1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 28 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 236       Contents: Anyone still using MASS-11?  Re: Anyone still using MASS-11?  Re: APAC update.7 Re: Broadcast messages while waiting on INQUIRE command 7 Re: Broadcast messages while waiting on INQUIRE command # Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process # Re: Changing UIC of running process  Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success  Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success  Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success G RE: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the	blame G Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame . Re: Main production system crashed - continued Re: network card on win2k . Re: ODS-2 and ISO9660 Was: Ripping ods-2 cd.../ RE: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!  Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist version5 OT (was Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%) 9 Re: OT (was Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%) 9 RE: OT (was Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%)  PGP - Where to get / How to use # Re: PGP - Where to get / How to use # Re: PGP - Where to get / How to use  Process memory-usage on VMS  Re: Process memory-usage on VMS  Re: Process memory-usage on VMS , Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large file, Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large file: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98' Re: Tabular Timeline Tracking Tool (T4) ' Re: Tabular Timeline Tracking Tool (T4) ( Re: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wiped( Re: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wiped( Re: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To WipedN RE: Trying to connect HSG80 console port to Bay Networks Annex terminal server Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel?G RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference  Re: VT POP3 client? ) Re: Warning - Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition ) Re: Warning - Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition 1 Re: Warning: EV68/833 and Oracle Rdb incompatible . What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS?2 Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS?2 Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS?2 Re: www.compaq.com/openvms news from Sue SkonetskiM [Fwd: RE: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours,and Solaris gets the blame] 1 [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:23:47 -0400 / From: "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com> $ Subject: Anyone still using MASS-11?, Message-ID: <3AE9B927.C7C1EEA@ix.netcom.com>  ; MASS-11 from MEC (Microsystems Engineering Company, offices < in the Chicago suburbs) was a popular word processing system9 used on VAXes and Alphas till about 1995.  It was used by / legal firms, governmental agencies, educational 3 institutions, medical practices, etc. You could use 7 inexpensive VT terminals, but create quality PostScript 4 output for word processing.  It had some interesting; graphics tools for VT terminals.  I started using it in the ; early '80 and we are still using it!  We continue to use it : because we have procedures which create complete or almost0 complete word processing documents from database: information.  We are very satisfied with its features, but9 since MEC no longer can sell us a license we are going to 9 meet a brick wall when we upgrade our VAX to an Alpha. In : our shop, we use VT-420 terminals scattered at 9 locations9 across the state with a single centralized CPU.  We would 7 consider trying to switch to PCs and a VPN a _BIG_ step  backwards in speed and cost!  4 Is there anyone still using MASS-11 on VAX or Alpha?  : If you are still using MASS-11, what are you doing about a5 license if you need to switch to a different class of 4 processors (such as upgrade from a VAX to an Alpha)?  6 If you are NOT still using MASS-11 (but used it in the; past), what word processing software did you migrate to and < why did you choose that particular word processing software?5 What problems did you run unto during your migration?    Joe H. Gallagher   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:48:31 -0500 # From: "Mark E. Levy" <mark@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: Anyone still using MASS-11?/ Message-ID: <tejmp51gamkv15@corp.supernews.com>   K One of my customers still uses it. I'd recommend doing what they did - keep L a small VAX around just for MASS-11 and migrate everything else to an Alpha.  	 Mark Levy  System Management Assoc. www.sysman-inc.com  : "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message& news:3AE9B927.C7C1EEA@ix.netcom.com...= > MASS-11 from MEC (Microsystems Engineering Company, offices > > in the Chicago suburbs) was a popular word processing system; > used on VAXes and Alphas till about 1995.  It was used by 1 > legal firms, governmental agencies, educational 5 > institutions, medical practices, etc. You could use 9 > inexpensive VT terminals, but create quality PostScript 6 > output for word processing.  It had some interesting= > graphics tools for VT terminals.  I started using it in the = > early '80 and we are still using it!  We continue to use it < > because we have procedures which create complete or almost2 > complete word processing documents from database< > information.  We are very satisfied with its features, but; > since MEC no longer can sell us a license we are going to ; > meet a brick wall when we upgrade our VAX to an Alpha. In < > our shop, we use VT-420 terminals scattered at 9 locations; > across the state with a single centralized CPU.  We would 9 > consider trying to switch to PCs and a VPN a _BIG_ step  > backwards in speed and cost! > 6 > Is there anyone still using MASS-11 on VAX or Alpha? > < > If you are still using MASS-11, what are you doing about a7 > license if you need to switch to a different class of 6 > processors (such as upgrade from a VAX to an Alpha)? > 8 > If you are NOT still using MASS-11 (but used it in the= > past), what word processing software did you migrate to and > > why did you choose that particular word processing software?7 > What problems did you run unto during your migration?  >  > Joe H. Gallagher   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:38:37 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> Subject: Re: APAC update. , Message-ID: <3AE9684D.4B5C8B1C@Mvb.Saic.Com>   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > N > I wish there was a commercial news service package available on VMS, as thenN > I would be suggesting my home ISP moved off the Sun box that has been giving+ > barely acceptable performance for months.  > F > Guess what they have now? Rises in the east and sets in the west ... >   E There is one.  DNEWS runs great on VMS (it is what I use here) and is F the only news package I ever found whose performance could compare the1 MUMPS-based news server I ran for about a decade.   H Go to www.netwinsite.com for more information.  (I believe they are even3 located in Australia just to keep the APAC tie in).   
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:11:31 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> @ Subject: Re: Broadcast messages while waiting on INQUIRE command& Message-ID: <3AE9C463.F4424D7@fsi.net>   Sandro Polato wrote: >  > Hi list ! 1 >    Could you help me with this simple problem ? 7 > I build a simple menu system based on a DCL procedure 7 > : it displays a list of option and then wait the user " > choice with the INQUIRE command.4 > It works well but when a broadcast message arrives6 > (i.e. "you have a new message") the top lines scrool+ > up and the choice list appear disordered. ( > In this case the ctrl-W does not work.6 > Do you have any suggestions to avoid this problem or, > do you know of a simple utility to use for) > displaying a list of options to users ?   F Well, if the entire menu can fit into a single string, you could buildG it using F$FAO(), then display the entire menu as the prompt string for  either INQUIRE or READ/PROMPT=.    Just a thought, FWIW...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:25:50 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com@ Subject: Re: Broadcast messages while waiting on INQUIRE command4 Message-ID: <C2256A3B.0069E023.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  A My DCL menu routine just repaints the screen if a <cr> is entered A instead of a valid choice (It may do that on any invalid choice). C So when the screen gets trashed, users just hit <Enter> or <Return> @ and go on from the repaint.  The cursor should be sitting on the; spot for picking a choice when the broadcast spoils things.         / djesys.nospam@fsi.net on 04/27/2001 03:11:31 PM   ' Please respond to djesys.nospam@fsi.net    To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  cc:    Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comA Subject:  Re: Broadcast messages while waiting on INQUIRE command          Sandro Polato wrote: >  > Hi list ! 1 >    Could you help me with this simple problem ? 7 > I build a simple menu system based on a DCL procedure 7 > : it displays a list of option and then wait the user " > choice with the INQUIRE command.4 > It works well but when a broadcast message arrives6 > (i.e. "you have a new message") the top lines scrool+ > up and the choice list appear disordered. ( > In this case the ctrl-W does not work.6 > Do you have any suggestions to avoid this problem or, > do you know of a simple utility to use for) > displaying a list of options to users ?   F Well, if the entire menu can fit into a single string, you could buildG it using F$FAO(), then display the entire menu as the prompt string for  either INQUIRE or READ/PROMPT=.    Just a thought, FWIW...    -- David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:59:23 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br , Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running processL Message-ID: <OFC39D58B4.C38AFC71-ON03256A3B.0062A4FA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  J It is not possible, because every process in the OpenVMS is started by the LOGINOUT.EXEI program which associates an UIC to the process. If you want to change the  UIC you must stop 5 the process and restart it  with the new UIC desired.    Regards    FC        E "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> em 27/04/2001 14:51:14   @ Favor responder a "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       ( Assunto: Changing UIC of running process    8 Is there anyway for a running process to change its UIC?   -- Thanks, 
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:58:13 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com , Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running processD Message-ID: <OFFB6A49E2.D14EF036-ON88256A3B.0062AD08@foundation.com>   From the help:   SET      UIC   H        Changes the user identification code (UIC) of a process, which is(        one part of its security profile.  9        Requires CMKRNL (change mode to kernel) privilege.   *                                       NOTE  ;           This command is obsolete and no longer supported.   
        Format             SET UIC  [uic]           H "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> on 04/27/2001 10:51:14 AM  @ Please respond to "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   ) Subject:  Changing UIC of running process     8 Is there anyway for a running process to change its UIC?   -- Thanks, 
 Mike Ober.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:18:23 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process0 Message-ID: <PJiG6.312$5I.5549@news.cpqcorp.net>  i In article <okiG6.114$JP1.198606@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> writes: 9 :Is there anyway for a running process to change its UIC?      Yes, this is possible.     That said, why?     K   Also, details of the context of the process that needs to change its UIC?   K   Many reasons for changing the UIC can be solved through means other than     changing UICs.  G   Please remember that questions are a calculus function -- the shorter G   the question, the more closely the question might approach the limit     of true unanswerability. :-)  K   Also please remember to include the OpenVMS platform and version, because I   the answers and options can change by version.  In this case, there are J   features of V6.2 and later that can potentially be of interest here, andE   there are additional potentially useful features in V7.2 and later.   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:20:35 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process0 Message-ID: <TLiG6.313$5I.5549@news.cpqcorp.net>  h In article <OFFB6A49E2.D14EF036-ON88256A3B.0062AD08@foundation.com>, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: :  :From the help:  ..< :          This command is obsolete and no longer supported.     Potentially dangerous, too.    :  :       Format :  :         SET UIC  [uic] :   H   We yanked that documentation because that command caused more problemsH   than it solved.  It can (will) cause problems when used in conjunctionF   with SPAWN commands, mailboxes, and various other common operations.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:24:57 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br , Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running processL Message-ID: <OFAA9A1343.D0D98B6D-ON03256A3B.00650826@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G Hmmmmmmm...I believe I must re-read some Internals documentation before  giving my own opinions ! :-)K But I never imagined the possibility to change the UIC of a running processo because + of the considerations of LOGINOUT.EXE ! ! !-   Regards-   FC            C hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) em 27/04/2001 15:18:23o  > Favor responder a hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com6      , Assunto: Re: Changing UIC of running process    J In article <okiG6.114$JP1.198606@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <mdo. @.wakeassoc.com.nospam> writes:d9 :Is there anyway for a running process to change its UIC?e     Yes, this is possible.     That said, why?s  K   Also, details of the context of the process that needs to change its UIC?h  J   Many reasons for changing the UIC can be solved through means other than   changing UICs.  G   Please remember that questions are a calculus function -- the shorteruF   the question, the more closely the question might approach the limit   of true unanswerability. :-)  K   Also please remember to include the OpenVMS platform and version, becauselI   the answers and options can change by version.  In this case, there are=J   features of V6.2 and later that can potentially be of interest here, andE   there are additional potentially useful features in V7.2 and later.   0  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------wJ       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com2  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------d/    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringg hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:36:19 -0400m* From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>, Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process+ Message-ID: <3AE991F3.6953.B0215@localhost>e  - On 27 Apr 2001, at 18:20, Hoff Hoffman wrote:c   >   Potentially dangerous, too.  > :         SET UIC  [uic] > J >   We yanked that documentation because that command caused more problemsJ >   than it solved.  It can (will) cause problems when used in conjunctionH >   with SPAWN commands, mailboxes, and various other common operations.  E Yes.  But it's the only way for someone in another group to map to a d. group global section.  It's ugly, but works...     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147s= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:17:36 -0600o4 From: "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam>, Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process1 Message-ID: <RllG6.802$jY.239113@news.uswest.net>s   Hoff,   H Good question.  I have an IP server process that needs to downgrade it'sL privileges to a normal user when a connection is established.  It will neverK need to upgrade itself, so the ALTPRI availability of the connected user isoL not an issue.  I already verify that the connected user is valid by queryingH the UAF.  The language this is in is DEC-BASIC and the program is indeed2 being run as a detached application with LOGINOUT.   SYSTEM>tcpip show ver   A   DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.0A - ECO 2 8   on a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB running OpenVMS V7.2-1   Application Structure:< Set up IP Listener via $QIOW calls - using TCPIP$M_REUSEADDR  Create a client socket via $QIOW Accept via $QIOW On client connection request Close the listen socket.* LIB$SPAWN(COM file to start next listener)  D On the client side, as soon as a connection is established, an eventG triggers and the client sends a SET_UIC/username=<userid> message.  TheoL userid has already been validated against our network; note that no passwordI is sent.  Also, the network is behind a reasonably secure firewall (fully J secure firewalls don't exist) and the VMS Server doesn't know how to route3 traffic out of our network for additional security.e   Server side again:I On reciept of SET_UIC/username=<userid>, we want to change the UIC of thew1 server process before doing any other processing.D   -- Thanks,w
 Mike Ober.  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageb* news:PJiG6.312$5I.5549@news.cpqcorp.net...F > In article <okiG6.114$JP1.198606@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober"$ <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> writes:; > :Is there anyway for a running process to change its UIC?- >- >   Yes, this is possible. >r >   That said, why?1 >0H >   Also, details of the context of the process that needs to change its UIC? >eL >   Many reasons for changing the UIC can be solved through means other than >   changing UICs. > I >   Please remember that questions are a calculus function -- the shorterhH >   the question, the more closely the question might approach the limit  >   of true unanswerability. :-) > E >   Also please remember to include the OpenVMS platform and version,i becauseeK >   the answers and options can change by version.  In this case, there are L >   features of V6.2 and later that can potentially be of interest here, andG >   there are additional potentially useful features in V7.2 and later.o > ( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------tL >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringc hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >p >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:48:22 GMT.2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process0 Message-ID: <aznG6.324$5I.6024@news.cpqcorp.net>  h In article <RllG6.802$jY.239113@news.uswest.net>, "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> writes:  B   Use the persona services (V6.2 and later) around a $creprc call,F   in place of the spawn.  Alternatively, use the per-threads security.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:00:59 -0400 ' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> , Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process< Message-ID: <howard-349F8A.19005927042001@enews.newsguy.com>  1 In article <RllG6.802$jY.239113@news.uswest.net>,-6  "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> wrote:   > Server side again:K > On reciept of SET_UIC/username=<userid>, we want to change the UIC of the 3 > server process before doing any other processing.-  O Changing the UIC won't change privs or anything else.  It's mainly only useful aN for resource security reasons.  That is, the USERNAME will stay the same, the O priv masks will not change, the logicals will not change, the LOGIN.COM of the 6O target user will not be run.  If any of this is important, you should probably   look at some other method. -- s Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:11:23 -0700e5 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com>I, Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process) Message-ID: <#UFCfA4zAHA.355@cpmsnbbsa07>n  ? "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc.com.nospam> wrote in message-+ news:RllG6.802$jY.239113@news.uswest.net...- >-J > Good question.  I have an IP server process that needs to downgrade it's> > privileges to a normal user when a connection is established  L Take a look at the personna system services. They are intended for this type
 of operation.c  > The language this is in is DEC-BASIC and the program is indeed4 > being run as a detached application with LOGINOUT.  J Doesn't matter. Put together a rather sizable application not too long agoJ coded primarily in BASIC (and a bit of C) that runs as a detached process.H Handles all of the jobs submitted to a particular queue (remove retainedD jobs, mail appropriate staff when a job has failed), receives emailsJ concerning jobs (the jobs themselves are FTPing files to a vendor) and actL on them as needed, generate email when the vendor doesn't email concerning aL FTPed file, automatically clean out the directory were the command/log filesK are written, automatically delete "empty" FTP "data files", ... and about anI half dozen other things. Have a similar application I'm working on at thenK moment that's in final testing. All uses the persona system services in the F command that controls the application as well as in processes which it creates.   Joe    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:55:28 -0500 % From: John Wisniewski <user@user.com>i" Subject: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success( Message-ID: <3AEA4D40.272B7EA9@user.com>   Dave Gudewicz wrote:  I > Nice summary John and glad to hear of a few more Amateur Radio licenses N > being granted.  Wonder if any of their (vanity) call signs will include someM > of the many 3 letter acronyms we've grown accustomed to; like K5LUG, N5VMS,e > W5DEC.  Oops forgot CPQ.  ;) >oM > Anyway back to 1s and 0s.  Will we be seeing a more detailed summary of the(  > happenings in Texas last week? >wL > Great job btw.  Your LUG, now CUG, sets the standard for what a user group > should be. >s	 > Dave...h >r  
 Dave, All,  H I've been up in Nashua NH for the last couple days, oh the changes;-)...  L The DFWCUG Quadwords newsletter  should have some interesting slants on what, happened at DFWdays and some information andO insight on the ReOrg....  Look for it on our on the WEBsite next week coming to2 a WEBbrowser near you:   http://www.dfwcug.org/  N And I hope to have some of the censored Pictures and the  PPT Presentations up5 on the web by the end of the weekend... Look for themr on the CUG homepage...  M Yes we may be the LUG to set the standards but it's only because we have such 2 fierce competition from our friends at t he CARTS,N ESILUG, and all the other LUGS thoughout the Encompass protectorate to keep us	 honest;-)V  I We're proud to belong to such a distinguished family of Compaq Local Users: Groups and as Humble as a Texan could be  to be considered5 as one of the brightest stars of our User Society ...S  ( We feel like we're in very good Company!    L Anyways, we look forward to CETS2001 and all the excitement, technology, and. Madness that goes into such an event... 5 fullM days of sessions this time... And the DFWCUG will have some interesting talesW, to tell and some interesting technologies toJ share this year and perhaps one or two surprises from the wild frontier of Compaq Stuff....   Hope to see Y'all there!   John Wisniewskio 44th level Adept of the DFWCUG wisniewski@vmsone.comPJ KD5OES  in Mesquite Texas signing off and 73's to all of you...or was that 78's;-)y   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:03:03 -0500l% From: John Wisniewski <user@user.com>e" Subject: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success( Message-ID: <3AEA4F07.44458DA7@user.com>   Terry C Shannon wrote:  + > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Dave Gudewicz wrote:i >FK > > Nice summary John and glad to hear of a few more Amateur Radio licenses P > > being granted.  Wonder if any of their (vanity) call signs will include someO > > of the many 3 letter acronyms we've grown accustomed to; like K5LUG, N5VMS,   > > W5DEC.  Oops forgot CPQ.  ;) > > O > > Anyway back to 1s and 0s.  Will we be seeing a more detailed summary of theR" > > happenings in Texas last week? > >0 > K > I'll be doing a write-up in the next issue of Shannon Knows Compaq, which-, > should be done in the next couple of days.  N And a facinating account of Valor and Caffine intake I look forward to reading with a Quatra-latte Mr. Shannon;-)   N You always seem to know just what's going on before any of us CPQ folks have a	 chance tos" even enjoy our morning expresso;-)  P The young initiates have already cleaned (although not too much;-) the Bunker of Doom after your departured& and we await your return at anytime...  
 All our best,n   John Wisniewski  44th level Adept of the DFWCUG wisniewski@vmsone.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:05:38 -0500i% From: John Wisniewski <user@user.com>n" Subject: Re: DFWDAYS a Big Success( Message-ID: <3AEA4FA2.4ACA31F4@user.com>   Brian Tillman wrote:  / > >Infoserver software that runs on  Alpha VMS.t >o8 > How can we of the unwashed masses find out about this? >  > >You could have been there...a >e* > Not without money or management support. > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comhC > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.comc? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventr> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   Brian,  D We would have found room for you at the Temple of Doom as a visiting
 Acolite...  < Vacation time would have put your managment in it's place...  H Look for the Infoserver Software Update on the DFWCUG webpage later this weekend....,   All my best,   John Wisniewskiy 44th Level Adept of the DFWCUG wisniewski@vmsone.comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:27:14 -0500i+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>-P Subject: RE: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the	blameL Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1DC7@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----) > From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospamd  G > Perhaps someone from this group should contact Argus and suggest somet- > different operating system for them to use.y  J You do realize they'd be out of work... Argus makes their living providingK for Unix what is already inherent in VMS.  As far as I can tell there isn't L much there that VMS hasn't already got, AFAICT.  On the other hand, if ArgusH wants to port it to intel architecture... that would certainly make some
 people happy.a   Regards,   Chrisi  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developera Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");S 'p   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 14:06:26 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)lP Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame3 Message-ID: <P5DfWF8WteVq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <OFD3901F94.6BD59F74-ON80256A3B.0059FE6C@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:o >  > J > So, given David's information and the input from Glenn, what do we think! > that Andrew will go with next :p > G > a) It's Intel's fault for developing a flawed platform that they then  > allowed Sun to program on ?l > G > b) It's Argus's fault for telling people about it and responding to an. > security vulnerability in the way they did ? > K > c) Sun knew about it and were just about to release a patch, although thedM > patch had been available to contract customers for many months because thissI > is old news and every commercial customer of this software knows of theu > problem (except Argus) ?  E Perhaps someone from this group should contact Argus and suggest someh+ different operating system for them to use.i  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:55:21 -0400:' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov> 7 Subject: Re: Main production system crashed - continued + Message-ID: <3AE9DCB9.A8C2E1CA@y12.doe.gov>o  K      I find your Reply/All crash interesting, because I have an AlphaServersJ 4100 5/400 running VMS V7.1 that also crashes whenever I issue a Reply/AllJ command.  It seems to run fine otherwise (and has for months), so I do notM issue any Reply/All commands on that node.  We have several other AlphaServersM 4100s at VMS V7.1 and one at VMS V7.2-1 that do not show this problem.  I wastK hoping to upgrade to VMS V7.2-1 in the near future to see if it would solveeM the problem.  If it did not, then I was going to log a call to support on it,d& maybe I should go ahead and do it now.  
 Dale A. Marcyo. Science Applications International Corporation   Tomasz Dryjanski wrote:  > 	 > Hi all.b > F > First I would like to cite myself. This is from my post from 29.03.:7 > "Our main production system crashed this night (GMT).e > These are details:F > AlphaServer 8200 5/440, VMS 7.2-1H1, all mandatory patches installed, > Uptime: 9 16:49:38 (last Time Stamp Entry)J > - and there are no traces of the event in the system, as if somebody hadK > pulled out the power cord. When I connected to the console, I noticed the  > console prompt.  > K > Such problems started since we upgraded VMS from 7.1-1H1 to 7.2-1. But we @ > haven't had so far a situation, when there is no trace at all.L > To solve those problems we upgraded to H1 and it worked OK for more than 9 > days - as I mentioned above."r > % > Some new facts have arrived so far.aJ > The reset code from the crash I described was 000000, ie. "Unknown Reset
 > Reason".C > After another 14 days the system crashed again - this time it wasy* > INVEXCEPTN, Exception while above ASTDEL > < > in SYS$TTDRIVER (Link Date/Time: 18-MAY-2000 00:12:31.86).N > And two days ago RDB Monitor started to crash regularly every night. We haveG > narrowed down the problem to $ reply /all command, if there was users- > present in the system. > I > We have contacted Digital field service, sent them all information they-K > needed, and clearly so far they don't have an idea what to do. So you areyH > the last resort - unless you can help us we are going to downgrade the > system back to 7.1-1H1.3 > " > Thanks in advance for any ideas! >  > T. D.H   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:57:17 +0800i- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>e" Subject: Re: network card on win2k@ Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010428115541.00a0eaa0@mail.bigpond.com>  / At 04:14 PM 27/04/01 +0000, Hoff Hoffman wrote:aI >In article <UjgG6.50768$Xx3.287315@news1.eburwd1.vic.optushome.com.au>, n- >"AConway" <aconway@optushome.com.au> writes:i0 >:ok lets hope ive got the right place... anyway            [...snip...]P  I >   Note: I have no idea if DE450 is tested or supported on Windows 2000.W  J We have a couple of machines in the office running Winblows 2000 and using DE450s... (for what its worth)  L >   Note: comp.sys.dec would often be suggested as a better spot for generic1 >   DIGITAL hardware questions and discussions...n >I3 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> 3 > -----------------------------o6 >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --  > www.openvms.compaq.com5 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion   > ---------------------------eN >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com     Regards, Dave.n -- dI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comaI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/.I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmeI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon2   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2001 10:14:05 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>7 Subject: Re: ODS-2 and ISO9660 Was: Ripping ods-2 cd... 0 Message-ID: <87vgnpahzm.fsf_-_@prep.synonet.com>  ? system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:s  A > Not with a PeeCee.  I suspect that your software is burning theaB > <file>.iso as ISO9660 into the CD.  This will not work.  ISO9660C > will not write in/to the first 16 (2048) sectors of the CD.  Thisb9 > area corresponds to the first 64 block of a VMS volume.s  D BTW, look at the size of the boot/home etc stuff witha large clusterF factor, and them you will see that that is the EXACT reason block 0-63@ are left alone. ISO 9660 was layed out to be a ODS-2 subset, and physically compatable.  F Given an ODS-2 volume, to ISO9660 it, all you need is the ISO direcory> file. Look at the CONDOC CDs, and you will see it in [000000].   -- 5< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:58:45 -0500 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>t8 Subject: RE: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!R Message-ID: <DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180D9583@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net>  	 Andrew ..:   Sensitive these days eh ?b   :-)n   Hey, I agreed with you !   Heres my statement: K "Anyway, I do agree with you that the we should have a more current streams J number available that correlates closer to currently available systems and will see what I can find out.   ( Thank you for kindly pointing this out."  J Again, even if a new EV68 number does not reflect the raw bandwidth numberK that is on the web site (and yes I agree with you that is not necessarily ao& good thing), what about the Sun site ?  E Can you let us know where the 9.6Gb streams numbers are for these new ) servers that are posted on the Sun site ?lI http://www.sun.com/servers/midrange/comparison.html (System bus bandwidthp 9.6Gb sustained)  > As far as I could see, the only ones posted are older servers:H Machine ID                      ncpus    COPY    SCALE      ADD    TRIADH ------------------------------------------------------------------------I Sun_UE_6000_assembly              16   2551.0   2449.9   2434.6   2434.9 (   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantp Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesp Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]n Sent: April 27, 2001 6:26 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!     Paul Repacholi wrote:r > 4 > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: > E > > You still don't seem to get it. The old result was run in what iso9 > > the current ES40 memory subsystem, it hasn't changed.e > A > > Changing the CPU's to 833 Mhz will only change the single CPUaF > > result, but won't change the 4 CPU result which is bottlenecked on > > the memory subsystem.t > C > But it is NOT limited by the switch. THAT, was Kerrie's statment,  > the D-chip bandwidth.  > $ > I quote below so you are reminded. > C > = Current ES40 and DS20E systems use a 5.2Gb/sec cross bar switch F > = technology.  I am sure folks here realize the difference between a2 > = cross bar switch and standard bus technology." >   4 What part of this discussion did you not understand.  1 Kerry claimed that tsmurphys STREAMS posting was  5 false citing the marketing cross bar switch bandwidtht0 number as proof of this. Neither tsmurphy or my 5 posts refer to the cross bar as being the bottleneck -3 we simply point out that the actual data throughput: for the ES40 is not 5.2 GB/s.   4 I corrected him and again he reiterated this claim.   2 If you don't understand the difference between the7 actual memory bandwidth of a system, which is in effectm< what STREAMS measures and a marketing bullet point refering 0 to the fastest point in the ES40 while ignoring - any other considerations when why not say so.v    3 > Now, what part of the above don't you understand.  >   1 Remarkable, you accuse me of incompehension when n5 you are arguing in support of someone who is claimingi2 that the memory bandwidth numbers published by his own company are false. l  G > BTW, when are we going to see the no-prefetch Sun SPEC result Andrew?l >   . Ahh there you go again, how many attempts are . you going to make to change the subject before you admit that Kerry was BSing.    Regardsu Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:16:18 GMTe2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versionh2 Message-ID: <65nG6.64$o7.1557@typhoon.aracnet.com>  ( D.Webb <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:O > Why not also put all the hobbiest licensed products on an ftp/web server and "  > allow users to download them ?  3 > They can't run them unless they have the license.   K I'd love to see this happen, especially since it would allow those packageshL to be updated regularly.  For that matter for the install CD for a lot of us$ an ISO image would probably suffice.  ( Unfortuantly I doubt either will happen.   			Zaner   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:36:27 -0500 (CDT)- From: sms@antinode.org% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versioni) Message-ID: <01042719362776@antinode.org>o  ' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb).  O > Why not also put all the hobbiest licensed products on an ftp/web server and t  > allow users to download them ?  E    Perhaps because they'd need to include the hobby and hobbier kits,cC too, and the whole set would be too big.  Or did you mean HOBBYIST?   3 > They can't run them unless they have the license.o  G    Strictly speaking, they can't run them unless they have a PAK, which H can be easier to get than the license.  (Try eBay.  Also, I can think ofH one product whose entire license enforcement scheme comprised asking theE installer if he had an appropriate PAK.)  The $500 price for a CD-ROMrG set (or whatever's true nowadays) does tend to keep the riff-raff (likee me) out.  E    Not trying to beat a dying horse, but for comparison purposes, seetB "http://www.sun.com/developers/tools/solaris", which describes theD availability of the latest Solaris 8 CD kit ($75) with the free ($0)G license (for up to 8 CPU's/box).  Observe the URL.  I quote, "Sun makesuF it easy for developers to get started with the Free Solaris[tm] BinaryD License Program".  Also of note is the new free ($0) download kit at8 "http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/binaries/get.html":  >       Given the size of the download (800 Mbytes), we stronglyA       recommend that this option be considered only by those witho7       a fast connection (DSL, cable modem, or faster). o         Here is what you need:*          o High-speed internet connection           o CD writer h5          o Minimum of 3 recordable or rewriteable CDst  D The Solaris installation procedure is rather less flexible than thatC for VMS.  Without CD's made by somebody, you're probably dead meat.r  F    Among the extra stuff which is included in the kit or available for
 download are:     o StarOffice 5.2h@    o Forte Developer 6.0, Update 1  (A sack of compilers, et c.)B      (I assume that the required license keys are _not_ included.)A    o Solaris Software Companion CD  (which includes Sun-supported3D      freeware, including bzip and mkisofs, and unsupported freeware,      including cdrecord.)D  D See "http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/freeware.html" for details.  E    Given the license enforcement problems and the potential for abuseeB and lost revenue, I can see some justification for restricting theG distribution of VMS and related software kits.  I can also see that the G folks at Sun apparently believe that it's good business to get their OS.G into as many hands (such as those of developers) as possible.  Whose OSeH has a bigger problem with the availability of applications?  Presumably,E Sun expects to make back the lost revenue in some way.  They could be  wrong.  G    Lest I be misunderstood, I like VMS, and would be pleased to be ablecH to suck down free software kits from Compaq.  I just won't be holding myG breath.  I'm always a little amazed that the patches are so available. f  H    In the mean time, any one of the schemes suggested for increasing theC effective capacity of the next hobbyist CD-ROM is fine with me.  If;0 there's anything I can do to help, just e-shout.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)-C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)WG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)D9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:28:48 -0500a% From: John Wisniewski <user@user.com> % Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist versiono( Message-ID: <3AEA46FF.C19DC048@user.com>   Gripe Gripe Gripe...  Q Ok... there are a few reasons not to float layered products on the net  (at least / not the latest ones...) off the top of my head:n  ( Condisk and ConDoc revenues come to mind  N Potential to propogate modified kits from other WEB/WAREZ sites that look like the originals buteM have a surprise inside.....(it's hard to implant a CDrom with Evil JuJu after  it's been made/cut)i  O And let's not forget the Bandwidth... required to move 50+mbytes of kit and doc . across the net for a single layered product...      J With that said.. We can ask VMS Product managment and see what they say...  Q If we do it from a  secured WEBpage that you'll need your Hobbyist ID for I can't   see a good argument against  it.  P Including both the Kits and the DOCs on the CDroms / DVDs are still  going to be# much better use of bandwidth (nevereO underestimate the bandwidth of a St Bernard dog with a box full of CDroms underi it's neck...;-)-  L I don't like the idea of compressing the kits and the docs because then they+ won't be in the "Standard Released Form..."aE but that might be the best way to package these kits for WEB access..     J We 'll see if we can get permission and move forward on having the layered products on the WEB...P Likely things like this will be mulled over and announced at CETS2001 in Sept if( they're going  to let us do it at all...  2 Now where did I put those InfoServers again....;-)   John Wisniewski  44th Level Adept of the DFWCUG wisniewski@vmsone.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:47:58 -0500\1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>)> Subject: OT (was Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%)' Message-ID: <3AE9BEDE.3D286F8A@fsi.net>s   Christopher Smith wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----2 > > From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d > ? > > In article <3AE87870.EE6B82F7@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"3# > > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > I > > > Just my opinion, mind you, but I do take umbrage to such use of thei8 > > > Lord's name(s) in vain. Other folks react badly to > > obscenities and otherh# > > > profanities. Watcha gonna do?  > = > > Personally, I don't think religion belongs in a technicalp > > forum in *any* form,? > > pro or con.  I find religious quotes in sigs, such as those  > > found in posts byy@ > > that speakeasy guy, to be every bit as offensive as you find > > the above. > K > Personally, I think the quotes in somebody's signature are the last thing L > you ought to complain about. :)  Signatures are generally pretty personal,I > so there is no problem, as far as I'm concerned, with putting religious ! > references or whatever in them.e  . As long as we're already this far off-topic...  F Personally, I'm not sure it's understood that folks (like me) who haveA religious leanings resent atheistic preachings equally as much as $ atheists resent theistic preachings.  " So, yeah, I can see Wayne's point.   -- = David J. Dachtera= dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 17:03:17 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) B Subject: Re: OT (was Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%)3 Message-ID: <lV2dQehzs3Zy@eisner.encompasserve.org>V  [ In article <3AE9BEDE.3D286F8A@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > H > Personally, I'm not sure it's understood that folks (like me) who haveC > religious leanings resent atheistic preachings equally as much as & > atheists resent theistic preachings. >   " I've never seen an atheist preach.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation0= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group4E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingi   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:33:33 -0500c+ From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> B Subject: RE: OT (was Re: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%)L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1DCA@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----D > From: koehler@encompasserve.org [mailto:koehler@encompasserve.org]  > > In article <3AE9BEDE.3D286F8A@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" ! > <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e  > > > Personally, I'm not sure it's understood that folks (like  > me) who haveE > > religious leanings resent atheistic preachings equally as much asb( > > atheists resent theistic preachings.  $ > I've never seen an atheist preach.  K I have.  Sometimes it's done because some religious zealot brother-jed kinda* of nutcase is preaching at the atheist...   G Other times, and mostly, it's just somebody who's not as mature as they L should be wanting to get attention for themselves (much like brother jed) byK attempting to "prove" that there is no God.  As with the brother-jed personnE above, this type is usually convinced by some circular reasoning that1K they're right, and not willing to discuss the subject in a rational manner.-  L Of course, no reasonable person should exhibit this behavior, no matter whatJ their beliefs.  In reality most people, especially the quality of people IH expect to find here (please nobody prove me wrong! :), will be much moreJ tolerant of other peoples' opinions than that.  Maybe even to the point of( providing -- and listening to -- reason.   Regards,   Chriso  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developert Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");d '    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:34:44 -0400w1 From: "Todd Nelson" <toddnelson@lehighcounty.org> ( Subject: PGP - Where to get / How to use/ Message-ID: <tejen6eo30e4fd@corp.supernews.com>a  H I have looked at the pages specified by the Ask the Wizard FAQ, and I am= unable to figure out what to do.  Can someone PLEASE help me?o   Thanks!l   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:14:32 GMT-2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: PGP - Where to get / How to use0 Message-ID: <syjG6.317$5I.5736@news.cpqcorp.net>  c In article <tejen6eo30e4fd@corp.supernews.com>, "Todd Nelson" <toddnelson@lehighcounty.org> writes:.I :I have looked at the pages specified by the Ask the Wizard FAQ, and I amd> :unable to figure out what to do.  Can someone PLEASE help me?  D   If the PGP pointers in the OpenVMS FAQ are invalid, please let me A   know.  (Based on a quick check, the PGP pointers in the FAQ areA0   currently valid and are currently accessable.)  F   If the FAQ pointers are correct, then you will want to to elaborate G   on your "unable to figure out what to do" statement.  What problem(s)rH   are you are trying to do, what OpenVMS version and platform, and what G   errors/problems/configuration are you using/seeing/encountering, etc?t  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:37:48 -0400a; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> , Subject: Re: PGP - Where to get / How to use$ Message-ID: <3ae9d896$1@news.si.com>  F Here's an extract of a document I wrote explaining how to use PGP from within LSE:   (     The IT-supplied LSEDIT section files  2     LSE_SECTIONS:SI_SECTION_NOKEYS.TPU$SECTION and,     LSE_SECTIONS:SI_SECTION_KEYS.TPU$SECTION  K     have been updated to add a new command and a corresponding hot key.  If,L     you are editing a file and with to either encrypt it or sign it with PGPI     (Pretty Good Privacy - see the NEWTOOLS folder for more information),qL     you can either press Do (or Gold-KP7) and type PGP at the LSE prompt, orK     you can simply press Gold-G.  This will cause PGP to run and ask you ifrK     you want to sign the contents of the current buffer or encrypt and theneJ     sign the contents of the buffer.  As an example, this message has been     signed with my private key.l  J     This will also allow you to automatically sign Email messages you sendG     if you use LSE as your VMS Mail editor.  See Mail's HELP SET EDITORe;     command for more information about the VMS Mail editor.b  I     If you have any questions, please contact Brian Tillman, x8425, email      TILLMAN_BRIAN.   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- " Version: PGP 4.01 Business Edition  @ iQCVAwUBNG+74Apk3Bn6RKZVAQGhiQQAlUzTh6l3aofxIcpJyUl3rURHvJmc1rem@ +hAeLCQUOM1QrcEYpqw2t7/9inCaCGYkLRoCt8XiWxrwqcH6FinfDEvjUixxXZcF@ QeTCqQNJNS70dWWds44gF55YgAA3KD5hcfWEmk2HJjrXdbVReV5yYTYT5sUIkSAk 2PutSNfMcH4= =xztv  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----   0 Here's the LSE code, PGP.TPU (I didn't write it)  	 ! PGP.TPU- !-B ! Author: Phil Ottewell, 15-May-1996, phil@yrsk.demon.co.uk (work)F !                                     phil@pottsoft.demon.co.uk (home) !,E ! How to use this file to get PGP encrypt/decrypt or signing from TPUr editor:o !:? ! 1. Enter TPU and get this file, eg. EDIT/TPU/NOINIT this_filem& !    if you want to start from scratch/ ! 2. Get TPU command line, by hitting <Do> key,n ! 3. EXTEND TPU *0 ! 4. TPU DEFINE_PGP_KEYMI ! 5. @[your_dir.whatever]EVE$INIT.EVE ! to get your other definitions, if  anyR' ! 6. SAVE EXTENDED TPU your.TPU$SECTIONa !e? ! Use <Gold>G to PGP sign or encrypt, and answer the questions.  ! I ! This procedure creates and deletes files in your SYS$SCRATCH with namesiJ ! like _PGP_MAIL.ASC and .TMP, so dont use these names for your own files. !s
 PROCEDURE pgp  !u   LOCAL orig_buffer,         orig_mode,         sel_range,         dcl_subprocess,m         temp_buffer,         dcl_buffer,c         sign_answer,         encrypt_answer,b         sign_answer_string,o         plain_text_copy,         recipients_keyname,s         encrypt_answer_string,         pgp_command,         selection_saved; ! Error handler (eg. CTRL-C)
   ON_ERROR     [TPU$_READABORTED]: *       MESSAGE("PGP operation cancelled.");? !     Set current buffer and cursor position to original bufferS!       SET(orig_mode,orig_buffer);t       POSITION(orig_buffer);#       IF (selection_saved = "TRUE")N
       THEN2 !       Include the selection from saved text file0         READ_FILE("SYS$SCRATCH:_PGP_MAIL.TMP;");       ENDIF;" !     Get rid of temporary buffers;       IF (GET_INFO(BUFFER,"find_buffer","DCL_BUFFER") <> 0)f
       THEN         DELETE(dcl_buffer);e       ENDIF;;       IF (GET_INFO(BUFFER,"find_buffer","PGP_BUFFER") <> 0)A
       THEN         DELETE(temp_buffer);       ENDIF;
       RETURN;t     [TPU$_CONTROLC]:)       MESSAGE("PGP  aborted by CTRL-C.");o? !     Set current buffer and cursor position to original bufferd!       SET(orig_mode,orig_buffer);        POSITION(orig_buffer);#       IF (selection_saved = "TRUE") 
       THEN2 !       Include the selection from saved text file0         READ_FILE("SYS$SCRATCH:_PGP_MAIL.TMP;");       ENDIF;" !     Get rid of temporary buffers;       IF (GET_INFO(BUFFER,"find_buffer","DCL_BUFFER") <> 0) 
       THEN         DELETE(dcl_buffer);e       ENDIF;;       IF (GET_INFO(BUFFER,"find_buffer","PGP_BUFFER") <> 0)e
       THEN         DELETE(temp_buffer);       ENDIF;
       RETURN;0     [OTHERWISE]:B !     Copy contents of dcl_buffer to end of MESSAGES system buffer'       POSITION(END_OF(MESSAGE_BUFFER));6       COPY_TEXT(dcl_buffer);? !     Set current buffer and cursor position to original buffert!       SET(orig_mode,orig_buffer);        POSITION(orig_buffer);#       IF (selection_saved = "TRUE")h
       THEN  !       Include the deleted text0         READ_FILE("SYS$SCRATCH:_PGP_MAIL.TMP;");       ENDIF;" !     Get rid of temporary buffers;       IF (GET_INFO(BUFFER,"find_buffer","DCL_BUFFER") <> 0) 
       THEN         DELETE(dcl_buffer);n       ENDIF;;       IF (GET_INFO(BUFFER,"find_buffer","PGP_BUFFER") <> 0)-
       THEN         DELETE(temp_buffer);       ENDIF;?       MESSAGE("PGP error. Check system buffer MESSAGES for more  information");
       RETURN;i   ENDON_ERROR; ! Get current buffer namek,   orig_buffer:= GET_INFO(BUFFERS,"current"); ! Get mode (insert/overwrite)/.   orig_mode:= GET_INFO(CURRENT_BUFFER,"mode"); ! Get the select range   selection_saved := "FALSE";b7   sel_range := CREATE_RANGE (BUFFER_BEGIN, BUFFER_END); / ! Create a temporary buffer to receive the textr-   temp_buffer:=  CREATE_BUFFER("PGP_BUFFER");r   POSITION(temp_buffer);   MOVE_TEXT(sel_range);e   selection_saved := "TRUE";7   WRITE_FILE(temp_buffer,"SYS$SCRATCH:_PGP_MAIL.TMP;");f ! Delete temporary bufferl   DELETE(temp_buffer); ! Get text and margin sizeL   encrypt_answer_string := READ_LINE("Encrypt/Decrypt/Sign (E/D/S) ? [S]:");#   EDIT(encrypt_answer_string,TRIM);k$   EDIT(encrypt_answer_string,UPPER);   IF encrypt_answer_string = ""s   THEN!     encrypt_answer_string := "S";:   ENDIF; !/,   IF SUBSTR(encrypt_answer_string,1,1) = "S"   THEN      encrypt_answer_string := "";     recipients_keyname := "";i   ELSE.     IF SUBSTR(encrypt_answer_string,1,1) = "E"     THENG       recipients_keyname := READ_LINE("Name to uniquely identify publica encrypti
 on key:");>       recipients_keyname := " """ + recipients_keyname + """";$       encrypt_answer_string := "et";     ELSE       recipients_keyname := "";o#       encrypt_answer_string := "D";e
     ENDIF;   ENDIF; !b    IF encrypt_answer_string = "D"   THEN      encrypt_answer_string := "";     sign_answer_string:= "";   ELSE     sign_answer_string:= "-sa";n   ENDIF; !tH   MESSAGE("Enter your passphrase on this line - it will not be echoed");"   pass_phrase := get_passphrase();.   pass_phrase:= " -z """ + pass_phrase + """"; ! =   pgp_command:= "pgp +batchmode +force " + sign_answer_stringr*                    + encrypt_answer_string3                    + " sys$scratch:_PGP_MAIL.TMP -oS sys$scratch:_PGP_MAIL.ASC"                     + pass_phrase(                    + recipients_keyname;   MESSAGE( pgp_command ); 1 ! Create a temporary buffer to receive DCL outputD,   dcl_buffer:=  CREATE_BUFFER("DCL_BUFFER");   MESSAGE("PGP-ing now ...");a:   dcl_subprocess:= CREATE_PROCESS(dcl_buffer,pgp_command);; ! Set current buffer and cursor position to original bufferl   SET(orig_mode,orig_buffer);r   POSITION(orig_buffer); ! Include the PGP-ed filet*   READ_FILE("SYS$scratch:_PGP_MAIL.ASC;");   selection_saved := "FALSE"; ,   IF SUBSTR(encrypt_answer_string,1,1) = "e"   THEN= !   Check if user would like a plain text copy for themselvesgK     plain_text_copy := READ_LINE("Mail yourself a plain text copy ? [N]:");W     EDIT(plain_text_copy,TRIM);t      EDIT(plain_text_copy,UPPER);(     IF SUBSTR(plain_text_copy,1,1) = "Y"     THENL       SEND("MAIL/SUBJECT=""Plaintext of PGP mail"" SYS$scratch:_PGP_MAIL.TMP 'F$S, GETJPI("""",""USERNAME"")'",dcl_subprocess);
     ENDIF;   ENDIF;  ! Delete the two temporary filesI   SEND("IF F$SEARCH(""SYS$SCRATCH:_PGP_MAIL.TMP"").NES."""" THEN $ DELETEl SYS$SC' RATCH:_PGP_MAIL.TMP;*",dcl_subprocess);eI   SEND("IF F$SEARCH(""SYS$SCRATCH:_PGP_MAIL.ASC"").NES."""" THEN $ DELETER SYS$SC' RATCH:_PGP_MAIL.ASC;*",dcl_subprocess);d ! Delete subprocessu   dcl_subprocess:= 0;- ! Delete DCL buffer-   DELETE(dcl_buffer);-   MESSAGE("Text PGP-ed") ! ENDIF;
 ENDPROCEDURE;  !- ! Set up key definition  !3 PROCEDURE define_pgp_keyE   DEFINE_KEY("PGP", KEY_NAME("g",SHIFT_KEY), "PGP", eve$x_user_keys);    MESSAGE ( "GOLD-G = PGP" );e
 ENDPROCEDURE;s !t$ ! Get pass phrase without echoing it !( PROCEDURE get_passphrase) LOCAL the_key, instring, shadow, the_len;:   instring := "";    shadow := "";u   the_len := 0;u   LOOP     the_key := read_key;     exitif the_key = RET_KEY;0     exitif the_len > 132;      IF the_key <> DEL_KEY      THEN       shadow := shadow + "*";t,       instring := instring + ascii(the_key);       the_len := the_len + 1;      ELSE       IF the_len > 1
       THEN         the_len := the_len - 1;i3         instring := SUBSTR( instring, 1, the_len );g/         shadow := SUBSTR( shadow, 1, the_len ); 
       ELSE         the_len := 0;f         instring := "";i         shadow := "";t       ENDIF;
     ENDIF;     MESSAGE(shadow);
   ENDLOOP;   RETURN( instring );s
 ENDPROCEDURE;r --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.coml= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevents< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:03:25 +0200f, From: "Martie Ressing" <m.ressing@planet.nl>$ Subject: Process memory-usage on VMS, Message-ID: <9ccmnm$5qe65$1@reader02.wxs.nl>   Hello,  C I've got a problem concerning jobs seemingly running out of memory.sG We are running a program (on Alpha/VMS) developed in PowerHouse (a 4GL)a& which call's, repeatedly, a C-program.= We think the C-program doesn't free the memory it uses, aftern= returning to the calling program, because after some time thelG program just quits (without some message). I would expect the C-programw= just give back all the memory it used to the calling process. 8 Changing process-quota just delays the time of crashing.   My question's:B - how can I monitor memory usage for a specific process on VMS, so)   I could perhaps track down the problem.)? - Does anyone have suggestions how we could tackle this problemr     Martie Ressing Software engineer-( Inter Access, Deventer (The Netherlands)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:50:52 -0700e5 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com>u( Subject: Re: Process memory-usage on VMS( Message-ID: <O6g$A13zAHA.83@cpmsnbbsa07>  K You could start with show process/accounting or show process/continuous (onf@ 2nd typing a "V" might be of some interest - HELP SHOW PROCESS).  K How is the 4GL language "calling" the C program? Are you using lib$spawn to L call a program or are you calling a routine written in C (your wording seems6 to indicate something along the lines of a lib$spawn).  I Unless the program (or routine) getting called is doing something unusualeL (such as inner mode stuff) resources are typically released when the programK terminates. With something along the lines of a lib$spawn I wouldn't expecttL to see behavior you are describing. I would expect to see the below problemsH from an (improperly) coded function. There are exceptions to every rule.D Calling something like $GETQUI and negelecting to release the "queue7 context" can get you into problems even in user mode....  G If you search through past "OpenVMS Wizard" articles you can find a few @ rather indepth ones on memory leaks (common causes and debugging7 techniques). The wizard is a quite a knowledgable chap.o  / http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/index.html    Joei      7 "Martie Ressing" <m.ressing@planet.nl> wrote in message & news:9ccmnm$5qe65$1@reader02.wxs.nl... > Hello, >,E > I've got a problem concerning jobs seemingly running out of memory.yI > We are running a program (on Alpha/VMS) developed in PowerHouse (a 4GL):( > which call's, repeatedly, a C-program.? > We think the C-program doesn't free the memory it uses, after$? > returning to the calling program, because after some time theoI > program just quits (without some message). I would expect the C-program.? > just give back all the memory it used to the calling process.e: > Changing process-quota just delays the time of crashing. >n > My question's:D > - how can I monitor memory usage for a specific process on VMS, so+ >   I could perhaps track down the problem.-A > - Does anyone have suggestions how we could tackle this problemo >o >e > Martie Ressing > Software engineere* > Inter Access, Deventer (The Netherlands) >  >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 10:51:00 +0400 4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>( Subject: Re: Process memory-usage on VMS4 Message-ID: <7110051732.20010428105100@ncc.volga.ru>  9 On 28.04.2001 Martie Ressing <m.ressing@planet.nl> wrote:)   > Hello,  E > I've got a problem concerning jobs seemingly running out of memory.-I > We are running a program (on Alpha/VMS) developed in PowerHouse (a 4GL)@( > which call's, repeatedly, a C-program.? > We think the C-program doesn't free the memory it uses, aftern? > returning to the calling program, because after some time the I > program just quits (without some message). I would expect the C-programh? > just give back all the memory it used to the calling process..: > Changing process-quota just delays the time of crashing.   > My question's:D > - how can I monitor memory usage for a specific process on VMS, so+ >   I could perhaps track down the problem.'A > - Does anyone have suggestions how we could tackle this problemg  A   AFAIK, Powerhouse runs external programms in subprocesses and I A can't imagine how possibly unallocated memory can survive processv@ rundown. So your first assumption seems to me not very likely toB occur. But why do you think that there are insufficient memory for3 process? What are the simptoms? Any error messages?eA   Your process can run out of VIRTUALPAGECNT, or out of page filesC quota, or GBLPAGES or GBLSECTIONS can be exhausted if you choose toe% map screen sections to global memory.mE   You can monitor memory usage with SHOW PROC /CONT /ID=xxx (see line D "Virtual pages"). You can track down dynamic memory related problemsA with CMEM package from Freeware CD, we use it with great success.L   -- r   Valentin Likoumn   valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:30:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e5 Subject: Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large filee, Message-ID: <3AE9E4FE.8FBA324B@videotron.ca>   John Laird wrote:cJ > In a previous existence, I used to work with multi-gigabyte seismic dataJ > sets and multi-megabyte mapping surfaces, on 3-vup Vaxstations with slow > disks.  I feel your pain :-)   Thanks for your comments.   N The code itself would be fairly compact so I am not too worried about the codeJ paging. And because of locality, I suspect that only 3-4  blocks at a time would suffice.  L As far as compressing ocean space, you can't really do that since you'd haveM to decompress a whole row everytime I needed access  to it. The program would,N however generate the section file with a square that contains only the area ofN interest so that would eliminate much of the data. But I want my program to be" able to take a much wider dataset.   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2001 21:59:55 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) 5 Subject: Re: Random access to 2 bytes in a large file . Message-ID: <QTLO6qfiO8Ob@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  \ In article <3AE98424.C5418EF8@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Wayne Sewell wrote:nQ >> No.  The size of the working set and of the process virtual address space have-  >> little to do with each other. > O > Correct, I was thinking of the "virtual pages" in the SHOW PROC/CONT display.r > L > On a MAC, this is quite simple, you have physical memory size, and virtualM > memory size. But I never figured out what the virtual memory size parameter M > was for VMS (for the system as a whole and for an individual process). (Fort > VAX, 7.2)w >  > O > Also, in the case of section files, If I request a byte that is not currently>O > in physical memory, will the system fetch a single 512 byte block to map thatn> > request byte ? Or would it page multiple blocks are a time ?  M You can specify this.   Paging is done in groups called page fault clusters. CM If you are creating a private or global section you can specify the number of 5 pages in a cluster in the call to the system service.r     > L > For my first application, there would be locality of the data with perhapsM > about 2 or 3 non consecvutive blocks being accessed many times. (increasing 8 > longitude, and slightly varying latitude by +- 1 row). -- sO ===============================================================================fM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxt: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) O =============================================================================== B Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"x   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:34:55 GMTo* From: a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen)C Subject: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98Y1 Message-ID: <3ae9c8d0.58108970@news.cso.uiuc.edu>e   Hey -0  F Here I am again.  I'm attempting to make a copy of an OpenVMS-readable CD.-   The process I'm using is;e $mount/foreign/noassist <dev>i $copy <dev> <file>.iso $ftp <win98 machine>
 ftp>binary ftp>send <file>.isos win98>burn-a-cdr  @ I've tried a couple different options, and I've created a couple different unreadable cds.i  F I'm getting closer with Easy CD Creator 4.  This time when I mount the new cd I get the error;i8 %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Files-11 home block not found on volume4 %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Please mount device _UITCSA$DKA600:  : Which is progress.  Before I'd get 'media offline' errors.  8 Has anyone else been successful doing something similar?   Tony -   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:42:57 -0500P1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98 ' Message-ID: <3AE9CBC1.664D8700@fsi.net>e   Anthony J Mullen wrote:i >  > Hey -C > H > Here I am again.  I'm attempting to make a copy of an OpenVMS-readable > CD.  >  > The process I'm using is;f > $mount/foreign/noassist <dev>  > $copy <dev> <file>.iso > $ftp <win98 machine> > ftp>binary > ftp>send <file>.isoe > win98>burn-a-cde > B > I've tried a couple different options, and I've created a couple > different unreadable cds.  > H > I'm getting closer with Easy CD Creator 4.  This time when I mount the > new cd I get the error;": > %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Files-11 home block not found on volume6 > %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Please mount device _UITCSA$DKA600: > < > Which is progress.  Before I'd get 'media offline' errors. > : > Has anyone else been successful doing something similar?  ) See: http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html    -- ; David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:46:39 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98FD Message-ID: <OFD0A4054B.423E6D16-ON88256A3B.006C4387@foundation.com>  0 There's two easy ways that I've had work for me.  H 1) Get a copy of "Nero", it's CD burning software and it's more powerfulG than Easy CD Creator. There's a 5 day free evaluation period before you  have to pay.C 2) Get a copy of the Gear Replicator. It's not as powerful as Nero.   J Both can copy even a bootable VMS CD in one step on a PC. Have a search onJ the web, they're not hard to find. I think I got Gear at www.winfiles.com.   Shaner            > a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen) on 04/27/2001 12:34:55 PM  6 Please respond to a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen)   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:d  D Subject:  Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98     Hey -   F Here I am again.  I'm attempting to make a copy of an OpenVMS-readable CD.L   The process I'm using is;  $mount/foreign/noassist <dev>  $copy <dev> <file>.iso $ftp <win98 machine>
 ftp>binary ftp>send <file>.iso  win98>burn-a-cdE  @ I've tried a couple different options, and I've created a couple different unreadable cds.   F I'm getting closer with Easy CD Creator 4.  This time when I mount the new cd I get the error;N8 %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Files-11 home block not found on volume4 %MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Please mount device _UITCSA$DKA600:  : Which is progress.  Before I'd get 'media offline' errors.  8 Has anyone else been successful doing something similar?   Tony -   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:57:35 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98I0 Message-ID: <PakG6.320$5I.6025@news.cpqcorp.net>  ^ In article <3ae9c8d0.58108970@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen) writes:  G :Here I am again.  I'm attempting to make a copy of an OpenVMS-readablea :CD. :i :The process I'm using is...  M   Um, forget the PC?  Use one of the available tools for OpenVMS -- CDRECORD BM   and CDWRITE are two such packages -- and a SCSI CD-R drive, and create the  #   CD-R media directly on OpenVMS.  E  I   I used a combination of CDRECORD and LD to create the Freeware disks...k  M   The OpenVMS FAQ has pointers to the CD-R software packages and information  $   on creating CD-R media on OpenVMS.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:20:14 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98"0 Message-ID: <009FB2CF.2B1E0902@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <PakG6.320$5I.6025@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: _ >In article <3ae9c8d0.58108970@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen) writes:  >rH >:Here I am again.  I'm attempting to make a copy of an OpenVMS-readable >:CD.L >: >:The process I'm using is.... >)N >  Um, forget the PC?  Use one of the available tools for OpenVMS -- CDRECORD N >  and CDWRITE are two such packages -- and a SCSI CD-R drive, and create the $ >  CD-R media directly on OpenVMS.   >-J >  I used a combination of CDRECORD and LD to create the Freeware disks... >SN >  The OpenVMS FAQ has pointers to the CD-R software packages and information % >  on creating CD-R media on OpenVMS.e > O > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- O >      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    iO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------lM >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com; >     ! ... but that's not supported.  :)m   Sorry, I just had too.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM.            bO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.L   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:27:37 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)bG Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98p0 Message-ID: <009FB2D0.32BEE040@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ^ In article <3ae9c8d0.58108970@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen) writes: >Hey - >EG >Here I am again.  I'm attempting to make a copy of an OpenVMS-readableh >CD. >A >The process I'm using is; >$mount/foreign/noassist <dev> >$copy <dev> <file>.isoe >$ftp <win98 machine>h >ftp>binary_ >ftp>send <file>.iso >win98>burn-a-cd >xA >I've tried a couple different options, and I've created a coupleh >different unreadable cds. >nG >I'm getting closer with Easy CD Creator 4.  This time when I mount the  >new cd I get the error;9 >%MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Files-11 home block not found on volumet5 >%MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Please mount device _UITCSA$DKA600:w > ; >Which is progress.  Before I'd get 'media offline' errors.= >f9 >Has anyone else been successful doing something similar?N >; >Tony -I  J Not with a PeeCee.  I suspect that your software is burning the <file>.isoJ as ISO9660 into the CD.  This will not work.  ISO9660 will not write in/toJ the first 16 (2048) sectors of the CD.  This area corresponds to the firstH 64 block of a VMS volume.  If you are not writing VBN 1 of <file>.iso toI LBN 0 of the CD, you will never mount the CD as a VMS volume.  You PeeCeenK software *must* be able to burn the CD with an image (the <file>.iso) with-0. out interpreting or imposing *any* formatting.  I Adap-tick SLeazy CD Creator, I've been told, cannot be used to burn a VMSqJ image without Adap-tick SLeazy CD Creator trying to impose ISO9660 format-K ting.  Go with another package or burn the CD on VMS like any right-minded e VMSer would do.a   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             sO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:38:04 GMTv From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98a' Message-ID: <3AE9F4CA.7B343F7A@home.nl>i  % I use LD and Nero, and it works fine.na The real question is why we have to rely on freeware tools etc., and why write CD-R's and CD-RW'sa^ isn't a part of VMS itself. I think it is a great way to archive files etc. for immediate use,] instead of having to restore a backup set (or parts of it). Can't be to difficult for the VMSs engineers I hope ?   regards,   Dirk   Hoff Hoffman wrote:m  ` > In article <3ae9c8d0.58108970@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen) writes: >nI > :Here I am again.  I'm attempting to make a copy of an OpenVMS-readablee > :CD. > :H > :The process I'm using is... >uN >   Um, forget the PC?  Use one of the available tools for OpenVMS -- CDRECORDN >   and CDWRITE are two such packages -- and a SCSI CD-R drive, and create the# >   CD-R media directly on OpenVMS.e >tK >   I used a combination of CDRECORD and LD to create the Freeware disks...i >rN >   The OpenVMS FAQ has pointers to the CD-R software packages and information& >   on creating CD-R media on OpenVMS. > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:50:31 GMTn2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98m2 Message-ID: <bBnG6.67$o7.1484@typhoon.aracnet.com>  > Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@sendspamhere.org> wrote:K > Adap-tick SLeazy CD Creator, I've been told, cannot be used to burn a VMSiL > image without Adap-tick SLeazy CD Creator trying to impose ISO9660 format-M > ting.  Go with another package or burn the CD on VMS like any right-minded k > VMSer would do.n  I Any idea if Toast on the Mac can?  I'm looking into getting a nice new CDsI burner for my Mac, and would like to be able to burn VMS images to CD-R. dG Currently I'm using cdrecord on a Linux box with a dying 2x CD-R drive.l   			Zanes   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:54:12 GMTq2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98-0 Message-ID: <EEnG6.325$5I.6024@news.cpqcorp.net>  p In article <009FB2CF.2B1E0902@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:f :In article <PakG6.320$5I.6025@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:O :>  Um, forget the PC?  Use one of the available tools for OpenVMS -- CDRECORD DO :>  and CDWRITE are two such packages -- and a SCSI CD-R drive, and create the s% :>  CD-R media directly on OpenVMS.    :e" :... but that's not supported.  :)  I   And transfering an OpenVMS disk image over to a PC and burning the CD-RoE   on the PC is any more supported?  ("I really don't think so..." :-)    :Sorry, I just had too.n     Sorry, I also had to...  :-)   	--u  G   I've been digging into the CD-R geometry calculations in the CD toolsqL   and in DKDRIVER, looking to solve the non-fatal but annoying ANALYZE/DISK M   reports of problems with CD-R media.  The Freeware disks have a gratuitous eE   extra (if I remember correctly) eight blocks, which throws off the eI   calculations of the ODS-2 bitmap and causes ANALYZE/DISK to complain.  nG   Ugh.  (These extra blocks are not limited to the Freeware CD-R media; E   I've noticed these block-freebies are fairly common on CD-R media.)   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:04:41 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98u0 Message-ID: <tOnG6.326$5I.6024@news.cpqcorp.net>  H In article <3AE9F4CA.7B343F7A@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  J :The real question is why we have to rely on freeware tools etc., and why 6 :write CD-R's and CD-RW's isn't a part of VMS itself.   D   Would you be willing to pay for a Compaq CD-R or Compaq-specified F   CD-R drive (including a CD-R media kit the application software and C   tools for OpenVMS CD-R) and the associated software and hardware     support contracts?  How much?i  J   The "fun" I've had recently involves kitting up a CD-R application tool H   and the associated mechanisms such as LD -- and since folks are givingE   these away for free, well, I'm not sure how much of a market existsoG   for a product if/when I finish.  (The purchase price and the support  D   contract might or might not cover the effort and the costs of the    support calls.)   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:15:08 -0700a+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>cG Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98o( Message-ID: <3AEA0B8C.B4BFFAC2@mmaz.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:j  K >   The "fun" I've had recently involves kitting up a CD-R application tooloJ >   and the associated mechanisms such as LD -- and since folks are givingG >   these away for free, well, I'm not sure how much of a market existseH >   for a product if/when I finish.  (The purchase price and the supportE >   contract might or might not cover the effort and the costs of thef >   support calls.)i  R Sure, about $250 to $300 which is the current price for a high-end Sony or HP SCSIO CD/CD-R/CD-RW drive but if you are going to do CD, what about DVD as well?  NowsM there is something that has archival potential if the industry could get intos formation on a standard...   Barrym   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028c   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 18:23:54 GMTf/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>t0 Subject: Re: Tabular Timeline Tracking Tool (T4)) Message-ID: <3AE972EA.4E05F8E7@uiowa.edu>t   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > ] > In article <3AE82118.3E2B9AEF@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes:aJ > :I have read about T4 a couple times now, but have not been able to findG > :it anywhere on the OpenVMS web pages or software rollout lists, etc.C > :tJ > :Does anyone know the status of this product or where there is more info > :about it? [...snip...]K >   Without more details -- such as a source or a webpage referencing this,=I >   or a contact or similar source such, I doubt that I'd be able to find=# >   additional information on this.: > N >   [Please, don't cross-post stuff over to the Ask The Wizard area.  Thanks!]  @ 	I see you saw my question there. :)  I "Asked Jeeves", searchedF Compaq, posted in comp.os.vms, etc. before I Asked The Wizard.  Sorry.  > 	It has been mentioned in the OpenVMS Times.  It has a sectionD in the current issue (Vol 2, #1) and I thought I saw it before in a = previous OpenVMS Times issue, but I can't confirm that now...    Rick -- eH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479S   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:17:10 GMTg2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: Tabular Timeline Tracking Tool (T4)0 Message-ID: <WAjG6.318$5I.5736@news.cpqcorp.net>  [ In article <3AE972EA.4E05F8E7@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes:o :Hoff Hoffman wrote: :> n^ :> In article <3AE82118.3E2B9AEF@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes:K :> :I have read about T4 a couple times now, but have not been able to findMH :> :it anywhere on the OpenVMS web pages or software rollout lists, etc. ..O :>   [Please, don't cross-post stuff over to the Ask The Wizard area.  Thanks!]e :<' :	I see you saw my question there. :)  e  @   The cross-posting detection mechanism located and reported it.  - :	It has been mentioned in the OpenVMS Times.w     I'm checking now.   E   I will post information (likely later week at the earliest) when I ,@   figure out just what T4 is and why it is so hard to find it...  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:00:16 -0500S1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> 1 Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wipedg' Message-ID: <3AE9C1C0.71885144@fsi.net>e   Jerry Leslie wrote:d > 2 > David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@fsi.net) wrote: [snip] > : / > : BTW - isn't that supposed to be "/CONFIRM"?p > :1 > K > Yup, but "/CONFORM" was accepted by the system when I performed the test.c  E ...or, at least, it wasn't rejected. Beyond the "unique" portion of aEH verb or qualifer name, DCL (CLI$xxx) sometimes doesn't seem to care much
 what's there.m  ? At the DCL level, I usually have a "DIR" symbol set up like so:r   $ sh sym dir.   DIR*ECTORY == "DIRECTORY/SIZE=ALL/DATE/PROT"  0 Then to override that, I'll use this in a proc.:   $ DIRECTORYX/NOHEAD/NOTRAIL...  G ...to produce a list of filespec.'s matching certain selection criteria H (/SINCE, /SELECT=SIZE..., etc.) for input to ZIP or DFU (for example) in1 those proc.'s where I don't wanna use SET SYMBOL.l   You'll even find:J  ( $ search sys$system:*.com f$getsys/win=0/ SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]AXPVMS$PCSI_INSTALL_LP.COM;1   C (SA_STARTUP.COM seems to have had this fixed between V6.2 and V7.1)l   ...but:b   $ help lex f$getsys8   Lexicals)   Sorry, no documentation on LEX F$GETSYSe   [snip]   FWIW...-   -- e David J. Dachteras dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.u   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 16:49:29 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler).1 Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wiped 3 Message-ID: <wKkel0f3EuPK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3AE9C1C0.71885144@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:j > A > At the DCL level, I usually have a "DIR" symbol set up like so:e >  > $ sh sym dir0 >   DIR*ECTORY == "DIRECTORY/SIZE=ALL/DATE/PROT" > 2 > Then to override that, I'll use this in a proc.: >   > $ DIRECTORYX/NOHEAD/NOTRAIL... >   E This technique is documented with the example of "redefining" logout.eD $logoutnow is the suggested last command in a DCL file who's started by the a symbol for logout.B  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationa= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouphE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingn   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Apr 2001 22:18:56 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell)o1 Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.1 Allow Host Table To Wipedn. Message-ID: <Uhqr+1K16XHz@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  ` In article <HRgG6.1824$%L5.32250@insync>, LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie) writes:2 > David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@fsi.net) wrote: > : Jerry Leslie wrote:2 > : > D > : > TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.1 will delete all9 > : > local hosts when the following command is executed:u > : > % > : >   $ tcpip set nohost /noconform.
 > : [snip] > : K > : I seem to remember that being a "feature" all the way back to UCX V4.x.k >  > Yes. ( >  > : / > : BTW - isn't that supposed to be "/CONFIRM"?. > :  > K > Yup, but "/CONFORM" was accepted by the system when I performed the test.' >   M DCL only looks at the first four letters.  This is why I always use deleeeetenO instead of delete in command procedures to be used at customer sites.  It seems-O like a strange thing to do, but deleeeete works as well as delete and it is note@ affected by any symbol definitions for delete the user may have.     LARRY> sho sym del*    DE*LETE == "DELETE/LOG"i LARRY> create x.xO LARRY> create y.yt LARRY> delete x.x;P %DELETE-I-FILDEL, HARDY_DISK4:[SP32_PRODUCT_TEST.JB_TEST_COMMON]X.X;1 deleted (0  blocks) LARRY> deleeete y.y; LARRY>    L Notice that the /log was dropped when using deleeeete.  It didn't substitute the symbol.e     -- aO ===============================================================================-M Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxk: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)1O ===============================================================================eB Jed Clampett, checking into hotel: "This place got a cement pond?"+ Ellie May: "And do yuh let critters in it?"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:50:49 +0100c5 From: "Steeples, Oliver" <Oliver.Steeples@compaq.com>dW Subject: RE: Trying to connect HSG80 console port to Bay Networks Annex terminal server8N Message-ID: <F498D199EDB12D468CD2C66680D308018B1414@reoexc04.emea.cpqcorp.net>  : This is the pinouts for a HSG80 RJ11 to Cisco router RJ45:  K The Cisco terminal server has a standard 8 pin RJ45 connector the HSG80 hase a 6 pin RJ11  " 6 Pin RJ11    --to-->   8 pin RJ45   		Not used	8 CTS 1 DTR                  	7 DSR- 2 TXD                   6 RXDf 3 TXGND                 4 GNDd 4 RXGND                 5 GNDl 5 RXD                   3 TXD  6 DSR                   2 DTRi 		Not used	1 RTS   The above is x-over wiring.%  L The pin outs shown above are specifically for Cisco's RJ-45 RS-232 (EIA-232) ports.   This 'might' help0   	Oliveri -----Original Message-----* From: Joseph Gill [mailto:gilljb@home.com]$ Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 8:24 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com C Subject: Trying to connect HSG80 console port to Bay Networks Annex> terminal serveri    L Has anyone connected the HSG80 console port to a Bay Networks Annex terminalL server?  I've checked the VMS FAQ for the pinouts but that didn't help and IA can't find the pinouts for the Bay Network Annex terminal server.C   Thanks,    Joeo   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2001 08:48:27 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>' Subject: Re: VMS and Fast Etherchannel?r- Message-ID: <878zklc0is.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  - John Eisenschmidt <jeisensc@aaas.org> writes:h   > So what was I asking.a  D > If we take a piece of PC hardware (which I was crucifying earlier,B > make no mistake) which has two onboard NICs, whether I put NT orE > OpenBSD on it, I can configure those two NICs to act as 1, bound to(@ > the same IP address. Now, call it trunking, fast etherchannel,= > whatever, it is two NICs behaving as one for throughput and- > reundancy.  E Ah, as I suspected... I tihnk if you look at the details, it requiresc7 co-operation from the other end. (Cisco by any chance?)i  G What it is sort of doing, is using each 100T as a full-duplex point-to-dG point link, and presenting the destination IP address in the other box.oK So, it is turning an ethernet link (that isn't really) into a non ethernet.n  D > My question was simply is that possible under OpenVMS? Can I treatE > the two onboard NICs in the DS10 as 1 with a single IP address? And ) > if so, how would I go about doing that.,  G IP addresses are defined to be interface addresses, not node addresses,oH as DECnet IV does. The only way 'by the book' is to define a C name that( points to both real interface addresses.  G DECnet will give them both the same address (sort of...), but they must G be on seperate LANs, with a router between them, as they will both haveD the same Hardware Address.  D BTW, I think being able to use 10T or 100T (or 1000?) links as a P-PF would be a very good idea. This would then work as the case you quoted does.h  ? > The 802 standards are fun. My favorite is when Novell reverseDF > engineered 802.3 for IPX and did it wrong so that a single malformed4 > packet could abend the server each and every time.  : Ah, the process broadcast packet! AKA the packet of death.   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov :   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 14:01:47 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)nP Subject: RE: VMS gets positive mention in Compaq Q1 financial analystsconference3 Message-ID: <xxproXjo1I1r@eisner.encompasserve.org>   z In article <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1DC6@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>, Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> writes: >> -----Original Message----- : >> From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com] > 5 >> Of course if you believe the MS spiel on "Scaling l3 >> Out", which is basically lots of small boxes in l7 >> a cluster with a parallel app on top, which Compaqs d5 >> brass obviously do then of course Intel boxes can    >> be enterprise servers. :):):) > K > Well, there's nothing wrong with clusters and parallel apps.  The problem2M > --as with anything -- is when you have a weak architecture supporting them,n > they tend to collapse. :)e > M > On the other hand, if you have a cluster done right, you may not notice therN > collapse of a machine here and there.  In assuming that, though, we're faced; > with the question:  When has M$ ever done anything right?e  7 Crafting the contract for the IBM PC operating system ?D  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:44:09 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: VT POP3 client?2 Message-ID: <dvnG6.66$o7.1484@typhoon.aracnet.com>  - Jerry Alan Braga <jabraga@flanagan.ca> wrote:hB > Visit the following www site and look at the MAILBOX for openvms   > http://patrick.lequere.net  G Hey!  I Like!  I just snagged a copy, though I first had to unmunge thehL script for unmunging the saveset.  Anyway, I just gave it a try, and think IL will have to install it.  The only problem I see is that it doesn't look to M handle large mailboxes very well, it looks like you've got to scroll through   the whole thing.   			Zane-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:44:14 -0500 8 From: Daniel Seagraves <dseagrav@sakura.lunar-tokyo.net>2 Subject: Re: Warning - Charon-VAX Hobbyist EditionM Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104271341070.21166-100000@sakura.lunar-tokyo.net>o  * On Thu, 26 Apr 2001, Hunter Goatley wrote:  P > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:56:03 -0000, Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.net> > wrote: > ( > >To who are Charon-VAX hobbyist users: > >p   [snip]  A > >It looks like discrimination aganist hobbyist customers to me.e& > >I am not happy with SRI's decision. > > D > That's your prerogative.  They're a business trying to make money.E > Why should they give Hobbyist users priority over paying customers?'  H Tim; Please try to understand - VAX and VMS people are like IBM people -: Nothing matters to them except for $$$.  Hackers and otherG non-revenue-generating types are useless to them.  They're not like thei PDP-10 people we're used to.  J Please don't be disappointed that they seem cold and callous; That's theirK nature.  They were born and bred that way.  Such is the legacy of the VAX -- It's not their fault.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:29:36 GMTt- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)c2 Subject: Re: Warning - Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition0 Message-ID: <3ae9c710.65934608@swen.process.com>  4 On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 13:44:14 -0500, Daniel Seagraves( <dseagrav@sakura.lunar-tokyo.net> wrote:  I >Tim; Please try to understand - VAX and VMS people are like IBM people - ; >Nothing matters to them except for $$$.  Hackers and other-H >non-revenue-generating types are useless to them.  They're not like the >PDP-10 people we're used to.- >-K >Please don't be disappointed that they seem cold and callous; That's theiryL >nature.  They were born and bred that way.  Such is the legacy of the VAX - >It's not their fault. >oE Now you're just being ridiculous.  If they were as "cold and callous" I as you make them sound, they wouldn't be doing a hobbyist version at all. 6 They are.  It's just temporarily on hold.  Lighten up.  H (Again, I'm not affiliated with SRI, other than running the user mailing list.)   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/p9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/t   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2001 10:01:01 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>: Subject: Re: Warning: EV68/833 and Oracle Rdb incompatible- Message-ID: <87zod1aile.fsf@prep.synonet.com>i  < "Frederick Hoenisch" <Fred.hoenisch@gems9.gov.bc.ca> writes:  M > A warning to system managers that are keen on upgrading to EV68 technology.a  > > This past weekend we upgraded our AlphaServer 4100 to a dual= > processor ES40 with EV68/833s.  The upgrade went relatively-E > smoothly, that is, until the Rdb (7.0.6.1) startup tried to run andi  > reported the following errors:  b= > %COSI-F-UNSUPP_HW_EVX, unsupported hardware DECchip variant7C > %RMU-F-FATALOSI, Fatal error from the Operating System Interface.9> > %RMU-F-FTL_RMU, Fatal error for RMU operation at 22-APR-2001
 > 10:21:18.44e  E > Until COMPAQ and ORACLE sort out this hardware certification issue,wB > don't plan on upgrading to the EV68 processors if Rdb is mission@ > critical to your organisation.  Worthy of note, is that COMPAQ? > responded to our issue as soon as they were made aware of the- > situation.  E I think this is the EV6 problem, you need a later version of RDB.  IfsF there is a EV6-EV68 problem, RDB engineering will be seriously pissed!     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,#   mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov o   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 02:07:20 GMT & From: "Yi Jiang" <yjiang3487@home.com>7 Subject: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? ; Message-ID: <sBpG6.47496$CY.2641446@news1.rdc2.on.home.com>/  I Just try to find some information on Oracle website about Oracle Database I for Open VMS. It seems that I cannot find any clue indicating support for_K Oracle Database on Open VMS. I am sure that Oracle Database is available on # vms somewhere, maybe older version.-   Any information on this matter?p     Yi   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:39:59 +0400R* From: "Yuri Ermakov" <ermak@cbr.ryazan.su>; Subject: Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS?A/ Message-ID: <9cdhbi$b98$1@summer.cbr.ryazan.su>i  5 Current version Oracle 8i 8.1.6 work on OpenVMS Alpha   G "Yi Jiang" <yjiang3487@home.com> /   :@5 news:sBpG6.47496$CY.2641446@news1.rdc2.on.home.com...iK > Just try to find some information on Oracle website about Oracle DatabasepK > for Open VMS. It seems that I cannot find any clue indicating support forfJ > Oracle Database on Open VMS. I am sure that Oracle Database is available on% > vms somewhere, maybe older version.t > ! > Any information on this matter?  >	 >h > Yi >e >o   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Apr 2001 22:46:03 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)I; Subject: Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS?d, Message-ID: <6I3IhUXRZvIl@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  0 In article <9cdhbi$b98$1@summer.cbr.ryazan.su>, /    "Yuri Ermakov" <ermak@cbr.ryazan.su> writes:p7 > Current version Oracle 8i 8.1.6 work on OpenVMS Alphae > *    Oracle 8.1.7 is also available for VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:08:10 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com; Subject: Re: www.compaq.com/openvms news from Sue Skonetskie4 Message-ID: <C2256A3B.00684157.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  = I put this on my Encompasserve web page to try it and it doest; not display.  It also does not execute.  What am I missing?o! [That's the OSU webserver, IIRC.]         4 sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com on 04/27/2001 01:59:17 PM  , Please respond to sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com. cc:a< Subject:  Re: www.compaq.com/openvms news from Sue Skonetski         [Snip]   $!6 $! COUNTER.COM -- just to see if I could do it in DCL.5 $! call this by <IMG SRC="/cgi-bin/counter.com/page">"B $! Where page is the P1 Argument and is used to make the file nameE $! for the TXT File which holds the "count" IF the file doesn't exist:E $! it is created with the "count" starting at 1. The file file can be'  $! edited and the count changed. $!F $! debug it by calling it by itself: http://.../cgi-bin/counter.com...J $! returns an XBM image of the number of hits; or plaintext with the errorJ $! You will need to create the counter yourself if the server doesn't have $! write access.   --B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comE 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ma.ultranet.comA3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875/5    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myselft,          Read http://www.openvms.compaq.com/B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:15:31 -0400s! From: Everhart <everhart@gce.com>gV Subject: [Fwd: RE: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours,and Solaris gets the blame]& Message-ID: <3AE9FD93.BA963A4@gce.com>  ( Re the discussion about the Argus break:G Patch or not, the problem was the same LDT hole that also was mentionedAK for one of the open unix versions, as has been reported on various securityjH lists, and pardon me, but being able to get into kernel mode and executeA random code seems about as serious as security holes can get. The"6 problem is however x86 specific. On x86 it is serious.  J For VMS folks who don't know, the effect is much as if some errant serviceE allowed you to stick your own trap handler into real kernel space andtE specify what part of your code executed on certain traps, and letting-, you set the mode bits to be used in the PSL.  D My understanding of Sparc is that its trap architecture, like Alpha,* makes this kind of mistake quite unlikely.  B On this one, I'm inclined to consider Intel's design as at least a
 comparable= weakness to that of the OS designers who missed the subtlety.   C How far the breakers in took their activity is another matter; theyaB appear to have gotten far enough to embarrass Argus. The x86 hole ) used is capable of all sorts of mischief.t     Glenn Everhart   -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]e$ Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 9:59 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com F Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets	 the blamee     "D.Webb" wrote:  > < > In article <3AE8654E.9D8D5726@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:% > >Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  > >>G > >> Since there's apparently a fix, would you care to tell us what theT > >> vulnerability was?o > >> > >R > >Its a DOS attack. > >" > ; > Not according to the folks on the Argus stand at Infosec. K > They say it's a major security hole (details of which they cannot releaseeL > until Sun has had a chance to provide a patch). It does though only affect > Solaris on Intel.rL > Now it's possible the people on the stand don't know what they are talkingJ > about. However it is also true that a Denial of Service attack would notH > have won the prize !! In order to win the prize you had to have enough control>( > of the system to deface some webpages. >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University    2 Well thats very very odd since the attack allready3 has a patch for it and the patch has been availablee! since the beginning of the year. =   regards= Andrew Harrison= Enterprise IT Architect-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:16:26 -0400.2 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>: Subject: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%M Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104271702010.29366-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>=  6 On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  9 > ... As an atheist, that makes me want to thump someone.o > I > Hey, choose to believe what you want, just let me do the same and don'tp: > call me an idiot if I don't make the same choice as you.  G I believe it was Bertrand Russell who candidly wrote: "There is no God,yI there is no good or evil." (rough paraphrase) Indeed, a true atheist does0E not believe in absolutes whether good or evil - there is no reason to H believe in it. Therefore, people can call you anything they want and youC have no basis for complaining. Unless of course you are invoking an-# unknown Universal law of some kind.      - Mihali 	    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:48:32 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%' Message-ID: <3AE9E930.44BB4C09@fsi.net>u   Mihali Felipe wrote: > 8 > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > ; > > ... As an atheist, that makes me want to thump someone.G > >mK > > Hey, choose to believe what you want, just let me do the same and don'tb< > > call me an idiot if I don't make the same choice as you. > I > I believe it was Bertrand Russell who candidly wrote: "There is no God,eK > there is no good or evil." (rough paraphrase) Indeed, a true atheist does G > not believe in absolutes whether good or evil - there is no reason toyJ > believe in it. Therefore, people can call you anything they want and youE > have no basis for complaining. Unless of course you are invoking anr% > unknown Universal law of some kind.a  B If I'm not too badly mistaken, the Laws of Physics are accepted asD universal. These are absolutes, are they not? Do atheists reject theF absolute physical laws which are the foundation of all science? If so,, then there can be neither a god nor science.  * ...which is itself an absolute, is it not?   -- n David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systems, http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:18:58 -0400 2 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%M Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104271746200.29366-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>s  - On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, David J. Dachtera wrote:,  D > If I'm not too badly mistaken, the Laws of Physics are accepted asF > universal. These are absolutes, are they not? Do atheists reject theH > absolute physical laws which are the foundation of all science? If so,. > then there can be neither a god nor science. > , > ...which is itself an absolute, is it not?  E The question of "good or evil" isn't in the realm of physical laws. Ii@ thought the context was clear that we were talking about "moral"
 absolutes.     - Mihali 	n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:39:44 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%' Message-ID: <3AEA1150.FABF6C84@fsi.net>    Mihali Felipe wrote: > 8 > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > ; > > ... As an atheist, that makes me want to thump someone.  > > K > > Hey, choose to believe what you want, just let me do the same and don'ts< > > call me an idiot if I don't make the same choice as you. > I > I believe it was Bertrand Russell who candidly wrote: "There is no God, K > there is no good or evil." (rough paraphrase) Indeed, a true atheist does 0 > not believe in absolutes whether good or evil   C Then, I put it to you that atheists cannot be computer programmers.nE Among the reasons: In an IF-THEN-ELSE (or its equivalent), either the10 THEN or ELSE clause will ABSOLUTELY be executed.  F If there are no absolutes, then computer programming is impossible, asB without absolutes, the behavior of the computer when executing any" program is entirely unpredictable.   ...which is itself an absolute.e  D If there are no absolutes, then travel of any kind is impossible, asF without absolutes, the behavior of the vehicle, its propulsion systems, and other systems is entirely unpredictable.   ...which is itself an absolute.i  ? When you think about it, without absolutes nothing makes sense.    -- a David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:44:11 -0400=2 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%M Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104272040010.29366-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>-  - On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, David J. Dachtera wrote:r  E > Then, I put it to you that atheists cannot be computer programmers.i ...   F The question of "good or evil" is not in the realm of computer science? either. (Well okay, our operating systems professor might thinko& otherwise. Did anybody say Redmond?)       - Mihali 	n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 20:49:30 -0400h2 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%M Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104272044430.29366-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>t  G Talking about physical laws and computer science, how sure are you that C your thoughts (as well as mine) are merely the result of electrical0E impulses by some extraterrestrial being who ... well, you've seen TheRD Matrix. And I think it was Sartre who first articulated such ideas.        - Mihali 	1   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:10:31 -0400:2 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%M Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104272109070.29366-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>n   errata  ) On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Mihali Felipe wrote:S  I > Talking about physical laws and computer science, how sure are you thato) > your thoughts (as well as mine) are ...s   ... not ...y  % > ... merely the result of electricalrG > impulses by some extraterrestrial being who ... well, you've seen TherF > Matrix. And I think it was Sartre who first articulated such ideas.      - Mihali 	    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.236 ************************