1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 02 Dec 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 669       Contents:P 3120           Would you like to lose weight while you sleep?                  5 Re: ftp performance  Re: Go away Kenneth Lay  IEQ11 Driver VMS Re: Items for sale!  MT DSSI-SCSI Bridge  Needed Information RE: Needed Information Re: Needed Information% Re: NT to Solaris Migration Promotion % Re: NT to Solaris Migration Promotion % Re: NT to Solaris Migration Promotion E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org . Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continues. Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continues% The real story about Alpha's death ?? ) Re: The real story about Alpha's death ?? ) Re: The real story about Alpha's death ?? 	 Re: TLZ09 E Re: Tru64 .vs. HP-UX  (was: Compaq's Secret VMS Plans (The Inquirer)) E Re: Tru64 .vs. HP-UX  (was: Compaq's Secret VMS Plans (The Inquirer)) E Re: Tru64 .vs. HP-UX  (was: Compaq's Secret VMS Plans (The Inquirer))  Re: Undo disk Initialize  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:29:55% From: 2955390travelincentives@aol.com Y Subject: 3120           Would you like to lose weight while you sleep?                  5 9 Message-ID: <iss.704a.3c09c528.dfb14.1@mx2.west.saic.com>   6  As seen on NBC, CBS, CNN, and even Oprah! 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Your typical $ >> FTP dialogue goes something like: > H >Merely observing what mgftp actually does. I think it implements a sizeH >command itself. Whether it uses the directory/full command to determineK >remote size from other servers or what, I don't know, but where native vms L >ftp allocates 1000ish blocks at a time, mgftp allocates the exact amount upI >front. I observed this fetching the dce 3.0 u1 patch from Compaq - don't , >know which remote ftps it can do this with. > I MGFTP (soon to be HGFTP) does the best it can to determine the file size. O For STRU VMS transfers, the file size is sent as part of the VMS file attribute L info.  Recent versions of MGFTP client do issue a SIZE command to determine,L roughly, the size of the file to be transferred.  If the remote side doesn'tM support the SIZE command, then MGFTP client will actually look at the message J coming from the other side; many UNIX and PC servers will include the fileK size in that message, and MGFTP will look for that, if necessary, to try to  determine the size of the file.   N <150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for Index.by.name (xx.xx.xxx.xxx,9369) (3388304 bytes).  1 Not part of the FTP RFC, of course, but it works.   N Just one of the reasons I prefer HGFTP to any of the other VMS FTP clients....  J >> You are talking about a Windows FTP client pushing data at a VMS mgf0tp >> server, right?  > 5 >No. A VMS client pulling data from a Mac ftp server. F >Comparison figures are either for the VMS client with Solaris; or for- >Mac/Windows clients with the Mac ftp server.  > M >I've tried type ascii/image, various modes (only stream supported), passive, I >various window sizes (4k-128k, 64k seems best, although the variation is  >small). > M Unfortunately, I have no ideas about this either, other than to say that I've L seen similar problems and never been able to figure out why.  Without sourceL code for other software, there's no telling what it's doing or not doing....   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ 9 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:02:29 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>   Subject: Re: Go away Kenneth Lay5 Message-ID: <3C091B35.E70FC5DB@swissonline.delete.ch>    David Mathog wrote:    > Q > The past and present CEO of that soon to be bankrupt company is none other than R > Kenneth Lay, who currently sits on  the Compaq BOD.  Shouldn't Q stockholders beT > demanding this guy leave the BOD ASAP?  I mean, do we really need to find out if a, > Q director can serve from his jail cell?    G I was taking a look at the details of Compaq's "insider trading" (which F office bearers have had which share deals) with a view to analysing itD properly when I think I found a gem which reflects on your question.  A Looking at Ken Lay's holdings (and assuming I understand what the H listing is saying) I found under Ken's  Enron holdings:  Common [shares]C 2,766,998 worth $102,047,000 as of 21-Aug-01 (when this holding was A reported), but worth $11,372,000 as of 27-Nov-01.  He also had an H indirect holding (via spouse or trust) of 118,876 and worth   $3,847,000G when it was reported on 5-Sep-01, but on 27-Nov-01 they were worth only  $489,000  G I hope he remembered to say goodbye to the $94 million he lost in about 
 3 months !  C BTW, he also held 805,606 shares in Compaq, worth $15,709,000 as of C 8-Dec-00 (when reported) but worth only $7,669,000 as of 27-Nov-01.   C In total it looks like he's lost about $100 million in less than 12 
 months ...  F I'm not sure if this makes him qualified to run Compaq's PC segment or* just reflects his bad judgement all round.     Capellas for comparison ??  C He holds 1,355,067 shares in CPQ which were worth $30,896,000 as of > 1-Dec-00 (when they were reported) and worth $12,900,000 as ofB 27-Nov-01.  So it looks like he's lost $18 million in less than 12 months.        John McLean     F PS.  Here's an interesting snippet on KL and ENRON.  Almost *everyday*D in the first half of this year he exerised Options to buy at $19 andG sold them at the going market rate of from about $85 to $45.  Through a H spouse or trust he also received either 500 or 1000 shares (via options) every day and sold those too.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2001 17:33:40 -0800   From: srf23@yahoo.com (SteveF23) Subject: IEQ11 Driver VMS = Message-ID: <e8f65efb.0112011733.3df6c7f9@posting.google.com>   ; I am involved in a project using an IEQ11, on VMS using the =  IEX driver.  I have the IEX driver binaries and license, but <  I would like to see the source code to the driver.  Anybody4  out there have the source in a attic or somewhere ?   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2001 13:44:02 -0600  From: MikeWJ <mjenkins@jcn.net>  Subject: Re: Items for sale!8 Message-ID: <4gci0u0n33j3utavg1mu8nu1j4hjkespfg@4ax.com>  ) Thank you, one and all, for responding.     = All of the items have been sold, to the highest received bid.   
 Thanks again,    MikeWJ  mjenkins@jcn.net (MikeWJ) wrote:  D >I have these items to sell.  If interested, please call me, Mike atG >314-552-8666 or Dave at 314-552-8506.  Serious inquiries only, please.  >  >Looking to sell:  > ( > 24 VT terminals (VT220, VT320, VT420),! > 31 VT keyboards (LK201, LK401),  >  3 Remote Console Switches,  >  3 Decserver 200/MC, >  1 Decserver 250,  >  9 LA75 printers,  >  1 LA424 Printer,  >  1 LP29 printer, >  1 LG02 printer, >  1 LG31 printer, >  1 LPS20 printer,  >  1 LPS32 printer,  >  1 LN06 (Declaser 2200), >  2 VXT2000 Desktop units,  >  1 VXT1000 Desktop unit,# >  1 StorageWorks 800 media cabinet D >    (HSD50 controller, 4 BA350 shelves, (28) 2-GB HD's, (2) TL7L's   >     & (1) TLZ9 4mm tape units)$ >  2 VAX 4505a's (each has 2 RF72's)& >  1 Microvax 3300 w/HD extension box.( >     Other miscellaneous VAX equipment. > G >May have another 3300 in the parts bin.  If so, will add to this list.  >  >Thanks. >  >MikeWJ    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 01:13:29 GMT  From: dittman@dittman.net  Subject: MT DSSI-SCSI Bridge: Message-ID: <ZefO7.2619$rL4.397283@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>  @ I have what is supposed to be a DSSI-SCSI bridge.  The vendor is? MT (Micro Technology) and the model is DSSI-MULT.  There's also = a label identifying the board as an RFCS 6001-7.  Does anyone ( have one of these or some documentation? --   Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.net = Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:30:11 -0600, From: "Lorna Prather" <pr8thr@ameritech.net> Subject: Needed Information 5 Message-ID: <000001c17ad9$55ca55a0$fae94842@computer>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  + ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C17AA7.0B2FE5A0 $ Content-Type: multipart/alternative;5 	boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C17AA7.0B390D60"     + ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C17AA7.0B390D60  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="us-ascii"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit      E I'm looking for some information about VMS, the history of it, NOS/OS ? family of products for it, most current version, minimum system D requirements, recommended environment, recommended use, advantages &C disadvantages, hardware platforms, licensing issues, c2 compliance,   security features, future of it.    Quote of the day: 9 For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.  - Albert Einstein      + ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C17AA7.0B390D60  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="us-ascii" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = 5 xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = 3 xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = * xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">   <head>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Dus-ascii">    , <meta name=3DProgId content=3DWord.Document>5 <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10"> 6 <meta name=3DOriginator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10">B <link rel=3DFile-List href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C17AA6.F87EBDA0"> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>  <o:OfficeDocumentSettings>    <o:DoNotRelyOnCSS/>   </o:OfficeDocumentSettings>* </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>  <w:WordDocument> *   <w:SpellingState>Clean</w:SpellingState>(   <w:GrammarState>Clean</w:GrammarState>0   <w:DocumentKind>DocumentEmail</w:DocumentKind>   <w:EnvelopeVis/>=   <w:BrowserLevel>MicrosoftInternetExplorer4</w:BrowserLevel>   </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]--> <style>  <!--  /* Font Definitions */   @font-face # 	{font-family:"Lucida Handwriting";  	panose-1:3 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1; 	mso-font-charset:0;  	mso-generic-font-family:script; 	mso-font-pitch:variable; ! 	mso-font-signature:3 0 0 0 1 0;} 
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Sun, 02 Dec 2001 00:30:02 -05000' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>  Subject: Re: Needed Information < Message-ID: <howard-EED082.00300102122001@enews.newsguy.com>  5 In article <000001c17ad9$55ca55a0$fae94842@computer>,m.  "Lorna Prather" <pr8thr@ameritech.net> wrote:  	 > [Image]s  G Try reposting your article w/o a binary.  This is not a binaries group.: -- e Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 03:16:54 GMT=  From: cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net>. Subject: Re: NT to Solaris Migration Promotion+ Message-ID: <3C099CF9.4A73C902@prodigy.net>e   Jerry Leslie wrote:  > 0 > JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote: > :>K > : General VMS marketing is as likely as Bill Gates admitting his sins andS% > : dumping Windows in favour of VMS.m > :eI > He admitted that MS software crashes too much and is too hard to use...e > O >    http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/tech/review/2001-11-12-comdex-gates.htmu > ? >    http://money.cnn.com/2001/11/12/technology/gates_software/r; >    Gates admits software crashes too much - Nov. 12, 2001  >   >    Microsoft focuses on basics$ >    November 12, 2001: 7:44 a.m. ETH >    Bill Gates admits software crashes too much and is too hard to use. > J >   "NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - Bill Gates issued a confession to the computerJ >    world this weekend, saying Microsoft's software crashes too often and@ >    is too hard to use, according to a published report Monday. <snip>  N But once Microsoft takes control of the hardware side of the business (via itsK Trojan Horse, the X-Box), there won't be all those problems caused by thirdoD party drivers and unreliable hardware, so everything will be peachy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:37:32 -0500s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e. Subject: Re: NT to Solaris Migration Promotion, Message-ID: <3C09AFEE.9ABB525B@videotron.ca>  
 cjt wrote:P > But once Microsoft takes control of the hardware side of the business (via itsM > Trojan Horse, the X-Box), there won't be all those problems caused by third F > party drivers and unreliable hardware, so everything will be peachy.  N Just wait for a cluster of 1000 Xboxes running NT-enterprise serverwith a veryM fancy 3d console to manage systems with a virtual reality headset and specialeK gloves so that you can actually point to a netwrok device with your fingersl6 and pop up a 3d menu giving you options for that node.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2001 23:05:57 -0600m+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) . Subject: Re: NT to Solaris Migration Promotion3 Message-ID: <zf5cJYFyHSQ$@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  \ In article <3C09AFEE.9ABB525B@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > cjt wrote:Q >> But once Microsoft takes control of the hardware side of the business (via itsnN >> Trojan Horse, the X-Box), there won't be all those problems caused by thirdG >> party drivers and unreliable hardware, so everything will be peachy.i > P > Just wait for a cluster of 1000 Xboxes running NT-enterprise serverwith a veryO > fancy 3d console to manage systems with a virtual reality headset and specialtM > gloves so that you can actually point to a netwrok device with your fingersl8 > and pop up a 3d menu giving you options for that node.  < 	Yeah... with MickeySoft Software... I can imagine you would@ 	be like a woodpecker on amphetemines pointing to the app/server@ 	that just crashed to make it reboot/recycle.  Not unlike a 21stC 	century Mickey Mouse as maestro in Fantasia (in this case not much4- 	fantasy).  How fitting... Mickey for Mickey.b   				Robp   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2001 11:51:40 -0600"+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)iN Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org3 Message-ID: <bW9TwrKrqoK$@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  X In article <VA.000004d1.b42c0ee4@bluewin.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes:  O > Cynical response: With a recession now on (and that's now official in the US iO > according to the paper I was reading the other day), one could simply wait a  N > couple of years or so until prices and wages hit rock bottom, then go for a / > full port of everything to another platform. a    D 	But I think you are backwards.  Wages don't shrink over here duringC 	a recession, they just don't increase (i.e. last time this pinched-D 	me... only time actually ... I got a 3% pay raise... I believe that 	was 1991).s  B 	Hardware decline in prices?  Somewhat.  But because of the bottomG 	line cost ($$$) , migrations normally don't occur during a contraction= 	in the economy.   				Robo   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2001 18:08:49 GMT ) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)dN Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org' Message-ID: <9ub6bh$i4i$1@joe.rice.edu>:  , Rob Young (young_r@encompasserve.org) wrote: :eF : 	But I think you are backwards.  Wages don't shrink over here duringE : 	a recession, they just don't increase (i.e. last time this pinched3F : 	me... only time actually ... I got a 3% pay raise... I believe that
 : 	was 1991).e :E$ There is evidence to the contrary...  B    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_49/b3760036.htmB    BW Online | December 3, 2001 | A "Jobless Recovery" Just Ahead?     "DECEMBER 3, 2001d    NEWS: ANALYSIS & COMMENTARY#    A "Jobless Recovery" Just Ahead?O>    Why unemployment may keep rising even after growth picks up    .    .    .G    WAGE CURBS. Another bit of bad news for spending: Unemployment seems F    to be getting high enough to hold down wage growth. Richard Berner,E    chief U.S. economist at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. estimatesnB    that in the three months ending in October, wages and salaries,4    adjusted for taxes, shrank at a 1.5% annual rate.    .    .    ."    By Margaret Popper in New York"    8 Plus salary cuts at companies like HP, Monster.com, etc.  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2001 17:36:21 -0600V+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)cN Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org3 Message-ID: <0j3OJO+19lvG@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  S In article <9ub6bh$i4i$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:<. > Rob Young (young_r@encompasserve.org) wrote: > :nH > : 	But I think you are backwards.  Wages don't shrink over here duringG > : 	a recession, they just don't increase (i.e. last time this pinched H > : 	me... only time actually ... I got a 3% pay raise... I believe that > : 	was 1991).d > :s& > There is evidence to the contrary... > D >    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_49/b3760036.htmD >    BW Online | December 3, 2001 | A "Jobless Recovery" Just Ahead? >  >   "DECEMBER 3, 2001T  >    NEWS: ANALYSIS & COMMENTARY% >    A "Jobless Recovery" Just Ahead?;@ >    Why unemployment may keep rising even after growth picks up >    . >    . >    .I >    WAGE CURBS. Another bit of bad news for spending: Unemployment seems/H >    to be getting high enough to hold down wage growth. Richard Berner,G >    chief U.S. economist at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. estimatesoD >    that in the three months ending in October, wages and salaries,6 >    adjusted for taxes, shrank at a 1.5% annual rate. >    . >    . >    .  A 	Okay... I can handle that... someone that gets a pay raise of 3% = 	should be breaking even.  The Social Security administration2E 	typically hits that number as a cost of living number so is breaking+F 	even at a 3% raise.  To lose 1.5% seems to me that you would actuallyB 	get a 1.5% pay raise.  A raise that low in IT on this side of theB 	pond is *highly* unusual.  So that number you cite above includesH 	all those True Truckers , Scientists, Carpenters and Dishwashers among  	us.     				Rob/   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:51:02 GMT/* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>7 Subject: Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continuesCA Message-ID: <aM8O7.33875$ox2.2458188@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>m  : "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net> wrote in message- news:wna0pRKLvZNe@eisner.encompasserve.org...M   ...M  > > In general what I do is not particularly performance-driven,= > but for those who really wanted an EV8, I say "Let them eatR> > EV79".  The SMT route always seemed to me a bit of a kludge,B > highly dependent on taking advantage of multithreaded processes.< > That is not quite so bad an niche market as the market for= > Spiralog, but certainly in the same direction.  Saying thatt= > the only direction in which Alpha could excel would be suchi3 > a route makes me think EV8 would not have helped.J  K Perhaps it's your view of Alpha's market that is skewed rather than Alpha'sa? direction.  Leaving aside the fact that EV8 provided noticeablePL single-stream performance improvement via its expansion to 8-wide issue fromD EV7's 4-wide issue (plus IIRC a couple of other tweaks applicable toF single-stream performance that I'd have to dredge up EV8 documents, ifL they're still available, to describe), I suspect that if you analyze Alpha'sL (pre-June-25th) market you'll find that most of its revenue came from server> or other applications eminently suited to capitalizing on SMT.  I Even workstation and scientific code often can benefit from more than oneBJ execution stream.  EV8 had 4, at a reported cost of about 10% of chip areaL over a single-stream implementation, so any installation using as few as twoI streams would benefit from it compared with using two separate processorsnI (with their significantly-increased synchronization latency compared withQD on-die multi-streaming) or even approaches that replicate the entireC processor core on-chip (at considerably higher area cost than SMT).V  L Your viewpoint is hard to distinguish from one that suggests that the ES andI GS architectures are equally unimportant - since by definition almost anymI installation that requires more than a single Alpha processor today wouldiK have benefited from EV8's ability to cut its processor count by a factor ofrK up to 4 (as I don't believe that EV8's implementation of SMT was limited tosG running only multiple threads from the same process - the academic workYK behind it certainly wasn't limited in that sense).  Is that really what youl believe?   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:17:35 -0500x- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>K7 Subject: Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continuesu, Message-ID: <3C097317.F6667299@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:KK > puzzle together... virtually everything Compaq will tell you under NDA isyK > available in public domain forums if you know where to look. EV7 is real.q1 > Marvel is real, and both are alive and kicking.q  L Was it Windows-64 that was real on Alpha before Compaq and Microsoft decidedL it wasn't worth the effort to productize since Alpha wasn't being marketed ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 23:47:22 +010071 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>2. Subject: The real story about Alpha's death ??5 Message-ID: <3C095DFA.B2612EFB@swissonline.delete.ch>2  G Forget the arguments about Compaq's technical justification for Alpha'sVG termination.  Forget any arguments about their costing justification. =Z  G Also forget any ideas of a Microsoft factor.  The real story might be aL lot simpler.   Try this =85    F Curly and Carly are having quiet chats back in late May and Curly saysD to Carly "Should we go all the way?"   Carly thinks for a moment andD then says "Yes, it's possible.  But we both have a Unix, what's more your's is on Alpha."  G Curly thinks for a moment and then the lights in his head flash and therJ bells start ringing.  He can't believe his luck.  He's in love =85 with a=  
 cunning plan.x  F Of course !  Why didn't he see it earlier ?  (We can probably guess !)  H If he can get rid of Alpha, then he can save about $350 million per yearF off the bottom line.  More to the point, if he can announce it to take@ effect in a few years, then he's saved money during that time onH development (which for now produces no profit) and even if Compaq has toG pay for its processors in five years, he probably won't be around to beX held accountable.X  F Now if he get it moving fast and get those people over to Intel beforeH the end of June, then the savings can start from the 3rd quarter of thisE year (Jul-Sep).  The PC segment is being hammered this year - alreadycG almost $250 million lost - and the savings will prop up the bottom lineu? just nicely.  Hell, with a bit of effort there must be a way toKC generalize the savings so that all segments can benefit; Enterprise  can't have it all.  A But he also sees that there is another elegance to announcing theTC termination of Alpha; it will be a big boost for the merger with HPA should that deal develop.K  > With Tru64 being the lesser Unix and thus assigned the role ofG sacrificial Siamese twin, it would leave only that other product - whatuD is ?  VMS ? - on Alpha and there's no way that Alpha development andF support could be financed from the income of whats-its-name.  (There'sD something else we sell in the high-end but it doesn't matter because it's not on Alpha yet.)d  E So all this will make me look wonderful again and I should be able torG collect another big bonus sometime soon.  The stockmarket will love theVF idea and I'll collect there too.  Losing about $15 million so far this year is no fun.e    G Hmm.  The stockmarket may not be too happy if we said it was to prop uplI our bottom line and I can't say anything about my whisperings to Carly. =d  ) How can I spin this into something else ?i  G Back at the office Curly call up the spin-men.  "No problem boss", theydB say.  "We'll say it's a performance thing - we won't give them ourG estimates of performance so they'll never know.  We could also throw in3F the price angle.  How it will reduce the prices of these boxes if theyH have Intel standard processors in them.  Hey, let's combine the two intoH 'big benefits in price/performance'.  That should really convince them."  ( And lo, it came to pass, on June 25 =85.       John McLean/   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2001 20:50:26 -0800k/ From: Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com (Brannon Batson)k2 Subject: Re: The real story about Alpha's death ??= Message-ID: <4495ef1f.0112012050.49f1a778@posting.google.com>d  n John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message news:<3C095DFA.B2612EFB@swissonline.delete.ch>... > [snip] > H > Now if he get it moving fast and get those people over to Intel beforeJ > the end of June, then the savings can start from the 3rd quarter of thisG > year (Jul-Sep).  The PC segment is being hammered this year - alreadyVI > almost $250 million lost - and the savings will prop up the bottom linex > just nicely.    ? One problem.  No Alpha people were moved over until mid-August.p   BrannonF not speaking for Intel   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 06:22:20 +0100K1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>K2 Subject: Re: The real story about Alpha's death ??4 Message-ID: <3C09BA8C.45E017D@swissonline.delete.ch>   Brannon Batson wrote:K > p > John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message news:<3C095DFA.B2612EFB@swissonline.delete.ch>...
 > > [snip] > >uJ > > Now if he get it moving fast and get those people over to Intel beforeL > > the end of June, then the savings can start from the 3rd quarter of thisI > > year (Jul-Sep).  The PC segment is being hammered this year - already2K > > almost $250 million lost - and the savings will prop up the bottom lineu > > just nicely. > A > One problem.  No Alpha people were moved over until mid-August.K > 	 > Brannonu > not speaking for Intel    E Not a huge problem.  Things will still be looking better for the last2F quarter of 2001.  It would have been nice to round 'em up and move 'emD out sooner but ...  Maybe better to get all the bad news over in oneG quarter anyway.  I can't push Intel too hard, after all they are taking   them off my hands for nothing...     John  D PS. If Compaq had saved one quarter of the estimated annual costs of? Alpha in 3Q, it would have changed the loss of $68 million into2" something that was a small profit.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:33:28 +0800b- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>o Subject: Re: TLZ09( Message-ID: <3C09AF18.30900@bigpond.com>   Howard S Shubs wrote:-  . > In article <9u9ish$s4c$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>,1 >  Joe Heimann <heimann@nog.ecs.umass.edu> wrote:> >  > I >>It is a DDS-2 tape drive, 4 GB uncompressed and 8 GB compressed on 120mo9 >>tapes.  Will also read and write 60m and 90m DDS tapes.. >> > E > Thanks.  Do you know what the difference is between it and a TLZ07?i    E I believe the main difference is speed... a TLZ09 is very much faster 6 than a TLZ07 (by a factor of 3 or 4 in my experience).   Regards, Dave.. --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comeI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/rI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmcI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennona   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 17:05:04 GMTW* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>N Subject: Re: Tru64 .vs. HP-UX  (was: Compaq's Secret VMS Plans (The Inquirer))? Message-ID: <458O7.9864$tf5.585902@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>s  3 "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in messagec news:9uandc$bfd@web.nmti.com...e. > In article <3C051224.4A2BB9CC@videotron.ca>,1 > JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:aJ > > HP-UX has many more customers than Tru64. So while they may embed many of theH > > "system" functiosn available in Tru64 into HP-UX, my bet is that theF > > application and user interface will remain HP-UX so that HP-UX can reallyL > > simply recompile. It will be the Tru64 folks who will have to port their appsA > > to HP-UX (but in many cases, those apps already exist there).n >rE > You now, that wouldn't be bad. So long as it's Tru64 under the hooda  I It's possible your news server missed Jerry Leslie's post from early thisi morning:  9    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2100182,00.html 8    ZDNet |UK| - News - Story - HP brings Unixes together   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:46:40 GMTh* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>N Subject: Re: Tru64 .vs. HP-UX  (was: Compaq's Secret VMS Plans (The Inquirer))A Message-ID: <QkbO7.35866$ox2.2574564@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>j  3 "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in message  news:9ubdki$mdr@web.nmti.com...eA > In article <458O7.9864$tf5.585902@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,m+ > Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:t   ...B  H > > It's possible your news server missed Jerry Leslie's post from early this > > morning: > >X= > >    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2100182,00.htmlr< > >    ZDNet |UK| - News - Story - HP brings Unixes together >i- > It's possible you missed my response to it.r  I Not in this reference frame as of when I posted, unless the posting timeswL are screwed up.  But this frame would normally have allowed you to have seenE Jerry's post before posting yours, which was the basis of my comment.v   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Dec 2001 20:13:06 GMTi& From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)N Subject: Re: Tru64 .vs. HP-UX  (was: Compaq's Secret VMS Plans (The Inquirer))% Message-ID: <9ubdki$mdr@web.nmti.com>M  ? In article <458O7.9864$tf5.585902@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>,y) Bill Todd <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:	5 > "Peter da Silva" <peter@abbnm.com> wrote in message ! > news:9uandc$bfd@web.nmti.com...@0 > > In article <3C051224.4A2BB9CC@videotron.ca>,3 > > JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:uL > > > HP-UX has many more customers than Tru64. So while they may embed many > of theJ > > > "system" functiosn available in Tru64 into HP-UX, my bet is that theH > > > application and user interface will remain HP-UX so that HP-UX can > reallyN > > > simply recompile. It will be the Tru64 folks who will have to port their > appsC > > > to HP-UX (but in many cases, those apps already exist there).l  G > > You now, that wouldn't be bad. So long as it's Tru64 under the hoodr  K > It's possible your news server missed Jerry Leslie's post from early thise
 > morning: > ; >    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2100182,00.htmlr: >    ZDNet |UK| - News - Story - HP brings Unixes together  + It's possible you missed my response to it.    -- o+  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva.rE   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything."-L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 19:59:03 -0500  From: gce <ge@gce.com>! Subject: Re: Undo disk Initializes' Message-ID: <3C097CD7.D26E79F8@gce.com>a  K There was a piece by Tony Scandora on the VAX SIG tapes along about 1982 ifoJ I recall rightly about how to undo an INIT. It involved finding all blocksN that looked like part of indexf.sys, directory blocks, and using back pointersG and a massive indexing job (Tony used Datatrieve) to reconstruct files./  G It was workable, but complex and not fully automated. Freeware undeletehG programs are useless here; they require indexf.sys to be around and ares. meant to try to undo DELETE, not to undo INIT. Glenn Everhart [...]r   Nt   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.669 ************************yment seems F    to be getting high enou