1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 02 Dec 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 670       Contents: Re: Big thanks+ Re: Block sizes + VMS install  with VMS 7.3  Re: IEQ11 Driver VMS No surprise about Tru64 death % Re: NT to Solaris Migration Promotion E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org E Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org . Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continues. Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continues. Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continues. Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continues The demise of compaq- Was: Special IPF-Inside Issue - now: Pay cuts P What's on in Perth? (Was: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at ww4 Re: why not a communityDeveloped[tm] version of VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 08:32:57 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net>  Subject: Re: Big thanks ) Message-ID: <3C09E738.80817278@Omond.net>    Paul Savage wrote:  M > Thanks to everyone who took the time to read and answer my query last week.  > : > Big thanks to Roy Omond who veni, vidi, vici my problem.   How thoughtful and kind !    Thanks for the mention :-)   Cheers, Roy.  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:13:11 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>4 Subject: Re: Block sizes + VMS install  with VMS 7.3- Message-ID: <VA.000004d4.b9923b89@bluewin.ch>   G In article <u0ht8ra2qbrvbf@news.supernews.com>, Island Computers wrote:  > Question:  > DS20# > SCSI CDROM on Qlogic Ctr QLA1040B / > CMD Viper II RAID Controller with 128MB Cache ( > 6 x DS-RZ1EF-VW as one raid set RAID 5 > Write cache enabled.1  >  > RAID set of approx 70GB  > A > Installed VMS 7.2-1 on a DS20 with Viper II CMD RAID Controller  > C > Worked very fast and beautifully with 256 Block setting (default)  > 7 > Then tried it with 7.3 and all kind of errors occured H > Finally gave up even after changing block size to 512 and reinstalling	 > raidset  > 3 > Anyone got any pointers or has anyone tried this? M > Or are we just going to have to state that we can't support this setup with 
 > VMS 7.3 ???  > K Have you disabled the XFC cache? Here's a message from Hoff on the subject:   1 rom: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms - Subject: Re: Any news on the fix for the XFC? # Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 16:26:24 GMT   M In article <3BDF6A7C.20901@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> writes:   E :I'm gettin' ready for the trip from 7.2-1 to 7.3 (Alpha, of course). D :Has anyone heard anything on a fix for the XFC?  I searched DSNlinkK :tonight and didn't find anything new.  The one XFC patch is still on-hold.   I   Pending, but I do not have a specific nor an official schedule for the     XFC V2.0 ECO kit shipment.    K   I am aware of at least one customer site that has loaded the images that  K   may well become the XFC V2.0 kit, and that is now operating successfully  I   with XFC enabled.  Assuming that these prove to be the final images --  J   something that I am not certain is the case -- I would *guess* that the 4   XFC V2.0 kit will be available in about a month.    I   Regardless of the actual/eventual release schedule for the ECO kit, the F   VIOC-based I/O caching does work -- please enable (via the VCC_FLAGSH   system parameter) and use VIOC on existing OpenVMS Alpha V7.3 systems /   pending the availability of the XFC V2.0 kit.  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:17:28 GMT " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> Subject: Re: IEQ11 Driver VMS . Message-ID: <sZoO7.63$d21.191@typhoon.bart.nl>  ; IIRC there is a difference between the IEX11 and the IEQ11. ; Both interfaces connect to the IEEE bus (aka as the HP-IB). < The IEQ11 is a Q-bus controller, the IEX11 is a SCSI device.  < The source code for the IEQ11 is gone, the IEX11 sources are. still available (at least in the Netherlands).G We had the IEX-11 driver modified for VMS V7.1 (by Compaq) and it works  fine. B I'm not sure I can post the source code legally, but you could ask= for the modified drivers at Compaq. The price was reasonable.   
 Hans Vlems    + SteveF23 <srf23@yahoo.com> wrote in message 7 news:e8f65efb.0112011733.3df6c7f9@posting.google.com... = > I am involved in a project using an IEQ11, on VMS using the ? >  IEX driver.  I have the IEX driver binaries and license, but > >  I would like to see the source code to the driver.  Anybody6 >  out there have the source in a attic or somewhere ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 16:04:24 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> & Subject: No surprise about Tru64 death< Message-ID: <cisO7.55799$2i.21159103@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  K For those of you who have access to subscription access to www.idc.com, see   J And Then There Were Three: Compaq Drops IA64 Tru64 Unix Plans     Oct 1999
 Doc #20624   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:24:21 GMT " From: Art Rice <arice@myhouse.org>. Subject: Re: NT to Solaris Migration Promotion9 Message-ID: <pQqO7.395$d22.103792@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>    JF Mezei wrote:    > cjt wrote:H >> But once Microsoft takes control of the hardware side of the businessG >> (via its Trojan Horse, the X-Box), there won't be all those problems L >> caused by third party drivers and unreliable hardware, so everything will
 >> be peachy.  > K > Just wait for a cluster of 1000 Xboxes running NT-enterprise serverwith a L > very fancy 3d console to manage systems with a virtual reality headset andH > special gloves so that you can actually point to a netwrok device withE > your fingers and pop up a 3d menu giving you options for that node.  >   H Isn't that the proposed configuration for flight operations on the next  aircraft carrier?    --   Art Rice, Tandem Admin Special Data Processing Corp ----------------------------L All opinions are my own and do not reflect the views of the above mentioned 	 employer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:13:11 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>N Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org- Message-ID: <VA.000004d5.b9923ba7@bluewin.ch>   D In article <bW9TwrKrqoK$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Rob Young wrote:Z > In article <VA.000004d1.b42c0ee4@bluewin.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes: > Q > > Cynical response: With a recession now on (and that's now official in the US  Q > > according to the paper I was reading the other day), one could simply wait a  P > > couple of years or so until prices and wages hit rock bottom, then go for a 1 > > full port of everything to another platform.   > F >  But I think you are backwards.  Wages don't shrink over here duringE >  a recession, they just don't increase (i.e. last time this pinched F >  me... only time actually ... I got a 3% pay raise... I believe that
 >  was 1991).  > O Sorry Rob, but this side of the pond, things are rather different. Try changing O jobs and I think you'll find yourself looking at a substantial pay cut, and may O well have to relocate too. Try being unemployed (although I would not wish that C on anyone I know) for a few months and see what you'll then accept.   D >  Hardware decline in prices?  Somewhat.  But because of the bottomI >  line cost ($$$) , migrations normally don't occur during a contraction  >  in the economy. > N No? I'll assure you that plenty of UK companies did the VAX to Alpha migrationJ during a full blown recession, the likes of which, apparently, you haven't experienced. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2001 15:05:26 GMT & From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)N Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org% Message-ID: <9udfvm$otk@web.nmti.com>   ? In article <5Y9N7.54128$RG1.29120013@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com>, - Duane Sand <duane.sand@mindspring.com> wrote: : > For HP to unconditionally burn their PA-RISC bridges now9 > says something about their expectation about future IPF 6 > performance & schedules, based on far better insider" > information than the public has.  A That doesn't mean they've thrown their fate into the hands of the  IA64 team at Intel.   A They could just as well have decided to throw their fate into the " hands of the NT team at Microsoft.   --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything." L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2001 15:14:33 GMT & From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)N Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org% Message-ID: <9udggp$ppb@web.nmti.com>   3 In article <By3SEWQlq8KJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>, , Rob Young <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote:: > 	Past history is not an indicator of future performance.  D You do realise that this statement basically overturns the scientficE method, the industrial revolution, the enlightenment, the development F of iron, bronze, and flint-knapped tools, farming, astronomy, and justB about everything else that separates conscious, reasoning man from voiceless animals.  I Yes, I know that "Past history is not an indicator of future performance" H has become a cliche, but you do know what it really means, don't you? itK means "we're not actually promising that you'll make money, so if you don't H you can't sue us". It doesn't really mean what it says. Of *course* pastH history is an indication of future performance. If it wasn't, then thereF would be no point in bothering trying to make any kind of predictions," however tenuous, about the future.   --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything." L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2001 15:24:09 GMT & From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)N Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org% Message-ID: <9udh2p$qqb@web.nmti.com>   8 In article <mb670ugbbt9684e5et0kehgbfm1abtdtg2@4ax.com>,' Alan Greig  <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote: ? >                                  Take Windows Terminal Server A > (multi-user NT). We have a 4 processor Compaq box with 5 600Mhz E > Pentium processors which supports remote (dialup, WAN etc) login to B > the Windows desktop for up to 30 users. It barely stays up 24hrsF > without a mysterious crash and we force a reboot every night to helpD > things along. VMS was never this bad and even Unix left this stage > behind years and years ago.    Quite a lot of them.  E The EECS undergraduate computing facility at UCB in 1980 was a single I PDP-11/70 with 2M of RAM and three figures count of terminals multiplexed E to shared lines running all over the campus. It was still usable (for K 1980 levels of usable) with 35 users actually logged in, and woudl continue I to run (albeit painfully slowly) with 70. It was also being actively used H for UNIX kernel development during this time, and a good bit of 2BSD was created on it.  I NT (Windows 2000), given enough hardware, is a decent desktop. Not great, H but it's competant enough at the job that I'm not permanently pissed offH running it on my laptop like I was with Windows 95... though when it ateG itself over Thanksgiving after staying more or less stable for almost a J year (far beating any DOS-based Windows box I'd ever used) I did say a few@ things that would have been embarassing to have overheard... :->   --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything." L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Dec 2001 16:14:29 GMT & From: peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva)N Subject: Re: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at www.tru64.org% Message-ID: <9udk15$2r1@web.nmti.com>   . In article <rz7adx5pm9c.fsf@estephe.inria.fr>,/ Robert Harley  <harley@estephe.inria.fr> wrote: * > peter@abbnm.com (Peter da Silva) writes:K > > I think it's obvious that the gap in performance between Alpha and IA64 = > > is closing... given the current performance if IA64 [...]    > Wot, like this?   G Exactly. McKinley would have to be truly awful to not close *that* gap.    --  +  `-_-'   In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva. E   'U`    "A well-rounded geek should be able to geek about anything." L                                                        -- nicolai@esperi.org          Disclaimer: WWFD?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:52:47 +1100 * From: IsraelRT <israelrt@optushome.com.au>7 Subject: Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continues 8 Message-ID: <pqui0uk1gqvm3pn61bqpc888ccgu54abck@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 22:44:03 GMT, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote:  ? >  But they're trying to pretend that the decision wasn't based I >simply on their preferences (which I suspect might cause shareholders to J >start considering whether they might prefer management more interested inJ >turning a profit than in 'what they wanted to do') but instead had a good >business rationale behind it.     More conspiracy theories. : The men in the black helicopters are going to get you.....   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:56:56 +1100 * From: IsraelRT <israelrt@optushome.com.au>7 Subject: Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continues 8 Message-ID: <e2vi0ucf5dsoqu22vvlhvnv0g0llpfgav9@4ax.com>  , On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 23:46:56 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   I >The way we are seeing it, Compaq is killing yet another piece of Digital 
 >heritage   
 Heritage ? Aaah ! Bring back the vaccuum tubes !  E ( and the mercury delay line memories, it was definitely a management # conspiracy that got rid of them...)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:46:32 +1100 * From: IsraelRT <israelrt@optushome.com.au>7 Subject: Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continues 8 Message-ID: <neui0u8q39ucoqsh9deda59op0r4kr9mhc@4ax.com>  2 On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:43:02 -0800, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote:  M >I have to agree.  It's pointless now to bemoan the demise of the Alpha.  For L >all it's technical merit it didn't pull in enough dollars to remain viable.. >There's no guarantee the Itanium will either.  E Now that Compaq looks like going belly up soon ( under the impacts of D Michael Dell and the soon-to-be-aborted merger with HP ) it is all a bit academic anyway.   ------------------------------  ! Date: Sun, 02 Dec 01 13:10:48 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com 7 Subject: Re: the Compaq pseudo-technical spin continues + Message-ID: <9udgde$6fq$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   3 In article <EQjxwk2qYH$N@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 1    Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: ; >In article <3C0871F4.4090502@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble   <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > I >> Then you too might be more than a little sorry to see a 'good' product  >> discontinued? > B >The PDP-10 was a good product, but I am glad DEC switched to VAX.  : Which caused them to stop making money.  A VAX couldn't do; the work a PDP-10 did.  Talk to all of the ex-customers who 9 didn't buy a VAX or talk to the customers who were forced < to convert to a VAX from a PDP-10.  Don't forget to ask them: how many VAXes they had to buy to accomplish the same work that their PDP-10 did.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:47:21 +1100 * From: IsraelRT <israelrt@optushome.com.au> Subject: The demise of compaq 8 Message-ID: <cfui0uguh2kbfv5osu3sicrernlhhtunba@4ax.com>  2 On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:43:02 -0800, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote:  M >I have to agree.  It's pointless now to bemoan the demise of the Alpha.  ForiL >all it's technical merit it didn't pull in enough dollars to remain viable.. >There's no guarantee the Itanium will either.  E Now that Compaq looks like going belly up soon ( under the impacts of D Michael Dell and the soon-to-be-aborted merger with HP ) it is all a bit academic anyway.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 13:15:39 +0100I( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>6 Subject: Was: Special IPF-Inside Issue - now: Pay cuts- Message-ID: <VA.000004d6.b9cb6dc3@bluewin.ch>h  D In article <0j3OJO+19lvG@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Rob Young wrote:U > In article <9ub6bh$i4i$1@joe.rice.edu>, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:i0 > > Rob Young (young_r@encompasserve.org) wrote: > > : J > > :  But I think you are backwards.  Wages don't shrink over here duringI > > :  a recession, they just don't increase (i.e. last time this pinched?J > > :  me... only time actually ... I got a 3% pay raise... I believe that > > :  was 1991).  > > ::( > > There is evidence to the contrary... > > F > >    http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/01_49/b3760036.htmF > >    BW Online | December 3, 2001 | A "Jobless Recovery" Just Ahead? > >  > >   "DECEMBER 3, 2001 " > >    NEWS: ANALYSIS & COMMENTARY' > >    A "Jobless Recovery" Just Ahead?lB > >    Why unemployment may keep rising even after growth picks up > >    . > >    . > >    .K > >    WAGE CURBS. Another bit of bad news for spending: Unemployment seemsaJ > >    to be getting high enough to hold down wage growth. Richard Berner,I > >    chief U.S. economist at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co. estimates0F > >    that in the three months ending in October, wages and salaries,8 > >    adjusted for taxes, shrank at a 1.5% annual rate. > >    . > >    . > >    . > C >  Okay... I can handle that... someone that gets a pay raise of 3%.? >  should be breaking even.  The Social Security administrationaG >  typically hits that number as a cost of living number so is breakingtH >  even at a 3% raise.  To lose 1.5% seems to me that you would actuallyD >  get a 1.5% pay raise.  A raise that low in IT on this side of theD >  pond is *highly* unusual.  So that number you cite above includesJ >  all those True Truckers , Scientists, Carpenters and Dishwashers among  >  us. > G Rob, Please do me a favour and tap "pay cut" into the search engine at a www.theregister.co.ukr  N Look at the one entitled "Tech salaries tumble 6%", and wander around the rest0 of the results. 10% seems to be a common figure.  M Other research shows that contractors are facing anything between 10% and 20%CI pay cuts. So you're not a contractor and you feel immune? There are quiterR a lot of contractors in the market who arrived there by being made redundant from ? jobs which were previously considered safe. You are not immune,iK just a company takeover might change everything, especially in the light of  the Alphacide. ___o
 Paul Sture Switzerlandr   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:04:53 -0000, From: "Richard Maher" <maher_rj@hotmail.c*m>Y Subject: What's on in Perth? (Was: Special IPF-Inside Issue of Shannon Knows Compaq at wwa3 Message-ID: <9udc6p$q74$1@plutonium.btinternet.com>e   Hi,    ----- Original Message -----, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>   <snip>   >lF > From the people at the sessions, there will be virtually *NO* VMS in? > WA soon... And one of the survivers would really like to knowg2 > how to get their E10K plugged into their HSJ40s!  = Leaving UpNorth and DownSouth to one side, I remember it as:-m   1 Local Government Council 1 Property Trust' 1/2 (QV1 based) Mining company (SAPed?)- ? Australia Posts-   How bad can it get?0   Regards Richard Maher.   >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.iB >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.H > EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:23:32 +0100t2 From: Volker Kerkhoff <volker@kerkhoff.homeip.net>= Subject: Re: why not a communityDeveloped[tm] version of VMS?s2 Message-ID: <3C0A3964.2ED4D00@kerkhoff.homeip.net>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  > > VMS just works - where's the emotional satisfaction in that?   volker@pa:~ > uptime@   3:19pm  up 24 days,  7:08,  1 user,  load average: 0.26, 0.12, 0.04  @ So does my Linux box at home! Very emotionally unsatisfying if aB system works the way it's expected. Must absolutely agree with you ;-)t  A BTW, I work with VMS, just a bit, since its most "legacy systems"mD which are self-maintaining, well, almost, yet I am astonished at theB uniformity and consistency at command and management level, unseen anywhere in UNIX.    -- s Volker Kerkhoff7F > Weis jemand ob's den C-41 Prozess berall auf der Welt gibt? Auch in > Entwicklungslndern?  Klar, deshalb heissen sie ja so!   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.670 ************************