1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 09 Dec 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 684       Contents: Re: Compaq after merger-failure  Re: Compaq after merger-failure   Re: Compaq now a takeover target  Re: Compaq now a takeover target  Re: Compaq now a takeover target  Re: Compaq now a takeover target  Re: Compaq now a takeover target  Re: Compaq now a takeover targetK Re: December 7, 2001: A Pearl Harbor Day of the Merger and Acquisition Kind P Re: December 7, 2001: A Pearl Harbor Day of the Merger and Acquisition Kind Kind disk shadowing Re: disk shadowing, Encompass Board Election Countdown Continues0 Re: Encompass Board Election Countdown ContinuesI Re: Here is your VMS alternative ... another patch for you windoze admins 4 Re: How to implement Login Fails for Open VMS on VAX4 Re: How to implement Login Fails for Open VMS on VAX: Re: How to tell if foreign command (SET COMMAND) is known?: Re: How to tell if foreign command (SET COMMAND) is known?: Re: How to tell if foreign command (SET COMMAND) is known?" Re: HP Foundations - let them know IBM VMS and Oracle+ RE: install fibre channel to the CI cluster % Is autogen needed for new added disks ) Re: Is autogen needed for new added disks ; Re: Is there a place to find VMS Source Listing CD mounted? ; Re: Is there a place to find VMS Source Listing CD mounted? 3 Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact? 3 Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact? 3 Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact? 3 Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact? 3 Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact? P Keystone VB6 - 18 cd's - all levels 1 to 17 for 60$us for the rest on year 2001 $ Re: manuals (was Linus' view on VMS)$ Re: manuals (was Linus' view on VMS)' Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ?  Re: Oracle problems.9 Re: Packard Foundation Tells Merger Urgers to "Paq it In" 9 Re: Packard Foundation Tells Merger Urgers to "Paq it In" 9 Re: Packard Foundation Tells Merger Urgers to "Paq it In" 9 Re: Packard Foundation Tells Merger Urgers to "Paq it In" 
 Secure Telnet  Re: Secure Telnet  Re: Secure Telnet  Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq5 Re: Tru64.org Flash Poll on Merger "Pearl Harbor Day"  Re: VAXstation 2000 pinouts  Re: VAXstation 2000 pinouts   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:24:01 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>( Subject: Re: Compaq after merger-failure- Message-ID: <R6NQ7.24451$Yy.300136@rwcrnsc53>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C125BCA.2416EB45@videotron.ca...G > Is it possible that Compaq might continue business as usual after the  failure  > of the merger ?    I am sure they'll try! > K > With Tru64 and alpha dead, Compaq would only have Tandem and wintel (with  VMS  > hidden in basement).  K Tru64 is *not* dead... what remains to be seen is what CPQ will do next, as  per your following question:   > 9 > Could Compaq really revive Tru64 with any credibility ?   G It's at least possible. From a technical standpoint it's still the best L UNIX. That said, CPQ and HWP may continue down the condolidation path. We'll see...   > L > Isn't it more likely that a post non-merger Compaq would just sell off the non I > strategic assets and focus on its wintel business to make it profitable  and L > stop being distracted by those pesky vms loyalists who demand respect from
 > Compaq ?  L Oh, hardly! Assuming CPQ can overcome the wishes of the Houston loyalists, aL de-emphasis of the consumer peecees (wireless and Evo and iPAQ should remainC keepers) and a tighter focus on enterprise stuff seems more likely.    > L > Just looking at the system engineers. Do you really believe that the fancyH > Wilfire system builders would be of any use to Windows when Windows is prettyI > much limited to those proliant boxes with just a few processors in them I > without any of the fancy structures and shared resources that one woudl  expect > in a wildfire ?   K Note that the 32-way McKinley box incorporates WildFire technology. And the H Fire/Ice/Wind product set implements more of the same, plus the adaptive infrastructure stuff.    > L > I woukld tend to think that the Alpha system engineers would not being anyJ > value to the current crop of wintel systems engineers since their skills would 0 > not be applicable to systems that run windows.  J Sigh. Don't be so sure of that. Paul Santeler and Dave Fenwick seem to see eye to eye on a lot of things.  6 Stay tuned, the next few months should be interesting!   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:34:23 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> ( Subject: Re: Compaq after merger-failure5 Message-ID: <3C13AEAF.5114ED5F@swissonline.delete.ch>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  >  ...    I > It's at least possible. From a technical standpoint it's still the best N > UNIX. That said, CPQ and HWP may continue down the condolidation path. We'll > see...  C Oh !  So that's another technically superior product that they keep G hidden is it ?  I must be honest and say that I hadn't realised that it H was significantly better.  When you work on VMS you really don't look at other OSs that much...  :-)   N > Oh, hardly! Assuming CPQ can overcome the wishes of the Houston loyalists, aN > de-emphasis of the consumer peecees (wireless and Evo and iPAQ should remainE > keepers) and a tighter focus on enterprise stuff seems more likely.   E This is the $64 million question, isn't it ?  Will the Houston people H finally see that light now that several thousand watts are being used ? B If Compaq's own financial statements weren't enough, the fact thatH independent evaluators for Walter Hewlett said that high exposure to the; PC market was a very bad thing should sink home.... I hope.   G For the rest of Compaq I hope that the PCs are cut lose with Winkler in H charge of them.  He seems to be one of the main pro-PC people so if he's7 going to make big statements let's give him his chance.   C Up to the end of September Compaq was losing about $1 billion every H three weeks in the PC area.  Compaq could give the new PC group a fairlyG generous $2 billion to get them started and then just walk away knowing C that what they have "donated" would be lost in just 6 weeks anyway.   E The only downside to this would be the staff who might suffer bigtime " when the new PC company collapsed.     8 > Stay tuned, the next few months should be interesting!  H I suspect that there will be a power-struggle of substantial proportions within Compaq.     John McLean    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 08:06:12 GMT   From: cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net>) Subject: Re: Compaq now a takeover target + Message-ID: <3C131B60.297BC55B@prodigy.net>    IsraelRT wrote:  > 9 > >"The family foundation that is the largest shareholder 5 > >of Hewlett-Packard, said it would vote against the $ > >proposal to buy Compaq Computer." > E > Once the merger is cancelled, Compaq is likely to go belly-up or at  > least be taken over .  > G > The takeover could even be  by Dell if the anti-trust legislators can  > be bought off .   L If they're willing to drop the Microsoft suit, I can't imagine the DOJ would get in the way of Dell.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:35:52 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ) Subject: Re: Compaq now a takeover target , Message-ID: <3C13A0F7.5AC4F39D@videotron.ca>   IsraelRT wrote: > > He has not been able to make it profitable for sometime now.E > With the global economy now relentlessly nose diving, Compaq has no . > chance at all of returning to profitability.  J Winkler can argue that the reason his PC business isn't profitable is thatN Compaq is constantly distracted and dragged down by those old legacy products.M But getting rid of those legacy products, Compaq could then become the leader % in the wintel business it used to be.   M Remember that there is a reason why Compaq is purposefully hiding the profits M generated by the real enterprise products. This way, Wall Street will see the G offloading of those old legacy products as a good thing for Compaq, not H realising that those had been the products that had saved Compaq's skin.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:11:48 GMT 6 From: "JoAnn DiFrancesco" <difrancesco@sequeldata.com>) Subject: Re: Compaq now a takeover target - Message-ID: <EPNQ7.24713$Yy.302261@rwcrnsc53>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C13A0F7.5AC4F39D@videotron.ca... > IsraelRT wrote: @ > > He has not been able to make it profitable for sometime now.G > > With the global economy now relentlessly nose diving, Compaq has no 0 > > chance at all of returning to profitability. > L > Winkler can argue that the reason his PC business isn't profitable is thatF > Compaq is constantly distracted and dragged down by those old legacy	 products. H > But getting rid of those legacy products, Compaq could then become the leader' > in the wintel business it used to be.   K Yeah, that's the ticket! Become a leader selling Wintel desktops at a loss!    What a concept!   ) What a load of ill-considered codswallop!   H While I appreciate the sophomoric humour in this suggestion, I'd sure as* heck like to see some facts to back it up.  * Thus far, the claim is totally groundless.     > G > Remember that there is a reason why Compaq is purposefully hiding the  profits K > generated by the real enterprise products. This way, Wall Street will see  the I > offloading of those old legacy products as a good thing for Compaq, not J > realising that those had been the products that had saved Compaq's skin.  H Oh, purposefully hiding? I would assume that anyone who could PROVE thisH allegation could have a hell of a lot of fun with the SEC, et al. In the= absence of proof, it's nothing but Blovation Without a Cause!    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:44:16 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> ) Subject: Re: Compaq now a takeover target 5 Message-ID: <3C13B100.70175CE2@swissonline.delete.ch>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  ... O > Remember that there is a reason why Compaq is purposefully hiding the profits , > generated by the real enterprise products.  A You can't say that JF because the profits for the real enterprise E products are in the financial statements, albeit mixed with the upper  end Windows server boxes.   @ What you could say is that despite the substantial profits beingH generated by these products Compaq appears to be doing very, very littleD to try to increase the market (and hence profits) for the enterprise
 products.   \ > This way, Wall Street will see the offloading of those old legacy products as a good thingZ > for Compaq, not realising that those had been the products that had saved Compaq's skin.  E I don't know that Wall Street are entirely stupid.  They've just been G snowed by Compaq.  Remember when Compaq said that it wanted to be known D as more than just a PC company but never did anything to change thatA perception ?   (I emailed Steve Shankland of CNet one day when he ? refered to Compaq as "the PC maker".  His reply was "That's how < everybody sees them." and I couldn't argue with that logic.)  H I think/hope that some of the journalists and Wall Street wankers (can IH say "Wankers" in this forum ?) might think about the report prepared forH Walter Hewlett next time they write something about Compaq, specificallyD the points that said that PCs were bad news and that Compaq had some9 more productive lines (ie. high-end servers and storage).     	 John McL.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:51:46 GMT   From: cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net>) Subject: Re: Compaq now a takeover target + Message-ID: <3C13B2B3.784EED63@prodigy.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > IsraelRT wrote: @ > > He has not been able to make it profitable for sometime now.G > > With the global economy now relentlessly nose diving, Compaq has no 0 > > chance at all of returning to profitability. > L > Winkler can argue that the reason his PC business isn't profitable is thatP > Compaq is constantly distracted and dragged down by those old legacy products.O > But getting rid of those legacy products, Compaq could then become the leader ' > in the wintel business it used to be.  > O > Remember that there is a reason why Compaq is purposefully hiding the profits O > generated by the real enterprise products. This way, Wall Street will see the I > offloading of those old legacy products as a good thing for Compaq, not J > realising that those had been the products that had saved Compaq's skin.  H If they don't see it that way, at least getting rid of them would settle
 the issue.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:54:09 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> ) Subject: Re: Compaq now a takeover target 5 Message-ID: <3C13B351.83C0C47B@swissonline.delete.ch>    JoAnn DiFrancesco wrote: > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3C13A0F7.5AC4F39D@videotron.ca... > > IsraelRT wrote: B > > > He has not been able to make it profitable for sometime now.I > > > With the global economy now relentlessly nose diving, Compaq has no 2 > > > chance at all of returning to profitability. > > N > > Winkler can argue that the reason his PC business isn't profitable is thatR > > Compaq is constantly distracted and dragged down by those old legacy products.Q > > But getting rid of those legacy products, Compaq could then become the leader ) > > in the wintel business it used to be.  > M > Yeah, that's the ticket! Become a leader selling Wintel desktops at a loss!  >  > What a concept!  > + > What a load of ill-considered codswallop!  > J > While I appreciate the sophomoric humour in this suggestion, I'd sure as, > heck like to see some facts to back it up. > , > Thus far, the claim is totally groundless.    E JF is not claiming this but suggesting that Winkler might try this on > the basis of his track-record for supporting the continued bigA involvement in PCs even when it is glaringly obvious that PCs are  "profit-curtailing".     John   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:00:40 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>T Subject: Re: December 7, 2001: A Pearl Harbor Day of the Merger and Acquisition Kind- Message-ID: <cFNQ7.24637$Yy.301477@rwcrnsc53>   ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 6 news:JVdQ7.7163$Sj1.2554101@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...C > A brief article on the above-mentioned subject has been posted at  > www.tru64.org  > F > I anticipate that www.tru64.org will have a flash poll on the merger, > available within a couple of hours. Enjoy! >   > The flash poll is now up and available for your participation.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:45:52 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> Y Subject: Re: December 7, 2001: A Pearl Harbor Day of the Merger and Acquisition Kind Kind 4 Message-ID: <3C13B160.EB64C09@swissonline.delete.ch>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > A > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 8 > news:JVdQ7.7163$Sj1.2554101@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...E > > A brief article on the above-mentioned subject has been posted at  > > www.tru64.org  > > H > > I anticipate that www.tru64.org will have a flash poll on the merger. > > available within a couple of hours. Enjoy! > >  > @ > The flash poll is now up and available for your participation.    ( Hmm.  Looks like it's breakfast time !!!    	 John McL.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:27:32 +0800$ From: "Kenneth" <chehon@net-yan.com> Subject: disk shadowing , Message-ID: <9uvvfu$24sd$1@news.net-yan.com>  H I am using 2 X AS8400 running VMS7.2-1 cluster with host base shadowing.G When I shudown one node, the other node will perform a disk merge. This L would not be a prblem if it only perform the minimerge, however, some of theL disks will perform a full merge and will create extensive addtional IO. I amJ using HSJ50 for all disks and have checked the characteristic and flag for8 the device and all the disk are have the "wlg" flag set.  I The problem is why one disks can perform minimerge sometime but sometimeskG not? Is there any thing I can do to make them do minimerge everything I J shutdown the system? Can I stop the merging in the middle and schedule the merge off the peak hours?a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 18:11:00 +01004 From: "Andrea Wolf" <wolf.andrea@planet-interkom.de> Subject: Re: disk shadowingn2 Message-ID: <AgAQMTNgBHA.45@fnews1.vi-internet.de>  J try to set the sysgen-parameter shadow_max_copies to a value of 1 or 2 per
 cluster-node.e> So the active merge copies will be limited to 1 or 2 per node.H Other solution may be to install the latest shadowing patches. With thisI patch installed you are able to define a logical shad$merge_delay_factor.(J With this logical defined the merge copies will run faster. Try to set the value to 400 at the first step.n: You can define the logical per disk or for all shadowsets.  + Read the release notes for more information   	 good lucke Peters5 "Kenneth" <chehon@net-yan.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragt& news:9uvvfu$24sd$1@news.net-yan.com...J > I am using 2 X AS8400 running VMS7.2-1 cluster with host base shadowing.I > When I shudown one node, the other node will perform a disk merge. ThiseJ > would not be a prblem if it only perform the minimerge, however, some of theyK > disks will perform a full merge and will create extensive addtional IO. Id amL > using HSJ50 for all disks and have checked the characteristic and flag for: > the device and all the disk are have the "wlg" flag set. > K > The problem is why one disks can perform minimerge sometime but sometimeswI > not? Is there any thing I can do to make them do minimerge everything IeL > shutdown the system? Can I stop the merging in the middle and schedule the > merge off the peak hours?q >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 17:33:35 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Encompass Board Election Countdown Continuesh. Message-ID: <PfNQ7.22247$ER5.279152@rwcrnsc52>   Folks,  J I've heard from a number of Encompass members who claim that they have notI received election material as of yet. Thanks to the crufty and squatulent-H MSN Search facility that returns "THIS PAGE CANNOT BE DISPLAYED" I can'tH help from where I'm at right now. Perhaps you will have better luck from your own browser.e  K This is an important election... regardless of who you'd like to see on the<? Board, PLEASE take the opportunity to vote in this cycle. Voter6C participation in recent BoD elections has been disappointingly low.i  H Votes must be received by snailmail or fax to SBA in Chicago by close of business on 12 Decemberd   Thanks in advance,  
 Terry ShannondF (and yep, I'm running... so are three other incumbents, one former BoD  member, and a trio of new faces)   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2001 12:12:44 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 9 Subject: Re: Encompass Board Election Countdown Continuest3 Message-ID: <jIqmicS7EbE$@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  e In article <PfNQ7.22247$ER5.279152@rwcrnsc52>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:o  J > Votes must be received by snailmail or fax to SBA in Chicago by close of > business on 12 Decembera  ; The paper ballot said it must be postmarked by December 12.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 15:42:54 GMTc& From: "Art Rice" <a.rice3@verizon.net>R Subject: Re: Here is your VMS alternative ... another patch for you windoze admins9 Message-ID: <20011209.104246.1505193512.9762@verizon.net>i  B In article <d7791aa1.0112081242.6507b961@posting.google.com>, "Bob& Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:  J > Here is the 57th windoze security patch of the year ... I don't know howF > those windoze admins get any work done since they have to constantly > patche; > their 80 million pc boxes every other day of the year ...t > 7 > http://www.informationweek.com/story/IWK20011207S0043o > < >  SECURITY: Another Week, Another Outlook Flaw Dec. 7, 2001 >   E > This flaw is in the way Outlook Web Access handles script messages. : > Microsoft rates the problem "medium." By George V. Hulme >  t < major snippage>   I The other problem is:  They don't apply the patches so that they can keep 4 their business running, leaving them open to attack.   Art Rice   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:07:36 +0200 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>= Subject: Re: How to implement Login Fails for Open VMS on VAX + Message-ID: <3C1329D8.6CFDCA28@digital.com>M  " To compound one sin with another -> After replying without testing (Shades of Carl, where are you.7 I should read my own .sig.) I now reply to my own post:w  ; Testing on V7.2-1, I set SYSTEM /FLAG=DISUSER and rebooted.l= Startup worked OK, except for a SUBMIT in my SYSTATUP_VMS.COMP< file. I did'nt try SPAWN, but basically the system is up and; running. So that particular problem (not being able to booty/ if the SYSTEM account is disabled) - is a myth.t   Apologies againe   Mike   Mike Rechtman wrote: > : > STARTUP runs under the SYSTEM account. It may start, but > will not run properlyh> > (esp. things like SPAWN, SUBMIT) if the account is disabled.= > This may have changed in different versions, but definitely  > was a way to lock- > out a system.a >  > Mike   >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > W > > In article <3C10C32C.706@tzora.co.il>, Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il> writes:a > >e= > >>You will be setting yourself up for a delayed DOS attack: ; > >>All anyone has to do is fail to login three (or however = > >>many) times to the SYSTEM account, and wait for your nexte > >>re-boot. > >> > > H > > SYSTEM can log in at the console under a lot of otherwise-prohibitedH > > circumstances.  Have you verified your claim with a test, or are you > > just guessing ?e > > 3 > > I am not sure what rebooting has to do with it.s > >sC > > It would seem to me an effective denial-of-service attack wouldgF > > have to be against _all_ your privileged accounts, including thoseE > > the individual system managers actually use to manage the system.  > >j >  > -- > '  New to c.o.vms? allow me to recommend:o7  http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htm   tE ---------------------------------------------------------------------nE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.t? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*iF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------D   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2001 04:46:50 -0600a- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) = Subject: Re: How to implement Login Fails for Open VMS on VAXo3 Message-ID: <EPia4imf0O4N@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <3C1329D8.6CFDCA28@digital.com>, Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> writes:  = > Testing on V7.2-1, I set SYSTEM /FLAG=DISUSER and rebooted.u? > Startup worked OK, except for a SUBMIT in my SYSTATUP_VMS.COMn> > file. I did'nt try SPAWN, but basically the system is up and= > running. So that particular problem (not being able to boot 1 > if the SYSTEM account is disabled) - is a myth.j  @ I think it possible that SPAWN might work fine, since DISUSER isC part of the Authorization phase of LOGINOUT (to use the terminologyi? used in DECUS presentations by Gerry Smith when V4.0 came out),e1 while SPAWN uses mainly the Initialization phase.l  B My own habit is to try to avoid making the boot do critical thingsD in Batch, since it is susceptible to the disk with the Queue Manager files being unreachable, etc.l   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2001 04:39:21 -0600c- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)iC Subject: Re: How to tell if foreign command (SET COMMAND) is known? 3 Message-ID: <UCjMuYqQKFKQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  [ In article <3C12F0E3.EDA93460@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes:u  D > If you use thee verbs consistently, you'll make better use of yourH > working set by putting them permanently into your login command table.D > When you SET COMMAND, the command table must be copied from sharedG > system memory into process-private memory. That make less working sets > available for code/data.  ? Of course modifying DCLTABLES.EXE typically requires privilege.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:33:52 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) C Subject: Re: How to tell if foreign command (SET COMMAND) is known? 0 Message-ID: <00A0640C.5037AB1F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  f In article <howard-21AB04.21435308122001@enews.newsguy.com>, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> writes:0 >In article <u159e75t3geg61@corp.supernews.com>,2 > Michael Zarlenga <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> wrote: > @ >> I define several foreign commands via SET COMMAND .CLD files. >d >Those aren't foreign commands.e >B- >A foriegn command is set up using the syntaxs >  >$ fcommand:==$image >t >where >i. >fcommand  is the foreign command being set upN >image     is the .EXE file being executed.  The path defaults to SYS$SYSTEM, . >but another path can be specified if desired. >y >oK >A command defined using the SET COMMAND utility is known as a "verb".  Is yA >there a way to detect existing verbs?  I guess you could search .1 >SYS$SHARE:DCLTABLES.EXE to see if it's in there.g >--  >Howard S ShubsoE >"Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!" ) >Golf vs Bug: VW has been cutting corners     E $ SET COMMAND used to define a verb in a process updates a P1 address E space stored table.  A search of the SYS$SHARE:DCLTABLES.EXE will note  necessarily answer the question.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM0            0J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:51:22 -0500o' From: Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> C Subject: Re: How to tell if foreign command (SET COMMAND) is known? < Message-ID: <howard-CE525A.10512209122001@enews.newsguy.com>  0 In article <00A0640C.5037AB1F@SendSpamHere.ORG>,?  system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:i  G > $ SET COMMAND used to define a verb in a process updates a P1 addresssG > space stored table.  A search of the SYS$SHARE:DCLTABLES.EXE will notp" > necessarily answer the question.  + I -did- say "I guess".  Good point, though.o --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"( Golf vs Bug: VW has been cutting corners   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:57:26 +0100t( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>+ Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them knowr- Message-ID: <VA.000004dd.dd5a5405@bluewin.ch>   @ In article <3C1193A3.53645447@fsi.net>, David J. Dachtera wrote: > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > > H > > So Bill, have you spoken to a "significant portion of our enterprise > > customer base"?t > > 6 > > Or does that mean you, and 3 other guys in c.o.v.? > = > Geez, Fred! I truly believed you knew better than that. I'mt > disappointed...r > H > Seems to me "a significant portion of its enterprise customer base" isD > represented by regular posters here including, but not limited to,H > Cerner, Abbott Labs, Sunquest, Nortel, Argonne, Comdisco, to name mostC > of the few that I am aware of outside of the DoD and the academic0E > community. I'll let the posts that have gone through this newsgroup  > group speak for themselves.- > G And I'll just add major banks, stock brokers and their exchanges, mail e@ order companies, car/truck manufacturers, travel agent software < suppliers, and an occasional insurance company to that list. ___q
 Paul Sture Switzerlandl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:45:57 -0500i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>q Subject: IBM VMS and Oracle , Message-ID: <3C13A353.A7D7C1D3@videotron.ca>  M Lets assume for a minute that IBM buys VMS and the alpha *systems* designers.   H VMS is ported to Power4 and the ex-dec engineers build the equivalent ofK wildfires with the power architecture, relegating IA64 to bloated-ware thate runs only wintel stuff.,  N VMS customer are happy to finally be in the hands of a corporation that has noI plans to get rid of their product, and a port to a platform that has more 4 credibility in the arena where quality is important.  K But what would happen with RDB and Oracle, two products fairly key to VMS ?-N Could IBM maintain a cordial relationaship with Oracle for those 2 products onH VMS, or would this mean war, with IBM porting DB2 to VMS and abandonning Oracle on VMS ?3   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:27:19 -0500+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>s4 Subject: RE: install fibre channel to the CI clusterT Message-ID: <BE56C50EA024184DAF48F0B9A47F5CF4016CE6E3@kaoexc01.americas.cpqcorp.net>   Terence,  ? A good place to start when planning CI to SAN migrations is the  following url:6 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/fibre/index.html  D Especially note the updated VMS V7.3 FC and Multipath documents that@ have pointers on this page. These documents have a very detailed9 description on how to setup OpenVMS in a SAN environment.c   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante Compaq Canada Corp.  Professional Servicess Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----( From: Terence [mailto:cavy@hongkong.com] Sent: December 8, 2001 4:25 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComI0 Subject: install fibre channel to the CI cluster     Hello,  D Is anyone managing the CI and fibre channel co-exist cluster system?= Please tell me the information about this system, such as anyhD preparation work before installing fibre channel to the VMS 7.2-1 CI1 cluster, any SYSGEN parameter need to modify,etc.o   Many thanks, Terence.n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 23:12:43 +0800$ From: "Kenneth" <chehon@net-yan.com>. Subject: Is autogen needed for new added disks, Message-ID: <9uvuk5$244r$1@news.net-yan.com>  C We have just add 70 disks to the system, 2 X AS8400 Cluster runninghJ VMS7.2-1, do we need to to a autogen when the disks are firstly install or= we only need to do the autogen after a typical usage of time?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:36:39 +0100e2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomaspauli@arcormail.de>2 Subject: Re: Is autogen needed for new added disks+ Message-ID: <3C13A127.6000005@arcormail.de>f   Hi Kenneth,p  H no, you don't need to run AUTOGEN for that. Just use MCR SYSMAN IO AUTO.   Thomas   Kenneth wrote:  E > We have just add 70 disks to the system, 2 X AS8400 Cluster runningrL > VMS7.2-1, do we need to to a autogen when the disks are firstly install or? > we only need to do the autogen after a typical usage of time?r >  >  >      -- s9 Thomas H. Pauli, Hammersteinstr.19, 14199 Berlin, Germanyj   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2001 04:41:30 -0600e- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen).D Subject: Re: Is there a place to find VMS Source Listing CD mounted?3 Message-ID: <XcKlWOW09eRN@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  T In article <9uuppf$f0r$1@news.chatlink.com>, "Headman" <headman@aaahawk.com> writes:N > Is there a place to find VMS Source Listing CD (EDT and utilities) privately
 > mounted?  B Mounting such in a fashion readable from other machines would be aA violation of the license agreement, so at least I don't think you1 will find people admitting it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 12:35:14 GMTu= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) D Subject: Re: Is there a place to find VMS Source Listing CD mounted?0 Message-ID: <00A0640C.812A9328@SendSpamHere.ORG>  T In article <9uuppf$f0r$1@news.chatlink.com>, "Headman" <headman@aaahawk.com> writes:M >Is there a place to find VMS Source Listing CD (EDT and utilities) privately.	 >mounted?b >  >Thankse >s >Ron >r >m  2 Yes.  They're privately mounted on my InfoServers.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             nJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:33:14 GMTD# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>d< Subject: Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact?< Message-ID: <KCKQ7.22616$pa1.8790823@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messageb< news:pXrQ7.173026$uB.21297134@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... >l > L > Do most people really want to do business with a vendor they distrust thatB > much?  Another instance of treating the symptoms rather than the
 underlyingJ > sickness:  instead of applying Band-Aids all over the company and hopingC > they'll keep enough blood inside it to keep it alive, replace then
 management > and let real healing begin.e >a > - bill >f   Bill,n  G I agree with you, but also keep in mind that that having such things asoL penalty clauses helps to keep things working on a level of honesty and 'bestK efforts' basis. We're talking about reasons Compaq SHOULD give us not to beo$ totally fed up with them and defect.  G Show me the money, show me Compaq that you're willing to put your moneySJ where your mouth is when you layout an OpenVMS and Alpha roadmap, when youI tell me that you're expanding the 3rd-party application portfolio. You'reyL stung me before...this is your last chance. At least with penalty clauses, I; have some compensation should they try the same crap again.t  D Yes, executive management should be drawn, quartered, boiled in oil,I beheaded, cremated, and have their ashes scattered on the seven seas. AndaJ that's coming from a shareholder perspective. As a customer, I believe the same thing should happen too.s  F Moving to a Dell model of sales/production on the PC side makes sense.K Enterprise class products are different - even Dell has large-account salesiI teams that makes customer sales calls/visits. So there is room within oner" company for multiple sales models.  J The axiom in sales is that it's easier to keep the customer you've alreadyI got than to find a new one. Yet Compaq seems to do almost anything in its E power to p*iss off existing customers. And that adversely impacts itsoK ability to get new ones. How many times have people asked you, "What do youtI think of OpenVMS/Tru64, and Alpha?" - and you say, "Greatest things sinceuJ sliced bread and canned beer." And then they ask you, "Would you switch toG OpenVMS/Tru64/Alpha today, bet your company's future and money on thesenL products knowing what you know about Compaq's commitment to those products?"> And you say, ".....fill in this blank with your own words...."     Marketing - creating demandp -----------------------------uK Maybe some of you don't know about what happened at Credit Lyonnais (CL) inSL Paris about 6 years ago. CL is a major French bank. It's primary data centerI supporting their trading operations at head office burned down. They weretF running openVMS clusters, shadowed to a backup site. They were back inH business the next day. Who knows if CL still runs OpenVMS, but post 9/11L Compaq SHOULD have been running ads in the Wall Street Journal and elsewhereI touting this sort of thing - saying that while this occurred 6 years ago, I our shadow/cluster capabilities have improved since then too, and why/how.H they are more sophisticated/more reliable/easier to administer/faster toE recover than any 10 unix solutions, and light years ahead of anything:H offered by Microsoft. It may have been tacky run ads like this given theL 9/11 events, but it certainly was something a lot of companies thought about in the immediate aftermath.p  L Does anybody really need 'Mighty 'Morphin Power Rangers'? Of course not. ButF marketing creates demand. Compaq has an advantage in that what they doL produce actually has usefulness and so they can shamelessly promote the heckI out of it. It's good stuff...treat it that way...be proud of it...let theeJ world know about it. When was the last time a TV ad aired in North AmericaD touting AlphaServers or OpenVMS or Tru64? Yet they spend millions toK advertise PC products that they lose money on for each one they sell. MaybeeF that's what they teach in the current MBA schools, but it's not what I recall.c    K Build some f!cking awareness among the ignorant masses that think computingC' starts and ends with Microsoft or unix.i  L How many kids at universities even know how to spell OpenVMS these days? HowJ many computer labs or general access systems at universities have OpenVMS?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:44:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact?< Message-ID: <YMKQ7.22641$pa1.8800808@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>   More Marketing -----------------i  K Do some decent advertising for once...build some awareness, then do a sale:u  G "Limited time offer on the World's Best Hardware and Operating Systems"   I Buy an AlphaServer model xx or higher and we'' give you your choice of an # OpenVMS or Tru64 license for free.*f   *you pay for o/s support  G Maybe it's nothing that they don't already do from time-to-time, but itnI might be enought to get some buyers thinking that it's as cheap as Linux,r* and better than Windows/HP-UX/AIX/Solaris.   How's it going to hurt?a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:59:28 GMTa6 From: "JoAnn DiFrancesco" <difrancesco@sequeldata.com>< Subject: Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact?- Message-ID: <k%KQ7.23987$Yy.297926@rwcrnsc53>c  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message6 news:YMKQ7.22641$pa1.8800808@news3.rdc1.on.home.com... > More Marketing > -----------------s > G > Do some decent advertising for once...build some awareness, then do a  sale:e > I > "Limited time offer on the World's Best Hardware and Operating Systems"u >sK > Buy an AlphaServer model xx or higher and we'' give you your choice of ant% > OpenVMS or Tru64 license for free.*t >/ > *you pay for o/s support >mI > Maybe it's nothing that they don't already do from time-to-time, but it-K > might be enought to get some buyers thinking that it's as cheap as Linux,e, > and better than Windows/HP-UX/AIX/Solaris. >  > How's it going to hurt?   E Oh, it might hurt revenue short term (the price of the OS licenses in K question) but at the same time the strategy might well generate incremental-J sales of Alpha systems. In the current economic climate it certainly would be worth a try!    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2001 16:47:51 GMTr) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)n< Subject: Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact?' Message-ID: <9v04jn$ep2$3@joe.rice.edu><  " John Smith (a@nonymous.com) wrote: :t : Marketing - creating demando : -----------------------------,J : Maybe some of you don't know about what happened at Credit Lyonnais (CL)J : in Paris about 6 years ago. CL is a major French bank. It's primary dataI : center supporting their trading operations at head office burned down.  K : They were running openVMS clusters, shadowed to a backup site. They were s! : back in business the next day. i  ! That story is still available at:t  M   http://www.success-stories.digital.com/css/cgi-bin/cssextusr/s=display/i=30r"   Success Stories: Credit Lyonnais   VMS Clusters' Trial By Firei  @ That's a surprise, given the efforts to eliminate "digital.com".  I Ad sales are down for the next Super Bowl. Perhaps members of comp.os.vmseH who aren't unemployed can scrape up a collection for a VMS ad to run at 
 half-time.  B It could end with a large burly chap wearing a T-shirt that reads:  $   "Compaq: Wintel Cartel Marketing"   5 silencing the speaker, who just gets out a question: K  8   "Compaq stockholders, why has VMS been kept a secret?"    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:11:28 +0100o1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>y< Subject: Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact?5 Message-ID: <3C13A950.1B437E64@swissonline.delete.ch>p   JoAnn DiFrancesco wrote: > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message8 > news:YMKQ7.22641$pa1.8800808@news3.rdc1.on.home.com... > > More Marketing > > -----------------  > > I > > Do some decent advertising for once...build some awareness, then do ae > sale:V > >-K > > "Limited time offer on the World's Best Hardware and Operating Systems"s > >DM > > Buy an AlphaServer model xx or higher and we'' give you your choice of an0' > > OpenVMS or Tru64 license for free.*w > >h > > *you pay for o/s support > >eK > > Maybe it's nothing that they don't already do from time-to-time, but itrM > > might be enought to get some buyers thinking that it's as cheap as Linux, . > > and better than Windows/HP-UX/AIX/Solaris. > >a > > How's it going to hurt?s > G > Oh, it might hurt revenue short term (the price of the OS licenses in M > question) but at the same time the strategy might well generate incremental L > sales of Alpha systems. In the current economic climate it certainly would > be worth a try!e  H Sure it might lose Compaq just a tiny bit of money but it would probablyH be less than what they would lose on most Windows platforms if they sold! the customer that instead of VMS.     	 John McL.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:25:26 GMTB- From: "FastConnexion" <qwwo.zol@ovunyxnk.com>MY Subject: Keystone VB6 - 18 cd's - all levels 1 to 17 for 60$us for the rest on year 2001  @ Message-ID: <q0OQ7.42641$C8.2470633@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  O Keystone VB6 - 18 cd's - all levels 1 to 17 for 60$us for the rest on year 2001E Fastconnexion@csr.every1.net fastconnexion@weedmail.com FastConnexion@onebox.com fastconnexion@pinoymania.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:03:52 +0100-( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>- Subject: Re: manuals (was Linus' view on VMS)o- Message-ID: <VA.000004e0.ddce13a7@bluewin.ch>o  H In article <EPpQ7.628$Qv.155800@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>, Art Rice wrote: > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:n > 6 > > Personaly I find teh PDF versions better than both= > > bookreader and HTML. Prints nice, and unsing an "industry  > > standard" reader.a > >  > > Jan-Erik Sderholm.  > >  > K > Except that Compaq is offering more and more as "Web Resource"  i.e. HTMLe >sJ Which doesn't offer the search facility of Bookreader. Hmm - time to look + at Martin Vorlaender's port of ht://Dig :-)  ___h
 Paul Sture Switzerlando   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2001 06:36:56 -0600-- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen):- Subject: Re: manuals (was Linus' view on VMS)w3 Message-ID: <pqq70LkzwQqj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <VA.000004e0.ddce13a7@bluewin.ch>, Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> writes:J > In article <EPpQ7.628$Qv.155800@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>, Art Rice wrote: >> Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote: >> o7 >> > Personaly I find teh PDF versions better than both > >> > bookreader and HTML. Prints nice, and unsing an "industry >> > standard" reader. >> > t >> > Jan-Erik Sderholm. >> > r >>  L >> Except that Compaq is offering more and more as "Web Resource"  i.e. HTML >>L > Which doesn't offer the search facility of Bookreader. Hmm - time to look - > at Martin Vorlaender's port of ht://Dig :-)n  B There is nothing better than well-done human indexing, but that is hard to achieve.  C Effective with VMS V7.3 the Master Index is again machine-readable, C although only in one format.  Anyone who finds an indexing omissioneA should send information about what should be indexed to the emailuB address for VMS Documentation.  It is the least you can do for the rest of the user community.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:57:26 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>0 Subject: Re: Modifying ownership of INDEXF.SYS ?- Message-ID: <VA.000004dc.dd5a53f1@bluewin.ch>o  G In article <nvcv0u4v5c78vrq6j27dd5kk7pblvt5hfj@4ax.com>, Richard wrote:m@ > **** Post for FREE via your newsreader at post.usenet.com **** > ? > A little more research says it can't be done with native VMS.g > H > http://www.decus.org/encompass/libcatalog/document_html/vs0174_15.html > O > This page points to a utility that will do what I want, but the link is dead.h > 7 > Anyone have a copy of CHOWN  or know of a valid link?l > O No idea. You have so far managed to escape telling us why you want to do this. aJ As ever, if given full details, someone out here might have a better idea. ___p
 Paul Sture Switzerlandp   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 15:26:17 GMTa3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>- Subject: Re: Oracle problems.0/ Message-ID: <3C1381C2.9F329C06@cableinet.co.uk>@   "Leigh G. Bowden" wrote: > H > We have an AlphaServer 2100 4/200 with two CPU's and 1GB of memory andI > plenty of disks - all shadowed. As far as I am aware it is using Oraclet > 7.1.5 on OpenVMS 6.2 AXP.A > L > It appears to be unreliable. After about three weeks this system will lockI > up and the console will report "Insufficient memory for operation" typetL > errors and will allow nobody to logon even at the console. The only way to$ > get out of this to power cycle it.  D what is the exact error message? Are you sure its not pagefile space0 rather than memory that it is complaining about?  0 The error message should be in the operator.log.   regards    > I > Has anybody experienced this before and got any suggestions for a fix??e  C tell us exactly what the problem is and someone may be able to helpe -- n Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk     C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:01:23 GMTn4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>B Subject: Re: Packard Foundation Tells Merger Urgers to "Paq it In". Message-ID: <TFNQ7.22360$ER5.280578@rwcrnsc52>  1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in messageI) news:u12pe7q8mfa2f3@corp.supernews.com...gJ > HP and Compaq have a steep uphill road.  Between the 2 families about 17L > percent of the stock is under their control.  Add miscellaneous shares whoL > have said they will vote no that means that about 20 percent of shares areL > on record as saying they will vote no.  That means HP/CPQ need to get 62.5K > percent of the remaining shares to vote yes.  That is going to be hard to: > do...u >e  ! Understatement of the week, Jeff!-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:02:38 GMTd4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>B Subject: Re: Packard Foundation Tells Merger Urgers to "Paq it In"- Message-ID: <2HNQ7.19819$wL4.28426@rwcrnsc51>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3C118291.CA6EDB7D@videotron.ca... > Jeff Killeen wrote:i > > L > > HP and Compaq have a steep uphill road.  Between the 2 families about 17J > > percent of the stock is under their control.  Add miscellaneous shares whoiJ > > have said they will vote no that means that about 20 percent of shares are I > > on record as saying they will vote no.  That means HP/CPQ need to geto 62.5J > > percent of the remaining shares to vote yes.  That is going to be hard to	 > > do...s >eF > Carly will just negotiate with those families and offer some sort of	 garantees   > in exchange for their support.  I Ah, so that explains it! Nice to see that someone REALLY knows the score. K Nobody else I've talked to claims to be in the same position, but whatever.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 18:03:31 GMTa4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>B Subject: Re: Packard Foundation Tells Merger Urgers to "Paq it In"- Message-ID: <THNQ7.24660$Yy.301125@rwcrnsc53>a  1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in messagee) news:u137c9t7irtoa7@corp.supernews.com...c >o< > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:3C118291.CA6EDB7D@videotron.ca... > > Jeff Killeen wrote:  > > > K > > > HP and Compaq have a steep uphill road.  Between the 2 families about  17L > > > percent of the stock is under their control.  Add miscellaneous shares > who L > > > have said they will vote no that means that about 20 percent of shares > are-K > > > on record as saying they will vote no.  That means HP/CPQ need to get1 > 62.5L > > > percent of the remaining shares to vote yes.  That is going to be hard > to > > > do...o > >cH > > Carly will just negotiate with those families and offer some sort of > garanteesdL > > in exchange for their support. Remember that HP will eliminate a seriousL > > competitor in the small wintel market. HP will be the only wintel vendor > with > > an "enterprise" focus. >oI > It is interesting speculation as to what could save the deal.  The mosteF > obvious gambit would be to spin off the Consumer products into a newI > Company.  It would solve in single action what the regulators seem mosttJ > interested in plus make the analysts happy while keeping the core of the > deal intact...  G IMHO the consumer products are nothing but a big albatross 'round CPQ'sh neck.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:51:01 +0100e1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> B Subject: Re: Packard Foundation Tells Merger Urgers to "Paq it In"5 Message-ID: <3C13B295.DD9AC6FC@swissonline.delete.ch>h   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:A >  ...m > I > IMHO the consumer products are nothing but a big albatross 'round CPQ's. > neck.   ( That's stating the bleedin' obvious  ;-)  G I'm starting to wonder if a "revised offer" might appear given that oneeB of the biggest stumbling blocks was that the estimates of Compaq'sA earnings for 2002 have taken a nosedive since the original offer.a  G If Capellas didn't find a way to get a large chunk of Alpha developmenteB costs out of the picture before Sep 30th accounts then I bet he is kicking himself now.     John McL   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 15:24:32 GMT  From: Robin <rlb@austin.rr.com>e Subject: Secure Telnet- Message-ID: <3C138236.7F28156B@austin.rr.com>i  : Anyone have any recommendations for running secure telnet?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 15:28:35 GMTi From: Robin <rlb@austin.rr.com>  Subject: Re: Secure Telnet- Message-ID: <3C138329.BAE21B9C@austin.rr.com>    Robin wrote: > < > Anyone have any recommendations for running secure telnet?  / Sorry about no information on what I'm running.h  ! Alphaserver DS10 with OpenVMS 7.3i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 09:08:58 -0700c% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>u Subject: Re: Secure TelnetB Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20011209090822.00adc3d8@raptor.psccos.com>  H One thing you can do is to use SSH and create a secure tunnel for telnetF sessions using port forwarding.  SSH is supported in both Multinet and TCPware.  # At 08:24 AM 12/9/2001, Robin wrote:n; >Anyone have any recommendations for running secure telnet?s   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+tI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Why should I care about posterity?  |iI | Process Software              |   What's posterity ever done for me?" |WI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |wI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:03:52 +0100/( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>! Subject: Re: The demise of compaq - Message-ID: <VA.000004df.ddce139d@bluewin.ch>   F In article <3C123DAE.14169811@moene.indiv.nluug.nl>, Toon Moene wrote: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > 0 > > In article <3C100B2C.270C5F32@videotron.ca>,4 > >  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  > > |> "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:P > > |> > I don't know what technical expertise the CPQ board possesses, but I'llR > > |> > betcha each and every member can read a spreadsheet and follow the money. > > |>S > > |> But if the spreadsheet is made by Winkler and makes it look like it is thosetU > > |> wintel servers that generate all the profits instead of VMS, Tandem and Tru64,yS > > |> then those board members will still not have a clue of what relaly generatese > > |> profits at Compaq.y > > L > > Just out of curiosity, if that was done to influence the decision of the' > > BOD, wouldn't it constitute fraud??t > 3 > Well, you know, perhaps HP starts to have a clue:n > 5 > (From the NY Times front page - i.e., the Web one):l > 8 > "The family foundation that is the largest shareholder4 > of Hewlett-Packard, said it would vote against the# > proposal to buy Compaq Computer."e > * > It's all about trust, not anti-trust :-) >s0 I'll nominate that for the quote of the week :-) ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 13:03:52 +0100-( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqn- Message-ID: <VA.000004de.ddce1389@bluewin.ch>d  ; In article <9uso03$ci4$1@joe.rice.edu>, Jerry Leslie wrote:m+ > Paul Sture (paul.sture@bluewin.ch) wrote:cG > : For a taste of how to develop software the M$ style, have a look attI > : http://www.softwaremarketsolution.com which features an interview by nI > : a certain Joel Spolsky. Don't read this after eating. His website is r > : also full of arrogance.U > :/ > I >   "SMS: Joel, what, in your opinion, is the single greatest development ' >    sin a software company can commit?A > K >    Joel: Deciding to completely rewrite your product from scratch, on theoH >    theory that all your code is messy and bug prone and is bloated andD >    needs to be completely rethought and rebuild from ground zero." >  > I think I'll stick with: > - > "Plan to throw one away; you will, anyhow."o' > "The Mythical Man-Month", Fred Brooks  >e  E Agreed. I'm just looking at a piece of software which to my surprise BI contains 23,000 lines of code. My estimate for the functionality offered hH would be something like 2,000 to 3,000 lines. It just so happens that I I have a new programmer who is keen to be thrown in at the deep end, and a yG total rewrite would be an ideal opportunity to not only get him up and oL running, but end up with a more maintainable program. Better functionality, = documentation, and hands-on training all at the same time :-)t  H >   "SMS: Yes, but isn't such code tight and small? Don't products built2 >    this way avoid the dreaded "bloatware" label? > H >    Joel: Don't get me started! If you're a software company, there areB >    lots of great business reasons to love bloatware. For one, ifH >    programmers don't have to worry about how large their code is, theyK >    can ship it sooner. And that means you get more features, and features$K >    make users' lives better (if they use them) and don't usually hurt (if B >    they don't). As a user, if your software vendor stops, beforeK >    shipping, and spends two months squeezing the code down to make it 50%6J >    smaller, the net benefit to you is going to be imperceptible, but youG >    went for two months without new features that you needed, and THATn >    hurt."l > ; > Thanks for the warning against reading this after eating.s > B > Bloated code means more code that can break later on, as well as" > increasing the costs of testing. >cK Spaghetti FORTRAN and a COBOL IF ... END-IF. spanning a few thousand lines   of code come to mind...a  > > A discussion between Joel Spolsky and Boris Beizer would be  > a pay-for-view event.S >  Sorry, don't know Boris Beizer..   Oh, more of Joel's rubbish at 9 http://www.JoelonSoftware.com/articles/fog0000000073.html   D "There are far too many people around that can work on something andC not really care one way or the other. Even if they are passionately G negative, this can be just as good a sign. "I was working on installing H Foo Bar Mark II for my previous employer, but he was such a dope!" These* are good candidates that we want to hire."  H Sorry, but anyone who puts the knife into a former employer in that way K puts themself straight into the "applicant failed" category for me. What's 3G that person going to be like when dealing with customers or end-users?  I There must be a million ways of expressing dissatisfaction with a former 0& employer without resorting to insults. ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerland-   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Dec 2001 16:34:15 GMTe) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)t! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqa' Message-ID: <9v03q7$ep2$2@joe.rice.edu>   ) Paul Sture (paul.sture@bluewin.ch) wrote:'! : Sorry, don't know Boris Beizer.p :MI He's a software testing and quality assurance  guru. One of his books is:   ;      "Software Testing Techniques", Van Nostrand Reinhold, m7       1990 (2nd edition) ISBN 0-442-20672-0. 503 pages.i  K He's a regular on the comp.software.testing & comp.software-eng newsgroups..   --Jerry Leslie   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 07:14:28 +0000f+ From: John McNulty <knode1@jmtl.com-nospam>s> Subject: Re: Tru64.org Flash Poll on Merger "Pearl Harbor Day"/ Message-ID: <u163rr2cr1on4f@corp.supernews.com>   J     "Over the coming weeks and months, we intend to continue communicating/       its merits to our broad shareowner base."n  L Just how long can they legally drag this out before the shareholders get to  exercise their right to vote?n  L The market for buying Compaq is dead at the moment, because no one can tell L customers what the technology roadmaps look like beyond a couple of years.  J Considering the combined Tru64 and VMS business was worth about, what, $4 K billion before this announcement(?)   This indecision must be slaughtering l Compaq's revenue.       Johnh   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 07:43:41 +0100c& From: "B.Eckstein" <B.Eckstein@cli.de>$ Subject: Re: VAXstation 2000 pinouts% Message-ID: <3C13081D.1080902@cli.de>1   Ian King wrote:r  B > I thought someone had this on a website, but I fear it went awayM > (vaxarchive.com)....  I finally got around to firing up the VAXstation 2000<L > I picked up, and I"m trying to access it through its serial ports, with noF > success.  I'd really appreciate information on (a) which is the bestL > port/connector to select and (b) how to wire it to a standard terminal.  I9 > have a Lear-Siegler ADM-3A aching to chat with it.  :-)e  < Have a look into the OpenVMS-faq for DEC pinouts and wiring:< http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#WIRES1   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 10:06:52 +0000h1 From: Robert DiRosario <rdirosario@starpower.net>-$ Subject: Re: VAXstation 2000 pinouts- Message-ID: <3C1337BB.DFF77E17@starpower.net>a   Ian King wrote::  B > I thought someone had this on a website, but I fear it went awayM > (vaxarchive.com)....  I finally got around to firing up the VAXstation 2000<L > I picked up, and I"m trying to access it through its serial ports, with noF > success.  I'd really appreciate information on (a) which is the bestL > port/connector to select and (b) how to wire it to a standard terminal.  I9 > have a Lear-Siegler ADM-3A aching to chat with it.  :-). >> > Cheers -- Iani  0 There are mirrors of the vaxarchive web site at:  ! http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/r http://vaxarchive.khubla.com/s  - I think this is the link you are looking for:-  5 http://vaxarchive.sevensages.org/hw/vs2000/index.html    Robert   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.684 ************************