1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 06 Dec 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 678       Contents:$ Re: Alpha vs. Itanic:  facts vs. FUD Re: DCPS 1.1 for serial ports  Re: DCPS problem (not Urgent)  Re: DCPS problem Urgent  Re: DEC is DEAD  Re: DEC is DEAD  Re: DEC is DEAD N Re: Disaster Tolerance day organized by Compaq User Group Netherlands  (NLCUG)M Re: Disaster Tolerance day organized by Compaq User Group Netherlands (NLCUG) P Re: Disaster Tolerance day organized by Compaq User Group Netherlands (NLCUG) (N6 Re: Enabling the SWCC Command console LUN on an RA3000' Re: Example of server code using thread 3 Re: Help needed: FTP Server & PASV connection ports  Re: Re: HP OpenView and OpenVMS ( Re: Inquirer article on Compaq and Alpha, Re: Installing Icon permanently to CDE menu? Re: Linus' view on VMS
 LNC02 the end & Re: Memo:  Re: HP OpenView and OpenVMS# Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ? ' Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ? ' Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ? ' Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ? ' Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ? ' Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ? 0 Packard Foundation to hear merger recommendation Pager program for VMS Alpha  Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha  RE: Pager program for VMS Alpha  Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha  Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha  RE: Pager program for VMS Alpha  RE: Pager program for VMS Alpha  Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha  Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha  Re: PC connection  Re: PC connection  Re: PC connection  Re: PC connection  Re: PC connection # RE: Problem with the Info-VAX list?  Re: RECALL does not work Symbian model for VMS ? & Re: Testing software for OpenVMS/Alpha Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaqJ Re: VMS Effort (Was: Re: Microsoft Pyramid Collapses Enron and Hewlett Pac) Re: VMS marketing (advertising) sighting. ) Re: VMS marketing (advertising) sighting. ) Re: VMS marketing (advertising) sighting. < Walter Hewlitt and Friedman Fleischer and Lowe attack merger@ Re: Walter Hewlitt and Friedman Fleischer and Lowe attack merger/ Re: XML Test Problems & Java Performance Query. / Re: XML Test Problems & Java Performance Query.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2001 16:34:27 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> - Subject: Re: Alpha vs. Itanic:  facts vs. FUD H Message-ID: <y4y9kguzuk.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>   jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:   J > >They didn't "buy Alpha".  They wanted the services businees of Digital,/ > >but Alpha was a mandatory part of the deal.  B > Do you know why it was mandatory?  I never understood that part.  N Would the DEC BOD and shareholders been so stupid to allow Palmer to sell onlyB DEC Services to Compaq? Neither part could have survived for long.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:58:06 -0500 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>& Subject: Re: DCPS 1.1 for serial ports; Message-ID: <061220011158069041%paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>   4 In article <3C0ED84C.490918D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:   L > I have DCPS V1.1 on VAX-VMS driving a single postscript printer via serial > port.  > M > I remembered some sort of text about having hardware flow control to enable P > binary postscript. I finally got around to making the wire between the vax andP > the printer full modem control. But low and behold, I find that DCPS no longer2 > seesm to have any options for binary postscript.  E I don't think it ever did.  DCPS doesn't care whether your file is in E regular PostScript or binary PostScript.  Not all printers understand E binary PostScript.  It is not often used today, as it was mostly used . to maximize performance on a slow serial line.  O > Also, I traced the stuff going to the printer and found out that DCPS sends a N > whole lot of "crud" prior to sending my postscript code. Is there some magicM > incantation or logical that would result in DCPS just testing to see if the L > printer is ready and if so, then send my code to it without surrounding it= > with all the crud that gets sent before and after the job ?   F No.  If you don't want the "crud" (or elegant PostScript, depending onF your point of view) use a symbiont that just sends your file, like LPR or Telnet, or PRTSMB.   L > In particular, if I print 5 pages on 5 pieces of paper, the job never endsO > until I put a 6th piece of paper so that the printer will accept all the crud P > that DCPS adds after my job (thinking it will be another page). Has anyone had > that problem too ?  D Will there be another page, such as a trailer page?  If not, perhapsC the printer senses a paper out condition and sends an error message E back to DCPS.  But I would expect the paper out error to happen after ? DCPS has happily printed all five pages and completed its work.   H > I am curious as to the implications of my print file having the properO > Postscript Document Structure Convention commentsat the top and end, but DCPS H > adding lots of crud before and after my data. Doesn't that confuse the > printer ?   C The "crud" is a result of DCPS features such as persistently-loaded E PostScript code, checking to see if the paper size you have requested F is in the tray you requested and so on.  It's not meant to confuse the printer.  L > Finally, I finally found out that the large delay before the job prints isM > spent entirely waiting for the DCPS crud before my job. There seems to be a M > fair amount of time between each of the modules in DCPS$LIBRARY get sent to C > the printer prior to my job. Is there a way to make this faster ?   @ There is more "crud" at the beginning of the first job after theG printer has been power-cycled due to the sending of persistently-loaded F PostScript code.  The second and subsequent jobs don't contain as much "crud".   ? The only way to make it faster is to increase the baud rate, if F possible, get a faster printer or not use DCPS.  You could also review@ the release notes for DCPS versions between V1.1 and the current? version, V2.0, to see if any enhancements or fixes would help a  serially-connected printer.    Paul   Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:49:42 +0100 7 From: Alain Chappuis <alain.chappuis@medecine.unige.ch> & Subject: Re: DCPS problem (not Urgent)1 Message-ID: <3C0F8586.CFB3B01C@medecine.unige.ch>    Hello,   Paul Anderson a crit :   F > You could collect a DCPS "diag" file that might give me a clue as to > what is happening.  @ I resolved the problem :-) it was the serial cable which did not work.   D But a second problem: the printer with lost the protocol postscript,  even after plugged the cartrige.C Impossible by the printer menu to select this protocol, I dont know  why...it's a mistery.   A Now, I completly changed the protocol method and I use the direct  queue connection: B Terminal queue PRBFM, idle, on UGCMUB::TTB0:, mounted form DEFAULT
 without DCPS.   ( Thank you with all those which answered. Alain. --  D  +----------------------+------------------------------------------+D  | Alain Chappuis       | Responsable: E-mail; cmu.unige.ch        |D  | Analyste             | WEB    : www.medecine, ebn, jid, Sifm    |D  | Universite de Geneve | E-mail : Alain.Chappuis@unige.ch         |D  | Centre Medical Univ. | Phone  : +41 (22) [70]25.073             |D  | 1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX    : +41 (22) 347.33.34 ou 702.58.58 |K  | CH-1211 Geneve 4     | http://ebn.unige.ch/www/alain.html       |        D  +----------------------+------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:22:52 +0100 7 From: Alain Chappuis <alain.chappuis@medecine.unige.ch>   Subject: Re: DCPS problem Urgent0 Message-ID: <3C0F2ADC.1020803@medecine.unige.ch>   Paul Anderson wrote:  B > In article <3C0CFEB7.DBCDF6E1@medecine.unige.ch>, Alain Chappuis+ > <alain.chappuis@medecine.unige.ch> wrote:  >  > 	 >>I used:  >> >>stop/queue/next printer  >>delete/queue printer >>@sys$startup:dcps$startup.com  >> >>after them the queue is ready  >>1 >>but nothing to do and allways the same message!  >> > F > Do you have another printer you can use?  If so, do you have similar > problems on that printer?     B No, this is the single printer with DCPS connected on this system.     > F > You could collect a DCPS "diag" file that might give me a clue as to > what is happening.     Okay,   / I made a tests and I will give you the results.        > Paul       Thank you again Paul.      Alain. --  E   +----------------------+------------------------------------------+ E   | Alain Chappuis       | Responsable: E-mail; cmu.unige.ch        | E   | Analyste             | WEB    : www.medecine, ebn, jid, Sifm    | E   | Universite de Geneve | E-mail : Alain.Chappuis@unige.ch         | E   | Centre Medical Univ. | Phone  : +41 (22) [70]25.073             | E   | 1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX    : +41 (22) 347.33.34 ou 702.58.58 | E   | CH-1211 Geneve 4     | http://ebn.unige.ch/www/alain.html       | E   +----------------------+------------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:58:29 +0000 ( From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: DEC is DEAD) Message-ID: <3C0F4F55.98B4EC5A@127.0.0.1>    Bob Koehler wrote:F > > And there are still ligimate uses for vacuum tubes (valves) today. > >  > G >    Just try to get out a TV signal over more than a mile without one.   F I was lucky enough during the early (very early!) 1980's to get a look8 around the Winterhill TV transmitter. A main UK station.( http://www.bolton.org.uk/winterhill.html  
 ERP 500 kW  C The tubes they used only kick out about 20 kW into a dustbin shaped = thing that is supposed to fix the SWR when combining signals.   D They guy told us they had little inspection holes, we saw the valvesC glowing, but they drifted slightly off frequency if they opened the  metal cabs!   A Time may be limited now Sky Digital (satellite) are carrying ITV1  Granada* and ITV2.  * Assume your local ITV service.   --  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2001 13:44:39 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  Subject: Re: DEC is DEADH Message-ID: <y43d2o8qmg.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  3 bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:   G > Bad example.  I don't know of any local ATV system that doesn't use a H > solid-state (MOSFET) final and I would imagine the same is true of the > commercial stations as well.  - High-power stations still use TWT, I imagine.    	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2001 17:45:12 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: DEC is DEAD, Message-ID: <9uoar8$1g01$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  H In article <y43d2o8qmg.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>,J  Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:6 |> bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: |>  J |> > Bad example.  I don't know of any local ATV system that doesn't use aK |> > solid-state (MOSFET) final and I would imagine the same is true of the ! |> > commercial stations as well.  |>  0 |> High-power stations still use TWT, I imagine. |>  < I stand corrected.  All this talk made me curious so I tried= looking for Eimac on the web.  They are happily plugging away > making vacuum tube power amplifiers just like always.  I guess> that like the live music profession some things are still best) done with what seems like old technology.    bill [KB3YV]    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:42:28 +0100, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>W Subject: Re: Disaster Tolerance day organized by Compaq User Group Netherlands  (NLCUG) * Message-ID: <9uo3pa$bbq$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  G I am sorry about that. I don't know how to control the wrapping of news  readers.   Bart  8 "Brendan Welch" <brendan_welch@uml.edu> wrote in message! news:3C0F8328.2D93123C@uml.edu...  > Bart Zorn wrote: > > K > > As a follow-on, the presentations of the Disaster Tolerance day are now  on > > L http://www.nlcug.nl/Download/NLCUG-29nov2001/nlcug_event_29-november_2001.ht > > m  > >  > > Regards, > > 
 > > Bart Zorn  > C > CLICKING on the above address fails, at least for me, because the ! > final "m" did not get included.  > --A > Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell,  > W1LPG    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 15:28:58 +0100, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>V Subject: Re: Disaster Tolerance day organized by Compaq User Group Netherlands (NLCUG)* Message-ID: <9unvfh$gvr$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  J As a follow-on, the presentations of the Disaster Tolerance day are now onL http://www.nlcug.nl/Download/NLCUG-29nov2001/nlcug_event_29-november_2001.ht m    Regards,  	 Bart Zorn    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:39:36 -0500 + From: Brendan Welch <brendan_welch@uml.edu> Y Subject: Re: Disaster Tolerance day organized by Compaq User Group Netherlands (NLCUG) (N ' Message-ID: <3C0F8328.2D93123C@uml.edu>    Bart Zorn wrote: > L > As a follow-on, the presentations of the Disaster Tolerance day are now onN > http://www.nlcug.nl/Download/NLCUG-29nov2001/nlcug_event_29-november_2001.ht > m  > 
 > Regards, >  > Bart Zorn   A CLICKING on the above address fails, at least for me, because the  final "m" did not get included.  --? Brendan Welch, system analyst, Univ. of Massachusetts - Lowell,  W1LPG    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2001 02:30:59 -0800 6 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)? Subject: Re: Enabling the SWCC Command console LUN on an RA3000 = Message-ID: <58ba0101.0112060230.41b74455@posting.google.com>    Hi,   B Thanks for your response, but I do not seem to be able to find outF where to even set it to floating, or fixed. When I do a SHOW DEVICE, I" do not see any additional devices.   Thanks Andrew  e "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de> wrote in message news:<3C0CEFCB.8020303@arcormail.de>... ? > AFAIK you can only determine if you want a fixed or floating  K > communications lun. If you do a SHOW DEVI D on the VMS prompt you'll see  K > one more drive than you've bought. This is the communications device you  I > are recommended to do your SET HOST/SCSI to. It's number is related to   > the communications LUN.  >  > Thomas >  > Andrew Rycroft wrote:  >  > > Hi,  > > G > > I have an RA3000 connected to a system with OpenVMS. I am trying to A > > set up the SWCC, and the H22CONFIG procuedure asks me for the E > > communications LUN. I cannot find any doucmentatin on how this is J > > enabled. I have been through all the screens on the serially connectedJ > > console, and the SWCC help does not cover this eiterh. It is certainlyD > > not there enabled currently as all I can see from OpenVMS is the5 > > RAIDset I have configured. Any input appreciated.  > > 
 > > Thanks
 > > Andrew > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 07:58:44 -0500   From: Binh Nguyen <binh@egh.com>0 Subject: Re: Example of server code using thread' Message-ID: <3C0F6B84.3462440F@egh.com>    Ruslan,     Thanks.  I'll take a look.  Binh   "Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote: > E > http://StarLet.DeltaTel.RU/~laishev/nntp/*.* - it's a multithreaded 1 > application, probaly you can use it as example.  >  > Binh Nguyen wrote: > >  > > Rushlan, > > S > > I need to write a server that will listen on port 443 (secure port) for client. O > > When a client wants to talk, I'll spun a thread to listen to the port whileDS > > the original thread process the request.  The number of clients could be in theD? > > thousands!  None of the threads need to talk to each other.  > >C > > Binh > >n > > "Ruslan R. Laishev" wrote: > > > 
 > > > Hi !( > > >         What is your primary task? > > >p > > > Binh Nguyen wrote: > > > > U > > > > Hi,  is there any sample server code using thread that I can take a look at ?aU > > > > I've downloaded the http server written by David Jones, but there's not a lottS > > > > of documentation.  Any help would be appreciated.  BTW, I'd be writing thise > > > > in either C or basic.V > > > >o > > > > Thanks.  Binhe > > >n > > > -- > > > Cheers, Ruslan.oJ > > > +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+A > > >       RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.radiusvms.comS> > > >         vms-isps@dls.net - Forum for ISP running OpenVMS0 > > >                  Mobile: +7 (901) 971-3222G > > >    TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RUi > >I > > -- > >  > > Binh Nguyene > >  > > E-mail: binh@egh.com > > Phone :(781)861-0670 > > Fax   :(781)860-9321  > > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.* > > 55 Waltham Street, Lexington, MA 02421 >  > -- > Cheers, Ruslan.oF > +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+= >       RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.radiusvms.como: >         vms-isps@dls.net - Forum for ISP running OpenVMS, >                  Mobile: +7 (901) 971-3222C >    TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RUA   --     Binh Nguyene   E-mail: binh@egh.com Phone :(781)861-0670 n Fax   :(781)860-9321 Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.& 55 Waltham Street, Lexington, MA 02421   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:19:51 GMTh- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)e< Subject: Re: Help needed: FTP Server & PASV connection ports0 Message-ID: <3c0fa888.54400423@news.process.com>  C On Tue, 04 Dec 2001 04:38:19 GMT, adroso@home.com (VLC User) wrote:t  E >TCP/IP is version V5.0 and there is no SET PASSIVE option.  I assume G >V5.1 and above has this, eh?  Other than upgrading to V5.1+, are thereH >any other things I can do?  > D Install MGFTP; it supports passive mode and runs on any TCP/IP stack on VMS.e  5 ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/mgftp.zip-   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/69 goathunter@goatley.com     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:54:48 +0100$ From: "tez" <tezendam@vxcompany.com>( Subject: Re: Re: HP OpenView and OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <3c0f4eb1$0$225$4d4ebb8e@news.nl.uu.net>   Paul,a  K while ago I was snmp-ing on VMS myself and found the TCPIP_SNMP_PROGRAMMINGeL manual very handy. Try it. All TCP/IP manuals are in PDF and HTML on the VMS 7.3 doc CD or on the web.r   tezs  ) <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com> wrote in message ? news:OF86FCC827.F2463C30-ON80256B19.005F271A@systems.uk.hsbc.... >  > <snip> >-9 > >  $   snmp_trapsnd == "$SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SNMP_TRAPSND"  > >usage is C > >snmp_trapsnd enterprise agent-address generic specific timeticks I > >[-v version] [-c community] [-h host] [-p port] [-tcp] {variable [type 
 > >value]} >CJ > very interesting.... Is there anywhere I can get doc on how to use this? > 
 > Many thanks  >1 > Paul >  >v >  >i) > ** HSBC's website is at www.hsbc.com **  > F > ********************************************************************D >  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryD >  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also@ >  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,: >  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsE >  attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleasepD >  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from >  your system.  > ? >  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure or C >  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, @ >  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does notA >  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context ofiA >  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.h >sE >  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and @ >  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office> >  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearlyB >  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so5 >  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.  >pF > ********************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2001 16:32:41 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>i1 Subject: Re: Inquirer article on Compaq and AlphaIH Message-ID: <y41yi8wehy.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ( "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:  M > Those who think Compaq is mindlessly in bed with Microsoft should take notenM > of Capellas's keynote at Oracle OpenWorld.  Based on my experience over theeI > last 2 years with CETS planning it appears to that Compaq has adopted ah1 > triangulation policy with Microsoft and Oracle.o  J Microsoft and Oracle are complementary to a box shifter such as Compaq. InK that sense, Capellas has reduced options and alternatives even more for hisk	 company. i  < Reducing options without need is usually seen as a bad move.   	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2001 09:25:58 GMTl3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)t5 Subject: Re: Installing Icon permanently to CDE menu? 0 Message-ID: <9undj6$ni2$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  b In article <9ukmuu$s05@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, vance@alumni.caltech.edu (Vance R. Haemmerle) writes:1 >In article <9u5dog$od0$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,a5 >Christoph Gartmann <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote: I >>>  Doing this should change the file [.DT.SESSIONS]DTWMFP.SESSION underdP >>>your login directory.  Is this directory or file not writable and/or not haveO >>>delete prot?  I seem to remember a patch to Motif (earlier version 1.2-3 andtI >>>1.2-4 or so) that fixed a session update problem because of directory i >>>protection. >>Q >>The file and the directories are owned by me and the protections are all right.iP >>Nevertheless the contents of the file doesn't change although the modificationO >>date gets modified. But it contains only four lines with a single digit each.  >,) >  I bet those four lines are 0, 0, 0, 1?h   You are right!  J >In my file the third number is the number of items I've added to the menuI >followed by that many lines of info which contain a path pointing to the K >action file each ending in .fp in the [.DT.TYPES.FP_DYNAMIC] directory and 0 >some other info like what subpanel they belong. >aG >  Do you have a [.DT.TYPES.FP_DYNAMIC] subdirectory?  Is it writeable?n  & Yes it is. I think I'll open a call...   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanno  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2001 16:12:16 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>h Subject: Re: Linus' view on VMSvH Message-ID: <y44rn4wffz.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  " John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:  E > (eofblock-1)*512+ffb, but this would only by slightly more accurate| > than blocks*512.  G I believe this is incorrect for ffb=0, in which case the -1 is dropped.- Or somesuch.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 14:31:13 +0100m- From: Serge ZANGHERI <serge.zangheri@sema.fr>r Subject: LNC02 the end' Message-ID: <3C0E21A1.22B2895F@sema.fr>d  + I found the pb between LNC02 and DCPS 1.0c.@8 I didn t need to install the last version of DCPS (2.0).) The params of DCPS don t have any effect. H Just config the LNC02  End Job Mode parameter to none and the printer is
 working well.  Thanx to all Sergeq   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:33:40 GMT>= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) / Subject: Re: Memo:  Re: HP OpenView and OpenVMSo0 Message-ID: <00A061A8.67F958B6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  d In article <OF86FCC827.F2463C30-ON80256B19.005F271A@systems.uk.hsbc>, paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com writes: >a ><snip>  > 8 >>  $   snmp_trapsnd == "$SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$SNMP_TRAPSND"
 >>usage isB >>snmp_trapsnd enterprise agent-address generic specific timeticksH >>[-v version] [-c community] [-h host] [-p port] [-tcp] {variable [type	 >>value]}s >sI >very interesting.... Is there anywhere I can get doc on how to use this?w >e >Many thanks >  >Paul     Q http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73FINAL/6530/6530pro_004.html#trapsnd_rvc_progM --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM|             J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:48:52 -0500e From: Richard <no@mail.com> , Subject: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ?8 Message-ID: <0p4v0uc8j0sade505p0rvfhjemslvlvrs4@4ax.com>  > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****   Can this be done ?  VMS 7.1   / I've tried mounting /over=id and still no luck.o  B I really don't want to re-init, but fear that may be the only way.  F -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=D  *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! ***+                       http://www.usenet.com F -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2001 17:15:05 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>i0 Subject: Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ?H Message-ID: <y4snaouxyu.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>   Richard <no@mail.com> writes:    > Can this be done ?  VMS 7.1m1 > I've tried mounting /over=id and still no luck.-  G You can't if you can't mount it. And if your privileges don't allow yougG to mount it, then you can't. Makes sense from a security point of view,i	 you know.s  . What, precisely, are you trying to achieve...?   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:16:54 -0500 5 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com>s0 Subject: Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ?2 Message-ID: <pZkPPGCASANresGa6wAsWnWnNuz1@4ax.com>  4 You might be able to do it by SET VOLUME /OWNER_UIC.   David R. Beatty   @ On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:48:52 -0500, Richard <no@mail.com> wrote:  ? >**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****i >E >Can this be done ?  VMS 7.1 >f0 >I've tried mounting /over=id and still no luck. >.C >I really don't want to re-init, but fear that may be the only way.n >oG >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=lE > *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! ***l, >                      http://www.usenet.comG >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:30:16 -0500g From: Richard <no@mail.com>.0 Subject: Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ?8 Message-ID: <dkav0u4ffmf2rl227812du82mjfa9ruhtb@4ax.com>  > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****  F Let me clarify.  I have privs.  I was able to mount/over=id, but still6 couldn't set the ownership because the file is locked.    . On 06 Dec 2001 17:15:05 +0100, Jan Vorbrueggen8 <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> wrote:   >Richard <no@mail.com> writes: >  >> Can this be done ?  VMS 7.12 >> I've tried mounting /over=id and still no luck. >.H >You can't if you can't mount it. And if your privileges don't allow youH >to mount it, then you can't. Makes sense from a security point of view,
 >you know. > / >What, precisely, are you trying to achieve...?G >  >	Jan-    F -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=D  *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! ***+                       http://www.usenet.comeF -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 12:32:55 -0500  From: Richard <no@mail.com>N0 Subject: Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ?8 Message-ID: <fsav0u451s2v2n8kesfunn4kdeh662kh18@4ax.com>  > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****  H That didn't work.  It did set the volume owner, but had no effect on the, indexf.sys.  Any other suggestions or ideas?   Thanks.-    0 On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:16:54 -0500, David Beatty) <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote:m   > 5 >You might be able to do it by SET VOLUME /OWNER_UIC.  >r >David R. Beatty >LA >On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:48:52 -0500, Richard <no@mail.com> wrote:  > @ >>**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** >> >>Can this be done ?  VMS 7.1n >>1 >>I've tried mounting /over=id and still no luck.Z >>D >>I really don't want to re-init, but fear that may be the only way. >>H >>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=F >> *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! ***- >>                      http://www.usenet.comrH >>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=    F -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=D  *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! ***+                       http://www.usenet.comeF -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 13:08:43 -0500- From: Richard <no@mail.com>00 Subject: Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ?8 Message-ID: <nvcv0u4v5c78vrq6j27dd5kk7pblvt5hfj@4ax.com>  > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com ****  = A little more research says it can't be done with native VMS.e  F http://www.decus.org/encompass/libcatalog/document_html/vs0174_15.html  M This page points to a utility that will do what I want, but the link is dead.h  5 Anyone have a copy of CHOWN  or know of a valid link?d      0 On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:16:54 -0500, David Beatty) <David.Beatty@qwertysasasdfgh.com> wrote:    >a5 >You might be able to do it by SET VOLUME /OWNER_UIC.  >W >David R. Beatty >oA >On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:48:52 -0500, Richard <no@mail.com> wrote:c >u@ >>**** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** >> >>Can this be done ?  VMS 7.1  >>1 >>I've tried mounting /over=id and still no luck.c >>D >>I really don't want to re-init, but fear that may be the only way. >>H >>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=F >> *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! ***- >>                      http://www.usenet.comnH >>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=    F -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=D  *** Usenet.com - The #1 Usenet Newsgroup Service on The Planet! ***+                       http://www.usenet.comhF -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:05:00 GMT:# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 9 Subject: Packard Foundation to hear merger recommendationn< Message-ID: <wOLP7.11063$pa1.4655180@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  ( Consultants hold key to HP-Compaq merger 12/05/01 12:35 PMt Source: News.com URL:J http://investor.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-8077654-0.html  I Advisers to the David and Lucile Packard Foundation are scheduled to meetr= with the organization's board Friday to discuss the merits ofnH Hewlett-Packard's proposed merger with Compaq Computer--a meeting that'sL expected to greatly influence how HP's single largest shareholder will vote.L Consulting firm Booz-Allen & Hamilton, which advises the Packard Foundation,K is scheduled to give an update and possibly a final report on the HP-Compaq 5 merger, which was first announced in early September.   K The foundation, which holds a 10.4 percent stake in HP, is expected to vote L on the issue anytime between Friday and early January, said George Vera, theI foundation's chief financial officer. HP executives are also meeting withe# foundation board members this week.r  K Analysts say the foundation's vote may determine the success of the merger,lJ which has already seen opposition from several members of both the Hewlett and Packard families.S  L Walter Hewlett, son of co-founder William Hewlett and an HP board member whoJ initially voted in favor of the deal, plans to vote against the merger--asH do his sisters, his family foundation and trust. The Hewletts hold a 6.6 percent stake in the company.   K David Packard, son of HP co-founder David Packard, said his own foundation, E the Packard Humanities Institute, plans to vote its 1.3 percent stakee against the deal.4  K These two family groups represent roughly a 7.9 percent stake in HP. If you-K add a "no" vote by the Packard Foundation--with its 10.4 percent stake--andiJ assume that 25 percent of individual shareholders who vote will oppose theG deal, then the company will need a whopping 61 percent of institutionaleE investors to vote in favor of the deal for it to pass, estimated Joel 6 Wagonfeld, an analyst with Banc of America Securities.  I But should the Packard Foundation vote in favor of the deal, then only 42-K percent of institutional investors will need to approve the deal, Wagonfeldo said.r% .........etc...read the article......:    K Placing my vested interest hat on for a moment, and analyzing the deal from4" my VMS & Alpha/Itanic perspective:K 1) I could care less if VMS runs on Alpha or Itanic...as long as I was 100%nJ certain that Itanic was going to offer similar or higher perfomance at theK same or lower costs over the next 15-20 years. We lived through this beforeoK with the VAX - Alpha transition. (recent IBM fab announcements make me wish 3 that the Alpha was to be further developed by them)r  @ 2) As long as VMS was continued to be AGGRESSIVLEY developed andG AGGRESSIVLEY marketed for some stated finite period of time (minimum 10/K years from date of merger), plus an additional 5 years (minimum) of support+I beyond that, I could support the merger. However, I would not, and do notdK trust the current executive management of Compaq to have any involvement inh this.   F 3) The silence from HP and Compaq on these matters has been deafening.  I 4) My intent is to inform both the Comapq and HP board, and as many largeoI shareholders as possible that the mreger cannot have my support under the  current circumstances.  I My company has nearly 20 years invested in OpenVMS skill sets and relatedpI applications, and an aggregate investment of millions of dollars (we're aeI small company - your investment is probably much larger than ours). If wenG are forced to switch to unix and, by extension, forced to write-off ouriJ OpenVMS investment, my company will NEVER, EVER, buy a single product fromI HP/Compaq again. And I will recommend that all our customers do likewise.c  I If HP/Compaq think that they can buy us off with promises of discounts on*L equipment in the future to 'assist' in the transition from OpenVMS to HP/UX,K all I have to say to that is I am sure that IBM/Sun would be happy to matchvH those discounts to get my business, and I'd be happy to accept them from4 IBM/Sun, two companies that did not betray my trust.  J The only circumstance under which I would condone the death of OpenVMS is,H if as a condition of the merger, that a $5 billion (cash) trust fund wasK established at the time of the merger to fund OpenVMS customers applicationeI migration. This trust fund would NOT have any HP/Compaq representation on I the Board of Trustees - rather the trustees would be OpenVMS users from a I variety of current customers of all types & sizes (financial, healthcare,sE manufacturing, lottery, etc...), who at their discretion, at the timeeI OpenVMS termination was formally announced, would determine a formula forCL the disbursement of funds from the trust to affected OpenVMS users forced toI migrate to unix. The distribution would probably skewed a small amount in H favor of smaller customers whose IT budgets and lower rate of technologyK turnover would be more adversely afffected by such an event. The purpose of-K the fund would be to finance unix training and application porting. I wouldjI expect the money from the trust fund in ADDITION to significant 'loyalty'i: discounts HP/Compaq should offer on hardware and licenses.  I Since the various Packard foundations own so much HP stock, I urge you toiJ contact them asap (the Booz-Allen report is due to be presented tomorrow).C Make your concerns know. The management of those foundations are in K communication with other institutions who own HP/Compaq stock. If you don'tmH think your voice will be heard by your pension fund, the various Packard9 foundations voice will. Use them as a proxy to get heard.h   Richard T. Schlosberg IIIa President & CEOd' The David and Lucile Packard Foundationi 300 Second Street, Suite 200 Los Altos, California 94022s  L r.schlosberg@packard.org     <-- can't guarantee this is correct, though the0 address is in the usual form the Foundation uses   Phone: (650) 917-7241c Fax: (650) 941-7320n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:52:53 GMTd* From: Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net>$ Subject: Pager program for VMS Alpha/ Message-ID: <3C0F5C10.2ACD2348@telusplanet.net>@  F Does anyone know of a freeware procedure to page out over a serial LTAA PORT connected to a modem line.  On a VAX I inherited, there is a.G PAGE.COM and PAGER.EXE which performs this function.  I tried to 'vest'rC PAGER.EXE, but encountered errors.  I suspect the source program iso9 written in C, but I have been unable to find it anywhere.x   -- Leen   lytmah@cha.ab.ca Capital Health Authority   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2001 12:04:01 GMTe3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)e( Subject: Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha0 Message-ID: <9unmrh$qv5$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  \ In article <3C0F5C10.2ACD2348@telusplanet.net>, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes:G >Does anyone know of a freeware procedure to page out over a serial LTA'B >PORT connected to a modem line.  On a VAX I inherited, there is aH >PAGE.COM and PAGER.EXE which performs this function.  I tried to 'vest'D >PAGER.EXE, but encountered errors.  I suspect the source program is: >written in C, but I have been unable to find it anywhere.   You may try 7    http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/groups/gartmann/phone.zip   N It consists of two programs, one to record a voice message and one to play it.J It works with an Elsa Microlink voicemodem. I didn't get any feedback fromI people who downloaded it, so I can't tell whether it will do with similar  modems.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:01:49 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>( Subject: RE: Pager program for VMS Alpha- Message-ID: <0033000043913107000002L072*@MHS>o  : =0AIt depends on what type of information you're trying to	 send out.e  9 If you're only looking to send simple numeric informationa2 you can try doing something with SET HOST/DTE/DIAL but YMMV significantly..   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETe) Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 6:56 AMnB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET$ Subject: Pager program for VMS Alpha    F Does anyone know of a freeware procedure to page out over a serial LTAA PORT connected to a modem line.  On a VAX I inherited, there is anH PAGE.COM and PAGER.EXE which performs this function.  I tried to 'vest'=  C PAGER.EXE, but encountered errors.  I suspect the source program is79 written in C, but I have been unable to find it anywhere.i   -- Leew   lytmah@cha.ab.ca Capital Health Authority==   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 15:29:33 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>c( Subject: Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha< Message-ID: <x9MP7.11072$pa1.4676544@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  E Working from dim, distant memory here...there used to be a company innI Calgary/Edmonton (think they also wrote a program called 'Hitman') that I5: believe had such a program - modestly priced ($600-$1000).  / Does anyone know if they are still in business?o    7 "Lee Y T Mah" <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote in messagel) news:3C0F5C10.2ACD2348@telusplanet.net...lH > Does anyone know of a freeware procedure to page out over a serial LTA! > PORT connected to a modem line.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:31:59 -0500d# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>s( Subject: Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha+ Message-ID: <3C0F8F6F.1AB5D766@hsc.vcu.edu>s  F hhmm.. i have a Kermit script somewhere that is supposed to do that.. G can't look for it now, tho, but it's somewhere..  it may even be on thet Kermit website.a   jime   Lee Y T Mah wrote: > H > Does anyone know of a freeware procedure to page out over a serial LTAC > PORT connected to a modem line.  On a VAX I inherited, there is a I > PAGE.COM and PAGER.EXE which performs this function.  I tried to 'vest'=E > PAGER.EXE, but encountered errors.  I suspect the source program is6; > written in C, but I have been unable to find it anywhere.. >  > -- > Leeu >  > lytmah@cha.ab.ca > Capital Health Authority   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:43:53 -0500* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>( Subject: RE: Pager program for VMS Alpha- Message-ID: <0033000043930416000002L062*@MHS>k   =0A$ help hitman support     HITMAN  	   Supporti         SAIGA SYSTEMSg     #215, 801 - 6th Street SWM     Calgary, Alberta, Canada     T2P 3V8        Phone:  (800) 561 8876             (403) 263 1151     Fax:    (403) 263 0744     Email:  support@saiga.com0             sales@saiga.comr     WWW:    www.saiga.comt     FTP:    ftp.saiga.comu8     list-server:        send e-mail to hitman@saiga.com,        message should be:N     -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETB* Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:33 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET( Subject: RE: Pager program for VMS Alpha    E Working from dim, distant memory here...there used to be a company in.H Calgary/Edmonton (think they also wrote a program called 'Hitman') that=  I: believe had such a program - modestly priced ($600-$1000).  / Does anyone know if they are still in business?w    7 "Lee Y T Mah" <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote in messaget) news:3C0F5C10.2ACD2348@telusplanet.net...-H > Does anyone know of a freeware procedure to page out over a serial LT= A-" > PORT connected to a modem line.=   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 11:12:10 -0500> From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@lexisnexis.com>( Subject: RE: Pager program for VMS AlphaM Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D016025E3@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>e  F They are still in business. Saiga's Hitman is a good reliable program.  D But I think it is Ergonomic Solutions with their VMS paging product @ called RamPage is what folks might be thinking of in the way of I paging.  At my site, we use both Hitman and RamPage.  Both are excellent gF products, and both have very good support IMHO, but they are not free.  They are reasonably priced IMHO.  C Kevin Barkes article http://www.kgb.com/dcl/199404.txt speaks abouteD BEEPER.COM and RamPage.  Ergonomic Solutions contact info is at the   bottom of Kevin Barkes article.    :) jck  A "My opinions are my own, and in no way represent my employer(s)."U   -----Original Message-----( From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]* Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 10:30 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com=( Subject: Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha    E Working from dim, distant memory here...there used to be a company incI Calgary/Edmonton (think they also wrote a program called 'Hitman') that I4: believe had such a program - modestly priced ($600-$1000).  / Does anyone know if they are still in business?d    7 "Lee Y T Mah" <lytmah@telusplanet.net> wrote in messagen) news:3C0F5C10.2ACD2348@telusplanet.net... H > Does anyone know of a freeware procedure to page out over a serial LTA! > PORT connected to a modem line.w   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 14:50:17 GMT 3 From: sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com (Bradford J. Hamilton)0( Subject: Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha. Message-ID: <JALP7.14$M3.29@news-srv1.fmr.com>   Hi Lee,*  ; Here is a different approach that you might be able to use.n  H Are the pagers SKYTEL pages, for instance?  If so, then you could have aK batch job trigger an e-mail to 12345678@skytel.net (replace "12345678" with=R the pager's PIN number).  The e-mail text could contain whatever message, warning,N or alert you wish to transmit.  I know of companies that use this technique toQ notify on-call personnel of problems with a batch production cycle, for instance.=@ If the job fails, it sends e-mail to the on-call person's pager.   HTH, Brad  \ In article <3C0F5C10.2ACD2348@telusplanet.net>, Lee Y T Mah <lytmah@telusplanet.net> writes:G >Does anyone know of a freeware procedure to page out over a serial LTA-B >PORT connected to a modem line.  On a VAX I inherited, there is aH >PAGE.COM and PAGER.EXE which performs this function.  I tried to 'vest'D >PAGER.EXE, but encountered errors.  I suspect the source program is: >written in C, but I have been unable to find it anywhere. >i >--m >Lee >r >lytmah@cha.ab.ca  >Capital Health Authorityt >/ >w     Bradford J. Hamilton  bradhamilton@mediaone.net	(home) sy18889@rabbit.fmr.com		(work)  ; "All opinions that I express are my own, not my employer's"v   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:50:20 +01001= From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com>o( Subject: Re: Pager program for VMS Alpha) Message-ID: <3C0FA1CC.9EC29E82@dummy.com>t   Regarding "paging" people...  9 Most mobile operatiors also run email based SMS services.o8 At least in sweden, paging (Minicall i Sweden) have more- or less been replaced by SMS based messaging.m  4 *Personaly* I prefer the passive, low power, mode of6 pagers. You can be reachable without carrying around a> microwave sender (also called "mobile phones") all the time...   Jan-Erik Sderholm.e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:17:53 -0600+ From: "David Lee" <teamosan@inet.att.co.kr>= Subject: Re: PC connection+ Message-ID: <9un58h$h02$1@news2.kornet.net>=  G On my VMS side, TCP/IP Services is already installed.  In addition, alle these services like L ftp, telnet, nfs, etc. are enabled too.  After hooking up the RJ-45 cable to the hub and try toL either ftp or telnet to the Alpha, it kept saying "Unknown host" which I can understand sinceK I have not done anything on the PC side yet.   Therefore, it would not knowjH that host name, right?  Now, do you know how to configure this so it canG either ftp or telnet to the Alpha.  All I want to do is some basic ftp.C   Thanks Phong0/ "tez" <tezendam@vxcompany.com> wrote in messagev. news:3c0e2315$0$223$4d4ebb8e@news.nl.uu.net... > David- >tJ > Probably your PC will be (as will default be) able to FTP (-client) from > CMD. >t > On VMS you need to:  >dF > - install TCP/IP services for OpenVMS (or a-like, no experiance with those)L > - configure Eth interface (menu: @sys$manager:ucx$config or :tcpip$config) > - startup TCP/IP" > - enable and/or start FTP-server >o > Dun all ?s >t > teza >F3 > "David Lee" <phongle@kornet.net> wrote in messagel' > news:9ul11k$pb6$1@news1.kornet.net...rL > > I went through the OpenVMS FAQ (part 2/5), hoping that I would find someL > > articles that would help in configuring my PC and an Alpha ES-40 running > VMSaJ > > 7.2 so it can see each other.  I want to be able to ftp the files from > AlphaeL > > to the PC running NT 4.0.   I know it's not just plug the RJ-45 cable to > theyJ > > FastEthernet Hub.  Something needed to be done on these machines, just > don'te > > know what needed tol > > be doneoF > > If anyone have any ideas, I would appreciate some helps or advices > > Thank you in advance.H > > .  > >r > >  > >a >  >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:30:12 +0100s= From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <noone@dummy.com>c Subject: Re: PC connection( Message-ID: <3C0F2C94.9EC9375@dummy.com>   Hi.r3 Connection a PC to a VMS system is not different toI6 connecting to any other TCP/IP based server. It's pure TCP/IP configuration.   ; Is your PC configured to use TCP/IP at all ? Can you accesso& any other server using FTP or TELNET ?  > If your PC is connfigured with a name server (DNS server), and? your VMS system have been added to the name server, that shoulde do it.  D If you'r not using any name server, you have to add the address (and5 name) of your VMS system to your local "hosts." file.o   Jan-Erik Sderholm.B     David Lee wrote: > I > On my VMS side, TCP/IP Services is already installed.  In addition, all4 > these services likeiN > ftp, telnet, nfs, etc. are enabled too.  After hooking up the RJ-45 cable to > the hub and try toN > either ftp or telnet to the Alpha, it kept saying "Unknown host" which I can > understand sinceM > I have not done anything on the PC side yet.   Therefore, it would not knowlJ > that host name, right?  Now, do you know how to configure this so it canI > either ftp or telnet to the Alpha.  All I want to do is some basic ftp.  >  > Thanks > Phongi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 09:59:35 +0100 1 From: Franz-Josef Fornefeld <jo.fornefeld@gmx.de>r Subject: Re: PC connection' Message-ID: <9unfi7.a9.1@jo.dyndns.org>    David Lee wrote:  E > On my VMS side, TCP/IP Services is already installed.  In addition,mB > all these services like ftp, telnet, nfs, etc. are enabled too. F > After hooking up the RJ-45 cable to the hub and try to either ftp or@ > telnet to the Alpha, it kept saying "Unknown host" which I canA > understand since I have not done anything on the PC side yet.  h6 > Therefore, it would not know that host name, right?    Sure.n  2 > Now, do you know how to configure this so it canI > either ftp or telnet to the Alpha.  All I want to do is some basic ftp..  = I guess that TCP/IP is installed on your PC. Aks your network E administrator for the address of your DNS server. He also should knowd how to configure your PC.p   > Thanks > Phong   	 Jo (F'up)u   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2001 09:26:56 GMTe) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)  Subject: Re: PC connection' Message-ID: <9undl0$9tm$1@joe.rice.edu>P  * David Lee (teamosan@inet.att.co.kr) wrote:I : On my VMS side, TCP/IP Services is already installed.  In addition, alliE : these services like ftp, telnet, nfs, etc. are enabled too.  After eK : hooking up the RJ-45 cable to the hub and try to either ftp or telnet to aH : the Alpha, it kept saying "Unknown host" which I can understand since I : I have not done anything on the PC side yet.   Therefore, it would not r : know that host name, right?  a   Yes, that't right.  K : Now, do you know how to configure this so it can either ftp or telnet to b1 : the Alpha.  All I want to do is some basic ftp.m  & Edit the HOSTS file in this directory:     winnt\system32\drivers\etc  - There should be a HOSTS.SAM as a sample file.i  = If the HOSTS file doesn't exist, just create it with Notepad,V so it looks like:a     # IP Address       Name      xx.xx.xx.xx       ALPHA   7 where "xx.xx.xx.xx" is the IP address of the VMS system   A This article tells the difference between HOSTS (TCP/IP functions ' like ftp) and LMHOSTS (Network Shares):r  @   http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q105/9/97.asp?   Differences Between the HOSTS and LMHOSTS Files in Windows NTm   : Thanks : Phonga   --Jerry Leslie   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 22:45:07 +0900& From: "David Lee" <phongle@kornet.net> Subject: Re: PC connection+ Message-ID: <9unse1$3ei$1@news1.kornet.net>g  K I am not using DNS. Can you advise me how to add the address and name of myyA VMS system to my local host file?  Where is that local host file?  Thanks  7 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <noone@dummy.com> wrote in messagee" news:3C0F2C94.9EC9375@dummy.com... > Hi. 5 > Connection a PC to a VMS system is not different toc8 > connecting to any other TCP/IP based server. It's pure > TCP/IP configuration.s >u= > Is your PC configured to use TCP/IP at all ? Can you accessw( > any other server using FTP or TELNET ? >s@ > If your PC is connfigured with a name server (DNS server), andA > your VMS system have been added to the name server, that shouldu > do it. >FF > If you'r not using any name server, you have to add the address (and7 > name) of your VMS system to your local "hosts." file.s >r > Jan-Erik Sderholm.s >s >  > David Lee wrote: > >tK > > On my VMS side, TCP/IP Services is already installed.  In addition, all- > > these services like,G > > ftp, telnet, nfs, etc. are enabled too.  After hooking up the RJ-45u cable to > > the hub and try toL > > either ftp or telnet to the Alpha, it kept saying "Unknown host" which I cane > > understand sinceJ > > I have not done anything on the PC side yet.   Therefore, it would not knowL > > that host name, right?  Now, do you know how to configure this so it canK > > either ftp or telnet to the Alpha.  All I want to do is some basic ftp.e > >C
 > > Thanks	 > > Phonge   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:55:38 -00008 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>, Subject: RE: Problem with the Info-VAX list?N Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240010BF13D@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  K I'm getting a fair quantity of info-vax mail which appears to be the normale volume.e   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk= Post: Denys Wilkinson Building, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKdA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)      -----Original Message-----2 From: Christopher Smith [mailto:csmith@amdocs.com]* Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 4:45 PM To: John Macallister( Subject: Problem with the Info-VAX list?    H I haven't been getting Info-VAX stuff for days.  Anyone else having this problem?   Regards,   Chrisv  ! Christopher Smith, Perl Developerw Amdocs - Champaign, IL   /usr/bin/perl -e '? print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");l 'h  e   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 16:05:31 +0100 (MET)-9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>-! Subject: Re: RECALL does not work ; Message-ID: <01KBJY21L6KM9125K1@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>   I > P.S.:	One more thing to love about VMS.  The ability to load huge files > > (100 megabytes+) into the text editor.  Don't think I could  > 	do that in MS Word!    ' Another advantage of EDT over EVE!  :-)-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 11:06:57 -0500-- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>0  Subject: Symbian model for VMS ?+ Message-ID: <3C0F979B.2D0F1F5@videotron.ca>r  I Back in 1997, a little known british company which pioneered the PDAs andIN which had very similar marketing problems to Digital wrote a new PDA operating' stystem to replace it older 16 bit one.m. The company was PSION. The new OS was EPOC-32.  L PSION then launched a PDA based on that OS. Within a month or two, they spunN off the OS division into a separate company and then got the various potentialL users (mostly mobile phone makers) to buy stakes in the company. The companyN is Symbian.  This year, PSION announced it was getting out of the consumer PDAM business, and the remaining shareholders of Symbian have announced changes to O the OS to better fit their varied needs now that PSION was no longer an issue. r  K Perhaps Compaq could do the same with VMS and its layered products. Spin itrL off into a separate company, get some of its largest customers to buy sharesM in the company with Compaq only keeping perhaps 20% stake in it (to make sure-( that Compaq keeps the service business).  K The boards members of the company would essentially be representatives fromaI the largest customers. Decisions would then be made to make VMS serve itsrH customers. The board members would have a vested interest in keeping VMSK prices down since it will benefit their own company (as customers) and theyuF have a vested interest in making VMS profitable (as shareholders). TheM solution is to expand the VMS marketplace which allows profits AND lower coste to the large customers.D  L The military bought a large stake in Irridium to save it because they neededI it. Perhaps they could also buy a large stake in VMSinc, as well as those- large corporate users of VMS.e   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2001 03:41:28 -0600:- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)3/ Subject: Re: Testing software for OpenVMS/Alpha 3 Message-ID: <ITzCpKWXbxLt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <01KBJV2KBZTE001608@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au> writes:e > Oscar Lerma wrote: > ? >>Does anyone know of any software to test applications on the e >>OpenVMS/Alphac >>platform?  > B > You're probably after DTM (Digital Test Manager) for regression # > testing.  This is part of DECset.e  C To see whether your test suite is complete, use the Performance ande> Coverage Analyzer too from DECset (unless you use DECthreads).   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:05:50 GMTt4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqI< Message-ID: <OzNP7.2909$Sj1.1498822@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  7 "IsraelRT" <israelrt@optushome.com.au> wrote in messageS2 news:cfui0uguh2kbfv5osu3sicrernlhhtunba@4ax.com...4 > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:43:02 -0800, "Jack Peacock" > <peacock@simconv.com> wrote: >aJ > >I have to agree.  It's pointless now to bemoan the demise of the Alpha. For:F > >all it's technical merit it didn't pull in enough dollars to remain viable. 0 > >There's no guarantee the Itanium will either. >uG > Now that Compaq looks like going belly up soon ( under the impacts ofeF > Michael Dell and the soon-to-be-aborted merger with HP ) it is all a > bit academic anyway.  4 At least one press organ seems to think otherwise...  G TheStreet.com... Compaq Can Survive -- Maybe Even Thrive -- Without H-Pp   By Tish Williams
 Senior Writerr 12/06/2001 09:09 AM ESTr  I Compaq's (CPQ:NYSE - news - commentary - research - analysis) friends are 7 readying the support network in case it gets dumped....o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:29:54 GMTl* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqe> Message-ID: <mWNP7.125893$YD.10470917@news2.aus1.giganews.com>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagee6 news:OzNP7.2909$Sj1.1498822@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...   ...e  I > TheStreet.com... Compaq Can Survive -- Maybe Even Thrive -- Without H-Ps  K A better title would be "Compaq Can Survive -- Maybe Even Thrive -- WithoutAK Carly & Curly".  Given current merger plans 'without H-P' does seem to be alC prerequisite to that, and even if both Compaq and HP were to divestnF themselves of the boat anchors currently occupying their CEO and otherL high-level-management positions the merger itself would necessarily distractE them from repairing the damage those people have done (and the almosthG certain consolidation of proprietary product lines would still make ther& whole less than the sum of its parts).   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:25:58 -08000 From: "Brig Campbell" <brig.campbell@unisys.com>! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqo0 Message-ID: <9uo9na$1efm$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagen6 news:OzNP7.2909$Sj1.1498822@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > 9 > "IsraelRT" <israelrt@optushome.com.au> wrote in messageA4 > news:cfui0uguh2kbfv5osu3sicrernlhhtunba@4ax.com...6 > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:43:02 -0800, "Jack Peacock"  > > <peacock@simconv.com> wrote: > >tL > > >I have to agree.  It's pointless now to bemoan the demise of the Alpha. > ForwH > > >all it's technical merit it didn't pull in enough dollars to remain	 > viable. 2 > > >There's no guarantee the Itanium will either. > >oI > > Now that Compaq looks like going belly up soon ( under the impacts ofTH > > Michael Dell and the soon-to-be-aborted merger with HP ) it is all a > > bit academic anyway. > 6 > At least one press organ seems to think otherwise... >cI > TheStreet.com... Compaq Can Survive -- Maybe Even Thrive -- Without H-Pm >o > By Tish Williams > Senior Writer  > 12/06/2001 09:09 AM ESTa > K > Compaq's (CPQ:NYSE - news - commentary - research - analysis) friends are 9 > readying the support network in case it gets dumped....( >l  = Friends...  like maybe IBM?  Probably wouldn't be a bad move.o   -brigi   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 17:42:29 GMTo4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqd< Message-ID: <96OP7.3041$Sj1.1513090@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  ; "Brig Campbell" <brig.campbell@unisys.com> wrote in messageC* news:9uo9na$1efm$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com... >lA > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagec8 > news:OzNP7.2909$Sj1.1498822@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > >m; > > "IsraelRT" <israelrt@optushome.com.au> wrote in message.6 > > news:cfui0uguh2kbfv5osu3sicrernlhhtunba@4ax.com...8 > > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:43:02 -0800, "Jack Peacock"" > > > <peacock@simconv.com> wrote: > > >aG > > > >I have to agree.  It's pointless now to bemoan the demise of thel Alpha. > > FortJ > > > >all it's technical merit it didn't pull in enough dollars to remain > > viable.c4 > > > >There's no guarantee the Itanium will either. > > > K > > > Now that Compaq looks like going belly up soon ( under the impacts of0J > > > Michael Dell and the soon-to-be-aborted merger with HP ) it is all a > > > bit academic anyway. > >S8 > > At least one press organ seems to think otherwise... > > K > > TheStreet.com... Compaq Can Survive -- Maybe Even Thrive -- Without H-Ps > >t > > By Tish Williams > > Senior Writere > > 12/06/2001 09:09 AM ESTp > > I > > Compaq's (CPQ:NYSE - news - commentary - research - analysis) friendsd are ; > > readying the support network in case it gets dumped....w > >e >r? > Friends...  like maybe IBM?  Probably wouldn't be a bad move.o >e  J IBM is ideally positioned to capitalize on the merger, whether it succeedsH or not. If, for example, a Compaq customer opts to wander off the Compaq= reservation, IBM is the logical place for the customer to go.C   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:52:33 -08000 From: "Brig Campbell" <brig.campbell@unisys.com>! Subject: Re: The demise of compaq 0 Message-ID: <9uob95$1fuq$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com>  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messagee6 news:96OP7.3041$Sj1.1513090@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... >d= > "Brig Campbell" <brig.campbell@unisys.com> wrote in messagef, > news:9uo9na$1efm$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com... > >lC > > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messaget: > > news:OzNP7.2909$Sj1.1498822@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > > >b= > > > "IsraelRT" <israelrt@optushome.com.au> wrote in message(8 > > > news:cfui0uguh2kbfv5osu3sicrernlhhtunba@4ax.com...: > > > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2001 13:43:02 -0800, "Jack Peacock"$ > > > > <peacock@simconv.com> wrote: > > > >)I > > > > >I have to agree.  It's pointless now to bemoan the demise of thei > Alpha.	 > > > ForPL > > > > >all it's technical merit it didn't pull in enough dollars to remain
 > > > viable.e6 > > > > >There's no guarantee the Itanium will either. > > > >nJ > > > > Now that Compaq looks like going belly up soon ( under the impacts ofL > > > > Michael Dell and the soon-to-be-aborted merger with HP ) it is all a > > > > bit academic anyway. > > >a: > > > At least one press organ seems to think otherwise... > > >oI > > > TheStreet.com... Compaq Can Survive -- Maybe Even Thrive -- Withouth H-P  > > >t > > > By Tish Williams > > > Senior Writerh > > > 12/06/2001 09:09 AM EST  > > >wK > > > Compaq's (CPQ:NYSE - news - commentary - research - analysis) friendse > aree= > > > readying the support network in case it gets dumped....  > > >  > > A > > Friends...  like maybe IBM?  Probably wouldn't be a bad move.  > >s >rL > IBM is ideally positioned to capitalize on the merger, whether it succeedsJ > or not. If, for example, a Compaq customer opts to wander off the Compaq? > reservation, IBM is the logical place for the customer to go.C >P >s  A I was think more along the lines of IBM buying the reservation...    -brigP   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:19:27 GMTf4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqd< Message-ID: <PEOP7.3186$Sj1.1526211@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  ; "Brig Campbell" <brig.campbell@unisys.com> wrote in messagef* news:9uob95$1fuq$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com... > A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message    > >SE > > IBM is ideally positioned to capitalize on the merger, whether iti succeedsL > > or not. If, for example, a Compaq customer opts to wander off the CompaqA > > reservation, IBM is the logical place for the customer to go.  > >o > >s >wC > I was think more along the lines of IBM buying the reservation...s >   G Whether or not IBM would WANT the reservation is best known to IBM, but # nothing would surprise me any more.   K If Compaq were to divest itself of VMS (therefore jumping off the ship with L a Wintel boat anchor tied firmly to its corporate neck) IBM might well prove to be a safe harbor for the OS.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 19:45:26 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> ! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqs5 Message-ID: <3C0FBCC6.469DC856@swissonline.delete.ch>s   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:a >  ...d > 6 > At least one press organ seems to think otherwise... > I > TheStreet.com... Compaq Can Survive -- Maybe Even Thrive -- Without H-PI >  > By Tish Williams > Senior Writera > 12/06/2001 09:09 AM EST  > K > Compaq's (CPQ:NYSE - news - commentary - research - analysis) friends are 9 > readying the support network in case it gets dumped....e  E And the article says what I've been saying for a while, but I do hopeTA they have a wider audience and provoke some kind of reaction  :-)   B "Most obvious among Compaq's faults, the PC business is a mess." - agreed !  H "The company led the market in share of the server business in the thirdF quarter, according to Gartner Dataquest." - oh really ??  I wonder howG much they'd lead the market by if they put some effort into selling the  product.  ? "The strength of IBM services is not in its support, but in the ( consultants it has out there to push IBM;  products,.."  - and Compaq is a self-declared IBM wannabe.     0 All that Compaq seems to need is a decent CEO...     cheers   John McLean    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 18:50:20 GMTi4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqt< Message-ID: <M5PP7.3304$Sj1.1536990@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  > "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message/ news:3C0FBCC6.469DC856@swissonline.delete.ch...m >  >t > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:t > >  > ...n > >t8 > > At least one press organ seems to think otherwise... > >eK > > TheStreet.com... Compaq Can Survive -- Maybe Even Thrive -- Without H-Po > >i > > By Tish Williams > > Senior Writerx > > 12/06/2001 09:09 AM ESTr > >.I > > Compaq's (CPQ:NYSE - news - commentary - research - analysis) friendsf arec; > > readying the support network in case it gets dumped....t >kG > And the article says what I've been saying for a while, but I do hope7C > they have a wider audience and provoke some kind of reaction  :-)m > D > "Most obvious among Compaq's faults, the PC business is a mess." -
 > agreed !  G No doubt. Were it me, I'd bail out of the consumer peecee business toutcL suite. Why throw good money after bad in an effort to pursue those dwindling& (and already under 5 percent) margins?  H Of course, it's real easy for me (or anyone) to tell someone else how to spend their money.   >nJ > "The company led the market in share of the server business in the thirdH > quarter, according to Gartner Dataquest." - oh really ??  I wonder howI > much they'd lead the market by if they put some effort into selling theC
 > product.   Good question.   > A > "The strength of IBM services is not in its support, but in thee* > consultants it has out there to push IBM= >  products,.."  - and Compaq is a self-declared IBM wannabe.S >s   Yep.   > 2 > All that Compaq seems to need is a decent CEO... >   L Could be, but I suspect that the real problems are a bit less centralized...> and occupy somewhat lower rankings in the corporate hierarchy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 19:58:53 +0100r1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> ! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqe5 Message-ID: <3C0FBFED.5270EC12@swissonline.delete.ch>4   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  >  ...  > I > Whether or not IBM would WANT the reservation is best known to IBM, bute% > nothing would surprise me any more.d > M > If Compaq were to divest itself of VMS (therefore jumping off the ship witheN > a Wintel boat anchor tied firmly to its corporate neck) IBM might well prove! > to be a safe harbor for the OS.o   I figure that IBM would get   G 1.  a top class operating system with all the RAS stuff that we hear so05 much about and that the competitors struggle to match1  H 2.  access to clustering technology which they might be able to transfer. to their various proprietary operating systems  E 3.  a customer base that produces profits maybe close to $1 billion ahE year on expenses of maybe $6 billion. (It's very hard to separate VMSe1 from the other stuff in the "Enterprise" segment)e  C 4.  a customer base on a proprietary system and that means (a) they-G won't easily desert and (b) they are not scared by the idea of it beings proprietarym  H 5.  a market that is ripe for consultants (and this area is a big earner for IBM)  @ If IBM could take VMS and Tandem then they've really sewn up the& high-reliability markets like banking.    F Wouldn't I smile if the regulators said okay but on the condition thatG they sold some of their other assets and IBM said "Okay, we'll sell our  PC business."   ;-)c     John McLeanh   ------------------------------    Date: 06 Dec 2001 16:51:42 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de><S Subject: Re: VMS Effort (Was: Re: Microsoft Pyramid Collapses Enron and Hewlett Pac H Message-ID: <y4vgfkuz1t.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  ( "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:  N > I believe 99% of the IT professionals, who are actual OVMS customer for whomL > this more that a debating exercise, will make rational business decisions.N > If Compaq delivers a viable port to the ISV's very early in 2003 Compaq willC > find those rational business decisions break in Compaq's favor...-  N Meanwhile, it will be a rational business decision by said IT professionals toF hold back on Alpha/VMS upgrades, expansions, and new starts. This willH translate into "reduced confidence" on Compaq's side that VMS is viable,D leading to less noise and effort spent on the port ("due to resourceL constraints, the first public IPF/VMS beta will be delayed for six months"),# and there goes your vicious circle.   L Conspiracy theorists will of course say this course of events was planned byL the Compaq top-level management. I am more of the opinion that it is neutral< neglect - look up "hemisperical neglect" in your dictionary.   	Jan   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:08:55 -06001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> 2 Subject: Re: VMS marketing (advertising) sighting.8 Message-ID: <9uocat$1n5$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  J I understand your point about the water, but lemme guess that when VMS was0 "jojimbo" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:dc2d8031.0112051632.6046a4b2@posting.google.com...e> > "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message news:<9ulcmb$ga7>.J > > I didn't think that marketing included **creating** the right product.6 > > Creating a market, yes.  Creating the product.  ?? > >w9 > > Otherwise, thanks for the good news.  Its refreshing.d > >u > > Dave...e >nI > Well, I'm way out on a limb here, but in the interest of getting peoplen$ > to think deeper about marketing... >sD > Suppose there are people in a hot country getting thirsty.  That'sG > a market (demand).  Perhaps it's satisfied by a guy with a bucket anduD > a dipper.  Now along comes someone that organizes an effort to get bottles,I > label them with a catchy name and put water in them.  That's marketing,:E > (and merchandising to put them on the shelf in the right place) andsF > if they put a sign up "cool water here" that's the promotion part of > marketing. >tH > So yes, I think the main result of marketing is creating a product. ByD > product, I don't just mean the pyhsical thing siting on the shelf,F > I also include getting into "design wins" in the case of a chip.  Or; > getting in shelf space, in the case of a new potato chip.g >sC > Think about this.  If you are a system architect are you going totC > specify alpha or itanium?  The decision has a lot more to do withr@ > than what's better (technically).  It's more similar to what's& > available on the shelf in the store. >M > Later, >r > Jimh   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2001 18:11:24 GMTa1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>m2 Subject: Re: VMS marketing (advertising) sighting.8 Message-ID: <9uoccc$1na$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:15:16 -06001 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> 2 Subject: Re: VMS marketing (advertising) sighting.8 Message-ID: <9uocmq$1pp$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  I I see your point about the water (good analogy) and understand a tad moret" about marketing then I did before.   Thanks  0 "jojimbo" <jgessling@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:dc2d8031.0112051632.6046a4b2@posting.google.com... > > "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote in message news:<9ulcmb$ga7>hJ > > I didn't think that marketing included **creating** the right product.6 > > Creating a market, yes.  Creating the product.  ?? > >o9 > > Otherwise, thanks for the good news.  Its refreshing.  > >d > > Dave...i >tI > Well, I'm way out on a limb here, but in the interest of getting people-$ > to think deeper about marketing... >MD > Suppose there are people in a hot country getting thirsty.  That'sG > a market (demand).  Perhaps it's satisfied by a guy with a bucket andoD > a dipper.  Now along comes someone that organizes an effort to get bottles,I > label them with a catchy name and put water in them.  That's marketing,.E > (and merchandising to put them on the shelf in the right place) andtF > if they put a sign up "cool water here" that's the promotion part of > marketing. >cH > So yes, I think the main result of marketing is creating a product. ByD > product, I don't just mean the pyhsical thing siting on the shelf,F > I also include getting into "design wins" in the case of a chip.  Or; > getting in shelf space, in the case of a new potato chip.m >oC > Think about this.  If you are a system architect are you going toiC > specify alpha or itanium?  The decision has a lot more to do withh@ > than what's better (technically).  It's more similar to what's& > available on the shelf in the store. >2 > Later, >r > Jimi   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2001 10:16:30 +0000 % From: Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>iE Subject: Walter Hewlitt and Friedman Fleischer and Lowe attack mergers* Message-ID: <3C0F457D.56A11CB1@virgin.net>  D The anti-merger document prepared for Walter Hewlitt can be found atR  http://www.freeedgar.com/EdgarConstruct/Data/891618/01-502286/f77263dfdfan14a.htm  @ It's a large download. Lots of graphics but well worth the read.   A summary is available at 1 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/23189.htmlh   My own summary:l  E Combined company wants to concentrate on Wintel. There is no money ine> Wintel unless you happen to be Dell (or Microsoft or Intel...)   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2001 10:58:51 -0800e- From: mmimoso@techtarget.com (Michael Mimoso)iI Subject: Re: Walter Hewlitt and Friedman Fleischer and Lowe attack mergert= Message-ID: <f9633e53.0112061058.21184853@posting.google.com>   W Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net> wrote in message news:<3C0F457D.56A11CB1@virgin.net>...1F > The anti-merger document prepared for Walter Hewlitt can be found atT >  http://www.freeedgar.com/EdgarConstruct/Data/891618/01-502286/f77263dfdfan14a.htm > B > It's a large download. Lots of graphics but well worth the read. >  > A summary is available at-3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/23189.html  >  > My own summary:r > G > Combined company wants to concentrate on Wintel. There is no money in7@ > Wintel unless you happen to be Dell (or Microsoft or Intel...)    C I'm the news editor for searchHP.com http://searchhp.techtarget.comiD and I invite you to check out our site's news coverage of the mergerF since it was announced Sept. 4. We have created two Featured Topics onE the acquisition, as well as polls and a Discussion Forum dedicated to r the merger: http://searchhp.discussions.techtarget.com/WebX?230@215.9yvBaI6zcU9^0@.ee8474f!viewtype=&skip=&expand=   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2001 05:47:36 -0800o( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)8 Subject: Re: XML Test Problems & Java Performance Query.= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0112060547.44bb6f8e@posting.google.com>s  c rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton) wrote in message news:<3c02e06c.1548463452@news.wcc.govt.nz>...u
 > Hi All,  >  > Java SDK 1.3.0-2 > OpenVMS 7.2-1-
 > UnZip 5.42 e > 5 > All recent Patches including those spec'd for Java.S >  > XML Sample Test ProblemsG > On our test box I've installed Java and copied down the XML files for  > XML Testing.H > Unpacked the .JAR Files into the Test directories. There's a couple ofE > failures with Bad Filename during the UnZip. (Used the "-V" option)a > C > On closer inspection I see these filenames are 41 Characters longk  > (extension is another 5 chars)6 > Docs. say the limit is 39 Characters for a filename. > $ > One of he filenames of concern is: > 2 > XMLDOCUMENTSCANNER$TRAILINGMISCDISPATCHER.CLASS; >  > Is there any way round this?2 > Anyone got the XML to HTML Convert test to work? > D > Tried manually renaming the file after extracting it from the .JAR' > file on another platform - but no go.3 >  > Java Performance.eH > Also, I saw recent postings as regards the performance (or lack of) ofF > Java 1.3.0. I see similar extensive hard faulting. Did anyone get an > actual resolution? >  > As always, >  > Many TIAs. >  > Rob.  L that's why VMS engineering should have went with purveyor, and updated it toO http 1.1, because most software from the unix world is conveluted and difficulth to setup and use ...   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Dec 2001 07:56:18 -0600o- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)<8 Subject: Re: XML Test Problems & Java Performance Query.3 Message-ID: <bf9AeaJqnWvz@eisner.encompasserve.org>   Y In article <1011205184357.16710B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: # > On 5 Dec 2001, Bob Koehler wrote:  > l >> In article <3C0E31F4.153B07B6@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes: >> > Bob Koehler wrote:aK >> >>    The JRE wants MyClass to be in MyClass.java, and the Java compiler 5 >                                                ^^^^uI > Bob, I think Arne is refering to the probable typo in the above line...r >   E    Oops, still can't spell and type at the same time.  That should of     course by MyClass.class.  t  @    You should have seen how many times yesterday I tried to typeD    deflate.c and my fingers autopilotted default instead of deflate.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.678 ************************