1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 16 Aug 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 453       Contents:! Re: Alpha firmware upgrade advice ! Re: Alpha firmware upgrade advice ( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate7 Re: BACKUP and Process Quotas (was: Re: SYSTEM HANG-UP)  Re: Capturing Opcom messages Re: Capturing Opcom messages Re: Compaq (CNET - 15-AUG-2001)  Re: Compaq (CNET - 15-AUG-2001) * Re: Compaq Brochure indicates death of VMS* Re: Compaq Brochure indicates death of VMS& Compaq Brochure indicates death of VMS< Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custo< RE: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custo< RE: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custo< Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems CustoP Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will   noP Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will   noP Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will no l
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 Re: EFN$C_ENF  Flexelint and C++  Re: Flexelint and C++  Re: Good VMS news  Re: Good VMS news  Re: Good VMS news  Re: Good VMS news ! http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org % Re: http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org % Re: http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org = Re: I just have to post this - and apoligse later Alpha/Intel ' Introduction and BACKUP recommendations + Re: Introduction and BACKUP recommendations + Re: Introduction and BACKUP recommendations  Re: OpenVMS  + Itanium Re: OpenVMS  + ItaniumP Re: OT:  Yugo -- was You Get What You Pay For, a.k.a., There's No Free Lunch Lun7 Re: OT: Citroen C5 Re: AMD and Samsung could save Alpha 7 Re: OT: Citroen C5 Re: AMD and Samsung could save Alpha 7 Re: OT: Citroen C5 Re: AMD and Samsung could save Alpha 7 Re: OT: Citroen C5 Re: AMD and Samsung could save Alpha  Re: Press Release  Re: Quorum Disk Questions ' Re: Result of your mail service request ' RE: Result of your mail service request  Storageworks - more bad news. " Re: Storageworks retirement letter Re: SYSTEM HANG-UP Re: SYSTEM HANG-UPA Re: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will no longer be published & Re: The VMS Opensource Porting Project& Re: The VMS Opensource Porting Project& Re: The VMS Opensource Porting Project& Re: The VMS Opensource Porting Project/ Re: Using Ghostscript to conv PS to PDF on VMS. ! Re: VAX/ALPHA FORTRAN and me! :-) ! Re: VAX/ALPHA FORTRAN and me! :-)  Re: Version string specs Re: VMS 6.21-H3 host crashing  Re: What system-call to use L Re: Why shouldn't VMS be a desktop OS? (was RE: Could VMS be a desktop  OS?)P Re: Why shouldn't VMS be a desktop OS? (was RE: Could VMS be a desktop OS?) OS?)% Re: Writing to a DOS floppy under VMS % Re: Writing to a DOS floppy under VMS A 䴩 SSI, PHP, MySQL, ASP, Perl, VB Scrip uHK$99 s110MB   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:50:09 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: Alpha firmware upgrade advice2 Message-ID: <B_ve7.150$bB1.14297@news.cpqcorp.net>  o In article <ueukntoatrc0htucn29hiqkjrvnei4flc8@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes: G :I have been tasked with upgrading an AS2100 4/200 from its current 6.1 F :installation to 6.2 (please don't start - it's the client's preferredF :level and matches a slightly lesser machine which is being replaced).  D   OpenVMS Alpha V6.2 does have support available for folks that haveH   acquired Prior Version Support (PVS) contracts.   Pointers to details 3   on PVS contracts are included in the OpenVMS FAQ.   H   I would specifically encourage you to acquire and apply the mandatory H   ECO kits for this release.  Details and search tools and URL pointers    are in the OpenVMS FAQ.   B :VMS aside, I would be interested to hear folks views on the AlphaH :firmware side.  It seems quite likely that some upgrade might be neededA :for 6.2 support, but...  stop at the minimum rev level for that, G :progress all the way to the most recent release (we have all the CDs), I :or land on some hot-spot ?  And likewise for any installed options, such  :as SCSI adapters ?     L   If you have SRM firmware appropriate for OpenVMS V6.1, you should be able M   to jump directly from it to the firmware for OpenVMS V6.2.  (Though without G   details of the current firmware configuration, I can't confirm this.)   J   The Alpha firmware website and the associated firmware documentation areI   referenced in the OpenVMS FAQ.  Included in the firmware documentation  E   files are tables of the versions of firmware required for the host     operating system version.   J   Since I will infer you have not upgraded firmware before, you will also I   want to dig up the platform user documentation on the particular member G   of the AlphaServer 2100 series systems, and read it.  Included there  H   should be details of the firmware upgrade process, as well as details H   of the firmware failsafe loader mechanism.  (You very likely will NOT G   need to use the firmware failsafe loader.  I reference it here solely E   to provide you with an improved level of comfort with the upgrade.)     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:17:31 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> * Subject: Re: Alpha firmware upgrade advice2 Message-ID: <3B7A931B.BC2612C4@clarityconnect.com>  D For the 2100 the last version of firmware for it (SRM V5.3-2 VMS PALH V5.56-7) was delivered on the V5.3 CD.  All firmware CDs since will have these same versions.   Dave Gudewicz wrote: > I > Given the chance, I'd recommend updating the firmware.  Since this is a M > 2100, its likely that the firmware has been static/stable for some time and C > whatever problems that might have existed have been fixed by now.  > 0 > As always read and heed all the release notes. > 	 > Dave...  > C > "John Laird" <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 4 > news:ueukntoatrc0htucn29hiqkjrvnei4flc8@4ax.com...J > > I have been tasked with upgrading an AS2100 4/200 from its current 6.1I > > installation to 6.2 (please don't start - it's the client's preferred I > > level and matches a slightly lesser machine which is being replaced).  > > E > > VMS aside, I would be interested to hear folks views on the Alpha K > > firmware side.  It seems quite likely that some upgrade might be needed D > > for 6.2 support, but...  stop at the minimum rev level for that,J > > progress all the way to the most recent release (we have all the CDs),L > > or land on some hot-spot ?  And likewise for any installed options, such > > as SCSI adapters ? > >   > > Any advice much appreciated. > >  > >  > > John > >  > > -- > > John Laird > > Yezerski Roper Ltd   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:38:28 GMT . From: "Stephen Fuld" <s.fuld@worldnet.att.net>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate H Message-ID: <ENoe7.16883$1p1.1336863@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  J "Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>" <monnier+comp.arch/news/@flint.cs.yale.edu>7 wrote in message news:5lhevaw76b.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu... = > >>>>> "Maynard" == Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> writes: I > > As that revenue stream flows into the company, it may be disbursed to D > > shareholders as dividends, or it may be used to grow the company	 business, I > > or it may be used to invest in other companies, or it may be used for I > > empire building to grow the company into unrelated businesses. All of H > > these behaviors will have apologists; some have justification in taxK > > avoidance. Any halfway decent finance book will tell you about why they L > > occur and when they usually are or are not a good deal for shareholders. > D > In the case where no dividend is payed, it seems that the only wayK > in which something can be beneficial to shareholders is when it increases I > the value of those shares.  So shareholders buy such stock only because J > they hope that something will happen that will make other people believeC > that the share is worth more.  Sounds very much like poker to me.       L You are assuming that there is no real intrinsic value underlying the stock.H This is not true.  the value is the ability to generate a stream of cashL flow (profits) in the future.  If the company doesn't distribute the cash toJ the stockholders, it usually invests it by starting new projects or buyingJ existing ones, which are all designed to generate more cash.  the value ofI that stream of cash, whether it is given back to you and you invest it or J whether the company invests it itself is the same (ignoring taxes and riskF preferences, etc.)  Hence, if the company generates more cash flow andI invests it themselves, the company becomes more valuable as it holds more > investments.  If it is more valuable, the stock price goes up.    --   -- Stephen Fuld   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:39:00 -0700 & From: name99@mac.com (Maynard Handley)1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate 7 Message-ID: <name99-1508011239000001@handma2.apple.com>   < In article <5lhevaw76b.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu>, "Stefan MonnierA <foo@acm.com>" <monnier+comp.arch/news/@flint.cs.yale.edu> wrote:   = > >>>>> "Maynard" == Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> writes: I > > As that revenue stream flows into the company, it may be disbursed to N > > shareholders as dividends, or it may be used to grow the company business,I > > or it may be used to invest in other companies, or it may be used for I > > empire building to grow the company into unrelated businesses. All of H > > these behaviors will have apologists; some have justification in taxK > > avoidance. Any halfway decent finance book will tell you about why they L > > occur and when they usually are or are not a good deal for shareholders. > D > In the case where no dividend is payed, it seems that the only wayK > in which something can be beneficial to shareholders is when it increases I > the value of those shares.  So shareholders buy such stock only because J > they hope that something will happen that will make other people believeC > that the share is worth more.  Sounds very much like poker to me.  >   B Not at all. The money is (at least assuming management are neitherF fraudulent nor incompetent) used to increase the value of the company,G either through purchases of real objects (buildings, computers, factory J eqipment) or by paying people to come up with IP owned by the company (forE example whatever you may think of MS and Windows, the money they have I spent internally on developing Windows has resulted in a product owned by # them that is worth a lot of money).   I There is always the option for a company simply to disband and the assets G (after clearing all senior debt) to be returned to the stockholdes, and F that has happened. However generally, of course, the valuation to bookC value ratio of a company is higher than 1 because it is believed by I stiockholders that the company (as a brand, as a collection of expertise, I as a group of employees who know each other and have some clue as to what @ they are doing) is worth more than simply gutting it for assets.   Maynard    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:44:41 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)@ Subject: Re: BACKUP and Process Quotas (was: Re: SYSTEM HANG-UP)2 Message-ID: <JiAe7.170$bB1.15600@news.cpqcorp.net>  >   I find the strangest discussions under some subject lines...  _ In article <OFA8D8BF9F.CA04AD60-ON85256AA9.0066957B@acml.com>, William_Bochnik@acml.com writes:  : A :not to be too snippy, but obviously he's talking about the quota & :of the account he uses to run backup.     Rudolf Wingert wrote:   ? :> The specialist did say: your quotas for BACKUP are too high.      Didier Morandi wrote: C :>This does not make sense. BACKUP is an image, not a process nor a 7 :>username (afaik). Which quotas are you talking about?     I   BACKUP is exceedingly sensitive to the proportions between the process  I   quotas, as well as to the total settings.  You will want to follow the  G   recommendations for the process quota settings for the operator users K   and any other heavy users of BACKUP, recommendations that are documented  5   in the OpenVMS System Manager's Manual: Essentials.   H   Without having seen the earlier discussions and making a wild guess onG   the subject line, I've seen DECnet connections drop when the process  J   quotas on the originating node are too low and/or badly misproportioned.G   I've seen HELP on the remote system blow away DECnet connections, but F   the connection dropped because the local system (originating the SET6   HOST) could not handle what HELP had required of it.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:03:56 -0400 + From: Craig Lombardi <lombardi@ergosol.com> % Subject: Re: Capturing Opcom messages + Message-ID: <3B7AB98C.B4E3DC13@ergosol.com>    Shameless plug alert...    Yi,   O Your RamPage setup will do this for you via the OPCOM Dispatcher, which uses an E OPCOM listener rather than constantly scanning the operator log file.    $ RAMPAGE/OPCOM=(DEVICES,DISKS) E %RAMPAGE-I-OPCOM, Pager YI enabled for OPCOM class(es) DEVICES, DISKS   P If mount verification is the only thing you care about, you can add rules to the filter file, such as:    ! . ! Filter everything except mount verifications !  FAIL * PASS MountVerification  L If you want to trap events that are captured by OpenVMS audit alarms (failedN file and resource access, break-in attempts, et. al. from SET AUDIT),  use the AUDIT Dispatcher:    $ RAMPAGE/AUDIT=(ROB,JULIE) C %RAMPAGE-I-AUDIT, Audit notification enabled for pager(s) ROB,JULIE    Ung Ho Yi wrote:   > Hello, > M > there's a problem which causes our disks to go into mount verification then  > come out. L > We would like to be alerted when ever the mount verification occurrs so weL > can notify to our Novelle folks who are sharing the same io subsystem(this > is a long story).  > M > One way to do this would be to check the operator log every 10 minutes, but L > this would require the system to read through the whole operator log every > time.  > N > Is there a way to get a new opcom message on a separate file or notice so we. > only need to examine the new opcom messages? > 	 > Thanks,  > yi   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:14:17 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: Capturing Opcom messages 2 Message-ID: <ZZye7.161$bB1.15033@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <9le9vn$bpk$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, "Ung Ho Yi" <yi-1@medctr.osu.edu> writes:  L :there's a problem which causes our disks to go into mount verification then
 :come out. ..L :One way to do this would be to check the operator log every 10 minutes, butK :this would require the system to read through the whole operator log every  :time. : M :Is there a way to get a new opcom message on a separate file or notice so we - :only need to examine the new opcom messages?   D   You can use a pseudo-terminal enabled as an operator terminal, and>   capture arriving OPCOM messages via an associated mailbox.    D   Or you can periodically recreate a new operator.log via REPLY/NEW.  H   But probably the easiest approach is to use something like the exampleG   program SYS$EXAMPLES:MSCPMOUNT or some basic DCL lexicals in a simple G   loop, and simply look at the disk(s) every five or ten minutes.  Run wF   this DCL procedure as a detached job -- it can easily send the emailH   message(s) for you -- and you don't have to process the OPCOM mesages.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:27:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e( Subject: Re: Compaq (CNET - 15-AUG-2001), Message-ID: <3B7ADB11.75F6FE37@videotron.ca>  $ fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br wrote: >  > Clicke > ? > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1276-210-6875986-1.html?tag=bt_pry  @ The scary part is when they compare Compaq's future to Unisys...  L I disagree though of their insinuation that IA64 is superior to Alpha. TheirL article would have had much more punch if they had used "unproven IA64" type of terminology.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:28:20 -0400p' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>/( Subject: Re: Compaq (CNET - 15-AUG-2001)( Message-ID: <9lephh$8vk$1@pyrite.mv.net>  0 <fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF69DA92D9.DB4E15B6-ON03256AA9.0044904C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br... Clickm  = http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1276-210-6875986-1.html?tag=bt_prT  G Good article, at least compared with the average.  I sent the following  response, FWIW:5    J Amazing!  This is the first even remotely-balanced article I've seen sinceK Compaq's June 25th 'Alphacide' announcement.  But it still barely scratcheseI the surface, so I still have to wonder whether investigative reporting in I this industry actually exists and/or whether articles critical of a majore$ advertiser just don't get published.  L Reporting that Compaq sank 'tons of money' into Alpha without also reportingI that (as far as one can discern from quarterly and annual reports, thoughgI Compaq makes this as difficult as it can) the Alpha business has been theoJ main contributor to Compaq's profits (such as they have been) for the pastL couple of years.  Those 'tons of money' seem to have been well-invested, andH simply repeating the words of Compaq honchos like Mike Winkler or CompaqK apologists like Terry Shannon (likely the source of the $250 million annual G figure; Winkler said it was $300 million, but was unlikely to have beentJ erring on the low side, while an eetimes article estimated it at half thatI figure) also deprives the reader of the context to determine whether thatSI figure seems unreasonably large or a real bargain (hint:  compare it with > similar figures for Intel 32-bit and 64-bit chip development).  G And then there's the 21% drop in Compaq's 'vaunted enterprise computing@L business'.  Aside from the fact that Compaq's vaunted PC revenue dropped 22%L in the same period, there's the fact that its 'enterprise' business includesK Intel servers as well as Alpha (and Tandem) systems:  the financial reportscH suggest that at least the main *profit* hit in that area came from IntelL servers due to the need for aggressive pricing - which in turn suggests thatE a major portion of the revenue decrease came from that sector as welleL (especially as it seems to have been a major growth area last year until the Internet 'bubble' burst).n  I And dignifying Compaq's strategy as a 'carbon copy' of a firm (IBM) whichuG has both feet solidly planted in its own proprietary processor hardwarerK (both mainframe and mid-range) and thus a solid entree into the 'serve whattE we sell' business ignores the degree of differentiation and resultinglL one-stop shopping leverage which IBM's proprietary systems provide.  A groupG of us tried to convince Compaq to leverage its own unique products in atK similar manner over a year ago, but clearly no one was listening.  It makeseJ one wonder whether Pfeiffer had this in mind when he bought DEC - and then+ got ousted because the BoD had other plans.a  I And finally, there's that suggestion that Itanium-plus (let alone ItaniumsL with its pre-June-25th potential) will eventually eclipse Alpha's potential.L To all appearances, that just won't happen:  the Itanium architecture is farI less well-suited to high-end server use than Alpha's (for as far into thecE future as one can see), and only promises approximate parity in a fewaF specialized areas.  Compaq, even after 3 years of neglect, still had aL potential world-beater in Alpha, had it ever decided to try to capitalize on+ (i.e., market and aggressively develop) it.s  J But, as I said above, you won't read about any of this in the trade press.G If you want gory details, USENET newsgroups (especially comp.os.vms and K comp.arch, starting on June 25th and to some degree still under discussion) + are about the only places you'll find them.Y  	 Bill Toddy
 Strafford, NHe   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:20:43 +0200p& From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch>3 Subject: Re: Compaq Brochure indicates death of VMS-* Message-ID: <3B7AD99B.F1E8C174@dplanet.ch>   Alan Greig wrote:  > E > I've now received my first written communication direct from Compaq-H > and the enclosed glossy is close to identical to one I've seen on  theH > web. However Seeing it in this form highlights the major inadequacy inH > my opinion. On the inside cover under the heading "It's our future" isD > a quote from Larry Ellison, CEO of Oracle: "Oracle is very excitedB > about Tru64 Unix coming to the Intel platform. Combine this withG > Oracle's Real Application Clusters and the Oracle9i database, and you3C > have the comprehensive solution for the enterprise. Intel, CompaqsF > True64 Unix, and Oracle 9i and Real  Applications Clusters, it's our	 > future"e > B > Then on page 2 under the heading "Compaq now brings to the IntelH > platform an enterprise class Unix operating system" is another EllisonG > quote: "We're thrilled to have this modern 64-bit, Enterprise QualitywG > Operating System now available on top of Intel, the platform leader."r > G > Anyone spot the lack of mention of VMS? A VMS without Oracle productshG > (including RDB, DBMS, CDD) is not viable. Full Stop. No Argument. YesnA > you can have a few niche applications but not a general purpose H > commercial operating system. And not an operating system we could use. > -- > Alan  G The sad fact is that this is self-perpetuating.  Compaq don't advertiset? VMS so no-one knows about it ... so there is no point in Oraclei9 advertising it, which means that the ignorance continues.u  H IIRC, there were also only a few customer "endorsements" of the transferE of Alpha to Intel that actually mentioned VMS.  To be fair there weresH only a few that said anything useful in all of these (which were clearly? written by the same person).  About 90% spouted the unsupported E statements of better price and performance, neither of which has beeni	 proven.  n     John McLeane   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:49:20 GMTt2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)3 Subject: Re: Compaq Brochure indicates death of VMS-2 Message-ID: <kfBe7.174$bB1.16058@news.cpqcorp.net>  S In article <3B7AD99B.F1E8C174@dplanet.ch>, John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> writes:p2 :The sad fact is that this is self-perpetuating.    J   Um, the lack of mentions, or the references to the lack of mentions? :-)    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------P       For additional, please see the [secret] FAQ -- www.[secret].compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------M    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   [secret] Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:00:03 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> / Subject: Compaq Brochure indicates death of VMS 8 Message-ID: <b5vknt8vvb4sm6mua2o15fmrirmkn0v10s@4ax.com>  C I've now received my first written communication direct from CompaqyF and the enclosed glossy is close to identical to one I've seen on  theF web. However Seeing it in this form highlights the major inadequacy inF my opinion. On the inside cover under the heading "It's our future" isB a quote from Larry Ellison, CEO of Oracle: "Oracle is very excited@ about Tru64 Unix coming to the Intel platform. Combine this withE Oracle's Real Application Clusters and the Oracle9i database, and you A have the comprehensive solution for the enterprise. Intel, CompaquD True64 Unix, and Oracle 9i and Real  Applications Clusters, it's our future"r  @ Then on page 2 under the heading "Compaq now brings to the IntelF platform an enterprise class Unix operating system" is another EllisonE quote: "We're thrilled to have this modern 64-bit, Enterprise QualitygE Operating System now available on top of Intel, the platform leader."u  E Anyone spot the lack of mention of VMS? A VMS without Oracle products E (including RDB, DBMS, CDD) is not viable. Full Stop. No Argument. Yese? you can have a few niche applications but not a general purposeoF commercial operating system. And not an operating system we could use. -- Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:17:40 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>-E Subject: Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custoe8 Message-ID: <rgbknt494mj60sol630tmamrihkfgmdccm@4ax.com>  2 On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 07:58:26 +0200, Andreas Strahm" <andreas.strahm@siemens.ch> wrote:   >WILLIAM WEBB wrote: >.C >> IMHO the only thing that Windows can do that VMS cannot is BSOD.l >> s	 >> WWWebbw >e@ >I have to disagree with you there. I have to see a BSOD of VMS A >(bugcheck or black screen of death) at least as often as a BSOD s? >of WinNT. The  bugcheck is often caused by UCX or the X-serverr, >of VAX/VMS 6.1 under heavy load conditions.  D If you are seeing a VMS system regularly bugchecking due to problemsF with Compaq supplied software then you should call support and not letE them drop the ball until it is fixed. This is VMS not Windows and youaD should not be seeing regular crashes. If Compaq have already been atD the system double check that BUGCHECKFATAL and SYSTEM_CHECK are bothE zero. At a previous employer a DEC specialist set BUGCHECKFATAL whilenB on site when I was on vacation (and nobody told me...). It took meB some time after my return to notice that some of our Pathworks/UCX5 related system crashes were caused by this being set.l  C Of course VMS 6.1 is not a supported release any more AFAIK so have  you thought of upgrading?e    
 >A. Strahm   -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 22:25:35 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)E Subject: RE: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custo 2 Message-ID: <zzhe7.120$bB1.13754@news.cpqcorp.net>  Z In article <0033000032253163000002L032*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:A :IMHO the only thing that Windows can do that VMS cannot is BSOD.a  G   You clearly haven't seen the BSOD screen saver that is available for  J   X Windows.  (One version of this screen saver rotates through the BSOD, I   the Mac bomb, and other similar displays.  No, I haven't seen one that .   displays a bugcheck.)u  /   In other words, yes, we can display that. :-)y  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Aug 2001 12:02:00 GMT- From: kraemer@clri6e.gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)uE Subject: RE: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custop4 Message-ID: <9ldobo$n7a$1@sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>  g In article <zzhe7.120$bB1.13754@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:m\ > In article <0033000032253163000002L032*@MHS>, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> writes:C > :IMHO the only thing that Windows can do that VMS cannot is BSOD.e > I >   You clearly haven't seen the BSOD screen saver that is available for wL >   X Windows.  (One version of this screen saver rotates through the BSOD, K >   the Mac bomb, and other similar displays.  No, I haven't seen one that e >   displays a bugcheck.)o >   2 Where can I get those screen savers for X Window ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 07:22:30 +0200 0 From: Andreas Strahm <andreas.strahm@siemens.ch>E Subject: Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custod* Message-ID: <3B7B5896.A85EE107@siemens.ch>   dittman@dittman.net wrote:  3 > Andreas Strahm <andreas.strahm@siemens.ch> wrote:s >n? > : Using VAXELN as an operating system on the latest availablep? > : VAXen (3100-98) is a pain. Under heavy load conditions in al@ > : really large local network (more than 20 VAXen using VAXELN)< > : the VAXELN network feature freezes randomly on those new; > : machines. We don't have a clue how to fix this issue...e > 6 > Are the VAXELN systems the only ones on the network?  > No, there are several X-terminals on the same LAN segment too.> Furthermore there are alpha workstations on the same network, , but they are bridged from that LAN segment.     	 A. Strahm-   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2001 10:29:08 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> Y Subject: Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will   no:H Message-ID: <y4elqdenfv.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  . Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes:  I > We do, with VMS, things that we cannot do with Windows, and vice-versa.i  D I disagree. There is no inherent reason why the usual "productivity"B applications couldn't be available for VMS. It has more to do withF marketing and the fact that nobody would be buying Windows in whateverC form if Microsoft Office were available on another platform, or the G Office file formats were sufficiently documented and stable that clonestF to Word, Excel & Co. would have a chance in the market. And the latter could easily run on VMS.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Aug 2001 12:06:18 GMT- From: kraemer@clri6e.gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)EY Subject: Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will   no:4 Message-ID: <9ldojq$n7a$2@sun27.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>   In article <y4elqdenfv.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:0 > Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> writes: > K > > We do, with VMS, things that we cannot do with Windows, and vice-versa.e > F > I disagree. There is no inherent reason why the usual "productivity"D > applications couldn't be available for VMS. It has more to do withH > marketing and the fact that nobody would be buying Windows in whateverE > form if Microsoft Office were available on another platform, or the-I > Office file formats were sufficiently documented and stable that clones@H > to Word, Excel & Co. would have a chance in the market. And the latter > could easily run on VMS. >  > 	Jan  J But it doesn't, and few people care. If you want Office & Co, buy Windoze,C that's the usual answer. On several UNIces you can have at leat onecD of these: ApplixWare, StarOffice, WordPerfect, but nobody would buy & a UNIX workstation just to run Applix.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:28:26 -0400t5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>hY Subject: Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will no lm2 Message-ID: <dOue7.135$bB1.13686@news.cpqcorp.net>  = Didier Morandi wrote in message <3B798F7F.F9CEE1AB@gmx.ch>...i  @ >As far as DECwindows is concerned, it was (to me) an attempt toA >introduce the mouse and do point and click rather than charactery? >oriented display interfaces (and it did it well). It was not ag >challenger to Windows.T    I DECwindows came about as Digital decided that we needed a single cross OS)= strategy for graphical interfaces.  In the bake-off, the theneI still-in-development X11 was selected as the low-level graphics over VWS. I The intent was to try and license MS Windows (which was very primitive at L the time - non-overlapping windows, etc) as the user API and GUI.  But sinceG that never worked out, DEC developed XUI - and X11/XUI were packaged as-L DECwindows.  Subsequently, the industry (including DEC) standardized the API& and created Motif, and eventually CDE.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:10:57 GMT02 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: CTRL Keys2 Message-ID: <RWye7.159$bB1.14833@news.cpqcorp.net>  h In article <000001c1252a$86d5d7a0$100a640a@Patrick.fsc.com.fj>, A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> writes:  J   Please turn off MIME in your Microsoft client -- your Microsoft mailing L   tool will normally have a preference or option that enables text postings.F   Why?  Your one-line question actually required thirty-five lines of E   MIME-related "stuff".  And all sorts of "interesting" stuff can be -F   embedded within MIME-encoded HTML, stuff that I'd rather not have to   deal with.  Thanks!.     As for your question...   G :How do you disable CTRL - C function in Gembase running from Open VMS?m  ,   Please ask the folks that support Gembase.  I   You can disable Ctrl/C and Ctrl/Y at DCL using the SET CONTROL command,p@   and within a program something akin to the attached will work.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   	--i   /*D //  Demonstrate CTRL/Y and CTRL/C handling under OpenVMS, as well asC //  some basic dynamic string descriptor operations and a few other   //  string-related operations... //= //  Stephen Hoffman, Compaq Computer Corporation, 15-Dec-1998e //   //  To build and use:t //    $ CC/DECC LIB$XXABLE_CTRLl //    $ LINK LIB$XXABLE_CTRL //    $ RUN LIB$XXABLE_CTRLo */ #include <descrip.h> #include <iodef.h> #include <libclidef.h> #include <lib$routines.h>b #include <ssdef.h> #include <starlet.h> #include <stdio.h> #include <stsdef.h>l     void CtrlYHandler()l   {e   int RetStat;,   $DESCRIPTOR( Y, "<CTRL/Y> was detected" );!   RetStat = lib$put_output( &Y );i&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return; 0   RetStat = lib$enable_ctrl( &LIB$M_CLI_CTRLY );&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return;x	   return;i   }e   void CtrlCHandler()s   {a   int RetStat;,   $DESCRIPTOR( Y, "<CTRL/C> was detected" );!   RetStat = lib$put_output( &Y );-&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return;o0   RetStat = lib$enable_ctrl( &LIB$M_CLI_CTRLY );&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return;r	   return;p   }%   main()   {e   int RetStat;   unsigned short int IOChan;   unsigned short int GotLen;K   struct dsc$descriptor GotDsc = { 0, DSC$K_DTYPE_T, DSC$K_CLASS_D, NULL };tO   $DESCRIPTOR( Prompt, "Enter CTRL/Y, CTRL/C, or any characters and RETURN:" );n$   $DESCRIPTOR( Exiting, "Exiting" );   $DESCRIPTOR( TTDsc, "TT:");t  1   RetStat = lib$disable_ctrl( &LIB$M_CLI_CTRLY );w&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return RetStat;a0   RetStat = sys$assign( &TTDsc, &IOChan, 0, 0 );&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return RetStat;rD   RetStat = sys$qiow( 0, IOChan, IO$_SETMODE|IO$M_CTRLYAST, 0, 0, 0,"     CtrlYHandler, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 );&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return RetStat; D   RetStat = sys$qiow( 0, IOChan, IO$_SETMODE|IO$M_CTRLCAST, 0, 0, 0,"     CtrlCHandler, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 );&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return RetStat;n7   RetStat = lib$get_input( &GotDsc, &Prompt, &GotLen );i&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return RetStat;g!   RetStat = sys$dassgn( IOChan );e&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return RetStat;t0   RetStat = lib$enable_ctrl( &LIB$M_CLI_CTRLY );&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return RetStat;u'   RetStat = lib$put_output( &Exiting );l&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return RetStat;h%   RetStat = lib$sfree1_dd( &GotDsc );i&   if (!$VMS_STATUS_SUCCESS( RetStat ))     return RetStat;A   return SS$_NORMAL;   }c   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2001 18:17:34 -0000+ From: Doc.Cypher <doc_cypher@nym.alias.net>y Subject: Re: CTRL Keys6 Message-ID: <20010815181734.12088.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  < On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote:/ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"   >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >gG >How do you disable CTRL - C function in Gembase running from Open VMS?t  2 Add "SET DEBUG NONE" to your Gembase startup file.     Doc. - -- l6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.netL   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----: Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBO3mtcsriC3SGiziTAQET0AgAlXjL6tw7m/cMx5E1GgplCa9M90VgShfC@ bvmCSiZ80qW6Z3vS19KkIHzRjeghcmh05GS+VXxc2NxiYwiXKw9xECfN8NGCpvLR@ U2nz9gLIdgZyg30kSS8YoShUiZ400qwxkf4ysngGxQCyvYyaPSNt3A/vfcQxWsTy@ jb7gqvX847swm+VnwQpq5BMRF6aH4q1iMtALI15IYcA0VUGiGP/FgT/dsNA9+8Qk@ NlPuWoTlsQRUnUdXoJrHMAkhaamFKak7QQwOEnJdtnsGqRCQAS4B2qEMRqvBkJlg8 vvAb5UlhwHGBy0LqGFqDuW2b8k6hQzI5lPrlITjpwOSxzgep+J+F+A== =Hukk  -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:27:08 +0200p, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> Subject: Re: CTRL Keys& Message-ID: <3B7ABEFC.5303AFC8@gmx.ch>   A Bonaveidogo wrote: > H > How do you disable CTRL - C function in Gembase running from Open VMS? >  >  > AB   $ create start_gembase.com $ set nocontrole $ set control=Ti# $ assign/user sys$command sys$input + $ gembase whatever_params_you_need_to_starty $ exit ^Z $r   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:45:05 GMTt From: danco@pebble.org ()a Subject: Re: CTRL Keys- Message-ID: <slrn9nlkfj.4g3.danco@pebble.org>   K On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:35:11 +1200, A Bonaveidogo <Asena@fsc.com.fj> wrote:   G >How do you disable CTRL - C function in Gembase running from Open VMS?e   Enter the DCL command:   $ define gem_disable_ctrlc yes   Then run gembase.a   - Dann   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 21:06:45 -0400e2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)3 Subject: Re: DECnet-over-IP or NFSmount for backupsdL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1408012106450001@user-2iveacb.dialup.mindspring.com>  < In article <3B79C272.856D5C83@email.sps.mot.com>, Linda Luik! <p14175@email.sps.mot.com> wrote:M  N > I'm losing DECnet Phase IV service to a few machines and need to convert theL > backups to use IP instead. Multinet RMTALLOC is way too slow.  Which wouldF > the better choice? DECnet-over-IP (Multinet) or NFSmount (multinet)?  F DECnet-plus over TCPIP will allow most (all?) of your applications andG procedures to continue to run without change.  It will work between any J two VMS system with compliant TCPIP stacks, which I think means any of theJ commercially available ones.  The two systems do NOT have to have the sameJ TCPIP stack.  Once configured, this just looks like DECnet.  It's probably your best bet.  H Folks who are very accustomed to the management style of DECnet phase IVI often dislike DECnet-plus, since it's so different.  For a typical simple-J configuration, the automatic procedures do most of the work, and you don'tJ need to sweat the details.  Complicated things are, well, complicated, and. aren't done the way they were in the old days.  B The DECnet-plus manuals are available online.  You should skip the) introductory stuff to see what it's like.e  I Multinet has a separate DECnet-over-IP, which only works between multinetcG systems.  When I last saw it, it gave about the same functionality, anda# could coexist with DECnet phase IV.w  I NFS is a unixy protocol that doesn't understand VMS very well.  I'd avoiddH it for moving files between VMS systems, except as a last resort.  Since? any (?) of the TCPIP packages that give you NFS will also allow < DECnet-plus over TCPIP, the last resort should never happen.   -- r Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:42:38 +0100h1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>93 Subject: Re: DECnet-over-IP or NFSmount for backups 6 Message-ID: <3B7B16FD.635B9620@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  D But Didier, as Robert also pointed out you can have a DEcnet with IPC solution using Multinet which will co-exist with DECnet Classic (ornE Phase IV as it's more commonly known).  The disadvantages of this are F that one requires Multinet at both ends and it's tunneling rather than/ using IP as a transport layer as Phase V would.aF You also require a routing license on the nodes rather than a DVNETENDB license since Multinet creates the tunnelled interface as a second( DECnet interface on each of the systems. Steve.     Didier Morandi wrote:o >  > Robert Deininger wrote:A > >t > J > > DECnet-plus over TCPIP will allow most (all?) of your applications andK > > procedures to continue to run without change.  It will work between anytN > > two VMS system with compliant TCPIP stacks, which I think means any of theN > > commercially available ones.  The two systems do NOT have to have the same > > TCPIP stack. > J > But they DO need to have all of them DECnet-Plus. You cannot, of course,A > do over IP between a DECnet-Plus and a DECnet Phase-IV systems.s >  > D.   --  G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeeE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.TA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'".% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"u   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2001 13:21:31 -0700C From: john.babiarz at babiarz.org <john.babiarz_member@newsguy.com>m Subject: EFN$C_ENF) Message-ID: <9lelkb023db@drn.newsguy.com>o  5 I like to know when EFN$C_ENF first became available.a  < I have a vms system using 6.2. Some of the code I am porting; has sys$setimr(EFN$C_ENF,,,... and could not compile.I havei7 faked it out, but during runtime I get illegal cluster.a  < The runtime system will be 7.2, but I do not have a compiler on that system.   ! Is there a work around I can use.y     tia  john babiarz   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2001 17:57:27 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: EFN$C_ENF3 Message-ID: <sMZxkdZH1nKH@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  o In article <9lelkb023db@drn.newsguy.com>, john.babiarz at babiarz.org <john.babiarz_member@newsguy.com> writes:h7 > I like to know when EFN$C_ENF first became available.n  D I thought I remembered the feature as coming in VMS 7.1, but looking< at the Alpha definitions the _symbol_ showed up in VMS V7.0.  > > I have a vms system using 6.2. Some of the code I am porting= > has sys$setimr(EFN$C_ENF,,,... and could not compile.I haved9 > faked it out, but during runtime I get illegal cluster.  > > > The runtime system will be 7.2, but I do not have a compiler > on that system.   " So you know that the value is 128.  D I would suggest creating your own LIB_GET_EF routine, and calling itB everyplace you would have called LIB$GET_EF.  Inside your routine,? check the VMS version and if it is too low, call the LIB$GET_EF-+ routine.  If it is high enough, return 128.-  C Obviously once you have determined the VMS version you should storenA it in static memory within the program so you don't keep fetching ? it on each call to youf LIB_GET_EF routine.  The version of VMSaA is unlikely to change during a single activation of your program,h? at least until they implement _lots_ of Tandem-like features int VMS :-)n   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2001 12:24:16 -0700  From: mread3@csc.com (Mike Read) Subject: Flexelint and C++< Message-ID: <2f2f7d6.0108151124.716cce3f@posting.google.com>   Hi,I  C Has anyone successfully managed to run Gimpel Softwares "Flexelint"  productaF on a C++ program with the Rogue Wave Standard Template Library Headers ?w   We have OpenVMS 7.2, s C++ 6.2 (I think)  Flexelint 7.5ad   B The problem appears to be that the Flexelint program does not know	 about the F #defines that the compiler adds automatically, such as __VMS, __DECCXX etc.  @ Any ideas on how I can obtain all the #defines that the compilerF automatically generates, so that the Flexelint program will follow the same path through the headers.  @ Have tried examining the .LIS file created via CXX/LIST/SHOW=ALL file.cxx  E However I still appear to be missing something, and the output in the>	 .LIS filenD does still not show all the _DECFIXnnnn definitions that are checkedE extensively in the header STDCOMP supplied by Rogue Wave and modifiedl
 by Compaq.  ) Any thoughts would be gratefully received    Mike   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Aug 2001 13:37 PDTs+ From: rankin@eql14.caltech.edu (Pat Rankin). Subject: Re: Flexelint and C++1 Message-ID: <15AUG200113371364@eql14.caltech.edu>e  = In article <2f2f7d6.0108151124.716cce3f@posting.google.com>,\r%  mread3@csc.com (Mike Read) writes...k [...] B > Any ideas on how I can obtain all the #defines that the compilerH > automatically generates, so that the Flexelint program will follow the  > same path through the headers.  =      I don't have C++ installed, but I assume that its online = documentation is reasonably similar to C's.  With the latter,   + $ help CC Language_topics Predefined_Macrosn  ; (combined with its subtopics) has the information you want.   2                 Pat Rankin, rankin@eql.caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Aug 2001 19:39:09 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e Subject: Re: Good VMS news3 Message-ID: <NAIIbVERD94K@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  [ In article <3B79C3E0.EA8914DA@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:f > John Nebel wrote:e >> i >> ISV news. >> aF >> A few weeks ago the transition from MVS to VMS was made for a largeK >> State application and the MVS software was shut down.  This project took-, >> about 3 years and is not going away soon. >> m9 >> A small wake was held for the old MVS software Friday.u >> SL >> VMS looks might it may "own" this application and it is applicable to all, >> states.  Too bad I can't say more here :) > J > Can you at least say if it's something that more than one state might be > interested in? > J > Granted, that's only 50 customers nationwide, but hey - every little bit > helps!  A We could start a guessing game, based on the statement that it isn applicable to all states.   4 	Because of New Hampshire (at least) it can't be for 	State Income Tax.  7 	Because of Louisiana certain Judicial applications are 
 	unlikely.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:01:38 +0200i$ From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@post.ch> Subject: Re: Good VMS news Message-ID: <3b7a2c63$1@hcwe67>n   Hi John,   like I said:  K VMS is the only real alternative among midrange computers to replace an IBMa
 Mainframe.   regardsn   Jakob   5 "John Nebel" <nebel@csdco.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag A news:Pine.OSF.4.21.0108141534180.24659-100000@athena.csdco.com...  >c > ISV news.v >tE > A few weeks ago the transition from MVS to VMS was made for a largeoJ > State application and the MVS software was shut down.  This project took+ > about 3 years and is not going away soon.0 > 8 > A small wake was held for the old MVS software Friday. >cK > VMS looks might it may "own" this application and it is applicable to alll+ > states.  Too bad I can't say more here :). >c > John Nebel >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 20:57:53 -0400i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Good VMS newsL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1408012057530001@user-2iveacb.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <NAIIbVERD94K@eisner.encompasserve.org>, : Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:     > = >         Because of New Hampshire (at least) it can't be fore >         State Income Tax.X  $ Also Wyoming, and IIRC a few others.  @ >         Because of Louisiana certain Judicial applications are >         unlikely.   J Unless someone has implemented a PCI-to-corpse adapter, Illinois rules out" the use of this system for voting.   -- a Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comb   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:13:58 -0600 (MDT)a" From: John Nebel <nebel@csdco.com> Subject: Re: Good VMS newsG Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0108151912020.16474-100000@athena.csdco.com>o  2 At least it's not another end-of-the-world thread!  
 John Nebel  & On 14 Aug 2001, Larry Kilgallen wrote:  ] > In article <3B79C3E0.EA8914DA@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > John Nebel wrote:o > >> n > >> ISV news. > >> lH > >> A few weeks ago the transition from MVS to VMS was made for a largeM > >> State application and the MVS software was shut down.  This project took . > >> about 3 years and is not going away soon. > >> g; > >> A small wake was held for the old MVS software Friday.t > >>  N > >> VMS looks might it may "own" this application and it is applicable to all. > >> states.  Too bad I can't say more here :) > > L > > Can you at least say if it's something that more than one state might be > > interested in? > > L > > Granted, that's only 50 customers nationwide, but hey - every little bit
 > > helps! > C > We could start a guessing game, based on the statement that it is- > applicable to all states.o > 6 > 	Because of New Hampshire (at least) it can't be for > 	State Income Tax. > 9 > 	Because of Louisiana certain Judicial applications are- > 	unlikely. >    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 12:05:08 -0700 (PDT)/. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br>* Subject: http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org@ Message-ID: <20010815190508.74180.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>  " This site is not working anymore ?   Regardsp   F=E1bio Cardoso5   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D/L =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3DL F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso OpenVMS System Manager Petrobras / Rio de Janeiro BrazilL =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D   2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?H Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2001 15:48:30 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org3 Message-ID: <Ir0zrXfl39F6@eisner.encompasserve.org>O  q In article <20010815190508.74180.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>, Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> writes:u$ > This site is not working anymore ?    For some of us, it never worked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:13:49 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>i. Subject: Re: http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org( Message-ID: <3B7AE60D.775A3D2A@mmaz.com>  J It is up and running but it took a couple attempts, DNS seems to be timingJ out and having a hard time resolving their FQDN.  Perhaps they pulled a MS8 and have all of their DNS servers on the same network...   Barryf   Fabio Cardoso wrote:  $ > This site is not working anymore ? > 	 > Regardsn >T > F=E1bio Cardoso  >  > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3DSN > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3DE > F=E1bio dos Santos Cardoso > OpenVMS System Manager > Petrobras / Rio de Janeiro > BrazilN > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3DT >,4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?J > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/T   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOh  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:48:12 GMTE. From: "mulp" <michaelpettengill@earthlink.net>F Subject: Re: I just have to post this - and apoligse later Alpha/IntelF Message-ID: <Mtze7.11219$Kl2.1107707@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  1 "Scott Vieth" <svieth@wi.rr.com> wrote in message # news:3B7721D9.4F269F87@wi.rr.com...-8 > Isn't *every* company is the business of making money?  H I didn't catch the name, but last night on NBR they mentioned a new bookJ about what makes a company successful.  I only caught a few sound bites (IJ have it on tape so I will reveiw it later) but the ones that I caught were something like>     - you need weird people because they are the most creativeC     - focusing on making money ensures that you won't be successful   J That certainly has been proved by DEC's history - the more the company wasJ driven by making money, the worse its prospects became.  And lots of DEC'sE classic weird people left because the company was headed in the wrongBD direction and they were almost universally the most creative people.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 05:51:24 GMTG From: Robin <rlb@austin.rr.com>20 Subject: Introduction and BACKUP recommendations- Message-ID: <3B7A0DDB.F62580F1@austin.rr.com>t  > I've been lurking the past couple of weeks and decided to step forward.  C I'm not completely new to OpenVMS.  I have been a programmer/DB MgrJ@ on an OpenVMS system that we shared with other State users.  The< system management/facility management had been outsourced to8 Northrup Grumman via a state-wide contract.  My agency'sB powers-that-be decided to bring our stuff in-house and now I'm the@ proud possessor of an Alpha OpenVMS 7.3 server.  Suddenly I'm noB longer a glorified user I'm now a system manager.  I've spent that@ last 3 weeks moving applications and migrating data and I'm VERY tired.  B Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could recommend that best way toA do backups.  The consultant that did the initial install/setup of B the server set up a little command procedure that works fine.  ButC when I was digging into it further today, I noticed he is using theaB /image switch and got to wondering if that's really what we want. ; From what I gather, I guess this means that if a restore iso> necessary the entire image must be restored.  If I only need aA single file, this would be a pain to "back rev" the entire system10 for one file.  Anyone have any opinions on this?  8 Also, we are running volume shadowing that was installed? last-minute, so if that backup procedure needs to be changed tocB reflect this I don't think the consultant did it.  Any wisdom here would be appreciated also.   Robinp
 Austin, TX   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:17:06 +0100o% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>a4 Subject: Re: Introduction and BACKUP recommendations8 Message-ID: <r5tknts590q9g98hj6gn74tpgtoh87epgn@4ax.com>  @ On 15 Aug 2001 06:11:43 -0500, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  P >In article <3B7A0DDB.F62580F1@austin.rr.com>, Robin <rlb@austin.rr.com> writes:A >> I've been lurking the past couple of weeks and decided to stepl >> forward.o >.C >If you are hesitant to ask questions like this in front of a largenE >audience, you might consider subscribing to DECUServe/Encompasserve. C >Use telnet to connect to eisner.decus.org for a free subscription. ? >The major discussion vehicle is DECnotes, which does require apC >working terminal emulator (i.e., not the Microsoft one), or a realw
 >terminal.  ? It took me years to find this out but Hilgraeve, authors of theoE Microsoft terminal emulator Hyperterminal, provide a free upgrade forEE personal use. Apparently the version Microsoft ships is intentionallyo6 crippled at Microsoft's request.. The upgrade web page( http://www.hilgraeve.com/htpe/index.html even mentions VMSm   From the Hilgraeve FAQ:   & What is HyperTerminal Private Edition?  C HyperTerminal Private Edition (HyperTerminal PE) is a more powerfulnC version of HyperTerminal, which Microsoft includes with Windows 95, E Windows 98, and Windows NT 4.0. Hilgraeve developed HyperTerminal foraE Microsoft, and began providing HyperTerminal PE free for personal usetC shortly after the release of Windows 95. Each successive release ofnF HyperTerminal PE has won new awards and caused the program's followingC to swell. It is today one of the most popular free downloads on the 	 Internet.:          E >The group is smaller than comp.os.vms, but with some members who arenC >quite expert.  The general discussion level is civil all the time, C >so it can be more friendly to those who think Usenet News is a bitC >rough-and-tumble. >  >Larry Kilgallen   -- Alan   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Aug 2001 08:16:08 CDT= From: wayne@tachysoft.xxx.580099.killspam.0160 (Wayne Sewell) 4 Subject: Re: Introduction and BACKUP recommendations. Message-ID: <4gQtCc57ToAc@tachxxsoftxxconsult>  O In article <3B7A0DDB.F62580F1@austin.rr.com>, Robin <rlb@austin.rr.com> writes: @ > I've been lurking the past couple of weeks and decided to step
 > forward. > E > I'm not completely new to OpenVMS.  I have been a programmer/DB MgryB > on an OpenVMS system that we shared with other State users.  The> > system management/facility management had been outsourced to: > Northrup Grumman via a state-wide contract.  My agency'sD > powers-that-be decided to bring our stuff in-house and now I'm theB > proud possessor of an Alpha OpenVMS 7.3 server.  Suddenly I'm noD > longer a glorified user I'm now a system manager.  I've spent thatB > last 3 weeks moving applications and migrating data and I'm VERY > tired. > D > Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could recommend that best way toC > do backups.  The consultant that did the initial install/setup ofaD > the server set up a little command procedure that works fine.  ButE > when I was digging into it further today, I noticed he is using the7D > /image switch and got to wondering if that's really what we want.   K I would say so.  It's the best way to back up an entire disk and the *only* O reasonable way to back up a system disk or any disk with directory aliases.  IfmI you have alias directories, everything in them will be backed up multiplem times.  = > From what I gather, I guess this means that if a restore is 0 > necessary the entire image must be restored.    O No.  You may be thinking of a physical backup.  An image backup stores files onbN tapes individually, just like a non-image backup.  Any single file or group ofK files can be restored indendently.  The /select qualifier is used for this,E! just like with non-image backups.r   >If I only need a C > single file, this would be a pain to "back rev" the entire systemr2 > for one file.  Anyone have any opinions on this?  E See above.  No problems restoring a single file from an image backup.r  : > Also, we are running volume shadowing that was installedA > last-minute, so if that backup procedure needs to be changed tosD > reflect this I don't think the consultant did it.  Any wisdom here > would be appreciated also.  1 Can't help you there.  I've never used shadowing.i   -- cO ===============================================================================nM Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxxg: http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html  K change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-)nO ===============================================================================1H Randolph Duke (in Trading Places): "Mother always said you were greedy.". Mortimer Duke: "She meant it as a compliment!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:31:22 -0400r/ From: "Joseph B. Gurman" <gurman@gsfc.nasa.gov>l Subject: Re: OpenVMS  + Itaniumt? Message-ID: <gurman-91F38C.16312215082001@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov>M  G In article <3B784EA1.940C96A7@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:0  & > This would be a great new feature !! > Although, new ??L > Those of us who worked with the good old PDP11 and RSX11D may remember theE > SAV command. You could do a sysgen, thus building a system with allcL > drivers and installed images, and when you had it running dumping a memoryG > image of this sytem to disk with the SAV command. SAV/BOOT would alsorL > write the bootblock if I remember correctly, but you could also write moreA > images, and boot from a specific image (from a running system).   H     ....took about half an hour, too, in RSX-11M on an RL02, if my aged   neurons aren't failing me again.  A     And building the system in SYSGEN.... remember the SET TI: =   COFFEBREAK message?t       Oh, the humanity....                     Joe Gurman   -- tC | Joseph B. Gurman, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Solar Physicsn> | Branch, Greenbelt MD 20771 USA / Federal employees are still@ | prohibited from holding opinions while at work. Therefore, any1 | opinions expressed herein are  somebody else's.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 06:55:39 +0200g* From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il> Subject: Re: OpenVMS  + ItaniumF+ Message-ID: <3B7B524B.1C63FDED@tzora.co.il>3   "Joseph B. Gurman" wrote:a >    > B >     And building the system in SYSGEN.... remember the SET TI: = > COFFEBREAK message?. >  >     Oh, the humanity....  ( Does anyone recall RSTS SYSGEN circa V6?8 If you had set Hertz = 60 the message was something like" ... Go make yourself some coffee..A but if you were at Hertz = 50 (i.e. not U.S.A.) it would send yous to have some tea.t   ~Mikea   --  E ---------------------------------------------------------------------nE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.t? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*-G Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home):(972)-2-9908337  lB   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------c* ------ GEEK CODE BLOCK (Version: 3.1)-----( GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++' N++ K? w--- V+++$ PS+ PE-- t X- tv-- b+  DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@a* ---------- END GEEK CODE BLOCK  ----------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:19:10 -0400o- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>.Y Subject: Re: OT:  Yugo -- was You Get What You Pay For, a.k.a., There's No Free Lunch Lunt( Message-ID: <3B7ACB2A.F1B49AB5@ohio.edu>  N My favorite Yugo story was the dealership in Kalamazoo, MI, in 1989, which had= on their big sign, "1988 Yugo, $5995, buy one, get one free."   #                                 RDPn     Jerry Leslie wrote:e  ( > Bill Todd (billtodd@foo.mv.com) wrote: > :d: > : "Jerry Leslie" <leslie@clio.rice.edu> wrote in message% > : news:9knnao$3n0$1@joe.rice.edu...o6 > : > David J. Dachtera (djesys.nospam@fsi.net) wrote:O > : > : I get that here on OSR2. I'll leave come back in a couple of hours, try N > : > : open Eudora, Netscape or whatever, and it'll just hang. When I finallyO > : > : do get a response to the three-fingered-salute, it says that the system$I > : > : is dangerously low on resources (whatever TF *THAT*'s supposed toa > : > : mean!).p > : >o" > : > : Micro$hit - Gotta love it! > : > D > : > "You're riding with Microsoft, the Firestone of the Internet!" > :.H > : Hardly fair to Firestone, since only a miniscule percentage of their > : products are defective.r > :iH > True, perhaps "Yugo" would be better, or some other problematic autos. >tI > However, the general public would probably take that as a compliment toaK > Firestone, since they only see the Microsoft ads with the servers humming  > away with no one in sight. > F > If they happen to work with Microsoft products, they assume that all > software has similar defects.    --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:04:06 +0100 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>i@ Subject: Re: OT: Citroen C5 Re: AMD and Samsung could save Alpha8 Message-ID: <m2bkntoc9cu4r3dpc9ser1rpnod762p0ku@4ax.com>  , On Tue, 14 Aug 2001 12:06:49 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:s   >Alan Greig wrote:K >> >This perhaps makes more sense, if you know in the UK we call the trunk,a >> >a boot.i >>  B >> I wondered if this was the 'joke' but surely it doesn't have 19 >> computers in the boot?  >0N >No ! Heck, I am not in the UK and I understood it.... The car was rebooted... >its boot was redesigned !  = Possibly but the wording is "has 19 computers which have beeneF rebooted".  Doesn't say the car has been rebooted which would fit withE your suggestion. But, in any case, I stick with my first description:e	 "AdWank"..   Alan -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:35:41 GMTw3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>r@ Subject: Re: OT: Citroen C5 Re: AMD and Samsung could save Alpha/ Message-ID: <3B7A9510.82974268@cableinet.co.uk>    Nic Clews wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:w > >aP > > You forget that Alpha might have other uses, such as Nintendo game boxes etcO > > etc. Also, didn't Ford at one point embed alphas in cars ? (or was that the  > > powerpc chip ?)  > >  > B > The latest round of Citroen C5 ads in the UK claim, that for theD > 'estate' version of the C5, all 19 computers "have been rebooted". >   E yeah, I saw that, didn't make much sense as a marketting slogan to meaB but then, why call the product C5 anyway, when that has such a bad. reputation with Bristish public (Sinclair:-)).  3 Anyway, I don't have to reboot my XM that often :-)o  I > This perhaps makes more sense, if you know in the UK we call the trunk,-	 > a boot.- >  > --* > Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences > nclews at csc dot como   -- y Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  .  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of 6! my employers or service provider.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:42:11 GMT33 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>3@ Subject: Re: OT: Citroen C5 Re: AMD and Samsung could save Alpha/ Message-ID: <3B7A9699.5C49752E@cableinet.co.uk>    Alan Greig wrote:=  ! > ? > Possibly but the wording is "has 19 computers which have been_H > rebooted".  Doesn't say the car has been rebooted which would fit withG > your suggestion. But, in any case, I stick with my first description:d > "AdWank".   -= agreed, even the original add with the car driving over badly0% superposed 1's and 0's is pretty lamea   -- y Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  /  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of r! my employers or service provider.5   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:22:45 +0100o1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>?@ Subject: Re: OT: Citroen C5 Re: AMD and Samsung could save Alpha6 Message-ID: <3B7B1255.19372EDD@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>  B But if it got shunted and the lights went off then the system disk+ shadow set might dissolve anyway......  :-)A   Steve.   Nic Clews wrote: >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > >s > > Nic Clews wrote:F > > > The latest round of Citroen C5 ads in the UK claim, that for theH > > > 'estate' version of the C5, all 19 computers "have been rebooted". > >aI > > yeah, I saw that, didn't make much sense as a marketting slogan to me F > > but then, why call the product C5 anyway, when that has such a bad2 > > reputation with Bristish public (Sinclair:-)). > >37 > > Anyway, I don't have to reboot my XM that often :-)r > G > It raises an interesting question. If the C5 got shunted in the back,=F > literally crashing the computers, would they assume that it has justE > gone dark, it was raining very hard and the car was taking a cornern+ > pretty fast? http://www.citroen.co.uk/c5/! > < > My BX (diesel) is 4/5 the way to the moon by its odometer. >  > --* > Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences > nclews at csc dot com    -- 4G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent likeeE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath.lA Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'"r% 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"K   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:12:27 -0400.5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>m Subject: Re: Press Release2 Message-ID: <fzue7.133$bB1.14119@news.cpqcorp.net>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3B794B59.C5A1B7EF@videotron.ca>... E >re: those military VMS systems replacing old DG systems in aircraft.a >iL >Would this deal which made the press have been in the works/negotiated wellL >before the June 25 murder of Alpha and announced only now that the software isI >operational etc, or would it have just been negotiated with the militaryy+ >having full knowledge that Alpha is dead ?t  9 Can we get over the inflamitory languange on every topic?t  L The press announcement from Northrop/Grumman was the *delivery* of the firstK aircraft to their customer (the US government).  Obviously this has been ina- development for a significant amount of time.   F VMS has been running these aircraft since the early '90's.  The latestJ incarnation replaces Militarized VAX and Alphas with off-the-shelf Alphas.  F Northrop/Grumman is an important VMS customer, and we continue to work closely with them.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2001 13:12:33 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)h" Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Questions3 Message-ID: <cnYObo9NQS53@eisner.encompasserve.org>o   In article <qbye7.2082$gF5.399712@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, "Dane Maslen" <dane.maslen@real-address-withheld-to-avoid-spam> writes:f  > Rob Young wrote in message ...B >> Working with a cluster with 6 nodes, we would on the FIRST node >> to boot:  >>D >> >>> boot -fl 1,N  $n$DGA|DUA.a.b.c.d      ! Alpha booting SYSBOOT! >> SYSBOOT>  SET WRITESYSPARAMS 0 ! >> SYSBOOT>  SET EXPECTED_VOTES 1o >> SYSBOOT>  CONTINUEn >  > 8 > Minor quibble.  From what I can recall, that should be >   > SYSBOOT>  SET EXPECTED_VOTES 1  > SYSBOOT>  SET WRITESYSPARAMS 0 > SYSBOOT>  CONTINUE > K > I'm fairly sure that WRITESYSPARAMS is implicitly reset to 1 whenever anya > other parameter is set.  >   C 	Thanks.  I did not know that.  That also explains why that doesn'tr 	work for me sometimes.a   				Robl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:11:05 -0300y% From: <fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br> 0 Subject: Re: Result of your mail service requestL Message-ID: <OF31CA36F1.2FCED5D3-ON03256AA9.0063AB83@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   People  C Is there a way to unsubscribe and old address. The Lotus Notes teams> changed my email to fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br, but I still1 receiving email from the list, in the old addresse$ fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br.I How can I stop the sending of emails to the old address. This old address7
 still workinga for receiving emails only.   Regards,   FC    Y                                                                                          .Y                     Info-VAX-Request@MV                                                  nY                     B.SAIC.COM                 Para:   fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br     oY                                                cc:                                       eY                     15/08/2001 13:57           Assunto:     Result of your mail service  iY                                                request                                    Y                                                                                                  [UNSUBSCRIBE INFO-VAX]  F You are not subscribed to INFO-VAX and, therefore, cannot unsubscribe.     End of mail service request.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:53:16 -0500w* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>0 Subject: RE: Result of your mail service request- Message-ID: <0033000032361576000002L062*@MHS>r   =0AFC: RTFFAQ.  ( It contains everything you want to know.   WWWebb     > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETi* > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:25 PMF > To: Webb, William W - Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET2 > Subject: RE: Result of your mail service request >a >o > People >iE > Is there a way to unsubscribe and old address. The Lotus Notes team @ > changed my email to fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br, but I still3 > receiving email from the list, in the old addresss& > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br.? > How can I stop the sending of emails to the old address. Thiss
 > old addresse > still workinge > for receiving emails only. > 	 > Regardst >l > FC >L >y >l >l) >                     Info-VAX-Request@MV- >-6 >                     B.SAIC.COM                 Para: > fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br 4 >                                                cc: >t9 >                     15/08/2001 13:57           Assunto:a > Result of your mailF	 > service.8 >                                                request >  >  >t >u >  >w > [UNSUBSCRIBE INFO-VAX] >oH > You are not subscribed to INFO-VAX and, therefore, cannot unsubscribe= .  >y >  > End of mail service request. >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:10:42 +0100e% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>a& Subject: Storageworks - more bad news.8 Message-ID: <530lntsunkf5rm2sua807osi5h092mgmon@4ax.com>  D I've just had a long chat with the UK Storageworks manager regardingF my concerns and he was not able to put my mind at rest yet.  He was asF helpful as he possibly could be (and I want to heavily stress I am notE criticizing him in the slightest) but in many cases could only answerbA that these decisions were out of his hands. He is investigating aaD number of specifics for me and I'll leave further comment until thenC as it involves some other dates which have not yet been made publice@ and I will not post in confidence information. But I suggest allC Storageworks customers on support ask Compaq the following questionn> "Has a date been set internally to drop support on my existing> controllers and if so what is it?" Also "Has a date for end of@ hardware support been set internally for the controllers we haveF recently been assured will continue to have hardware support and if so what is it?" -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:38:51 GMTn. From: "mulp" <michaelpettengill@earthlink.net>+ Subject: Re: Storageworks retirement letter F Message-ID: <%kze7.12191$ZM2.1101108@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  9 "Alan Greig" <alan.greig@intl.fmcti.com> wrote in message 2 news:8iffnt8178nrckh0p20hc18b8u9rg52ntl@4ax.com... > F > I've scanned in the letter from Compaq and OCRd it. Here is the textE > of the letter. I can email a physical scanned image if anyone needs  > one. ...rF > As a result of this retirement, Compaq SOFTWARE Services (ie licenseB > subscription, software update distribution services and softwareG > telephone support) will no longer be available for the above items asaE > of 30th Jan 2002. Note hardware maintenance continues for the above  > items.  K What this means is that they're not going to take your money to do software J maintenance; there probably no one doing any software maintenance on thoseJ products, and hasn't been for some time, so that means that they now going. to charge you what the service is worth: zero.  E Any problems will end up being VMS's responsibility because they will=H basically be caused by a change in the VMS driver for DSSI, CI, or SCSI.L For VAX, those components are probably untouched for some time, other than a5 few more bug fixes to further increase the stability.1  G > A migration path is offered with 50% off the storage controller priceRH > (le HSG8O and HSJ8Os). We can also offer leasing options for those whoB > would prefer to lease the new storage controllers and associated > equipment.  E This statement is in there because this is an opportunity to generate J business.  This is an upgrade so Compaq gets functional modules back whichI can be recycled into the spares needed to maintain the existing installedrG base and a few upgrades from the customers who bought the gear recently J enough for this to make sense.  For the other customers who check into theE upgrade, it is an opportunity for the sales rep to replace the entireo storage system.   C The only problem is that in most areas the storage sales reps don'toK understand the environments with these systems, especially VMS, so they areiK going to be slow to contact the customer because they have simpler sales to:L go after.  If the sales rep does know VMS (the rare old time DEC sales guy),L he's already concluded that there's no upgrade path, otherwise he would have been selling it already.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:29:20 +0200p, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> Subject: Re: SYSTEM HANG-UPb& Message-ID: <3B7ABF80.26A62284@gmx.ch>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:u  > > The specialist did say: your quotas for BACKUP are too high.  A This does not make sense. BACKUP is an image, not a process nor ao5 username (afaik). Which quotas are you talking about?    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:41:05 -0400a From: William_Bochnik@acml.com Subject: Re: SYSTEM HANG-UPT> Message-ID: <OFA8D8BF9F.CA04AD60-ON85256AA9.0066957B@acml.com>  @ not to be too snippy, but obviously he's talking about the quota% of the account he uses to run backup.s      a                                                                                                  -a                     Didier                                                                        a                     Morandi                      To:  Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                      (a                     <Didier.Moran                cc:                                             -a                     di@gmx.ch>           Subject:     Re: SYSTEM HANG-UP                         3a                                                                                                  -a                     08/15/2001                                                                   -a                     02:29 PM                                                                     ca                                                                                                  3a                                                                                                  w       Rudolf Wingert wrote:"  > > The specialist did say: your quotas for BACKUP are too high.  A This does not make sense. BACKUP is an image, not a process nor ao5 username (afaik). Which quotas are you talking about?.   D.          F ______________________________________________________________________;  The information contained in this transmission may containn@ privileged and confidential information and is intended only forA the use of the person(s) name above.  If you are not the intendedy= recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for deliveringy3 this message to the intended recipient, any review,o@ dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication? is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient,gA please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroyf# all copies of the original message.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 09:20:23 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>.J Subject: Re: The Alpha Systems Customer Update will no longer be published2 Message-ID: <HGue7.134$bB1.14157@news.cpqcorp.net>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3B796108.64B947DD@videotron.ca>...  >Larry Kilgallen wrote:wC >> But my original comment was in reaction to the fact that the VMSd' >> newsletter ships only in PDF format.= >=K >And VMS is not supposed to be used on the desktop. Compaq wants you to useA oneiE >of its wintel boxes on yoru desktop with VMS relegated to some largeC computer room. >tI >And with Compaq's pusg to streamline its products, I doubt that you will- see-G >any push to make VMS more viable on the desktop since it would competee against Windows. >tK >The only OS that will be allowed by Compaq to live on both the desktop and- them" >computer room will be Windows/NT. >o > K >I don't agree with this, but it seems a fact and there isn't much that can> be >done to change this.t  J It is nearly impossible to compete with an IA32 desktop system that can beG purchased anywhere from $699 to $3000 depending on bells, whistles, andtJ speed.  The reality of the marketplace is that the PC, running Windows, isI the VT100 of today - it is on nearly everyones desktop.  For single user,n3 single CPU performance, todays IA32s are very fast.   K If you want VMS on the "desktop" it will be for a very specialized purpose, ) and will cost a good deal more than $699.,   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 18:43:03 GMT-- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) / Subject: Re: The VMS Opensource Porting Projecte/ Message-ID: <3b7ac253.2342237@news.process.com>C  O On 15 Aug 2001 15:04:46 GMT, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:.  E >As an update, I am considering adding MTools, a package for handlinga* >MSDOS formated floppy disks, to the list.  H As someone else pointed out, and I hadn't noticed it before then, a portG of MTOOLS for Alpha is on the Freeware CD V5.0.  I haven't had a chanceu to try it yet, but it's there.  I I started to add long filename support to MGPCX---until I read more about G it and decided that given how much I use MGPCX (very rarely), it wasn'tg worth it to me. 8-)h   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 23:36:53 +0200i, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>/ Subject: Re: The VMS Opensource Porting Project & Message-ID: <3B7AEB75.2FC7DD8A@gmx.ch>   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > G > Any other suggestions, as we still have a lot of students who haven'te > picked a project yet??  E I am not sure that I understood the question but my answer is yes :-)   H Seriously, what is it about here? Finding the highest number of programs' that can be rewritten to run under VMS?e   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Aug 2001 15:04:46 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) / Subject: Re: The VMS Opensource Porting Project , Message-ID: <9le32e$11pk$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  I In article <craig.berry-4ABDCA.12573409082001@newsrump.sjc.telocity.net>,dF  "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> writes: |> |> > > Bill Gunshannon wrote:i |> tN |> > > > For a start I am looking at finding students willing to try ports of: |> > > >   PDKSHK |> > > >   XRN (based onthe most current Unix sources as suggested by Hoff)-B |> > > >   LYX (a word processor like program that uses Tex/Latex) |> > > >N |> > > > Any other suggestions, as we still have a lot of students who haven'tR |> > > > picked a project yet??  (not Emacs, these are undergrads, not prodigies.) |> oG |> Something that's been on my list for awhile but I don't see getting d/ |> around to soon is James Clark's SGML parser  G |> (<http://www.jclark.com/sp/>).  If you have a student interested in  H |> text encoding (including SGML's upstart offspring HTML and XML) this H |> would be a good choice.  SP is a validating parser that can validate 4 |> XML as well as SGML and also convert SGML to XML.  L I'll see if I can write up this as a project.  Might be some interest there.   |>  P |> > > > And, on another note, I am trying to gather sources of information they |> > > > are likely to need.   |>  I |> Philip Bourne's "Unix for OpenVMS Users" works pretty well in reverse   |> if you use the index.  I I have that book. It's strictly a cross-reference of user level commands.hM I was looking for something more along the line of developer's documentation.5   G |>                       Go to <http://www.bhusa.com> and do an author -J |> search on "Bourne."  As a professor it looks like you might be able to  |> get a free examination copy.   H While some may consider this a trivial point, I feel compelled to say atI this point that I am not a professor and I don't want anyone to accuse merM of mis-representing myself.  I am merely the Department Systems Administrator-K and the only one here with any interest in VMS at all.  Oh, and i sometimese< get books for free too.  Or I get the boss to buy them.  :-)   |> a3 |> You may want to peruse Compaq's OVMS books page:> |> F5 |> <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/books.html>>  ! This is definitely worth a visit.   D As an update, I am considering adding MTools, a package for handlingF MSDOS formated floppy disks, to the list.  And I am considering addingD a port that is not specifically to OpenVMS but offers promise in theC longer run.  Rewrite PDKSH in Ada.  I am interest in the ability ofvD Ada to perform the task required by a Unix Shell as well as how much cleaner the code may become.  . Still accepting suggestions for consideration.   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 21:32:29 +0200n2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)/ Subject: Re: The VMS Opensource Porting Project-; Message-ID: <3b7ace4d.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>e  2 Bill Gunshannon (bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu) wrote:G > "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@nospam.SignalTreeSolutions.com> writes:b > |> > > Bill Gunshannon wrote:vM > |> > > > And, on another note, I am trying to gather sources of informationm% > |> > > > they are likely to need.  e > |> >K > |> Philip Bourne's "Unix for OpenVMS Users" works pretty well in reverse   > |> if you use the index. >GK > I have that book. It's strictly a cross-reference of user level commands. O > I was looking for something more along the line of developer's documentation.b  L Perhaps some of the hints and links in my Programmer's FAQ might be helpful. Please find it at my homepage.   cu,    Martin -- NG  Your mouse has moved.     | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmere4  Windows must be restarted | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deH  for the change to take    |    http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/;  effect. Reboot now? [OK]  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:48:54 +0100r1 From: "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk>t8 Subject: Re: Using Ghostscript to conv PS to PDF on VMS.A Message-ID: <997921097.15565.0.nnrp-10.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>   6 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <noone@home.com> wrote in message" news:3B783F56.BDC36A70@home.com... > Hi.e> > I'v just installed Ghostscript 6.01 from the Freeware CD #5. > It presents itself aso > $ GS' > Aladdin Ghostscript 6.01 (2000-03-17)rE > Copyright (C) 2000 Aladdin Enterprises, Menlo Park, CA.  All rightse > reserved. H > This software comes with NO WARRANTY: see the file PUBLIC for details.; > Aladdin Ghostscript 6.01: Cannot open X display `(null)'. 3 > **** Unable to open the initial device, quitting.  > $  > 4 > Now, I would *just* like to use GS to "destill" PS2 > files inte PDF. Do I have to have a DECW display8 > running to do that ? Can I change the "initial device". > from X11 to something else, maybe pdfwrite ? > C > Does anyone have a GS command (for VMS) that converts PS to PDF ?  >   K I simply stick them a PC and run the ps2pdf batch file - quality of the PDF * is greatly improved in the latest version.   --
 Chris Townley  chris@townleyc.demon.co.uk townleyc@spicers.ltd.uko   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:30:03 GMTm3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>-* Subject: Re: VAX/ALPHA FORTRAN and me! :-)/ Message-ID: <3B7A93BF.26274BD5@cableinet.co.uk>c   Dave Greenwood wrote:l  rH > The (VMS-only) intrinsic routine IARGCOUNT() will return the number ofF > arguments passed to a subroutine.  I'd guess that the ARGS parameter  i@ yup, that is the function I meant, sorry I posted the wrong name earlier.E Couldn't find the Fotran Manual on www.openvms.compaq.com (I know itsN lurking there somewhere).    regards    -- : Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  r  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of d! my employers or service provider.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:20:43 -0400i, From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>* Subject: Re: VAX/ALPHA FORTRAN and me! :-)8 Message-ID: <1cmlntcil2h5onrquqlfm41dbjta29kfrk@4ax.com>  / On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:30:03 GMT, Tim Llewellyns& <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:    A >yup, that is the function I meant, sorry I posted the wrong name 	 >earlier.AF >Couldn't find the Fotran Manual on www.openvms.compaq.com (I know its >lurking there somewhere).   Try www.compaq.com/fortran    = Send Visual Fortran support requests to vf-support@compaq.comr  - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)  Fortran Engineeringq* High-Performance Technical Computing Group& Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran2 Message Board: http://www.compaq.com/fortran/forum   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:16:34 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: Version string specsn2 Message-ID: <6vve7.142$bB1.14302@news.cpqcorp.net>  N In article <3B79AD7B.CA4F6E4A@tgsmc.com>, Brad Hughes <brad@tgsmc.com> writes:= :I'm putting final touches on a Perl module to manipulate VMS > :style version strings, and so far I haven't found much on the! :form version strings can take...m  E   The following specifically references PCSI, but there are parallel  1   assumptions within other tools (eg: VMSINSTAL).a  &     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/4       73final/5952/5952pro_001.html#tmmnn_format_sec  B   A few products have not followed this format -- TCP/IP Services B   violated the cited scheme with its use of the V5.0A-nnn version <   format, and thus caused some problems for VMSINSTAL users.=   (Hopefully, that won't be repeated, and we'll see somethingd;   analogous to V5.n-nnn or V5.n-nnnAnnn or such next time.)c  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 00:32:25 +0100o1 From: Steve Reece <SYSTEM@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>8& Subject: Re: VMS 6.21-H3 host crashing6 Message-ID: <3B7B1499.68B47A52@ipl.demon.co.nospam.uk>   Carlos,lF What other software products have you got running on the system?  I'veF seen a pair of AlphaServer 8400s and a VAX 7000-850 in a cluster beingH disrupted by a conflict between UCX v4.1 and DCPS v1.5 (IIRC on the DCPS	 version).uH Solution was to upgrade UCX to v4.2, even though the problem only seemed2 to happen with one printer within the environment.  G I'd also consider reducing the value of WSMAX since, in my opinion, thenG value of 1048756 is rather large.  Doesn't mean it's wrong, just large.   G The rough footprint of the crash might be useful in determining whethersB it occurred due to a known fault that one of the contributers fromA Compaq might have some insight on, although the obvious route foryG analysis of crash dumps is to call your local Compaq Customer Solutionsr Centre.o HTH, Steve.     Jorge, Carlos wrote: > 
 > Fellows, > J > We have been experiencing some strange behaviour on a VMS host since the< > beginning of the last week, could someone please help us ? > M > We have a system running on an Alpha Server 8400, 2 CPUs/440Mhz, 2Gb of RAM L > memory, and last monday we installed a new version using three huge memoryM > shareable areas, one of them with 313Mb and the others with 370Mb each. DueuH > to our processing constraints and requirements, we lock these areas onL > memory to avoid swapping. When our processing system is up and running, we6 > have more or less 366Mb of free physical RAM memory. > L > Our VMS version is 6.21-H3, our system is written in fortran language, ourN > fortran compiler version is 6.2-508.  The main problem is that sometimes theH > Alpha host crashes, mainly when we are doing backups.  This crash alsoK > happens - sometimes - we are recording/reading files on tapes.  We have aV > TZ88 tape drive. > ; > The backup command that we normally use is the following:sH > backup/bloc_size=65024/media_format=comp/log/ignore=label <disk files> > mag1:<saveset name>.bck/savl+ > mag1 is a logical name for out tape driveh > L > Up to the present moment we have experienced this crash into two different > ways:uL > 1. The Alpha host hungs completely: no new session can be opened.  We have > to reboot the systemH > 2. A crash dump is printed on system console and after that we see the% > "P00>>>" prompt. The halt code is 7P > I > When we were developing the system, we faced many problems with our VMSoE > version, like limitations for working sets (WSMAX 1048756 = 512Mb).- >  > Thanks in advance, > _______________________1  > Carlos Antonio Rodrigues Jorge > cjorge@gtech.com > Senior Software Engineer$ > Gtech Brasil Ltda - Rio de Janeiro   -- 6G "A shadow fell over her face; clear, as if the composure were rent liketE a veil.  And her lips parted, but only with a short intake of breath. A Then she said, 'Well, then you are right.  Indeed, we are even.'" % 		Louis, "Interview with the Vampire"i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:36:27 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)$ Subject: Re: What system-call to use2 Message-ID: <LNve7.148$bB1.14259@news.cpqcorp.net>  X In article <4dd0684b.0108150053.52e3ecf4@posting.google.com>, pjo@pjo.dk (Peter) writes:F :Does anyone have an idea about which systemcall in C I should use, to@ :pinpoint one or more of the following information from a file :  $   <DIRECTORY/FULL output expurgated>  F   All of the stuff displayed by DIRECTORY is available via an OpenVMS ;   programming interface; often via more than one interface.   K   Was any specific portion of that DIRECTORY output of particular interest?   J   Rather than post the code for DIRECTORY -- which is effectively what youL   have asked for -- I'll point you at the RMS manuals and at the I/O User's H   Reference manual, and at the documentation for C calls such as stat()    and fstat().  G   If you have more specific requirements, I may be able to point you at E   a particular RMS call, system service, C call, $qio IO$_ACPCONTROL,.H   or other call.  For scanning directories for files, lib$find_file and F   lib$find_file_end are commonly used, as are the RMS services such as
   $search.  F   Or you could use a lib$spawn or system() of the DIRECTORY command...  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Aug 2001 20:08:02 -0000+ From: Doc.Cypher <doc_cypher@nym.alias.net>-U Subject: Re: Why shouldn't VMS be a desktop OS? (was RE: Could VMS be a desktop  OS?)t6 Message-ID: <20010815200802.16072.qmail@nym.alias.net>  " -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----  B On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> wrote: >"Doc.Cypher" wrote: >74 >> Given a lot more projects like Bill Gunshannon's, >../.. >l >Which one?i >e >D.n  J Bill is running a project to have open source packages ported to VMS. ThisJ will be carried out by some of the students at the University of Scranton.  4 See the thread "The VMS Opensource Porting Project".     Doc. - -- C6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neta   -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----  Version: 2.6.2  @ iQEVAwUBO3mtcsriC3SGiziTAQG4mAf9Gm7I502DxC1K7fg7fpy+b0g5K5o2Bgoz@ UnugqwrpCLYt1t79mPmceqU8hV94yxNbJ+Rv/s0XZ3JbQDMUmNukJd76AsjlQMIS@ BNgmx/d4K2eFmnEYA+ERGiQ+ULK8uH8+1PLbOTxezdcIZXzOSxjl/8DO6OHjQIsn@ hLaLz5Cng7TIE9HN6JVMRkPUOByiC23ZCJtqz1mAAGFZ8yl9rL4rAplmsYzXIDed@ Vjm1tauZ41Ys02Ul8lkTV3vqn74I7DjQa9qNlR8v2VFlsT6bsCRwkQxDJKbpInE18 cX6D/VP+Qu0yaDnsmXr2ONvIHHOGVYimtJHm5xCuUy2t59PM4gDexA== =SJaWn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 20:20:22 +0200s, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>Y Subject: Re: Why shouldn't VMS be a desktop OS? (was RE: Could VMS be a desktop OS?) OS?)"& Message-ID: <3B7ABD65.D6F3DE74@gmx.ch>   "Doc.Cypher" wrote:o  3 > Given a lot more projects like Bill Gunshannon's,- ../..a  
 Which one?   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:59:58 GMTR2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman). Subject: Re: Writing to a DOS floppy under VMS2 Message-ID: <yMye7.157$bB1.14881@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <9le3ve$11pk$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:- :In article <9lbj0d$2sge$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>,m5 : bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:h? :|> In article <61B330D3E7DFD3118A740090271EE321713444@TACCSF>,vR :|>  Binyon Steve Contr Det 4 AFC2TIG/ASRCC <Steve.Binyon@kirtland.af.mil> writes: :|> |> tO :|> |> The real question is:  Is it possible to write to a DOS formatted floppyXQ :|> |> under the VMS system, much like you can do under Unix (mount -t msdos...)? : :|> |> This is under OpenVMS 7.1 running on a Alpha au600. :|> |>   :|> M :|> Hmmmm....  I wonder if the DOSUtils tools are a candidate for the portinguN :|> project??  Might be a good example of the differences in hardware handling :|> between Unix and VMS.n :|>  :|> Comments??  Hoff?? :.< :I had the name wrong.  What I meant was the MTools Package. :sI :Still interested in comments from anyone who has experience with writingyK :code to access the floppy drive about the feasability of this as a student 	 :project.l  E   Short of something akin to the existing PCX or an extension to the nH   OpenVMS EXCHANGE utility or such, this isn't something I would assume 3   to be particularly feasible as a student project..  J   I say this for two reasons -- both reasons learned from direct personal G   experience, too -- the required file format conversions involved withrH   accessing the volume format through the file system are an interestingF   project, and (if you want to go "native") getting a file system ACP F   operating is really some interesting kernel-mode coding in some veryE   dark and very undocumented corners of the operating system.  In thenI   former case, see the TCP/IP Services NFS mapping of file extensions to dE   file formats and see the MOUNT /UNDEFINED_FAT stuff.  In the latterhH   case, I can't really point to any documentation on how to connect intoF   OpenVMS in a fashion analogous to F11CACP or F11DACP, which is where$   this capability would best reside.  H   I'm in the midst of reading a recently-arrived FAT specification, and G   I've some tools that can mostly manage to read a FAT floppy.  (Pleaset+   don't ask why I'm reading this stuff. :-)     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Aug 2001 15:20:14 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)l. Subject: Re: Writing to a DOS floppy under VMS, Message-ID: <9le3ve$11pk$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  , In article <9lbj0d$2sge$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>,4  bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:> |> In article <61B330D3E7DFD3118A740090271EE321713444@TACCSF>,Q |>  Binyon Steve Contr Det 4 AFC2TIG/ASRCC <Steve.Binyon@kirtland.af.mil> writes:  |> |> N |> |> The real question is:  Is it possible to write to a DOS formatted floppyP |> |> under the VMS system, much like you can do under Unix (mount -t msdos...)?9 |> |> This is under OpenVMS 7.1 running on a Alpha au600.  |> |>  |> pL |> Hmmmm....  I wonder if the DOSUtils tools are a candidate for the portingM |> project??  Might be a good example of the differences in hardware handlingu |> between Unix and VMS. |> y |> Comments??  Hoff??s  ; I had the name wrong.  What I meant was the MTools Package.n  H Still interested in comments from anyone who has experience with writingJ code to access the floppy drive about the feasability of this as a student project.   bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  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