1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 04 Aug 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 429       Contents: 4090( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate6 ANN: British Telecom phone bill analyser for VMS (DCL) AS2000 or BA350 or BA356B Re: Comments from a VMS customer (and I would like to stay as one) Re: DCL... Oops...$ Re: Few People in DEC Understood....$ Re: Few People in DEC Understood....$ Re: Few People in DEC Understood....$ Re: Few People in DEC Understood....$ Re: Few People in DEC Understood....$ RE: Few People in DEC Understood....1 Re: Looking for a Pine.exe for TCPIP 5.x services 1 Re: Looking for a Pine.exe for TCPIP 5.x services 1 Re: Media Kits (was Re: IPF Console Bootstrap...) " Migrating from CI to Fiber Channel" Migrating from CI to Fiber Channel Re: OpenVMS  + Itanium0 Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!0 Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!0 Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!0 Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!  Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215$ Re: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215$ Re: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215$ Re: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215$ Re: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215$ Re: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215 Re: Quorum Disk Questions  Re: Quorum Disk Questions  Re: Quorum Disk Questions  Re: Reboot to close a file ????  Re: Reboot to close a file ????  Re: Reboot to close a file ???? ! REQ: VMS Baseball Cap (Help Sue?) 0 Suggested DCPS features (was OpenVMS  + Itanium)4 Re: Suggested DCPS features (was OpenVMS  + Itanium)4 Re: Suggested DCPS features (was OpenVMS  + Itanium)4 Re: Suggested DCPS features (was OpenVMS  + Itanium)" Re: Sun goes after Alpha user base" Re: Sun goes after Alpha user base Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] tcpip 5.1 dhcp error message  Re: tcpip 5.1 dhcp error message Re: Third postcard from Sun  Re: Third postcard from Sun A Use ampersand for flexible error handling and for avoiding quotes E Re: Use ampersand for flexible error handling and for avoiding quotes P Use ampersand to hide ESC from SYS$OUTPUT (was Re: how to write sys$output witho VMS expertise available  Re: VMS expertise available @ Re: When/how to send answerback string during logon negotiations  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:02:55 -0400 ' From: Robert Ricci <ricci_r@subway.com> 
 Subject: 4090 4 Message-ID: <032501c11c46$85907590$635b5cc0@isricci>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0322_01C11C24.FE3D11A0  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   J I have a 4090 microvax with 80mb 2-2GB drives, SZ12 expansion box, three =E VX259-da color terminals , vms 5.5-2 with vxt software and decvoice = 
 software-\* free to whomever can pick up in milford ct  + ------=_NextPart_000_0322_01C11C24.FE3D11A0  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>7 <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">9 <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>I <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a 4090 microvax with 80mb 2-2GB =  drives, SZ12=20 D expansion box, three VX259-da color terminals , vms 5.5-2 with vxt = software and=20   decvoice software-\</FONT></DIV>J <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>free to whomever can pick up in milford =   ct</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   - ------=_NextPart_000_0322_01C11C24.FE3D11A0--    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 14:53:08 -0700 - From: afeldman@gfigroup.com (Alan E. Feldman) 1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate = Message-ID: <af1e4ce6.0108031353.42a09a69@posting.google.com>   V "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message news:<9k47th$3t$1@pyrite.mv.net>...B > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message- > news:bEg97.342$Yx2.7394@news.cpqcorp.net... A > > JF Mezei wrote in message <3B658EBD.CFF83228@videotron.ca>...    
 [big snip]  M > > >What good is a higher quality platform when you can't trust its vendor ?   F What good is a lower quality platform when you can't trust its vendor? Microsoft, i.e. :-]    [snip]   Disclaimer: JMHO   &-) Alan E. Feldman  afeldman@gfigroup.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:33:21 -0400' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate ( Message-ID: <9kfftn$6v7$1@pyrite.mv.net>  : "Alan E. Feldman" <afeldman@gfigroup.com> wrote in message7 news:af1e4ce6.0108031353.42a09a69@posting.google.com... 4 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message# news:<9k47th$3t$1@pyrite.mv.net>... D > > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message/ > > news:bEg97.342$Yx2.7394@news.cpqcorp.net... C > > > JF Mezei wrote in message <3B658EBD.CFF83228@videotron.ca>...  >  > [big snip] > F > > > >What good is a higher quality platform when you can't trust its vendor ? > H > What good is a lower quality platform when you can't trust its vendor? > Microsoft, i.e. :-]   E Unfortunately for Compaq, Microsoft is far from the only alternative.    - bill   >  > [snip] >  > Disclaimer: JMHO   &-) > Alan E. Feldman  > afeldman@gfigroup.com    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 12:02:30 GMT ( From: phkahler@oakland.edu (Paul Kahler)1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate 0 Message-ID: <9ke3sm$713$1@news2.acs.oakland.edu>  3 In comp.arch J Ahlstrom <jahlstro@cisco.com> wrote:  : JF Mezei wrote:   4 : High Tech companies frequently pay no or very tiny5 : dividends on the theory that they can use the money 3 : better than the shareholder can and because money 9 : that goes to dividends is taxed twice - once on company 4 : profit, once as shareholder income - whereas money5 : kept to grow (hopefully) the business is taxed only  : once.   8 One way around the double tax is to do a share buy-back.1 This gives people a larger chunk of the pie while 6 increasing share price. At a minimum it will drive the4 P/E down which is a requirement for having dividends5 without posting a loss. A buyback obviously occurs at 4 the expense of those willing to sell shares, but you7 don't care about them - they're selling... And finally, 2 to tie this loosely into this newsgroup. AMD had a5 buyback this year. They also paid off a bunch of debt 6 (ahead of time) just before their last earnings report5 if I'm not mistaken - something that would negatively / affect that quarter, but is positive long term.    -Paul    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:19:43 +0100 ) From: nic <nic@noaspm.python.demon.co.uk> ? Subject: ANN: British Telecom phone bill analyser for VMS (DCL) 9 Message-ID: <3B6B075F.758C16BA@noaspm.python.demon.co.uk>    Just has a phone bill from BT?0 Wondering who should be in "friends and family"?E Trying to figure out if a call inclusive package will save you money?   4 You need http://www.python.demon.co.uk/phonebill.zip   Written purely in DCL.   To quote from AAAREADME.TXT: Why? ----F Telcomms billing schemes are difficult to understand, and the itemizedH bills are hard to interpret. This program is designed to help you form a  G relationship between the calls you have actually made, and the discount E schemes which may be available to you. To take full advantage of this  suite E you will have to have 'fully itemized billing' i.e. all charged calls  listed.   H This code was designed for use with BT (British Telecom) telephone bills  G and interprets the data based on the discounting system(s) available at  the A date of the code. Future implementations may incorporate multiple 	 filtering D systems for other telecomms providers, or you may change the element) interpretation within this code to suite.   H The output data is designed to be allow you to determine the best number toD place in the Friend and Family list of 10 numbers, and to select the 'best G friend' number in that list. It also sums time against the three rates, G daytime, evening and weekend into the local, regional and national call H bands. This allows you to determine if a call-inclusive scheme will help   reduce your bill.   D It also provides a convenient way of replacing the vague and usuallyB inaccurate destination with a user defined name, making it easy toF determine regular calls and irregular or one-off calls. It generates a properA chronological call report from the split details as provided in a  typical E itemized bill, however with the logical reporting mechanism, I cannot H accept any responsibility for facts that may be disclosed from the data,  ? and subsequent questioning / arguments / divorce or legal cases 	 resulting 1 from the conclusions you may draw after analysis.  ... D Seriously it also demonstrates using arrays in DCL and accessing andF updating indexed files. Bug reports to myself, suggestions etc. PleaseE let me know if you find it useful, if there is enough interest I will " tidy it for a Freeware submission.7 VAX or Alpha, and I guess also Itanium when its out :-)    Regards, Nic Clews, nic at python dot demon dot co dot uk (play) nclews at csc dot com (work)   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 14:43:09 -0700 1 From: jason_odonnell@erinet.com (Jason O'Donnell) ! Subject: AS2000 or BA350 or BA356 = Message-ID: <5c8ffd05.0108031343.50411c71@posting.google.com>   C I am looking for AS2000 specific manuals.  The Compaq website shows E AS2000s, but the owners guide you download is specifcally for AS2100.   B I am slao not able to find on any documentation regarding BA350 or* BA356 drive arrays on the Comapaq website.   HELP anyone?   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:33:36 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>K Subject: Re: Comments from a VMS customer (and I would like to stay as one) 8 Message-ID: <i16mmt8osgqcgou63dcs71d280kg7jrbpt@4ax.com>  . On Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:46:04 +0100, Alan Greig" <alan.greig@intl.fmcti.com> wrote:  G >On 3 Aug 2001 07:19:20 -0500, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry  >Kilgallen) wrote: > b >>In article <e7ukmt8ksu0h2fgvasb08pi8gu26383rb4@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:G >>> On 02 Aug 2001 22:23:10 GMT, "Paul Dembry" <pade@trifox.com> wrote:  >>>  >>>>A >>>>Oracle owns Rdb, why would CPQ have anything to say about it?  >>>>Paul >>> G >>> Because RDB runtime and DBMS runtime were once part of BASE VMS and  >>A >>Rdb was never part of VMS.  For some machines, for a while, Rdb / >>licenses were bundled with new machine sales.  >>( >>For DBMS, not even that much was done. >  >Larry,  > F >I respectfully disagree. DBMS and RDB runtime were both licensed withD >base VMS for a time in exactly the same way that he Fortran runtimeF >libraries are still today. In fact Oracle took DEC to court over thisF >or at least threatened to. If it was not true to say that RDB runtimeC >was included with base VMS then it is not true to say that Fortran D >runtime is currently part of base VMS. Although you could argue theG >definition of "base vms".  You did not have to install RDB runtime. It  >was just there. > F >It was this bundling that caused a lot of ISVs to make use of RDB andE >DBMS rather than competing products. Even DEC built DFG on top of an @ >RDB database on the assumption that RDB runtime would always beB >available on any supported VMS system. ManMan was built on top ofG >RDB/DBMS because it was bundled with VMS.  After DEC sold RDB and DBMS E >all the sites making use of runtime calls to these components had to D >pay a considerable amount of money to Oracle if upgrading as Oracle@ >dropped the concept of runtime-only versions for both products. > ) >Development licenses were never bundled.   A Hmm...  I've managed VMS systems throughout all that stuff, but I < *never* saw Rdb runtime pre-installed with the OS.  In every< installation I did, I had to install Rdb runtime seperately.  > If you've got a CD distribution of the OS that has Rdb runtimeE installed after you've done a complete VMS install, I'd be interested 
 to hear more.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 12:34:53 -0700 < From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com> Subject: Re: DCL... Oops... ) Message-ID: <3B6AFCDC.2C096533@intel.com>    "Mark D. Jilson" wrote:   D > My understanding of this issue is that it was fixed when initiallyJ > reported as it doesn't fail on OpenVMS VAX of recent vintage but the bugH > has been reintroduced in some manner for OpenVMS Alpha V6.2 and above.I > Again if this is more than idle curiosity please report it to the local J > CSC and you will be given a fix for it.  When a downloadable kit becomesB > available it will be published via the normal patch notification
 > process.  H None of the following is directed at Mark personally.  I'm actually veryJ grateful that he is the bearer of good news. :-)  But I would like to make. some clarifying comments and ask one question.  N In my first post from yesterday, I included an SRQ number, C961216-6839, whichK is still open.  It was not submitted because of curiousity or idle interest Q (a "new" feature in our first Alphas), but because there was a documented feature N of DCL that was fairly widely used by our developers that failed.  The answersO we got back from CSC were to the effect that the VAX version of the code in DCL O was very complicated/fragile, that no one really understood it, and people were M afraid they'd break DCL on Alpha if they messed with it.  When you "can't" do O something, you find another way.  Our developers simply "did without" for these  4 1/2 years.  Q Having exchanged correspondence with my former colleagues at SLAC, I think they'd M be _very_ interested to see this problem fixed, once and for all.  Yes, we'll L all be looking for the ECO announcement through "normal" channels.  I'm justO disappointed that (a) David North stumbled upon this but it wasn't obvious that O it was a known, long-standing problem, and (b) that CSC _is_ now able to supply O a fix for given VMS versions without notifying those with open cases concerning 
 this problem.   L I'm also somewhat puzzled by the statement that this problem "was fixed whenP initially reported" but then "reintroduced in ... OpenVMS Alpha V6.2 and above".K I never saw OVMS/Alpha 1.5, and had very little exposure to OVMS/Alpha 6.1. O Is it know that the problem was _not_ present in OVMS/Alpha 1.5 of 6.1, or just + that it got reported against 6.2 and above?        -Ken --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:14:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood.... , Message-ID: <3B6AEA18.DF90691D@videotron.ca>   Peter Weaver wrote: L > No Kerry, it is not enough. Please do more! But not to us, send that to myK > boss' boss' boss (or even to his boss) on a nice colour glossy. Make sure N > that the "free from the X86 based server virus's" part is in extremely large > print.  M Before convincing customers of the value of a former Digital product, perhaps J Kerry could try to convince Compaq internally of the value of the product.N Pointless to get a customer to commit to a products which Comapq employees are internally fighting against.  M Consider the number of ex-DECIes that posted negative comments about All-IN-1 M in this thread. Do you really want to invest in a platform that has (wrongly) $ such a bad image inside the vendor ?   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 11:05:36 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) - Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood.... , Message-ID: <GJ7g0Jw8d3zc@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <3B6AE4BB.7F5FE182@videotron.ca>,  1   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:    > P > Sorry, but ALL-IN-1 or PMDF might be immune from DOS/NT viruses, but they willP > happily deliver messages to users on PCs and if those message contain a virus,P > tough luck. Furthermore, when your server runs on a non-standard platform suchP > as VMS, the odds of having the latest and greatest virus detection for inbound% > and outbound emails are next to nil:  
    Not so.  L    We use Sophos Antivirus on our PMDF mail server under VMS. Sophos are as B good as anyone at getting up-to-date virus filters released. We'veQ been spared from several of the high-profile viruses recently (eg Hybris, Sircam)e/ due to the timely release of filters by Sophos.   L    Using the "belts and suspenders" philosophy, we also run Norton AntiVirus on the desktops.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:30:45 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>s- Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood....o2 Message-ID: <w6Ca7.592$Yx2.13298@news.cpqcorp.net>  I Come on.  Get a good nights sleep, and get out of this really cranky moodV ;-)p  I Nobody, I repeat NOBODY is fighting against All In One or it's successor. K You are taking comments out of context about the history of AIO.  Yes, backtJ in the good 'ol days, if it wasn't invented and supported out of ZKO, thenD it didn't get the respect it might have deserved.  It perhaps wasn'tK elegant - especially that **original** product - but it grew up fairly well + over time, and was a MAJOR seller of VAXes.   J However, I *will* say one thing for the complaint... I'm gonna ask if it'sI installed on STAR, and see if we (or maybe it's just me - since I tend to?D use my PC for mail these days) can start using it on the development	 clusters.t    = JF Mezei wrote in message <3B6AEA18.DF90691D@videotron.ca>...u >Peter Weaver wrote:J >> No Kerry, it is not enough. Please do more! But not to us, send that to myL >> boss' boss' boss (or even to his boss) on a nice colour glossy. Make sureI >> that the "free from the X86 based server virus's" part is in extremelyr largea	 >> print.i >.F >Before convincing customers of the value of a former Digital product, perhaps K >Kerry could try to convince Compaq internally of the value of the product.mK >Pointless to get a customer to commit to a products which Comapq employeeso are  >internally fighting against.w > E >Consider the number of ex-DECIes that posted negative comments abouti All-IN-1D >in this thread. Do you really want to invest in a platform that has	 (wrongly)-% >such a bad image inside the vendor ?-   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 12:29:02 -0700t1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)g- Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood.... , Message-ID: <POnvfSm5PkaM@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  3 In article <w6Ca7.592$Yx2.13298@news.cpqcorp.net>, n;     "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:r  K > Come on.  Get a good nights sleep, and get out of this really cranky moodS > ;-)a > K > Nobody, I repeat NOBODY is fighting against All In One or it's successor.c  C     Didn't Digital scrap AIO for internal mail and move to Exchange-D a few years back? ISTR a bunch of DECies complaining at the time how@ they were forced to switch to Outlook and their mail didn't work properly anymore.P  J     Perhaps this is what JF was referring to. If DigiPaq doesn't think theF product is as good as Exchange for their internal operations why would a customer think otherwise?8   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:25:26 -0400>2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>- Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood....a* Message-ID: <3B6B08B6.478DD08C@oracle.com>   JF Mezei wrote:= 	. 	. 	.O > Consider the number of ex-DECIes that posted negative comments about All-IN-1oO > in this thread. Do you really want to invest in a platform that has (wrongly)e& > such a bad image inside the vendor ?  3 	and exactly how many ex-DECIes is that?  You don't3< suppose that some of them perhaps have an axe to grind?  And= you don't also suppose that everone has an opinion that isn'ta= exactly the same as the rest of the organization that they're 
 a part of?   -- m> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 22:02:16 -0400+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>i- Subject: RE: Few People in DEC Understood....cR Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4D4955B@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   JF,i  @ Notice I stated "server based x86 viruses" - not "all" viruses.   J Obviously, no platform in the world is immune to all viruses. And as Brian= pointed out - Sophos does a very good job at keeping current.-  I >>> The concept of Message Router or Mailbus400 is a bit dated since mostdJ everything is now transfered between hosts (even internally) with SMTP.<<<  K If I recall (and my memory may be fading here..) MS Exchange did not get torI native SMTP until Exchange 2000 (E2K requires W2K to be fully implemented  first).   J I may be wrong on this (perhaps it was V5.5 when it was introduced??), but( any rate, it was a fairly recent change.  
 Reference:J http://www.microsoft.com/Exchange/techinfo/administration/2000/Routing.aspI "An enterprise messaging system that must be fast, scalable, and reliable]J depends on a strong underlying transport and routing engine. Exchange 2000I Server builds on the rich heritage of the Exchange message transfer agenttI (MTA), but also uses a full-featured Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP) * transport for all native communications. "   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant) Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660- Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca] Sent: August 3, 2001 1:52 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn- Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood....e     "Main, Kerry" wrote:L > For those that want a clustered, fully load balanced (across multi-site ifK > required), 64bit very secure email system that is free from the x86 based  > server virus's of the day,  I Sorry, but ALL-IN-1 or PMDF might be immune from DOS/NT viruses, but theyw willG happily deliver messages to users on PCs and if those message contain a  virus,I tough luck. Furthermore, when your server runs on a non-standard platformg suchF as VMS, the odds of having the latest and greatest virus detection for inbound I and outbound emails are next to nil, so it is in fact harder to intercept J viruses at the server level before thei are delivered to the end users and ruin their PC.  K > the same cluster (e.g. Secure Web Server, File-n-Print) - OfficeServer is  as > very good solution.c  I ALL-IN-1 has very neat features, such as WEB access to your file cabinet,  veryJ powerful scripting language with integrated to VMS features such as access toH queues, SYSUAF fields etc. HOWEVER, it lacks one big basic thing: directL access to SMTP servers. The concept of Message Router or Mailbus400 is a bitA dated since most everything is now transfered between hosts (evena internally)M
 with SMTP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:26:11 -0500e' From: Thomas G Wirt <twirt@kittles.com>n: Subject: Re: Looking for a Pine.exe for TCPIP 5.x services+ Message-ID: <3B6B08E3.C1DE5942@kittles.com>d  E This is exactly the thing that I am trying to do, send attached files F via email from a batch job.  Where can one get NBL?  I have Mpack that5 seems to work fine except for the blank line problem.d   Thanks,    Thomas Wirt        Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >  > Hi.p$ > Not an direct answer maybe, but... > A > I'v been sending MIME attachements from VMS 7.2-1 in productionf? > environment for a couple of years using the MIME utility thati> > is delivered with VMS for the MIME encoding, and a tool from< > Arne Vajhoej, called NBL (No Blank Line) to send it. Works@ > in an "lights-out" 24*7 enviroment like a sharm. This is BATCH* > oriented which may not be what you want. > 	 > Regardsi > Jan-Erik Sderholm.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 00:47:48 +0200e< From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com>: Subject: Re: Looking for a Pine.exe for TCPIP 5.x services( Message-ID: <3B6B2A14.7ED7061B@home.com>  1 (I'v sent a copy of my NBL directly to Thomas...)b  ; I got NBL directly from Arne Vajhoej. I'm not sure if therea( is an "official" site/place to find NBL.6 NBL is an example of an "foreign protocol" to VMSmail./ It's used by sending to "nbl%""user@dom.dom""". 7 NBL writes directly to port 25 on any smtp server (evenf UCX "localy").  8 It's real nice to have the VMS box send mails that shows9 up in Outlook just as any other attachment, in my case asu
 ZIP files.  ? B.t.w, the solution that Compaq have (SFF, Send-File-something)e is harder to use, IMHO.d  	 Jan-Erik.a   Thomas G Wirt wrote: > G > This is exactly the thing that I am trying to do, send attached files H > via email from a batch job.  Where can one get NBL?  I have Mpack that7 > seems to work fine except for the blank line problem.m > 	 > Thanks,s > 
 > Thomas Wirt  >l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:26:44 -0500i1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>l: Subject: Re: Media Kits (was Re: IPF Console Bootstrap...)' Message-ID: <3B6B5D64.A8268327@fsi.net>i   Hank Vander Waal wrote:s > * > just please please don't suggest a tu-58   Nah - data cassettes!,  c > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@encompasserve.org]' > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 8:03 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comm< > Subject: Re: Media Kits (was Re: IPF Console Bootstrap...) > 4 > In article <nqja7.559$Yx2.10217@news.cpqcorp.net>,6 > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: >  > >  The TempestN > >   environment variant of the WLAN media distribution kit will be availableM > >   at a small additional cost, though the media self-destruction mechanism ) > >   mandates ground shipment only.  :-)t > E > Why not simply use an 8 1/2 inch floppy?  Security by obscurity and0 > self destructing!m > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation8? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingK     -- e David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 12:24:44 -0700t" From: go4gustoo@yahoo.com (george)+ Subject: Migrating from CI to Fiber Channelt= Message-ID: <63a3620e.0108031124.75a0fa34@posting.google.com>B  A Does anyone had any experience of moving from CI to fiber channeloE technology in terms of SCS communication and write logging on HSG's. i: Are you using gigabit or some other means for SCS traffic?   Thanks   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 12:33:50 -0700 " From: go4gustoo@yahoo.com (george)+ Subject: Migrating from CI to Fiber Channelr= Message-ID: <63a3620e.0108031133.576cfbbd@posting.google.com>c  @ I was wondering if someone can share their experience interms ofD migrating from CI to Fiberchannel.  Any feedback on write logging on' HSG80's and cluster traffic on gigabit.    Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 20:57:05 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>. Subject: Re: OpenVMS  + Itaniumc' Message-ID: <3B6B5671.A763E363@fsi.net>d   Rudolf Wingert wrote:t >  > Hello, > G > a veryf nice feature will be, that a cluster client copies the systemnG > to a local disk (e.g. as memory dump). The next time it must boot, itbF > boots from the local disk and, if neccessary, it updates the changedH > software from the server. This would allow a fast boot and low network
 > traffic.  E I believe a similar feature, originally called "snapshot", I believe, A was implemented in VMS and later desupported, possibly to lack of  interest. Dunno.  ? I used to work with an o.s. that ran on Data General Nova/3 anduE MicroNova called EOS. I seem to recall that once you shut it down, onhH the Nova/3's at least - because they had the front panel toggle switchesG - you could simply press a button on the front panel and the o.s. would C resume at the instruction after the HALT instruction that ended the E shutdown sequence ... or maybe you had to advance th program counter, , then resume. Don't remember exactly anymore.  H What you had was not entirely usable, but it seemed like "Hey, if we can do that, why not ..."i  + I dunno - just rambling tonight, I guess...u   -- n David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:45:29 -0400f- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 9 Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India! , Message-ID: <3B6AE338.E5708A22@videotron.ca>   "Alan B." wrote: > a > WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message news:<0033000031129758000002L082*@MHS>...  > > Holy COW?  Digital India?a > >i > > Surely you jest. > C > Negative. This was no April fool's joke. This was a genuine Emailq > message from Compaq.  G Maybe you didn,t get the joke.  "Holy Cow" and "India" make interestinglM combinations ! (eg: Holy Cow was highly appropriate in the context of talkingf about India !).s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:17:44 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>T9 Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!e, Message-ID: <3B6AEAC5.9AEBFEA1@videotron.ca>   Dan Notov wrote: > J > DIGITAL India exists as such due to Indian commerce laws regarding stockG > ownership of foreign corporations. I do not remember the details, buttJ > DIGITAL India stock remains majority owned by Indians, or something like	 > that...g  L Is there a completely separate Compaq India or were they able to merge their operations ?  N Would the current remaining 11 VMS engineers mind moving to India and work for= Digital India which seems to not be affraid to push VMS ? :-)d   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 19:21:44 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)a9 Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!s, Message-ID: <9ketk8$13kl$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  L In article <rdeininger-0308010906380001@user-2iveaut.dialup.mindspring.com>,5  rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:e |> dJ |> From my reading, it was simply Digital India trying to drum up some newD |> business.  In a sensible world, that would not seem very unusual. |>  D With my understanding of trademarks, patents and copyrights once youC leave the US, I would wonder if this has anything at all to do withIA the company we all knew and loved called Digital or is in fact anaC attempt to make money off of the name.  Is it verified that this is@E the real Digital?? (I did not receive the email, but then, I wouldn't- have expected to.)   bill   -- >J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 20:50:02 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>r9 Subject: Re: Outsourcing of VMS support to Digital India!h* Message-ID: <3B6B0069.2DB60404@virgin.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:   >q >pF > With my understanding of trademarks, patents and copyrights once youE > leave the US, I would wonder if this has anything at all to do withyC > the company we all knew and loved called Digital or is in fact andE > attempt to make money off of the name.  Is it verified that this is G > the real Digital?? (I did not receive the email, but then, I wouldn'tt > have expected to.) >l  P It is the 'real' Digital and existed before Compaq bought Digital. At the CompaqP VMS technical update event in London recently there was a guy from Digital India present.  P Compaq are the majority shareholder and Jeffrey Lynn, a Compaq VP is chairman ofI Digital India. Take a look at http://www.digitalindiasw.com/ for a bit of 
 nostalgia.  L Oh and here's another Digital India Board member you might have heard of :-)      O                                Richard Marcello joined as a director of Digitalu India in April 2000. Mr.M                                Marcello is the Vice President, OpenVMS SystemV Software Group of CompaqO                                Computer Corporation, U.S.A. Mr. Marcello joinedv Digital EquipmentoO                                Corporation, U.S.A in 1981. Prior to this he hasb worked at FairchildgM                                Semiconductor. Mr. Marcello holds a Bachelorss Degree in BusinessJ                                Administration and a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering from thecJ                                University of Notre Dame, and a Masters of Science in Computer SciencesO                                from Boston University. Mr. Marcello is a member- of Corporate GovernanceB:                                Committee of Digital India.       >g > bill >u > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:25:08 -0400- From: "www.islandco.com" <sales@islandco.com>i) Subject: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215r. Message-ID: <tmlqo0dojhn99@news.supernews.com>  L Price includes ground shipping wherever Ground Service is available from USA   International shipping is $30.     -- David B Turner	 Sales DptW Island Computers US Corporationn 2700 Gregory Streetm	 Suite 150t Savannah GA 31404o Tel: 912 447 6622' Fax: 912 201 0096i sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com' http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htmd   We sell Alpha's !    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 14:32:02 -04005 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>y- Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215 2 Message-ID: <J7Ca7.593$Yx2.12983@news.cpqcorp.net>  * Cool.  You can also get it from us direct.   We sell Alpha's too ;-)i      % www.islandco.com wrote in message ...DI >Price includes ground shipping wherever Ground Service is available fromo USAl >w >International shipping is $30 >s >w >--y >David B Turnerm
 >Sales Dpt  >Island Computers US Corporation >2700 Gregory Street
 >Suite 150 >Savannah GA 31404 >Tel: 912 447 6622 >Fax: 912 201 0096 >sales@islandco.comF >www.islandco.comd( >http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htm >5 >We sell Alpha's ! >c >< >a >9   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:48:32 -0400* From: "rob" <rob@paychoice.xxx.nospam.com>- Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215n+ Message-ID: <9keumo$9sr$1@bob.news.rcn.net>D  - "> Cool.  You can also get it from us direct.r >  > We sell Alpha's too ;-)A >f >i  I          Mmmm yes if you have the patience of JOB and the pocketbook of ac king       >h' > www.islandco.com wrote in message ... K > >Price includes ground shipping wherever Ground Service is available from  > USA  > >e  > >International shipping is $30 > >e > >d > >--a > >David B Turnerf > >Sales Dpt" > >Island Computers US Corporation > >2700 Gregory Street > >Suite 150 > >Savannah GA 31404 > >Tel: 912 447 6622 > >Fax: 912 201 0096 > >sales@islandco.coms > >www.islandco.comu* > >http://www.islandco.com/legal-email.htm > >s > >We sell Alpha's ! > >o > >. > >  > >M >i >o   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 12:34:02 -0700t1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)y- Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215 , Message-ID: <Hy8q187bW+lG@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  3 In article <J7Ca7.593$Yx2.12983@news.cpqcorp.net>, o;     "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:   , > Cool.  You can also get it from us direct. >  > We sell Alpha's too ;-)h >  >  > ' > www.islandco.com wrote in message ...   ?    Yeah, but IMHO David's a lot easier to do business with than  Compaq Sales :-)   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:51:11 -0500 (CDT)i From: sms@antinode.org- Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215r) Message-ID: <01080314511142@antinode.org>4  5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>i > [...]e > We sell Alpha's too ;-)  > [...]- > >--l > >David B Turneri > >Sales Dpt" > >Island Computers US Corporation > [...]n > >We sell Alpha's !  E    So, are you the one's who sold the surplu's apostrophe's to Islandf Computer's, too?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)yC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)hG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)e9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 22:44:48 -0400m2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: Oxygen VX1 32MB PCI Video USD215tL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0308012244480001@user-2ive7tb.dialup.mindspring.com>  A In article <01080314511142@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org wrote:a     You mi's'sed a few!:  L >    'So, are you the one's who 'sold the 'surplu's apo'strophe's to I'sland > Computer's, too? > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > G >    'Steven M. 'Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home):G >    382 'South Warwick 'Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)-L >    'Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547       (+1) 763-781-0309  (fac'simile, work)@ >    'sm's@antinode.org                'sm's@provi's.com  (work)  " (Thi's i's harder than it look's.)   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mind'spring.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 18:14:04 +0100 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Questions) Message-ID: <3B6ADBDC.8151A1BC@127.0.0.1>    "Mark D. Jilson" wrote:a > < > In a cluster with more than 2 voting nodes you can use SETH > CLUSTER/EXPECTED to reduce the current cluster expected votes and thus > change quorum. >  > SET  >  >   CLUSTERg >  >     /EXPECTED_VOTESr >   $ Yes, but not from 2 votes to 1 vote.  
 As you quote:i   >       Descriptiond > ...n > C >            Note that no matter what value you specify for the SETdJ >            CLUSTER/EXPECTED_VOTES command, you cannot increase quorum toJ >            a value that is greater than the number of the votes present,J >            nor can you reduce quorum to a value that is half or fewer of > thei >            votes present.o >   H The only overriding case is using REMOVE_NODE during a shutdown, where 2' can be reduced to 1. [previous message]P  = So you can SET CLUSTER/EXPECT until QUORUM is 2 and no lower.a  @ However voting issues are what you want to _achieve_, as I said:    8 > > To sum up,you need to know what you want to achieve. > >r  B Some folks have the _need_ to operate with only one of a number of voting VMS systems.i  E You know, I even wear a flat cap during my explanation, to go way offkB topic The Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club and Colin Crompton1 saying "We've had a meeting of the committee...!"e   -- o( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 18:03:31 +0100w( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Questions) Message-ID: <3B6AD963.573DD000@127.0.0.1>u   Rob Young wrote: > V > In article <3B6A9BF6.948576A4@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:K >> > QUORUM_DISK is a bad name, it ought to be called VOTING_DISK. It givesiK > > rise to mythconceptions. QUORUM is half the sum of all votes, plus one, K >                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^m > > rounded down.- > >- >  >         Ooops! > $ >         Q = (EV + 2 ) / 2      (1) >         Rounded Down.e  E Wasn't that what I said? I did the calculation differently to explain.E what it was, sum all the votes, divide that by 2, then add one. Isn'tyG that the same as summing all the votes AND adding two, then dividing byj two?  H I was trying to make the point that it was "just one more" than half theG votes. If my math(s) is flaky you maybe need to spell it out to me moreu! clearly as I don't see the point.l   > " >         Plus two, not "plus one" >   F It's "plus one" AFTER the sum is halved, that was what I was trying toD say. i.e. it is IMPOSSIBLE to have two identical halves of votes, to; operate [with QUORUM] you need at least one more than half.g  B >         But.... get rid of the Quorum Disk, adjust EV on the wayK >         up as outlined earlier.  Pick up Roy Davis' VAXCluster Principles A >         to give insight to all this (Yes, it is a bit dated buth% >         Principles are Principles!)   D Oh, Rob, I would love a copy of this, any offer please, please throw3 them my way, I want a copy of this book - I'll pay.6  G However I fully believe quorum disks have their place and their uses. I:C still want something concrete to say they are a performance hit (my./ precedessor believed that too, but I dunno why)    > (1)pH > Ref:  http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4477/4477pro_002.html  D I'm fully aware of the docs, it's my [vain?] attempt to simplify andF expain. When I'm doing the course it's always great fun, and I've been? known to form a human cluster to illustrate the points! Courses)H reinforce the docs, not regurgitate. I feel I need to do this because ofF the confusion over such an important issue. If everyone understood theB docs and stuff as well as you did, there'd be no need for courses!   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot come   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 19:25:23 -0700i& From: robyoung@my-deja.com (Rob Young)" Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Questions= Message-ID: <9c40b5bf.0108031825.328edb76@posting.google.com>-  Y Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> wrote in message news:<3B6AD963.573DD000@127.0.0.1>...A > Rob Young wrote: > > X > > In article <3B6A9BF6.948576A4@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:M > >> > QUORUM_DISK is a bad name, it ought to be called VOTING_DISK. It giveseM > > > rise to mythconceptions. QUORUM is half the sum of all votes, plus one,/I >                                                              ^^^^^^^^^^t > > > rounded down.o > > >g > >  > >         Ooops! > > & > >         Q = (EV + 2 ) / 2      (1) > >         Rounded Down.t > G > Wasn't that what I said? I did the calculation differently to explain G > what it was, sum all the votes, divide that by 2, then add one. Isn'tSI > that the same as summing all the votes AND adding two, then dividing bys > two? >   >      They both work the same.  A = ( B + 2 ) / 2  , B = 2A - 2C      C = (D / 2) + 1  , D = 2C - 2.... I'm not a purist kind of guynF      but if the algebra is here there and everywhere written one way, D      and we start introducing another "more simpler" way, that makesD      it tougher for the kiddies.  Surely 9th grade algebra should beD      a bare minimum to run a cluster.  Perhaps that is a good thing!      Very good thing!,  J > I was trying to make the point that it was "just one more" than half theI > votes. If my math(s) is flaky you maybe need to spell it out to me moret# > clearly as I don't see the point.e >  > > $ > >         Plus two, not "plus one" > >  > H > It's "plus one" AFTER the sum is halved, that was what I was trying toF > say. i.e. it is IMPOSSIBLE to have two identical halves of votes, to= > operate [with QUORUM] you need at least one more than half.d > D > >         But.... get rid of the Quorum Disk, adjust EV on the wayM > >         up as outlined earlier.  Pick up Roy Davis' VAXCluster PrinciplesrC > >         to give insight to all this (Yes, it is a bit dated butk' > >         Principles are Principles!)v > F > Oh, Rob, I would love a copy of this, any offer please, please throw5 > them my way, I want a copy of this book - I'll pay.t >     H http://www.alphabetstreet.infront.co.uk//cgi-bin/search?catid=1555581129G http://www.alphabetstreet.infront.co.uk/cgi-bin/show?Key=alpha155558112   =        Special order, shipping in 2-3 weeks.  On your side ofpM        the Big Pond.  Love saying that every now and then. There are others. w2        Use this latest and greatest search engine:   http://www.addall.com/  I > However I fully believe quorum disks have their place and their uses. IrE > still want something concrete to say they are a performance hit (myp1 > precedessor believed that too, but I dunno why)  >   H        Funny, a totally idle cluster and monitor cluster running sees anH        occasional I/O ( where occasional means every few seconds and I/OI        means literally a single I/O ) to the quorum disk.  Folks from the I        Evil Machine Corporation spent a few weeks and extended email backsH        and forths attempting to prove the "performance hit" of ShadowingD        also.  Thankfully, years of extended back and forths with ourN        British Champion - AH - (and others) has me in fairly good shape.  TheyE        were quite wore out about 30 emails into it ;-).   Performance!I        hit?  Blah!  Nonesense!  Checking to make sure the QDisk is there.iL        I'm sure Davis' tome discusses it (if I recall).  Maybe I dig through&        one of these boxes and find it.   > > (1)TJ > > Ref:  http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4477/4477pro_002.html > F > I'm fully aware of the docs, it's my [vain?] attempt to simplify andH > expain. When I'm doing the course it's always great fun, and I've beenA > known to form a human cluster to illustrate the points! CoursesnJ > reinforce the docs, not regurgitate. I feel I need to do this because ofH > the confusion over such an important issue. If everyone understood theD > docs and stuff as well as you did, there'd be no need for courses!  I Sounds cool.. to get the class involved!  That last line puts me over theoH edge.  Go back and read some of my screw-ups.  Usually it takes me aboutL 5 postings to right myself on occasion.  And other times, still floundering. :-)r  #                                 Rob    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 20:52:15 GMT0  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>( Subject: Re: Reboot to close a file ????8 Message-ID: <ic3mmtgr9d5t9lqma74md7o96mo4b6aaav@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 02 Aug 2001 16:38:45 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:l   >"Mark D. Jilson" wrote:H >> The way to request these things is, currently, the CSC and any directG >> contact a customer may have with VMS Engineering in a formal settingo
 >> like CETS.p > O >1- Why can't engineers remport to management that they have received a request O >for feature XX from customers. Why force the customers to repeat their stories 1 >through all sorts of layers of heavy management.) > N >2- Not everyone has access to the CSC. I remember trying to report a bug on aM >product and for the privilege of doing so, the canadian CSC wanted to charge N >me 1 hour of consulting at $250.00 for the privilege of allowing me to report >a bug.> > K >3- Please stop seing that CETS thing as the only way for customers to meet K >engineers. comp.os.vms reaches engineers YEAR ROUND, and reaches customersrI >from around the world. That CETS thing is just a local event in the USA.n  F Ok.  Let's just say that there are two customers with issues that need  to be fixed, improved, whatever.  7 Cust1 pays the annual maintenance contract for hw & sw.yD Cust2 doesn't, but chooses to use Usenet posts for support, and puts# in a request such as has been made.n  F If Compaq engineering has limited resources to only work on one, whichA should they work on?  If you were the paying customer whose issuei3 didn't get serviced first, you'd be pretty unhappy.   E There are reasons that we use the proper channels.  It isn't all thatr> difficult to submit a request, particularly if you're a payingB customer.  I've worked many years as a customer, and if I properly@ document the issue, and provide a short test that reproduces theD problem, I don't spend any time repeating my story through all sortsD of layers.  BTW, there is almost no management involved when you useB the proper channels - at least, none that ever got in my way (as a
 customer).  E But if there is a real bug, regardless if you're a paying customer ortF not, then I don't think CSC should make you pay just to submit it.  IfD you want an answer/fix/workaround, then they might expect you to pay
 something.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:50:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Re: Reboot to close a file ????, Message-ID: <3B6B1CB6.CC888F94@videotron.ca>   jlsue wrote:9 > Cust1 pays the annual maintenance contract for hw & sw. F > Cust2 doesn't, but chooses to use Usenet posts for support, and puts% > in a request such as has been made.   L If customer without access to CSC makes a very valid and valuable suggestionG to engineers via usenet, does this mean that because it hasn't been puti: through channels that the suggestion should be discarded ?  F Please remember that if Compaq insists on keeping onlt the largest VMSM customers, will it give all employees within those customers access to CSC to L make suggestions ? Will it give all developpers in small 3rd party companies# access to CSC to make suggestions ?   J System managers may have access o CSC, but users and programmers generallyM wouldn't. And those are the ones who might want to see various user interface9 improvements made.  L There is a difference between suggesting that one should be able to create aH shadow set with 2 different disk drive types, and being able to create aT prompt greater than 32 characters to provide a certain capability for certain users.  N Furthermore, do not forget that there are consultants who may not be customersI of Compaq per say but work at customers. And those consultants who bother-K making suggestions on usernet are perhaps Compaq's only contacts with thoser1 smaller customers supported by those consultants.y  K Please remember that during the palmer years, many customers were forced toeJ sever relationship with Digital and make purchases through 3rd parties whoL didn't really care about VMS anmd just pushed papers to make an order result  is some product being delivered.  G > But if there is a real bug, regardless if you're a paying customer orBD > not, then I don't think CSC should make you pay just to submit it.  8 Remember that there isn't just one CSC around the world.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2001 01:02:18 +0200s< From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com>( Subject: Re: Reboot to close a file ????( Message-ID: <3B6B2D7A.948C7DCB@home.com>  0 Isn't it the COMPANY that have "access" to CSC ?< And can't the sys mgr and the programmers talk to each other anyway ?   Jan-Erik Sderholm.o   JF Mezei wrote:r > L > System managers may have access o CSC, but users and programmers generallyO > wouldn't. And those are the ones who might want to see various user interfaceo > improvements made. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:50:15 -0700o  From: Jon <jsmyth69@hotmail.com>* Subject: REQ: VMS Baseball Cap (Help Sue?)2 Message-ID: <Mw5rO6nXXx0xxQmsIpE+Y3Zbw5M2@4ax.com>   Hi,i  E    I have (had) one of those great VMS caps and it self-destructed in1E a coin-op washing machine.  Can someone give me a pointer as to wherecF to get another? (Sue?)  I got the original from a Compaq VMS team that came to our company.   Thanks!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:41:33 -0400t0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>9 Subject: Suggested DCPS features (was OpenVMS  + Itanium)-; Message-ID: <030820011441337620%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>$  E In article <200108030612.IAA06100@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingerto <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:  : > A GUI driven user interface for DCPS would be nessesary.  @ What functions would this DCPS GUI perform?  Should this be an X= Windows, character cell full-screen or command procedure-type 
 interface?  O > This should use the standard PPD (like Windows), so that the user can use allC$ > the features of the used printers.  G We understand your request, but this is a huge undertaking.  Given thateB DCPS is now much more up-to-date with printer models and that manyE other printers work in an unsupported mode, we're not sure it's worthi, the engineering effort to make such changes.   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringt   Compaq Computer Corporationa   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 19:15:46 GMT-= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e= Subject: Re: Suggested DCPS features (was OpenVMS  + Itanium)h0 Message-ID: <009FFFB7.A230DC63@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <030820011441337620%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes:F >In article <200108030612.IAA06100@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert ><win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:0 > ; >> A GUI driven user interface for DCPS would be nessesary.R >OA >What functions would this DCPS GUI perform?  Should this be an X4> >Windows, character cell full-screen or command procedure-type >interface?n >.P >> This should use the standard PPD (like Windows), so that the user can use all#                                 ^^^o  
 What is this?   % >> the features of the used printers.- >-H >We understand your request, but this is a huge undertaking.  Given thatC >DCPS is now much more up-to-date with printer models and that manyoF >other printers work in an unsupported mode, we're not sure it's worth- >the engineering effort to make such changes.  >c >Paul, >r >--  > Paul Anderson. >  OpenVMS Engineering >  Compaq Computer Corporation --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            -J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes6   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:43:21 -0400w- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> = Subject: Re: Suggested DCPS features (was OpenVMS  + Itanium)n( Message-ID: <3B6AFECD.A1972AB8@ohio.edu>  q PPD stands, I think, for Printer Properties Description; in any event, the Mac OS' "Laserwriter 8" printer driverci software also uses these to make printer features available for postscript printers.  For example, when IUo installed my HP LaserJet 2200 DTN, I just needed the PPD file to be able to get access to double-sided printingo! through the regular print dialog.n                               RDP     & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  p > In article <030820011441337620%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes:H > >In article <200108030612.IAA06100@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert > ><win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:o > >i= > >> A GUI driven user interface for DCPS would be nessesary.m > >oC > >What functions would this DCPS GUI perform?  Should this be an X @ > >Windows, character cell full-screen or command procedure-type
 > >interface?  > >nR > >> This should use the standard PPD (like Windows), so that the user can use all% >                                 ^^^  >i > What is this?e >n' > >> the features of the used printers., > >CJ > >We understand your request, but this is a huge undertaking.  Given thatE > >DCPS is now much more up-to-date with printer models and that manynH > >other printers work in an unsupported mode, we're not sure it's worth/ > >the engineering effort to make such changes.  > >n > >Paul< > >B > >--7 > > Paul Anderson  > >  OpenVMS Engineering  > >  Compaq Computer Corporation > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMO > K >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery K >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:40:57 -0400u2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)= Subject: Re: Suggested DCPS features (was OpenVMS  + Itanium)dL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0308011540580001@user-2ivec79.dialup.mindspring.com>  O In article <009FFFB7.A230DC63@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:O  B > In article <030820011441337620%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>, Paul- Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes: H > >In article <200108030612.IAA06100@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert > ><win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:  > >y= > >> A GUI driven user interface for DCPS would be nessesary.l > > C > >What functions would this DCPS GUI perform?  Should this be an X @ > >Windows, character cell full-screen or command procedure-type
 > >interface?a > >wJ > >> This should use the standard PPD (like Windows), so that the user can use alli% >                                 ^^^s >  > What is this?s    & PPD --> Postscript Printer Description  J These are quasi-standard chunks of postscript that attempt to abstract theJ printer-specific features of a particular printer model.  They are usuallyG supplied by the printer manufacturer.  Printing software can attempt touB use the information in the PPD to map special features to the userI interface, and to map the needs of a postscript document to the abilities. of the printer.   C PPDs are commonplace in Macintosh printing, and have evidently beeny0 "independently rediscovered" on windoze as well.  H Here's a fragment from the PPD for an Apple Laserwriter IINT, if you are _really_ curious...   K *% The following entries provide information about specific paper keywords.0 *DefaultImageableArea: Letter(0 *ImageableArea Letter/US Letter: "15 8 597 784 "/ *ImageableArea Legal/US Legal: "15 8 597 1000 "o# *ImageableArea A4: "13 10 577 832 "@# *ImageableArea B5: "21 10 500 715 "A< *ImageableArea LetterSmall/US Letter Small: "31 31 583 761 "1 *ImageableArea A4Small/A4 Small: "29 31 567 812 "s: *ImageableArea LegalSmall/US Legal Small: "64 54 548 954 "J *ImageableArea Monarch/Monarch Envelope Center Fed: "178.5 269 433.5 773 "F *ImageableArea Com10/Com10 Envelope Center Fed: "169.5 125 442.5 773 " *?ImageableArea: " save:    /cvp {(                ) cvs print ( ) print } bind def3    /upperright {10000 mul floor 10000 div} bind defE4    /lowerleft {10000 mul ceiling 10000 div} bind def    newpath clippath pathbbox*    4 -2 roll exch 2 {lowerleft cvp} repeat'    exch 2 {upperright cvp} repeat flusht restore  "n *End    H I don't know how software typically makes use of this stuff, but it does look vaguely useful.   -- T Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 19:17:54 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) + Subject: Re: Sun goes after Alpha user base , Message-ID: <9ketd2$13kl$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  6 In article <200108030634.IAA06157@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>,)  Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes: 	 |> Hello,u |>  J |> other then Sun I did not see, that Compaq did sold machines not having.F |> But Sun do. They did offer last year a new one Sun (buy now and getM |> them next year), which the would like to build in the middle of this year.nM |> Offering a computer realized in the feature I did see the last five years. M |> What's happen if this computer can never be build in case of technologicali |> problem?O  G That practice is not limited to Sun.  Back before I joined the academicoG world I worked for a major systems integrator.  We once went up againsttF DEC bidding a VAX while we were bidding a Prime.  We delivered 5 boxesG of benchmark results while DEC delivered a letter stating the box being E bid didn't exist yet but if it did, these would be the results of theiD benchmark.  Oh, by the way, DEC won.  I learned alot about marketing
 that day.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 12:38:31 -0700y1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) + Subject: Re: Sun goes after Alpha user basew, Message-ID: <wTA0iX3$QFJW@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <9ketd2$13kl$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>,  7     bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:c > I > That practice is not limited to Sun.  Back before I joined the academicnI > world I worked for a major systems integrator.  We once went up againstsH > DEC bidding a VAX while we were bidding a Prime.  We delivered 5 boxesI > of benchmark results while DEC delivered a letter stating the box being G > bid didn't exist yet but if it did, these would be the results of thedF > benchmark.  Oh, by the way, DEC won.  I learned alot about marketing > that day.  > E    When we put out the RFP for an upgrade from our PDP-11 system backH@ in 1979 we sent the request to Digital and IBM ( among others ).  D    Digital bid a VAX 11/780. IBM said that they didn't have anythingD that met our needs but they recommended we not upgrade our system atF this time and that they would have a suitable product in a year or so.      We went with the VAX.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:46:45 -040042 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory]aL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0308011546460001@user-2ivec79.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <Jzza7.579$Yx2.11377@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"$ <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote:  J > Well, when the COE stuff makes it's way into the mainstream, you will beF > able to set up logicals so that the Motif/CDE stuff can present UNIXG > pathnames, and will gladly accept the tilde as in ~/subdir/myfile.dath > J > But I think it is a resonable suggestion that it would be nice to have aL > rooted logical equivalent to SYS$LOGIN created (automatically) so that you5 > can have something like SYS$HOME:[SUBDIR]MYFILE.DAT  > N > However, it is also something that you can do today with a minimal amount of > DCL in your login.comx  G A VMS-approved standard name would be available to software developers,g8 without having to depend on non-uniform local standards.   -- : Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comn   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 14:37:13 -0700 - From: afeldman@gfigroup.com (Alan E. Feldman)>' Subject: Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory]i= Message-ID: <af1e4ce6.0108031337.7b4de623@posting.google.com>   ` JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3B6ADFE3.DA84485@videotron.ca>... > Arne Vajhj wrote:B > > Send a suggestion to Compaq VMS Engineering for such a logical) > > (I think it should be SYS$LOGINROOT).  > > > I would much rather have a shorter notation to acheive this. > H > The idea is to make is quicker to refer to files below your sys$login.   Here ya go!:   DCL> TYPE SHORT.COM % $    F == F$TRNLNM("SYS$LOGIN") - "]" 
 $    SH SYM F  DCL> SET DEF 'F] DCL> SH DEFl   DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN] DCL> SET DEF 'F.UTI.GENERAL]
 DCL> SHOW DEFr"   DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN.UTI.GENERAL] DCL>  F Pretty short, eh? And there's no need to mess with 000000. I call thisB a concealed rooted device symbol. Just add SHORT.COM to your login	 sequence.i   Disclaimer: JMHO     &-] Alan E. Feldmann afeldman@gfigroup.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:48:12 -0400 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>e% Subject: tcpip 5.1 dhcp error messagei+ Message-ID: <3B6AE3DC.13E34342@adldata.com>h  4 I have an alpha with VMS 7.2-1 and TCPIP v5.1 eco 1 G with a primary ip address in 206.234.147.3 and an alias of 192.168.1.3.rC DHCP was configured to serve addresses for the 192.168.1.0 network.c  / When a PC (win9x) tries to get an ip address,  a5 the following error message shows up in the dhcp log:a  H DHCPDISCOVER from HW xx:xx:xx:xx:xx : network not administered by server  D The compaq manual (chap 7.9) only said that the NETMASKS. table may D need to be fixed. The join manual (page 118) also mentioned several # other possibilities including this:   E    3. The owner of a valid IP range is not the server node on whichb JOINF       is running. Check that the official internet address of serverG       corresponds to the owner of IP range, as shown in debug level 5n&       JOIN log file at server startup.  A I am guessing that "owner" and "official" refer to the primary ip1 address.G Does this mean that I can't use it to serve addresses for the IP alias?   	 thank youl -- ?' Sol Gongola           (sol@adldata.com)n.    IBM Certified Specialist-AIX System Support,    COMPAQ ASE Alphaserver/OpenVMS Specialist ADL Data Systems Inc 20 livingstone ave Dobbs Ferry, NY 10522a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 15:59:24 -0500 ' From: Thomas G Wirt <twirt@kittles.com>e) Subject: Re: tcpip 5.1 dhcp error messagec+ Message-ID: <3B6B10AC.518F608C@kittles.com>a  D This is probably something that you have already done, but I did notH want to over look the obvious.  Have you set the DHCP range so that yourF DHCP server address is excluded from the DHCP address range.  In otherG words you would not want to actually use 192.168.1.0 network for DHCP. kE You would only want to use part of this range, i.e. 192.168.1.10-254.d  G Sorry to bother you if you have already done this.  Just wanted to helps   Thomas Wirt    sol gongola wrote: > 5 > I have an alpha with VMS 7.2-1 and TCPIP v5.1 eco 1nI > with a primary ip address in 206.234.147.3 and an alias of 192.168.1.3. E > DHCP was configured to serve addresses for the 192.168.1.0 network.e > / > When a PC (win9x) tries to get an ip address,r7 > the following error message shows up in the dhcp log:e > J > DHCPDISCOVER from HW xx:xx:xx:xx:xx : network not administered by server > E > The compaq manual (chap 7.9) only said that the NETMASKS. table maytE > need to be fixed. The join manual (page 118) also mentioned severalr% > other possibilities including this:a > G >    3. The owner of a valid IP range is not the server node on whichs > JOINH >       is running. Check that the official internet address of serverI >       corresponds to the owner of IP range, as shown in debug level 5i( >       JOIN log file at server startup. > C > I am guessing that "owner" and "official" refer to the primary ip 
 > address.I > Does this mean that I can't use it to serve addresses for the IP alias?- >  > thank you  > --) > Sol Gongola           (sol@adldata.com)a0 >    IBM Certified Specialist-AIX System Support. >    COMPAQ ASE Alphaserver/OpenVMS Specialist > ADL Data Systems Inc > 20 livingstone ave > Dobbs Ferry, NY 10522e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 14:09:54 -0400o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>z$ Subject: Re: Third postcard from Sun, Message-ID: <3B6AE8EF.1CF9DEFA@videotron.ca>   David Mathog wrote:nG > really says is that the listener should not believe that the responserF > was as positive as the speaker is insinuating.   Given the real (andG > well deserved) level of customer confidence in the veracity of CompaqMG > management's statements (zero) a more compelling statement would have. > been "we spoke to the E > CIOs at our 100 largest customers and ##% of them said they were in  > favor of the change."     
 NO NO NO !  ) What Capellas's attement really means is: L "We received far fewer complaints than we had expected, so customer responseN was very positive compared to what we had expected" (eg: customer response was+ positive compared to what we had expected).   K Actions speak louder than words. We all know that Capellas, Winkler etc can0J say whatever they want about VMS. But in the end, the only credible thingsM from Compaq are hard comitment and delivered goods and marketing budgets thatvG actually get spent. Don't beleive Compaq if they say they will send youiL flashing balls. Beleive them when they actually get sent and you get them in
 your mailbox.e  H All of last year, Compaq tried to reassure VMS customers by stating thatN Compaq would transform itself into an enterprise company and thus VMS would beM prominently featured as Compaq's most profitable enterprise product (or so weuI thought). End result: TV ads featuring wintel boxes in a VW minibus. (eg:n% enterprise products based on wintel).'  M So it is pointless to raise any hopes about VMS. Let Compaq do what it wants,eI and if it delivers something interesting for VMS (such as real marketing,-L commitments by ISVs to port to IA64 etc), then perhaps you can consider thisN as a positive move. But until Compaq delivers on VMS, it is pointless to raiseH one's hopes based on vague promises from Compaq, the company that has noC problem breaking commitments and doing a 180 about face with Alpha.a  I In other words, don't trust a single thing Compaq says. Measure only whatA Compaq delivers.  N And even at that, considering the storage support issue, it has become hard to: trust Compaq to support its own products in the long term.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 13:21:05 -0700f% From: GreyCloud <wholland@tscnet.com>i$ Subject: Re: Third postcard from SunO Message-ID: <FF7B6B2EB7D9B3B0.A57BCA40E0516DA3.BB5BC88CB99A8F63@lp.airnews.net>    Alan Greig wrote:t  B > I've today received a third postcard from Sun. This time it saysG > simply "Therapy from Sun" in huge bold letters on one side and on thewE > other "It's such an uncertain world. Just when you think that mayber4 > Alpha's here to stay after all, out it goes." etc. > ) > Still waiting for anything from Compaq.s > D > Plus I was just talking to a long serving DEC/Compaq field serviceG > engineer. Field service engineers are about the only Compaq employeesAD > with regular customer contact these days (other than the excellentB > service provided in c.o.v) and he says that customer response toA > recent events is near universally negative. Capellas says it is 0 > "unbelievably positive". I know who I believe. > -- > Alan  : It's as I had figured and watched for quite some time now.@ The Compaq management is worried about future profits and sales.< So they have decided to jump on the IA-64 bandwagon like all7 the other companies are doing.  IBM excepted of course.'D It will be a bottom line issue for both management and the consumer.D Sun is fighting back using the sparc II & III line and cutting costsG to keep in the ring with the rest.  My feelings is that you will see ane IA64 line real soon now from Compaq.o   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 15:23:30 -0700D- From: afeldman@gfigroup.com (Alan E. Feldman) J Subject: Use ampersand for flexible error handling and for avoiding quotes= Message-ID: <af1e4ce6.0108031423.5cda4f92@posting.google.com>0  K All right, enough doom and gloom. It's time for a quick fun DCL minute! :-)   < You can use the ampersand to create variable error handling:   DCL> TYPE AMP.COMu $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO &WARN $ WARN = "_HELLO"  $ SHOW TIMEW $ WARN = "_BYE"  $ DIR ASDF:e $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "YIKES" $ EXIT $_HELLO: $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "HELLO" $ EXIT $_BYE: $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "BYE" DCL>	 DCL> @AMPl $ ON WARNING THEN GOTO &WARN $ WARN = "_HELLO"h $ SHOW TIME     3-AUG-2001 22:12:39 $ WARN = "_BYE"s $ DIR ASDF:W@ %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening ASDF:[FELDMAN.DCL]*.*;* as inputK -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type for operation  $_BYE: $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "BYE" BYEd DCL>  9 NB: The value of the symbol WARN *MUST* be in upper case.   " Use the ampersand to avoid quotes:   DCL> A = F$TIME()r
 DCL> SH SYM AV   A = " 3-AUG-2001 22:16:20.16"t DCL> COPY NL: AFTER.TMPAP %COPY-S-COPIED, _NLA0: copied to DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN.DCL]AFTER.TMP;1 (0 records) DCL> DIR/SINC=&A   " Directory DISK$DATA1:[FELDMAN.DCL]  r= AFTER.TMP;1                 0/0        3-AUG-2001 22:16:25.21h    Total of 1 file, 0/0 blocks. DCL>   Disclaimer: JMHO   &-) Alan E. Feldman= afeldman@gfigroup.comi   ------------------------------  " Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 00:56:15 GMT7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)cN Subject: Re: Use ampersand for flexible error handling and for avoiding quotes& Message-ID: <GHIqLr.4wB@world.std.com>  / afeldman@gfigroup.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:r  L >All right, enough doom and gloom. It's time for a quick fun DCL minute! :-)  = >You can use the ampersand to create variable error handling:.  H Yes the ampersand can be a very powerful DCL tool if you know how to use it.  However, not too many do.  H One thing the ampersand can be used for is to get rid of the ''variable'G usage, (two single quotes causing interpretation of a variable) which I0E consider incredibly ugly programming.  Sometimes, however it's tricky  to figure out how.   -Mikei   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 15:08:02 -0700 - From: afeldman@gfigroup.com (Alan E. Feldman) Y Subject: Use ampersand to hide ESC from SYS$OUTPUT (was Re: how to write sys$output withoT= Message-ID: <af1e4ce6.0108031408.639c6c4d@posting.google.com>r  g "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian@notnoone.notnohow.com> wrote in message news:<3b688836$1@news.si.com>...r >s [snip] >  > $       if ansin > $       thenM > $           col = f$string('f$getdvi("tt:","devbufsiz")' + 1 - node_length)aJ > $           prompt = esc + "7" + csi + "0;" + col + "H" + csi + "7m" + -@ >                      node_name + csi + "0m" + esc + "8" + "$ "$ > $           set prompt="''prompt'" > $       else, > $           set prompt = "''node_name' $ " > $       endife  ? Here we can use the ampersand to hide the escape character frome( SYS$OUTPUT when SET VERIFY is in effect:   DCL> type prompt.com $ esc:=a
 $ esc[0,8]=27t $ csi = esc + "[" " $ node_name = f$getsyi("nodename")# $ node_length = f$length(node_name)t> $           col = f$string('f$getdvi("tt:","devbufsiz")' + 1 - node_length)F $           prompt = esc + "7" + csi + "0;" + col + "H" + csi + "7m" + -a>                      node_name + csi + "0m" + esc + "8" + "$ "- $!------   $           set prompt="''prompt'"  $ SET PROMPT = &PROMPT DCL>  C When you run the procedure above with procedure verification turned D on, you will not get ESC characters sent to the screen in the echoed# lines. No quotes are needed either.l   Disclaimer: JMHO   &-) Alan E. Feldmana afeldman@gfigroup.comE   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Aug 2001 18:40:02 -0700 ( From: kparris@my-deja.com (Keith Parris)  Subject: VMS expertise available= Message-ID: <cb85fed2.0108031740.205bf3ea@posting.google.com>c  F I'm looking for a site which needs high-level VMS expertise, either on a contract or employment basis.c  D I have strong knowledge and skills in the areas of VMS Clusters, VMS@ Internals, performance, storage, and I/O.  The ideal match would0 probably be a site which needs to build or run aE very-high-availability or disaster-tolerant VMS cluster, but I'm also0= good at helping sites facing daunting growth rates, difficultn. performance problems, or severe system issues.  E I've worked with VMS for 18 years, and my experience includes time at6C Digital, including work as a developer in VMS Engineering and as anr  engineer in Storage Engineering.  D You can get more info on my background, experience, and recent areasC of investigation and study at http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/>C ------------------------------------------------------------------- D Keith Parris | keithparris "at" yahoo "dot" com | VMS consulting on:C Clusters, Disaster Tolerance, Internals, Performance, Storage & I/Od   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 22:01:25 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> $ Subject: Re: VMS expertise available, Message-ID: <3B6B5773.106C5914@videotron.ca>   Keith Parris wrote:  > H > I'm looking for a site which needs high-level VMS expertise, either on! > a contract or employment basis.n  M NOW *THAT* is depressing. If a guru such as Keith Parris is looking for work,yL the oddds of normal people finding VMS work are next to nil. :-( :-( :-( :-(   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 20:04:37 -0500' From: "Glenn Wiens" <gwiens@swbell.net>eI Subject: Re: When/how to send answerback string during logon negotiationsy. Message-ID: <qZHa7.140$sg.65523@nnrp3.sbc.net>  K What I see when I make a socket connection on port 23 to my VMS host is the & following sequence of bytes (decimal):   027[c27\27Z27[0c  K and, from what I can figure out, these are requests to send a terminal type B back to the host. However, I have not seen additional requests forF information, and I wonder if, when I send my terminal information backE (something like 27[?1;2c for a VT100), I also need to send answerbackjK information. If so, I don't know the format which the host expects from thee	 terminal.n  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message- news:ke8NUP4Umhny@eisner.encompasserve.org...t? > In article <MLva7.477$%u4.10143@nnrp1.sbc.net>, "Glenn Wiens"e <gwiens@swbell.net> writes: L > > When I am negotiating terminal options during logon to VMS, I am looking > > for: > >rK > > 1. What byte sequence signals my program to send the answerback string.I IsF > > it part of the DO/DONT/WILL/WONT stuff or is there another signal? > >v > > andg > >tA > > 2. What bytes I should send along with the answerback string.h >tK > If, and only if, the VMS machine in question does a SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE,tH > you need to send back the proper responses for whatever supported typeF > of terminal you are capable of emulating.  For the terminal emulatorD > that comes with Windows, that is the null set.  The responses varyC > considerably depending on the family of terminals involved.  VT527 > is different from VT100. >"@ > IIRC, this has nothing at all to do with answerback.  Some VMS? > utilities block answerback inquiries for reasons of security.e > @ > All in all, you might be better just doing a SET TERMINAL onceD > you are logged in (or in your LOGIN.COM file, if the same terminal > is used all the time.  >i   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.429 ************************