1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 02 Aug 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 426       Contents:# Re: (v. cheap) used vax kit wanted? $ ??== DCPS re-install after C update.( Re: ??== DCPS re-install after C update.( Re: ??== DCPS re-install after C update.= Re: ??== Installed DCPS 2.0: Two observations and a question. = Re: ??== Installed DCPS 2.0: Two observations and a question. ( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate Re: Apache htaccess files . Apache won't start because of errors in cwd.pm C v6.2 vs v6.4 volatile keyword > Re: CSWS 1.1 - how to set default extensions for CGI programs? Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops... Re: DCL... Oops...0 Re: DCPS v1.8 and missing characters on HP4050TN dec 4000 problem& RE: DECserver 700 documentation needed Dismounting a drive  Re: Dismounting a drive  Re: Dismounting a drive  Re: Dismounting a drive 6 Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)6 Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)6 Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)6 Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)* Memo:  Re: (v. cheap) used vax kit wanted? Re: NCL Command Disassembler# Re: Need help with AlphaStation 200 # Re: Need help with AlphaStation 200 ( Now here's a challenge for you guys....!, Re: Now here's a challenge for you guys....!, Re: Now here's a challenge for you guys....!, Re: Now here's a challenge for you guys....! OpenVMS  + Itanium Re: OpenVMS  + Itanium, Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!0 Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!0 Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!0 RE: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!0 Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!0 Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!0 Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!0 Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!$ Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80$ Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80$ Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80$ Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80$ Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80$ Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80 Re: Perl DBI for VMS< Re: Printer settings was - Re: Print Queue's on IP Addresses Problems with NOC version 2.0  RE: Quorum Disk Questions  Re: Quorum Disk Questions  Reboot to close a file ????  Re: Reboot to close a file ????  Re: Reboot to close a file ????  Re: Reboot to close a file ????  Re: Reboot to close a file ????  Re: Reboot to close a file ????  Re: Simple DCL query Re: SMTP Shutdown !! Re: Soft font modules / DCPS?  Re: Soft font modules / DCPS? A Re: SUN 'super'computer [was Alpha: an invitation to communicate] A SUN 'super'computer [was Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate] E Re: SUN 'super'computer [was Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate] E Re: SUN 'super'computer [was Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate] " Re: Sun goes after Alpha user base SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] VAX C 	 Re: VAX C " Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)& Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)& Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)& Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)& Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)& Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)& Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)( RE: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CA Re: WATCHER compile problems Re: WATCHER compile problems< Re: [OT] Market corrections (was Re: Alpha: an invitation to  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 02:14:54 -0700 & From: doug@fearless.org (Douglas Hall), Subject: Re: (v. cheap) used vax kit wanted?= Message-ID: <c4abb542.0108020114.6a71a7b1@posting.google.com>   Z "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote in message news:<3B68670D.4EA10EFA@iee.org>...    $ > The 3600 ethernet is probably just  # > a blown fuse somewhere on the CPU    > console panel (I think).    G It seems to an intermittent fault, which probably rules out the fuse. I H only say this because it worked for a bit after I took the console panel@ off to inspect it. I will have a look and check the fuse though.  & > I have no idea about the DSSI drive.  , > What sort is it  and what are the symptoms  ) > ("it doesn't work" isn't showing enough   & > initiaitive BTW - poke around at the  & > console level and find out what that   > reports).     B From memory I believe it is an RF71. I hadn't bothered to describe@ the symptoms because I thought it was completely dead, but maybe someone knows better :-)  G What started to happen was the disk would appear to spin down, and then E speed up again, at least that is what it sounded like. Typically this C resulted in the red fault light appearing on the front panel of the ! system and the system would hang.   B Now, all that seems to happen is the disk makes a series of noisesI when the system powers up (difficult to describe the noise, but it sounds F like it could be the stepper motor?), and the red fault light appears.  F Looking for devices at the console prompt reveals nothing connected to
 the DSSI bus.   I I've tried all the obvious things like checking (and swapping out) cables  and reseating everything.   E Thanks for your other advice, I will dismantle the vaxstation tonight  and have a poke around.    regards    Douglas    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:58:03 +0200 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)- Subject: ??== DCPS re-install after C update. D Message-ID: <aus-0208011558030001@wvia48.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  I Do I need to re-install DCPS 2.0 after I install the newest C6.4A update?    --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:06:11 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>1 Subject: Re: ??== DCPS re-install after C update. ; Message-ID: <020820011006111498%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>   D In article <aus-0208011558030001@wvia48.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>,- Hans M. Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:   K > Do I need to re-install DCPS 2.0 after I install the newest C6.4A update?    No.  Why did you think you did?    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:41:13 +0200 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)1 Subject: Re: ??== DCPS re-install after C update. D Message-ID: <aus-0208011941130001@wvia48.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  ; In article <020820011006111498%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>, ! paul.r.anderson@compaq.com wrote:   F > In article <aus-0208011558030001@wvia48.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>,/ > Hans M. Aus <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:  > M > > Do I need to re-install DCPS 2.0 after I install the newest C6.4A update?  > ! > No.  Why did you think you did?  >  > Paul   Paul,   I Some where in the tons of installation guides and release notes that I've J read in the past several days, there is a statement that the C library hasJ to be installed before installing DCPS. I read that note after I installedB DCPS 2.0 and I wanted to be sure that I create any new, unexpected problems when I install C.   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 11:03:35 +0200 * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)F Subject: Re: ??== Installed DCPS 2.0: Two observations and a question.* Message-ID: <3b691767$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  i In article <3b68686c$0$2980$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>, "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> writes: M >This week I also installed DCPS V2.0. The thing that I missed is the ability K >to configure auto start and auto failover queues with DCSP$STARTUP.COM. It F >appears that this file has not been modified since version 1.5 or so. > K >Of course I could hack my own solution, but you all know the disadvantages 
 >of hacks.  L I only saw using the supported/documented DCPS$STARTUP.COM as a disadvantage
 so far ;-)  E I just init the queue manually as autostart and only define some DCPS I logicals (like the DCPS$queue_NO_SYNC, or the DCPS$LAYUP, ...) at startup I time. This is much faster and works without problems for many years here. L I never ever used DCPS$GENERIC_QUEUE or DCPS$EXECUTION_QUEUE so far, becauseL INITing a queue (which already exists) at startup costs umpteen minutes here$ (over 300 queues) for no advantage !  F Ok, I do check every DCPS version for new features and how to use themH with my method. But if I don't, all queues continue to work. At least it was so for the last years.   eg.   9 Printer queue P211, idle, on MARS::"IP_RawTCP/p211:9100",  mounted form POSTSCRIPT    <HP Laserjet 5M, TNr.1484>J   /AUTOSTART_ON=(MARS::"IP_RawTCP/p211:9100",VENUS::"IP_RawTCP/p211:9100")?   /BASE_PRIORITY=3 /DEFAULT=(FORM=POSTSCRIPT) /NOENABLE_GENERIC D   /LIBRARY=DCPS$DEVCTL Lowercase /OWNER=[_RZ,RZ] /PROCESSOR=DCPS$SMB2   /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:M,W:S) /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)  4   "DCPS$DEVCTL_CACHE" [exec] = "translation-ignored";   "DCPS$LAYUP" [exec] = "SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.DCPS]" "   "DCPS$MAX_STREAMS" [exec] = "32"4   "DCPS$P211_NO_SYNC" [exec] = "translation-ignored"   and to top it ;)  2   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211A_PARAMETER" [exec] = "SIDES=1"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211A_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" 6   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211B_PARAMETER" [exec] = "PAGE_O=LAND"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211B_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" 2   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211C_PARAMETER" [exec] = "SIDES=1"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211C_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" @   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211D_PARAMETER" [exec] = "LAYUP=LPS$SINGLEHOLES"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211D_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" 2   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211E_PARAMETER" [exec] = "SIDES=2"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211E_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" B   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211F_PARAMETER" [exec] = "SIDES=2,LAYUP=LPS$HOLES"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211F_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" 6   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211G_PARAMETER" [exec] = "PAGE_O=LAND"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211G_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" 3   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211H_PARAMETER" [exec] = "DATA=PCL" +   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211H_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" 4   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211J_PARAMETER" [exec] = "DATA=POST"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211J_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" @   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211K_PARAMETER" [exec] = "DATA=POST,PAGE_O=LAND"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211K_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" 4   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211L_PARAMETER" [exec] = "DATA=POST"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211L_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" J   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211M_PARAMETER" [exec] = "DATA=POST,LAYUP=LPS$SINGLEHOLES"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211M_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" <   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211N_PARAMETER" [exec] = "DATA=POST,SIDES=2"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211N_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" L   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211O_PARAMETER" [exec] = "DATA=POST,SIDES=2,LAYUP=LPS$HOLES"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211O_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211" @   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211P_PARAMETER" [exec] = "DATA=POST,PAGE_O=LAND"+   "TCPWARE_LPD_P211P_QUEUE" [exec] = "P211"    > create LPD pseudo queues which selects specific DCPS features.   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:51:05 -0400; From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> F Subject: Re: ??== Installed DCPS 2.0: Two observations and a question.$ Message-ID: <3b69692e$1@news.si.com>  E >This week I also installed DCPS V2.0. The thing that I missed is the  ability K >to configure auto start and auto failover queues with DCSP$STARTUP.COM. It F >appears that this file has not been modified since version 1.5 or so.  L The ability is there in the symbiont.  Here is aan excerpt from our startup:    " $ CALL DEFINE_QUEUE 1A_HPLJ4000N_1* """ip_rawtcp/1a_hplj4000n_1.si.com:9100"""! $ CALL DEFINE_QUEUE 1A1_HPLJ5MP_1 ) """ip_rawtcp/1a1_hplj5mp_1.si.com:9100""" ! $ CALL DEFINE_QUEUE 1A3_HPLJ4PL_1 ) """ip_rawtcp/1a3_hplj4pl_1.si.com:9100""" # $ CALL DEFINE_QUEUE 1A5_HPLJ4000N_1 + """ip_rawtcp/1a5_hplj4000n_1.si.com:9100""" ! $ CALL DEFINE_QUEUE 1A5_HPLJ4PL_2 ) """ip_rawtcp/1A5_HPLJ4PL_2.si.com:9100"""  .... $DEFINE_QUEUE: SUBROUTINE  $!: $ DEFINE/SYSTEM/EXECUTIVE/NOLOG DCPS$'P1'_DEVICE_NAME 'P2'; $ IF F$GETQUI("DISPLAY_QUEUE","QUEUE_PRINTER",P1) THEN EXIT  $!5 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "Initializing Printer Queue ''P1'"  $!J $ INIT/QUE/BASE_PRIORITY=4 /DEFAULT=(FORM=DCPS$DEFAULT)/NOENABLE_GENERIC -B    /LIBRARY=DCPS$DEVCTL /OWNER=[SYSTEM]/PROCESSOR=DCPS$SMB/START -F    /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:RS) /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)/SEPARATE=(FLAG) -;    /AUTOSTART_ON=(FMC1::DCPS$,FMC2::DCPS$,CASS::DCPS$) 'P1'  $ EXIT $! $ ENDSUBROUTINE  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Aerospace                          tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:09:12 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate * Message-ID: <3B6934D8.9E1B641B@uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  > " > > Brannon Batson (Compaq) wrote:* > > > Wildfire:  Local=330ns, Remote=960ns > > > Sun E10K:  All=500ns > > >  > >  > andrew harrison (Sun) wrote:B > > The Sun number is incorrect. The average latency of the 83 Mhz= > > backplane E10K was 505 ns the 100 Mhz E10K which has been % > > shipping for some time is 440 ns.  > N > Thanks Andrew. Now, could you provide the Compaq memory latency numbers that > Sun provides to its clients ?     7 Ahh well now you do get to the difference in approach.    H We don't have for example a F6800 white paper which tries to prove that F the F6800 is a great well designed box by comparing it with the design of the GS320.  G http://www.sun.com/servers/white-papers/Sun_Fire_Technical_Overview.pdf   D Makes no reference to Compaq or other vendors technical architecture= or specs. The kind of psuedo/technical competitive marketing  = white paper you would expect to find this kind of analysis in C seems to be a Digital/Compaq favourite as anyone who remembers the  ' 64 bit VLDB VLM white papers can vouch.   @ If we did publish Compaq numbers it would be the ones that they > themselves have quoted for the GS320 which are 330ns for local4 on-quad access and 960ns for remote off-quad access.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:14:38 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate * Message-ID: <3B69361E.98767189@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote: > 5 > On Wed, 01 Aug 2001 14:46:54 +0100, andrew harrison # > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  >  > > E > >Another data point may also help. Compaq claimed that they had SAP D > >performance leadership based on the result of their SAP R4 2 tierB > >benchmark run. This claim omitted to mention that Fujitsu had aF > >better result for the same 2 tier benchmark at the time that CompaqA > >published their white paper (sloppy research perhaps). It also D > >ommitted to point out that SAP R4 3 tier which most customers useD > >also has a benchmark which Compaq had not run and that the 3 tierB > >benchmarks had a number of vendors supporting 8 x the number of> > >connected users that Compaq were able to support with their> > >2 tier result. Many customers would not know the differenceB > >many customers would not bother to check Ideas or SAP to verify# > >that the Compaq claim was false.  > >  > >  > H > Well, you can hardly blame anyone for overlooking Fujitsu.  I mean, if< > they did mention them, the customers would just say "who?" >   ; I guess that gives Sun carte blanche to ignore any Alpha's  ? Compaq produce in any comparison we might choose to fabricate. u   Alpha, what ???    Regardse Andrew Harrisona Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:14:17 +0100t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicates* Message-ID: <3B694419.C2CBFCC1@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote: > 5 > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:40:09 +0100, andrew harrisonl# > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:e >  > >  > >jlsue wrote:c8 > >Bullshit. The WildFire memory performance white paper5 > >compares the local/remote memory latency with thats4 > >of an E10K  and concludes that the performance is2 > >very competitive. Sadly the number used for the8 > >E10K's memory latency was made up and the real number8 > >if it had been used would have made the WildFire look3 > >much less good, how could this mistake have been  > >made ???? > F > I see, and nobody could go and check these numbers?  As far as I canF > see, there was no coverup.  I'd also bet that they took numbers fromG > Sun that were publicly available at the time.  In any event, at worstsH > it's almost as bad as claiming that they "put the dot in '.com'".  But > not quite. >   2 No they did not them made them up. Repeat after me0 Compaq made up the 600ns number 5 times. Sun did. not publish this number, so where did it come 
 from ?????  0 I agree there is no cover up, everyone with the / possible exception of yourself know whats goinge" on (now why isn't that a suprise).  @ > And it's interesting how you conveniently don't comment on the< > discussion of actual bad design coverup that causes system > availability problems. >o  0 Actually I did, I have pointed out that we have - fixed the problem by re-designing the cache. s  0 Where is the fix for WildFire, oh I forgot there4 isn't one unless you call pseudo-technical marketing white papers as a fix.  F > You're absolutely correct.  We outright documented that the "remote"@ > memory access would be 3x performance hit *before* they boughtA > systems...  It was available for system designers everywhere to 	 > review.o >   @ More bullshit, you documented the 3x and then in the same white @ paper you attempted to suggest that this would not be a problem A for a applications because the % of local accesses would be high f& enough to make this 3x a non problem.   @ Of course you subsequently had to disprove this claim yourselvesC when you published the second TPC-C result which was configured to  < ensure that there was an absolute minimum of remote traffic.  E Read your own white paper and compare the discussion on the WildFires = suitability for apps vs what you have actually been forced to  do to get the thing to perform.   9 Also documenting the 3x feature does not fix the problem e or did you think that it did.i    G > And Sun told everyone that the cache would be a problem *before* they G > bought systems.   Oh wait, only if they signed an NDA first, and thenaC > only after they actually bought the systems, and then again, only  > after they had some downtime.e >  > >>> > >> When you get all of your stuff 100% correct, let me know. > >> > >c9 > >At the moment the onus is on you, you havn't managed a 9 > >single posting to this thread that hasn't contained at < > >least one glaring factual error. What was you excuse over; > >your IBM FUD, it was a long time ago and you forgot. Didr) > >you ever consider checking your facts.a > E > I say the same about you.  You've managed to squirm around but onlyCF > take bits and pieces of truth to weave a long, drawn-out, very inept0 > story of what you think Compaq's problems are. >   2 Really ! again you are putting words into my mouth I 7 > And coming from where you do, that is definitely FUD.  >  > > I > >> Yeah... yeah.... yeah.  Rubbish yourself.  Did they submit benchmarknK > >> results?  Yes.  Did it give *anyone* the ability to lookup and compare-' > >> against other results?  Yes again.0 > >> > > ; > >Really  Compaq  published a performance white paper thatd@ > >included graphs of results that strangely omitted the results@ > >posted by other vendors. Any customer reading the white paper= > >would think that there was no need to go and look on SAP'sr@ > >web site or Oracle's web site for the actual table of resultsD > >they would expect that Compaqs table included all the competitive > >results.e > ' > Sure.  Whatever.  Only in your world.w >   0 Actually it only appears to be an aspect of your2 world that values fabrication and ommision as good behaviour. a  5 What was your response to the ommision of Fujitsu in d3 Compaqs SAP leadership analysis. Let me refresh yous it was.o  G "Well, you can hardly blame anyone for overlooking Fujitsu.  I mean, ifo; they did mention them, the customers would just say "who?""      > >IK > >> doesn't inspire me with a lot of confidence).  The funny thing is, I'dyH > >> bet Sun marketing folks are just pissed-off that they didn't try itJ > >> first (or maybe they have, I don't care to look up all Sun claims for > >> the last 5 years).T > >> > >i? > >Don't try to attribute what may well be standard practice ino > >Compaq onto other vendors.o > F > Oh.  Right.  And who 'put the dot in .com'?  Sun?  Really?  Did theyE > publish white papers claiming this?  Did they produce documentationtA > that proved that nobody else was responsible?  Did they includei! > information on all competitors?  >   6 Since Sun does drive the vast majority of the backbone4 ISP's and the majority of the largest commercial web$ sites it is a perfactly fair claim.   / Does our literature claim that we are the only   vendors doing this ????t  0 Incedentally how typical that you would confuse 0 what is clearly a marketing slogan with supposed. facts that are published in what appears to be a technical white paper.  B > >You really are a stunningly bad advocate for Compaq why are you: > >bothering. The current TPC-C result used OPS as did the> > >previous result. However the first result released and then9 > >withdrawn after a week by Compaq did not and from thatnA > >result it was possible to measure the performance differentialaC > >between running an app configured to get arround the deficiencese- > >of the WildFire NUMA architecture and not.t > = > The fact is, our customer says I need a box that can do 'x'oH > performance, and I have $y to spend... can you help me?  The answer is > a resounding 'yes'!u > E > You can go on-and-on all you want, but it proves nothing other thana > you can type profusely.6 >   5 Interesting, I have come up with concrete examples of-4 where you have missled your customers. All you seem * to be able to do in response is type BAHH.     > F > I sincerely doubt that *anybody* buys systems based on white papers.G > And only a few will purchase them based on benchmarks alone.  Most ofeE > those who have invested in the GS systems have been very happy withn2 > the result.  And OPS hasn't scared many of them.    ; More bullshit, a quick check through deja would have helped2< you not fall into this trap either. You are forgetting the  > my GS140 is quicker than me GS320 posts one of which elicited 7 the wonderfull wait for Marvel response from Rob Young.      RegardsW Andrew Harrisony Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:26:16 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>t1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicatee2 Message-ID: <Vbfa7.542$Yx2.10238@news.cpqcorp.net>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3B68AEF3.E0B8C5F0@videotron.ca>...t
 >jlsue wrote:eI >> Well, you can hardly blame anyone for overlooking Fujitsu.  I mean, ifn= >> they did mention them, the customers would just say "who?"  >1G >It doesn't matter since Compaq nevert really defended Alpha's "world's: fastesttL >chip" status. Just yesterday I heard a Yahoo report on real video about howH >the british were to build the world's fastest computer to calculate the originG >of the universe or something to that order and that it was going to beC >supplied by Sun.t  A They should probably have taken notice of the Australian debacle.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 18:26:38 +0200m  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicateu+ Message-ID: <VA.0000040d.0627bd7f@sture.ch>   H In article <uOz97.428$Yx2.8454@news.cpqcorp.net>, Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > Alan Greig wrote in message <181dmtc8iqa20bh464vqekhj05mo1i7hu6@4ax.com>...D/ > >On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:07:03 -0400, JF Mezeih( > ><jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > >u > >> > >>I > >>At what point will remaining customers know whether Compaq intends toR > buildoL > >>one server for all OS, or whether VMS will have its own servers ? On the > onerM > >>hand, we see messages of VMS booting on "vanilla" IA64s, and on the othero > weJ > >>see a message such as yours that indicates that VMS will run on highly > testedA > >>quality machines and those two don't necessarily go together.e > > H > >Well I've had a PC164 LX running VMS continually now for the last fewG > >months, Have never found a problem with it so have just bought a VMS:H > >license for it to allow us to use it legally as a development machineG > >for a particular group of users. I could not have justified the costrF > >of a DS10 right now for this purpose but I could easily get fundingH > >for the cost of a PC - which is what Island sell the 'upgraded' PC164	 > >LX for$ > >" > E > I'm not sure how you got a license for a machine that VMS has never  > supported... >15 Sorry but I don't see the difficulty there. I can seei1 support problems, but why not the license itself?I  A You are making it sound as though it is Not Allowed. Whyever not?P  C I really don't think that Alan should find himself on the defensiveeA here. I'll agree that support may be a problem (and I assume Alan @ would reproduce problem reports on fully supported systems), but surely not the license itself.  A AFAIK OEMs have always been able to sell valid Decpaq OS licensesLC for their home brewed systems (of course taking on the support roleeB themselves for bits not officially supported). Or has that changed in recent years? ___A
 Paul Sture Switzerland]   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:43:04 -0400+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>P" Subject: Re: Apache htaccess files2 Message-ID: <uYba7.535$Yx2.10044@news.cpqcorp.net>  0 "Nick Paszty" <paszty@xoma.com> wrote in message7 news:14ce1c21.0108011519.6376f638@posting.google.com...T > hello. >1H > we're running vms 7.1 on an alphaserver 800 5/333 and apache 1.3.12  iE > have run the htpasswd.exe_alpha to create a .htpasswd file with one"H > user.  the file looks like it was successfuly created in the directory > i want to store it in. >U. > so now i have sasapps:[xdss.pwords].htpasswd >eB > i created a .htaccess file and put it in the directory under theE > document root that i would like to protect. this is what that looks1 > like.T > 4 > AuthUserFile /lardat2disk/xdss/pwords/htpasswd.pwd > AuthGroupFile nule > AuthName xdss  > AuthType Basic
 > <Limit GET>e > require valid-user >ND > when i request a file in the directory i want to protect, i do getD > prompted to authenticate but i can't seem to authenticate with the. > credentials i created when running htpasswd. >w: > here is the htaccess directive from the httpd.conf file. >A > #AF > # This controls which options the .htaccess files in directories canA > # override. Can also be "All", or any combination of "Options",-
 > "FileInfo",- > # "AuthConfig", and "Limit": > #4 > #    AllowOverride Nonet >     AllowOverride Alln > #c0 > # Controls who can get stuff from this server. > #t >     Order allow,deny >     Allow from all > </Directory> >i >e > any ideas? >e	 > thanks,. >e > nick  F What happens following the username/password window? Do you receive an error?  B Check the apache$root:[logs]error_log. file for error information.   Other things to check:  K     - make sure the password file spec is correct (it doesn't match in youru example,       but that might be a typo. 1     - usernames and passwords are case-sensitive.D=     - make sure the .htaccess file is readable by APACHE$WWW.1  
 Rick Barry Compaq Secure Web Server OpenVMS System Software Groups Compaq Computer Corporation_
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 04:28:02 -0700N' From: steve.esson@esa.int (hieronymous)H7 Subject: Apache won't start because of errors in cwd.pm = Message-ID: <fe9697fd.0108020328.23e13873@posting.google.com>'  ? After what was apparently a successful installation and config  A for Perl 5.5-3, Apache 1.3-12 and Apache_Perl 1.21-1 on VMS 7.2-1Q( I find that I can't get Apache to start.  ; The log file has a lot of syntax errors related to the fileMB perl_root:[lib]cwd.pm.     Anybody any idea whats gone wrong here?  P [Thu Aug  2 10:43:04 2001] Cwd.pm: String found where operator expected at /perlB _root/lib/Cwd.pm line 262, near "croak "Cannot chdir to $path:$!""J [Thu Aug  2 10:43:04 2001] Cwd.pm:      (Do you need to predeclare croak?)P [Thu Aug  2 10:43:04 2001] Cwd.pm: String found where operator expected at /perlF _root/lib/Cwd.pm line 264, near "croak "Cannot chdir back to $cwd:$!""J [Thu Aug  2 10:43:04 2001] Cwd.pm:      (Do you need to predeclare croak?)O [Thu Aug  2 10:43:04 2001] null: [Thu Aug  2 10:43:04 2001] Cwd.pm: [Thu Aug  2hA 10:43:04 2001] Cwd.pm: /perl_root/lib/Cwd.pm has too many errors.i %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort   ------------------------------   Date: 02 Aug 2001 16:43:44 GMT% From: "Paul Dembry" <pade@trifox.com>i( Subject: C v6.2 vs v6.4 volatile keyword0 Message-ID: <9kc000$9mq@dispatch.concentric.net>  I Our code makes extensive use of setjmp()/longjmp().  In Compaq C v6.2, we D could use the volatile keyword with variables that changed after theK invocation of setjmp() to make sure that they maintained their values after J the longjmp().  In v6.4, volatile no longer works for this situation so weE have gone back to our old method.  Does anyone know if there is a newe. keyword in v6.4 that works for this situation? Thanks,o Paul   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:50:59 -0400+ From: "Rick Barry" <barry@star.zko.dec.com>rG Subject: Re: CSWS 1.1 - how to set default extensions for CGI programs?t2 Message-ID: <qQda7.538$Yx2.10104@news.cpqcorp.net>  H ""Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>C wrote in message news:009FFE44.2ECA15AA@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...a
 > Environmenti
 > -----------o
 > CSWS 1.1 > DS20Eb > VMS 7.2-1h' > Multinet 4.3 with appropriate patchess >o >qJ > It appears that in the more-or-less default configuration, where cgi-binD > is the script library, a reference to  FILE will be interpreted as > FILE.COM, eg >a > /cgi-bin/FILEi > 1 > will find and run apache$root:[cgi-bin]FILE.COM- >-, > and if there is a FILE.EXE and no FILE.COM >r* > /cgi-bin/FILE         won't find it, but- > /cgi-bin/FILE.EXE     will find and run it.n >t > J > On the OSU webserver, I can edit WWWEXEC to make it handle whatever fileH > extensions I want in whatever order, although it has to explicitly say whatH > the process is to execute each type.  (EG, .pl and .cgi have to invokeJ > PERL, where I think I could have Apache specify a handler for those file	 > types.)h >kK > What do I do if I want the CSWS/Apache script processing to look for, eg,t >s
 > FILE.COM
 > FILE.CGI	 > FILE.PLa
 > FILE.EXE	 > FILE.PYt >r >iH > in that order and execute the first one it finds, presumably using the! > appropriate handler if defined?s >e	 > Thanks,a > 	 > -- Alanh >  >p >hL ============================================================================ ===x2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUA >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:n 650/926-3056C >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA 
 94309-0210 > L ============================================================================ ===o >v  I Unlike UNIX, OpenVMS has no facility to execute different shells based onjJ hints within the shell script (i.e., there is no "#! shell-path" feature),C so mod-cgi is restricted to running CGI scripts that are either DCL.L procedures or executable images. To run a Perl script with mod-cgi, you need8 to run the Perl interpreter from within a DCL procedure.  C mod_perl is an executable image that allows you to run Perl scriptsuE directly. It does so by defining an Apache "handler" that contains an. internal Perl interpreter.  K For other script types, you need to define a "handler" for each. You can do.A this with a combination of  "Action" and "AddHandler" directives..  L For example, say you have a "widget" script interpreter that can be run fromF DCL. "widget" triggers off files with .wgt extensions. Write a DCL CGIK script that runs the "widget" interpreter on the widget script specified innK the URL (PATH_INFO and PATH_TRANSLATED environment variables). Then use theeC following directives to run that CGI script for files with the .wgt 
 extension:  + Action widget-handler /path-to-widget-shelle AddHandler widget-handler .wgt  - Do this for each script interpreter you have.y    
 Rick Barry Compaq Secure Web Server OpenVMS System Software Groupn Compaq Computer Corporationm
 Nashua, NH   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:57:14 -0300+ From: <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...nL Message-ID: <OF43BCDA5C.D90D0BA4-ON03256A9C.0036659A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Well   the results are below ...   	 Let's see   X ========================================================================================   OpenVMS 7.1-1H2s  B   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005i1                         Name   = 000000000000000Co1                                  0000000000010000 1                                  0000000000000004 1                                  0000000000000004n1                                  0000000000000012a       Register dump:J     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007FFAD788  R2  = 0000000000000000J     R3  = 0000000000000004  R4  = 0000000000000000  R5  = 0000000000000000J     R6  = 000000007FFAD778  R7  = 000000007FFAD778  R8  = 000000007FFABD48J     R9  = 000000007FFABF50  R10 = 000000007FFADFC0  R11 = 000000007FFCE3E0J     R12 = 000000007AF409E0  R13 = 000000007AFEA550  R14 = FFFFFFFF811FDA40J     R15 = 0000000000000100  R16 = 000000000000001B  R17 = 0000000000000000J     R18 = 000000007FFAD780  R19 = 0000000000000000  R20 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF8J     R21 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFA8  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = 0000000000000001J     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000000  R26 = 000000007FFADFC0J     R27 = 0000000000000008  R28 = 7FFAD25400000004  R29 = 7B03F55E0000000BJ     SP  = 000000007FFABD15  PC  = 7FFAD25400000004  PS  = 1500000000000012; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual  address=000000000000& 000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=00000002  O ===============================================================================t   OpenVMS 7.2t  B   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 1                         Name   = 000000000000000C 1                                  0000000000010000'1                                  7FFAD25400000004 1                                  7FFAD25400000004e1                                  0000000000000012        Register dump:J     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007FFAD788  R2  = 0000000000000000J     R3  = 0000000000000004  R4  = 0000000000000000  R5  = 0000000000000000J     R6  = 000000007FFAD778  R7  = 000000007FFAD778  R8  = 000000007FFABD48J     R9  = 000000007FFABF50  R10 = 000000007FFADFC0  R11 = 000000007FFCE3E0J     R12 = 000000007B5F44C4  R13 = 000000007AFAA6A0  R14 = FFFFFFFF814E0D40J     R15 = 000000007AFA9990  R16 = 000000000000001B  R17 = 0000000000000000J     R18 = 000000007FFAD780  R19 = 000000007FFAD778  R20 = 0000000000000008J     R21 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFFA8  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 = 0000000000000001J     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000000  R26 = 000000007FFADFC0J     R27 = 0000000000000008  R28 = 7FFAD25400000004  R29 = 7AFFD70E0000000BJ     SP  = 000000007FFABD05  PC  = 7FFAD25400000004  PS  = 0500000000000012; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtuale address=000000000000& 000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=00000002       Have a nice day !e     Regardss   FC        S                                                                                    tS                     system@SendSp                                                  sS                     amHere.ORG           Para:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com             mS                     (Brian               cc:                                       uS                     Schenkenberge        Assunto:     DCL... Oops...               IS                     r, VAXman-)                                                    bS                                                                                    yS                     01/08/2001                                                      S                     21:05                                                           S                     Responder a                                                    ?S                     system                                                          S                                                                                    lS                                                                                    n        D I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the resultso) here.  Please include the version of VMS.y     $ HELP   HELP  D    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayE    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?"t    prompt, you can:h  I       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help.w  I       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to usee
         HELP.o  I       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command or &         topic for which you need help.  A       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.g  I       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requestedr
         text.n      ( Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y]   $ DEFINE THIS THAT
 $ CONTINUE    	 Thanks...v   --2 VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  I   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fieryyI   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 20:35:54 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auc Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...y5 Message-ID: <01K6O6SC1M0I003HHR@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   0 Well, Brian.  I too can squeak "me, too" on 7.2.  B I trust by now you have reported this or Hoff has picked up on it.  M I also came across a strange quirk with HELP just before I went on leave.  I cL must try to ressurect it and get some comments before I log it.  If nothing N else, in this ng, problems shared ....  Less cost to the Q if we confer first.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:28:46 +0100+ From: "Tim Jackson" <tim.jackson@amsjv.com>- Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...,& Message-ID: <3b69372d$1@pull.gecm.com>   Stack dumps as follows:r  B   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 1                         Name   = 000000000000000Cr1                                  0000000000010000 1                                  7FFAD25400000004 1                                  7FFAD25400000004s1                                  0000000000000012e       Register dump:9     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007FFAD788  R2  =e 00000000000000009     R3  = 0000000000000004  R4  = 0000000000000000  R5  =r 00000000000000009     R6  = 000000007FFAD778  R7  = 000000007FFAD778  R8  =  000000007FFABD489     R9  = 000000007FFABF50  R10 = 000000007FFADFC0  R11 =  000000007FFCE3E09     R12 = 000000007B6BA5A9  R13 = 000000007B000590  R14 =- FFFFFFFF8144DBC09     R15 = 000000007AFFF880  R16 = 000000000000001B  R17 =s 00000000000000009     R18 = 000000007FFAD780  R19 = 000000007FFAD778  R20 =. 00000000000000089     R21 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFF94  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 =e 00000000000000019     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000000  R26 =v 000000007FFADFC09     R27 = 0000000000000008  R28 = 7FFAD25400000004  R29 =h 7B0538860000000B9     SP  = 000000007FFABD05  PC  = 7FFAD25400000004  PS  =n 0500000000000012; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtuale: address=000000000000000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=00000002   Configuration:  F DS20e, 512MB, OpenVMS V7.3 plus LAN, LINKER, MAIL, RMS, SHADOWING, SYS and SYSBOOT patches.  D ------------------ Purely Personal Opinion -------------------------D Tim Jackson                                    tim.jackson@amsjv.com Air Systems Grouph Alenia Marconi Systems Ltd.t    B "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in2 message news:009FFE4D.C06D0A83@SendSpamHere.ORG...F > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the resultsf+ > here.  Please include the version of VMS.  >o >  > $ HELP >w > HELP >uF >    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayG >    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?"u >    prompt, you can:e >rE >       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you neede help.i >cG >       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how toI useo >         HELP.o > H >       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command or( >         topic for which you need help. >'C >       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.r >cA >       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recentlyl	 requestedl >         text.h >  >a >b* > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] >  > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > $ CONTINUE >k >  > Thanks...t >l > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > E >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to mye fiery2D >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes >R   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 05:52:30 -0700r  From: southshore@niia.net (Jeff) Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...s= Message-ID: <b342eec2.0108020452.5b81fc83@posting.google.com>   ) I get the same thing on OpenVMS V6.2-1H3.     M Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote in message news:<3B68E07F.500EAF6B@home.nl>...s > VMS 7.3 (Alpha)  >  > Stackdump (access violation) > 
 > Regards, >  > Dirk >  >  > ( > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > P > > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results- > > here.  Please include the version of VMS.d > > 
 > > $ HELP > >i > > HELP > >kH > >    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayI > >    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?"e > >    prompt, you can:h > >rM > >       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help.n > >eM > >       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to useg > >         HELP.e > > M > >       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command orh* > >         topic for which you need help. > >nE > >       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.  > >IM > >       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requested  > >         text.  > > , > > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] > >  > > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > > $ CONTINUE > >a
 > > Thanks...r > >i > > --S > > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMd > >oM > >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery M > >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesl   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:43:51 GMTg= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...c0 Message-ID: <009FFEC0.197D929D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <01K6O6SC1M0I003HHR@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes: 1 >Well, Brian.  I too can squeak "me, too" on 7.2.  >1C >I trust by now you have reported this or Hoff has picked up on it.A >hN >I also came across a strange quirk with HELP just before I went on leave.  I M >must try to ressurect it and get some comments before I log it.  If nothing oO >else, in this ng, problems shared ....  Less cost to the Q if we confer first.Q >  >Regards, Paddy  >   I Actually, David North encountered this problem and asked me to verify it.lJ Both he and I first thought it was DECthreads related but I later verifuedH that it was any user image.  I've already entered a service request with	 Conpaq.  /   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM]             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:06:45 +0200 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...2+ Message-ID: <3B6988A5.26F2CC6E@digital.com>4  A There is a fix to DCL.EXE, which should be obtainable for any AXP- versiono of DCL.EXE.-. This has not yet been released as a patch kit.* Contact your local Compaq OpenVMS support.   ~Mikej  $ Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote: > N > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results+ > here.  Please include the version of VMS.l >  > $ HELP >  > HELP > F >    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayG >    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?"l >    prompt, you can:h > K >       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help.i > K >       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to use- >         HELP.- > K >       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command oro( >         topic for which you need help. > C >       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.1 > K >       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requestedC >         text.r > * > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] >  > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > $ CONTINUE >  > Thanks...S >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt > K >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fieryrK >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesb   -- iE ---------------------------------------------------------------------tE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.i? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------. -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------I   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:57:45 +0300r& From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@compaq.com> Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...p* Message-ID: <3B696A68.C7CE7A4B@compaq.com>  7 As stated before we have addressed this problem lately.=O This was interoduced in V6.2 alpha only. There is a "small" glitch in the stackS that corrupts the return! address for the continue command.   O As stated by Mr. Rechtman, Fix available for various versions just log an IPMT.    Regards,  	 Guy Peleg  OpenVMS Engineering=  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:  2 > Well, Brian.  I too can squeak "me, too" on 7.2. >OD > I trust by now you have reported this or Hoff has picked up on it. >nN > I also came across a strange quirk with HELP just before I went on leave.  IM > must try to ressurect it and get some comments before I log it.  If nothingiP > else, in this ng, problems shared ....  Less cost to the Q if we confer first. >w > Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 08:13:34 -0700c1 From: jason_odonnell@erinet.com (Jason O'Donnell)" Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...n= Message-ID: <5c8ffd05.0108020713.46d30314@posting.google.com>   u system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote in message news:<009FFE4D.C06D0A83@SendSpamHere.ORG>...lN > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results+ > here.  Please include the version of VMS.i >  >  > $ HELP >  > HELP > F >    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayG >    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?"  >    prompt, you can:C > K >       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help.w > K >       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to usee >         HELP.  > K >       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command oru( >         topic for which you need help. > C >       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.o > K >       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requestedB >         text.0 >  >  > * > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] >  > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > $ CONTINUE >  >  > Thanks...=  C Just add an EXIT command line entry after the [CTRL-Y] or after thepF DEFINE.  Does not fix the bug, but cleans up the stack.  I do not haveE a VAX to work on and JF Mezei did not mention if the CONTINUE command @ brought you back to the HELP executable or not.  Apparently, the* DEFINE command does not reset some things.  F What happens after you enter CONTINUE JF, next command line or reenter HELP?0   JMOD   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 08:21:08 -0700d1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)A Subject: Re: DCL... Oops... , Message-ID: <sLc3gnp0rJuO@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  + In article <3B696A68.C7CE7A4B@compaq.com>, 0,     Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@compaq.com> writes:  9 > As stated before we have addressed this problem lately.0Q > This was interoduced in V6.2 alpha only. There is a "small" glitch in the stack  > that corrupts the return# > address for the continue command.0 > Q > As stated by Mr. Rechtman, Fix available for various versions just log an IPMT.F >     What's an IPMT?  3    Is the fix available at ftp.service.digital.com?0   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:44:23 GMT0= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)4 Subject: Re: DCL... Oops... 0 Message-ID: <009FFED0.F02D4BEB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <5c8ffd05.0108020713.46d30314@posting.google.com>, jason_odonnell@erinet.com (Jason O'Donnell) writes:0v >system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote in message news:<009FFE4D.C06D0A83@SendSpamHere.ORG>...O >> I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results , >> here.  Please include the version of VMS. >>   >>  	 >> $ HELP  >> e >> HELP0 >> 0G >>    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  display H >>    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?" >>    prompt, you can: >>  L >>       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help. >> 0L >>       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to use >>         HELP. >> 0L >>       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command or) >>         topic for which you need help.F >> 0D >>       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command. >> 4L >>       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requested >>         text. >>   >>   >> 0+ >> Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y]  >> 0 >> $ DEFINE THIS THAT0
 >> $ CONTINUE  >>   >> F >> Thanks... > D >Just add an EXIT command line entry after the [CTRL-Y] or after theG >DEFINE.  Does not fix the bug, but cleans up the stack.  I do not have8F >a VAX to work on and JF Mezei did not mention if the CONTINUE commandA >brought you back to the HELP executable or not.  Apparently, theV+ >DEFINE command does not reset some things.e   That defeats the CONTINUE.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:11:29 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>  Subject: Re: DCL... Oops... 0 Message-ID: <UYea7.3299$Z2.20367@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009FFEC0.197D929D@SendSpamHere.ORG... >...L > Both he and I first thought it was DECthreads related but I later verifuedJ > that it was any user image.  I've already entered a service request with >...  I I was playing around with this to see what other images DEFINE and ASSIGN J break, and to see if any other CLIROUTINES cause the same error. I did notJ see any other CLIROUTINE that would do a stackdump. ASSIGN and DEFINE both stackdump HELP and DIR, but                SHOW DEVICE/FULL            CTRL/Y #            CONTINUE ! will continue               SHOW DEVICE/FULL            CTRL/Y           DEFINE XX YYD           CONTINUE ! will not continue and does not do the stackdump  J Any CLIROUTINE I tried after doing a CTRL/Y in SHOW DEVICE/FULL caused the7 image to exit. CLIROUTINEs are not supposed to do that.    -- Peter WeaverJ Using a WIN NT/WIN 2000 box to manage your VMS systems is like towing your7 mechanic in a 5th wheel motor home behind your Porsche.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 16:31:15 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>s Subject: Re: DCL... Oops... 2 Message-ID: <3B698113.741FA8F4@clarityconnect.com>  ? IPMT is our internal tracking mechanism.  There is no generallyeA available fix for this yet.  If this issue is preventing you fromEG actually doing something, in other words is more than a curiosity, thennE please log a call with your local CSC stating what version of VMS youCH require a fix for.  The CSC will then elevate this to get the fix.  OnceD a generally available fix is released it will show up on the web and@ notification will be sent to those that have signed up for patchG notification.  I am the one running with Brian's call in the US CSC :*)n   Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > , > In article <3B696A68.C7CE7A4B@compaq.com>,. >     Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@compaq.com> writes: > ; > > As stated before we have addressed this problem lately.@S > > This was interoduced in V6.2 alpha only. There is a "small" glitch in the stack  > > that corrupts the return% > > address for the continue command.c > >cS > > As stated by Mr. Rechtman, Fix available for various versions just log an IPMT.c > >a >    What's an IPMT? > 5 >    Is the fix available at ftp.service.digital.com?a   -- .D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 19:01:19 +0200m* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...l* Message-ID: <3b69875f$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ` In article <3B6988A5.26F2CC6E@digital.com>, Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> writes:J >There is a fix to DCL.EXE, which should be obtainable for any AXP version >of DCL.EXE./ >This has not yet been released as a patch kit.0+ >Contact your local Compaq OpenVMS support.0  @ Could this also be my problem with the (freeware) FIND utility ?  L Sometimes (I _think_ after aborting some but not any image) it doesn't startG with a weird error message (which I can't reproduce at the moment - butAH if you like, I post it later) and after an EXIT or STOP the same command works as expected...   -- B< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-8880< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:38:41 -05000/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>0 Subject: Re: DCL... Oops...03 Message-ID: <3B699021.963A4360@applied-synergy.com>A  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > N > I wonder if you would try the following on your Alpha and report the results+ > here.  Please include the version of VMS.0 >  > $ HELP >  > HELP > F >    The   HELP   command   invokes   the  HELP  Facility  to  displayG >    information about a command or topic.  In response to the "Topic?"- >    prompt, you can:k > K >       o Type  the  name of the command  or topic for which you need help.  > K >       o Type  INSTRUCTIONS  for more detailed  instructions on how to usem >         HELP.n > K >       o Type  HINTS  if you are not  sure of the  name  of the command or ( >         topic for which you need help. > C >       o Type HELP/MESSAGE for help with the HELP/MESSAGE command.P > K >       o Type a question mark (?) to redisplay the most recently requestedd >         text.r > * > Press RETURN to continue ...    [CTRL-Y] >  > $ DEFINE THIS THAT > $ CONTINUE >  > Thanks...e      * All results are the output after CONTINUE.  A -----------------------------------------------------------------i VAX/VMS V5.5-2     Sorry, no documentation on     #   Additional information available:s  C   :=         =          @          ACCOUNTING ACS        ADA       d ALLIN1C   ALLOCATE   ANALYZE    APPEND     ASSIGN     ATTACH     AUTHORIZE d AUTOGEN G   BACKUP     Bookreader CALL       CANCEL     CC         CDA_CONVERTERSeC   CLOSE      CMS        CONNECT    CONTINUE   CONTROL_MASTER       C CONVERT H   COPY       CREATE     DEALLOCATE DEASSIGN   DEBUG      DECimage   DECKC   DECthreads DEFINE     DELETE     DEPOSIT    DIFFERENCES          t	 DIRECTORY H   DISABLE    DISCONNECT DISKEEPER  DISKQUOTA  DISMOUNT   DUMP       EDITG   ENABLE     EOD        EOJ        EXAMINE    EXCHANGE   EXIT       FDL H   FMS        FONT       Format_of_error       GCC        GOSUB      GOTOC   HELP       Hints      IF         IMAGE      INITIALIZE INQUIRE   s INSTALL-C   Instructions          JOB        LATCP      Lexicals   LIBRARY   a LICENSEoC   Line_editing          LINK       LMCP       LOGIN      LOGOUT    e LPS_CONSOLE5C   LPS_PRISM  LSEDIT     MACRO      MAIL       MERGE      MESSAGE   l MONITOR C   MOUNT      NCP        NCS        NOTES      ON         OPEN      - PASSWORDC   PATCH      PCA        PHONE      PRINT      PRINT_Parameter      o PSWRAPC   PURGE      QFAX       Queues     READ       RECALL     RECOVER   E RENAMEG   REPLY      REQUEST    RETURN     RMS        RTL_Routines          RUNlC   RUNOFF     SEARCH     SET        SHOW       SORT       SPAWN     s SpecifytD   START      STOP       SUBMIT     Symbol_Assign         SYNCHRONIZEG   SYSGEN     SYSMAN     System_Services       TARGET_HOTLINE        TFF H   TYPE       UIL        UNLOCK     V55_NewFeatures       VIEW       WAIT   WRITEP  >   Additional help libraries available (type @name for topics):     UTILITIESa   Topic?  A -----------------------------------------------------------------/ VAX/VMS V6.2     Sorry, no documentation on X    #   Additional information available:(  C   :=         =          @          ACCOUNTING ALLIN1     ALLOCATE    ANALYZE ?   APPEND     ASSIGN     ATTACH     AUTHORIZE  AUTOGEN    BACKUP C   Berkeley_R_Comm       Bookreader CALL       CANCEL     CC        M CLOSEeH   CMS        CONNECT    CONTINUE   CONTROL_MASTER        CONVERT    COPYC   CREATE     DEALLOCATE DEASSIGN   DEBUG      DECimage   DECK       
 DECthreadsC   DEC_TCP/IP DEFINE     DELETE     DEPOSIT    DIFFERENCES           	 DIRECTORY-A   DISABLE    DISCONNECT DISKEEPER_PLUS        DISKQUOTA  DISMOUNT ?   Documentation         DSR        DUMP       EDIT       ENABLE:C   ENDSUBROUTINE         EOD        EOJ        Errors     EXAMINE   > EXCHANGEG   EXIT       FDL        FMS        FONT       Format_of_error       FTPgC   FTP_overview          GENCAT     GOSUB      GOTO       HELP      1 Hintsu@   ICONV      IF         IMAGE      INITIALIZE INQUIRE    INSTALLC   Instructions          Internet_Mail         JOB        LANCP       LATCP H   Lexicals   LIBRARY    LICENSE    Line_editing          LINK       LMCPD   LOCALE     LOGIN      LOGOUT     LPQ        LPRM       LPS_CONSOLEC   LPS_PRISM  MACRO      MAIL       MERGE      MESSAGE    MONITOR   t MOUNTnC   NCP        NCS        NFS        ON         OPEN       PASSWORD  h PATCHt=   PHONE      POLYCENTER Portmapper PRINT      Print_(LPR/LPD)sC   Print_(network)       PRINT_Parameter       PRODUCT    PSWRAP      PURGEmC   QFAX       Queues     READ       RECALL     RECOVER    RENAME    o REPLY <   REQUEST    RETURN     REXEC      RLOGIN     RMS        RSHG   RTL_Routines          RUN        RUNOFF     R_Commands SEARCH     SETiH   SHOW       SMTP       SORT       SPAWN      Specify    START      STOPC   SUBMIT     SUBROUTINE Symbol_Assign         SYNCHRONIZE          @ SYSGENG   SYSMAN     System_Files          System_Services       TARGET_HOTLINElC   TCP_for_VMS           TELNET     TELNET_overview       TFF       n TN3270H   TYPE       UCX        UIL        UNLOCK     V62_Features          VIEW   WAIT       WRITE  >   Additional help libraries available (type @name for topics):     UTILITIESo   Topic?  A -----------------------------------------------------------------e! Alpha VMS V6.1 - worked correctlyS  A -----------------------------------------------------------------  Alpha VMS V7.1  B   Improperly handled condition, bad stack or no handler specified.1     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 1                         Name   = 000000000000000Cf1                                  0000000000010000U1                                  0000000000000004s1                                  0000000000000004 1                                  0000000000000012        Register dump:9     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007FFAD788  R2  =p 00000000000000009     R3  = 0000000000000004  R4  = 0000000000000000  R5  =e 00000000000000009     R6  = 000000007FFAD778  R7  = 000000007FFAD778  R8  =  000000007FFABD489     R9  = 000000007FFABF50  R10 = 000000007FFADFC0  R11 =s 000000007FFCE3E09     R12 = 000000007B6D44C4  R13 = 000000007B090550  R14 =a FFFFFFFF811A8E809     R15 = 000000007AFEF4B8  R16 = 000000000000001B  R17 =u 00000000000000009     R18 = 000000007FFAD780  R19 = 0000000000000000  R20 =n FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF89     R21 = FFFFFFFFFFFFFF55  R22 = 0000000000000000  R23 =- 00000000000000019     R24 = 0000000000000000  R25 = 0000000000000000  R26 =r 000000007FFADFC09     R27 = 0000000000000008  R28 = 7FFAD25100000004  R29 =a 7B0E555E0000000B9     SP  = 000000007FFABD15  PC  = 7FFAD25100000004  PS  =7 1500000000000012; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual-: address=000000000000000C, PC=0000000000000012, PS=00000002    G -----------------------------------------------------------------------C$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:44:09 +0200u, From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)9 Subject: Re: DCPS v1.8 and missing characters on HP4050TN D Message-ID: <aus-0208011544090001@wvia48.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  H In article <9k74j3$9fn$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave Gudewicz"" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote:   > When we issue the following: > E > $ print file.txt /param=page_orient=landscape/layup=lps$singleholese > : > we noticed that the characters "y" and "_" do not print. > E > We wonder what font is being used when the above command is issued.  > ' > Printer firmware is at  MB6.27 and 28r >  > TIA, > 	 > Dave...    Dave,l  6 The release notes state that you need firmware MB6.30.   -- aB Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:01:47 +0000 (UTC)9 From: Roar =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thron=E6s?= <roart@nvg.ntnu.no>- Subject: dec 4000 problem - Message-ID: <9kbmgb$q4o$1@tyfon.itea.ntnu.no>e   Hi  + Anyone who can help me with a DEC 4000-610?sN It is not usual, but I suppose it has something in common with other machines.    There seems to be a fan problem.D When I turn on th AC Circuit Breaker on the back, and then the DC OnE in front, all the 4 fans start, but then the power to them is cut offt> and the PSC glows on Fan Failure and Fault ID Display shows 9.2 But all the fans were in order and 9 is not a fan.   What should I do?H0 Is it possible to skip the fan test in some way?   Thanks in advance   
 -Roar Thronse   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:59:40 +0100* From: Andrew Robinson <arobinson@hspg.com>/ Subject: RE: DECserver 700 documentation neededeM Message-ID: <CDA4BAD1E10ED41181AC00508B6051D3C3E315@grumpy.internal.hspg.com>   J I have a spare DS700 (Non Flash ready) plus a complete set of MMJ8 to MMJ6J adaptors for it for anyone who's interested in it. Complete with Manual, &3 if required a TK50 with version 1 of the software. t I'm in the UK in Northampton.e   Regards    Andrew Robinson      -----Original Message-----+ From: Scott Vieth [mailto:svieth@wi.rr.com]  Sent: 02 August 2001 04:30 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc/ Subject: Re: DECserver 700 documentation neededp     Bob:  G I'm pretty handy with 700s.  Feel free to email me directly if you haver questions during theL day (svieth@wi.rr.com) on configuring your 700.  I only read c.o.v. at night	 when it'sp quiet...  
 -Scott :^)   Bob Kaplow wrote:o  < > In article <0033000031023531000002L012*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:M$ > > =0AWhat information do you need? > >eC > > The only thing I've got is the Site Preparation and Maintenancem: > > (Hardware Owner's Manual), and a quick reference card. > >uE > > If what you need to know can be answered succinctly, I'll post it  > > for you. >pH > I'm setting one up from scratch for use with ConsoleWorks. It's been a LONGI > time since I've done DECservers, and never a 700. The first problem washL > figuring out how to go from RJ-45 to MMJ for my terminal to do the set-up. I L > ended up with more adapters connected to a piece of wire than I'd considerK > appropriate, but it works. But I think I found what I need to figure thisgH > out in the VMS FAQ. Is there a simple set of instructions for building that > flat MMJ to RJ-45 cable? >.. > At any rate, someone emailed me a pointer toK > http://www.dnpg.com/dr/hubs/servers/manuals/ If that doesn't give me whatt Ie% > need, I'll post specific questions.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:21:22 -0600e$ From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> Subject: Dismounting a drive) Message-ID: <3B698C12.3D22D71F@cha.ab.ca>>  G I have an old shadow set (DSA6) which no longer fits in our plans.  AlltE the data files on it have been deleted and no users are accessing the F drive anymore.  I am ready  to dismount it but the "Trans Count" stillG shows "13".  Following is the info on the drive.  Can anyone suggest as E to what (phantom) files may still be lingering on the drive and being  accessed?  TIA.     1 K _DSA6:[000000] $ dir/size/date dsa6:[000000...]    Directory DSA6:[000000]r  : 000000.DIR;1                    3  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.216 BACKUP.SYS;1                0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.216 BADBLK.SYS;1                5  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.216 BADLOG.SYS;1                0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.216 BITMAP.SYS;1              185  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.218 CONTIN.SYS;1                  0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.217 CORIMG.SYS;1                 0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.21 5 INDEXF.SYS;1           46135  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.21A7 SECURITY.SYS;1               1   5-DEC-1994 02:14:22.44d9 VOLSET.SYS;1                   0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.21e    Total of 10 files, 46329 blocks.    $ K _DSA6:[000000] $ show device dsa6:  A Device               Device           Error   Volume         Free 
 Trans  MntE  Name                 Status            Count   Label          Blocks 
 Count  Cnt3 DSA6:              Mounted              0       SS6  3712400    13    4A $2$DUA14:   (HSC001)   ShadowSetMember      0   (member of DSA6:) G $2$DUA36:                (L)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA6:)m    , K _DSA6:[000000] $ analyze/disk/repair dsa6:? Analyze/Disk_Structure/Repair for _DSA6: started on  2-AUG-2001- 11:08:36.88h  . %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file    & K _DSA6:[000000] $ show dev/file dsa6:  9 Files accessed on device DSA6: on  2-AUG-2001 11:09:42.47   # Process name      PID     File namea.                 00000000  [000000]INDEXF.SYS;1 K _DSA6:[000000] $   -- Leeu  ; Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authoritya? Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSC.4 Phone:  (780) 477-4725, 477-4233   10240 Kingsway NW? Fax:      (780) 491-5119, 491-5619    Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9T   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:30:39 -0400o* From: Sylvain Plante <splante@nrcan.gc.ca>  Subject: Re: Dismounting a drive+ Message-ID: <3B698E3F.5DEAC36B@nrcan.gc.ca>    Lee,  H Is your drive mounted "cluster" by maybe 13 other nodes in the cluster ?   It's worth a verification    Sylvain Plante" Center for topographic information Canaca splante@nrcan.gc.cat   Lee Y T Mah wrote:  I > I have an old shadow set (DSA6) which no longer fits in our plans.  AlleG > the data files on it have been deleted and no users are accessing the H > drive anymore.  I am ready  to dismount it but the "Trans Count" stillI > shows "13".  Following is the info on the drive.  Can anyone suggest as G > to what (phantom) files may still be lingering on the drive and beingu > accessed?  TIA.o >.3 > K _DSA6:[000000] $ dir/size/date dsa6:[000000...]> >  > Directory DSA6:[000000]n >e< > 000000.DIR;1                    3  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.218 > BACKUP.SYS;1                0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.218 > BADBLK.SYS;1                5  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.218 > BADLOG.SYS;1                0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.218 > BITMAP.SYS;1              185  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.21: > CONTIN.SYS;1                  0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.219 > CORIMG.SYS;1                 0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.21s7 > INDEXF.SYS;1           46135  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.21 9 > SECURITY.SYS;1               1   5-DEC-1994 02:14:22.44 ; > VOLSET.SYS;1                   0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.21@ >p" > Total of 10 files, 46329 blocks. >m& > K _DSA6:[000000] $ show device dsa6: >wC > Device               Device           Error   Volume         Free6 > Trans  MntG >  Name                 Status            Count   Label          Blocks  > Count  Cnt5 > DSA6:              Mounted              0       SS6t > 3712400    13    4C > $2$DUA14:   (HSC001)   ShadowSetMember      0   (member of DSA6:) I > $2$DUA36:                (L)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA6:)k > . > K _DSA6:[000000] $ analyze/disk/repair dsa6:A > Analyze/Disk_Structure/Repair for _DSA6: started on  2-AUG-2001s
 > 11:08:36.88	 >i0 > %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file >-( > K _DSA6:[000000] $ show dev/file dsa6: > ; > Files accessed on device DSA6: on  2-AUG-2001 11:09:42.47s >l% > Process name      PID     File nameo0 >                 00000000  [000000]INDEXF.SYS;1 > K _DSA6:[000000] $ >r > -- > Leea >o= > Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health AuthoritybA > Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSCe6 > Phone:  (780) 477-4725, 477-4233   10240 Kingsway NWA > Fax:      (780) 491-5119, 491-5619    Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:36:07 -0400d2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)  Subject: Re: Dismounting a driveL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0208011336090001@user-2ivecir.dialup.mindspring.com>  O In article <3B698C12.3D22D71F@cha.ab.ca>, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@cha.ab.ca> wrote:-  I > I have an old shadow set (DSA6) which no longer fits in our plans.  AllHG > the data files on it have been deleted and no users are accessing theAH > drive anymore.  I am ready  to dismount it but the "Trans Count" stillI > shows "13".  Following is the info on the drive.  Can anyone suggest ascG > to what (phantom) files may still be lingering on the drive and being6 > accessed?  TIA.i  F What does show device/file say about this disk?  Do this on every node that has the disk mounted.  @ I have seen NFS server software hold on to disks in subtle ways.   -- o Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:33:15 -0400 From: William_Bochnik@acml.com  Subject: Re: Dismounting a drive> Message-ID: <OF65E5D6CA.F5608937-ON85256A9C.006065A8@acml.com>  > your show device/file command shows that the disk is not being used - just dismount it.    a                                                                                                  ta                     Lee Y T Mah                                                                  Sa                     <lytmah@cha.a                To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                      ha                     b.ca>                        cc:                                              a                                          Subject:     Dismounting a drive                        .a                     08/02/2001                                                                   na                     01:21 PM                                                                      a                                                                                                   a                                                                                                         ; I have an old shadow set (DSA6) which no longer fits in our  plans.  AllOA the data files on it have been deleted and no users are accessingK theE@ drive anymore.  I am ready  to dismount it but the "Trans Count" stillR< shows "13".  Following is the info on the drive.  Can anyone
 suggest as? to what (phantom) files may still be lingering on the drive and  beingD accessed?  TIA.F    1 K _DSA6:[000000] $ dir/size/date dsa6:[000000...]O   Directory DSA6:[000000]   : 000000.DIR;1                    3  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.216 BACKUP.SYS;1                0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.216 BADBLK.SYS;1                5  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.216 BADLOG.SYS;1                0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.216 BITMAP.SYS;1              185  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.218 CONTIN.SYS;1                  0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.217 CORIMG.SYS;1                 0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.21 5 INDEXF.SYS;1           46135  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.21 7 SECURITY.SYS;1               1   5-DEC-1994 02:14:22.44R9 VOLSET.SYS;1                   0  24-MAY-1990 13:00:09.21     Total of 10 files, 46329 blocks.    $ K _DSA6:[000000] $ show device dsa6:  A Device               Device           Error   Volume         Free 
 Trans  Mnt5  Name                 Status            Count   LabelS Blocks
 Count  Cnt3 DSA6:              Mounted              0       SS6  3712400    13    4A $2$DUA14:   (HSC001)   ShadowSetMember      0   (member of DSA6:)a@ $2$DUA36:                (L)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA6:)    , K _DSA6:[000000] $ analyze/disk/repair dsa6:? Analyze/Disk_Structure/Repair for _DSA6: started on  2-AUG-2001l 11:08:36.88a  . %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file    & K _DSA6:[000000] $ show dev/file dsa6:  9 Files accessed on device DSA6: on  2-AUG-2001 11:09:42.47d  # Process name      PID     File nameL.                 00000000  [000000]INDEXF.SYS;1 K _DSA6:[000000] $   -- Lee   ; Lee Y T Mah                        Capital Health Authority ? Email: lytmah@cha.ab.ca            Information Systems, RAH CSCI4 Phone:  (780) 477-4725, 477-4233   10240 Kingsway NW? Fax:      (780) 491-5119, 491-5619    Edmonton, AB, CAN  T5H3V9             F ______________________________________________________________________;  The information contained in this transmission may contain @ privileged and confidential information and is intended only forA the use of the person(s) name above.  If you are not the intended = recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for deliveringL3 this message to the intended recipient, any review, @ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication? is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient, A please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy # all copies of the original message.t   ------------------------------    Date: 02 Aug 2001 11:04:02 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>R? Subject: Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)PH Message-ID: <y44rrqltod.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  1 Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:   8 > What do you do for the first machine you get in house?  8 Pop the OS distribution CD into its drive and boot that.   	Jan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:33:49 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ? Subject: Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)O2 Message-ID: <Zifa7.544$Yx2.10075@news.cpqcorp.net>  $ Jan Vorbrueggen wrote in message ...2 >Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: > 9 >> What do you do for the first machine you get in house?e >v9 >Pop the OS distribution CD into its drive and boot that.  >-    J Maybe what he meant was "what if this is the first IPF machine you have inL house".  The answer then is, I would expect PXE booting to be added to Alpha as well.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:20:21 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>0? Subject: Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)0, Message-ID: <3B698BD4.F3A204C0@videotron.ca>   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:: > > What do you do for the first machine you get in house? > : > Pop the OS distribution CD into its drive and boot that.  I This brings interesting long term issues though.  Digital doesn't have to0H worry about supporting the console mode for the MicrovaxII because it isK "fixed" in ROM. It is a known entity with all MicrovaxII owners essentially0K having the same console software (from the OS/documentation point of view).0  N But when you start to have the console software on media that gets distributedM to every customer, then that console software must be able to work on any and05 all IA64 machines (at least all that Compaq builds). F  N While Compaq may not have long term thinking because it just builds disposableH wintel boxes that it doesn't have to support, when you get to enterpriseL systems, shouldn't long term support become an issue ? Shouldn't Compaq alsoI consider the issue of customers running different versions of the console0P depending on which CD was in the caddy when the machine was powered up etc etc ?  K If the console softwre ships with the VMS distribution, this means that the0L engineers will have to find a way to have console software that is either soM vanilla that it will work on any and all IA64 machines, or find a way to have V individually accessible console software for every model os IA64 Compaq ever produced.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:16:28 -0500n/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>1? Subject: Re: IPF Console Bootstrap (was: No chance for OpenVMS)43 Message-ID: <3B698AEC.284CF646@applied-synergy.com>c   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > 3 > Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:b > : > > What do you do for the first machine you get in house? > : > Pop the OS distribution CD into its drive and boot that. > 
 >         Jana    ; I apologize.  I must have been suffering from dain bramage.f  E For some reason, I read Fred's post as saying that you had to use thea( network boot to load the disk utilities.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------3$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com -   Fax: 817-237-3074g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:21:01 +0100g From: paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com3 Subject: Memo:  Re: (v. cheap) used vax kit wanted?oE Message-ID: <OF0DC7E792.B1D327CF-ON80256A9C.002DA37F@systems.uk.hsbc>a  J I have a working (and fully loaded) 3100 M48 in London I can let go cheap. If interested mail me direct.t   Paul      D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseAB  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
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 A-1010 Vienna  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.atA  : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:17:04 GMTiF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman), Subject: Re: Need help with AlphaStation 2001 Message-ID: <QEaa7.529$Yx2.9640@news.cpqcorp.net>t  j In article <4g0a7.417$_s.82829@typhoon1.gnilink.net>, "John Fredrickson" <jafred@bellatlantic.net> writes: >7F >I recently purchased an AlphaStation 200 4/233 that I plan to install" >OpenVMS on. I have several needs: >(I >1. I need a schematic of the motherboard. I want to set the jumpers thatyI >allows me to use the serial port as the console rather than the graphics2H >monitor. The CPU is missing the graphics controller and I don't want to! >spend a lot of money to buy one.e  B I don't have my manual handy, but you should not need a schematic,@ or even open the case.  There should be a switch labeled "S3" on; the back of the unit.  Flipping this switch will direct the ; console to the serial port.  (I've never tried one of these B systems without a video board, to see if it will default to serial@ if there is no video board.  However, setting the S3 switch will re-direct the console.)    >0H >2. I also need a ARC console manual that describes all the commands. IfF >there's a AS200 release notes or install guide, I could use that too. ><  : Are you sure you mean the ARC console?  The ARC console is> graphically oriented, and is normally used only for Windows NT9 (though you can install some kinds of Linux from it).  If 6 you're going to run OpenVMS, you want the SRM console.  @ I don't think I've ever seen a manual for the ARC console, sinceA it's graphically based it basically presents all of it's commandss> on the screen for you, and you choose one.  If you are running: the SRM console, just type in HELP for a list of commands.  < If you have one of the AS200s that only have enough room for; one console, you will first need to boot the firmware CD too< switch the console back to SRM if it's currently set to ARC.8 I'm not sure if that's possible from the serial console.  < You may want to put in a video card, at least long enough to; get the firmware set and the console set to SRM and serial. : Almost any VGA card should be sufficient for this (even if9 it's not supported by OpenVMS and DECwindows).  There areA9 a lot of S3 based cards around, you should be able to getM9 one very inexpensively (even free, if someone is throwingN out an old PC).    --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a05  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.3   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:35:29 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman), Subject: Re: Need help with AlphaStation 2001 Message-ID: <5Waa7.530$Yx2.9794@news.cpqcorp.net>   > I need to make some corrections to my last post, now that I've> been able to go and look at the back of an AS200.  Apparently,' these systems don't have the S3 switch.d  < If the system is currently set to load the SRM console, then; when it boots up it should respond to the serial line, eveno< if the console is set to graphic.  If so, then you can enter the commandT   set console serial  : and from then on when it boots it will use the serial line as the default console.:  9 If the system is set to the ARC console, I think you will27 have to put a video card in it, at least long enough to = switch to the SRM console (done with the system configuration 8 options, you change the operating system you want to use: to be OpenVMS) and reboot.  If the system then comes up in; the SRM console, you can set the console to serial.  If the : system comes up in ARC even after selecting OpenVMS as the: operating system, you have a system that can only hold one; console at a time, and you will need to update the firmwared< from CD (this is an option in the ARC menues).  When it asks9 which console to update, select SRM only.  After updatinge: the console, the system should boot to SRM, at which point9 you can issue the set console serial command, and, if you  like, remove the video board.6     -- o(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 03:12:28 -0700 ' From: nikki_wire@yahoo.com (nikki_wire) 1 Subject: Now here's a challenge for you guys....! < Message-ID: <60fdd9c9.0108020212.8c9d47a@posting.google.com>  @ ok, no-one so far has been able to help me with this. Here's the
 challenge:  D I would like to edit my login.com so that my welcome message appearsD letter by letter *on the same command line* (not just do a type 'a',4 wait 2, type 'b', etc and get a letter on each line.  A I'm after text appearing h (pause) e (pause) l(pause) l (pause) 0tE (pause) before my start prompt appears. I sure as heck can't suss out E if it's doable - is there any expert out there who can save the day?!    Thanks a million   Nikki    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 20:25:33 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au 5 Subject: Re: Now here's a challenge for you guys....! 5 Message-ID: <01K6O6FHA7QA003GP4@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Nikki,  A >ok, no-one so far has been able to help me with this. Here's thev >challenge:  > E >I would like to edit my login.com so that my welcome message appears E >letter by letter *on the same command line* (not just do a type 'a', 5 >wait 2, type 'b', etc and get a letter on each line.  > B >I'm after text appearing h (pause) e (pause) l(pause) l (pause) 0F >(pause) before my start prompt appears. I sure as heck can't suss outF >if it's doable - is there any expert out there who can save the day?!  O Yep, all this is easily doable, but not something I would bother with unless I aN had a real application need.  Check out the file sys$system:smgterms.txt.  It E will give you all the screen handling escapes to play whatever games.   M Most people want to log on as quickly as possible to get their grubby little iN hands onto some good ol' DCL :-))  Get your system manager to put a 10 minute K wait in SYS$MANAGER:SYLOGIN for anyone who logs in at coffee break time :-)   M If Bill's crowd can write Easter Eggs, so can we.  I don't get paid to write   them though.   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 11:32:23 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>S5 Subject: Re: Now here's a challenge for you guys....!S0 Message-ID: <foea7.3281$Z2.20076@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  4 "nikki_wire" <nikki_wire@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:60fdd9c9.0108020212.8c9d47a@posting.google.com... >...F > I would like to edit my login.com so that my welcome message appearsF > letter by letter *on the same command line* (not just do a type 'a',6 > wait 2, type 'b', etc and get a letter on each line. >...  I Here's something I did for some now unknown reason... (watch out for line " wraps, every line starts with "$") $ type display_wait.comC $!- $!  P1 is the number of milliseconds to wait.  $! $ milli = 504 $ if f$integer(p1) .gt. 0 then milli = f$integer(p1)F $ delay = f$fao("00:00:!2ZL.!2ZL",milli/100,milli - milli / 100 * 100) $! $! Open the text file. $!1 $ open/read/error=error infile sys$login:text.txti $! $loop_read:i$ $ read infile inline/end=end_of_file $ length='f$length(inline) $ position = 0 $! $loop_display:* $ character = f$extract(position,1,inline) $!7 $! Display a character without the linefeed at the end.e $!@ $ read sys$error ans /prompt="''character'"/timeout=0/error=wait $wait: $! $! Wait before the next displayF $!
 $ wait 'delay0 $ position = position + 1 0 $ if position .le. length then goto loop_display $! $! Put in a linefeed $! $ write sys$error "" $ goto loop_read $!
 $end_of_file:- $ close infile $! $error:a $!     -- Peter WeaverJ Using a WIN NT/WIN 2000 box to manage your VMS systems is like towing your7 mechanic in a 5th wheel motor home behind your Porsche.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:25:54 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 5 Subject: Re: Now here's a challenge for you guys....!e+ Message-ID: <3B698D20.C980577@videotron.ca>t   nikki_wire wrote:vC > I'm after text appearing h (pause) e (pause) l(pause) l (pause) 0nG > (pause) before my start prompt appears. I sure as heck can't suss outhG > if it's doable - is there any expert out there who can save the day?!e  K You can pad the text with null characters in between. Calculate the averagetJ baud rate of your users and then count how manu nulls are needed to make aM pause. Inserting a null in a string depends on the editor. Generally, <CTRL>2RK does the trick if I remember correctly. (On TPU, do a <CTRL-V> and then theo$ control character you want inserted.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:00:54 -0300+ From: <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  Subject: OpenVMS  + ItaniumtL Message-ID: <OF87560593.0330FEC9-ON03256A9C.00471654@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   People,h  C I think it's time to discuss the new features which everybody wantsz? to run under OpenVMS + Itannium. Reading the news, officialy itf? will be available in 2004. Well. this conference can help a lot 8 if we become united and confident in OpenVMS despite all the "marketing" problems.i  < For example, the company I am working for depends on OpenVMSD for Industrial Automation in all the oil rigs. There are hundreds of+ Alphaservers running Control Systems's VXL.     8 What do you want (technically) in terms of improvments ?     Regardse   FC   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 09:27:22 -0500-+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)0 Subject: Re: OpenVMS  + Itaniumo3 Message-ID: <4cU0C3p6x57d@eisner.encompasserve.org>(  z In article <OF87560593.0330FEC9-ON03256A9C.00471654@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> writes:	 > People,c > E > I think it's time to discuss the new features which everybody wants A > to run under OpenVMS + Itannium. Reading the news, officialy itiA > will be available in 2004. Well. this conference can help a loth: > if we become united and confident in OpenVMS despite all > the "marketing" problems.r > > > For example, the company I am working for depends on OpenVMSF > for Industrial Automation in all the oil rigs. There are hundreds of- > Alphaservers running Control Systems's VXL.s >  > : > What do you want (technically) in terms of improvments ? >  > = 	Since it is a single code base going forward, those featuresm> 	show up in Alpha too.  Alpha hardware sold through 2006, etc.  ? 	New feature?  Storage independent Volume Shadowing mini-merge.eB 	This may require higher inter-connect bandwidth and lower latencyB 	and something the end user turns on.  Essentially, the write goes@ 	to three or more places.  First, written to remote node memory,E 	then to 2 or more shadowsets, then cleaned up in remote node memory sF 	(bit flipped).  The remote node memory would act as write history logA 	in the HSD/HSJ.  And yes, this may be a much harder problem thant& 	I so flippantly suggest is an answer!  ? 	Why?  Because those of us forced to use foreign storage and/ore@ 	those on HSG80 today are at risk with Volume Shadowing.  A nodeA 	crashing throws all our shadowsets in full merge.  You do one ofiC 	two things... you get rid of Volume Shadowing (not good at all) ORs9 	you buy enough I/O throughput.  Expensive but necessary.8   				Robi   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 04:21:40 -0700s  From: alanb@cloud9.net (Alan B.)5 Subject: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!o= Message-ID: <88599d89.0108020321.6950d216@posting.google.com>t  C Holy Cow!...I received an Email from Compaq yesterday entitled "LowfB Cost VMS Support Services from Compaq". Here's some of the text...  F Compaq's Offshore Services cut development costs by more than 50%  and* help VMS Customers Grow at Internet Speed!? With the increasing pressures to execute information technology A initiatives at lower costs, the use of collaborative cross border-F software development and support methodologies is fast gaining favor. A Organizations now have the ability to use global software supportM? units that utilize industry standard engineering techniques and9@ processes, to get quality service and a quick return on their IT dollar.u= In line with our philosophy of offering the best value to oureC customers, we have established a remote software development center*C through our subsidiary, "Digital India", to bring these benefits torD you.  Our center is staffed with over 1200 skilled professionals andC is fully equipped with high-speed communication links, state of theeB art infrastructure, the latest tools and development platforms, as: well as the entire infrastructure required to support yourA environment.  Compaq has developed an efficient offshore deliverymC model enabling us to offer cost effective services to our customersn
 worldwide.E As a part of our tradition to provide you with the best value, we are,< pleased to offer the following offshore and onsite services: 	Application Management 	Application Integrations8 	Application Migration and Porting ( i.e. VAX to Alpha) 	Web-Enabling6 	Operations, system management and Help Desk support.  B A primary focus area of our remote center is OpenVMS with 200+ VMS> system and application engineers.  This team has been activelyE involved in the development, enhancement, maintenance and support fort@ applications and products on the VMS platform since 1995 and has> played a significant role in migrating applications for Compaq? customers worldwide to newer technologies and platforms.  Their F extensive expertise in VMS/Open VMS, strong processes, skills in otherE platforms, and Internet technologies make it an ideal partner for our4 VMS customers.> A proven offshore methodology allows this center to offer mostD services from offshore thus leading to reductions in project cost ofF 50% and more.  Many satisfied customers site the following reasons for moving work offshore:E4 	Availability of large, high quality VMS resources 4 	Reduced development, maintenance and support costs1 	Sound offshore methodology and mature processes ( 	Best in class infrastructure and tools@ 	Strong processes and skills in Internet technologies and other
 platforms.  D In summary this remote center provides a portfolio of cost effective@ quality services with sound delivery processes and global 24 X 7 supportsA capability.  For information on these and other offshore servicesV visite' http://www.digitalindiasw.com/index.aspb) <http://www.digitalindiasw.com/index.asp>h* <http://www.digitalindiasw.com/index.asp> D or contact Judy Koenig-Demarino, Customer Services Planning Manager, byB phone at 212-856-2886, or email at judy.koenig-demarino@compaq.com( <mailto:judy.koenig-demarino@compaq.com>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:33:28 -0300+ From: <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>R9 Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!hL Message-ID: <OF7A0675F6.5F1915FD-ON03256A9C.003E9D9F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  
 Hehehe....  H There are 11 OpenVMS developers at Compaq and hundreds in India.  The c= ost 
 of US$ 100,00OE per month each salary will be easy to port OpenVMS, Tru64, WNT :-))))CH The new version of OpenVMS will be code-named  Gandhi ? Delhi ? Bombay = ?a  H American IT  companies should look much more to Latin America developer= sA  ( Or .... this FCAA will be a fiasco ! ! !  H Now serious:  The great advantage of porting OpenVMS is the all documen= ted  features ofaH this operating system and layered prodcts.  I never discovered any othe= re software/operatingF system will all the documentation  available. Great job from DEC ! ! !   Regardsa   FC    H                                                                        =            =20H                     alanb@cloud9.                                      =            =20H                     net (Alan B.)        Para:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com =            =20H                                          cc:                           =            =20H                     02/08/2001           Assunto:     Outsourcing of VM= S support  =20H                     08:21                to Digital India!             =            =20H                     Responder a                                        =            =20H                     alanb                                              =            =20H                                                                        =            =20H                                                                        =            =20        C Holy Cow!...I received an Email from Compaq yesterday entitled "LowtB Cost VMS Support Services from Compaq". Here's some of the text...  F Compaq's Offshore Services cut development costs by more than 50%  and* help VMS Customers Grow at Internet Speed!? With the increasing pressures to execute information technologyeA initiatives at lower costs, the use of collaborative cross borderoE software development and support methodologies is fast gaining favor.sA Organizations now have the ability to use global software support ? units that utilize industry standard engineering techniques andp@ processes, to get quality service and a quick return on their IT dollar. = In line with our philosophy of offering the best value to our C customers, we have established a remote software development centermC through our subsidiary, "Digital India", to bring these benefits to D you.  Our center is staffed with over 1200 skilled professionals andC is fully equipped with high-speed communication links, state of thesB art infrastructure, the latest tools and development platforms, as: well as the entire infrastructure required to support yourA environment.  Compaq has developed an efficient offshore deliverytC model enabling us to offer cost effective services to our customerso
 worldwide.E As a part of our tradition to provide you with the best value, we ared< pleased to offer the following offshore and onsite services: =B7    Application Management  =B7    Application Integration= =B7    Application Migration and Porting ( i.e. VAX to Alpha)  =B7    Web-Enabling ; =B7    Operations, system management and Help Desk support.n  B A primary focus area of our remote center is OpenVMS with 200+ VMS> system and application engineers.  This team has been activelyE involved in the development, enhancement, maintenance and support forn@ applications and products on the VMS platform since 1995 and has> played a significant role in migrating applications for Compaq? customers worldwide to newer technologies and platforms.  TheirmF extensive expertise in VMS/Open VMS, strong processes, skills in otherE platforms, and Internet technologies make it an ideal partner for our9 VMS customers.> A proven offshore methodology allows this center to offer mostD services from offshore thus leading to reductions in project cost ofF 50% and more.  Many satisfied customers site the following reasons for moving work offshore:n8 =B7    Availability of large, high quality VMS resources9 =B7    Reduced development, maintenance and support costsh6 =B7    Sound offshore methodology and mature processes- =B7    Best in class infrastructure and toolssE =B7    Strong processes and skills in Internet technologies and other 
 platforms.  D In summary this remote center provides a portfolio of cost effective@ quality services with sound delivery processes and global 24 X 7 supportyA capability.  For information on these and other offshore servicesr visit ' http://www.digitalindiasw.com/index.aspo) <http://www.digitalindiasw.com/index.asp>I) <http://www.digitalindiasw.com/index.asp>eD or contact Judy Koenig-Demarino, Customer Services Planning Manager, byB phone at 212-856-2886, or email at judy.koenig-demarino@compaq.com( <mailto:judy.koenig-demarino@compaq.com>     =.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:25:30 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>S9 Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!m8 Message-ID: <m7himt8um48q6a5v29ftjlnqrcg6tfoj3l@4ax.com>  ? On 2 Aug 2001 04:21:40 -0700, alanb@cloud9.net (Alan B.) wrote:g  D >Holy Cow!...I received an Email from Compaq yesterday entitled "LowC >Cost VMS Support Services from Compaq". Here's some of the text...A  E When Digital India recently advertised for VMS staff the ad said: "IfoD VMS is your religion, here is a chance to work with God" So far theyB seem to be the only Compaq subsidiary still allowed to call itself+ "Digital" and use the "d|i|g|i|t|a|l" logo.g     -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:58:19 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>9 Subject: RE: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!m- Message-ID: <0033000031129758000002L082*@MHS>o   =0AHoly COW?  Digital India?   Surely you jest.   WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe* > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:14 AMF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET; > Subject: RE: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!n >  >kA > On 2 Aug 2001 04:21:40 -0700, alanb@cloud9.net (Alan B.) wrote:5 > F > >Holy Cow!...I received an Email from Compaq yesterday entitled "LowE > >Cost VMS Support Services from Compaq". Here's some of the text...t >sH > When Digital India recently advertised for VMS staff the ad said: "If=  F > VMS is your religion, here is a chance to work with God" So far theyD > seem to be the only Compaq subsidiary still allowed to call itself- > "Digital" and use the "d|i|g|i|t|a|l" logo.p >b >e > -- > Alan >=   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:38:24 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>.9 Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!a2 Message-ID: <gnfa7.545$Yx2.10216@news.cpqcorp.net>  * Eh?  Where did this number "11" come from?  8 fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in message ...  
 Hehehe....  @ There are 11 OpenVMS developers at Compaq and hundreds in India.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 13:15:00 -0500a+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)t9 Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!n3 Message-ID: <36Ji5MIIFUFW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <gnfa7.545$Yx2.10216@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: > , > Eh?  Where did this number "11" come from? > : > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in message ... >  > Hehehe.... > B > There are 11 OpenVMS developers at Compaq and hundreds in India. >   = 	And if no one in VMS engineering doesn't have a gag for thisn% 	at CETS I *will* be disappointed... o  ' 	Folks.... make a t-shirt or something:2    /                              I am one of the 11i    + 	Much more imaginative things I am sure... e   				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:30:57 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>.9 Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!n, Message-ID: <3B698E4F.9ED4D662@videotron.ca>   "Alan B." wrote:@ > system and application engineers.  This team has been activelyG > involved in the development, enhancement, maintenance and support forrB > applications and products on the VMS platform since 1995 and has@ > played a significant role in migrating applications for Compaq; > customers worldwide to newer technologies and platforms. n  M It is the last part of the sentence that Compaq should learn NEVER to includeaM in text, especially now that it has embarked on what seems to be a mission tooM kill off the remainder of Digital's products in favour of newer techonologiesi and platforms.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:14:12 -0300+ From: <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>n9 Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India! L Message-ID: <OFE60DE526.0C007744-ON03256A9C.005E8718@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  F The number of developers "11" came from "The Inquirer"  I believe ....  I Is the reason of the "Files-11" name ? I never understood why "Files-11".n   Regardsc   FC    Y                                                                                          eY                     "Fred Kleinsorge"                                                    -Y                     <kleinsorge@star.zk        Para:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com             aY                     o.dec.com>                 cc:                                       eY                                                Assunto:     Re: Outsourcing of VMS       eY                     02/08/2001 13:38           support to Digital India!                  Y                     Responder a "Fred                                                    nY                     Kleinsorge"                                                          yY                                                                                          -Y                                                                                          b          * Eh?  Where did this number "11" come from?  8 fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in message ...  
 Hehehe....  @ There are 11 OpenVMS developers at Compaq and hundreds in India.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:22:49 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>o- Subject: Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80n8 Message-ID: <sf2imt011il0r1540gsi7n99kkljdffone@4ax.com>  A On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 05:25:53 GMT, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:   Q >I agree. We have HSZ70, HSZ80 and HSG80 controllers, and the HSG80 is very, verynN >fast. Much faster than the HSZ80. On a rather small raid 0+1 set (6 disks) we >get > 2000 IO's /sec.  D It really depends on your mix of reads, seeks, transfer size etc. IfD you are reading at random from all over the volume (as we mainly do)D then an HSG80 can actually be very slightly slower than the HSZ80. IE have sets of 6 disks configured RAID 0+1 as well and we see around 30oF - 40 MB/sec linear read speed and I've seen > 10,000 IOs/sec - (randomD IO) especially if, for some jobs,  the reads can mainly be satisfiedA from cache (VMS or controller) during some of our overnight jobs.   D However the HSG80 results above were with  very early HSG80 firmwareE and it is possible that the HSG80 can now beat the HSZ80 even on lotsgD of small IOs as I am not aware of any technical reason why it should- have maxed out at less IOs/sec than the HSZ80t   >>8 >> If you can spend the extra $$ go for the HSG80's!!!!!  = Agreed though as it is likely to be supported a bit longer...e   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:29:31 -0400u- From: Jack Patteeuw <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com>l- Subject: Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80i, Message-ID: <3B692B8B.3F05E2A7@peoplepc.com>   > >>: > >> If you can spend the extra $$ go for the HSG80's!!!!! > ? > Agreed though as it is likely to be supported a bit longer...h    F End Of Life has already been announced for everything less than HSx80.  
 Jack Patteeuwe   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:38:05 +0100r% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>h- Subject: Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80p8 Message-ID: <seeimt0qi764lu06avvjpq324og3s8dlbj@4ax.com>  1 On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:29:31 -0400, Jack Patteeuwe  <jjpatteeuw@peoplepc.com> wrote:   >r >> >>h; >> >> If you can spend the extra $$ go for the HSG80's!!!!!t >> f@ >> Agreed though as it is likely to be supported a bit longer... >o >gG >End Of Life has already been announced for everything less than HSx80.c  F Tell me about it! I've still got a call open with Compaq asking for an@ assurance that there are no current plans to desupport the HSx80F series within the next two years. They can't even give that right now!C If you absolutely don't need to buy an HSx80 I'd be tempted to waitrF for the new controllers as I suspect those buying an HSx80 today  will- find them off support in less than two years.h  C And Compaq will wonder why Storageworks sales plummet over the nexto? few months while PCs continue to lose big money. Then, oh dear,e> they've got no more ex-DEC left to subsidize the sinking ship.   >Jack Patteeuw   -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 09:01:01 -0500v+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s- Subject: Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80i3 Message-ID: <0lMwWtpbSD1f@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  ` In article <sf2imt011il0r1540gsi7n99kkljdffone@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:C > On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 05:25:53 GMT, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:t > R >>I agree. We have HSZ70, HSZ80 and HSG80 controllers, and the HSG80 is very, veryO >>fast. Much faster than the HSZ80. On a rather small raid 0+1 set (6 disks) wed >>get > 2000 IO's /sec.h > F > It really depends on your mix of reads, seeks, transfer size etc. IfF > you are reading at random from all over the volume (as we mainly do)F > then an HSG80 can actually be very slightly slower than the HSZ80. IG > have sets of 6 disks configured RAID 0+1 as well and we see around 30tH > - 40 MB/sec linear read speed and I've seen > 10,000 IOs/sec - (random > IO)    	Alan,  1 	Random I/O for your entire cluster for all sets? E 	I think this chart is a bit optimistic (if I recall, I do think the   	sustained numbers are lower).  J http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/proliantstorage/uhd/ultra3-15k.html  ; 	But let's go with the 160 IOPS for the 15K drive... using  = 	6 drives you could expect to sustain 960 I/O per second fromi 	a single 6 member 0+1.   B 	10,000 per second *may* be with multiple nodes and all cache hitsA 	to a single 0+1 (but then , would it be random I/O?  Is the data G 	small enough to be cached locally?)  OR adding up about 10 - 6 member  E 	0+1.  Do you have  that patch Keith put in place so monitor reveals t$ 	greater than 4 decimal places?  ;-)   				Robo   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:37:50 +01004% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>h- Subject: Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80c8 Message-ID: <4flimtg8jadb6j080689tpld31b9e4ompj@4ax.com>  C On 2 Aug 2001 09:01:01 -0500, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s wrote:     >	Alan,s >e2 >	Random I/O for your entire cluster for all sets?F >	I think this chart is a bit optimistic (if I recall, I do think the  >	sustained numbers are lower).s  E Typically daytime access is pretty much regular access to a subset ofiD data plus more or less random access all over the volumes. OvernightF jobs tend to read the lot. However some overnight jobs work on a daily@ subset and once that data has been cached, the report phase justC screams along. I see CPU busy at around 180% on both nodes of  dualtB processor ES40 cluster (but only for relatively short report phaseD bursts). We have DBMS buffers (around 400MB for standalone overnight3 jobs), VMS cache (200MB) and HSZ80 cache of 256MB. a  ? Our main application is CA ManMan and a factory just next to usoB (another US multinational ManMan user) upgraded from VAX to a dualB ES40 cluster at roughly the same time we did but they went for theF just released HSG80s (you look everywhere for remaining VMS sites then? find two in the same street :). In comparison tests we achieved9A slightly faster IO rates for the daily workload but some of theireC overnight jobs ran faster. There were posts in c.o.v. from the time$@ from one or two others noticing that in some cases the HSG80 wasB outperformed by the HSZ80. But again this may have been fixed withE later firmware. Our own ManMan guru was actually poached by them justeB a few months before he was due to retire to implement a lot of the@ ManMan tricks we use. So he ended up with one additional year of/ contract employment for silly amounts of money.a   >sK >http://www.compaq.com/products/servers/proliantstorage/uhd/ultra3-15k.htmli > < >	But let's go with the 160 IOPS for the 15K drive... using > >	6 drives you could expect to sustain 960 I/O per second from >	a single 6 member 0+1. > C >	10,000 per second *may* be with multiple nodes and all cache hits B >	to a single 0+1 (but then , would it be random I/O?  Is the data  ? It;s random I/O to populate the caches then a report phase runs0 against the cache data.   ? 	small enough to be cached locally?)  OR adding up about 10 - 6  member  F >	0+1.  Do you have  that patch Keith put in place so monitor reveals % >	greater than 4 decimal places?  ;-)   F Nope. we see the buffer overflow. However you should see the output ofF "$ dbo/sho stat" for a real laugh During certain phases every field itB displays is full of asterisks. Oracle have never updated the fieldA sizes for values typical of today's hardware reading cached data.   F As we'd previously had dual MTI Stringray II controllers feeding a VAXE 7620 there was never any doubt that a dual HSZ80 config would be morey than enough.   >				Rob   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:35:05 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s- Subject: Re: Performance of HSZ50/HSZ70/HSG80e, Message-ID: <3B698F47.8F06B196@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:uE > And Compaq will wonder why Storageworks sales plummet over the next A > few months while PCs continue to lose big money. Then, oh dear,t@ > they've got no more ex-DEC left to subsidize the sinking ship.    M Remember that Compaq had its own proprietary disk storage subsystems prior ton the Digital acquisition.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 11:14:17 -0500nC From: "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com>r Subject: Re: Perl DBI for VMS I Message-ID: <craig.berry-F01D99.11141702082001@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>r  5 In article <u7Q77.7366$ar1.24017@www.newsranger.com>,o4  Piyush Avichal<pa@it.singer-friedlander.com> wrote:  K > I am in the process of installing DBI(1.19) on my VAX system. I have juste1 > installed a prebuilt version of Perl(5.004_01)    B That's pretty old; there is a prebuilt binary of 5.005_03 for VAX  available here:f  , <http://www.sidhe.org/vmsperl/prebuilt.html>  H Oops, I just noticed that doesn't have socket support.  If you have a C 3 compiler you should really build 5.6.1 from source.r  # > and have begun to install the DBIhJ > module when I get thes following error message when I try to 'make' the 
 > module : [snip] >  > BART(SYSTEM)$ mmkdI > %MMK-F-CANTUPD, cannot update target [.BLIB.ARCH.AUTO.DBI]DRIVER.XST - s	 > sourcese	 > unknown   G There is something bizarre about the DBI build -- I think it's because  G Unix make utilities make the "all" target first regardless of order in  @ the file whereas MMK and MMS go strictly by order (and explicit = dependencies of course).  You can generally get DBI to build a successfully by doing:  	 $ mmk allm
 $ mmk test  F You can subscribe to the vmsperl mailing list by sending a message to  vmsperl-subscribe@perl.org.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:17:06 +0100r- From: Carl Hampson <champson@notrash.csc.com>uE Subject: Re: Printer settings was - Re: Print Queue's on IP Addresses . Message-ID: <3B6936B2.A1A1CED@notrash.csc.com>   Tim Ellis wrote: > N > In article <YClS4rwr337m@eisner.encompasserve.org>, John E. Malmberg says... > >>? > >> Anyone know how to get our <TAB>'s back in this situation?S   <SNIP>  P > If the Printer driver can manage to unload the fan-fold paper and feed it backP > in to line the pages up straight for 2 sided printing then it's doing a betterF > job than most of the people who load it for single-sided printing ;) > > What sort of printer is it? (I missed the start of the thread)   -- Carl  ; I don't speak for my employer, and they don't speak for me.4   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 10:44:21 -0400r* From: Sylvain Plante <splante@nrcan.gc.ca>& Subject: Problems with NOC version 2.0+ Message-ID: <3B696745.BA363F77@nrcan.gc.ca>c  
 Hi everybody,r  : Is anyone using Networker OpenVMS Client (NOC) version 2.0 and having the same problem ?,  9 When I'm starting a backup I'm getting ths error message:e  + nsr$save: RPC error, Can't encode arguments-= nsr$save: nsr$save of THETRO$DKA0:[000000] to gaiafast failedr  ? Of course you ar not getting the "THETRO$DKA0:[000000] as it isM part of my own system.  6 If anyone could help me I would appreciate. Thank you.   Sylvain Plante" Center for topographic information Canada splante@nrcan.gc.cao   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:17:26 +02007 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com> " Subject: RE: Quorum Disk Questions> Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6541@CUCEXEC>  J This soundslike a very like a cluster that is placed in two computerrooms.B The risk there is that the datalink between the two rooms is lost.  B If this the case make the choice which room is most important one.6 And place in there the quorum disk or the fifth node.   I If you choice to place a fifth node, use that one for the systemmanagment  tasks I like backup, SAN managment, remote login, console loginserver, monitoringu essential tasks.  I I have worked at site where there were two computerrooms and a cluster of 
 four servers  K and there was a fifth member that was a simple workstation. The workstation; had his own non shadowed disks TI and tapeunit. While the four servers worked with hostbased shadowed disksn and local tapeunits.  D If anyone wants more details about this sollution email me privatly.   Jeroen o  4 ****************************************************$ Getronics System Integration BV					 Business Continuityn  + Botter 15-90 			Telefoon  :	+31 320 266 314f  & Postbus 2228 			Fax 	:	+31 320 266 219  : 8203 AE  LELYSTAD 		E-mail 	:	Jeroen.vanDijk@getronics.com  6 **************** www.getronics.com *******************        -----Original Message-----. From: Rick Dyson [mailto:Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU]  Sent: dinsdag 31 juli 2001 17:04 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 Subject: Quorum Disk Questions    C I am investigating using a Quorum disk in a 4 node OpenVMS cluster.g  E My original idea was to utilize a shadow set disk on a SAN visible toWG all 4 nodes as a Quorum disk and even put some system environment filesbF on it.  However, I just read that a Quorum disk can't be a member of a shadow set!   G Is this absolute?  What options would I have to to easily safeguard the:F data on such a disk?  We have all of our disks shadowed and our SAN isI actually two separate boxes with the shadow pairs split across the boxes.i   Thanks!a Rick --  H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _  _____                    http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | ||_   _|  Senior Systems Analyst  --  INFORMM-Cerner Systems Group< | | | |  | |    The University of Iowa Hospitals and ClinicsH | \_/ | _| |_   Information Systems BT1000 GH       Office: 319/384-7016H  \___/ |_____|  Iowa City, IA 52242-1052               FAX: 319/384-7020   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:34:23 -0400 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>s" Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Questions2 Message-ID: <20dpO7mhny1irWfoaTyiHu5Z3TFm@4ax.com>  =     At my previous employer, we had a two site Alpha cluster,:> each with two nodes, connected via FDDI and all storage either; RAID-1 or RAID-5 within HSZ controllers and shadowed acrossm? the fibre connection.  We solved the quorum problem by adding av= third site with one node; it was known as the voting node andr@ all it did was vote.  It's votes were 3, all other nodes were 1,= thus quorum was achived via either all four transaction nodeso; or via one transaction node and the quorum node.  Even withm9 the FDDI problems we experienced, it worked like a charm.u   David R. Beattyn  5 On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:17:26 +0200, "Dijk, Jeroen van"h% <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com> wrote:t  K >This soundslike a very like a cluster that is placed in two computerrooms.oC >The risk there is that the datalink between the two rooms is lost.: >-C >If this the case make the choice which room is most important one.o7 >And place in there the quorum disk or the fifth node. E >EJ >If you choice to place a fifth node, use that one for the systemmanagment >tasks "J >like backup, SAN managment, remote login, console loginserver, monitoring >essential tasks.u >rJ >I have worked at site where there were two computerrooms and a cluster of >four servers L >and there was a fifth member that was a simple workstation. The workstation  >had his own non shadowed disks J >and tapeunit. While the four servers worked with hostbased shadowed disks >and local tapeunits.C > E >If anyone wants more details about this sollution email me privatly.  >  >Jeroen  > 5 >**************************************************** % >Getronics System Integration BV					V >Business Continuity > , >Botter 15-90 			Telefoon  :	+31 320 266 314 >a' >Postbus 2228 			Fax 	:	+31 320 266 219  > ; >8203 AE  LELYSTAD 		E-mail 	:	Jeroen.vanDijk@getronics.com  > 7 >**************** www.getronics.com *******************  >  >  >  >-----Original Message----- / >From: Rick Dyson [mailto:Rick-Dyson@UIowa.EDU] ! >Sent: dinsdag 31 juli 2001 17:04  >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >Subject: Quorum Disk Questions  >  > D >I am investigating using a Quorum disk in a 4 node OpenVMS cluster. >eF >My original idea was to utilize a shadow set disk on a SAN visible toH >all 4 nodes as a Quorum disk and even put some system environment filesG >on it.  However, I just read that a Quorum disk can't be a member of a0 >shadow set! >GH >Is this absolute?  What options would I have to to easily safeguard theG >data on such a disk?  We have all of our disks shadowed and our SAN isAJ >actually two separate boxes with the shadow pairs split across the boxes. >7 >Thanks! >Rick0   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:40:01 -0300+ From: <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> $ Subject: Reboot to close a file ????L Message-ID: <OFE7D883F2.A3EF036C-ON03256A9C.004A84F3@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  
 Dear Sirs,  F I have the system disk with allocated by a deleted file (SYSDUMP.DMP).D Using ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR is not working to free this file (600 MB).= This problem is similar to the described in the Wizard below.p  2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/wiz_2359.html   The solution is (?????)t    5 "Reboot.  OpenVMS is currently holding the file open,l9   which is expected behaviour with the system dump file."8  H I cant reboot my server  ! Is there a way to do this "without rebooting= "h ????     Regardst   F=E1bio Cardoso=   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:01:02 GMTd1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> ( Subject: Re: Reboot to close a file ????2 Message-ID: <3B696BEE.8A2DDB37@clarityconnect.com>  H There is no way to free up this space until a reboot is done.  VMS keepsH a channel open to this file so that the space will not get reused if theH file is deleted.  If VMS did not do this then you would have a situation? where a system crash would write over the disk blocks that werepB previously a part of SYSDUMP.DMP but are now possibly parts of newF files.  VMS used to have this potential corrupter in VMS V4 days.  TheG only way to release this file space so that it can be used is to reboot-D and then do a ANA/DISK/REP/CONF.  In the future to delete the system0 dump file, rename it, reboot and then delete it.  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >  > Dear Sirs, > H > I have the system disk with allocated by a deleted file (SYSDUMP.DMP).F > Using ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR is not working to free this file (600 MB).? > This problem is similar to the described in the Wizard below.h > 4 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/wiz_2359.html >  > The solution is (?????)n > 7 > "Reboot.  OpenVMS is currently holding the file open, ; >   which is expected behaviour with the system dump file."c > J > I cant reboot my server  ! Is there a way to do this "without rebooting" > ???? > 	 > Regardse >  > Fbio Cardosoo   -- yD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------    Date: 02 Aug 2001 17:01:58 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>o( Subject: Re: Reboot to close a file ????H Message-ID: <y44rrq7bfd.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  J No way in hell. The space occupied by this file is written when the systemI crashes by the bugcheck code, and that code takes no prisoners. THus, theeK usual way to reclaim it is to rename the file, reboot (which will result in N it not being used for the original purpose because it now has the wrong name),# and then delete it at your leisure.   I Be thankful that since V5 or so VMS takes out a lock on these files early I during the boot processes to stop you from shooting yourself in the foot.>   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 16:24:56 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>n( Subject: Re: Reboot to close a file ????8 Message-ID: <ctrimt0g8u7a8agurmjrtkhlmcjnpl9ctt@4ax.com>  " On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:40:01 -0300,, <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote:   >Dear Sirs,0 >/G >I have the system disk with allocated by a deleted file (SYSDUMP.DMP). E >Using ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR is not working to free this file (600 MB).t> >This problem is similar to the described in the Wizard below.   Stop, Stop, stop right now!!!!  E Why are you attempting to delete the system dump file? This is mapped C by low level routines for use if the system crashes. That's why VMSi@ won't free the space. If you do manage to free the space and the@ system crashes the dump file will get written over the blocks it> previously took up - trashing your file system in the process.  3 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/wiz_2359.htmlc >y >The solution is (?????) >  >b6 >"Reboot.  OpenVMS is currently holding the file open,: >  which is expected behaviour with the system dump file." >	I >I cant reboot my server  ! Is there a way to do this "without rebooting"   0 Then why did you delete the system dump file?!!!  @ You have to reboot. I wouldn't even think of fiddling to try and bypass the checks.   >????o >  >n >Regards >9 >Fbio Cardoso   -- Alan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:20:59 -0300+ From: <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>c( Subject: Re: Reboot to close a file ????L Message-ID: <OFA8511393.E27A60A9-ON03256A9C.005EBC89@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Sorry !     H I didnt explain right:  I renamed the SYSDUMP.DMP to SYSDUMP.DMP3 after=  a forced crashH for analysis purposes and created a new SYSDUMP.DMP using the MC SYSGEN=   CREATE" SYSDUMP.DMP /SIZE=3Dsize /NOCONTIG  H The problematic file is SYSDUMP.DMP3. I deleted after the completion of=  the	 analysis.  It still allocating space.     Regardst   FC          H                                                                        =            =20H                     Alan Greig                                         =            =20H                     <a.greig@virg        Para:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com =            =20H                     in.net>              cc:                           =            =20H                                          Assunto:     Re: Reboot to clo= se a file  =20H                     02/08/2001           ????                          =            =20H                     12:24                                              =            =20H                     Responder a                                        =            =20H                     Alan Greig                                         =            =20H                                                                        =            =20H                                                                        =            =20        " On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:40:01 -0300,, <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote:   >Dear Sirs,u >eH >I have the system disk with allocated by a deleted file (SYSDUMP.DMP).=  E >Using ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR is not working to free this file (600 MB). > >This problem is similar to the described in the Wizard below.   Stop, Stop, stop right now!!!!  E Why are you attempting to delete the system dump file? This is mapped C by low level routines for use if the system crashes. That's why VMSe@ won't free the space. If you do manage to free the space and the@ system crashes the dump file will get written over the blocks it> previously took up - trashing your file system in the process.  3 >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/wiz_2359.htmlf >$ >The solution is (?????) >g >u6 >"Reboot.  OpenVMS is currently holding the file open,: >  which is expected behaviour with the system dump file." >sH >I cant reboot my server  ! Is there a way to do this "without rebootin= g"  0 Then why did you delete the system dump file?!!!  @ You have to reboot. I wouldn't even think of fiddling to try and bypass the checks.   >????- >l >  >Regards >- >F=E1bio Cardoso   -- Alan     =u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:48:46 -0400j- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s( Subject: Re: Reboot to close a file ????, Message-ID: <3B69927B.9827AD19@videotron.ca>   "Mark D. Jilson" wrote:m > @ > There is no way to free up this space until a reboot is done.   N *shouldn't* it be possible to use SYSGEN to tell the system it no longer needs& a dump file and close the one it has ?  L DUMPSTYLE seems to be dynamic in nature and does have a flag to make it dumpN to a disk other than the system disk. Perhaps you could create a new dump file9 on another disk and tell SYSGEN to use that one instead ?u   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:13:02 +0200 (CEST)r: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: Simple DCL queryvJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0108020953430.23222-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  & On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 hammond@not wrote: [...] G >+However, in this case I agree that these lines should start with "$".e  +  Will agree before any other comments... ;)v<  Please do not inform me, that this is wrong practice - will# NOT persuade into skipping the "$".   F >+Although DCL will accept commands without leading "$" in some cases,  @ IMHO the "come cases" (when DCL will accept command without "$")  are both the same:o9 - when DCL works interactively, and any user-level imagess@  ends the work, the (in the case) DCL returns to the supervisor/  executive set of routines> - when the previous command was not user-mode (and is evident,9  that the next line *must* be a command: at least as long 9  as no supervisor-mode command where reads SYS$INPUT fromn  procedure exists !)  8  Then - we are roughly obligated :) to write ANY command4 with preceding "$", and the "$" is NOT the prompt as some novice suspect :)  . --------- INTERACTIVE, not in .COM ----------- GS> SET PROMPT $s $ show time	! Missing "$" -;>p    2-AUG-2001 10:09:50A $ $show time	! full line command, will name it "proper syntax" :)0    2-AUG-2001 10:09:53 $ $SHOW USER. ----------------------------------------------  C >+it is entirely possible that future changes (fixes?) would break E >+such code.  ?  May accept the name "changes", but will not name it "fix" ! :]o:  Erm... Ok... Will agree that only if the "fix" will force5 both commandprocedure and interactive "$" usage :) ;>   8  The third .01$: because IMHO the behaviour is NOT a bug5 will expect that better is if will be continued, likeu1 the allowed "unpaired" aphostrofe and quotations.e  8  Even if may not be named "great practice" it is NOT the8 same than some "IF" mismash, where were forund with some? DCL 6.X changes (like the IF X=something THEN) reported here :)p    Regards - Gotfryd   -- oE =====================================================================4F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEe. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================2   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 10:28:20 +0200g* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: SMTP Shutdown !! * Message-ID: <3b690f24$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  K In article <9k9gcl$ie$2@bob.news.rcn.net>, "John McDen" <jj@jj.moc> writes: 2 >How do I identify SMTP process on a VMS machine ?  G Guessing (just what we have to do to answer your very terse question) ?h' An "SMTP" as part of the process name ?c   What do you want to identify ?C If you have one running ? That is easy. TELNET localhost 25 and see<D if a server process responds. Alternatively you could check the openD TCP port numbers (in the TCPIP stack product) and see, which processK has the TCP port 25 allocated (and how to do this depends on the IP stack).k  N >                                                      and How do I shutdown a >SMTP on a VMS machine.?   It depends. H On the TCPIP stack of course. This could be UCX (V1-V4), TCPIP (UCX V5),D TCPware (from www.process.com), Multinet (also from www.process.com)I or the CMUIP freeware (VAX only). You may also have a SMTP server productnK which sits on top of the IP stack but is not part of it (eg. MX, PMDF, ...)o  F MX: $ MCP SHUT SMTP_SERVER [/CLUSTER] and for disabling it permamentlyE $ @SYS$STARTUP:MX_CONFIG or edit MX_DIR:MX_STARTUP_INFO.DAT directly.s  E UCX: $ @SYS$STARTUP:UCX$SMTP_SHUTDOWN (or $ UCX DISABLE SERVICE SMTP)iM and for disabling it permamently (so that the next startup doesn't start it): K $ @SYS$STARTUP:UCX$CONFIG or $ UCX SET CONF ENABLE NOSERVICE SMTP [/COMMON]*  K TCPIP: $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$SMTP_SHUTDOWN (or $ TCPIP DISABLE SERVICE SMTP)1M and for disabling it permamently (so that the next startup doesn't start it): O $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$CONFIG or $ TCPIP SET CONF ENABLE NOSERVICE SMTP [/COMMON]w  A TCPware: $ @TCPWARE:SHUTNET SMTP and for disabling it permamently-E $ @TCPWARE:CNFNET SMTP or edit TCPWARE:TCPWARE_CONFIGURE.COM directlyl  	 and so on    -- o< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888g< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:42:14 +0200m, From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)& Subject: Re: Soft font modules / DCPS?D Message-ID: <aus-0208011542140001@wvia48.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  @ In article <1AUG01.14015867@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> wrote:s ...> kE > The version at Process' site appears to be very old - 1993.  A moreu> > recent version (June 2000) is available via anonymous ftp at, > PSFC.MIT.EDU in the [.LASER] subdirectory. >  > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOViJ > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself  I I'm not sure this would help solve the problem because the hardcoded LN031 fonts are not laser fonts.   -- -B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------   Date: 2 AUG 2001 15:25:43 GMTe+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>3& Subject: Re: Soft font modules / DCPS?1 Message-ID: <2AUG01.15254392@feda01.fed.ornl.gov>w  2 Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> wrote: > Dave Greenwood wrote:  > > G > > The version at Process' site appears to be very old - 1993.  A morer@ > > recent version (June 2000) is available via anonymous ftp at. > > PSFC.MIT.EDU in the [.LASER] subdirectory. >  rC >   Cool, thanks.  I think I originally got mine at PRC.MIT.EDU butf# > it doesn't seem to exist anymore.a  E You most likely got it from PFC.MIT.EDU.  That's "P" as in Plasma andrE "F" as in Fusion.  A few years ago, as a result of some particular US0C governmental jerkiness, it was mandated that the US would no longer>C work on "fusion energy" but would work on "plasma science" instead.tB So MIT changed the name to Plasma Science & Fusion Center (PSFC) -+ hence the change in the name of the server.a    Back to a more on-topic message:- aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus) wrote:sK > I'm not sure this would help solve the problem because the hardcoded LN03e > fonts are not laser fonts.  I I don't know if it'll solve the problem or not.  I was just passing alongi$ the location of the current version.  A Dave (who works with the folks doing plasma science in the Fusionu Energy Division of ORNL) --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVnH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:08:15 +0200e  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>J Subject: Re: SUN 'super'computer [was Alpha: an invitation to communicate]+ Message-ID: <VA.0000040f.064dd7df@sture.ch>	  7 In article <00256A9C.005252AC.00@quegw01.btyp>,  wrote::N > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza >  > G > This is the story - can't say it seems much of a supercomputer to me;n > G It's spin. A combination of govt. minister and cash strapped university:E trying to recover from its recent slip in the academic league tables.   = (Durham is where I did my degree, so I did a bit of wanderingn around their website...).t  : > Supercomputer to start solving mysteries of the universe > Q > A supercomputer capable of 10 billion calculations a second is to be officiallyu > switched on later today. > Q > The 1.4 million Cosmology Machine may help scientists unravel the mysteries ofe > the universe.o > M > It is being unveiled at Durham University's physics department by Trade ande% > Industry Secretary Patricia Hewitt.  > Q > The computer will be used to make extremely complex calculations within secondss  > to test theories about how the > universe was created.- > L > It will be the country's largest in academic use and will be in the top 10 > biggest in the UK. > R > A spokesman for the university said it has enough memory to be able to store all" >  10 million books in the British) > Library and still have space left over.a > Q > He added: "The Cosmology Machine takes data from billions of observations aboutt  > the behaviour of stars, gases,J > galaxies and the mysterious dark matter throughout the universe and then$ > calculates at ultra-high speed how1 > galaxies and solar systems formed and evolved."y > O > The new computer was manufactured by Sun Microsystems and installed in Durham ! > following a 652,000 grant fromrQ > the Joint Research Equipment Initiative which was backed by the DTI's Office of  > Science and Technology.- > O > It is to be used by the Institute for Computational Cosmology, whose directorn > Professor Carlos Frenk said:R > "The new machine will allow us to recreate the entire evolution of the universe, >  from its hot Big Bang > beginning to the present." > Q > The Cosmology Machine forms the UK base of the Virgo consortium - a group of 30e > researchers from Germany,dQ > Canada, the USA and this country whose long-term aims are to understand how thei > universe was created and& > how it evolved to its present state. > 	 > Steve Sf >  >  >  >  > C > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 08/02/2001 01:37:57 AM  > " > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)PN > From:      JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>, 2 August 2001, 1:37 a.m. > * > Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate >  >  >  >  > jlsue wrote:J > > Well, you can hardly blame anyone for overlooking Fujitsu.  I mean, if> > > they did mention them, the customers would just say "who?" > P > It doesn't matter since Compaq nevert really defended Alpha's "world's fastestM > chip" status. Just yesterday I heard a Yahoo report on real video about how P > the british were to build the world's fastest computer to calculate the originH > of the universe or something to that order and that it was going to be > supplied by Sun. >s   ___u
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:59:05 +0000C  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comJ Subject: SUN 'super'computer [was Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate]/ Message-ID: <00256A9C.005252AC.00@quegw01.btyp>c  > --0__=oYPREX7aYRDAX1wNH5UtZzvjhCSZhcqCTpQAJmyjHLMNsBBSbETXCacX, Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline.! Content-transfer-encoding: base64R    L Q29udGFjdDogICBUZWw6IDMwNjMgIC0gIElTIC0gSW5mcmFzdHJ1Y3R1cmUsIDFzdCBGbG9vciwgL QnJpZGdlIFN0cmVldCBQbGF6YQ0KDQoNClRoaXMgaXMgdGhlIHN0b3J5IC0gY2FuJ3Qgc2F5IGl0L IHNlZW1zIG11Y2ggb2YgYSBzdXBlcmNvbXB1dGVyIHRvIG1lOw0KDQpTdXBlcmNvbXB1dGVyIHRvL IHN0YXJ0IHNvbHZpbmcgbXlzdGVyaWVzIG9mIHRoZSB1bml2ZXJzZQ0KDQpBIHN1cGVyY29tcHV0L ZXIgY2FwYWJsZSBvZiAxMCBiaWxsaW9uIGNhbGN1bGF0aW9ucyBhIHNlY29uZCBpcyB0byBiZSBvL ZmZpY2lhbGx5DQpzd2l0Y2hlZCBvbiBsYXRlciB0b2RheS4NCg0KVGhlIKMxLjQgbWlsbGlvbiBDL b3Ntb2xvZ3kgTWFjaGluZSBtYXkgaGVscCBzY2llbnRpc3RzIHVucmF2ZWwgdGhlIG15c3RlcmllL cyBvZg0KdGhlIHVuaXZlcnNlLg0KDQpJdCBpcyBiZWluZyB1bnZlaWxlZCBhdCBEdXJoYW0gVW5pL dmVyc2l0eSdzIHBoeXNpY3MgZGVwYXJ0bWVudCBieSBUcmFkZSBhbmQNCkluZHVzdHJ5IFNlY3JlL dGFyeSBQYXRyaWNpYSBIZXdpdHQuDQoNClRoZSBjb21wdXRlciB3aWxsIGJlIHVzZWQgdG8gbWFrL ZSBleHRyZW1lbHkgY29tcGxleCBjYWxjdWxhdGlvbnMgd2l0aGluIHNlY29uZHMNCnRvIHRlc3QgL dGhlb3JpZXMgYWJvdXQgaG93IHRoZQ0KdW5pdmVyc2Ugd2FzIGNyZWF0ZWQuDQoNCkl0IHdpbGwgL YmUgdGhlIGNvdW50cnkncyBsYXJnZXN0IGluIGFjYWRlbWljIHVzZSBhbmQgd2lsbCBiZSBpbiB0L aGUgdG9wIDEwDQpiaWdnZXN0IGluIHRoZSBVSy4NCg0KQSBzcG9rZXNtYW4gZm9yIHRoZSB1bml2L ZXJzaXR5IHNhaWQgaXQgaGFzIGVub3VnaCBtZW1vcnkgdG8gYmUgYWJsZSB0byBzdG9yZSBhbGwNL CiAxMCBtaWxsaW9uIGJvb2tzIGluIHRoZSBCcml0aXNoDQpMaWJyYXJ5IGFuZCBzdGlsbCBoYXZlL IHNwYWNlIGxlZnQgb3Zlci4NCg0KSGUgYWRkZWQ6ICJUaGUgQ29zbW9sb2d5IE1hY2hpbmUgdGFrL ZXMgZGF0YSBmcm9tIGJpbGxpb25zIG9mIG9ic2VydmF0aW9ucyBhYm91dA0KdGhlIGJlaGF2aW91L ciBvZiBzdGFycywgZ2FzZXMsDQpnYWxheGllcyBhbmQgdGhlIG15c3RlcmlvdXMgZGFyayBtYXR0L ZXIgdGhyb3VnaG91dCB0aGUgdW5pdmVyc2UgYW5kIHRoZW4NCmNhbGN1bGF0ZXMgYXQgdWx0cmEtL aGlnaCBzcGVlZCBob3cNCmdhbGF4aWVzIGFuZCBzb2xhciBzeXN0ZW1zIGZvcm1lZCBhbmQgZXZvL bHZlZC4iDQoNClRoZSBuZXcgY29tcHV0ZXIgd2FzIG1hbnVmYWN0dXJlZCBieSBTdW4gTWljcm9zL eXN0ZW1zIGFuZCBpbnN0YWxsZWQgaW4gRHVyaGFtDQpmb2xsb3dpbmcgYSCjNjUyLDAwMCBncmFuL dCBmcm9tDQp0aGUgSm9pbnQgUmVzZWFyY2ggRXF1aXBtZW50IEluaXRpYXRpdmUgd2hpY2ggd2FzL IGJhY2tlZCBieSB0aGUgRFRJJ3MgT2ZmaWNlIG9mDQpTY2llbmNlIGFuZCBUZWNobm9sb2d5Lg0KL DQpJdCBpcyB0byBiZSB1c2VkIGJ5IHRoZSBJbnN0aXR1dGUgZm9yIENvbXB1dGF0aW9uYWwgQ29zL bW9sb2d5LCB3aG9zZSBkaXJlY3Rvcg0KUHJvZmVzc29yIENhcmxvcyBGcmVuayBzYWlkOg0KIlRoL ZSBuZXcgbWFjaGluZSB3aWxsIGFsbG93IHVzIHRvIHJlY3JlYXRlIHRoZSBlbnRpcmUgZXZvbHV0L aW9uIG9mIHRoZSB1bml2ZXJzZSwNCiBmcm9tIGl0cyBob3QgQmlnIEJhbmcNCmJlZ2lubmluZyB0L byB0aGUgcHJlc2VudC4iDQoNClRoZSBDb3Ntb2xvZ3kgTWFjaGluZSBmb3JtcyB0aGUgVUsgYmFzL ZSBvZiB0aGUgVmlyZ28gY29uc29ydGl1bSAtIGEgZ3JvdXAgb2YgMzANCnJlc2VhcmNoZXJzIGZyL b20gR2VybWFueSwNCkNhbmFkYSwgdGhlIFVTQSBhbmQgdGhpcyBjb3VudHJ5IHdob3NlIGxvbmctL dGVybSBhaW1zIGFyZSB0byB1bmRlcnN0YW5kIGhvdyB0aGUNCnVuaXZlcnNlIHdhcyBjcmVhdGVkL IGFuZA0KaG93IGl0IGV2b2x2ZWQgdG8gaXRzIHByZXNlbnQgc3RhdGUuDQoNClN0ZXZlIFMNCg0KL DQoNCg0KDQpKRiBNZXplaSA8amZtZXplaS5zcGFtbm90QHZpZGVvdHJvbi5jYT4gb24gMDgvMDIvL MjAwMSAwMTozNzo1NyBBTQ0KDQpUbzogICAgICAgIEluZm8tVkFYQE12Yi5TYWljLkNvbQ0KY2M6L ICAgICAgICAgKGJjYzogU3RldmUgU3BpcmVzL1llbGxvd1BhZ2VzKQ0KRnJvbTogICAgICBKRiBNL ZXplaSA8amZtZXplaS5zcGFtbm90QHZpZGVvdHJvbi5jYT4sIDIgQXVndXN0IDIwMDEsIDE6MzcgH YS5tLg0KDQpSZTogQWxwaGE6ICBhbiBpbnZpdGF0aW9uIHRvIGNvbW11bmljYXRlDQoNCg0K  > --0__=oYPREX7aYRDAX1wNH5UtZzvjhCSZhcqCTpQAJmyjHLMNsBBSbETXCacX* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline      jlsue wrote:H > Well, you can hardly blame anyone for overlooking Fujitsu.  I mean, if< > they did mention them, the customers would just say "who?"  N It doesn't matter since Compaq nevert really defended Alpha's "world's fastestK chip" status. Just yesterday I heard a Yahoo report on real video about how N the british were to build the world's fastest computer to calculate the originF of the universe or something to that order and that it was going to be supplied by Sun.    @ --0__=oYPREX7aYRDAX1wNH5UtZzvjhCSZhcqCTpQAJmyjHLMNsBBSbETXCacX--   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:41:37 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>6N Subject: Re: SUN 'super'computer [was Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate]2 Message-ID: <iqfa7.546$Yx2.10134@news.cpqcorp.net>  K A 1.4 Million pound machine is one of the 10 largest in the UK?  And it's a ! Sun?  Hope the universe is small.M  + Steve.Spires@yellgroup.com wrote in messager& <00256A9C.005252AC.00@quegw01.btyp>...L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    E This is the story - can't say it seems much of a supercomputer to me;i  8 Supercomputer to start solving mysteries of the universe  D A supercomputer capable of 10 billion calculations a second is to be
 officially switched on later today.  L The 1.4 million Cosmology Machine may help scientists unravel the mysteries of
 the universe.d  K It is being unveiled at Durham University's physics department by Trade andf# Industry Secretary Patricia Hewitt..  G The computer will be used to make extremely complex calculations within- seconds- to test theories about how the universe was created.0  J It will be the country's largest in academic use and will be in the top 10 biggest in the UK.  L A spokesman for the university said it has enough memory to be able to store alls 10 million books in the Britishi' Library and still have space left over.   I He added: "The Cosmology Machine takes data from billions of observations  abouth the behaviour of stars, gases,H galaxies and the mysterious dark matter throughout the universe and then" calculates at ultra-high speed how/ galaxies and solar systems formed and evolved."   F The new computer was manufactured by Sun Microsystems and installed in Durham following a 652,000 grant from0L the Joint Research Equipment Initiative which was backed by the DTI's Office of Science and Technology.g  D It is to be used by the Institute for Computational Cosmology, whose director Professor Carlos Frenk said:F "The new machine will allow us to recreate the entire evolution of the	 universe,  from its hot Big Bango beginning to the present."  L The Cosmology Machine forms the UK base of the Virgo consortium - a group of 30 researchers from Germany,wK Canada, the USA and this country whose long-term aims are to understand hows thee universe was created and$ how it evolved to its present state.   Steve Sr          A JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 08/02/2001 01:37:57 AMe    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) L From:      JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>, 2 August 2001, 1:37 a.m.  ( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:01:51 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> N Subject: Re: SUN 'super'computer [was Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate]+ Message-ID: <3B69958B.4264DC4@videotron.ca>-   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > M > A 1.4 Million pound machine is one of the 10 largest in the UK?  And it's ad# > Sun?  Hope the universe is small.   M Lets say the 9 bigger machines in teh UK are all VMS on Alpha for the sake of-N argument. One would expect the owning company to issue a press release statingL that VMS runs the 9 biggest machines in the UK to defuse the news story fromM Sun. But of course, we know that Compaq has never defended Digital's products : in the marketplace. (neither did Digital for that matter).  M Allowing anyone and everyone to make claims that they are the fastest/biggest,L in the world is a sufe fire way to ensure that your architecture which is in/ fact the fastest, gets forgotten into oblivion.a  L The fact that Sun makes attempts at portraying itself as the biggest/fastestL is an indication that they want to win, even with inferior stuff (after all,N if Microsoft and wintel box makers such as Compaq  can dominate the world withI crappy stuff, why shouldn't Sun get its share of glory with stuff that ise better than the wintel crap ?s  N This announcement is just another reminder of how Compaq does not WANT to make its VMS technology succeed.-  K Compaq has no problems making announcements about its Proliant line though.AJ The other day, I stumbled on an announcement where Compaq claimed that its. Proliants with NT outperformed UNIX solutions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:26:34 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>+ Subject: Re: Sun goes after Alpha user base * Message-ID: <3B6938EA.3B89CA13@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote: > 5 > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 14:45:31 +0100, andrew harrisonN# > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  >  > >>L > >> How about this one - checkout the original SPARC III announcement date:O > >> http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/9710/sunflash.971006.1.html (October 
 > >> 6, 1997) O > >> "The UltraSPARC-III microprocessor is expected to sample during the summerH
 > >> of 1998"n > >>Q > >> Now, tell us again how the SPARC III will be based on latest technologies ..  > >> > >,: > >How ironic Kerry that you of all people should bring up9 > >roadmaps and the timely delivery of technology covered) > >in the roadmaps.  > >s2 > >Don't you have any shame, you work for Compaq ? > >n > G > Nice answer Andy.  What's wrong, can't come up with a real one so youn& > just cast dispersions the other way? > H > You constantly hold Compaq to the fire for missing deadlines and beingG > "truthful" (whatever that means in your mind) in their announcements.lA > But somehow you don't expect Sun to counteract the lies in this D > announcement.  What I found really interesting is that the Jan 28,H > 2000 announcement is almost a re-hash of the same article (some of the > same wording appears).  See: > K > http://www.sun.com/microelectronics/newsreleases/newsreleases.012800.htmlC  ; Shame on you as well, you also apparently work for Compaq. C9 Repeat after me, all Compaqs processor roadmaps are lies n 5 times.  7 Incedentally your memory is also pretty short, you haver2 forgotten the current situation and you have also 5 forgotten the whole sorry story of WildFire, 2 years n8 later than origionally trolled and slower than expected.  < You also forgot the EV processor delays. Remember it wasn't < me who brought up people not delivering on their technology 6 promises it was Kerry, but since both you and he seem 3 stupid enough to do so its only fair to remind you s2 that Compaq leads the pack in non deliver and has 4 done for some time before the current Alpha debacle.  9 So quite why people are so suprised about Compaq dumping o+ Alpha is beyond me, its par for the course.o   Regards  Andrew Harrisont Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 03:05:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>]# Subject: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory]-, Message-ID: <3B68FBC1.9F3FBFEB@videotron.ca>  J I beleive that Unix has a construct which uses the tilde ~ to point to theK login directory so that something such as ~/some/directory/myfile.txt woulde3 work no matter what the currect directory would be.-  - Shouldn't VMS have some way to do the same ? @  ? I realise that one can define a rooted logical that would allowUM MY$LOGIN:[some.directory] but it would be nice if it were to become something: that is standard./   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:26:33 +0010l% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au ' Subject: Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory]s5 Message-ID: <01K6O4DC66HU003FM9@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>m   JF,   K >I beleive that Unix has a construct which uses the tilde ~ to point to theUL >login directory so that something such as ~/some/directory/myfile.txt would4 >work no matter what the currect directory would be. >a. >Shouldn't VMS have some way to do the same ?  >.@ >I realise that one can define a rooted logical that would allowN >MY$LOGIN:[some.directory] but it would be nice if it were to become something >that is standard.  O I must have assuredly misunderstood you, because SYS$LOGIN seems simple enough T to meet your requirement.    Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:26:14 -0500t9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)M' Subject: Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] 3 Message-ID: <d6lcOih6Srkc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <01K6O4DC66HU003FM9@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:  > JF,  > L >>I beleive that Unix has a construct which uses the tilde ~ to point to theM >>login directory so that something such as ~/some/directory/myfile.txt wouldo5 >>work no matter what the currect directory would be.g >>/ >>Shouldn't VMS have some way to do the same ?   >>A >>I realise that one can define a rooted logical that would allow1O >>MY$LOGIN:[some.directory] but it would be nice if it were to become somethingr >>that is standard.a > Q > I must have assuredly misunderstood you, because SYS$LOGIN seems simple enough A > to meet your requirement.   1 The suggestion you quote wanted a rooted logical.u  2 	SYS$LOGIN translates to DISK$USER_568:[KILGALLEN]= 	SYS$LOGIN_ROOT might translate to DISK$USER_568:[KILGALLEN.]    allowing constructs like:o  < 	$ DIRECTORY SYS$LOGIN_ROOT:[SUB1.SUB2.SUB3.SUB4]FOO.BAR;236  - The login.com mechanism can have a line like:l  6 	$ SYS$LOGIN_ROOT = F$TRNLNM("SYS$LOGIN") - "]" + ".]") 	$ DEFINE SYS$LOGIN_ROOT 'SYS$LOGIN_ROOT'   > with various enhancements possible to add support for <> login5 directories, concealed logical name translation, etc.c  @ Since the existence of subdirectories in SYS$LOGIN is not at allE standardized, I see no reason to make the rooted definition standard.e   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 10:11:46 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)c' Subject: Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory]t3 Message-ID: <yXzeDKk9YZQp@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  \ In article <3B68FBC1.9F3FBFEB@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:L > I beleive that Unix has a construct which uses the tilde ~ to point to theM > login directory so that something such as ~/some/directory/myfile.txt wouldl5 > work no matter what the currect directory would be.i > / > Shouldn't VMS have some way to do the same ? d > A > I realise that one can define a rooted logical that would allowtO > MY$LOGIN:[some.directory] but it would be nice if it were to become somethingo > that is standard.n  A Why?  It's not standard on UNIX.  (Try it on Sun's Bourne shell).s  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationa= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupaE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:23:06 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w' Subject: Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory]t, Message-ID: <3B698C79.A7D4FFFD@videotron.ca>  & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:P > I must have assuredly misunderstood you, because SYS$LOGIN seems simple enough > to meet your requirement.a     No. Lets say the following:o  ) $CD $DISK4:[CHOCOLATE.FACTORY.PRODUCTION] - $COPY SYS$LOGIN:[CHOCOLATE.TEST]SUGAR.DATA []   K this won't work. I would have to first translate SYS$LOGIN and then add them0 CHOCOLATE.TEST] and then issue the copy command.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:35:19 -0700P% From: GreyCloud <wholland@tscnet.com>s Subject: VAX CO Message-ID: <86C29E8BBC24ED0B.60C1A3F3EF2F2B75.55D3500FA7C3B659@lp.airnews.net>   > Does anyone know if there are any online VAX C documentation??H I have looked at Compaqs' site, but no luck.  Did a google search and no luck.w= I may have the software installed wrong or a missing logical.r   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 11:13:15 -0500e3 From: malmberg@encompasserve.org (John E. Malmberg)  Subject: Re: VAX C3 Message-ID: <bpEC8pa$Evmh@eisner.encompasserve.org>   O In article <86C29E8BBC24ED0B.60C1A3F3EF2F2B75.55D3500FA7C3B659@lp.airnews.net>, + GreyCloud <wholland@tscnet.company> writes:t  @ > Does anyone know if there are any online VAX C documentation??< > I have looked at Compaqs' site, but no luck.  Did a google > search and no luck. ? > I may have the software installed wrong or a missing logical.0  A VAX C is an ancient product and has long since been superceded byA" Compaq C, formerly known as DEC C.  6 The documentation for COMPAQ C is available online at:  ) HTTP://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/2  = The use of COMPAQ C instead of VAX C is strongly recommended.G7 It has both better code generation and error detection.l   -JohnC wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Onlyz   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:44:54 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>1+ Subject: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)u; Message-ID: <Zr8a7.52742$uH4.3382573@news20.bellglobal.com>z   Folks,   *** Warning, Don't do this ***  J I hope everyone is using an up-to-date virus checker. Because if you go to  this URL at the Compaq web site:0 http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/acu/index.htmlK and try to download the "windows based" Alpha configuration tool dated JulyHH 18, you'll find that its infected with "Win32.SirCam.137216" worm. SinceJ Compaq appears to be the ultimate PeeCee Weenies lately I assumed that allC their internal machines would be using a "subscription based" virusyH protection. Fortunately my copy of InoculateIT (from CA) was up to date.  L I sent Compaq a note today (2001.08.02) but hopefully other Compaq employees- in this group can get to the web master ASAP.g  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,G Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/X   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:44:09 +00106% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auX/ Subject: Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)h5 Message-ID: <01K6O4Z5OEUQ003FGL@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>W   Neil Rieck wrote:5   >Folks,g >y >*** Warning, Don't do this ***g >pK >I hope everyone is using an up-to-date virus checker. Because if you go to4! >this URL at the Compaq web site:l1 >http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/acu/index.html2L >and try to download the "windows based" Alpha configuration tool dated JulyI >18, you'll find that its infected with "Win32.SirCam.137216" worm. SincegK >Compaq appears to be the ultimate PeeCee Weenies lately I assumed that alllD >their internal machines would be using a "subscription based" virusI >protection. Fortunately my copy of InoculateIT (from CA) was up to date.3 >gM >I sent Compaq a note today (2001.08.02) but hopefully other Compaq employees3. >in this group can get to the web master ASAP.  N Well isn't this what Compaq (Conpaq -- A. Grieg) sees as its future?  It is a 
 PC-weenie.  O I have the best virus alert system in the world -- my mail is DECwindows VMS.  u4 (The OPEN is so silent it is replaced by CHAR(0) :-)   Regards, Paddy   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 07:17:38 -0500W9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)m/ Subject: Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)X3 Message-ID: <XeOWucj4GeNX@eisner.encompasserve.org>X  g In article <Zr8a7.52742$uH4.3382573@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:t > Folks, >   > *** Warning, Don't do this ***   Well, some of us don't:1  & 	Use PC tools in conjunction with VMS.  ! 	Copy software over the Internet.s  E But thank you for the warning.  It gives justification for the above.u   Regards, Larry Kilgallen   L > I hope everyone is using an up-to-date virus checker. Because if you go to" > this URL at the Compaq web site:2 > http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/acu/index.htmlM > and try to download the "windows based" Alpha configuration tool dated JulyiJ > 18, you'll find that its infected with "Win32.SirCam.137216" worm. SinceL > Compaq appears to be the ultimate PeeCee Weenies lately I assumed that allE > their internal machines would be using a "subscription based" virus J > protection. Fortunately my copy of InoculateIT (from CA) was up to date. > N > I sent Compaq a note today (2001.08.02) but hopefully other Compaq employees/ > in this group can get to the web master ASAP.E >  > Neil Rieck > Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  > Ontario, Canada.# > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/k >  >  >  -- oN ==============================================================================N Great Inventors of our time: Al Gore -> Internet; Sun Microsystems -> ClustersN ==============================================================================   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:10:23 +01009% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>:/ Subject: Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)B8 Message-ID: <7hgimt45j0rbudalu2r3ce5bvvf3u44uvv@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:44:54 -0400, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:   >Folks,r >  >*** Warning, Don't do this ***i >oK >I hope everyone is using an up-to-date virus checker. Because if you go to ! >this URL at the Compaq web site:h1 >http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/acu/index.htmlrL >and try to download the "windows based" Alpha configuration tool dated JulyI >18, you'll find that its infected with "Win32.SirCam.137216" worm. Sinceo  = I just downloaded both the US and European version and Nortonh> AntiVirus Corporate Edition with virus definition 30801w dated% 1-AUG-2001  says they are virus free.l  K >Compaq appears to be the ultimate PeeCee Weenies lately I assumed that alltD >their internal machines would be using a "subscription based" virusI >protection. Fortunately my copy of InoculateIT (from CA) was up to date.o  @ I wonder which scanner is correct or  maybe someone has fixed it already?   -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:32:39 -0400n, From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>/ Subject: Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02)e8 Message-ID: <0hlimtosdrefpn1auf7i0l8nn8efos4okr@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 04:44:54 -0400, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> wrote:   >Folks,c >a >*** Warning, Don't do this ***  >eK >I hope everyone is using an up-to-date virus checker. Because if you go too! >this URL at the Compaq web site: 1 >http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/acu/index.htmltL >and try to download the "windows based" Alpha configuration tool dated JulyI >18, you'll find that its infected with "Win32.SirCam.137216" worm. SinceVK >Compaq appears to be the ultimate PeeCee Weenies lately I assumed that all D >their internal machines would be using a "subscription based" virusI >protection. Fortunately my copy of InoculateIT (from CA) was up to date.  > M >I sent Compaq a note today (2001.08.02) but hopefully other Compaq employees . >in this group can get to the web master ASAP.  @ I just downloaded this file and checked it with up-to-date virusC definitions (yesterday's).  It's clean.  Perhaps your own system ismE infected with this virus?  If I recall, it activates any time you try: to run an executable.M  B The other possibility, of course, is that the file was cleaned and replaced on the server...i    - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)i Fortran EngineeringK* High-Performance Technical Computing Group& Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:38:59 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n/ Subject: Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02) , Message-ID: <3B699031.7DCF9CB7@videotron.ca>   Alan Greig wrote:.? > I just downloaded both the US and European version and Nortonp@ > AntiVirus Corporate Edition with virus definition 30801w dated' > 1-AUG-2001  says they are virus free.e  L I rtemember a customer once calling me to advise me that the disketted I hadL sent them wa infected with a virus as far as their anti-virus was concerned.N The diskette had been formatted and produced on a Macintosh with just a coupleK of text files copied to it. (in  MS-DOS format, of course). So it was quitefD impossible for the diskette to contain some Microsoft virus. But theI anti-virus probably detected the presence of the folder (oops: directory)o< created by the mac to store some of the file/disk meta data.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:46:58 GMTe1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>b/ Subject: Re: Virus Alert at Compaq (2001.08.02) 2 Message-ID: <3B6992D2.8E38BE7E@clarityconnect.com>  A Here is the response from our security team concerning this item.   H " We contacted OPS on this right away.  The server was scanned with bothH Inoculan and NAV, and nothing was found.  They have pulled the documentsH and scanned them, they report as being clean you may want to update your# database in the scanner being used.J  G FYI: There is a 4 tier process for moving items onto the COMPAQ.COM webeF pages, which includes a multiple scans by both Inoculan and NAV.  This5 document was clean all the way through the process. "u  ( Compaq's Software Security Response Team security-ssrt@compaq.com Mark Menkhus0 Subscribe to our Security Advisory mailing list:9 http://www.support.compaq.com/patches/mailing-list.shtml"    -- RD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:37:08 -0400+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>e1 Subject: RE: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CA R Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4D49545@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Michael,  F >>> Any application servers (even the Java ones) running on OpenVMS?>>   Fyi ..  % BEA Weblogic, Concerto (from Xoology)n5 http://www.xoology.com/concertox/xool/home/index.htmle   Regards     
 Kerry Main Senior Consultants Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Servicesr Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message------ From: Michael Joosten [mailto:joost@c-lab.de]f Sent: August 1, 2001 8:14 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm1 Subject: Re: VMS marketing event in Cupertino, CAy     Bill Pedersen wrote:   >  > ? >  OpenVMS can play an integral role in implementing eBusiness?h >  >   ! Now, what do they mean with THAT?   E Having the long discussions some weeks ago in mind w.r.t. the lack of 8 'new' applications for OpenVMS, this make me curious...   @ Any application servers (even the Java ones) running on OpenVMS? B2B systems?   -- n* Michael Joosten, SBS C-LAB, joost@c-lab.de* Fuerstenallee 11, 33094 Paderborn, Germany, Phone: +49 5251 606127, Fax: +49 5251 6060658 C-LAB is a cooperation of University Paderborn & SIEMENS   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 10:01:24 -0500 - From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) % Subject: Re: WATCHER compile problems-3 Message-ID: <qz0Efj69nmIV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <3b688422.6375467@news.process.com>, goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) writes:g >DC > It's SYS$LIBRARY:TPAMAC.REQ.  Just compile it as you did STARLET:r >   H Is it possibly missing from current Freeware kits?  I've installed three' updates to BLISS on my Alpha and still:    $dir sys$library:tpcmacr! %DIRECT-W-NOFILES, no files found'  % or is it perhaps only in the VAX kit?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationh= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupaE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingv   ------------------------------    Date: 02 Aug 2001 16:57:08 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>n% Subject: Re: WATCHER compile problemstH Message-ID: <y47kwm7bnf.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  K Hunter was talking TP_A_MAC and you are talking TP_C_MAC. Dunno who's rightt and who's wrong.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Aug 2001 12:56:58 GMTt1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)lE Subject: Re: [OT] Market corrections (was Re: Alpha: an invitation toh, Message-ID: <9kbimq$2gvc$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  + In article <3B67D547.AA7B87B0@TeraPort.de>,e8  Martin Knoblauch <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de> writes: |> aH |>  Although - in Germany, "worker bee" and "working for the government"G |> are supposed to be mutual exclusive. At least for "public servants".dI |> They saying is: "What is the difference between a public servant and am3 |> piece of wood? The piece of wood works." :-)))))r |>    ! The same adage applies over here.a   bill   -- hJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.426 ************************