1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 06 Aug 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 434       Contents: Alpha-IA64 FAQ( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( RE: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate, Re: Apache on VMS - httpd.conf and .htaccess2 AT&T wireless in Canada (Rogers) down for 12 hours6 Re: AT&T wireless in Canada (Rogers) down for 12 hours6 Re: AT&T wireless in Canada (Rogers) down for 12 hours# Re: Attaching a new DLT tape loader $ Re: Few People in DEC Understood....$ Re: Few People in DEC Understood....$ Re: Few People in DEC Understood....$ Re: Few People in DEC Understood....D Free VT terminal emulators supporting DRCS downloadable characters ? Re: Goodbye, good friend DEC+ How to build a bootable media for a 11/780?  Re: IA64 Rocks My World = Just got this and wanted to pass it on - tech tip from MindIQ  making DLT Drives cluster wide" Re: making DLT Drives cluster wide" Re: making DLT Drives cluster wide" Re: making DLT Drives cluster wide Microsoft and Code red Re: Microsoft and Code red Mulinet and TCPware  Re: Mulinet and TCPware  Re: openssh D Re: Problems installing Hobbyist Version of Vax OpenVMS - Any Ideas?, Re: Quick DCL question - maximum open files? Re: Quorum Disk Questions  Re: Quorum Disk Questions 8 Re: Rare occasions with a FAB/RAB error occurs with DBMS Re: Reboot to close a file ????  Re: Reboot to close a file ???? B Regional VMS employment status ?, was: Re: VMS expertise availableF Re: Regional VMS employment status ?, was: Re: VMS expertise availableF Re: Regional VMS employment status ?, was: Re: VMS expertise availableF Re: Regional VMS employment status ?, was: Re: VMS expertise available% Re: REQ: VMS Baseball Cap (Help Sue?)  Re: Simple DCL query Re: Sun keep 'em coming 
 SYBASE on VMS  Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] TCPIP cluster alias  Re: TCPIP cluster alias  Re: TCPIP cluster alias  Re: Third postcard from Sun  Re: Third postcard from Sun  Re: trapping telnet disconnects  VMS LK-xxx Terminal Emulator  Re: VMS LK-xxx Terminal Emulator Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?; Re: You Get What You Pay For, a.k.a., There's No Free Lunch < Re: [OT] Market corrections (was Re: Alpha: an invitation to< Re: [OT] Market corrections (was Re: Alpha: an invitation to !
 Re: !  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:32:22 GMT & From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@tru64.org> Subject: Alpha-IA64 FAQ < Message-ID: <q7wb7.9210$xj.1504287@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>  F I've started a FAQ with information about the Alpha to IPF transition.  3 http://www2.tru64.org/pages.php?page=Alpha-IA64-FAQ   H Feel free to offer any questions or suggestions.  I'll do my best to get them answered.   Ken    -- Ken Farmer, kfarmer@tru64.org  Tru64.org, http://www.tru64.org ( Nothing runs faster than Tru64 on Alpha!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:22:58 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate * Message-ID: <3B6E7002.C5264FDB@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,  > J > >>> Actually I did, I have pointed out that we have fixed the problem by > re-designing the cache. <<<  > M > Well now, see - thats all many have been asking ie. Sun to admit there is a + > problem and then come up with a real fix.  >   > We owned up to the problem some time ago and the fix has also  been available for some time.   A When are you going to own up to WildFire not delivering anything  A like its performance claims and provide a fix for the problem ???   I > Thats the first part of the solution ie. the technical parts of the CPU > > cards have been fixed - I asumme by adding ECC to the cache? > F > Now, the most important part is - can existing Customers call up andJ > schedule replacement of all their CPU's that have exhibited the problems > over the last year or two ?  >   > Yes, though many will allready have had their modules replaced: since we have been trying to do this on a proactive basis.  ; So having covered off the eache issue, whats your proactive 8 fix for WildFire ? Are you going to offer customers free8 upgrades to an IA-64 based system as soon as OpenVMS is 8 ported or are you going to offer them free Marvel boxes   to replace their WildFires ?????   regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:31:33 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate * Message-ID: <3B6E7205.C9421EDB@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,  > L > >>> The number of 600ns quoted by Compaq as the idle latency of an E10K isI > not a number that originates from Sun, it does not appear in any of our K > white papers or product literature. The average latency of the first E10K L > which had an 83 Mhz backplane was 505 ns, but by the time the Compaq whiteN > paper was published Sun had been shipping E10K's with 100 Mhz backplanes for9 > some time and the memory latency had dropped to ~440ns.  > K > Where the 600ns came from is anyones guess but its the lowest number that 0 > makes Compaqs %local %remote calculation work. > <<<  > A > You say the 600ns number does not appear in any of your WP's???  >  > What about this !! > @ > http://www.sun.com/solutions/hpc/performance/architecture.htmlM > - For systems requiring up to 64 processors -- a sophisticated interconnect M > called the Gigaplane-XB has been developed. Combining a 16x16 data crossbar M > switch with 4-way parallel point-to-point address routers, the Gigaplane-XB H > achieves bandwidth of up to 10.5 GB/s, latencies of 400 to 600 ns, and! > supports up to 64 processors. "  >  > Back to you .. >   E Ohh dear Kerry, note the up to 600ns and note the 10.5 GB/s. This was  the C origional E10K and if you use the measure Compaq was employed (Idle  latency)E the actual latency of this system was 505 ns not 600. But all of this E is imaterial because by the time your marketeers wrote the offending  A white paper the E10K had been upgraded for around a year and its  F memory latency using the measure your marketeers were using was ~440ns not 600.  = You can wriggle as much as you like Kerry, it does not alter  B the fact that the offending "white paper" is wrong, it would have * been wrong even with the old E10K numbers.  @ Incedentally the "Near UMA" claim in the white paper also turns  out to be a sick joke as well.   Back to you :):):):):)     Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 10:40:31 -0400+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> 1 Subject: RE: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate R Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4D4955C@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew, Andrew ...  J >>> The number of 600ns quoted by Compaq as the idle latency of an E10K isK >>> not a number that originates from Sun, it does not appear in any of our ( >>> white papers or product literature.   I You clearly stated the 600nsec number did not appear in any of your white E papers and that the number was a fabrication on the behalf of Compaq.   H I gave you a direct quote and pointer from a Sun WP which clearly states! 400-600nsec as per the following:   D >>> > http://www.sun.com/solutions/hpc/performance/architecture.html@ > - For systems requiring up to 64 processors -- a sophisticated interconnectD > called the Gigaplane-XB has been developed. Combining a 16x16 data crossbar@ > switch with 4-way parallel point-to-point address routers, the Gigaplane-XBH > achieves bandwidth of up to 10.5 GB/s, latencies of 400 to 600 ns, and! > supports up to 64 processors. "   D So, are you ready to admit that you made a mistake and that Compaq'sI statement was based on information directly from Sun or do you feel it is ? Compaq's responsibility to keep Sun's white papers up to date ?    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]  Sent: August 6, 2001 6:32 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 Subject: Re: Alpha: an invitation to communicate       "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,  > L > >>> The number of 600ns quoted by Compaq as the idle latency of an E10K isI > not a number that originates from Sun, it does not appear in any of our K > white papers or product literature. The average latency of the first E10K L > which had an 83 Mhz backplane was 505 ns, but by the time the Compaq whiteJ > paper was published Sun had been shipping E10K's with 100 Mhz backplanes for 9 > some time and the memory latency had dropped to ~440ns.  > K > Where the 600ns came from is anyones guess but its the lowest number that 0 > makes Compaqs %local %remote calculation work. > <<<  > A > You say the 600ns number does not appear in any of your WP's???  >  > What about this !! > @ > http://www.sun.com/solutions/hpc/performance/architecture.html@ > - For systems requiring up to 64 processors -- a sophisticated interconnectD > called the Gigaplane-XB has been developed. Combining a 16x16 data crossbar@ > switch with 4-way parallel point-to-point address routers, the Gigaplane-XBH > achieves bandwidth of up to 10.5 GB/s, latencies of 400 to 600 ns, and! > supports up to 64 processors. "  >  > Back to you .. >   E Ohh dear Kerry, note the up to 600ns and note the 10.5 GB/s. This was  the C origional E10K and if you use the measure Compaq was employed (Idle  latency)E the actual latency of this system was 505 ns not 600. But all of this E is imaterial because by the time your marketeers wrote the offending  A white paper the E10K had been upgraded for around a year and its  F memory latency using the measure your marketeers were using was ~440ns not 600.  = You can wriggle as much as you like Kerry, it does not alter  B the fact that the offending "white paper" is wrong, it would have * been wrong even with the old E10K numbers.  @ Incedentally the "Near UMA" claim in the white paper also turns  out to be a sick joke as well.   Back to you :):):):):)     Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:49:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate , Message-ID: <3B6EBC95.E96614B3@videotron.ca>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:J > I gave you a direct quote and pointer from a Sun WP which clearly states# > 400-600nsec as per the following:     L Mr Main, if I worked hard enough, I could probably find a quote stating that VMS runs at 0.9 VUPS.   K Mt Harrisson stated multiple times that Sun has upgraded their motherboards F some time ago to have lower memory latency. And Compaq have *slightly*> improved VMS performance sicne the days of the Microvax II :-)  M You can go back in time as far as you want to find a competitor's performance ? numbers lower than your own. And while I grant you that getting K always-up-to-date documents may not be an easy task, I think that you could N have simply stated that Compaq probably got outdated information with which toM make its comparison against Sun instead of starting a "my dick is bigger than  yours" contest with Andrew.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:37:12 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)5 Subject: Re: Apache on VMS - httpd.conf and .htaccess 2 Message-ID: <c4xb7.615$Yx2.14747@news.cpqcorp.net>  9 I can't duplicate the configuration the original question 8 was about: but if a comparison helps any, I have a BA3502 cabinet connected to a Celebris GL 6200 PC running: Windows NT 4 SP3 and an old Adaptec AHA-154X Plug and Play5 SCSI Host Adaptor (that's how NT identifies it) which : is working just fine.  I didn't have to do anything except format the disks under NT.  7 As you look at the front of the cabinet where the disks 6 plug in, oriented normally (power supply at the bottom4 and the two 50 pin SCSI connectors facing you at the5 top), the cable plugs into the one on the left.  This 8 is for a shelf configured for use as a single bus (since5 this is the system I use for work I'd rather not shut 6 it down and dismantle the cabinet to look for jumpers,# if any, unless it's really urgent).   6 Although people do answer questions about StorageWorks7 here, I agree you might get better answers in a Windows : conference, or possibly even in a Linux on Intel platforms conference.    --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:36:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ; Subject: AT&T wireless in Canada (Rogers) down for 12 hours , Message-ID: <3B6ED57E.1F1874B4@videotron.ca>  L During the weekend, Canada's largest wireless network was down from coast to coast for about 11-12 hours.  L Today, the newspapers are having a field day with this, especially since oneM ecoterrorist group claimed responsability in retaliation for Bush's renegging ' on the USA's promise to abide by Kyoto. N (Rogers denies the problem could have been caused by external forces/hackers).> Nevertheless, Rogers still says it doesn't know what happened.  ? But there is an interesting tidbit in a Globe and Mail article:    ##> The company was still investigating the internal causes of the9 problem Sunday afternoon and hoped a conference call with H Compaq computer representatives would clear up any unanswered questions. ##  H Could this have been a VMS related problem (since VMS is supposedly usedG widely in wireless) ? Any chance that we might hear about the technical @ details of this problem to prevent it from happening elsewhere ?  G I remember some VMS consultant (now seeking employement) providing some I technical insight on a major outage of a certain VMS based e- stock trade C company some years ago and felt that that was valuable information.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:49:49 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ? Subject: Re: AT&T wireless in Canada (Rogers) down for 12 hours ; Message-ID: <7NAb7.14633$jA2.1083825@news20.bellglobal.com>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3B6ED57E.1F1874B4@videotron.ca...K > During the weekend, Canada's largest wireless network was down from coast  to > coast for about 11-12 hours. > J > Today, the newspapers are having a field day with this, especially since one E > ecoterrorist group claimed responsability in retaliation for Bush's 	 renegging ) > on the USA's promise to abide by Kyoto. ? > (Rogers denies the problem could have been caused by external  forces/hackers).@ > Nevertheless, Rogers still says it doesn't know what happened. > A > But there is an interesting tidbit in a Globe and Mail article:  >  > ##@ > The company was still investigating the internal causes of the; > problem Sunday afternoon and hoped a conference call with J > Compaq computer representatives would clear up any unanswered questions. > ## > J > Could this have been a VMS related problem (since VMS is supposedly usedI > widely in wireless) ? Any chance that we might hear about the technical B > details of this problem to prevent it from happening elsewhere ? > I > I remember some VMS consultant (now seeking employement) providing some K > technical insight on a major outage of a certain VMS based e- stock trade E > company some years ago and felt that that was valuable information.   J I would love to be a fly on the wall at the post mortem of this one. FirstG off, I doubt that this could be caused by VMS but anything is possible. J However, you don't know how many times I've heard of groups that refuse toF do ongoing maintenance (like RMS file conversion, Oracle tuning, etc.)  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,s Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:57:37 GMTE2 From: Dave S <dave.senestraro@zxc.xx.solveris.com>? Subject: Re: AT&T wireless in Canada (Rogers) down for 12 hours.3 Message-ID: <3B6EDA1F.10F7DDD0@zxc.xx.solveris.com>2  H Most likely Tandem - There are a number of Tandem systems used to manageR information movement between switches. Most VMS systems used in the wireless world% are used for Customer/Billing systems    dave   JF Mezei wrote:d  N > During the weekend, Canada's largest wireless network was down from coast to > coast for about 11-12 hours. >nN > Today, the newspapers are having a field day with this, especially since oneO > ecoterrorist group claimed responsability in retaliation for Bush's reneggingt) > on the USA's promise to abide by Kyoto.gP > (Rogers denies the problem could have been caused by external forces/hackers).@ > Nevertheless, Rogers still says it doesn't know what happened. >eA > But there is an interesting tidbit in a Globe and Mail article:  >  > ##@ > The company was still investigating the internal causes of the; > problem Sunday afternoon and hoped a conference call withiJ > Compaq computer representatives would clear up any unanswered questions. > ## > J > Could this have been a VMS related problem (since VMS is supposedly usedI > widely in wireless) ? Any chance that we might hear about the technicalpB > details of this problem to prevent it from happening elsewhere ? >pI > I remember some VMS consultant (now seeking employement) providing someiK > technical insight on a major outage of a certain VMS based e- stock tradeaE > company some years ago and felt that that was valuable information.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:42:24 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>:, Subject: Re: Attaching a new DLT tape loader; Message-ID: <bGAb7.14611$jA2.1080066@news20.bellglobal.com>a  < "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote in message! news:3B6DEC5A.E252D594@fsi.net...m > Nivlesh Chandra wrote: > > G > > I have a MicroVax 4000 system. It has a external single tape loaderhK > > atttached to it. We recently purchased a DLT Tape Loader and this is tooD > > replace the single tape loader. My problem is that I do not know anythingL > > about how to go about making the system use this new tape loader. I haveI > > attached the DLT tape loader to where the single tape loader was. The6 DLT>K > > Tape loader is on SCSI 0 (that is what is shown at the back).. but I doa not.G > > know what it means and I do not know how to check if the system hast detectedG > > that there is a DLT Tape loader attached to the system. Can someonea point meK > > to approriate literature about attaching and making the system deetct a  newr> > > hardware ... or can someone help me go about doing this... > >f' > > Your help would be most appreciated- >-
 > Um, WOW! > G > Well, first you need to read up on SCSI id.'s and what they mean. Tryo6 > starting with http://www.computer-guru.com/scsi.html >mH > That aside, if you set your new "DLT loader" to SCSI Id 0, the same asH > your old one was, the device(s) should (famous last words) at least be > seen.  > L The new devices would only be seen only if the system was rebooted after theJ new device was added. Since many people (myself included) add SCSI devices; to VAXs without doing this, you need to do the following...e   $mcr sysgenx autoconfig all exit  I Now I have seen certain times where one SCSI device won't replace anothernG one, so maybe you should change the DLT loader's SCSI to something elsee5 (other than 7) and then try the SYSGEN command again.e  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,e Ontario, Canada.! http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:02:36 +0200e, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>- Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood.... & Message-ID: <3B6E6B3B.EB9B2B3C@gmx.ch>   David Cressey wrote: > M > This is a tangent off of the Ken Olsen and history thread, which itself wasn > a tangent. > J > There are a lot of products that DEC made about which people in DEC saidJ > "few people in DEC understood how good, important, powerful, and elegantG > this product was".  Or maybe "few people understood what it was for".r/ > All-in-one was mentioned in the other thread.n > 7 > Here's a list of products I've heard that said about:a >  > All-in-one > Rdb1 > ACMS > The Common Data dictionary > Datatrieve   VMSnotes   :-)R   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:23:53 +0200o, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>- Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood.... & Message-ID: <3B6E7038.D2987170@gmx.ch>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > K > I was in the field when the "Charlotte Package", which later evolved intoh > All-In-One showed up.f  9 Thanks to Bob "Yellow 911 Porsche" Wyman and his friends.y   D.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:26:02 +0000 (UTC)' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) - Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood....h+ Message-ID: <9km5ta$g3n$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>i  \ In article <3B6AE4BB.7F5FE182@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >"Main, Kerry" wrote:eM >> For those that want a clustered, fully load balanced (across multi-site ifwL >> required), 64bit very secure email system that is free from the x86 based >> server virus's of the day,i >cO >Sorry, but ALL-IN-1 or PMDF might be immune from DOS/NT viruses, but they will1O >happily deliver messages to users on PCs and if those message contain a virus,eO >tough luck. Furthermore, when your server runs on a non-standard platform suchnO >as VMS, the odds of having the latest and greatest virus detection for inboundKJ >and outbound emails are next to nil, so it is in fact harder to interceptK >viruses at the server level before thei are delivered to the end users andc >ruin their PC.h >s  J The odds of having the latest and greatest virus detection for inbound andD outbound emails are exactly the same as for any windows platform !!!< For instance use Sweep from Sophos see http://www.sophos.com  J Sweep runs on multiple platforms including VMS and many varieties of Unix.M The software is released simultaneously for all platforms on a single CD oncepL per month (also available via web download). Identity files to identify new M viruses between CD releases are available in a standard format usable by all i" platforms from the sophos website.  F Sophos are generally regarded as one of the better anti-virus software
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 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:49:40 +0000 (UTC)' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)7- Subject: Re: Few People in DEC Understood....n+ Message-ID: <9km79k$g3n$2@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>u  ` In article <GHKk0sD825yX@malvm6.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:( >In article <3B6C0199.DEEEB75@GCE.com>, 2 >   "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> writes: >0 >cC >   We now use three dedicated Dual-processor Pentium servers, soonbB >to be backed with a fibre channel raid array, to support the sameE >mail volume that used to be handled by an Alphastation 500/500 whichpA >was also running web service, Oracle and several other chores ).mB >On the bright side I've been told that when we finish the upgradeB >to Exchange 2000 ( if they can get past the problem of the serverA >shutting down when you try to import a maibox ) we will actually ? >be able to use clustered servers in a meaningful fashion - tryi >that on VMS ;-) >t  N You mean Microsoft has decided to fix the limit on the number of users you can, have in an active-active cluster after all ?   "e  - >       * No More Than 1000 Users In Cluster?a >nF > This item was contributed by Steve Bink. His web site is at the end. >uH > "As earlier discussed in Exchange forums, Microsoft is likely going toC > advise not to have more then 1000 users connected to a node in an E > active/active cluster. This was first mentioned in Win2k magazine's D > exchange newsletter by Jerry Cochran. When I read that, I was justF > finished designing a 3000 users per node active/active cluster basedC > on MS and Compaq docs. I never saw anything on this limitation in B > the Docs. I tried to contact Jerry Cochran, but he didn't reply. >lC > So I posted questions in forums and someone contacted me and saidsB > it was true, he was in MS "non disclosure agreement" so couldn'tB > say to much. It seems that there were concerns in fail-over whenF > using more than 1000 users a node. He also said when SP1 is released> > the Docs will be updated with this new limit advisory. I wasC > disappointed in the Scalability and "Enterprise"-ness of Exchange B > 2000 and was still hoping in some way it was a misunderstanding.> > I contacted Microsoft Engineers in Holland, they didn't knowA > anything about this, but when they contacted US engineers I got  > the truth: > 
 > The Bug: >/G > When MAPI clients (Outlook) connect to Exchange 2000 box it fragments D > the memory, when a lot MAPI clients do this all memory is claimed.E > So in an active/active cluster, when a node fails over to the otherrF > active node, the STORE.EXE fails to start because there is no memory > available. >v > The workaround:t) >> - Use no more then 1000 users per noded! > - use an active/passive cluster E > - manually restart STORE.EXE on the working node, so memory will benF >   freed and start unfragmented, then fail over. (Yeah right, so much >   for High Availability) > 
 > The Fix: > G > Maybe in sp1 (small chance it will be released in July) Maybe as pre-aH > sp2 hotfix Maybe never cause the problem is deep in Exchange. More at:7 > http://www.w2knews.com/rd/rd.cfm?id=062801-ClusterBug  >e "y   For more info see :- e  6 http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/Bink.nu/exchange_2000.htm  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:10:07 GMT B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>M Subject: Free VT terminal emulators supporting DRCS downloadable characters ?)2 Message-ID: <zOvb7.233$NJ6.187@www.newsranger.com>  I Which free VT terminal emulators support DRCS downloadable characters and48 have an overall VT emulation good enough for using VMS ?  + Platform can be any of VMS, Linux or Win98.t  B If the answer to this is none, does anybody have an idea about how; easy/hard it would be to add this to something like xterm ?c   Thanks for any information,    Simon.   -- i; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPfK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered apE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:42:40 +0200e, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>% Subject: Re: Goodbye, good friend DECt& Message-ID: <3B6E74A0.F407CB05@gmx.ch>   Alan Greig wrote:w ../..w/ > I'd like to take a moment and say "thank you" E > to the thousands of brilliant people who worked at DEC and wish you = > all the best, wherever life takes you. It was a great ride.   + (I do not consider myself brilliant but...)s   You're welcome.i   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:41:25 -0000  From: sword7@speakeasy.org4 Subject: How to build a bootable media for a 11/780?. Message-ID: <tmt43lqe4ajb8@corp.supernews.com>   Hello folks:  G Since I have a CD only about OpenVMS v7.2, I need instructions to build D the bootable media to install OpenVMS v7.2 on a 11/780.  Does anyone  have any information about that?  C Do a 11/780 read CD drive or so for installing OpenVMS v7.2 from a   scratch?  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   -- l, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:11:55 +0100n0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>  Subject: Re: IA64 Rocks My World* Message-ID: <3B6EC1CB.78B25430@uk.sun.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,i > J > >>> On second thoughts, if you stop claiming that its a perfectly normalL > tuning procedure with the added benefit of providing HA (though you didn'tG > configure it that way) then I am perfectly happy to stop calling it ar > loophole.<<< > L > Sigh, repeat after me .. Oracle OPS was designed for not only availability > but also scalability.  >   8 Kerry you wandered into the truth zone accidentally but 5 since you are in there lets keep you on the straight n and narrow for a bit.o  9 The "but also scalability" is the operational phrase. OPS09 does deliver scalability but not in all circumstances and@; not without significant cost. You would have your customersn8 beleive that it is a universal solution for scalability.   K > If you disagree with this, I would be glad to forward your concerns on too? > the Oracle support folks who will explain all of this to you.g >   5 Do so but also let them know that you consider it to o3 be the universal solution to Oracle performance, I e7 think you will find that this will worry them somewhat.r  G > As stated many times here now, there are many ways to acheive a giveneM > performance number. In your view, the only way is for a big single instance K > server and it upsets you that even the TPC Council agrees there are other : > ways for a single server to acheive the same big result. >o  B Perhaps if you had been able to use this performance trick for the? other big OLTP benchmarks that you have run your position woulde? be more credible and your results better. As it is you have not D been able to use OPS for things like SAP or Oracle Apps undermining : both your position on the use of OPS and your performance  story.  r Regards  Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT Architecti   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 13:50:39 -04002 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com>F Subject: Just got this and wanted to pass it on - tech tip from MindIQ2 Message-ID: <qNAb7.629$Yx2.15285@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dear Newsgroup,a  F I am back from vacation and going through a load of mail.  I have justI recevied the following and wanted to pass it along, it might be useful toe some of the newer users # Technical Tip of the Month: OpenVMS4  D OpenVMS Users: Rooted directories, although typically used mostly by  I OpenVMS, can easily be used to extend the depth of subdirectories you cane  E support. Just end your directory with a "dot", and you can add 8 morec  G levels to that directory. This can be useful in creating structures forn  " backups and project consolidation.  C Example: $ DEFINE/SYS USR$ROOT1: $3$DISK300:[THIS.IS.A.ROOTED.DIR.]a  6 From here, you can create 8 more levels using the form  3 USR$ROOT1:[ONE.TWO.THREE.FOUR.FIVE.SIX.SEVEN.EIGHT]e  H Legal Stuff: The information provided is for informational purposes only  D and MindIQ makes no warranties, either express or implied, as to the  J accuracy of such information or its fitness to be used for your particular  F purpose. 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Send us your comments and suggestions on how we can make a better    newsletter for you.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2001 08:55:16 -0700 ' From: postmaster@roblock.com (Rob Lock)p' Subject: making DLT Drives cluster wideu= Message-ID: <8b0a76c5.0108060755.6e40b988@posting.google.com>   D I have just added a new DLT drive to a five node OVMS Alpha cluster.  E  This drive acan be seen by the local node to which it is connected ,h but not by any other node.  )  Can anyone tell me how to remedy this  ?w     Ta   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2001 16:19:40 GMTi) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)o+ Subject: Re: making DLT Drives cluster wide ' Message-ID: <9kmg2s$rim$1@joe.rice.edu>a  ( Rob Lock (postmaster@roblock.com) wrote:F : I have just added a new DLT drive to a five node OVMS Alpha cluster. :cG :  This drive acan be seen by the local node to which it is connected ,  : but not by any other node. :0+ :  Can anyone tell me how to remedy this  ?e : ? I don't have access to an ALPHA at the moment, but from memory,fD you should set the TMSCP_LOAD and TMSCP_SERVE_ALL sysgen parameters:    o TMSCP_LOAD should be 1n#  o TMSCP_SERVE_ALL should be 1 or 2.   --Jerry Leslie     a   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2001 09:16:11 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)u+ Subject: Re: making DLT Drives cluster widen, Message-ID: <2pAbhPKef5ET@malvm6.mala.bc.ca>  g In article <8b0a76c5.0108060755.6e40b988@posting.google.com>, postmaster@roblock.com (Rob Lock) writes:hF > I have just added a new DLT drive to a five node OVMS Alpha cluster. > G >  This drive acan be seen by the local node to which it is connected ,l > but not by any other node. > + >  Can anyone tell me how to remedy this  ?u  +   Set the SYSGEN parameter TMSCP_LOAD to 1.   0   Set the SYSGEN parameter TMSCP_SERVE_ALL to 1.  5   ( see HELP System_Param inside SYSGEN for alternatep values for TMSCP_SERVE_ALL ).   <   The recommended way to set these values is to include them3 in SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT and run AUTOGEN. You'llm0 need to reboot for these changes to take effect.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:33:25 +0100h( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>+ Subject: Re: making DLT Drives cluster wideo) Message-ID: <3B6EC6D5.BACF5490@127.0.0.1>e   Rob Lock wrote:  > F > I have just added a new DLT drive to a five node OVMS Alpha cluster. > G >  This drive acan be seen by the local node to which it is connected ,  > but not by any other node. > + >  Can anyone tell me how to remedy this  ?n   In MODPARAMS.DAT:d   TMSCP_LOAD = 1 TMSPC_SERVE_ALL = 1i   Give consideration toa   TAPE_ALLOCLASS  ; AUTOGEN and REBOOT the system with the tape drive attached.e  A You didn't identify your VMS version, but IIRC there are some 6.2- patches around TMSCP serving.o  D Interesting fact: tapes are TMSCP served even if STARTUP_P1 is "MIN"  C Allows data recovery in minimum systems, assuming of course you can6E still boot _this_ system with the attached drive as a cluster member.fG For belt and braces (i.e. if this system disk failed) consider building % a satellite boot root on another axp.C   -- b( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:06:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o Subject: Microsoft and Code rede+ Message-ID: <3B6ECE73.C5851A6@videotron.ca>a  I As you may be aware, there is a new more virulent worm making the circlestN which enables the ISS server as a glorified TELNET server goving you access to the NT command prompt.  G For the past 4-5 days, my ISP has been swamped by the virus which makesRJ connection attempts to every possible IP. As a result, for almost every IPK request, the routers generate an ARP request to try to learn which ethernetaL interface on the cable modem network has that IP since for the vast majorityM of cases, the IP address is unkown to the ARP table.  The lights are flashing-L constantly on the cable modem. I don't run any MS operating systems, so I amH not affraid, however, it is anoying because of the significant amount ofK traffic on the lan this adds (I am trying to isolate a problem with a hub).,  L Could this be the achile's heel that starts to bring down Microsoft, or willN corporations ignore this major flaw and continue to blindly bet their business on Microsoft stuff ?  B What will it take for corporations to wake up from their MicrosoftL trans/brainwashing and realise that they shouldn't be betting their business on MS software ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 13:06:56 -0400v- From: "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org>v# Subject: Re: Microsoft and Code redc# Message-ID: <sb6e9694.052@aaas.org>a  L I'd like to think that this will be the wakeup call most IT Managers need, =
 but it won't.i  H Melissa should have been the wakeup call. IT Managers should have done =L their due dilligance and realized that writing applications (MS Office) in =G a programming langugage, and then giving those applications their own =xL scripting langugage (that is what they were written in) with no abstraction=H  layer is a horrible idea. They all should have stuck with Word Perfect.  C I mean, isn't it wonderful that you can use your Word Processor's =uH scripting langugage to write a virus that cripples the corporate world = time and time again.  H It won't change anyone's mind. No one holds Microsoft accountable. The =E entire 24.0.0.0 network is under seige, but no one will learn their =h lesson.n  ; Don't worry - once XP comes out it will just get worse. <G>n  E >>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 08/06/2001 1:06:01 PM >>>yI As you may be aware, there is a new more virulent worm making the circles(F which enables the ISS server as a glorified TELNET server goving you =	 access tor the NT command prompt.  G For the past 4-5 days, my ISP has been swamped by the virus which makes.J connection attempts to every possible IP. As a result, for almost every IPD request, the routers generate an ARP request to try to learn which = ethernetE interface on the cable modem network has that IP since for the vast =b majorityF of cases, the IP address is unkown to the ARP table.  The lights are = flashingK constantly on the cable modem. I don't run any MS operating systems, so I =c amH not affraid, however, it is anoying because of the significant amount ofG traffic on the lan this adds (I am trying to isolate a problem with a =e hub).m  I Could this be the achile's heel that starts to bring down Microsoft, or =a willG corporations ignore this major flaw and continue to blindly bet their =n business on Microsoft stuff ?  B What will it take for corporations to wake up from their MicrosoftE trans/brainwashing and realise that they shouldn't be betting their =1 business on MS software ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:15:40 +0200$ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> Subject: Mulinet and TCPware Message-ID: <3b6ea68d$1@hcwe67>    Hello,  K can somebody explain to me in short words, what the main difference betweenoJ these products of the same company is? Is there a way to use this products= additional features without replacing Compaqs TCPIP Services?a   best regards   Jakobd   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 15:43:30 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)   Subject: Re: Mulinet and TCPware1 Message-ID: <3b6eba08.180086650@news.process.com>s  H On Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:15:40 +0200, "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> wrote:   >Hello,. > L >can somebody explain to me in short words, what the main difference between' >these products of the same company is?d  F A little historical context might be helpful.  They were once owned byB separate companies, but a few years ago, Process Software acquiredG MultiNet from Cisco to join the existing Process product TCPware.  EacheH product had its own, large customer base, so we've continued to maintain both products.  I The current user-visible differences between the products are seen mostlylI in the management and user interfaces.  TCPware's is more DCL-like, whilehI MultiNet's interfaces are based on TOPS-20-style commands.  Both productsiH offer pretty much the same features (both have an SSH client and server,6 both have IPP, both have the usual TELNET, FTP, etc.).  $ >Is there a way to use this products> >additional features without replacing Compaqs TCPIP Services? >  No.    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/h   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 06:28:16 GMTh4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie) Subject: Re: openssh) Message-ID: <4Oqb7.5577$%L5.80133@insync>a  0 _jussi (jaakonaho@nospam.juhani.decus.fi) wrote: : hi, 4 : > is there a port of OpenSSH (client) for OpenVMS? : haven't seen that.9 : if you need a client, you could use fish. works nicely.CH : it used to be in:  http://www.free.lp.se/fish , but i seem not able toL : connect to it at the moment, but search "ssh client vms" and you should be : able to find right urls. :  : _jussi :   G It's available as fishu1006.zip via anonymous ftp from riceng.rice.edu,6" whose IP address is 128.42.105.4 .  % --Jerry Leslie   leslie@clio.rice.edun/                  leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.neta;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidS   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:10:28 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>M Subject: Re: Problems installing Hobbyist Version of Vax OpenVMS - Any Ideas?o( Message-ID: <9klml5$4dv$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  G If you've copied the savesets to a harddisks then you'd see files namedm VMS073.A, ...B ...C etc.J Assum that DKA200 is your target system disk and that your current default is the directory where the savesets are, then:,  $ $ backup/image vms073.b/save DKA200:  ( As soon as that's finished, >>> B DKA200 That should work.f   Hans1 <family.entwisle@btinternet.com> wrote in messageG, news:3b6d8fd3.1756057@news.btinternet.com... > Hi, < > I'm trying to install the Hobbyist version of OpenVMS on a > 4000/60 Vax. >s9 > My CD-ROM player didn't work (probably not 512bytes perr@ > sector), so I copied it to a hard-drive.  I can boot from thisE > harddrive, and install the save set onto the disk I want to installuG > to.  However, when I try to boot the second disk, I'm simply returned H > to the chevrons after about 10 seconds, with just a few blank lines onG > the screen.  If I do a SHOW DEV after this, the second hard drive has 4 > disappeared from the list (it was there before :-) >n> > Has anyone got any idea what extremely dense thing I'm doing > wrong :-)1 >8E > P.S.  Just won a MicroVAX 3800 on ebay (I know, I probably could of G > gotten it cheaper else where - but I'm too lazy to hunt around the UKaH > - sorry!) and I'm looking forward to playing with that, I just want toG > pre-empt its arrival by getting the 4000/60 up and running.  The 3800,G > - beautiful looking thing, I just want to wrap my arms around it - amg > I sad? >"	 > Cheers,1	 > Duncan.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:47:55 +01001* From: Ed Dennison <ed.dennison@compaq.com>5 Subject: Re: Quick DCL question - maximum open files?d) Message-ID: <3B6EA00B.B586D4A@compaq.com>>   David,  J     When the procedure you have written (to open files from DCL in a loop): terminates with no error message it would be worth doing -           $ Show Symbol $STATUSt  D     This should show you a value of %X100184D4 which translates to -  +         RMS-F-DME, dynmaic memory exhausted   L     A $ HELP/MESSAGE will then indicate that you need to increase the system9 parameter PIOPAGES. You could wade through the ouput frome  #     SDA> SHOW PROCESS/RMS=(PIO,ALL)e  S if you want to see what is in the process I/O segment area. Estimate about 10 to 15"Q pagelets on PIOPAGES for each file that you wish to open. But this does depend onnN all the other values you see on the $ SHOW RMS display (and all the underlying parameters).               Ed Dennisonb       David Spencer wrote:  @ > In article <spn97.400$Yx2.7834@news.cpqcorp.net>, Hoff Hoffman( > <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote: >tP > > In article <300720011613449556%spencer@spaamfree.recneps.com>, David Spencer+ > > <spencer@spaamfree.recneps.com> writes:eM > > :I tried looking through the documentation and the FAQ without results...t > >hF > >   OpenVMS version and platform?  (Yes, these can have an effect on > >   your particular limits.) > >iG > > :I just want to know, what's the maximum number of files that I canaD > > :open at once using a DCL command procedure? And is that tunable! > > :via parameters in authorize?h > >e7 > >   A simple loop would tell you your current limits.L > >nF > >   DCL channels are subject to the same CHANNELCNT system parameterD > >   settings and the same BYTLM and FILLM process settings as most > >   everything else I/O. > >m > > R > >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N > >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comR > >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------P > >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >-I > Thanks for jumping in Hoff. I talking about AXP/VMS 7.2-1. I've managed I > hit the wall at 28 simultaneous open files. I was hoping to get more iffD > I could.  CHANNELCNT is already at 32767. FILLM is at 300. HoweverE > BYTLM is not particularly large so I could increase that. Any other:
 > parameters?r >, > Thanks again,l >s > -- Dave Spencern   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:24:43 +0100u( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Questions) Message-ID: <3B6EC4CB.CBFD65F3@127.0.0.1>r   Nic Clews wrote:J > they actually get it wrong! I was taught using the BODMAS rule, BracketsE > Of, Multiply, Divide, Addition, Subtraction, yet I found the commone  6 Brackets, Of, Divide, Multiply, Addition, Subtraction.  ) Now you know why I ain't a mathematician.r  ( (My math teacher knew it all along). :-)   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot como   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:20:30 +0100t( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>" Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Questions) Message-ID: <3B6EC3CE.13B4F4D1@127.0.0.1>    Rob Young wrote: > @ >      They both work the same.  A = ( B + 2 ) / 2  , B = 2A - 2E >      C = (D / 2) + 1  , D = 2C - 2.... I'm not a purist kind of guyuG >      but if the algebra is here there and everywhere written one way,lF >      and we start introducing another "more simpler" way, that makesF >      it tougher for the kiddies.  Surely 9th grade algebra should beF >      a bare minimum to run a cluster.  Perhaps that is a good thing! >      Very good thing!   H What I've noticed is that when the 'equation' is on the board, and I askD folks to work out the results of (give them a few numbers) how oftenH they actually get it wrong! I was taught using the BODMAS rule, BracketsC Of, Multiply, Divide, Addition, Subtraction, yet I found the commona@ error was doing the division before the addition on _one_ of theH operands, and ignoring the purpose of the brackets! The other common one was rounding up!    H I agree with you though about 'varying' from the published, I illustrateH the theory of quorum and try to avoid the maths, then the purpose of theF equation makes some sense, and, amazingly, folks then start getting it< right! Maybe if I did math that way, I wouldn't be here! :-)  F > > >         But.... get rid of the Quorum Disk, adjust EV on the wayO > > >         up as outlined earlier.  Pick up Roy Davis' VAXCluster PrinciplesrE > > >         to give insight to all this (Yes, it is a bit dated bute) > > >         Principles are Principles!)  > >EH > > Oh, Rob, I would love a copy of this, any offer please, please throw7 > > them my way, I want a copy of this book - I'll pay.  > >c > J > http://www.alphabetstreet.infront.co.uk//cgi-bin/search?catid=1555581129I > http://www.alphabetstreet.infront.co.uk/cgi-bin/show?Key=alpha155558112r  F I hit proceed to checkout and filled in my details. I'll live in hope.    If it arrives, I owe you a beer.   > , > Sounds cool.. to get the class involved!    9 It encourages folks to take the computer's point of view!c  H Despite my years (both age and experience) I'm still learning about VMS.   -- i( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot comh   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:06:06 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>A Subject: Re: Rare occasions with a FAB/RAB error occurs with DBMS * Message-ID: <3B6E882E.6D6BD8D3@oracle.com>   barry - 4 	please contact oracle dbms support directly.  there: have been various problems over the years with rdb and rms? both running in executive mode.  I believe that we've correctedb> most all of this by the current version.  the folks in support should be able to help you out.l   	normo   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > F > Anyone have any stabs in the dark as to why once every couple monthsA > DBMS might burp with a FAB/RAB error?  Could this be related to  > exhausted quotas somewhere?L > ' > This occurs during program startup...  > 1 > %DBM-I-BUGCHKDMP, generating bugcheck dump file6# > SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]DBMBUGCHK.DMPe4 > %RMS-F-BUSY, user structure (FAB/RAB) still in use > 
 > Regards, >  > Barry    -- K> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Aug 2001 18:07:31 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ( Subject: Re: Reboot to close a file ????H Message-ID: <y4vgk1mat8.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  3 "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> writes:G  A > Dump files are single header but don't have to be contiguous.  R   Thanks for the clarification.e  D > Also the code has to be bullet proof in the case where the system < > bugchecks in the middle of updating the dumpfile pointers.   I thought I had said as much.u   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 18:45:58 +0100-+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>1( Subject: Re: Reboot to close a file ????' Message-ID: <3B6ED7D6.69164BE5@iee.org>r   JF Mezei wrote: K > But if engineers get feedback from real customers, then the engineers canjE > qualify that suggestion with their opinion on implementation issuesiG > (difficult, easy etc) when discussing the issue with the folks who do O > prioritize what should go in or not. Engineers can also talk to the customersDO > to get further information on why such and such a suggestion would be useful.   $ Speaking as someone who used to have) support as part of his role, just exactlyo' how much time do you think these peopleI$ have on their hands? There was never+ any spare time when I was doing developmentr( and/or handling problem reports. I doubt+ that things have become quieter lately ...!a  & From the outside I'm sure it does look( like "I have a simple request". From the( inside things often look very different.  M > When management layers process requests from customers, they don't have theaI > level of technological interaction and thus cannot qualify the customeroO > request nor do they have measn the request clarifications. And the managementrN > layers isolate the engineers from customers and make it harder for engineers( > to work on what customers really want.    Engineers never work on what the customers want: in any rationalh# organisation, the engineers work onv! what upper management has decidedi" they should be working on! It's up% to upper management to make the righta$ decision. (I'm not saying they will,& but the chances of getting N competent$ engineers to agree on which features( should be added is vanishingly small for N > 1!)r  ( Now, usually the engineers get some form% of input and its certainly useful forf them to understand the customerh' base (for example, by talking to them). ( But the engineers' role is not generally* to *decide* which neat feature should make* it to the next release (althought throwing& suggestions into the melting pot does 	 no harm).f  ) If you want some particular feature (e.g.a( changing the way dumping works) you need* to prod the system correctly. In this case) (assuming you are not such a big customerh( that your CEO's people can ring up their) CEO's people and discuss doing lunch ...)t+ you log a request via the CSC. If you don'tm+ have a support contract and are not willingi' to pay for one (or whatever it takes tou$ get something accepted on a per-call' basis) then you can go to Encompass and  see if they still do that " top-10-most-requested-SIRs thing.   % Or you could ring up and order a few c$ million dollars worth of kit as long# as they do whatever it is you want.b   Antoniop   -- o   ---------------,- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgt   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:55:35 GMTrB From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>K Subject: Regional VMS employment status ?, was: Re: VMS expertise available 2 Message-ID: <XAvb7.226$NJ6.213@www.newsranger.com>  , On Sun, 05 Aug 2001 04:24:27 GMT, in articleB <%T3b7.626$M3.98885@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, mulp wrote: >a; >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in messagea' >news:3B6B5773.106C5914@videotron.ca...= >> Keith Parris wrote: >> >K >> > I'm looking for a site which needs high-level VMS expertise, either on2$ >> > a contract or employment basis. >>J >> NOW *THAT* is depressing. If a guru such as Keith Parris is looking for >work,K >> the oddds of normal people finding VMS work are next to nil. :-( :-( :-(P >:-( >>L >Keith's problem is much like many of the other people with VMS experience -K >there is a surplus of people with VMS experience in the places were anyonerL >rational would want to live.  On the other hand, if you are willing to workK >in such "desirable" places as NYC, there are VMS jobs, but given the costs,B >of working in such places, the wages are effectively entry level.  J So just what is the VMS employment situation in the various regions of the planet ?   Simon.  A PS: BTW, just what kinds of costs are involved in living in NYC ?.   -- i; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPrK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered a E truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.m   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:39:04 -0300+ From: <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>oO Subject: Re: Regional VMS employment status ?, was: Re: VMS expertise available L Message-ID: <OF8D7D7640.4415AD96-ON03256AA0.00455630@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   In Brazil ? 0 (zero) jobs ! ! !r    H Just at Petrobras (me and another friend), and a few companies. Most of=   them are9 migrating from OpenVMS to other Unix brand (CPQ, Sun, HP) F About me ? I have a real job until July 2002. After this I dont know ! Vacations may be !   Regards8   F=E1bio Cardosol    H                                                                        =%                                   =20yH                     Simon Clubley                                      =%                                   =20rH                     <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-        Para:  =%  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com            =20lH                     Earth.UFP>                                  cc:    =%                                   =20 H                                                                 Assunto=% :     Regional VMS employment     =20oH                     06/08/2001 08:55                            status =% ?, was: Re: VMS expertise         =20iH                     Responder a Simon Clubley                   availab=% le                                =20 H                                                                        =%                                   =20sH                                                                        =%                                   =20o        , On Sun, 05 Aug 2001 04:24:27 GMT, in articleB <%T3b7.626$M3.98885@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, mulp wrote: > ; >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in messagey' >news:3B6B5773.106C5914@videotron.ca...  >> Keith Parris wrote: >> >H >> > I'm looking for a site which needs high-level VMS expertise, eithe= r on$ >> > a contract or employment basis. >>H >> NOW *THAT* is depressing. If a guru such as Keith Parris is looking = for  >work,H >> the oddds of normal people finding VMS work are next to nil. :-( :-(=  :-( >:-( >>H >Keith's problem is much like many of the other people with VMS experie= nceE -EH >there is a surplus of people with VMS experience in the places were an= yoneH >rational would want to live.  On the other hand, if you are willing to=   workH >in such "desirable" places as NYC, there are VMS jobs, but given the c= ostsB >of working in such places, the wages are effectively entry level.  H So just what is the VMS employment situation in the various regions of = thei planet ?   Simon.  A PS: BTW, just what kinds of costs are involved in living in NYC ?.   --; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP H In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discover= ed aE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.e     =    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:07:00 GMT-? From: "Mark \(un-MASK\) Forsyth" <forsyMhm@optusAhome.coSm.aKu>HO Subject: Re: Regional VMS employment status ?, was: Re: VMS expertise availableV" Message-ID: <9b7mk9.ksd.ln@really>  ' in Melbourne Australia...shitfull...;-(    Oorooe	 Mark F...o (unemployed)  G "Simon Clubley" <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> wrote iny4 message news:XAvb7.226$NJ6.213@www.newsranger.com...  	 [deletia]o  L > So just what is the VMS employment situation in the various regions of the
 > planet ? >  > Simon. > C > PS: BTW, just what kinds of costs are involved in living in NYC ?> >o > --= > Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP K > In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered  a G > truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:56:57 -0700l+ From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com>uO Subject: Re: Regional VMS employment status ?, was: Re: VMS expertise availablet1 Message-ID: <3B6EBE49.D00C8660@email.sps.mot.com>   L > So just what is the VMS employment situation in the various regions of the
 > planet ?  H Most VAX/VMS jobs in Arizona are for programmers. System admin type jobs8 are pretty scarce. Don't know what the going rates are.    Linda.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 08:47:59 -0600i= From: Arlen Williams <remove.arlen.williams@remove.sabre.com> . Subject: Re: REQ: VMS Baseball Cap (Help Sue?)0 Message-ID: <3B6E59BF.1C457A14@remove.sabre.com>  
 Jon wrote: >  > Hi,a > G >    I have (had) one of those great VMS caps and it self-destructed inrG > a coin-op washing machine.  Can someone give me a pointer as to where-H > to get another? (Sue?)  I got the original from a Compaq VMS team that  > came to our company.   Thanks!  U http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&DID=30&Product_ID=215810&CATID=194c   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2001 09:00:21 -0700l- From: afeldman@gfigroup.com (Alan E. Feldman)r Subject: Re: Simple DCL queryg< Message-ID: <af1e4ce6.0108060800.5b696e8@posting.google.com>   "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.21.0108020953430.23222-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>...( > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 hammond@not wrote: > [...] I > >+However, in this case I agree that these lines should start with "$".L > - >  Will agree before any other comments... ;) > >  Please do not inform me, that this is wrong practice - will% > NOT persuade into skipping the "$".h  d [snip]  : >  The third .01$: because IMHO the behaviour is NOT a bug7 > will expect that better is if will be continued, likeD3 > the allowed "unpaired" aphostrofe and quotations.<    F Actually, use of "unpaired apostrophes" was documented in a V5 manual, sort of.   From my Usenet archives:  
 [begin quote]6F =It *IS* bad coding practice. Could you please point out in which OVMS manual; =it states that the use of a single preceding apostrophe isa acceptable?t  B Try Figure 6-1 in section 6.1  of the DCL Concepts Manual, for VMS
 version 5. [end quote]   A I remember looking it up back then (1996) and sure enough, it wassD there. However, I do not currenlty have access to that manual. But ID did find an example in the V6.2 User's Manual Section C.6.2 in which@ the annotated procedure tells the user to call the procedure via  .     @GETPARAMS 'P1 'P2 'P3 'P4 'P5 'P6 'P7 'P8   Disclaimer: JMHO   -&) Alan E. Feldmant afeldman@gfigroup.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:38:31 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>-  Subject: Re: Sun keep 'em coming) Message-ID: <3B6E8FC6.E2D8657F@gtech.com>w   wanderer wrote:mH > Just a thought, what if an independent company would buy the rights toG > VMS and the layered products and port the stuff over to Sun hardware?#D > Mentec afterall bought the rights from Dec for the PDP based OS's.   What is the point ?a  A SPARC systems have a cache problem. Intel systems can not divide.e   No big difference IMHO.N   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:03:53 +0200$ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> Subject: SYBASE on VMS Message-ID: <3b6ea3ca$1@hcwe67>    Hi,n  I Sybase will soon stop its support for its DB product on OpenVMS. Is there 5 anybody out there, who is also effected by this step?Q   best regards   Jakob ErberD   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:32:08 +0200t* From: Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>' Subject: Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory]n7 Message-ID: <997093919.796809@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>i   Bob Koehler schrieb: > X > In article <3B6A1FB2.2F2FCECB@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes: > >.F > >> Why?  It's not standard on UNIX.  (Try it on Sun's Bourne shell). > >oF > > All that means is that Sun's implementation of sh is not standard. > >  > E > No, it means it's a shell standard, not a UNIX standard.  I've alsos0 > tried it on Tru64, AIX, and Irix, same result. > 3 > Do you know of anyone's Bourne shell that has ~ ?(  H The Bourne shell of FreeBSD (i'm running V3.1) is able to substitute theG tilde with the user's home directory (it simply replaces the ~ with thewG value of the shell's HOME variable - when you change HOME, ~ yields thep change).   Greetings, Ferry   -- e Ing. Ferry Bolhar-Nordenkampfg Municipality of Vienna Municipality Department 14
 A-1010 Viennar E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at   : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:41:32 +0200t= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ' Subject: Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory]f) Message-ID: <3B6E907C.8198F69D@gtech.com>y   JF Mezei wrote:o > Arne Vajhj wrote:B > > Send a suggestion to Compaq VMS Engineering for such a logical) > > (I think it should be SYS$LOGINROOT).o > > > I would much rather have a shorter notation to acheive this. > H > The idea is to make is quicker to refer to files below your sys$login.  : If it is typed interactive, then it is usally not so big a problem typing the full name.   9 The biggest benefit of such a logical is that it makes ite; easier to write COM-files that are portable among differentk
 usernames.  2 And for those cases the length is not a big issue.   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2001 13:22:58 GMTl1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)r' Subject: Re: SYS$LOGIN:[some.directory] , Message-ID: <9km5ni$1jvj$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  7 In article <997093919.796809@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>,b-  Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes:e |> Bob Koehler schrieb:i |> > a[ |> > In article <3B6A1FB2.2F2FCECB@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes:1 |> > >I |> > >> Why?  It's not standard on UNIX.  (Try it on Sun's Bourne shell).i |> > >I |> > > All that means is that Sun's implementation of sh is not standard.  |> > > |> > oH |> > No, it means it's a shell standard, not a UNIX standard.  I've also3 |> > tried it on Tru64, AIX, and Irix, same result.  |> > ,6 |> > Do you know of anyone's Bourne shell that has ~ ? |> -K |> The Bourne shell of FreeBSD (i'm running V3.1) is able to substitute the J |> tilde with the user's home directory (it simply replaces the ~ with theJ |> value of the shell's HOME variable - when you change HOME, ~ yields the |> change).  |> p  A /bin/sh on FreeBSD systems is not the Bourne Shell.  It is a very D different shell based on "ash" which was written by Kenneth Almquist and donated to Berkeley.  B The Bourne Shell never supported ~ and is not included in any free@ unix as it is not free software.  It was a Bell Labs product and= is included only in (and bound by) licensed versions of Unix.    bill   -- lJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   H   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:11:58 +0200$ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> Subject: TCPIP cluster alias Message-ID: <3b6e6d6f$1@hcwe67>-   Hello,  K I can't find a good documentation what and how you can configure the TCP/IPhF cluster alias for VMS (without using BIND). I thin, at the moment, allJ requests to the cluster alias are directed to the inpersonator Node, whichH does not change until this node goes down. Is this true? Are there otherD configuration options (round robin or random selection for example).   best regards   Jakob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:07:40 +0200u= From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl>h  Subject: Re: TCPIP cluster alias5 Message-ID: <3B6E888C.61A64369@contrastmediagroep.nl>    Jakob Erber wrote:  mM > I can't find a good documentation what and how you can configure the TCP/IP?H > cluster alias for VMS (without using BIND). I thin, at the moment, allL > requests to the cluster alias are directed to the inpersonator Node, whichJ > does not change until this node goes down. Is this true? Are there otherF > configuration options (round robin or random selection for example).  ? The alias you configured is for failover only. There is no loadrF balancing. For load balancing you need to use a BIND server. Just giveH the alias name the two IP addresses of the nodes in the cluster and BIND will round robin for you.   2 If you need more you can also use the load broker.   Regards,   Oswald   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 16:40:22 +0000 (UTC)' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)a  Subject: Re: TCPIP cluster alias+ Message-ID: <9kmh9m$jgv$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>u  u In article <3B6E888C.61A64369@contrastmediagroep.nl>, Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@contrastmediagroep.nl> writes:y >Jakob Erber wrote:e > N >> I can't find a good documentation what and how you can configure the TCP/IPI >> cluster alias for VMS (without using BIND). I thin, at the moment, alleM >> requests to the cluster alias are directed to the inpersonator Node, whichwK >> does not change until this node goes down. Is this true? Are there othermG >> configuration options (round robin or random selection for example).p >m@ >The alias you configured is for failover only. There is no loadG >balancing. For load balancing you need to use a BIND server. Just giveuI >the alias name the two IP addresses of the nodes in the cluster and BIND  >will round robin for you. >s3 >If you need more you can also use the load broker.s > 	 >Regards,p >a >Oswaldr    O Note. For round robin you can use any DNS it doesn't have to be running on the oN VMS system. For load balancing using the load broker and metric server you mayN require a VMS based primary DNS if you are using UCX 4.x but I believe clusterM load balancing with Dec TCPIP services 5.x will work with any recent version h' of BIND which supports dynamic updates.o    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 14:45:19 +0200d= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> $ Subject: Re: Third postcard from Sun) Message-ID: <3B6E915F.10FA841E@gtech.com>    Alan Greig wrote:eD > Plus I was just talking to a long serving DEC/Compaq field serviceG > engineer. Field service engineers are about the only Compaq employeesuD > with regular customer contact these days (other than the excellentB > service provided in c.o.v) and he says that customer response toA > recent events is near universally negative. Capellas says it is-0 > "unbelievably positive". I know who I believe.  D I think Compaq managements credibility has reached an all time low !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:06:05 -0400a# From: Paul DeMone <pdemone@igs.net>w$ Subject: Re: Third postcard from Sun' Message-ID: <3B6EB25D.80A0D784@igs.net>M   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > Alan Greig wrote: F > > Plus I was just talking to a long serving DEC/Compaq field serviceI > > engineer. Field service engineers are about the only Compaq employees>F > > with regular customer contact these days (other than the excellentD > > service provided in c.o.v) and he says that customer response toC > > recent events is near universally negative. Capellas says it isd2 > > "unbelievably positive". I know who I believe. > F > I think Compaq managements credibility has reached an all time low !  C Agreed. Customer reaction to a surprise announcement of a wholesalerF platform change is unbelievably positive? There is a fine line betweenD putting a positive spin on events and being a pathological liar. TooD bad the Alpha ming vase has been broken. There will be no going backB like with new coke/old coke debacle once the feces really hits the rotary air displacement device.a   --D Paul W. DeMone       The 801 experiment SPARCed an ARMs race of EPICE Kanata, Ontario      proportions to put more PRECISION and POWER intoyG demone@mosaid.com    architectures with MIPSed results but ALPHA's wellt$ pdemone@igs.net      that ends well.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:40:32 +0200-* From: Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>( Subject: Re: trapping telnet disconnects7 Message-ID: <997094422.938180@mozart.adv.magwien.gv.at>m   Jack Peacock schrieb:e > H > After some experimenting it appears that an exit handler using $DCLEXHH > will not trap a telnet disconnect.  I assume this means the process isE > terminated by a $DELPRC instead of a $FORCEX.  Am I correct in thathG > there is no mechanism for a process running on a telnet connection to J > continue running after the connection has been dropped from the user endH > (i.e. PC users close the telnet window instead of logging out)?  Would@ > it be possible to trap this at the system level using callback > facilities in LOGIN/LOGOUT?   H IIRC, if you declare the exit handler in kernel mode, it will be invokedH even when the process is killed with a $DELPRC. However, there is no wayD to survive a $DELRPC - when the exit handler terminates, the process@ continues to cleanup (the exit handler is invoked as part of the. cleanup), resulting in final process deletion.   Greetings, Ferry   --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar-Nordenkampf  Municipality of Vienna Municipality Department 14
 A-1010 Vienna  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at   : "Wenn hier einer schuld ist, dann immer nur der Computer."   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:52:07 +0200 (CEST) - From: Freddy Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org> % Subject: VMS LK-xxx Terminal Emulator J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0108061544450.6108-100000@firewall.freddym.org>   Hi!   F Perhaps it is slightly off-topic here, but it has something to do withA VMS - and this Newsgroup is the best resource for such questions:e  * Is there anything like KEA! Term for Unix?J KEA! Term is only available for this old-school style Windows, but not for modern Unixes.J I've already tried playing around with xterm initialization files, but hadJ no luck so far. What I want is a Terminal Emulator for Unix which supportsI the PF[1-4] Keys, and just allows me to play around with VMS as I were onu the local console. And an additional question:,H I've searched the Net for this and was unable to find anything, so it is# likely that this one doesn't exist. F Unfortunately I havn't found a web page listing the Control Characters for these keys.o@ So if someone could post a list with the control characters for:  J Backspace, PF[1-4], Find, Insert here, Remove, Select, Do, Help, and other2 keys which may differ from the normal PeeCee Keys.  D If I have the appropriate control chars, I'd be able to write such a program myself.   - Greetings and many thanks in advance - Freddyh -- iN Geek Code 3.1: GCS s+: a--- C+++ UBOU+++ P-- E--- W++ N w--- V++ PGP- t? 5? tv  J ==========================================================================>  Frederik Meerwaldt           Homepage: http://www.freddym.orgC  Bavaria/Germany              OpenVMS and Unix Howtos and much moreiI  Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, NetBSD, OpenBSD, IRIX, Tru64, OpenVMS, Ultrix, BeOS-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 11:25:20 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)) Subject: Re: VMS LK-xxx Terminal EmulatorML Message-ID: <rdeininger-0608011125210001@user-2ive6is.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0108061544450.6108-100000@firewall.freddym.org>,. Freddy Meerwaldt <frederik@freddym.org> wrote:   > And an additional question:6J > I've searched the Net for this and was unable to find anything, so it is% > likely that this one doesn't exist.nH > Unfortunately I havn't found a web page listing the Control Characters > for these keys.iB > So if someone could post a list with the control characters for: > L > Backspace, PF[1-4], Find, Insert here, Remove, Select, Do, Help, and other4 > keys which may differ from the normal PeeCee Keys.  D On a VMS system, you can look in SYS$SYSTEM:SMGTERMS.TXT.  This fileJ documents the character sequences for control keys on various DEC standard
 terminals.  G On of the manuals in the VMS doc set describes this file.  Probably thevI I/O user's reference manual, in the chapter on the terminal driver, but Ih may be mis-remembering.s   -- n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 12:32:44 +0200r, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> Subject: Re: WHO ARE YOU forum?-& Message-ID: <3B6E724C.E1574293@gmx.ch>  ' PALADIN@209-16-45-102.insync.net wrote:<  C > Here's a site for the younger readers who might not have heard ofl% > the "Have Gun, Will Travel" series:. > + >    http://www.dynanet.com/hgwt/index.htmli  H Better late than never, I heard about Douglas Adams when he left us last< May. So, I jumped on the HHGTTG serie book and... I love it.   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2001 13:07:47 GMTp1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) D Subject: Re: You Get What You Pay For, a.k.a., There's No Free Lunch, Message-ID: <9km4r3$1jvj$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  = In article <88599d89.0108030357.18c525ca@posting.google.com>,u#  alanb@cloud9.net (Alan B.) writes::D |> A recent comment from a software vendor this week at a meeting... |> .H |> "Alphas? We're not really investing any more in Alphas. You can't getA |> a kid out of college to work with them. You would have to hire.D |> somebody who knows what they're doing...and you would have to pay	 |> them".c |>  G |> In other words, MicroS**T/Intel commodity "dime a dozen" "technical"aH |> people to run their servers are what they prefer in order to save $$. |> c/ |> Later in the meeting, software vendor again:  |> sH |> "It would be nice if we didn't have to reboot the WinTel servers once |> a week".b |>  E I know this will come as no surprise to anyone here, but I just can't 4 resist.  Maybe someone will get a chuckle out of it.  ? I went into my PC lab the end of last week.  These are machinesiA running Win2000 thqat haven't been used since school ended at thea@ beginning of June.  All of them are sitting there with the login? screensaver jumping around the screen.  And right in the middle > of every screen is a Windows Popup error message informing the? user that they have run out of virtual memory.  Just think whate> it would be like if someone was actually logged on and running something!!!    :-)    bill   -- mJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   -   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Aug 2001 05:45:17 GMT0- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)vE Subject: Re: [OT] Market corrections (was Re: Alpha: an invitation to85 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-1dQ0I1gFbuwJ@localhost>t  F On Sun, 5 Aug 2001 05:41:16, "Stephen Fuld" <s.fuld@worldnet.att.net>  wrote:   Snip...s  G > > Yes, I always get a laugh when I hear the expression 'efficiency ofgF > > private industry', especially when used in the same breath as digs" > > against public/civil servants. >  >  > M > Wait a minute here.  The quality of the people is not the same thing as the-E > efficiency of the operation.  While I think the level of governmentoN > employees is fine, the system they work under forces inefficiencies.  In theN > part of my earlier post that you snipped, I gave an example of one of these. > M > The goals of agencies in the government are in general to provide a quality-M > service to their customers, and to follow certain government rules that areeM > designed to provide the appearance of fairness - primarily in procurements,eL > and personel.  The following of these rules forces some inefficiencies andN > the lack of a profit motive and the easy measurability of profit compared toM > "provide a quality service" make it usually the case that the government isoJ > less efficient than private industry.  The issue of size can be either a7 > benefit or a drawback, depending on the area as well.n  % Sorry Stephen, I presume you meant :-    >>>t   #  A big part of the problem with the E government is that they have a different set of rules.  For example, e whenC buying something, it is very important to give the impression that u eachE potential vendor has a fair shake.  Thus, where in private industry, s someoneiF would just decide which one to buy, in the government,you have to do aF request for proposals, etc.  (I know, not always - I'm generalizing)   TheseD= cause great inefficiency.  There are other things like this,   particularly ins& the personel area that cause problems.   <<<-  F Point taken, However, it shows up the difficulty in defining the word F efficiency. Obviously, if an organisation wanted to buy $1000 worth ofE ball-point pens it is grossly inefficient to put that out to tender. yF If the we're talking millions for Roads, bridges, hospitals, military D a/c or the VMS systems that run them or their development, then the B cost to the taxpayer of the inefficiency (overhead) of the tender B system can pay its dividend in ensuring they don't get ripped off.  F One of my first experiences of purchasing in a large company was over A 20 years ago when I needed 2 10M resistors. I can't remember the f? numbers but by the time it had gone thro' the system, each 25p hC resistor cost something like 25 quid... Would the company be doing h@ that now? Probably not in the same area, the area requiring 10M / resistors would have been out-sourced by now...l   -- l   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:23:22 +0000  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comE Subject: Re: [OT] Market corrections (was Re: Alpha: an invitation tob/ Message-ID: <00256AA0.00548B12.00@quegw01.btyp>h  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza     'Sith'?t  4 So, you admit to have been seduced by the dark side?   ;^D.   Steve Sn        I "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> on 08/03/2001 04:23:21 PMo    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)nO From:      "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>, 3 August 2001, 4:23t            p.m.D  < Re: [OT] Market corrections (was Re: Alpha: an invitation to          J John Santos wrote in message <1010802195754.47969B-100000@Ives.egh.com>...  G >This reminds of a Ken Olsen quote, possibly apocryphal.  Some reporter H >asked him in an interview, "How many people work for you?"  He answered >"Oh, about half of them." >e    J Having been sith DEC (now Compaq) 22 years, I think his estimate was high.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:31:19 GMTS+ From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net>  Subject: ! ? Message-ID: <HvAb7.35642$Kd7.22289959@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>u   - ޣ ?   .   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 17:39:32 GMTr+ From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net>c Subject: Re: ! ? Message-ID: <oDAb7.35655$Kd7.22298234@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>    Sorry.  6 "Nikita V. Belenki" <public@kits.net> wrote in message9 news:HvAb7.35642$Kd7.22289959@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com...0 > - ޣ ? >b > . >b >@   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.434 ************************