing with an unsupported widget on VMS whend >a supported( >one will cost a couple of hundred quid? >i >regards >S >  >c >>( >> I'll be running VMS on it by the way. >> >p >Good. Me too. >  >> >> Ray.t   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 15:28:16 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)) Subject: Re: Adaptec controllers and DS10o, Message-ID: <9c462g$epq@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  f In article <kt0betkvis1ih5gu61pgquevptacrllc6a@4ax.com>, Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk> writes: >aG >Just had my DS10 delivered, and although it has an 18GB disk and a DATa3 >drive, we seem to have missed the SCSI controller.e? >I'm using it as a workstation, and my old 255/233 came with antG >embedded SCSI controller and when the rseller didn't query the lack offB >SCSI I assumed there would be an embedded controller in the DS10.  5 There is, but it's ATA 33, and it's slow as molasses.o   >sF >Its a refurbished system, and I'm awaiting a quote on the Compaq SCSIE >controller for this. Its likely to be expensive, so I wondered if an + >Adaptec controller will work in the DS10??rC >It has the 68-pin connector on the disk. The tape is 50 way, but Im >have an adapter for that.  @ You really, really, really, need to visit:   www.intraserver.comH (I've not heard of a recent Adaptec controller that's supported on VMS.)   >a& >I'll be running VMS on it by the way. >E  D And their drivers ship with the OS.  At least partly because compaq < rebadges their controllers, marks them up, and resells them.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech M   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:57:52 +0100c- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>i) Subject: Re: Adaptec controllers and DS10t) Message-ID: <3AE5A280.880C6597@bbc.co.uk>s   Ray Swadling wrote:S  
 > Thanks Tim,l >lG > I'm sort of still programmed to expect a LARGE markup on the adaptersWE > for DEC kit.....At that sort of figure I'm not going to mess aroundd > with unsupported gear. > H > Its just that I'm spending my own money and it makes me focus on costs9 > a bit more than when I'm speccing systems for a client.n >e > Ray. >u  F  Sure Ray, appreciated. I thought twice about quoting the prices but I% thought you'd be pleasantly suprised.   D Somethings have changed for the better, for example base VMS licenceK plus a few users isn't a significant fraction of the hardware cost anymore,y2 and the hardware is not by any means unreasonable.  E I'm thinking hard about an Islandco hobbiest system. However, reurbedi( DS10's do seem to be becoming available.  H Tim, who'll be getting his hands on his first "new" alpha since 1997 and) a couple of Alphaserver 1000A's soon :-).b   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukp  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of0 MedAS or the BBC.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:34:22 -0400a+ From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>r Subject: Re: Alpha 400 on E-bayl# Message-ID: <sae556d3.095@aaas.org>a  J This reminds me of the Tom Green skit where he followed a pizza delivery =, guy around and tried to sell pizza for less.  G I should email all the bidders on this auction and be like "I have an =o, AS2100 that is the same specs you can HAVE!"  * eBay - the Internet's largest garage sale.  J >>> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 04/23/2001 10:24:28 PM >>>* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >=20 > For you to knowy >=20H > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1231458994=20  E If he doesn't get a bid, maybe he'll repost it with a more reasonable  opening bid.   --=20r David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/=20r  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:" http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/=20  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:34:32 +0100d% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n+ Subject: Re: Another Press Release - Heroixp8 Message-ID: <eshaets1k1sq7qsd3sm7j5qsrqidju86le@4ax.com>  3 On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:16:42 -0400, "Sue Skonetski" # <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote:u   > J >Paul Roxan, MD of Heroix EMEA, says "Despite the market's general move toJ >Open Systems, we feel that Compaq's OpenVMS operating system remains veryG >important to major corporations and we fully support it as part of our L >product portfolio."  Paul continues "Heroix is seeing growth in the OpenVMSJ >market in recent months and in 2000 our OpenVMS business grew by 33%.  We; >expect this trend to continue for the foreseeable future."o  C We're evaluating implementing Robomon across VMS, HP-UX and NT/2000 E platforms at the moment and there is no doubt that Heroix remain veryoD pro VMS. One of their marketing managers is ex Sun and was amazed toD discover just how entrenched VMS still is and how much its customers love it.  7 It's not marketing fluff. Heroix are serious about VMS.o   >  >k
 >Features:J >RoboMon includes comprehensive pre-defined sensors called Solution Rules,K >which are controlled through the Motif GUI interface. These rules detect aeJ >wide variety of common OpenVMS operational and performance problems. TheyK >are specifically designed to be self-configuring, so that RoboMon is fully I >functional "out-of-the-box". Once installed, the product is both readily L >tailorable and extensible, so that site-specific requirements can easily beK >accommodated, resulting in a comprehensive ability to perform "lights-out" > >operations, which is particularly crucial to global business. >h >f >  >Customer Experience:d >tJ >A major user of OpenVMS systems is the London Clearing House and they hadH >found from previous experience that RoboMon for OpenVMS can proactivelyM >manage OpenVMS system resources leading to improved performance efficiencies M >and continual uptime.  Tony Seels, Technical Analyst for the London Clearing H >House, said "From a system management point of view, downtime is not anJ >option for us.  RoboMon for OpenVMS guarantees that this doesn't happen." >r >i >o >Compaq Quote: >eI >Rich Marcello, Vice President of Compaq's OpenVMS Group, said "Compaq is L >pleased to see that Heroix is making their very successful RoboMon solutionE >available on Compaq's newest version of OpenVMS which should provide K >customers with a maximum level of performance without the major concern ofn >system failure."  >  >  >pJ >Andrew Crisp, VP of Strategic Alliances at Heroix, said "This new releaseA >reinforces the commitment Heroix has to this platform and to thehI >relationship with Compaq.  Many of the enhancements have come about as a E >result of our strong links with the Compaq Disaster Tolerant Cluster H >Services team.  We see continuing demand for OpenVMS solutions from ourM >customers and prospects globally and we share with Compaq their optimism for H >OpenVMS as the platform of choice for stable, reliable mission critical
 >systems." >  >- >-
 >About Heroix-H >Heroix delivers award winning software products that help organisationsL >guarantee the availability and performance of their multiplatform eBusinessG >infrastructure and applications.  More than 1,000 customers in over 40tJ >countries rely on the company's integrated management software to monitorH >and manage Windows NT, Windows 2000, Unix, Linux, and OpenVMST systems.H >Heroix products detect problems, report and graph performance data, andI >centrally monitor wide-ranging technologies such as Microsoft Exchange,rK >IIS, SQL Server, Citrix, Oracle, Cisco, Compaq Insight Manager, service F >level agreements, and more.  Founded in 1975, Heroix is an authorisedL >Microsoft Gold Certified Partner, with US headquarters in Newton, Mass. andK >EMEA headquarters in Welwyn Garden City, U.K. For more information, pleaser >visit www.heroix.com. >  >L >hC >Heroix and RoboMon are trademarks of Heroix Corporation. All othere4 >trademarks are property of their respective owners. >g >s >a >  >v >e   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:28:47 GMTs4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>+ Subject: Re: Another Press Release - Heroix-= Message-ID: <3keF6.33351$%_1.9388014@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>r  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:eshaets1k1sq7qsd3sm7j5qsrqidju86le@4ax.com...5 > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:16:42 -0400, "Sue Skonetski"w% > <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote:2 >@ > >uL > >Paul Roxan, MD of Heroix EMEA, says "Despite the market's general move toL > >Open Systems, we feel that Compaq's OpenVMS operating system remains veryI > >important to major corporations and we fully support it as part of ourtF > >product portfolio."  Paul continues "Heroix is seeing growth in the OpenVMScL > >market in recent months and in 2000 our OpenVMS business grew by 33%.  We= > >expect this trend to continue for the foreseeable future."d >sE > We're evaluating implementing Robomon across VMS, HP-UX and NT/2000rG > platforms at the moment and there is no doubt that Heroix remain veryyF > pro VMS. One of their marketing managers is ex Sun and was amazed toF > discover just how entrenched VMS still is and how much its customers
 > love it. >h9 > It's not marketing fluff. Heroix are serious about VMS.h >e  I Indeed they are. I worked for these folks back in the late 80's when theyPL were still Computer Information Systems. (Paul Roxan was in the UK office atL the time.) CIS President Howie Reisman was quite the VMS advocate... CIS had* one of the larger VMSclusters then extant.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:10:21 +0100e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com+ Subject: Re: Another Press Release - HeroixnH Message-ID: <OFCA49AC01.779D1632-ON80256A38.004DB43B@qedi.quintiles.com>  D Thanks for posting the Heroix Press Release Sue.  We're one of theirG customers (only a very small one I'll admit) and this was the first I'da seen of Heroix and VMS v7.3.  
 Thanks again.h Steve.  K >>>Welwyn Garden City, Herts, UK - April 11, 2001 --- Heroix Corporation, atG leader in eBusiness automated infrastructure management software, todayeD announced continued support of Compaq Computer Corporation's OpenVMSI operating system, by releasing its latest version of RoboMon for OpenVMS.tI This new release brings numerous improvements, including improved clustereF handling for the new generation of Compaq systems, i.e. Compaq OpenVMSI Galaxy software architecture and the new Compaq AlphaServer GS Series, aseE well as fully supporting Compaq's OpenVMS V7.3, the newest version ofd Compaq 's OpenVMS operating system. <<<-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:21:05 -0700g+ From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com>c+ Subject: Re: Another Press Release - Heroix11 Message-ID: <3AE599E1.2C85793E@email.sps.mot.com>d  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------71D9A55C7791FDCDC54B74D1* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   B We dropped Robomon and Hitman (Siaga) for a freeware(?) called BigE Brother. I am not impressed with BB, but it is better than nothing. I $ did not have a part in the decision.   Linda    > >g > >Features:L > >RoboMon includes comprehensive pre-defined sensors called Solution Rules,M > >which are controlled through the Motif GUI interface. These rules detect a L > >wide variety of common OpenVMS operational and performance problems. TheyM > >are specifically designed to be self-configuring, so that RoboMon is fullyeK > >functional "out-of-the-box". Once installed, the product is both readily.N > >tailorable and extensible, so that site-specific requirements can easily beM > >accommodated, resulting in a comprehensive ability to perform "lights-out"d@ > >operations, which is particularly crucial to global business. > >m& --------------71D9A55C7791FDCDC54B74D1- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;t  name="p14175.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ( Content-Description: Card for Linda Luik  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="p14175.vcf"   begin:vcard  n:Luik;Linda tel;pager:1.888.772.5230 tel;fax:480.655.3569 tel;work:480.655.4432  k x-mozilla-html:FALSE 	-mozilla-cpt:;3344;;;( org:Motorola  SPS ;IT-CIM maildrop: M555 version:2.16& email;internet:linda.luik@motorola.com6 title:Regional VMS Systems Adminstrator/Backup Analyst5 adr;quoted-printable:;;2200 W. Broadway Road  =0D=0A=f fn:Luik, Linda	 end:vcard   ( --------------71D9A55C7791FDCDC54B74D1--   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 04:14:02 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: APAC update.e- Message-ID: <87r8yjcr1x.fsf@prep.synonet.com>  ' "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> writes:A  $ poster is an idiot :( Sorry folks...  
 > >Article at-    http://australianit.news.com.au/   Works way better with the .au2   -- l< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda./@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.i Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:40:11 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: APAC update.o8 Message-ID: <adiaet8c645ferd0uiln32qagg8lnp52gb@4ax.com>  0 On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:25:16 +1000, Malcolm Wade  <Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.au> wrote:  M >http://australianit.news.com.au/common/storyPage/0,3811,1925055%255E442,00.he  g >The new processing monarch, supplied by Compaq, will be located at the Australian National University.   C Now if it only ran VMS it would make one hell of an ANU (Australianu# National University) News server :)n   >e{ >The Compaq Alphaserver SC ES40-based system with 184 processors will be among the 60 most powerful computers in the world.e >a   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:27:45 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>t Subject: Re: APAC update.o) Message-ID: <3AE58D61.5C4A58ED@bbc.co.uk>o   Alan Greig wrote:c  2 > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:25:16 +1000, Malcolm Wade" > <Malcolm.Wade@asx.com.au> wrote: >tO > >http://australianit.news.com.au/common/storyPage/0,3811,1925055%255E442,00.h> >si > >The new processing monarch, supplied by Compaq, will be located at the Australian National University.S > E > Now if it only ran VMS it would make one hell of an ANU (Australian % > National University) News server :)n >h  b I wish there was a commercial news service package available on VMS, as then I would be suggesting` my home ISP moved off the Sun box that has been giving barely acceptable performance for months.  D Guess what they have now? Rises in the east and sets in the west ...   :-)r  -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukr  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofp MedAS or the BBC.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:59:18 GMToB From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>C Subject: Re: Compaq watch: radio ads and Inform - mostly good news. 6 Message-ID: <GMeF6.3192$QV4.265925@www.newsranger.com>  , On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:13:18 GMT, in articleJ <OoZE6.31795$%_1.8895627@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, Terry C. Shannon wrote: >M> >"andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message% >news:3AE44F5C.FAC30333@uk.sun.com...    [...]:  6 >> MS and Compaqs total lack of involvement in helping4 >> to develop the standards on which the internet is >> built being another example.o >qD >Digital used to be deeply involved in standards committees; CPQ hasJ >dramatically reduced participation in same. That's more seats for Sun and >other rivals. >q  L I was not aware of the situation with the standards committees. Does anybodyF have any examples ? Does this apply to newer standards, or traditional standards as well ?    Simon.   -- m; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPAJ 'The statement that "it can never happen" is not an acceptable programmingH approach. You must assume it can happen and be in control when it does.'=           -- Ada 95 Quality and Style Guidelines, US DoD AJPO,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:04:52 +0800d5 From: Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> 8 Subject: Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM?8 Message-ID: <arcaetsnf4scpkp6s1ai8jl83k7dna1e03@4ax.com>  B On 23 Apr 2001 23:29 CST, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:  . >netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com writes...' >}I am not good with LEXICAL functions,aH >}Could someone provide me some simple batch functions to control number3 >}of INTERACTIVE logins (not batch) in SYLOGIN.COM?i >wN >Instead of that, how about just entering (from a suitably privileged account) >$ SET LOGINS/INTERACTIVE=xr3 >where "x" is the maximum number you want to allow?  >w >See HELP SET LOGINS.   ? Conditions cannot be set if the LOGINS limitation set globally. 6 Some users required certain numbers of login sessions.      r Regards,  	 Netsurfer         ====R For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:09:13 -0400c5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>-8 Subject: Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM?2 Message-ID: <mXrlOovZt35yKLyw3kH5PX2BynkE@4ax.com>  - On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:04:52 +0800, Netsurfer , <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> wrote:  C >On 23 Apr 2001 23:29 CST, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) wrote:t >L/ >>netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com writes...t( >>}I am not good with LEXICAL functions,I >>}Could someone provide me some simple batch functions to control number 4 >>}of INTERACTIVE logins (not batch) in SYLOGIN.COM? >>O >>Instead of that, how about just entering (from a suitably privileged account)  >>$ SET LOGINS/INTERACTIVE=x4 >>where "x" is the maximum number you want to allow? >> >>See HELP SET LOGINS. >o@ >Conditions cannot be set if the LOGINS limitation set globally.7 >Some users required certain numbers of login sessions.n >     	 >Regards,o >y
 >Netsurfer >a  1 I take it that means you can't use the MAXJOBS ore MAXACCTJOBS fields in SYSUAF.S   David R. Beattyb   >    v >====.S >For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:47:43 -0400t0 From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca.spammenot>8 Subject: Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM?8 Message-ID: <JofF6.2326$231.407401@wagner.videotron.net>   Here you go.   $ Chk_Max_Sessions:oE $       NODE_MAX_SESSIONS = 2   ! No more than 2 interactive sessions2 allowed1L $       Msg_ACTSESS = "%LOGIN-F-ACTSESS, !UL other session!%S active on !AS" $       cpt = 0lI $       if f$type(ctx) .eqs. "PROCESS_CONTEXT"                          -s/         then c = f$cont("PROCESS",ctx,"CANCEL")uG $       c = f$context("PROCESS", ctx, "USERNAME", f$getj(0,"USERNAME"),  "EQL")C $       c = f$context("PROCESS", ctx, "MODE", "INTERACTIVE", "EQL")  $ Chk_Max_Sessions_Loop: $       pid = f$pid(ctx)6 $       if pid .eqs. "" then goto Chk_Max_Sessions_End7 $       if pid .nes. f$getj(pid,"MASTER_PID") then gotob Chk_Max_Sessions_Loopo $       cpt = cpt + 1p" $       Goto Chk_Max_Sessions_Loop $ Chk_Max_Sessions_End:9I $       If Cpt .gt. 1                                                   -l=         then Say f$fao(Msg_ACTSESS, Cpt-1, f$gets("SCSNODE"))rA $       If      Cpt .gt. NODE_MAX_SESSIONS                      -P&         then    goto Too_Many_Sessions     --   Syltrem ; http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site)i> To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address  I "Netsurfer" <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> a crit dans le messaget3 news: 3qt9ets0rb8q2ttq452n8qr9jl3lf67e0j@4ax.com...s' > I am not good with LEXICAL functions,eH > Could someone provide me some simple batch functions to control number3 > of INTERACTIVE logins (not batch) in SYLOGIN.COM?g >D	 > Thanks.k >7 >3 >j
 > Regards, >a > NetsurferM >  >A > ====K > For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail  address.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:01:12 -0700t+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>s8 Subject: Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM?( Message-ID: <3AE59538.491F86AA@mmaz.com>  
 ADR wrote:  E > This is a quickie thing I wrote, but it should work for you.  OthernB > people may have a better way of approaching this.  Put it in theF > beginning of SYLOGIN.COM.  Note that the number 64 in the code below@ > should be changed to whatever interactive limit you desire ...  F I know I've had very little coffee yet this morning, but what is wrong with SET LOGIN/INTER=### ???  H I suspect what the question may be asking is not how to limit the numberH of interactive logins, but to limit the number of interactive logins perB user so that SAM can only login once where MARTHA can login twice?  4 A simple DCl procedure we use to accomplish this is:   CHECK_INTERACTIVE_COUNT.com:   $   set noon $!   set noverify - $   if f$mode() .nes. "INTERACTIVE" then exit " $   pid = "''f$getjpi("", "pid")'"@ $   username = "''f$edit(f$getjpi("", "username"), "collapse")'"  $   comparename = "''username' "< $   show user 'username'/interactive/nocluster/out='pid'.tmp
 $   limit = 1t $   if "''p1'" .nes. ""m
 $     then $     limit = 'f$integer(p1)'g$ $     if limit .eq. 0 then limit = 1	 $   endift
 $   count = 0, $   open/read in 'pid'.tmp $ loop:b $   read/end=exitloop in buffereE $   if f$extract(1, f$length(username) + 1, buffer) .eqs. comparenamer
 $     then0 $     count = count + 'f$extract(25, 6, buffer)'	 $   endifO
 $   goto loopc $ exitloop:g $   close in $   dele|/nolog 'pid'.tmp.*vF $   write sys$Output "Your current INTERACTIVE login count is ''count' and your limit is ''limit'"e $   if count .gt. limitm
 $     thenD $     write sys$output "You have exceeded your number of INTERACTIVE logins."C $     write sys$output "Your current limit is: ''limit' and this ise your" . $     write sys$output "present login status:") $     show user/nocluster/full 'username'HE $     write sys$output "If you need additional access, please contacto MIS."n $     stop/id=0O	 $   endifh $   exit  5 and in invoked by sylogin based on a limit value set:t$     @CHECK_INTERACTIVE_COUNT 'limit'   Regards,   Barry    --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOe  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:16:41 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>a8 Subject: Re: Control interactive session at SYLOGIN.COM?) Message-ID: <3AE598D9.6813332B@bbc.co.uk>s   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:   > ADR wrote: >oG > > This is a quickie thing I wrote, but it should work for you.  OtherrD > > people may have a better way of approaching this.  Put it in theH > > beginning of SYLOGIN.COM.  Note that the number 64 in the code belowB > > should be changed to whatever interactive limit you desire ... >sH > I know I've had very little coffee yet this morning, but what is wrong > with SET LOGIN/INTER=### ???  @ Thats the limit for ALL users not a particular user. Tha MAXJOBSI UAF field limits interactive, batch, detached and network (after first 4) * jobs so is not totally appropriate either.   regardsr     >n >rJ > I suspect what the question may be asking is not how to limit the numberJ > of interactive logins, but to limit the number of interactive logins perD > user so that SAM can only login once where MARTHA can login twice? >e     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 07:57:04 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann)8/ Subject: Re: creprc with commandline parametersm0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-YIBeT3OUuDzL@Tom2>  F Never I want to unixify OpenVMS, I want to Warpify it ;-). But have a  look at H the Motif function XtOpenDisplay. It espects the arguments argc and argv to specify .E i.e. a Display String very comfortable. Also often I can use, in the n case of F command line programs, The same unmodified sourcecode on VMS and OS/2  for the F Application, of course if my librarys are up to date. On OpenVMS with  sys$creprc sC I can create detached processes with priority set. The things I've u missed are aG the commandline parameters and the possibility to preset some logicals t for the H new process. I think LIB$SPAWN also uses sys$creprc or is there another  service  to start processes ?   Thomas Hahnemann S&T Systemtechnikr    H On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:52:59, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca.spammenot> wrote:  " > > mcr [dir]imgname -some_optionsJ > It will not work unless you use slash (/) instead of dash (-) for option > delimiter (joke).e > # > Please do not unixify OpenVMS!!!!s" > > mcr [dir]imgname /some_options > K > You`ll find all the functions you need in the system library routines and K > LIB$ manuals. Can`t remember the exact names for each routine, but all ise > there. > N > And you can even create a .CLD file to avoid using MCR. There is a manual on > that too.R >  > -- > 	 > Syltrema= > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site) @ > To reply to myself directly, remove .spammenot from my address >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:03:34 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)B/ Subject: Re: creprc with commandline parametersr0 Message-ID: <009FB015.241AAB49@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-YIBeT3OUuDzL@Tom2>, Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) writes:G >Never I want to unixify OpenVMS, I want to Warpify it ;-). But have a o	 >look at iI >the Motif function XtOpenDisplay. It espects the arguments argc and argvo >to specify F >i.e. a Display String very comfortable. Also often I can use, in the 	 >case of rG >command line programs, The same unmodified sourcecode on VMS and OS/2 i	 >for the sG >Application, of course if my librarys are up to date. On OpenVMS with o >sys$creprc D >I can create detached processes with priority set. The things I've  >missed are H >the commandline parameters and the possibility to preset some logicals 	 >for the nI >new process. I think LIB$SPAWN also uses sys$creprc or is there another -	 >service a >to start processes ?: >0 >Thomas Hahnemannd >S&T Systemtechnik  < Perhaps you can better exlain what you are attemtping to do.  K SYS$CREPRC is the heart of any library routine which creates a VMS process.eK LIB$SPAWN can be used for quickly and easily creating a subprocess but it'spK likely not going to be very useful to you for creating detached or network n
 processes.  K In which table do you want the logicals defined?  You cannot readily defineiK a process logical table logical in another process.  You either have to let K the process itself define it/them or you need to muck about in kernel mode aK to define it/them.  JOB/GROUP/SYSTEM tables are different and, assuming the.K proper privileges are held by the process defining the logical(s), definingf- a logical in these tables is straightforward.i   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             dO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.i   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 11:53:08 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann)w/ Subject: Re: creprc with commandline parameters 0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-GG5JigzOSQUd@Tom2>  / I want to start X11/Motif programs as detached p. processes with parameters for the commandline . parsing routines in the program and the Motif ( XtOpenDisplay or XtAppInitilaize calls.    Thomas Hahnemann S&T Systemtechnike   ------------------------------   Date: 24 APR 2001 15:10:55 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>;/ Subject: Re: creprc with commandline parameterss2 Message-ID: <24APR01.15105558@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>  8 Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) wrote:1 > I want to start X11/Motif programs as detached n0 > processes with parameters for the commandline 0 > parsing routines in the program and the Motif * > XtOpenDisplay or XtAppInitilaize calls.   D Here's a method I used to pass command line parameters to a detachedA process (in my case to start an Xterm).  Basically the idea is tolD create/JOB a logical name which contains the parameters and pass theC job number of my current process to the detached process as part of E the job name of the detached process.  The detached process then getsnD the contents of the logical from my job tables.  This assumes that ID own both the current and detached process so there are no protectionB issues.  This also assumes that each detached process will get all? its command line parameters before a second detached process ist@ created.  You can probably extend the idea if you need to create$ multiple detached processes quickly.  ) Here are the critical parts from my .COM:p  J  $! If the mode is "OTHER" this is the detached process so we need to find,  $! what the display value is and run xterm.  $!d  $ if f$mode() .eqs. "OTHER"  $ theni5  $    jobnum = f$element(1,"_",f$getjpi("","prcnam"))2?  $    display = f$trnlnm("MYXTERM_DISPLAY","LNM$JOB_''jobnum'")e  $    xterm -display 'display'
  $    exit  $ endif  $!iF  $! If we get here, we're in the main process so we need to define the+  $! logical and start the detached process.   $!s0  $ define/job/nolog myxterm_display "''display'"H  $ jobnum = f$element(1,"_",f$trnlnm("lnm$job","lnm$process_directory"))>  $ run /detached /process_name="MyX_''jobnum'" /output=nla0: -=       /input='f$environment("procedure")' sys$system:loginoutj  $ exitA  E The logic of initiating this from within a program should be similar.o   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV.H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 17:33:36 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>o/ Subject: Re: creprc with commandline parameters H Message-ID: <y4hezegvn3.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  9 Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) writes:   1 > I want to start X11/Motif programs as detached  0 > processes with parameters for the commandline 0 > parsing routines in the program and the Motif * > XtOpenDisplay or XtAppInitilaize calls.   I I thought so. The best, and only, way to do this is to ask the process totJ execute LOGINOUT, and pass it an input command procedure which sets up theK environment to your liking, and then executes your application with all theoM switches set to your hearts content. BTW, you cannot pass the usual paramters  to that command procedure.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 10:44:20 GMT) From: mike.price@nospam@littlewoods.co.ukd) Subject: Current versions of VMS softwareG* Message-ID: <9c3le4$itg$1@news.netmar.com>  J I am sure there is a web site somewhere in Compaq that details the currentE version of everything and the predicted release date of future stuff.r$ Does anyone know where it is please.K Specifically I need to know where VMS 7.3 is up to at the moment but once I J have that I will need loads of other stuff (Cobol C Decforms etc.etc.etc.)  	 As alwaysb   TIAi   Mike  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----hM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups I    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsoL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  , Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:39:57 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>- Subject: Re: Current versions of VMS softwaremJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104241536540.27810-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  ' On 24 Apr 2001 mike.price@nospam wrote:u  K +I am sure there is a web site somewhere in Compaq that details the current0F +version of everything and the predicted release date of future stuff.             **********  % +Does anyone know where it is please.s  =  I am not aware of page with "everything", but some info like  this but VMS-related are at:B http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/OPENVMS_ROADMAPS.HTM  L +Specifically I need to know where VMS 7.3 is up to at the moment but once IK +have that I will need loads of other stuff (Cobol C Decforms etc.etc.etc.)t    Regards - Gotfryd   -- sE =====================================================================nF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEH. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:32:18 GMTn0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)- Subject: Re: Current versions of VMS software-0 Message-ID: <CMiF6.134$5I.2961@news.cpqcorp.net>   In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104241536540.27810-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>, "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> writes:v) |>On 24 Apr 2001 mike.price@nospam wrote:4 |>M |>+I am sure there is a web site somewhere in Compaq that details the current H |>+version of everything and the predicted release date of future stuff. |>            ********** |>' |>+Does anyone know where it is please.t |>? |> I am not aware of page with "everything", but some info likeu |>this but VMS-related are at:D |>http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/roadmap/OPENVMS_ROADMAPS.HTM |>N |>+Specifically I need to know where VMS 7.3 is up to at the moment but once IM |>+have that I will need loads of other stuff (Cobol C Decforms etc.etc.etc.)P |>  I The new 7.3 pages are in the works and over the next month 7.3 stuff will.K be rolling out on the web site. Timing is important because I don't want tooP loose anything that is currently there that folks might need cause they haven't J gotten the 7.3 kits yet. As Hoff posted earlier 'engineering' is done withI 7.3 and has sent it off to be kitted, reproduced, boxed and shipped. That  can take some time ... Anyway.    L Things like the DOC site and the Software rollout reports will be updated asO soon as I get the new pages from the owners. Since there is 'history' involved J" in these pages they can go up now.  0 What you want is the software rollout report at D http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/os/swroll/ which will tell youM for each OpenVMS version what Compaq software works and is supported. We have H been trying for awhile to have the some sort of information on 3rd party
 software.        -- sB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.comf3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself -          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 10:37:05 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)E, Subject: HELP: CPUSPINWAIT crash on SCS lock, Message-ID: <0ZDE2s12zcUj@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  B  I've just installed a dual processor DS20. It's running VMS 7.2-1@ and TCP/IP Services 5.1 and Oracle 8.1.6. I think I have all the3 7.2-1 patches installed except the latest CRTL one.f  E  It ran for about a day and then crashed with a CPUSPINWAIT bugcheck.q    From CLUE CRASH:j   CPUSPINWAIT Bugcheck:g2 Cause:                  timeout acquiring spinlock# Spinlock name:          IOLOCK8/SCSo  Spinlock address:       80CA5F00 Spinlock owner CPU Id:  00 Crash CPU Id:           01  < CPU Id    CPUDB       BugCode            State       WorkReq= ------    --------    ---------------    --------    -------- 6   00      80DC4000    CPUEXIT            Run         -6   01      80DF6F00    CPUSPINWAIT        Stopped     -  D   I've seen the recent discussion about SMP_SPINWAIT, but it appearsB from the crash dump this resource uses SMP_LONGSPINWAIT ( which isA already set to 30 seconds ). That would be consistant with what In< saw - the system hung for about 30 seconds and then crashed.  C   I've got a call in to the support center, but they haven't callede@ back yet. Anyone else seen this problem? Any ideas what might be causing it?n  M =============================================================================NB Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnettE                                                      Host: mala.bc.caoH Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:08:45 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bro Subject: IBM bought InformixL Message-ID: <OF350139BD.B79E710F-ON03256A24.00486A22@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Click at  Cnet www.cnet.comp  R So,  is time to Compaq re-buy RDB from Oracle  . . .   or Sybase ... or Ingres ...   Regardsr   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:29:35 +0200h5 From: Eckhard Wich <eckhard_wich@deutsche-boerse.com> ; Subject: Re: IBM MQ V2.2 stops after VMS721_RMS-V0100 patchn3 Message-ID: <3AE57FBF.EED6BC91@deutsche-boerse.com>e  D Could you post the ECO version you were using and the version of RMSF Patch you tried to apply? We currently run MQSeries V2.2 with ECO 5 at VMS V7.2-1.l; Any experience with re-installing MQSeries and/or the ECO ?v     Marty Kuhrt schrieb:  ; > A word of warning for IBM MQSeries users on V7.2-1 beforei > installing the RMS patch.t >i? > After installing the VMS721_RMS-V0100 patch on my AlphaServernA > 1200 running V7.2-1 of VMS, IBM MQ Series V2.2 software stoppedt> > working properly.  The logs show accvios where none occurredB > before.   After backing the patch out, the MQ software went backC > to working properly.  IBM wants $5K for a support contract beforec@ > they'll even acknowledge the problem, more or less do anything > about it.    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 23:29:47 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Info-VAX filterings- Message-ID: <87oftmpb84.fsf@prep.synonet.com>:  2 Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> writes:  E > For the record, this is not an Info-VAX filter.  It was done at thel; > site of some *recipient* of Info-VAX and, being massivelyiA > brain-dead, it sent the notice back to the address in the From:k@ > header (you) instead of the address in the envelope Mail From:& > header (me) as it is supposed to do.  H That's what I thought. I looked after Bill posted the followup, and gnus  had shoved it into the spam bin.  C > You can notify me when you receive such messages if you wish, buthE > they only impact any user(s) at the improperly configured site, nota > the rest of the list.t  & Glad to hear it not storming the list.   -- I< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.d@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:04:11 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>i2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG8 Message-ID: <s6gaetkvk1t2kpnmd0n2jl3h5ogt04q555@4ax.com>  , On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:00:15 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    >Hoff Hoffman wrote: >> eF >>   The OpenVMS management structure -- including email addresses andF >>   titles -- will be updated in the next edition of the OpenVMS FAQ. >HO >Considering the number of times this was changed in recent times, I would haveeK >thought that a real-time automated database would have been setup to trackr( >who'se in charge of what today :-) :-)  > N >You mean you have to manually update a web page whenever there is a change inM >management at Compaq ? No wonder it is taking so long to release 7.3 :-) :-)  >:-) :-) ;-) :-) :-) :-)  D Hmm,  Compaq use SAP. SAP's HR module should be able to provide this> info real time to the web. SAPs HR module has such an intimateE knowledge of employee structure that it will even suggest promotions!e I am not kidding.h -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:24:56 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> 2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG) Message-ID: <3AE58CB7.ECEA80A5@bbc.co.uk>    Alan Greig wrote:   G >  Hmm,  Compaq use SAP. SAP's HR module should be able to provide thisr@ > info real time to the web. SAPs HR module has such an intimateG > knowledge of employee structure that it will even suggest promotions!o > I am not kidding.s  Q hmmm, you have to make sure the deployment of THAT module was very secure surely, C else everyone in the organization would be trrying to "hck" it :-).e  1 Does it handle contractor renewals too, I wonder?  --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofe MedAS or the BBC.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:27:52 +0100S% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>V2 Subject: Re: Management Musical Chairs in the BCSG8 Message-ID: <k86bets9p6350tcb2b6mu0n5oo705hc4in@4ax.com>  1 On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:24:56 +0100, Tim Llewellyno  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:   >n >n >Alan Greig wrote: >nH >>  Hmm,  Compaq use SAP. SAP's HR module should be able to provide thisA >> info real time to the web. SAPs HR module has such an intimatedH >> knowledge of employee structure that it will even suggest promotions! >> I am not kidding. > R >hmmm, you have to make sure the deployment of THAT module was very secure surely,D >else everyone in the organization would be trrying to "hck" it :-).  = At a SAP training course (at SAP in Manchester) we had to setrF ourselves up as employees. We were told to pay ourselves by cheque andB not by e-fund transfer as the training system allegedly had a liveE link into the UK BACS (electronic fund transfer for those outside theiE UK) system. I think he was joking. Wonder how much I could pay myselfk before SAP ran out of funds...   >t2 >Does it handle contractor renewals too, I wonder?  B If you want workflow to work properly SAP really has to know aboutD everyone contractor or not. One of our plants had a problem with itsE HR setup causing SAP to flash up a red traffic light demanding action @ from every employee if certain engineering changes were actioned9 because it didn't know who to inform. So I'm told anyway.n -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:42:36 +0100n% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>d  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Advertising8 Message-ID: <qhiaet8f3nmrci1jk65t4g5kav4ehpbsli@4ax.com>  7 On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:29:10 -0500, "David J. Dachtera"  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   >"John D. Peedle" wrote: >> n0 >> Well chaps, Compaq has gone for the big time. >> EJ >> The back cover of IT Week here in the UK is busy telling the world that= >> OpenVMS is the most reliable Alphaserver operating System.- > @ >Try to get a price on a bulk shipment of them. I'll arrange forB >distribution here in the states so the U.S. market gets the word.  D Good idea. Recent editions of Computing, Computer Weekly and Network? News have all carried this ad in addition to IT Week. Should beo2 possible to get some back issues for distribution.    C >> They suggest that you have to ask a search engine by the name ofa, >> northernlight.com to establish this fact! >> -M >> It all looks really good... until you read the small print at the bottom -gN >> ...Proliant and Inspiration Technology are trademarks of Compaq Information >> Technologies Group L.P... >> sM >> Now the burning question is, just when did OpenVMS come out on a Proliant?  >g1 >Probably that same time it came out for AMD. :-)    -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:25:07 +0100X0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!) Message-ID: <3AE570A3.86D6734@uk.sun.com>i  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > M > Unless I'm misreading him, he's doing neither. He's using sarcasm to take a H > potshot at Sun. And in response, you're doing a crude variation of theM > "When did you stop beating your wife?" verbal trap. Run out of imagination,i > eh Andrew? >   $ Actually you are mistaken its not a . "when did you stop beating your wife" question, but it is "between a rock and a hard place" 	 question.m  , Both you a Paul know that it is matketing BS$ but to admit this would be terrible.   Hence the attempt at sarcasm.a  0 What do you think of Kerrys claim, do you think - the 5+ GB/s is marketing BS or the truth ????e   regardsT > Shane  > F > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/23/2001 08:58:12 AM > > > Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com" > cc:) > ; > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!" >  > Paul Repacholi wrote:p > > 6 > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > >mI > > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: As is making claims for existing systems whichoA > > > are not supported by the data you youselves have published.j > >   > > OK Kerry, naughty boy! Smak. > >nJ > > You should know that it is only aceptable to enrich the mental gardensB > > of you poor punters by spreading infomation based on NDA data. > >j > + > So was Kerrys posting bullshit or are youi > defending it.o > 	 > Regardso > Andrew Harrison- > Enterprise IT Architect    --   Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT Architecti   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Apr 2001 00:06:15 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!- Message-ID: <873dayp9jc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  2 andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  @ > What do you think of Kerrys claim, do you think the 5+ GB/s is  > marketing BS or the truth ????  C Reframe the 5GB/sec question in a rigorous manner, and I'll Answer.c Well, as well as I can.   F Kerry may or may not care to chip in as well. So what IS the question?   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.I@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov t   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 23:31:50 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versionr- Message-ID: <87k84apb4p.fsf@prep.synonet.com>3  3 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:s   > Hoff Hoffman wrote:h  E > >   Given that the images in the (unsupported) Multia kits are coreaA > >   images of the OpenVMS kernel, I would NOT assume that thesecA > >   images can be transported to and successfully used on other  > >   OpenVMS versions.o   > How 'bout a sergeant?    Easy, but it's a dead one ;)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov -   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:49:23 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS V7.3 Shipst= Message-ID: <7LdF6.80372$o9.13355355@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>3  K Has this (shipping VMS 7.3)  been officially posted anywhere?   Where mighteL I find the release notes or new features documentation?  Does this mean thatL VMS 7.2-1 has one year of top level support left?   Finally, can you clue meJ in to what this VMS 7.2-2 that I occasionally hear about on this board is?  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageS) news:zZZE6.75$5I.1870@news.cpqcorp.net.... >/, >   Follow-ups have been set to comp.os.vms. >aH >   OpenVMS Engineering has shipped OpenVMS V7.3, and -- given the usualH >   software manufacturing and shipping cycle times -- the software kitsH >   will be appearing at contract customer sites in North America withinG >   the next month or so, and at other contract customer sites over the. >   next six weeks or so.H >E5 >   Included in the shipment is TCP/IP Services V5.1.z >zF >   The OpenVMS V7.3 Software Developer's Kit (SDK) and External FieldG >   Test processes are now ending, and all bug reports should be routed + >   via the Compaq Customer Support Center.n >n > -- >jI >   Bugs I know of in V7.3 so far: The Freeware V5.0 volume 2 menu systemnH >   is messed up, and will return an error 2000.4 -- this due to controlF >   characters embedded in the titles of a couple of the README files,H >   characters that I erroneously missed removing when I built the final. >   menu database files for the second volume. >  > ( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------t1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering/ hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >> >>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:08:40 -0400I. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS V7.3 Ships + Message-ID: <9c41be$cri$1@bob.news.rcn.net>o  9 VMS 7.3, to my knowledge, has not been 'posted' anywhere.   C As Hoff said, it has been 'shipped', but I believe he means shipped E to manufacturing for CD duplication.  Given the past history, I wouldeE expect to see it in your mailbox (assuming you have a current supportn contract) sometime in late May.e  5 VMS 7.2-2 is a roll-up of many of the ECOS for 7.2-1..  A VMS with DII COE is getting a release something like VMS 7.2-6C1.t  @ Based upon VMS 7.2 history, you can expect VMS 7.3-1 sometime in the Fall/Winter time frame.v  F My question is, some of the recent 'Ask the Wizard' entries talk aboutD VMS 7.4; what's the time frame for that?  IIRC, there was a questionC posted about re-integrating the DII COE work with VMS, and this 7.4k version was mentioned.  / john nixon <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> wrote in messageo7 news:7LdF6.80372$o9.13355355@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com...-G > Has this (shipping VMS 7.3)  been officially posted anywhere?   Wheree might I > I find the release notes or new features documentation?  Does this meanr thatK > VMS 7.2-1 has one year of top level support left?   Finally, can you clue@ meL > in to what this VMS 7.2-2 that I occasionally hear about on this board is? >s >e   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 15:29:10 GMT& From: dsf@frontiernet.net (Dan Foster) Subject: Re: OpenVMS V7.3 Ships-7 Message-ID: <9c4646$kho$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>A  + In article <9c41be$cri$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,a- Kenneth Randell <kenr@datametrics.com> wrote:P: >VMS 7.3, to my knowledge, has not been 'posted' anywhere. >.D >As Hoff said, it has been 'shipped', but I believe he means shippedF >to manufacturing for CD duplication.  Given the past history, I wouldF >expect to see it in your mailbox (assuming you have a current support  >contract) sometime in late May. >S6 >VMS 7.2-2 is a roll-up of many of the ECOS for 7.2-1.  C Hmm. I've only got hobbyist media for 7.2 (VAX). How would I obtainkC 7.2-2? Would I need to pay some upgrade fee to Compaq to obtain it?oC If so, how much to obtain 7.2-2 media in some form (CD, electronic,  etc.)?   -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:28:29 -0400-5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS V7.3 Ships02 Message-ID: <j7flOvM+AyeeKLbeFCK+oCVa2Ufq@4ax.com>  D On 24 Apr 2001 15:29:10 GMT, dsf@frontiernet.net (Dan Foster) wrote:  , >In article <9c41be$cri$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,. >Kenneth Randell <kenr@datametrics.com> wrote:; >>VMS 7.3, to my knowledge, has not been 'posted' anywhere.s >>E >>As Hoff said, it has been 'shipped', but I believe he means shipped G >>to manufacturing for CD duplication.  Given the past history, I wouldwG >>expect to see it in your mailbox (assuming you have a current support=! >>contract) sometime in late May.  >>7 >>VMS 7.2-2 is a roll-up of many of the ECOS for 7.2-1.n >tD >Hmm. I've only got hobbyist media for 7.2 (VAX). How would I obtainD >7.2-2? Would I need to pay some upgrade fee to Compaq to obtain it?D >If so, how much to obtain 7.2-2 media in some form (CD, electronic, >etc.)?0 >  >-Dana  ? V7.2-2 will be for Alpha only.  There is little maintenance fore, VAX V7.2, but a great deal for Alpha V7.2-1.   David R. Beattys   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:52:13 GMT + From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net>r$ Subject: Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace": Message-ID: <hw8F6.5657$Up.184479@sea-read.news.verio.net>  = "Richard B. Gilbert" <Dragon@CompuServe.Com> wrote in messagec( news:3AE34329.97E186B2@CompuServe.Com...  L > These details are not shared for pretty much the same reason that detailedG > information on the construction of nuclear weapons is not shared; thee1 > information could and would be used against us!   H I don't see why. If you know that some method is insecure, you don't use* it -- no matter how open you are about it.  ! >  I suspsect that the revelation7L > of NSA's cryptological techniques might be more dangerous to our interests than8 > the revelation of nuclear weapons technology would be.  F But do they actually have anything useful? Or are they just wasting my money?  K > And, assuming that all the cryptologic information was freely  available,w what > would you do with it?.  D Pay less taxes, perharps? I don't see how "secret" science may be as efficient as open one.   Kit.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 07:22:13 GMT2+ From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net>p$ Subject: Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace": Message-ID: <FQ9F6.5664$Up.184561@sea-read.news.verio.net>  6 "Christof Brass" <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3AE4BC4D.D3D6572A@infopuls.com...  B > Do you really think that the technique to create nuclear weapons? > and the technique of how to protect  communication or data byo' > applying algorithms can be compared??)  J No, but if your enemy is secretly developing nuclear weapons, you may needJ to protect the communication channels for a network of your spies stealing the secrets of your enemy.  J So the question is similar to what is worse from security standpoint: open source or closed source ;)   Kit.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:51:15 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>$ Subject: Re: OT: "The Puzzle Palace"= Message-ID: <TMdF6.33345$%_1.9370671@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   6 "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net> wrote in message4 news:hw8F6.5657$Up.184479@sea-read.news.verio.net...? > "Richard B. Gilbert" <Dragon@CompuServe.Com> wrote in messagef <snip> >cA > > And, assuming that all the cryptologic information was freely-
 available, > what > > would you do with it?4 > F > Pay less taxes, perharps? I don't see how "secret" science may be as > efficient as open one.  L You are right, it is not as efficient. That is why William Jefferson ClintonB III made a groundbreaking advance in efficiency and comradely goodK fellowship by enabling the transfer of boatloads of sensitive technology toi his Strategic Partner the PRC.  B Incidentally, Bamford's new book, "Body of Secrets," is out today.  
 Charles Matcom SGT, RET  98C20 2 USASA 509th RRG, Nha Trang, Bong Son, Pleiku 70-72   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 23:49:54 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>* Subject: Re: Outstanding News for OpenVMS!- Message-ID: <87bspmpaal.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:s  5 > In article <NxnKLFiPC26T@eisner.encompasserve.org>,u/ > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:   + > > http://www.theinquirer.net/20040106.htm   F > "By a staff writer (cough)" using style I think I've seen elsewhere. > Anyone else notice?m  = Probably just some dogs-body with nothing better to do.... ;)e  > But, hey, thay ARE getting Alpha and VMS onto peoples screens.   -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.w@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 16:06:05 GMT. From: robert.nospam.harrison@ch.nospam.abb.com Subject: Pathworks for VMS 5.52t* Message-ID: <9c489d$df8$1@news.netmar.com>  M Does anyone know whether the current versions of Pathworks (or is it AdvancedmI Server now) will work with a system running VAX VMS 5.52 (eg DECnet Phasel IV).  L I ran this past my local Q and they said simply upgrade to VMS 7.1 before it
 will work.  M Upgrading to 7.1 isn't an option I don't think; it's a legacy system which we  don't produce any more.1   Any help appreciated.n   Thanx,   Robi  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----sM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groups I    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other posts L made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 16:09:00 GMT  From: robert.harrison@ch.abb.com# Subject: Re: Pathworks for VMS 5.52!* Message-ID: <9c48es$dpo$1@news.netmar.com>  * In article <9c489d$df8$1@news.netmar.com>,2 <robert.nospam.harrison@ch.nospam.abb.com> writes: >nE >Does anyone know whether the current versions of Pathworks (or is iti AdvancedJ >Server now) will work with a system running VAX VMS 5.52 (eg DECnet Phase >IV).q >aM >I ran this past my local Q and they said simply upgrade to VMS 7.1 before itt >will work.  >eK >Upgrading to 7.1 isn't an option I don't think; it's a legacy system whichn we >don't produce any more. >s >Any help appreciated. >  >Thanx,  >t >Rob >t  Oops, Sorry for the double post.  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----rM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsiI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postseL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 16:04:33 GMT. From: robert.nospam.harrison@ch.nospam.abb.com Subject: Pathworks for VMS 5.52n* Message-ID: <9c486h$d8u$1@news.netmar.com>  M Does anyone know whether the current versions of Pathworks (or is it Advanced:I Server now) will work with a system running VAX VMS 5.52 (eg DECnet Phase  IV).  L I ran this past my local Q and they said simply upgrade to VMS 7.1 before it
 will work.  M Upgrading to 7.1 isn't an option I don't think; it's a legacy system which wel don't produce any more.n   Any help appreciated.e   Thanx,   Robl  O  -----  Posted via NewsOne.Net: Free (anonymous) Usenet News via the Web  -----mM   http://newsone.net/ -- Free reading and anonymous posting to 60,000+ groupsyI    NewsOne.Net prohibits users from posting spam.  If this or other postsbL made through NewsOne.Net violate posting guidelines, email abuse@newsone.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:51:40 +0200 ) From: "WEEKAA" <verledentijd@hotmail.com> ? Subject: pathworks problem how do I start the netlogon service?>* Message-ID: <9c3sv3$r4l$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  " Hello I have the following problem  * I can't start or stop the netlogon service   What is going wrong here??  
 VAXB>> pwshowtJ VAX/VMS V5.5-2  on node VAXB  23-APR-2001 15:30:38.77   Uptime  2 19:50:07F   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts Ph.MemF 23C00776 NETBIOS         HIB      4    20940   0 00:00:08.71       251 454aF 23C00790 PWRK$ADMIN_0    LEF      5      124   0 00:00:01.76       300 351iF 23C0077C PWRK$KNBDAEMON  HIB     10     5246   0 00:00:51.41       857 1801F 23C0077F PWRK$LICENSE_R  HIB     11      112   0 00:00:02.01      1895 1084F 23C00782 PWRK$LICENSE_S  HIB      6     1304   0 00:00:03.23      1867 971iF 23C00796 PWRK$LMDMN      HIB     11      452   0 00:00:21.33      8216 2396F 23C0028A PWRK$LMMCP      HIB     11    16219   0 00:02:58.03      3675 2220F 23C00793 PWRK$LMSRV      HIB     11     7930   0 00:00:58.10     10802 9772F 23C00287 PWRK$MASTER     HIB      6      527   0 00:00:11.55      1720 543pF 23C0078D PWRK$MONITOR    HIB      6       65   0 00:02:04.41      3108 1500F 23C00779 PWRK$NBDAEMON   HIB     10       34   0 00:00:00.28       319 538i VAXB>> net accounts /synco  4 NET2455:  The Netlogon service has not been started.5 More help may be obtained by typing NET HELPMSG 2455.n VAXB>> net start netlogon)  & NET2187:  The service control is busy.5 More help may be obtained by typing NET HELPMSG 2187.  VAXB>> pwver  E Information on PATHWORKS for OpenVMS images installed on this system:   J           Image Name            Image Version      Link date        Linker IDL ------------------------------ ---------------- -----------------  --------- ----H PWRK$MASTER                    V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:41  05-13H PWRK$NBDAEMON                  V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:58  05-13H PWRK$KNBDAEMON                 V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:59  05-13H PWRK$STREAMSOS_V5              V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:54  05-13H PWRK$STREAMSOS_V6              V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:54  05-13H NETBIOS                        V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:55  05-13H NETBIOSSHR                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:56  05-13H PWRK$LICENSE_SERVER            V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:08  05-13H PWRK$LICENSE_LIBSHR            V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:07  05-13H PWRK$LICENSE_REGISTRAR         V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:08  05-13H PWRK$LMSRV                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:30  05-13H PWRK$LMMCP                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:28  05-13H PWRK$LMDMN                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:27  05-13H PWRK$MONITOR                   V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:04  05-13H PWRK$ADMIN                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:32  05-13   What am I doing wrong.   Please helpe   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:05:14 +0200t& From: abdullah <abdullah@nepco.com.jo>C Subject: Re: pathworks problem how do I start the netlogon service?p9 Message-ID: <009201c0cccf$f7765d80$ec036e64@nepco.com.jo>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C0CCE0.BAA3A000r Content-Type: text/plain;o 	charset="windows-1256"t+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablee   Hi# Although if you typed this command:  $     Net HELPMSG 2178C you will find your answer;but i think you need to stop this servicet $ NET STOP NETLOGONe and restart it again; E if this fails try to stop all programs that use this service;try to =  shutdown0 the pathwork,and start the whole pathework again   ----- Original Message -----' From: WEEKAA <verledentijd@hotmail.com>  To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>0% Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:51 PMh? Subject: pathworks problem how do I start the netlogon service?v    $ > Hello I have the following problem >n, > I can't start or stop the netlogon service >a > What is going wrong here?? >  > VAXB>> pwshowoE > VAX/VMS V5.5-2  on node VAXB  23-APR-2001 15:30:38.77   Uptime  2 =7 19:50:07H >   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts > Ph.MemH > 23C00776 NETBIOS         HIB      4    20940   0 00:00:08.71       251 > 454mH > 23C00790 PWRK$ADMIN_0    LEF      5      124   0 00:00:01.76       300 > 351 H > 23C0077C PWRK$KNBDAEMON  HIB     10     5246   0 00:00:51.41       857 > 1801H > 23C0077F PWRK$LICENSE_R  HIB     11      112   0 00:00:02.01      1895 > 1084H > 23C00782 PWRK$LICENSE_S  HIB      6     1304   0 00:00:03.23      1867 > 971sH > 23C00796 PWRK$LMDMN      HIB     11      452   0 00:00:21.33      8216 > 2396H > 23C0028A PWRK$LMMCP      HIB     11    16219   0 00:02:58.03      3675 > 2220H > 23C00793 PWRK$LMSRV      HIB     11     7930   0 00:00:58.10     10802 > 9772H > 23C00287 PWRK$MASTER     HIB      6      527   0 00:00:11.55      1720 > 543tH > 23C0078D PWRK$MONITOR    HIB      6       65   0 00:02:04.41      3108 > 1500H > 23C00779 PWRK$NBDAEMON   HIB     10       34   0 00:00:00.28       319 > 538t > VAXB>> net accounts /syncd >l6 > NET2455:  The Netlogon service has not been started.7 > More help may be obtained by typing NET HELPMSG 2455.  > VAXB>> net start netlogon0 >l( > NET2187:  The service control is busy.7 > More help may be obtained by typing NET HELPMSG 2187.h > VAXB>> pwver >nG > Information on PATHWORKS for OpenVMS images installed on this system:e >lG >           Image Name            Image Version      Link date        =  Linker > IDF > ------------------------------ ---------------- -----------------  = -------- -- > ----F > PWRK$MASTER                    V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:41  = 05-13 F > PWRK$NBDAEMON                  V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:58  = 05-13tF > PWRK$KNBDAEMON                 V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:59  = 05-13mF > PWRK$STREAMSOS_V5              V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:54  = 05-130F > PWRK$STREAMSOS_V6              V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:54  = 05-13 F > NETBIOS                        V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:55  = 05-13eF > NETBIOSSHR                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:56  = 05-13IF > PWRK$LICENSE_SERVER            V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:08  = 05-13tF > PWRK$LICENSE_LIBSHR            V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:07  = 05-13nF > PWRK$LICENSE_REGISTRAR         V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:08  = 05-13oF > PWRK$LMSRV                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:30  = 05-13VF > PWRK$LMMCP                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:28  = 05-13nF > PWRK$LMDMN                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:27  = 05-13iF > PWRK$MONITOR                   V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:04  = 05-13 F > PWRK$ADMIN                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:32  = 05-13  >k > What am I doing wrong. >o
 > Please helpn >l >. >>    + ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C0CCE0.BAA3A000t Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="windows-1256"S+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printabler  > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>5 <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1256" =p http-equiv=3DContent-Type>9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3DGENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>s </HEAD>? <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>D <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi<BR>Although if you typed this=20I command:<BR>$&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Net HELPMSG 2178<BR>you will find =$ your=20e@ answer;but i think you need to stop this service<BR>$ NET STOP = NETLOGON<BR>and=20F restart it again;<BR>if this fails try to stop all programs that use = this=20sH service;try to shutdown<BR>the pathwork,and start the whole pathework=20C again<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: WEEKAA &lt;<A=20 J href=3D"mailto:verledentijd@hotmail.com">verledentijd@hotmail.com</A>&gt;=
 <BR>To:=20	 &lt;<A=20)J href=3D"mailto:Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com">Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</A>&gt;<BR>Se= nt:=20H Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:51 PM<BR>Subject: pathworks problem how do I = start the=20? netlogon service?<BR><BR><BR>&gt; Hello I have the following=20m= problem<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; I can't start or stop the netlogon=20?D service<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; What is going wrong here??<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; = VAXB&gt;&gt;=20rE pwshow<BR>&gt; VAX/VMS V5.5-2&nbsp; on node VAXB&nbsp; 23-APR-2001=20VF 15:30:38.77&nbsp;&nbsp; Uptime&nbsp; 2 19:50:07<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20C Pid&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Process Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; State&nbsp;=20 # Pri&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =n* I/O&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20J CPU&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Page flts<BR>&gt; Ph.Mem<BR>&gt; =  C 23C00776 NETBIOS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20 I HIB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 20940&nbsp;&nbsp; =  0=20I 00:00:08.71&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 251<BR>&gt; 454<BR>&gt; =a 23C00790=20iC PWRK$ADMIN_0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; LEF&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=2024 5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 124&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=20I 00:00:01.76&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 300<BR>&gt; 351<BR>&gt; =o 23C0077C=20n2 PWRK$KNBDAEMON&nbsp; HIB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = 10&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=200D 5246&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 00:00:51.41&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = 857<BR>&gt;=20I 1801<BR>&gt; 23C0077F PWRK$LICENSE_R&nbsp; HIB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20-5 11&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 112&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=20ME 00:00:02.01&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1895<BR>&gt; 1084<BR>&gt; =  23C00782=20"8 PWRK$LICENSE_S&nbsp; HIB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = 6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20> 1304&nbsp;&nbsp; 0 00:00:03.23&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = 1867<BR>&gt;=20 @ 971<BR>&gt; 23C00796 PWRK$LMDMN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20> HIB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 11&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = 452&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=20E 00:00:21.33&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 8216<BR>&gt; 2396<BR>&gt; =. 23C0028A=20tG PWRK$LMMCP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; HIB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20a+ 11&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 16219&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=20tE 00:02:58.03&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3675<BR>&gt; 2220<BR>&gt; =r 23C00793=20hG PWRK$LMSRV&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; HIB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20e0 11&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 7930&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=20J 00:00:58.10&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 10802<BR>&gt; 9772<BR>&gt; 23C00287=20H PWRK$MASTER&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; HIB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=204 6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 527&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=20D 00:00:11.55&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1720<BR>&gt; 543<BR>&gt; = 23C0078D=20pC PWRK$MONITOR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; HIB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20u9 6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 65&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=20$E 00:02:04.41&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3108<BR>&gt; 1500<BR>&gt; =c 23C00779=20m8 PWRK$NBDAEMON&nbsp;&nbsp; HIB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20: 10&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 34&nbsp;&nbsp; 0=20J 00:00:00.28&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 319<BR>&gt; 538<BR>&gt;=20D VAXB&gt;&gt; net accounts /sync<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; NET2455:&nbsp; The = Netlogon=20eD service has not been started.<BR>&gt; More help may be obtained by =
 typing NET=20 H HELPMSG 2455.<BR>&gt; VAXB&gt;&gt; net start netlogon<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20F NET2187:&nbsp; The service control is busy.<BR>&gt; More help may be = obtained by=20E typing NET HELPMSG 2187.<BR>&gt; VAXB&gt;&gt; pwver<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; =r Information=204 on PATHWORKS for OpenVMS images installed on this=20J system:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
 bsp;&nbsp;=20t Image =nI Name&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20n3 Image Version&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Link=20uJ date&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Linker<BR>&gt; ID<BR>&gt; =  J ------------------------------ ---------------- -----------------&nbsp;=20% -------<BR>--<BR>&gt; ----<BR>&gt;=20oJ PWRK$MASTER&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=7 bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20sA V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =r 20:41&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$NBDAEMON&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=- &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20 A V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =  20:58&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$KNBDAEMON&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=( ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20A V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =g 20:59&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$STREAMSOS_V5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20sA V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =  20:54&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$STREAMSOS_V6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20eA V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =e 20:54&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J NETBIOS&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=J &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =  A V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =  20:55&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J NETBIOSSHR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=< sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20A V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =  20:56&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$LICENSE_SERVER&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;&nbsp;=20aA V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =n 21:08&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$LICENSE_LIBSHR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;&nbsp;=20aA V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =7 21:07&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20I PWRK$LICENSE_REGISTRAR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20iA V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =n 21:08&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$LMSRV&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=< sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20A V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =g 23:30&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$LMMCP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=< sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20A V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =d 23:28&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$LMDMN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=< sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20A V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =  23:27&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$MONITOR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=2 nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20A V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =l 21:04&nbsp;=20 05-13<BR>&gt;=20J PWRK$ADMIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=< sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20A V5.0-600F&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-JUL-1997 =i 23:32&nbsp;=20F 05-13<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; What am I doing wrong.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Please=20; help<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>e  - ------=_NextPart_000_008F_01C0CCE0.BAA3A000--4   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:43:42 +0200j) From: "WEEKAA" <verledentijd@hotmail.com>9C Subject: Re: pathworks problem how do I start the netlogon service?v* Message-ID: <9c43gf$bmo$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  5 "abdullah" <abdullah@nepco.com.jo> schreef in berichtg3 news:009201c0cccf$f7765d80$ec036e64@nepco.com.jo...d Hi# Although if you typed this command:r $     Net HELPMSG 2178C you will find your answer;but i think you need to stop this serviceh $ NET STOP NETLOGONn and restart it again;pL if this fails try to stop all programs that use this service;try to shutdown0 the pathwork,and start the whole pathework again   I allready did that many times,u  H Net stop server netlogon tells me that the service has not been started.9 Net start servi netlogon tells me that the server is busya etc etcg     Wime       ----- Original Message -----' From: WEEKAA <verledentijd@hotmail.com>  To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>m% Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 2:51 PM ? Subject: pathworks problem how do I start the netlogon service?     $ > Hello I have the following problem > , > I can't start or stop the netlogon service >r > What is going wrong here?? >  > VAXB>> pwshownL > VAX/VMS V5.5-2  on node VAXB  23-APR-2001 15:30:38.77   Uptime  2 19:50:07H >   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts > Ph.MemH > 23C00776 NETBIOS         HIB      4    20940   0 00:00:08.71       251 > 4541H > 23C00790 PWRK$ADMIN_0    LEF      5      124   0 00:00:01.76       300 > 351 H > 23C0077C PWRK$KNBDAEMON  HIB     10     5246   0 00:00:51.41       857 > 1801H > 23C0077F PWRK$LICENSE_R  HIB     11      112   0 00:00:02.01      1895 > 1084H > 23C00782 PWRK$LICENSE_S  HIB      6     1304   0 00:00:03.23      1867 > 971iH > 23C00796 PWRK$LMDMN      HIB     11      452   0 00:00:21.33      8216 > 2396H > 23C0028A PWRK$LMMCP      HIB     11    16219   0 00:02:58.03      3675 > 2220H > 23C00793 PWRK$LMSRV      HIB     11     7930   0 00:00:58.10     10802 > 9772H > 23C00287 PWRK$MASTER     HIB      6      527   0 00:00:11.55      1720 > 543$H > 23C0078D PWRK$MONITOR    HIB      6       65   0 00:02:04.41      3108 > 1500H > 23C00779 PWRK$NBDAEMON   HIB     10       34   0 00:00:00.28       319 > 538s > VAXB>> net accounts /syncn >r6 > NET2455:  The Netlogon service has not been started.7 > More help may be obtained by typing NET HELPMSG 2455.  > VAXB>> net start netlogon  >b( > NET2187:  The service control is busy.7 > More help may be obtained by typing NET HELPMSG 2187.R > VAXB>> pwver >eG > Information on PATHWORKS for OpenVMS images installed on this system:s > L >           Image Name            Image Version      Link date        Linker > IDL > ------------------------------ ---------------- -----------------  ------- -- > ----J > PWRK$MASTER                    V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:41  05-13J > PWRK$NBDAEMON                  V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:58  05-13J > PWRK$KNBDAEMON                 V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:59  05-13J > PWRK$STREAMSOS_V5              V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:54  05-13J > PWRK$STREAMSOS_V6              V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:54  05-13J > NETBIOS                        V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:55  05-13J > NETBIOSSHR                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 20:56  05-13J > PWRK$LICENSE_SERVER            V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:08  05-13J > PWRK$LICENSE_LIBSHR            V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:07  05-13J > PWRK$LICENSE_REGISTRAR         V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:08  05-13J > PWRK$LMSRV                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:30  05-13J > PWRK$LMMCP                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:28  05-13J > PWRK$LMDMN                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:27  05-13J > PWRK$MONITOR                   V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 21:04  05-13J > PWRK$ADMIN                     V5.0-600F        18-JUL-1997 23:32  05-13 >2 > What am I doing wrong. >r
 > Please helpb >l >n >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:35:32 +0100e From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>6; Subject: Re: R.I.P. FTP.WKU.EDU.  Long live FTP.PROCESS.COMi) Message-ID: <3AE52CC3.5CB61084@Omond.net>_   Hunter Goatley wrote:n  & > I no longer have anything to do with > MadGoat Software.r   *Yikes* !  The end of an era.i How sad.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:26:21 -0400p5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>a' Subject: Re: SAS on VMS vs Windoze 2000a2 Message-ID: <327lOkiYi5SxI8+RFCmkq=5PTcQL@4ax.com>  =     The big advantage I can see running SAS on the VMS servera= end is that you get to take advantage of the higher-end AlphaA	 hardware.C  A     If the server you plan on installing runs clustered with the l@ Oracle database server, then user authentication should be much  simpler as well.  @     If your server is already clustered and is running Parallel E Server, you might be able to upgrade your current systems and run SAS3B on there as well, thus reducing your network traffic.  Not knowing; your current load and configuration, this may or may not bem an good option.I  @     As far as where SAS actually runs, the load forecasting team= shouldn't really care, as long as they get accurate data in a  timely manner.  F     If you want me to look into this further, I certainly can, since I
 work for SAS.7   David R. BeattyH  0 On Sun, 22 Apr 2001 17:20:15 -0500, "Stuart, Ed"# <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote:   J >I've been asked to spec a SAS server for our load forecasting group.  OurL >production database servers run Oracle on OpenVMS, but the load forecastingG >team is very pro-Windoze.  I'm looking for pointers to help support myRK >argument.  Also, from what I can tell the interface to SAS on OpenVMS is X$= >based so I would have to include an x-term for the clients. t > % >Ed Stuart                            ) >Manager, Systems and Desktop Services	  3, >Information Technology & Telecommunications >City of Austin, Austin Energy >Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com  > , >"Glittering prizes and endless compromises 0 >shatter the illusion of integrity" - Neil Peart >EC >*Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here*c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:29:54 -0400h5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>e' Subject: Re: SAS on VMS vs Windoze 2000l2 Message-ID: <DHHlOicH0sGejKps9DGTerWUTYN2@4ax.com>  B Thanks for the kind words regarding SAS.  I agree that the display4 manager and command line modes are somewhat awkward.= It's probably because SAS originated on the mainframe and theL5 main development platform through V8.2 has been UNIX.    David R. Beatty8  D On 23 Apr 2001 19:26:42 -0500, becker@encompasserve.org (Jim Becker) wrote:   >In article <92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCCF3B63A@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>, "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> writes: L >> I've been asked to spec a SAS server for our load forecasting group.  OurN >> production database servers run Oracle on OpenVMS, but the load forecastingI >> team is very pro-Windoze.  I'm looking for pointers to help support my M >> argument.  Also, from what I can tell the interface to SAS on OpenVMS is X ? >> based so I would have to include an x-term for the clients. C >E >Hi Ed,R > 8 >We do a lot of SAS around here on both Windows and VMS. >S6 >There are several ways to use the VMS version of SAS:D >- X Windows as you say; any of the usual X solutions at the desktopF >will do -- X terminals, various Windows-based X emulators (ReflectionG >X, eXcursion, PC-Xware, etc.); pretty much the same interface as usingF >PC SAS8F >- "Non-interactive" (command-line) execution; $ sas myprog.sas runs aG >program you've previously created by any acceptable means for creatingl >a text fileE >- Horrid (IMO) display manager mode (screen-oriented, character-celleG >interface); I find this very awkward, but maybe it's just because I've-( >never really climbed the learning curveD >- Horrid (IMO) interactive line mode (command-line oriented, withinA >SAS); ditto previous comments on awkwardness and failure to haveT >climbed the learning curve." >- SAS/Connect; more on this below >EF >SAS/Connect is a cross-over component in which one SAS implementationF >talks to another. It lets PC SAS ship segments of code to SAS on someC >other box for execution (VMS SAS). Semi-transparently, SAS/ConnectkG >establishes a telnet connection to the Alpha, requiring a username andrF >password from the PC SAS user. We find that SAS/Connect isn't hard toC >learn for someone who knows PC SAS. The user must learn at least awD >little about VMS directory structures etc., but it hasn't been very@ >hard for them here (must be the excellent teacher they have who' >delivers a Using SAS on VMS class ;-).  >fF >The OOTB SAS/Connect connection script isn't very smart about expiredG >passwords. If you get to this point, I can send you my doctored script @ >that handles expired passwords. SAS/Connect also opens a secondC >connection, after getting authenticated over telnet; you can forcehD >this second connection to a particular port if necessary, so ask me >how if it matters later.; >rD >In our experience, VMS SAS far outperforms PC SAS for a given task,? >whether it's raw computation or massive I/O. This is on mostly&9 >recent-model PCs using local storage vs. an Alpha 4100. s >SF >We run NetWare file services as well, and we've found that PC SAS canG >bring a NetWare server to its knees. (I'm afraid I don't have the fullt >explanation as to why.) > @ >We also point out to our users that the Alpha offers unattendedD >execution, and that it leaves your PC free for other activities. PCE >SAS ties up your PC, especially if you're running something massive.&G >Even if you use SAS/Connect, all the action is on the Alpha; the PC is; >just the front end. >2E >SAS tech support for VMS is good. Their on-line knowledge base has abG >lot of VMS-specific articles. Their printed manual, _SAS Companion forn; >the OpenVMS Environment_, is informative. You can use some;G >VMS-specific modifiers for SAS operations (e.g. allocation quantities,n4 >default extension quantities, logical names, etc.). > G >In our experience, SAS has maintained excellent feature parity between; >the VMS and Windows versions. > 9 >SAS data sets are not compatible across platforms (local<E >floating-point representation etc.), but transport files aren't hardsD >to create. We find that people tend to gravitate their data sets toE >one side or the other and leave them there, so this doesn't actually7 >come up very often. >& >HTH   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:35:58 GMTsB From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>F Subject: Re: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of print6 Message-ID: <OqeF6.3158$QV4.263646@www.newsranger.com>  , On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:37:09 GMT, in article= <VNWC6.238$D4.16977@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley wrote:3 >7K >I am trying to find a copy of the ODS-2 specification, and yes, I am aware2 >of the McCoy book. :-)n >;G >According to Butterworth Heinemann (www.bh.com, the people who took on K >Digital Press) and local booksellers here in the UK, the McCoy book is out&
 >of print. >p   [...]b  J Thanks to everyone who replied. None of the places that you listed had theK McCoy book, so I ended up photocopying the information I needed in the files$ structure chapter from my work copy.  K I didn't try the out of print books option, as my experience with trying to4< obtain out of print technical books has not been positive...  K An question to the group: This time the person looking for this information;L (ie: me :-)) was lucky and had access to a copy. Does anybody have any ideasI about how we might preserve the information in this book in an accessable 7 form and what the copyright issues would be with this ?   D I put the question to Butterworth Heinemann, but it went unanswered.  M [I am aware of the project for preserving older DEC (ie: PDP-xx era) manuals,tD but this book is a commercial product and not part of a manual set.]   Simon.  M PS: I was surprised that the person at Foyles bookshop in London knew exactly L what VMS is. I've never encountered that before outside of Digital Press; myL routine usually includes: "the spelling is V-M-S and it's all one word". :-)   -- t; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPsJ 'The statement that "it can never happen" is not an acceptable programmingH approach. You must assume it can happen and be in control when it does.'=           -- Ada 95 Quality and Style Guidelines, US DoD AJPO-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:25:32 GMTb= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)sF Subject: Re: Sources of the ODS-2 specification; McCoy is out of print0 Message-ID: <009FB039.BCCAAB69@SendSpamHere.ORG>  { In article <OqeF6.3158$QV4.263646@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> writes:s- >On Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:37:09 GMT, in article&> ><VNWC6.238$D4.16977@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley wrote: >>L >>I am trying to find a copy of the ODS-2 specification, and yes, I am aware >>of the McCoy book. :-) >>H >>According to Butterworth Heinemann (www.bh.com, the people who took onL >>Digital Press) and local booksellers here in the UK, the McCoy book is out >>of print.& >> >b >[...] >bK >Thanks to everyone who replied. None of the places that you listed had thebL >McCoy book, so I ended up photocopying the information I needed in the file% >structure chapter from my work copy.p >bL >I didn't try the out of print books option, as my experience with trying to= >obtain out of print technical books has not been positive...1 >RL >An question to the group: This time the person looking for this informationM >(ie: me :-)) was lucky and had access to a copy. Does anybody have any ideas;J >about how we might preserve the information in this book in an accessable8 >form and what the copyright issues would be with this ?  K Copyright is of Digital Press and, since BH now owns DP, copyright would beb BH.  p    E >I put the question to Butterworth Heinemann, but it went unanswered.   K I don't want to start any unsubstantiated rumors but there may be a new andp? updated edition of this book in the not too far distant future.5     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMR            KO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.s   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 14:15:02 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)N@ Subject: Speaking of Multias (was: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version), Message-ID: <9c41p6$1bne$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  E I have one of the Multias that Island gave away (as a matter of fact,nE I am fairly certain I got the last one) and it really is looking likepF I will never have the time or money (it has no memory and I can't find8 it anywhere I can afford it) to ever make this box work.   Sooooo........  E Anybody interested in trading me something for it??  A QBUS SCSI cardn> or two, maybe??  I will have to stick with my PDP's and VAXen.   bill   -- pJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   &   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:55:34 +0100R% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>;K Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areab8 Message-ID: <ctdaetkso36153sd6glph3cu1jc348aelr@4ax.com>  / On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:29:31 GMT, pat jankowiak<$ <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net> wrote:  @ >complain complain.. Geez they give away a fun peice of gear andB >all people do is whine. I am not singling out Barry by any means,? >it's just that I have been lurking here in the CW mode, and it<> >just gets to me when people complain about stuff they get for5 >free. Personally, I would love to have an IPAQ for m/  E If a company can't handle customer moans whether valid or not then it-C has a serious problem. Doesn't mean they have to personally like toE= see all these complaints but, given past events, they must bemA expected.  If the howls of anguish are combined with constructiveeD suggestions and these suggestions are acted upon then I suggest that someone *is* listening.6  D At the time of the last financial report there was no mention of VMSE in the initial teleconf, little VMS coverage in Inform, no mainstreamd? VMS ads, Mike Winkler seemed to forget VMS existed and CapellasnB admitted the balance was wrong. We had been told for the last yearF that VMS would be increased in visibility outside its current customer base but *nothing happened*.  E Yesterday VMS was given high visibility by Capellas, Winkler has said > he has found VMS religion, Inform has a good proportion of VMSF content, VMS ads are running in the UK and Marcello has been promoted.  C Sounds as if someone listened but if you are suggesting that CompaqlD might get fed up and get out of VMS if the  complaints continue then= Microsoft must be so fed up they'll drop Windows any day now.   D This is a VMS group you know. Unless there's a VMS port for the iPAQF in the works it is no surprise that people would prefer an Alpha to anB iPAQ even for free! However if anyone wants to send me a free iPAQC pocket PC I promise not to complain as it is nice. The desktop iPAQ D might even be a way back onto our corporate desktop which used to beC all Digital/Compaq but is now IBM. Although as Compaq lost money on5E home and corporate desktops last quarter maybe they wouldn't thank me 
 for it :-)   Alan  FA >living-room. Right now I have a DEC 3000-400, which, despite its0? >excellence, takes up alot of desk/table space. For the 'living3< >room', and IPAQ would be perfect, maybe overkill (the alphaB >certainly is).. I just get e-mail and browse the web from there.  > ? >As for Rich, he does listen, if you are nice to him when y'all$ >talk..  >B >"Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:. >>   >> "Stuart, Ed" wrote: >> RO >> > Also, one of the lucky attendees will walk away with a Compaq IPAQ!!!!!!!!RO >> > Even if you don't care about what Rich has to say...come for the chance toR >> > win the IPAQ!!! >>  P >> An Ipuck?  What do you do what that?  Play hockey?  How about a real piece ofN >> equipment?   Perhaps even a fully loaded Alpha at least as a hobbyist tool? >>   >> Barry >> 5 >> --A >> nB >> Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO >> hD >> E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:45:11 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>K Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas area-= Message-ID: <bHdF6.33343$%_1.9369169@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:ctdaetkso36153sd6glph3cu1jc348aelr@4ax.com...1 > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 05:29:31 GMT, pat jankowiak.& > <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >WB > >complain complain.. Geez they give away a fun peice of gear andD > >all people do is whine. I am not singling out Barry by any means,A > >it's just that I have been lurking here in the CW mode, and it1@ > >just gets to me when people complain about stuff they get for7 > >free. Personally, I would love to have an IPAQ for m  >VG > If a company can't handle customer moans whether valid or not then it E > has a serious problem. Doesn't mean they have to personally like to ? > see all these complaints but, given past events, they must be C > expected.  If the howls of anguish are combined with constructivePF > suggestions and these suggestions are acted upon then I suggest that > someone *is* listening.. >0  H I suspect the point that Mr. Zool's close friend Pat J is making is thatJ Compaq will be more receptive to constructive suggestions than to howls ofJ anguish. Take the edu license... it at least is more (in Compaq's opinion)G that what was available a year ago. The most productive approach to thepI issue would be to tell Compaq "thanks, but the program would be much morePI effective and would attract more people to VMS if you added the followingO improvements..."  L Just my opinion, but remember that nobody likes to get beat up time and timeH again. The people who are in a position to change things at CPQ no doubtI take a dim view of the "whining," warranted or otherwise. That's just the0
 way it is.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:23:35 -0400s' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>IK Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areae( Message-ID: <9c427o$ert$1@pyrite.mv.net>  > "pat jankowiak" <vaxhackery@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message* news:3AE50E70.4A626D38@worldnet.att.net...A > complain complain.. Geez they give away a fun peice of gear andmC > all people do is whine. I am not singling out Barry by any means, @ > it's just that I have been lurking here in the CW mode, and it? > just gets to me when people complain about stuff they get forn > free.a  G You clearly don't understand the difference between complaining about atK somewhat inappropriate gift and worrying about the mind-set that might haveeH caused that inappropriateness.  That mind-set is what brought VMS to theL brink of being mothballed, and while recently there have been indications ofI a sea change at Compaq people still have very good reason to be worried -7H and to examine actions carefully to see just how real and pervasive that change may be.  L The fact that the choice seems in fact *not* to have been Compaq's makes the' issue far less potentially significant.r  0  Personally, I would love to have an IPAQ for myB > living-room. Right now I have a DEC 3000-400, which, despite its@ > excellence, takes up alot of desk/table space. For the 'living= > room', and IPAQ would be perfect, maybe overkill (the alpha B > certainly is).. I just get e-mail and browse the web from there. >a@ > As for Rich, he does listen, if you are nice to him when y'all > talk..  H He does indeed listen, but there have been enough cases where no visibleK action has taken place (and others, such as the education fiasco, where the I action has seemed to have little relationship to the input) for people to-; question the degree to which he is able to act effectively.y  J Again, there's reason to hope that any external constraints on his actionsH may be loosening.  But there have been enough false hopes and subsequentK disappointments for the VMS community over the past decade that significantdI sensitivity on its part is fully justified - and while Compaq hasn't beenrL responsible for most of that period, they've had close to three years at theL helm now to turn things around, which is at least two years too long to have0 waited if they're really interested in doing so.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:22:39 +0100y- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>SK Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas arear) Message-ID: <3AE58C2F.18DDEF2F@bbc.co.uk>i   Alan Greig wrote:r  G >  This is a VMS group you know. Unless there's a VMS port for the iPAQoH > in the works it is no surprise that people would prefer an Alpha to anD > iPAQ even for free! However if anyone wants to send me a free iPAQE > pocket PC I promise not to complain as it is nice. The desktop iPAQaF > might even be a way back onto our corporate desktop which used to beE > all Digital/Compaq but is now IBM. Although as Compaq lost money onvG > home and corporate desktops last quarter maybe they wouldn't thank mec > for it :-) >h > Alan >r   Alan,s  D A major UK services reseller told me I could have an iPaq if I addedG more machines to my contract. As I am not in a position to do that, thesE offer is moot, however, when is your service contract up for renewal?e   regards,    --t6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukl  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:36:28 -0400C' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> K Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas aread( Message-ID: <9c42vt$fvo$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 7 news:bHdF6.33343$%_1.9369169@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...w   ...m  J > I suspect the point that Mr. Zool's close friend Pat J is making is thatL > Compaq will be more receptive to constructive suggestions than to howls ofL > anguish. Take the edu license... it at least is more (in Compaq's opinion)I > that what was available a year ago. The most productive approach to the K > issue would be to tell Compaq "thanks, but the program would be much morewK > effective and would attract more people to VMS if you added the followingd > improvements..."  G Since those 'improvements' are precisely the things that were suggesteddC *before* the recent changes were made in the program, it's at least J reasonable to question why repeating them might be any more effective this time.M   > I > Just my opinion, but remember that nobody likes to get beat up time andm timeJ > again. The people who are in a position to change things at CPQ no doubtK > take a dim view of the "whining," warranted or otherwise. That's just theS > way it is.  L And customers will likely take a dim view of that reaction.  That's just theK way it is, too:  for some reason, they expect companies to be responsive toe= their needs, and if not tend to look for others that will be.i  B The reason Compaq has been criticized is because it has *not* beenJ responsive - sometimes even after promises to be more so.  DEC used up allJ the slack that VMS's owner was entitled to, and Compaq has done nothing toC generate any more that might make people more tolerant and patient.r  G The positive response people still have to even the suggestion that thetI situation might be changing is ample evidence that any effective moves bylK Compaq will be met with applause.  But Compaq shouldn't expect the applause  to precede the performance.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:35:30 +0100S% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>aK Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas arean8 Message-ID: <4c2betke9hvi88s0pe6d2ug23ldu8a81j2@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:45:11 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:     > I >I suspect the point that Mr. Zool's close friend Pat J is making is that K >Compaq will be more receptive to constructive suggestions than to howls ofoK >anguish. Take the edu license... it at least is more (in Compaq's opinion)fH >that what was available a year ago. The most productive approach to theJ >issue would be to tell Compaq "thanks, but the program would be much moreJ >effective and would attract more people to VMS if you added the following >improvements..."I  B I'm sure they do but say you had been beaten with a big stick in aC certain direction for years because you visited a certain spot withaC nice food. Instead you were forced to eat the standard MRE rations. C Now the guy with the stick dangles a carrot to lead you back to theoB nice food. Would you say "Thanks.  Can I have fries with that?" or something somewhat more direct?t  F Almost all of us who supported VMS in academia over the last ten years@ were pounded with that stick and, believe me, it hurt. If Compaq- understand this they will eventually succeed.   M >Just my opinion, but remember that nobody likes to get beat up time and timesI >again. The people who are in a position to change things at CPQ no doubtmJ >take a dim view of the "whining," warranted or otherwise. That's just the >way it is.  >u >w   -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 15:21:24 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)K Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas aread, Message-ID: <9c45lk$epq@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  t In article <bHdF6.33343$%_1.9369169@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:B >Take the edu license... it at least is more (in Compaq's opinion)H >that what was available a year ago. The most productive approach to theJ >issue would be to tell Compaq "thanks, but the program would be much moreJ >effective and would attract more people to VMS if you added the following >improvements..."   I Tried that, repeatedly,  with no success.  They really, honestly, _still_DJ have NO CLUE when it comes to academic computing.  They also operate on a , time scale that's so slow it's excruciating.  K By the way, the Sun I acquired to replace the VMS DS10 is up and running. IyH built this myself from a Sun Microelectronics motherboard and a bunch ofC off the shelf PC components.  So far, so good, and it appears to beoJ everything I wanted PC-VMS to be - except of course, it's not Alpha or VMSH :-(.  I'll run some benchmarks later and post them.  But first I have toA get tcp wrappers, tripwire, and the rest of the security nonsensecJ installed so that I can "safely" attach this to the network.  I'm going toB miss VMS security a lot.  Hey Andrew, everybody knows Solaris is aH reeking sewer hole of security problems, so why doesn't it at least ship with tcp wrappers in place?   M >Just my opinion, but remember that nobody likes to get beat up time and timeb >again.   G EXactly, like all the EX-, and soon to be EX-, customers who see littletJ reason to stick with this company.  Compaq's products are not as EXciting G as they seem to think they are, but they are EXceedingly EXpensive, andt1 dealing with the company itself is EXcruciating! T  I If Q management can't take the heat they can get out of the kitchen - or   out of business.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech  J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:33:52 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>nK Subject: Re: Talk to Rich Marcello, but DOES HE LISTEN? - Austin Texas areaX( Message-ID: <3AE5B900.BF2A239D@mmaz.com>  
 Hello Pat.   pat jankowiak wrote:  B > certainly is).. I just get e-mail and browse the web from there. > @ > As for Rich, he does listen, if you are nice to him when y'all > talk..  Q I believe the issue was two-fold.  The token gift targeted at a VMS group and theDQ second, how the head of the VMS group is perceived as to having his finger on theaO pulse of the needs, wants, and desires of those people and reacting properly tos that input.p  I Since I believe both of these are tightly related, my sarcasm is simply aaN reflection of years of frustration and irritation generated from a company nowS profound with stating one thing regarding VMS and the architectures is runs on, andwP doing another; if they were not in business I would swear they were in politics!  S Dealing with specifics, the IPAQ.  Is this a nice gift?  Perhaps.  Would I ever buy S one?  No.  Why?  Because it does not solve a business or home hobbyist solution!  IaO have a network of 11 networked computers at home, ranging from three VAXes, two P Alphas, an NT server, a Novell server, several Linux servers, several Windows 98K desktops, and a Windows 2000 laptop.  Now that may not qualify as hard-coreeM hobbyist, but frankly I do not have room, or power, for a 'token-gift' that I5Q cannot directly benefit from!  Now if Compaq had offered, as mentioned earlier byaR another poster, a DS10 configured with dual or tri-boot for VMS, Tru-64, and LinuxR along with all of the layered software you could never use, I'd be in heaven and IR challenge you do find anyone on this list that would take an IPAQ over a DS10.  IsQ that DS10 going to cost Compaq more?  Sure, but isn't Compaq charging us more fortQ VMS than they are for Windows?  Remember this age old debate?  Allow me to draw ahN different analogy.  You purchase a Ford and they give you a set of 4 nosebleedR tickets to your local baseball team.  Big deal, not a major expense on their part,O but it is a token thank you for your business.  However, if you purchase a BMW,sQ that type of token gift is not appropriate, unlike front row or box tickets to annP NBA game.  Will the basketball tickets cost more?  Sure, but so did the BMW when  compared do the price of a Ford.  O As for using sugar rather than bile, you presume that the attempts to work witheQ Compaq have been aggressive and harsh from the start.  This is a false assumptiontR and if you had been following the list as closely as you have indicated, you wouldQ have seen that it was not I who stated not to expect much from Mr. Marcello, only,S that I had confirmed from recent experiences that promises from that arena producede8 nothing and that prior accusations apparently had merit.   Regards,   Barryo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:15:36 +0300 ) From: "Iris Green" <iris.green@intel.com> P Subject: Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files* Message-ID: <9c3jo8$aje@news.or.intel.com>   Yes!   And I have also tried:  - $ pipe sho system | sear sys$input text > nl:r  < And that just create an empty file, in the same name format.   Iris Green.k  - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in message " news:9c1v0u$7l3$1@news.IAEhv.nl...B > Does the same happen when you use SYS$PIPE instead of SYS$INPUT? >m > Hans Vlems >t4 > Iris Green <iris.green@intel.com> wrote in message& > news:9c17tk$jda@news.or.intel.com...
 > > Hi there,l > >,E > > We use the pipe command extensively inside DCL procedures, in thew > followingc > > way:+ > > $ pipe sho system | sear sys$input texte > >aG > > In some of our clusters that cause a DCL$OUTPUT_xxxx.LOG file to bey	 > created J > > upon any pipe command (the xxxx stands for the sub-process ID that the > pipe8 > > creates). This file contain only the search results. > > G > > We could not find what cause this file to be created, and why it isR	 > createds! > > only on some of our clusters.w > >e > >! > > Any ideas? > >? > > Thank in advance-h > >P > > Iris Green ;-) > >r > >i >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:29:59 +0300o) From: "Iris Green" <iris.green@intel.com>BP Subject: Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files* Message-ID: <9c3ndh$c05@news.or.intel.com>  L 1. Using "SHOW SYSTEM/PROC={proc_name}" Won't give the desired output, as inK most cases we check the $status, and this will be always "%X10000001", evenjI when process does not exist. Only the search command inside the pipe wille give the desired answer.L 2. The VMS version is: OpenVMS V7.1, BUT this is the same version we have in4 other cluster, where this phenomena does not happen.  L Other inputs: This only happens when running the CP in a batch mode with the SUBMIT command.t   I'll continue investigating....    Thanks-w
 Iris Green  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messagerF news:rdeininger-2304011016160001@user-2ive774.dialup.mindspring.com...9 > In article <9c17tk$jda@news.or.intel.com>, "Iris Green"  > <iris.green@intel.com> wrote:o >lE > > We use the pipe command extensively inside DCL procedures, in the 	 followinga > > way:+ > > $ pipe sho system | sear sys$input texte >DL > In this particular case, you might want to look at SHOW SYSTEM/SEARCH, andK > avoid the pipe command.  You'll save the cost of creating the subprocess,m. > and probably get the functionality you need. >uG > > In some of our clusters that cause a DCL$OUTPUT_xxxx.LOG file to be  createduJ > > upon any pipe command (the xxxx stands for the sub-process ID that the pipe8 > > creates). This file contain only the search results. >f2 > I can't duplicate this.  What version(s) of VMS? >( > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Apr 2001 00:01:53 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>P Subject: Re: using a pipe command into a CP creates DCL$OUTPUT_xxxxxxx.LOG files- Message-ID: <877l0ap9qm.fsf@prep.synonet.com>t  + "Iris Green" <iris.green@intel.com> writes:i  C > We use the pipe command extensively inside DCL procedures, in thea8 > following way: $ pipe sho system | sear sys$input text  E > In some of our clusters that cause a DCL$OUTPUT_xxxx.LOG file to be,D > created upon any pipe command (the xxxx stands for the sub-process> > ID that the pipe creates). This file contain only the search
 > results.  E > We could not find what cause this file to be created, and why it isr' > created only on some of our clusters.s  , Do a SET HOST/LOG to the system, and log in.   SET WATCH FILE/CLASS=MAJOR  D then run the comand procedure. Look for the file ID of the temp file- in the log, that should pin down the culprit.h   -- n< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov n   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 11:06:59 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) Q Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analysts conferencev. Message-ID: <4stqOIZeftvA@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  R In article <3AE4B646.721F4FFC@virgin.net>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:D > In answer to a question from the floor, which asked about Compaq'sG > commitment to Alpha operating platforms given that it had dropped NT,eH > Michael Capellas gave an upbeat message about OpenVMS. He seemed  wellH > briefed and obviously aware that he needed to send a clear message. HeE > said that VMS continued to grow, mentioned the Galaxy architecture,,E > web enablement strategies etc. He pointed to its leading clusteringbH > capabilities and the fact that it was an extremely stable environment. > E > Capellas went on to mention that it runs very many mission criticalhF > apps especially in markets such as hospitals and defence and that it@ > was extremely important in very sensitive areas.  OpenVMS will3 > continue to be developed and the market expanded.s > G > He also addressed their entire O/S strategy in answer to the questioniE > and I think the picture presented was coherent.  I have a suspicionnF > that the question might have been a plant (it was the last question)F > but that's not an uncommon way of putting out an additional message.  O Hey, I wouldn't care if half the audience consisted of shills, if vms promotiont was the result!      > E > The financial results themselves were in line with Compaq's revised-F > projections. Biggest problem area is PC sales (consumer and desktop)? > which lost $82 million. ISSG (high end Intel servers) remainsS > profitable however.x > @ > It's looking more like Compaq are really beginning to look andC > understand what VMS is and what it can do. Hopefully the US mightrA > start seeing VMS ads as we in the UK are now seeing.  They havee= > undoubtedly raised the profile outside of the customer base  > considerably.  >  > -- > Alan Greig >  >  -- mO ===============================================================================rM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxC: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O ===============================================================================eB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:15:19 +0100r- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>eP Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference) Message-ID: <3AE58A77.A39E0E65@bbc.co.uk>e   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:o  O >  Despite the inevitable consolidation in the market, the Unix Confederacy, or1) > a portion thereof, continues to thrive.@  H I wonder why? Nothing to do with the prevalence on *nix in the technical: teaching environment for the past decade or so, I suppose?  --y6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukr  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Apr 2001 15:14:57 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)lP Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference, Message-ID: <9c459h$1e1h$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  ) In article <3AE58A77.A39E0E65@bbc.co.uk>,o0  Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes: |>   |>   |> "Terry C. Shannon" wrote: |> tR |> >  Despite the inevitable consolidation in the market, the Unix Confederacy, or, |> > a portion thereof, continues to thrive. |> iK |> I wonder why? Nothing to do with the prevalence on *nix in the technicalt= |> teaching environment for the past decade or so, I suppose?g  D Some of us tried to find solutions to this situation.  Sadly, peopleC would rather spend their time knocking UNIX (like that is likely tosE have even a minimal effect on the problem) than establishing concretea programs to combat it.   bill   -- ,J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 17:58:02 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>kP Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconferenceH Message-ID: <y4eluiguid.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  # Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> writes:q  4 > a 1GHz VAX would run circles around a 1GHz alpha.   J Nonsense. You even have experimental data to check: the last VAX chip, theJ NVAX+, was in the same process as the 21064. They had a max. frequency andL performance differential of a factor of 2 - to the disadvantage of the VAX. = And that VAX chip was quite a brainiac compared to the 21064.j  J John Mashey would be turning in his grave at your words, but fortuntely he is still alive (AFAIK).    	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:10:50 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation8 Message-ID: <vkgaetoorai9oe6fb23f7s0ivn98o8gcc4@4ax.com>  A On 23 Apr 2001 20:40:19 GMT, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (Davidp Mathog) wrote:  u >In article <gkZE6.31794$%_1.8894245@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  >>4 >>"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message >>> 8 >>> And VMS would be such an ideal platform for SAP too. >>>i >>N >>As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious to this fact, butG >>those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would never bedI >>amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and affordably K >>do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQ would go aheada >>and do it. >oH >Not necessarily.  It would not suprise me if Digital and/or Compaq haveL >manged to piss off the wrong people at SAP and are now being given the cold  F Compaq use SAP themselves. Does anyone know on which platform (O/S and
 database)?  K >shoulder.  At the very least, since there is a pretty hefty overlap now in M >Oracle and SAP's target markets, one can imagine that the folks at SAP have yQ >been none too pleased with the extent of Digital/Compaq's sucking up to Oracle.   >2	 >Regards,r > 
 >David Mathogi >mathog@caltech.eduM@ >Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech K >**************************************************************************eK >*                                RIP VMS                                 *sK >**************************************************************************n   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:16:16 +0100o% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>h. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation8 Message-ID: <isgaet489b9eg5uhj4k2v5ou622nutsrsi@4ax.com>  C On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:06:02 -0400, William_Bochnik@acml.com wrote:e   >TB >Went nowhere?  My old company was running SAP on VMS circa 1992/3B >ish, and then dumped it for SAP on DUnix when they got the "hint"B >that new releases came out on UNIX first, then other os's such as >VMS.i  ? A few years ago at a Compaq session in Litigation (Edinburgh) a F customer from a very large UK multinational stood up and said they hadE been pushed by DEC towards SAP on Unix away from SAP on VMS. Now thatcE they were running this combo they seriously missed their VMS systems.p? The speaker could only reply: "I can't really comment on that".h   Alan   >  >u >ys >                                                                                                                   s >                    "Terry C.                                                                                     ts >                    Shannon"                         To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                                    s >                    <terryshannon@med                cc:                                                          ss >                    iaone.net>               Subject:     Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation                   hs >                                                                                                                   s >                    04/23/2001 04:47                                                                              ss >                    PM                                                                                             s >                                                                                                                  *s >                                                                                                                  @ >z >m >  >j@ >"David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message' >news:9c23vj$g9a@gap.cco.caltech.edu...a@ >> In article <gkZE6.31794$%_1.8894245@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,
 >"Terry C.- >Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:f >> >6 >> >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message >> >> : >> >> And VMS would be such an ideal platform for SAP too. >> >>M >> >A >> >As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious too >this fact,i >but@ >> >those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would	 >never ber@ >> >amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and >affordablym> >> >do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQ >would go aheade >> >and do it. >>> >> Not necessarily.  It would not suprise me if Digital and/or >Compaq have? >> manged to piss off the wrong people at SAP and are now beinga
 >given the >coldt >> shoulder. >i> >There was talk of VMS and SAP back as early as 1993-4, but it >went nowhere.' >Hence it is a "preexisting condition."b >nB >> At the very least, since there is a pretty hefty overlap now inB >> Oracle and SAP's target markets, one can imagine that the folks >at SAPe >havee< >> been none too pleased with the extent of Digital/Compaq's >sucking up to >Oracle. >> >y@ >Indeed. Perhaps as displeased as the good folks in Redmond must	 >be theser
 >days! ;-} >g >' >a >5 >a >tG >______________________________________________________________________b > ; >The information contained in this transmission may containM= >privileged and confidential information and is intended onlyu= >for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the = >intended recipient,  or an employee or agent responsible forh@ >delivering this message to the intended recipient,  any review,A >dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communicationl? >is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,aB >please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy$ >all copies of the original message.   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:09:37 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>f. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation8 Message-ID: <n1kaetcjuoqoi60tngkbj2c8v93em0f6os@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:16:16 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  wrote:  D >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:06:02 -0400, William_Bochnik@acml.com wrote: >  >>C >>Went nowhere?  My old company was running SAP on VMS circa 1992/3sC >>ish, and then dumped it for SAP on DUnix when they got the "hint"vC >>that new releases came out on UNIX first, then other os's such as  >>VMS. > @ >A few years ago at a Compaq session in Litigation (Edinburgh) a  C Eeek that should read Livingston not Litigation. I laughed when thec= spell checker suggested replacing Livingston with Litigation.-3 Unfortunately I must have clicked the wrong button.5    G >customer from a very large UK multinational stood up and said they hadpF >been pushed by DEC towards SAP on Unix away from SAP on VMS. Now thatF >they were running this combo they seriously missed their VMS systems.@ >The speaker could only reply: "I can't really comment on that". >  >Alani >  >> >> >>t >>                                                                                                                  t >>                    "Terry C.                                                                                     t >>                    Shannon"                         To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                                   t >>                    <terryshannon@med                cc:                                                          t >>                    iaone.net>               Subject:     Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation                   t >>                                                                                                                  t >>                    04/23/2001 04:47                                                                              t >>                    PM                                                                                            t >>                                                                                                                  t >>                                                                                                                   >> >> >> >>A >>"David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in messages( >>news:9c23vj$g9a@gap.cco.caltech.edu...A >>> In article <gkZE6.31794$%_1.8894245@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,e >>"Terry C.i. >>Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >>> >V7 >>> >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message  >>> >>; >>> >> And VMS would be such an ideal platform for SAP too.t >>> >> >>> >sB >>> >As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious to >>this fact, >>butiA >>> >those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would"
 >>never beA >>> >amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and1 >>affordably? >>> >do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQc >>would go ahead >>> >and do it.n >>>o? >>> Not necessarily.  It would not suprise me if Digital and/orL
 >>Compaq have @ >>> manged to piss off the wrong people at SAP and are now being >>given the  >>cold
 >>> shoulder., >>? >>There was talk of VMS and SAP back as early as 1993-4, but itc >>went nowhere.a( >>Hence it is a "preexisting condition." >>C >>> At the very least, since there is a pretty hefty overlap now inuC >>> Oracle and SAP's target markets, one can imagine that the folksn >>at SAP >>have= >>> been none too pleased with the extent of Digital/Compaq'sa >>sucking up too	 >>Oracle.t >>>a >>A >>Indeed. Perhaps as displeased as the good folks in Redmond must(
 >>be these >>days! ;-}r >> >> >> >> >> >>H >>______________________________________________________________________ >>< >>The information contained in this transmission may contain> >>privileged and confidential information and is intended only> >>for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the> >>intended recipient,  or an employee or agent responsible forA >>delivering this message to the intended recipient,  any review,hB >>dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication@ >>is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,C >>please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy.% >>all copies of the original message.e   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:15:42 GMTr4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation= Message-ID: <O7eF6.33348$%_1.9381757@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e  2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:n1kaetcjuoqoi60tngkbj2c8v93em0f6os@4ax.com...E > On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:16:16 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  > wrote: >nF > >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 18:06:02 -0400, William_Bochnik@acml.com wrote: > >C > >>E > >>Went nowhere?  My old company was running SAP on VMS circa 1992/3cE > >>ish, and then dumped it for SAP on DUnix when they got the "hint"vE > >>that new releases came out on UNIX first, then other os's such as  > >>VMS. > >hB > >A few years ago at a Compaq session in Litigation (Edinburgh) a >oE > Eeek that should read Livingston not Litigation. I laughed when the ? > spell checker suggested replacing Livingston with Litigation.F5 > Unfortunately I must have clicked the wrong button.   L No doubt you had a U.S.-developed spell czecher. Many things in this country are replaced by litigation.m   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 17:29:03 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>h. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvationH Message-ID: <y4k84agvuo.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:  N > As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious to this fact, butG > those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would never bepI > amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and affordablyxK > do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQ would go aheadv > and do it.  L Given the price of SAP, and the potential market, I wonder what type of crapJ the SAP code is that porting it should be so difficult. I'd really like toK know that, given that SAP supports what - at least several different Unicese, and probably some of the IBM 370 & Co. OSes.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:54:13 +0100s% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>h. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation8 Message-ID: <br3bet4jfa3fklm3obijg8ui9nco59vio2@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:15:42 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon"" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:   >d3 >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message   C >> >A few years ago at a Compaq session in Litigation (Edinburgh) ae >>F >> Eeek that should read Livingston not Litigation. I laughed when the@ >> spell checker suggested replacing Livingston with Litigation.6 >> Unfortunately I must have clicked the wrong button. >sM >No doubt you had a U.S.-developed spell czecher. Many things in this country= >are replaced by litigation.  E Damn right I had. For some unfathomable reason Forte Agent newsreader-E switches my spell checker back to US English every time even though InD have the default set to UK (International) English. It never used toB do this. Probably stores it in the NT registry or something. I can. manually switch but it's a pain every message.  B I think it's a Microsoft plot to force us all to say "color". NextB week the Dan Quail special with added "e" Oops that's already been- done as a prefix hasn't it. Now I understand.   F Btw,  the previous European edition of Inform had a picture of a bunchD of ravers on the cover to illustrate the new "e" economy. Presumably: once you've swallowed enough even Microsoft seem cuddly :)   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:14:04 -0400o* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>5 Subject: Where is the REAL Cool OpenVMS Merchandise ?t9 Message-ID: <__eF6.177862$lj4.5323687@news6.giganews.com>   1 Just happened to brows through the OpenVMS eStore,  1 [FYI: http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/ovms.cfm ]   F and the selection of "Cool" stuff is seriously lacking.... it would be9 very nice to have other things there besides a 'backpack'pC and a 'portfolio'.... (and, personally, the Freeware CD should ALSO- be listed under "Cool Stuff").  < Of course, a definition of "cool stuff" would be required.    (     Coffee mugs, pens, flashlights, etc.  G [How about an OpenVMS poster or two even - "Trillions/Billions Served"]    -Andy-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:28:01 GMTu% From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se>a9 Subject: Re: Where is the REAL Cool OpenVMS Merchandise ?i2 Message-ID: <3AE58DA4.71B88242@byron.ext.telia.se>  ) It's not available for external browsing:>  < This site is only accessible through the link pages found at WWW.OPENVMS.COMPAQ.COM ori WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COM (cpq)s     /P.Lje       Andy Stoffel wrote:i  3 > Just happened to brows through the OpenVMS eStorea >r3 > [FYI: http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/ovms.cfm ]t > H > and the selection of "Cool" stuff is seriously lacking.... it would be; > very nice to have other things there besides a 'backpack' E > and a 'portfolio'.... (and, personally, the Freeware CD should ALSOu  > be listed under "Cool Stuff"). >f< > Of course, a definition of "cool stuff" would be required. >|* >     Coffee mugs, pens, flashlights, etc. >-I > [How about an OpenVMS poster or two even - "Trillions/Billions Served"]o >u > -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:50:58 -0400i* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>9 Subject: Re: Where is the REAL Cool OpenVMS Merchandise ?t9 Message-ID: <NpgF6.177951$lj4.5327632@news6.giganews.com>s  0 "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se> wrote in message, news:3AE58DA4.71B88242@byron.ext.telia.se... >t+ > It's not available for external browsing:s > > > This site is only accessible through the link pages found at > WWW.OPENVMS.COMPAQ.COM ora > WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COM (cpq)f  @ As the saying goes....... "Oops.... sorry. Hadn't noticed. Could4 have sworn I was able to use that link by itself..."  ? But the following DOES work (at least for me, YMMV, & of course 2 it will break RSN and should be relied upon. %-)):  G http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/webpage.cfm?&did=30&webpage_id=167V   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:54:27 -0400.* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>9 Subject: Re: Where is the REAL Cool OpenVMS Merchandise ?l9 Message-ID: <2tgF6.177958$lj4.5328374@news6.giganews.com>   5 "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> wrote in messageA3 news:NpgF6.177951$lj4.5327632@news6.giganews.com...  >>2 > "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se> wrote in message. > news:3AE58DA4.71B88242@byron.ext.telia.se... > > - > > It's not available for external browsing:  > >e@ > > This site is only accessible through the link pages found at > > WWW.OPENVMS.COMPAQ.COM oru! > > WWW.OPENVMS.DIGITAL.COM (cpq)  >>B > As the saying goes....... "Oops.... sorry. Hadn't noticed. Could6 > have sworn I was able to use that link by itself..." >uA > But the following DOES work (at least for me, YMMV, & of coursen4 > it will break RSN and should be relied upon. %-)):   Sorry, in the line above....   SUB/should/should not/  I > http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/webpage.cfm?&did=30&webpage_id=167t >h > -Andy- >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:32:47 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>d" Subject: [Change topic] SAP on VMS) Message-ID: <3AE52C1E.620D10D3@Omond.net>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:t  A > "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in messaget( > news:9c23vj$g9a@gap.cco.caltech.edu...K > > In article <gkZE6.31794$%_1.8894245@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.I. > Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > >*7 > > >"Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message* > > >>; > > >> And VMS would be such an ideal platform for SAP too.p > > >> > > > M > > >As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious to this fact,f > butrJ > > >those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would never beL > > >amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and affordablyN > > >do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQ would go ahead > > >and do it.i > >nK > > Not necessarily.  It would not suprise me if Digital and/or Compaq havesJ > > manged to piss off the wrong people at SAP and are now being given the > cold
 > > shoulder.o > M > There was talk of VMS and SAP back as early as 1993-4, but it went nowhere.r( > Hence it is a "preexisting condition."  ' I'm fairly sure it pre-dates the above.i  D I used to head the IT environment at the EMBL in Heidelberg in thoseC days.  SAP headquarters are a mere 15 minutes drive from Heidelberg B (Walldorf, for those that want to know).  The way I recall it from< insider information from the DEC Mannheim office: DEC placedA a good few bodies on-site in Walldorf, together with some big VAX E (I don't recall what it was, but given that it was a VAX implies that @ it predates Alpha, though my memory is rather vague about this).? The DEC bodies on-site were constantly complaining (not openly) A about the lack of "openness" from SAP, thus effectivel scuppering ? the development on VMS.  It might have been that the "level" ofo; personnel put on-site was too low (DEC Mannheim was a small > office and certainly didn't have much in-depth VMS wizardry to tap).   ' The rest, as they say, is just history.3  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:20:22 +0100  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> & Subject: Re: [Change topic] SAP on VMS) Message-ID: <3AE53745.864147D4@Omond.net>   ( (sorry for following up to my own post).  C How odd.  This generated the following "reply".  "Dirty words" ????    --- O Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action taken. ) Date:     Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:43:34 -0600g3 From:     System Attendant <MAILMAN-SA@StorNet.com>n( To:        "'Roy Omond'" <Roy@Omond.net>  9 Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content.,  , Place = Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com; ; ; Roy Omond Sender = Roy Omond# Subject = [Change topic] SAP on VMS 1 Delivery Time = April 24, 2001 (Tuesday) 01:43:32c Policy = Dirty Words( Action on this mail = Quarantine message  # Warning message from administrator:l7 Sender, Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:15:03 +0100-% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>d& Subject: Re: [Change topic] SAP on VMS8 Message-ID: <hbkaetklj7ap3l21l1g0r2iq0t1pi2ikje@4ax.com>  D On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:20:22 +0100, Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> wrote:  ) >(sorry for following up to my own post).f >hD >How odd.  This generated the following "reply".  "Dirty words" ????  ? It doesn't like the quoted "p i s s  o f f" Obviously people atuC StorNet.com must be protected. I suspect it would blow up just like>F the mad computers in the original Star Trek if I sent it Eminem lyrics :)   >---P >Subject: ScanMail Message: To Sender, sensitive content found and action taken.* >Date:     Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:43:34 -06004 >From:     System Attendant <MAILMAN-SA@StorNet.com>) >To:        "'Roy Omond'" <Roy@Omond.net>  >t: >Trend SMEX Content Filter has detected sensitive content. >_- >Place = Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com; ; ; Roy Omond_ >Sender = Roy Omondi$ >Subject = [Change topic] SAP on VMS2 >Delivery Time = April 24, 2001 (Tuesday) 01:43:32 >Policy = Dirty Wordso) >Action on this mail = Quarantine messageb >.$ >Warning message from administrator:8 >Sender, Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail. >h >m >a >t >h   -- Alan   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Apr 2001 23:44:03 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>& Subject: Re: [Change topic] SAP on VMS- Message-ID: <87g0eypakc.fsf@prep.synonet.com>l  ! Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> writes:t  F > It might have been that the "level" of personnel put on-site was tooE > low (DEC Mannheim was a small office and certainly didn't have mucht  > in-depth VMS wizardry to tap).  F Now that would be just plain stupid... Even if they knew nothibg aboutC VMS, pluging the questions into the internal Notes files would veryt; quickly get you an answer. Or at least some more questions.c   -- m< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:42:23 +0200g! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>l9 Subject: Re: [PERSO] ingliche rereading no more requestedm& Message-ID: <3AE52E5F.A370E131@ims.ch>  F believe me or not, but I got four answers. Three of them came from Oz.   D.   Phil Howell wrote: > K > Obviously VMS is so stable that system managers have time to be freelanceo > help proofreaders :)  F believe me or not, but I got four answers. Three of them came from Oz.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:25:38 +0200 ! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>TE Subject: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again) % Message-ID: <3AE554A2.35783B1@ims.ch>    Waddya think about this?   ISLKP2_dmo> set def sys$manager  ISLKP2_dmo> dir sylogin.com    Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]  N SYLOGIN.COM;1                               13/18      21-APR-2001 18:49:36.45   Total of 1 file, 13/18 blocks.   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]   N SYLOGIN.COM;10                              13/18      21-APR-2001 18:49:26.92N SYLOGIN.COM;9                               13/18      12-APR-2001 14:38:58.71N SYLOGIN.TEMPLATE;1                          12/18       2-SEP-1997 17:20:42.82   Total of 3 files, 38/54 blocks.   4 Grand total of 2 directories, 4 files, 51/72 blocks. ISLKP2_dmo> set ver  ISLKP2_dmo> @UPDATE_SYLOGIN.COM 
 $ set noon $ close/nolog in $ close/nolog out  $ purge="purge"  $ rename="rename" . $ spec_log = "sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]sylogin.com". $ comm_log =  "sys$common:[sysmgr]sylogin.com"  $ if f$search(spec_log) .nes. "" $ thenP $    if f$search("sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]sylogin.com;-1") .nes. "" then purge/log s ys$sysroot:[sysmgr]sylogin.comF %PURGE-I-FILPURG, SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SYLOGIN.COM;9 deleted (18 blocks)/ $    spec_cre_dat = f$file_att(spec_log,"cdt") C $ endif    "  $ if f$search(comm_log) .nes. "" $ thenP $    if f$search("sys$common:[sysmgr]sylogin.com;-1") .nes. "" then purge/log sy s$common:[sysmgr]sylogin.com/ $    comm_cre_dat = f$file_att(comm_log,"cdt") i $ endiftH $ write sys$output "specific SYLOGIN.COM creation date is ",spec_cre_dat= specific SYLOGIN.COM creation date is 21-APR-2001 18:49:36.45eH $ write sys$output "common   SYLOGIN.COM creation date is ",comm_cre_dat= common   SYLOGIN.COM creation date is 21-APR-2001 18:49:26.92e8 $ if f$cvtime(spec_cre_dat) .gts. f$cvtime(comm_cre_dat) $ then3 $    rename/log sys$common:[sysmgr]sylogin.com .olddP %RENAME-I-RENAMED, SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SYLOGIN.COM;10 renamed to SYS$COMMON:[SYSM GR]SYLOGIN.OLD;1 $ else $ endifu ../..   L How come the purge/log sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]sylogin.com can purge the file in
 sys$common???    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:27:31 +0200t! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>eI Subject: Re: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)e& Message-ID: <3AE55513.6813A402@ims.ch>   Becauset   ISLKP2_dmo> sh log sys$sysroot7    "SYS$SYSROOT" = "$1$DGA1:[SYS0.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)e         = "SYS$COMMON:"s@ 1  "SYS$COMMON" = "$1$DGA1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   I'm getting really old._   Didier Morandi wrote:_ >  _N > How come the purge/log sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]sylogin.com can purge the file in > sys$common???    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:35:01 -0400e2 From: "Kent, Philip  JW1811" <kent@jwfc.jfcom.mil>I Subject: RE: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again) H Message-ID: <5B57189920E7D41190B500606D210686011A69EF@mailsvr.jfcom.mil>  ( Your question has already been answered:- SYS$COMMON   points to the common system roota3 SYS$SPECIFIC points to the specific system root and J SYS$SYSROOT  points to first the specific root and then to the common root  L The affect is that if you are wanting to create or access a specific file inA SYS$SYSROOT then the system will try and access the file first inoK SYS$SPECIFIC, and secondly in SYS$COMMON, if it finds in neither directory, I it will create it in the SYS$SPECIFIC directory.  Purges and deletes of an# file will affect both directories. e  6 In your command file, you will want to set spec_log to" "sys$specific:[sysmgr]sylogin.com"  	 Blessings0   Phil Kent  (philip.kent@compaq(r   -----Original Message-----( From: Didier Morandi [mailto:DMo@ims.ch]% Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 6:26 AMp To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com E Subject: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)n     Waddya think about this?   ISLKP2_dmo> set def sys$managerp ISLKP2_dmo> dir sylogin.comn   Directory SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]  B SYLOGIN.COM;1                               13/18      21-APR-2001 18:49:36.45c   Total of 1 file, 13/18 blocks.   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]e  B SYLOGIN.COM;10                              13/18      21-APR-2001 18:49:26.92sB SYLOGIN.COM;9                               13/18      12-APR-2001 14:38:58.71 B SYLOGIN.TEMPLATE;1                          12/18       2-SEP-1997 17:20:42.82r   Total of 3 files, 38/54 blocks.:  4 Grand total of 2 directories, 4 files, 51/72 blocks. ISLKP2_dmo> set vern ISLKP2_dmo> @UPDATE_SYLOGIN.COM>
 $ set noon $ close/nolog in $ close/nolog out> $ purge="purge"o $ rename="rename"a. $ spec_log = "sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]sylogin.com". $ comm_log =  "sys$common:[sysmgr]sylogin.com"  $ if f$search(spec_log) .nes. "" $ thenD $    if f$search("sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]sylogin.com;-1") .nes. "" then purge/log su ys$sysroot:[sysmgr]sylogin.comF %PURGE-I-FILPURG, SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SYLOGIN.COM;9 deleted (18 blocks)/ $    spec_cre_dat = f$file_att(spec_log,"cdt")   $ endif    i  $ if f$search(comm_log) .nes. "" $ thenC $    if f$search("sys$common:[sysmgr]sylogin.com;-1") .nes. "" thent purge/log sy s$common:[sysmgr]sylogin.com/ $    comm_cre_dat = f$file_att(comm_log,"cdt") - $ endif-H $ write sys$output "specific SYLOGIN.COM creation date is ",spec_cre_dat= specific SYLOGIN.COM creation date is 21-APR-2001 18:49:36.45iH $ write sys$output "common   SYLOGIN.COM creation date is ",comm_cre_dat= common   SYLOGIN.COM creation date is 21-APR-2001 18:49:26.92o8 $ if f$cvtime(spec_cre_dat) .gts. f$cvtime(comm_cre_dat) $ then3 $    rename/log sys$common:[sysmgr]sylogin.com .oldn? %RENAME-I-RENAMED, SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SYLOGIN.COM;10 renamed too SYS$COMMON:[SYSM GR]SYLOGIN.OLD;1 $ else $ endifr ./..  L How come the purge/log sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]sylogin.com can purge the file in
 sys$common???o   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:11:18 +0200n! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> I Subject: Re: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)w& Message-ID: <3AE57B76.BB0D8FDC@ims.ch>   "Kent, Philip JW1811" wrote: > * > Your question has already been answered:/ > SYS$COMMON   points to the common system rootn5 > SYS$SPECIFIC points to the specific system root anduL > SYS$SYSROOT  points to first the specific root and then to the common root  2 I should have thought of that one. Thank you Kent.  J By that time, I fixed another bug coming when one of the two files doesn't4 exist. Which gives now (the full procedure version):  ! ISLKP2_dmo> ty update_sylogin.comn
 $ set noon $ close/nolog in $ close/nolog outs $ delete="delete"  $ purge="purge"e $ rename="rename"c5 $ spec_log = "sys$sysdevice:[sys0.sysmgr]sylogin.com" ? $ comm_log = "sys$sysdevice:[sys0.syscommon.sysmgr]sylogin.com"c% $ there_is_a_file_in_sys$specific = 0h( $ there_is_also_a_file_in_sys$common = 0  $ if f$search(spec_log) .nes. "" $ thenE $    if f$search("''spec_log';-1") .nes. "" then purge/log 'spec_log'I/ $    spec_cre_dat = f$file_att(spec_log,"cdt")  K $    write sys$output "specific SYLOGIN.COM creation date is ",spec_cre_datn( $    there_is_a_file_in_sys$specific = 1 $ endif    n  $ if f$search(comm_log) .nes. "" $ thenE $    if f$search("''comm_log';-1") .nes. "" then purge/log 'comm_log'a/ $    comm_cre_dat = f$file_att(comm_log,"cdt")  K $    write sys$output "common   SYLOGIN.COM creation date is ",comm_cre_dat - $    there_is_also_a_file_in_sys$common   = 1d $ endif-M $ if there_is_a_file_in_sys$specific .and. there_is_also_a_file_in_sys$common" $ then; $    if f$cvtime(spec_cre_dat) .gts. f$cvtime(comm_cre_dat)M	 $    thens' $       rename/log 'comm_log' .very_oldn	 $    elses' $       rename/log 'spec_log' .very_oldw
 $    endif $ endifs8 $ if f$search("sys$manager:sylogin.new") .nes. "" then -%      delete sys$manager:sylogin.new;*.- $ open/read/share in  sys$manager:sylogin.come- $ open/write      out sys$manager:sylogin.newV $ exit_found = 0 $LOOP: $ read/end=EOF in line1 $ text = f$edit(line,"collapse,upcase,uncomment")l& $ if f$extract(0,5,text) .eqs. "$EXIT" $ then $    exit_found = 1e $    gosub DO_WRITEs $ endifa $ write out line $ goto LOOPa $! $EOF:l* $ if exit_found .eq. 0 then gosub DO_WRITE
 $ close in $ close outf) $ rename/log sys$manager:sylogin.com .old ) $ rename/log sys$manager:sylogin.new .comp $ exit $!
 $DO_WRITE:P $ write out "$! Next two lines added during ISLK v6.2 installation on ",f$time()
 $ write out --P "$ if f$search(""prog00:[islk_prog.com]islk_init_journal.com"").nes."""" then -"
 $ write out -@3 "     @prog00:[islk_prog.com]islk_init_journal.com"  $ return   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:11:20 -0400 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>3I Subject: Re: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)a2 Message-ID: <SXvlOlpfrvUTJzwXxaRdHF9bUSN2@4ax.com>  ? You might be getting old, but I find that self-error correctionP is still a good thing!  ;-)s  4 Any reason you have SYLOGIN in both SYS$SPECIFIC and SYS$COMMON?s   David R. Beattyu  F On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:27:31 +0200, Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> wrote:   >Because >u >ISLKP2_dmo> sh log sys$sysrootd8 >   "SYS$SYSROOT" = "$1$DGA1:[SYS0.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE) >        = "SYS$COMMON:"A >1  "SYS$COMMON" = "$1$DGA1:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  >, >I'm getting really old. >  >Didier Morandi wrote: >>  O >> How come the purge/log sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]sylogin.com can purge the file in- >> sys$common???   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:59:15 +0200o! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>jI Subject: Re: [Q] DCL minute of the day: sys$specific & sys$common (again)t& Message-ID: <3AE594C3.5EBCED1E@ims.ch>  I There was a thread on this subject a few weeks ago in here. My "Customer" D decided to put all his sys$manager stuff in sys$common: but, when myK installation procedure provides a new sylogin.com (for example), it goes tot< sys$specific (default copy operation) and we have two files.  L Fortunately, by default, it is searched from sys$specific first, so the lastK version is always used. But the "DCL engineering team" decided to update andO existing file, wherever it is, instead of providing a new one from the template 6 and breaking the Customer habits, hence the procedure.   David Beatty wrote:h > A > You might be getting old, but I find that self-error correction0 > is still a good thing!  ;-)m > 6 > Any reason you have SYLOGIN in both SYS$SPECIFIC and
 > SYS$COMMON?2   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:37:05 +0200<! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>e- Subject: Re: [Q] Mozilla does not like proxy?.& Message-ID: <3AE52D21.236FDD4D@ims.ch>   Thanks.h   Colin Blake wrote: > N > The correct place to report Mozilla bugs is bugzilla at bugzilla.mozilla.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:57:39 +0200u! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> = Subject: Re: [Q] reduce C + embedded SQL executable file sizel& Message-ID: <3AE531F3.7C5C42DA@ims.ch>  O I found in the manual how to build a shareable image, but this not what I want,oD and I didn't find anythink about the sql$user70.olb being shareable.  O Of course it is, as all languages running under VMS are (afaik). What I need is L the command line to tell the linker to add only the library entry points forM each SQL call executed from the C source. I do not want the linker to add thebO whole buch of library code to each of the C programs, which actually is what ita seems to do.  O As I have Rdb and SQL70 installed on all of my Customer systems, it should makes) it if the exe have only the entry points.e   D. I   Warren Spencer wrote:  > K > Is there a sharable image version of sql$user70?  Statically linking withHA > the database runtime is gonna make your image files pretty fat.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:13:14 +0200 ! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>,* Subject: [Q] Restart OPA0: DECWindows CDE?& Message-ID: <3AE5980A.93B575EB@ims.ch>  M I know of someone who killed all DECw processes without thinking of the OPA0:.P CDE process. Now the PC-like console screen is grey-blue and nothing happens :-(  C I didn't find in the FAQ nor in the sys$manager directory the rightnP DECW*startup*.com to restart it. Should I reboot the Alpha to gain access to the console again?   Thanks,  D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:01:54 +0200e( From: "Bruin, J.M. de" <Bruin@WT.TNO.NL>. Subject: RE: [Q] Restart OPA0: DECWindows CDE?C Message-ID: <2ABC8BB85FE5D411AC100008C7F37BC227D941@wt15.wt.tno.nl>   P "@sys$update:decw$startup restart" should do the trick (at least it does for me)   Mark     -----Original Message-----( From: Didier Morandi [mailto:DMo@ims.ch]! Sent: dinsdag 24 april 2001 17:13t To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comj* Subject: [Q] Restart OPA0: DECWindows CDE?    M I know of someone who killed all DECw processes without thinking of the OPA0: P CDE process. Now the PC-like console screen is grey-blue and nothing happens :-(  C I didn't find in the FAQ nor in the sys$manager directory the right P DECW*startup*.com to restart it. Should I reboot the Alpha to gain access to the console again?   Thanks,e D.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.229 ************************antine message  # Warning message from administrator:l7 Sender, Content filter has detected a sensitive e-mail.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:15:03 +0100-% From: Alan Greig0=XLq8@=N?zEI_%D_c[QF"|Ri)zpkeQo|#aia&SyZ/j;IRl'dI0:ב)	'U[;=j %k1 <1
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