1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 15 Aug 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 451       Contents:( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Backup Internet MX/SMTP server (ASP). Re: Can queue manager handle 100.000 entries ?. Re: Can queue manager handle 100.000 entries ?< RE: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custo< RE: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems CustoP Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will no longe& DECnet-over-IP or NFSmount for backups Re: Does MOD_PERL work on VMS  Re: Does MOD_PERL work on VMS ; Re: Encompass and CETS-2001 USPS mail survey need your help 7 Encompass and CETS-2001 USPS mail survey need your help P Free DEC/CPQ supplied terminal emulators, was: Re: Free VT terminal emulators su Re: FYI 
 Good VMS news  Re: Good VMS news   Re: Help! Boot Block Information  Re: Help! Boot Block Information  Re: Help! Boot Block Information! Re: How to add a network printer? = Re: I just have to post this - and apoligse later Alpha/Intel 1 Re: Installing V7.3 on Personal Workstation 500au 1 Re: Looking for a Pine.exe for TCPIP 5.x services  Re: Move to Sun  Re: OpenVMS (Itanium) wishes3 OT: Citroen C5 Re: AMD and Samsung could save Alpha  Output from $gs "-h" command...  Re: Printing from Unix. Re: Pseudo Terminals to emulate LAT Terminals? Re: SCSI ID on RZ23 0 Re: Slow time and bad memory - are they related?0 Re: Slow time and bad memory - are they related?" Re: Storageworks retirement letterA Re: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will no longer be published ! Re: VAX/ALPHA FORTRAN and me! :-)  Version string specs Re: Version string specs Re: Version string specs# Re: VIRUSES: What about antibodies?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2001 19:30:52 -0400P From: "Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>" <monnier+comp.arch/news/@flint.cs.yale.edu>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate , Message-ID: <5lhevaw76b.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu>  ; >>>>> "Maynard" == Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> writes: G > As that revenue stream flows into the company, it may be disbursed to L > shareholders as dividends, or it may be used to grow the company business,G > or it may be used to invest in other companies, or it may be used for G > empire building to grow the company into unrelated businesses. All of F > these behaviors will have apologists; some have justification in taxI > avoidance. Any halfway decent finance book will tell you about why they J > occur and when they usually are or are not a good deal for shareholders.  B In the case where no dividend is payed, it seems that the only wayI in which something can be beneficial to shareholders is when it increases G the value of those shares.  So shareholders buy such stock only because H they hope that something will happen that will make other people believeA that the share is worth more.  Sounds very much like poker to me.      	Stefan    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:07:17 -0400 % From: "Lou Solomon" <lny98@yahoo.com> 1 Subject: Re: Backup Internet MX/SMTP server (ASP) / Message-ID: <tn8ch3tkv03tcf@corp.supernews.com>    John:   C Thanks... actually I wouldn't really care about those kind of false J positives.  By the way, how does one 'easily' figure out that the mail wasJ from the ISP's relay system without reading the headers (remember, our end/ users would have no idea how to figure it out).   H I guess I think it would be a good service if when your mail relay agentG tries to relay mail to you, and can't, they notify you (out of band, of I course).  Yeah, if my internal mail server is down, its nice to know that H somebody is spooling the mail, but it would also be nice to know that myK mail server is down (rather than find out hours later when a user complains , about not receiving email from a customer!).  F And, yes, I can probably write a program to test sending mail (or evenJ pinging the port/service), but I think it would be a good ASP type deal toH include it.  And if anyone knows about a prewritten product/package that) does that, I would love to hear about it.    Lou Solomon  Intercounty Clearance Corp    6 "John Johnstone" <jj_usenet@mail.com> wrote in message" news:3B73152F.3C0D3278@mail.com... > John Johnstone wrote:  > > L > > to find some way to deal with false positive alerts.  Without going intoI > > all the gory details, my company routinely gets 1 or 2 messages a day % > > from our ISP's mail relay system.  > # > Actually, what I meant to say was  > H >    my company routinely gets 1 or 2 mail messages a day that have been1 >    relayed through our ISP's mail relay system.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:08:26 +0200 < From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com>7 Subject: Re: Can queue manager handle 100.000 entries ? ( Message-ID: <3B743F3A.2C25F3E2@home.com>  = Oh, it was realy a question originaly posted by someone else. 5 I just "wanted to know", like climbing the Everest...   6 My tests was run on an "Jensen" box, the first (?) box: sold by Digital with an Alpha (at that time "AXP") engine., "DECserver 2000 model 300" if I'm not wrong.; Or "DEC AXP PC-150" or something simmilar if you wanted NT. , (It says "DECpc AXP 150" on the front panel)  6 150Mhz, 128Mb... VMS 7.3 "Hobbyist" on an RZ26L (1 Gb)  < And, as can be seen from another post from me earlier today,? I could actualy enter > 100.000 entries on a singel queue using > a singel instance of the queue manager. If this is "supported" well, I'v no idea.  ' And, as I sad, I just wanted to know... 3 It will never go into anything "production" like...   	 Jan-Erik.      Tim Llewellyn wrote: > J > > - Takes "forever" to START/QUE/MAN, say 5-10 minutes on my 150Mhz box. > ) > Whats that, 3000-300 box? How much RAM?  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:06:14 GMT - From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com> 7 Subject: Re: Can queue manager handle 100.000 entries ? + Message-ID: <G9ie7.31189$K6.12669999@news2>   I I don't know about psychologically.... We are using CA-MANMAN and use the E Dataport connector.  It tends to create a LOT of batch entries in our K environment...We used to roll over around 5000.  In a single day I'd see it  flip a couple times.  L To help keep things sane, I used a DCL procedure to create 20,000 entries inL a dummy batch queue.   Now I never see the same entry number in a single day (or at least I haven't)   I Our interval that Dataport uses to push its data is 10 minutes and we are L about to change that to 1 minute.  This means smaller data files, more often = more entries in the queue!  K We do quite a few transactions and I can see by the end of the year pushing , 60,000!  Who knows, next year maybe 100,000.  K Now for the kicker...If I take our plant code (basically database) down for F a long period of time for maintenance, then these entries will just be" PENDING...It's not so far fetched!   Dave    L "Jan Vorbrueggen" <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote inJ message news:y4lmkn8321.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de...6 > hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: > J > > :>   Up to five queue managers can be sharing the same queue database.J > > :Is this limitation dictated by locking scalability considerations, or5 > > :just the limit of your testing and thus support?  > >   Does it matter?  > H > Operationally, no. Psychologically, yes. Which means: sometimes I just want to J > understand why the world is as it is. Professional impairment, you know. >  > Jan    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:06:24 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>E Subject: RE: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custo - Message-ID: <0033000032253163000002L032*@MHS>   C =0AIMHO the only thing that Windows can do that VMS cannot is BSOD.    WWWebb   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ( > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 4:55 PMF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETF > Subject: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Customer >  >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > > = > > And VMS is not supposed to be used on the desktop. Compaq  > wants you to use one= > > of its wintel boxes on yoru desktop with VMS relegated to  > some large computer 	 > room. > > > > And with Compaq's pusg to streamline its products, I doubt > that you will see < > > any push to make VMS more viable on the desktop since it > would compete against  > Windows. >> > > The only OS that will be allowed by Compaq to live on both > the desktop and the % > > computer room will be Windows/NT.  > > : > > I don't agree with this, but it seems a fact and there > isn't much that can be > > done to change this. >  > May I add my two euros?  > ? > I do VMS since 1981 and Macintosh since 1989. I have a COMPAQ  > laptop for; > my professional use at COMPAQ (eMail with numerous binary  > attachements, > > IT applications, internal forums via a terminal emulation to
 > my VMSNotes B > Client) and a COMPAQ tabletop at my Customer's place (eMail withH > numerous binary attachements, IT applications including WEB access in=  > > read-only mode, VMS emulation to my VMS machines (3)) . I do > not do theE > same with the PC and my VMS terminals. I do not see any issue here.  > A > As far as DECwindows is concerned, it was (to me) an attempt to B > introduce the mouse and do point and click rather than character@ > oriented display interfaces (and it did it well). It was not a > challenger to Windows. > 9 > No. The real challengers to the IBM/PC were the Rainbow  > (sight!) and theH > PC350/380 systems, and also the DECmate machine for secretaries, etc.=   > (who remembers the VT100WF?).  > = > We do, with VMS, things that we cannot do with Windows, and 
 > vice-versa.  >  > D. >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:40:47 -0500 + From: Christopher Smith <csmith@amdocs.com> E Subject: RE: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custo L Message-ID: <3B55D7F383B0D31197D9009027541CBF1170DB2D@cmiexch1.cmi.itds.com>  I I'll second that, and add that there are certainly myriad things that VMS 0 will do and windows has no chance of ever doing.   Chris   ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developer  Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");  '       > -----Original Message-----3 > From: WILLIAM WEBB [mailto:WWEBB1@email.usps.gov]   B > IMHO the only thing that Windows can do that VMS cannot is BSOD. >  > WWWebb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:52:14 +0200 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>Y Subject: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will no longe & Message-ID: <3B798F7F.F9CEE1AB@gmx.ch>   JF Mezei wrote:  > P > And VMS is not supposed to be used on the desktop. Compaq wants you to use oneU > of its wintel boxes on yoru desktop with VMS relegated to some large computer room.  > N > And with Compaq's pusg to streamline its products, I doubt that you will seeY > any push to make VMS more viable on the desktop since it would compete against Windows.  > P > The only OS that will be allowed by Compaq to live on both the desktop and the# > computer room will be Windows/NT.  > O > I don't agree with this, but it seems a fact and there isn't much that can be  > done to change this.   May I add my two euros?   H I do VMS since 1981 and Macintosh since 1989. I have a COMPAQ laptop forG my professional use at COMPAQ (eMail with numerous binary attachements, H IT applications, internal forums via a terminal emulation to my VMSNotes@ Client) and a COMPAQ tabletop at my Customer's place (eMail withE numerous binary attachements, IT applications including WEB access in G read-only mode, VMS emulation to my VMS machines (3)) . I do not do the C same with the PC and my VMS terminals. I do not see any issue here.   ? As far as DECwindows is concerned, it was (to me) an attempt to @ introduce the mouse and do point and click rather than character> oriented display interfaces (and it did it well). It was not a challenger to Windows.  H No. The real challengers to the IBM/PC were the Rainbow (sight!) and theE PC350/380 systems, and also the DECmate machine for secretaries, etc.  (who remembers the VT100WF?).   G We do, with VMS, things that we cannot do with Windows, and vice-versa.    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 17:29:38 -0700 + From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com> / Subject: DECnet-over-IP or NFSmount for backups 1 Message-ID: <3B79C272.856D5C83@email.sps.mot.com>   L I'm losing DECnet Phase IV service to a few machines and need to convert theJ backups to use IP instead. Multinet RMTALLOC is way too slow.  Which wouldD the better choice? DECnet-over-IP (Multinet) or NFSmount (multinet)?   Thanks
 Linda Luik Motorola GIS   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:25:22 +0200 . From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si>& Subject: Re: Does MOD_PERL work on VMS/ Message-ID: <Y3ae7.1773$bl.87211@news.siol.net>    Jap,  2 no problem with it if you have the latest version.    4 "hieronymous" <steve.esson@esa.int> wrote in message7 news:fe9697fd.0108140519.233d25be@posting.google.com... 6 > Has anybody been successful in getting this to work?       --4 ----------------------------------------------------
 Gorazd Kikelj  OpenVMS system support Aster d.o.o. e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si www:  www.aster.si   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2001 16:23:10 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) & Subject: Re: Does MOD_PERL work on VMS, Message-ID: <FC$pUKcOdlaf@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  0 In article <Y3ae7.1773$bl.87211@news.siol.net>, 3    "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si> writes:   .   I've noticed that the PERL found on the CSWS1 website won't run if the account you run it under , holds too many identifiers ( it dies with an0 ACCVIO as soon as you say "PERL" ). Perhaps this% is relevant to hieronymous's problem?    > Jap, > 4 > no problem with it if you have the latest version. >  > 6 > "hieronymous" <steve.esson@esa.int> wrote in message9 > news:fe9697fd.0108140519.233d25be@posting.google.com... 7 >> Has anybody been successful in getting this to work?  >  >  >  > --6 > ---------------------------------------------------- > Gorazd Kikelj  > OpenVMS system support > Aster d.o.o.  > e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si > www:  www.aster.si >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:18:52 +0100 5 From: "Adam Price" <adam+usenet@pappnase.demon.co.uk> D Subject: Re: Encompass and CETS-2001 USPS mail survey need your helpA Message-ID: <997813103.21530.0.nnrp-07.c2deb51d@news.demon.co.uk>   & Please don't reply to comp.unix.tru64.  Followups set to comp.org.decus.
 Adam Price  ` "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in message news:yX7e7.63$ij.47825@typhoon1.gnilink.net... > Hi - I need your help... > = > Encompass HQ recently mailed 3 letters related to CETS-2001  > F > 1) A letter to former DECUS US Chapter members who are not currently$ > Encompass member from Joe Pollizzi > ' > 2) A letter from Rich Marcello on IPF  > 1 > 3) A letter from Clay Denton updating CETS-2001  > M > The letters would have either come in a envelope with a Encompass and DECUS @ > logo - or they would have come in a envelope with a CETS logo. > C > When you get these letters please doing me the following favor...  >  > A) Save the envelope > = > B) Post here or Email me (Jeff@Killeen.cc) the following...  > . >     - Letter received (1, 2, and/or 3 above) > > >     - Envelope type (Encompass/DECUS logo or CETS-2001 logo) > 1 >     - Postmark date, postmark city, and postage  > K > ...there appears to have been a problem with late delivery and we need to H > document it.  Thanks in advance - your assistance will be appreciated! >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:28:30 GMT & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>@ Subject: Encompass and CETS-2001 USPS mail survey need your help4 Message-ID: <yX7e7.63$ij.47825@typhoon1.gnilink.net>   Hi - I need your help...  ; Encompass HQ recently mailed 3 letters related to CETS-2001n  D 1) A letter to former DECUS US Chapter members who are not currently" Encompass member from Joe Pollizzi  % 2) A letter from Rich Marcello on IPF0  / 3) A letter from Clay Denton updating CETS-2001:  K The letters would have either come in a envelope with a Encompass and DECUSs> logo - or they would have come in a envelope with a CETS logo.  A When you get these letters please doing me the following favor...    A) Save the envelope  ; B) Post here or Email me (Jeff@Killeen.cc) the following...   ,     - Letter received (1, 2, and/or 3 above)  <     - Envelope type (Encompass/DECUS logo or CETS-2001 logo)  /     - Postmark date, postmark city, and postagel  I ...there appears to have been a problem with late delivery and we need toIF document it.  Thanks in advance - your assistance will be appreciated!   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:27:18 GMT-B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>Y Subject: Free DEC/CPQ supplied terminal emulators, was: Re: Free VT terminal emulators su 3 Message-ID: <GO8e7.775$2u.25463@www.newsranger.com>S  . On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:47:54 +0200, in article5 <9lahce$5b91@sunny.mannesmann.de>, Roland Hauk wrote:t >m0 >Try this unsupported freeware from PATHWORKS CD >t# >Compaq PATHWORKS 32 VT320 V7.1.003?3 >http://download.uni-hd.de/ftp/incoming/vt320_7.exee1 >ftp://ftp.uni-heidelberg.de/incoming/vt320_7.exet >   9 Thanks for the URL. I have downloaded it and examined it.O  2 First, the bad news: It doesn't have DRCS support.  F Now the good news: This is by far the best free terminal emulator thatE I have used. Since I don't use Pathworks, I wasn't aware that DEC/CPQ-1 had created a freely available terminal emulator.e  A Does anybody know if this emulator is the only one that is freely>@ available from CPQ or have they created other emulators that are also available ?   Simon.   --  ; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP K In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered ahE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:47:45 -0500 : From: "Pedro A. Crespo" <pedro.crespo@integris-health.com> Subject: Re: FYI0 Message-ID: <9lbr6u$iv5$1@news-central.tiac.net>  G Ack! Sorry to hear that, Sue. Get well soon (and don't do that again ;)u   Pedro.  = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messagef* news:5bRc7.16$bB1.4242@news.cpqcorp.net... > Dear Newsgroup,s >sH > I just wanted to let you know, that I am unable to respond to all yourJ > email.  I have damaged my hand, and one handed typing is way to slow and theoA > cast hits wrong keys, so please do not think I am ignoring you.t >  > sueb >e >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 15:46:58 -0600 (MDT) " From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> Subject: Good VMS newsG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0108141534180.24659-100000@athena.csdco.com>u  	 ISV news./  C A few weeks ago the transition from MVS to VMS was made for a large H State application and the MVS software was shut down.  This project took) about 3 years and is not going away soon.'  6 A small wake was held for the old MVS software Friday.  I VMS looks might it may "own" this application and it is applicable to alld) states.  Too bad I can't say more here :)n  
 John Nebel   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:35:44 -0500n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>. Subject: Re: Good VMS news' Message-ID: <3B79C3E0.EA8914DA@fsi.net>o   John Nebel wrote:e >  > ISV news.l > E > A few weeks ago the transition from MVS to VMS was made for a largeoJ > State application and the MVS software was shut down.  This project took+ > about 3 years and is not going away soon.m > 8 > A small wake was held for the old MVS software Friday. > K > VMS looks might it may "own" this application and it is applicable to allo+ > states.  Too bad I can't say more here :)a  H Can you at least say if it's something that more than one state might be interested in?  H Granted, that's only 50 customers nationwide, but hey - every little bit helps!   -- J David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:04:47 GMTm2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: Help! Boot Block Informations2 Message-ID: <3Lde7.111$bB1.13066@news.cpqcorp.net>  T In article <3B79219B.CE579172@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:I :The word swap on disk did baffle me, can you explain more about it, like. :why?u  F   Various of the low-level and oldest pieces of OpenVMS were directly I   derived from the RSX operating system and RSX designs, and some of the oH   ways that RSX evolved with its disk structures is largely a result of H   its own historical changes.  (And the ODS2 file structure was a directG   outgrowth of the earlier ODS1, much as ODS5 is an outgrowth of ODS2.)   F :(I should add I'm not very familiar with numeric data format storage, :e.g. of IEEE and the like)h  K   Both integer and floating point are covered in the platform architecture ,L   manuals.  See the FAQ.  "Swizzling" is covered in the TCP/IP Services XDR H   (External Data Representation) stuff and in the C htonl and ntohl and H   related routines.  RSX-derived swizzles are, well, not really covered G   anywhere other than the VMS File Systems Internals manual and in the eI   ODS2 volume structure specifications.  Copies of the latter are on the S   Freeware.     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 19:42:30 -0000o From: sword7@speakeasy.org) Subject: Re: Help! Boot Block Informationo/ Message-ID: <tnivp6najla25f@corp.supernews.com>i  5 John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:pJ > Oh, I dunno.  It made me run WRITEBOOT on my hobbyist system disk, whichH > was probably not a bad thing...  (If Tim is listening, many MicrovaxesF > and Vaxstations had VMB.EXE in console rom, so you could have a fair8 > amount of gibberish in the boot block and still boot.)   John:e  H Yes, I am aware of that.  Many MicroVAXes and VAXstations had VMB.EXE in their console ROM.   -- Tim Stark   --  , Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:03:23 +0100o( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>) Subject: Re: Help! Boot Block Informatione) Message-ID: <3B79219B.CE579172@127.0.0.1>c   John Laird wrote:e > H > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:43:11 +0100, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> > wrote: > E  >Note the FC8D0006. In DUMP, as the longwords are presented right to H > >left, this is the same as 0006FC8D. (check the docs to understand the > >DUMP format). >  > With respect, what rubbish !   Thanks for the correction!  J > The *second* longword is FC8D0006, not the third as you suggest, but theE > reason this is not the expected value of 0006FC8D is because *it isuG > defined to be word-swapped on-disk*.  This will almost certainly datesJ > back to pre-Vax days.  Other longword items in ODS-2 format are just theH > same - block-counts in file headers come to mind.  For fun, see if theJ > various non-IEEE floating point layouts make more sense word-swapped too > ;-)   H The word swap on disk did baffle me, can you explain more about it, like why?E (I should add I'm not very familiar with numeric data format storage,u e.g. of IEEE and the like)  e8 > Tim may well not have access to a VMS box, by the way.  B Good point, it's partly why I posted the DUMP, but I read it wrong myself. Didn't help did it :-)   -- e( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot comm   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 18:45:52 GMTS2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: How to add a network printer?2 Message-ID: <Alee7.112$bB1.13169@news.cpqcorp.net>  l In article <de844d64.0108140726.6bd19a9d@posting.google.com>, dframeli@aus.telusa.com (Dale Frameli) writes:9 :I have a DEC3000 that's runing Alpha OpenVMS v1.5-1H1.  i  D   You are going to have real problems due to the use of that OpenVMSE   release.  You are probably also running an equally ancient version t/   of TCP/IP Services, if you have IP installed.n  F :I sucessfully added the DEC3000 to our company network and would now F :like to add access to several network printers.  I was able create a C :print queue, but wasn't able to "start" it.  I used the following  7 :command to create a print queue for our HP LaserJet 5:a :n& :>INITIALIZE/QUEUE/ON=172.17.40.75:PR1 :>Queue? my_gc_queue :nG :  I have documents sitting in the print queue, but their not printing,eG :their pending.  The status of the print queue shows "stopped".  At onec+ :point, I saw an invalid device name error.y  G   You need to have the correct print symbiont for IP operations -- the  F   above command does not specify the symbiont -- and you need to have G   TCP/IP Services (or a third-party IP stack) installed and configured.eC   Please see the TCP/IP Services (or third-party IP) documentation.t  ) :  Any idea how I can enable the queue?     @   Yes, move to (at least) OpenVMS Alpha V6.2 (or better, V7.1-2,>   V7.2-1, or V7.3), and install TCP/IP Services.  On V6.2, you=   will want TCP/IP V4.2 with ECO.  With V7.1-2 and later, you =   will want TCP/IP V5.0A or (better) V5.1 with ECO installed.2  19 :Any idea what the invalid device error was referring to?   >   Ask The Wizard topics (1020) and otherwise -- various topics<   discuss setting up and operating queues targeting network 8   printers.  Also see the TCP/IP Services documentation.  C   Pointers to Ask The Wizard and to the OpenVMS and TCP/IP ServicesnB   documentation are included in the OpenVMS FAQ.  A pointer to the   FAQ is included below.  6 :  Please respond directly to: dframeli@aus.telusa.com     Ask here, get an answer here.-  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:16:36 +0100i+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> F Subject: Re: I just have to post this - and apoligse later Alpha/Intel' Message-ID: <3B745D44.39A53B65@iee.org>    Jan Vorbrueggen wrote: > , > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > L > > It is NOT as Digital intended a chip running multiple operating systems.J > > When NT was lost, that was it. History. (Two of your own don't count). > I > Plus Linux. And WNT still runs the current version on Alpha. (Or is SP7tK > already out?). Tha makes it four OSes, from three different families. NotaK > many processors around that can claim as much - IA32 probably is the onlyn > other one.  / Plus NetBSD and FreeBSD (and maybe OpenBSD ...)o   Antonios   -- t   ---------------e- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgs   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:08:47 +0200o, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>: Subject: Re: Installing V7.3 on Personal Workstation 500au: Message-ID: <3b796a36$0$2971$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>  9 "Theo Jakobus" <Theo.Jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> wrote in messagep# news:3B794E56.3000100@iaf.fhg.de...  > Bart Zorn wrote:L > > It is not entirely true that you need a SCSI CD ROM to boot OpenVMS on a PWScI > > 500au. However, there are many variants of the 500au and some do bootm fromL > > the IDE CD (dqa0 or dqb0) and some don't. Maybe someone who really knows/ > > about the PWS could explain something more!i > >n- >  From "Version 7.3 Release Notes page 4-5":-J > If you are using the Compaq Personal Workstation 433au, 500au, and 600au seriesE > systems, you can boot OpenVMS Version 7.3 from an IDE CD-ROM if thee
 controllerK > chip is a Cypress PCI Peripheral Controller. You cannot boot OpenVMS with  anI > Intel Saturn I/O (SIO) 82378 chip in your configuration. You must use aA SCSI* > CD-ROM if the Intel SIO chip is present.G > To determine which IDE chip you have in your configuration, enter theu	 followinga) > SRM console command: SHOW CONFIGURATIONa > J > In my 500au is a Toshiba CD-ROM and I'm lucky there is the Cypress chip. So I'm > able to boot the CD.L > I have added an Acer 910 CD-ROM to the IDE channel so I'm able to have theG > "Online Documentation Library" which consists of 2 CDs really online.eI > I've added an IBM 34330W (4.2GB) hard disk to the internal SCSI channelo whichm= > doubles the disk capacity (originally there is a RZ2CC-KA).  >   9 I must be getting lazy reading the release notes! Thanks!a  	 Bart Zornp   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 22:13:53 +0200w< From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com>: Subject: Re: Looking for a Pine.exe for TCPIP 5.x services( Message-ID: <3B744081.2AD0F6BD@home.com>   NS 4.61.2 And I'm now getting "Contact" with the server, but4 the DIR screen don't show any files, just the "upper directory" link.  	 Jan-Erik.i   Arne Vajhj wrote:0 > MSIE does not work well with VMS FTP servers ! >  > Netscape usually works.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:43:44 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Move to Sun2 Message-ID: <kYge7.118$bB1.13638@news.cpqcorp.net>  ] In article <3B713275.59D65FBE@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:5  >   Note: when postings get longer, the point tends to get lost.!   Warning: long post follows. :-)    Follow-ups set to /dev/null.  E :Interesting definition of proprietary, SPARC is actually one of the o, :most open processor architectures there is.  E   Please debate the relative degree of openness of SPARC elsewhere.   C   (comp.arch and total.angels.dancing.on.head.of.pin come to mind.)e  A   Most businesses and most folks care about coolness, price, and aF   applications, and tend not care about details such as system design E   or microprocessor architecture.  Most even tend to "glaze on" when p   these discussions arise.     In no particular order...f  G   Solaris has a large number of applications.  More applications means .D   a potential for lower costs for the business folks.  This is good.  H   That Solaris runs on SPARC or Alpha or a toaster is irrelevent to the    business folks.   G   That SPARC systems are available from only a few hardware vendors cana+   mean higher costs.  Higher costs are bad.e  F   That Linux is cool and new makes that platform interesting to folks.   Cool is good.  p  H   That Linux can probably run on a high-end toaster or coffee pot keeps F   the technophiles entertained, and that's good -- it means that thereF   are platforms available.  (That said, I'm not sure if I want to haveH   to use any general-purpose operating system user interface as part of J   the production of my morning coffee.  Simple is better.  But I digress.)  : :If your definition is non-proprietary Intel, proprietary 7 :anthing that isn't Intel then you should have said so.e  E   Intel makes the processor, but a variety of folks make the systems.i  B   I personally believe that the (current) industry definition of aD   "proprietary" system involves the numbers of vendors that provide D   the box, and not the vendors that provide the parts.  (It is true ?   that a select few customers do care about and do require the  %   second-sourcing of critical parts.)a  8 :You post also totally ignores that fact that there are 8 :other vendors who have no intention of including IA-64  :in their product lines. : ; :The IBM S390 division, the AS400 and the RS/6000 divisionsa; :have no intention of including any IA-64 products in their  :product lines.e    E   So?  I am certain there are whole divisions and whole product lineswG   of many companies that have no interest in IA-64, whether or not the iE   particular companies produce computers.  I expect there are Compaq KC   product lines and business that have no interest in IA-64 -- the  G   Compaq iPAQ Pocket PC line, for instance, probably isn't immediately  D   planning an IA-64 version of the iPAQ Pocket PC.  (The integrationH   of IA-64 into an LCD display panel might well be an epic struggle. :-)    C :So if you think that a hastily conceived decision by Compaq which -? :has apparently had no technical due dilligence and which will o? :not deliver actual products until 2005 puts Compaq in a better:- :possition than Sun you are probably deluded.   D   You've written off the upcoming EV7 and the EV7 shrink -- and the    systems -- I see.n  B   The Compaq decision is to have new Alpha systems and a new AlphaF   microprocessor generation available, and also to provide folks with (   a way to move to a commodity platform.  E   Oh, am I to assume by your remarks that Solaris will not be ported /F   to IA-64?  (Or just that Sun hasn't completed "due dilligence"?  :-)      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 08:49:52 -0400e- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> % Subject: Re: OpenVMS (Itanium) wishesu( Message-ID: <3B791E6E.C4BD3642@ohio.edu>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   > People >sH > Thinking  in the future of OpenVMS running under the Itanium Processor > (IPF) ; > I  belive  we should ask for  new features/resources now:: >4 > [snip]  J > e) A new graphical terminal (VT). Nobody wants to run applications under > caracter cells.$1 >    This terminal should be Citrix / Java based.t  L No, no, a thousand times no.  Citrix is a Windows-centric business.  We haveK had a lot of problems providing access to Citrix-based applications for our.L Macintosh users.  There is indeed a Citrix-for-Macintosh, but it is too easyM to create applications that work on Citrix for Windows but fail on Citrix fora
 Macintosh.  #                                 RDPr   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:53:51 +0100w( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>< Subject: OT: Citroen C5 Re: AMD and Samsung could save Alpha) Message-ID: <3B79114F.6094DAA5@127.0.0.1>l   JF Mezei wrote:  > N > You forget that Alpha might have other uses, such as Nintendo game boxes etcM > etc. Also, didn't Ford at one point embed alphas in cars ? (or was that thel > powerpc chip ?)- >   @ The latest round of Citroen C5 ads in the UK claim, that for theB 'estate' version of the C5, all 19 computers "have been rebooted".  G This perhaps makes more sense, if you know in the UK we call the trunk,s a boot.    -- e( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot comt   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:24:17 GMT 3 From: sy18889@COYOTE.FMR.COM (Bradford J. Hamilton)m( Subject: Output from $gs "-h" command...0 Message-ID: <BT7e7.60$4W2.198@news-srv1.fmr.com>   Hi Jan-Erik,  # As requested, output from $gs "-h":o   BOSV89::SY18889 $ gs "-h"a" AFPL Ghostscript 6.50 (2000-12-02)M Copyright (C) 2000 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA.  All rights reserved.y, Usage: gs [switches] [file1.ps file2.ps ...]< Most frequently used switches: (you can use # in place of =)M  -dNOPAUSE           no pause after page   | -q       `quiet', fewer messagesdL  -g<width>x<height>  page size in pixels   | -r<res>  pixels/inch resolutionJ  -sDEVICE=<devname>  select device         | -dBATCH  exit after last fileI  -sOutputFile=<file> select output file: - for stdout, |command for pipe,.C                                          embed %d or %ld for page #s? Input formats: PostScript PostScriptLevel1 PostScriptLevel2 PDF  Available devices:F    x11 bbox x11alpha x11cmyk x11gray2 x11gray4 x11mono deskjet djet500G    laserjet ljetplus ljet2p ljet3 ljet3d ljet4 ljet4d cdeskjet cdjcolornJ    cdjmono cdj550 pj pjxl pjxl300 uniprint bj10e bj200 bjc600 bjc800 faxg3K    faxg32d faxg4 pcxmono pcxgray pcx16 pcx256 pcx24b pcxcmyk pbm pbmraw pgmfG    pgmraw pgnm pgnmraw tiffcrle tiffg3 tiffg32d tiffg4 tifflzw tiffpack K    tiff12nc tiff24nc psmono psgray psrgb bit bitrgb bitcmyk pngmono pnggrayiF    png16 png256 png16m jpeg jpeggray pdfwrite pswrite epswrite pxlmonoB    pxlcolor pnm pnmraw ppm ppmraw pkm pkmraw pksm pksmraw nullpage Search path:    [] , GS_LIB) For more information, see GS_DOC:Use.htm. B Report bugs to bug-gs@aladdin.com, using the form in Bug-form.htm.   HTH, Brad Bradford J. Hamilton  bradhamilton@mediaone.net	(home) brad.hamilton@fmr.com		(work)h  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:20:56 +0200 < From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com> Subject: Re: Printing from Unixd( Message-ID: <3B7417F8.A0C5693B@home.com>   Use LPD.! See TCPIP Services documentation.-# Nothing "special" on the Unix side.-   Jan-Erik Sderholm   "Miguel A. Teixeira" wrote:M > 
 > Hi guys,3 > Is there a way to print from Unix to a VMS queue?-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:02:42 +0100g4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>7 Subject: Re: Pseudo Terminals to emulate LAT Terminals?o8 Message-ID: <js3intg39dg2st5n7lan3j3jcsqna6hebq@4ax.com>  E On 13 Aug 2001 14:38:27 -0700, JanWermusch@hotmail.com (Jan Wermusch)y wrote:  D >pardon me, but I am getting little bit confused: I just checked theD >active reflection sessions on another customer's AXP machine. All IE >found was a number of TNA terminals (connected to port x on host y),t >as expected...A  E Well, Reflections can use more than one communications protocol.  TNA E are Telnet connections, as I'm sure you know, but it can also use LAT-$ and thus create LTA devices as well.  . >What kind of fake terminal ports do you mean?  H Well, a real terminal connected via a real Decserver will have an access? port name of something like LAT_08002Bnnnnnn/PORT_1, or perhapsaF DSERV1/PORT_1 depending on whether your Decserver has a known entry inF the Decnet database.  *If* this application tries to interpret this inH any way, it might fail when it encounters a Reflection LAT session whichC has a name more like WRQ_nnnnnnnnnnnn/PORT_1 (nnn... being some new0C address whose origin I cannot remember right now - almost certainly0' something related to Ethernet address.)d  C >Answering to your question - no I do not have any idea yet how thenD >store-room application handles the devices. All I know is, that theC >customer was told to configure a number of LAT devices as usual totG >make the things working. And they did so - almost 14 years ago. NobodyuC >ever tried to change it up to now. But in the next few months theyk( >plan to remove all terminals servers...  G Reading more of your replies, it looks to me as if your application hasaH used "reverse LAT" to create application ports of *fixed names* on portsF on specific servers (which may or may not be fixed).  It may be simplyF assigning channels to these LTA ports to receive input and send outputE without going through the bother of someone actually having to log in A and run up an application - the application in this case would betC already running.  An alternative scenario might be that there is no C "user" as such but another application on another computer which is)D reading and writing data to the serial port on the server.  ProvidedG your own application is not demanding some LAT-specific functions, then H DEFINEing your hardwired LTAnnnn names to their TNAmmm equivalents wouldE work fine.  But you would have to know the TNA number in advance, andrB these would normally be randomly allocated as each incoming TelnetB connection is made.  Further, I don't know how you would direct anC incoming connection to something other than the Telnet server which H would normally be expecting you to log in.  If your current setup has noH actual VMS login procedure involved, I don't know how you would go aboutC trying to recreate the equivalent of a completely fixed serial line D using Telnet connections.  (You would need to join together your LTAD port to a pseudoterminal which you then hooked up to the TNA device. Sounds complicated.)     	Johnd -- r
 John Laird Yezerski Roper Ltd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:44:04 -0500e/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>e Subject: Re: SCSI ID on RZ233 Message-ID: <3B799BA4.AA7CAB3B@applied-synergy.com>"  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: >  > Hi,a > N > I offered to restore a backup to an RZ23.  I received the tape and the driveN > FedEx just moments ago but I don't know which pins will permit me to address
 > this drive.o > N > Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I usually look on Seagate's site but' > it appears that the RZ23 is a Conner.      The RZ23 is a Conner CP3100.  , IIRC, the SCSI ID pins are labeled E1,E2,E3.   The support page is:  5 	http://www.seagate.com/support/disc/scsi/cp3100.htmln  G NOTE: The support page gives the capacity as 121MB, which sounds like a 9 CP30100, aka RZ23L, so it may be wrong in other respects.d  
 Good luck!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------p$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com r   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 21:08:30 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)9 Subject: Re: Slow time and bad memory - are they related?u0 Message-ID: <i3Yc7.29$bB1.4539@news.cpqcorp.net>  W In article <C2256AA4.00620114.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:cF :I have a vax that has been losing time more rapidly than it should or> :than its twin has been.  Recently I noticed some BAD PAGES...> :Is it possible that the bad memory caused the time situation?  J   Yes.  Please see the FAQ section "TIME3. Why does my system time drift?"  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:15:46 -0500m  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com9 Subject: Re: Slow time and bad memory - are they related?n4 Message-ID: <C2256AA8.00748EF4.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  
 Thanks, Hoff.e    There it was, clearly exposited.   -Norm         7 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam on 08/10/2001 04:08:30 PM   / Please respond to hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam    To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comm cc:O: Subject:  Re: Slow time and bad memory - are they related?        O In article <C2256AA4.00620114.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com1 writes:1F :I have a vax that has been losing time more rapidly than it should or> :than its twin has been.  Recently I noticed some BAD PAGES...> :Is it possible that the bad memory caused the time situation?  J   Yes.  Please see the FAQ section "TIME3. Why does my system time drift?"  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------J       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2001 15:22:40 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> + Subject: Re: Storageworks retirement lettermH Message-ID: <y4elqe3hen.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  H While the HSZ22 is explicitly mentioned in connection with VMS/Alpha andL Unix/Alpha (Compaq Customer Services doesn't even bother to use Compaq's ownC official names for its operating systems, but does for those of itsuG competitors), no mention is made in the large list of VMS or Unix. Whata could that possible mean?s   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2001 13:10:17 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>tJ Subject: Re: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will no longer be publishedH Message-ID: <y4elqej3s6.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:r  G > I was under the impression that the VMS enewsletter only came in PDF. 4 > There is no supported PDF reader shipped with VMS.  J There is no operating system that I know of that ships with a PDF reader. I VMS at least ships with the freeware CD, which contains one. Good luck on 1 doing this with a standalone Unix or Windoze box.o   	Jan   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2001 16:06:27 -0400+ From: randall.burlew@srs.gov (Randy Burlew)i* Subject: Re: VAX/ALPHA FORTRAN and me! :-), Message-ID: <2001Aug14.160627.13094@srs.gov>  9 In article <7kigntseu27k10taaav5gpn54o6gds5sb6@4ax.com>, - Steve.Lionel@compaq.com says...u >0E >On 13 Aug 2001 12:32:31 -0400, randall.burlew@srs.gov (Randy Burlew)u >wrote:: >v >o? >>We just installed a new version of Fortran on our Alpha's andt >>had to start using >> >>FORTRAN/OLD_F77a >>< >>to compile the old Fortran 77 code, because the default is >>now the Fortran 90 compiler. >tD >There's no good reason why you should have to do this - The FortranC >90/95 compiler fully supports Fortran 77.  Please write to me with B >details as to what didn't work when you compiled with the defaultG >FORTRAN command.  (By the way, the Fortran 90/95 compiler has been theh* >default on VMS for two and a half years.) >o Steve,  9 I have not been able to duplicate the problem we had whenc: we first installed V7.4. If I come up with something, I'll4 let you know. Otherwise, you can just chalk it up as/ hallucinations brought on by sleep deprivation.i   Randy    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:00:11 -0700p" From: Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com> Subject: Version string specst) Message-ID: <3B79AD7B.CA4F6E4A@tgsmc.com>   < I'm putting final touches on a Perl module to manipulate VMS= style version strings, and so far I haven't found much on theb= form version strings can take;  here are the assumptions I've  been working under.e   The common form is l  
   Vx.y[-z]  < where the "x" and "y" are required and are integers, the "z"? is optional and can be a combination of integers and upper casep: letters, and the "V" should be there but is often assumed.> (The VMS FAQ says VMS X0.5 was the first release to customers,< in 1977, and I'm not sure what the "X" meant, but that's not important now.)r  A I've been calling "x" the "major" version number, "y" the "minor"e@ version number and "z" the "suffix", but I suspect that there isA a more correct name for "z".  I'll call it a suffix from here on,sA but if anyone in New Hampshire can correct me, I'd appreciate it.e  D For OpenVMS, the progression of version strings follows this pattern/ (ignoring whether these releases really exist):      V7.1
   V7.1-1H1
   V7.1-1H2   V7.1-1
   V7.1-2H1   V7.1-2  = where the "H" in the suffix denotes a hardware release (LHR).r  ? Under this scheme, V7.1-1H2 is "less than" V7.1-1, and V7.1-2H1 > is "less than" V7.1-2 even though, as strings, they would sort in the opposite order.  ? The doc for F$GETSYI says the return string for "VERSION" is an C "8-character string filled with trailing blanks", which would limit E the suffix to 3 characters.  I've seen suffixes of the form "1H2" fore@ hardware releases and "FT3" for field test releases.  Has anyone( seen a longer suffix for OpenVMS itself?  A For layered products, 1) are suffixes all numeric, and 2) is eacho< product on its own as to a numbering scheme?  The C compiler> suffixes seem to be three digits (e.g. V6.2-008);  the FORTRAN compiler I have is V7.3-1155.e  E And finally, what about the "V".  Other than the above-mentioned "X",oI are there version strings with a non-"V" prefix?  (An OpenVMS V7.2-1 link E map says it was created with "Linker A11-50", but I'm not sure I want ' to think about the linker right now...)l   Comments welcome.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 16:45:02 -0700C+ From: "xenman" <xenman@sprynet.nospaam.com>r! Subject: Re: Version string specsi2 Message-ID: <9lcd6j$n9r$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  = I remember version "A5.5" which was the same as "V5.5" exceptw> that the queue manager was not upgraded.  When version 5.5 was: released, it came with a new queue manager, and during the; upgrade from 5.4 to 5.5 you had the choice of using the oldt> or the new queue manager.  You could upgrade the queue manager< at a later date, which would change your version string from< "A5.5" to "V5.5".  I don't believe the old queue manager was' available for any version after 5.5-xx.O    - Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com> wrote in message-# news:3B79AD7B.CA4F6E4A@tgsmc.com...i> > I'm putting final touches on a Perl module to manipulate VMS? > style version strings, and so far I haven't found much on the-? > form version strings can take;  here are the assumptions I'vec > been working under.r >h > The common form is >e >   Vx.y[-z] >s> > where the "x" and "y" are required and are integers, the "z"A > is optional and can be a combination of integers and upper caset< > letters, and the "V" should be there but is often assumed.@ > (The VMS FAQ says VMS X0.5 was the first release to customers,> > in 1977, and I'm not sure what the "X" meant, but that's not > important now.)d > C > I've been calling "x" the "major" version number, "y" the "minor"tB > version number and "z" the "suffix", but I suspect that there isC > a more correct name for "z".  I'll call it a suffix from here on,aC > but if anyone in New Hampshire can correct me, I'd appreciate it.M >nF > For OpenVMS, the progression of version strings follows this pattern1 > (ignoring whether these releases really exist):  >  >   V7.1 >   V7.1-1H1 >   V7.1-1H2
 >   V7.1-1 >   V7.1-2H1
 >   V7.1-2 >=? > where the "H" in the suffix denotes a hardware release (LHR).a >iA > Under this scheme, V7.1-1H2 is "less than" V7.1-1, and V7.1-2H1 @ > is "less than" V7.1-2 even though, as strings, they would sort > in the opposite order. >-A > The doc for F$GETSYI says the return string for "VERSION" is anwE > "8-character string filled with trailing blanks", which would limit G > the suffix to 3 characters.  I've seen suffixes of the form "1H2" for1B > hardware releases and "FT3" for field test releases.  Has anyone* > seen a longer suffix for OpenVMS itself? >AC > For layered products, 1) are suffixes all numeric, and 2) is eachl> > product on its own as to a numbering scheme?  The C compiler@ > suffixes seem to be three digits (e.g. V6.2-008);  the FORTRAN > compiler I have is V7.3-1155.  >sG > And finally, what about the "V".  Other than the above-mentioned "X",oK > are there version strings with a non-"V" prefix?  (An OpenVMS V7.2-1 linktG > map says it was created with "Linker A11-50", but I'm not sure I want ) > to think about the linker right now...)  >i > Comments welcome.u   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2001 19:44:52 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)"! Subject: Re: Version string specsF3 Message-ID: <1duuLQfd$L6L@eisner.encompasserve.org>A  N In article <3B79AD7B.CA4F6E4A@tgsmc.com>, Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com> writes:  C > I've been calling "x" the "major" version number, "y" the "minor"nB > version number and "z" the "suffix", but I suspect that there isC > a more correct name for "z".  I'll call it a suffix from here on,|C > but if anyone in New Hampshire can correct me, I'd appreciate it.   C I am not in New Hampshire, but the POLYCENTER Software InstallationpC Utility Developer's Guide covers a superset of that in section 2.3. B It calls the first string of digits after the dash an update level6 and alphanumerics after that a maintenance edit level.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 11:49:13 +0000 (UTC)l' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)4, Subject: Re: VIRUSES: What about antibodies?+ Message-ID: <9lb37p$fo2$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>j  U In article <3B780A95.8A516602@gmx.ch>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:  >"D.Webb" wrote: >> tA >> 1) Max Butler released a worm which fixed a BIND vulnerability4C >>    and got 18 Months - see http://www.securityfocus.com/news/221p >5> >"Less altruistically, Butler's program created a back door on8 >every system it penetrated, which the hacker could have >used to gain access later". > H >The trout, all the trout and only the trout, would a Pakistan friend of
 >mine say. >f >D.n  J But that is at least part of the point. Unless you thoroughly analyze whatJ these "fixer" worms do - which is hardly likely since otherwise you would M already have spent the time to apply the patch yourself - then you won't knowu what else they might be doing. -N Hence if it became the norm for fixes to be distributed in this way you would O have the problem of trying to work out which were the good worms and which werecO the bad. Much simpler to try and stop all such worms spreading and patching thee holes yourself.oN (That is leaving out the problems which hundreds of fixer worms each trying toN scan the whole internet to find vulnerable systems would themselves cause just by their scanning.).    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.451 ************************