1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 30 Apr 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 241       Contents:$ ANN: Concerto App Server for OpenVMS Cables and connectors  Re: Cables and connectors  Re: Changing JBODs positions Re: Changing JBODs positions# Re: Changing UIC of running process  DEC-C: calculated constants.  RE: DEC-C: calculated constants.  Re: DEC-C: calculated constants.  RE: DEC-C: calculated constants.  Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 PrinterG Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame  Heroix eQ Management Suite How to change file timestamp
 Re: HSG80s
 Re: HSG80s
 RE: HSG80s InfoServer and LAD Protocol  Re: InfoServer and LAD Protocol  Re: InfoServer and LAD Protocol  Re: Limit on telnet sessions. . Re: Main production system crashed - continued mozilla .81 / Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!  Re: Process memory-usage on VMS > Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98> Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98P Re: seeking performance numbers for distributed lock manager traffic via FDDI FD source code tracking software ! Re: source code tracking software ! Re: source code tracking software ! Re: source code tracking software ! Re: source code tracking software ! Re: source code tracking software ! Re: source code tracking software ! Re: source code tracking software ! Re: source code tracking software ) Re: Warning - Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition 1 Re: Warning: EV68/833 and Oracle Rdb incompatible 1 Re: Warning: EV68/833 and Oracle Rdb incompatible C Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? (ask the Oracle) 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 RE: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 RE: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 RE: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% 5 Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:39:17 +0100 / From: "Will Sheward" <will.sheward@xoology.com> - Subject: ANN: Concerto App Server for OpenVMS 0 Message-ID: <9cjpqe$m3n@relay1.northgate-is.com>  I Xoology software are pleased to announce the availability of the recently G released Concerto Java/JavaScript/XML application server on the OpenVMS 	 platform.   J Recently seen on the Compaq stand at CeBit in Hanover, Concerto simplifiesF and accelerates the development and deployment of scaleable e-businessI applications, enabling OpenVMS users to effectively leverage the value of  existing applications.  E More information on Concerto is available at www.xoology.com. A trial L version of Concerto for OpenVMS can be obtained by contacting Bob Andrews on bob.andrews@xoology.com   G Concerto delivers the latest e-business technologies in an easy-to-use, G integrated package and allows the combination of Java and JavaScript to J significantly lower the resource costs of application development. As wellH as being easier to use the environment provides a powerful tool-set that6 enables rapid prototyping and deployment of solutions.   Will Sheward Marketing Manager  Xoology Software.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:20:11 -0400 * From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> Subject: Cables and connectors- Message-ID: <3AED203B.5885.C182E82@localhost>   D I written up what I know about cables and connectors, especially on 7 DEC adapters and MMJ connectors.  Comments are welcome!    http://www.stanq.com/cable.html      --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:31:11 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br " Subject: Re: Cables and connectorsL Message-ID: <OFCED65A4D.4B095BA8-ON03256A3E.0044A695@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  D With all these informations regarding DEC, Compaq, OpenVMS, Hardware spreadedK over internet, should be interesting to create a "portal"  to join/link all  these sites ...    Regards    FC        ; "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> em 30/04/2001 09:20:11   6 Favor responder a "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com>             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com        Assunto: Cables and connectors    C I written up what I know about cables and connectors, especially on 7 DEC adapters and MMJ connectors.  Comments are welcome!    http://www.stanq.com/cable.html      --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:20:15 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br % Subject: Re: Changing JBODs positions L Message-ID: <OF1119A492.B6FB4EE2-ON03256A3E.003DC72A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Richard   A The  controller is a SWXCR (Mylex DAC 960). It is connected in an  Alphaserver 4100 5/600. ? I am not sure about the firmware version: I believe it is 2.43.      Regards   
 Fabio Cardoso         > "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com> em 30/04/2001 00:29:46  9 Favor responder a "Richard L. Dyson" <rickdyson@home.com>              Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       % Assunto: Re: Changing JBODs positions     * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > K > Today I tryed toi change a position of a DR disk and the Mylex controller  > acused FAILED in both.  E      You did not report what kind of controller or software versions, G but in my experience with backplane RAID controllers (the 210, EISA) in C an AlphaServer, I have found that even though you may configure the  disks toB be "plain, vanilla" drives, there is a header (i.e., "thumbprint")	 placed on D disks that they are JBOD and when you swap them, the "thumbprint" is wrong,A so the disk is assumed failed.  You will need to put them back or  re-init H them (probably not your first choice), or use the configure software for the H controller to have it reset it's configuration.  If I remember correctly (andH you had better check before trying this!) you can reconfig a JBOD set of disks = WITHOUT re-formatting them.  This would lay down a new set of 
 "thumbprints" # to make the controller happy again.   D > My boot disk is DRB0 (JBOD), so I backuped (/image) it to the DRB1 (JBOD). J > I changed their positions in the BA-200 and the disk was unable to boot.- > I remember I already did it .... Any idea ?    Rick   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:31:10 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>% Subject: Re: Changing JBODs positions I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0104301527400.4966-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   , On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Richard L. Dyson wrote:  + +fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  +>  L +> Today I tryed toi change a position of a DR disk and the Mylex controller +> acused FAILED in both.  [...] D +an AlphaServer, I have found that even though you may configure the	 +disks to C +be "plain, vanilla" drives, there is a header (i.e., "thumbprint") 
 +placed onE +disks that they are JBOD and when you swap them, the "thumbprint" is  +wrong, B +so the disk is assumed failed.  You will need to put them back or +re-initI +them (probably not your first choice), or use the configure software for  +the0 +controller to have it reset it's configuration.  : AFAIR (have not a Mylex on-hand) in the configuration menu9 is available a command where allows something like "force ; the disk be used as properly configured". May be "logically = hidden" in submenu like "utilities" or something... Excuse me : that without access to the menu I can not be more specific7 but check what you see :) (except RTFM, of courese ;)!)     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2001 08:30:52 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Changing UIC of running process3 Message-ID: <iA5DS2yV515G@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <howard-349F8A.19005927042001@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes: > Q > Changing the UIC won't change privs or anything else.  It's mainly only useful  P > for resource security reasons.  That is, the USERNAME will stay the same, the Q > priv masks will not change, the logicals will not change, the LOGIN.COM of the  Q > target user will not be run.  If any of this is important, you should probably   > look at some other method.  F And the group logical name table won't change.  One of the reasons SETB UIC was originally provided was to allow privieged users to accessG different group logical names.  Long since it's been necessary to alter & LNM$GROUP or use the /table qualifier.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:09:21 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: DEC-C: calculated constants. , Message-ID: <3AED71F1.7BA66A47@videotron.ca>  L I need to have a variable that is used by a subroutine in C which contains a calculated value such as   ) double COS90 = cos( M_PI / 180.0 * 90.0 )   G This generates a near 0 value which I need to test against evertime the N subroutine is called. So I don't want to calculate it everytime the routine isJ called. And that value will depend on the hardware the machine runs on (as) well as the definition/accuracy of M_PI).   J Do I need to write a  "COS90_init()" routine that calculates the value andN stores it in a global variable used by the other routines, or would there be aM way to have that constant automatically calculated during image activation or ) perhaps stored/calculated by the linker ?   M I would prefer if I didn't need to call some sort of init routine. Is there a  better way ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:38:44 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> ) Subject: RE: DEC-C: calculated constants. 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEKICHAA.tom@kednos.com>   3 Why not initialize a static storage class variable?    > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]& > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:09 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ' > Subject: DEC-C: calculated constants.  >  > C > I need to have a variable that is used by a subroutine in C which  > contains a > calculated value	 > such as  > + > double COS90 = cos( M_PI / 180.0 * 90.0 )  > I > This generates a near 0 value which I need to test against evertime the A > subroutine is called. So I don't want to calculate it everytime  > the routine isL > called. And that value will depend on the hardware the machine runs on (as+ > well as the definition/accuracy of M_PI).  > L > Do I need to write a  "COS90_init()" routine that calculates the value and? > stores it in a global variable used by the other routines, or  > would there be aA > way to have that constant automatically calculated during image  > activation or + > perhaps stored/calculated by the linker ?  > ; > I would prefer if I didn't need to call some sort of init  > routine. Is there a  > better way ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:09:10 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ) Subject: Re: DEC-C: calculated constants. , Message-ID: <3AED8E23.880C735D@videotron.ca>   Tom Linden wrote:  > 5 > Why not initialize a static storage class variable?   - > > double COS90 = cos( M_PI / 180.0 * 90.0 )    How do you do that ?  E DEC-C complains that cos(zzz) isn't a constant.  When you do a static I variable, isn't the value calculated by the compiler so any access to the - C-rtl would not be possible at compile time ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:39 -0700 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com> ) Subject: RE: DEC-C: calculated constants. 9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIOEKOCHAA.tom@kednos.com>   H Another good reason to use PL/I instead of C!  Sorry, I forgot about the deficiencies of the C compiler.    > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]& > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:09 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com + > Subject: Re: DEC-C: calculated constants.  >  >  > Tom Linden wrote:  > > 7 > > Why not initialize a static storage class variable?  > / > > > double COS90 = cos( M_PI / 180.0 * 90.0 )  >  > How do you do that ? > G > DEC-C complains that cos(zzz) isn't a constant.  When you do a static K > variable, isn't the value calculated by the compiler so any access to the / > C-rtl would not be possible at compile time ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:11:25 -0400 0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)) Subject: Re: DECnet-Plus and PS17 Printer P Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-3004011011250001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  ; In article <3AEC9302.6D4F4470@wasd.vsm.com.au>, Mark Daniel $ <Mark.Daniel@wasd.vsm.com.au> wrote:  I > We have configured the MOP and it reports VAXELN loaded when restarted.   I Does the PrintServer 17 printer show Ready on its front panel, indicating  it completed its boot process?  A > I can see the host name PS17A is being resolved OK by using the D > CDI$TRACE utility, so I don't think its a naming issue (it also is) > listed by the DECNET_REGISTER utility).  > & > But submitted jobs eventually report) > %DCPS-W-NOT_READY, Printer is not ready ? > -SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable   F When do you see the node name resolution with CDI$TRACE?  Is it when aI print job starts or are you doing something like SET HOST PS17A, which of F course will fail with "network object unknown at remote node" but thatC error message will indicate at least that the printer is available.    Paul   --  
 Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:31:38 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> P Subject: Re: Hackers crack challenge within 24 hours, and Solaris gets the blame) Message-ID: <3AED4D19.937E1341@gtech.com>    Arne Vajhj wrote: > andrew harrison wrote:% > > OpenVMS is also not secure unless - > > patched. Timely patching and notification / > > of patches is just as important for OpenVMS  > > as it is for any other OS. > > . > > If you havn't bothered following the patch- > > paper chase for OpenVMS then your systems - > > are as vunerable as the Solaris for Intel  > > box was. >  > ???? > / > Would you care to post the following 3 lists: . >   - security related patches for Solaris 2.62 >   - security related patches for Solaris 2.7 / 72 >   - security related patches for Solaris 2.8 / 8 > ! > And then we create the 3 lists: ) >   -security related patches for VMS 6.2 ) >   -security related patches for VMS 7.1V) >   -security related patches for VMS 7.2  > 3 > Then we have some solid information for comparinga > vulnerability. > 2 > If you do not post those lists, then we wil just5 > have to conclude that you share our conviction that ! > VMS is much safer than Solaris.   > I hope that everyone has toticed now 3 days after, that AndrewA has bees so busy replying to other posts that he have not had the  time to create thos elists.c   :-)e   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:28:58 -0300o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br8# Subject: Heroix eQ Management SuiteoL Message-ID: <OF3DA6F471.F0E0B3B9-ON03256A3E.0054E8F3@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  E Heroix, launched a new management product which can manage W2K, Unix,u OpenVMS :-)8  , http://www.heroix.com/products/detail_eQ.htm   Regardsr   FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:26:03 GMTc' From: rreffner@cstone.net (Rob Reffner)O% Subject: How to change file timestampi/ Message-ID: <3aed9195.15849519@news.cstone.net>n   All-  E  Is it possible to change the date/time attribute of a file? I have aFD situation where i have certain text files that I need to modify fromA time to time but I would like to either change the newest versionsC time/date to the original version or carry the date/time forward tog9 the newest version. Is this possible to do fairly easily?c   Thanks in advance,     Robr   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:48:49 GMTe+ From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>l Subject: Re: HSG80s/< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0104292325400.1426-100000@jaipur>  & On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, john nixon wrote:N > I have ordered my first pair of HSG80s.  We just installed the Fibre ChannelM > adapters in our GS140 and will be connecting the HSG as soon as it arrives.s  ? Have fun... them suckers are faaaaast.  At least that's been my I experience.  We were having I/O and locking performance problems with ourdG CI cluster with 8400 series Alphas.  We upgraded to memory channel plusoH FC.  The FC disks are significantly faster than the HSJ disks.  Hope you= got plenty of cache for the HSGs.  The more cache the better.:  H We're getting about 10x better performance on our new HSG disks comparedH to 10K RPM disks on the HSJ50.  And about 4x better improvement compared7 to our solid state disk on the HSJ50.  I'm not kidding.0  G We got the 15K RPM disks for the FC rack.  But the cache on the HSGs is%: making sure they aren't getting hit that much in our case.  K > In the meantime, I would like to do some advance reading so I know how to N > configure them.  I am very familiar with HSJ40s and HSJ50s.  I am able to doI > a SET HOST/DUP... and then issue commands to the HSJ (including running-
 > CFMENU).  I There is a program called HSZTERM that will allow you to SET HOST/SCSI to I the HSG controller pairs.  Works pretty much the same.  You can do eithereC SET HOST/SCSI $1$GGA1: or something like SET HOST/SCSI $1$DGA2: (oro whatever your disk is called).  M > How will I configure my stripe and mirror sets on the HSG?  Will it be likepJ > the HSJs or will I need to learn some other method?  I am hoping I don'tL > have to have some damn M$oft NT box in the middle.  Maybe I haven't lookedK > in the right place ,but I have not found this doucmentation on the Compaqs > web site yet.e  D Assuming you ordered firmware that's capable or it (and I assume allJ different variations are), the controllers will do stripesets, mirrorsets,I or RAID 5 sets.  We're using host-based shadowing to RAID 0+1 sets across   FC cabinets to our hotest disks.  D Combined with the locking speed improvements going from CI to memoryH channel, we're getting about 10x better file system performance compared7 to what we were getting from HSJ50 controllers.  Sweet.s  D The only word or warning I have is to make sure you have VMS 7.2-1h1J installed plus all of the patches associated with shadowing and FC.  WhileJ setting up FC shadowsets on our backup site, a shadowing problem cause allH of the machines in the cluster to crash!  At least the ones that had theE FC shadowset mounted.  Apparently the fix was in a shadowing patch wetJ hadn't installed yet.  This new FC stuff gives real performance boosts but: can be flakey if you don't have all the patches installed.  G Also, we had some stability issues with one of the FC switches that waslG installed at one of our sites.  It turned out to be a bad port.  But itnH took a couple days to track down the problem.  And another week to get a' new switch after the problem was found.-  J We've been using FC disks for our production databases for a couple months3 now.  The production site hasn't had a problem yet.n  G I went to an all-day FC configuration seminar at CETS2000.  It was wellsF worth the time since it taught me about all the ins and outs of what'sJ possible with FC.  If you have a chance to get some training it'll be wellD worth it since FC has a whole new set of rules compared to CI.  TheyH configured storage to present to an NT box and a VMS box together on the same FC fabric.u   -Ryana   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 06:50:14 GMTn+ From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>o Subject: Re: HSG80so< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.31.0104292349050.1426-100000@jaipur>  & On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, john nixon wrote:K > In the meantime, I would like to do some advance reading so I know how to6N > configure them.  I am very familiar with HSJ40s and HSJ50s.  I am able to doI > a SET HOST/DUP... and then issue commands to the HSJ (including running-
 > CFMENU).  C Oh yeah... if you want to do some reading in advance, the HSG80 CLIp$ reference in available on the web...  T http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/techdoc/raidstorage/EK-HSG85-RG-A01.html   -Ryans   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:56:51 -0500o+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>m Subject: RE: HSG80siR Message-ID: <DC4745D1A85CA04180C83CDC706A9D180B2B8B@cthexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net>   John,y  L Fyi, the OpenVMS SAN web page has been updated quite a bit recently. You mayE want to ensure you review the info on these web pages as part of your 	 planning:R6 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/fibre/index.html   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesx Voice: 613-592-4660d Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----+ From: john nixon [mailto:jnixon@cfl.rr.com]A Sent: April 29, 2001 9:27 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come Subject: HSG80st    L I have ordered my first pair of HSG80s.  We just installed the Fibre ChannelK adapters in our GS140 and will be connecting the HSG as soon as it arrives.w  I In the meantime, I would like to do some advance reading so I know how tolL configure them.  I am very familiar with HSJ40s and HSJ50s.  I am able to doG a SET HOST/DUP... and then issue commands to the HSJ (including runningc CFMENU).  K How will I configure my stripe and mirror sets on the HSG?  Will it be likeoH the HSJs or will I need to learn some other method?  I am hoping I don'tJ have to have some damn M$oft NT box in the middle.  Maybe I haven't lookedI in the right place ,but I have not found this doucmentation on the Compaq1
 web site yet.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:44:21 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)$ Subject: InfoServer and LAD Protocol0 Message-ID: <9TeH6.341$5I.6763@news.cpqcorp.net>  <   Since I have been receiving various email on this topic...  @   There is a rather low likelyhood that OpenVMS Engineering will?   develop (and even less likelyhood of support of) LAD clients c#   for platforms other than OpenVMS.@  H   AFAIK, there are no plans to release LAD/LAST protocol specifications.  C   AFAIK, there are no plans to release LAD/LAST client source code..  G   LAD/LAST was a licensed protocol.   I do not know the present status dF   nor the present availability of licenses, nor have I looked for the H   contact for licensing LAD/LAST.  (If I were to seek this information, >   I might first try asking the Digital Network Products Group    (www.dnpg.com) folks.)  E   If you want an arbitary block-services protocol, please use nfs or uH   variant, or smb, or similar block-oriented protocol.  I would not and J   do not recommend LAD/LAST.  The whole point of getting LAD/LAST working I   on OpenVMS involves primitive bootstrap code that requires LAD/LAST -- cH   were I to consider re-designing and re-implementing that environment, E   I'd personally probably first choose to use bootp, tftp, and nfs...    	--c  E   There are several LAD client clients included on the Freeware V5.0 GD   distributions, these are the old clients for the various platformsC   that were available back when the InfoServer devices were active.F  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:47:12 +0100e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com( Subject: Re: InfoServer and LAD ProtocolH Message-ID: <OF1AB91E87.F2DCC75D-ON80256A3E.00511CC1@qedi.quintiles.com>  F I've got an InfoServer active in my computer room right now.....  :-)) (sorry)N   Hoff wrote:hE >>>There are several LAD client clients included on the Freeware V5.0eD   distributions, these are the old clients for the various platformsF   that were available back when the InfoServer devices were active.<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:08:48 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>s( Subject: Re: InfoServer and LAD Protocol8 Message-ID: <9ck2mj$6q5$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message-* news:9TeH6.341$5I.6763@news.cpqcorp.net... > > >   Since I have been receiving various email on this topic... >S >w <snip>  J Let's also not forget for those of us that live in routed/switched networkI environments, that LAST is not a routable protocol, so it doesn't "travel3J well".  Back in the days of flat LANS that was OK.  Not anymore.  At least& not in our case.  Can't speak for all.  J Also our network people don't necessarily like to add yet another protocol to the wire.  D We still have Infoservers here.  We like 'em.  We heard from productH managers a few years back that they were going bye-bye.  Nice to hear of their coming back.   Dave...    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:53:51 +0200o5 From: Eckhard Wich <eckhard_wich@deutsche-boerse.com>d& Subject: Re: Limit on telnet sessions.3 Message-ID: <3AED362F.9C5C3349@deutsche-boerse.com>e  & --Boundary_(ID_GA9N04OoGpOsRHXPxhcvrA) Content-type: text/plain  J If I remember right, the default limit is 50 telnet session. To change the limit to "3" for example enter:a  $ TCPIP> set service telnet /limit = 3  ! You may review the settings with:   % TCPIP> sh service telnet  /full /permc   Service: TELNETi  G Port:               23     Protocol:  TCP             Address:  0.0.0.0aK Inactivity:          1     User_name: not defined     Process:  not definedj" Limit:               3    <<< ----   File:         not definedL Flags:        Listen Rtty TCPIP   % Socket Opts:  Keepalive Rcheck Schecks0  Receive:         3000     Send:            3000  7 Log Opts:     Actv Dactv Conn Error Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct   File:        not defined    Security  Reject msg:  not definedj  Accept host: 0.0.0.0c  Accept netw: 0.0.0.0  TCPIP>   *** NOTE ***  L These permanent settings become effective at next start of telnet service. AK word of warning: You may lock out yourself by limiting the number of telnetsK sessions if no other way to access your system (LAT, DECnet, local port) isa
 available.       jester schrieb:i  J > Does anyone know where I can limit the number of telnet sessions in VMS?  & --Boundary_(ID_GA9N04OoGpOsRHXPxhcvrA) Content-type: text/htmlf  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html>J <tt>If I remember right, the default limit is 50 telnet session. To change1 the limit to "3" for example enter:</tt><tt></tt>t9 <p><tt>TCPIP> set service telnet /limit = 3</tt><tt></tt> 6 <p><tt>You may review the settings with:</tt><tt></tt>? <p><tt>TCPIP> sh service telnet&nbsp; /full /perm</tt><tt></tt>n$ <p><tt>Service: TELNET</tt><tt></tt>` <p><tt>Port:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;v 23&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Protocol:&nbsp; TCP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Address:&nbsp; 0.0.0.0</tt>tI <br><tt>Inactivity:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1H 1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; User_name: not defined&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Process:&nbsp; not defined</tt>ab <br><tt>Limit:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;3 3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;&lt;&lt; ----</tt><tt></tt>-M <p><tt>File:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; not defined</tt>sX <br><tt>Flags:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Listen Rtty TCPIP</tt><tt></tt>6 <p><tt>Socket Opts:&nbsp; Keepalive Rcheck Scheck</tt>F <br><tt>&nbsp;Receive:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;d 3000&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Send:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3000</tt><tt></tt>H <p><tt>Log Opts:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Actv Dactv Conn Error Logi Logo Mdfy Rjct</tt>W <br><tt>&nbsp;File:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; not defined</tt><tt></tt>  <p><tt>Security</tt>0 <br><tt>&nbsp;Reject msg:&nbsp; not defined</tt>' <br><tt>&nbsp;Accept host: 0.0.0.0</tt>z' <br><tt>&nbsp;Accept netw: 0.0.0.0</tt>i <br><tt>TCPIP></tt><tt></tt>! <p><tt>*** NOTE ***</tt><tt></tt> H <p><tt>These permanent settings become effective at next start of telnetL service. A word of warning: You may lock out yourself by limiting the numberF of telnet sessions if no other way to access your system (LAT, DECnet, local port) is available.</tt> <br><tt></tt>&nbsp;<tt></tt> <p><tt>&nbsp;</tt> <br><tt>jester schrieb:</tt>G <blockquote TYPE=CITE><tt>Does anyone know where I can limit the numberu, of telnet sessions in VMS?</tt></blockquote> <tt></tt></html>  ( --Boundary_(ID_GA9N04OoGpOsRHXPxhcvrA)--   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:58:53 +0200b1 From: "Tomasz Dryjanski" <tdryjanski@hotmail.com>b7 Subject: Re: Main production system crashed - continued . Message-ID: <9cj602$2oh3$1@news2.ipartners.pl>  A >      I find your Reply/All crash interesting, because I have ant AlphaServer L > 4100 5/400 running VMS V7.1 that also crashes whenever I issue a Reply/AllL > command.  It seems to run fine otherwise (and has for months), so I do notC > issue any Reply/All commands on that node.  We have several othern AlphaServerSK > 4100s at VMS V7.1 and one at VMS V7.2-1 that do not show this problem.  Io wasuG > hoping to upgrade to VMS V7.2-1 in the near future to see if it woulde solveaK > the problem.  If it did not, then I was going to log a call to support onn it,-( > maybe I should go ahead and do it now. >  > Dale A. Marcy 0 > Science Applications International Corporation  J It looks for me like a bug in the SYS$TTDRIVER, but I think that's not the only reason.K I would suggest support, unless it is as inefficient as the support here...  :(   T. D.i   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Apr 2001 15:31:18 GMT# From: system@niuhep.physics.niu.eduf Subject: mozilla .81+ Message-ID: <9ck0g6$dtr$1@husk.cso.niu.edu>h  B I am trying to get mozilla .81 up and running.  It works fine fromC a privileged account, but even if I INSTALL it it crashes on a non-oC privileged account.  I didn't see anything out of the ordinary witho* respect to file and directory protections.    I'm running VMS 7.2, TCPIP 5.0a.  1 Any suggestions besides reporting it to bugzilla?    Thanks,l Robert Morphis  , $ if f$trnlnm("TCPIP$IPV6_STARTED") .eqs. "" $ then8 $   define /user VMS_NULL_DL_NAME SYS$SHARE:DECC$SHR.EXE $ else $ endif ? $ if f$trnlnm("USER") .eqs. "" then define /user user "MORPHIS"hQ $ if f$trnlnm("LOGNAME") .eqs. "" then define /user logname "SYS$LOGIN:[MORPHIS]" = $ define /user MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME "/shr4/mozilla/m081/mozilla" % $ define /user VMS_USE_VMS_DEF_PROT 1s  , $ write sys$output "Starting mozilla-bin..." Starting mozilla-bin... 5 $ mcr SHR4:[MOZILLA.M081.MOZILLA]mozilla-bin.        p. Registering plugin 0 for: "*","All types",".*". Registering plugin 0 for: "*","All types",".*"v %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=0000000000000000, PC=00000000003B8578, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows3P   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs PC      0  LIBXPCOM  NSPROXYEVENTOBJECT  GetNewOrUsedProxyO                                         33154 0000000000000A08 00000000003B8578-2  LIBXPCOM  NSPROXYOBJECTMANAGER  GetProxyForObjectO                                         27055 0000000000001230 00000000003BB2C0iO  LIBNECKO  NSSTREAMLOADER  Init         39936 00000000000011F8 0000000001478458i.  LIBGKCONTENT  NSCSSLOADER  NS_NewStreamLoaderO                                         42044 000000000000197C 00000000021B1C5C O  LIBGKCONTENT  NSCSSLOADER  LoadSheet   46256 00000000000063E8 00000000021B66C8t)  LIBGKCONTENT  NSCSSLOADER  LoadStyleLinkfO                                         46420 0000000000006E04 00000000021B70E4i1  LIBGKCONTENT  NSXULCONTENTSINK  ProcessStyleLink-O                                         65869 0000000000003B40 0000000002268F60s9  LIBGKCONTENT  NSXULCONTENTSINK  AddProcessingInstruction0O                                         65940 0000000000004378 0000000002269798e?  LIBHTMLPARS  NSWELLFORMEDDTD  HandleProcessingInstructionTokenaO                                         44087 0000000000001484 00000000017513F4s*  LIBHTMLPARS  NSWELLFORMEDDTD  HandleTokenO                                         44004 00000000000010B0 0000000001751020c)  LIBHTMLPARS  NSWELLFORMEDDTD  BuildModelsO                                         43742 0000000000000A40 00000000017509B0cO  LIBHTMLPARS  NSPARSER  BuildModel      46784 0000000000004EF0 000000000173FA80eO  LIBHTMLPARS  NSPARSER  ResumeParse     46676 0000000000004C68 000000000173F7F8 '  LIBHTMLPARS  NSPARSER  OnDataAvailablehO                                         47114 0000000000005A48 00000000017405D8e+  LIBURILOADER  NSURILOADER  OnDataAvailableRO                                         47102 00000000000033C0 0000000001848350 -  LIBNECKO  NSSTREAMLISTENERPROXY  HandleEventmO                                         17124 0000000000001138 0000000001475D28hO  LIBXPCOM  PLEVENT  PL_HandleEvent      35358 0000000000000C68 00000000003B3BC8P+  LIBXPCOM  PLEVENT  PL_ProcessPendingEventsdO                                         35281 0000000000000AC4 00000000003B3A24 -  LIBXPCOM  NSEVENTQUEUE  ProcessPendingEvents O                                         11440 0000000000001CC4 00000000003AC544h-  LIBWIDGET_GTK  NSAPPSHELL  our_gdk_io_invokeyO                                         70401 00000000000008B4 0000000000A82954SO  LIBGLIB  GMAIN  g_main_dispatch        19206 0000000000000AD0 0000000000C6BE20 O  LIBGLIB  GMAIN  g_main_iterate         19425 000000000000128C 0000000000C6C5DCeO  LIBGLIB  GMAIN  g_main_run             19481 0000000000001470 0000000000C6C7C0CO  LIBGTK  GTKMAIN  gtk_main              20666 0000000000000A58 0000000000EBC508nO  LIBWIDGET_GTK  NSAPPSHELL  Run         70699 0000000000001544 0000000000A835E4rO  MOZILLA-BIN  NSAPPRUNNER  main1        10235 00000000000074C0 00000000000374C0sO  MOZILLA-BIN  NSAPPRUNNER  main         62266 0000000000008188 0000000000038188nO  MOZILLA-BIN  NSAPPRUNNER  __MAIN           0 0000000000000070 0000000000030070eO  PTHREAD$RTL                                0 000000000003115C 000000007BBCF15ChO  PTHREAD$RTL                                0 0000000000012B48 000000007BBB0B48sO                                             0 FFFFFFFF85AA5474 FFFFFFFF85AA5474w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:05:16 +0100t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>8 Subject: Re: OpenVMS article - please explain last line!* Message-ID: <3AED54FC.AFD708CC@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Andrew ..s >  > Sensitive these days eh ?t >  > :-)h >  > Hey, I agreed with you ! >  > Heres my statement:wM > "Anyway, I do agree with you that the we should have a more current streams L > number available that correlates closer to currently available systems and > will see what I can find out.w > * > Thank you for kindly pointing this out." >   . Come on Kerry you knew it was there, you could- not have been stupid enough to only read the d* first 3 paragraphs of the white paper you  used as reference.  ( And as you can see from the white paper % your own technical peoples advice is n% to ignore RAW numbers and instead to    go for STREAMS numbers instead.   # On that basis your own white paper a" says that your claim of 5.2 GB is $ BS, get used to it or get the white ' papers authors to withdraw the article.    veL > Again, even if a new EV68 number does not reflect the raw bandwidth numberM > that is on the web site (and yes I agree with you that is not necessarily a:( > good thing), what about the Sun site ? >   ; What about Sun's site. We are discussing your BS not Sun's  - so why are you trying to change the subject. o  : What is at issue is your claims of falsehood and wrongness" not anything that Sun has claimed.    G > Can you let us know where the 9.6Gb streams numbers are for these newn+ > servers that are posted on the Sun site ? K > http://www.sun.com/servers/midrange/comparison.html (System bus bandwidthe > 9.6Gb sustained) >   9 And you are entitled to call Sun on that and raise doubtsH5 about the number, until we publish a STREAMS result. -  7 The problem is you have published a STREAMS result for ,3 the ES40 and on that basis there is no support for i1 you claim of 5.2 GB/s since the STREAMS number is8. almost exactly 50% of your claimed RAW number.      @ > As far as I could see, the only ones posted are older servers:J > Machine ID                      ncpus    COPY    SCALE      ADD    TRIADJ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------J > Sun_UE_6000_assembly              16   2551.0   2449.9   2434.6   2434.9 >     2 Great example because it only serves to illustrate4 the difference between Compaq marketing BS and what - Sun says about the capability of our systems.t  1 http://www.sun.com/960416/wp/wp.ultra.server.html   4 Details the performance of the E6000 backplane, read4 the claimed performance of the backplane. We claimed2 2.5 GB/s and thats almost exactly what the STREAMS
 result is.  3 You are claiming 5.2 GB/s despite a STREAMS result r- of half this and a white paper from your own  2 techical people arguing that RAW bandwidth numbers are BS.   / How much longer are you going to go on digging l for ????     regards. Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:36:02 +0100 7 From: "Erne Kevin (Softlab)" <Kevin.Erne@Softlab.co.uk>n( Subject: Re: Process memory-usage on VMSK Message-ID: <9EC5A3A16E4BD41180730008C78432AC13EAEA@birexb01.softlab.co.uk>e  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D150.96B8E564t Content-Type: text/plain  B The PowerHouse QKDRIVER is built as a shareable image  by default ? and therefore no subprocess is spawned.You could try and build  G it with the NOSHARE option but you will lose the performance advantage o of the shared image.H These are my process quotas for PowerHouse 7.10G calling COBOL external 
 routines.   E CPU limit:                      Infinite  Direct I/O limit:       150 F  Buffered I/O byte count quota:     97952  Buffered I/O limit:     150F  Timer queue entry quota:              10  Open file quota:         96F  Paging file quota:                 72752  Subprocess quota:         7F  Default page fault cluster:           64  AST quota:              248F  Enqueue quota:                      2000  Shared file limit:        0H  Max detached processes:                0  Max active jobs:          0  , Enqueue quota is usually a good one to check   > -----Original Message-----1 > From:	Martie Ressing [SMTP:m.ressing@planet.nl]O  > Posted At:	29 April 2001 16:27 > Posted To:	vms+ > Conversation:	Process memory-usage on VMSi* > Subject:	Re: Process memory-usage on VMS >  > Joe, > A > the 4GL we use offers a 'do external' command to call a routine  > written in > C.D > I don't know the lib$spawn, and I'm not sure if that's being used. >  > Martie > D > "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> schreef in bericht$ > news:O6g$A13zAHA.83@cpmsnbbsa07...8 > > You could start with show process/accounting or show > process/continuous > (on D > > 2nd typing a "V" might be of some interest - HELP SHOW PROCESS). > >-B > > How is the 4GL language "calling" the C program? Are you using > lib$spawn  > toB > > call a program or are you calling a routine written in C (your	 > wording- > seems-: > > to indicate something along the lines of a lib$spawn). > >eE > > Unless the program (or routine) getting called is doing something 	 > unusual.H > > (such as inner mode stuff) resources are typically released when the	 > programmH > > terminates. With something along the lines of a lib$spawn I wouldn't > expectG > > to see behavior you are describing. I would expect to see the belowe
 > problemsF > > from an (improperly) coded function. There are exceptions to every > rule.rH > > Calling something like $GETQUI and negelecting to release the "queue; > > context" can get you into problems even in user mode...w > >bG > > If you search through past "OpenVMS Wizard" articles you can find a$ > fewiD > > rather indepth ones on memory leaks (common causes and debugging; > > techniques). The wizard is a quite a knowledgable chap.r > >.3 > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/index.html  > >i > > Joe. > >  > >s > > ; > > "Martie Ressing" <m.ressing@planet.nl> wrote in messagew* > > news:9ccmnm$5qe65$1@reader02.wxs.nl... > > > Hello, > > >lA > > > I've got a problem concerning jobs seemingly running out oft	 > memory.oH > > > We are running a program (on Alpha/VMS) developed in PowerHouse (a > 4GL), > > > which call's, repeatedly, a C-program.C > > > We think the C-program doesn't free the memory it uses, after'C > > > returning to the calling program, because after some time thegC > > > program just quits (without some message). I would expect the- > C-program-C > > > just give back all the memory it used to the calling process. > > > > Changing process-quota just delays the time of crashing. > > >s > > > My question's:H > > > - how can I monitor memory usage for a specific process on VMS, so/ > > >   I could perhaps track down the problem.eE > > > - Does anyone have suggestions how we could tackle this problemo > > >r > > >e > > > Martie Ressing > > > Software engineer3. > > > Inter Access, Deventer (The Netherlands) > > >v > > >n > >f > >p >   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D150.96B8E564  Content-Type: text/html + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">i <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =g charset=3Dus-ascii">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2650.12">:. <TITLE>Re: Process memory-usage on VMS</TITLE> </HEAD>o <BODY>  C <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The PowerHouse =e? QKDRIVER is built as a shareable image&nbsp; by default </FONT> F <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">and therefore no =5 subprocess is spawned.You could try and build </FONT> I <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">it with the NOSHARE =e: option but you will lose the performance advantage </FONT>C <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">of the shared =e
 image.</FONT>sB <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">These are my =B process quotas for PowerHouse 7.10G calling COBOL external </FONT>E <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">routines. </FONT>l </P>  ' <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"r_ansi">CPU =pI limit:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=t> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =F Infinite&nbsp; Direct I/O limit:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
 150</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"r_ansi">&nbsp;Buffered I/O byte count =9 quota:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 97952&nbsp; Buffered I/O =;) limit:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 150</FONT>;< <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"r_ansi">&nbsp;Timer queue entry =I quota:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=b! &nbsp;&nbsp; 10&nbsp; Open file = @ quota:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 96</FONT>6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"r_ansi">&nbsp;Paging file =I quota:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=s7 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 72752&nbsp; Subprocess =/? quota:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 7</FONT>;= <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"r_ansi">&nbsp;Default page fault =;F cluster:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = 64&nbsp; AST =I quota:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=s &nbsp;&nbsp; 248</FONT>;2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"r_ansi">&nbsp;Enqueue =I quota:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=;I &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2000&nbsp; =>E Shared file limit:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0</FONT>t7 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"r_ansi">&nbsp;Max detached =&I processes:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=n1 bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; Max active =<= jobs:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =aF 0</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp; </FONT>F <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Enqueue quota is =" usually a good one to check</FONT> </P> <UL>B <P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>I <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">From:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT =C( SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Martie Ressing =! [SMTP:m.ressing@planet.nl]</FONT> - <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Posted =o= At:</FONT></B>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D1 =-) FACE=3D"Arial">29 April 2001 16:27</FONT>0- <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Posted =a= To:</FONT></B>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D1 =e FACE=3D"Arial">vms</FONT>3 <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 = D FACE=3D"Arial">Conversation:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 =1 FACE=3D"Arial">Process memory-usage on VMS</FONT>  <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =aI FACE=3D"Arial">Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT>=,@ </B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Re: Process memory-usage on =
 VMS</FONT> </P>  , <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Joe,</FONT> </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">the 4GL we use offers a 'do external' =+ command to call a routine written in</FONT>v+ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">C.</FONT> G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I don't know the lib$spawn, and I'm =o% not sure if that's being used.</FONT>c </P>  . <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Martie</FONT> </P>  = <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&quot;cstranslations&quot; =a> &lt;cstranslations@email.msn.com&gt; schreef in bericht</FONT>; <BR><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A =-* HREF=3D"news:O6g$A13zAHA.83@cpmsnbbsa07" =G TARGET=3D"_blank">news:O6g$A13zAHA.83@cpmsnbbsa07</A></FONT></U><FONT =g" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">...</FONT>B <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; You could start with show =4 process/accounting or show process/continuous</FONT>, <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">(on</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; 2nd typing a &quot;V&quot; might =.0 be of some interest - HELP SHOW PROCESS).</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>n@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; How is the 4GL language =A &quot;calling&quot; the C program? Are you using lib$spawn</FONT>E+ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">to</FONT>sB <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; call a program or are you =3 calling a routine written in C (your wording</FONT> . <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">seems</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; to indicate something along the = lines of a lib$spawn).</FONT> - <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>0H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; Unless the program (or routine) =0 getting called is doing something unusual</FONT>C <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; (such as inner mode stuff) =r0 resources are typically released when the</FONT>0 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">program</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; terminates. With something along =b* the lines of a lib$spawn I wouldn't</FONT>/ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">expect</FONT> @ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; to see behavior you are =2 describing. I would expect to see the below</FONT>1 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">problems</FONT>0C <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; from an (improperly) coded =04 function. There are exceptions to every rule.</FONT>G <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; Calling something like $GETQUI =01 and negelecting to release the &quot;queue</FONT>DG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; context&quot; can get you into =N$ problems even in user mode...</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>0C <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; If you search through past =L= &quot;OpenVMS Wizard&quot; articles you can find a few</FONT>0F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; rather indepth ones on memory =) leaks (common causes and debugging</FONT> E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; techniques). The wizard is a =O! quite a knowledgable chap.</FONT>n- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT> 8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT><U> <FONT =. COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A =: HREF=3D"http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/index.html" =I TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/index.html</A></F=  ONT></U>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>T1 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; Joe</FONT>0- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT> - <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>0- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>lC <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &quot;Martie Ressing&quot; =03 &lt;m.ressing@planet.nl&gt; wrote in message</FONT>i8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT><U> <FONT =. COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A =. HREF=3D"news:9ccmnm$5qe65$1@reader02.wxs.nl" =I TARGET=3D"_blank">news:9ccmnm$5qe65$1@reader02.wxs.nl</A></FONT></U><FON= $ T SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">...</FONT>9 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; Hello,</FONT>o2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt;</FONT>@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; I've got a problem =7 concerning jobs seemingly running out of memory.</FONT> F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; We are running a program =5 (on Alpha/VMS) developed in PowerHouse (a 4GL)</FONT> I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; which call's, repeatedly, a =g C-program.</FONT> D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; We think the C-program =- doesn't free the memory it uses, after</FONT>CF <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; returning to the calling =+ program, because after some time the</FONT> I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; program just quits (without =S2 some message). I would expect the C-program</FONT>D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; just give back all the =- memory it used to the calling process.</FONT>mI <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; Changing process-quota just =N# delays the time of crashing.</FONT>02 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt;</FONT>A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; My question's:</FONT> H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; - how can I monitor memory =. usage for a specific process on VMS, so</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; I could perhaps =  track down the problem.</FONT>@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; - Does anyone have =3 suggestions how we could tackle this problem</FONT>52 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt;</FONT>2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt;</FONT>A <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; Martie Ressing</FONT>wD <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; Software engineer</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt; Inter Access, Deventer (The =e Netherlands)</FONT>s2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt;</FONT>2 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt; &gt;</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>o- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&gt;</FONT>h </P> </UL>  </BODY>d </HTML>e) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0D150.96B8E564--a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:59:46 -0400t0 From: paul.r.anderson@compaq.com (Paul Anderson)G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98 P Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-3004011059460001@dhcp-16-21-34-107.eng.lkg.dec.com>  B In article <bBnG6.67$o7.1484@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy"# <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:d  K > Any idea if Toast on the Mac can?  I'm looking into getting a nice new CD J > burner for my Mac, and would like to be able to burn VMS images to CD-R.  D I use Toast on a Mac to make Files-11 disks all the time.  Use LD onE OpenVMS to create the virtual disk file and then copy it to the Mac. iH Choose "Disc Image" as the type of CD to make, drag the file icon to the. Toast window and choose a sector size of 2048.   Paul   -- /
 Paul Andersonr  OpenVMS Engineering  Compaq Computer Corporation   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:09:09 -0700i! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98ED Message-ID: <OFF32096A7.E5C2C12D-ON88256A3E.005DCE58@foundation.com>  G Does this mean you'll be discontinuing DEC C now GNU C is available for I free? Or that you'll stop producing rebadged/firmware'd disks because theeK generic ones are cheaper? I doubt it. There's a market for Compaq supportedEI CD-R's, as you can see from the regular complaints about the lack of that-G in this group. This is partly because many companies refuse to use free9J products. The pointy-haired ones want someone contractually obliged to fix anything that goes wrong.n   Shanea          F hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) on 04/27/2001 05:04:41 PM  > Please respond to hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:l  H Subject:  Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98    H In article <3AE9F4CA.7B343F7A@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  I :The real question is why we have to rely on freeware tools etc., and why 5 :write CD-R's and CD-RW's isn't a part of VMS itself.h  C   Would you be willing to pay for a Compaq CD-R or Compaq-specifiedwE   CD-R drive (including a CD-R media kit the application software and B   tools for OpenVMS CD-R) and the associated software and hardware   support contracts?  How much?u  I   The "fun" I've had recently involves kitting up a CD-R application toolCH   and the associated mechanisms such as LD -- and since folks are givingE   these away for free, well, I'm not sure how much of a market exists F   for a product if/when I finish.  (The purchase price and the supportC   contract might or might not cover the effort and the costs of the    support calls.)b  0  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------tJ       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com2  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------r/    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:39:21 GMTi From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>G Subject: Re: Ripping ods-2 cd on AlphaOpenVMS burning ods-2 cd in Win98 ' Message-ID: <3AEDA347.784F7159@home.nl>   & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  ` > In article <3ae9c8d0.58108970@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, a-mullen@uiuc.edu (Anthony J Mullen) writes: > >Hey - > >dI > >Here I am again.  I'm attempting to make a copy of an OpenVMS-readable  > >CD. > >l > >The process I'm using is;  > >$mount/foreign/noassist <dev> > >$copy <dev> <file>.isoi > >$ftp <win98 machine>A
 > >ftp>binary1 > >ftp>send <file>.iso > >win98>burn-a-cd > > C > >I've tried a couple different options, and I've created a couple  > >different unreadable cds. > > I > >I'm getting closer with Easy CD Creator 4.  This time when I mount then > >new cd I get the error;; > >%MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Files-11 home block not found on volumei7 > >%MOUNT-I-OPRQST, Please mount device _UITCSA$DKA600:  > >O= > >Which is progress.  Before I'd get 'media offline' errors.c > >c; > >Has anyone else been successful doing something similar?g > >"	 > >Tony -f >mL > Not with a PeeCee.  I suspect that your software is burning the <file>.isoL > as ISO9660 into the CD.  This will not work.  ISO9660 will not write in/toL > the first 16 (2048) sectors of the CD.  This area corresponds to the firstJ > 64 block of a VMS volume.  If you are not writing VBN 1 of <file>.iso toK > LBN 0 of the CD, you will never mount the CD as a VMS volume.  You PeeCeemM > software *must* be able to burn the CD with an image (the <file>.iso) with-s0 > out interpreting or imposing *any* formatting.  T You can not use Easy CD anymore, there was a time you could. I use Nero, works fine.         >b >sK > Adap-tick SLeazy CD Creator, I've been told, cannot be used to burn a VMSuL > image without Adap-tick SLeazy CD Creator trying to impose ISO9660 format-L > ting.  Go with another package or burn the CD on VMS like any right-minded > VMSer would do.a >" > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  >mQ > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:12:35 +0200o2 From: Andreas Stiller <Andreas.Stiller@netsurf.de>Y Subject: Re: seeking performance numbers for distributed lock manager traffic via FDDI FD * Message-ID: <3AED64C3.B638B221@netsurf.de>  * Thanks very much for the answers so far !   G Some questions appeared about the setup. So i add some info in summary.)   1) disk rates:? Yes, we have disk problems (seen as queue length or HSJ-channeltE overload). But this is correlated with high number of batch-jobs. ThemG problem i showed appears with moderate load also. It is 1000 - 2000 opssG / sec in total for the three nodes. This depends on the non-interactivemG load. But the problem with the lock-manager traffic appears long beforee: disk saturation (monitored with MONITOR and Perf. Advisor)  G The huge size of the disk farm (1Tb) is nearly unused during the normal B daily workload. 200GB are for a full weekly extract for a DWH. AndH another 400 Gb for a replica used for some long running reports. So onlyA 400 Gb are in use by the "hot" DB. This DB shrinks to ca. 70Gb ifr$ unloaded into files with RMU/UNLOAD.   2) deadlock:G Right, deadlocks are a problems too. But again, the SEQBLK stalls (seennD with RMU/SHO STAT) and the response times increase without deadlocks too. H   3) change way of lockingG One idea was not to serialize on one lock. But the lock is RDB internalD? and absolutely necessary for the Oracle RDB feature "read-only"r transaction. So no chance here.E  " 4) CI take SCS traffic in any caseG Luckily, this is not true. There are tools to change the load factor of"E PE (SCS over network) and PN (SCS over CI). Using this one can switchaH off CI totally for SCS. This we did. In addition one can exclude networkD devices from the SCS-protocol with "STOP_BUS" tool. This we did also% until only one FDDI remained for SCS.=  
 5) networkF One hint was that a switch degrades in performance if packets size hasE to be changed inside (from FDDI to Ethernet and back). So i asked theeA computing centre for a network layout. This topic is my last hopeA6 (beside upgrade to FiberChannel + HSG + MemoryChannel)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:50:22 -0700=. From: Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com>& Subject: source code tracking software; Message-ID: <000001c0d195$a6880c00$9c96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>s  G Does anyone have any suggestions for a package for a software "library"i tracking system.B Who has what program out being modified and what was modified etc.  I Any shareware packages out there that don't require RDB and other layered; products to run ??   Thanks   Hank Vander Waal Mansco   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:22:58 GMTr From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>* Subject: Re: source code tracking software' Message-ID: <3AED7541.16B95EA3@home.nl>n  : How about CMS (Code Management System), a part of DECset ?   Hank Vander Waal wrote:E  I > Does anyone have any suggestions for a package for a software "library"; > tracking system.D > Who has what program out being modified and what was modified etc. > K > Any shareware packages out there that don't require RDB and other layeredN > products to run ?? >" > Thanks >t > Hank Vander Waal > Mansco   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:29:44 +0100u  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com* Subject: Re: source code tracking softwareH Message-ID: <OF75440CCB.63BB843C-ON80256A3E.004F489D@qedi.quintiles.com>  K There's one (whose name escapes me at the moment but it's three letters andsF it's used in VMS Engineering apparently - is it VDE?) either on the V4 Freeware or on the upcoming V5.s   Steve.   Hank Vander Waal wrote:  >>>FG Does anyone have any suggestions for a package for a software "library"; tracking system.B Who has what program out being modified and what was modified etc.  I Any shareware packages out there that don't require RDB and other layeredp products to run ?? <<<=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:35:11 +02000= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o* Subject: Re: source code tracking software) Message-ID: <3AED781F.28D59CB1@gtech.com>-   Dirk Munk wrote:K > > Does anyone have any suggestions for a package for a software "library"F > > tracking system.F > > Who has what program out being modified and what was modified etc. > >rM > > Any shareware packages out there that don't require RDB and other layered  > > products to run ?? > < > How about CMS (Code Management System), a part of DECset ?    CMS is not exactly shareware ...   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:35:38 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>3* Subject: Re: source code tracking software) Message-ID: <3AED783A.DECBAE21@gtech.com>E   Hank Vander Waal wrote:bI > Does anyone have any suggestions for a package for a software "library"a > tracking system.D > Who has what program out being modified and what was modified etc. > K > Any shareware packages out there that don't require RDB and other layeredt > products to run ??   RCSo CVS (client only)O   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:02:29 +0200l= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>i* Subject: Re: source code tracking software) Message-ID: <3AED7E85.EAA7863F@gtech.com>O  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:aM > There's one (whose name escapes me at the moment but it's three letters andNH > it's used in VMS Engineering apparently - is it VDE?) either on the V4! > Freeware or on the upcoming V5.   ) I think VDE is the one that requires RDB.s   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:38:00 -0000F- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) * Subject: Re: source code tracking software/ Message-ID: <ter57830vobve9@news.supernews.com>F  H hvanderw@novagate.com (Hank Vander Waal) wrote in <000001c0d195$a6880c00 $9c96a8c6@manufact5l8vs8>:   >SH >Does anyone have any suggestions for a package for a software "library" >tracking system.=C >Who has what program out being modified and what was modified etc.r >aJ >Any shareware packages out there that don't require RDB and other layered >products to run ??3 >F >Thanksi >> >Hank Vander Waal  >Manscou  L CMS (Code Management System) is the native source code repository/librarian 7 on OpenVMS.  It's not cheap, but it works like a champ.l  K I believe CVS (Concurrent Versioning System) is available for OpenVMS from FG the freeware crowd too, and of course it's significantly cheaper.  The l4 OpenVMS FAQ contains the needed pointers, I believe.  J Your questions are explicit enough to prompt me to add this caution:  CMS L and CVS are diametrically opposed in their default locking strategies - CMS L is pessimistic and CVS is optimistic.  You may have a strong preference for H one mechanism or the other, or perhaps the need for both (in which case  choose CMS).   ws     --  1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>I   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **A   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:28:41 -0700r+ From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com>o* Subject: Re: source code tracking software1 Message-ID: <3AEDA0C9.74CD9499@email.sps.mot.com>   D I have a VAX (5.5-4) running CMS. Can I transfer the libraries to anG Alpha running the CMS? What is the best recourse if the CMS software isn dropped? Any ideas?    Thanks,I LindaF   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 17:42:18 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>* Subject: Re: source code tracking software' Message-ID: <3AEDA3F9.6D1BFE04@home.nl>i   Arne Vajhj wrote:   > Dirk Munk wrote:M > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for a package for a software "library"; > > > tracking system.H > > > Who has what program out being modified and what was modified etc. > > >gO > > > Any shareware packages out there that don't require RDB and other layered0 > > > products to run ?? > >A> > > How about CMS (Code Management System), a part of DECset ? >G" > CMS is not exactly shareware ...  E True, but teh shareware question was a possibility, not a demand ....A     >g >/ > Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:00:48 -0000=0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.net>2 Subject: Re: Warning - Charon-VAX Hobbyist Edition/ Message-ID: <teqog03i4at775@corp.supernews.com>l  9 Daniel Seagraves <dseagrav@sakura.lunar-tokyo.net> wrote:&J > Tim; Please try to understand - VAX and VMS people are like IBM people -< > Nothing matters to them except for $$$.  Hackers and otherI > non-revenue-generating types are useless to them.  They're not like the$ > PDP-10 people we're used to.  L > Please don't be disappointed that they seem cold and callous; That's theirM > nature.  They were born and bred that way.  Such is the legacy of the VAX -N > It's not their fault.C   All:  4 Well, let them go right now.  Yes, I understand now.  F Now I recognized that VMS system is comparable like IBM and Microsoft A operating systems while PDP-10 system is comparable like Linux...e Yes, big difference.  ? Alternatively, there are many VAX emulators but they still are dE underdeveloped due to lack of specifications.  Only one complete VAX t emulator is... Charon-VAX.   -- Tim Stark   --  , Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:38:59 -0700>: From: "Frederick Hoenisch" <Fred.hoenisch@gems9.gov.bc.ca>: Subject: Re: Warning: EV68/833 and Oracle Rdb incompatible+ Message-ID: <3aed872b$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>>  L Rdb 7.0.6.1 is the latest.  Oracle Rdb engineering staff have confirmed thatL EV68 is not yet certified.  In fact, they went on to say (last Tuesday) thatC they still didn't have EV68 technology in their Rdb lab (but it wast	 ordered).p  E The EV68/833 boards were formally announced by Compaq on February 12.F     Yours truly,   Fred.o  K Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are personal and do not necessarilyN$ reflect the opinions of my employer.    D Paul Repacholi wrote in message <87zod1aile.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...= >"Frederick Hoenisch" <Fred.hoenisch@gems9.gov.bc.ca> writes:I >3F >I think this is the EV6 problem, you need a later version of RDB.  IfG >there is a EV6-EV68 problem, RDB engineering will be seriously pissed!O >s >-->= >Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,38 >+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.A >                                             West Australia 6076O/ >Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.NI >Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov, # >  mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.govm   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 08:47:54 -0700 : From: "Frederick Hoenisch" <Fred.hoenisch@gems9.gov.bc.ca>: Subject: Re: Warning: EV68/833 and Oracle Rdb incompatible) Message-ID: <3aed8951@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>n  L Rdb 7.0.6.1 is the latest.  Oracle Rdb engineering staff have confirmed thatL EV68 is not yet certified.  In fact, they went on to say (last Tuesday) thatC they still didn't have EV68 technology in their Rdb lab (but it was 	 ordered).   E The EV68/833 boards were formally announced by Compaq on February 12.t     Yours truly, Fred.n  K Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are personal and do not necessarilya$ reflect the opinions of my employer.    E >Paul Repacholi wrote in message <87zod1aile.fsf@prep.synonet.com>...E> >>"Frederick Hoenisch" <Fred.hoenisch@gems9.gov.bc.ca> writes: >>G >>I think this is the EV6 problem, you need a later version of RDB.  IflJ >>there is a EV6-EV68 problem, RDB engineering will be seriously {censored2 so I can post without getting a nasty note again}! >> >>--> >>Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 >>+61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.dB >>                                             West Australia 60760 >>Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.J >>Spam-To: uce@ftc.gov,enforcement@sec.gov,sness@fcc.gov,hfurchtg@fcc.gov,$ >>  mpowell@fcc.gov,gtristan@fcc.gov >s >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:56:24 -0000e- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) L Subject: Re: What Oracle Database is supported by Open VMS? (ask the Oracle)/ Message-ID: <ter2p8p5vgkpcd@news.supernews.com>o  % nebel@csdco.com (John Nebel) wrote in)= <Pine.OSF.4.21.0104291338080.28654-100000@athena.csdco.com>:     >  >Alan, >O7 >Oracle does seem to have trouble with its web sites :)A >35 >"Learn about Platform Technology Partnerships" undereH >http://partner.oracle.com brings up a menu which will eventually get to  
 -- snip --  I I've visited Oracle's web site at least a couple of times a year for the  B last six years, and each time I come away mystified at how such a G significant computing company can do such a lousy job on their own web sJ site.  Although it often looks good, it seems like they don't test it for C functions that are just plain broken.  Took me many tries to get a  
 MetalLink Id.t   ws   --  1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>w   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2001 08:32:36 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)-> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <zfvhbWluxyHf@eisner.encompasserve.org>m   In article <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104271702010.29366-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>, Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu> writes: >  > I > I believe it was Bertrand Russell who candidly wrote: "There is no God,oK > there is no good or evil." (rough paraphrase) Indeed, a true atheist doesp0 > not believe in absolutes whether good or evil   G Bertrand Russell was wrong.  The issue of a diety is entirley separableVE from the issue of the absolute of good and evil.  Secular humanism is- not a requirement for atheism.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationi= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group.E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2001 08:35:41 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)l> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <N1vs2JznMVbF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3AE9E930.44BB4C09@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:d > D > If I'm not too badly mistaken, the Laws of Physics are accepted asF > universal. These are absolutes, are they not? Do atheists reject theH > absolute physical laws which are the foundation of all science? If so,. > then there can be neither a god nor science.  A Scientists tend to run higher percentage atheist than the generaloD population.  Most physicists accept the laws of physics as universalC absolutes, but understand that what we call the laws of physics aref? limitted by human understanding (reality is an absolute but our H knowledge is imperfect).  Of the atheits physicists I've known, none has" held to the abscence of absolutes.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupoE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2001 08:39:03 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <cQkp8n5p7oIm@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3AEA1150.FABF6C84@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:-  F > If there are no absolutes, then travel of any kind is impossible, asH > without absolutes, the behavior of the vehicle, its propulsion systems. > and other systems is entirely unpredictable. > ! > ...which is itself an absolute.u  dH The behaviour of the vehicle is entirely unpredicatable if you insist onH absolutes.  Physical law tells us that it is predictable only to within ? certain limits.  And physical law gives us few absolutes in ther prediction.i  - If you really want absolutes, try arithmetic.h  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationn= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 09:51:52 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%, Message-ID: <3AED6DDA.532F265D@videotron.ca>   Bob Koehler wrote:C > Scientists tend to run higher percentage atheist than the generalUF > population.  Most physicists accept the laws of physics as universalE > absolutes, but understand that what we call the laws of physics arer" > limitted by human understanding     M While science can explain 99% of the varous bibles that exist on earth, thereR< is one thing which science has not yet attempted to explain:  I who created the universe ?  (I am not talking about the big bang, but theiL universe as a whole which may have had many big bangs in various locations).  M And more importantly, was it an entity outside of our time/location dimensionfO who was able to create an universe without any time or size limits (infinity) ?r  N Of the universe exists in a finite time line and was create at one point a few, gazillion years ago, what was there before ?  J If the universe was created as the result of a whole bunch of energy being: transformed into matter, where did that energy come from ?    N I have no problems with humans outgroing traditional religions. But because ofI the "creation of the universe" issue, I still leave room for some sort ofo supreme entity.:   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2001 10:15:15 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)0> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <mE2uVTD9wcik@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  \ In article <3AED6DDA.532F265D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:D >> Scientists tend to run higher percentage atheist than the generalG >> population.  Most physicists accept the laws of physics as universal F >> absolutes, but understand that what we call the laws of physics are# >> limitted by human understanding t >  > O > While science can explain 99% of the varous bibles that exist on earth, there > > is one thing which science has not yet attempted to explain: > K > who created the universe ?  (I am not talking about the big bang, but the N > universe as a whole which may have had many big bangs in various locations). > O > And more importantly, was it an entity outside of our time/location dimension Q > who was able to create an universe without any time or size limits (infinity) ?- > P > Of the universe exists in a finite time line and was create at one point a few. > gazillion years ago, what was there before ? > L > If the universe was created as the result of a whole bunch of energy being< > transformed into matter, where did that energy come from ? >    	First Cause.  n  3 	One strong argument for a Creator.  Otherwise, youa= 	end up with Parallel Universes (a theory a Computer Science  A 	professor ascribed to when I pressed him on this matter 12 yearsr? 	ago.  The "Parallel Universe" theory has been around for quited= 	a while in one form or other).  The Parallel Universe theoryt= 	is very convenient because it "hides" the problem from view  
 	permanently.-  B 	Science in a sense had to come up with something.  After all, theD 	idea that there was enough "dark matter" to determine the Universe	D 	would collapse back in on itself has proven problematic.  So if the? 	Universe would be forever expanding , that would point back tooB 	a single instance (not the expanding and collapsing cycle science@ 	had hoped for).  That's a problem if there is a *single* proven= 	beginning (or strong evidence for), that too would argue forr@ 	a Creator, science would never embrace that "idea" and Romans 1% 	addresses the root of that thinking:   N "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanksF to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts wereO darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged theeO glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds anda animals and reptiles."   				Robc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:20:27 -0400o2 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%M Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104301016130.19328-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>-  " On 30 Apr 2001, Bob Koehler wrote:  I > Bertrand Russell was wrong.  The issue of a diety is entirley separablejG > from the issue of the absolute of good and evil.  Secular humanism isE  > not a requirement for atheism.  I Secular humanism cannot be an *absolute* arbitrator of moral values sinceo it is by definition relative.        - Mihali 	S@ +-------------------------------------+------------------------+@ | Mihali Felipe                       | mihali.felipe@yale.edu |@ | Yale University                     | OFFC (203)432-9808     |@ | Department of Geology and Geophysics| FAX  (203)432-3134     |@ | Box 208109                          |                        |@ | New Haven, CT  06520-8109           |                        |@ +-------------------------------------+------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:31:27 -0000"- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)g> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%/ Message-ID: <teqtpvf9t9s30f@news.supernews.com>a  6 mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu (Mihali Felipe) wrote in B <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104271702010.29366-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>:   >e7 >On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  >a: >> ... As an atheist, that makes me want to thump someone. >> oJ >> Hey, choose to believe what you want, just let me do the same and don't; >> call me an idiot if I don't make the same choice as you.i >tH >I believe it was Bertrand Russell who candidly wrote: "There is no God,  
 -- snip --  G I find it vaguely disturbing that a thread about Microsoft has evolved c+ (degenerated?) into a discussion about God.S   ws   -- c1 << Marriage is Grand.  Divorce is Fifty Grand. >>n   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 07:35:58 -0700s! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>r> Subject: RE: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEKICHAA.tom@kednos.com>u  > An Arbiter arbitrates.  A philosophy can't arbitrate anything.   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Mihali Felipe [mailto:mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu]C& > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:20 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms@ > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100% >  >  > $ > On 30 Apr 2001, Bob Koehler wrote: > K > > Bertrand Russell was wrong.  The issue of a diety is entirley separablecI > > from the issue of the absolute of good and evil.  Secular humanism isl" > > not a requirement for atheism. > K > Secular humanism cannot be an *absolute* arbitrator of moral values sincel! > it is by definition relative.    >  > 
 > - Mihali > 	oB > +-------------------------------------+------------------------+B > | Mihali Felipe                       | mihali.felipe@yale.edu |B > | Yale University                     | OFFC (203)432-9808     |B > | Department of Geology and Geophysics| FAX  (203)432-3134     |B > | Box 208109                          |                        |B > | New Haven, CT  06520-8109           |                        |B > +-------------------------------------+------------------------+ >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:58:19 -0400 (EDT)42 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>> Subject: RE: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%M Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104301057130.19328-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>e  & On Mon, 30 Apr 2001, Tom Linden wrote: >-@ > An Arbiter arbitrates.  A philosophy can't arbitrate anything.  ! Good point. Who arbitrates then? e       - Mihali 	t@ +-------------------------------------+------------------------+@ | Mihali Felipe                       | mihali.felipe@yale.edu |@ | Yale University                     | OFFC (203)432-9808     |@ | Department of Geology and Geophysics| FAX  (203)432-3134     |@ | Box 208109                          |                        |@ | New Haven, CT  06520-8109           |                        |@ +-------------------------------------+------------------------+   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2001 11:20:35 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <r62XVlUXwhOa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <3AED6DDA.532F265D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:K > who created the universe ?  (I am not talking about the big bang, but theaN > universe as a whole which may have had many big bangs in various locations).  E Why does there have to be a who?  If there is a who, then who created>
 him (her)?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationg= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2001 11:23:59 -0500- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)n> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <R90s0EBTA0wC@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  a In article <mE2uVTD9wcik@eisner.encompasserve.org>, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) writes:s^ > In article <3AED6DDA.532F265D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:M >> If the universe was created as the result of a whole bunch of energy being8= >> transformed into matter, where did that energy come from ?   F Nothing.  As in the popular phrase "in the begining there was nothing,F which exploded."  In the big bang theory, there was neither matter nor energy, there was a bang.A   > 	First Cause.    > 5 > 	One strong argument for a Creator.  Otherwise, yout" > 	end up with Parallel Universes   B I don't think so, but what's wrong with parallel universes anyhow?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation:= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingg   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:23:18 -0400e2 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%M Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104301122200.19328-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>   " On 30 Apr 2001, Bob Koehler wrote:  H > Nothing.  As in the popular phrase "in the begining there was nothing,H > which exploded."  In the big bang theory, there was neither matter nor > energy, there was a bang.   I Nothing explodes. Why didn't Timothy McVeigh's defense come up with that? 	 HAHAHAH.         - Mihali 	e@ +-------------------------------------+------------------------+@ | Mihali Felipe                       | mihali.felipe@yale.edu |@ | Yale University                     | OFFC (203)432-9808     |@ | Department of Geology and Geophysics| FAX  (203)432-3134     |@ | Box 208109                          |                        |@ | New Haven, CT  06520-8109           |                        |@ +-------------------------------------+------------------------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 15:48:40 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)2> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%0 Message-ID: <009FB4F3.F6B5770D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  _ In article <teqtpvf9t9s30f@news.supernews.com>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:e7 >mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu (Mihali Felipe) wrote in tC ><Pine.SOL.4.10.10104271702010.29366-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>:l >i >>8 >>On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: >>; >>> ... As an atheist, that makes me want to thump someone.h >>> K >>> Hey, choose to believe what you want, just let me do the same and don't < >>> call me an idiot if I don't make the same choice as you. >>I >>I believe it was Bertrand Russell who candidly wrote: "There is no God,s >  >-- snip --n >eH >I find it vaguely disturbing that a thread about Microsoft has evolved , >(degenerated?) into a discussion about God.  E ... but Bill is God, isn't he?  The press worships him.  Wall Street ME worships him.  Zit-faces, pubescent dweebs worship him.  He must be ar God.  ;)   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.@   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 16:45:10 +0100f  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%H Message-ID: <OF4FEA32E5.EC70C8E6-ON80256A3E.00565544@qedi.quintiles.com>  H And hence questions like which came first, the chicken or the paradox, I	 mean egg.a :-)y   Bob Koehler wrote/quoted : >>> 5 In article <3AED6DDA.532F265D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeia& <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:K > who created the universe ?  (I am not talking about the big bang, but thesB > universe as a whole which may have had many big bangs in various locations).u  E Why does there have to be a who?  If there is a who, then who created-
 him (her)? <<<-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 12:18:58 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> > Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%, Message-ID: <3AED906E.D970FCF7@videotron.ca>   Bob Koehler wrote:D > I don't think so, but what's wrong with parallel universes anyhow?  N Parallel universes are similar to a far away civilisation haveing seeded earthL with life. (adam and eve). It may explain where *we* cam from, but not where our forefathers came from.  K Similarly, if you blame the formation of our universe on the existence of aeL parallel universe that make have "leaked" some energy into out universe, you end up with 2 questions:  K who created that parallel universe ? And prior to that universe causing our,P universe to explode, our universe would have still existed (albeit being empty).  M I beleive that these questions should be asked to Micheal Capellas to see howsM he can deal with them. Perhaps he would do like James T Kirk and present thatoJ question to a wintel computer and watch the computer blow up in smoke with' "does not compute, abort retry ignore".h   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:28:26 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com>-> Subject: RE: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF0D9D1DD2@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]  = > universe to explode, our universe would have still existed 0 > (albeit being empty).e  C Right, the number of possible universes is determined by the sysgen. parameter UNIVLM.s   Regards,   Chris@  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerc Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");u ',   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2001 13:08:18 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%3 Message-ID: <51FKmxAUKCRo@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  \ In article <3AED906E.D970FCF7@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:E >> I don't think so, but what's wrong with parallel universes anyhow?  > P > Parallel universes are similar to a far away civilisation haveing seeded earthN > with life. (adam and eve). It may explain where *we* cam from, but not where > our forefathers came from. > M > Similarly, if you blame the formation of our universe on the existence of a N > parallel universe that make have "leaked" some energy into out universe, you > end up with 2 questions: > M > who created that parallel universe ? And prior to that universe causing our:R > universe to explode, our universe would have still existed (albeit being empty). >   9 	You can quickly de-volve to a bizarre belief system withh+ 	under-pinnings in anti-Christian teaching:   * http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/profile-s.htm  L Biographers have also uncovered Hubbard's involvement with the Occult, whichJ probably influenced his writings. Hubbard claimed to have had a near-deathM experience where he learned everything that ever puzzled the mind of man. ThesL notorious Satanist, Aleister Crowley, was Hubbard's mentor and he lived withH Crowley protege John Parsons, engaging in sex magic at their black magic; mansion hospice (Los Angeles T imes, 24 June 1990, p. A1). r   [snip and paste]  M Because of the hundreds of unique terms in Scientology, the theology is oftenwO confusing to those who are new to the subject, and to those who have studied iteM for many years! According to Scientology, Man is, at the core of his being, arK Thetan. Hubbard's Dianetics and Scientology: Technical Dictionary explains,nJ "The Thetan is immortal and is possessed of capabilities well in excess ofJ those hitherto predicted for man. In the final analysis what is this thingM called Thetan? It is simply you before you mocked yourself up and that is the M handiest definition I know of" (p. 432). The Thetan is thus that part of each5L individual which is immortal and which has become contaminated or debased by the influences of MEST.   M As another of Hubbard's books states, "By MEST is meant the physical universe<M of matter, energy, space, and time, as we know them in the physical sciences":M (Science of Survival, Book Two, p. 264). Not only is the Thetan immortal, butnL also, "Hubbard discovered the means of separating the human personality fromL the body and mind. The Thetan has the power to create MEST, that is, matter,I energy, space and time, or the basic stuff of existence" (Encyclopedia ofi% American Religions, Vol. 2, p. 222). n  L Hence, Hubbard and Scientology would have America and the World believe thatM Man is an immortal Thetan, able to create MEST. However, not all MEST is good I MEST. Sometimes MEST comes into conflict with the Thetan, resulting in ano engram.   N As Scientology endeavors to render this MEST mess intelligible they write, "AnN engram comes about when the individual organism suffers an intense impact withG MEST. Every moment of physical pain contains with it a partial or majoroK shutdown of the analytical function of the mind" (Science of Survival, BookuL Two, p. 28). Thus, an engram is a memory which is caused when any accidentalM event (be it major or minor) is experienced. However, at the instant that theOG engram is formed, often the person is unaware of the event. How is this 
 possible?    	---   	etc.r  C 	Pseudo-religion with massive sprinklings of scientific mumbo-jumbo ? 	to peel money out of your pockets.  Period.  Surely, alternate . 	universes buried in there somewhere too , eh?   				Robr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:11:46 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.coms> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%D Message-ID: <OFD0293C5A.D1CE48BB-ON88256A3E.005E47F2@foundation.com>  K Oh, so the morals I've always lived with are some kind of illusion, becausevF an atheist can't have any? Get /over/ yourself, and stop insulting me.   Shanen          F Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu> on 04/27/2001 05:18:58 PM  > Please respond to Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como cc:e  ? Subject:  Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%h      - On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, David J. Dachtera wrote:   D > If I'm not too badly mistaken, the Laws of Physics are accepted asF > universal. These are absolutes, are they not? Do atheists reject theH > absolute physical laws which are the foundation of all science? If so,. > then there can be neither a god nor science. >n, > ...which is itself an absolute, is it not?  E The question of "good or evil" isn't in the realm of physical laws. Im@ thought the context was clear that we were talking about "moral"
 absolutes.     - Mihali   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:32:19 -0400r2 From: Mihali Felipe <mihali@hess.geology.yale.edu>> Subject: Re: [OT] RE: 80% is Good Enough for M$. Now it's 100%M Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.10.10104301324220.19328-100000@rock.geology.yale.edu>u  6 On Mon, 30 Apr 2001 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:   > M > Oh, so the morals I've always lived with are some kind of illusion, becausenH > an atheist can't have any? Get /over/ yourself, and stop insulting me.  H Your morals and another person's is necessarily different, i.e. they areI relative. Whether you are insulted by that fact or not is not something I8E can do anything about. There can be no meaningful talk about absolute  morality without God.      - Mihali 	 @ +-------------------------------------+------------------------+@ | Mihali Felipe                       | mihali.felipe@yale.edu |@ | Yale University                     | OFFC (203)432-9808     |@ | Department of Geology and Geophysics| FAX  (203)432-3134     |@ | Box 208109                          |                        |@ | New Haven, CT  06520-8109           |                        |@ +-------------------------------------+------------------------+   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.241 ************************