1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 26 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 233       Contents: Re: 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 anyone?  Re: 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 anyone?  Re: Alpha - Unix Utility Re: Compaq getting the message? & Re: creprc with commandline parameters- RE: DCL to compute IP address from hex number , RE:DCL to compute IP address from hex number/ Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ? / Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ? / Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ? / Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ? / Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ? / Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ? / Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ? / Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?  Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success  Re: Fall of the Roman Empire Re: Fall of the Roman Empire, faux InfoServer (was: DFWDAYS a Big Success)0 Re: faux InfoServer (was: DFWDAYS a Big Success)G Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame G Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame G Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame G Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame G Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame % Help required for a simple batch file ) Re: Help required for a simple batch file ) Re: Help required for a simple batch file 0 Re: How to get fiber channell address from VMS ? Re: Infoserver: Re: InfoServer on OpenVMS (was: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success): Re: InfoServer on OpenVMS (was: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success): Re: InfoServer on OpenVMS (was: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success) Re: Janitor fixes 90L  Motif 1.2-5  pixmap resource  Re: OpenVMS 7.3 / Oracle RDB 7.1  Re: OpenVMS 7.3 / Oracle RDB 7.1/ Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! / RE: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line! / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: Optical Drive for OpenVMS  OT:  re Oracle Re: OT:  re Oracle	 passwords 
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 Re: passwords  PCs Need to Query RMS files.  Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files.  Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files.  Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files.- Random access files from DCL and phone bills! , Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large file, Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large file, Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large file SAMBA 	 Re: SAMBA  Screen Scarpers? Re: Screen Scarpers? Re: Screen Scarpers?" Split internal SCSI bus on DS20???( Re: V7.3 in clusters w/earlier versions?( Re: V7.3 in clusters w/earlier versions? Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel?% Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation  Re: VT POP3 client?  Re: VT POP3 client? % Warning - Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition P Warning........Illegal evidence................................................./ Re: [BUG?] DCL_CHECK and READ /ERR=XXX /END=YYY 6 [INFO] SYSTEM-F-INSFSPTS, insufficient SPTEs available  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 11:58:40 -05001 From: Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam> & Subject: Re: 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 anyone?2 Message-ID: <w53lmon1ttr.fsf@pitcairn.spa.umn.edu>  3 "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:   ( > Getting ready to order an XP900.  VMS. > K > Saw that the 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 Graphics card is supported.  7.3 built-in. * > Earlier versions have patches available. > G > Wondered if anyone here has any first hand experience with this card.   G No experience on OpenVMS, but I have one in a DS10 running Tru64 (5.1). 8 The performance is infinitely better than the ELSA card.D I don't know if that helps say anything about how it might behave on= VMS, but I'd guess the code base of the driver may be common.     Graham --  I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- , Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:41:10 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> & Subject: Re: 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 anyone?0 Message-ID: <95ZF6.270$5I.5195@news.cpqcorp.net>  J Well, I wrote the original DDX code, and it was ported to UNIX.  Does that help ;-)    ! Graham Allan wrote in message ... 4 >"Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes: > ) >> Getting ready to order an XP900.  VMS.  >>L >> Saw that the 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 Graphics card is supported.  7.3 built-in.+ >> Earlier versions have patches available.  >>H >> Wondered if anyone here has any first hand experience with this card. > H >No experience on OpenVMS, but I have one in a DS10 running Tru64 (5.1).9 >The performance is infinitely better than the ELSA card. E >I don't know if that helps say anything about how it might behave on > >VMS, but I'd guess the code base of the driver may be common. >  >Graham  >-- J >-------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - (612) 624-5040 : >School of Physics and Astronomy - University of MinnesotaJ >-------------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:34:59 -0400 " From: "Jack" <unixhlp@hotmail.com>! Subject: Re: Alpha - Unix Utility + Message-ID: <9c998e$9ai$2@bob.news.rcn.net>    Thanks a million   --             J.
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             ~ : David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3AE7335D.68019E9C@fsi.net... % > (Reply cross-posted to comp.os.vms)  > 
 > Jack wrote:  > > 	 > > Hello  > > ! > > If somebody could help me ...  > > K > > I wanted to find out if we have any utility on ALPHA VMS similar to Tar  onB > > UNIX. I have a very huge data to be migrated from VMS to UNIX. > > J > > May be somebody can help me or give me some idea about how to move all the F > > users and the data from VMS to UNIX, because ftp does not move the	 directory & > > and the files within the direcory. > > ) > > Any kind of help will be appreciated.  > E > Well, yes, there is a VMS TAR available. Try the freeware links at:   > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ > 4 > There is also Zip and Unzip for both VMS and UN*X. > 0 > Here are some other links you may find useful: >  > TAR on OpenVMS:   > http://www.djesys.com/tar.html >   > (About "tarballs" and OpenVMS) > - > Zip and Unzip on OpenVMS: Secrets Revealed! 6 > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/zipunzip/index.htm9 > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/zipunzip/sld036.htm * 9 > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/zipunzip/sld037.htm *  > 4 > (...as presented at the Fall 1999 DECUS Symposium)B > (*: For "long filenames", drop the /PKZIP qualifier which causes% > filespecs to be truncated to "8.3")  > J > I'd suggest reviewing the ENTIRE Zip/Unzip presentation as there are key/ > issues regarding RMS that must be considered.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:35:10 +0930 % From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au> ( Subject: Re: Compaq getting the message?) Message-ID: <3AE7E4C6.5060104@vsm.com.au>    Dave Gaukroger wrote:   @ >>>> Anyone else seen signs of change locally either positive or >>>> negative? >>>  > L > Well in Australia the new MD has come from the enterprise sector replacingH > Ian "Mr Presario" Penman. We can only hope this is felt throughout the$ > organisation. Only time will tell. >   7 The departure of Ian Penman was certainly a good thing.   G Further positive developments: DECUS Australia held a two-day Symposium D at the end of March (its first since 1997) with full Compaq support,D including a number of US and local speakers.  Focus was "Enterprise"5 (Alpha, VMS, Tru64 and SAN) and well worth attending.    Regards,   	Jeremy Begg   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2001 09:38:52 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) / Subject: Re: creprc with commandline parameters 0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-sSTdPsdbBk1N@Tom2>   Thanks to all, mailbox is it.    Thomas Hahnemann   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:20:37 -0400  From: JOEL@mln.lib.ma.us6 Subject: RE: DCL to compute IP address from hex number1 Message-ID: <010426092037.2020fbf4@mln.lib.ma.us>   4 $! Gives real names of Internet sites in hexadecimal $ str="0123456789ABCDEF" $ reask:
 $ ipstr="" $ write sys$output "" < $ read/error=end/prompt="IP address in hex? " sys$command ip $ ip=f$edit(ip,"upcase")) $ if f$length(ip) .nes. 8 then goto reask  $ pos=0  $ loop:  $ pnum1=f$extract(pos,1,ip)  $ num1=f$locate(pnum1,str) $ pnum2=f$extract(pos+1,1,ip)  $ num2=f$locate(pnum2,str)7 $ if (num1 .eq. 16) .or. (num2 .eq. 16) then goto reask  $ pl=num1*16+num2  $ ipstr=ipstr+f$string(pl)+"." $ pos=pos+2  $ if pos .lt. 8 then goto loop, $ ipstr=f$extract(0,f$length(ipstr)-1,ipstr) $ write sys$output "" 2 $ write sys$output "IP address in decimal: "+ipstr $ write sys$output "" ? $ define/user_mode sys$output user_disk:[joel.text.junk]qyq.lis  $ multinet nslookup 'ipstr' + $ open qq user_disk:[joel.text.junk]qyq.lis  $ ref=0  $ readloop:  $ ref=ref+1 
 $ read qq let " $ if ref .lt. 4 then goto readloop
 $ close qq: $ write sys$output "Regular address: "+f$extract(9,80,let) $ end: $ write sys$output ""  $ exit        Hope this helps. <                                               Joel G. Martin?                                               Systems Assistant G                                               Minuteman Library Network 8                                               Natick, MA@                                               joel@MLN.LIB.MA.US   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:29:17 -0400  From: JOEL@mln.lib.ma.us5 Subject: RE:DCL to compute IP address from hex number 1 Message-ID: <010426092917.2020fbf4@mln.lib.ma.us>   C      I'm reposting this because I forgot to mention the first time  @ that the second part of this (but not the part computing the IP  address) requires Multinet. <                                               Joel G. Martin?                                               Systems Assistant G                                               Minuteman Library Network 8                                               Natick, MA@                                               joel@MLN.LIB.MA.US    4 $! Gives real names of Internet sites in hexadecimal $ str="0123456789ABCDEF" $ reask:
 $ ipstr="" $ write sys$output "" < $ read/error=end/prompt="IP address in hex? " sys$command ip $ ip=f$edit(ip,"upcase")) $ if f$length(ip) .nes. 8 then goto reask  $ pos=0  $ loop:  $ pnum1=f$extract(pos,1,ip)  $ num1=f$locate(pnum1,str) $ pnum2=f$extract(pos+1,1,ip)  $ num2=f$locate(pnum2,str)7 $ if (num1 .eq. 16) .or. (num2 .eq. 16) then goto reask  $ pl=num1*16+num2  $ ipstr=ipstr+f$string(pl)+"." $ pos=pos+2  $ if pos .lt. 8 then goto loop, $ ipstr=f$extract(0,f$length(ipstr)-1,ipstr) $ write sys$output "" 2 $ write sys$output "IP address in decimal: "+ipstr $ write sys$output "" ? $ define/user_mode sys$output user_disk:[joel.text.junk]qyq.lis  $ multinet nslookup 'ipstr' + $ open qq user_disk:[joel.text.junk]qyq.lis  $ ref=0  $ readloop:  $ ref=ref+1 
 $ read qq let " $ if ref .lt. 4 then goto readloop
 $ close qq: $ write sys$output "Regular address: "+f$extract(9,80,let) $ end: $ write sys$output ""  $ exit        Hope this helps.    ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:07:50 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104261102580.4811-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   ( On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Jerry Leslie wrote:  9 +I'm modifying some DCL scripts to work with TCP/IP V5.1.  [...] A +My current plan is to use the hex value of the IP address which  < +makes up part of the value of the SYS$REM_ID logical; e.g.: + . + $ ip = f$extract(8,8,f$trnlnm("sys$rem_id")) +  + $ show symbol ip +  IP = "5B71B34"  + < +Has someone already written a DCL procedure to convert such7 +hex values to IP addresses acceptable to TCP/IP V5.1 ?      No, because it is too simple :)7  Masking the parts you do with ".and.", when you divide 4 a value by 256 you "move" the bits position by byte:  ) $ aIP=%x'IP'	! Means: address IP as value 2 $ DotIP=f$string((aIP/256/256/256).and.255)+"."+ -.         f$string((aIP/256/256).and.255)+"."+ -*         f$string((aIP/256).and.255)+"."+ -         f$string(aIP.and.255)  $ sh sym dotIP  <  Of course you can use ...(%x'IP'/256... in every expression- and replace the 256/256... by proper value :)    +Thanks in advance,     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:07:39 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?0 Message-ID: <009FB19F.A911F99B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <7lLF6.1779$%L5.31592@insync>, LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie) writes:9 >I'm modifying some DCL scripts to work with TCP/IP V5.1. 2 >The following command used to get the IP address: > $ > $ ip = f$getjpi("","tt_accpornam") >  >but now gets: >  > $ show symbol ip* >  IP = "Host: OLYSC2 Locn: _RTA1:/VECTOR" > A >My current plan is to use the hex value of the IP address which  < >makes up part of the value of the SYS$REM_ID logical; e.g.: > . > $ ip = f$extract(8,8,f$trnlnm("sys$rem_id")) >  > $ show symbol ip >  IP = "5B71B34"  > < >Has someone already written a DCL procedure to convert such7 >hex values to IP addresses acceptable to TCP/IP V5.1 ?  >  >Thanks in advance,  > 0 >--Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net< >                 leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid3 >                 (my opinions are strictly my own)    This should work:    $ a[0,32]= 'F$integer(IP) \ $ a= "''F$fao("!UB.!UB.!UB.!UB",F$cvui(0,8,a),F$cvui(8,8,a),F$cvui(16,8,a),F$cvui(24,8,a))'"   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 08:56:59 -05003 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg) 8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?3 Message-ID: <lCCoieW9yeFf@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ( In article <7lLF6.1779$%L5.31592@insync>  (Jerry Leslie) writes: : > I'm modifying some DCL scripts to work with TCP/IP V5.1.3 > The following command used to get the IP address:  > % >  $ ip = f$getjpi("","tt_accpornam")  >  > but now gets:  >  >  $ show symbol ip + >   IP = "Host: OLYSC2 Locn: _RTA1:/VECTOR"   ? This is indicating that it is a DECNET, not a TCPIP connection. > Do you have a SET HOST 0 or something that you may have missed before running the script?  A > My current plan is to use the hex value of the IP address which = > makes up part of the value of the SYS$REM_ID logical; e.g.:  > / >  $ ip = f$extract(8,8,f$trnlnm("sys$rem_id"))  >  >  $ show symbol ip  >   IP = "5B71B34" > = > Has someone already written a DCL procedure to convert such 8 > hex values to IP addresses acceptable to TCP/IP V5.1 ?  6 see http://encompasserve.org/~malmberg/dcl/whatami.com  ) For the browser impaired, use whatami.txt    -John  Personal Opinion Only  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:09:36 -0400a  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?4 Message-ID: <C2256A3A.00526B34.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  J This seems to work better.  (The octets appear to need to be reversed from below,  and the value needs conversion.)  K I note with admiration how much cleaner this is than the other submissions.    $ ip = f$trnlnm("sys$rem_id")  $ a[0,32]= %x'IP'  $ a=W "''F$fao("!UB.!UB.!UB.!UB",F$cvui(24,8,a),F$cvui(16,8,a),F$cvui(8,8,a),F$cvui(0,8,a))'"           1 system@sendspamhere.org on 04/26/2001 06:07:39 AM   ) Please respond to system@sendspamhere.org    To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comH cc:    (9 Subject:  Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?e        P In article <7lLF6.1779$%L5.31592@insync>, LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie) writes:D9 >I'm modifying some DCL scripts to work with TCP/IP V5.1.o2 >The following command used to get the IP address: >l$ > $ ip = f$getjpi("","tt_accpornam") >h >but now gets: >r > $ show symbol ip* >  IP = "Host: OLYSC2 Locn: _RTA1:/VECTOR" > @ >My current plan is to use the hex value of the IP address which< >makes up part of the value of the SYS$REM_ID logical; e.g.: > . > $ ip = f$extract(8,8,f$trnlnm("sys$rem_id")) >  > $ show symbol ip >  IP = "5B71B34"l > < >Has someone already written a DCL procedure to convert such7 >hex values to IP addresses acceptable to TCP/IP V5.1 ?e >r >Thanks in advance,  >D0 >--Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net< >                 leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid3 >                 (my opinions are strictly my own)o   This should work:o   $ a[0,32]= 'F$integer(IP)e $ a=W "''F$fao("!UB.!UB.!UB.!UB",F$cvui(0,8,a),F$cvui(8,8,a),F$cvui(16,8,a),F$cvui(24,8,a))'"e     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:49:34 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>a8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?) Message-ID: <3AE8438E.4E0FE7A8@bbc.co.uk>t  ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:u  L > This seems to work better.  (The octets appear to need to be reversed from > below," > and the value needs conversion.) > M > I note with admiration how much cleaner this is than the other submissions.o >b > $ ip = f$trnlnm("sys$rem_id")  > $ a[0,32]= %x'IP'r > $ a=Y > "''F$fao("!UB.!UB.!UB.!UB",F$cvui(24,8,a),F$cvui(16,8,a),F$cvui(8,8,a),F$cvui(0,8,a))'"s >s  Y  sure, $FAO looks the neatest way, but why not upgrade to TCPIP Services V5.0A or higher,? whichM does the hard work for you?o   (LNM$JOB_811EF380)  5   "SYS$REM_NODE" = ""10.72.8.60       Port: 0    "::"d     $ ucx sh ver  9   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A.3   on a AlphaServer 1000A 5/300 running OpenVMS V7.1=   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukr  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC.g   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:07:42 GMTd= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-).8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?0 Message-ID: <009FB1D1.F562EAE2@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <C2256A3A.00526B34.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:t >  >d > K >This seems to work better.  (The octets appear to need to be reversed fromh >below,a! >and the value needs conversion.)L >cL >I note with admiration how much cleaner this is than the other submissions. >b >$ ip = f$trnlnm("sys$rem_id") >$ a[0,32]= %x'IP' >$ a= X >"''F$fao("!UB.!UB.!UB.!UB",F$cvui(24,8,a),F$cvui(16,8,a),F$cvui(8,8,a),F$cvui(0,8,a))'"  = Doh!... I forgot about the network order... Sorry 'bout that.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            -O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:50:31 +0200R! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>g8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?& Message-ID: <3AE851D7.A2900AA0@ims.ch>   (piece of my login.com code)  $ $ terminal  = f$getjpi(0,"terminal")/ $ accpornam = f$getdvi(terminal,"TT_ACCPORNAM")iG $ if f$locate("::",accpornam) .ne. f$length(accpornam)          !DECnet  $ then $    index = 0 $    separator = ":" $ else $    index = 1G $    separator = " "                                            !TCP/IPa $ endifh1 $ rhost := 'f$element(index,separator,accpornam)'oH $ if rhost .nes. "" then set display/create/transport=tcpip/node='rhost' ../..i  
 opzatelps, D.   Jerry Leslie wrote:n > : > I'm modifying some DCL scripts to work with TCP/IP V5.1.3 > The following command used to get the IP address:  > % >  $ ip = f$getjpi("","tt_accpornam")- >  > but now gets:- >  >  $ show symbol ip-+ >   IP = "Host: OLYSC2 Locn: _RTA1:/VECTOR"- ../..6   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:39:17 GMT-4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?) Message-ID: <93ZF6.1802$%L5.31949@insync>J  . Tim Llewellyn (tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk) wrote: :  : J : sure, $FAO looks the neatest way, but why not upgrade to TCPIP Services 4 : V5.0A or higher, which does the hard work for you? :  : (LNM$JOB_811EF380) : 7 :   "SYS$REM_NODE" = ""10.72.8.60       Port: 0    "::". :  :   $ ucx sh ver : ; :   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A 5 :   on a AlphaServer 1000A 5/300 running OpenVMS V7.1t :   B That works as long as the address isn't in the hosts database, or  isn't resolved by a DNS server:       $ tcpip show version   ;       Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1t?       on a Digital Personal WorkStation  running OpenVMS V7.2-1b      $ show logical sys$rem_node3      "SYS$REM_NODE" = "OLYSC3::" (LNM$JOB_80C6ED00)       $ show logical sys$rem_id8      "SYS$REM_ID" = "TELNET_95B71B35" (LNM$JOB_80C6ED00)      $ tcpip show host olysc3            LOCAL database      Host address    Host name      149.183.27.53   OLYSC3.  1 For this application, the IP address is required.:  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.neta;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidn%                  leslie@clio.rice.edut2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)  E P.S.: If "TT_ACCPORNAM" is going to continue to change, perhaps it's d,       time for a new item, "TT_IP_ADDRESS".    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:07:50 -0400i  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>" Subject: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success. Message-ID: <1010426014457.5995A@Ives.egh.com>  ( On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Hoff Hoffman wrote:  N > In article <3ae7011f$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> writes:0 > :>Infoserver software that runs on  Alpha VMS. > : 9 > :How can we of the unwashed masses find out about this?r > D >   We have a prototype of an OpenVMS-host-based InfoServer running  >   in the engineering lab.s > C >   This prototype and the expected eventual release kit containingtF >   the host-based InfoServer support will provide LAD disk services, I >   but will **NOT** provide InfoServer tape nor InfoServer CD-R support.- > G >   The release of the software is expected as a separate installation yC >   kit prior to the plannced integration of the capabilities into  1 >   OpenVMS in a release (probably) after V7.3-1.G  E Reading between the lines... What we are discussing here is a way forpH an (Alpha?) VMS system to function as a LAD server, at least for CD-ROM.  G Meaning that any (VAX or Alpha) VMS system which is able to boot from anC LAD-served disk (i.e. a LAD client) could boot from a LAD-served CDlE (i.e. a VMS Vx.y (x.y>7.3) O/S CD) mounted on the LAD server, just by E being capable of performing a MOP (ethernet) boot.  Meaning you don'tuA need a local CD-ROM drive on your old, non-SCSI VAX to install orpD upgrade VMS or layered products (or to boot S/A backup?).  Good bye, TK50?A  D I seem to recall a thread a few months ago where someone, maybe you,B said that after V7.3, CD-ROM would be the only distibution medium.D No more TK50/9-track/RX01/RA60/???.  (I know, I know, everything butB TK50 has been obsolete/unobtainable for years, but I have received VMS kits on all these media.)  h  A Is this to make all us VAX dinosaurs happy?  Especially since I'm-D holding in my hand the broken leader from my home TK50.  :-(  (Can'tA seem to buy these from Compaq any more - they directed me to some @ 3rd-party parts suppliers, but I haven't followed up on it yet.)  ? Of course, once everyone is switched to CD, all the new systems * will start shipping with DVD instead.  :-)  = Will this be a separately licensed product or included in the ? base VMS license?  If licensed, will the PAK be included in the  hobbyist licenses?  < Which VAXes can be booted from the ethernet?  All of them or? only the ones whose boot code is more recent than the existence1A of Ethernet adapters?  (Does this depend only on VMB, which would < mean that even an 11/780 with a current console floppy could boot this way?)   ? To look a gift horse in the mouth, what about a LAD server that @ could run on a PC?  (Dodging the brickbats, but I do have 2 PC'sA at home both with CD drives, but no Alpha.  Or maybe I should gety9 a Multia to function as a CD-ROM server for my VAX 3600?)j  > Even if I am totaly wrong about the intent and capabilities of7 this, it still sounds like a good thing, and thank you.q   -- t John Santos" Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:19:59 +0100 " From: Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com>% Subject: Re: Fall of the Roman Empire @ Message-ID: <OFA680B451.8491DDE7-ON80256A3A.004EBC07@eu.csc.com>   Ah.   @ This will probably also explain the Fall of the UN*X Empire.....  : Any computer professional depending on an operating system> vaguely worth using, knows that successful program termination7 is represented by a status code of 1, a zero in the LSB. means a potential problem!   Regards,	 Nic Clewsn nclews at csc dot com0   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2001 17:50:45 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)c% Subject: Re: Fall of the Roman Empireu, Message-ID: <9c9n5l$165f$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  @ In article <OFA680B451.8491DDE7-ON80256A3A.004EBC07@eu.csc.com>,%  Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com> writes:y |> Ah. |> nC |> This will probably also explain the Fall of the UN*X Empire.....e  E Yeah, it's a shame that Unix died,  I'm really going to miss it.  :-)    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 10:16:15 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n5 Subject: faux InfoServer (was: DFWDAYS a Big Success)t3 Message-ID: <$pxt$AmCTswN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Q In article <1010426014457.5995A@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: * > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Hoff Hoffman wrote: > O >> In article <3ae7011f$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> writes:s1 >> :>Infoserver software that runs on  Alpha VMS.i >> :: >> :How can we of the unwashed masses find out about this? >> nE >>   We have a prototype of an OpenVMS-host-based InfoServer running   >>   in the engineering lab. >> dD >>   This prototype and the expected eventual release kit containingG >>   the host-based InfoServer support will provide LAD disk services, tJ >>   but will **NOT** provide InfoServer tape nor InfoServer CD-R support. >>  H >>   The release of the software is expected as a separate installation D >>   kit prior to the plannced integration of the capabilities into 2 >>   OpenVMS in a release (probably) after V7.3-1. > G > Reading between the lines... What we are discussing here is a way fortJ > an (Alpha?) VMS system to function as a LAD server, at least for CD-ROM. > I > Meaning that any (VAX or Alpha) VMS system which is able to boot from atE > LAD-served disk (i.e. a LAD client) could boot from a LAD-served CD8G > (i.e. a VMS Vx.y (x.y>7.3) O/S CD) mounted on the LAD server, just by G > being capable of performing a MOP (ethernet) boot.  Meaning you don'teC > need a local CD-ROM drive on your old, non-SCSI VAX to install ortF > upgrade VMS or layered products (or to boot S/A backup?).  Good bye, > TK50?y  D Booting over the LAD/LAST protocol depends on how old your VAX is.     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:25:00 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> 9 Subject: Re: faux InfoServer (was: DFWDAYS a Big Success)a) Message-ID: <3AE82FBC.D0223184@bbc.co.uk>c   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  E >  Booting over the LAD/LAST protocol depends on how old your VAX is.a  I I've certainly installed VMS on a MicroVAX II from an infoserver. I don't=- know how far back you want to go in hardware.F   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk=  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa MedAS or the BBC.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:07:52 +0100-0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>P Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame* Message-ID: <3AE81DA8.4DFC1ED4@uk.sun.com>   "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:: >  > Hi Shane,s >  > Andrew has an out... >  > "The hack is likely to be aa1 >  major embarrassment for the company behind thep9 >  high-profile hacking comptetion, despite its assertiono0 >  that the break in has highlighted a major new; >  vulnerability in the Solaris operating system running ons  > *Intel x86* microprocessors. " > 7 > Sorry...I have no love lost for Solaris/Sun myself...8 >   0 Sadly the hackers didn't find a major new hole, 0 they "found" a hole that has been documented and, for which a patch has existed for some time.  2 The Solaris 7 for Intel version that Pitbull used 0 wasn't patched with this patch. It is perfectly 1 possible that the hacker may even have tried the -# hole to see if it had been patched.    Regardsm > --Brad > >sj > In article <OF234355D8.BF193EA2-ON88256A39.0074FCC2@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes:- > > That's ZDNet's title, not mine. Check out8M > > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2001/16/ns-22388.html for the story. Here's aT" > > paragraph to give you an idea: > >.H > >     Sandone stressed that customers using PitBull need not acquire aI > >     patch to secure their servers, as the vulnerability lies with themF > >     Solaris operating system. Details of the vulnerability will be( > >     published once a fix is created. > >iI > > I'd be interested to hear Andrew Harrison's view on this one. Andrew?n > >(G > > Anybody want to start an offline sweepstakes on what he'll say? :-)/ > >.	 > > Shaneo > >n > >m   -- d Andrew Harrisond Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 10:24:25 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) P Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame3 Message-ID: <8bdLDIXg2OYi@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  ] In article <3AE81DA8.4DFC1ED4@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:r > "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:l >> l >> Hi Shane, >> i >> Andrew has an out...m >> $ >> "The hack is likely to be a2 >>  major embarrassment for the company behind the: >>  high-profile hacking comptetion, despite its assertion1 >>  that the break in has highlighted a major new/< >>  vulnerability in the Solaris operating system running on! >> *Intel x86* microprocessors. "h >> e8 >> Sorry...I have no love lost for Solaris/Sun myself... >> - > 2 > Sadly the hackers didn't find a major new hole, 2 > they "found" a hole that has been documented and. > for which a patch has existed for some time.  7 To save time, Andrew is copying answers from Microsoft.   ? My preference is for software that doesn't have the hole in the,> first place.  I have no desire for a career in patch-tracking.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:41:09 +0100r0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>P Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame* Message-ID: <3AE83385.5583F8C2@uk.sun.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > _ > In article <3AE81DA8.4DFC1ED4@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:e! > > "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:  > >> > >> Hi Shane, > >> > >> Andrew has an out...9 > >>  > >> "The hack is likely to be a4 > >>  major embarrassment for the company behind the< > >>  high-profile hacking comptetion, despite its assertion3 > >>  that the break in has highlighted a major newt> > >>  vulnerability in the Solaris operating system running on# > >> *Intel x86* microprocessors. "i > >>: > >> Sorry...I have no love lost for Solaris/Sun myself... > >> > >f3 > > Sadly the hackers didn't find a major new hole,t4 > > they "found" a hole that has been documented and0 > > for which a patch has existed for some time. > 9 > To save time, Andrew is copying answers from Microsoft.  > A > My preference is for software that doesn't have the hole in thes@ > first place.  I have no desire for a career in patch-tracking.    " OpenVMS is also not secure unless ) patched. Timely patching and notificationn, of patches is just as important for OpenVMS  as it is for any other OS.  + If you havn't bothered following the patch u) paper chase for OpenVMS then your systemsn* are as vunerable as the Solaris for Intel  box was.  & Not a good effort on your part Larry.    Regardse Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 12:47:05 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)aP Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame3 Message-ID: <IOlHuXOPz5Ng@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  ] In article <3AE83385.5583F8C2@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:  $ > OpenVMS is also not secure unless + > patched. Timely patching and notificationo. > of patches is just as important for OpenVMS  > as it is for any other OS. > - > If you havn't bothered following the patch ,+ > paper chase for OpenVMS then your systemsr, > are as vunerable as the Solaris for Intel 
 > box was.  < Well, I did not say VMS was perfect, but the last such patch# I remember was over five years ago.MC Andrew, please put up or shut up with the identity of such a patch.I  9 We are, of course, talking about VMS (you introduced it),a6 not layered products I do not use.  IP problems do not count.  @ And remember, we are talking about a _security_ patch (mandatory> update in VMS-speak), not something that affects other aspects of the operating system.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:20:32 -07002! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comeP Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blameD Message-ID: <OFF68D2EFB.8BA76BA1-ON88256A3A.005F3633@foundation.com>  B Since there's apparently a fix, would you care to tell us what the vulnerability was?   Shaneh          D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/26/2001 06:07:52 AM  < Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com8 cc:,  K Subject:  Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets thet       blamem     "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:r >A > Hi Shane,X >( > Andrew has an out... >  > "The hack is likely to be ae1 >  major embarrassment for the company behind them9 >  high-profile hacking comptetion, despite its assertion00 >  that the break in has highlighted a major new; >  vulnerability in the Solaris operating system running on?  > *Intel x86* microprocessors. " >c7 > Sorry...I have no love lost for Solaris/Sun myself...j >0  / Sadly the hackers didn't find a major new hole,C0 they "found" a hole that has been documented and, for which a patch has existed for some time.  1 The Solaris 7 for Intel version that Pitbull usedx/ wasn't patched with this patch. It is perfectly 0 possible that the hacker may even have tried the# hole to see if it had been patched.)   Regardso > --Brad > >nF > In article <OF234355D8.BF193EA2-ON88256A39.0074FCC2@foundation.com>,# Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: - > > That's ZDNet's title, not mine. Check outVK > > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2001/16/ns-22388.html for the story. Here'se ai" > > paragraph to give you an idea: > >-H > >     Sandone stressed that customers using PitBull need not acquire aI > >     patch to secure their servers, as the vulnerability lies with the F > >     Solaris operating system. Details of the vulnerability will be( > >     published once a fix is created. > >eI > > I'd be interested to hear Andrew Harrison's view on this one. Andrew?c > >kG > > Anybody want to start an offline sweepstakes on what he'll say? :-)  > >P	 > > Shane  > >5 > >r   -- Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:04:23 +0800"' From: "jack" <nutshell@cyberway.com.sg>A. Subject: Help required for a simple batch file* Message-ID: <3ae847d7@news.starhub.net.sg>   Hi,S  F I need to monitor a list of processes in a VAX system. When any of theC processes die, it will log this event into a file with a timestamp. D Unfortunately, I do not know much of VAX other than a handful of DCL8 commands. Could someone help or has an example to show ?  @ Please send me a solution/example to vms_unix_newbie@hotmail.com Thanks very much.    Newbie   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:58:50 +0200E! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch> 2 Subject: Re: Help required for a simple batch file& Message-ID: <3AE853CA.57ACCCC5@ims.ch>  & ISLKP2_mgr> acc/sinc/status="10030001"  O      Date / Time      Type     Subtype     Username      ID     Source   StatusiP --------------------------------------------------------------------------------P 26-APR-2001 16:35:32 PROCESS INTERACTIVE ISLK_OP      0000047F TNA16:   10030001P 26-APR-2001 16:39:58 PROCESS SUBPROCESS  MORANDI      00000512          10030001P 26-APR-2001 16:43:53 PROCESS INTERACTIVE ISLK_OP      00000514 ISLKP2   10030001P 26-APR-2001 16:48:12 PROCESS SUBPROCESS  ISLK_OP      00000519          10030001P 26-APR-2001 16:48:17 PROCESS SUBPROCESS  ISLK_OP      0000051A          10030001P 26-APR-2001 16:52:42 PROCESS INTERACTIVE ISLK_OP      0000051C ISLKP2   10030001P 26-APR-2001 16:55:59 PROCESS INTERACTIVE ISLK_OP      00000518 FTA9:    10030001P 26-APR-2001 18:03:59 PROCESS INTERACTIVE ISLK_MGR     0000051D ISLKP2   10030001P 26-APR-2001 18:19:54 PROCESS BATCH       ISLKPRO_SRV  0000051F          10030001   The "/since" means since=today.n* (also sent to vms_unix_newbie@hotmail.com)   D.   jack wrote:d >  > Hi,s > H > I need to monitor a list of processes in a VAX system. When any of theE > processes die, it will log this event into a file with a timestamp.aF > Unfortunately, I do not know much of VAX other than a handful of DCL: > commands. Could someone help or has an example to show ? > B > Please send me a solution/example to vms_unix_newbie@hotmail.com ../..h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:17:22 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e2 Subject: Re: Help required for a simple batch file, Message-ID: <3AE8581C.2370190B@videotron.ca>  J > > I need to monitor a list of processes in a VAX system. When any of theG > > processes die, it will log this event into a file with a timestamp.O  M If you know the process names, you can use a lexical F$GETJPI to traverse the M list of processes on the system (or on the whole cluster), and if the process 4 isn't there, you can then take the actions you want.  L Of course, you will only notice that a process has died when you do the scanK of processes, so the "timestamp" will reflect the time of the scan, not the  time the process died.  K You cam as someone else showed, use the accounting utility (ACCOUNT and SETsK ACCOUNTING) to log the creation and deletion of all processes and that willh, give you accurate times when a process dies.  K The F$GETJPI (HELP LEX F$GETJPI) solution would allow you to take action inhK DCL when the process is no longer found (for instance, send a message to an ' operator, or automatically restart it).    ------------------------------  , Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:52:23 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>9 Subject: Re: How to get fiber channell address from VMS ?eI Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104261037010.4811-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   ( On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Peter Weaver wrote: [...](; +>  Can anyone comment and say, what is the best way to get > +> SNA address of fiber-channel card from within running VMS ?# +>  Of *the Alpha* SNA address ! :)a +>...  +A	 +Gotfryd;aF +I don't see any answer in the newsgroup, if you privately received or. +found the answer can you please post it here?  2  No, have not (yet, have hope !) get any answer...@  Has anyone a clue, if the address is saved in the driver area ?: (haven't a system on-hand to probe a brute-force check :[)    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E =====================================================================-F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEs. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:28:35 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Infoserver,0 Message-ID: <7oVF6.248$5I.4565@news.cpqcorp.net>  Z In article <3AE720DE.27660.715302@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:> :Since the Infoserver's on the front burner, is there publicy-F :accessible documentation on the protocol?  The Infoserver would be a  :cool thing to run on Linux...  K   I am aware of no plans to release documentation of the LAD/LAST protocolstJ   used by the InfoServer.  Like LAT, the protocols are (or were) licensed.  K   Other available protocols would be equally appropriate for use with LinuxlJ   or other platforms, and protocol specifications and implementations are ;   available.  SMB or one of the NFS variants, for instance.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:57:07 GMTB2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)C Subject: Re: InfoServer on OpenVMS (was: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success) 0 Message-ID: <7HWF6.252$5I.4737@news.cpqcorp.net>  Q In article <1010426014457.5995A@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:   F :Reading between the lines... What we are discussing here is a way forI :an (Alpha?) VMS system to function as a LAD server, at least for CD-ROM.   G   No need to infer.  Yes, we are providing a LAD server capability for  E   OpenVMS for specified chunks of disk storage on the OpenVMS server.eG   We should be able to serve CD-ROM or other stuff, with it likely that G   we will be able to serve the contents of a partition (container file)p   on an OpenVMS host disk.).  H :Meaning that any (VAX or Alpha) VMS system which is able to boot from aD :LAD-served disk (i.e. a LAD client) could boot from a LAD-served CDF :(i.e. a VMS Vx.y (x.y>7.3) O/S CD) mounted on the LAD server, just by4 :being capable of performing a MOP (ethernet) boot.  ..G :Meaning you don't need a local CD-ROM drive on your old, non-SCSI VAX CH :to install or upgrade VMS or layered products (or to boot S/A backup?).  F   Most of these old VAX systems are NOT capable of network bootstraps.C   You WILL need to have a bootable disk or bootable tape available.e  E :I seem to recall a thread a few months ago where someone, maybe you,nC :said that after V7.3, CD-ROM would be the only distibution medium. $ :No more TK50/9-track/RX01/RA60/???.  A   Correct.  Current OpenVMS VAX kits are available on TK50 media, @   nine-track 6250 BPI, and CD-ROM.  After V7.3, OpenVMS VAX kits%   will be available only on CD-ROM.  h  G   Why?  DLT-I media (TK52 cartridges) is simply becoming unavailable.  k  C   And no -- as one wag recently offered -- I don't want to receive -%   crates of slightly-used TK50 media.a  , :Is this to make all us VAX dinosaurs happy?  G   Donno.  Various reasons for this can include but are not limited to, VG   and in no particular order, helping with the end of the availability aF   of the TK50 media, due to the requirements of the factory installed E   software process within Compaq, with customer requests, and to helpi*   the folks with aging InfoServer devices.  @ :Of course, once everyone is switched to CD, all the new systems+ :will start shipping with DVD instead.  :-)-  D   We expect to be shipping OpenVMS Alpha on DVD sometime after V7.3.  > :Will this be a separately licensed product or included in the@ :base VMS license?  If licensed, will the PAK be included in the :hobbyist licenses?C  ;   AFAIK, current plans involve including this into OpenVMS.a  = :Which VAXes can be booted from the ethernet?  All of them or @ :only the ones whose boot code is more recent than the existenceB :of Ethernet adapters?  (Does this depend only on VMB, which would= :mean that even an 11/780 with a current console floppy could  :boot this way?)  H   The list of CD-ROM "deprived" VAX systems could include the following:  J     VAX-11/725, VAX-11/730, VAX-11/750, VAX-11/780, VAX-11/785, VAXstationE     8000, VAX 8200, VAX 8250, VAX 8300, VAX 8350, VAX 8500, VAX 8530, I     VAX 8550, VAX 8600, VAX 8650, VAX 8700, VAX 8800, VAX 8800, VAX 8810,t.     VAX 8820, VAX 8820N, VAX 8830, VAX 8840.    $   Probably a few others I've missed.  H   Most large-scale VAX systems -- well, VAX systems that were consideredH   large-scale when they were released -- lack MOP download capabilities K   in the console.  This includes most VAX systems that were released prior oA   to the InfoServer (eg: systems older than the VAX 6000 series).8  I   The VAX 6000, VAX 9000 series, and other later large-scale VAX systems  E   WITH console support for MOP downloads use the ISL_LVAX.SYS module. I   IIRC, all MicroVAX and VAX 4000 series systems provide console support  J   for MOP downloads, and all use the ISL_SVAX.SYS module for the download.I   (The ISL_LVAX module is effectively VMB with some extra "stuff" needed rJ   for the download service selection process.  The ISL_SVAX module is VMB I   with NISCS.  Additionally, the ISL_LVAX.SYS module is not loaded by and K   does not depend on a console-based version of VMB, while ISL_SVAX.SYS is -   loaded by the console VMB.)2  A :To look a gift horse in the mouth, what about a LAD server that   :could run on a PC?s  E   I am aware of no plans to provide LAD/LAST protocol specifications, 1   nor any plans to provide a PC-based InfoServer.c  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2001 15:15:36 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)>C Subject: Re: InfoServer on OpenVMS (was: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success)t+ Message-ID: <9c9e2o$vpn$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   0 In article <7HWF6.252$5I.4737@news.cpqcorp.net>,5  hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  |>F |>   And no -- as one wag recently offered -- I don't want to receive ( |>   crates of slightly-used TK50 media.  ? I do!!!  And TK70's too.  When should I expect them to arrive??n     bill   -- rJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   D   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:36:01 GMTc2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)C Subject: Re: InfoServer on OpenVMS (was: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success) 0 Message-ID: <50ZF6.269$5I.5201@news.cpqcorp.net>  K   Right now, no host-based InfoServer for OpenVMS VAX.  OpenVMS Alpha only.h  I   That decision may or may not change in the future, the core work first rI   involves getting the OpenVMS Alpha version working and together.  Once lG   we get the various technical and non-technical problems resolved and c   get that version working...I  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:02:05 +0930e% From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au>s Subject: Re: Janitor fixes 90L) Message-ID: <3AE7EB15.5080102@vsm.com.au>s   Davies, Huw wrote:  $ > True story - at a former employer! > L > About 4 hours into an upgrade I was getting bored so start practicing dropM > kicking a small paper ball. Connected a little too well and hit the Big RedeD > Button with force. Wait for the silence to descend but no. FurtherE > investigation leads to discovering that the Big Red Button has been4 > disconnected....  I I had a similar experience in my early days, in a very similar employmentk situation to Huw's.h  C It was my birthday but no-one remembered and my girlfriend had justm< dumped me (and I don't think she knew my birthday anyway :-)  E I was moping around the computer room (20+ VAXes of various vintages)tH that afternoon and accidentally brushed against the Big Red Button whichG was not protected by any kind of cover plate.  Instantly the room begansF to get quieter and quieter as the all those fans spun down.  A look of> mild concern crossed my face as I realised what I had done ...  G One of the operators looked up from typing on the VAX LA120 console andcA said, "System's a bit slow, Jeremy".  "Yes Bob, it's turned off!"n  E (I left there about 6 months later.  Not long afterwards someone elseaH also hit the BRB.  It wasn't until then that they decided to put a plate	 over it!)      Regards,   	Jeremy Begg 	VSM Software Services Pty Ltd.g   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2001 10:41:26 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann).% Subject: Motif 1.2-5  pixmap resource=0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-Q50jUw6w6Th5@Tom2>  	 VMS 7.2-1o Motif 1.2-5o@ X-Server : Hummingbird Exceed on Windows NT and VMS-DEC XServer   : This problem seems to be VMS specific, so I will ask here.  3 If i specify a .XBM file in my resource.dat for the17 *iconPixmap resource all works fine. I can see the Iconj4 and the Pixmap for a label widget loaded from a .XPM3 file. In the Motif FAQ's there is a statement, thatB3 Motif 1.2 does not contain a resource converter for' XPM files. a  3 1. Why do i see the xpm pixmap in my label widget ? :    There is no type converter installed by my application.   2. If I specify % *iconPixmap:decw$user_defaults:a.xPm r@    as icon I get an X Error BadMatch invalid parameter attribute    and the warning :H X Toolkit Warning: No type converter registered for 'String' to 'Bitmap' conversion. =    and both, the label pixmap and the icon are not displayed.h   3. If I specify % *iconPixmap:decw$user_defaults:a.xBm eA    I only get the warning but the label XPM and the icon XBM are o
 displayed.  E How can I make the XPM icon visible without loading it by xpmlib from F the application code ?  Where is the type Converter ? Where can I find9 a help library or man pages for VMS-X/Motif programming ?    Thanks in advancej   Thomas Hahnemann S&T Systemtechnik GmbH   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:11:25 +0100 . From: Peter Jackson <peter.jackson@oracle.com>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3 / Oracle RDB 7.1n* Message-ID: <3AE7CA1D.137774A9@oracle.com>  I Oracle won't ship OpenVMS 7.3 at all, never mind jointly with Rdb 7.1 :-)n  ? Anyway Rdb 7.0.6.1 is already certified for use on OpenVMS 7.3.1   Peter8 Rdb SupportC	 Oracle UKn  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  G > Do you know if Oracle with ship RDB 7.1 jointly with OpenVMS 7.3 ????n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:17:51 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.3 / Oracle RDB 7.1 * Message-ID: <3AE7E7BF.44C756A6@oracle.com>  4 Oracle Rdb V7.1 will support OpenVMS V7.3.  As well,2 we are working hard on certifying a release of Rdb2 7.0 for VMS V7.3.  I would expect certification in the near future.  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > G > Do you know if Oracle with ship RDB 7.1 jointly with OpenVMS 7.3 ????- > 	 > Regardsh >  > FC > E > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) em 25/04/2001 16:05:01- > @ > Favor responder a hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) >  >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc > E > Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Freeware V5.0 Shipping (was: Re: DECtalk DTC01b  >          cabling/documentation > K > In article <kLtD6.3083$Zn4.54367@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>, "Curtis Rempel"l/ > <vmsguy.no.spam.here.please@home.com> writes:oL > :Would "shipping out very shortly" happen to coincide with the shipping of > :7.3?n >  >   Yes. > J >   The OpenVMS Freeware V5.0 CD-ROM kit will be shipping with the OpenVMSG >   distribution for V7.3, it will be available for separate order (for D >   media and shipping charges), and work is underway to get the kit9 >   available for (free) download at the OpenVMS website.  > I >   Please keep your Freeware V4.0 disks around, as Freeware V5.0 carries"J >   forward no (unmodified) packages from Freeware V4.0.  There was simplyJ >   no room for this carry-forward, given the storage requirements for the? >   updated and for the new packages included on Freeware V5.0.  > 2 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> > -----------------------------0L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com4 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion > ---------------------------01 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS EngineeringS > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:36:12 +0100I0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!* Message-ID: <3AE7FA1C.9CC3360D@uk.sun.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:0 > 4 > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > H > > 1. The ES40 system benchmarked for STREAMS is the same system as theE > > current on. The memory subsystem which is what STREAMS in essencen? > > measures is the same. tsmurphys claim is not false as Kerryh
 > > suggests.  > G > > 2. The DS20 and ES40 use the same cross bar and as the ES40 STREAMSmF > > benchmark result published by Compaq shows the actual bandwidth of2 > > the DS/ES cross bar is ~2.5 GB/s not 5.2 GB/s. > D > > So do you support the 5.2 GB/s claim, the claims that Kerry madeC > > about the falsehood of tsmurphys post and mine in his follow onR
 > > response.d > C > First off, the DS20(E) and the ES40 do not use the same chip set. A > Very simular, but not the same. Second BTW, the 8400/GS140 is a G > midrange system. The only systems that a high end so far are possiblys > the GS160 or 320.  >   < I don't know why you introduced the 8400/GS140 etc it wasn't part of the discussion.s  C > The streams benchmark measures sustained CPU <-> Main Memory. ThecF > STREAMS numbers are limited by the CPU pin bandwidth, not the system > bandwidth. (Hint, IO...) >   3 Try again. Single CPU STREAMS results are generallyc3 limited by CPU, multi CPU results are almost alwayse0 limited by the memory/backplane/cross-bar/snoop  bandwidth. y  & This is illustrated by the ES40 4 CPU  STREAMS result.   0 So do you agree with Kerry's claims for 5.2 GB/s0 for the ES40 and his claims of the wrongness and/ falsehood of the posts he has responded to. Or  - do you consider the Compaq published STREAMS o# results to be a better measure ????a     Regards  Andrew Harrisonr Enterprise IT Architect-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:51:21 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!* Message-ID: <3AE7FDA9.5874BC8B@uk.sun.com>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > J > Here we go again, Andrew. You responded to Paul by ignoring what he saidH > and trying to make one of your own points on another subject. Again. IK > explained what you'd done (although it was obvious), and you do it again.tL > My post, and indeed Paul's, were not directly connected to Kerry's contentM > - both were on the subject of your usual tactics. So, as you can see, I allpJ > did the homework set for the subject, and aced it. You, however, flunked@ > badly by turning geography homework in to the english teacher. >   1 Shane you are far too clever for me, there was me=/ thinking that Paul had attempted to change the -4 subject because Kerry was BSing badly and obviously.  . When in fact you were both trying to give us a geography lesson.   K > Now, if you want to change the subject back to memory bandwidth, that's a= > different topic. >   4 OH good, so are you finally after all the attempted + avoidance offering to answer the question ?    Let me refresh you.:  2 Do you support Kerrys claims of 5.2 GB/s bandwidth/ and by default agree with his allegations that @, tsmurphys STREAMS posting is false ?  Its a  simple yes/no.  / Perhaps as you have offered to get back to the u. bandwidth question after your most instructive1 geography lecture you could answer this question.o  2 Of course if you don't actually have a clue either1 way then perhaps you shouldn't have got involved   in the first place.,   > Shaneo > F > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/25/2001 06:39:09 AM > > > Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr > cc:v > ; > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!- > $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >-K > > Gee, Andrew, you obviously never studied English particularly well, did L > > you? Still, I gave up expecting well constructed language from you yearsK > > ago. I was expressing no position on Kerry's post, because I don't know  > theaM > > text of it. I'd lost track (and largely interest) by that point, and it'd1G > > been snipped. I was simply pointing out your syntactic trap for thec > rather > > feeble attempt it was. > >AM > > As for 5+GB, well, in the absence of direct knowledge if Kerry posted it,c > I0M > > have a lot more faith in its accuracy than if you posted it, let's put itg0 > > that way. There again, that's not difficult. > >w > : > So you responded to my post without reading the previous5 > posts in the same thread. How remarkable, don't youp3 > think you would be better off reading Kerrys post # > and the one he was responding to.h > 4 > Oh no lets think that would be inconvenient if you; > read Kerrys thread you will then have to make a judgemente) > as to its veracity. Better not read it.e > 7 > Of course if you don't read it then you should not be  > posting responses should you.o > 2 > Seems to be another rock and hard place decision
 > for you. > 4 > To help you out the following lines are from Kerry > post.L >  > Kerrys posting > A > "Yep, a real mystery how people can post such false numbers :-)n > A > Current ES40 and DS20E systems use a 5.2Gb/sec cross bar switchr
 > technology. H > I am sure folks here realize the difference between a cross bar switch > and  > standard bus technology."r >  > This was in response to. > B > "I don't understand how somebody can post such a blatantly false > statement 9 > when stream is a click away. Here are the real numbers:O > % > Intel Pentium 4 1.4 GHz - 1574 MB/sN > Compaq ES40 - 1338 MB/s6 > Compaq DS20 - 1323 MB/sn > HP B2000 - 960 MB/sa > AMD Athlon 800 MHz - 586 MB/st' > Intel Pentium III 733 MHz - 544 MB/s"p > ? > All you need to do is decide if the 5.2 GB/s claim is true or-> > if the STREAMS results published by Compaq, which the poster8 > Kerry is accusing of falsehood refered to are correct. > 9 > Perhaps instead of accusing me of lack of understandingt: > of the english language you would be better off actually5 > reading a bit of english. At the moment your schooln5 > report for english reads "does not do his homework"v > 	 > regards 	 > > Shane  > >,H > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/24/2001 05:25:07 AM > >o@ > > Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> > >S > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come > > cc:  > >i= > > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!  > >a& > > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > > >AJ > > > Unless I'm misreading him, he's doing neither. He's using sarcasm to > take > > a L > > > potshot at Sun. And in response, you're doing a crude variation of theD > > > "When did you stop beating your wife?" verbal trap. Run out of > > imagination, > > > eh Andrew? > > >o > > ' > > Actually you are mistaken its not as2 > > "when did you stop beating your wife" question/ > > but it is "between a rock and a hard place" 
 > > question.d > >a0 > > Both you a Paul know that it is matketing BS( > > but to admit this would be terrible. > >R! > > Hence the attempt at sarcasm.l > >h3 > > What do you think of Kerrys claim, do you think01 > > the 5+ GB/s is marketing BS or the truth ????  > >  > > regards  > > > Shane0 > > >5J > > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/23/2001 08:58:12 AM > > > B > > > Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> > > >o! > > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms	 > > > cc:s > > > ? > > > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!e > > >a > > > Paul Repacholi wrote:b > > > > : > > > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > > > >pM > > > > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: As is making claims for existing systems which E > > > > > are not supported by the data you youselves have published.  > > > >c$ > > > > OK Kerry, naughty boy! Smak. > > > >AF > > > > You should know that it is only aceptable to enrich the mental	 > gardenspF > > > > of you poor punters by spreading infomation based on NDA data. > > > >. > > >e/ > > > So was Kerrys posting bullshit or are your > > > defending it.  > > > 
 > > > Regardse > > > Andrew Harrisone > > > Enterprise IT Architecth > >S > > -- > > Andrew Harrison. > > Enterprise IT Architectn >  > -- > Andrew Harrisonn > Enterprise IT Architectw   -- L Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:15:20 -0500c+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>s8 Subject: RE: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!R Message-ID: <DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180D957A@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew, Andrew ...  I Ahhh, by the tone of your replies, I seem to have hit a nerve with you. In hate it when that happens.   :-)-  G >>> Try again. Single CPU STREAMS results are generally limited by CPU,e2 multi CPU results are almost always limited by the/ memory/backplane/cross-bar/snoop bandwidth. <<<   L Memory bandwidth is a function of a number of factors: (extract from article on this)  I A memory bandwidth statistic describes the amount of traffic, measured in9G megabytes per second, that a computer system can move from one level ofo memory to another.  H There are, however, many different ways to report such measurements. For	 example: f  9 - the bandwidth from main memory to the board-level cached - bandwidth from cache to CPU 4 - bandwidth all the way from main memory to the CPU % - bandwidth in the reverse direction | - or bandwidth for round trips . - for single processors or t - for SMP systems 7 - "raw" bandwidth including that used by bus protocols n9 - "usable" bandwidth after discounting protocol overhead l  L There are many issues and ways of looking at this, so it is not as simple asE you make it out to be (but you knew this before - right?). Note - The:G article does discuss using streams benchmark as one good way to compareZG bandwidth measurements from different systems using a common benchmark.   K However, having stated this, you are correct that the posted streams number D for the two year old EV67 ES40 Alpha system does not match the 5.2GbJ bandwidth for the NEW DS20E or ES40 EV68 883Mhz servers that I quoted from our web page.   L Will a EV68 883Mhz streams number be better than the posted current number ?# I would think so, but we shall see.-  J Anyway, I do agree with you that the we should have a more current streamsJ number available that correlates closer to currently available systems and will see what I can find out.   ' Thank you for kindly pointing this out.    Now, do you feel better ?    [serenity now ..]-   :-)-   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesj Voice: 613-592-4660s Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]p Sent: April 25, 2001 9:39 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comk8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!    " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > I > Gee, Andrew, you obviously never studied English particularly well, didiJ > you? Still, I gave up expecting well constructed language from you yearsI > ago. I was expressing no position on Kerry's post, because I don't knoww the K > text of it. I'd lost track (and largely interest) by that point, and it'ddL > been snipped. I was simply pointing out your syntactic trap for the rather > feeble attempt it was. > K > As for 5+GB, well, in the absence of direct knowledge if Kerry posted it,  I K > have a lot more faith in its accuracy than if you posted it, let's put ito. > that way. There again, that's not difficult. >   8 So you responded to my post without reading the previous3 posts in the same thread. How remarkable, don't youo1 think you would be better off reading Kerrys postn! and the one he was responding to.e  3 Oh no lets think that would be inconvenient if you u9 read Kerrys thread you will then have to make a judgementh( as to its veracity. Better not read it.   6 Of course if you don't read it then you should not be  posting responses should you.s  1 Seems to be another rock and hard place decision   for you.  2 To help you out the following lines are from Kerry post.H   Kerrys posting  ? "Yep, a real mystery how people can post such false numbers :-)j  ? Current ES40 and DS20E systems use a 5.2Gb/sec cross bar switchE technology.oF I am sure folks here realize the difference between a cross bar switch andl standard bus technology."a   This was in response to.  @ "I don't understand how somebody can post such a blatantly false	 statementi7 when stream is a click away. Here are the real numbers:M  # Intel Pentium 4 1.4 GHz - 1574 MB/s  Compaq ES40 - 1338 MB/sn Compaq DS20 - 1323 MB/s' HP B2000 - 960 MB/sW AMD Athlon 800 MHz - 586 MB/sy% Intel Pentium III 733 MHz - 544 MB/s"o  = All you need to do is decide if the 5.2 GB/s claim is true orx< if the STREAMS results published by Compaq, which the poster6 Kerry is accusing of falsehood refered to are correct.  7 Perhaps instead of accusing me of lack of understandingn8 of the english language you would be better off actually4 reading a bit of english. At the moment your school 3 report for english reads "does not do his homework"e     regards  > Shanea > F > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/24/2001 05:25:07 AM > > > Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma > cc:d > ; > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!h > $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >mH > > Unless I'm misreading him, he's doing neither. He's using sarcasm to take > a0J > > potshot at Sun. And in response, you're doing a crude variation of theB > > "When did you stop beating your wife?" verbal trap. Run out of > imagination, > > eh Andrew? > >e > % > Actually you are mistaken its not ay0 > "when did you stop beating your wife" question- > but it is "between a rock and a hard place"  > question.e > . > Both you a Paul know that it is matketing BS& > but to admit this would be terrible. >  > Hence the attempt at sarcasm.- > 1 > What do you think of Kerrys claim, do you thinkm/ > the 5+ GB/s is marketing BS or the truth ????u > 	 > regardsV	 > > Shanea > >DH > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/23/2001 08:58:12 AM > >o@ > > Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> > >  > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd > > cc:e > >c= > > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!b > >t > > Paul Repacholi wrote:a > > >h8 > > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > > > K > > > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: As is making claims for existing systems which0C > > > > are not supported by the data you youselves have published.a > > > " > > > OK Kerry, naughty boy! Smak. > > >tL > > > You should know that it is only aceptable to enrich the mental gardensD > > > of you poor punters by spreading infomation based on NDA data. > > >. > > - > > So was Kerrys posting bullshit or are you@ > > defending it.  > >u > > Regardso > > Andrew Harrisone > > Enterprise IT Architectn >  > -- > Andrew Harrison  > Enterprise IT Architecte   -- D Andrew Harrisons Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:29:24 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!* Message-ID: <3AE84CE4.FCD7185F@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Andrew, Andrew ... > K > Ahhh, by the tone of your replies, I seem to have hit a nerve with you. I  > hate it when that happens. >   2 Kerry when do you ever learn, you have posted this0 "hit a nerve" comment an number of times in the / past and in each instance it has been followed <- by what has generally been a spectacular own   goal on your part. l  , If you havn't learn't this yet then you are * welcome to keep making the claim since the' inevitable since the inevitable always - follows.   As it has in this case.n   > :-)e > I > >>> Try again. Single CPU STREAMS results are generally limited by CPU,i4 > multi CPU results are almost always limited by the1 > memory/backplane/cross-bar/snoop bandwidth. <<<  > N > Memory bandwidth is a function of a number of factors: (extract from article
 > on this) > K > A memory bandwidth statistic describes the amount of traffic, measured in I > megabytes per second, that a computer system can move from one level of4 > memory to another. > J > There are, however, many different ways to report such measurements. For
 > example: > ; > - the bandwidth from main memory to the board-level cachet > - bandwidth from cache to CPU 5 > - bandwidth all the way from main memory to the CPU & > - bandwidth in the reverse direction  > - or bandwidth for round trips > - for single processors or > - for SMP systems 8 > - "raw" bandwidth including that used by bus protocols: > - "usable" bandwidth after discounting protocol overhead > N > There are many issues and ways of looking at this, so it is not as simple asG > you make it out to be (but you knew this before - right?). Note - TheoI > article does discuss using streams benchmark as one good way to compareyI > bandwidth measurements from different systems using a common benchmark.o > M > However, having stated this, you are correct that the posted streams number F > for the two year old EV67 ES40 Alpha system does not match the 5.2GbL > bandwidth for the NEW DS20E or ES40 EV68 883Mhz servers that I quoted from > our web page.. >   . You still don't seem to get it. The old result* was run in what is the current ES40 memory subsystem, it hasn't changed.   / Changing the CPU's to 833 Mhz will only change  . the single CPU result, but won't change the 4 / CPU result which is bottlenecked on the memory   subsystem.    9 More over you tried to use the "marketing 5.2 GB/s claim"f2 to try to prove the falsehood of tsmurphys STREAMS+ benchmark results and my follow on posting.b  1 Are you now trying to suggest that 5.2 GB/s does o. not refer to the bisectional bandwidth of the 0 ES40 and instead refers to some other bandwidth : like the total bandwidth of all the CPU's into their cache6 or the raw cross-bar bandwidth without coeherancy etc.  - If this is the case you need to retract your n. accusation of falsehood over tsmurphys posts, / retract your claim that my posts were incorrect . and clarify what measure you were refering to * when you claimed that the cross-bar switch bandwidth is 5.2 GB/s.  + If this isn't the case then you are simply t) incorrect, the STREAMS results prove thisr) and you need to eat even more humble pie.h   So which is it ??o   Regardsl Andrew Harrisony Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:18:20 -0700l! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comt8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!D Message-ID: <OF4C94FC77.BA5D881E-ON88256A3A.005EB007@foundation.com>  J Are you completely incapable of understanding that the subject had changed before I got involved?  G As I posted earlier, I have no direct knowledge of the bandwidth issuesoH here, but based on past experience of the pair of you I consider Kerry aI considerably more reliable source than you are. I expect if I had time oroK inclination to do the research, I'd find Kerry right again, and you being awF total spin merchant as usual. You have no credibility in my eyes. From$ others' posts, I know I'm not alone.   Shane           D andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/26/2001 03:51:21 AM  < Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma cc:l  9 Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!     " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: >oJ > Here we go again, Andrew. You responded to Paul by ignoring what he saidH > and trying to make one of your own points on another subject. Again. IK > explained what you'd done (although it was obvious), and you do it again. D > My post, and indeed Paul's, were not directly connected to Kerry's content I > - both were on the subject of your usual tactics. So, as you can see, I  all?J > did the homework set for the subject, and aced it. You, however, flunked@ > badly by turning geography homework in to the english teacher. >   1 Shane you are far too clever for me, there was me . thinking that Paul had attempted to change the4 subject because Kerry was BSing badly and obviously.  . When in fact you were both trying to give us a geography lesson.w  K > Now, if you want to change the subject back to memory bandwidth, that's al > different topic. >c  3 OH good, so are you finally after all the attemptedy+ avoidance offering to answer the question ?    Let me refresh you.   2 Do you support Kerrys claims of 5.2 GB/s bandwidth. and by default agree with his allegations that+ tsmurphys STREAMS posting is false ?  Its a  simple yes/no.  . Perhaps as you have offered to get back to the. bandwidth question after your most instructive1 geography lecture you could answer this question.   2 Of course if you don't actually have a clue either0 way then perhaps you shouldn't have got involved in the first place.y   > Shane  >mF > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/25/2001 06:39:09 AM > > > Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> >i > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comh > cc:l >a; > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!s >e$ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >hK > > Gee, Andrew, you obviously never studied English particularly well, didwF > > you? Still, I gave up expecting well constructed language from you years K > > ago. I was expressing no position on Kerry's post, because I don't known > thehH > > text of it. I'd lost track (and largely interest) by that point, and it'dG > > been snipped. I was simply pointing out your syntactic trap for then > rather > > feeble attempt it was. > >MI > > As for 5+GB, well, in the absence of direct knowledge if Kerry postedd it,o > IeJ > > have a lot more faith in its accuracy than if you posted it, let's put it0 > > that way. There again, that's not difficult. > >d >f: > So you responded to my post without reading the previous5 > posts in the same thread. How remarkable, don't you 3 > think you would be better off reading Kerrys posti# > and the one he was responding to.o >f4 > Oh no lets think that would be inconvenient if you; > read Kerrys thread you will then have to make a judgementu) > as to its veracity. Better not read it.  > 7 > Of course if you don't read it then you should not beo > posting responses should you.S >.2 > Seems to be another rock and hard place decision
 > for you. >p4 > To help you out the following lines are from Kerry > post.  >  > Kerrys posting >mA > "Yep, a real mystery how people can post such false numbers :-)  > A > Current ES40 and DS20E systems use a 5.2Gb/sec cross bar switcht
 > technology. H > I am sure folks here realize the difference between a cross bar switch > and, > standard bus technology."  >  > This was in response to. >tB > "I don't understand how somebody can post such a blatantly false > statemente9 > when stream is a click away. Here are the real numbers:h >u% > Intel Pentium 4 1.4 GHz - 1574 MB/s  > Compaq ES40 - 1338 MB/se > Compaq DS20 - 1323 MB/s  > HP B2000 - 960 MB/sl > AMD Athlon 800 MHz - 586 MB/sK' > Intel Pentium III 733 MHz - 544 MB/s"/ >s? > All you need to do is decide if the 5.2 GB/s claim is true or0> > if the STREAMS results published by Compaq, which the poster8 > Kerry is accusing of falsehood refered to are correct. >h9 > Perhaps instead of accusing me of lack of understandingo: > of the english language you would be better off actually5 > reading a bit of english. At the moment your school 5 > report for english reads "does not do his homework"r >o	 > regardso	 > > Shane. > >wH > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/24/2001 05:25:07 AM > >n@ > > Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> > >  > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  > > cc:y > >g= > > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!l > >p& > > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > > > J > > > Unless I'm misreading him, he's doing neither. He's using sarcasm to > take > > awH > > > potshot at Sun. And in response, you're doing a crude variation of theaD > > > "When did you stop beating your wife?" verbal trap. Run out of > > imagination, > > > eh Andrew? > > >I > >h' > > Actually you are mistaken its not an2 > > "when did you stop beating your wife" question/ > > but it is "between a rock and a hard place"-
 > > question.  > >20 > > Both you a Paul know that it is matketing BS( > > but to admit this would be terrible. > >t! > > Hence the attempt at sarcasm.e > >-3 > > What do you think of Kerrys claim, do you thinka1 > > the 5+ GB/s is marketing BS or the truth ????  > >e > > regards  > > > Shanee > > >vJ > > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/23/2001 08:58:12 AM > > >nB > > > Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> > > >r! > > > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como	 > > > cc:e > > >b? > > > Subject:  Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!u > > >  > > > Paul Repacholi wrote:e > > > >): > > > > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > > > >sG > > > > > "Main, Kerry" wrote: As is making claims for existing systemsl whichoE > > > > > are not supported by the data you youselves have published.r > > > >a$ > > > > OK Kerry, naughty boy! Smak. > > > >rF > > > > You should know that it is only aceptable to enrich the mental	 > gardenstF > > > > of you poor punters by spreading infomation based on NDA data. > > > >| > > >b/ > > > So was Kerrys posting bullshit or are your > > > defending it.t > > > 
 > > > Regards  > > > Andrew Harrisonb > > > Enterprise IT Architectw > >a > > -- > > Andrew Harrisonr > > Enterprise IT Architecte >n > -- > Andrew Harrison, > Enterprise IT Architect    -- Andrew Harrisonb Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:15:51 -0400o; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>t% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versione$ Message-ID: <3ae82d8c$1@news.si.com>  @ >Does anyone have a recomendation on a SLOW 1600 bpi tape drive?  - Gee, the TS05 was about as slow as they came.  -- EA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comu= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:00:35 +0200d+ From: "David Otten" <David.otten@gtech.com>t& Subject: Re: Optical Drive for OpenVMS) Message-ID: <9c8o3m$4fn1@news1.gtech.com>   + Sorry, Yes... It would make a difference...c  ? I have no experience of these as re-writable media - only WORM.m      9 "Piyush Avichal" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in messagen0 news:1oCF6.4988$QV4.418129@www.newsranger.com...I > I thought that OD devices were for WORM media. We are using Re-writablel media,J > and so didn't install the WORM components. Would this make a difference? >y
 > Regards, >E > Piyush >u? > In article <9c6i1j$atk1@news1.gtech.com>, David Otten says...t > >n1 > >Try using  the OD device, not the OM device...s > >e.g.K > >s) > >OPCONFIG ODS0: OMA100: <cachefilename>o > >  > >o > >Best Regards, > >n > >t > >David Otten > >i< > >"Piyush Avichal" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message3 > >news:gNwF6.4579$QV4.379372@www.newsranger.com... I > >> We have just purchased a HP Standalone(C1114R) Optical Drive from US  > >Designs.l7 > >> We have tried installing it on a MicroVAX 3100-80.sG > >> The software that US Designs provides(Optical SuperStor) seemed tos install  > >> without any problems.F > >> However, when we try to mount or initialise the media, we get the > >following > >> error message : > >>H > >> %INIT-F-DEVOFFLINE, device is not in configuration or not available > >>/ > >> Has anyone come across an error like this?v > >>I > >> At the >>> Prompt the device comes up as a JKA100, and when you do ay SHOW > >DEV. > >> from the $ prompt, it comes up as OMA100. > >>I > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated as we are in desperate need toh geto > >this 
 > >> working.  > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Piyushg > >> > >> > >m > >y >w >o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:31:49 GMTe& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: OT:  re Oraclee> Message-ID: <pjWF6.105711$o9.15394714@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>  K Once again I heard the Oracle advertisement saying that they (Oracle) savedeJ over a billion dollars by using their own software.  Is this because theirL software is so expensive, but they got it for free?   Would someone that has0 to pay for the software save that kind of money?   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:50:29 -0600 (MDT) " From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> Subject: Re: OT:  re OraclerG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0104260843430.11088-100000@athena.csdco.com>r   John,s  J I read an article (think it was in the WSJ) which stated that their saving7 was due to old-fashioned consolidation, not e-anything.   
 John Nebel    & On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, john nixon wrote:  M > Once again I heard the Oracle advertisement saying that they (Oracle) savedaL > over a billion dollars by using their own software.  Is this because theirN > software is so expensive, but they got it for free?   Would someone that has2 > to pay for the software save that kind of money? >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:16:26 -0400e) From: Bob Ricci <maxx0623@concentric.net>n Subject: passwords3 Message-ID: <021201c0ce63$dcfbd670$585b5cc0@Subway>   ' I am running open vms 7.2-1 on an alphadH We would like the help desk to change the passwords of our users withoutL giving out the privileges. Is there any freeware out there which would allow this?t   Robert V. Riccii Systems Managerg Drs. Associates (SUBWAY) 325 Bic Dr.e Milford, Ct 06460d  tel  203 877 4281 ext 1144  fax to pc 203 783 7144  fax 203 876 6682S email ricci_r@subway.com  or     maxx0623@concentric.nett http://www.subway.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:12:16 -0400i  From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil Subject: Re: passwords0 Message-ID: <01042612121667@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  [ From:	BEAST::JAMESE       "Ed James, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com" 010426 12081017>
 To:	jamese CC:	 Subj:	RE: passwordsd  O Bob Ricci <maxx0623@concentric.net> wrote on Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:16:26 -0400 in ( <021201c0ce63$dcfbd670$585b5cc0@Subway>:  ) > I am running open vms 7.2-1 on an alpha>J > We would like the help desk to change the passwords of our users withoutN > giving out the privileges. Is there any freeware out there which would allow > this?   J We use an oldie but goodie named PRIVCOM written by VMS Guru Jim Downward.L This program allows you to set up specific privileged tasks for unprivilegedM users. The original is in Fortran and I fixed up a version in C. I can zip ittF all up if you want to take a look. Here is the program header comment:  A C	The function of this Fortran program is to allow non-privilegedi@ C	users to use privileged, captive command files in a completely? C	safe controlled manner.  The sole function of this routine is,? C	to gather the command line, and then to Spawn off the commandm6 C	to PRIVCOM:PRIVCOM.COM.  The SPAWN flag bit 2 is setA C	on the SPAWN so that process logical names do not get inherited,B C	by the spawned process (For security reasons).  This would leave< C	GROUP logical names to worry about.  Since, it is now veryA C	fashionable to worry about security holes, and since unfriendlye@ C	users (hackers) with GROUP privilege could subvert this method< C	if unmodified, first off we make a check to see if PRIVCOM@ C	is defined anywhere else but in the system logical name table.: C	If it is not in system name table, tell user PRIVCOM did@ C	not get defined.  If it is in a Group logical name table, tell6 C	the user, that he/she is not allowed to have a group; C	PRIVCOM.  (Realy security conscious sites, could, at thisy4 C	point, send off a warning message to SYS$MANAGER.)  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919r; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919h5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:26:48 -03004) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brw Subject: Re: passwordsL Message-ID: <OF2486A797.3E8061C4-ON03256A3A.005A2B74@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  E I dont know about a freeware, but the way I use is creating a captive  account with a help desk( procedure and the the privileges needed.     Regardsd   FC        : Bob Ricci <maxx0623@concentric.net> em 26/04/2001 12:16:26  5 Favor responder a Bob Ricci <maxx0623@concentric.net>u             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comb       Assunto: passwords    ' I am running open vms 7.2-1 on an alphaeH We would like the help desk to change the passwords of our users withoutF giving out the privileges. Is there any freeware out there which would allows this?s   Robert V. Ricci  Systems Managero Drs. Associates (SUBWAY) 325 Bic Dr.i Milford, Ct 06460n  tel  203 877 4281 ext 1144  fax to pc 203 783 7144  fax 203 876 6682t email ricci_r@subway.com  or     maxx0623@concentric.net6 http://www.subway.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:29:40 -0300v) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: Re: passwordsL Message-ID: <OF3842DBA9.F4ABC541-ON03256A3A.005A7A1F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Just to explain right:  H There is an procedure (application) developed in GEMBASE with the list = of users in Oracle RDB database.wH All the "end users", except SYSTEM, FIELD, etc .. are in this database,=  soe& the help desk can change the passwords? without performing a password change in the priviliged account.n   Sdsl   F=E1bio Cardoso         : Bob Ricci <maxx0623@concentric.net> em 26/04/2001 12:16:26  5 Favor responder a Bob Ricci <maxx0623@concentric.net>o             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt       Assunto: passwords    ' I am running open vms 7.2-1 on an alphanH We would like the help desk to change the passwords of our users withou= trF giving out the privileges. Is there any freeware out there which would allowp this?r   Robert V. Riccil Systems Managere Drs. Associates (SUBWAY) 325 Bic Dr.d Milford, Ct 06460   tel  203 877 4281 ext 1144. fax to pc 203 783 7144  fax 203 876 6682p email ricci_r@subway.com  or     maxx0623@concentric.nete http://www.subway.comb           =o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:50:53 +0100 C From: "Lock Horsburgh" <lock@lhorsburgh.NO.RUBBISH.freeserve.co.uk>0% Subject: PCs Need to Query RMS files. / Message-ID: <9c9clr$oqg$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>t  B I need to provide access from PCs to the data in a big application  running on a VAX, under VMS 7.1.  < This is mainly a management information and ad hoc reportingB issue at this time, though there is a desire to Windowise the userF interface sometime, if only to stop people asking why they have to useH this ancient stuff. ("Because it works very well" doesn't seem to be the answer they want).  E Some of the data is in Oracle, so it should be fairly straightforwarde@ to use ODBC drivers that will allow pc applications to query the	 database.m  H However, older modules of this application use RMS files. There are 200+H RMS files, millions of records, and I don't know of any simple tool that$ will let PC users query these files.  @ One option would be to load all the data from the RMS files intoE Oracle every night, but that is a lot of processing and a lot of diskr space.  C There was a proposal to copy data into a PC database - like Access, A Paradox, or dBase - and let users query it there. This would seemt4 feasible for one or two smaller subsystems at least.B A lot of the interesting stuff is in floating point formats, so it7 would take more than just a straight copy of the files.w  B Obviously I'm not the first to have this problem, so I hoped maybe- somebody could suggest a better way to do it.c  ? Does anybody even have an opinion about whether one PC database G is a better target than another, due to import conversions or whatever?e  A I'm not very familiar with what is available on VAX/VMS, so theree? may well be something blindingly obvious to you that I have notr thought of.   > The budget is as near zero as makes no difference, by the way,F so cheap solutions preferred, but all suggestions gratefully received.       Lock.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:06:01 +0100q- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>p) Subject: Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files.n) Message-ID: <3AE83959.A4F55B0D@bbc.co.uk>t   Lock Horsburgh wrote:n  D > I need to provide access from PCs to the data in a big application" > running on a VAX, under VMS 7.1. >r> > This is mainly a management information and ad hoc reportingD > issue at this time, though there is a desire to Windowise the userH > interface sometime, if only to stop people asking why they have to useJ > this ancient stuff. ("Because it works very well" doesn't seem to be the > answer they want). >dG > Some of the data is in Oracle, so it should be fairly straightforwardSB > to use ODBC drivers that will allow pc applications to query the > database.s >eJ > However, older modules of this application use RMS files. There are 200+J > RMS files, millions of records, and I don't know of any simple tool that& > will let PC users query these files.  A There are ODBC drivers for RMS, though II havn't used any myself.c> I believe Easysoft (www.easysoft.com) do one as do Hummingbird- (Attunity Connect?, can't remember for sure).    Hope this helps.   >y >iD >  I'm not very familiar with what is available on VAX/VMS, so thereA > may well be something blindingly obvious to you that I have note
 > thought of.s >d@ > The budget is as near zero as makes no difference, by the way,H > so cheap solutions preferred, but all suggestions gratefully received. >    Sorry, can't comment on cost.y   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uko  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofK MedAS or the BBC.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:17:06 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files.u0 Message-ID: <SZWF6.257$5I.4798@news.cpqcorp.net>  u In article <9c9clr$oqg$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Lock Horsburgh" <lock@lhorsburgh.NO.RUBBISH.freeserve.co.uk> writes:p ..F :Some of the data is in Oracle, so it should be fairly straightforwardA :to use ODBC drivers that will allow pc applications to query theo
 :database....rI :However, older modules of this application use RMS files. There are 200+tI :RMS files, millions of records, and I don't know of any simple tool thatd% :will let PC users query these files.a  G   The FAQ has pointers to ODBC tools available for accessing RMS files.l  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:28:06 -0700o! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comc) Subject: Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files.eD Message-ID: <OF9EB62D2B.79B7BB98-ON88256A3A.005F70B5@foundation.com>  J Obviously, my recommendation would be to write the software on the VMS boxI and give the users a terminal emulator. It may not be pretty, but it suree would be more reliable.4  I Anyway, assuming that's not politically possible, we use a product calledpH CONNX for this kind of stuff. It presents RMS files to the PC in an ODBCI manner. It takes some setup, and it's slow (not surprisingly, consideringn/ the work it has to do), but it does do the job.e   Shanes          I Lock Horsburgh <lock@lhorsburgh.NO.RUBBISH.freeserve.co.uk> on 04/26/2001  07:50:53 AMn    Please respond to Lock Horsburgh2       <lock@lhorsburgh.NO.RUBBISH.freeserve.co.uk>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf cc:   & Subject:  PCs Need to Query RMS files.    B I need to provide access from PCs to the data in a big application  running on a VAX, under VMS 7.1.  < This is mainly a management information and ad hoc reportingB issue at this time, though there is a desire to Windowise the userF interface sometime, if only to stop people asking why they have to useH this ancient stuff. ("Because it works very well" doesn't seem to be the answer they want).  E Some of the data is in Oracle, so it should be fairly straightforwardo@ to use ODBC drivers that will allow pc applications to query the	 database.r  H However, older modules of this application use RMS files. There are 200+H RMS files, millions of records, and I don't know of any simple tool that$ will let PC users query these files.  @ One option would be to load all the data from the RMS files intoE Oracle every night, but that is a lot of processing and a lot of diskr space.  C There was a proposal to copy data into a PC database - like Access,rA Paradox, or dBase - and let users query it there. This would seemK4 feasible for one or two smaller subsystems at least.B A lot of the interesting stuff is in floating point formats, so it7 would take more than just a straight copy of the files.   B Obviously I'm not the first to have this problem, so I hoped maybe- somebody could suggest a better way to do it.   ? Does anybody even have an opinion about whether one PC database G is a better target than another, due to import conversions or whatever?   A I'm not very familiar with what is available on VAX/VMS, so thereb? may well be something blindingly obvious to you that I have nota thought of.p  > The budget is as near zero as makes no difference, by the way,F so cheap solutions preferred, but all suggestions gratefully received.       Lock.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:33:41 +0100v" From: Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com>6 Subject: Random access files from DCL and phone bills!@ Message-ID: <OF35636BF0.4B381E45-ON80256A3A.005AF9DE@eu.csc.com>  4 I declined the offer from my telecomms provider (BT)4 to have my phone bill in an [insecure] and M$ format3 for analysis, so I took on the task using a scanned 1 paper copy of my (20 odd page) bill and some DCL.m  . Using this code, I have determined the correct. entries for the "Friends and Family", although1 personally I would hesitate at describing some ofD. the numbers in the list as 'friends', and also/ determined if one of the many confusing billingf1 schemes may actually bring about any real savingsr. based on calling patterns from the phone line.  * Is anyone interested in me making the code* available? Standard DCL, SORT and CONVERT./ Interestingly it uses indexed files from DCL toe. make time and cost totals against each number.( Obviously Alpha or VAX, 5.5-2 and above.  3 The input is a or a number of TXT files with spaces 1 or tab delimited content from your fully itemisedi0 phone bill, (the  network services needs to have6 ringback removed as well as the time entries corrected4 to include the hours, plus all extra titles removed)2 with validation. The output is sorted files of top5 individual costed calls, duration, and total cost andw6 total duration against each number, and further splits3 into cheap rate and standard rate. It has the addedr3 feature of being able to take some obscure locationl4 and associating the number with a name, highlighting
 the unknowns.v  - Is it worth me tidying up the code and making>5 it publicly available? Or do I just enjoy masochisticu programming activity?d  ' Drop me a note nclews at csc dot com ors% nic at python dot demon dot co dot ukd   Regards, nic   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:54:24 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>v5 Subject: Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large fileD, Message-ID: <3AE844AF.9F374B1D@videotron.ca>  ( Thanks for the various responses so far.  M I checked the sectiosn documentation again, and it is true that for a private I section file, it doesn't consume GBLPAGES (sysgen) and PGFLQUO (process).-  M However, if I map a 100 meg file to my process' virtual memory,  Do I need to"N ensure that the system has enough virtual address space ? (remember, this is a: small memory system for which 100 meg is a huge quantity).    I Also, wouldn't the process' Working set limits have to be large enough tos accomodate the whole 100 megs ?b  M The SYSGEN documentation for VIRTUALPAGCNT is very fuzzy for VAX post 7.0. Is L there another parameter that defines how much total virtual address space is$ available to the system as a whole ?   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 19:10:11 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>05 Subject: Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large fileiH Message-ID: <y4pudzpoy4.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   O > However, if I map a 100 meg file to my process' virtual memory,  Do I need tot; > ensure that the system has enough virtual address space ?l   Yes.  K > Also, wouldn't the process' Working set limits have to be large enough tou! > accomodate the whole 100 megs ?e  / No. That's why it is virtual memory, after all!i   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 13:53:12 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org5 Subject: Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large file 3 Message-ID: <hnnG2nZzoZ5l@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3AE844AF.9F374B1D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:* > Thanks for the various responses so far. > O > I checked the sectiosn documentation again, and it is true that for a privateyK > section file, it doesn't consume GBLPAGES (sysgen) and PGFLQUO (process).t > O > However, if I map a 100 meg file to my process' virtual memory,  Do I need to@P > ensure that the system has enough virtual address space ? (remember, this is a< > small memory system for which 100 meg is a huge quantity).  D Yes, you do need 100 meg of virtual memory.  Which does consume someD amount of physical memory for the system page table entries that mapB the process page table entries that map the virtual address space.F (At least on VAX when I learned internals there -- don't know how manyD layers of indirection apply on Alpha or with current versions of VMS on VAX).  B Note that virtualpagecnt is a limit on per-process virtual memory,B not on some kind of system total virtual memory.  So its impact onH physical memory would be multiplied by BALSETCOUNT unless I am mistaken.; (And under recent releases of VMS, I probably am mistaken).b  K > Also, wouldn't the process' Working set limits have to be large enough to ! > accomodate the whole 100 megs ?o  E Certainly not.  Your process working set is a quota on how many pagespC you can have _physically_ present in memory.  Not on how many pages	= can be _virtually_ mapped.  Compare WSMAX and VIRTUALPAGECNT.i  E As others have noted, there is no serious performance gain to be madeeF by memory-mapping the file in question.  The performance bottleneck is2 going to be hardware disk I/O, not QIO setup time.  B As I have noted, memory-mapping the file puts you at a substantialD risk of royally screwing up your page replacement behavior by mixingF memory-mapped data pages that have poor locality of reference and code5 and stack pages that have good locality of reference.l   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:29:25 -0400e1 From: "Jackson, Louise" <louise.jackson@lmco.com>t Subject: SAMBAK Message-ID: <2C3A3BE59D91D411AF3B00508BE3FBDC698E23@emss09m10.ems.lmco.com>n  ? What is SAMBA, and how dose it differ from PathWork's software?d     Louise       Louise R. Jackson  Computer Systems Analyst  . Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems (410) 682-1645 V (410) 682-0447  (FAX)o EMAIL: louise.jackson@lmco.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:02:06 -0400 + From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>o Subject: Re: SAMBA# Message-ID: <sae80e4b.030@aaas.org>s  J SAMBA is an open source implementatino of Server Message Block, which is =F the Microsoft NT TCP/IP implementation of networking (and a mild Lan =I Manager cruft). It lets a Unix or VMS server pretend it's an NT server, =bH including things like server elections, acting as a domain controller, =L acting as an NT print server, etc. It's pretty nice, we use it in a couple =I of places under Unix. I read yesterday the new version even supports NT =  ACLs.g  J >>> "Jackson, Louise" <louise.jackson@lmco.com> 04/26/2001 11:29:25 AM >>>  ? What is SAMBA, and how dose it differ from PathWork's software?n    	 Louise=20      Louise R. Jacksoni Computer Systems Analyst  . Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems (410) 682-1645=20h (410) 682-0447  (FAX)h! EMAIL: louise.jackson@lmco.com=20i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:41:17 GMTo& From: rjchurch@nlhc.nf.ca (Bob Church) Subject: Screen Scarpers?S2 Message-ID: <3ae824b6.289143@betanews.thezone.net>   Hi,1  C Just wondering if anyone out there knows of any products which willuB permit a PC (Windoze) to intercept character-based data from a VMS/ system and present it to users in a GUI layout.    thanks in advance,   bobm   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:42:30 -0400 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> Subject: Re: Screen Scarpers?iD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010426104230.009d8e70@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hi Bob,t  K WRQ Host integrator is an excellent product. We use it all the time for WEBL enabling VT char based apps.   Regards,   Jimd  % At 01:41 PM 4/26/2001 GMT, you wrote:f >Hi, >pD >Just wondering if anyone out there knows of any products which willC >permit a PC (Windoze) to intercept character-based data from a VMS 0 >system and present it to users in a GUI layout. >t >thanks in advance,V >M >bob >o > 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-a7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.e8 -------------------------------------------------------- Jim Jennis, Technical Director Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 211 Discovery Road, Suite 2C Martinsburg, WV. 25401-0824e USA4  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 2356 Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com          jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:00:43 -0400o* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net> Subject: Re: Screen Scarpers? 9 Message-ID: <tvYF6.182026$lj4.5479004@news6.giganews.com>d  3 "Bob Church" <rjchurch@nlhc.nf.ca> wrote in messagea, news:3ae824b6.289143@betanews.thezone.net... > Hi,n >aE > Just wondering if anyone out there knows of any products which willhD > permit a PC (Windoze) to intercept character-based data from a VMS1 > system and present it to users in a GUI layout.c  1 Check out the folks here: http://www.pixel.co.uk/m  G (Do I need to mention that I work for a company that resells a modifiedl@  version of one of their products (HOSTACCESS) that provides GUIC  features to character cell applications and our VMS based products C (POISE) have been modified to take advantage of its features beyondf$ a  simple "screen scraper "look" ? )   [Just to be impartial...]rE There is also a product call Wintegrate, though I'm not familiar withh>  it or if it matches the above mentioned product or its' cost.  ; http://www.informix.com/informix/products/tools/wintegrate/y  > Most people buying these sorts of products are purchasing them* because their software vendor supports it.   Hope this helps.   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:24:48 +0100 + From: Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk>t+ Subject: Split internal SCSI bus on DS20???o8 Message-ID: <rrigetshdlaunnjen0tvp208231pkjhbvd@4ax.com>  F Quick question as I'm due on a clients site tomorrow....This is one of his questions.  C Is it possible to set up the internal SCSI bus on a DS20 as a splite! bus las in a StorageWorks shelf??y   			Ray.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:24:14 -0400y  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com1 Subject: Re: V7.3 in clusters w/earlier versions? 4 Message-ID: <C2256A3A.004E445F.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   See below, please.        9 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com on 04/25/2001 11:33:20 PM-  1 Please respond to moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.comi   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comc cc:p2 Subject:  Re: V7.3 in clusters w/earlier versions?        $ / norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes: /b /h /o /n= / >Does this encompass [heh, heh] Mixed-architecture clusterspA / >(with the VAXes running V6.2 and the Alpha's V7.3) with Volumea
 / >Shadowing?o /tI / At the very least, install the "new" shadowing kit on the V6.2 systems.   : Of course the V6.2 systems will be kept up to patch level.  G / You'll lose performance due to the disabling of caching in such mixedrG / version clusters.  Of course, any patches/ECOs created since V6.2 wasaL / being updated won't exist, so you may stumble on problems long since fixed / in more recent versions.  J I thought shadowing patches were being propagated back to V6.2 to maintainB functional compatibility.  Will this not be the case in V7.3-land?  K The working hypothesis would be that shadowing amoung V6.2 and V7.*highest*eH VAX and Alpha versions would be kept working under prior-version-support agreements.y   Can anyone confirm this?   / F / Why not upgrade the V6.2 systems?  There's a V7.3 for Vaxes as well. /   : For the usual reasons.  Third-party software licensing and; non-upgradability. Stability.  Scarce resources.  Desire too& migrate instead, but migration issues.   / -Mike  /h   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:02:33 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: V7.3 in clusters w/earlier versions?-0 Message-ID: <dMWF6.255$5I.4737@news.cpqcorp.net>  W In article <C2256A3A.004E445F.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:m: :moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com on 04/25/2001 11:33:20 PM ..% :/ norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:  ..H :/ You'll lose performance due to the disabling of caching in such mixedH :/ version clusters.  Of course, any patches/ECOs created since V6.2 wasM :/ being updated won't exist, so you may stumble on problems long since fixedr :/ in more recent versions.o :1K :I thought shadowing patches were being propagated back to V6.2 to maintaineC :functional compatibility.  Will this not be the case in V7.3-land?   E   V7.3 has a new I/O cache.  XFC knows how to deal with VIOC/VCC, butoE   you will really want to use XFC throughout.  You should be able to cF   use volume shadowing across V6.2 and V7.3, assuming you have CLUSIO ?   and later/related/mandatory ECOs loaded onto the V6.2 system.y  ; :For the usual reasons.  Third-party software licensing ande< :non-upgradability. Stability.  Scarce resources.  Desire to' :migrate instead, but migration issues.-  ?   VAX systems at V6.0 and later are a direct upgrade, there hasm>   effectively been NO major release on OpenVMS VAX since V6.0.  B   And OpenVMS migration is easier with compatible releases on the B   usual source (OpenVMS VAX) and target (OpenVMS Alpha) platforms.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:15:13 GMTu& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>' Subject: Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel?n? Message-ID: <5rTF6.100929$fs3.16088455@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>t  L Just so I don't make the same mistake,   why did that question piss you off?G Most of the questions that get asked on this board could be answered byoI reading the documentation.  And how many people know where and how to getlK hold of the 802 standards, and how many of them could understand it if theyo could?  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messageu' news:87elugijlo.fsf@prep.synonet.com...e/ > John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:n > G > > So, these slick little DS10s come with 2 onboard NICs. Does OpenVMSdH > > (in my case: 7.2-1) support Fast Etherchannel so that they appear as > > one NIC? >c& > Go get the 802 standards. Read them. >h > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.aB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.J > Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,$ >   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:23:41 +0100h0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>. Subject: Re: VMS Loyalist dies from starvation* Message-ID: <3AE8053D.E7DFA403@uk.sun.com>   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > 8 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > P > > As once it apparently was. CPQ is not completely oblivious to this fact, butI > > those on the inside maintain that the cost of the port would never befK > > amortized by SAP-on-VMS sales. If such a port was easily and affordablyeM > > do-able, and would make good economic sense, I suspect CPQ would go ahead  > > and do it. > N > Given the price of SAP, and the potential market, I wonder what type of crapL > the SAP code is that porting it should be so difficult. I'd really like toM > know that, given that SAP supports what - at least several different Unicesb. > and probably some of the IBM 370 & Co. OSes. >   @ Its not the porting thats the issue. Its the testing, OS skills, market development etc etc.o  = The actual process of doing the port is a tiny consideration.e   Regardso Andrew Harrison- Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:41:48 +0200u& From: abdullah <abdullah@nepco.com.jo> Subject: Re: VT POP3 client?9 Message-ID: <013601c0ce24$5a9f2ea0$ec036e64@nepco.com.jo>n  @ I m looking for the same thing,except i dont have the Pine also;F But what i found at last is i can use MS-Exchange server; and use this  command in the VMS-Mail program:   MAIL> Set Forward <Ip  address>s& with option for all or specific users;E The Ip address is the Ip address of your Exchange Message bridge headdK server: the one who send and receive messages in behalf of your VMS node asl POP3;eJ also, i used a forwarder entry (MX record) in the upper DNS to forward theK emails that should be received in the VMS node to the exchange server whichy3 will automatically route them back to the vms node;d9 even this is not good solution, it worked out except for:iB * the TCP IP version 5.0 does not support except the POP, not pop3B so part of mesages will be set of numbers not understable to users  > Sorry man, this is all i got; and i wish we find another thing   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 03:52:23 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i Subject: Re: VT POP3 client?, Message-ID: <3AE7D3B4.EE221067@videotron.ca>   Alphaman wrote:fD > If not, are there any other terminal based POP3 clients available?  L I have written a POP to message_router interface. It picks up my emails fromN the ISP's POP server and delivers it to message router (which then delivers itN to my allin1 mailbox).  It is home grown and not productized since there is no VMS market for such things.k  N To deliver to VMSmail, such a program would have to find the trick to fake theN sender's address so that the message would be replyable to the original senderK  as well as format each address in the RFC header equally so that REPLY/ALL 
 will work.  N If you just want occasional picking of up messages just to get their contents,7 you can easily use KERMIT to dump the mailbox contents.7   SET NET TCPc LOG SESSION MYMESSAGES.LOG SET HOST pop.myisp.com:110 CONNECTe   the stuff you need to send: 
 USER username 
 PASS password  STAT( (the above gives you number of messages)1 RETR n    (where n = 1 to the number of messages)0- DELE n    (where n = 1 to number of messages)  QUIT (or BYE, can't remember)  ; each message is terminated by a <cr><lf>.<cr><lf> sequence.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:56:03 -0000e0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.net>. Subject: Warning - Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition/ Message-ID: <teg6n3njv6of52@corp.supernews.com>z  % To who are Charon-VAX hobbyist users:a  E Since my Charon-VAX hobbyist edition will expire on May 1, 2001 (NextoG week), I checked Charon-VAX web site for latest version but I found outrD that they decided to suspend the hobbyist program for a while (untilA this summer!).  They mentioned that they rather are interested inaB commerical customers their first priority over hobbyist customers.> It looks like discrimination aganist hobbyist customers to me.# I am not happy with SRI's decision.e  D I will not able to use Charon-VAX hobbyist edition until they resumeE the hobbyist program.  Also, they are not considering to resume LinuxtC version of Charon-VAX hobbyist edition yet (Windows 2000 only). :-(a@ I have both versions.  On Linux, I will not able to use it after May 1, 2001 forever.    7 For more information, check http://www.vaxemulator.com.-  F Well, I still am developing my VAX emulator under my TS10 emulator butE I still lack Q-bus/Unibus (QCBIC) specifications for programming. :-(   
 Thank you,	 Tim Stark9     -- i, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:08:18 GMTg From: pivdop@ee.evid.tv Y Subject: Warning........Illegal evidence.................................................y, Message-ID: <CRWF6.5069$DQ6.6695@NewsReader>  8 Do you really know what is on your computers hard drive?1 Suppose you bought it second hand................e Think about it.........a[ Your PC contains mountains of evidence that could be used against you......................eH Your computer keeps a record of all your on-line and off-line activities  < You could of easily downloaded illegal data by mistake......@ Do you want people to know about your private life..............< You can not simply delete these files unless you have got EEG EE is ready for download NOW    http://mission.sexhound.net/eliminator/sc Get it now before it is too late...................................................................e fjuhnbellzglyk   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:53:23 +0200a! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>s8 Subject: Re: [BUG?] DCL_CHECK and READ /ERR=XXX /END=YYY& Message-ID: <3AE85283.171E5781@ims.ch>   Charlie, did you see that one?   Didier Morandi wrote:c > ) > Just a suggestion for the next version:i >  > $ type A.A >  > $ open/read a toto.txt% > $ read /err=READERR /end=EOF a linep > $ sh symb line > $ goto EOF > $! > $READERR:p
 > $ inq dummyb > $EOF:  > $ close al > $ exit >  > $ dcl_check A.An > D > -*- Charlie Hammond's unsupported DCL checker (Version V2.0-1) -*-4 > Checking file SYS$SYSDEVICE:[MORANDI.ISLK.KIT]A.A; > 0 > Starting Pass 1 -- 21-APR-2001 14:43:00.79 ...0 > Starting Pass 2 -- 21-APR-2001 14:43:00.88 ...0 > Starting Pass 3 -- 21-APR-2001 14:43:00.91 ... > ( > Procedure contains:     10 total linesG >                          9 code lines (including 0 lines w/ comments)B: >                          0 additional continuation lines7 >                          0 lines w/i $DECK/$EOD pairs / >                          0 comment only lines ( >                          1 blank lines > & >  LINE  CODE ---DIAGNOSTIC MESSAGE---6 >     6  LNR  label "READERR" not referenced (warning)! > Total of 1 error(s)/warning(s).i2 > -*- END OF LISTING -*-   21-APR-2001 14:43:00.96 > / > Fyi, the following doesn't trigger the error:l% > $ read /end=EOF /err=READERR a linec >  > D.   -- s6 MORANDI Consultants, Swiss Quality Computer Consulting6 avenue de Granges-Paccot 2, 1700 Fribourg  Switzerland1     Tel: +41.79.705.46.70 - Fax: +41.26.465.13.58v4  Visit our Web site at http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:44:44 +0200p! From: Didier Morandi <DMo@ims.ch>t? Subject: [INFO] SYSTEM-F-INSFSPTS, insufficient SPTEs availablee& Message-ID: <3AE8507C.3187E8D2@ims.ch>  	 Remember?>  G %SQL-F-ERRATTDEF, Could not use database file specified by SQL$DATABASEo6 -RDB-F-SYS_REQUEST, error from system services requestF -RDMS-F-CANTCREGBL, error creating and mapping database global section0 -SYSTEM-F-INSFSPTS, insufficient SPTEs available  O We have had a few weeks ago a discussion in here about these messages, the factoP that INSFSPTS is a VAX only message displayed on an Alpha system running OpenVMS3 7.2-1, and the parameters to change to suppress it.t  P At the Customer's place, I succeeded to raise the number of Rdb databases opened> at the same time in (by?) increasing GBLPAGES and GBLSECTIONS.  . Many of you said that I'm exhausting S0 space.  O A (real) Rdb expert from DEC^H^H^H COMPAQ Switzerland came to take care of this M problem. He said that S0 space was exhausted and that the next version of Rdbc2 should allow S2 access. ORACLE didn't confirm yet.   Fyi.   D. -- eD The fastest loading over-the-pond WEB page ever: http://www.wcxn.org   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.233 ************************