1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 02 Aug 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 425       Contents:# Re: (v. cheap) used vax kit wanted? # Re: (v. cheap) used vax kit wanted?  Re: 7.3 system disk corruption= Re: ??== Installed DCPS 2.0: Two observations and a question. = Re: ??== Installed DCPS 2.0: Two observations and a question. = Re: ??== Installed DCPS 2.0: Two observations and a question. ( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate Apache htaccess files # Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Max ROI 1 Re: Converting Vax macro to Alpha - Error message 1 Re: Converting Vax macro to Alpha - Error message : CSWS 1.1 - how to set default extensions for CGI programs? DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops...also on V7.3 Re: DECnet card password& Re: DECserver 700 documentation needed Re: DECWORLD 2001 Byte article1 Re: exploitable buffer overflows in VMS possible?  Re: f$parse glitch- Re: how to write sys$output without linefeed? 
 Re: HyperSort 1 Re: IA64 v. Alpha published technical compoarison 1 Re: IA64 v. Alpha published technical compoarison 1 Re: IA64 v. Alpha published technical compoarison 1 Re: IA64 v. Alpha published technical compoarison  Re: IPF Console Bootstrap 6 Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)6 Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)6 Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS) Re: NCL Command Disassembler Need help with AlphaStation 200 E Re: Original Members of VMS (was Re: More VMS news from The Inquirer) $ Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80$ Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80  Re: SAN-based Backup for OpenVMS SMTP Shutdown !! Re: SMTP Shutdown !! Re: SMTP Shutdown !! Re: Soft font modules / DCPS? 0 Re: Sun keep 'em coming (but do they followup ?) test (please ignore) Re: test (please ignore)( Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CA( Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CA( Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CA WATCHER compile problems Re: WATCHER compile problems Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:31:09 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> , Subject: Re: (v. cheap) used vax kit wanted?' Message-ID: <3B68670D.4EA10EFA@iee.org>    Douglas Hall wrote:  >  > Hi there,  > @ > My old vaxen are dying on me atm, maybe it is the hot weather.  / Hot weather did for the buffers on my VS3100-76 4 some years ago - made it very unreliable. Installing a desk fan fixed it :-)   C > DSSI drive and ethernet on the 3600 have failed and my vaxstation  > power supply has blown.   " The 3600 ethernet is probably just! a blown fuse somewhere on the CPU  console panel (I think).  $ I have no idea about the DSSI drive.* What sort is it  and what are the symptoms' ("it doesn't work" isn't showing enough $ initiaitive BTW - poke around at the$ console level and find out what that	 reports).   G > Does anyone know of anywhere in the UK that I might be able to get my $ > hands on any vax hardware cheaply?  # Hang around and wait for it to drop  into your lap? Keep an eye on   comp.sys.dec[.micros] and you'll find stuff cropping up. Mostly it crops up in the USA, but " you might eventually get lucky :-)   > H > I finally got a vaxcluster working at home after hoarding all the bits > for years and then it breaks!  > E > If not, then I guess I have a complete collection of VMS5.5 manuals C > and an assortment of broken vaxstation 3100's and a uvax 3600 for  > sale!   ! You should not give up so easily! $ If you wait long enough, you'll find* someone gives you a VAXstation or MicroVAX% with a dead widget but a working PSU.   * If you open up the PSU (with it unplugged,' but if you needed to be told that stop  + reading now!) you will probably find a fuse  which could do with checking.   , The last time I thought my VS3100-76 PSU was) dead I spent quite a while swapping PSUs  * to no avail. Eventually I stripped it down- to the bare minimum (PSU + MB) and it worked. ( Turned out the mouse was shorting stuff!  ( Finally, remember that this kit is quite, well built. I've fixed this class of machine+ by taking all the bits out and putting them ' all back in. I've fixed bigger machines  the same way too!    Antonio    --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:37:06 +0100 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> , Subject: Re: (v. cheap) used vax kit wanted?6 Message-ID: <3B687682.4A06DB0E@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   Douglas,E If you're a DECUS/CUO UK member then you might like to get in contact ? with the Compaq Service Store to see how much they'd charge for C replacement parts to get some or all of your systems up and running  again.H An alternative would be to talk to Phil Dombey at Abacus Computing (tel.> 0118 940 3111)  They're on the outskirts of Reading (or, mopre2 specifically, Wargrave) and can probably help you.  
 Good luck. Steve.     Douglas Hall wrote:  >  > Hi there,  > @ > My old vaxen are dying on me atm, maybe it is the hot weather. > C > DSSI drive and ethernet on the 3600 have failed and my vaxstation  > power supply has blown.  > G > Does anyone know of anywhere in the UK that I might be able to get my $ > hands on any vax hardware cheaply? > H > I finally got a vaxcluster working at home after hoarding all the bits > for years and then it breaks!  > E > If not, then I guess I have a complete collection of VMS5.5 manuals C > and an assortment of broken vaxstation 3100's and a uvax 3600 for  > sale!  > 	 > regards  > 	 > Douglas    --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:56:38 +0100 1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> ' Subject: Re: 7.3 system disk corruption 6 Message-ID: <3B687B16.167DB92F@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  G The only time I've done it (and it was out of error, not intent) was on D a pair of AlphaServer 4100 5/600s with shared SCSI storage.  VMS didE it's job excellently and prevented the boot of the second system from  getting too far.2 It was still a very scarey minute or two though... Steve.   Robert Deininger wrote:  > 3 > In article <wPg87.241$Yx2.3714@news.cpqcorp.net>, & > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote: > P > >   Massive system disk corruptions are common and expected with misconfiguredM > >   multi-host SCSI configurations -- when votes and expected_votes are set O > >   against recommendations and you boot two hosts from the same system root, > > >   these corruptions are what you can (and usually do) get. > J > Are there checks to keep VMS from booting two nodes from the same systemI > root? Or is a mis-typed >>> BOOT command enough to trash a disk, if the : > specified system root is already in use by another node? >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com    --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent like E a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:36:22 +0200, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>F Subject: Re: ??== Installed DCPS 2.0: Two observations and a question.: Message-ID: <3b68686c$0$2980$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>  L This week I also installed DCPS V2.0. The thing that I missed is the abilityJ to configure auto start and auto failover queues with DCSP$STARTUP.COM. ItE appears that this file has not been modified since version 1.5 or so.   J Of course I could hack my own solution, but you all know the disadvantages	 of hacks.    Regards,  	 Bart Zorn   9 "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote in message > news:aus-3107010928400001@wvia48.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de...@ > 1) The following statement appeared while installing DCPS 2.0: > @ >  Starting with DCPS V2.0, the need for DCPS-OPEN and DCPS-PLUSI >         licenses has been eliminated.  The right to use all features of I >         DCPS is now included with the OpenVMS operating system license.  > J > 2) The new DCPS$DEVCTL.TLB;4    27-APR-2001 14:44:16.40 does not includeJ > the INITPSDEVICE and SETINPUTTRAY modules for the HP4050 (4100). A short% > $library listing is included below.  >  > QUESTION: J > Does this mean that the new HP4000 modules also include HP4050 and I can0 > eliminate the extra, home brewed HP4050 table? > B > That is, the DCPS 2.0 startup command no longer requires our ownH > HP4050$DEVCTL but rather just the standard DCPS_LIB for the HP4050 and > HP4100 printers, also. > B > 3) The Postscript version of the installation guide on our CD is incomplete.  >  > ----------------------" > $library /list DCPS$DEVCTL.TLB;4C > Directory of TEXT library SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]DCPS$DEVCTL.TLB;4 on  31-JUL-2001 08 > :59:34F > Creation date:  27-APR-2001 14:41:23      Creator:  Librarian A09-22A > Revision date:  27-APR-2001 14:44:14      Library format:   3.0 @ > Number of modules:    237                 Max. key length:  39F > Other entries:          0                 Preallocated index blocks: 11D > Recoverable deleted blocks:      0        Total index blocks used: 23D > Max. Number history records:      20      Library history records: 20 >  > ...  > " > LPS$$HPLASERJET4000_INITPSDEVICE" > LPS$$HPLASERJET4000_SETINPUTTRAY" > LPS$$HPLASERJET4500_INITPSDEVICE" > LPS$$HPLASERJET4500_SETINPUTTRAY > ...  >  > --D > Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:00:33 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>F Subject: Re: ??== Installed DCPS 2.0: Two observations and a question.; Message-ID: <010820011700338980%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>   D In article <3b68686c$0$2980$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, Bart Zorn! <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> wrote:   N > This week I also installed DCPS V2.0. The thing that I missed is the abilityL > to configure auto start and auto failover queues with DCSP$STARTUP.COM. ItG > appears that this file has not been modified since version 1.5 or so.   G Adding autostart for DCPS queues has been on our wish list for a while.   G One drawback is that you can get yourself into trouble if you specify a > node in the node list that is not running DCPS or not properly configured to handle the queue.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:00:55 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)F Subject: Re: ??== Installed DCPS 2.0: Two observations and a question.L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0108012300560001@user-2ive6l5.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <010820011700338980%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>, ! paul.r.anderson@compaq.com wrote:   F > In article <3b68686c$0$2980$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, Bart Zorn# > <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> wrote:  > P > > This week I also installed DCPS V2.0. The thing that I missed is the abilityN > > to configure auto start and auto failover queues with DCSP$STARTUP.COM. ItI > > appears that this file has not been modified since version 1.5 or so.   5 I didn't see the original post, so I'll reply here...   J I have DCPS set up to auto failover and autostart.  Here's a fragment from dcps$startup.com:   @ $! I tell DCPS the queue is on node dummy::, which means it willB $! never start the queue.  After the DCPS procedure runs, I modifyA $! the queue with /AUTOSTART_ON=... so that it can run on several E $! different nodes.  This sequence is safe to run on any node; if the F $! queue is already running, none of this has any effect on the queue,5 $! though the logical name definitions are important.  $  $ queue_qual = -0      "/NOSEPARATE/FORM_MOUNTED=DCPS$DEFAULT" + -      "/NO_INITIAL_FF" + - G      "/DEFAULT=(NOFEED,FORM=DCPS$DEFAULT,NOBURST,NOFLAG,NOTRAILER)" + - #      "/PROT=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:RS)" + - 1      "/DESCRIPTION=""""Phaser 850 Postscript""""" % $ @sys$startup:dcps$execution_queue - C       phaser850_ps -                    ! P1 - Execution queue name 5       dummy::"IP_RAWTCP/phaser850.aaa.bbb.ccc:9100" - P         -                               ! P2 - Interconnect protocol/device nameL       dcps_phaser850_ps_lib -           ! P3 - Logical name for library(ies)G       "DATA_TYPE=POSTSCRIPT" -          ! P4 - Default print parameters G       "''queue_qual'" -                 ! P5 - Default queue qualifiers I       ""-                               ! P6 - Communication speed(serial <         -                               !      devices only)E       ""-                               ! P7 - Device characteristics <       ""                                ! P8 - Verify on/off $ > $! Now set the autostart attribute. (The logical name DCPS$ isD $! defined by dcps$execution_queue.com automatically for long device
 $! names.)! $ initialize/queue phaser850_ps -      /start- ;     /autostart_on=(node1::dcps$,node2::dcps$,node3::dcps$,- .                     node4::dcps$,node5::dcps$) $     J This stuff gets executed by each node in the cluster.  The DCPS version is/ 1.8.  This is a bit ugly, but it seems to work.      > I > Adding autostart for DCPS queues has been on our wish list for a while.  > I > One drawback is that you can get yourself into trouble if you specify a @ > node in the node list that is not running DCPS or not properly! > configured to handle the queue.  >  > Paul >  > --   >  Paul Anderson >   OpenVMS Engineering  >   Compaq Computer Corporation    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:19:54 GMT . From: "Stephen Fuld" <s.fuld@worldnet.att.net>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate H Message-ID: <KvZ97.29158$gj1.2761508@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  < "Del Cecchi" <cecchi@signa.rchland.ibm.com> wrote in message* news:9k98ek$10ks$1@news.rchland.ibm.com...3 > In article <jwU97.497$Yx2.9480@news.cpqcorp.net>, : >  "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:) > |> Maynard Handley wrote in message ...  > |> >K > |> >A good starting point is to actually go out and read an academic book K > |> >about finance rather than posting ridiculous exaggerations on usenet.  > |> > > |> > |>K > |> Aw shucks.  I's just a contry bumpkin, just fell off the turnip truck. L > |> Whens I finish the 5 grade, I surely will git me wun of dem books.  I's sureK > |> its like physics, or math, with laws my little ol head jus don't knows  bout	 > |> yet.  > |>7 > |> Thank heaven at least you didn't call me a commie.  > |>J > And after you read the book, you can make a bundle like all the geniuses and D > nobel prize winners at Long Term Capital  :-) who thought they had
 regression, > analyses and formulae to guarantee profit.      J Well, they did make a bundle - for a while (about three years IIRC).  TheyJ forgot that any market advantage is temporary as the market compensates to take away that advantage.   G And actually, they did make a substantial contribution to the theory of H finance regarding the valuation of options.  It was more than regression! analysis.  But it was hubris :-).      --     -  Stephen Fuld    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 20:19:53 GMT . From: "Stephen Fuld" <s.fuld@worldnet.att.net>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate H Message-ID: <JvZ97.29157$gj1.2759874@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  6 "Lars Poulsen" <lars@beagle-ears.com> wrote in message) news:3B679B0B.FB9AEDD6@beagle-ears.com...  > Maynard Handley wrote:D > > The bottom line is that the concept of company valuations is not > > absurd and meaningless.a >uG > The concept makes sense; it is just the actual valuations that don't.mD > I have invested in companies whose business I knew intimately, andB > while the stock often fluctuated wildly, these fluctuations wereA > totally unrelated (at least on a 1-to-6 month timescale) to anynB > actual changes in the company's business conditions, as measuredB > by order backlog, credit lines, employee morale and successes or+ > failures in product development projects.:        C Sure, but they don't have to be.  For example, suppose a competitor G announces a new product that will be out in a year.  That might have noiC immediate effect on your company but it might affect your long termeH prospects and the stock price of your company would go down, even thoughH your company had no changes.  Or suppose that interest rates rise.  ThatG would encourage investors to put more money in bonds and less in stocks J which would also affect your company's stock price.  Or an election in sayD Germany affects what people believe will be the future of the GermanK economy, which changes exchange rates and thus the relative atractivness ofeK your company's sotck.  Such changes are going on all the time which acounts ( for a lot of the short term fluctuation.         --     -  Stephen Fuldh   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:22:56 +0100o1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>o1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicateo6 Message-ID: <3B687330.4D5FED09@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   Maynard Handley wrote: > E > In article <oMj87.274$Yx2.3846@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"P& > <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote: > O > > The stock market is pure black magic, legalized gambling.  It may once havel? > > had some rational basis, but that has long since been lost.e > >aN > > The board of directors of a corporation have a fiduciary responsibility toN > > the shareholders of the company to work in their best interest (which theyN > > have been elected to represent).  A company has no legal requirement to beK > > profitable, many startup companies expect to lose money for a number ofCM > > years - Yahoo for example has always been a loser.  Many companies return J > > some of the profits to the shareholders as dividends - but there is noM > > requirement to do so.  Most stocks (I dare say) have no dividend.  People-L > > buy non-dividend stocks based on some mythical, personal, or mathmaticalM > > evaluation of how valuable the company is (or future expectations of it's-N > > value - like all the dot coms), and then "bet" that other people will alsoN > > wanyt to buy the stock, so the law of supply and demand of available stock, > > will cause it's price to rise (or fall). > >oM > > At some level, there is the inherent worth of the company - it's book (oreN > > liquidation) value -- but it isn't uncommon to see companies trading belowL > > book in a down market.  A useful number is the price/earnings ratio - ofN > > course, I've never figured out how you determine reasonable values - 10 is@ > > better than 50, but how do you determine what is overvalued? > G > A good starting point is to actually go out and read an academic book G > about finance rather than posting ridiculous exaggerations on usenet.  > J > A company represents a stream of revenue over time, no more or less thanI > the stream of revenue from a loan or a mortgage. The main difference is L > that while the revenue stream from a loan or mortgage is very well to wellK > characterized (subject only to uncertainty like refinancing), the revenuee? > stream from a company is somewhat to extremely unpredictable. J > The value of a company at any time is essentially what the value of thatJ > revenue stream is believed to be by enough people who are willing to payJ > for that belief. (There may be many other people who do NOT believe thatL > the revenue stream is worth that much, and they may or may not be correct,$ > but their opinion doesn't matter.)G > As that revenue stream flows into the company, it may be disbursed tooL > shareholders as dividends, or it may be used to grow the company business,G > or it may be used to invest in other companies, or it may be used for G > empire building to grow the company into unrelated businesses. All ofMF > these behaviors will have apologists; some have justification in taxI > avoidance. Any halfway decent finance book will tell you about why theyiJ > occur and when they usually are or are not a good deal for shareholders. > I > The bottom line is that the concept of company valuations is not absurdoK > and meaningless. There may of coure be situations where a large number of L > people agree that the valuations others place on a company are ridiculous,0 > but reasonable people are allowed to disagree.I > If the stockmarket is gambling then, approached intelligently by peopleaJ > who understand how the system works, it is like being on the casino sideE > of gambling. Of course, like anything else, jumping in clueless andcK > assuming what you hear on CNNfn will make you rich is sheer stupidity, notF > different from deciding to take up flying by simply walking into theF > cockpit of a plane and deciding to play with the controls---sure theI > inbuilt stability of the plane and the safety features will protect youaK > most of the time---but when something unexpected happens the results willt > not be pretty. > 	 > Maynardd  > I wouldn't be so quick to put Fred down if I were you Maynard.H A company might be considered to be a source of revenue over a period of@ time (assuming that it can continue trading) but if I put out anC announcement tomorrow (or even just tell one or two contacts in thehG press if such a thing is legal) that my company isn't going to meet itsv@ revenue targets this year than the market loses confidence in myD company, sells its shares and my share price plummets.  I've seen itD happen.  It's not pretty but a multi-billion dollar company can loseF half of its perceived value overnight (as the company in question did)G and the fickle market takes time to build up confidence and share price  again - if indeed it ever does.,  F If one talks to certain authorities in this country they will be quiteE helpful and suggest that you DON'T make a "profit" (I prefer the termoG surplus since it has fewer connotations of champagne and wild parties -7G thank you John Cleese and Ronnie Corbett for that concept) in the firstt/ few years since it avoids any tax implications.   G As for what is over valued Fred, it's like how many accountants does iteG take to change a light bulb? "What kind of answer did you have in mind" 2 is the first answer, the other being "it depends".  @ Marks and Spencer in the UK used to trade (and may still) with aG liquidity or liquid ratio that in any other company would be suicidal.  B They worked on the concept that the goods would have turned over aE number of times before their suppliers' bills came due for payment soeD they would already have the revenue that they had generated from the sales in their bank.   Steve. -- hG "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likehE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.rA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"    ------------------------------    Date: 02 Aug 2001 00:07:05 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>w1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicatenH Message-ID: <y466c7wi2e.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  3 Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> writes:t  B > Marks and Spencer in the UK used to trade (and may still) with aI > liquidity or liquid ratio that in any other company would be suicidal. :D > They worked on the concept that the goods would have turned over aG > number of times before their suppliers' bills came due for payment soaF > they would already have the revenue that they had generated from the > sales in their bank.  J I thought that modus of operations was restricted to those Taiwanese shops slaping together PCs...o   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2001 16:14:57 -0700g/ From: Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com (Brannon Batson) 1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate = Message-ID: <4495ef1f.0108011514.75a1a53a@posting.google.com>.  W "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message news:<9k8uu2$9n6$1@pyrite.mv.net>...P7 > "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in messagei% > news:3B67EB5D.83F1A538@127.0.0.1...t > > Bill Todd wrote: > > > F > > > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message > > > >e2 > > > > Let us know what exactly will satisfy you. > > >i= > > > 1.  A credible explanation of the disparity between the0 >  performance-problemL > > > claims made about Alpha and the opinion of the Alpha engineering group >  that0M > > > no such problems existed (see a recent post in comp.arch by Paul DeMone4N > > > asserting yet another contact with said engineers to this effect).  This > > K > > I've read Paul's posts at comp.arch, and also most of his articles he's15 > > published. I'm still working my way through them.t > >sJ > > When speaking about EV8 he puts RAMBUS as a benefit to the design, yetC > > an earlier article discussing RAMBUS (and commenting on Intel'sML > > adoptions of thus) concludes it offers no, indeed a negative performance	 > > gain. I > > Nowhere does he critizise in the EV8 document the adoption of RAMBUS.4 > > I > > Where does this leave one thinking about other technical arguments he. > > puts? Do we see a pattern? > M > I certainly don't.  IIRC there's been discussion in comp.arch about whether M > EV8 would benefit from backing away from RAMBUS as Intel appears to have indI > at least some products.  And it's also worth noting that Alpha's use ofRJ > RAMBUS does not suffer from one of the significant performance (latency,K > IIRC) drawbacks that Intel's does, since Alpha builds the associated glueeN > right into the chip (details of this were also discussed, but I don't recallN > whether in comp.arch or in Paul's articles), so the situation is in fact not > identical. >  > - bill  C Intel's RAMBUS implementation and Alpha's are about as different as.F night and day.  I suggest that people reserve their reservations about% RAMBUS until they see Marvel systems.a   Brannon, not speaking for Compaqi   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:49:23 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate 8 Message-ID: <v17hmt8p37mmgutc0bstft1bi280itjtgj@4ax.com>  3 On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:46:54 +0100, andrew harrisont! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:s     >fD >Another data point may also help. Compaq claimed that they had SAP C >performance leadership based on the result of their SAP R4 2 tier  A >benchmark run. This claim omitted to mention that Fujitsu had a uE >better result for the same 2 tier benchmark at the time that Compaq -@ >published their white paper (sloppy research perhaps). It also B >ommitted to point out that SAP R4 3 tier which most customers useC >also has a benchmark which Compaq had not run and that the 3 tier -@ >benchmarks had a number of vendors supporting 8 x the number of< >connected users that Compaq were able to support with their= >2 tier result. Many customers would not know the difference 8@ >many customers would not bother to check Ideas or SAP to verify! >that the Compaq claim was false.s >e >   F Well, you can hardly blame anyone for overlooking Fujitsu.  I mean, if: they did mention them, the customers would just say "who?"   ;-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:37:57 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate , Message-ID: <3B68AEF3.E0B8C5F0@videotron.ca>   jlsue wrote:H > Well, you can hardly blame anyone for overlooking Fujitsu.  I mean, if< > they did mention them, the customers would just say "who?"  N It doesn't matter since Compaq nevert really defended Alpha's "world's fastestK chip" status. Just yesterday I heard a Yahoo report on real video about howuN the british were to build the world's fastest computer to calculate the originF of the universe or something to that order and that it was going to be supplied by Sun.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 03:58:20 GMTU From: "Bill" <billmuy@home.com> 1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicateR> Message-ID: <wd4a7.13823$Ke4.9217853@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com>  L "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y466c7wi2e.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...5 > Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk> writes:d >cD > > Marks and Spencer in the UK used to trade (and may still) with aJ > > liquidity or liquid ratio that in any other company would be suicidal.F > > They worked on the concept that the goods would have turned over aI > > number of times before their suppliers' bills came due for payment sonH > > they would already have the revenue that they had generated from the > > sales in their bank. > L > I thought that modus of operations was restricted to those Taiwanese shops > slaping together PCs...f >   K Dell has reduced this to a science.  From their Feb-April quarterly report:   , Days of sales in accounts receivable      301 Days of supply in inventory                     5 / Days in accounts payable                     59,- --------------------------------------------- 0 Cash conversion cycle                      (24 )  I A negative cash conversion cycle means they've tied up 35 days of cash in J inventory and what's owed to them, while they owe 59 days of unpaid bills.H In effect, they pay their suppliers 24 days *after* their customers have
 paid them.  D No wonder they've embarked on a scorched-earth policy wrt PC prices!   Bill   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2001 16:19:26 -0700l# From: paszty@xoma.com (Nick Paszty)p Subject: Apache htaccess files= Message-ID: <14ce1c21.0108011519.6376f638@posting.google.com>s   hello.  F we're running vms 7.1 on an alphaserver 800 5/333 and apache 1.3.12  iC have run the htpasswd.exe_alpha to create a .htpasswd file with one F user.  the file looks like it was successfuly created in the directory i want to store it in.  , so now i have sasapps:[xdss.pwords].htpasswd  @ i created a .htaccess file and put it in the directory under theC document root that i would like to protect. this is what that looksn like.<  2 AuthUserFile /lardat2disk/xdss/pwords/htpasswd.pwd AuthGroupFile nulg
 AuthName xdss  AuthType Basic <Limit GET>s require valid-user  B when i request a file in the directory i want to protect, i do getB prompted to authenticate but i can't seem to authenticate with the, credentials i created when running htpasswd.  8 here is the htaccess directive from the httpd.conf file.   #lD # This controls which options the .htaccess files in directories can? # override. Can also be "All", or any combination of "Options",  "FileInfo",k # "AuthConfig", and "Limit"a #m #    AllowOverride None      AllowOverride All, #u. # Controls who can get stuff from this server. #o     Order allow,deny     Allow from all </Directory>    
 any ideas?   thanks,l   nick   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2001 14:04:16 -0700f/ From: mark@dino.cacr.caltech.edu (Mark Bartelt)t, Subject: Re: Conference: CETS-2001 - Max ROI/ Message-ID: <9k9qsg$v0$1@dino.cacr.caltech.edu>    [ Jeff Killeen ]  3 >>  http://www.cets2001.com/cets/content/MAXROI.pdf  >> >>      ...or... >>3 >>  http://www.cets2001.com/cets/content/MAXROI.txtl  I On behalf of those of us (and I presume there are many!) who've witnessed-I things we've written -- whether a few paragraphs of text, or some programlI submitted to a SIG tape, or a useful shell script, or whatever -- show upcI in a different context, changed only minimally, and passed off as someoneeI else's work, with no credit to the original author, I'd just like to pass.I along a "well done" to whoever is responsible for the credit that appears  at the bottom of the last page.l  I I have no idea who G. Beau Williamson is, but the fact that someone citediI him as the original author on whose work that paper is based demonstratessI a level of professionalism which, sad to say, is seen too infrequently inw our line of work.a  I Mark Bartelt                                                 626 395 2522nI Center for Advanced Computing Research              mark@cacr.caltech.eduoI California Institute of Technology      http://www.cacr.caltech.edu/~mark   I "Clothes not busy being worn are busy drying."  --  Dylan, on laundry day ?           [ singing "It's all right, ma (I'm only bleaching)" ]    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:42:24 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>t: Subject: Re: Converting Vax macro to Alpha - Error message; Message-ID: <Kf2a7.50378$uH4.3132321@news20.bellglobal.com>r  < "Perry MacInnis" <perrymac@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote in message* news:OAU97.2608$Z2.11380@nnrp1.uunet.ca...( > Here's the problem, hope you can help. >eA > Converting Vax macros to alpha and getting this error messages:e > / >  FILE_LOCK::  .WORD 8.,0,0, FILE_LOCK_MSG_LEN  >  ^- >  %AMAC-I-UNALGLOLAB, unaligned global labels@ >  at line number 81 in file MASTER$DKA500:[TEMP.MAR]THCMN.MAR;2 >   >  FILE_LOCK_MSG::  .ASCII /   / >  ^- >  %AMAC-I-UNALGLOLAB, unaligned global label-@ >  at line number 82 in file MASTER$DKA500:[TEMP.MAR]THCMN.MAR;2 >  > Here is line 81 and 82:n >a. > FILE_LOCK::  .WORD 8.,0,0, FILE_LOCK_MSG_LEN > FILE_LOCK_MSG::  .ASCII /   /. >FI These are not error messages, they are just informationals (check out theM "-I-"$L in the middle of the message). Your Alpha will probably pay a small run-timeJ penalty for leaving the label unaligned but this is not a big deal for theL occasional user message (e.g. file lock msg). However, it wouldn't be a good; idea to reference this location 10,000 times within a loop.e  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,h Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/(   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2001 22:24:22 -0500g9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)s: Subject: Re: Converting Vax macro to Alpha - Error message3 Message-ID: <dql5+UJv80An@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  K > These are not error messages, they are just informationals (check out theo > "-I-"uN > in the middle of the message). Your Alpha will probably pay a small run-timeL > penalty for leaving the label unaligned but this is not a big deal for theN > occasional user message (e.g. file lock msg). However, it wouldn't be a good= > idea to reference this location 10,000 times within a loop.l  E But fixing them is good programming training, and will smooth the waya2 for the next person who might notice the "errors".  % Happiness is a silent compilation :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:56:49 GMTeL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")C Subject: CSWS 1.1 - how to set default extensions for CGI programs? 8 Message-ID: <009FFE44.2ECA15AA@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   Environmente -----------  CSWS 1.1 DS20Et	 VMS 7.2-1 % Multinet 4.3 with appropriate patcheso    H It appears that in the more-or-less default configuration, where cgi-binC is the script library, a reference to  FILE will be interpreted as r
 FILE.COM, eg    
 /cgi-bin/FILEi  / will find and run apache$root:[cgi-bin]FILE.COMr  * and if there is a FILE.EXE and no FILE.COM  ( /cgi-bin/FILE         won't find it, but+ /cgi-bin/FILE.EXE     will find and run it.c    H On the OSU webserver, I can edit WWWEXEC to make it handle whatever fileK extensions I want in whatever order, although it has to explicitly say whatmF the process is to execute each type.  (EG, .pl and .cgi have to invokeH PERL, where I think I could have Apache specify a handler for those file types.)r  I What do I do if I want the CSWS/Apache script processing to look for, eg,o   FILE.COM FILE.CGI FILE.PLm FILE.EXE FILE.PY     F in that order and execute the first one it finds, presumably using the appropriate handler if defined?o   Thanks,l   -- Alani    O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056aM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210lO ===============================================================================a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:05:19 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e Subject: DCL... Oops...o0 Message-ID: <009FFE4D.C06D0A83@SendSpamHere.ORG>  L I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results) here.  Please include the version of VMS.      $ HELP   HELP  D    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayE    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?".    prompt, you can:h  I       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help.k  I       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to usen
         HELP.k  I       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command oru&         topic for which you need help.  A       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.w  I       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requesteda
         text.l      ( Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y]   $ DEFINE THIS THAT
 $ CONTINUE    	 Thanks...o   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             nJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesa   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:09:48 GMTs+ From: Jeff Campbell <jcampbell@ins-msi.com>e Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...y* Message-ID: <3B68A141.6FFE728@ins-msi.com>   $ defi this that $ cont  B   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005g1                         Name   = 000000000000000Ce1                                  0000000000010000e1                                  7FFAD25200000004"1                                  7FFAD25200000004n1                                  0000000000000012o       Register dump:9     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007FFAD788  R2  =  00000000000000009     R3  = 0000000000000004  R4  = 0000000000000000  R5  =e 00000000000000009     R6  = 000000007FFAD778  R7  = 000000007FFAD778  R8  =s 000000007FFABD489     R9  = 000000007FFABF50  R10 = 000000007FFADFC0  R11 =. 000000007FFCE3E09     R12 = 000000007B6764C4  R13 = 000000007B01C6A0  R14 =t FFFFFFFF80DCF6809     R15 = 000000007B01B990  R16 = 000000000000001B  R17 =  00000000000000009     R18 = 000000007FFAD780  R19 = 000000007FFAD778  R20 =e 00000000000000089     R21 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFF55  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 =  00000000000000019     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000000  R26 =h 000000007FFADFC09     R27 = 0000000000000008  R28 = 7FFAD25200000004  R29 =  7B06F4C60000000B9     SP  = 000000007FFABD05  PC  = 7FFAD25200000004  PS  =e 0500000000000012; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual : address=000000000000000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=00000002 $ show system/noprocA OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node DS5K3   1-AUG-2001 20:32:02.84  Uptime  5i 03:44:14 $   
 Jeff Campbella n8wxs@arrl.net    & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > N > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results+ > here.  Please include the version of VMS.t >  > $ HELP >  > HELP > F >    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayG >    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?"t >    prompt, you can:o > K >       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help.a > K >       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to use  >         HELP.s > K >       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command or ( >         topic for which you need help. > C >       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.o > K >       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requestede >         text.a > * > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] >  > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > $ CONTINUE >  > Thanks...e >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM5 > K >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fierygK >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbest   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:35:30 -0700r< From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com> Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...t) Message-ID: <3B68A052.1030E961@intel.com>   P Oh, that's a fun one, Brian.  Almost as good as my Ctrl-Y/DEBUG stack corruption? problem that took 3 years to get fixed (in VMS721_SYS-V1000)...h  O On both an ES40 at VMS 7.2-1, and an AS4100 at VMS 7.1-1H2, I get the following' after typing CONTINUE:   Khfairfi> continue  B   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005s1                         Name   = 000000000000000Cp1                                  0000000000010000a1                                  0000000000000004r1                                  000000000000000441                                  0000000000000012t       Register dump:J     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007FFAD788  R2  = 0000000000000000J     R3  = 0000000000000004  R4  = 0000000000000000  R5  = 0000000000000000J     R6  = 000000007FFAD778  R7  = 000000007FFAD778  R8  = 000000007FFABD48J     R9  = 000000007FFABF50  R10 = 000000007FFADFC0  R11 = 000000007FFCE3E0J     R12 = 000000007ED229E0  R13 = 000000007EE14550  R14 = FFFFFFFF8741B800J     R15 = 0000000000000100  R16 = 000000000000001B  R17 = 0000000000000000J     R18 = 000000007FFAD780  R19 = 0000000000000000  R20 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF8J     R21 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFF94  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = 0000000000000001J     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000000  R26 = 000000007FFADFC0J     R27 = 0000000000000008  R28 = 7FFAD25400000004  R29 = 7EE695FE0000000BJ     SP  = 000000007FFABD15  PC  = 7FFAD25400000004  PS  = 1500000000000012P %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=000000000000& 000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=00000002	 Khfairfi>p  K It would be interesting if this was related to the afore mentioned problem.j3 If it was, it _might_ be fixed by VMS721_SYS-V1000.n       -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  N > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results+ > here.  Please include the version of VMS.t >  > $ HELP >h > HELP >tF >    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayG >    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?"o >    prompt, you can:3 >eK >       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help.d >aK >       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to use  >         HELP.e >tK >       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command oru( >         topic for which you need help. > C >       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.a >wK >       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requesteds >         text.h >d* > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] >w > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > $ CONTINUE >- > Thanks...e >e > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMR >AK >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fierynK >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:33:14 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>l Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...f, Message-ID: <3B68ADD9.B490ABD8@videotron.ca>  )  > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:r > P > > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results- > > here.  Please include the version of VMS.g > >t
 > > $ HELP, > > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] > >e > > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > > $ CONTINUE  ; VAX VMS 7.2 , it works fine.  ( I know it isn't an Alpha ).t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:43:10 GMT.- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>f Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...r) Message-ID: <273a7.2581$K6.1078212@news2>t   All,   Same results...o  K VMS 7.2-1 AlphaStation 4/266  Fully patched as of SYS V10.0/Update 3.0 (Midk July)p    B   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005i1                         Name   = 000000000000000C 1                                  0000000000010000e1                                  7FFAD25400000004 1                                  7FFAD25400000004 1                                  0000000000000012        Register dump:J     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007FFAD788  R2  = 0000000000000000J     R3  = 0000000000000004  R4  = 0000000000000000  R5  = 0000000000000000J     R6  = 000000007FFAD778  R7  = 000000007FFAD778  R8  = 000000007FFABD48J     R9  = 000000007FFABF50  R10 = 000000007FFADFC0  R11 = 000000007FFCE3E0J     R12 = 000000007B676584  R13 = 000000007B01C6A0  R14 = FFFFFFFF8143A800J     R15 = 000000007B01B990  R16 = 000000000000001B  R17 = 000000007FFAD778J     R18 = 000000007FFAD778  R19 = 0000000000000000  R20 = 0000000000000000J     R21 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFF55  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = 0000000000000001J     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000000  R26 = 000000007FFADFC0J     R27 = 0000000000000008  R28 = 7FFAD25400000004  R29 = 7B06F4C60000000BJ     SP  = 000000007FFABD05  PC  = 7FFAD25400000004  PS  = 0500000000000012; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual1 address=000000000000& 000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=000000028 "Jeff Campbell" <jcampbell@ins-msi.com> wrote in message$ news:3B68A141.6FFE728@ins-msi.com... > $ defi this that > $ cont > D >   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.3 >     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005x3 >                         Name   = 000000000000000Cd3 >                                  0000000000010000t3 >                                  7FFAD25200000004i3 >                                  7FFAD25200000004d3 >                                  0000000000000012s >  >     Register dump:; >     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007FFAD788  R2  =o > 0000000000000000; >     R3  = 0000000000000004  R4  = 0000000000000000  R5  =h > 0000000000000000; >     R6  = 000000007FFAD778  R7  = 000000007FFAD778  R8  =i > 000000007FFABD48; >     R9  = 000000007FFABF50  R10 = 000000007FFADFC0  R11 =i > 000000007FFCE3E0; >     R12 = 000000007B6764C4  R13 = 000000007B01C6A0  R14 =i > FFFFFFFF80DCF680; >     R15 = 000000007B01B990  R16 = 000000000000001B  R17 =  > 0000000000000000; >     R18 = 000000007FFAD780  R19 = 000000007FFAD778  R20 =  > 0000000000000008; >     R21 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFF55  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 =  > 0000000000000001; >     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000000  R26 =m > 000000007FFADFC0; >     R27 = 0000000000000008  R28 = 7FFAD25200000004  R29 =- > 7B06F4C60000000B; >     SP  = 000000007FFABD05  PC  = 7FFAD25200000004  PS  =  > 0500000000000012= > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual < > address=000000000000000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=00000002 > $ show system/noprocC > OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node DS5K3   1-AUG-2001 20:32:02.84  Uptime  5t
 > 03:44:14 > $p >o > Jeff Campbellr > n8wxs@arrl.net >a >G( > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > > H > > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the resultse- > > here.  Please include the version of VMS.u > > 
 > > $ HELP > >p > > HELP > >wH > >    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayI > >    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?"h > >    prompt, you can:i > > G > >       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need  help.f > >eI > >       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how tok use  > >         HELP.  > > J > >       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command or* > >         topic for which you need help. > >iE > >       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.  > >oC > >       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently 	 requested  > >         text.  > >,, > > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] > >- > > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > > $ CONTINUE > >-
 > > Thanks...i > >c > > --6 > > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > >-G > >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my< fierycF > >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:05:48 -0400p2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: DCL... Oops..._L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0108012305490001@user-2ive6l5.dialup.mindspring.com>  O In article <009FFE4D.C06D0A83@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:/  N > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results+ > here.  Please include the version of VMS.  $ define this that
 $ continue  B   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005y1                         Name   = 000000000000000Cn1                                  0000000000010000l1                                  0000000000000004e1                                  0000000000000004a1                                  0000000000000012i       Register dump:J     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007FFAD788  R2  = 0000000000000000J     R3  = 0000000000000004  R4  = 0000000000000000  R5  = 0000000000000000J     R6  = 000000007FFAD778  R7  = 000000007FFAD778  R8  = 000000007FFABD48J     R9  = 000000007FFABF50  R10 = 000000007FFADFC0  R11 = 000000007FFCE3E0J     R12 = 000000007AFA49E0  R13 = 000000007B070550  R14 = FFFFFFFF8158EB00J     R15 = 0000000000000100  R16 = 000000000000001B  R17 = 0000000000000000J     R18 = 000000007FFAD780  R19 = 0000000000000000  R20 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF8J     R21 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFF94  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = 0000000000000001J     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000000  R26 = 000000007FFADFC0J     R27 = 0000000000000008  R28 = 7FFAD25400000004  R29 = 7B0C56860000000BJ     SP  = 000000007FFABD15  PC  = 7FFAD25400000004  PS  = 1500000000000012P %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=000000000000& 000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=00000002       $ sho sys/noprocL OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node YUCK!!   1-AUG-2001 23:04:34.13  Uptime  15 03:03:55   -- N Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:27:47 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...i6 Message-ID: <1010802002550.47969A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  # On Wed, 1 Aug 2001, JF Mezei wrote:   + >  > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:o > > R > > > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results/ > > > here.  Please include the version of VMS.f > > >  > > > $ HELP. > > > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] > > >n > > > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > > > $ CONTINUE > = > VAX VMS 7.2 , it works fine.  ( I know it isn't an Alpha ).e  B VAX VMS V7.1 also works fine.  Alpha VMS V7.2-1 and Alpha VMS V7.35 both stack-dump, looks identical to other posts here.x   -- y John Santosh Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 05:09:20 GMTe From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: DCL... Oops.../' Message-ID: <3B68E07F.500EAF6B@home.nl>o   VMS 7.3 (Alpha)C   Stackdump (access violation)   Regards,   Dirk      & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  N > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results+ > here.  Please include the version of VMS.= >= > $ HELP >= > HELP >AF >    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayG >    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?": >    prompt, you can:O >XK >       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help.= >=K >       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to useh >         HELP.: >1K >       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command orc( >         topic for which you need help. >DC >       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.y > K >       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requested  >         text.  >T* > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] >l > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > $ CONTINUE >a > Thanks...o >. > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMm >dK >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fierydK >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesi   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2001 23:42:54 -0500o7 From: hamilton@encompasserve.org (Bradford J. Hamilton)e' Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...also on V7.3 3 Message-ID: <7vVM075pNmEw@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  	 Hi Brian,e   Same behavior under V7.3...      COYOTE::SY18889 $ sh sys/noproc I OpenVMS V7.3  on node COYOTE   1-AUG-2001 23:38:59.82  Uptime  5 08:59:40e COYOTE::SY18889 $ sho cpu1  ' COYOTE, a Digital Personal WorkStation nH Multiprocessing is DISABLED. Uniprocessing synchronization image loaded.   Primary CPU = 000i	 CPU sets:n    Active               0     Configure            0-    Powered Down         None    Potential            0     Autostart            0j    Failover             None COYOTE::SY18889 $ help <snip> Press RETURN to continue ... o  Interrupt t  " COYOTE::SY18889 $ define this that COYOTE::SY18889 $ continue  B   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 000000000000000501                         Name   = 000000000000000C01                                  000000000001000001                                  7FFAD2540000000401                                  7FFAD2540000000411                                  00000000000000120       Register dump:J     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007FFAD788  R2  = 0000000000000000J     R3  = 0000000000000004  R4  = 0000000000000000  R5  = 0000000000000000J     R6  = 000000007FFAD778  R7  = 000000007FFAD778  R8  = 000000007FFABD48J     R9  = 000000007FFABF50  R10 = 000000007FFADFC0  R11 = 000000007FFCE3E0J     R12 = 000000007B6B05A9  R13 = 000000007AFF6590  R14 = FFFFFFFF815E4840J     R15 = 000000007AFF5880  R16 = 000000000000001B  R17 = 0000000000000000J     R18 = 000000007FFAD780  R19 = 000000007FFAD778  R20 = 0000000000000008J     R21 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFF94  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = 0000000000000001J     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000000  R26 = 000000007FFADFC0J     R27 = 0000000000000008  R28 = 7FFAD25400000004  R29 = 7B0498860000000BJ     SP  = 000000007FFABD05  PC  = 7FFAD25400000004  PS  = 0500000000000012v %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=000000000000000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=00000002 COYOTE::SY18889 $ q >In article <009FFE4D.C06D0A83@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:rN > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results+ > here.  Please include the version of VMS.l >  >  > $ HELP >  > HELP > F >    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayG >    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?"o >    prompt, you can:  > K >       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help.w > K >       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to usec >         HELP.s > K >       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command ore( >         topic for which you need help. > C >       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.E > K >       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requestedt >         text.e >  >  > * > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] >  > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > $ CONTINUE >  >  > Thanks...h >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM(
 >             L >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery K >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:23:14 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>n! Subject: Re: DECnet card password.' Message-ID: <3B686532.21BD5133@iee.org>c   David D Miller wrote:o >  > G'day. > F > This message has been cross-posted on Info-pdp11.  Any help would be > appreciated.   [from included message]: > K > My thanks to Bill and Megan for clarifying that this is a DEUNA card set.fI > Apparently the question I should be asking is, "where can I get a DEUNAn8 > manual?".  Is there an on-line source for old manuals?  + Start at http://montagar.com/~patj/hcps.htm = and then hit http://208.190.133.201/decimages/moremanuals.htm  (which I believe may move)  1 The DEUNA drawings are there. Some of the manuals # will undoubtedly pop up eventually.0  & (It's not my site ... there's an email& address under "project status" on that first page).   Antonio0   --     ---------------2- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org4   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 03:29:35 GMT7$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>/ Subject: Re: DECserver 700 documentation needed0) Message-ID: <3B68C9D0.88D45D78@wi.rr.com>    Bob:  \ I'm pretty handy with 700s.  Feel free to email me directly if you have questions during theV day (svieth@wi.rr.com) on configuring your 700.  I only read c.o.v. at night when it's quiet...  
 -Scott :^)   Bob Kaplow wrote:F  \ > In article <0033000031023531000002L012*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:$ > > =0AWhat information do you need? > > C > > The only thing I've got is the Site Preparation and Maintenance0: > > (Hardware Owner's Manual), and a quick reference card. > >0E > > If what you need to know can be answered succinctly, I'll post ita > > for you. >0M > I'm setting one up from scratch for use with ConsoleWorks. It's been a LONGtI > time since I've done DECservers, and never a 700. The first problem wasgN > figuring out how to go from RJ-45 to MMJ for my terminal to do the set-up. IL > ended up with more adapters connected to a piece of wire than I'd considerK > appropriate, but it works. But I think I found what I need to figure thiseM > out in the VMS FAQ. Is there a simple set of instructions for building thate > flat MMJ to RJ-45 cable? >h. > At any rate, someone emailed me a pointer toM > http://www.dnpg.com/dr/hubs/servers/manuals/ If that doesn't give me what I3% > need, I'll post specific questions.c   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 00:51:28 GMTT+ From: dscheidt@tumbolia.com (David Scheidt)h' Subject: Re: DECWORLD 2001 Byte article + Message-ID: <9ka86g$nd1$1@bob.news.rcn.net>a  = In alt.sys.pdp10 Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote: P : In article <9icu0m$17e1$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu says... :>A :>Will the earth be here 25 years from now??  If it is, I have nos@ :>reason to believe all the stuff ont he web will go away.  Even :>that with little or no value.O  E : I'm less certain.  For example, show me where on the web I can finduE : a 15-year old version of EMACS.  Or on what FTP site I can find all'M : the PDP-10 software that was on SIMTEL-20 for public FTP in the early 90's.dJ : These were major tools that were being electronically distributed at theL : time via the most major distribution hubs of their time, yet today I don't : know where to find them.  G Information storage costs have gone down quite a bit in the last decade>J though.  Not just the cost of raw disk (It's hard to buy a pc that doesn'tI have what, 5 or 10 years ago, would have been considered more than anyonedL really needed), the prevelance of CD writers, and things like that, but alsoH the cost of transport, and the cost of access.  I'm hopefull that thingsA from today will be better preserved than they were in the past.  -     -- - dscheidt@tumbolia.com0 Bipedalism is only a fad.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:06:43 +0200-) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> : Subject: Re: exploitable buffer overflows in VMS possible?, Message-ID: <3B688B83.AA0B38A8@infopuls.com>   mulp wrote:r > B > "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> wrote in message' > news:9i1dum$m8l$1@venus.telepac.pt... K > > Over the last year hackers/security experts (often not distinguishable)  > haveM > > identified unchecked buffers in lots of commercial programs (both on Unix L > > and Windows). Usually this is done by sending unusually large IP-packets > orF > > other input to a program. There even exist tools to do these testsM > > systematically. The result of such a buffer overflow is usually that some0H > > other data structure or the stack is corrupted, so the program under	 > attacks 	 > > dies.A > N > This problem generally happens because of poor API design.  unix programmersL > set a standard for simple, fragile APIs because it makes programming easy.   :-)0  N > VMS has a different history, drawing on languages like Fortran and operatingF > systems like RSX.  C programmers hate the APIs that result.  RMS, isM > particularly hated, but so are item lists.  All of these interfaces contain0J > a data structure that points to the buffer, has a buffer size value, andN > often has a pointer or location to contain the actual data.  And then, worstM > of all, the API returns a status  or two that the programmer is expected tov > check. > J > Its so much easier to have an API that says size=read(*here); there's no( > errors, no complicated arguments, etc.   :-)r  M > Still, good APIs don't ensure that an error won't be made; I seem to recalltD > that there once was a bug related to buffer overrun in loginout or: > something.  Still, its not a regular occurance with VMS.  4 Sorry for keeping all but it's worth to be repeated.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:20:44 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> Subject: Re: f$parse glitchd* Message-ID: <3B68487C.387E77D7@oracle.com>  7 this works just fine on my VMS V7.3 and V7.1 systems.  03 I suspect that you probably have a defined logical 00 LDR20_NAV_DEV.  Do SHOW LOGICAL *LDR20_NAV_DEV*.   Chris Goudy wrote: >  > Hello, > 8 > Here's a strange glitch I think I've found in f$parse. >  > The Command: > 1 > parsed_file = f$parse("LDR20_NAV_DEV",,,"NAME")  > write sys$output parsed_file > # > This should return: LDR20_NAV_DEVB# > bcause there is no extension etc.  > $ > It actually returns: LDR00_NAV_DEV9 > ?????? why did F$parse decide to change my '2' to a '0'F > E > This works with anything (at least anything else I've tried) exceptF! > this combination of characters.0 >  > Try it out. It is very weird.2 >  > Put this in a COM file:0 >  > file = P1 & > parsed_file = f$parse(file,,,"NAME") > write sys$output parsed_file > : > Then run it and pass values into it.  Like, "LDR20_NAV",, > "LDR20_NAV_DEV", "CAG20_NAV_DEV" etc. etc. > > > The only thing it will change is LDR20_NAV_DEV?!?!?!??!?!?!?   -- r> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:51:10 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>r6 Subject: Re: how to write sys$output without linefeed?$ Message-ID: <3b688836$1@news.si.com>  ( > Reverse line feed is your friend here. >u% > $ENDLINE == ESC + "7" + ESC + "[1A"s > $STARTLINE == ESC + "8"E > ' > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Hello how",ENDLINE ( > $WRITE SYS$OUTPUT STARTLINE," are you"  = I use this technique when writing my prompt.  I set it up as:o   $       if ansih $       thenK $           col = f$string('f$getdvi("tt:","devbufsiz")' + 1 - node_length)wH $           prompt = esc + "7" + csi + "0;" + col + "H" + csi + "7m" + ->                      node_name + csi + "0m" + esc + "8" + "$ "" $           set prompt="''prompt'" $       else* $           set prompt = "''node_name' $ "
 $       endifo  L For an ANSI terminal, this saves the cursor position, repositions the cursorH in the top right corner of the screen, writes the systems's node name inF inverse video, then resets the cursor back to where it originally was,H placing a dollar sign where you'd expect it.  Works on whatever size the screen is set to.  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comAA Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.como= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventh< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2001 17:32 CDT' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)- Subject: Re: HyperSort, Message-ID: <1AUG200117322683@gerg.tamu.edu>  C In article <VA.00000409.578060f1@sture.ch>, paul@sture.ch writes...ON }In article <OF0D2D7EE6.46A63B8C-ON85256A99.006DFB85@lightbridge.com>,  wrote:H }> Does anyone know of any hidden "gotchas" in using the Alpha Hypersort }> utility?  It seems thatN }>    even if you define the sortshr logical to hypersort.exe the system still$ }> uses sortmerge.exe in some cases. }>   }Which version of VMS? }___ }Paul Sture  }Switzerland  M Check the on-line SORT help. There are some options that the high performance0 version doesn't support, like:             /COLLATING_SEQUENCE  [...] F           High-performance Sort/Merge: The high-performance Sort/MergeH           utility currently supports all collating sequences except NCS.             /PROCESS [...]0F           High-performance Sort/Merge: The high-performance Sort/Merge=           utility currently supports only the record process.              /SPECIFICATION8           Identifies a Sort or Merge specification file.  F           High-performance Sort/Merge: The high-performance Sort/MergeE           utility does not currently support the use of specification            files.  F If you hit one of that cases that the high performance version doesn'tG support, I would hope that it uses the regular version instead of doing0 nothing.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:59:34 GMT6. From: Burnie M <burniem.NOSPAM@ozemail.com.au>: Subject: Re: IA64 v. Alpha published technical compoarison8 Message-ID: <gu5hmtobn9kiklnvhgoi4kf6gukkqftp21@4ax.com>  @ On 31 Jul 2001 08:19:12 -0700, philipp.lewis@deutsche-boerse.com (philip lewis) wrote:U  E >Well, has everyone read this?  Can anyone tell me why the apparentlygC >well formulated and understood criticisms of the IA64 architectureaC >previously enunciated by CompaQ (I guess Alpha engineering) are no  >longer true ??? >o9 >http://www.alphapowered.com/presentations/alpha_ia64.pdfo    D Both that statement then and Compaqs statements now are a mixture of truth and 'marketing'.  . You decide which is which (both then and now).   Cheers,n	 	Burnie Me   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:47:50 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>: Subject: Re: IA64 v. Alpha published technical compoarison8 Message-ID: <t08hmtgvqdbis8bcqj0lcbdlud8tn9miaa@4ax.com>  3 On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:15:33 -0500, "Dave Gudewicz" " <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote:   >Good question.l >sI >Perhaps the long term plan is to take the goodness of Alpha and blend ita >into a future IPF chip. >9G >But if that is the case, Intel wins.  That's OK I guess, but what doeseM >Compaq stand to gain?  The details of the agreement are sketchy at best.  At6 >least to us outsiders.  >M  C Well, for starters, the announcement says that Intel *licenses* the  technology from Compaq.V  E In the long run, assuming IA64 becomes a high-volume chip, this could " be a fairly constant cash in-flow.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:30:54 -0400H- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t: Subject: Re: IA64 v. Alpha published technical compoarison, Message-ID: <3B68AD4C.9C20209E@videotron.ca>   jlsue wrote:E > Well, for starters, the announcement says that Intel *licenses* the= > technology from Compaq.O > G > In the long run, assuming IA64 becomes a high-volume chip, this could $ > be a fairly constant cash in-flow.    M Are you sure about that ? Is there an official statement that backs this up ?   K I would strongly suspect that this would have been a finite deal that would N not be tied to the volume of IA64s produced/sold by Intel to anyone. And sinceM Intel has access to individual patents and to the employees, I would think itTJ would be next to impossible to quantify the "inspiration" that Intel takes from the alpha bits.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:12:31 GMTo* From: cjt & trefoil <cheljuba@prodigy.net>: Subject: Re: IA64 v. Alpha published technical compoarison+ Message-ID: <3B68B767.793D7826@prodigy.net>   J I haven't seen anything saying royalties are involved.  Maybe it's a fully paid up license.   jlsue wrote: > 5 > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:15:33 -0500, "Dave Gudewicz"c$ > <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote: >  > >Good question.  > > K > >Perhaps the long term plan is to take the goodness of Alpha and blend it3 > >into a future IPF chip. > >OI > >But if that is the case, Intel wins.  That's OK I guess, but what doespO > >Compaq stand to gain?  The details of the agreement are sketchy at best.  At  > >least to us outsiders.v > >  > E > Well, for starters, the announcement says that Intel *licenses* theP > technology from Compaq.A > G > In the long run, assuming IA64 becomes a high-volume chip, this could $ > be a fairly constant cash in-flow.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2001 19:47:42 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n" Subject: Re: IPF Console Bootstrap3 Message-ID: <VOuS6Bk$VryR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <3B688ED4.1DB49BB9@applied-synergy.com>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >> 0N >> Nope.  The console ROM has full support for network booting.  It uses "PXE"M >> (preboot execution environment) which uses things like DHCP, and MTFTP.  I L >> am by no means an expert, but our expert tells me that this will not be a >> problem.0 > 8 > What do you do for the first machine you get in house?  8 That situation should be no different from Alpha or VAX.7 If you have only one machine, insert the CDROM into it. 7 Only if you have multiple machines does a central place + to have the CDROM mounted become important.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:37:46 GMT03 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> ? Subject: Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)0/ Message-ID: <3B682EC4.4ED4B9AB@cableinet.co.uk>0   JF Mezei wrote:0 > L > OK, so Fred has explained that the IFE console will get all its cool stuffM > (utilities/applications) from a FAT partition that lives as an ODS2 file on2 > the system disk. > P > This means that upon power up, if I want to check system sanity, format drivesQ > etc, the console will have to access the system disk to fetch those "programs".> > J > How will that translate where there is no system disk and the machine is% > expected to boot from the network ?l  G presumably if there is no network boot support in ROM you run a network  boot   program from floppy or CD. T -- H Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  L  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of n! my employers or service provider.o   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:51:00 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>S? Subject: Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)s1 Message-ID: <EdY97.512$Yx2.9528@news.cpqcorp.net>f  K Nope.  The console ROM has full support for network booting.  It uses "PXE" J (preboot execution environment) which uses things like DHCP, and MTFTP.  II am by no means an expert, but our expert tells me that this will not be a  problem.    E Tim Llewellyn wrote in message <3B682EC4.4ED4B9AB@cableinet.co.uk>...E >I >H >JF Mezei wrote: >>G >> OK, so Fred has explained that the IFE console will get all its coolA stuff K >> (utilities/applications) from a FAT partition that lives as an ODS2 files on >> the system disk.  >>J >> This means that upon power up, if I want to check system sanity, format drivesF >> etc, the console will have to access the system disk to fetch those "programs".0 >>K >> How will that translate where there is no system disk and the machine isr& >> expected to boot from the network ? >cH >presumably if there is no network boot support in ROM you run a network >bootd >program from floppy or CD.l >--  >Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk >sC >Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of " >my employers or service provider.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 18:20:52 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ? Subject: Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)93 Message-ID: <3B688ED4.1DB49BB9@applied-synergy.com>e   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > M > Nope.  The console ROM has full support for network booting.  It uses "PXE"'L > (preboot execution environment) which uses things like DHCP, and MTFTP.  IK > am by no means an expert, but our expert tells me that this will not be a 
 > problem.  6 What do you do for the first machine you get in house?       G > Tim Llewellyn wrote in message <3B682EC4.4ED4B9AB@cableinet.co.uk>...e > >7 > >c > >JF Mezei wrote: > >>I > >> OK, so Fred has explained that the IFE console will get all its cool  > stuffeM > >> (utilities/applications) from a FAT partition that lives as an ODS2 fileo > on > >> the system disk.l > >>L > >> This means that upon power up, if I want to check system sanity, format > drivesH > >> etc, the console will have to access the system disk to fetch those
 > "programs".W > >>M > >> How will that translate where there is no system disk and the machine iso( > >> expected to boot from the network ? > >lJ > >presumably if there is no network boot support in ROM you run a network > >bootc > >program from floppy or CD.  > >--0  > >Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk > > E > >Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those ofv$ > >my employers or service provider.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------e$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com i   Fax: 817-237-3074I   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:10:37 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>t% Subject: Re: NCL Command Disassembler,' Message-ID: <3B68623D.E1F7357E@iee.org>/  A > I'm looking for a tool to disassemble the NCL parser tables (in3E > SYS$SHARE, named *$GLOBALSECTION.DAT), and a tool to rebuild them --H > similar to the VERB and SET COMMAND utilities to modify the DCLTABLES.  4 I've never seen such a tool. In fact I've never seen2 any docs for the format of the global section file2 (although I assume there must be some somewhere!).  & Parsing is feasible (although probably! very tricky) but rebuilding it iss somewhat ambitious!     What is it that you want to add?   Antonio    -- s   ---------------v- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:28:00 GMTw2 From: "John Fredrickson" <jafred@bellatlantic.net>( Subject: Need help with AlphaStation 2005 Message-ID: <4g0a7.417$_s.82829@typhoon1.gnilink.net>    Guys,c  E I recently purchased an AlphaStation 200 4/233 that I plan to installo! OpenVMS on. I have several needs:v  H 1. I need a schematic of the motherboard. I want to set the jumpers thatH allows me to use the serial port as the console rather than the graphicsG monitor. The CPU is missing the graphics controller and I don't want to   spend a lot of money to buy one.  G 2. I also need a ARC console manual that describes all the commands. IfnE there's a AS200 release notes or install guide, I could use that too.h  G I've searched the Compaq web site as well as the old gatekeeper.dec.commI site, but to no avail. If any of you can help me with this I'd appreciates it.t   Regards,   John Fredrickson Washington, DC        ! begin 666 John A. Fredrickson.vcf0= M0D5'24XZ5D-!4D0-"E9%4E-)3TXZ,BXQ#0I..D9R961R:6-K<V]N.TIO:&X[s= M02X-"D9..DIO:&X@02X@1G)E9')I8VMS;VX-"DY)0TM.04U%.DIO:&X-"D]2l= M1SI#4U,-"E1)5$Q%.D]W;F5R#0I414P[5T]22SM63TE#13HH,C R*2 V.#(Mr= M.#(Y. T*5$5,.TA/344[5D])0T4Z*#(P,BD@,C,R+3@Q,#(-"E1%3#M73U)+n= M.T9!6#HH,C R*2 V.#(M.#4R,0T*5$5,.TA/344[1D%8.B@R,#(I(#(S,BTXe= M,3 R#0I!1%([5T]22SH[.S(Q-#4@0V%L:69O<FYI82!3=')E970L($Y7(",S = M,#$[5V%S:&EN9W1O;CM$0SLR,# P."TQ.#$V.U5N:71E9"!3=&%T97,@;V8@l= M06UE<FEC80T*3$%"14P[5T]22SM%3D-/1$E.1SU154]4140M4%))3E1!0DQ%e= M.C(Q-#4@0V%L:69O<FYI82!3=')E970L($Y7(",S,#$],$0],$%787-H:6YGo= M=&]N+"!$0R R,# P."TQ.#$V/3!$/3!!56YI=&5D(%,]#0IT871E<R!O9B!!m= M;65R:6-A#0I54DP[5T]22SIH='1P.B\O=W=W+F%P:2YO<F<-"D5-04E,.U!2s= M148[24Y415).150Z:F%F<F5D0&)E;&QA=&QA;G1I8RYN970-"D5-04E,.TE.e= M5$523D54.F9R961R:6-K<V]N:D!A<&DN;W)G#0I2158Z,C P,3 X,#%4,C,Rr 1,S$P6@T*14Y$.E9#05)$#0H`r `I endg   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 00:13:55 GMTt. From: Burnie M <burniem.NOSPAM@ozemail.com.au>N Subject: Re: Original Members of VMS (was Re: More VMS news from The Inquirer)8 Message-ID: <mq6hmts9vqmt8a0kne4s2cjn9i1l68rsqa@4ax.com>  E On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:54:39 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoffo Hoffman) wrote:s  q >In article <009FFD4F.BC8E5AC2@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:th >:In article <xVB97.453$Yx2.8864@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:l >:>In article <3%A97.442$Yx2.8658@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:J >:>:And I can only think of 2 who worked on OpenVMS V1 who are still here. >:>o >:>  Three, actually.r >:6 >:Andy and Ruth come to mind.  Who would be the third? >nG >  Andy, Jim and Susan.   The latter two folks are not nearly as known  F >  outside the VMS group as are Andy and Ruth.  And without intending E >  any insult, I was not counting Ruth -- Ruth was then working in a lG >  group very closely aligned with the original VMS group.  With Ruth, s >  the count is now four.  a >.= >  ("Thou shalt not count to four.  Five is _right_ out." :-)0 > J >  Hey, we're now over a third of the (alleged) size of the VMS V7.0 team.> >  Fred and I would push the count over the half-way mark. :-) > O > ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> ----------------------------- O >      For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com     O > --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- M >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.comg     So... 7 this is twice the size of Intels (old) IA64 team then ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:48:23 GMTt- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>O- Subject: Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80a) Message-ID: <Xb3a7.2583$K6.1084333@news2>e  J The only thing I can say is that I have HSG80 (setup to be redundant)  andL they SCREAM.  They run circles around other systems that have SCSI2 or SCSI3I drives.  I have them connected via the 16 port switch with 28 SCSI3 disksrL 18G disks (EMA12000)   I have it setup with 2 disks mirrored (ES40 sys disk)- and 4 RAID-5 sets (2 for ES40 and 2 for DS20)l  L I'm running this under VMS 7.2-1, ES40 2 Gig. and a DS20 1G (not clustered).& Both VMS boxes are using the EMA12000.  5 If you can spend the extra $$ go for the HSG80's!!!!!    Dave  @ "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> wrote in message  news:3b67ed7e$1@news.euriware... >     Hello, >OL >     I need to find  "official" performance comparison (read/write) between :  >u >     HSZ50 (storageworks) >     HSZ70 (storageworks)" >     HSG80 with U Disks (18/36GO) >"4 >     under VMS (7.2/7.3) with RAID 0 and 0+1 and 5. >c$ >     Does anybody have any pointer. >  >     Thanks >  >d >a >+ >i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 05:25:53 GMTl From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>- Subject: Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80e' Message-ID: <3B68E460.BF7121CA@home.nl>e  P I agree. We have HSZ70, HSZ80 and HSG80 controllers, and the HSG80 is very, veryM fast. Much faster than the HSZ80. On a rather small raid 0+1 set (6 disks) wea get > 2000 IO's /sec.g  K We don't use the 'old' SBB style disks anymore, but instead the 4300 seriesrN shelfs with 15000 rpm 18.2 GB drives. With the new V 8.6 firmware, you can useN all 84 disk slots. This will give you a very high disk density compared to theO SBB disks. With SBB drives you can use 72 disks (in BA370 shelfs), but you needaP two 19" racks. With the new Modula drives you can pack all drives in one low 19"M rack. And when a successor to the HSG80 is released, you can use the full 160e% MB/sec potential of the 4300 shelfs..o   Regards,   Dirk   Dave Pampreen wrote:  L > The only thing I can say is that I have HSG80 (setup to be redundant)  andN > they SCREAM.  They run circles around other systems that have SCSI2 or SCSI3K > drives.  I have them connected via the 16 port switch with 28 SCSI3 disksiN > 18G disks (EMA12000)   I have it setup with 2 disks mirrored (ES40 sys disk)/ > and 4 RAID-5 sets (2 for ES40 and 2 for DS20)m >aN > I'm running this under VMS 7.2-1, ES40 2 Gig. and a DS20 1G (not clustered).( > Both VMS boxes are using the EMA12000. >h7 > If you can spend the extra $$ go for the HSG80's!!!!!  >  > Dave >LB > "Philippe Bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr> wrote in message" > news:3b67ed7e$1@news.euriware... > >     Hello, > > N > >     I need to find  "official" performance comparison (read/write) between > :  > >p > >     HSZ50 (storageworks) > >     HSZ70 (storageworks)$ > >     HSG80 with U Disks (18/36GO) > >e6 > >     under VMS (7.2/7.3) with RAID 0 and 0+1 and 5. > >i& > >     Does anybody have any pointer. > >  > >     Thanks > >e > >/ > >: > >h > >e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:12:15 +0200, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>) Subject: Re: SAN-based Backup for OpenVMSm: Message-ID: <3b6870d6$0$2947$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>  E Ignoring the possibility that we would be named 'those {silly, crazy,-G stupid} dutchmen', I would like to express my agreement with Jeroen and<I Martin. It seems that the empasis with certain other operating systems iscG with the backup part of the whole story, where as we VMS types are more L interested in the restore part. Remember how they did backup's in early UnixG days? Just write all data to tape without any form of verification thate$ there was actually written anything.  K The only way to be able to really restore your data is using a system which(H really knows about the file system. A simple solution to that problem isI just using OpenVMS. Performance problems in the Fibre Channel network cand$ easily be solved by adding hardware.   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn.
 True Bit B.V.w  G "Hoogenboom, Martin" <M.Hoogenboom@groothandel.opg.nl> wrote in message-7 news:E0D9C7CE092BD211872D00805F65C83B015F383C@UTNT10...  > Hi,l > E > The main problem (as already stipulated by Jeroen van Dijk) is thatmG > if you want to make file backups, which is usually the case, you willT* > need knowledge of the filesystem in use.G > So on a SAN where disk can be used for several operating systems withsI > several different file systems: NTFS (4 & 5), UNIX, Files 11 (ODS2 & 5) . > FAT (16 & 32) etc., this will cause problemsE > That is why you will allway need an operating system i.c. a CPU for  > the backups. >aD > If you can manage raw disk backups (without regard to the data) itE > should be possible to make backups straight from the SAN, but thereh? > would be no administration of what's on tape for that matter.h >-
 > Regards, > Martin Hoogenboomi > " > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: Jan Vorbrueggen: > [mailto:jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de]' > Verzonden: dinsdag 31 juli 2001 16:25I > Aan: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > Onderwerp: Re: SAN-based Backup for OpenVMSv >o >n+ > Rick Dyson <Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU> writes:h >nF > > The idea is "server-less" backup.  Where the OpenVMS host softwareJ > > simply tells the SAN to make a backup of the OpenVMS disks to the SAN-L > > connected SDLT drive.  This would eliminate data flow off the SAN to theI > > Host and back to the SAN to the tape drive.  It would off-load servera
 > > CPU load.v > >nE > > The goal would be that the backup tape would be OpenVMS-compliant/J > > such that I could recover individual files or entire disks, etc.  Just as  > > I can with "normal" backups. >oJ > If you want that, either the performance is going to be abominal (a tape > isn'tpF > random access - but Glenn Everhart has done a pseudo-driver to allow this), > orJ > the SAN has to understand ODS-2/ODS-5 and be a more-or-less complete VMS > BACKUP+ > implmentation. The latter seems unlikely.6 >o > Jant   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:07:11 -0400 From: "John McDen" <jj@jj.moc> Subject: SMTP Shutdown !!J* Message-ID: <9k9gcl$ie$2@bob.news.rcn.net>   Hi  I How do I identify SMTP process on a VMS machine ? and How do I shutdown an SMTP on a VMS machine.?e  
 Please help..a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 16:07:57 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>p Subject: Re: SMTP Shutdown !! , Message-ID: <3B686191.CB35F5F6@videotron.ca>   John McDen wrote:oJ  How do I identify SMTP process on a VMS machine ? and How do I shutdown a > SMTP on a VMS machine.?o    I @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG and follow the menus to the SMTP to disable it.i   You can also:  	$TCPIPl 	TCPIP>DISABLE SERVICE SMTP-  V (but this won't be a permanent thing, SMTP would come back when you reboot I beleive).   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:49:37 GMTe- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>g Subject: Re: SMTP Shutdown !!9) Message-ID: <5d3a7.2584$K6.1086368@news2>r   To stop:  @sys$manager:tcpip$smtp_shutdown  	 To start:  @sys$manager:tcpip$smtp_startupa  / As mentioned below, at startup they will start.    Dave  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3B686191.CB35F5F6@videotron.ca... > John McDen wrote:eL >  How do I identify SMTP process on a VMS machine ? and How do I shutdown a > > SMTP on a VMS machine.?t >t >iK > @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG and follow the menus to the SMTP to disable it.n >t > You can also:t > $TCPIP > TCPIP>DISABLE SERVICE SMTP > L > (but this won't be a permanent thing, SMTP would come back when you reboot I beleive).-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:19:04 -0700e1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>o& Subject: Re: Soft font modules / DCPS?3 Message-ID: <3B685628.4B63DACB@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>M   Dave Greenwood wrote:o > E > The version at Process' site appears to be very old - 1993.  A morei> > recent version (June 2000) is available via anonymous ftp at, > PSFC.MIT.EDU in the [.LASER] subdirectory.  A   Cool, thanks.  I think I originally got mine at PRC.MIT.EDU but ! it doesn't seem to exist anymore.e   --B Vance Haemmerle               Internet   vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.USK Tucson, AZ                    Web        http://toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US/~vance/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:43:00 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o9 Subject: Re: Sun keep 'em coming (but do they followup ?)n* Message-ID: <3B684DB3.F3C4C795@virgin.net>   Simon Clubley wrote:  E > Have you actually tried to contact them at the phone number given ?eK > I did after I got the "DUMPED" card. The person that answered didn't seemoJ > to really know what Alpha is. I was promised an information pack; a week# > later it still has not turned up.s >q  M Interesting. That's more or less exactly what happened when I last called theeN Alpha information number given in a Compaq brochure. Maybe Sun are taking thisA Alpha recovery campaign too far by emulating Alpha's marketing :)i  O Might give the number a call just to see what happens. What might happen thoughiL is that your details will work their way through to someone in Sun who knowsI exactly what an Alpha is. Typically these numbers go through to a genericsJ operator who sees an indication on the screen that you've called the AlphaP number or the special offer number or whatever. The number you callled should beP logged with the rest of your details and be picked up later in a daily or weeklyH report - then the Sun heavies turn up :). So maybe give it another week? --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 10:47:49 -0700. From: "Olson, Ingemar" <IOlson@dairyworld.com> Subject: test (please ignore) M Message-ID: <763C579A82F7D3118EE400D0B74723D1041A3259@exchsrv.dairyworld.com>y  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11AB2.1468D500d Content-Type: text/plain;: 	charset="iso-8859-1"(  3 testing whether this appears as "plain text" or not4    ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11AB2.1468D500  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"p  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">e <HTML> <HEAD>H <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">H <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12"># <TITLE>test (please ignore)</TITLE>t </HEAD>? <BODY>  T <P><FONT SIZE=2>testing whether this appears as &quot;plain text&quot; or not</FONT> </P>   </BODY>: </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11AB2.1468D500--o   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2001 14:36:54 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)>! Subject: Re: test (please ignore) 3 Message-ID: <SEipqgTp7A+Y@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  ~ In article <763C579A82F7D3118EE400D0B74723D1041A3259@exchsrv.dairyworld.com>, "Olson, Ingemar" <IOlson@dairyworld.com> writes:L > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand> > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > ) > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C11AB2.1468D500o > Content-Type: text/plain;  > 	charset="iso-8859-1"  > 5 > testing whether this appears as "plain text" or notr  ? There are test newsgroups for this purpose.  Please test there.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:44:54 GMT-3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> 1 Subject: Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CAr/ Message-ID: <3B683E7A.F0FC54FF@cableinet.co.uk>    Steve Reece wrote: > D > I had an "interesting" discussion with a colleague some time againH > whilst I was with a previous employer.  He was trying to mail out someI > simple stats which I think had been generated by the VMScluster and washG > trying to cut and paste them into a word document before sending themtF > out in Lotus Notes as an attachment.  I suggested that if he really,F > really needed to send them as an attachment then he should just sendJ > them as a flat ASCII text file and save the overhead that his Gatesness'  > software would bestow upon it.  D The main problem as I see it is that if you read that nice tabulated flat s= ASCII text file in a mail client like Outlook that will use an
 proportional  6 rather than fixed space font, then it will look crap !  G The unix guys where I worked last had got it together to generate rtf's8 fromB shell scripts, to get around this by forcing the font to something reasonable.lH Of course, they didn't read their mail on unix, and reading rtf's on VMS is not  	 easy :-(.p  G > Sure enough, he _did_ choose the flat text file when he realized thata2 > this was half the size of the bloatware version. >   C Did you hear about the ISO 9002 compliant user registration requestt forms F that contained only a few hundred bytes of data but clocked in at over 200 kbytes? # Yes, that was a word document also.m   regards    > Steve. > ( > paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: > >t
 > > Javier > > F > > >       I got an invitation via email for some VMS marketing event( > > >taking place in Cupertino, CA soon. > > >eD > > >       However, I couldn't read it: it came as a Microsoft Word > > >attachment. > >eL > > You're as lucky as me.  I can't read this stuff either.  On a VMS box !! > >nQ > > I just find that all that stuff I can delete.  Why do they need word for somesN > > internal crap like "I've lost my glasses".  And sometimes the author is soG > > inventive that he provides a whole powerpoint production.  Sheesh!!] > >* > > Regards, Paddy >  > --I > "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeIG > a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.;C > Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"]5 >                 Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"9   -- ! Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  :  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of ;! my employers or service provider.+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:09:34 +0200"& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>1 Subject: Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CA.$ Message-ID: <3B689A3E.2C67@c-lab.de>   Steve Reece wrote: > D > I had an "interesting" discussion with a colleague some time againH > whilst I was with a previous employer.  He was trying to mail out someI > simple stats which I think had been generated by the VMScluster and was G > trying to cut and paste them into a word document before sending them F > out in Lotus Notes as an attachment.  I suggested that if he really,F > really needed to send them as an attachment then he should just sendJ > them as a flat ASCII text file and save the overhead that his Gatesness'  > software would bestow upon it.  E And *I* had an interesting project where the partner's firewall stuffaC simply REJECTED attachements it wasn't able (clueless is the betterp> phrase) to run its virus scanner over. Not even text/plain !!!  G Now, that would be just a funny thing, *if* it were not the case that Id> had to exchange for clarification purposes PL/1 formatted textD messsages. Sending them pasted in OE (that dept. required the use ofE OE!) ruined the formatting (precious spaces got lost !!), and/or themg0 sending mail with Lotus Notes munged them also.   G Fortunately, some guy finally had a brilliant insight: Since everythingoF had to be either plain text (which got reformatted), or some M$ OfficeE formats, why not just create an OLE object in an otherwise empty Wordu< file, embedding just the ORDR.TXT. And that really worked...  / Needless to say that this partner was a bank...-  G > Sure enough, he _did_ choose the flat text file when he realized thatv2 > this was half the size of the bloatware version. >    Lucky him... -- -* Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 02:13:31 +0200n& From: Michael Joosten <joost@c-lab.de>1 Subject: Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CA3$ Message-ID: <3B689B2B.7566@c-lab.de>   Bill Pedersen wrote:   >  > ? >  OpenVMS can play an integral role in implementing eBusiness?a >  >   ! Now, what do they mean with THAT?   E Having the long discussions some weeks ago in mind w.r.t. the lack ofr8 'new' applications for OpenVMS, this make me curious...   @ Any application servers (even the Java ones) running on OpenVMS? B2B systems?   -- u* Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Aug 2001 13:25:38 -0400r* From: Dan.Fabrick@SRS.gov (Dan M. Fabrick)! Subject: WATCHER compile problems + Message-ID: <2001Aug1.132538.13088@srs.gov>o  L I just upgraded to VMS 7.2-1 and WATCHER (from the freeware CD) died due to N version mismatch.  I have been trying to recompile and relink it and have run O into a problem.  I found BLISS and installed it, figured out the problems with -N STARLET and LIB.  Now, during the compile, it is looking for a library called 5 TPCMAC.  I can't find any reference to this anywhere.D  O Can someone tell me how to generate it or where to find it?  You might say I'm r a BLISSless idiot.   Thanks, Dant   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:36:25 GMTa- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)l% Subject: Re: WATCHER compile problems / Message-ID: <3b688422.6375467@news.process.com>r  I On 1 Aug 2001 13:25:38 -0400, Dan.Fabrick@SRS.gov (Dan M. Fabrick) wrote:g  M >I just upgraded to VMS 7.2-1 and WATCHER (from the freeware CD) died due to cO >version mismatch.  I have been trying to recompile and relink it and have run uP >into a problem.  I found BLISS and installed it, figured out the problems with O >STARLET and LIB.  Now, during the compile, it is looking for a library called f6 >TPCMAC.  I can't find any reference to this anywhere. >nP >Can someone tell me how to generate it or where to find it?  You might say I'm  >a BLISSless idiot.a >nA It's SYS$LIBRARY:TPAMAC.REQ.  Just compile it as you did STARLET:n       $ set def sys$common:[syslib]    $ bliss/library tpacmac.req   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/59 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:54:26 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com>$ Subject: Re: WHO ARE YOU forum? $ Message-ID: <3b6888fa$1@news.si.com>  C >Here's a site for the younger readers who might not have heard of .$ >the "Have Gun, Will Travel" series:  & Hell, I can still sing the theme song. -- rA Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.425 ************************