1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 29 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 238       Contents:7 Re: Broadcast messages while waiting on INQUIRE command & Re: COMPAQ FORTRAN Conditional compile Limit on telnet sessions.  Re: Limit on telnet sessions. 7 RE: Mounting and Management station: comments please... 
 Open Motif Re: Open Motif& OT: "Body of Secrets" by James Bamford2 Question: QLogic QLA1080 SCSI Controller & OpenVMS> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98 Re: Sync Comm - PCI Card Re: Sync Comm - PCI Card' vmsmail_profile.data corruption problem 2 Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2001 16:11:07 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) @ Subject: Re: Broadcast messages while waiting on INQUIRE command3 Message-ID: <hf+SUXe1DY6M@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <j3sletsaep9hh0eqe239nck7q8q2btaeq8@4ax.com>, Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net> writes:E > All these complicated, useless answers, and not the simple solution  > among them. why not: > set term/nobroadcast > before the menu loop > and set term/broadcast > after? >  > Sheesh people, really.  8 At least in the part you quote (below), I saw nothing to8 indicate that the poster was willing to skip delivery of8 the broadcast message.  The fact that you might be happy6 with that approach in your own situation does not mean it is universally acceptable.    Larry Kilgallen   : > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:12:29 +0200 (CEST), Sandro Polato  > <robertpiatto@yahoo.it> wrote: >  >>Hi list ! 1 >>   Could you help me with this simple problem ? 7 >>I build a simple menu system based on a DCL procedure 7 >>: it displays a list of option and then wait the user " >>choice with the INQUIRE command.4 >>It works well but when a broadcast message arrives6 >>(i.e. "you have a new message") the top lines scrool, >>up and the choice list appear disordered. ) >>In this case the ctrl-W does not work.  6 >>Do you have any suggestions to avoid this problem or- >>do you know of a simple utility to use for  * >>displaying a list of options to users ?  >> >>Robert   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:27:27 +0930 % From: Jeremy Begg <jeremy@vsm.com.au> / Subject: Re: COMPAQ FORTRAN Conditional compile ' Message-ID: <3AEB9F37.10207@vsm.com.au>    Earl,     9 > Anyway to get consistent results.  I would like to make 2 > the comments or header portion of a program free0 > format not with tab, "!" or "C" in column one. > 5 > That way one could more easily import documentation  > into the source code.  > * > Something like using the following in C: >  > #ifdef ProgramDocumentation  > & >   .... free format documentation.... >  > #endif  C The technical term for this is "literate programming" and there are F several packages (both free and commercial).  One free one I've workedH with is "Funnelweb", developed by Ross Williams.  The syntax is a little@ awkward but it's very powerfull.  http://www.ross.net/funnelweb/   Regards,   	Jeremy Begg  =   +---------------------------------------------------------+ =   |            VSM Software Services Pty. Ltd.              | =   |                 http://www.vsm.com.au/                  | =   |       "OpenVMS Systems Management & Programming"        | =   |---------------------------------------------------------| =   | P.O.Box 402, Walkerville, |  E-Mail:  jeremy@vsm.com.au | =   | South Australia 5081      |   Phone:  +61 8 83592155    | =   |---------------------------|  Mobile:  0414 422 947      | =   |  A.C.N. 068 409 156       |     FAX:  +61 8 82231777    | =   +---------------------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:09:26 -0400 % From: "jester" <joedutro@hotmail.com> " Subject: Limit on telnet sessions./ Message-ID: <ten5404b8ujj6c@corp.supernews.com>   H Does anyone know where I can limit the number of telnet sessions in VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 07:36:07 +0200 2 From: Andreas Stiller <Andreas.Stiller@netsurf.de>& Subject: Re: Limit on telnet sessions.) Message-ID: <3AEBA847.6F9BEC6@netsurf.de>    Hi,   + the solution for TCP/IP services would be:   $ UCX # UCX> SET SERVICE TELNET /LIMIT=xxxx   G You can limit the max. number of session that a user can simultaneously  establish with:   ( $ define /system tcpip$telnet_max_ses xx  H The first should work for all UCX,TCPIP versions. The last probably only for TCPIP > 5.0.   Regards  Andreas    jester schrieb:  > J > Does anyone know where I can limit the number of telnet sessions in VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:06:10 -0500 + From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> @ Subject: RE: Mounting and Management station: comments please...R Message-ID: <DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180D958E@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net>  # re: Gui's for OpenVMS management ..   H Actually, I have not had a chance to take a look at this product, but it looks interesting: http://www.geneous.com/ http://www.geneous.com/all_products.htm#OpenVMS < http://www.geneous.com/handouts/uafmaest/ (Motif based tool)  - Any feedback from anyone who has used these ?    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----B From: rdeininger@mindspring.com [mailto:rdeininger@mindspring.com] Sent: April 28, 2001 1:07 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com @ Subject: Re: Mounting and Management station: comments please...    
 In articleG <DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180D9589@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net>, , "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:  4 > re: gui management (NT/Motif/whatever ..) stuff .. > H > These are usually (not always) targetted at the Help Desk and/or first level K > Operations folks who often have to deal with multiple platform issues and  doL > not have the OS specific skills required (read - they are paid quite a bit% > less than a systems manager/admin).   ? Ok. I can see that that might be useful for things like account G maintenance, etc.  If it's appropriately restricted.  (Has the industry F really given up on training folks beyond the skill required to click a1 mouse?  Have we given up on thinking altogether?)   J But letting these low-skill folks modify, via mickey-click on a billy-box,J details of disk mounting?  In such a way that a booting VMS system dependsF on their actions?  Yikes!  That would scare me to death if I had to be around it.    J Even with a read-only management tool, what would these help desk folks doJ with disk mounting information?  Escalate to a VMS person, with some vague+ report about the F: drive having a problem?   D > Imho, there is a place for both ie. command line and GUI's in most > Operations shops these days.  I True.  Which is why it is sad to see Compaq's effort going into billy-box = GUI development, instead of VMS-based (x-windows or html) GUI E development.  An x-windows GUI could be used on billy-boxes if a site F needed to do so.  And I don't believe that ANYONE wants to employ helpJ desk folks who can mickey-click in Windoze, but can't cope with Motif.  IfH your business is that unimportant, you might as well give up and go pick daisies or something.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Apr 2001 21:33:05 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann)  Subject: Open Motif 0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-k2gKCdNMzSdp@Tom2>  C is Open Motif or Motif 2.1 available for OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Alpha ?    Thomas Hahnemann S&T Systemtechnik GmbH   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Apr 2001 20:20:29 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Open Motif 3 Message-ID: <bwgDTGIWAcsH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-k2gKCdNMzSdp@Tom2>, Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) writes:E > is Open Motif or Motif 2.1 available for OpenVMS 7.2 on DEC Alpha ?   C By definition, Open Motif is not available for VMS since it is only B allowed for "free" operating systems, under some definition of the< word "free" that does not include the VMS hobbyist offering.  B Motif 2.1 is available to anyone who will pay the requisite chargeC to the Open Group (and then do the porting).  Historically this has A been the operating system vendors, and if you ask the Compaq folk C they typically answer that to date they have not seen much customer 8 demand for moving beyond the current Motif 1.2.whatever.  2 Personally, I would much prefer Motif 2.something.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 01:14:57 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>/ Subject: OT: "Body of Secrets" by James Bamford ) Message-ID: <3AEB6B70.B97A9563@wi.rr.com>    Hi:   E Just finished reading "Body of Secrets" today.  I like it much better  thanB "The Puzzle Palace".  The chapter on supercomputers was especially interesting.  ? There's less biographical information and more "nuts and bolts" 7 stories of the NSA's activities.   That's a good thing.   ; I noticed that certain parts were copied word-for-word from ; "The Puzzle Palace".  Not cool.  Why should  I pay twice to  read the same paragraphs?   : Overall, I recommend the book.  Grab your copy from Amazon today!  
 -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:14:53 -0500 1 From: Robert Alan Byer <byer@mail.ourservers.net> ; Subject: Question: QLogic QLA1080 SCSI Controller & OpenVMS 3 Message-ID: <3AEB32CD.1B1A0AB3@mail.ourservers.net>   	 Question.   G Does anyone know if a QLogic QLA1080 Ultra2 SCSI controller can be used  in an Alpha system for OpenVMS?   H I know that the QLogic QLA1040 is OpenVMS Alpha compatiable, but I can't% seem to find any info on the QLA1080.    Thanks in advance.   --    @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:56:20 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98 ' Message-ID: <3AEB3C84.F02C6698@fsi.net>   & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > i > In article <bBnG6.67$o7.1484@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes: A > >Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@sendspamhere.org> wrote: N > >> Adap-tick SLeazy CD Creator, I've been told, cannot be used to burn a VMSO > >> image without Adap-tick SLeazy CD Creator trying to impose ISO9660 format- O > >> ting.  Go with another package or burn the CD on VMS like any right-minded  > >> VMSer would do. > > L > >Any idea if Toast on the Mac can?  I'm looking into getting a nice new CDK > >burner for my Mac, and would like to be able to burn VMS images to CD-R. J > >Currently I'm using cdrecord on a Linux box with a dying 2x CD-R drive. > >  > >                       Zane > K > According to the raw data I was able to dump off of a Kodac Picture disk, J > they use MacToast to create theis ISO9660 CD.  It can't be read properlyK > on VMS so I wouldn't hold out much hope for it writing VMS formatted CDs.   F Mark Levy hasn't chimed in here, but I know he has used Toast on a MacD to dupe an ODS-2 CD. Don't know the tricks, though. Don't have a Mac myself.   C Personally, I like Gear for Windows, since I only have the one CD-R F drive. If I don't have to sell out the shop to survive the current jobG search, I may get another burner and get up to speed on CDRECORD on the  Alpha.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:35:50 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98 8 Message-ID: <kigleto3n5j1vaj0g3pls9ornlqjt9906i@4ax.com>  @ On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:27:37 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:   J >Adap-tick SLeazy CD Creator, I've been told, cannot be used to burn a VMSK >image without Adap-tick SLeazy CD Creator trying to impose ISO9660 format-  >ting.  F You were told right.  It has no truly "raw" write capability.  To foolF it, you can create a container disk with a minimal ISO image containedG in bad blocks(*) - as per the tmesis.com page :-)  The writing software : cares little about the extraneous 600Mb wrapped around it.  G (*) I have one with a small readme text file which advises users to get  a proper operating system.   	John  --  
 John Laird   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:54:01 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>! Subject: Re: Sync Comm - PCI Card ' Message-ID: <3AEB3BF7.76E0C32A@home.nl>    john nixon wrote:   M > I should have been a little more specific.  When I said the "software" only F > supports one card, I should have said that the SPD for SNA 2780/3780M > software  (which is not the only product I use, but is the primary one that L > uses the bisynch cards) specifies a maximum of 1 interface (2-8 ports) per	 > system.  > 0 > http://www.compaq.com/info/SP6457/SP6457PF.PDF > J > The only PBXDP variants available are the -AA (2 port) and the -AB (fourM > port).   There was at one time  -CA variant available, but it was listed as H > "ADP UNIQUE".  I don't know for sure, but I suspect that was a special( > device delivered to a single customer.  N The AC model is available. I just ordered 2 of them over here in Holland. They7 are just a little bit more expensive then the AB model.        >  > N > Even if something "might" work, or "should" work,  I cannot buy it unless itH > is "guaranteed by Compaq" to work.  It is bad enough when Compaq drops0 > support for something we already have working. > B > It is my understanding that the new boards will be OEMed by DIGIM > International  (www.digi.com) , and from what I have heard, there will only N > be the 2 and 4 port variants (or at least only those two to be qualified for > VMS) > M > If anyone has more up-to-date or contradictory information, I would love to  > hear from you. > - > "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message # > news:3AE98E86.5E75B36F@home.nl... M > > I think you're mistaken. The DS10 supports at least 2 PBXDP-AB cards with  > 4 @ > > ports each with VMS according to the supported options list. > > N > http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/options/asds10/asds10_19_48_options.html#O > ptListHead > > & > > So that would be 8 ports per DS10.J > > I can't imagine why it is stated that 2 cards are supported in VMS but
 > only one > > can be used ?1?  > > K > > But there is also the AC model with 8 ports. It is not mentioned in any 	 > options J > > list, but is it supported. So that would  make 16 ports. And I'm quite
 > sure youM > > could even put 3 of those boards in a DS10. So with a bit of luck you can  > get 24N > > sync ports on one DS10 ... Ask Compaq to make a statement, but as far as I > know > > it can be done.  > >  > > john nixon wrote:  > > L > > > I am glad you pointed that out.  I will be putting together a proposal > for D > > > an Alpha solution to replace our old MicroVAXes.  We have four
 > MicroVAXes,NL > > > each with six or 7  Q-Bus synch devices.  Since the softwaer for Alpha > onlyN > > > supports one synch PCIcard each, and each card only has up to 4 ports, IL > > > will need 7 DS10s to replace 4 MVAX 3600s.  (The hardware supports twoJ > > > cards, but the software only supports one).  I was planning on using	 > DS10Ls, K > > > but now I see that I will need to go with the somewhat more expensivep > DS10s.K > > > This is going to be expensive considering all the licenses (includingeM > > > cluster) etc... just to support  Bisynch.  (Cheaper than maintenance ona. > > > microvaxes, but expensive all the same). > > >OK > > > I heard that they will have an 8 or 16 port card, but it will only be- > for-K > > > Unix.  I  would    * * *  R E A L L Y  * * *  like to see this largerl > optionK > > > qualified on VMS.  I (and Compaq)  may lose this simple VAX-Alpha VMSaL > > > migration to a 3rd party solution if I have to put in 6 or 7 alphas to > > > replace 4 MVAXes.p > > >2J > > > Does anyone know, or can anyone find out, if there are plans to ever > qual( > > > the 8 or 16 port (PBXDD-*) on VMS? > > > < > > > <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageL > > > news:OFAC3B441B.C60A7362-ON03256A3B.00422EF7@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...M > > > > I discovered that the DS10L doesnt support theses boards for OpenVMS.o > Just > > > > the DS10 standard . . .  > > > >  > > > >  > > >tN > http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/options/asds10l/asds10l_19_48_options.html > > > #OptListHead > > > >e > > > > Regardsl > > > >  > > > >7
 > > > > FC > > > >2 > > > >, > > > >o > > > >rI > > > > "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com> em 27/04/2001 08:56:10  > > > >lD > > > > Favor responder a "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com> > > > >d > > > >  > > > >p# > > > >       Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come > > > >  > > > >o > > > >>) > > > > Assunto: Re: Sync Comm - PCI Carda > > > >> > > > >uL > > > > There are a couple of Sync boards available depending on the machine > typeN > > > > and the number of ports,  the PBXDP-AA or AB.  These are Emulex boardsN > > > > which I believe will EOL this year and then be replaced by a couple of > > > > others.t > > > >s > > > > Alan > > > > < > > > > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in articleK > > > > <OF04362B1C.1E69CBB6-ON03256A3B.003EC700@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>...AL > > > > > I remember DEC used to have a Synchronous Communications PCI card.F > > > > > At www.dnpg.com there is no information about.t his product.	 > > > > >d: > > > > > Do you know where can I get informations about ?	 > > > > >m > > > > > Regardsw	 > > > > >d > > > > > FC	 > > > > >e	 > > > > >  > > > >s > > > >e > > > >  > > > >  > > > >g > > > >o > > > >: > >  > >d   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:33:44 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>! Subject: Re: Sync Comm - PCI Card ? Message-ID: <srIG6.113914$fs3.18961412@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>I  K If I can get the eight port model  here in the States, and if it works withiL the latest software revs, it may be a little more expensive than a four portL board, or maybe even more than two 4 port boards, but it will most certainlyH be cheaper than another system to put it in, with vms licensese, cluster+ licenses, volume shadowing licenses etc....   1 Thanks.  I will poke around Compaq a little more.n  + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message-! news:3AEB3BF7.76E0C32A@home.nl...- snip > K > The AC model is available. I just ordered 2 of them over here in Holland.a They9 > are just a little bit more expensive then the AB model.- >- end snip   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:19:56 -04006 From: Ray <lists@aik.tec.sc.us>-0 Subject: vmsmail_profile.data corruption problem, Message-ID: <3AEB17DC.4DE9C9C@aik.tec.sc.us>  J The disk with my vmsmail_profile had problems Friday and I started gettingB an error writing to the data file when sending email to one user -  I I restored the data file from the last backup to the system disk, deletediJ the vmsmail_profile logical that pointed to the bad disk from the startup 8 and rebooted.  But still have the error with the backup ( vmsmail_profile.data. Full error below -  , %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user SMITHG -MAIL-W-WRITEERR, error writing SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATAI  -RMS-E-EOF, end of file detected  F Do I have to keep trying older backups until I find a good file?  WhatC does that do to other users?  Or is there a way to repair the file?uD Analy/disk/repair on the disk with the original file did not fix it.   Ray    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 23:55:56 +0100n% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> ; Subject: Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS?0* Message-ID: <3AEB4A7B.211E79D2@virgin.net>   Yi Jiang wrote:   K > Just try to find some information on Oracle website about Oracle Database K > for Open VMS. It seems that I cannot find any clue indicating support for M > Oracle Database on Open VMS. I am sure that Oracle Database is available on % > vms somewhere, maybe older version.e >t  L Now this is strange. I was going to answer platforms.oracle.com/compaq gives> you all the information but I just tried and got redirected to' partner.oracle.com with no explanation.s  N Ok let's do a search for OpenVMS I thought... But no that just brought up hitsO for RDB. What's going on? Have Oracle messed up their web site? If not then whyq? remove virtually all the information relating to Oracle on VMS?.  O In answer to you question most Oracle products are still available on VMS at orMN near to current Unix versions. However for some reason they don't seem to want, to admit that on the web site at the moment.   >9! > Any information on this matter?  >M > Yi   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.238 ************************