1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 01 Aug 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 423       Contents:P Re: A new service tool that lets Digital's Service Customers talk to the Custome* Alpha Systems Available at an all time low( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate' Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate , Re: Apache on VMS - httpd.conf and .htaccess, Re: Apache on VMS - httpd.conf and .htaccess7 Compaq TCP/IP V5.1/VMS 7.3 Alpha SMTP.  Re: Steve Reece * Conference: CETS Update - www.CETS2001.com, DCPS v1.8 and missing characters on HP4050TN DECnet and M$ Windows / Re: Error Loading Proxies under TCPIP V5.1-ECO1 0 Re: Errors in executing the upgrade 7.2-1 to 7.3$ Re: Few People in DEC Understood.... Re: Goodbye, good friend DEC Re: Goodbye, good friend DEC Re: Goodbye, good friend DEC Re: Goodbye, good friend DEC Re: Goodbye, good friend DEC Re: Goodbye, good friend DEC Re: Goodbye, good friend DEC- Re: how to write sys$output without linefeed? 1 Re: IA64 v. Alpha published technical compoarison . Increase business with wealthy Russian clients2 Re: Increase business with wealthy Russian clients: Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: Re: No chance for OpenVMS)* Re: KZPCA SCSI adapter board for Alpha/VMS& Re: Minimum boot - disks not appearing# Re: More VMS news from The Inquirer # Re: More VMS news from The Inquirer 5 Re: Obsolete storage (was:Re: Compaq's Q2 financials) 5 Re: Obsolete storage (was:Re: Compaq's Q2 financials) E Re: Original Members of VMS (was Re: More VMS news from The Inquirer) E Re: Original Members of VMS (was Re: More VMS news from The Inquirer) 8 Printer settings was - Re: Print Queue's on IP Addresses Re: Quorum Disk Questions  Re: Quorum Disk Questions  R.I.P., C.J.L. Re: Steve Reece " Re: Sun goes after Alpha user base Re: The Alpha/IA64 Hybrid  Re: The Alpha/IA64 Hybrid  Re: The Alpha/IA64 Hybrid . Re: the tcp node name versus the vms node name. Re: the tcp node name versus the vms node name. Re: the tcp node name versus the vms node name. Re: the tcp node name versus the vms node name0 Re: Unsupported Conjecture:  Prune Q for Suitor?( Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CA( Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CA Re: What exactly is VMS? Re: What exactly is VMS? Re: What exactly is VMS? Re: What is CRD_Control? Re: What is CRD_Control? Re: What is CRD_Control? Re: What is CRD_Control? Re: What is CRD_Control? Re: What is CRD_Control? Re: WHO ARE YOU forum? Re: WHO ARE YOU forum? Re: WHO ARE YOU forum? Re: WHO ARE YOU forum? Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?I Re: [OT] Market corrections (was Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 03:57:45 GMT , From: "Jay E. Morris" <morrisj@epsilon3.com>Y Subject: Re: A new service tool that lets Digital's Service Customers talk to the Custome : Message-ID: <Z6L97.60015$v5.9270512@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  N In message <5a85bce2.0107260653.15be936b@posting.google.com>, svieth@wi.rr.com (Scott Vieth) wrote: > All: > D > I was doing a little house-cleaning at work today and found a cuteE > little cardboard flyer from Digital that talks about a new piece of 4 > "software that lets your computer do the talking." > F > According to the flyer, this new software lets you contact Digital'sF > Customer Support Center for help with a system or software problem. G > Supposedly, there's  "computer-to-computer communication between your F > site and Digital".  (How on earth do you get two *computers* to talk > to each other?)  > E > Best of all, this new software is free.  I just need to return this A > nifty little card by March 20, 1990.  Hmmmmm... Should I choose  > Magtape or TK50? :^) > C > I'm going to have to save this little beauty for my personal "old  > computer stuff" museaum.  J Well it's not as old as that but I came across my "I support Alpha" buttonJ I got at one of the trailer shows when Alpha first came out.  Also got theK mouse pad from that stuck in a box somewhere.  Think I'll wear my button to 	 CETS2001.    --  4 Jay E. Morris Epsilon 3 Productions www.epsilon3.com@ Posted with Ink Spot (for Windows CE) from DejaVu Software, Inc.8 Usenet wherever you are - http://www.dejavusoftware.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:57:35 -0400 9 From: "D.B. Turner, islandco.com" <dbturner@islandco.com> 3 Subject: Alpha Systems Available at an all time low / Message-ID: <tmekiu2en94315@corp.supernews.com>    In stock   Alpha PWS433au 128MB Memory
 4x SCSI CDROM  4GB UW SCSI Disk QLogic Wide SCSI Ctr 10/100 Ethernet  S3Trio64 2MB Video Card  Keyboard 3 Button Mouse  
 Price $699# Refurbished with 12 months warranty    Alpha PWS500au	 2MB Cache  256MB Memory 9.1GB 10K U2 SCSI Disk U2 SCSI Controller PCI 32Bit Permedia 2 Video 8MB SGRAM PCI 12x SCSI CDROM" SCSI2 Controller Narr. CD and Tape 10/100 Ethernet  Keyboard & 3 Button Mouse   # Refurbished with 12 months warranty   B Upgrade from the 433 or 500Mhz to 600Mhz system for only $199 more   David Turner   We sell Alpha's & Alpha Parts  http://www.islandco.com  sales@islandco.com Island Computers US Corp.  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:44:03 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate 8 Message-ID: <0m1emtornc6n5fr7c02k31sk10qcoqvjc6@4ax.com>  , On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:07:03 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   
 >jlsue wrote: F >> One thing to remember, too, on the IA64-based servers is that we'llI >> have experience from both our Intel-based servers group as well as our  >> Alpha-based servers group.  > N >My fear is that NT's higher volumes will dictate the shape and quality of theM >boxes. Dell won't have to be too concerned about VMS , TRU64 and potentially N >NSK, and will be able to spew out cheaper IA64s servers than Compaq. So guessM >what sort of pressure will be put on those who build Compaq's IA64 servers ?   > Again, I believe the high-end servers to be very good quality,D regardless of OS.  Once architectures are designed for full systems,5 each OS group (win, tru64, vms, and nsk) will have to C develop/validate/modify/test the drivers & configurations that will  work and be supported .    >  > & >> Also, as far as OpenVMS systems areB >> concerned, you will have the same, in-depth testing process for6 >> IA64-based OpenVMS systems as we do now for Alpha.  > L >At what point will remaining customers know whether Compaq intends to buildM >one server for all OS, or whether VMS will have its own servers ? On the one M >hand, we see messages of VMS booting on "vanilla" IA64s, and on the other we N >see a message such as yours that indicates that VMS will run on highly tested> >quality machines and those two don't necessarily go together.  B First, I have absolutely *no* knowledge of what's going on in this? area, but you're comparing two completely different statements.   9 Saying that our engineering groups will *support* certain F configurations is not eliminating the potential for someone to run VMS on "vanilla" ia64 systems.  E Remember, OpenVMS only supported certain SCSI drives and controllers, F but some people got away with using others (and some people got bit as well).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:10:12 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate 8 Message-ID: <ge2emtc5vgui7hehath0uf68c5c2pbo7km@4ax.com>  3 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:40:09 +0100, andrew harrison ! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:    > 
 >jlsue wrote:  >>     >>  B >> So what you're saying is that Sun architects designed the cacheA >> problem in there on purpose?!!!  Well, that certainly is news.  >>  H >> The difference, for those who can actually read for comprehension, isG >> that trade-offs were made for the GS systems, these were well known, 6 >> and they were also documented for everyone to read. >>   > 7 >Bullshit. The WildFire memory performance white paper  4 >compares the local/remote memory latency with that 3 >of an E10K  and concludes that the performance is  1 >very competitive. Sadly the number used for the  6 >E10K's memory latency was made up and the real number7 >if it had been used would have made the WildFire look  2 >much less good, how could this mistake have been 
 >made ????  D I see, and nobody could go and check these numbers?  As far as I canD see, there was no coverup.  I'd also bet that they took numbers fromE Sun that were publicly available at the time.  In any event, at worst F it's almost as bad as claiming that they "put the dot in '.com'".  But
 not quite.  > And it's interesting how you conveniently don't comment on the: discussion of actual bad design coverup that causes system availability problems.   > 7 >> Compare that to Sun's handling of the cache problem.  >>  ' >> Put that in your cache and smoke it.  >>   > 9 >How adult. Had you ever considered the fact that Compaqs 8 >treatment of their customers over Alpha is in different9 >league to Sun's handling of the ecache problem, which we 
 >have fixed.    D You're absolutely correct.  We outright documented that the "remote"> memory access would be 3x performance hit *before* they bought? systems...  It was available for system designers everywhere to  review.   E And Sun told everyone that the cache would be a problem *before* they E bought systems.   Oh wait, only if they signed an NDA first, and then A only after they actually bought the systems, and then again, only  after they had some downtime.      >>  < >> When you get all of your stuff 100% correct, let me know. >>   > 7 >At the moment the onus is on you, you havn't managed a 8 >single posting to this thread that hasn't contained at ; >least one glaring factual error. What was you excuse over  : >your IBM FUD, it was a long time ago and you forgot. Did ' >you ever consider checking your facts.   C I say the same about you.  You've managed to squirm around but only D take bits and pieces of truth to weave a long, drawn-out, very inept. story of what you think Compaq's problems are.  5 And coming from where you do, that is definitely FUD.    > G >> Yeah... yeah.... yeah.  Rubbish yourself.  Did they submit benchmark I >> results?  Yes.  Did it give *anyone* the ability to lookup and compare % >> against other results?  Yes again.  >>   > : >Really  Compaq  published a performance white paper that ? >included graphs of results that strangely omitted the results  > >posted by other vendors. Any customer reading the white paper< >would think that there was no need to go and look on SAP's ? >web site or Oracle's web site for the actual table of results  B >they would expect that Compaqs table included all the competitive	 >results.   % Sure.  Whatever.  Only in your world.      > I >> doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence).  The funny thing is, I'd F >> bet Sun marketing folks are just pissed-off that they didn't try itH >> first (or maybe they have, I don't care to look up all Sun claims for >> the last 5 years).  >>   > > >Don't try to attribute what may well be standard practice in  >Compaq onto other vendors.   D Oh.  Right.  And who 'put the dot in .com'?  Sun?  Really?  Did theyC publish white papers claiming this?  Did they produce documentation ? that proved that nobody else was responsible?  Did they include  information on all competitors?    Yeah, right.     >> >6 >> >Really you are mistaken again, Compaq have made no4 >> >such disclosure, in fact they have withdrawn the9 >> >TPC-C result that illustrates the performance penalty 7 >> >to be paid. far from being honest about the penalty 6 >> >Compaq have done their best to hide it from sight. >>  D >> Ha!  This is typical Andrew, once again.  Just make any claim youG >> please.  Have they submitted TPC results?  Yes!  I just checked, and - >> the GS320 is in the top 5 TPC result (#4).  >>   > A >You really are a stunningly bad advocate for Compaq why are you  9 >bothering. The current TPC-C result used OPS as did the  = >previous result. However the first result released and then  8 >withdrawn after a week by Compaq did not and from that @ >result it was possible to measure the performance differential A >between running an app configured to get arround the deficiences + >of the WildFire NUMA architecture and not.   ; The fact is, our customer says I need a box that can do 'x' F performance, and I have $y to spend... can you help me?  The answer is a resounding 'yes'!   C You can go on-and-on all you want, but it proves nothing other than  you can type profusely.    > = >If you don't understand any of this then just ask, it would  8 >be better than flailing about wildly as you are at the  >moment. >   > That's funny.  I don't think anyone in this group is as wildly flailing as you are.   > A >> >You misunderstand again, the information relating to supposed H >> >ISV enthusiasm for OpenVMS either came from Compaq employees or from? >> >sources who claimed to have it second hand from Compaq. The < >> >ISV's in both of the major cases I can think of were notB >> >involved at all in the dissemination of incorrect information. >> > >>  B >> Or, you've merely inferred this to be so  because of the actual/ >> outcome.  At this point, who knows for sure.  > : >Why not do some research, it painfully lacking from your < >posts, look in Deja and check on the statements of support ; >for Galaxies/OpenVMS that apparently came from Sybase and  9 >Oracle. It would not be hard and you would then at least  >have some content to post.   B If you actually posted anything of depth that worth researching, IB might spend the time.  But most of your arguments have been pretty shallow to date.  D I sincerely doubt that *anybody* buys systems based on white papers.E And only a few will purchase them based on benchmarks alone.  Most of C those who have invested in the GS systems have been very happy with 0 the result.  And OPS hasn't scared many of them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:26:37 -0700 & From: name99@mac.com (Maynard Handley)1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate 7 Message-ID: <name99-3107011326370001@handma2.apple.com>   C In article <oMj87.274$Yx2.3846@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" $ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  M > The stock market is pure black magic, legalized gambling.  It may once have = > had some rational basis, but that has long since been lost.  > L > The board of directors of a corporation have a fiduciary responsibility toL > the shareholders of the company to work in their best interest (which theyL > have been elected to represent).  A company has no legal requirement to beI > profitable, many startup companies expect to lose money for a number of K > years - Yahoo for example has always been a loser.  Many companies return H > some of the profits to the shareholders as dividends - but there is noK > requirement to do so.  Most stocks (I dare say) have no dividend.  People J > buy non-dividend stocks based on some mythical, personal, or mathmaticalK > evaluation of how valuable the company is (or future expectations of it's L > value - like all the dot coms), and then "bet" that other people will alsoL > wanyt to buy the stock, so the law of supply and demand of available stock* > will cause it's price to rise (or fall). > K > At some level, there is the inherent worth of the company - it's book (or L > liquidation) value -- but it isn't uncommon to see companies trading belowJ > book in a down market.  A useful number is the price/earnings ratio - ofL > course, I've never figured out how you determine reasonable values - 10 is> > better than 50, but how do you determine what is overvalued?  E A good starting point is to actually go out and read an academic book E about finance rather than posting ridiculous exaggerations on usenet.   H A company represents a stream of revenue over time, no more or less thanG the stream of revenue from a loan or a mortgage. The main difference is2J that while the revenue stream from a loan or mortgage is very well to wellI characterized (subject only to uncertainty like refinancing), the revenue > stream from a company is somewhat to extremely unpredictable. H The value of a company at any time is essentially what the value of thatH revenue stream is believed to be by enough people who are willing to payH for that belief. (There may be many other people who do NOT believe thatJ the revenue stream is worth that much, and they may or may not be correct," but their opinion doesn't matter.)E As that revenue stream flows into the company, it may be disbursed torJ shareholders as dividends, or it may be used to grow the company business,E or it may be used to invest in other companies, or it may be used for5E empire building to grow the company into unrelated businesses. All ofpD these behaviors will have apologists; some have justification in taxG avoidance. Any halfway decent finance book will tell you about why theyCH occur and when they usually are or are not a good deal for shareholders.  G The bottom line is that the concept of company valuations is not absurdvI and meaningless. There may of coure be situations where a large number ofsJ people agree that the valuations others place on a company are ridiculous,/ but reasonable people are allowed to disagree.  G If the stockmarket is gambling then, approached intelligently by peopleaH who understand how the system works, it is like being on the casino sideC of gambling. Of course, like anything else, jumping in clueless andeI assuming what you hear on CNNfn will make you rich is sheer stupidity, nooD different from deciding to take up flying by simply walking into theD cockpit of a plane and deciding to play with the controls---sure theG inbuilt stability of the plane and the safety features will protect youuI most of the time---but when something unexpected happens the results willA not be pretty.   Maynardh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:44:25 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>a1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate * Message-ID: <3B6726B8.752EA11C@virgin.net>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  E > I'm not sure how you got a license for a machine that VMS has never? > supported...  J This was true until Alpha/NT was dropped. There was a time limit where youI could actually get a free VMS (or Tru64) license in exchange. Even if VMShO wouldn't actually boot on it! After that expired the policy changed so that youiE could buy a license for Tru64 or NT if the machine could boot it. The O alternative for Compaq was to tell users the machines they just bought were nowOF completeley useless. A letter went out at the time as well to Alpha/NT2 customers (and yes we were users) explaining this.  N VMS/License manager recognises the machine as a 164 LX Alpha workstation class- system requiring 12 units for a base license.j  O I think support for VMS to boot on this system was added in 7.2-1 but you couldr, probably check that more accurately than me.  I Island also sell the 164 LX with updated PROMS, pre-loaded with VMS and a3H commercial license (or a hobby config) and Compaq have raised no issues.  O If Compaq really want I can send the license back, get a refund and won't spendrN more on a fully supported system. The user can make do with what we've already got for development.  N So you see low cost VMS systems will sell more licenses without hitting higherN end sales where of course we need a fully supported system in the first place.7 And hopefully that's what we'll get with the IA64 port.b --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:50:51 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>e1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate * Message-ID: <3B67283A.29128B10@virgin.net>   jlsue wrote:  ; > Saying that our engineering groups will *support* certainhH > configurations is not eliminating the potential for someone to run VMS > on "vanilla" ia64 systems. >mG > Remember, OpenVMS only supported certain SCSI drives and controllers,hH > but some people got away with using others (and some people got bit as > well).  R Yes I'd have been extremely surprised if DEC had ever refused to sell me a licenseR for a VAX with 3rd party memory. Maybe be reluctant  to look at the problem unlessQ it couuld be duplicated on supported kit and that's fair. But third party devices- were extremely common.  P I would see it logical to allow VMS to be licensed on any IA64 system capable of> running it. What you formally support it on is another matter. --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:30:40 -0400x- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>I1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicatee, Message-ID: <3B675BBF.3104DB1D@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:rR > I would see it logical to allow VMS to be licensed on any IA64 system capable of@ > running it. What you formally support it on is another matter.  N Which probably will mean that Compaq will have "interesting" rules in order toK get software support because if they don't, the phone lines will be full oftN people who have VMS problems because they are running VMS on a cheap IA64 that wasn't intended on running VMS.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 01:42:16 GMTn( From: jeffreyb@gwu.edu (Jeffrey Boulier)0 Subject: Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate3 Message-ID: <Y7J97.753$We7.5817@grover.nit.gwu.edu>e  2 In article <996435766.338869@haldjas.folklore.ee>,1 Sander Vesik  <sander@haldjas.folklore.ee> wrote:1K >Strange, I thought 1929 was teh year the US govermnent discovered the hardsG >way that having some regulations that are enforced on what gets listed F >and just what can the company founders do with the money they receive >from the shareholders...   I More traditional "lessons learned" about 1929 would be along the lines of'I "contracting the money supply when your economy is heading into recessionnG is Not Bright". The federal reserve hiked interest rates in response to G the stockmarket crash. In fairness to the fed chairmen and governers ofaI the board at the time (Roy Young, Eugene Black, Eugene Meyer), statistics E on economic activity were very poor -- the fed's data showed positivedJ growth, albeit trending down. Modern measures would have shown the economy
 in recession.v  E Of course, this leaves aside all the other events that occured aroundnG then, from tarriff and tax hikes to bad weather. Blaming Young is stillaI popular. Just like blaming Compaq's marketing for the decline and fall ofs- Alpha/NT. (Yes! We are nearly back on topic.)    			Yours Truly,p$ 		Jeffrey "B.Sc. Econ, '02?" Boulier -- t Community Source & Support   ------=>Prometheus<=------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:49:08 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>5 Subject: Re: Apache on VMS - httpd.conf and .htaccess 6 Message-ID: <1010731152914.36974A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  " On 31 Jul 2001, Nick Paszty wrote:   > hello. > F > we're running vms 7.1 on an alphaserver 800 5/333 and have installedE > apache 1.3.12.  i am having a couple of problems with the dopcumentn6 > root direcive and the htpasswd.exe_alpha executable. > : > 1.  when i modify the document root directives from this > & > DocumentRoot "/apache$common/htdocs"% > <Directory "/apache$common/htdocs">c >  > to this values, i get a 404. > " > DocumentRoot "$3$dra4:[ht.docs]"! > <Directory "$3$dra4:[ht.docs]">e  C Not sure, but did you try Unix-style syntax?  (This works for other1 things.)   DocumentRoot "$3$dra4/ht/docs" <Directory "$3$dra4/ht/docs">n   > G > i've installed apache on solaris, hpux and win32 and have never had an6 > problem with changing the document root.  any ideas? > E > 2. i'm also having trouble creating a .htpasswd file by running theh  > htpasswd.exe_alpha executable. >  > > run htpasswd.exe_alpha xdssi > H > this should create a .htpasswd file for user xdss and would prompt for: > a password. it seems that no matter what i do i get this > B > %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer > parameters > D > i have run .htpasswd on solaris, hpux and win32 and have not had a) > problem with the executable. any ideas?e  E VMS is not Unix.  The run command doesn't take parameters, except thet name of the program to run.r  C If you want to pass command-line parameters to a program, there arewC several ways to do it, but the easiest (for C programs which expecttF the command line to be available in argc & argv[] passed to the "main"@ routine), is to define a foreign command to point to the program and run it that way:  , $ htpasswd == "$dev:[dir]htpasswd.exe_alpha" $ htpasswd xdss   @ This is all covered in the FAQ.  See topic DCL1.  (BTW, you needA the device and directory names when defining the foreign command,"! since it defaults to sys$system:)r   HTHh  	 > thanks,i >  > nick   --   John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:11:01 GMTc From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>5 Subject: Re: Apache on VMS - httpd.conf and .htaccessa' Message-ID: <3B671DD5.1FDE7B79@home.nl>q   Nick Paszty wrote:   > hello. >rF > we're running vms 7.1 on an alphaserver 800 5/333 and have installedE > apache 1.3.12.  i am having a couple of problems with the dopcumento6 > root direcive and the htpasswd.exe_alpha executable. >r: > 1.  when i modify the document root directives from this >r& > DocumentRoot "/apache$common/htdocs"% > <Directory "/apache$common/htdocs">c >w > to this values, i get a 404. >o" > DocumentRoot "$3$dra4:[ht.docs]"! > <Directory "$3$dra4:[ht.docs]">n   Try "/$3$dra4/ht/docs"  D Directory specifications should be in Unix syntax. In VMS syntax the; original directive would have been "apache$common:[htdocs]"        >  > G > i've installed apache on solaris, hpux and win32 and have never had ao6 > problem with changing the document root.  any ideas? >gE > 2. i'm also having trouble creating a .htpasswd file by running the   > htpasswd.exe_alpha executable. >  > > run htpasswd.exe_alpha xdssf >sH > this should create a .htpasswd file for user xdss and would prompt for: > a password. it seems that no matter what i do i get this >yB > %DCL-W-MAXPARM, too many parameters - reenter command with fewer > parameters >oD > i have run .htpasswd on solaris, hpux and win32 and have not had a) > problem with the executable. any ideas?s >s	 > thanks,d >  > nick   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:14:23 +0100a1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>m@ Subject: Compaq TCP/IP V5.1/VMS 7.3 Alpha SMTP.  Re: Steve Reece6 Message-ID: <3B673BCF.4B62175E@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  E I'm glad someone here noticed too - I seem to have worked out what is 7 happening (or at least what I believe to be happening).e  H It seems that once I have a signature file configured within VMS mail itF prevents the receipt of mail as either the smtp processing or VMS mail? itself tries to put the signature file on the incoming message.uG Because it screws up the file specification it generates an error whichh< causes the mail to be returned to the sender (cue Elvis....)  1 For reference (to those that may be interested) : H OpenVMS Alpha v7.3 with Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS v5.1 on a DEC; 3000 model 600 using a modem on tta1 connecting to the ISP.   H Thanks to all those who noticed the problem and pointed it out either by newsgroup or telephone.t   Steve.     Alan Greig wrote:l >  > Brian Tillman wrote: > , > > >---- Transcript of session follows ---- > > >hI > > >%%%%%%%%%%%%                   30-JUL-2001 23:16:35.22  %%%%%%%%%%%%uF > > >%MAIL-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$LOGIN:[SYSMGR]SIGN.TXT as inputF > > >-RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for > > >operation > > > > > This is generated on the sender's end, not the recipient's > >  > I > Nope although I can see why you think so. Only the receiving system wastJ > running VMS as it was sent from a PC. Steve's ISP is Demon and. they areH > an unusual ISP in that you can have a fixed domain name and address asI > standard. They also have a modified SMTP/POP relayer which you can kickPI > into life from the far end. I'm guessing Steve may have some additionalnK > processing in DCL as messages go through and that's generating the error.pJ > Here's the full bounce text which makes it clear it is from his machine: >   > From: UCX_SMTP@ipl.demon.co.uk > Subject:  Returned mailr > To: a.greig@virgin.net > ) > ---- Transcript of session follows ----c > F > %%%%%%%%%%%%                   30-JUL-2001 23:16:35.22  %%%%%%%%%%%%C > %MAIL-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$LOGIN:[SYSMGR]SIGN.TXT as inputtC > -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type foro > operations > ' > ---- Recipients of this delivery ----b > $ > <system@ipl.demon.co.uk> (bounced) > " > ---- Unsent message follows ---- > E > > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com E > > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com A > > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevento@ > > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"< > >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company >  > -- > Alan Greig   -- tG "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeeE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.pA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"u% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 00:47:47 GMTa& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>3 Subject: Conference: CETS Update - www.CETS2001.com 7 Message-ID: <TkI97.1126$wP.128180@typhoon1.gnilink.net>y   Dear Fellow IT Professionalr  J I am writing this letter to share with you some insight into the technicalF content of Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium 2001, to be held thisK September in Anaheim, California (http://www.CETS2001.com). During the last.K several months I have personally spent over 200 hours helping to design andtI review the content for this Symposium. This was done on a volunteer basis-C because I truly believe that, as an IT professional who is activelycK designing and delivering technical solutions for my customers, this type ofeI in-depth education is required for us all. Technology is changing so fast.L today that every shortcut that helps us understand new technology and how toE quickly deploy it is invaluable. I feel confident in saying that thisgL Symposium will provide you the insight needed to stay current and deploy new- technology more quickly and with less effort.r  C Design by Technical IT Professionals for Technical IT Professionalsp  L As a volunteer for the Symposium's content core team, I have seen first handG that planning and building the content has been a genuine collaborationcL involving the Compaq development engineers, Compaq customers like you and I,H Compaq certified professionals, Compaq solution partners, and the CompaqA field System Engineers. This is a collaboration of very technical L individuals seeking to deliver one thing - news that you can really use whenH you return home from the Symposium. My past experience has always provenK that the week I spend at the Symposium saves me more than a month of effortlI when I return. The engineers give me the insight into the technology, andtJ fellow customers, developers, and Compaq field people give hints and ideasI about how to deploy the technology that I would have had to learn throughr trial and error otherwise.   Itanium Contento  L There is a lot of noise and misinformation circulating about Compaq's recentJ announcement of transitioning from Alpha to Itanium. We have just finishedK reviewing the plans for Itanium session content at the Symposium. I believe E that Compaq is committed to fully covering the Itanium issues at thisnK Symposium. For details, please view one of these documents, available after  August 1st:u  / http://www.cets2001.com/privatedocs/Itanium.pdfn   or  / http://www.cets2001.com/privatedocs/Itanium.txth  . Techworks Bootcamps - A fast track to learning  A We are offering something new at this Symposium. If you are an ITrI professional experienced on one platform and now need to support another, I these Bootcamps are designed for you. They are offered the weekend beforeuL for a nominal fee. They are found on the Seminar tab during the registrationE process (note: if you have already registered you can use the "UpdateiI Registration" feature on www.CETS2001.com to add these). We believe theseeC intense Bootcamps will be the fast track to learning a "new to you"y	 platform.r  I 1459 Tru64/TruClusters 101 Bootcamp (Saturday and Sunday)     Larry Cleggh% An Intro for the OpenVMS Professionalr Rochelle Lauer  E 1639 Exchange 2000 Bootcamp (Saturday and Sunday)                Mark  England 0 Exchange 2000 for the Exchange 5.x Administrator  G 1592 PMDF 101 Bootcamp (Saturday and Sunday)                      Stevea Arnold( PMDF for Mail and Systems Administrators  L 1640 Windows 2000 Bootcamp (Saturday and Sunday)                Aric Bernard/ Windows 2000 for the Windows NT 4 Administratorg  I 1578 OpenVMS Systems Management 101 Bootcamp (Sat and Sun) David Dachterav, Intro for the Windows NT / UNIX Adminstrator	 Rob Lyonso  % 1455 SAN 101 Bootcamp (Saturday only)s
 Pete Sivia Intro to Storage Area Networks Stan Oleszkowicz  % 1577 SAN 101 Bootcamp (Saturday only) 
 Pete Sivia Intro to Storage Area Networks Stan Oleszkowicz  2 Seminars - A one day classroom learning experience  G Some subjects require more than a 75-minute treatment. This is what therL extra cost weekend seminars are about. These seminars drill down in-depth onF a very focused subject such as SANs or Wireless. They are found on theF Seminar tab during the registration process (note: if you have alreadyL registered you can use the "Update Registration" feature on www.CETS2001.com3 to add these. For more information please download:i  4     http://www.cets2001.com/privatedocs/Seminars.pdf       or  4     http://www.cets2001.com/privatedocs/Seminars.txt  9 Innovation - The most valuable return from this Symposium<  J This Symposium provides the critical overview training needed on the stateG of the practice of technologies. However, it also submerses you into an L environment where there are IT professionals looking at this technology fromJ 4 different viewpoints - Vendor Developer, Deploying Customer, ApplicationJ Developer, and Support Engineer. This creates an incredible greenhouse forI developing new and innovative ways for you to apply this technology. ThatoI innovation almost always results from seeing what the developers intendedt@ when they designed the technology and how others outside of yourF organization are deploying that technology. This face to face personalE interaction environment allows for a unique form of communication thei" Internet or manuals can't provide.  H I hope you can join me and the other experienced technologists at CompaqK Enterprise Technical Symposium 2001 this September in Anaheim. Remember thed? early bird registration fee is not available after August 11th.h   Clay Dentond Vice President Encompass, A Compaq User Group  @ Executive Sponsor for Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium 2001 Clay.Denton@CETS2001.com  6 A PDF version of the registration kit is available at:6 http://www.cets2001.com/privatedocs/CETS2001RegKit.pdf   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:30:15 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>n5 Subject: DCPS v1.8 and missing characters on HP4050TNe8 Message-ID: <9k74j3$9fn$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   When we issue the following:  C $ print file.txt /param=page_orient=landscape/layup=lps$singleholes   8 we noticed that the characters "y" and "_" do not print.  C We wonder what font is being used when the above command is issued.   % Printer firmware is at  MB6.27 and 28>   TIA,   Dave...    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:39:26 GMTt  From: news@knm.yi.org (M.London) Subject: DECnet and M$ Windows3 Message-ID: <3b670961.23789081@news.btinternet.com>y   Hi,tF   I'm just tinkering with my VAXen (MV3100 and MV3300) here in VAX/VMSD 5.3/5.4 (I've not really had all that much experience with VMS yet),F and I was trying to work out the best way of getting a TCP/IP stack on- there so I can get it doing something useful.nC   I had a little play with DECnet on linux/i386 but didn't get verydF far. I just wondered if it might be easier to grab something to run on my one and only doze box. &   Any ideas quite happily welcomed :&)A   BTW, the box I'm playing with mainly is a MV3300 with 28M and ah1 couple of DSSI drives in (RF31's) with a TK70 :&)-  D   Replies by email are prefered - I'm not so good at checking usenet :&)p   --Matt   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 01:12:14 GMTD) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)G8 Subject: Re: Error Loading Proxies under TCPIP V5.1-ECO11 Message-ID: <3b675760.446149559@news.wcc.govt.nz>t   Robbie,f  ; This may or may not be a relation to the same problem I was  experiencing with TCPIP 5.1n  E After an undefined network error all my Development TCPIP 5.1 systems  would hang.e  ? Logged it with Compaq who, after analysing several crash dumps,uD indicated the problem lies with the way TCPIP 5.1 handles some error	 messages.-D I received a save-set of some new images from Compaq that contained:  E TCPIP$BGDRIVER.EXE_ECO_X_V_V51;1              4   9-JUL-2001 10:51:10iE TCPIP$INETACP.EXE_ECO_X_V_V51;1             178   9-JUL-2001 10:50:07e) TCPIP$INTERNET_SERVICES.EXE_ECO_X_V_V51;1a  E However, before I could implement these the problem seemed to go away9D of its own accord. Because I couldn't reproduce the network error atE will I have no way of testing these images. Another factor was that ItE updated the version of DECamds I was running. After updating AMDS therF the problems stopped. But because I can't knowingly generate the errorC I still don't know for sure that what was originally generating thes network error has stopped.  B The saveset I got was AH226326 which indicates the call number (as& logged with Compaq, Sydney, Australia.  B Lots of ifs buts and maybes but, try upgrading amds, say to 7.3 ifD you're running it. If not, try getting hold of these updated images.   Rob.  A On 31 Jul 2001 09:29:07 -0700, rrb35146@yahoo.com (Robbie Benton)e wrote:  F >I have installed (not an upgrade) OpenVMS V7.3 and TCPIP V5.1(ECO1). C >After configuring TCP/IP (but adding no proxies), the network codea >starts as expected. >e; >However, if I stop TCPIP, and issue the following command:' >aE >  $ TCPIP ADD PROXY SYSTEM /GID=1 /UID=4 /HOST=A0SC01 /REMOTE=SYSTEMk >/PERMANENT  >	D >and restart TCPIP, the system will "hang-up" (requiring a ^P at the6 >console to get its attention) when executing the line >- >  $ TCPIP LOAD PROXY  >e7 >located in the file SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$START_PROXY.COM.H >gG >Anyone have any ideas of what may be happening here?  I have done thisDG >for several versions of OpenVMS/UCX, but this is the first time I havet >had any problems in this area.  >n >Robbie.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:48:53 -0400v, From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>9 Subject: Re: Errors in executing the upgrade 7.2-1 to 7.3 8 Message-ID: <n9vdmtkgklnfpirvav6mqq7026did2db23@4ax.com>  B On 31 JUL 2001 16:04:24 GMT, Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:    E >Forgive me for sticking my head in where it probably doesn't belong..C >But what would happen if Theo does a PRODUCT REMOVE of FORRTL (andrD >possibly Fortran) and then a "fresh" install?  That would basically( >implement what the future PCSI will do.  D No, because PCSI would see that the modules were still "owned" by atD least one installed product, VMS, and would not actually delete them$ when the FORRTL product was removed.  E BTW, the Fortran (compiler) product is independent of this issue - it. involves the FORRTL kit only.a    - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)o Fortran Engineering * High-Performance Technical Computing Group& Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:41:55 +0100a1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>e- Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood....'6 Message-ID: <3B673433.2D991DE0@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  > (This may be where ALL-IN-1 came into this discussion but....)H Isn't ALL-IN-1 still winning new customers like the US Government in theF form of the White House mail system?  I thought they'd installed a newF GS series system running ALL-IN-1 for handling mail since this does itC more reliably than the Microsoft system they migrated onto and then"  migrated off to return to VMS...  ? You don't get much more real than the US Government, do you Mr.d President (Clinton, that is)?t   Steve.     Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > L > It was... ugly.  Especially in the beginning.  At least one of the reasonsK > was that it had to accomplish everything it did without any (or grudging)- > help from engineering. > L > But frankly I don't care much about how elegant it might or might not have4 > been - it solved real problems for real customers. > ? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3B6590FB.4F1408D9@videotron.ca>.... > >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:3N > >> Was it ugly?  You bet.  But what it did was solve a lot of problems for aI > >> lot of customers.  *It* sold the systems.  Yup... JUST LIKE WINDOWS.  > >hN > >Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. ALL-IN-1 was a large application withE > >lots and lots of files. By VMS standards, it was huge, compared toa > compilers,J > >TPU etc. So I can understand that many would have found A1 to be a huge > ugly monster.d > >tL > >But when those engineers didn't realise is that part of the reason A1 was > soL > >big is that it shipped with about half of the source code which customersJ > >could then copy or modify. The A1 engineers also devised a logical nameI > >structure that allowed you to store your changed modules in a separateoN > >directory which would not be overwritten the next time you upgraded A1, andM > >you could then run a report that would show you how each customized modulel# > >would work with the new version.  > >aJ > >However, to the casual observer, the large number of directories seemed > like aJ > >big mess, but once you understood why they were there, it made a lot of > senseo! > >and was in fact quite elegant.h   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like-E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"e   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jul 2001 18:05:44 GMT( From: dek@cgl.ucsf.edu (David Konerding)% Subject: Re: Goodbye, good friend DEC 7 Message-ID: <slrn9mdsro.2etu.dek@socrates.cgl.ucsf.edu>s  L On 31 Jul 2001 10:08:39 -0700, David Masterson <dmaster@synopsys.com> wrote:B >>>>>> "David" == David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >  >> Alan Greig wrote: > * >>> Something else to wake Compaq up with? > E >> Doubt it. We've already tried thermo-nuclear, and that didn't evenbF >> leave a mark on 'em, snoring away like Old Sol had gone white dwarfD >> already (how they survived red giant, I dunno, but there they are >> and there they'll stay!). > G > They probably learned from the black hole attack on Digital when theyh? > dumped the DEC-20 and Tops-20 in favor of the Vax-11 and VMS.u  H I have very fond memories of the DEC-20 and TOPS-20 since those were theJ first "real big" machines I used (started on apples/commodores, eventuallyM got an account on the local university's DEC-20).  It was really funny movingIP from the world of having a small PC in front of me with color graphics and soundH (as limited as the Apple IIe's color and sound were ;-) ) to a black andM white terminal.  But I did like the idea that many people were using the samegG machine and could communicate with each other using mail and messaging.MI I didn't have nearly as much fun when the uni "upgraded" to VAX/VMS and IlK started using that.  While the help system was quite good (I learned prettyyM much all of DCL and the commands from reading it) I found DCL quite annoying,eI and when I was developing C software (I wrote a MUD client called 'DINK', I based on 'TINT') hated the arcane syntax needed to link dynamically (with F a disk quota of only 250 blocks, it was hard to link my app staticallyL against the C runtime).  Further, I disliked the [DRIVENAME]:filename setup.N As soon as I could, I escaped to unix (telnet across the country to an accountG a friend set up at another university) and a few years later discoveredn Linux.  Q As an aside, does anybody remember the game 'Dungen' (I think it was deliberatelyeT mispelled) from the TOPS-20 systems?  Even better, does anybody have the source code4 ported to Unix?  I'd love to play that one again :-)   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:59:00 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>% Subject: Re: Goodbye, good friend DECv8 Message-ID: <8m8emtganijb5gpma5l32ibueqm1a7lgeb@4ax.com>  3 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:01:23 +0100, andrew harrison ! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:    >T
 >jlsue wrote:s >> eF >> On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:37:08 +0100, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>	 >> wrote:  >>     >> >H >> >But that's partly the point. Unless you are still actively using VMSJ >> >then VAX, VMS,  DCL, and now Alpha *are* history. The fact that VMS isI >> >still living seems to be a secret Compaq would like to keep to itself-" >> >and a few remaining customers. >> >F >> >If you read the followups a number of people point out that VMS is >> >still with us. >> wB >> And, in fact, so is Alpha.  And it will be for quite some time.F >> Do say that you won't buy the best system capability merely becauseF >> you may have to migrate in 8 years is silly.  The Alpha EV7 systems >> will be around awhile., >  >h> >Who could ignore the unintentional irony of you starting your >response with "And, in Fact".  E Of course, they only reason you try to push this issue is because youiC don't have any stronger argument.  And there's no way for anyone to-B disprove your statements because they're all based on just as much> conjecture and speculation - or, most likely, fondest desires. >t> >Is the may have to migrate in 8 years Compaqs date for ending? >support on Alpha or was it just a number you plucked randomly   >from the air.  E The point of the comment is that you will be able to get EV7 systems,nF when they arrive, and they'll be extrememly good performers.  I'm sureA they'll be the top performer, but you'll find some way to "prove"oF something that hasn't come to pass yet.  But anyway, people won't have? to migrate off of them right away - my belief is that, since weaD haven't started shipping them yet, you'll still have fully supportedD EV7 systems 8 years from now, so I was making a SWAG estimate at the( minimum time before you'd have to do it.   >d< >Incedentally anyone who thinks that EV7 based systems will ; >be delivering the best systems capability in 8 years time   >is as you point out silly.v  D First, I didn't say that.  I never said you'd buy an EV7 system in 8A years - though I never said you wouldn't either.  Try reading for E comprehension.  But regardless, anyone who thinks that Sparc III willtD be delivering best systems capabilities in 8 years are probably just	 as silly.s   >e< >How about less inane speculation and more actual statements8 >of direction that have some sort of legitimacy. At the 8 >moment all you and your ilk are offering your customers9 >appears to be pure speculation, unless you really think o8 >for example that Intel/HP are going to modify Mckinley 6 >to add Alpha instructions to it at this stage in its  >design. >   F Bah!  I'm not the one to talk to about statements of direction.  Don'tE waste your time.  And why do you somehow morph this into some kind ofa> argument that's completely off topic?  What's wrong, you  have" nothingn of value that's on-topic?  D But I can state with just as much certainty as you (and just as muchD speculation as you would have about Sparc) that people who invest in? EV7 systems will be able to use those systems for quite awhile.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:21:16 -0400p) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>e% Subject: Re: Goodbye, good friend DECe; Message-ID: <RcG97.40974$uH4.2177300@news20.bellglobal.com>s  5 "Chris Hodapp" <Hodapp87@weasel.net> wrote in messageU7 news:1b179cd3.0107301010.17b74456@posting.google.com...tA > MS trashed a lot of companies that could have made something oftF > themselves if MS didn't copy and get them bankrupt. Mainly companiesC > who were actually making huge advances in technology... back whenSG > there was COMPETITION and not just MONOPOLIES from a shitty computer.n >uC > Don't cry. Alpha was bought by Intel and Compaq would use Intel's5 > Itanium CPU in their servers.   8 I hate to be picky BUT Intel didn't buy Alpha; Compaq...+ 1. agreed to write software tools for IA-64o7 2. agreed to stop development of Alpha (EV8 and beyond) . 3. agreed to become a customer for IA-64 chips   ps. #1L Both Intel and HP state that EPIC (a cousin of VLIW) is a different paradigm7 than RISC, This is one reason Intel doesn't want Alpha.r   ps. #2K I wouldn't be surprised if there was little, or no, money exchanged in thiseK recent deal. Intel is usually very tight with their money and probably onlyeG agreed to sell IA-64 chips to Compaq at a reduced price for x-number ofA years.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,t Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:40:40 -0400-) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>N% Subject: Re: Goodbye, good friend DECe; Message-ID: <1vG97.41130$uH4.2191781@news20.bellglobal.com>a  0 "Bob Day" <bobday@mediaone.net> wrote in message& news:3B65BC69.A898955D@mediaone.net... > Chris Hodapp wrote:a >nC > > MS trashed a lot of companies that could have made something ofsH > > themselves if MS didn't copy and get them bankrupt. Mainly companiesE > > who were actually making huge advances in technology... back wheno" > > there was COMPETITION < snip > >i; > Yes, there was competition and Microsoft competed and DECw@ > didn't.  DEC thought it would cost too much to create a PC/GUIG > version of VMS.  It didn't consider that it might be an *investment*.-C > DEC had the limited objective of selling into an existing market;p; > Microsoft had the vision that it could *create* a market.e> > Consequently, Microsoft could offer Windows 95, for example,: > for $95 to run on $2000 computers at a time when DEC was= > trying to sell VMS for $1200 to run on computers costing ato > least $10,000. >o > -- Bob Day >a  K If a VMS license was going for only $1200 I'm sure DEC would have sold manynF more of them! (unless you meant $1200 per user of a 128 user license).  K VMS licensing on Alpha is a little more realistic than VAX (I don't know ifaL this is due to actions by DEC or Compaq) but manager flipped when he got the: bill for my recent purchases and we were doing a trade-in.  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,t Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:59:40 -0400 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>a% Subject: Re: Goodbye, good friend DECv; Message-ID: <QMG97.41286$uH4.2208253@news20.bellglobal.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3B660BCC.2E7B98A6@videotron.ca...H > They are not misguided. They are betting the shop on Microsoft because theyK > know it is a lot easier to clean Bill Gates's orifice than it is to fight/ Gates. >oI > It is pointless to work hard to try to see some positive spin. Take the"H > information that Compaq has chosen to give you and make your decisions basedd
 > on that. > K > You can ssee what Compaq COULD have done with Alpha and what Compaq COULD- haveK > done with VMS. But you can't make business decisions on what Compaq COULDn haveI > done, you need to make business decisions based on the info that Compaqn hasm > given to you.  >t? > Is it worth continually fighting to have Compaq provide token/. > support/marketing for VMS to keep it alive ? >iK > If all the VMS and Alpha engineers were to jump ship to Sun, think of thetH > great quality and mentality that Sun would gain and its products would then > replace VMS. >iF > What is easier: try to fight an endless fight against a company that doesn'ttG > really want these products, or jump ship and work with a company thatc wants to: > push the products to the max and improve their quality ?  K You forget that Compaq started out reverse engineering the IBM PC (and BIOSlL too if memory serves). Now in retrospect, "who had the greater vision?". TheF company that designed, invested, and then marketed the first PC or the# company that reverse engineered it?u  G DEC made some real bad decisions and one of them was almost bankrupting6L their business building the Alpha FAB in Hudson Mass; compare this to HP whoI (in 1989) had the vision to do a VLIW successor to PA-RISC, realized thatfK they didn't have the money to go it alone, and then knocked on Intel's doorg+ for help. HP is still around and DEC isn't.l  L When Compaq took over an ailing DEC, I though this was great; the PC companyK was thinking bigger and they might combine fresh marketing ideas with DEC'soH superb engineering skills. Boy was I wrong! Compaq is still a PC companyL fixated on the apparent green grass of their neighbors. (Don't get me wrong,I if EPIC is better than RISC then they made the right decision; it was themG speed at which they did the about-face that's got everyone wondering ifI( they've got any internal plan or vision)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,n Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/m   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2001 19:47:59 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) % Subject: Re: Goodbye, good friend DECg3 Message-ID: <B+goWhAFVzxa@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  g In article <RcG97.40974$uH4.2177300@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:o   > ps. #2M > I wouldn't be surprised if there was little, or no, money exchanged in thisyM > recent deal. Intel is usually very tight with their money and probably only,I > agreed to sell IA-64 chips to Compaq at a reduced price for x-number ofp > years.  E Even if a large sum were involved, that would likely be the method ofo3 payment, to keep the figure from being made public.e  E Certainly Intel would not want Hewlett-Packard to know what they paidTF Compaq.  And of course Compaq does not want Dell to know what they pay for IA32 chips.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:36:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> % Subject: Re: Goodbye, good friend DEC , Message-ID: <3B675D3A.EEC9E984@videotron.ca>   jlsue wrote:G > The point of the comment is that you will be able to get EV7 systems,l? > when they arrive, and they'll be extrememly good performers. d  J But I strongly suspect that Compaq will time the release of EV7 so that itL will benefit from a token speed advantage over IA64 for a few weeks before a' new IA64 is released that beats Alpha. g  C It would not look good for Compaq to release a new Alpha that has adM significant edge over IA64 for quite some time after having announced that ito5 would not be able to make Alpha that outperform IA64.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:39:17 GMTD2 From: "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us>6 Subject: Re: how to write sys$output without linefeed?1 Message-ID: <FPD97.59$yg6.6332@news-west.eli.net>w  $ That is awesome JF Mezei, thank you! -Frank  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message% news:3B61A45F.7372930@videotron.ca...  >o( > Reverse line feed is your friend here. >s% > $ENDLINE == ESC + "7" + ESC + "[1A"v > $STARTLINE == ESC + "8"  >t' > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Hello how",ENDLINEm( > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT STARTLINE," are you" >c >cK > Endline saves the cursor position (ESC 7) and then moves cursor up 1 linew (CSI > 1 A )/K > Startline restores the cursor position to where the cursor was when ESC 7 
 was received.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:56:23 -0600P( From: emanuel stiebler <emu@ecubics.com>: Subject: Re: IA64 v. Alpha published technical compoarison+ Message-ID: <3B672987.F075E6A8@ecubics.com>.   Dave Gudewicz wrote: >  > Good question. > J > Perhaps the long term plan is to take the goodness of Alpha and blend it > into a future IPF chip.s  0 That's why it is called ia64. intels-alpha-64bit ;-)s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:13:17 +0400e4 From: "MOSCOW WORKSHOPS" <moscowworkshops@email.com>7 Subject: Increase business with wealthy Russian clientsd7 Message-ID: <200107311855.f6VItRg68971@addr21.addr.com>r  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0181_01C11A0E.069F6BE0h Content-Type: text/plain;r         charset="koi8-r"+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   $ MOSCOW INTERNATIONAL WINTER WORKSHOP 06 September 2001o    F The Russian travel market continues to expand with many destinations =/ posting increases of more than 15% this summer.d =20nJ The Russian Travel market is a lucrative market and the Travel Companies =D are  looking for new offers for their clients. 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 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:29:03 -0400a- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>tC Subject: Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: Re: No chance for OpenVMS)h( Message-ID: <3B66F8EC.207E1CDF@ohio.edu>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  ? > JF Mezei wrote in message <3B61A6FC.3E5DCF3F@videotron.ca>...t > >Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:cI > >> The per-cputype loadable code (SYSLOADxxx.EXE) contains the code for 	 > consolej > >> output, among others. > >  > [snip]  K > I have no idea what SYSLOADxxx is.  Maybe you mean SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_xxxx.y >m  J I presumed it was a typo for the earlier-VMS/VAX versions, where they wereI called, for example, SYSLOA750.EXE, if my memory is correct; but Fred was. probably just pulling his leg.  #                                 RDPD   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:32:38 -0700e0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>3 Subject: Re: KZPCA SCSI adapter board for Alpha/VMS , Message-ID: <3B66DDA5.162B0128@Mvb.Saic.Com>  G My AS500/333 workstation came with a KZPBA-CA built-in SCSI controller,yE which is a wide controller.  It has 3 internal disks connected to it,lH each is a wide, 16-bit, disk.  It also has a CDROM connected to the sameF bus.  The CDROM is 8-bit.  All of these are connected via the internalD cable using only hardware termination; no soft termination involved.  F So, to answer your question: no, this is not based only on soft term. D Properly built cables, with appropriate terminators, do the job just fine.I  F In fact, this system also has a DVD-RAM plugged into the external SCSIE controller.  The cable used to connect the DVD-RAM is a special cable G that terminates the high 8 bits in the cable and the DVD-RAM terminatesw$ the low 8 bits.  Works like a champ.  
 Mark Berryman-A -----------------------------------------------------------------.! > Island Computers US Corp wrote:G >  > Mark > : > But that is supposing that you only use soft termination > L > Things like a Toshiba DEC CD-ROM will not function correctly without being > hard terminated on a Wide Busa > , > Ergo - bumps it back to 8 bit - right ??!? > ? > "Mark Berryman" <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote in messagea( > news:3B601ECE.1C918DA8@Mvb.Saic.Com...$ > > D.B. Turner, islandco.com wrote: > > >e
 > > > Rich > > >eH > > > On - PC's -I can't see how it can do that with one controller chipJ > > > Now I know you can run Ultra Wide and LVD on the same card - it justM > > > separates the bus (with two connectors on the internals of the board) -  > UW- > > > to one connector and LVD's on the otherl > > >tK > > > But that doesn't fix the problem with termination - which is where ita > all  > > > goes to sh** > > >oJ > > > 8 bit term on one side requires the same on the other - Ergo, 8 bits > from# > > > the 16 go to never-never land$ > >tL > > Well, no, that's not true.  In this case, terminators are used that onlyK > > terminate the high end of the bus when adding 8 bit devices to a 16 biteJ > > bus.  So wide devices can still do a wide transfer, even when an 8 bitC > > device is also on the bus.  On later model Alphas with softwareaJ > > termination support, you will also see an option to terminate just theJ > > high or low 8 bits.  This lets you have, for example, all wide devicesI > > on the internal bus and all narrow devices on the external bus (othera* > > combinations are possible, of course). > >aH > > What does get impacted with some controllers is speed.  If you add aK > > 10mhz narrow drive to a bus containing 20mhz wide drives you will, with2L > > some controllers, drop the speed of the wide drives from 40MBytes/sec toL > > 20MBytes/sec (you end up limiting them to 10MHZ transfers, tranferring 2F > > bytes per cycle).  Newer controllers, however, can negotiate speedL > > individually with each drive and then this problem does not occur.  I doI > > not know which of the VMS-supported scsi cards have this feature as I > > > don't usually mix wide and narrow devices on the same bus. > >s > > Mark Berryman.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:57:04 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brt/ Subject: Re: Minimum boot - disks not appearingaL Message-ID: <OF914BE5EA.77437047-ON03256A9A.00582E19@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  	 Dear Sirse  / Worked fine with @ sys$system:startup configuret   Thanks a lot ...  
 Fabio Cardosor    ^                                                                                               ^                     David Beatty                                                              ^                     <David.Beatty@qwertysasa        Para:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com             ^                     sdfgh.com>                      cc:                                       ^                                                     Assunto:     Re: Minimum boot - disks not ^                     31/07/2001 10:20                appearing                                 ^                     Responder a David Beatty                                                  ^                                                                                               ^                                                                                                         0 Along with the appropriate AUTOCONFIGURE command> described previously, you may also need to start the CONFIGURE* process via @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP CONFIGURE.   David R. Beattyd  # On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 09:29:53 -0300,n, <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote:  F >Is there a way to LOAD all the disks in a server, when is performed a >"minimum boot" ???gK >I've searched in the Wizard and FAQs and didnt find any way. Or am I blinde >? >n >Regards >  >FCe   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:27:33 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i, Subject: Re: More VMS news from The Inquirer, Message-ID: <3B6714B4.B43F7CA0@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > H > And I can only think of 2 who worked on OpenVMS V1 who are still here.1 > Gosh.  Time to fold the tents we're all doomed.1  F Are you saying that there are only 2 VMS engineers left  ????? Can the inquirer quote you on that ?  + :-) :-) :-) ;-) ;-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ;-)@   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:23:29 +0100l1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>r, Subject: Re: More VMS news from The Inquirer6 Message-ID: <3B673DF1.46A2380C@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  D You should know Antonio that Hoff and Fred work 48 hour days to find9 enough time to fit in all that they do and sleep as well.r  . Assuming that either of them do sleep...   :-)   Steve.   antonio.carlini wrote: >  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:, > >ed > > In article <fogdmtcegk4ovj5qbdc0836a8hi8f186km@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: > > :iJ > > :According to the Inquirer it has been contacted by a former member of? > > :VMS engineering who now works for Intel. According to this3I > > :'informant',  "I don't see how they are going to do the VMS port, as I > > :there are only about 11 people left from the team that built OVMS 7.o2 > > :And that team had over 300 members back then" > >h > >   Noted. > ) > I guess the other nine are busy reading + > IPF docs leaving you and Fred to hold the  > fort in c.o.v :-)e > 	 > Antoniow >  > -- >  > ---------------a/ > Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgv   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likewE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.fA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"t% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:01:02 +0100 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>n> Subject: Re: Obsolete storage (was:Re: Compaq's Q2 financials)5 Message-ID: <3B6738AE.C8C2899@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>i  H Realitically Alan, the writing has been written in very large letters on the wall for some time.rE Storageworks shipments are migrating/have migrated to Storageworks IIiF with the new low formfactor disks and the different shelves.  The HSJsH and HSZs that are not going to have any further firmware updates are forE Storageworks I environments (or "Classic Storageworks" as it could be  termed).  F No further disk development :== fewer bugs in the future :== less need for new firmware  H If you want to continue using the HSZ controllers there's nothing that IH remember in the letter that I received to say "you'll have to dump theseH now because you won't get any hardware support".  I could be wrong but I don't _think_ so. A Efforts within Compaq for disk development will, I would imagine,:@ continue on the Storageworks II product line which suits the HSG+ controllers and their successors perfectly.aC I do understand your problems Alan and would probably have the samet8 concerns if I was running the environment which you are. Steve.   Alan Greig wrote:m >  > John Santos wrote: > F > Is this different from the obsolesense of HSC50's, HSC70's, HSC95's, > H > > HSZ40's, HSZ50's, etc and RA8x/RZ9x/RZ26/RZ28/RZ29 etc, etc. that we > >a > L > You haven't been following this have you?  Of course it's different. At noO > point in the past have DEC/Compaq de-supported controllers currently shipping-I > to my knowledge. Some of the controllers you mention above are actually M > *still supported* or were until the current announcement. This isn't Compaq J > just retiring products gradually.  If it was I'd expect to see maybe theL > HSZ40 go this year, the HSZ50 next etc. Not HSZ40, HSZ50, HSZ70 all in one > go!  > O > As for the HSC50 I still had two ot these online at a previous employer untillL > well into the 90s. They were still on full support despite being well over > ten years old. > K > > I know HSZ70's are more dependent on firmware (and thus more vulnerableaF > > to firmware bugs and being unable to support newer disks without aI > > firmware upgrade than many items on my list), but no more so than thes > > various HSC's were.h > >e > N > I repeat. None of the early HSC controllers were desupported within a couple$ > of years of customers buying them. >  > > F > > Is Compaq FORCING you to upgrade, or did they merely announce thatD > > the older generation of storage is becoming obsolete in 2 years? > N > No they have said that two year old technology (HSZ70 last ship) is obsoleteO > now and software support will cease in 6 months. To show how out of line thisnN > is the HSZ40 and HSZ50 are also being desupported at the same time. How long > since they last shipped? >  > >=D > > Will they still provide hardware service contracts, parts, etc.,G > > like they always have in the past, or are they cutting you off withrD > > nothing?  Are there 3rd-party maintenance companies who would be > > glad to have your business?o > >r > J > Hardware maintenance continues (although for how long?) but that doesn'tL > matter. We have already had one bouncing crash of an HSZ80 pair (each keptN > crashing the other on reboot) fixed with a firmware upgrade. If such a thingJ > was to happen after support ends what do I do? In any case irrelevant asL > corporate policy would not let me run a production system with unsupportedK > components. No other supplier of storage technology we deal with has everrM > dropped support for a product only two years old. And certainly not for oneR > still sold such as the HSZ22.m >  > -- > Alan Greig   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath._A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"-% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 23:14:20 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>l> Subject: Re: Obsolete storage (was:Re: Compaq's Q2 financials)* Message-ID: <3B672DBB.56828228@virgin.net>   Steve Reece wrote:  J > Realitically Alan, the writing has been written in very large letters on > the wall for some time."G > Storageworks shipments are migrating/have migrated to Storageworks II H > with the new low formfactor disks and the different shelves.  The HSJsJ > and HSZs that are not going to have any further firmware updates are forG > Storageworks I environments (or "Classic Storageworks" as it could bem
 > termed). >s  Q The HSZ70 is almost identical to the HSZ80 controller which is still current. The S HSG80 is the top end current SAN solution and uses the same Storageworks shelves aswR the HSZ70. At least the ones I've seen do. I wouldn't be complaining so much if it2 was just the old stuff that was being desupported,   >eB > continue on the Storageworks II product line which suits the HSG- > controllers and their successors perfectly.   7 I think the dropped HSZ70 is Storageworks II is it not?F   >oE > I do understand your problems Alan and would probably have the samew: > concerns if I was running the environment which you are.   >G > Steve. >s   > --  
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:54:39 GMTr2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)N Subject: Re: Original Members of VMS (was Re: More VMS news from The Inquirer)1 Message-ID: <P9D97.457$Yx2.9066@news.cpqcorp.net>o  p In article <009FFD4F.BC8E5AC2@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:g :In article <xVB97.453$Yx2.8864@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:sk :>In article <3%A97.442$Yx2.8658@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: I :>:And I can only think of 2 who worked on OpenVMS V1 who are still here.. :> :>  Three, actually. :o5 :Andy and Ruth come to mind.  Who would be the third?%  F   Andy, Jim and Susan.   The latter two folks are not nearly as known E   outside the VMS group as are Andy and Ruth.  And without intending fD   any insult, I was not counting Ruth -- Ruth was then working in a F   group very closely aligned with the original VMS group.  With Ruth,    the count is now four.    <   ("Thou shalt not count to four.  Five is _right_ out." :-)  I   Hey, we're now over a third of the (alleged) size of the VMS V7.0 team.e=   Fred and I would push the count over the half-way mark. :-)e  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:57:18 GMTt= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)>N Subject: Re: Original Members of VMS (was Re: More VMS news from The Inquirer)0 Message-ID: <009FFD61.F09871A1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <P9D97.457$Yx2.9066@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:q >In article <009FFD4F.BC8E5AC2@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:"h >:In article <xVB97.453$Yx2.8864@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:l >:>In article <3%A97.442$Yx2.8658@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:J >:>:And I can only think of 2 who worked on OpenVMS V1 who are still here. >:>t >:>  Three, actually.: >:6 >:Andy and Ruth come to mind.  Who would be the third? ><G >  Andy, Jim and Susan.   The latter two folks are not nearly as known _F >  outside the VMS group as are Andy and Ruth.  And without intending E >  any insult, I was not counting Ruth -- Ruth was then working in a iG >  group very closely aligned with the original VMS group.  With Ruth,   >  the count is now four.  D >r= >  ("Thou shalt not count to four.  Five is _right_ out." :-)   H OK.  I was looking at the V1.0 group picture in the "VMS at 20" booklet.H (the pic that looks like the montage of personalities on the Sgt. Pepper Album) --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            gJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbeso   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2001 16:28:29 -05003 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg) A Subject: Printer settings was - Re: Print Queue's on IP Addressesn3 Message-ID: <YClS4rwr337m@eisner.encompasserve.org>y  6 In article <Ija97.11256$ar1.32937@www.newsranger.com>,) Tim Ellis <nospam@newsranger.com> writes:y  H > Following a Network reorganisation we now have some printers set up as > A > $INITIALIZE/QUEUE/PROC=tcpip$telnetsym/on="aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:eee"= >=C > where aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd is an IP address and eee is the port number  > for the printer. >cC > Unfortunately some (but not all!) of the printers set up this way/B > are no longer interpretting the <TAB> character, leaving all our/ > nicely indented source code left justified...0 >1E > I was hoping that toggling "SET PRINTER/TAB" or "SET PRINTER/NOTAB"cI > might be a fix for this but that requires a printer name, which I don't11 > have - the command won't take the IP address...i >a< > Anyone know how to get our <TAB>'s back in this situation?  E    Modern printers normally have programmable TAB settings, and misc.iE    other  parameters.  There are usually three storage areas, factoryt3    default, power up default, and current settings.   G    What is likely to have happened is some host sent an escape sequences>    to one or more of the printers and changed it's parameters.  G    If they only changed it's current settings, merely power cycling the E    printer will fix it.  Otherwise, you may need to reset the printerIG    to factory defaults, assuming that the factory defaults are adequate     for your site.   F    Now that will solve your current problem, but there is a relatively=    simple way to prevent your printers from having a relapse.-  G    If these printers are supported by DCPS, it will manage the settings     for you.   C    Otherwise what you need is a device control library, and a RESETnE    module in it for the print queue.  See the OpenVMS Guide to System D    Mangement for more details.  Also see the OpenVMS FAQ, and search%    the "Ask the Wizard" past answers.r  #       http://www.openvms.compaq.comg  D    If you are only using OpenVMS to print to the printers, the RESETB    module can be simply the code sequence to force the printers to    their power up default.  D    But if you allow other operating systems to print directly to theA    printers without going through OpenVMS, then you may find thatoG    your reset sequence must be more complex, and even with DCPS you mayo.    not be able to default the DUPLEX settings.  =    This is because at least some of the printer drivers for a A    non-OpenVMS operating system will change the power up defaultse?    on the printer for each and every print job they send to it.v  E    If you expect all your print jobs to use 60 lines of 72 characters C    each, and always double sided, then this should not be a problem     for you.   @    Many programs on OpenVMS expect that a page is 66 lines of 80G    characters though, as is the factory default for most page printers.a   -Johnf wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 01:10:18 GMTs$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>" Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Questions) Message-ID: <3B6757AA.4240B778@wi.rr.com>   	 Not true.o  O Consider this:  If everyone has one vote and expected votes is set to "4", thens quorum would be 4+2/2 or 3. F Thus, three nodes would have to be up for any of them to be "running".  N This is not cool.  It makes it hard to start one node at a time after shutting@ down all the nodes OR to shut down more than one node at a time.  R Instead, add a quorum disk and give it four votes.  Quorum would then be (4+4+2)/2 or five.M One vote and four votes from the quorum disk would give you "five", enough toiK start one system completely before starting another system after a complete  cluster shutdown.    -s   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:  + > Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> writes:- >-G > > I am investigating using a Quorum disk in a 4 node OpenVMS cluster.o >sP > Stop here: a quorum disk is only ever needed on a two-node cluster in order toL > break ties and allow the cluster to continue running when one node is down > without manual intervention. >f& > Thus, the answer is "don't do that". >r
 >         Jan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:56:22 -0600 $ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca>" Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Questions) Message-ID: <3B678BF6.B952BBE7@cha.ab.ca>   L If you plan on using a quorum disk (and recalling consultations with DigitalL quite a few years ago, it can not be a shadow disk), give it three votes andJ a vote to each of the four nodes.  Total votes would be 7, quorum 4.  FourL nodes up with the quorum disk down would constitute cluster quorum.  Any oneI node up and the quorum disk up gives you cluster quorum.  We had a quorum J disk for many years, but eventually replaced it with a VAXstation.  If theG quorum disk dies, it gets messy trying to get it back into the cluster.    Rick Dyson wrote:   E > I am investigating using a Quorum disk in a 4 node OpenVMS cluster.  > G > My original idea was to utilize a shadow set disk on a SAN visible tocI > all 4 nodes as a Quorum disk and even put some system environment filescH > on it.  However, I just read that a Quorum disk can't be a member of a
 > shadow set!3 >3I > Is this absolute?  What options would I have to to easily safeguard theAH > data on such a disk?  We have all of our disks shadowed and our SAN isK > actually two separate boxes with the shadow pairs split across the boxes.? >n	 > Thanks!  > Rick > --J > Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduJ >  _   _  _____                    http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/J > | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst  --  INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group> > | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsJ > | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems BT1000 GH       Office: 319/384-7016J >  \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052               FAX: 319/384-7020   -- Leee  ; Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authority ? Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSC24 Phone:  (780) 477-4725, 477-4233   10240 Kingsway NW? Fax:      (780) 491-5119, 491-5619    Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:25:43 -0700H# From: Mark Tarka <markZERO@mcn.net>d Subject: R.I.P., C.J.L.l# Message-ID: <3B6776B6.6BB0@mcn.net>   2 Err...not meaning to open old wounds, but to cheer on the living :-)  ....t  1 It's about the right time of year to sing praises<2 to Swami Carl J. Lydick, dearly departed, purveyor2 of deep wisdom.  I personally rank him as possibly1 the greatest of my teachers.  I seek no effort onm2 anyone's part to begin a "love fest" over the late. and great...we've got more pressing matters to0 attend to.  Suffice, that I have made the effort/ to keep my text lines short enough, that anyoneo1 receiving this post will find it readable.  More,h, I thank those who had compassion for me, the0 youngster, during the time of Carl's passing and subsequent events.  1 So, having said that, flames cheerfully accepted. ! See ya later, shit for brains :-)-    +   Mark (UNIX merging with VMS over APACHE?)n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:05:35 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  Subject: Re: Steve Reece* Message-ID: <3B671D9F.8C8327C1@virgin.net>   Brian Tillman wrote:  * > >---- Transcript of session follows ---- > >eG > >%%%%%%%%%%%%                   30-JUL-2001 23:16:35.22  %%%%%%%%%%%%:D > >%MAIL-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$LOGIN:[SYSMGR]SIGN.TXT as inputD > >-RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for > >operation >9< > This is generated on the sender's end, not the recipient's >b  G Nope although I can see why you think so. Only the receiving system wassH running VMS as it was sent from a PC. Steve's ISP is Demon and. they areF an unusual ISP in that you can have a fixed domain name and address asG standard. They also have a modified SMTP/POP relayer which you can kickIG into life from the far end. I'm guessing Steve may have some additionalfI processing in DCL as messages go through and that's generating the error. H Here's the full bounce text which makes it clear it is from his machine:   From: UCX_SMTP@ipl.demon.co.uk Subject:  Returned maily To: a.greig@virgin.net    ' ---- Transcript of session follows ----o  D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   30-JUL-2001 23:16:35.22  %%%%%%%%%%%%A %MAIL-E-OPENIN, error opening SYS$LOGIN:[SYSMGR]SIGN.TXT as inputgA -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type foru	 operationr  % ---- Recipients of this delivery ----l  " <system@ipl.demon.co.uk> (bounced)    ---- Unsent message follows ----        C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com C > Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com9? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevente> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:18:56 GMTt  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>+ Subject: Re: Sun goes after Alpha user basei8 Message-ID: <cj3emtci7cn2d6j3br8egd17pusu1dbevo@4ax.com>  3 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:45:31 +0100, andrew harrisonm! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:      >> tJ >> How about this one - checkout the original SPARC III announcement date:M >> http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/9710/sunflash.971006.1.html (October. >> 6, 1997)iM >> "The UltraSPARC-III microprocessor is expected to sample during the summerZ >> of 1998"  >> dO >> Now, tell us again how the SPARC III will be based on latest technologies ..  >> p >t8 >How ironic Kerry that you of all people should bring up8 >roadmaps and the timely delivery of technology covered  >in the roadmaps.  > 0 >Don't you have any shame, you work for Compaq ? >o  E Nice answer Andy.  What's wrong, can't come up with a real one so you $ just cast dispersions the other way?  F You constantly hold Compaq to the fire for missing deadlines and beingE "truthful" (whatever that means in your mind) in their announcements.h? But somehow you don't expect Sun to counteract the lies in thiswB announcement.  What I found really interesting is that the Jan 28,F 2000 announcement is almost a re-hash of the same article (some of the same wording appears).  See:  I http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/newsreleases/newsreleases.012800.htmli   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 00:25:33 +0200h) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>n" Subject: Re: The Alpha/IA64 Hybrid, Message-ID: <3B67305D.9984372C@infopuls.com>   Bill Todd wrote: [SNIP]  L > The Unix approach to handling files as byte-streams, while a bit primitiveL > for some use, was, and remains, a good idea.  The first implementation wasK > unbelievably inefficient, and even today a lot aren't that great, but theID > *idea* was good (though I'd still like to see it supplemented by a- > cleanly-designed record-handling facility).    Please stop.= The so called "UNIX idea" is a no brainer, a no-idea. This isr: simplistic BS without any ideas or thoughts or any design.  : Please keep comp.os.vms out if you intend to post that BS.   > - bill > " >   Could it be that penguin might% > > get a smile like a Cheshire Cat ?A > >r > >  > > Jack Patteeuwt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:58:38 -0400d9 From: "D.B. Turner, islandco.com" <dbturner@islandco.com>r" Subject: Re: The Alpha/IA64 Hybrid/ Message-ID: <tmekkf2mncg63d@corp.supernews.com>l  
 Geez Chris  $ You make friends as easily as I do !   :0)    DavidC   -- David Turner   We sell Alpha's & Alpha Parts8 http://www.islandco.comc sales@islandco.com Island Computers US Corp.s 2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622i Fax: 912 201 0096s  4 Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3B67305D.9984372C@infopuls.com... > Bill Todd wrote: > [SNIP] >SD > > The Unix approach to handling files as byte-streams, while a bit	 primitive J > > for some use, was, and remains, a good idea.  The first implementation was.I > > unbelievably inefficient, and even today a lot aren't that great, butl theeF > > *idea* was good (though I'd still like to see it supplemented by a/ > > cleanly-designed record-handling facility).n >I > Please stop.? > The so called "UNIX idea" is a no brainer, a no-idea. This is < > simplistic BS without any ideas or thoughts or any design. >r< > Please keep comp.os.vms out if you intend to post that BS. >s
 > > - bill > > $ > >   Could it be that penguin might' > > > get a smile like a Cheshire Cat ?  > > >o > > >l > > > Jack Patteeuw    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:35:48 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> " Subject: Re: The Alpha/IA64 Hybrid( Message-ID: <9k7pv2$s5g$1@pyrite.mv.net>  6 "Christof Brass" <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3B67305D.9984372C@infopuls.com... > Bill Todd wrote: > [SNIP] >sD > > The Unix approach to handling files as byte-streams, while a bit	 primitiveeJ > > for some use, was, and remains, a good idea.  The first implementation was I > > unbelievably inefficient, and even today a lot aren't that great, buto the(F > > *idea* was good (though I'd still like to see it supplemented by a/ > > cleanly-designed record-handling facility).m >r > Please stop.? > The so called "UNIX idea" is a no brainer, a no-idea. This is.< > simplistic BS without any ideas or thoughts or any design. > < > Please keep comp.os.vms out if you intend to post that BS.  H As someone who's been designing and implementing file systems in variousG environments and to various customer requirements for the past 25 yearstL (including RMS-11 and close association with the early designers of RMS-32),D I'm inclined to suspect I have some idea of what I'm talking about -L considerably more so than some mindlessly-anti-Unix hot-head with no obviousL competence in that area (and from what I've seen little in any others).  ButI since others here have frequently asked you to shut up without success, I.
 won't bother.-   'Bye.-   - bill   >o
 > > - bill > >a$ > >   Could it be that penguin might' > > > get a smile like a Cheshire Cat ?- > > >  > > >l > > > Jack Patteeuw-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:32:42 GMT#3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> 7 Subject: Re: the tcp node name versus the vms node nameS/ Message-ID: <3B66F836.BEE10DFD@cableinet.co.uk>j   Wayne Sewell wrote:r > O > Do people generally create dns entries for vms machines matching the vms nodenN > name?  In other words, if the result of f$getsyi("nodename") is bozo, is the4 > fully qualified dns entry always bozo.domain.name? > Q > I personally don't see how one could function any other way, but there may veryX; > well be sites out there who don't follow this convention.. > N > Since all of the vms stacks will automatically append the domain name to dns& > lookups as needed, I'm assuming that > , >         $ this_node = f$getsyi("NODENAME")  >         $ nslookup 'this_node' > N > will always work, assuming the correct domain name (the one matching the dns. > entries) has been configured into the stack. > Q > Is this an invalid assumption?  Are there sites out there in which the tcp nodeeN > name minus domain is different from the vms node name?  If so, what would be > the reason for doing this? > N > Yes, I understand that the tcp node name can be longer than a vms node name,& > but is that worth all the confusion?  < Wayne, sorry for late reply, I have been out of circulation.  H The site I recently helped decomission required the IP name to be longerH than 6 characters for reasons related to the NFS connections to SCO UnixE systems and some naming conventions I had no input in defining and noV chance@ of changing. I would not by choice setup a system like this, but
 sometimes " one has to work with what exists.   G So, software based on your above assumptions would have broken on those- systems.   hope this helps    regardsl --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  c  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:16:00 -0400$  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>7 Subject: Re: the tcp node name versus the vms node name 6 Message-ID: <1010731160809.36974A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ) On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Tim Llewellyn wrote:s   >  >  > Wayne Sewell wrote:  > > Q > > Do people generally create dns entries for vms machines matching the vms node P > > name?  In other words, if the result of f$getsyi("nodename") is bozo, is the6 > > fully qualified dns entry always bozo.domain.name? > > S > > I personally don't see how one could function any other way, but there may very = > > well be sites out there who don't follow this convention.  > > P > > Since all of the vms stacks will automatically append the domain name to dns( > > lookups as needed, I'm assuming that > > . > >         $ this_node = f$getsyi("NODENAME")" > >         $ nslookup 'this_node' > > P > > will always work, assuming the correct domain name (the one matching the dns0 > > entries) has been configured into the stack. > > S > > Is this an invalid assumption?  Are there sites out there in which the tcp node P > > name minus domain is different from the vms node name?  If so, what would be > > the reason for doing this? > > P > > Yes, I understand that the tcp node name can be longer than a vms node name,( > > but is that worth all the confusion? > > > Wayne, sorry for late reply, I have been out of circulation. > J > The site I recently helped decomission required the IP name to be longerJ > than 6 characters for reasons related to the NFS connections to SCO UnixG > systems and some naming conventions I had no input in defining and noe > chanceB > of changing. I would not by choice setup a system like this, but > sometimes $ > one has to work with what exists.  > I > So, software based on your above assumptions would have broken on thoses
 > systems. >   B I have also encountered systems like this (corporate naming policyA forces IP names longer than 6 characters.)  Adding aliases of thea= decnet node name to either the hosts. file (TCPWare, Unix) orrB local hosts database (UCX/TCPIP) on all the relevent systems (i.e.@ the VMS system in question, other VMS systems and other non-VMS,D frequently-accessed systems living near the VMS systems) should makeC the problem invisible.  If the DNS people are friendly, they may bet willing to add a CNAME for you.e   > hope this helpse   ditto  > 	 > regardsO > -- o! > Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  e   -- f John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:31:42 -0400t  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>7 Subject: Re: the tcp node name versus the vms node name 6 Message-ID: <1010731162351.36974C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ' On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, John Santos wrote:a  + > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Tim Llewellyn wrote:f >  > >  > >  > > Wayne Sewell wrote:l > > > S > > > Do people generally create dns entries for vms machines matching the vms nodetR > > > name?  In other words, if the result of f$getsyi("nodename") is bozo, is the8 > > > fully qualified dns entry always bozo.domain.name? [...] K > > So, software based on your above assumptions would have broken on those  > > systems. > >  > D > I have also encountered systems like this (corporate naming policyC > forces IP names longer than 6 characters.)  Adding aliases of thel? > decnet node name to either the hosts. file (TCPWare, Unix) oraD > local hosts database (UCX/TCPIP) on all the relevent systems (i.e.B > the VMS system in question, other VMS systems and other non-VMS,F > frequently-accessed systems living near the VMS systems) should makeE > the problem invisible.  If the DNS people are friendly, they may beb! > willing to add a CNAME for you.k  @ P.S.  I mean by the above tht is usually possible to work around@ having a different DECnet node name and IP host name, but if youA are writing general purpose software, I definitely wouldn't countiE on it.  Two thirds of the VMS systems I have access to have differenti# DECNET and IP names (10 out of 15).s   -- n John Santost Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Jul 2001 18:38:38 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.320117.killspam.015d (Wayne Sewell)e7 Subject: Re: the tcp node name versus the vms node namen. Message-ID: <xSlfrFcIJuL9@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  Y In article <1010731160809.36974A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: + > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Tim Llewellyn wrote:s >    [original question deleted]    >>  ? >> Wayne, sorry for late reply, I have been out of circulation.o >>  K >> The site I recently helped decomission required the IP name to be longermK >> than 6 characters for reasons related to the NFS connections to SCO Unix H >> systems and some naming conventions I had no input in defining and no	 >> chance C >> of changing. I would not by choice setup a system like this, but 
 >> sometimes i% >> one has to work with what exists. s >> aJ >> So, software based on your above assumptions would have broken on those >> systems.e >>   > D > I have also encountered systems like this (corporate naming policyC > forces IP names longer than 6 characters.)  Adding aliases of theo? > decnet node name to either the hosts. file (TCPWare, Unix) orrD > local hosts database (UCX/TCPIP) on all the relevent systems (i.e.B > the VMS system in question, other VMS systems and other non-VMS,F > frequently-accessed systems living near the VMS systems) should makeE > the problem invisible.  If the DNS people are friendly, they may beu! > willing to add a CNAME for you.S    L Yes, if there is an alias for the node, this solves the problem.  It doesn'tO matter if the primary domain name entry doesn't match the node name as long as  O *some* entry is of the form vmsnode.domain.name.  In other words, if I can do a @ gethostbyname using that domain name and get back an ip address.  O Unfortunately, this is a product and there's no telling *what* is at a customersN site, so I basically had to provide an alternate mechanism for getting domain N names when I can't derive them from the vms node.  The purpose of the originalN post was to find out if this was a widespread practice.  It does not appear toI be widespread, but it seems to happen enough that I have to deal with it..     -- nO ===============================================================================rM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxu: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)"O ===============================================================================tH Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy.". Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:20:39 -0400e( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>9 Subject: Re: Unsupported Conjecture:  Prune Q for Suitor?l+ Message-ID: <3B672F37.66487F85@bigfoot.com>-   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > 1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:- > 6 > > Would Bush tolerate that the Japanese buy Compaq ? > A > He wouldn't have much chioce, now would he, in such a decision?1 > 
 >         Jan.  F And even if he did have a choice, I don't think a president who has toB remove his shoes to count to twenty should be allowed to exert any> influence in such matters. For the record I am not a Democrat.   HM   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:32:31 +0100y1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>e1 Subject: Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CAo6 Message-ID: <3B6731FF.6BDF4C12@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  B I had an "interesting" discussion with a colleague some time againF whilst I was with a previous employer.  He was trying to mail out someG simple stats which I think had been generated by the VMScluster and wasuE trying to cut and paste them into a word document before sending themeD out in Lotus Notes as an attachment.  I suggested that if he really,D really needed to send them as an attachment then he should just sendH them as a flat ASCII text file and save the overhead that his Gatesness' software would bestow upon it.E Sure enough, he _did_ choose the flat text file when he realized that 0 this was half the size of the bloatware version.   Steve.  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: >  > Javier > D > >       I got an invitation via email for some VMS marketing event& > >taking place in Cupertino, CA soon. > >lB > >       However, I couldn't read it: it came as a Microsoft Word > >attachment. > J > You're as lucky as me.  I can't read this stuff either.  On a VMS box !! > O > I just find that all that stuff I can delete.  Why do they need word for some L > internal crap like "I've lost my glasses".  And sometimes the author is soE > inventive that he provides a whole powerpoint production.  Sheesh!!o >  > Regards, Paddy   -- gG "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent liketE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.sA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"n   ------------------------------   Date: 01 Aug 2001 04:56:54 GMT- From: "Bill Pedersen" <pedersen@ccsscorp.com>I1 Subject: Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CAs. Message-ID: <3b678be8@kerberos.linuxpuppy.net>  J For those interested, it is an OpenVMS Diamond Forum at the end of August.  7 I have attached a converted document, in HTML format...   	 Or visit:        http://bayvax.decus.orgh   which discusses the event.   --
 Bill Pederseno CCSS Corporation CCSS Interactive Learningh http://www.CCSScorp.comn 831-336-2708 ================  5 "Javier Henderson" <javier@kjsl.com> wrote in message ' news:8666cac3pf.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com...n< > I got an invitation via email for some VMS marketing event% > taking place in Cupertino, CA soon.q > : > However, I couldn't read it: it came as a Microsoft Word
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Dachtera1 > dba DJE SystemsT > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho//   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Jul 2001 18:58:52 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)0! Subject: Re: What exactly is VMS?]3 Message-ID: <a3cNJeD0wEVh@eisner.encompasserve.org>/  V In article <3B672D19.184BE15D@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes:? >> Somehow, the humor of the original post was lost, I think...b >> %7 > You mean like the BACKSLASH between "VAX" and "VMS"?    1 I believe you have confused backslash with slash.!  ) I recall no expression that went VAX\VMS.<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:57:05 -0500=1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>#! Subject: Re: What exactly is VMS?8% Message-ID: <3B6761F1.F46E74@fsi.net>8   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > X > In article <3B672D19.184BE15D@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes:A > >> Somehow, the humor of the original post was lost, I think...8 > >>8 > > You mean like the BACKSLASH between "VAX" and "VMS"? > 3 > I believe you have confused backslash with slash.! > + > I recall no expression that went VAX\VMS.#  7 I *REALLY* shoulda got that job on the garbage truck...=   -- 9 David J. Dachtera8 dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:06:32 -0400:5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>=! Subject: Re: What is CRD_Control?81 Message-ID: <ntC97.454$Yx2.8993@news.cpqcorp.net><  G From ancient memory, the crud stuff has to do with throttling the error+I logging of correctable memory errors.  Dunno the meanings of the bits, or. why it might have changed.       Kevin S. wrote in message ...\? >We have several nodes (but not all) in a cluster that have had<F >paramters changed but not written to the modparams.dat file.  We wantG >to do some tuning, but we're concerned that we might tune out a changeDF >that somebody needed but didn't write into the modparams because theyD >didn't think about it.  On several nodes we have a parameter calledD >CRD_control(CRD=Corrected Read Data) that has been changed from theG >default of 22 to 54.  They are various Alpha based systems(DS10, DS20)(B >running OpenVMS 7.2-1, some of the machines have more memory thanC >others and different hardware configurations, like net cards, SCSI%C >cards and so forth.  The manual just says that you shouldn't screw/@ >with this value and gives the default for AXP to be 22 and saysC >something about 0 through 7 turning on some parts and shutting off=E >others, but obviously someone did, and I'm hoping for a reason other(F >than I wanted to see what would happen when I plugged my age into theF >CRD_control parameter.  I was wondering if anybody here knows what it >is and what it's for. >=0 >Thanks in Advance for any help you can provide. >Kevin   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:50:48 GMT91 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>9! Subject: Re: What is CRD_Control?;2 Message-ID: <3B66FE94.15E58C54@clarityconnect.com>  F I extracted the following from a DSNlink article.  Hopefully it helps.     DOCUMENTATION ERROR: %  F The default values suggested in the documentation for CRD_CONTROL are " not in agreement with SYSGEN help.  @ Reproducing the information on an AlphaStation, the SYSGEN Help @ System_Parameter 'CRD_CONTROL' shows the default as 7, while the@ documentation on the same SYSGEN parameter shows it as 6.  On anE OpenVMS, V7.1-2 system, the default continues to be listed in SYSGEN <0 Help as 6, while the actual default value is 15.  E The following is taken from the 'OpenVMS System Management Utilities /& Reference Manual: M-Z.', Section C-54.  
   CRD_CONTROLU  D   On VAX systems, CRD_CONTROL is a bit mask for corrected read data >   (CRD) soft error control flags.  These flags control the use8   of CRDERROR routines.  The following bits are defined:            Bit      Description1*   ----------------------------------------  7          0      Enables CRD processing for all systems.)D          1      Enables scrubbing (rewriting) of the memory location%                 that induced the CRD.0B          2      Enables page replacement of the pages that exhibit-                 repeated CRD errors.         8A          3      Forces all memory pages to be included in the PFN0@                 database.  On systems that contain more than 512=                 megabytes the default is 7, which enables CRDE processing, 0                 scrubbing, and page replacement.    H          CRD_CONTROL replaces the memory CRD control parameter CRDENABL.    5 SYSGEN on an OpenVMS Alpha, V7.1 shows the following:H   SYSGEN>  SHO CRD  ;H Parameter Name   Current    Default     Min.      Max.     Unit  DynamicH --------------   -------    -------    -------   -------   ----  -------5 CRDENABLE           1          1         0          1= BooleanX5 CRD_CONTROL         6          6         0          7- Bitmask9     COMPAQ RESPONSE:  7 This information has been reported to the documentation1 writers              L? for their review.                                              /   WORKAROUND:<  D The default value for CRD_CONTROL on VAX systems is 7.  The default - value for CRD_CONTROL on Alpha systems is 22.)    
 REFERENCE:  F "OpenVMS System Management Utilities Reference Manual: M-Z", November " 1996, (AA-PV5QD-TK), Section C-54.     Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > I > From ancient memory, the crud stuff has to do with throttling the error9K > logging of correctable memory errors.  Dunno the meanings of the bits, or) > why it might have changed. >  > Kevin S. wrote in message ...<A > >We have several nodes (but not all) in a cluster that have had:H > >paramters changed but not written to the modparams.dat file.  We wantI > >to do some tuning, but we're concerned that we might tune out a change,H > >that somebody needed but didn't write into the modparams because theyF > >didn't think about it.  On several nodes we have a parameter calledF > >CRD_control(CRD=Corrected Read Data) that has been changed from theI > >default of 22 to 54.  They are various Alpha based systems(DS10, DS20)(D > >running OpenVMS 7.2-1, some of the machines have more memory thanE > >others and different hardware configurations, like net cards, SCSIXE > >cards and so forth.  The manual just says that you shouldn't screwDB > >with this value and gives the default for AXP to be 22 and saysE > >something about 0 through 7 turning on some parts and shutting off)G > >others, but obviously someone did, and I'm hoping for a reason other/H > >than I wanted to see what would happen when I plugged my age into theH > >CRD_control parameter.  I was wondering if anybody here knows what it > >is and what it's for. > >.2 > >Thanks in Advance for any help you can provide. > >Kevin   -- AD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:52:39 GMTT1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>]! Subject: Re: What is CRD_Control? 2 Message-ID: <3B66FF02.157166F0@clarityconnect.com>  D Additionally see section 4.21.1.2 CRD_CONTROL in OpenVMS Version 7.2 Release Notes.   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > I > From ancient memory, the crud stuff has to do with throttling the error"K > logging of correctable memory errors.  Dunno the meanings of the bits, orE > why it might have changed. >  > Kevin S. wrote in message ...@A > >We have several nodes (but not all) in a cluster that have had,H > >paramters changed but not written to the modparams.dat file.  We wantI > >to do some tuning, but we're concerned that we might tune out a change(H > >that somebody needed but didn't write into the modparams because theyF > >didn't think about it.  On several nodes we have a parameter calledF > >CRD_control(CRD=Corrected Read Data) that has been changed from theI > >default of 22 to 54.  They are various Alpha based systems(DS10, DS20)ED > >running OpenVMS 7.2-1, some of the machines have more memory thanE > >others and different hardware configurations, like net cards, SCSI=E > >cards and so forth.  The manual just says that you shouldn't screw<B > >with this value and gives the default for AXP to be 22 and saysE > >something about 0 through 7 turning on some parts and shutting off.G > >others, but obviously someone did, and I'm hoping for a reason other4H > >than I wanted to see what would happen when I plugged my age into theH > >CRD_control parameter.  I was wondering if anybody here knows what it > >is and what it's for. > > 2 > >Thanks in Advance for any help you can provide. > >Kevin   -- (D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:21:24 GMT>3 From: Dave Harrold <DRHarrold.nospam@earthlink.net>]! Subject: Re: What is CRD_Control?E8 Message-ID: <gu0emt88oekobgfv9tiu6gd0o8pn7t55gm@4ax.com>  	 Hi Kevin,A  A On 31 Jul 2001 09:43:01 -0700, kshannon@chx.com (Kevin S.) wrote:.  ? >We have several nodes (but not all) in a cluster that have had<F >paramters changed but not written to the modparams.dat file.  We wantG >to do some tuning, but we're concerned that we might tune out a change!F >that somebody needed but didn't write into the modparams because theyD >didn't think about it.  On several nodes we have a parameter calledD >CRD_control(CRD=Corrected Read Data) that has been changed from theG >default of 22 to 54.  They are various Alpha based systems(DS10, DS20)9B >running OpenVMS 7.2-1, some of the machines have more memory thanC >others and different hardware configurations, like net cards, SCSI C >cards and so forth.  The manual just says that you shouldn't screw+@ >with this value and gives the default for AXP to be 22 and saysC >something about 0 through 7 turning on some parts and shutting off(E >others, but obviously someone did, and I'm hoping for a reason other<F >than I wanted to see what would happen when I plugged my age into theF >CRD_control parameter.  I was wondering if anybody here knows what it >is and what it's for.  D Just went through this because our system health check report calledF it out for 2 of our nodes.  The only difference between the default ofF 22 and the 54 you have is one bit.  That bit controls loading platformB specific memory scrubbing routines.  In my case for the 2 wildfireF nodes.  The reply I got from the CSC implied that other platforms usedF it as well, maybe the DS10s and DS20s do that as well.  The reply from; CSC also said the "AUTOGEN knows".  Not sure I'd trust that]@ completely, but unless you change it in MODPARAMS or directly in+ SYSGEN, I don't think it will be a problem.0  C The help in SYSGEN (for VMS V7.2-1H1) was pretty good at describingQ? this parameter, just not why it was different on some machines.=   >H0 >Thanks in Advance for any help you can provide. >Kevin   Hope that helps,   Dave Harrold    V ======================================================================================V Dave Harrold                                          E-Mail: David_Harrold@Aurora.orgL Sr. Software Systems Engineer                         Phone : (414) 647-6204L Aurora Health Care                                    FAX   : (414) 647-4999I 3031 W. Montana Street                                Milwaukee, WI 53234<  X "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to/ underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:07:31 -0400!5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>E! Subject: Re: What is CRD_Control? 1 Message-ID: <MeE97.465$Yx2.9152@news.cpqcorp.net>   % Oh yeah, memory scrubbing.  That too./  I Mark D. Jilson wrote in message <3B66FF02.157166F0@clarityconnect.com>...HE >Additionally see section 4.21.1.2 CRD_CONTROL in OpenVMS Version 7.2  >Release Notes.> >/ >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:U >>J >> From ancient memory, the crud stuff has to do with throttling the errorL >> logging of correctable memory errors.  Dunno the meanings of the bits, or >> why it might have changed.< >>  >> Kevin S. wrote in message ...B >> >We have several nodes (but not all) in a cluster that have hadI >> >paramters changed but not written to the modparams.dat file.  We want J >> >to do some tuning, but we're concerned that we might tune out a changeI >> >that somebody needed but didn't write into the modparams because they0G >> >didn't think about it.  On several nodes we have a parameter called<G >> >CRD_control(CRD=Corrected Read Data) that has been changed from the9J >> >default of 22 to 54.  They are various Alpha based systems(DS10, DS20)E >> >running OpenVMS 7.2-1, some of the machines have more memory thanHF >> >others and different hardware configurations, like net cards, SCSIF >> >cards and so forth.  The manual just says that you shouldn't screwC >> >with this value and gives the default for AXP to be 22 and says)F >> >something about 0 through 7 turning on some parts and shutting offH >> >others, but obviously someone did, and I'm hoping for a reason otherI >> >than I wanted to see what would happen when I plugged my age into the!I >> >CRD_control parameter.  I was wondering if anybody here knows what it- >> >is and what it's for.  >> >3 >> >Thanks in Advance for any help you can provide.E	 >> >Kevin4 >E >--5E >Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY#/ > - jilly@clarityconnect.com - Brett Bodine fan1- > - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com - since 1975 or so - > - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -U   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:30:52 -0400U* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>! Subject: Re: What is CRD_Control?E1 Message-ID: <eGE97.467$Yx2.9061@news.cpqcorp.net>Q  E O.K., I'll admit to being the guilty person that changed CRD_CONTROL./  I Bit <5> is set by system specific code (SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_xxyy.EXE) if the8K platform machine check handler supports the Server Management Event handler(H process.  If the bit is set, SYS$STARTUP:SMHANDLER_STARTUP.COM starts upI SMDRIVER and the SM handler process.  Both process and driver wait around!E for an AST to be delivered from the machine check handler for certain L events, such as redundant power/fan failure.  The error messages are send to% OPCOM and are recorded in a LOG file.,  E The SMHANDLER was documented in various OpenVMS release notes for the H DS10/DS20/ES40.  Exactly which events are recorded is platform-specific.  ? Use of CRD_CONTROL is kinda of a hack, but perferable to adding( platform-specific DCL code.Q     Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporation#! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14- 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-26988 Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com;   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:03:24 GMT(A From: PALADIN@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Have Condist Will Travel)! Subject: Re: WHO ARE YOU forum? ) Message-ID: <gaE97.5452$%L5.77361@insync>"  - Didier Morandi (Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch) wrote:(J : I'd love to see a WHO ARE YOU forum for VMS people, where we could share  : something else than technique. : J : Where I could for example say that I'll be in Corsica for vacation untilL : the 5th without the risk to be flamed for a non-VMS related post, you see? :  : :-)%  F I'm a VMS, unix, and Windows (if forced to) sysadmin, until August 15,J There are some VMS jobs here, but usually require additional skills, such  as with an application.   F I have worked on VMS systems used for process control in other places F as a contractor, but most sites are retiring VMS systems, in favor of 2 Wintel Cartel boxes, or in some cases, unix boxes.  F With Compaq and local ISPs shedding staff, it may be time for this 56-C year old to consider a job in a less-cyclical industry, such as the. funeral industry. :-)y  % --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edun  *                  Have ConDist, Will Travel)                  Email Paladin in Houston-  0                  paladin@209-16-45-97.insync.net<                  paladin@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 16:36:00 -0400m  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?n6 Message-ID: <1010731163421.36974D-100000@Ives.egh.com>  4 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Have Condist Will Travel wrote:  , >                  Have ConDist, Will Travel+ >                  Email Paladin in Houstons  # So your first name is "Email"?  :-]n   -- e John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:09:36 GMT#) From: PALADIN@209-16-45-102.insync.net ()g Subject: Re: WHO ARE YOU forum? ) Message-ID: <A0G97.5454$%L5.77373@insync><  ! John Santos (JOHN@egh.com) wrote:n6 : On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Have Condist Will Travel wrote: : . : >                  Have ConDist, Will Travel- : >                  Email Paladin in HoustonX : % : So your first name is "Email"?  :-]u :   = Lol, no, just someone who forgot what 'tin' would do with :-)X= the SYSAUF owner attribute.                               :-).  B Here's a site for the younger readers who might not have heard of # the "Have Gun, Will Travel" series:o  )    http://www.dynanet.com/hgwt/index.html    Paladin's business card read:            Have Gun, Will Travel0!     Wire Paladin in San Franciscon   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:59:59 -0400n  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?u4 Message-ID: <C2256A9A.007E1984.00@jklh21.valmet.com>   IIRC (and I do) the card readn HAVE GUN WILL TRAVEL WIRE PALADIN
 SAN FRANCISCO - With a Staunton Chess Knight as a background.  No comma, no "in".  B [Before we could read it, we thought "WIRE" was his first name.  ID could be wrong, but I do not think they ever revealed a first name.]          : PALADIN@209-16-45-102.insync.net on 07/31/2001 06:09:36 PM  2 Please respond to PALADIN@209-16-45-102.insync.net   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.come cc:o  Subject:  Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?        ! John Santos (JOHN@egh.com) wrote:s6 : On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Have Condist Will Travel wrote: :i. : >                  Have ConDist, Will Travel- : >                  Email Paladin in Houstonm : % : So your first name is "Email"?  :-]n :u  = Lol, no, just someone who forgot what 'tin' would do with :-)j= the SYSAUF owner attribute.                               :-)t  A Here's a site for the younger readers who might not have heard ofr# the "Have Gun, Will Travel" series:   )    http://www.dynanet.com/hgwt/index.htmlo   Paladin's business card read:            Have Gun, Will Travelh!     Wire Paladin in San Franciscoc   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 03:36:05 GMT ) From: PALADIN@209-16-45-102.insync.net ()a Subject: Re: WHO ARE YOU forum? ) Message-ID: <FOK97.5458$%L5.77414@insync>u  ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:M :  : IIRC (and I do) the card readc : HAVE GUN WILL TRAVEL : WIRE PALADIN : SAN FRANCISCO6/ : With a Staunton Chess Knight as a background.  : No comma, no "in". : D : [Before we could read it, we thought "WIRE" was his first name.  IF : could be wrong, but I do not think they ever revealed a first name.] :  No first name according to:e  2   http://www.fiftiesweb.com/western-2.htm#have-gun  - A picture of the business card is also there.e  C Would a man of Paladin's character have tolerated Wintel boxes, :-)oC or would he be a VMS Ambassador ?                               :-)b   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 19:54:20 GMT . From: "Stephen Fuld" <s.fuld@worldnet.att.net>R Subject: Re: [OT] Market corrections (was Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate)H Message-ID: <M1E97.27991$gj1.2647295@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  B "Martin Knoblauch" <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de> wrote in message% news:3B669389.5FC5B2E9@TeraPort.de...e > Alexis Cousein wrote:  > >c > >oC > > And yes, governments do seem to want to get re-elected -- don'tb > > ask me why, though.l > >e >)G >  Because, in a sane world, nobody who ever "worked" for a gorvernment H > would ever get another job. Unfortunately, the world is definitely not > sane.h      K Well, I make no claims about my sanity, I worked for the Federal government J for seven years then left to work in private industry.  (Lots of people doA similarly.) But I was not an elected official, just a worker bee.e       --     -  Stephen Fulde   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.423 ************************