1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 22 Aug 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 465       Contents: 4000-90 Console Commands+ Re: Agree to differ (was Take it elsewhere)  Re: BIG cluster problem  Chicago area job5 Re: Common Code (was Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded) ! Re: Compaq do not promote OpenVMS ! Re: Compaq do not promote OpenVMS  Re: Compaq in good company. Re: Converting a time to UTC and displaying it. Re: Converting a time to UTC and displaying it Re: DECdoc.  DECdoc.  Re: DECdoc.  Re: DECdoc.  Re: DECdoc.  Re: DECdoc. % Free Research Report luyfuofgkufguotf 
 Help with DCL  Re: Help with DCL  Re: Help with DCL  Re: I hate Compaq ' Is there a why to set verify in sysgen? + Re: Is there a why to set verify in sysgen? + Re: Is there a why to set verify in sysgen? + Re: Is there a why to set verify in sysgen? + Re: Is there a why to set verify in sysgen?  Re: More Alpha rubbish in print  Re: More Alpha rubbish in print P Re: OutOfMemoryError when running the dom-xml-parser with larger xml-files (2.3MP Re: Prerequisite Products and IPF Porting (was: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded)P Re: Prerequisite Products and IPF Porting (was: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded)P Re: Prerequisite Products and IPF Porting (was: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded)A Re: Prerequisite Products? (was: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded) A Re: Prerequisite Products? (was: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded)  Re: Take it elsewhere  Re: Take it elsewhere 8 Re: Take it elsewhere (was: The Final Knell Has Sounded) Re: TAR files in VMS$ Re: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64 Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded  Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded  Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded  Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded  Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded   UNIX on an AlphaServer 800 5/333 V5.5-2 Password Recovery Re: V5.5-2 Password Recovery Re: VAX: DEC-C float & double ( VMS high reliability needed by Air Force, Re: VMS high reliability needed by Air Force, Re: VMS high reliability needed by Air Force5 Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64 5 Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64 5 Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64 1 VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64 5 Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64 5 Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64 5 Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64 5 Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64  Re: Wailing and Moaning....  Re: Wailing and Moaning....  Re: Wailing and Moaning....  Re: Wailing and Moaning....  Re: Wailing and Moaning....  Re: Wailing and Moaning....  Re: Wailing and Moaning....  Re: Wailing and Moaning....  Re: Wailing and Moaning....  Re: Wailing and Moaning....  Re: Wailing and Moaning.... P Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: The Final    Knell P Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: The Final  Knell HaP Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: The Final Knell HasP Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: TheFinal Knell Has P Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: TheFinal Knell Has P Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: TheFinal Knell Has   Re: ZLX2-E (TGA2) dial settings?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 05:15:08 GMT + From: "Barry Streets" <berrys2552@home.com> ! Subject: 4000-90 Console Commands ? Message-ID: <wdHg7.27367$P15.14660438@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>   K I just got a used 4000-90 VAXstation and although it boots fine, I can't do K any commands from the console prompt; (>>>). When I type anything like SHOW : BOOT; SHOW DEVICE; SET BOOT DKA300, it comes back Ill cmd.  L Is there any jumpers or switch settings to change to enable the console?????  
 Barry Streets 
 Echo Group   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:59:03 +0200 & From: John McLean <mcleanj@dplanet.ch>4 Subject: Re: Agree to differ (was Take it elsewhere)* Message-ID: <3B833C17.C7C1F52A@dplanet.ch>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > _ > > In article <3B82F22A.3FA6D811@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:  > > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > >>b > > >> In article <3B81D761.ED27FDF4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > > >> > Larry Kilgallen wrote: 	 > > >> >>     
 Gentlemen,  D Can you agree to differ about what Compaq are doing, and leave it at; that ?  This thread is getting rather tedious and personal.   F You are both getting like two bulls waving red rags at each other - if that is possible !    H As for taking a VMS discussion elsewhere, sorry Larry but VMS discussionG is what this newsgroup is for. If you don't want to read David's posts,  then don't.      John McLean    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:51:39 GMT ) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)   Subject: Re: BIG cluster problem0 Message-ID: <3b82feef.16851060@news.wcc.govt.nz>  C On 21 Aug 2001 06:03:22 -0700, vmendham@altavista.com (Vic Mendham)  wrote:  D >Seems I've lost a system disk on a node in my cluster and I have noB >documentation or a system disk backup. So I need some cluster 101 >help. > F >Basically we cluster the nodes incase of a disaster. We switch to theB >backup box, if the production box goes down. Mainly we shadow theA >users disks between the 2 nodes in the cluster for this purpose.  > B >I am using the production system disk image to rebuild the backup
 >system disk. G >I need to change the nodename and the decnet node id. How can I change F >the decnet node id when I don't know what it was? How does clusteringE >work? Is there a config file on the production node, which indicates E >the nodename or Decnet node Id, which I need to ensure the secondary  >node is set to? > F >I managed to boot the production box by SET VOTE 5, but now if I showD >cluster, it shows as a cluster of one without any info on the other >node. > F >For the backup node, I have a hard copy of the systartup_vms file andA >the other files, which startup specifics like queue mgr or other F >specific services, but nothing on decnet node ID, also I think we areD >using Decnet Phase 5. We don't usually start anything on the backupF >node, when the production node is running, just enough to ensure thatC >the cluster (networking) is established and disk shadowing occurs.  >  >Any suggestions?   8 To find out what the Decnet Node number was you could do mcr decnet_register A on the Production System, this "might" have details of the backup  node. D There's a couple of Sysgen changes you'll need to make on the Backup node.  SCSNODE should equal node name1 SCSSYSTEMID is calculated from the DECNet Address 8 (Decnet Area  * 1024) + Decnet Number - e.g. 2.12 = 2060  E If you know all the VMS Decnet Nodes at your site then you could just > pick a new DECNet Address and reconfigure DECNet as required.   F The cluster membership is controlled by a cluster number and password.F These are stored in sys$system:cluster_authorize.dat. As you've copied8 the System Disk from Production this should be the same.  C Cluster stability is achieved via Quorum, which is a calculation of  expected votes & actual votes.  B Clusters generally do not have primary or secondary nodes. They're3 either voting or non-voting members of the cluster. F Without a few more specifics it is difficult to say what your problems are.  ? You really need to understand the relationships between quorum, B expected votes and votes in order to understand what is going on.      > + >Please reply to victor.mendham@emergis.com    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 23:48:09 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)  Subject: Chicago area job 3 Message-ID: <0sC8bZfLxfQF@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <3B8313B3.CC9F36A4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:   C 	David, there are a dozen ways to skin this cat.  Every major metro > 	has VMS support jobs.  They may be tricky to find and you may: 	be too high-priced (that is not a bad thing, it is a good> 	thing), but they are there.  Curious to find out who this is. 	Let us know. . .    				Rob    ---   " Title: VMS Support/Dec VAX Server & Skills: VMS Support with 5 years exp.        Date Posted: 08/16/01  Location: des plaines, IL  Area code: 847        ! Tax Term: Contract (Corp to Corp)  Contract to Hire (W2)  Contract (W2) 
 Pay: open  Length: 6 months on going         Email: aaron.adams@sapphire.com  Web: www.sapphire.com        Position ID: 6529  DICE ID: cxsapdpi        Job Description:  6 WE ARE UNABLE TO SPONSOR AT THIS TIME. PLEASE NO THIRD5 PARTY RESUMES AND YOU MUST BE LOCAL TO CHICAGO AREA!   VMS Support on Dec Vax1 15-20 servers and the oldest Hardware is versions , 4000-60, newest hardware is Alpha 4100-5/6005 Oldest software is 5.5-2H4, Newest software is 7.2-1.   4 Person needs to have 5 years of experience. It is an ongoing support position.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:28:25 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: Common Code (was Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded)2 Message-ID: <tDyg7.472$bB1.29643@news.cpqcorp.net>  i In article <55f85d77.0108210526.2424e44e@posting.google.com>, P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) writes:   H :Compaq in the past have been known to produce rather non standard IA32 8 :(not that anything in that area is standard) products.   J   In the commodity hardware space, products are only subtly different, at K   best.  While you might initially assume I am refering to the features of  K   the hardware product, this also applies to the product internals and the  J   product technologies and the product interfaces.  For example, commodityI   graphics controllers have the product lifespan of a fruit fly, and the     varied genetics to match...    :That, with the lackE :of technical information on the DL590 left me with totally _no idea_ 7 :and an incorrect assumption about what I would expect.   I   The ProLiant DL590 is a first-generation system, and (as I have already J   mentioned) might not be an officially suppported platform (supported forK   use with OpenVMS, that is) when the OpenVMS IPF software ships.  OpenVMS  G   Engineering will use the ProLiant DL590 as an initial target for the  K   OpenVMS port.  You may or may not be able to (correctly) infer additional H   information based on the early use of the ProLiant DL590 platform, in    other words.    H :I'll try the Intel site as the first port of call to get a grasp on EFI :as you will be using it.   K   I will be covering at least some of the EFI in the CETS2001 presentation.   / :Many thanks, and best wishes for the project!.   &   Thanks.  Kind words are appreciated.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:04:28 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> * Subject: Re: Compaq do not promote OpenVMS( Message-ID: <9lu7qs$do7$1@pyrite.mv.net>  3 "John McLean" <mcleanj@dplanet.ch> wrote in message $ news:3B8295F0.8E7FA3C4@dplanet.ch...   ...   E The second item is the marketing budget for VMS.  About 18 months ago E the annual marketing budget for VMS was about $12 million.  Yes, just G $12 million on an income stream that produced something like $1 billion H of the total 2.4 billion for the "Enterprise Computing" segment in 1999, ie. about 1% of that income.  F (I am using the figures that Compaq restated in the 2000 annual reportE and it must be remembered that "enterprise computing" is a mixture of 0 Tru64, VMS, storage products and other systems.)  H I should also point out that this $12 million was almost "seed" money toF establish if the market could be increased and if so, more money wouldF be forthcoming later.  I have no idea what the previous budget was but/ clearly it was something less than $12 million.   H At the same time the marketing budget for PCs was . well, I have no ideaF . but given that advertisements appear in print media in most parts ofE the world every day and there are regular television advertisements I C think we can safely assume that it ran to the hundreds of millions. < And in 1999 income from PCs was .... a loss of $186 million.   *****   H Page 52 of Compaq's 1999 Annual Report (in .pdf format) states that 1999K advertising expenses were $385 million.  Of course, advertising is only one E aspect of marketing, so the total 1999 marketing budget may have been H significantly higher.  And IIRC PC advertising was in part subsidized byJ Intel and Microsoft, so the effective expenditure/exposure was even higher when compared with VMS.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:12:45 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> * Subject: Re: Compaq do not promote OpenVMS( Message-ID: <9lufbi$nvg$1@pyrite.mv.net>  2 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:9lu7qs$do7$1@pyrite.mv.net...  J > Page 52 of Compaq's 1999 Annual Report (in .pdf format) states that 1999I > advertising expenses were $385 million.  Of course, advertising is only  one G > aspect of marketing, so the total 1999 marketing budget may have been J > significantly higher.  And IIRC PC advertising was in part subsidized byL > Intel and Microsoft, so the effective expenditure/exposure was even higher > when compared with VMS.   E Sorry for the double follow-up, but I just found the 2000 advertising J expenditure figures (in the officially-submitted government version of theG annual report that someone kindly pointed me to when the Compaq version 5 wasn't obtainable):  down just a tad at $370 million.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:31:08 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)# Subject: Re: Compaq in good company L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2108012331080001@user-2ivealm.dialup.mindspring.com>  5 In article <3B7D579B.DEAEC510@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    M > It is interesting that the media keep talking about Carly Fiorina's future, H > but nobody talks about Compaq. It is also intertesting that CNN rarelyJ > mentions Compaq (rarely listed along with the other box makers when they > compare daily performance).   < Maybe this is evidence that some IT journalists are bumblingC herd-followers, just like some IT executives?  If none of the other I journalists are covering a story, it would be risky for the first one who = tried it.  So they just keep recycling the same faddish news.   5 It's never safe to rely on journalists for your news.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:40:39 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)7 Subject: Re: Converting a time to UTC and displaying it 2 Message-ID: <XOyg7.473$bB1.29651@news.cpqcorp.net>  b In article <kTug7.13884$Z2.167488@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:M :One of the programers here is trying to convert a time to UTC and display it C :as UTC. He has been having no luck so far, so I am trying to help.   *   Exactly what is the input time format?  ;   What are the specifics of the desired UTC output display?   7 :I modified this example from DSN to change the logical F :'SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL' in the process table while the program isK :running since I thought that should do it. But the results both before the ' :logical change and after are the same.   I   I would tend to discourage you from using TDF-level APIs -- other than  I   those discussed in the OpenVMS FAQ -- without knowing rather more about !   what problem you seek to solve.   : :This is being tested on both AXP/VMS 7.3 and VAX/VMS 7.1.  K   There are version-level differences here -- OpenVMS V7.3 added some APIs  N   to the mix that were formerly only available with DECnet-Plus DECdts loaded.H   (Use of the sys$library:dtss$shr.exe shareable APIs is likely easiest,L   but that means an upgrade to OpenVMS VAX V7.3, or the use of DECnet-Plus.)  L   The DECnet-Plus DECdts API targets C programs, which means that it can be ,   called from Fortran code with some effort.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:04:45 -0700i< From: "Kenneth H. Fairfield" <Kenneth.H.Fairfield@intel.com>7 Subject: Re: Converting a time to UTC and displaying ite) Message-ID: <3B82DAFD.EAE305C3@intel.com>e  C Apologies to those in the Fortran group: this is very VMS specific.e   Peter Weaver wrote:   & > Followup is set to comp.lang.fortran > N > One of the programers here is trying to convert a time to UTC and display itD > as UTC. He has been having no luck so far, so I am trying to help. >n8 > I modified this example from DSN to change the logicalG > 'SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL' in the process table while the program iseL > running since I thought that should do it. But the results both before the( > logical change and after are the same.   Two points:d  D 1) The C program from DSNlink "fails" in the same way as the FortranD conversion you've posted: it displays only the local time.  However,: there are two bugs in the (C) program: (a) the declaration  #      unsigned short time_array[12];   	 should bel  #      unsigned short time_array[13];   H and (b) the TDF returned is really a _signed_ short, so that declaration should actually be,o        short time_array[13];  I When I make those modifications to the C program, $ASCUTC (still) returnseG the local time, but $NUMUTC shows that time_array[12], the TDF, is -420nA minutes (correct for us).  Also, the description of $ASCUTC says,     B      "The $ASCUTC service _uses_ the time zone differential factorA       _encoded_ in the 128-bit UTC to convert the UTC to an ASCIIr       string."  D (emphasis mine).  Therefore, $ASCUTC shows you local time, by designB apparently...  And apparently, a given 128-bit UTC datum _has_ theE TDF it was created with encoded in it.  Looks like you'd need to findSG a way to zero the TDF field in the 128-bit time in order to get a "GMT" 
 type time.  G 2) Defining a process logical name will not have the affect you expect.n7 Even though the logical name is defined, the C run-time K library and components linked against it do NOT use the logical name.  They 3 use either the data file left in SYS$SYSTEM:, e.g.,.L DTSS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL.DAT or UTC$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL.DAT, or the cellK in memory whose name escapes me at the moment, something along the lines ofnJ EXE$TDF.  In any case, the logical name is not translated to give a resultL as can be demonstrated by changing the system lnm and rerunning the program.      -Ken  --6 I don't speak for Intel, Intel doesn't speak for me...   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 13:39:14 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)G Subject: Re: DECdoc.3 Message-ID: <IdENb4wTm8yG@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  g In article <3B82A7EE.7D2014EF@home.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com> writes:j > FYI.: > I'v got a deal with "Touch Technologies" to buy a single< > user licens of DECdocument for "Hobbyist use" for 199 USD., > (Standard single user license is 560 USD.)  = I don't know anything about the economics of the deal, but itn is an excellent product.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:26:54 +0200w< From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com> Subject: DECdoc.( Message-ID: <3B82A7EE.7D2014EF@home.com>   FYI.8 I'v got a deal with "Touch Technologies" to buy a single: user licens of DECdocument for "Hobbyist use" for 199 USD.* (Standard single user license is 560 USD.)  / Not exactly "free", but I did buy one anyway...l  1 Anyone interested could contact "info@ttinet.com"s   Regardsv Jan-Erik Sderholm.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:22:21 GMTI= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s Subject: Re: DECdoc.0 Message-ID: <00A00DDD.898788BA@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <3B82A7EE.7D2014EF@home.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com> writes:a >FYI.t9 >I'v got a deal with "Touch Technologies" to buy a singlel; >user licens of DECdocument for "Hobbyist use" for 199 USD.s+ >(Standard single user license is 560 USD.)s  6 What exactly are the restrictions being place upon its/ use as a "hobbyist licensed" version od DECdoc?s   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             1J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes0   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:30:41 GMTs3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>I Subject: Re: DECdoc./ Message-ID: <3B82B51E.E3A93C46@cableinet.co.uk>r   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:w >  > FYI.: > I'v got a deal with "Touch Technologies" to buy a single< > user licens of DECdocument for "Hobbyist use" for 199 USD., > (Standard single user license is 560 USD.) > 1 > Not exactly "free", but I did buy one anyway...i > 3 > Anyone interested could contact "info@ttinet.com"o > 	 > Regardse > Jan-Erik Sderholm.e    & Do the same people now have Dec Write?   regardst --   Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:57:24 +0200t< From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com> Subject: Re: DECdoc.( Message-ID: <3B82BD24.8C574F55@home.com>  7 I didn't realy get anything in clear writing from Touchy7 on this matter. But, personaly, I'll handle it like thec8 hobbyist licens for VMS. Run it at home on my free time.6 And *if* I'd learn something from it that I can use at
 work, well...   ; Anyway, I did get an OK from Touch to publish here on c.o.vd9 that I *did* get the offer, so I suppose anyone could asku them directly.   Jan-Erik Sderholm.s    & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:8 > What exactly are the restrictions being place upon its1 > use as a "hobbyist licensed" version od DECdoc?  >s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:02:10 +0200a< From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@home.com> Subject: Re: DECdoc.( Message-ID: <3B82BE42.9C276BCE@home.com>  < Don't know about DECwrite, but DECdecision and DECquery (the5 Windows tool with *native* support for Rdb) is there.n   Jan-Erik Sderholm.a     Tim Llewellyn wrote:( > Do the same people now have Dec Write?   ------------------------------   Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 23:49:52  From: <client2@371.net>c. Subject: Free Research Report luyfuofgkufguotf% Message-ID: <52.792245.85151@371.net>t  2                                 Key Strategies    3                                 August 18, 2001    o*                                 Issue 814 
 Expect News!      ETCH - ELITE TECHNOLOGIES, Inc.    RATING:    STRONG BUY  SYMBOL:    OTCBB: ETCH e! Shares Outstanding    53,000,000 h  Float (estimated)    12,000,000  3 - 6 month Target    0.25 a 12 -18 month Target    1.00          It appears that Wall Street is convinced the technology sector is likely to improve in the second half of the year, which should bring back the Bull Market.  Our current recommendation, Elite Technologies, Inc. (OTCBB: ETCH), is a technology company positioned to re-test its past 18 month $3.00 trading range.  This is the right time to take advantage of the Company's current trading prices. ETCH is a company with real revenues, state of the art products, and a worldwide distribution network. ETCH is a f}ull service technology company that is primarily focused on the hardware distribution and communications sector of the technology industry. ETCH, through its acquisition strategy of medium sized companies, each with its own specific synergistic qualities, will provide a wide variety of products and services, creating efficiency and profits via a world wide distribution network. p   Products offered by ETCH ( ETCH offers over 600 products and components through its subsidiary companies. Two products ETCH offers that are very appealing to our staff are the Internet Kiosks and Business Centers. e%These products allow the user to browse the Internet, retrieve e-mail, send and receive faxes, make copies, word process and perform other Internet-based activities on a pay by the minute system. Both products are provided to hotels, airports, and other high traffic travel related locations. 7  { The proprietary kiosks and business centers were developed by AMG Ltd. and are marketed by IET, both subsidiaries of ETCH.     The kiosk is developed for domestic and international business, allowing the user to have secured Internet browsing, free telephone calls, web portals for booking travel arrangements as well as business-to-business portals for facilitating international trade, providing the procurement of goods from foreign markets.  ETCH created vertical versions of the kiosk for hotels, airports, and other high traffic travel related locations that specialize as business centers allowing faxing, copying, scanning, video c onferencing, word processing and other useful tasks while eliminating the need for staffing. ETCH has recently announced it eliminated more than 2 million dollars of debt from its balance sheets.    Investment Opportunity xETCH is currently in negotiations with companies in the United States, Venezuela, Brazil and Mexico for exclusive distribution agreements for its products. ETCH has already signed distribution agreements with companies throughout the Southeast, the Caribbean and South America.  ETCH intends to expand its world wide distribution network for its products by the end of 2002. ETCH recently acquired ICON Computer Parts in Puerto Rico, an $8 million per year revenue Company, to handle its South America/Caribbean distribution. l  oReasons to Own Stock ETCH expects to do $50 million this year, $100 million next and reach more than $250 million in revenues by fiscal year end 2003. With a conservative 10 times earnings, far below industry standards, the stock will easily see $2.00/share over the next few months. The stock has $3.00 support levels within the past 18 months. Don't miss this one. h  % For Removal, Email: internal@371.net M* For Subscriptions, Email: client2@371.net   F Key Strategies is an independent research firm with paid subscribers.  Subscriptions are $89/year for Key Strategies newsletter service. This report is based on Key Strategies' independent analysis but also relies on information supplied by sources believed to be reliable. This report may or may not be the opinion of ETCH management. Key Strategies has been retained to reprint and distribute this report on ETCH and has been paid $10,000 by a third party investor of ETCH. Key Strategies and its officers and directors may from time to time buy or sell ETCH common shares in the op pen market without notice. Ongoing technical analysis may from time to time cause the target price to fluctuate without notice. The information contained in this report is not intended to be, and shall not constitute, an offer to sell or solicitation of any offer to buy any security. It is intended for information only. Consult with your financial advisor about ETCH.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 02:14:11 GMTe From: Robin <rlb@austin.rr.com>  Subject: Help with DCL- Message-ID: <3B831576.3EA86939@austin.rr.com>   C I can see what this code is doing but I'm not sure how.  Can anyone + explain or point me in the right direction?o   $ CSI[0,7] = 27f $ CSI[8,7] = 91  $ CRLF[0,7] = 13 $ CRLF[8,7] = 10 $ ESCAPE[0,7] = 27 $ CLRSCREEN = CSI + "2J" $ HOME = CSI + "1;1H"w $ DOUBLE = ESCAPE + "#6" $ HIGH = ESCAPE + "#3" $ BLINK = CSI + "5m" $ UNDER = CSI + "4m" $ BOLD = CSI + "7m"l $ COLOR = CSI + "1m" $ NORMAL = CSI + "0m"e $ WSO = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT" $ GR_SO[0,7] = 14  $ GR_SI[0,7] = 15  $ GR_ON[0,7] = 14e $ GR_OF[0,7] = 15e $ GR_X = GR_ON + "x" + GR_OF/ $ GR_XS = GR_ON + "x''BOLD'  ''NORMAL'" + GR_OFn $ GR_S = "''BOLD'  ''NORMAL'". $ GR_SS2 = ESCAPE + "N". $ GR_SS3 = ESCAPE + "O"C $ GR_SS4 = ESCAPE + ")0" $n $d $!*********t $ MENU:9 $!*********n $x, $ WSO "''COLOR'  ''NORMAL'" + GR_SO + GR_SS4 $ WSO CLRSCREEN, HOMEt	 $ WSO " "n	 $ WSO " "o $ WSO "                   ", -A       "''gr_so'lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk''gr_si'"t $ WSO "                   ", -D       "''gr_x' ''BOLD'          Automated Issuance         ''NORMAL' ''gr_x'" $ WSO "                   ", -A       "''gr_so'tqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqu''gr_si'"B $ WSO "                   ", -=       "''gr_x'      1.  Item 1                       ''gr_x'"b $ WSO "                   ", -=       "''gr_x'      2.  Item 2                       ''gr_x'"@ $ WSO "                   ", -=       "''gr_x'      3.  Item 3                       ''gr_x'"  $ WSO "                   ", -=       "''gr_x'     99.  EXIT                         ''gr_x'"a $ WSO "                   ", -A       "''gr_so'tqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqu''gr_si'"v $ WSO "                   ", -D       "''gr_x' ''BOLD'     Enter number and press <CR>     ''NORMAL' ''gr_x'" $ WSO "                   ", -A       "''gr_so'msssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssj''gr_si'"n $  $e4 $ INQUIRE CHOICE "                           Choice"     Thanks,t Robinu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:51:57 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Help with DCL' Message-ID: <3B831E4D.43349836@fsi.net>:   Robin wrote: > E > I can see what this code is doing but I'm not sure how.  Can anyoneo- > explain or point me in the right direction?8 >  > $ CSI[0,7] = 27p > $ CSI[8,7] = 91  > $ CRLF[0,7] = 13 > $ CRLF[8,7] = 10 > $ ESCAPE[0,7] = 27  G Setting control characters into specific bits in a string; however, theeB bit length of 7 is incorrect - a byte is eight(8) bits, not seven.   > $ CLRSCREEN = CSI + "2J" > $ HOME = CSI + "1;1H"o > $ DOUBLE = ESCAPE + "#6" > $ HIGH = ESCAPE + "#3" > $ BLINK = CSI + "5m" > $ UNDER = CSI + "4m" > $ BOLD = CSI + "7m"t > $ COLOR = CSI + "1m" > $ NORMAL = CSI + "0m"e  ; String concatenations to build escape sequences in strings.a   > $ WSO = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"   A short-cut.   > $ GR_SO[0,7] = 14r > $ GR_SI[0,7] = 15  > $ GR_ON[0,7] = 14m > $ GR_OF[0,7] = 15t  H More control character assignments. Apparently, for drawing lines on the3 screen using the terminal's graphics character set.-   > $ GR_X = GR_ON + "x" + GR_OF1 > $ GR_XS = GR_ON + "x''BOLD'  ''NORMAL'" + GR_OFa > $ GR_S = "''BOLD'  ''NORMAL'"n > $ GR_SS2 = ESCAPE + "N"i > $ GR_SS3 = ESCAPE + "O"X > $ GR_SS4 = ESCAPE + ")0"   More concatenations.   > $3 > $2
 > $!*********u	 > $ MENU:e
 > $!*********t > $a. > $ WSO "''COLOR'  ''NORMAL'" + GR_SO + GR_SS4 > $ WSO CLRSCREEN, HOMEa > $ WSO " "a > $ WSO " "   > $ WSO "                   ", -C >       "''gr_so'lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk''gr_si'"i  > $ WSO "                   ", -F >       "''gr_x' ''BOLD'          Automated Issuance         ''NORMAL'
 > ''gr_x'"  > $ WSO "                   ", -C >       "''gr_so'tqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqu''gr_si'"e  > $ WSO "                   ", -? >       "''gr_x'      1.  Item 1                       ''gr_x'"a  > $ WSO "                   ", -? >       "''gr_x'      2.  Item 2                       ''gr_x'"e  > $ WSO "                   ", -? >       "''gr_x'      3.  Item 3                       ''gr_x'"T  > $ WSO "                   ", -? >       "''gr_x'     99.  EXIT                         ''gr_x'"e  > $ WSO "                   ", -C >       "''gr_so'tqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqu''gr_si'"E  > $ WSO "                   ", -F >       "''gr_x' ''BOLD'     Enter number and press <CR>     ''NORMAL'
 > ''gr_x'"  > $ WSO "                   ", -C >       "''gr_so'msssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssj''gr_si'"h > $s > $   F Display a menu using the escape sequence and control character strings assigned above.   6 > $ INQUIRE CHOICE "                           Choice"  E Prompt the user for input, returning the response in the symbol named-E CHOICE. The prompt string is space-padded, presumably to center it on-@ the screen, or offset it from the left margin at the very least.   Dunno if this helps...   -- - David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:48:02 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u Subject: Re: Help with DCL, Message-ID: <3B832B67.38286E8C@videotron.ca>   Robin wrote: > $ CSI[0,7] = 27f > $ CSI[8,7] = 91e > $ CRLF[0,7] = 13 > $ CRLF[8,7] = 10 > $ ESCAPE[0,7] = 27 > $ CLRSCREEN = CSI + "2J"   > $ WSO = "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"  > $ WSO "                   ", -C >       "''gr_so'lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk''gr_si'"e  > $ WSO "                   ", -F >       "''gr_x' ''BOLD'          Automated Issuance         ''NORMAL'     symbol[offset,size] = valuee  M The first line sets the first 7 bits of the string to the value 27.  (escape)aN The second line sets the 7 bits of the second byte to the character 91 ( "[" )  K So after those two lines, the CSI symbol contains 2 bytes, the first one isg escape, the second one is "[".  # In reality, you would want to have:r
 CSI[0,8] = 27 X CSI[8,8] = 91   sicn this would ensure that the eight' bit of each byte is set properly.  K The first WSO command sends the gr_so sequence followed by characters and arJ gr_si sequence. From the characters sent and context of the code you sent,H those are line drawing characters. So the line puts the terminal in lineT graphics mode, sends the lqqq etc to draw the line, and then ends line drawing mode.     On VMS   $HELP SYMBOL  STRING *  M (or HELP SYMBOL , read, then select String, read and then select all options)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:10:09 -0500a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>t Subject: Re: I hate Compaq' Message-ID: <3B830671.601603B9@fsi.net>    Jacques Garnier wrote: > 2 > Compaq is not Digital. Compaq is doing business.N > They'll do what the customer want and nothing else, keeping in mind that the > goal is to make profit.t  H Since Compaq's latest moves effectively thwart profitability, and appearF to run counter to customer demands (except for some dark-hooded entityG who seems to be pulling the strings), the veracity of that statement ise open to serious debate, IMO.   -- t David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 13:48:49 -0700* From: vmendham@altavista.com (Vic Mendham)0 Subject: Is there a why to set verify in sysgen?< Message-ID: <8b51ed8.0108211248.10fd0ebe@posting.google.com>  T Is there a why to set sysgen to verify so I can see what is happening during a boot?   Regards,   victor.mendham@emergis.com   ------------------------------   Date: 21 AUG 2001 21:18:35 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>w4 Subject: Re: Is there a why to set verify in sysgen?2 Message-ID: <21AUG01.21183521@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  B In a previous article, vmendham@altavista.com (Vic Mendham) wrote:G > Is there a why to set sysgen to verify so I can see what is happening- > during a boot?  	 Check oute    $ MC SYSMAN!  SYSMAN> HELP STARTUP SET OPTIONS=   My system are set as follows:e  I  $ MC SYSMAN STARTUP SET OPTIONS/VERIFY=PARTIAL/OUTPUT=FILE/CHECKPOINTING.  6 (Actually, I have the following line in MODPARAMS.DAT:     STARTUP_P2 = "DCP"  & so AUTOGEN doesn't erase my settings.)  G This creates SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.LOG.  Beware of SET NOVERIFY in startup  files.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVSH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:04:34 GMTs2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)4 Subject: Re: Is there a why to set verify in sysgen?2 Message-ID: <C1Ag7.489$bB1.29497@news.cpqcorp.net>  i In article <8b51ed8.0108211248.10fd0ebe@posting.google.com>, vmendham@altavista.com (Vic Mendham) writes:EG :Is there a why to set sysgen to verify so I can see what is happening e :during a boot?   M http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/73final/6017/6017pro_010.html#booting_verife    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:12:06 GMTt1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>14 Subject: Re: Is there a why to set verify in sysgen?2 Message-ID: <3B82CF4A.2AF43579@clarityconnect.com>  E STARTUP_P2 is the paramater and depending on exactly what you want to A see will determine exactly how to set it.  Try "TRUE" as a start.o   Vic Mendham wrote: > V > Is there a why to set sysgen to verify so I can see what is happening during a boot? > 
 > Regards, >  > victor.mendham@emergis.com   -- wD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 07:02:30 +0200e, From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch>4 Subject: Re: Is there a why to set verify in sysgen?& Message-ID: <3B833CE7.D7ED5B57@gmx.ch>   Vic Mendham asked: > V > Is there a why to set sysgen to verify so I can see what is happening during a boot?   Result of the competition:   1st: Hoff Hoffman (as usual :-)t 2nd: Mark D. Jilson at 8'  3rd: Dave Greenwood at 14'  G Btw, I wonder why the OUTPUT=FILE is not the default value. Each time IoB arrive on a new site, people are complaining about "normal" errorsD during boot (I hate this expression) but noone ever thinks about the sys$system:startup.log feature.t   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:16:05 GMTu' From: bad bob <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net>-( Subject: Re: More Alpha rubbish in print0 Message-ID: <3B82E17A.5479AC74@bellatlantic.net>   "Paul S. Brown" wrote: > N > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:40:22 GMT, Richard Tomkins <tomkinsr@home.com> wrote: > >sM > >Lack of Software support? HUH? OpenVMS, Windows NT, Tru64 UNIX, LINUX, and O > >all the applications and layered products that go along with them. Give me a  > H > What was missing here were the commonly used apps from the rest of theK > industry and industry acceptance. I will grant that Linux has a wealth of M > apps, but it is only now beginning to get wide commercial acceptance. Tru641N > is a somewhat marginalised commercial UNIX inasmuch as where it is supported= > support comes after Solaris/HPUX/AIX in roughly that order.  > J > Windows NT is all well and good, but there were never any real number of! > Alpha native apps to run on it.a > K > >break, who is this James Middleton joker. Tell me, does OpenVMS or Tru64tE > >UNIX run on Intel? Can you do real clustering on Intel, in a mixedrN > >architecture yet, ie; with VAX computers. Can you share storage and backup? > M > OpenVMS and Tru64 don't run on Intel *yet* - they will sometime in the nextaH > couple of years and this is what Compaq seems to be betting on. As forJ > clustering the answer is "hell yes". Ever heard of Sequent who have been% > doing this sort of thing for years?r    H Somehow you guys keep missing the Charon Vax. It runs on Intel.  It runs1 VMS.  It runs on Intel. Thus VMS runs on Intel.  n     >  > Intel x86 != PCt > M > >Unsuccessful marketing? Maybe? I don't buy into this, although many DigitsaH > >will. I figure we sold them the wrong way. We also signed some prettyM > >dickhead stupid deals with our enemies such as Microsoft and Intel just to  > >keep them happy.w > L > Selling something the wrong way is quite a good definition of unsuccessful > or at least poor marketing.e > K > >We should have been like Apple and dropped all the other Intel stuff and N > >just competed head on with OpenVMS and X-Windows. That's what all the Linux > >weenies want anyhow.n > $ > Linux users want OpenVMS???? Huh?? > O > >Currently only 800,000 of the doomed box left in circulation? HUH? How couldpH > >anyone know how many are in use and where. Every day there are people > I > Can we assume that the figures are closer to 800,000 under manufacturerd
 > support? > N > >wanting to run Windows NT on Alpha in this newsgroup. On top of that, thereL > >are oodles and oodles of DECstations and VAX out there still hummin away.M > >Nobodies gonna toss a running Alpha with OpenVMS out the door, that's justa4 > >dumb finance, no matter which way you look at it. > N > I can think of good reasons to do so, mainly power consumption - what in theK > current lineup has equivalent processing power in terms of raw throughput K > to and 8400? Now tell me the power consumption figures for the new versus 
 > the old. >  > Paul >  > --! > Being a geek is a state of mindo. > Being paid to be a geek is a state of utopia >         - pol@geekstuff.co.uku   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 04:44:10 GMTh- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)r( Subject: Re: More Alpha rubbish in print0 Message-ID: <3b833829.29911760@news.process.com>  J On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:16:05 GMT, bad bob <sfmc68@bellatlantic.net> wrote: >iI >Somehow you guys keep missing the Charon Vax. It runs on Intel.  It runsd2 >VMS.  It runs on Intel. Thus VMS runs on Intel.   > D And everything you expect from a VAX running VMS is there, includingD full networking (both DECnet and TCP/IP), and, most amazingly to me,C the ability to cluster your VMS CHARON-VAX with other VAX and AlphalA systems running VMS.  While the Hobbyist version does not include$C networking, the full-blown version does, and it works like a charm.a   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/a9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:42:03 -0400o6 From: "Dr Hackenbush" <hugo.z.hackenbush@sympatico.ca>Y Subject: Re: OutOfMemoryError when running the dom-xml-parser with larger xml-files (2.3Ma; Message-ID: <0Yxg7.33018$wZ3.2027449@news20.bellglobal.com>f  E And the memory requirements are described in the introductory remarksiB for most of the material I have read about Java's parsers for XML.  ? "Mats Bjornlund" <mats.bjornlund@capgemini.se> wrote in messageo7 news:7aec40b2.0108210843.537d77d9@posting.google.com...eF > I got a solution on this problem. To solve it, I started the program > with:i >pG > Java &#8221;-Xms100000000&#8221; &#8221;-Xmx120000000&#8221; &#8211;vf( > &#8221;Dparser&#8221; myBigXMLfile.xml >e3 > Then it took 3 minutes to parse a 2.4MB xml-file.c >aE > We have files above 20MB, so we actually need a faster parser. Thenh- > probably will using the SAX-parser instead.e >t > /Matsn   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:13:20 GMTo2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Y Subject: Re: Prerequisite Products and IPF Porting (was: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded)-2 Message-ID: <kpyg7.470$bB1.29532@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <6e74ot0c7mpsrcpgm448acrpor11pv37op@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:  @ :I tried to be positive about it but when the vendors of our keyB :applications are still saying "No decision on ports yet" (Oracle 1 :and CA) how the hell can I have any confidence? 7  8   We heard you the first time.  Really.  (No offense.)    ?   We know you and other customers need these products.  Really.   I   We have recently started on a multi-year effort, with engineering from S   Compaq and from ISVs.  "  L   When additional (general) information on the availability of ISV packages K   is made available, it will be distributed.  In particular, I expect that OG   Mark Gorham will comment on application availability at the CETS2001 SJ   event -- I know I have some material on the underlying technical topics    included in my presentations.*  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:24:30 -0400q2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)Y Subject: Re: Prerequisite Products and IPF Porting (was: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded) L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2108012324310001@user-2ivealm.dialup.mindspring.com>  5 In article <3B82C137.4598DE56@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    > Hoff Hoffman wrote: : > >   We heard you the first time.  Really.  (No offense.) > L > Mr Hoffman, is Compaq management aware that by pre-announcing the death ofJ > Alpha before having any details of the future of VMS on IA64 and key ISVI > corrdination of announcements, that it really hurt its credibility with H > regards to its attempts at re-assuring customers that VMS isn't dead ? > L > In other words, did Compaq make the Alpha murder announcement knowing fullM > well that it shouldn't be made before having much more concrete informationtK > about how VMS will fit in that new puzzle ? Or was Compaq clueless on theDM > impact of making such an announcement before having done a lot more work toh > prepare the terrain ?     - I propose a new, official, usenet acronym....m   WHYTFT  M Another new feature that can spread from VMS-land to the rest of the world...      FWIW IMHO YMMV   :-)E   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:15:05 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> Y Subject: Re: Prerequisite Products and IPF Porting (was: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded) , Message-ID: <3B82C137.4598DE56@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote: 8 >   We heard you the first time.  Really.  (No offense.)  J Mr Hoffman, is Compaq management aware that by pre-announcing the death ofH Alpha before having any details of the future of VMS on IA64 and key ISVG corrdination of announcements, that it really hurt its credibility withnF regards to its attempts at re-assuring customers that VMS isn't dead ?  J In other words, did Compaq make the Alpha murder announcement knowing fullK well that it shouldn't be made before having much more concrete information=I about how VMS will fit in that new puzzle ? Or was Compaq clueless on theoK impact of making such an announcement before having done a lot more work to  prepare the terrain ?    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 13:19:54 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) J Subject: Re: Prerequisite Products? (was: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded), Message-ID: <Pe5iK5CG$X1F@malvm5.mala.bc.ca>  3 In article <etyg7.471$bB1.29654@news.cpqcorp.net>, r7    hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:t  b > In article <d7b4ot4ogf800d1v0ggp34a2om637l0s3v@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:D > :But currently my two major vendors CA and Oracle say "No decisionH > :yet!". Ask Oracle the same question about Tru64 and they say "we willD > :support it".  Without Oracle and CA products we cannot use VMS.   > P >   Yes, that there are product prerequsites to a successful port is well known.M >   OpenVMS is presently identifying a variety of products that are required ,O >   for the port of OpenVMS itself, and identifying the products that customers M >   require.  We are well aware of the customers that are using Oracle and CACM >   products, and that would require these and other products in the OpenVMS o >   IPF environment. > H     I don't think anyone is criticizing the OpenVMS folks for a lack of J information on the availability of these products ( at least I hope not ).  J     I'll admit I'm also a bit disturbed that Oracle hasn't made any publicK announcements about VMS ports yet, given they jumped on the Tru64 bandwagon,J on day 1. While there may be good technical reasons they haven't committedJ yet it's pretty poor optics for them to unconditionally support one OS andM stay mum on the other. If one assumes the folks managing VMS at Oracle aren'tgF stupid this leaves one wondering if there's a sinister purpose to this silence.  J     Hopefully this will all get cleared up at CETS and someone who's thereJ will post the information for the rest of us (just because we can't afford3 to go doesn't mean we don't need the information ).e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:17:30 GMTR2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)J Subject: Re: Prerequisite Products? (was: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded)2 Message-ID: <etyg7.471$bB1.29654@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <d7b4ot4ogf800d1v0ggp34a2om637l0s3v@4ax.com>, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> writes:B :But currently my two major vendors CA and Oracle say "No decisionF :yet!". Ask Oracle the same question about Tru64 and they say "we willB :support it".  Without Oracle and CA products we cannot use VMS.    N   Yes, that there are product prerequsites to a successful port is well known.K   OpenVMS is presently identifying a variety of products that are required iM   for the port of OpenVMS itself, and identifying the products that customersSK   require.  We are well aware of the customers that are using Oracle and CAnK   products, and that would require these and other products in the OpenVMS e   IPF environment.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 20:06:30 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n Subject: Re: Take it elsewhere3 Message-ID: <D52dOZfpyFhU@eisner.encompasserve.org>.  [ In article <3B82F22A.3FA6D811@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:m > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> l^ >> In article <3B81D761.ED27FDF4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >> > Larry Kilgallen wrote:i >> >> Z >> >> In article <3B8105FB.F23DC0DD@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: >> >> > Nic Clews wrote: >> >>iM >> >> > Whilst I followed poor nettiquete with this, why not ask for your owneL >> >> > newsgroup to be set up? I would suggest alt.vms-is-dead (can someoneK >> >> > post instructions of where to propose this, I used to know but I've  >> >> > forgotten).h >> >>t* >> >> Yes, an _excellent_ suggestion, Nic. >> >K >> > Netscape has a very useful feature. In V4.x Communicator, you can Mark 2 >> > an Entire Thread as Read with a single click. >> iB >> Unfortunately, David, you keep bringing up the same old song inA >> _multiple_ threads.  And killfiling the author doesn't work asv? >> some people feel honor bound to respond when you keep saying-& >> the same thing over and over again. > D > Well, given that remaining silent is not an option, what would you
 > suggest?  E That was previously explained in the title of the thread and in Nic'sbC comments included in what you quoted.  If you cannot understand the=D simple phrase "Take it elsewhere" you certainly don't seem likely to convince Compaq of anything.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:58:08 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>e Subject: Re: Take it elsewhere& Message-ID: <3B8311B0.8ED27AB@fsi.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3B82F22A.3FA6D811@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:L > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >>` > >> In article <3B81D761.ED27FDF4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > >> > Larry Kilgallen wrote:  > >> >>f\ > >> >> In article <3B8105FB.F23DC0DD@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes: > >> >> > Nic Clews wrote: > >> >>dO > >> >> > Whilst I followed poor nettiquete with this, why not ask for your ownrN > >> >> > newsgroup to be set up? I would suggest alt.vms-is-dead (can someoneM > >> >> > post instructions of where to propose this, I used to know but I've0 > >> >> > forgotten).  > >> >>-, > >> >> Yes, an _excellent_ suggestion, Nic. > >> >M > >> > Netscape has a very useful feature. In V4.x Communicator, you can Markm4 > >> > an Entire Thread as Read with a single click. > >>D > >> Unfortunately, David, you keep bringing up the same old song inC > >> _multiple_ threads.  And killfiling the author doesn't work as-A > >> some people feel honor bound to respond when you keep sayingl( > >> the same thing over and over again. > >IF > > Well, given that remaining silent is not an option, what would you > > suggest? > G > That was previously explained in the title of the thread and in Nic's E > comments included in what you quoted.  If you cannot understand the F > simple phrase "Take it elsewhere" you certainly don't seem likely to > convince Compaq of anything.  9 Exactly where should VMS-related discussions be moved to?-   -- l David J. Dachteram dba DJE SystemsR http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:43:38 -0500-1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>1A Subject: Re: Take it elsewhere (was: The Final Knell Has Sounded)j' Message-ID: <3B82F22A.3FA6D811@fsi.net>s   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3B81D761.ED27FDF4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >>Y > >> In article <3B8105FB.F23DC0DD@127.0.0.1>, Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> writes:8 > >> > Nic Clews wrote:t > >>L > >> > Whilst I followed poor nettiquete with this, why not ask for your ownK > >> > newsgroup to be set up? I would suggest alt.vms-is-dead (can someone J > >> > post instructions of where to propose this, I used to know but I've > >> > forgotten). > >>) > >> Yes, an _excellent_ suggestion, Nic.2 > > J > > Netscape has a very useful feature. In V4.x Communicator, you can Mark1 > > an Entire Thread as Read with a single click.4 > A > Unfortunately, David, you keep bringing up the same old song ing@ > _multiple_ threads.  And killfiling the author doesn't work as> > some people feel honor bound to respond when you keep saying% > the same thing over and over again.i  B Well, given that remaining silent is not an option, what would you suggest?   -- r David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:42:55 -0500a1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>w Subject: Re: TAR files in VMS ' Message-ID: <3B830E1F.C44B41CA@fsi.net>h   Dominic Olivastro wrote: > N > I sometimes get a tar file from a data supplier, and I use VMSTAR to extractN > a VMS file.  Now I have a client that wants a copy of the original file, andM > they need it as a TAR file.  Of course I can again use VMSTAR to create the N > copy, but it occurs to me that I am using VMSTAR twice, once to create a VMS3 > file, and then once again to create the TAR file.* > J > Is there a utility that will just copy one TAR tape to another TAR tape,N > without creating the intermediate VS file?  Of course, I need a VMS utility.  H Sure. If you're actually exchanging tapes, MOUNT the tape drive /FOREIGNG and specify the appropriate /BLOCKSIZE if it's not 512. Then, just COPYM the tar archive to the tape:  
 Copy to disk:n  $ MOUNT/FOREIGN MKA0:/BLOCK=1024 $ COPY MKA0: archive.TAR $ DISMOUNT MKA0:  
 Copy to tape:o  $ MOUNT/FOREIGN MKA0:/BLOCK=1024 $ COPY archive.TAR MKA0: $ DISMOUNT MKA0:  E ...assuming your tape drive is MKA0: and the tar archive blocksize is F 1024 (usually the default for tar - double check this, or experiment).   --   David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:21:21 -0700'' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>h- Subject: Re: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64 + Message-ID: <3B82A6A0.C6DC4A2F@caltech.edu>o   Tim Llewellyn wrote:  N > > The way the big city works is that they pay us the big bucks to be able toO > > deal with whatever comes our way.  This is exactly what many good engineersu2 > > thrive on.  A challenge, and interesting work. >l& > Sure, as long as you have customers.  > In the twisted world of Q management, it's probably closer to:  /   as long as you are allowed to have customers.A   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:41:30 -0500o1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded' Message-ID: <3B82F1AA.5E3EBCD2@fsi.net>    Bill Todd wrote: > < > "Alan E. Feldman" <afeldman@gfigroup.com> wrote in message9 > news:af1e4ce6.0108200449.582e380d@posting.google.com...n >  > ...  > - > > Similarly, I'd write to Compaq explaining  > > what VMS can do for them.- > >-J > > I find that I get much better responses from companies when I complainJ > > to them in a civil manner. I usually get something material in return,> > > like coupons for their product, or free replacement parts. > K > Been there, did that.  An international group of over a dozen of us spent F > months creating just such a presentation in H1 2000, presented it toN > Capellas, got bounced to Marcello, had a meeting with him and his staff, got> > encouraging words about VMS's future and some nice VMS pens. > N > After enough tries with the carrot, you either give up or get out the stick.  D The members of the "international group" have had their separate andH collective differences with me, this much is true. Still, we seem to all  be united around a common cause.  D If the other members still lurk on this group, I'd like to take thisE opportunity to invite everyone to join together once again and see if-H there's anything we can do as a group to develop a possible strategy forF stemming the current tide that threatens to destroy VMS before it ever sees the light of IPF.  G I'll volunteer to be keeper of the list temporarily, if desired. E-maileA me privately if there's any interest. How to de-mung the Reply-toi address should be obvious.   -- h David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/8   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:49:34 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded' Message-ID: <3B83019E.AA177BE4@fsi.net>a   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > 8 > "Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr" wrote in message > G > >Does "with binary file compatibility, existing AlphaServers will run K > >seamlessly with Itanium-based Compaq servers" only mean that RMS will be- > >supported on VMS/Itanium? > J > I would take this to mean that mixed clusters of IPF and Alpha will workK > without any changes to the on disk structures or data.  Just like VAX ands
 > ALpha have.s > - > >Or does it mean that the servers will havenA > >on-the-fly Alpha->Intel translation to run binary executables?a >  > Yes. >  > >Does:H > >"Compaq servers" mean that only Compaq hardware will run VMS/Itanium? > >Etc, etc. > >  > G > It means that we are in the business to sell VMS *and* to sell Compaqa
 > Servers.  D Well, that doesn't answer the question, so let me issue a challenge:  @ I want to build IA64 servers capable of running OpenVMS-IPF. How; possible is it going to be to get my hands on the necessaryn specifications?q  @ In other words, will Compaq *ALLOW* OpenVMS to run on non-CompaqH hardware, or will it use Micro$haft-like tactics to render such attemptsA as I have just stated infeasible from a business perspective, notp! cost-effective or not profitable?0   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 20:16:15 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)p( Subject: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded3 Message-ID: <YA74g1Sm8Ges@eisner.encompasserve.org>H  [ In article <3B83019E.AA177BE4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:- > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >>  9 >> "Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr" wrote in messager   >> >DoesI >> >"Compaq servers" mean that only Compaq hardware will run VMS/Itanium?e
 >> >Etc, etc.  >> > >> DH >> It means that we are in the business to sell VMS *and* to sell Compaq >> Servers.1 > F > Well, that doesn't answer the question, so let me issue a challenge: > B > I want to build IA64 servers capable of running OpenVMS-IPF. How= > possible is it going to be to get my hands on the necessarya > specifications?  > B > In other words, will Compaq *ALLOW* OpenVMS to run on non-CompaqJ > hardware, or will it use Micro$haft-like tactics to render such attemptsC > as I have just stated infeasible from a business perspective, nott# > cost-effective or not profitable?w  @ Fred already answered, while you were whining in another thread,@ that on a technical basis they are working to avoid any lock-in. His responsibility ends there.  > You need to ask someone like Gorham, Marcello or Capellas, andB I have not seen them in this newsgroup in months.  I would suggestA asking at the Anaheim DECUS symposium, or if you are not going to @ be there have someone similarly-minded ask the question for you.B (Would such a person please engage David in email to keep him from6 filling the newsgroup with the same one-note litany ?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:24:12 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>j( Subject: Re: The Final Knell Has Sounded& Message-ID: <3B8317CC.1F146BD@fsi.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3B83019E.AA177BE4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:f > > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >>; > >> "Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr" wrote in messageo > 
 > >> >DoesK > >> >"Compaq servers" mean that only Compaq hardware will run VMS/Itanium?, > >> >Etc, etc.u > >> > > >>J > >> It means that we are in the business to sell VMS *and* to sell Compaq
 > >> Servers.h > >rH > > Well, that doesn't answer the question, so let me issue a challenge: > >oD > > I want to build IA64 servers capable of running OpenVMS-IPF. How? > > possible is it going to be to get my hands on the necessaryo > > specifications?c > >aD > > In other words, will Compaq *ALLOW* OpenVMS to run on non-CompaqL > > hardware, or will it use Micro$haft-like tactics to render such attemptsE > > as I have just stated infeasible from a business perspective, nots% > > cost-effective or not profitable?  > B > Fred already answered, while you were whining in another thread,B > that on a technical basis they are working to avoid any lock-in.  > His responsibility ends there. > @ > You need to ask someone like Gorham, Marcello or Capellas, andD > I have not seen them in this newsgroup in months.  I would suggestC > asking at the Anaheim DECUS symposium, or if you are not going tonB > be there have someone similarly-minded ask the question for you.D > (Would such a person please engage David in email to keep him from8 > filling the newsgroup with the same one-note litany ?)  F You may have missed postings at another branch in this thread where itF was stated that the weekend bootcamp seminar that Rob Lyons and I were going to do got the axe. e  H So, no - I'm not going - I'm not a rich guy, like you. I have a wife andE family to support. If I don't work I don't get paid. I can't take the H mortgage money and go to CETS-2001 just to confront the "Compaq Listens"H (yeah, right! ...and Micro$oft Works!) panel and get the company line onA IPF-related futures while Alpha languishes unsold and unsaleable.h  F Go ahead and enjoy your comfortable business relationships. I wish you
 much success.   H ...just don't think, Mr. Rich Guy, that you're gonna come here and gripeF because we're exercising our rights to complain and use a public forumH to do it. *THAT* is something *YOU* can take elsewhere! No one has a gun to YOUR head, either!    --   David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:56:48 -0400u2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: The Final Knell Has SoundedL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2108012256490001@user-2ivealm.dialup.mindspring.com>  C In article <d7b4ot4ogf800d1v0ggp34a2om637l0s3v@4ax.com>, Alan Greige <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote:)  F > On 20 Aug 2001 22:04:01 -0500, young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) > wrote: >  > I > >       Fast forward 3 years out.  Your vendor supports both Alpha and yF > >       IPF binaries.  Plug an IPF box into your SAN.  SCS is flying > C > But currently my two major vendors CA and Oracle say "No decisiono	 > yet!". n  J I don't know that this is the reason, but CA has some weird stuff going onE these days.  There's a major proxy battle underway for control of theiJ company.  I've not payed close attention since I don't deal with CA.  In aI nutshell, the head of one of the companies that CA bought a few years agowI has become disgusted with the way CA treats its customers and employees. uG He wanted to oust the whole BOD and the top executives.  I think he has I recently scaled back his plans, to just get 4 or so board seats, and oust-H the executives.  The local fishwrap has been following the war, since CA/ is one of the biggest companies on Long Island.s  J Today the paper reported that a major stockholder switched sides, in favorH of the dissidents.  The stockholder wants Wang GONE, and the current BODF won't even consider the possibility.  So now this block of shares will@ vote against the current management.  The current fiends and theJ dissidents have supposedly been about even in votes, with a large fractionJ of shares "undecided".  It seems that the dissidents may be pulling ahead.  H There's been a lot of mud-slinging around CA in recent weeks.  One storyF that made the paper concerned a woman layed off by CA with no notice. F (That's NOT newsworthy at CA.)  Security folks escorted her out of theC building, and she found her photo on a DO NOT ADMIT poster at everylB entrance.  Alas, her small child was in the day-care center in theI building, and they would not let her in to take the kid home.  She had to I have her hubby leave his job and come fetch the youngster.  CA denied the>, episode of course, but nobody believed them.  F With this sort of nonsense in the papers all the time, I'm pretty sureH CA's top brass is doing nothing but spin management and damage control. J Are decisions about VMS support made at a low enough level that the ruckusF doesn't affect them?  I dunno.  But if you told me CA isn't making ANYF normal business decisions these days, I wouldn't be able to argue with you.  F The shareholder meeting is next week.  The outcome could be a completeG change of control of the company.  Since I've NEVER heard anything goodi< about CA, I can only assume that would be a welcome outcome.  E Are any VMS/CA customers watching this proxy war?  What are the odds?    -- w Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comv   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 16:01:47 -0700# From: paszty@xoma.com (Nick Paszty) ) Subject: UNIX on an AlphaServer 800 5/333e< Message-ID: <14ce1c21.0108211501.7d90fc4@posting.google.com>   hello.  B we are running open vms on an AlphaServer 800 5/333.  what kind of+ UNIX os can be installed onto this machine?t  
 tru64 UNIX Digital UNIX  C does anyone have experience runing this combination?  any insights?.   thanks,<   nick   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:24:35 GMT ) From: BigFish <johnsonronald@hotmail.com>i! Subject: V5.5-2 Password Recoveryi+ Message-ID: <3B82DFA3.D0C41242@hotmail.com>   C Anyone remember how to recover a VMS version 5.5-2 password? If so,u
 please share.    Ron Johnsonb   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:37:52 GMTs) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)t% Subject: Re: V5.5-2 Password Recovery 0 Message-ID: <3b82fddb.16575704@news.wcc.govt.nz>  E On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:24:35 GMT, BigFish <johnsonronald@hotmail.com>i wrote:' Not quite sure what you're asking here.R  D If you mean, can I find out what the password is for a given user isD on a VMS 5.5-2 system then the answer is no, just as it is for other8 versions of VMS. There are no password lookup utilities.  C If you mean can I put the passoword file back to a known good stateeD then you could restore the sysuaf.dat file from a known good backup.% This would lose any new accounts etc.h  D If you mean the System Administrator hs left and nobody knows how toD get into a privileged account, then yes there is a way to access theD System. Details are in the FAQ and involve shutting down the system.    D >Anyone remember how to recover a VMS version 5.5-2 password? If so, >please share. >- >Ron Johnson   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Aug 2001 22:36 PDTi+ From: rankin@eql14.caltech.edu (Pat Rankin)w& Subject: Re: VAX: DEC-C float & double1 Message-ID: <21AUG200122365393@eql14.caltech.edu>   4 In article <Db5zI9d2wYEe@eisner.encompasserve.org>,\#  briggs@encompasserve.org writes...a/ > In article <3B7F6C46.DBB2A94E@videotron.ca>,\80  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: [...] 9 >> can someone explain to me why/how the following works:  >> >> float sky = 25.9r >> double water = 309.72673734/ >> printf(" sky=%f  water=%f \n", sky, water );0  9      It works because of the argument passing conventionsc defined by the C language.  H > The in-memory layout of the first four bytes of a D-Floating double isL > identical to the in-memory layout of the first four bytes of an F-FloatingG > float.  Bytes 5-8 of the D-Floating value are just low order mantissa  > bits.o >nG > If you treat a D as an F, the effect is an implicit truncation of thehF > ignored low order bits.  If you treat an F as a D, the effect is theC > implicit appending of whatever random bits appear next in memory.   ;      That's true, but irrelevant.  The %f specifier is useds; to format doubles, and the value of `sky' which gets passede: to printf will be converted to double by the caller.  As a; matter of fact, it is impossible to pass a single-precisionn< float value to printf.  Arguments for unprototyped functions6 and also arguments for the "..." portion of prototyped; functions which take a varying number of arguments (such aso9 printf) always undergo a set of default type conversions,,< and one of those is to change float into double.  The printf= call above is the same as if you were using an explicit cast:   5   printf(" sky=%f  water=%f \n", (double)sky, water);   < There's nothing VAX-specific or VMS-specific about this, and< it is covered in the comp.lang.c FAQ posting (in particular,; see the question about why it's wrong to use the %lf format  specifier with printf...).  2                 Pat Rankin, rankin@eql.caltech.edu   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:39:02 GMTc From: paul@wren.cc.kux.edu1 Subject: VMS high reliability needed by Air Forceo3 Message-ID: <3b82a8ec.1034641816@news.cc.ukans.edu>t  7 www.informationweek.com/thisweek/story/IWK20010810S0021    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 14:24:07 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)25 Subject: Re: VMS high reliability needed by Air Forcey3 Message-ID: <fvNbpGT9IBRh@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  P In article <3b82a8ec.1034641816@news.cc.ukans.edu>, paul@wren.cc.kux.edu writes:9 > www.informationweek.com/thisweek/story/IWK20010810S0021n   Brief but _nice_.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:18:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i5 Subject: Re: VMS high reliability needed by Air Force/, Message-ID: <3B82C1F4.CE30489F@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > Brief but _nice_.-  L But it says a lot when a single sale makes news, and those news are repeated over and over. h  L But in light of the Alpha murder, consider that this deal was in the works aK long long time ago, having a *NEW* deal signed in light of the alpha murderh would have far more value.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:27:56 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>h> Subject: Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64( Message-ID: <9lucnb$kjk$1@pyrite.mv.net>  J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A00DDD.17F6AFF5@SendSpamHere.ORG...? > In article <3B82860E.F6B34C6F@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellynu' <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:a > >a > >e > >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:c > >: > >>K > >> I personally have seen more mail from people interested in jobs in VMS  in6 > >> the last 4 weeks than I have in the last 2 years. > >mK > >well, you do have some VMS jobs going, Fred, and quite interesting ones. J > >Not much around in my area apart from shoring up systems that are being > >migrated-/ > >off until the migration can be made to work.m >mL > If there are VMS jobs within Compaq, why was I just on the phone late last@ > week with a VMS Ambassador that is now looking for employment?  H This is not meant to be a cheap shot (though it may sound like one), butL perhaps he's looking for *long-term* employment and has some reason to doubt& that the VMS openings will provide it.   - bill   >, > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM >mK >   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fierypK >   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesh >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:09:52 -0400s' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>s> Subject: Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64( Message-ID: <9luf61$nnp$1@pyrite.mv.net>  @ "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message) news:3B82B6B6.F6F7CEE5@cableinet.co.uk...f >  >m > Bill Todd wrote: >hK > > > If there are VMS jobs within Compaq, why was I just on the phone latel lastD > > > week with a VMS Ambassador that is now looking for employment? > > L > > This is not meant to be a cheap shot (though it may sound like one), butJ > > perhaps he's looking for *long-term* employment and has some reason to doubtl* > > that the VMS openings will provide it. > >. >/J > bill, surely you know that there is no such thing as a "job for life" in > ITE > these days, at least not for the technically competant or superior.T  J Indeed.  I was using 'long-term' in its new sense of 'at least a couple of years'.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:20:43 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e> Subject: Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64, Message-ID: <3B82C288.1F663217@videotron.ca>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:N > People look for jobs for a variety of reasons.  You talked to him.  You tellM > us?  The odds are that when my resume is floating around, it's because I've K > found an opportunity to move to a warmer climate (like Florida), and morelI > importantly -- it will be because my *wife* is ready to leave the greatp9 > white north.  Or maybe if I hit PowerBall tommorrow ;-)n    J If you win Powerball, can you do us all a favour and buy VMS from Compaq ?A That would go a long way towards giving VMS a much better future.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:19:11 GMTp= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) : Subject: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru640 Message-ID: <00A00DDD.17F6AFF5@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <3B82860E.F6B34C6F@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:n >s >e >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:i >  >>  L >> I personally have seen more mail from people interested in jobs in VMS in4 >> the last 4 weeks than I have in the last 2 years. >MJ >well, you do have some VMS jobs going, Fred, and quite interesting ones. H >Not much around in my area apart from shoring up systems that are being
 >migrated - >off until the migration can be made to work.e  J If there are VMS jobs within Compaq, why was I just on the phone late last@ week with a VMS Ambassador that is now looking for employment?     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            >J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbeso   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:37:30 GMTs3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> > Subject: Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru64/ Message-ID: <3B82B6B6.F6F7CEE5@cableinet.co.uk>    Bill Todd wrote:  fN > > If there are VMS jobs within Compaq, why was I just on the phone late lastB > > week with a VMS Ambassador that is now looking for employment? > J > This is not meant to be a cheap shot (though it may sound like one), butN > perhaps he's looking for *long-term* employment and has some reason to doubt( > that the VMS openings will provide it. >   aH bill, surely you know that there is no such thing as a "job for life" in ITC these days, at least not for the technically competant or superior.e Maybee? I should not have bee so dismissive of all those fellow physicsh	 graduatesED who went off to become accountants after graduating. Then again, I'd probably( be mad by now if I was an accountant ...   sort of smiley attached.   -- i Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  e  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of -! my employers or service provider.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:44:32 -0400T5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>B> Subject: Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru642 Message-ID: <nSyg7.474$bB1.29609@news.cpqcorp.net>  : Bill Todd wrote in message <9lucnb$kjk$1@pyrite.mv.net>... >nK >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in messagem+ >news:00A00DDD.17F6AFF5@SendSpamHere.ORG...i@ >> In article <3B82860E.F6B34C6F@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn( ><tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes: >> > >> > >> >Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >> > >> >> L >> >> I personally have seen more mail from people interested in jobs in VMS >in 7 >> >> the last 4 weeks than I have in the last 2 years.  >> >L >> >well, you do have some VMS jobs going, Fred, and quite interesting ones.K >> >Not much around in my area apart from shoring up systems that are being  >> >migrated0 >> >off until the migration can be made to work. >>H >> If there are VMS jobs within Compaq, why was I just on the phone late lastA >> week with a VMS Ambassador that is now looking for employment?e >wI >This is not meant to be a cheap shot (though it may sound like one), butaG >perhaps he's looking for *long-term* employment and has some reason to  doubtd' >that the VMS openings will provide it.C >l    L People look for jobs for a variety of reasons.  You talked to him.  You tellK us?  The odds are that when my resume is floating around, it's because I'veeI found an opportunity to move to a warmer climate (like Florida), and moreeG importantly -- it will be because my *wife* is ready to leave the greatu7 white north.  Or maybe if I hit PowerBall tommorrow ;-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:17:06 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o> Subject: Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru640 Message-ID: <00A00DE5.2F6578F7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <nSyg7.474$bB1.29609@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:; >Bill Todd wrote in message <9lucnb$kjk$1@pyrite.mv.net>...g >>L >>"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message, >>news:00A00DDD.17F6AFF5@SendSpamHere.ORG...A >>> In article <3B82860E.F6B34C6F@cableinet.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn') >><tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> writes:m >>> >a >>> >e >>> >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:r >>> >  >>> >>M >>> >> I personally have seen more mail from people interested in jobs in VMSe >>in8 >>> >> the last 4 weeks than I have in the last 2 years. >>> >oM >>> >well, you do have some VMS jobs going, Fred, and quite interesting ones.eL >>> >Not much around in my area apart from shoring up systems that are being
 >>> >migratedu1 >>> >off until the migration can be made to work.. >>>RI >>> If there are VMS jobs within Compaq, why was I just on the phone latee >last-B >>> week with a VMS Ambassador that is now looking for employment? >>J >>This is not meant to be a cheap shot (though it may sound like one), butH >>perhaps he's looking for *long-term* employment and has some reason to >doubt( >>that the VMS openings will provide it. >> >o > M >People look for jobs for a variety of reasons.  You talked to him.  You tellxL >us?  The odds are that when my resume is floating around, it's because I've  I His period of "indentured servitude" within Compaq was shorted by Compaq.n  I As I understood it, I'd have to state that it came as quite a surprise tot him.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             aJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:38:36 -0400 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>r> Subject: Re: VMS jobs??? wes: Terry Shannon Tech Talk on Tru642 Message-ID: <2Fzg7.479$bB1.29594@news.cpqcorp.net>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <3B82C288.1F663217@videotron.ca>...o >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:dJ >> People look for jobs for a variety of reasons.  You talked to him.  You tellI >> us?  The odds are that when my resume is floating around, it's becausel I'veL >> found an opportunity to move to a warmer climate (like Florida), and moreJ >> importantly -- it will be because my *wife* is ready to leave the great: >> white north.  Or maybe if I hit PowerBall tommorrow ;-) >h >'K >If you win Powerball, can you do us all a favour and buy VMS from Compaq ? B >That would go a long way towards giving VMS a much better future.  G Nope.  In the Bill Gates / Paul Allen pairing - I'd be Paul Allen.  I'd # spend my time dabbling and playing.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:26:49 -0400c( From: Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com>$ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....+ Message-ID: <3B82E029.BE2ACB0E@bigfoot.com>m   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3B81D6B9.D30D2B68@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > > Nic Clews wrote: > ' > >> You are NOT doing VMS any favours.u > >n! > > Neither is Compaq. Stalemate.r > ; > Compaq is not filling the newsgroup like Johnny One-Note.   D Yet another salient example of Compaq's lack of marketing acumen.  IH used to think Compaq (mis)management confused PR and advertising until IE realized that both concepts are quite foreign to them, so it would bebE impossible for them to confuse the two.  Compaq must depend on people C who derive their income indirectly and even tangentially from it touD defend their actions.  I noticed that the pro-Compaq posters in thisF newsgroup who yell the loudest are MOSTLY the ones connected to CompaqF in some financially derivative way.  So what happens when you all turnE out to be DEAD wrong? Will you say "Gee, we were all duped by Compaq"eA and go on along with your business?  It is better to be safe thaneF sorry.  How about when the crap finally comes down, you guys pledge toF remove the smoke detectors from your houses too, optimistically citingF that Compaq told you that their "roadmap" doesn't indicate fire duringC the lifetime of you or your kids in your households?  That would beuF stupid wouldn't it?  Well so is spouting what you don't know for sure,@ or believing a company with a bad record for sticking to its ownE commitments.  So if you dudes ever find yourself out of work like Mr.pF Dachtera, et al., remember to just tell you creditors that they shouldA trust you even though you've missed the last two payments on yournE house.  I am fortunate to have seen the light years ago, and over thesF last five years have derived the mainstay of my consulting income from? Unix, even though I still enjoy working with VMS when I get the G opportunity.  And even though from time to time here, the ardent VMSerss; criticize Unix for certain shortcoming they perceive exist,aA notwithstanding a lot of the time they're wrong, I understand and = sympathize with the sentiments, given my experience with VMS.r   HM b   HM   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:40:28 -0500w1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>c$ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....' Message-ID: <3B82FF7C.BF8298A9@fsi.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3B81D6B9.D30D2B68@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:e > > Nic Clews wrote: > ' > >> You are NOT doing VMS any favours.a > >d! > > Neither is Compaq. Stalemate.J > ; > Compaq is not filling the newsgroup like Johnny One-Note.3  G No - they are filling the business news columns with *THEIR* "one-note"- tripe, instead.    -- - David J. Dachtera3 dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:44:32 -0500v1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n$ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....' Message-ID: <3B830070.76209849@fsi.net>    Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3B81D6B9.D30D2B68@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:c > > Nic Clews wrote: > ' > >> You are NOT doing VMS any favours.  > >b! > > Neither is Compaq. Stalemate.d > ; > Compaq is not filling the newsgroup like Johnny One-Note.l  5 Believe me, Larry, I sympathize with your sentiments.u  F On the other hand, you're still making a good living from VMS. Many ofH us are not, and I don't think it's fair for you to rub our noses in that3 with such posts and that "Wailing and Moaning" bit.i  C If we wanted insensitivity, we'd read Compaq/OpenVMS news releases.    -- e David J. Dachterac dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 20:11:31 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....3 Message-ID: <G+KhrAqk2cqb@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  [ In article <3B830070.76209849@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:c > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >> i^ >> In article <3B81D6B9.D30D2B68@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >> > Nic Clews wrote:" >> %( >> >> You are NOT doing VMS any favours. >> >" >> > Neither is Compaq. Stalemate. >> o< >> Compaq is not filling the newsgroup like Johnny One-Note. > 7 > Believe me, Larry, I sympathize with your sentiments.e > H > On the other hand, you're still making a good living from VMS. Many ofJ > us are not, and I don't think it's fair for you to rub our noses in that5 > with such posts and that "Wailing and Moaning" bit.S  @ Ok, I have decided to test one of your prominent assertations --@ that there are no VMS jobs in the Midwest.  Looking at the site:  % 	http://jobsearch.openvms.monster.com-  < pointed to by Compaq's VMS web site and choosing the Chicago< area, I see 8 jobs listed.  Three of them mention VAX or VMS< in the title (so you know thay are not mainly Unix jobs that+ wouldn't mind someone with VMS experience).b   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 20:17:43 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)8$ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....3 Message-ID: <fvoL6ksv36kw@eisner.encompasserve.org>1  [ In article <3B830671.601603B9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:t > Jacques Garnier wrote: >> -3 >> Compaq is not Digital. Compaq is doing business.eO >> They'll do what the customer want and nothing else, keeping in mind that then >> goal is to make profit. > J > Since Compaq's latest moves effectively thwart profitability, and appearH > to run counter to customer demands (except for some dark-hooded entityI > who seems to be pulling the strings), the veracity of that statement is- > open to serious debate, IMO.   Not contrary to my demands.B? Not contrary to demands in any forum I have heard of except fore; comp.os.vms, where you are the major source of the demands.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:06:43 -0500t1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>R$ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....' Message-ID: <3B8313B3.CC9F36A4@fsi.net>e   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3B830070.76209849@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:r > > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > >>` > >> In article <3B81D6B9.D30D2B68@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: > >> > Nic Clews wrote:u > >>* > >> >> You are NOT doing VMS any favours. > >> >$ > >> > Neither is Compaq. Stalemate. > >>> > >> Compaq is not filling the newsgroup like Johnny One-Note. > >f9 > > Believe me, Larry, I sympathize with your sentiments.o > >tJ > > On the other hand, you're still making a good living from VMS. Many ofL > > us are not, and I don't think it's fair for you to rub our noses in that7 > > with such posts and that "Wailing and Moaning" bit.r > B > Ok, I have decided to test one of your prominent assertations --B > that there are no VMS jobs in the Midwest.  Looking at the site: > . >         http://jobsearch.openvms.monster.com > > > pointed to by Compaq's VMS web site and choosing the Chicago> > area, I see 8 jobs listed.  Three of them mention VAX or VMS> > in the title (so you know thay are not mainly Unix jobs that- > wouldn't mind someone with VMS experience).m  G Now, go back and see how many are also demanding everything from NT and-& Oracle to DEC-C, Beckman LIMS and OOP.   Another link to try: nf http://www.chicago.computerjobs.com/job_results.asp?s_kw=vms+or+openvms+or+vax+or+dec&s_jcid=&x=24&y=7 (long URL - may have wrapped)j  E There's even one (the location is listed as Bridgeview, IL, I believetC it's for Prairie Material Co.) who wants (get this) hours: 05:30 tosG 15:00 (that's a 9-hour day, BTW), you gotta do VMS, networking, telecom H *AND* help desk, and the pay is below scale for VMS alone. (posted since April of 2001)  G ...Dave Gudewicz's alma mater, Abbott Lab.'s is holding out for someoneeB with experience in their own shop or larger (posted since April of 2001).  H ...and why do UNIX jobs show up on a search for "VMS or OpenVMS or VAX"?  
 Get it *NOW*?e   -- ' David J. Dachteraf dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:29:54 -0500T1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>r$ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....' Message-ID: <3B831922.86E744D5@fsi.net>n   "Re: Wailing and Moaning...."   G Y'know Larry, you really should see someone about that. 'Bout ten yearsvF ago, my live-in gal-pal would do that, but only after a fifth or so of Vodka.   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > ] > In article <3B830671.601603B9@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:m > > Jacques Garnier wrote: > >>5 > >> Compaq is not Digital. Compaq is doing business.?Q > >> They'll do what the customer want and nothing else, keeping in mind that the- > >> goal is to make profit. > > L > > Since Compaq's latest moves effectively thwart profitability, and appearJ > > to run counter to customer demands (except for some dark-hooded entityK > > who seems to be pulling the strings), the veracity of that statement isa  > > open to serious debate, IMO. >  > Not contrary to my demands.n  9 Ah-HA! So YOU'RE the one pulling Capellas's strings, huh?   D Gotta hand it to ya on that one - I shoulda figgered that one out by now!  A > Not contrary to demands in any forum I have heard of except for = > comp.os.vms, where you are the major source of the demands.d  @ Well, I have a stated goal to "make a difference". Thank you forH documenting my success. Not quite what I had in mind, but what the hey - one step at a time...I   -- n David J. Dachterat dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:02:27 -0400e2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)$ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2108012302280001@user-2ivealm.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <G+KhrAqk2cqb@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.netc (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:    B > Ok, I have decided to test one of your prominent assertations --B > that there are no VMS jobs in the Midwest.  Looking at the site: > . >         http://jobsearch.openvms.monster.com > > > pointed to by Compaq's VMS web site and choosing the Chicago> > area, I see 8 jobs listed.  Three of them mention VAX or VMS> > in the title (so you know thay are not mainly Unix jobs that- > wouldn't mind someone with VMS experience).t  E If Chicago is anything like New York, a goodly fraction of those jobseJ aren't real.  They might hire someone if he's a perfect match, and cheap. J But it might turn out that some belt-tightening manager will veto the hireE at the last moment.  It sems that many of the jobs are "just-in-case"eC postings, but the company isn't really trying to fill the positionso
 anytime soon.c   -- t Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:11:20 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)$ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2108012311200001@user-2ivealm.dialup.mindspring.com>  ; In article <3B8313B3.CC9F36A4@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera"h <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:  I > Now, go back and see how many are also demanding everything from NT andl( > Oracle to DEC-C, Beckman LIMS and OOP.  G But that's a fantasy skill set.  They can't realistically expect to get: all that in one person.m   > Another link to try:   >8f http://www.chicago.computerjobs.com/job_results.asp?s_kw=vms+or+openvms+or+vax+or+dec&s_jcid=&x=24&y=7 > (long URL - may have wrapped)> > G > There's even one (the location is listed as Bridgeview, IL, I believenE > it's for Prairie Material Co.) who wants (get this) hours: 05:30 to>I > 15:00 (that's a 9-hour day, BTW), you gotta do VMS, networking, telecomoJ > *AND* help desk, and the pay is below scale for VMS alone. (posted since > April of 2001)  E ... which proves that a few crazy managers are NOT working at Compaq.   I > ...Dave Gudewicz's alma mater, Abbott Lab.'s is holding out for someoneaD > with experience in their own shop or larger (posted since April of > 2001).  J Or, when things get moving again, they'll suddenly decide to hire the best& person they can find in a week or two.  J > ...and why do UNIX jobs show up on a search for "VMS or OpenVMS or VAX"?  I Because companies are in cash-conservation mode, and they like to pretendoJ they can fill 2 or 3 jobs with one person.  VMS is not the only area whereC jobs are posted with silly sets of skills.  When a company makes itmG virtually impossible to match all the required skills, I guess it meansh- they don't really care about filling the job.o  I FWIW, I know of more and more unix and windoze people who are hunting forMI work with little success.  Some part of the bad news in VMS hiring is NOT: due to VMS.?   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 23:20:02 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)s$ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....3 Message-ID: <XC+9fvOowYab@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  V In article <3B82E029.BE2ACB0E@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes:  ; > And even though from time to time here, the ardent VMSersE= > criticize Unix for certain shortcoming they perceive exist,b  / 	Not perceive.  They do exist.  vi sucks.  The lB 	Unix hiearchial filesystem is *always* a big disaster waiting to H 	happen.  Two skilled Unix "persons" making a mistake in a shell script.C 	Two high profile clients dead in the water for a day or two.  Why?m    	# rm -r ${variable_goes_here}/*  8 	(Something like that).  Well guess what didn't get set?  G 	Trivia: do you know the *only* thing that is left in an AIX filesystema? 	when the following command runs (running as root out of root)?n   	# rm -r /*s  ? 	So yes... you build safeguards for that nasty rm command.  YoutG 	are making up for the deficiency of the design from the outset though.   3 > notwithstanding a lot of the time they're wrong, s  = 	But "a lot" is not all, and yes ... Unix has come a long wayt? 	and being free (Linux) helps a great deal.  It doesn't suck asoD 	much as it used to.  But "not as much" isn't the same as "doesn't." 	:-)   				Robe   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 05:12:12 GMTo" From: unixguys <unixguys@home.com>$ Subject: Re: Wailing and Moaning....( Message-ID: <3B833DE9.66425070@home.com>   Rob Young wrote: > X > In article <3B82E029.BE2ACB0E@bigfoot.com>, Hamlyn Mootoo <univms@bigfoot.com> writes: > = > > And even though from time to time here, the ardent VMSersa? > > criticize Unix for certain shortcoming they perceive exist,e > 7 >         Not perceive.  They do exist.  vi sucks.  The-  ; So don't use vi, use the dozens of other editors out there.   J >         Unix hiearchial filesystem is *always* a big disaster waiting toQ >         happen.  Two skilled Unix "persons" making a mistake in a shell script. L >         Two high profile clients dead in the water for a day or two.  Why? > ) >         # rm -r ${variable_goes_here}/*t  7 Couldn't have been too "skilled" to make that mistake !d  G If indeed they were running AIX they should have been up in a couple ofdE hours even if the drives weren't mirrored, get rid of above mentioned>E "skilled unix persons", put in your previous nights bootable tape settH the machine to service mode, boot it and you are back up and running ...+ no tape you say, well see my first comment.    > A >         (Something like that).  Well guess what didn't get set?a > P >         Trivia: do you know the *only* thing that is left in an AIX filesystemH >         when the following command runs (running as root out of root)? >   E Trivia how do you recursively delete 1000s of files in VMS out of them8 box without writing something or downloading a utility ?   Not  >         # rm -r /* > H >         So yes... you build safeguards for that nasty rm command.  YouP >         are making up for the deficiency of the design from the outset though. >   , Flaw in the design or flaw in the operator ?  B A laser used in eye surgery can also be used improperly to blind a3 person is this deficient design or operator error ?   4 > > notwithstanding a lot of the time they're wrong, > F >         But "a lot" is not all, and yes ... Unix has come a long wayH >         and being free (Linux) helps a great deal.  It doesn't suck asM >         much as it used to.  But "not as much" isn't the same as "doesn't."i
 >         :-)y > % >                                 Robt  E Don't get me wrong VMS is a wonderfull OS but there are valid reasonsh- Unix is out there and is as popular as it is.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 04:50:51 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)eY Subject: Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: The Final    Knell a0 Message-ID: <3b8339f1.30367856@news.process.com>  O On Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:41:50 GMT, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>t wrote:   >i >g >"Alan E. Feldman" wrote:  >  >> aH >> That just goes to show what a cool name VAX is: VAX. How can you haveI >> a cooler name for a computer?: VAX. Maybe instead of Alpha they shouldaD >> have called it VAX64. Sounds better than IA64, no? (That's not to/ >> imply that that was the choice at the time.)u > E >yes, but VAX64 is so obvious they wouldn't have been able to justify F >that warm fuzzy feeling you get when you donate a vast wad of cash to" >a PR firm to come up with a name, >o >bletch. >rL I don't know who came up with "Alpha," but I always took it to mean "first,"I as in "best."  From that standpoint, I think it's a great name.  And it's & sure better as "Alpha" than "AXP"! 8-)   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/t9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/o   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 17:48:00 -0700- From: afeldman@gfigroup.com (Alan E. Feldman) Y Subject: Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: The Final  Knell Ha2= Message-ID: <af1e4ce6.0108211647.696add9f@posting.google.com>u  j Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<3B829B9A.4D5FABF5@cableinet.co.uk>... > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > I > > That just goes to show what a cool name VAX is: VAX. How can you haverJ > > a cooler name for a computer?: VAX. Maybe instead of Alpha they shouldE > > have called it VAX64. Sounds better than IA64, no? (That's not to 0 > > imply that that was the choice at the time.) >  oF > yes, but VAX64 is so obvious they wouldn't have been able to justifyG > that warm fuzzy feeling you get when you donate a vast wad of cash top# > a PR firm to come up with a name,o  B Well, MS is doing pretty well with such, um, "original" names likeA Word, XL (gee, never heard that one before! ;-), Access, InternettF Explorer, etc. How long could it have taken to think up those? And whyF can't Maxell sue over the name XL or is it that even Maxell wasn't the first to use it?  E Anyway, my main point is just how cool VAX sounds. VAX. AND, from the  VMSfaq:a  
 [begin quote]aB A well-known "name search" firm was hired and was asked to come up withF two lists of possible names.  The first list was intended to evoke theC feeling of "extension to VAX", while the second list was to suggestaA "not a VAX".  Unfortunately, none of the choices offered were any  good;iD for example, "VAX 2000" was found on the first list while the second list< contained "MONDO" (later to be used for a kids' soft drink). [end quote]e  F So, VAX64 would evoke the feeling of "extension to VAX", well, more soB than Alpha. And it certainly beats MONDO! "Okay, we'll get 4 MONDO servers...."F A VMS system manager would be called MONDOMAN instead of VAXMAN. Which would you rather be?  	 > bletch.K   Huh?  C As one c.o.v poster from a few years ago said, "Don't take this toonF seriously. I just like to practice my typing." or something like that.   Disclaimer: JMHO   &-) Alan E. Feldmans afeldman@gfigroup.comr   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:41:50 GMT"3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>eY Subject: Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: The Final Knell Has./ Message-ID: <3B829B9A.4D5FABF5@cableinet.co.uk>k   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:  v > G > That just goes to show what a cool name VAX is: VAX. How can you haveuH > a cooler name for a computer?: VAX. Maybe instead of Alpha they shouldC > have called it VAX64. Sounds better than IA64, no? (That's not to . > imply that that was the choice at the time.)  dD yes, but VAX64 is so obvious they wouldn't have been able to justifyE that warm fuzzy feeling you get when you donate a vast wad of cash top! a PR firm to come up with a name,    bletch.S   -- t Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of o! my employers or service provider.j   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Aug 2001 17:56:50 -0700- From: afeldman@gfigroup.com (Alan E. Feldman)3Y Subject: Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: TheFinal Knell Has .= Message-ID: <af1e4ce6.0108211656.541c3b28@posting.google.com>t  X "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in message news:<sb8260e3.089@aaas.org>...L > In the Greek Alphabet, Beta is the next letter. Though, based on the vibe H > I'm getting from everyone, perhaps Omega would be a good name for the  > Itanic/Alpha hybrid.  B Yes, Beta! And what does Beta mean in our business? An early buggyF version of software released to a few brave souls for further testing.A OK, so now make the big stretch to hardware: Alpha is the version  before Beta! OK?  ? I *do not* mean to say that Alpha is a lousy machine. Quite the A contrary. But I feel the name could have been better. That's all.e   > K > And nothing personal, but you reminded me how annoying ASCII art can be. - > =)  A Well, if you view it in a non-fixed-width font, yeah, it's prettyv ugly.a   Disclaimer: JMHO   &-)   Alan E. Feldman            afeldman@gfigroup.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:33:00 -0400e' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>aY Subject: Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: TheFinal Knell Has  < Message-ID: <howard-B46F9E.23330021082001@enews.newsguy.com>  ' In article <3B8319B5.DE20609F@fsi.net>,u3  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:   > > The irony of that just dawned on me - "Alpha - VMS's omega".  M Worse.  I was trying to clean out the dust from an old Alpha workstation.  I m+ kept thinking, "What I need here is a VAX".t -- h Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:32:21 -0500n1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>eY Subject: Re: What cooler name than VAX? (was Re: Common Code (was Re: TheFinal Knell Has  ' Message-ID: <3B8319B5.DE20609F@fsi.net>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > Z > "John Eisenschmidt" <jeisensc@aaas.org> wrote in message news:<sb8260e3.089@aaas.org>...M > > In the Greek Alphabet, Beta is the next letter. Though, based on the vibehI > > I'm getting from everyone, perhaps Omega would be a good name for thec > > Itanic/Alpha hybrid. > D > Yes, Beta! And what does Beta mean in our business? An early buggyH > version of software released to a few brave souls for further testing.C > OK, so now make the big stretch to hardware: Alpha is the version= > before Beta! OK? > A > I *do not* mean to say that Alpha is a lousy machine. Quite theeC > contrary. But I feel the name could have been better. That's all.h  < The irony of that just dawned on me - "Alpha - VMS's omega".   -- S David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:16:48 -0400o) From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet@mail.com>0) Subject: Re: ZLX2-E (TGA2) dial settings?a( Message-ID: <3B827B60.6711B874@mail.com>  K Here are the settings for the 3D30 (PBXGB-AA) and the 4D20 (PBXGB-CA).  TheoI 1600x1200 are only applicable to the 4D20.  I don't know if these are theo4 same settings are the same as the one that you have.      Res        Ref0 0  1280x1024  72 1  1280x1024  66 2  1280x1024  60 3  1152x900   72 4  1600x1200  65 5  1024x768   70 6  1024x768   72 7  1024x864   60 8  1024x768   60 9  800x600    72 A  800x600    60 B  640x480    72 C  640x480    60 D  1280x1024  75 E  1280x1024  60 F  1600x1200  75     David B Sneddon wrote: >  > Hi Folks,r > H > I have an Alphastation 255/333 with the above graphics card installed.G > The card has a dial for various frequency settings.  Does anyone have>H > the details of the various settings?  I have been unable to locate the# > information via various searches.s > 
 > Regards, > Dave.h > --K > David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com K > Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/eK > DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm K > "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennono   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.465 ************************