1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 17 Aug 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 455       Contents: a bit of historical perspective # Re: a bit of historical perspective ( Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate4 Re: An engineer speaks (was Re: FYI:  I hate Compaq)4 Re: An engineer speaks (was Re: FYI:  I hate Compaq)7 Re: BACKUP and Process Quotas (was: Re: SYSTEM HANG-UP)  Be OS: The end :-( Re: Be OS: The end :-( Re: Be OS: The end :-(. Re: Can queue manager handle 100.000 entries ? Re: CETS invitation < Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custo) CSWS - OSUScript module - no joy from CSC  DQS QDELETE query  Re: DQS QDELETE query  Re: DQS QDELETE query  Re: DQS QDELETE query 
 Re: EFN$C_ENF  Re: Good VMS news 1 How to perform network benchmark on UCX/OVMS 7.1? , How to set image ident info in C source code0 Re: How to set image ident info in C source code0 Re: How to set image ident info in C source code0 Re: How to set image ident info in C source code HSD10  Re: intel we site  Re: intel we site  Re: intel we site 
 intel we site  Re: intel we site  Re: intel we site  Re: intel we site  Re: intel we site  Re: intel we site  Re: intel we site  Re: intel we site + RE: Introduction and BACKUP recommendations : Re: Is there a Lexical function that shows a process state: Re: Is there a Lexical function that shows a process state Re: Linker-Warnings in VMS 7.3 Re: More Alpha rubbish in print  More Alpha rubbish in print  Re: More Alpha rubbish in print P NUMA Performance of "Certain base OS features" in QBB0 - Which features are thesP Re: NUMA Performance of "Certain base OS features" in QBB0 - Which features are P Re: NUMA Performance of "Certain base OS features" in QBB0 - Which features are P Re: NUMA Performance of "Certain base OS features" in QBB0 - Which features are  Re: OpenVMS  + Itanium Re: Oracle RDB "FATALOSI" N Re: OT:  Yugo -- was You Get What You Pay For, a.k.a., There's No Free   LunchP Possible questions to ask at CETS2001, was: Re: Compaq Brochure indicates death P Re: Possible questions to ask at CETS2001, was: Re: Compaq Brochure indicates de, Problems adding a user account on VAXVMSv060 restoring os on a VAX 4000-200' Re: Result of your mail service request A Re: Serve X(DEC)Window display from system w/ no graphics device.  Re: SYSTEM HANG-UP Testing  The Final Knell Has Sounded  Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded & Re: The VMS Opensource Porting Project! UK Hobbyists: want cheap VMS kit? P Unix sys admins storing Unix logs on VMS systems ?, was: Re: An ad Compaq shouldP Re: Unix sys admins storing Unix logs on VMS systems ?, was: Re: An ad Compaq sh  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:10:43 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> ( Subject: a bit of historical perspective( Message-ID: <9lhueu$fmv$1@pyrite.mv.net>  K Was just rummaging around following some old TheRegister links and stumbled K across a couple of 1998 articles suggesting what plans Pfeiffer had in mind ) when he orchestrated the purchase of DEC:   " http://194.159.40.109/12069809.htm   http://194.159.40.109/66_10.htm   I The second is earlier and less specific, but I included it as support for F the ideas in the first (to indicate that it wasn't a fluke).  Good ol'J Eckhard indeed *did* seem to understand Alpha's mid-range-and-up technicalG *and* market potential, and to be in favor of pressing its maturity and $ performance advantages against IA64.  K Wonder if that's what got him canned?  And whether the memory of that event L is what spooked Capellas into actions (starting almost immediately after hisK ascendency with the scrapping of NT on Alpha) that are otherwise completely @ unexplainable in any remotely competent individual?  If so, whatK behind-the-scenes puppet-masters get the real blame for trashing Alpha (and L quite possibly Compaq along with it) for their own purposes (or was Capellas one of them from the start)?  E I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but there's simply no *rational* I explanation for Compaq's actions for the past 2+ years, at least from the B viewpoint of what would have been best for the corporation and itsG shareholders.  Shadowy figures with personal agendas seem like the only I alternative to stupifying managerial incompetence - and while I can't say I that the top talent at Compaq has seemed particularly impressive, they do K give the impression of being able to walk (or whatever) and chew gum at the 
 same time.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:38:51 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> , Subject: Re: a bit of historical perspective' Message-ID: <3B7C91CB.7D910C90@fsi.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > [snip]G > I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but there's simply no *rational* K > explanation for Compaq's actions for the past 2+ years, at least from the D > viewpoint of what would have been best for the corporation and itsI > shareholders.  Shadowy figures with personal agendas seem like the only K > alternative to stupifying managerial incompetence - and while I can't say K > that the top talent at Compaq has seemed particularly impressive, they do M > give the impression of being able to walk (or whatever) and chew gum at the  > same time.  ? Well, and this STRICTLY my opinion, it has been stated by the Q F repeatedly that OVMS's target market was/is those places where DII/COEF was important - i.e., not necessarily the commercial market. They seemB to want to target the government contract market. In my admittedlyH limited perspective, killing VMS's commercial appeal would free it up toH target that "pinpoint" market. ...and they've done an OUTSTANDING job ofG killing VMS's appeal outside of the target market the Q have chosen for 	 it, IMHO.   A Makes sense in a perverse kinda way, but maybe only to someone as  perverse as I am.   # Dunno...  My $0.02, anyway, FWIW...   F We now return you to your regularly scheduled BSOD (or BS O.S., as the case may be)...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:37:48 GMT . From: "Stephen Fuld" <s.fuld@worldnet.att.net>1 Subject: Re: Alpha:  an invitation to communicate G Message-ID: <waWe7.12083$Ki1.972003@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   @ "Newbie JrSysAdmin" <utlonghornsrule@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:2de05464.0108160927.3967b436@posting.google.com... 3 > name99@mac.com (Maynard Handley) wrote in message 3 news:<name99-1508011239000001@handma2.apple.com>... @ > > In article <5lhevaw76b.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu>, "Stefan MonnierE > > <foo@acm.com>" <monnier+comp.arch/news/@flint.cs.yale.edu> wrote:  > > A > > > >>>>> "Maynard" == Maynard Handley <name99@mac.com> writes: J > > > > As that revenue stream flows into the company, it may be disbursed toH > > > > shareholders as dividends, or it may be used to grow the company	 business, I > > > > or it may be used to invest in other companies, or it may be used  for J > > > > empire building to grow the company into unrelated businesses. All ofL > > > > these behaviors will have apologists; some have justification in taxJ > > > > avoidance. Any halfway decent finance book will tell you about why theyB > > > > occur and when they usually are or are not a good deal for
 shareholders.  > > > H > > > In the case where no dividend is payed, it seems that the only wayE > > > in which something can be beneficial to shareholders is when it 	 increases E > > > the value of those shares.  So shareholders buy such stock only  because F > > > they hope that something will happen that will make other people believe G > > > that the share is worth more.  Sounds very much like poker to me.  > > >  > > F > > Not at all. The money is (at least assuming management are neitherJ > > fraudulent nor incompetent) used to increase the value of the company,K > > either through purchases of real objects (buildings, computers, factory I > > eqipment) or by paying people to come up with IP owned by the company  (forI > > example whatever you may think of MS and Windows, the money they have J > > spent internally on developing Windows has resulted in a product owned by' > > them that is worth a lot of money).  > > F > > There is always the option for a company simply to disband and the assetsK > > (after clearing all senior debt) to be returned to the stockholdes, and J > > that has happened. However generally, of course, the valuation to bookG > > value ratio of a company is higher than 1 because it is believed by B > > stiockholders that the company (as a brand, as a collection of
 expertise,H > > as a group of employees who know each other and have some clue as to whatD > > they are doing) is worth more than simply gutting it for assets. > >  > > Maynard  >  > H > and ALL of this is based on a false model of the representation of theG > interests of shareholders by the board of directors. there is no such E > "altruism," and board directors care only about themsevles. what is E > missing is a mechanism to keep them from plundering the company for G > their individual gain (ie, stealing the money they don't pay out as a 6 > dividend and leaving the shareholders with nothing).      K The question of Directors and managers and even employees behaving in their I own interest not the shareholders is a well studied one called the agency I problem. It is IIRC considered an issue, but not a major one.  As for the H directors, their compensation, including such things as stock and optionH holdings are listed in the company's proxy statement every year.  BeyondJ that, which is publically known and therefore can be taken into account byJ potential investors before buying the stock, how exactly are the directors "stealing" the money?    snipped a political diatribe       --  -- Stephen Fuld   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 16:32:32 -07003 From: utlonghornsrule@yahoo.com (Newbie JrSysAdmin) = Subject: Re: An engineer speaks (was Re: FYI:  I hate Compaq) = Message-ID: <2de05464.0108161532.31a8a5f8@posting.google.com>   e Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<9e8nnto2itnlp1rivjgutbbf5k6snr0s2h@4ax.com>... B > On 15 Aug 2001 23:36:57 -0700, Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com (Brannon > Batson) wrote: > I > >Not to reopen old wounds, but this just happens to be the brief period H > >of time after I've been terminated from Compaq and before being hired@ > >by Intel, so I thought I would take the opportunity to say in< > >unequivocal terms that Compaq is completely full of shit. > > H > >Compaq feels that their 'core competency' does not include generatingH > >technology, so they would rather take the easy way out and go back to7 > >being a boxmaker.  Good luck Compaq, you'll need it.  > G > And unfortunately a lot of customers have come to the same conclusion  > it seems.  > D > Good luck at Intel. Once upon a time going to work for Intel mightH > have been seen as a backwards step but when the bridge in front of youE > is blown up before your eyes there isn't much option. Just hope you A > get a chance to build a new crossing over that Silicon Rubicon.  > 
 > >Brannon > >not speaking for anybody       8 where is terry shannon to respond to this blast-in-name?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:06:34 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> = Subject: Re: An engineer speaks (was Re: FYI:  I hate Compaq) & Message-ID: <3B7C7C2A.CE6B2B4@fsi.net>   Newbie JrSysAdmin wrote: > g > Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<9e8nnto2itnlp1rivjgutbbf5k6snr0s2h@4ax.com>... D > > On 15 Aug 2001 23:36:57 -0700, Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com (Brannon > > Batson) wrote: > > K > > >Not to reopen old wounds, but this just happens to be the brief period J > > >of time after I've been terminated from Compaq and before being hiredB > > >by Intel, so I thought I would take the opportunity to say in> > > >unequivocal terms that Compaq is completely full of shit. > > > J > > >Compaq feels that their 'core competency' does not include generatingJ > > >technology, so they would rather take the easy way out and go back to9 > > >being a boxmaker.  Good luck Compaq, you'll need it.  > > I > > And unfortunately a lot of customers have come to the same conclusion 
 > > it seems.  > > F > > Good luck at Intel. Once upon a time going to work for Intel mightJ > > have been seen as a backwards step but when the bridge in front of youG > > is blown up before your eyes there isn't much option. Just hope you C > > get a chance to build a new crossing over that Silicon Rubicon.  > >  > > >Brannon > > >not speaking for anybody  > : > where is terry shannon to respond to this blast-in-name?  F Folks pissed him off in another thread. Don't be surprised if he stays silent for an extended period.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:12:58 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>@ Subject: Re: BACKUP and Process Quotas (was: Re: SYSTEM HANG-UP)+ Message-ID: <VA.00000421.1c51d94f@sture.ch>   7 In article <9l9po1$evs$1@news.nuri.net>, someone wrote: 2 > SVR 1 : ES40  - STANDALONE CLIENT SVR (200 USER)2 > SVR 2 : ES40  - STANDALONE CLIENT SVR (200 USER). > SVR 3 : AXP 2100 - LAVC CLIENT SVR (45 USER). > SVR 4 : AXP 2100 - LAVC CLIENT SVR (45 USER) > ( > SVR CONNECTION : COMPAQ MEMORY CHANNEL > % > DISK : HSJ 50 DISK ARRAY CONTROLLER  > " > 1 CLUSTER SYSTEM : CI CONNECTION > J > [PROBLEM 1]  WHEN I DOING DAYLY BACKUP, ALL CLUSTER MEMBER IS HANGED UP.> >                        IF BACKUP PROCEDURE STOPPED, RELEASE. >  >                        WHY ?  J My guess is that the account quotas for the username performing the backupH are too high and the other processes are being swapped out or can't get J enough memory to continue. BACKUP will quite blindly grab the WSQUOTA UAF  limit for its memory.   H Please read the documentation in the System Manager's manual for BACKUP G for a description of the various username quotas involved. It is quite   complex.   > B > [PROBLEM 2]  IS THERE ANY PROBLEM AMONG ES40,CI,MEMORY CHANNEL ? >    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:16:13 +0200 , From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch> Subject: Be OS: The end :-( & Message-ID: <3B7C2A0D.8B207BC5@gmx.ch>  ( Nothing to do with VMS, but the quality?  = http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5095795,00.html    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:47:49 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Be OS: The end :-( ' Message-ID: <3B7C85D5.FB4E27B9@fsi.net>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > * > Nothing to do with VMS, but the quality? > ? > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5095795,00.html   G I didn't read that as the end for BeOS, rather the beginning of BeOS on  Palm, displacing Whinebloze/CE.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:55:53 -0400 ( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> Subject: Re: Be OS: The end :-( + Message-ID: <3B7CB1E9.ACD8B685@bigfoot.com>   H Way To Go Palm!!!!! Although I think Linux is a better choice simply dueE to market share and developer familiarity (therefore more apps in the E pipeline quicker), this is an EXCELLENT move by Palm.  And the timing G couldn't be better.  What better time to fend off incipient competition C in the handheld market than when PDA sales are down and your market A share is still robust?  Finally, a commercial venture standing up C against the Microsoft juggernaut!  If they can get the new hardware H designed fast enough around faster processors, then Palm will be able toC retain and even grow their market share in the handheld/PDA space.  E Bravo!! They might not get run over by Pocket PC after all!  Although G BeOS does not have the market share on Linux, it is extremely fast, andOH capable.  This makes it almost ideal for future Palm devices.  Maybe theB reason that Palm did not choose Linux, is that they want to retainH proprietary control, rather than have an open-source OS running on theirG devices.  This, in the short term at least, allows them to keep license F revenues from Handspring, et al.  In the long term, I still think openD source for the OS is the way to go.  Maybe in a few years palm mightG learn the lesson of Apple.  The split between the hardware and softwaretA divisions of Palm though, is an outstanding move for their futurej	 survival.    HM   Didier Morandi wrote:D > * > Nothing to do with VMS, but the quality? > ? > http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5095795,00.htmlo >  > D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:12:58 +0200   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>7 Subject: Re: Can queue manager handle 100.000 entries ? + Message-ID: <VA.00000422.1c51dad5@sture.ch>o  B In article <3B78D1B6.54A3E0A5@home.com>, Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: > Hi. < > As I wrote in another post, my tests showed that the entry1 > numbers goes (I'v added dots to ease reading) :  > 6 > 1 -> 9999 -> 1.00.0000 -> 1.00.9999 ... -> 9.00.9999+ > -> 10.00.0000 -> 10.00.0001 -> 10.00.0002f > @ > Someone else sad that position 5 and 6 in the entry number wasB > allocated for "queue-manager-ID" or something like that, "00" in; > my examples since I run with just a singel QMAN instance.e > E > But, what was interesting, was that I actualy could enter > 100.000 ; > entries but Hoff wrote that that wasn't possible. (Or wasa" > "not supported", don't remember) > E > And, to revert back to the original poster, there was no measurable-C > slowdown from the first to the 100.000'st entry. The QMAN$JOURNALe  > file grow to > 350.000 blocks. > K On the performance side of things I can confirm that a few years ago I was WG working on a cluster (2 x VAX 4000-100 & 2 x Alpha 2100 systems) which sG spooled 140,000 print jobs per day (spread over 2 shifts). Quite a few eE batch jobs in there too, although I cannot remember how many. We did eJ transfer the Queue Manager from one of the VAXes to one of the Alphas for I better load balancing. Even with the other work it was doing, that Alpha y6 only consumed something like 30% peak CPU utilization.     > Jan-Erik Sderholm.n >  > Dave Baxter wrote: > > J > > I have seen this behaviour on my system intermittently.    By default,E > > VMS will assign Entry numbers in the range 0-9999.   When 9999 is H > > reached, the system will wrap back to 0, continuing to assign unused > > numbers within this range. > > H > > Within our organization we support >1500 print queues and have foundG > > that if busy queues are stalled (letting print jobs back up), or ifuG > > queues are set to "/RETAIN" (thus locking up entry numbers), to themI > > point that there are no available entry numbers in the default range,dF > > then the range will jump out to 1000000 - 9999999. (Note:: 10000 - > > 999999 are not used.). > >  > [snip] > >  > > Dave Baxterp > > VAX Alpha System Manager > > Banner Health Systems. >.   ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:21:43 -0400o2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: Re: CETS invitation2 Message-ID: <6iTe7.216$bB1.18482@news.cpqcorp.net>  0 Tuesday 8 pm at the Hilton.  See you there PedroE "Pedro A. Crespo" <pedro.crespo@integris-health.com> wrote in message * news:9lbj3n$d59$1@news-central.tiac.net...8 > ...but more importantly, when is the OpenVMS party? :) >l > (heya Sue - see ya at CETS)e >n > Pedro. >c >p? > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message + > news:iWBc7.3$bB1.2081@news.cpqcorp.net... I > > You 're invited to join us in Anaheim,CA on September 9-14 to immerseaK > > yourself in Compaq-related technology.This year 's symposium covers theaJ > > technical aspects of Compaq 's entire range of enterprise products and@ > > solutions,including access devices,servers,storage,operatingH > > systems,management systems and third-party solutions --including the > latestK > > news about Compaq 's plans for Alpha and Itanium roadmaps and products.e > >sI > > Featured Speakers include Michael Capellas,Chairman and CEO of Compaq  > > L > > Computer Corporation,and members of Compaq 's Senior Leadership team,who3 > > will be presenting their vision and strategies.  > >hF > > Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium focuses on Key Technologies: > >-B > > >Enterprise backup solutions,storage area networking (SAN),and > > network-attached storage > >uJ > > (NAS),featuring Compaq StorageWorks Tand Compaq S Nworks Tproducts and > > services > >dG > > >Detailed implementations of Linux,Microsoft Windows NT/2000,Novellm > > NetWare,OpenVMS T, > >t > > and Tru64 TUNIXo > >rE > > >Client computing with Compaq workstations,desktops,portables,andb Internet > > access devices > >sG > > >Edge of the network applications including technologies,trends andl > > strategies for security anda > >iJ > > authentication,content serving such as streaming media,replication and webm > > caching solutionsi > >hI > > >Enterprise management solutions,enterprise applications,and industryg > > solutions featuring  > >l > > key Compaq partners. > > ? > > >Applications for e-business,including e-commerce,knowledget > > management,businesse > >C5 > > intelligence,and customer relationship managementl > >eK > > >Wireless technologies including Compaq iP Q THandhelds and Blackberry.d > >i@ > > >Database solutions,including technologies,architectures and optimization > > with Oracle, > >.' > > Microsoft,and other Compaq partners  > >n > > >Thin client computing > >gL > > >High Performance Computing (HPC),high availability and clustered server > > platforms,featurings > >eK > > the industry standard ProLiant T,AlphaServer T,and overviews of NonStopt > > THimalaya Te > >lK > > >IT infrastructures using Compaq DISA and ENSA architectures for highlyt > > scaleable andm > >t > > available environments > >lL > > >Airtight solutions for firewalls,data integrity,and enterprise security > > concerns > >-I > > >Networking strategies and solutions,including wireless,broadband,LANd andt > > WAN technologies > > K > > >Messaging and collaboration solutions that scale from hundreds to tensn of > > thousands of users > >wH > > >Compaq technology roadmaps and directions,for products ranging from palm > > tops to data > >. > > center systems > >m> > > Pre-Conference Seminars (for additional fee):September 8-9 > >0% > > Conference Program:September 9-14c > >l( > > Anaheim Convention Center,Anaheim,CA > > ; > > $1395.00 (early bird registration,$1495 after August 10> > >e > > th > >  > > )includes full conferencen > ><J > > access to Compaq Enterprise Technical Symposium 2001 conference events andi > > 7 > > bonus admission to ITUG Summit,co-located with CETSt > >bF > > Visit www.CETS2001.com or and register on the conference portal or > >n > > call 1-888-639-2990a > >u: > > To learn more about this premier educational event and > >l< > > to reserve your place visit www.CETS2001.co or call your > >s > > Compaq Representative! > >x > > Featured Speakersy > >w > > Deep Technical Content > >y > > Conference Dates > >  > > Location > >  > > Cost > >a > > Registration Info  > >h > >s > >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 17:29:57 -0700. From: mark@sysinternals.com (Mark Russinovich)E Subject: Re: Could VMS be a desktop OS? (was: The Alpha Systems Custo = Message-ID: <bc7ba44f.0108161629.5eeb82d2@posting.google.com>   O They still do: http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/bluescreensaver.shtmla  _ WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote in message news:<0033000032436357000002L072*@MHS>...(E > The sysinternals.com guys used to have a great NT BSOD screen savertD > that not only gave you a fake BSOD, but it "rebooted" your system,C > pulling memory and NT Build/version information from your system,rD > and then giving you fake disk corruption messages as it "rebooted" >m   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:50:39 GMTpL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")2 Subject: CSWS - OSUScript module - no joy from CSC8 Message-ID: <00A00A04.6CB03586@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  K About the problem Malcolm Dunnett posted where the OSU script support chopsoG off the first character from the first parameter passed to the script, a   Rick Barry wrote:u  F >CSWS is supported by Compaq under the existing VMS support agreement.  K >Regarding this particular problem, we have a fix which will be included inaJ >an CSWS ECO release scheduled for September or October. If you would likeJ >to receive a temporary patch, please contact the Customer Support Center.  M So I'd like the patch, and I phoned the CSC.  (This procedure worked fine foroN getting an answer on an earlier problem I had with CSWS.)  This time, they areI very nice but not well-informed.  They appear never to have heard of this  patch; here's the email:  N   We, the Customer Support Center, are in the process of elevating this issue L   to engineering.  Once the issue is elevated and the resolution provided beL   assured we will contact you.  Please hang on to the sequence# C010815-3800   for your reference.w  H Has anybody else gotten this patch?  Can anybody guide me to getting it?   <RANT>  L Why doesn't the CSWS development team just throw up the latest patches and aL current build on a web site someplace, plainly marked as "unsupported-use atL your own risk," the way Mozilla does?  I certainly appreciate the QC effortsO before making an official ECO release - don't want to have VMS's name on brokenyJ software - but I don't think it's sustainable to  take two months to get aL simple fix out.  Have a parallel distribution: official supported ECO level,N which can be months behind, and bleeding-edge right-now unsupported versions.   M If  fixes can't be made readily available to the entire VMS-Apache community  J (with or without support contracts) it doesn't seem likely to me that the N VMS-Apache community is going to be very large; we certainly can't expect manyO converts from the Linux/Apache community, where bugfixes often turn up the nextn day.  J This is from somebody who thinks CSWS is a cool project and that Compaq is# doing a good job with it generally.    </RANT>a    Thanks,a   -- Alane  O ===============================================================================u0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056eM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210oO ===============================================================================l   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:22:38 +0100 3 From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com>r Subject: DQS QDELETE query2 Message-ID: <3B7BBB0E.5598D54@unnecessary.csc.com>   All,  D A user prints via DQS from one end of the country to the other quiteE happily on a DQS queue. It now transpires that this user occasionally F needs to delete the printed entry using the QDELETE command which then gives the following message;   $ qdel/entry=662 queue_name-' %DQS-W-MSG_REMOTE, remote system error:0$ -DQS-F-NOTOWN, not owner of the job.$ %DQS-I-NOJOBDELETED, no jobs deleted  G The only way of deleting the entry is to delete the actual entry on the@ target node.  D So far, I have played with queue and device protection on the targetC node, matched user UICs on both systems, played with file and queue1G ownership on the target systems and basically, got nowhere. Can anybody ( point me in the right direction please ?   Thanks,    Adep   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 16:56:24 +0200- From: tiz@ludens.elte.hu (Toth Istvan Zoltan)e Subject: Re: DQS QDELETE query! Message-ID: <AJ7pLH5UWqFY@ludens>v  h In article <3B7BBB0E.5598D54@unnecessary.csc.com>, Adrian Birkett <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com> writes:     Hi!n   > $ qdel/entry=662 queue_name,) > %DQS-W-MSG_REMOTE, remote system error: & > -DQS-F-NOTOWN, not owner of the job.& > %DQS-I-NOJOBDELETED, no jobs deleted  ?   Probably this message means that you try to delete a job fromnG   a userid which is different from that one which issued print command.g     For example:  F   I have two users ids user_a and user_b. User_a sends a job to a DQS B   queue. In this case queue on target node will contain a job with   special parameters:   4   Entry  Jobname         Username     Blocks  Status4   -----  -------         --------     ------  ------D      97  TEST            USER_A            1  Pending (queue paused)8          Submitted 16-AUG-2001 16:41:35.67 /FORM=DEFAULTO          /NOTE="Print Job processed by DQS V1.3-1 VAX " /PARAM=("","","","","", P          "","","DQS:  434 LUDENS::USER_A       16-AUG-2001 16:38") /PRIORITY=100          /RETAIN=ALWAYS/3          File: _DSA1:[DQS$SERVER]TEST.COM;7 /DELETE,  G   You can see "LUDENS::USER_A" in 8th parameter which determines DECNet:I   user who can delete this job. If user_b tries to delete job he will get4   the following message:  *    Ludens $$ qdel /entry=434 prn$epsontext*    %DQS-W-MSG_REMOTE, remote system error:'    -DQS-F-NOTOWN, not owner of the job.N'    %DQS-I-NOJOBDELETED, no jobs deletedX   						Bye, Tiz    H Tth, Istvn Zoltn          tiz@ludens elte hu        SYSTEM PROGRAMMERG  ......................................................................EG  VMS Competence Center                            VMS Szakrti KzpontNG  Etvs Lornd University                 Etvs Lornd Tudomnyegyetem G  Budapest, Hungary                                             Budapest?G  ======================================================================a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 16:57:40 +0100e3 From: Adrian Birkett <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com>d Subject: Re: DQS QDELETE query2 Message-ID: <3B7BED73.2EB3835@unnecessary.csc.com>   Tiz,  C Thanks, but we get this message when the user who submitted the jobn@ tries to delete it. My original posting didn't make this clear -
 apologies.   AdeE   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 20:07:39 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Adam Maulis)  Subject: Re: DQS QDELETE query! Message-ID: <wt2vujlN63$A@ludens>n  h In article <3B7BED73.2EB3835@unnecessary.csc.com>, Adrian Birkett <abirkett@unnecessary.csc.com> writes: > Tiz, > E > Thanks, but we get this message when the user who submitted the job  > tries to delete it.-     Hello,  E please drop us an SHOW QUEUE/FULL/ALL output (at the DQS target site)d5 and we will try to understand & solve your problem --   . > My original posting didn't make this clear -  > and your posting is weak in usefull informations. For example:% cluster & network configuration, etc.e     > Ade8 >    Just a tip:   ? Your dqs client site is a cluster and the decnet cluster alias e not properly set. B (client site: $ mcr ncp define object dqs alias outgoing enabled )B (server site: $ mcr ncp define object dqs alias incoming enabled )       Regards,I Adam Maulis              maulis@ludens elte hu         VMS system manager1H  .......................................................................H  VMS Competence Center                             VMS Szakertoi KozpontH  Eotvos Lorand University                  Eotvos Lorand TudomanyegyetemH  Budapest, Hungary                                              BudapestH  =======================================================================   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:41:01 GMTn2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: EFN$C_ENF2 Message-ID: <N3Qe7.189$bB1.18104@news.cpqcorp.net>  o In article <9lelkb023db@drn.newsguy.com>, john.babiarz at babiarz.org <john.babiarz_member@newsguy.com> writes:,6 :I like to know when EFN$C_ENF first became available.     V7.0.   " :Is there a work around I can use.  D   Use lib$get_ef to acquire a unique event flag, or upgrade OpenVMS.  F   Background: EFN$C_ENF indicates the code uses an IOSB and $synch (orH   similar), and does not particularly need nor particularly monitor the I   event flag for any purposes other than re-synchronization.  Though the tH   code does not care about the event flag nor use it for communications I   with other code, it does not necessarily want to (nor should it) share d    an event flag with other code.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 09:37:54 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)- Subject: Re: Good VMS news3 Message-ID: <oRdn+F3uzKh4@eisner.encompasserve.org>j  { In article <8af17fe1.0108160559.d1597c2@posting.google.com>, alphaman-nixspam@hsv.sungardtrust.com (Aaron Sakovich) writes:Ev > Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<NAIIbVERD94K@eisner.encompasserve.org>... > :sD >> We could start a guessing game, based on the statement that it is >> applicable to all states. > E > Guess?  GUESS???  Are we not men?  We are devo!  Uh, I mean, We arei8 > professionals!  We don't need no steenkin' guessing!!! >  > Domain Name: CSDCO.COM > 
 > Registrant: - > Computer Systems Design Company (CSDCO-DOM)  >    735 Highland Avenue >    Boulder, CO 80302 >    USu >  > <doh>e  0 	doh is right.  Looks like a local ISP and colo.  A 	If I were guessing, not only would it apply to all 50 states but,? 	it would also apply to most every town in all 50 states.  Some = 	towns are so small (Bigneck, Illinois for example) that theyR 	share with another.   				Robo   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:01:04 +0800a5 From: Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com>x: Subject: How to perform network benchmark on UCX/OVMS 7.1?8 Message-ID: <up1pntgo2ajsslp07r2g9rk73eden6d33f@4ax.com>  . My box is running OpenVMS 7.1 w/ UCX 4.1 ECO-9@ No DECnet, just pure basic TCP/IP services, no full NAS package.  B I had read articles on DTSEND, but it seems to work only on DECnetF network. Is there any freeware/Public Domain software for OpenVMS with just TCP/IP?  E My HP OpenView is generating lots of reports on brief network outagess@ Usually false-alarms where SNMP traps detect network down and upF within the time-frame of 1 minutes. Perhaps it was the server too busyF to respond on-time, or there is some misconfiguration of UCX settings.E I need to find out the causes for such REGULAR occurance and stop it.5  @ Increase of HP Overview monitor timeout setting is not possible.   HELP HELP!!j        u Regards,  	 Netsurfera        ====R For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 11:12:08 -0700, From: mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin)5 Subject: How to set image ident info in C source codeB= Message-ID: <e9cbc4f2.0108161012.42615f09@posting.google.com>.  E Hello all. This should be pretty basic but I am stumped. I want to be F able to set the image ident string in the C source code. I am familiarE with the "ident=" linker option but I am hoping there is a way to set2> this using a pragma, etc. When I just compile and link withoutD specifying an ident string, it defaults to V1.0. Does this originateA in the object or does the linker set this if no "ident" string is 	 provided?    Thanks., Bill McLaughlinV   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:24:12 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 9 Subject: Re: How to set image ident info in C source coden0 Message-ID: <00A009E7.956D8609@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <e9cbc4f2.0108161012.42615f09@posting.google.com>, mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin) writes:F >Hello all. This should be pretty basic but I am stumped. I want to beG >able to set the image ident string in the C source code. I am familiarsF >with the "ident=" linker option but I am hoping there is a way to set? >this using a pragma, etc. When I just compile and link without E >specifying an ident string, it defaults to V1.0. Does this originateCB >in the object or does the linker set this if no "ident" string is
 >provided? >e >Thanks. >Bill McLaughlin    - #pragma module my_program_name "Version Vm.n"E     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMs            aJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesc   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:29:23 -0400N- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r9 Subject: Re: How to set image ident info in C source codet, Message-ID: <3B7C3B32.28EB616F@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: . >   That would involve the Compaq C statement: > & >     #pragma module progname "string"    J From within the C program, is there a way to access that information ? ForH instance, if I want to use printf to display the module name and version- number that has been coded with the #pragma ?r  N (Right now, I have a separate printf statement with a manually entered version3 number I try to ensure matches the one in #pragma).    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 19:14:40 GMTm2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)9 Subject: Re: How to set image ident info in C source codeb2 Message-ID: <AYUe7.228$bB1.18117@news.cpqcorp.net>  l In article <e9cbc4f2.0108161012.42615f09@posting.google.com>, mcbill20@hotmail.com (Bill McLaughlin) writes:F :I want to be able to set the image ident string in the C source code.H :I am familiar with the "ident=" linker option but I am hoping there is E :a way to set this using a pragma, etc. When I just compile and link  D :without specifying an ident string, it defaults to V1.0. Does this C :originate in the object or does the linker set this if no "ident"   :string is provided?  ,   That would involve the Compaq C statement:  %     #pragma module progname "string" o  G   and/or the use of the IDENTIFICATION directive in the linker options  G   file, depending on exactly what you are up to.  If you don't use the cC   IDENTIFICATION option, the LINKER grabs what it believes the usermC   wants to use for image identification from the input object file.m     For example...       in wake.c source module:  # #pragma module wake "wake v1.0-000"o ..  $ in wake.obj (ANALYZE/OBJECT) output:   ..( 1.  MODULE HEADER (EOBJ$C_EMH), 73 bytes           structure level: 2!         maximum record size: 4088t         module name: "WAKE" '         module version: "wake v1.0-000"e/         creation   date/time: 16-AUG-2001 15:09h   ..  # in wake.exe (ANALYZE/IMAGE) output:    ..(         Image Identification Information  "                 image name: "WAKE":                 image file identification: "wake v1.0-000"3                 image file build identification: ""b7                 link date/time: 16-AUG-2001 15:09:37.84r/                 linker identification: "A11-50"    ..    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 19:10:27 -0500t From: MikeWJ <mjenkins@jcn.net>6 Subject: HSD108 Message-ID: <jst8nt4mk0j6kdmpf064dric8uqh74jgka@4ax.com>  + I know that the HSD10 has a DSSI connector.I  J BUT...is there an HSD10 model that has a SCSI connector, so that it may be- attached to a MicroVAX 3100 as a SCSI device?s   MikeWJ   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:07:48 +0200t0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Compaq.com> Subject: Re: intel we site* Message-ID: <3B7C2815.173B46DE@Compaq.com>   JF Mezei wrote:s > E > As of a few minutes ago, I had no problem reading the testimonials.1 >  > Macintosh, Netscape 4.76   I was sure :^))T   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:38:47 GMTo3 From: sy18889@COYOTE.FMR.COM (Bradford J. Hamilton)6 Subject: Re: intel we site0 Message-ID: <bORe7.65$4W2.149@news-srv1.fmr.com>   Hi Sue,p  $ I am able to access this page using:  rB Netscape Communicator 4.51, running on WinNT Workstation 4.0, SP6a' IE 5.0, running on the same workstatione% Mozilla 0.9.3, running on a PWS 433aug   without any noticeable issues.   Thanks,  Brad  h >In article <4ERe7.212$bB1.17931@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:L >Folks I have sent mail to the owner of this we site letting them know I can/ >acess from internet explorer but not netscape.r >o >sue > > >"Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message- >news:nPQe7.198$bB1.18122@news.cpqcorp.net...f >> folks can you access this?v >> >>@ >> http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/customer_quotes.html >> >> >> >> >r >s   Bradford J. Hamilton  bradhamilton@mediaone.net	(home) brad.hamilton@fmr.com		(work)i  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:51:26 GMTg3 From: sy18889@COYOTE.FMR.COM (Bradford J. Hamilton)? Subject: Re: intel we site0 Message-ID: <O5Re7.64$4W2.143@news-srv1.fmr.com>   Hi Sue,a  C Accessible from Marlborough, MA without issues at 10:52, Eastern...-  I :-) I'm assuming that the web server is *very* close to my location.  :-)e   --Bradh >In article <nPQe7.198$bB1.18122@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes: >folks can you access this?t >m >h> >http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/customer_quotes.html >  >p >e >C Bradford J. Hamilton  bradhamilton@mediaone.net	(home) brad.hamilton@fmr.com		(work)   ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:32:18 -0400e2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: intel we site2 Message-ID: <nPQe7.198$bB1.18122@news.cpqcorp.net>   folks can you access this?    = http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/customer_quotes.htmlW   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:43:04 -0400 , From: "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> Subject: Re: intel we site2 Message-ID: <YUQe7.6846$752.340039@brie.direct.ca>   Yups  = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message , news:nPQe7.198$bB1.18122@news.cpqcorp.net... > folks can you access this? >- >A? > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/customer_quotes.html= >= >= >= >=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:28:31 -0400-2 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> Subject: Re: intel we site2 Message-ID: <4ERe7.212$bB1.17931@news.cpqcorp.net>  K Folks I have sent mail to the owner of this we site letting them know I can . acess from internet explorer but not netscape.   suep  = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message , news:nPQe7.198$bB1.18122@news.cpqcorp.net... > folks can you access this? >  > ? > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/customer_quotes.htmlM >, >m >  >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:28:42 +0200o, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> Subject: Re: intel we site: Message-ID: <3b7be6b0$0$2957$e4fe514c@newszilla.xs4all.nl>  J Yes, I can. Not surprisingly, with only one exception (Suncor), OpenVMS is% only mentioned along with Tru64 Unix.i  	 Bart Zorne  = "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in messageh, news:nPQe7.198$bB1.18122@news.cpqcorp.net... > folks can you access this? >- > ? > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/customer_quotes.htmlI >a >o >n >    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 10:35:50 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)i Subject: Re: intel we site3 Message-ID: <77t+kf6i2DeV@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  g In article <nPQe7.198$bB1.18122@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> writes:E > folks can you access this?  ? > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/customer_quotes.htmls  C Yes, but the "jump to" pulldown has no effect (other than to change I the value in the pulldown).  I would expect  "go" button to accompany it.b  E Netscape Version 4.5-98293 with disabled cookies, Java and JavaScript    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 11:52:35 -0400s2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: intel we siteL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1608011152360001@user-2ive6b8.dialup.mindspring.com>  B In article <nPQe7.198$bB1.18122@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Sue Skonetski"# <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote:"   > folks can you access this? >  > ? > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/customer_quotes.htmlN   I can access it, but...S  J The "jump to" menu at the top doesn't work.  No button appears, so I can'tH activate my menu selection.  In the HTML source, the "t" and "u" entriesI in this menu seem to be missing the closing quotation mark.  I don't know$C HTML, so I can't say whether that is the cause of the broken menu. r Probably my browser is too old.    The validator at -    http://validator.w3.org/  doesn't like this page.   E There's still the oddity that two different folks at the London Stock 2 Exchange are quoted saying exactly the same thing.   -- . Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:54:30 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s Subject: Re: intel we site, Message-ID: <3B7BFAC4.6A97D560@videotron.ca>  U since the discussion is about the pull down menu (why is is there anyways ? -useless)-  X since the anchors in the HTML are inside quotes, I beleive that they are case dependant.  N So the javascript generates a request such as  www.chocolate.com/recipe.html#C  3 but in the code where C is expected to go, you havegE <a name="c">  so the request tries to find "C" but "C" doesn't exist.   L Also, as someone else has said, some of the quotes are missing at the end of the pulldown menu definition.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:10:15 -0500E1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n Subject: Re: intel we site' Message-ID: <3B7C7D07.2709500B@fsi.net>k   Sue Skonetski wrote: > M > Folks I have sent mail to the owner of this we site letting them know I can 0 > acess from internet explorer but not netscape. >  > sues > ? > "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.com> wrote in message . > news:nPQe7.198$bB1.18122@news.cpqcorp.net... > > folks can you access this? > >c > >-A > > http://www.compaq.com/hps/ipf-enterprise/customer_quotes.html   G Works fine with WhineBloze/95 and Netscape Communicator V4.61 (eight(8)o	 cookies).n   -- i David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 14:14:30 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org4 Subject: RE: Introduction and BACKUP recommendations3 Message-ID: <UYkJxd4nl4Db@eisner.encompasserve.org>.   In article <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511011C6619@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>, "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vanDijk@Getronics.com> writes:oN > The only worry you need to have is that you are backuping the right volumes.0 > If the consultant was smart logicals are used. > F > Shadow volumes have a disknames like $1$dsa100 where the members are > something like? > $1$dkb100 and $1$dkc100 the local could be some like disk100.f   Nitpick:  F Host based volume shadowing virtual units do not have allocation classD prefixes on the device names.  They are, after all, not MSCP-served.  K The physical units do indeed typically have that prefix (assuming you're inb a cluster anyway).  @ So you might have shadow set DSA100 built using physical devices@ $1$DKB100 and $1$DKC100 accessed using logical name DISK100 with volume label DISK100.h  3   $ MOUNT /SYSTEM /CLUSTER DSA100 DISK100 DISK100 -s" 	  /SHADOW=($1$DKB100:,$1$DKC100:)  D As Jeroen points out, as long as the users and the BACKUP proceduresB use the DISK100 logical name, everything works fine and the actual device names are irrelevant.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:34:54 -0400i2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>C Subject: Re: Is there a Lexical function that shows a process statel) Message-ID: <3B7C74BE.C576A7D@oracle.com>p  & how about something along these lines:  
 $	SET NOON $LP:	SHOW SYSTEM /OUTPUT=X.X $	SEARCH/OUTPUT=Y.Y X.X RWMBX  $	IF $SEVERITY .EQS. "1" THEN -d/ 		MAIL Y.Y someuser /SUBJ="Bad stuff happening"- $	DELETE X.X.*, Y.Y.*9
 $	WAIT 0:0:15r	 $	GOTO LP@   Bill Ames wrote: > N > That may work. I will have to work on it. What I want is to have a procedureJ > run in batch every 15 minutes that would email me when a process is in aM > RWMBX.  I would have some info sent at the same time.  I'm not that good atrM > DCL but I have created similar processes that checks on disk space and diske > errors every 15 minutes. >  > Here is my pseudo code.m >  > check for the RWMBX state  > if system state = RWMBX then >     create a log >     mail log to me > else# >     resubmit to run in 15 minutesi > end if > exit > ( > Any suggestions would be very welcome. > 	 > Thanks,  >  > Bill   --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:41:41 -0400o  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>C Subject: Re: Is there a Lexical function that shows a process statei6 Message-ID: <1010816232958.32103A-100000@Ives.egh.com>   Bill -  A You'll want to make sure it is really stuck in RWMBX before doingw	 anything!.  @ RWMBX, like all Resource Wait states, is a normal process state.B It is only when something gets stuck in this state for an extended' period of time that there is a problem.   > If you see a process in RWMBX, you need to wait a little while? (5-10 seconds should be good, unless you have a really sluggishO: system), and check the process again.  Then, only if it is? still in RWMBX and none of the CPU time, DIO count or BIO countn> has changed, is there potentially a problem.  I think for this? kind of testing, it would be easier to use something that loopsg; over processes using f$getjpi, because you already have ther; process id and you can use f$getjpi to retreive the currentm> CPU time, DIO count and BIO count, wait a few seconds, and see if they've changed.e  C You could also extract the relevant line from show system's output,e@ and see if anything has changed after waiting a bit, but I would? recommend against this because you may have to parse the output @ to find the right process and the format of "show system" is not- guaranteed not to change across VMS releases.m  : If you just want to email a snapshot the system for manual. investigation, then Norm's suggestion is fine.   HTHM  * On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, norm lastovica wrote:  ( > how about something along these lines: >  > $	SET NOON > $LP:	SHOW SYSTEM /OUTPUT=X.X > $	SEARCH/OUTPUT=Y.Y X.X RWMBXb! > $	IF $SEVERITY .EQS. "1" THEN -e1 > 		MAIL Y.Y someuser /SUBJ="Bad stuff happening". > $	DELETE X.X.*, Y.Y.*" > $	WAIT 0:0:15t > $	GOTO LPh >  > Bill Ames wrote: > > P > > That may work. I will have to work on it. What I want is to have a procedureL > > run in batch every 15 minutes that would email me when a process is in aO > > RWMBX.  I would have some info sent at the same time.  I'm not that good atVO > > DCL but I have created similar processes that checks on disk space and disk  > > errors every 15 minutes. > >  > > Here is my pseudo code.: > >  > > check for the RWMBX state   > > if system state = RWMBX then > >     create a log > >     mail log to me > > else% > >     resubmit to run in 15 minutesc
 > > end if > > exit > > * > > Any suggestions would be very welcome. > >  > > Thanks,  > >  > > Bill >  > -- a@ > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   -- w John Santost Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:51:38 +0300i& From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@compaq.com>' Subject: Re: Linker-Warnings in VMS 7.3o* Message-ID: <3B7C163A.8BEC394D@compaq.com>  6 Second ECO kit is planned for the OpenVMS V7.3 linker.G It will be shipped by the end of September and will include new version  of PRGDEVMSG.EXE  	 Guy Peleg  OpenVMS Engineeringo   John Reagan wrote:   > M.Eismann&W.Richard wrote:I > > I'm willing to live with the PAS$ENVIRONMENT_TIME warnings on V7.3 asoI > > on V7.1-1H1, because our application has not been affected by it. The-E > > only reason of posting this topic to news:comp.os.vms was, that ImD > > could not imagine (and nobody else) what does the linker mean by* > > %LINK-W-NOMSG, Message number 0064A120* > > %LINK-W-NOMSG, Message number 0064A128* > > %LINK-W-NOMSG, Message number 0064A130  > > after migrating to V7.3...?! > > Now we know more...  > >g >,F > By the way, the problem has been identified and solved.  Besides theC > regular LINKER, there was a LINKER64 that shipped along with someeJ > debugger (and Fortran?) kits during the V7.2 release cycle.  This linkerH > contained some new support for Fortran common blocks in P2 space.  TheH > support was folded into the V7.3 linker after it was tested.  However,F > the part of the OpenVMS build that  built the now-unneeded LINKER64,J > overwrote the update linker messages with an older copy.  This was fixedG > today in the build system.  I have no idea when it might be rolled up9 > into an ECO kit or the like. >a
 > John ReaganL > Compaq Pascal Project Leader   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:18:08 GMTw& From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@tru64.org>( Subject: Re: More Alpha rubbish in print@ Message-ID: <QwYe7.128168$TM5.22789798@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>    What's the url for that article?   Kens   -- Ken Farmer, kfarmer@tru64.orgo Tru64.org, http://www.tru64.orgn Tru64.org Newsletter:e< http://www2.tru64.org/pages.php?page=Newsletter-Registration      2 "Alan Greig" <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message2 news:t3fnntg4u59vgha41cc9slup069v6v4nrf@4ax.com... >eH > According to a report in this week's "Network News" Richard George, UKE > Alpha Manager, said: "We're currently on the EV5 family and will be G > developing EV6 and EV7 for Alpha customers. We envisage that the lastmG > Alpha processors will ship in 2008, while support will continue until0 > 2012". >nE > Having met Richard George I can only hope this is a misquote rather)) > than an intentional attempt to mislead.  > = > Article "Alpha buy puts Intel in prime position" written by  > david_ludlow@vnu.co.uk > -- > Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:40:56 +0100E% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>d$ Subject: More Alpha rubbish in print8 Message-ID: <t3fnntg4u59vgha41cc9slup069v6v4nrf@4ax.com>  F According to a report in this week's "Network News" Richard George, UKC Alpha Manager, said: "We're currently on the EV5 family and will be E developing EV6 and EV7 for Alpha customers. We envisage that the last-E Alpha processors will ship in 2008, while support will continue untilo 2012".  C Having met Richard George I can only hope this is a misquote rather-' than an intentional attempt to mislead.n  ; Article "Alpha buy puts Intel in prime position" written byM david_ludlow@vnu.co.uk -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:23:26 GMT02 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: More Alpha rubbish in print2 Message-ID: <ikTe7.217$bB1.18294@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <t3fnntg4u59vgha41cc9slup069v6v4nrf@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes: :aG :According to a report in this week's "Network News" Richard George, UK-D :Alpha Manager, said: "We're currently on the EV5 family and will be/ :developing EV6 and EV7 for Alpha customers..."i :lD :Having met Richard George I can only hope this is a misquote rather( :than an intentional attempt to mislead.  H   Having recently confirmed this with Richard George, the source of the I   error lurks elsewhere.  Richard is of course well aware that the Alpha 0D   EV68 microprocessor is current, and that EV7 is under development.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:36:01 +0200e  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>Y Subject: NUMA Performance of "Certain base OS features" in QBB0 - Which features are thesn+ Message-ID: <VA.0000041f.1c30065f@sture.ch>a  C From the OpenVMS Alpha Partitioning and Galaxy Guide, section 3.2.4   G http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6512/6512pro_002.html#numa508u   "3.2.4 Use of OpenVMS Features  G Heavy use of certain base operating system features will result in much E remote access because the data to support these functions resides in lG the memory of QBB0. Some data cannot be duplicated and some can be but m has not been yet."  ( And the white paper dated 12-Nov-2000 at  G http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/whitepapers/openvms-on-gs-config-  and-perf/index.html   % repeats this advice in Section 4.3.4:s  F "Heavy use of certain base operating system features (for example ???)@ will cause much remote access because the data to support these H functions resides in the memory of QBB0. Some data cannot be duplicated G and some can be but has not been yet. Future releases will continue to e do more of this."a  F Raises the question: Does anyone have examples of what these "certain  base OS features" are?   ___d
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 12:46:03 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)-Y Subject: Re: NUMA Performance of "Certain base OS features" in QBB0 - Which features are s3 Message-ID: <Mbi6ykYjzE1A@eisner.encompasserve.org>e   In article <y4bslgj6ln.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:N > From the mention of QBB0 and therefore CPU0, I would assume anything tied toO > CPU0. I/O data structures, lock manager data structures, SCS data structures,Y  > possibly the PFN database, ...  F I think the ambiguity is because they have been trying to fix these asG they discover them.  Unless someone from VMS Development chimes in withtE a current list, someone who has a NUMA machine should ask at US DECUSs next month in Los Angeles.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:21:42 -0400m- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> Y Subject: Re: NUMA Performance of "Certain base OS features" in QBB0 - Which features are a, Message-ID: <3B7C1D3B.D517D26F@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote: G > Raises the question: Does anyone have examples of what these "certain  > base OS features" are?  L I remember asking a question about this. When you install an image, its dataM structures and pages will reside in the memory of one area, so processes thatuL execute "far away" will require non-local memory access to fetch those pages that are in memory.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:02:52 +0300e& From: Guy Peleg <guy.peleg@compaq.com>Y Subject: Re: NUMA Performance of "Certain base OS features" in QBB0 - Which features are n* Message-ID: <3B7C18DC.263A23BC@compaq.com>   Paul,t   Here is small example:  G * Non page pool starts at QBB0. If your heavily using datastructures inw nonpage.H pool like PCB you might get performance hit. Nonpage pool will expand to other QBBs.e  D A lot of efforts are being invested in improving scaling of VMS, one& example is the dedicated lock manager.  H If you are interested in more details contact me offline and I will send# you presentation that summaries thei Numa affect.  	 Guy Peleg  OpenVMS Engineering$ (guy.peleg@compaq.com)       Paul Sture wrote:a  E > From the OpenVMS Alpha Partitioning and Galaxy Guide, section 3.2.4/ >wI > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6512/6512pro_002.html#numa508t >p  > "3.2.4 Use of OpenVMS Features >cI > Heavy use of certain base operating system features will result in muchnF > remote access because the data to support these functions resides inH > the memory of QBB0. Some data cannot be duplicated and some can be but > has not been yet." >g* > And the white paper dated 12-Nov-2000 at >RI > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/whitepapers/openvms-on-gs-config-l > and-perf/index.htmln >t' > repeats this advice in Section 4.3.4:t >"H > "Heavy use of certain base operating system features (for example ???)A > will cause much remote access because the data to support theseoI > functions resides in the memory of QBB0. Some data cannot be duplicatedoH > and some can be but has not been yet. Future releases will continue to > do more of this.", >eG > Raises the question: Does anyone have examples of what these "certaino > base OS features" are? >  > ___n > Paul Sture
 > Switzerlandu   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:44:07 GMTo. From: "mulp" <michaelpettengill@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: OpenVMS  + ItaniumhF Message-ID: <rNZe7.15875$ZM2.1400647@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  7 "Mike Rechtman" <rechtman@tzora.co.il> wrote in messager% news:3B7B524B.1C63FDED@tzora.co.il...- >-* > Does anyone recall RSTS SYSGEN circa V6?: > If you had set Hertz = 60 the message was something like$ > ... Go make yourself some coffee..C > but if you were at Hertz = 50 (i.e. not U.S.A.) it would send youb > to have some tea.u  K I know that RSX-11M sysgen had that feature; don't know if RSTS/E had it asi well, or before RSX.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 20:09:54 -0400a2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>" Subject: Re: Oracle RDB "FATALOSI"* Message-ID: <3B7C60D2.20A7F1A8@oracle.com>  = is there a question here?  I imagine that calling Rdb support A would be the correct next step if you are looking for assistance.i1 The current supported version of Rdb is V7.0.6.1.   $ fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br wrote: > F > We are having a FATALOSI error when trying to EXTRACT  the structure > of a RDB database.G > I've searched in the Oracle Metalink site, this newsgroup and I didnt 3 > find any information related to this error below.  > J > But we can extract the structure of the same database in another server,: > using the logical name, pointing to the another machine. > ? > The version of my OpenVMS is 7.1-2 and the Oracle RDB 7.0-31.  > J > The version of the operating systems which worked the extract is OpenVMS > 7.2 ! > and the same Oracle RDB 7.0-31.e > + > $ rmu/extract/item=all/out=afonso.sql bdai+ > %COSI-F-UNEXPERR, unexpected system error/= > -SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=CC, virtualt< > address=000000000000001B, PC=0000000000000003, PS=7AF3FCF8C > %RMU-F-FATALOSI, Fatal error from the Operating System Interface.gJ > %RMU-F-FTL_RMU, Fatal error for RMU operation at 15-AUG-2001 16:39:18.89 > 	 > Regardsc >  > FC   --  > norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:44:39 +0100o% From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>tW Subject: Re: OT:  Yugo -- was You Get What You Pay For, a.k.a., There's No Free   Lunch.8 Message-ID: <5dcnntk27b3pu7i1dt3g16odb5nvegbcbo@4ax.com>  8 On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:19:10 -0400, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote:   O >My favorite Yugo story was the dealership in Kalamazoo, MI, in 1989, which had > >on their big sign, "1988 Yugo, $5995, buy one, get one free."  B Yugo technology must have been highly advanced as NATO blew up theE factory remember.So next time you come up behind one just remember itv- probably has weapons lock and could be armed.s     -- Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:09:22 GMT0B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>Y Subject: Possible questions to ask at CETS2001, was: Re: Compaq Brochure indicates death c4 Message-ID: <m%Te7.3665$2u.42015@www.newsranger.com>  . On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:00:03 +0100, in article? <b5vknt8vvb4sm6mua2o15fmrirmkn0v10s@4ax.com>, Alan Greig wrote:1 >uF >Anyone spot the lack of mention of VMS? A VMS without Oracle productsF >(including RDB, DBMS, CDD) is not viable. Full Stop. No Argument. Yes@ >you can have a few niche applications but not a general purposeG >commercial operating system. And not an operating system we could use.H  G A lot of the IA64 discussion in the newsgroup is now starting to becomeeC repetitive. Perhaps what we could do instead is to focus on the keyrK questions, like the one that Alan raises above, that those people attending K CETS (which does not include me, I'm in the UK) next month may want to ask.w  J People may want to think about what questions are important. If you are anG (involuntary) ex-DEC/CPQ person, your priorities (ie: why did they justpJ cancel this superior product that I have worked on for the last few years)D are likely to be different from a customer's IT manager who needs toE recommend a future direction and wants to know when the ports for keyl0 products are going to be announced for IA64/VMS.  J Those key products may not be ones that the customer uses (I, for example,J don't use any of Oracle's products), but every potential IA64/VMS customerI is going to know, that without these key products, then this new platformo9 will not be viable as a general purpose operating system.   K If anybody is interested in building up a list of questions, then it should-J probably be in two sections: Those questions that you _need_ the answer to@ and those questions that it would be nice to have the answer to.  K [And no, this is not some survey to be conducted in e-mail. I am interested L in seeing the ongoing discussions re-focused from general moaning and into aL list of key questions and in order for that to happen, people need to debate! just what the key questions are.]s   The key parts of my list:t   Need to answer --------------  F 1) Why has CPQ/Oracle not announced the port of the Oracle products toA IA64/VMS when promotion of ports to IA64/Tru64 are taking place ?o  L When you have promotion of your products for one operating system (Tru64) onL IA64 and the complete absence of promotion of another operating system (VMS)H on the same platform, the impression is given that somebody is trying toJ decide when to announce that your products will not be ported to the other	 platform.h  G I hasten to add that this is just the impression that is been given andbJ that I recognise that Oracle's porting announcements may be just round theL corner, but what matters is what people _think_ the reality is, and not what it actually may be.    Would be nice to get answers ----------------------------  G 1) A statement from CPQ that once the decision to drop Alpha was taken,nH then the port of VMS to IA64 was always intended and that it just wasn't decided at the last minute.   I 2) How do CPQ reconcile the previous strong pro-Alpha statements with theE current situation ?e   Simon.   -- m; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP K In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered arE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:26:18 GMT B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>Y Subject: Re: Possible questions to ask at CETS2001, was: Re: Compaq Brochure indicates de 4 Message-ID: <efUe7.3692$2u.42212@www.newsranger.com>  , On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 18:09:22 GMT, in article> <m%Te7.3665$2u.42015@www.newsranger.com>, Simon Clubley wrote: > G >1) Why has CPQ/Oracle not announced the port of the Oracle products to B >IA64/VMS when promotion of ports to IA64/Tru64 are taking place ? > M >When you have promotion of your products for one operating system (Tru64) onrM >IA64 and the complete absence of promotion of another operating system (VMS)8I >on the same platform, the impression is given that somebody is trying to0K >decide when to announce that your products will not be ported to the othere
 >platform.
 ^^^^^^^^^^  K This of course should say operating system. I missed this during re-reading  prior to posting..   Simon.   -- p; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFPPK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered a.E truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.E   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 14:20:45 -07001 From: Alex.Feliziani@space.gc.ca (Alex Feliziani) 5 Subject: Problems adding a user account on VAXVMSv060 = Message-ID: <f4436989.0108161320.2658b31e@posting.google.com>a   Hi ,  = I am trying to add a user account on my VAX system using ADD.a   The following is what i enter;   UAF> add Alex/password=simulator/pwdlifetime=none/flags=nodisuser/uic=[200,10]/account=system/device=dka200/directory=[user.alex]lgicmd=""/owner="Alex
 Feliziani"    B Then i reboot and enter the username and password. It gives me the following message:  .                     USER AUTHORIZATION FAILURE  F I created a subdirectory on $disk 2 named ALEX in the USER directory. A I would really appreciate it if someone would be able to help me!s  
 Thank you  Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Aug 2001 14:32:57 -0700 From: aball@nxco.com (Aron)e' Subject: restoring os on a VAX 4000-200d= Message-ID: <dbe3dda9.0108161332.2ac42e8c@posting.google.com>   D I recently recieved a tape which is said to contain a complete imageE of a vms system.  How could I go about restoring this on the 4000-2001F I have.  It has a tape drive, though I don't know how to copy the tapeB to the hard drive and make it functional.  Thanx for all the help, I've hardly played with VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:40:44 +0100r* From: Bob Knowles <bob.knowles@compaq.com>0 Subject: Re: Result of your mail service request* Message-ID: <3B7BCD5C.7E8F83E4@compaq.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------CF554194C84C8DB073E39EFE* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitr  W Alternatively, find an SMTP guru (I'm not one, but I had this done for me several yearseF ago), who can TelNet in and send a fake message as from your old self.   br      $ fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br wrote:   > People >iE > Is there a way to unsubscribe and old address. The Lotus Notes team @ > changed my email to fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br, but I still3 > receiving email from the list, in the old addressi& > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br.K > How can I stop the sending of emails to the old address. This old address  > still workingn > for receiving emails only. >j	 > Regardsl >  > FC >n >i) >                     Info-VAX-Request@MV9V >                     B.SAIC.COM                 Para:   fabio_compaq@petrobras.com.br4 >                                                cc:Y >                     15/08/2001 13:57           Assunto:     Result of your mail service 8 >                                                request >u >n > [UNSUBSCRIBE INFO-VAX] >cH > You are not subscribed to INFO-VAX and, therefore, cannot unsubscribe. >t > End of mail service request.  & --------------CF554194C84C8DB073E39EFE- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;-  name="bob.knowles.vcf"- Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit3) Content-Description: Card for Bob Knowlesa  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="bob.knowles.vcf"s   begin:vcard 
 n:Knowles;Bobw tel;work:+44 (0)118 920 3592 x-mozilla-html:FALSE
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1a% email;internet:bob.knowles@compaq.coma, fn:Bob Knowles, Mail and Messaging, Info Mgt	 end:vcardc  ( --------------CF554194C84C8DB073E39EFE--   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:38:07 -0400h, From: "Rick Retterer" <Rick0157@charter.net>J Subject: Re: Serve X(DEC)Window display from system w/ no graphics device./ Message-ID: <tnp0ksebangv7a@corp.supernews.com>t  K 1) Make sure you have installed the OpenVMS components.. (Transports, fontso etc...)  2) Install the Motif Softwarem 3) Install the license
 4) Reboot.% 5) Connect and enjoy...!   No Foolin'-   Rick  - "Alan B." <alanb@cloud9.net> wrote in message-6 news:88599d89.0108160911.40aa761@posting.google.com...F > How can I start DECWindows on an Alpha which has no graphics device,G > so that I can log in remotely with an X windows session? I don't caren3 > about a local X windows display. Can I "fool" it?- >-( > I can not seem to find how to do this. >1	 > Thanks,0 >  Alanm   ------------------------------   Date: 16 AUG 2001 19:28:05 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) Subject: Re: SYSTEM HANG-UP06 Message-ID: <16AUG01.19280515@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  > In a previous article, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:  I ->I did see the same behavior, except that, if I did wait to long to stop F ->BACKUP the server did hang too and nothing did go on until reboot ofI ->server. I did made a call to TSC Muenchen. The specialist did say: yourhE ->quotas for BACKUP are too high. I could not believe that. But i did E ->made quotas and sysgen parameters smaller and in the right relation/C ->(there are rules for the relationship of some quotas/parameters).nE ->After doing that, I did never see a hang onymore. I am sorry, but IuF ->can't remember all the values and quotas/parameter I did change, but5 ->may be there are some specialist in this newsgroup.   E If the files being backed up have lots of ACL's (e.g. Pathworks is in H use) it's possible to exhaust PAGEDYN due to all the ACL blocks from the? open files getting stuffed there. The backup quotas (WSQUOTA inmD particular) throttle the number of files backup opens and can have aG large effect on PAGEDYN usage. I've seen this happen on a 7.2-1 system.2E To see if this is happening observe "paged dynamic memory" during the-9 backup with the SHOW MEMORY/POOL/FUL command. Or use SHOWsI POOL/PAGED/SUMMARY from SDA (ANALYZE/SYSTEM) to observe the percentage ofs ACL packets in paged pool.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 09:08:44 -0700 (PDT)a. From: Fabio Cardoso <fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br> Subject: Testing@ Message-ID: <20010816160844.68179.qmail@web20206.mail.yahoo.com>   Testing return......  2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?H Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 22:09:47 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>U$ Subject: The Final Knell Has Sounded& Message-ID: <3B7C8AFB.928F5A3@fsi.net>   <exasperation>  ( Well, it's tough to argue at this point:  F Alpha is dead with no viable replacement currently on the market or on the foreseeable horizon.  F No more Alpha newsletter. Oh, there'll be mention of it in the OpenVMS< Times for a while, but that'll fade, too. History repeats...   No more CI clusters.   No more SCSI clusters.  G The last non-government VMS holdouts are abandoning in droves, with the 6 possible exceptions of Cerner and who ever bought SMS.  H No VMS newbie sessions at CETS-2001. I hear even Wayne Sauer's venerable@ performance and management sessions got bumped. No DFW stuff was# accepted, either, from what I hear.0  2 No more platforms + no more newbies = no more VMS.  H Congratulations Compaq - you won. VMS is now officially dead, outside ofH the government markets you chose for it. (The business schools will have@ to rewrite their text books - instead of the market choosing theH product, the product chose the market. Wonder what Clem Stone or old man" Rockefeller would say about that?)   </exasperation>B  ? Gee - maybe it's time for an INDEPENDENT OpenVMS User Group and D Symposium - followed soon by an Independent OpenVMS, in the hands ofG profit-minded entrepreneurs who know something about marketing to boot.t  D (Geez! I've *REALLY* gone off the deep end! What's the number of the5 employment office at the scavenger company again...?)m   -- e David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:21:10 -0400n( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>( Subject: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded+ Message-ID: <3B7CA9C6.9E6328C4@bigfoot.com>B  A > Gee - maybe it's time for an INDEPENDENT OpenVMS User Group andnF > Symposium - followed soon by an Independent OpenVMS, in the hands ofI > profit-minded entrepreneurs who know something about marketing to boot.i  H Hey Dave, why don't you get Linus Torvalds' email address and ask him toH write a lookalike VMS that runs on PC's?  Of course you know that I feelG that the Compaq VMS port will be dumped soon, so he can probably Finish  (pun intended) before they do! > F > (Geez! I've *REALLY* gone off the deep end! What's the number of the7 > employment office at the scavenger company again...?)t >  > -- > David J. Dachterax > dba DJE Systemse > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:46:57 GMTl. From: "mulp" <michaelpettengill@earthlink.net>/ Subject: Re: The VMS Opensource Porting Project2F Message-ID: <lI_e7.16023$ZM2.1413749@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message& news:9ku76o$2ggt$1@info.cs.uofs.edu...  G > Any other suggestions, as we still have a lot of students who haven'teK > picked a project yet??  (not Emacs, these are undergrads, not prodigies.)s > I > And, on another note, I am trying to gather sources of information theydG > are likely to need.  In the heat of the last discussion a book named,-  L Grab the Apache stuff.  Its been ported to VMS and the sources are available6 so you can look at the techniques used to do the port.  L There is an interest in a search engine that works on VMS.  What looks to beK the best code to start with for a search engine (google's code is no longerrK available) is HT://Dig.  This is a large project because there are a number 2 of components that need to be ported, or reported.  " http://www.htdig.org/ for HT://DIG  B It uses a version of the Berkeley database which is available from http://www.sleepycat.com/iL There was a partial port to VMS done at one point, but one component missing. was tcl which is used to run acceptance tests.  K The database code runs in several modes; one is "single user" and the othertI uses locks which might be interesting to map into VMS lock manager locks..H Making it operate in a cluster would be an interesting "senior" project.  K tcl/tk has also been ported, but not the later versions.  Updating the porttH to the latest version of TCL might be a bit of a challenge since it adds support for multithreading.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 15:52:56 +01000( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1>* Subject: UK Hobbyists: want cheap VMS kit?) Message-ID: <3B7BDE48.EA2B24DA@127.0.0.1>p  	 Dear All,-  F If you're based in the UK and would like to get your hands on hardware? to run a hobbyist version of VMS, then this may be of interest.-  G After a recent visit to Nexpress based in the east Midlands near J23 of.B the M1, they have an excess of older stock that is not economic toE refurbish, so would like to make a little room  in their warehouse bydG letting it go, very reasonably, to deserving homes. The kit varies fromdC low end VAX systems, medium 4000 (4000-300) systems, a few VAX 7000aH systems (power supply and space permitting), 2100 series Alphas and evenH the odd 8400 Alpha. No licences of course, so DECUS membership required!  & Contact Paul Davis on 01509 501107, or" p_davis@nexpress.co.uk.delete-this --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:28:43 GMT1B From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP>Y Subject: Unix sys admins storing Unix logs on VMS systems ?, was: Re: An ad Compaq shouldr4 Message-ID: <%%Oe7.3250$2u.38755@www.newsranger.com>  , On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:29:39 GMT, in articleC <3b7b9faf.573525986@news.cc.ukans.edu>, paul@wren.cc.kux.edu wrote:o > D >Usenix security presenters tell Unix sys admins to store their Unix >logs on VMS systems.s >(  H Do you have an online reference to this ? Is there a specific context toL this recommendation and are the people making this recommendation considered@ to have a position of authority in the Unix security community ?  D If this can be verified as true (and if it is been made as a generalJ recommendation), this could be very valuable material for some VMS people.   Simon.  , >DefCon attendees (hackers and others) know: >n >VMS is "Cool and Unhackable"e >,+ >Shouldn't your "sensitive" data be on VMS?  >e   -- y; Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP K In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered a E truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 21:04:31 -0500e1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>hY Subject: Re: Unix sys admins storing Unix logs on VMS systems ?, was: Re: An ad Compaq shy' Message-ID: <3B7C7BAF.7C23F7CD@fsi.net>o   paul@wren.cc.kux.edu wrote:a > 1 > On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 12:28:43 GMT, Simon Clubley 7 > <simon_clubley@remove_me.excite.com-Earth.UFP> wrote:h > / > >On Thu, 16 Aug 2001 10:29:39 GMT, in articlepF > ><3b7b9faf.573525986@news.cc.ukans.edu>, paul@wren.cc.kux.edu wrote: > >>G > >>Usenix security presenters tell Unix sys admins to store their Unixa > >>logs on VMS systems. > >> > > K > >Do you have an online reference to this ? Is there a specific context totO > >this recommendation and are the people making this recommendation considerediC > >to have a position of authority in the Unix security community ?s > > G > >If this can be verified as true (and if it is been made as a general M > >recommendation), this could be very valuable material for some VMS people.- > D > I think it was during Marcus Ranum's 8th Usenix Security SymposiumF > presentation that he made that recommendation. Don't know if he ever3 > put it "in print", either physically or vitually.a  1 Put out an APB for a recording of the session(s).    -- o David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systems) http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.455 ************************