1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 27 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 234       Contents:" $99 for 175Million Email Addresses, Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%, Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%, Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%  Re: Adaptec controllers and DS101 Anyone got old terminals they want to get rid of? , Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?0 RE: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?0 Re: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?0 Re: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?0 RE: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?0 Re: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?/ Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ? / Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ? / Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?  Re: Fall of the Roman Empire Re: Fall of the Roman EmpireG Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame G Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame G Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame G Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame ) Re: Help required for a simple batch file 2 Re: IBM MQ V2.2 stops after VMS721_RMS-V0100 patch Re: Infoserver: Re: InfoServer on OpenVMS (was: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success) Re: Missing 000000.dir/ Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: Optical Drive for OpenVMS 
 Re: passwords   Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files., Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large file& Re: Split internal SCSI bus on DS20???# Tabular Timeline Tracking Tool (T4) $ TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wiped( Re: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wiped The Axe Falls Again  Re: The Axe Falls Again  Re: The Axe Falls Again < Re: Using VT220 as alternate serial console for DEC 3000-400 Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel? Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel? Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel? Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel?G Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference G Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference  Re: VT POP3 client? ) Re: Warning - Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:25:03 GMT " From: Sheryll<iagtmir3@excite.com>+ Subject: $99 for 175Million Email Addresses 4 Message-ID: <3M4G6.218525$Z2.2421236@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  i A half-page ad in the Sunday New York Times can cost more than $50,000 and only reaches 4 million people.   /   | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ |                175  MILLION           EMAIL ADDRESSES              FOR ONLY $99  /   | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ | ~ |   : This "Special Offer" is in effect for a Limited Time only.   This CD contains 136 Million email addresses and a list of 39 Million REMOVES, people who are known to request removal from emailers' lists. 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WE MAKE ABSOLUTELY NO  4 CLAIMS, WARRANTIES OR REPRESENTATIONS REGARDING THE 7 SUCCESS, POTENTIAL PROFITS OR ANY OTHER ACTUAL RESULTS  9 FROM THE USE OF ANY MATERIAL ON THE CD, OR THE SECURITY,  8 SAFETY, PERMISSIBILITY OR ADVISABILITY OF BULK EMAILING + TO THE EMAIL ADDRESSES CONTAINED ON THE CD.   ; The CD(s) you will receive come with a license agreement.   < By breaking the seal on the CD case(s) you will be agreeing ? to all of the terms and conditions of such license agreement.   7 Once opened the CD(s) may not be returned; however, if  8 found defective the CD(s) will be replaced at no charge.H ************************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 02:22:13 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 0 Message-ID: <87k847wmga.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  ' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:   F > And a big problem with NT Terminal server edition (multi user NT) isD > that a single user can bring the entire machine to a halt with oneA > command in Excel. We have users occasionally do something which E > causes Excel to try and allocate a few gigabytes of memory. Machine E > just hangs to the point where even the console doesn't respond. And F > there's no quota system to prevent this. Problem not addressed under > Windows 2000 either.  B Atrittion.org has opined that Win2K is less secure for Web serving than NT.   But is gets even better...  F M$ have pulled all there security fixes, and they are not available at6 the moment. Seems they have this slight virus problem.  1 See the Reg for details, if you have the stomach.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:43:51 -0400 + From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> 5 Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% # Message-ID: <sae83447.043@aaas.org>   K Christ, I don't know which is sadder: The software or the people who make =  it.   L We have two Metaframes here and the *IDEA* of a Windows Mainframe is cool, =J but when you look at what you have to work with (Windows) the idea falls = apart.  I The PC is such a toy. I would kill for a terminal revolution (and I was = J born after the Vax 11/780 came out). I want to go into my computer room, =H throw all the PC's off the 11th floor balcony, replace them all with a =E GS160 cluster and graphical dumb terminals with CD-RW and Zip drives.   L I know people in this group get angry at HP and Sun (who are shutting down =K for an unpaid week off this summer btw), but the stupid Personal Computer = J is our real enemy. For god sakes that had to jam a RISC microcore into a =H CISC chip to keep making it faster (and that was technology that Intel =D STOLE from a Chicago startup). It is the archetype for the perfect =	 cruft.=20   L I'm sorry for going off like that. I'm going to smoke a cigarette and tell =. myself that everything is going to be alright.  D >>> Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> 04/26/2001 2:22:13 PM >>>' Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:   F > And a big problem with NT Terminal server edition (multi user NT) isD > that a single user can bring the entire machine to a halt with oneA > command in Excel. We have users occasionally do something which E > causes Excel to try and allocate a few gigabytes of memory. Machine E > just hangs to the point where even the console doesn't respond. And F > there's no quota system to prevent this. Problem not addressed under > Windows 2000 either.  B Atrittion.org has opined that Win2K is less secure for Web serving than NT.   But is gets even better...  F M$ have pulled all there security fixes, and they are not available at6 the moment. Seems they have this slight virus problem.  1 See the Reg for details, if you have the stomach.    --=20 < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,%   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov=20    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:35:12 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 5 Subject: Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% ' Message-ID: <3AE87870.EE6B82F7@fsi.net>    John Eisenschmidt wrote: > F > Christ, I don't know which is sadder: The software or the people who
 > make it. [snip] > For god sakes   C Just my opinion, mind you, but I do take umbrage to such use of the H Lord's name(s) in vain. Other folks react badly to obscenities and other profanities. Watcha gonna do?   E I'm no angel myself - I'm just a bit sensitive right now, and I, like   you, felt the need to speak out.  G > I'm sorry for going off like that. I'm going to smoke a cigarette and 5 > tell myself that everything is going to be alright.   G I know - you're rather upset about the whole thing. I can relate. Since F you're gonna take a (few) deep breath(s) anyway, why not just skip the; cigarette and get the oxygen instead (without the poisons)?   ? I s'pose it'll be all right, eventually. Perhaps not during the D remainder of my career, but eventually. Those who come after us willG know OpenVMS as *THE* server o.s. of the 21st century - well, the first : decade of it, at least ... anyway, ... maybe, ... I dunno.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:53:50 -0500 , From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>) Subject: Re: Adaptec controllers and DS10 ' Message-ID: <3AE87CCE.45405CD9@GCE.com>    Alan Greig wrote: < Adaptec at least a few years back wanted a royalty on any OSB that shipped with driver code for their boards. That was of course? pretty discouraging for any VMS support. The royalty would have : been due whether or not their hardware existed in the box.  @ Given the existence of linux these days, this situation may have? changed (or someone may have replicated the code somehow); when > I heard of it, though, the code had to be used and they didn't want to budge on the cost.   > E > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:08:42 +0100, Graham 'Roll The Dice' Harrison * > <sir-dice@the-shades.demon.co.uk> wrote: >  > >Hi, > > I > >Sorry to have to say, but no an adaptec will not work, well not if you G > >want to run OpenVMS anyway.  All the DS-20's (NOT DS-20Es) have an 2 H > >Adaptec 78xx controllers on the motherboard - they work fine under NTI > >- but they are just not there in OpenVMS and there is no device driver  > >for them. > > C > >You could try E-Bay and Yahoo auctions, its amazing what come up F > >there.  (And a great way for a Hobbiest to get into lots of trouble) > >with the Partner/Bank Manager  (c8   )  > E > You married your bank manager? Well that;s an approach to financial H > management I hadn't considered. It;'s amazing the services banks offer > these days :)  > 
 > >Cheers,
 > >Graham. >  > -- > Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:44:20 -0400 ! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> : Subject: Anyone got old terminals they want to get rid of?8 Message-ID: <1fphetcfap0um5tghke4228shag2jjresp@4ax.com>  E anyone got any old volker-craig terminals, like the 400 series (450?) 4 been a long time, would love one. for a keepsake. :)   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:57:02 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>5 Subject: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed? ( Message-ID: <3AE89A07.38C0318@wi.rr.com>  B How do you set the default gateway on the blasted thing so you can	 manage it  over the network?   C I can't believe that such an elementary feature was left out of the  firmware on G that device.  Didn't Compaq do any testing before they released the MDR  to the public?   -Scott   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:12:27 +0100 5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com> 9 Subject: RE: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed? N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D58E@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  J I've checked and I can't find anything either, very strange.  I'm not sure if the MDR2 has this feature     -----Original Message-----+ From: Scott Vieth [mailto:svieth@wi.rr.com] ' Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:57 PM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 5 Subject: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?     B How do you set the default gateway on the blasted thing so you can	 manage it  over the network?   C I can't believe that such an elementary feature was left out of the  firmware on G that device.  Didn't Compaq do any testing before they released the MDR  to the public?   -Scott   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:31:24 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>9 Subject: Re: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed? ) Message-ID: <3AE8CC41.99D6DD37@wi.rr.com>    Oliver:   M Can you forward a question to "StorageWorks Engineering" or whoever wrote the  code forF the silly thing and ask how soon they can release a new version of the' firmware that supports a default route?   M Again, I can't believe that a product that is missing a key feature like that " was allowed into customer's hands.  K I also can't believe that the device has an option to use DHCP.  How do you  manageI a network device who's TCP/IP address could change every time it reboots?    Sheesh!    -Scott   "Steeples, Oliver" wrote:   L > I've checked and I can't find anything either, very strange.  I'm not sure > if the MDR2 has this feature >  > -----Original Message------ > From: Scott Vieth [mailto:svieth@wi.rr.com] ) > Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 10:57 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 7 > Subject: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?  > D > How do you set the default gateway on the blasted thing so you can > manage it  > over the network?  > E > I can't believe that such an elementary feature was left out of the 
 > firmware on I > that device.  Didn't Compaq do any testing before they released the MDRu > to the public? >: > -Scott   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:35:17 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?o, Message-ID: <3AE8CCD5.291CD303@videotron.ca>   Scott Vieth wrote:M > I also can't believe that the device has an option to use DHCP.  How do youu > manageK > a network device who's TCP/IP address could change every time it reboots?u  K You can program a fixed IP address for a device in the DHCP server. The bigeK advantage of such a setup is that your device will get the remainder of its D TCPIP config from the DHCP server (DNS, various TCPIP settings etc).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 03:07:56 +0100i5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>l9 Subject: RE: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?kN Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D3080116D58F@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>   Scott,= 	it is very weird as the FTC2 does have a gateway setting(FTCrK doesn't).  As for DHCP, there are some advantages as it can grab stuff from  the DNS server.h  H If you use a fixed IP on the MDR and configured on the DNS server then I+ don't believe you need a gateway (I think).   K I had a quick chat with some people and rumour has it that the new firmware , might contain gateway support, I found this:  @ http://www.compaq.com/support/files/server/us/download/9550.html  B The release notes are included but don't mention gateways, hmmmm..  : There is bound to be someone out there that has done this.   	Oliverl  0 PS: my views do not represent anyone but myself.   -----Original Message-----+ From: Scott Vieth [mailto:svieth@wi.rr.com]a$ Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 2:31 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com09 Subject: Re: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?h     Oliver:e  I Can you forward a question to "StorageWorks Engineering" or whoever wrotes the  code forF the silly thing and ask how soon they can release a new version of the' firmware that supports a default route?   H Again, I can't believe that a product that is missing a key feature like that" was allowed into customer's hands.  K I also can't believe that the device has an option to use DHCP.  How do youH manageI a network device who's TCP/IP address could change every time it reboots?-   Sheesh!a   -Scott   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:44:41 -0400f  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>9 Subject: Re: Anyone have a Modular Data Router installed?f/ Message-ID: <1010426223348.60771A@Ives.egh.com>r  $ On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, JF Mezei wrote:   > Scott Vieth wrote:O > > I also can't believe that the device has an option to use DHCP.  How do youI
 > > manageM > > a network device who's TCP/IP address could change every time it reboots?  > M > You can program a fixed IP address for a device in the DHCP server. The big6M > advantage of such a setup is that your device will get the remainder of its F > TCPIP config from the DHCP server (DNS, various TCPIP settings etc).  D I think the general idea is that you can do most/all of your networkC configuration management by modifying the DHCP config files on youreE DHCP server, rather than by individually configuring lots of devices.V  C DHCP allows you to specify an explicit IP address for a given host, F based on its MAC (ethernet) address.  I don't know if all DHCP serversD support this (in fact, I'm pretty sure the DHCP server in my LinksysE router/firewall doesn't), but non-toy DHCP's should.  I messed aroundiE some with the DHCP server in TCPWare several years ago and I rememberd it doing this.  C This way, all your network configuration ends up on your VMS backup2A tapes instead of being scattered around the building on a varietyo( of unbacked-up and unbackupable devices.    B I think the original question in this thread was was there any wayC to specify a default route for this device.  One of things DHCP can*C supply is a default gateway, so configuring it to use DHCP might doE
 the trick.   -- D John SantosL Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:24:58 GMT*4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?) Message-ID: <u%2G6.1815$%L5.32088@insync>   5 Jerry Leslie (LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net) wrote: = : Has someone already written a DCL procedure to convert such*8 : hex values to IP addresses acceptable to TCP/IP V5.1 ? :   8 Thanks to all of those who emailed and posted solutions.  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.neti;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:29:27 -0400n  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?/ Message-ID: <1010426211114.60771A@Ives.egh.com>   ) On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Tim Llewellyn wrote:e   >  > # > norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:  > N > > This seems to work better.  (The octets appear to need to be reversed from
 > > below,$ > > and the value needs conversion.) > >rO > > I note with admiration how much cleaner this is than the other submissions.  > >s! > > $ ip = f$trnlnm("sys$rem_id")d > > $ a[0,32]= %x'IP't > > $ a=[ > > "''F$fao("!UB.!UB.!UB.!UB",F$cvui(24,8,a),F$cvui(16,8,a),F$cvui(8,8,a),F$cvui(0,8,a))'"C > >T  I For some reason, when I cut and pasted this from PINE (running on VMS) it E wrapped at the 1st comma in the 4th F$cvui, which was missing from myS9 screen.  Took me a minute to find out what was missing...L   > [ >  sure, $FAO looks the neatest way, but why not upgrade to TCPIP Services V5.0A or higher,A > whichS > does the hard work for you?  >  > (LNM$JOB_811EF380) > 7 >   "SYS$REM_NODE" = ""10.72.8.60       Port: 0    "::"D >  >   $ ucx sh ver > ; >   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0Ae5 >   on a AlphaServer 1000A 5/300 running OpenVMS V7.1w >     
 On my system:t   $ tcpip sho verb  A   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 2*0   on a DEC 3000 Model 300 running OpenVMS V7.2-1   $ sho log sys$rem*   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)8   (LNM$JOB_8102F3C0)  "   "SYS$REM_ID" = "TELNET_C6B38446"%   "SYS$REM_NODE" = "Handel.egh.com::"1.   "SYS$REM_NODE_FULLNAME" = "Handel.egh.com::"   (>  @ So to get the "sys$rem_id" method to work, I had to change it to  ' $ ip = f$trnlnm("sys$rem_id")-"TELNET_"   ? the sys$rem_node method doesn't work since I'm getting the host = name rather than the IP address.  (Telnet client is Kermit-95e/ on a Win2K PC, but I don't think that matters.)a  : For other systems with TCPWare instead of UCX, none of the# sys$rem* logical names are defined.d  7 $ write sys$output f$getdvi("sys$input","tt_accpornam")n Handel.egh.com  ) Again, the host name, not the IP address.a   -- d John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:32:52 -0400o  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>8 Subject: Re: DCL To Compute IP Address From Hex Number ?6 Message-ID: <1010426212951.60771B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ) On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Tim Llewellyn wrote:,   >  > # > norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:K > N > > This seems to work better.  (The octets appear to need to be reversed from
 > > below,$ > > and the value needs conversion.) > >fO > > I note with admiration how much cleaner this is than the other submissions.i > >f! > > $ ip = f$trnlnm("sys$rem_id")- > > $ a[0,32]= %x'IP'  > > $ a=[ > > "''F$fao("!UB.!UB.!UB.!UB",F$cvui(24,8,a),F$cvui(16,8,a),F$cvui(8,8,a),F$cvui(0,8,a))'"  > >$ > [ >  sure, $FAO looks the neatest way, but why not upgrade to TCPIP Services V5.0A or higher,h > whiche > does the hard work for you?   E In my previous followup, I forgot to note that the F$FAO technique iscF not only the neatest way (basically one or two lines, depending if youE already have it in a numeric symbol) but also WORKS!  I.E. it doesn't B have problems with the sign bit if your IP address is greater than 128.255.255.255, as mine is.   -- o John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:07:15 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brH% Subject: Re: Fall of the Roman Empire L Message-ID: <OFD6690961.6E07F92F-ON03256A3A.00634DFA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  I UNIX ? It is not a roman name ..... It is Gaelic .. like AsteriX, ObeliX,c IdotiX , eXpensiviX ! :-)))(E It should be Unicus if roman ... (it remembers me a hungarian drink -  Unicum - horrible)     Regards=   FC            B bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) em 26/04/2001 14:50:45  = Favor responder a bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)l             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0      % Assunto: Re: Fall of the Roman Empire@    @ In article <OFA680B451.8491DDE7-ON80256A3A.004EBC07@eu.csc.com>,%  Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com> writes:l |> Ah. |>C |> This will probably also explain the Fall of the UN*X Empire.....v  E Yeah, it's a shame that Unix died,  I'm really going to miss it.  :-)a   bill   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:19:18 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comd% Subject: Re: Fall of the Roman Empire D Message-ID: <OF0D157149.DDF2BE8E-ON88256A3A.00648C22@foundation.com>  D Only time I'll miss it is if the gun doesn't shoot straight..... ;-)   Shane           E bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) on 04/26/2001 10:50:45 AM   = Please respond to bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)C   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml cc:e  & Subject:  Re: Fall of the Roman Empire    @ In article <OFA680B451.8491DDE7-ON80256A3A.004EBC07@eu.csc.com>,%  Nic P Clews <nclews@csc.com> writes:  |> Ah. |>C |> This will probably also explain the Fall of the UN*X Empire.....m  E Yeah, it's a shame that Unix died,  I'm really going to miss it.  :-)g   bill   --J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:13:00 +0100f0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>P Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame* Message-ID: <3AE8652C.6DBCB797@uk.sun.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > _ > In article <3AE83385.5583F8C2@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:t > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > % > > OpenVMS is also not secure unlessb- > > patched. Timely patching and notificationt/ > > of patches is just as important for OpenVMS) > > as it is for any other OS. > >e. > > If you havn't bothered following the patch- > > paper chase for OpenVMS then your systemsu- > > are as vunerable as the Solaris for Intele > > box was. > > > Well, I did not say VMS was perfect, but the last such patch% > I remember was over five years ago. E > Andrew, please put up or shut up with the identity of such a patch.M >   , Land and Teardrop have more current patches + than this and you would need to apply them n not to be vunerable.  + Alternatively you could be running a newer f' version of UCX in which case you would h& be OK as would the Pitbull testers if   they had been running Solaris 8.    ; > We are, of course, talking about VMS (you introduced it),-8 > not layered products I do not use.  IP problems do not > count. >   ) Of course they do, if you don't patch UCXc* you are vunerable to DOS attacks, which is) incedentally what the Solaris 7 hack was.   B > And remember, we are talking about a _security_ patch (mandatory@ > update in VMS-speak), not something that affects other aspects > of the operating system. >  >T  , If you read the report you will note that it" refers to a DOS attack on Solaris.   Regards  Andrew Harrisonx Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:13:34 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>P Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame* Message-ID: <3AE8654E.9D8D5726@uk.sun.com>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > D > Since there's apparently a fix, would you care to tell us what the > vulnerability was? >    Its a DOS attack.y   Regardsh > Shane  > F > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> on 04/26/2001 06:07:52 AM > > > Please respond to andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> >  > To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf > cc:. > M > Subject:  Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets thee
 >       blamea >  > "Bradford J. Hamilton" wrote:  > >o
 > > Hi Shane,h > >t > > Andrew has an out... > >  > > "The hack is likely to be aW3 > >  major embarrassment for the company behind theh; > >  high-profile hacking comptetion, despite its assertionh2 > >  that the break in has highlighted a major new= > >  vulnerability in the Solaris operating system running on0" > > *Intel x86* microprocessors. " > >d9 > > Sorry...I have no love lost for Solaris/Sun myself...o > >r > 1 > Sadly the hackers didn't find a major new hole,@2 > they "found" a hole that has been documented and. > for which a patch has existed for some time. > 3 > The Solaris 7 for Intel version that Pitbull used-1 > wasn't patched with this patch. It is perfectly 2 > possible that the hacker may even have tried the% > hole to see if it had been patched.d > 	 > Regards 
 > > --Brad > > >iH > > In article <OF234355D8.BF193EA2-ON88256A39.0074FCC2@foundation.com>,% > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: / > > > That's ZDNet's title, not mine. Check outaM > > > http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2001/16/ns-22388.html for the story. Here'sf > ah$ > > > paragraph to give you an idea: > > >tJ > > >     Sandone stressed that customers using PitBull need not acquire aK > > >     patch to secure their servers, as the vulnerability lies with the H > > >     Solaris operating system. Details of the vulnerability will be* > > >     published once a fix is created. > > >eK > > > I'd be interested to hear Andrew Harrison's view on this one. Andrew?e > > >aI > > > Anybody want to start an offline sweepstakes on what he'll say? :-)v > > >. > > > Shanet > > >d > > >i >  > -- > Andrew Harrisono > Enterprise IT Architect:   --   Andrew Harrisont Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 15:19:59 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)nP Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame3 Message-ID: <TAmfsLsUUJaq@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  E After I made a general comment about the undesirability of Patchware,   ` >> In article <3AE83385.5583F8C2@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  & >> > OpenVMS is also not secure unless. >> > patched. Timely patching and notification0 >> > of patches is just as important for OpenVMS >> > as it is for any other OS.l  C On it's surface, that speaks to VMS security, not layered products,e> and not any particular exposure that might make one think of a layered product.  < >> We are, of course, talking about VMS (you introduced it),9 >> not layered products I do not use.  IP problems do nott	 >> count.  >> d > + > Of course they do, if you don't patch UCXr, > you are vunerable to DOS attacks, which is+ > incedentally what the Solaris 7 hack was.   ; Please explain the vulnerability of not patching UCX if oneg4 does not run UCX.  This should be quite interesting.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Apr 2001 23:27:55 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)P Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame, Message-ID: <9caatr$o55@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ] In article <3AE83385.5583F8C2@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:t >c# >OpenVMS is also not secure unless o* >patched. Timely patching and notification- >of patches is just as important for OpenVMS h >as it is for any other OS.  >S  I A classic piece of FUD - containing a tiny nugget of truth on the top of 0 huge steaming pile of BS..  H Yes there are occasionally security holes in VMS that must be addressed,G but there is one every bloody WEEK in Solaris, and the vast majority of:I them allow root access to any pimply faced script kiddy with a few rubles I and a telephone.  I'm migrating to Solaris in spite of its security holestJ because I need some software that runs there and not on VMS (and for otherJ political/economic reasons which have long since been beaten to death). SoI I spent most of yesterday shutting Solaris security holes and am far fromII sure that I've closed them all.  I was particularly displeased to see all1H of the SNMP pieces which were running by default, half of which had CERTG warnings on them and no solutions, and which I didn't need in the firstFF place.  And when I went to restrict access to rpcbind was horrified toK realize that Sun still (as of 1/01) ships a version that allows connections G from *anywhere*.  The fellow who wrote TCP Wrappers had a variant whichNC would reject connections by IP number, so I installed that.  But I DG shouldn't have had to, the version in Solaris should have been able to   apply this filter already.  H Whatever other failings VMS and Compaq may suffer, inattention to system security is not one of them. .  , >If you havn't bothered following the patch * >paper chase for OpenVMS then your systems+ >are as vunerable as the Solaris for Intel  	 >box was.o  I Ridiculous.  I do not recall the last "attack from the other side of the oI planet over the internet with a port scanner and gain SYSTEM control on aeH VMS system" security hole.  Conversely, there have been so many securityJ holes of that type on Solaris that it would take an hour to list them all.   > ' >Not a good effort on your part Larry. o >    Nor yours Andrew.e   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech m   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:00:24 GMTd2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: Help required for a simple batch file0 Message-ID: <cf_F6.275$5I.5269@news.cpqcorp.net>  T In article <3ae847d7@news.starhub.net.sg>, "jack" <nutshell@cyberway.com.sg> writes:  G :I need to monitor a list of processes in a VAX system. When any of the D :processes die, it will log this event into a file with a timestamp.  I   Um, what problem are you solving?  Accounting and auditing can monitor 65   this for you, and will log entries on process exit.r  E :Unfortunately, I do not know much of VAX other than a handful of DCLs9 :commands. Could someone help or has an example to show ?w  B   Please acquire and skim the available manuals and documentation.B   The OpenVMS FAQ has pointers to examples, to training materials,   and to the OpenVMS manuals.s  A :Please send me a solution/example to vms_unix_newbie@hotmail.comI :Thanks very much.  !   Ask here, get an answer here.  s  0   Please see the attached (brute-force) example.  @   You'll need to modify the process name used in the program to A   meet your specific needs.  You'll also need to modify the delayl@   factor, and will probably want to disable the self-termination@   when the loop count is exceeded -- you could use a system-wide@   logical name or other shared resource to request the procedure   exit and close the files.e  ?   If you want to share access to the log file while it is beingo?   written, add /SHARE or /SHARE=READ to the OPEN/WRITE command.r  >   You must have the privileges necessary to access the target =   process -- you'll want to have GROUP or WORLD privilege fora   this process, most commonly.  ?   This procedure expects the process name that is the target to <   be unique -- process names are only unique within the same?   UIC group.  In your environment, this restriction may or may s   not affect you.i  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   	--b   $ close/nolog foo2$ $ open/write foo sys$scratch:log.log $ logged_it = "FALSE"1 $ loop_limit = 5 $delay_loop:+ $ if loop_limit .le. 0 then goto delay_donee $ wait 00:00:05a
 $ ctx = "" $ got_it = "FALSE" $process_loop: $ pid = f$pid(ctx)( $ if pid .eqs. "" then goto process_done! $ prcnam = f$getjpi(pid,"PRCNAM")6  $ if prcnam .eqs. "HOFFMAN_0034" $ then $   got_it = "TRUE"c) $   if logged_it then logged_it = "FALSE"- $   goto delay_loop2 $ endif1 $ goto process_loopm $process_done: $ loop_limit = loop_limit - 1T $ if .not. got_its $ then% $   if logged_it then goto delay_loop6! $   now = f$cvtime(,"COMPARISON")A) $   write foo "''now'  Process not found"  $   logged_it = "TRUE" $ endif  $ goto delay_loops $delay_done: $ close/nolog fooe $ exit   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 20:46:35 -0500+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt) ; Subject: Re: IBM MQ V2.2 stops after VMS721_RMS-V0100 patch=3 Message-ID: <ex6+nUWPzYpN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ( According to the release notes for MQ...  A      * This version of MQSeries for OpenVMS contains all fixes upo@      * to and including MQSERIES_ECO9_022 which is equivalent toO      * PTF U469416 on Alpha and PTF U469417 on VAX.                            n  " The VMS721_RMS-V0100 patch is V1.0  k In article <3AE57FBF.EED6BC91@deutsche-boerse.com>, Eckhard Wich <eckhard_wich@deutsche-boerse.com> writes:rF > Could you post the ECO version you were using and the version of RMSH > Patch you tried to apply? We currently run MQSeries V2.2 with ECO 5 at
 > VMS V7.2-1. = > Any experience with re-installing MQSeries and/or the ECO ?  >  >  > Marty Kuhrt schrieb: > < >> A word of warning for IBM MQSeries users on V7.2-1 before >> installing the RMS patch. >>@ >> After installing the VMS721_RMS-V0100 patch on my AlphaServerB >> 1200 running V7.2-1 of VMS, IBM MQ Series V2.2 software stopped? >> working properly.  The logs show accvios where none occurredMC >> before.   After backing the patch out, the MQ software went back.D >> to working properly.  IBM wants $5K for a support contract beforeA >> they'll even acknowledge the problem, more or less do anythinge >> about it. >    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 02:24:24 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Re: Infoservera- Message-ID: <87elufwmcn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  , "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> writes:  ? > Since the Infoserver's on the front burner, is there publicy-aF > accessible documentation on the protocol?  The Infoserver would be a > cool thing to run on Linux...   E Been done, but I don't know if it is around anymore. There was a unixaE server and client done by some one from ANU, but I've not seen it for  years.   -- L< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.,@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:00:23 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>C Subject: Re: InfoServer on OpenVMS (was: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success)u6 Message-ID: <1010426215550.60771D-100000@Ives.egh.com>  A As always, thanks for the incredibly detailed and rapid response.t  ( On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Hoff Hoffman wrote:  S > In article <1010426014457.5995A@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:F   [...]n > L >     VAX-11/725, VAX-11/730, VAX-11/750, VAX-11/780, VAX-11/785, VAXstationG >     8000, VAX 8200, VAX 8250, VAX 8300, VAX 8350, VAX 8500, VAX 8530,aK >     VAX 8550, VAX 8600, VAX 8650, VAX 8700, VAX 8800, VAX 8800, VAX 8810,.0 >     VAX 8820, VAX 8820N, VAX 8830, VAX 8840.     [...]a  3 P.S.  Did you know the VAX 8800 is listed twice ;-)-   -- - John Santos, Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:12:46 GMT  From: vmsmail@texas.net2 Subject: Re: Missing 000000.dirm. Message-ID: <3ae8b7a9.11857980@news.texas.net>  B On 19 APR 2001 15:49:27 GMT, Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:  ? >We have a (virtual) disk that's apparently missing 000000.dir:- >r >  $ dir vda3:[000000]> >  %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening VDA3:[000000]*.*;* as input" >  -RMS-E-DNF, directory not found% >  -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such files >nC >We're using VMS 7.2-1 AXP with Glenn Everhart's vddriver, althoughtA >I don't think either are at issue here.  (The disk is nfs-served4@ >to a Unix system and there was an attempt to backup/restore the= >disk using Unix-based software - it seems safe to say *that*mC >caused the problem.  It's a long story and I think we can say that  >it won't happen again.  Sigh.)l >n? >Since I can still do DIR VDA3:[*] and get listings of files insC >top-level directories I think we can use BACKUP to save the files,.B >re-INIT the disk and then restore from the backup save set.  WhatC >I'm curious about is whether there's a way to recreate the missinghB >000000.dir without the backup-init-restore sequence.  Anyone have >any suggestions?f >e >Thanks, >Davee >--------------7: >Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVI >Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself    Dave,l  A was this disk part of a mirror set..?. usually [000000] directory = structures indicate that the volume is part of a mirror set..    regardso Byron     vmsmail@texas.netu   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 03:30:22 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!- Message-ID: <871yqfwjap.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  2 andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  C > You still don't seem to get it. The old result was run in what ise7 > the current ES40 memory subsystem, it hasn't changed.a  ? > Changing the CPU's to 833 Mhz will only change the single CPUyD > result, but won't change the 4 CPU result which is bottlenecked on > the memory subsystem.-  A But it is NOT limited by the switch. THAT, was Kerrie's statment,n the D-chip bandwidth.o  " I quote below so you are reminded.  A = Current ES40 and DS20E systems use a 5.2Gb/sec cross bar switch-D = technology.  I am sure folks here realize the difference between a0 = cross bar switch and standard bus technology."  1 Now, what part of the above don't you understand.   E BTW, when are we going to see the no-prefetch Sun SPEC result Andrew?.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 02:47:53 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versione- Message-ID: <8766frwl9i.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  = "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> writes:w  B > >Does anyone have a recomendation on a SLOW 1600 bpi tape drive?  / > Gee, the TS05 was about as slow as they came.   A Oh yes... If they are on a single speed controller. I'd forgotteno( that, mine auto switches from 25 to 100.     -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.w@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:57:43 -0500r, From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>& Subject: Re: Optical Drive for OpenVMS& Message-ID: <3AE87DB7.187D69E@GCE.com>  > A recent DKdriver (and not all that recent is required) should) be able to handle optical r/w media fine.s   David Otten wrote: > - > Sorry, Yes... It would make a difference...e > A > I have no experience of these as re-writable media - only WORM.e > ; > "Piyush Avichal" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in messagek2 > news:1oCF6.4988$QV4.418129@www.newsranger.com...K > > I thought that OD devices were for WORM media. We are using Re-writabler > media,L > > and so didn't install the WORM components. Would this make a difference? > >j > > Regards, > >r
 > > Piyush > >hA > > In article <9c6i1j$atk1@news1.gtech.com>, David Otten says...  > > >l3 > > >Try using  the OD device, not the OM device...h	 > > >e.g.. > > > + > > >OPCONFIG ODS0: OMA100: <cachefilename>e > > >s > > >r > > >Best Regards, > > >  > > >- > > >David Otten > > >n> > > >"Piyush Avichal" <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote in message5 > > >news:gNwF6.4579$QV4.379372@www.newsranger.com...nK > > >> We have just purchased a HP Standalone(C1114R) Optical Drive from US 
 > > >Designs.s9 > > >> We have tried installing it on a MicroVAX 3100-80. I > > >> The software that US Designs provides(Optical SuperStor) seemed tot	 > installo > > >> without any problems.H > > >> However, when we try to mount or initialise the media, we get the > > >following > > >> error message : > > >>J > > >> %INIT-F-DEVOFFLINE, device is not in configuration or not available > > >>1 > > >> Has anyone come across an error like this?n > > >>K > > >> At the >>> Prompt the device comes up as a JKA100, and when you do ae > SHOW > > >DEV0 > > >> from the $ prompt, it comes up as OMA100. > > >>K > > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated as we are in desperate need to  > get 	 > > >this  > > >> working.e > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >>
 > > >> Piyusht > > >> > > >> > > >d > > >q > >a > >    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 21:17:36 -0500+ From: kuhrt@encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)l Subject: Re: passwords3 Message-ID: <xPX4sfHxyS8L@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <021201c0ce63$dcfbd670$585b5cc0@Subway>, Bob Ricci <maxx0623@concentric.net> writes:n) > I am running open vms 7.2-1 on an alphaoJ > We would like the help desk to change the passwords of our users withoutN > giving out the privileges. Is there any freeware out there which would allow > this?t  A There is a product called XUAFMAESTRO from HIS Software that can -@ do this.  You can configure the product so that designated users> of the product can only access the users, groups and/or fields@ of a UAF record you specify.  So, you could configure it to only? allow the changing of the password field, for instance.  It hasfB an X windows interface, so it'll make the point-n-clickers happy. A It can attach to any node in the network via DECnet or IP, and ito< also has logging and roll-back features (i.e. oops, unchange that!).>  @ I used to do support for this product, and it was rock-solid.  A< vast majority of support calls were the "how do I make it do this" type of RTFM calls.     ; I don't work for the company that sold it in the states any @ longer, so don't think I'm pimping a product for any reason than I found it useful.   Martyt   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:56:13 GMTh' From: Michael Austin <austinms@att.net> ) Subject: Re: PCs Need to Query RMS files.e' Message-ID: <3AE8DF81.C8E8B626@att.net>l  K I have written a very basic web-based "report viewer" for VMS works great..TK uses a bit of DCL CGI and some HTML.  Very easy to use, but it also depends6* on what kind of "querying" you want to do.   Michael Austin First DBA Source, Inc./ Oracle Rdb and Oracle Database/ Web Consultant.o   Lock Horsburgh wrote:s  D > I need to provide access from PCs to the data in a big application" > running on a VAX, under VMS 7.1. >n> > This is mainly a management information and ad hoc reportingD > issue at this time, though there is a desire to Windowise the userH > interface sometime, if only to stop people asking why they have to useJ > this ancient stuff. ("Because it works very well" doesn't seem to be the > answer they want). >hG > Some of the data is in Oracle, so it should be fairly straightforwardhB > to use ODBC drivers that will allow pc applications to query the > database.o >cJ > However, older modules of this application use RMS files. There are 200+J > RMS files, millions of records, and I don't know of any simple tool that& > will let PC users query these files. >aB > One option would be to load all the data from the RMS files intoG > Oracle every night, but that is a lot of processing and a lot of disk  > space. >fE > There was a proposal to copy data into a PC database - like Access,dC > Paradox, or dBase - and let users query it there. This would seemo6 > feasible for one or two smaller subsystems at least.D > A lot of the interesting stuff is in floating point formats, so it9 > would take more than just a straight copy of the files.l >sD > Obviously I'm not the first to have this problem, so I hoped maybe/ > somebody could suggest a better way to do it.h >NA > Does anybody even have an opinion about whether one PC databaseII > is a better target than another, due to import conversions or whatever?  >pC > I'm not very familiar with what is available on VAX/VMS, so thereyA > may well be something blindingly obvious to you that I have notI
 > thought of.t >e@ > The budget is as near zero as makes no difference, by the way,H > so cheap solutions preferred, but all suggestions gratefully received. >d > Lock.a   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 03:46:30 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>5 Subject: Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large file - Message-ID: <87wv87v3zd.fsf@prep.synonet.com>o  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:l  F > However, if I map a 100 meg file to my process' virtual memory, Do IC > need to ensure that the system has enough virtual address space ?cF > (remember, this is a small memory system for which 100 meg is a huge > quantity).  A > Also, wouldn't the process' Working set limits have to be largef+ > enough to accomodate the whole 100 megs ?   B > The SYSGEN documentation for VIRTUALPAGCNT is very fuzzy for VAXB > post 7.0. Is there another parameter that defines how much total? > virtual address space is available to the system as a whole ?t  @ On a Vax, yes, it could be a problem. Mind you, 100MB isn't that" large... On an Alpha, it's a snap.  E You may want to look at the memory quotas so it does not hog too muchf1 memory. Paging is a far more efficient way to go.U   -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.w@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:40:28 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>/ Subject: Re: Split internal SCSI bus on DS20???a' Message-ID: <GCEx7G.KBD@spcuna.spc.edu>p  - Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk> writes:aH > Quick question as I'm due on a clients site tomorrow....This is one of > his questions. >eE > Is it possible to set up the internal SCSI bus on a DS20 as a splitr# > bus las in a StorageWorks shelf??x  H   Sure. I've done it with two DS20's. You need a H8520-AA Ultra SCSI busH splitter kit (inconveniently discontinued by Compaq on April 14th, 2000)F and sometimes you'll need some of the cables in the PB7HA-BA kit (dis-  continued on August 24th, 2000).  G   Actually, the real part number for the DS20 bus splitter is H8253-AA,pG but it's the same parts (different manual) and it is also discontinued.p  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:22:33 GMT-/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> , Subject: Tabular Timeline Tracking Tool (T4)) Message-ID: <3AE82118.3E2B9AEF@uiowa.edu>r  G I have read about T4 a couple times now, but have not been able to find D it anywhere on the OpenVMS web pages or software rollout lists, etc.  G Does anyone know the status of this product or where there is more infoo	 about it?5   Regards, Rick -- oH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479_   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:48:52 GMTl4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)- Subject: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wiped ) Message-ID: <8e4G6.1817$%L5.32191@insync>y Keywords: vms, tcp/ip,ucx   > TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 will delete all3 local hosts when the following command is executed:t     $ tcpip set nohost /noconforma  @ V5.1 will ask for a confirmation for each node if the /NOCONFORM qualifier is omitted:d     $ tcpip set nohost f  B It would be more consistent to require an asterisk to be specified9 if all nodes are to be deleted from the local hosts file:s  !   $ tcpip set nohost /noconform *     % --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edu /                  leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net1;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidh2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)N ==============================================================================  D Don't try this at home, without making a backup of TCPIP$HOST.DAT...    $ tcpip show versionn  9     Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1aC     on a COMPAQ AlphaServer DS20E 500 MHzP running OpenVMS V7.2-1  n       $ tcpip show host olysc2        c        LOCAL databasel      Host address    Host name   A   149.183.27.52   OLYSC2     $ tcpip set nohost /noconform    $ tcpip show host olysc2  *   %TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found   -RMS-E-RNF, record not found     $ tcpip show host/localf  1   %TCPIP-E-HOSTERROR, cannot process host request$*   -TCPIP-W-NORECORD, information not found   -RMS-E-RNF, record not found   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:35:34 -0500-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>p1 Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wipedr' Message-ID: <3AE8E906.C9E9BEB8@fsi.net>n   Jerry Leslie wrote:F > @ > TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 will delete all5 > local hosts when the following command is executed:a > ! >   $ tcpip set nohost /noconformo [snip]  G I seem to remember that being a "feature" all the way back to UCX V4.x.a  + BTW - isn't that supposed to be "/CONFIRM"?i   -- e David J. DachteraN dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 14:41:17 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: The Axe Falls Again' Message-ID: <3AE879DD.E3D437D2@fsi.net>0  ! Didn't we just do this last year?w   YES!  G Well, with the state the ecomony is in, I guess a fund-raising oriented,& outfit was bound to have its problems.  A So, I'll ask my Chicago-area colleagues again if they know of any  OpenVMS work to be had.1  E Of course, the state of the Chicago-area OpenVMS market is even worse0G than the place I just came from. So, it'll be a battle up a bit steeperA hill than last year, no doubt.  H Guess I oughtta go see about that job on the garbage truck... Some other? "home-based" business (beside EDP and consulting), ... I dunno.    Whaddaya think?    -- n David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systems8 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.%   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:57:26 -0400d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>   Subject: Re: The Axe Falls Again, Message-ID: <3AE8A7D1.14539B53@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:G > Of course, the state of the Chicago-area OpenVMS market is even worseaI > than the place I just came from. So, it'll be a battle up a bit steepere  > hill than last year, no doubt.  M Welcome to the club. I really wish I'd win 10 million bucks at the lottery sonJ that I could operate my own self-funded .COM based on VMS and prove to the( world that VMS can do the job very well.  J I am thinking of giving up on comuting alltogether. Get a job at McDonaldsI where I'd have more job security than struggling as a VMS consultant withe little market for my skills.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:31:38 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>w  Subject: Re: The Axe Falls Again' Message-ID: <3AE8E81A.CB59B5DB@fsi.net>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > # > Didn't we just do this last year?s >  > YES! > I > Well, with the state the ecomony is in, I guess a fund-raising oriented ( > outfit was bound to have its problems. > C > So, I'll ask my Chicago-area colleagues again if they know of anyA > OpenVMS work to be had.m  G A *VERY* large thank you to everyone who wrote - and even CALLED! Y'alle are a great bunch of folks!g  D I sent out six resumes last night and another four tonight, thanx to your leads.>  B I'll keep my eye on Monster and Dice. If anyone knows of any other) possible sources, please pass them along!s   Again, many, *MANY* thanx!   -- g David J. Dachterah dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:49:15 GMTo/ From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood)rE Subject: Re: Using VT220 as alternate serial console for DEC 3000-400l2 Message-ID: <3ae8c208.604148442@news.telocity.com>  ? On my DEC 3000-400S (no graphics) unit at work, there is an MMJ F connector that is the console port.  The DB25 shows up as TTA1: and isB connected to my UPS.  I do believe you would need to change the S3E switch if the machine was running from a graphics console, but I havef no experience with that.   Steve-  B On 25 Apr 2001 15:46:03 GMT, praratgl@aol.com (Gary Prarat) wrote:  > >I have purchased a VT220 to use as console for DEC 3000-400. A >I have attached it to the DEC 3000 using a DB25 cable that worksn >with HP printer. A >The 220 passes self test fine and I can make changes to it using  >the F3 key. >v< >However, when I boot the Alpha nothing shows up on VT 220.  >. >Do I reset the S3 switch. ?8 >Is there an alternate console command I need to insert?@ >Am I using the right DB25 cable. Any help would be appreciated. >Thanks, > 
 >Gary Prarat 9   Steven P. Underwood,DNRC Whitinsville,MAw StevenU@POBoxes.com    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 02:40:14 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel?@- Message-ID: <87ae53wlm9.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   ( "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:  C > Just so I don't make the same mistake, why did that question piss.D > you off?  Most of the questions that get asked on this board couldE > be answered by reading the documentation.  And how many people knowdF > where and how to get hold of the 802 standards, and how many of them$ > could understand it if they could?  F Oh dear, two Johns... JE asked a 'non-question'. The answer to what heF asked is "Turn one off", or "No", but that is not what he is on about.  C But I don't know what he IS trying to ask! I suspect if he knew theuE correct way to put the question, he would then know the answer, or ateC least what he needs done, even if he needed to ask how. Or where toa
 find out how.   ) You are right about the 802 stuff though!   F I suspect JE is looking to having a '200Mb ethernet'. Maybe... But any@ answer to THAT, will be a big risk off leading him into a bigger swamp.  ; Having just read the linux.help group didn't help either...    -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.n@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov h   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 16:36:51 -05001 From: Graham Allan <allan@physics.umn.edu.nospam>r' Subject: Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel?t2 Message-ID: <w53d79z1gy4.fsf@pitcairn.spa.umn.edu>  . Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:  * > "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> writes: > E > > Just so I don't make the same mistake, why did that question pisstF > > you off?  Most of the questions that get asked on this board couldG > > be answered by reading the documentation.  And how many people knowoH > > where and how to get hold of the 802 standards, and how many of them& > > could understand it if they could? > H > Oh dear, two Johns... JE asked a 'non-question'. The answer to what heH > asked is "Turn one off", or "No", but that is not what he is on about. > E > But I don't know what he IS trying to ask! I suspect if he knew the G > correct way to put the question, he would then know the answer, or atdE > least what he needs done, even if he needed to ask how. Or where to  > find out how.m > + > You are right about the 802 stuff though!s > H > I suspect JE is looking to having a '200Mb ethernet'. Maybe... But anyB > answer to THAT, will be a big risk off leading him into a bigger > swamp.  I Well, I understood the question. I think the answer is still simply "no".r  I I have heard that Tru64 Unix 5.1A or later may have support for somethingeG which sounds like Cisco fast etherchannel. I think the term "blastpath"fJ was used, whatever that means - I assume it has to be compatible with fast= etherchannel, anyway, or it probably wouldn't be of much use.eG I don't know if Tru64 support might imply it could also be supported ond VMS in future...   Graham -- aI ------------------------------------------------------------------------- , Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of MinnesotayI -------------------------------------------------------------------------a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:47:16 -0400 + From: John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org>-' Subject: Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel?1# Message-ID: <sae85f3a.014@aaas.org><   So what was I asking.c  L If we take a piece of PC hardware (which I was crucifying earlier, make no =K mistake) which has two onboard NICs, whether I put NT or OpenBSD on it, I =TI can configure those two NICs to act as 1, bound to the same IP address. =dD Now, call it trunking, fast etherchannel, whatever, it is two NICs =- behaving as one for throughput and reundancy.a  L My question was simply is that possible under OpenVMS? Can I treat the two =H onboard NICs in the DS10 as 1 with a single IP address? And if so, how = would I go about doing that.  J The 802 standards are fun. My favorite is when Novell reverse engineered =H 802.3 for IPX and did it wrong so that a single malformed packet could =( abend the server each and every time.=20  D >>> Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> 04/26/2001 2:40:14 PM >>>( "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> writes:  C > Just so I don't make the same mistake, why did that question pissrD > you off?  Most of the questions that get asked on this board couldE > be answered by reading the documentation.  And how many people know F > where and how to get hold of the 802 standards, and how many of them$ > could understand it if they could?  F Oh dear, two Johns... JE asked a 'non-question'. The answer to what heF asked is "Turn one off", or "No", but that is not what he is on about.  C But I don't know what he IS trying to ask! I suspect if he knew theaE correct way to put the question, he would then know the answer, or at C least what he needs done, even if he needed to ask how. Or where tos
 find out how.t  ) You are right about the 802 stuff though!m  F I suspect JE is looking to having a '200Mb ethernet'. Maybe... But any@ answer to THAT, will be a big risk off leading him into a bigger swamp.  ; Having just read the linux.help group didn't help either...o   --=20a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,%   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov=20,   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 01:41:07 GMT.+ From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>-' Subject: Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel?r< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0104261839260.2140-100000@jaipur>  - On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, John Eisenschmidt wrote: L > My question was simply is that possible under OpenVMS? Can I treat the twoH > onboard NICs in the DS10 as 1 with a single IP address? And if so, how > would I go about doing that.  I I believe Multinet 4.3 can do that.  Don't know about TCP/IP Services formA OpenVMS (UCX)... probably not in v5.0.  Don't know about new 5.1.o   -Ryane   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 21:36:10 +0100w4 From: "John D. Peedle" <john@peedle.freeserve.co.uk>P Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference. Message-ID: <9ca0j8$g5o$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>  7 Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messageo' news:871yqgihtm.fsf@prep.synonet.com...h <snip> > /mode=heretic  >sF > > My pet Home Computer soapbox is that Joe Public shouldn't be using? > > something like a PC. Its too complicated, breakable, noisy, G > > expensive etc, etc.  Joe/Jill needs something that will let him/her0H > > write the book, letter whatever, do the family accounts, collect the > > email and browse the web.t >i > And is solid and secure.   Agreed   >hA > >  Their children need something that will run the latest game.h >c" > Pity you mentioned the G word :(   But they do... don't they!!-   >-H > > Whatever it is, it shouldn't require a hideously complicated OS withE > > a broken interface and enough breakable bits to shake a stick at.e >gD > NO, it requires the HIGHEST level of OS! You do not have people toH > support and paper over the crocks, the system has to do, or never needD > all that stuff. The 'small simple' system is the WORST thing for aD > home system. If you put a system like that between 2 kids, it willB > last about 3 seconds in the cross fire of them 'getting' at each5 > other. It's more vicious that unix terminal wars...e  J Paul, you never played with a Sinclair Spectrum, Commodore 64 or BBC ModelK B? The whole point was that you switched it on and it was there, instantly.hI With a disk drive rather than tape loading, the games loaded (relatively)mI quickly. If you had a ROM cartridge, it was effectively instant. The wordeE processor etc was the same and there was NOTHING to break or go wrong K (except the hardware)!! The modern equivalent of this is the Playstation et06 al. You turn it on, you insert the CD and away you go.  I I think you may be confusing quality with complexity? I agree that the OS1L should be of the highest quality certainly. As far as the user experience isI concerned, it should be as simple and straight-forward as possible. AfteroG all, when it goes wrong why should they have to go into the guts of theeH thing to fix it? I am not suggesting that it should be simple in design, just in the interface.  G We now have PCs which require regular attention to the OS, applicationsiL which break the OS, (DirectX and the like) and to cap it all, you can't just6 turn it off when you finish, you have to shut it down.  G Whilst business OS like VMS, UNIX, (insert your favourite here) etc arefL secure, stable and reliable in the hands of a trained engineer or a suitablyA locked down user, I do not feel this is appropriate for the home.r  # And by the way, I have 4 children!!r   Regards,   John D. PeedleK Still looking for a good signature that someone else hasn't already thoughtw of!    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:22:45 -0400e- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>iP Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference( Message-ID: <3AE88392.D83EA3FE@ohio.edu>  K Remember that the whole point of RISC vs CISC is supposed to be that makingqM it RISC means having to use more instructions to accomplish a task, but being K able to execute so many more instructions per second that the job gets donei sooner anyway.  L Since VAX is a CISC architecture, it is axiomatic that a 1 GHz VAX should be% expected to outperform a 1 GHz Alpha.   I The fact that there are 1 GHz chips in the IA-32 space tells us that fast=K CISC is possible.  What it would have taken to make a 1 GHz VAX chip is farh beyond my knowledge.  #                                 RDPs     Bill Gunshannon wrote:  , > In article <3AE6E7F6.874E1B82@uk.sun.com>,5 >  andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:- > |>H > |> Its also rather like saying a 5 GHz Pentium III would be the worldsF > |> fastest CPU. Intel cannot build a 5 GHz Pentium III any more thanB > |> the Intel FAB could build a 1 GHz VAX. One reason why DigitalB > |> focused on Alpha was that it could be clocked faster than the	 > |> VAX./ >aE > Sadly, we will never know if a 1Ghz (or faster) VAX was doable, butRF > I have learned from experience in this industry to never believe anyG > absolute statement like the above.  I have already seen processors ofDG > a particular architecture running faster than "the experts" said they  > wold ever be able to run.- > C > Not to mention a 1Ghz P-III laptop when I can still remember thatrE > there was never going to be a P-II of any speed because of the heatn > generated. >m? > Seymour Cray built a company on a vision none of his previous]A > employers were capable of sharing.  The only thing that is sureC. > to be impossible is that which is not tried. >R > bill >e > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Apr 2001 17:54:32 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)sP Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference3 Message-ID: <iGjweOQQnkLo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <3AE88392.D83EA3FE@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes: > N > Since VAX is a CISC architecture, it is axiomatic that a 1 GHz VAX should be' > expected to outperform a 1 GHz Alpha.a  E No, that would be 1GIP, not 1GHz.  Typically with RISC processors, an = Alpha completes one instruction per clock cycle per pipeline.-F A 1GHz Alpha peaks at 1GIP per pipeline, and the oldest Alpha started F with 2 pipelines (are they steill at 4, that would be 4GIP peak?).  A I 1Gz VAX would be much slower in GIPS since it utilizes many clock cycles w6 for many instructions (your mileage will vary widely).  F The actual work done is better measured with a benchmark since neither= IPS nor Hz will tell you how much of your code gets executed.e  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation2= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying3   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:05:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> P Subject: Re: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference, Message-ID: <3AE8A9D1.7574E5D9@videotron.ca>   "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:iN > Since VAX is a CISC architecture, it is axiomatic that a 1 GHz VAX should be' > expected to outperform a 1 GHz Alpha.S    N This generally makes sense. However, when you factor in architectural featuresH such as pipelining, and branch prediction etc whcih are made possible byH having a simple fixed length instruction set, I don't think that you canD automatically say that a 1ghz VAX would be faster than a 1ghz Alpha.  M However, I wouldn't mind having an upgrade to a 1ghz VAX chip for my MicrovaxD II :-) :-) :-) :-)  K > The fact that there are 1 GHz chips in the IA-32 space tells us that fastrM > CISC is possible.  What it would have taken to make a 1 GHz VAX chip is fari > beyond my knowledge.  L It would be interesting to see how much money Intel had to invest to upgradeN its 8086 game controller into the Pentium enterprise computer, versus how much6 money Digital invested to develop the brand new Alpha.    K I personally maintain that there was nothing wrong with the VAX, except thenK fact that Digital refused to consider that it was competing against cheapernF systems from Intel and Sun etc. Digital seemed to insist that its onlyL competitor was the IBM mainframe at one point, which allowed Sun to start up and break into the market.  N Had Digital kept VAX prices low to compete against HP/Apollo and Sun, I am not" sure sun would have survived long.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:36:24 GMTo From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..come Subject: Re: VT POP3 client?8 Message-ID: <1dmhetsp1ktshaiplh46793sutk8ukl5fn@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:00:11 GMT, "Alphaman"$ <alphaman64@nixspam-home.com> wrote:  J >I've been playing with PINE as I thought it was a POP3 client.  All I can4 >seem to find reference to is its IMAP capabilities. >0L >Can it be used as a POP3 client?  What setting is required to set that?  Is3 >it the "inbox-path", and if so, what's the syntax?o >hK >If not, are there any other terminal based POP3 clients available?  If notPI >that, any tools for getting mail from my ISP's POP3 server to my VMSmail J >account?  I've looked far and wide, but the closest references I've foundL >have been Netscape, Mozilla, (both of which don't fit my VT need), and PINE
 >(IMAP only?)e >  >Wishfully,a >Aaron  3 I don't know of any such client, right off the bat.0: but perhaps a starting point  (albeit bare-bones) might be# Perl's  Mail::Pop3Client module ...k  = http://search.cpan.org/doc/SDOWD/POP3Client-2.7/POP3Client.pmh  B If there was a also a Perl module/interace for the MAIL$ routines,6 it would be a cool hack to get POP3 msgs into VMS mail between the two  ...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:13:22 GMTt- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)w2 Subject: Re: Warning - Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition1 Message-ID: <3ae89c3a.181745225@swen.process.com>l  N On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:56:03 -0000, Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.net> wrote:  & >To who are Charon-VAX hobbyist users: >iF >Since my Charon-VAX hobbyist edition will expire on May 1, 2001 (NextH >week), I checked Charon-VAX web site for latest version but I found outE >that they decided to suspend the hobbyist program for a while (untilnB >this summer!).  They mentioned that they rather are interested inC >commerical customers their first priority over hobbyist customers.?? >It looks like discrimination aganist hobbyist customers to me.o$ >I am not happy with SRI's decision. >"B That's your prerogative.  They're a business trying to make money.C Why should they give Hobbyist users priority over paying customers?e  E >I will not able to use Charon-VAX hobbyist edition until they resumevF >the hobbyist program.  Also, they are not considering to resume LinuxD >version of Charon-VAX hobbyist edition yet (Windows 2000 only). :-(  B Last I knew, they had 0 commercial interest in a Linux version, so! it's being back-burnered for now.m  @ My understanding is that the Hobbyist version will be back soon.  ; (Note: I'm not formally affiliated with SRI, I just run the  CHARON-VAX-Users mailing list.)    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.234 ************************