1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 30 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 240       Contents: Changing JBODs positions Re: Changing JBODs positions Re: Compaq and SSH Re: Compaq and SSH DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer5 Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer - Slightly OT - DTSS  HSG80s
 Re: HSG80s LPD/LPR printers on VMS  Re: LPD/LPR printers on VMS E Re: newsgroup manners (was: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%)  Re: Optical Drive for OpenVMS = Re: Reply before or after? (was: seeing escapes is believing) > Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98 Re: Samba vs NFSN Re: seeking performance numbers for distributed lock manager traffic via  FDDI- Speedup games, programs and get more FREE RAM C Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? (ask the Oracle) C Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? (ask the Oracle) C Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? (ask the Oracle)  Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ??' Re: [Fwd: RE: OpenVMS Hobbyist version]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:33:09 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br ! Subject: Changing JBODs positions L Message-ID: <OF490AB3D1.4A69CEC8-ON03256A3E.00084B8C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  I Today I tryed toi change a position of a DR disk and the Mylex controller  acused FAILED in both.   J My boot disk is DRB0 (JBOD), so I backuped (/image) it to the DRB1 (JBOD).H I changed their positions in the BA-200 and the disk was unable to boot.+ I remember I already did it .... Any idea ?    Regards    FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:29:46 GMT - From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com> % Subject: Re: Changing JBODs positions ( Message-ID: <3AECDC26.FAD6D736@home.com>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > K > Today I tryed toi change a position of a DR disk and the Mylex controller  > acused FAILED in both.  B 	You did not report what kind of controller or software versions, G but in my experience with backplane RAID controllers (the 210, EISA) in C an AlphaServer, I have found that even though you may configure the  disks toB be "plain, vanilla" drives, there is a header (i.e., "thumbprint")	 placed on D disks that they are JBOD and when you swap them, the "thumbprint" is wrong,A so the disk is assumed failed.  You will need to put them back or  re-init H them (probably not your first choice), or use the configure software for the H controller to have it reset it's configuration.  If I remember correctly (andH you had better check before trying this!) you can reconfig a JBOD set of disks = WITHOUT re-formatting them.  This would lay down a new set of 
 "thumbprints" # to make the controller happy again.   L > My boot disk is DRB0 (JBOD), so I backuped (/image) it to the DRB1 (JBOD).J > I changed their positions in the BA-200 and the disk was unable to boot.- > I remember I already did it .... Any idea ?    Rick   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:22:58 GMT - From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com>  Subject: Re: Compaq and SSH ( Message-ID: <3AECDA8F.D5808C1F@home.com>  5 Long follow-up.  My new comments are at the bottom...    David Webb wrote:  > D > In article <3AE9563C.613DE6A6@uiowa.edu>, Richard L. Dyson says... > >  > >Mitchell, David R. wrote: > >>O > >> It looks like Compaq has licensed secure shell for integration with Tru64.  > >>9 > >> http://www.ssh.com/about/press/2001/2001-04-10B.html  > >> > >> <snip>  > > H > >       Durning a recent teleconference sponsored by Compaq/OpenVMS (aN > >playback is available from the OpenVMS web page) I asked specifically aboutK > >SSH at the server and client level.  IMO, their answer was that they did F > >not think it was important to customers, but would be interested inJ > >hearing from customers if they were interested in getting SSH available, > >with the network products (DECnet/TCPIP). > >  > >       Let them know. :)  > O > I asked the VMS Engineers on the stand at Infosec and they said SSH version 2  > was in VMS 7.3. J > I haven't  seen the list of new features for VMS 7.3 but trust they were > telling me the truth.  > O > I had been asking for this at every opportunity for the last couple of years. < > Dave Jones' SSH server with OpenSSL is great but we reallyK > need a fully supported SSH server. Plus Dave Jones' server is only an SSH  > version 1 server.  > N > I also asked about Secure FTP and was assured that this was also in VMS 7.3. > O > (Note. SSH version 3 has only just been released so if SSH is in VMS 7.3 then 3 > they would not have had time to release a version  > 3 server). > O > It is possible they may not have provided an SSH client for VMS (I didn't ask < > explicitly about an SSH client) as that might be perceivedM > as less important to most customers. (Though I do not share that position).  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix  team leader  > CCSS > Middlesex University  H 	As Hunter Goatley pointed out in another follow-up, SSH would be in theE TCPIP stack, not OpenVMS.  And, it does not appear to be in the TCPIP A released with OpenVMS v7.3 (v5.1, I think).  The teleconference I  listened to was F about DECnet and TCPIP, up to and including IP v6 in TCPIP.  They told meC (the product managers) that SSH was not in the plans at the current , time, I assumed in the next planned release.   	I hope I heard wrong.  A 	Hoff, if you are reading this, do you know if any of the product C managers realize SSH should be here already and not just a possible  future option?  D 	With OpenVMS being important in the business, financial and health C fields, it seems silly not to be looking into providing a known and  trusted @ secure communication channel native to the communications stack.  B 	I believe that IPv6 has security "built-in", but most of us will / probably not be deploying it for a while yet...    Just my opinion!   Rick   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 04:16:00 GMT , From: "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com> Subject: Re: Compaq and SSH < Message-ID: <4G5H6.216213$wx.33347147@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  H In message <3aec2bea.222824003@swen.process.com>, goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) wrote: M > On Sun, 29 Apr 2001 10:58:24 GMT, David Webb <nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:  > >  .... > J > >I also asked about Secure FTP and was assured that this was also in VMS 7.3. > >  > It's not.  > J > I haven't seen the final V7.3 release yet, but was a field test site forH > it.  You can also check out the V7.3 feature list.  No mention of SSH. > I I asked about secure FTP at the DFWDays Tech Update and it seemed to be a K new idea to them, but one that they expressed interest in.  Seemed to think ! it wouldn't be much of a problem.    --  ) Jay E. Morris, System Software Specialist * Epidemiological Laboratory, Brooks AFB, TX@ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:47:38 +0930 / From: Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> % Subject: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer / Message-ID: <3AEC9302.6D4F4470@wasd.vsm.com.au>   E We were "forced" into a DECnet-IV to DECnet-Plus change-over (not the H deliberate avoidance of the the word "upgrade") over the weekend (mainly6 for DECnet-over-IP and DECnet routing issues on WANs).  @ After considerable hair-tearing (probably due to no training and@ constrained preparation) the only outstanding that we know aboutG (considering this is 07:00AM and nobody has started to use the clusters H yet) is a Digital PS17 PrintServer.  It was installed donkey's years agoF and has continued along without missing a beat for all those years (inC other words was installed once and then virtually forgotten about).   H We have configured the MOP and it reports VAXELN loaded when restarted. ! The queue is created OK and shows   .   ... on NODENAME::"DECNET/PS17A", mounted ...  ? I can see the host name PS17A is being resolved OK by using the B CDI$TRACE utility, so I don't think its a naming issue (it also is' listed by the DECNET_REGISTER utility).   $ But submitted jobs eventually report  )   %DCPS-W-NOT_READY, Printer is not ready ?   -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable    -DCPS-I-JOB_ID, ...   E The LPS supporting host and the PS17 are on the same LAN and have the  same area number.   H I did try substituting "LOCAL:.PS17A" for the destination node but to no avail.  5 It was working Saturday morning before the changover!   < Any suggestions? (you'd care to have archived by the Web ;^)  F On a related topic, we have no DTSS server on our site and all systemsB constantly commenting via OPCOM that there are too few servers outH there.  Again (and I know I could scurry through the documentation here,G but while I'm typing someone might have a one-line solution) any ideas?    As always, thanks in advance.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2001 19:45:16 -05007 From: hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) > Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer - Slightly OT - DTSS3 Message-ID: <FvZzVE4uSD3J@eisner.encompasserve.org>    Hi Mark,  O Can't speak to the main topic, but you have several ways to go with DTSS - I'll  just outline one:   3 If you know that you do not want to use DTSS, then:    o mcr ncl disable DTSS   o mcr nsl delete DTSS   6 o Put an "$exit" in the first line of DTSS$STARTUP.COM  Q As I said, there are other solutions, depending on whether or not you want to use + DTSS, either alone, or in concert with NTP.    --Brad  b >In article <3AEC9302.6D4F4470@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> writes: <snip>  H > On a related topic, we have no DTSS server on our site and all systemsD > constantly commenting via OPCOM that there are too few servers outJ > there.  Again (and I know I could scurry through the documentation here,I > but while I'm typing someone might have a one-line solution) any ideas?  >  > As always, thanks in advance.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:27:20 GMT & From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com> Subject: HSG80s ? Message-ID: <Yb3H6.123499$fs3.20147208@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>   L I have ordered my first pair of HSG80s.  We just installed the Fibre ChannelK adapters in our GS140 and will be connecting the HSG as soon as it arrives.   I In the meantime, I would like to do some advance reading so I know how to L configure them.  I am very familiar with HSJ40s and HSJ50s.  I am able to doG a SET HOST/DUP... and then issue commands to the HSJ (including running  CFMENU).  K How will I configure my stripe and mirror sets on the HSG?  Will it be like H the HSJs or will I need to learn some other method?  I am hoping I don'tJ have to have some damn M$oft NT box in the middle.  Maybe I haven't lookedI in the right place ,but I have not found this doucmentation on the Compaq 
 web site yet.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:08:29 -0700 ! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>  Subject: Re: HSG80s + Message-ID: <3AECF34D.D539596C@tmisnet.com>    HSG80 are more like HSZ70s  K Although it's not supported you can use the set host /scsi to the $1$GGAxxx M device.  You have to set up the CCL (Command Console LUN)  It is kinda flaky.   O There is also the SANscript product (we haven't used it yet).  Since we have 16 K of these we have connected the serial consoles to ConsoleWorks from Techsys D (spelling?)    Direct console access is what we use for most things.   Regards  Cass Witkowski   john nixon wrote:   N > I have ordered my first pair of HSG80s.  We just installed the Fibre ChannelM > adapters in our GS140 and will be connecting the HSG as soon as it arrives.  > K > In the meantime, I would like to do some advance reading so I know how to N > configure them.  I am very familiar with HSJ40s and HSJ50s.  I am able to doI > a SET HOST/DUP... and then issue commands to the HSJ (including running 
 > CFMENU). > M > How will I configure my stripe and mirror sets on the HSG?  Will it be like J > the HSJs or will I need to learn some other method?  I am hoping I don'tL > have to have some damn M$oft NT box in the middle.  Maybe I haven't lookedK > in the right place ,but I have not found this doucmentation on the Compaq  > web site yet.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:11:44 -0600  From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>   Subject: LPD/LPR printers on VMS' Message-ID: <3AEC9FB0.33A0A301@srv.net>   6 I need to have to set up a VAX 7.2-1 system to use two? HP printers (directly connected to the network), and it appears : that VMS will not allow an IP address for the network name: in the setup (it wants a name that it can run through DNS)  7 This setup is small enough (2 printers) that I'd prefer : something simplier than setting up and managing DNS on the9 VAX (something like /etc/hostname on Unix would be nice). < Is this possible, or do I have to go through setting up all 9 of the DNS tables just to be able to access two printers?   ; The system does not need to do lookups for any other reason > than accessing these two printers. These two printers are used< by several PC's running Windows, which doesn't use DNS names4 so the names don't need to be visible anywhere else.3 No other DNS server exists on this network segment.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:20:33 +1000 B From: "Matt Muggeridge" <Matt.Muggeridge@compaq.ssppaammffree.com>$ Subject: Re: LPD/LPR printers on VMS0 Message-ID: <Ig2H6.329$5I.6177@news.cpqcorp.net>  L You don't mention which TCP/IP product you use, but I expect they all behaveA similarly in this regard... the syntax is likely to be different.   B For TCP/IP Services, you can add hosts to the local database with:  H     TCPIP SET HOST "myhost.mydomain.com"/alias="myhost"/address=10.0.0.1  " To remove the host use SET NOHOST.   Matt.   , "Kevin Handy" <kth@srv.net> wrote in message! news:3AEC9FB0.33A0A301@srv.net... 8 > I need to have to set up a VAX 7.2-1 system to use twoA > HP printers (directly connected to the network), and it appears < > that VMS will not allow an IP address for the network name< > in the setup (it wants a name that it can run through DNS) > 9 > This setup is small enough (2 printers) that I'd prefer < > something simplier than setting up and managing DNS on the; > VAX (something like /etc/hostname on Unix would be nice). = > Is this possible, or do I have to go through setting up all ; > of the DNS tables just to be able to access two printers?  > = > The system does not need to do lookups for any other reason @ > than accessing these two printers. These two printers are used> > by several PC's running Windows, which doesn't use DNS names6 > so the names don't need to be visible anywhere else.5 > No other DNS server exists on this network segment.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:41:50 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> N Subject: Re: newsgroup manners (was: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%), Message-ID: <3AECC2DE.31B3D6B3@infopuls.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > p > In article <3GJZVTREJtgi@tachxxsoftxxconsult>, wayne@tachysoft.xxx.065234.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell) writes:_ > > In article <3AE87870.EE6B82F7@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > >> John Eisenschmidt wrote:  > >>> J > >>> Christ, I don't know which is sadder: The software or the people who > >>> make it. > >> [snip]  > >>> For god sakes  > >>H > >> Just my opinion, mind you, but I do take umbrage to such use of theM > >> Lord's name(s) in vain. Other folks react badly to obscenities and other " > >> profanities. Watcha gonna do? > >> > > R > > Personally, I don't think religion belongs in a technical forum in *any* form,Q > > pro or con.  I find religious quotes in sigs, such as those found in posts by K > > that speakeasy guy, to be every bit as offensive as you find the above.  >  > I agree with Wayne.    Me too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 03:10:49 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> & Subject: Re: Optical Drive for OpenVMS, Message-ID: <3AECBB99.3A5369D9@infopuls.com>   Chuck McCrobie wrote:o  @ Sorry for asking in this NG - but I had some major problems with the usdesign.com web site.  My browser doesn't accept flash.> Since I'm interested in high capacity MO drives I selected the; hardware products section and clicked on the "QT9100 9.1 GBe@ 5.25" Standalone Optical Drive" but received error message "xpdf? not found" supposedly because my browser doesn't have installed 8 the X11 PDF plugin (although acroread is installed on my system).  > Simple question, as this product seams exacly what I'm looking> for: what does the drive cost and what price is the medium and  are these deliverable to Europe?   TIA    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 04:35:33 +0200 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>eF Subject: Re: Reply before or after? (was: seeing escapes is believing), Message-ID: <3AECCF75.71799C72@infopuls.com>  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote:   [SNIP]  Q > +If there is a better reason or an habit or any other etiquette-based reason to-9 > +post replies *after* the original text, I will change.3 > & > AFAIR that was a standard in past :)  ; Is there anything wrong with intermixing request and reply?4   [SNIP]  ; I suggest to use ">" as an indicator where the lines of ther? request are. This is the normal "request indication" character. 7 AFAIK there is only one person from several NGs I visits? regularly who uses a different character. It would be easier toi1 read the posts if only the ">" character is used..   >  > --G > =====================================================================-H > $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") -' >                 THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEC0 > $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plG > =====================================================================a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:08:16 +0100c; From: Malcolm MacArthur <malcolmm@rustic-place.demon.co.uk>rG Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98n7 Message-ID: <3AEC9EE0.A092055@rustic-place.demon.co.uk>d   Anthony J Mullen wrote:o >  > Hey -  > H > Here I am again.  I'm attempting to make a copy of an OpenVMS-readable > CD.o >  > The process I'm using is;w > $mount/foreign/noassist <dev>t > $copy <dev> <file>.iso > $ftp <win98 machine> > ftp>binary > ftp>send <file>.isoi > win98>burn-a-cdn > B > I've tried a couple different options, and I've created a couple > different unreadable cds.i [...]n  B To copy my VMS installation CDROMS (hobbyist licence...), I used a program calledF CDRWIN on a Windoze PC. It has the ability to do perfect binary copies	 of disks.w3 It was relatively inexpensive, IIRC, about $50-ish.y  G It will work in evaluation mode at single speed. I wouldn't like to try  copyingD- the whole VMS distribution at single-speed...n  F I think that what you are creating from the commands above is a binary image - an ISOE image contains a "header" which describes the track layout of the CD,  etc. CDRWIN getsE round this problem by creating a .BIN image of the CD and a .CUE file  which lists the F size in blocks and position of the tracks. This is why it can copy VMS CDs and Easy CD  Creator can't...  9 A good resource for information about such matters is the  comp.publish.cd-recordable FAQ.   	 -Malcolm.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 04:28:28 +0200>) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>2 Subject: Re: Samba vs NFS>+ Message-ID: <3AECCDCC.C19126B@infopuls.com>l   Lee Y T Mah wrote: > I > I would like to implement TCPWARE's NFS module to transfer data betweeneI > several Windows 98 machines and a VMS/Alpha production cluster.  It hassC > been suggested that SAMBA (E.g., V2.0.3 or higher) may be able touI > perform the same function.  Has anyone had experience doing this?  What # > are the con's and pro's?  Thanks.  >  > -- > Lee(  9 One main difference between SAMBA as an SMB server for M$s> clients compared to *any* NFS server is that with NFS you need= NFS client SW on every client. Installing SAMBA on the servere= will slow down the server while installing NFS client SW willu? slow down the clients. Basically SMB seems to be more efficienth= for transfering files, but newer NFS implementations offer to : use UDP which will speed up things a little bit. SMB is no; protocoll but is described/defined as a set of commands and = functions no server ever will implement completely. Using SMB ? based services is almost always related with strange effects ofe; sometimes getting access to the server, sometimes not, handv? having difficulties to find out why. NFS, OTH, is a clean, wellb7 known and for a long time established and in use (open)d	 protocol.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:19:16 GMTo& From: "john nixon" <jnixon@cfl.rr.com>W Subject: Re: seeking performance numbers for distributed lock manager traffic via  FDDIe? Message-ID: <o43H6.123468$fs3.20138821@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>w  I Could you by chance be having a disk IO problem?  What are your direct IOtL rates and throughput rates?  I assume your four network devices  (2 ethernet7 and 2 fddi) are connected to four separate subnetworks.   J We have a cluster with a GS140 (4 cipcas) and three VAX 7860s (four CIXCDsI each);  all connected to four star couplers with 10 HSJ50s (configured aseK dual redundant with 128MB cache and write back caching turned on).   We areoJ only serving around 300 GBytes (after shadowing; 600 GB before shadowing -I about 150 RZ29s).  We manage to keep our CIs and star couplers busy doingbI around 2,000 IOs per second average throughout the day.  Thruput averagestH around 20 MB/second.  We frequently see performance problems during busyK periods when we are busier than usual. We are load balanced across all fouruH stars as well as possible, but one CI or the other will always be busier than the rest).   I If you have 1TB after HBVS (2TB physical), and only 2 star couplers and 2 I CIs, you could easily be saturating the CIs or HSJ50s (how many HSJ50s do L you have?)  Your GS140s can crank out a heck of a lot more IOs than my VAXesL can?  If you successfully moved your scs traffic from CI to FDDI, that wouldK account for some of the improvement you saw, (and also strengthen my theoryoA that your CIs are saturated).  But afaik,  the CI will still takes2 prescedence over FDDI for network and scs traffic.  L We are moving to Alpha and will be swapping our CI storage for Fibre Channel3 storage to try to reduce disk subsystem saturation.u  ? "Andreas Stiller" <Andreas.Stiller@netsurf.de> wrote in messageF$ news:3AEA6A55.BBCAB193@netsurf.de... > Hello, >tH > the site i have to monitor has performance problems connected with theI > distributed lock manager. There is a slight chance that this is relatedlG > with HW-setup of the cluster communication medium we use (FDDI). So ioI > search for some numbers from other sites. Currently Compaq-support seeswD > no need to investigate, but they could'nt explain me their resist. >  > 1) The conditions:  > Cluster of 3 GS140 6/700, each: >   OpenVMS 7.2-1H1 (patches applied up to start of April) >   4 CPU, 16 GB memoryF
 >   2 * CIPCAo >   2 * FDDI >   2 * Ethernet >EI > The CI has two star coupler. The disk farm use HSJ50 with write caches.h6 > The disk size is ca. 1TB after host based shadowing. >-H > The cluster communication use one of the FDDI. This device is reservedG > for this purpose. The load is a customer care and billing applicationa > with:t > 2 > Oracle RDB 7.0-5, the DB has a size of ca. 400GB@ > ca. 900 interactive user accessing the DB from all three nodes >  >  > 2) The performance problem:o >nH > RDB acquires an internal lock (so called SEQBLK) exclusivly during theJ > start of every read-only transaction. After the lock is acquired a blockB > of the DB's rootfile is read, then the lock is released. This isC > independent of any application code. That means any delay in this,% > process can delay all of the users.  >7G > Exactly this is one of the main problems at this site. The peak stall J > time coming from this lock are up to 1s (averaged over some time and allD > transactions). It was really bad using CI as cluster-communicationC > medium. After switching to FDDI it became much better. Now we areeJ > running with averages of 0.1 - 0.3 s for this lock. This could be betterH > (i hope). At no time we had performance problems with the rootfile. ItD > is a ramdisk with write-back cache and feels no stress at all. TheI > perf-problems correlates with RWSCS wait states also. (lock-remastering E > is switched off). The credit waits are increasing slowly veen afterD > incressing CLUSTER_REDITS. >sH > The "bad feeling" inside the application starts with 9000 ENQ/DEQ rateG > shown with MON CLUSTER and is strongly correlated with stalls on this  > lock (SEQBLK)i >s >o > 3) Now the questions:s >tG > A) Does anybody have roughly the same configuration ? If yes, what is-( > the ENQ/DEQ rate you can run happily ?G > That means what DEQ/ENQ rate (to a remote node) of a GS-class machineR > can be achieved ?1 >rJ > B) With ANAL/SYS, SHO PORT, SHO PORT/ADDR=PE_PDT, SHO PORT /VC=VC_'node'G > one can measure roundtrip times for the cluster communication channelaI > (here FDDI) to a remote node. I can see fast changing numbers of 1 - 10oI > ms here. Is this a good value ? What does this number mean exactly ? ItS > seems very large to me.h >iG > In the presentation "Monitoring and Controlling the VMS Lock Manager"e >nL (http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/decus_presentations/s2000_lockmgr.ppt)I > numbers are shown for a enq/deq round trip using CI: 400-500 usec.  TheiH > slides shows numbers of 200usec for FDDI+Gigaswitch. So FDDI should be) > faster than 1ms in all cases, i assume.s >eG > Is this contradiction sufficient to insist on an investigation of the E > complete FDDI-ring and the switch used ? (sorry i don't know the HWr) > setup for the FDDI, but its all Compaq)v > ) > Thanks for the patience reading so far,w	 > Andreas  >a   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 18:00:56 +0000 (UTC)  From: Jhon12@hotmail.com6 Subject: Speedup games, programs and get more FREE RAM0 Message-ID: <9chkso$2i88$2930@news.kabelfoon.nl>  K I found this cool program you can download it from: www.applicationwarp.come   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 13:44:27 -0600 (MDT)m" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com>L Subject: Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? (ask the Oracle)G Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0104291338080.28654-100000@athena.csdco.com>    Alan,J  6 Oracle does seem to have trouble with its web sites :)  N "Learn about Platform Technology Partnerships" under http://partner.oracle.comI brings up a menu which will eventually get to the formerly easier to findN- information on what they have running on VMS.n  
 John Nebel  & On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Alan Greig wrote:   >  >  > Yi Jiang wrote:t > M > > Just try to find some information on Oracle website about Oracle DatabasemM > > for Open VMS. It seems that I cannot find any clue indicating support for9O > > Oracle Database on Open VMS. I am sure that Oracle Database is available ono' > > vms somewhere, maybe older version.A > >  > N > Now this is strange. I was going to answer platforms.oracle.com/compaq gives@ > you all the information but I just tried and got redirected to) > partner.oracle.com with no explanation.e > P > Ok let's do a search for OpenVMS I thought... But no that just brought up hitsQ > for RDB. What's going on? Have Oracle messed up their web site? If not then why A > remove virtually all the information relating to Oracle on VMS?b > Q > In answer to you question most Oracle products are still available on VMS at orsP > near to current Unix versions. However for some reason they don't seem to want. > to admit that on the web site at the moment. >  > > # > > Any information on this matter?T > >. > > Yi >  > -- > Alan Greig >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2001 17:40:42 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)IL Subject: Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? (ask the Oracle)3 Message-ID: <bjsGOpYNpvsR@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  l In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0104291338080.28654-100000@athena.csdco.com>, John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> writes: >  > Alan,- > 8 > Oracle does seem to have trouble with its web sites :) > P > "Learn about Platform Technology Partnerships" under http://partner.oracle.comK > brings up a menu which will eventually get to the formerly easier to findr/ > information on what they have running on VMS.e  H Anyone concerned with security need not bother.  With a secured browser,# that URL leads to a page that says:h  2 	"JavaScript Not enabled or not allowed by Proxy."  ) Yes ?  Tell me something I _don't_ know !t  E Does it occur to these people that if the potential customer disabled ( JavaScript there was a _reason_ for it ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 17:55:55 -0400a' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>oL Subject: Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? (ask the Oracle)( Message-ID: <9ci2jm$b0i$1@pyrite.mv.net>  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:bjsGOpYNpvsR@eisner.encompasserve.org...eI > In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0104291338080.28654-100000@athena.csdco.com>,e$ John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> writes: > >M	 > > Alan,d > >M: > > Oracle does seem to have trouble with its web sites :) > >i8 > > "Learn about Platform Technology Partnerships" under http://partner.oracle.comhH > > brings up a menu which will eventually get to the formerly easier to find1 > > information on what they have running on VMS.  >/J > Anyone concerned with security need not bother.  With a secured browser,% > that URL leads to a page that says:t >d3 > "JavaScript Not enabled or not allowed by Proxy."  >a+ > Yes ?  Tell me something I _don't_ know !m >aG > Does it occur to these people that if the potential customer disabled7* > JavaScript there was a _reason_ for it ?  L They may just figure that any potential customer who is concerned about suchK matters but lacks the wherewithal and/or ingenuity to dedicate an unsecured @ (and isolated) PC to such activities isn't worth bothering with.   - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Apr 2001 15:20:25 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)s# Subject: Re: Windows-XP on Alpha ??r3 Message-ID: <1QBx+UeWkDDw@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  c In article <9cgula$du0$1@venus.telepac.pt>, "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> writes:n > H > "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message/ > news:grmEJntZG5aR@eisner.encompasserve.org...oK >> In article <3AEBEC48.4674D23B@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:sM >> > I've heard several rumours there will be a Windows-XP version for Alpha.,2 >> > Does anyone have any information about this ? >> >M >> > The return of Windows to Alpha can be a very good thing for Compaq & the B >> > Alpha processor, if only to break the hegemony of Intel classE >> > processors. But of course there has to be a sufficient amount of,8 >> > software for Win-XP on Alpha to be able to do this. >>F >> Therefore the idea of a Microsoft operating system running on AlphaC >> (like before) is totally worthless, even if you _like_ Microsoft  >> operating systems.n >>H >> The only thing that would please _any_ of the Alpha fans who are alsoG >> Microsoft fans (probably none in this group) is if Microsoft were totG >> keep all their applications current on Alpha.  Since on the previousrI >> go-round Microsoft did not even try, I think people should just forget ( >> about the idea of Microsoft on Alpha. > = > Not if they were to port the .NET virtual machine to alpha!   E No offense, but that certainly sounds like a statement from MicrosofthF Marketing (aside from the fact that they are not interested in Alpha).    	1. I do not believe in "magic".B 	2. I do not believe Microsoft "science" is sufficiently advanced.B 	3. I do not believe Microsoft can keep their eye on the ball longB 	   enough to make anything genuinely useful.  They were promoting@ 	   something different (COM) 5 years ago, and suckered DEC intoA 	   adding it to VMS.  Instead of all that, they should be fixingo> 	   the security holes they introduced with Microsoft Word V6.  N ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 02:18:09 +0200p) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>w0 Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: OpenVMS Hobbyist version], Message-ID: <3AECAF41.C516EF87@infopuls.com>  6 It is to announce that Mr Everhart is an excellent and> invaluable member of the VMS community. He participates in (at= least) the comp.os.vms NG by sharing his incredible knowledgee; mostly about disk drivers and most important he writes veryt helpful drivers/utiltities.:   Great work! Many thanks!   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.240 ************************