1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 12 Dec 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 690       Contents:6 ADV:Xmas-sale Maxtor 80.0GB HDD Only $139 and More !!! Re: Backup of a corrupted disk Re: Backup of a corrupted disk bump RECALL buffer?  bump RECALL buffer? A Re: Compaq Ads - a ray of hope (Re: Compaq now a takeover target) A Re: Compaq Ads - a ray of hope (Re: Compaq now a takeover target)  Re: Compaq without the merger  Re: Compaq without the merger  Re: Compilers and Alpha  Re: Crash Notification Re: Crash Notification Re: Crash Notification0 DDS4 (20/40 GB) tape drives in a Alphaserver 8004 Re: DDS4 (20/40 GB) tape drives in a Alphaserver 800. Re: EDT limits (was: RE: RECALL does not work)P Freeware/GPLed implementation of VMS utilities, was: Re: Looking for .CLD files  Re: ftp problem  Re: ftp problem  Re: ftp problem  RE: ftp problem  RE: ftp problem : RE: How to tell if foreign command (SET COMMAND) is known?" Re: HP Foundations - let them know" Re: HP Foundations - let them know" Re: HP Foundations - let them know" Re: HP Foundations - let them know" Re: HP Foundations - let them know" Re: HP Foundations - let them know" Re: HP Foundations - let them know" Re: HP Foundations - let them know" Re: HP Foundations - let them know" Re: HP Foundations - let them know" Re: HP Foundations - let them know Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20L Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20L Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20L Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20L Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20L Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20L Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20L3 Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact? 3 Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact? 3 Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact?  Itanic news  Re: NTP server with UCX 4.2  Re: Poll" Re: Reflections 8 version of LAT??" Re: Reflections 8 version of LAT??# RE: remote connection and pathworks  Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq Re: The demise of compaq Re: Unix for HELP ... Examples?  Re: Unix for HELP ... Examples?  Re: Unix for HELP ... Examples?  Re: Unix for HELP ... Examples?  Re: Unix for HELP ... Examples? " Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???" Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???" Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???" Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???" Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???" RE: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???& Re: RE: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???" Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???" Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???" Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ??? Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100  Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100  Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100  Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100  RE: VMS 72 on MV 3100  Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100  Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100  Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:07:24 -0800 # From: <sales@mail2.gogotrading.com> ? Subject: ADV:Xmas-sale Maxtor 80.0GB HDD Only $139 and More !!! 6 Message-ID: <1d387001c182fd$2d898ad0$1c01140a@market3>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  - ------=_NextPart_000_1D3871_01C182BA.1F664AD0  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit     <http://www.gogocity.com>H <http://www.gogocity.com/product_details.asp?dept%5Fid=7022&pf%5Fid=CO28 USFLAG> 	American  Flag 3x5 FeetH <http://www.gogocity.com/product_details.asp?dept%5Fid=7022&pf%5Fid=CO28
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D815EPEA2 H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=31&manufactur er=INTEL&parent%5Fid=3> H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=31&manufactur er=INTEL&parent%5Fid=3> MB	89	 MSIP4 (423) 845 H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=31&manufactur8 er=MSI+%2D+MICROSTAR&parent%5Fid=3> MB, Takes SDRAM	110	 MSIP4 (478) 845 Pro4H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=31&manufactur# er=MSI+%2D+MICROSTAR&parent%5Fid=3> H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=31&manufactur+ er=MSI+%2D+MICROSTAR&parent%5Fid=3> MB	145	  IntelPentium 4 (423) 1.6GHz H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactu/ rer=INTEL+%2D+PENTIUM+4&parent%5Fid=3> CPU	169	  IntelPentium 4 (478) 1.4GHz H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactu/ rer=INTEL+%2D+PENTIUM+4&parent%5Fid=3> CPU	149	  Intel Pentium 4 (478) 1.6GHzH <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactu/ rer=INTEL+%2D+PENTIUM+4&parent%5Fid=3> CPU	199	  IntelPentium 4 (478) 1.7GHz H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactu/ rer=INTEL+%2D+PENTIUM+4&parent%5Fid=3> CPU	225	  IntelPentium 4 (478) 1.8GHz H <http://www.gogocity.com//product_details.asp?dept%5Fid=903&pf%5Fid=CO02 CPU0232> CPU	245	  IntelPentium 4 (478) 1.9GHz H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactu/ rer=INTEL+%2D+PENTIUM+4&parent%5Fid=3> CPU	299	  Intel Pentium 4 (478) 2.0GHzH <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactu/ rer=INTEL+%2D+PENTIUM+4&parent%5Fid=3> CPU	439	  GIGABYTE MB	  B GIGABYTE (AMD, Socket A) GA-7IXEH VIA Chipset KT133E ATX  (Retail)H <http://www.gogocity.com//product_details.asp?dept%5Fid=31&pf%5Fid=CO02M B0248>   63 H <http://www.gogocity.com//search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=31&manufactu rer=GIGABYTE>    AMD CPU / MOTHERBOARD	 AMDAthlon T-Bird 900Mhz H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactu; rer=AMD+%2D+ATHLON+200MHZ+FSB+%28SOCKET+A%29&parent%5Fid=3> H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactuC rer=AMD+%2D+ATHLON+200MHZ+FSB+%28SOCKET+A%29&parent%5Fid=3> CPU	59	  AMDAthlon T-Bird 950Mhz H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactu; rer=AMD+%2D+ATHLON+200MHZ+FSB+%28SOCKET+A%29&parent%5Fid=3> H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactuD rer=AMD+%2D+ATHLON+200MHZ+FSB+%28SOCKET+A%29&parent%5Fid=3> CPU	64 	 AMDAthlon T-Bird 1.0GHz H <http://http://www.gogocity.com//product_details.asp?dept%5Fid=903&pf%5F id=CO02CPU0210> H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactuC rer=AMD+%2D+ATHLON+200MHZ+FSB+%28SOCKET+A%29&parent%5Fid=3> CPU	86	  AMDAthlon T-Bird 1.2GHz H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactu; rer=AMD+%2D+ATHLON+200MHZ+FSB+%28SOCKET+A%29&parent%5Fid=3> H <http://www.gogocity.com/search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufactuD rer=AMD+%2D+ATHLON+200MHZ+FSB+%28SOCKET+A%29&parent%5Fid=3> CPU	99 	 AMDAthlon T-Bird 1.33GHzH <http://www.gogocity.com//search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufact@ urer=AMD+%2D+ATHLON+266MHZ+FSB+%28SOCKET+A%29&parent%5Fid=3> CPU 113	 AMDAthlon T-Bird 1.4GHz H <http://www.gogocity.com//product_details.asp?dept%5Fid=903&pf%5Fid=CO02 CPU0212> CPU	125	  AMD ATHLON XP 1600+ H <http://www.gogocity.com//search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufact urer=AMD+XP> CPU	125	  AMD ATHLON XP 1700+ H <http://www.gogocity.com//search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufact urer=AMD+XP> CPU	157	  AMD ATHLON XP 1800+ H <http://www.gogocity.com//search_manufacturer.asp?dept%5Fid=903&manufact urer=AMD+XP> CPU	218	  MSIK7T266 Pro2 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After BACKUP has done\ > generating all the errors, it then seems to continue happily with other files/directories. >  > N > Obvioiusly, I have to consider this backup to be incomplete. So plan B is toX > restore a previous backup onto a new drive. However, I do have the following question: > N > If I restore from the untrustable save set all files whose modification dateO > is after the file that was restored from the previous backup, what happens ifrL > one such file was in fact a file which could not be fully backed-up due toR > drive errors ? Will it restore a corrupted file or will it just skip that file ?  3 Please try an ana/disk/norepair off you system diski  ' Check the errors and try to repair themn   with  ' ana/disk/repair or ana/disk/repair/conff    ? if this has succes try to make another system backup. If it has=C succes, restore the tape on another disk. (backup should fit on newo disk of course)i   or:"C another way is too take another systembackup tape (if it is not toot old) the on one before this one.>< and restore that tape on another disk. You can then copy youD sysuaf.dat rightlist.dat, netproxy.dat, net$proxy.dat file from your( old system disk to your new system disk.   Regards Kor.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:50:09 GMTc' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>1' Subject: Re: Backup of a corrupted disk " Message-ID: <3c17527e@zfree.co.nz>   Ha die Kor,"  ; before attempting to run the disk analyzer, I'd recommend a8< physical backup. This takes time, since all disk blocks are 7 copied, but it reduces actuator movements to a minimum.e? It does mean that the restore requires a disk of the same modelX as the original.1 After that backup, by all means try analyze/disk.g   Groeten,  
 Hans Vlems  , Kor.Rinkens@libertel.nl (Kor Rinkens) wrote:b >JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3C166201.684F63ED@videotron.ca>...I >> While doing a backup of my system disk, the system started to generate  oodlesJ >> of mount verification messages, and the backup log indicated some fatal drivegG >> errors (SYSTEM-F-DRVERR). But it only generated those files in a fewtG >> directories (probably bad areas on the drive). After BACKUP has done.J >> generating all the errors, it then seems to continue happily with other files/directories. >> l >> iI >> Obvioiusly, I have to consider this backup to be incomplete. So plan B2 is togO >> restore a previous backup onto a new drive. However, I do have the followingr	 question:d >> "J >> If I restore from the untrustable save set all files whose modification dateM >> is after the file that was restored from the previous backup, what happensD ifJ >> one such file was in fact a file which could not be fully backed-up due toL >> drive errors ? Will it restore a corrupted file or will it just skip that file ? >r4 >Please try an ana/disk/norepair off you system disk >t( >Check the errors and try to repair them >S >with% >d( >ana/disk/repair or ana/disk/repair/conf >b >e@ >if this has succes try to make another system backup. If it hasD >succes, restore the tape on another disk. (backup should fit on new >disk of course) >i >or:D >another way is too take another systembackup tape (if it is not too >old)t >the on one before this one.= >and restore that tape on another disk. You can then copy you3E >sysuaf.dat rightlist.dat, netproxy.dat, net$proxy.dat file from youri) >old system disk to your new system disk.= >1 >Regards Kor       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:28:03 GMT32 From: "frank brown" <frank.brown@ci.seattle.wa.us> Subject: bump RECALL buffer?3 Message-ID: <TkNR7.526$yb4.23945@news-west.eli.net>n  G Any way to increase DCL's RECALL buffer to >20 commands?  I'm using VMSn 5.5-2.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:47:32 +0100 (MET)c9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>D Subject: bump RECALL buffer?; Message-ID: <01KBSJHG11U89138XQ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>c  I > Any way to increase DCL's RECALL buffer to >20 commands?  I'm using VMSi > 5.5-2.   ^^^^^a Run a new version of VMS:o   RECALL    E      Displays up to 254 previously entered commands on the screen for=      subsequent execution.  9 This has been around AT LEAST since 7.1 (7.3 is current)./  I Someone, somewhere has a package, written in MACRO I believe, which will CD (on VAX---but if you're at 5.5-2 you're on VAX) increase the recall 1 buffer.  At least I think so; I've never used it.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:14:53 -0500<* From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@Compaq.com>J Subject: Re: Compaq Ads - a ray of hope (Re: Compaq now a takeover target)* Message-ID: <3C174A3D.D4D25D34@Compaq.com>  L   For what it's worth, Compaq did come out with a "rugged case" option last I month which makes the iPaq handhelds more resistant to spills, dust, and C
 dropping.   D   http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10971_div/10971_div.HTML   JF Mezei wrote:N > N > There is one tiny problem with that ad. the Ipaq is really cute and has someP > fancy attachements for it. However, until Compaq produces a ruggedized versionL > of it, it won't really cut it in the lettuce wharehouses to allow folks to > access the data real-time.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:00:43 -05001- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>tJ Subject: Re: Compaq Ads - a ray of hope (Re: Compaq now a takeover target), Message-ID: <3C179B4A.86660A44@videotron.ca>   Joshua Cope wrote: > M >   For what it's worth, Compaq did come out with a "rugged case" option lastOJ > month which makes the iPaq handhelds more resistant to spills, dust, and > dropping.> > F >   http://www.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10971_div/10971_div.HTML  J That is just a case that goes around the standard Ipaq. I am not sure thatL this is truly acceptable in ruggedized environments. (especially if you haveN to flip the copver open to get to the touch screen. And there is no mention onL how the case allows for a wireless module/antenna, bar code scanner etc etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 04:21:01 -0500d& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>& Subject: Re: Compaq without the merger/ Message-ID: <u1e8c45u5gcj51@corp.supernews.com>/  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message7 news:v9pR7.30040$pa1.11639815@news3.rdc1.on.home.com...<  A > Typical industry and press talk - no real mention of enterprisewI > architecture, systems, or o/s products. Any why is that? Because Compaq4H > never emphasizes this in their meetings with analysts and the press. A6 > hypothetical conversation, hypothetically overheard:  $ Lead from yesterday's WSJ article...   December 11, 2001<  ! Compaq Continues to Back H-P Deald& But Is Beginning to Rethink Its Future  3 By GARY MCWILLIAMS, MOLLY WILLIAMS and PUI-WING TAM<* Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL  J With its proposed sale to Hewlett-Packard Co. in jeopardy, Compaq ComputerK Corp. is beginning to look at the possibility of an alternative future as a8C stand-alone firm with a renewed focus on big corporate customers...F   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:47:11 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>/& Subject: Re: Compaq without the merger, Message-ID: <3C17981F.738049B7@videotron.ca>   Jeff Killeen wrote:oL > With its proposed sale to Hewlett-Packard Co. in jeopardy, Compaq ComputerM > Corp. is beginning to look at the possibility of an alternative future as aiE > stand-alone firm with a renewed focus on big corporate customers...S  H This doesn't mean a focus away from Wintel. Big corporate customers alsoK consume wintel stuff. And with all the fat inherited from Digital, the onlyDN way that Compaq is going to make use of the service side of the business is if it targets large customers.O   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2001 14:31:56 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)t  Subject: Re: Compilers and Alpha, Message-ID: <9v7pos$31cl$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  3 In article <T7qeUEM50oKA@eisner.encompasserve.org>,=0  Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: |>E |> It must be that what was under discussion was an agreement betweenaH |> Compaq and Intel that Compaq would not hire them back for some period! |> of time.  That would be legal.3  C I can not believe that two parties agreeing to limit the employmentfA options of a third party is legal, but it definitely isn't moral.t   bill   -- tJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 04:59:46 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen). Subject: Re: Crash Notificationr3 Message-ID: <CAs6jVZb5A4r@eisner.encompasserve.org>D  Y In article <1011212013230.64413B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:=  G > However, I was just looking at CLUE$STARTUP.COM today, and in fact it8G > runs ANALYZE/CRASH in a detached process, so it shouldn't be clearing= > the "already analyzed" flag.  C Certainly the "already analyzed" flag is stored on disk so as to be"E valid after a Halt/Reboot cycle.  My presumption has always been thatK it is in the dump file.S  D If CLUE is running SDA, then look at CLUE results (or lack thereof).   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 07:58:26 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i Subject: Re: Crash Notification33 Message-ID: <gQblbI+mfOib@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  Y In article <1011212013230.64413B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:>  J > My understanding was SDA checked to see if it was in the startup processI > (process name = "STARTUP"), and if so, it checked a flag that meant thehI > dump was from a new (unanalyzed) crash.  If set, it copyied and cleareduK > the flag.  If clear, COPY is a NOP.  This was to prevent copying the dump3B > file on normal boots, or if the dump file contained only an old, > previously saved crash dump.  G    I haven't tried it, but I did check the documentation recently.  SDANH    COPY is still documented as having that behaviour, but I don't recallF    itchecking the process name, just the dump file contents, to see ifD    it should copy.  IIRC doing a copy after boot (certainly not withF    process name STARTUP) would also work once, but Ihavne't tried that    since VMS 2.5.D  E    Does the CLU copy work the same and can you check for it's output??   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:47:31 GMTn1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>T Subject: Re: Crash Notification"2 Message-ID: <3C176DA3.25CBC21E@clarityconnect.com>  E See documentation for CLUE$SITE_PROC which gets invoked directly fromr= the CLUE HISTORY command which is what CLUE$STARTUP executes./   Bob Koehler wrote: > [ > In article <1011212013230.64413B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:e > L > > My understanding was SDA checked to see if it was in the startup processK > > (process name = "STARTUP"), and if so, it checked a flag that meant the>K > > dump was from a new (unanalyzed) crash.  If set, it copyied and clearedaM > > the flag.  If clear, COPY is a NOP.  This was to prevent copying the dumprD > > file on normal boots, or if the dump file contained only an old,  > > previously saved crash dump. > I >    I haven't tried it, but I did check the documentation recently.  SDAMJ >    COPY is still documented as having that behaviour, but I don't recallH >    itchecking the process name, just the dump file contents, to see ifF >    it should copy.  IIRC doing a copy after boot (certainly not withH >    process name STARTUP) would also work once, but Ihavne't tried that >    since VMS 2.5.l > G >    Does the CLU copy work the same and can you check for it's output?i   -- 1D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:01:29 -0200 (EDT)n From: becherini@vortex.ufrgs.br 9 Subject: DDS4 (20/40 GB) tape drives in a Alphaserver 800i, Message-ID: <01121211012945@vortex.ufrgs.br>  : Received:	by vortex.ufrgs.br (V5.0A-1, OpenVMS V7.2 Alpha)+ From:		Fabio Becherini <becherini@ufrgs.br>5 Reply-to:	<becherini@ufrgs.br>< Comments:	@vortex.ufrgs.br, vortex(46.451)::, psi%........::2 References:	BR, TCHE, UFRGS, CPD network, Cia-INFO- Organization:	Cia-INFO /DRS /CPD-UFRGS /UFRGSa< ____________________________________________________________     	Hi,  7 	We have an AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2..  3 	Is it possible to upgrade our DAT DDS3 tape drivesu 	to DDS4 (20/40 GB) drives ?  ! 	Is it possible with OpenVMS V7.2e  	or we need to upgrade VMS too ?   	Best regards,  <   __________________________________________________________=  |                                                          |t=  | Fabio Becherini                 Fabio.Becherini@ufrgs.br |l=  |                              Webmaster, Postmaster UFRGS | =  |                 Grupo de Suporte a Sistemas Operacionais |g=  | Centro de Atendimento a Incidentes de Seguranca da UFRGS |>=  |     Coordenacao da Cia-INFO (c) Ophicin@ das Informacoes |5=  |__________________________________________________________|o=  |                                                          |"=  |    CPD-UFRGS - Centro de Processamento de Dados da UFRGS | =  |                                Divisao de Rede e Suporte |D=  |                Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Sul |o=  |                     (55)(51) 3316-5041 / 3331-1215 (fax) |/=  |   Rua Ramiro Barcelos, 2574 - Porto Alegre - RS - Brasil |A=  |__________________________________________________________|t   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2001 15:16:43 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)"= Subject: Re: DDS4 (20/40 GB) tape drives in a Alphaserver 800r0 Message-ID: <9v7scr$g5f$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  N In article <01121211012945@vortex.ufrgs.br>, becherini@vortex.ufrgs.br writes:8 >	We have an AlphaServer 800 5/500 running OpenVMS V7.2. >l4 >	Is it possible to upgrade our DAT DDS3 tape drives >	to DDS4 (20/40 GB) drives ?o >r" >	Is it possible with OpenVMS V7.2! >	or we need to upgrade VMS too ?>  G I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be possible. Of course the SCSIc3 specifications of the new DDS4 drives should match.a   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanni  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:49:38 GMT=- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>m7 Subject: Re: EDT limits (was: RE: RECALL does not work)i* Message-ID: <3C174A48.9080508@qsl.network>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  J > In article <3C150C61.B26BAA4D@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > K >>You forgot one of the most important features. EDT will keep the originalLN >>file attributes, a file with fixed record sizes etc. will stay the same. EVE" >>will change the file attributes. >> > @ > Have these both fixed the bug of putting an output file in the? > first level of a rooted directory (e.g., SYS$SPECIFIC) rather44 > than the level in which the input file was found ? > = > When rooted directories were first introduced, TECO was the8  > only editor that got it right.    F I can not seem to remember a version of EVE that did not get it right.  E I never really used EDT, as I had a 62 line terminal on my desk, and rH with VAX/VMS 3.x, TECO was the only editor that supported for it's full  screen display mode.  F Never used VTEDIT.TEC, on a VAX 11/750, and the same terminal, it was  just too slow.     -Johno   wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:04:46 GMT G From: Simon Clubley <simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFP> Y Subject: Freeware/GPLed implementation of VMS utilities, was: Re: Looking for .CLD files o6 Message-ID: <2uJR7.58733$xS6.95358@www.newsranger.com>  O On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:22:01 GMT, in article <3C16CD98.8F24DA78@fsi.net>, Davidw J. Dachtera wrote: >  >Larry Kilgallen wrote:  >> s^ >> In article <3C1580C2.1E787E77@fsi.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> writes: >> iI >> > I'm hoping he's taking up the idea to write freeware versions of the J >> > command programs for the revived FreeVMS project. Thus, he would needF >> > the .CLDs so the correct calls to the CLI$ routines can be coded. >> kH >> Then it would not be freeware, since it would rely on DEC's coding ofD >> the .CLD files.  Anything unencumbered would have to be done from& >> scratch based on the documentation. >a  K I would hope that the FreeVMS people have considered the legal implications$G of how they go about building a VMS clone. They may want to look at theaJ advice that the FSF makes available to Unix people wishing to re-implement Unix utilities under the GPL.e  G For example, some of the people best able to help may not be able to do1? so because they have too much knowledge of the VMS source code.e  I >Yeah, I guess you're right on that score. One could just build one's own F >COPY.CLD and use a local (process private?) command table to test theD >program. Just reDEFINE SYS$SYSTEM /PROCESS or /JOB and/or make it aH >search list, including the system-wide translation as the second index.  I This does raise the question of what you are allowed or not allowed to doe8 when re-implementing VMS utilities as freeware/GPL code.  G For example, after I have finished writing my device driver, one of the,I next projects that I am considering is to write a Linux implementation of,F TPU. The ultimate aim would be to allow EVE to run (on Ultrix mode) onD Linux. Some of the questions that I have been considering are below.  D [BTW, this is a _big_ project, but depending on how long it takes toG implement the TPU library, it is looking as if it would be possible forr one person to do.]  D If I did implement enough of TPU to be useful, then I would considerH releasing it under the GPL. However, this does raise a number of points:  H 1) Would CPQ get upset that I had implemented one of "their" languages ?  F 2) Since one of the goals would be to allow EVE to run on Linux, wouldF CPQ get upset if people started copying EVE from their local system to< run on Linux ? How about if only hobbyists copied over EVE ?  D [The issue here is, because the code is in SYS$EXAMPLES,  are we areE allowed to use it as we wish (provided that we knowledge the source),tE or are strict restrictions still in place ? The issue is that code ineE SYS$EXAMPLES is usually provided as a means for people to borrow fromnH for their own code; this is what I have done with LRDRIVER for example.]  J 3) [I want to make it very clear that _my_ intention would be to build theH message file from the ground up as I believe that the answer is that you can't do this]:r  J One of the things that a TPU re-implementation would need is a TPU messageK file. One source of this would be to take them out of the current VMS basednL TPU message file. However, I think that you would not be allowed to do this. Do others agree ?-  J If I do proceed with the project, I am considering implementing it in Ada,I as I wish to improve my Ada skills. However, I am aware that if I were to9D ever release it, then it may be more accessable to people if it were
 written in C.'  K I am interested in hearing _constructive_ comments on this language choice.1   Simon.  K PS: I am aware that there are various EDT style options available on Linux;c3 however, I am interested in a full TPU environment.X   -- v@ Simon Clubley, simon_clubley@remove_me.altavista.co.uk-Earth.UFPK In the task of removing Microsoft from the marketplace, I have discovered aVE truly remarkable plan, but this signature is too small to contain it.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:33:43 GMT 1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi>w Subject: Re: ftp problem4 Message-ID: <rLDR7.5956$zZ5.120232@news.kpnqwest.fi>  E Yes, I used CONVERT and that made me  make wrong concluson. I assumedhE (wrongly) that  SET FILE/ATTR and CONVERT/FDL  will produce identical ! results. The SET FILE/ATTR works.r   thanks for correctiono   -Kari-  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message:0 news:1011212004618.64413A-100000@Ives.egh.com...' > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Dirk Munk wrote:' >o > >C > >  > > Kari Keronen wrote:e > >e4 > > > > But doesn't SET F|ILE/ATT:RFM:STMLF filenameK > > > > work if the file is downloaded in binary mode? Assuming the file isr acJ > > > > Unix format ASCII file then a binary download will get it onto the VMSnI > > > > system exactly as is. So changing to STMLF to match the Unix fileh typeK > > > > should work. If you download using the ftp client from Netscape you'F > > > > end up with files already in STMLF format - not fixed 512 byte > > > > records. > > > >-L > > > Using TCPIP 5.1 ECO 3 ftp client I ended up fixed 512 byte records (as' > > > expected) when using binary mode.j > > >: > > > From VMS help: > > >RF > > >      o  Specifying IMAGE results in a sequential file with fixedF > > >         records of 512 bytes. Select this type when transferring= > > >         non-ASCII files such as executable image files.h > > >h# > > > SET FILE/ATTR won't fix this.s > > >  > >pK > > Sorry, but you are wrong in this case. When you choose binary mode, the. fileL > > will be a exact copy of the the file on the Linux system, byte for byte,K > > including line terminators like <cr> and <lf>. These terminators are in  theiJ > > file, that is the important issue. Normally these terminators would be used ineI > > ASCII FTP to determine the end of a record, so the FTP utility on the-
 other sideK > > can do with the record what ever it wants to. A image file doesn't havee realL > > records, that is why you don't have record attributes like <cr> etc. The so8 > > called record is merely a disk block, and that's it. > >aK > > Now if you examine the file by using dump, you can determine which lineuC > > terminator was used, <cr>, <lf>, or <cr><lf>. Changing the file 
 attributes to J > > Stream-LF, Stream-CR or Stream-CRLF for instance will tell RMS to look	 for thoseiH > > terminators in the file, and to disregard the block boundaries as is normal with K > > most files. Of course you have to change the maximum record length too,s usuallyHL > > to the maximum of 32676 (just like with files produced with C-programs). I haveI > > used this method quite often with files downloaded from the internet,p	 and I cane > > assure you it works. >oE > I just want to add:  Change the file with $ SET FILE/ATTR.  *Don't*f convertnJ > it.  CONVERT will assume your original file really was fixed-length, 512H > byte records and will convert it to a variable length record file withL > implied carriage control where all the records just happen to be 512 bytesJ > long (if the output of CONVERT is sequential variable), or it will stuffJ > in a <CR>, <LF>, or <CR><LF> every 512 characters (if the output file isL > Stream-CR, Stream-LF, or Stream-CRLF respectively.)  None of these formatsI > is correct; your file already has the Unix <LF>'s in it, you don't wanto > to add them. > J > I'm not 100% sure, but IIRC the original post said you had converted theE > output file to Stream-LF and it just inserted spurious line breaks,o< > which is exactly what I would expect in this circumstance. >  > --
 > John Santost > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:26:20 -0500u  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: ftp problem6 Message-ID: <1011212032324.64413A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ( On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Kari Keronen wrote:  G > Yes, I used CONVERT and that made me  make wrong concluson. I assumed G > (wrongly) that  SET FILE/ATTR and CONVERT/FDL  will produce identicall# > results. The SET FILE/ATTR works.  >  > thanks for correctiong  @ I'm happy it helped, but it was Dirk who figured it out - I just@ clarified and and emphasized it a little.  (and obfuscated, too, probably :-)     > -Kari- > / > "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in messages2 > news:1011212004618.64413A-100000@Ives.egh.com...) > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Dirk Munk wrote:v > >y > > >a > > >| > > > Kari Keronen wrote:| > > > 6 > > > > > But doesn't SET F|ILE/ATT:RFM:STMLF filenameM > > > > > work if the file is downloaded in binary mode? Assuming the file isr > alL > > > > > Unix format ASCII file then a binary download will get it onto the > VMSsK > > > > > system exactly as is. So changing to STMLF to match the Unix filet > typeM > > > > > should work. If you download using the ftp client from Netscape youaH > > > > > end up with files already in STMLF format - not fixed 512 byte > > > > > records.	 > > > > >aN > > > > Using TCPIP 5.1 ECO 3 ftp client I ended up fixed 512 byte records (as) > > > > expected) when using binary mode.y > > > >i > > > > From VMS help: > > > >nH > > > >      o  Specifying IMAGE results in a sequential file with fixedH > > > >         records of 512 bytes. Select this type when transferring? > > > >         non-ASCII files such as executable image files.c > > > >a% > > > > SET FILE/ATTR won't fix this.f > > > >r > > >aM > > > Sorry, but you are wrong in this case. When you choose binary mode, thet > fileN > > > will be a exact copy of the the file on the Linux system, byte for byte,M > > > including line terminators like <cr> and <lf>. These terminators are ina > the L > > > file, that is the important issue. Normally these terminators would be	 > used inlK > > > ASCII FTP to determine the end of a record, so the FTP utility on theo > other sideM > > > can do with the record what ever it wants to. A image file doesn't have  > realN > > > records, that is why you don't have record attributes like <cr> etc. The > so: > > > called record is merely a disk block, and that's it. > > > M > > > Now if you examine the file by using dump, you can determine which lineIE > > > terminator was used, <cr>, <lf>, or <cr><lf>. Changing the file) > attributes tooL > > > Stream-LF, Stream-CR or Stream-CRLF for instance will tell RMS to look > for thosecJ > > > terminators in the file, and to disregard the block boundaries as is
 > normal with1M > > > most files. Of course you have to change the maximum record length too,C	 > usuallycN > > > to the maximum of 32676 (just like with files produced with C-programs). > I haveK > > > used this method quite often with files downloaded from the internet,  > and I canR > > > assure you it works. > >tG > > I just want to add:  Change the file with $ SET FILE/ATTR.  *Don't*t	 > converthL > > it.  CONVERT will assume your original file really was fixed-length, 512J > > byte records and will convert it to a variable length record file withN > > implied carriage control where all the records just happen to be 512 bytesL > > long (if the output of CONVERT is sequential variable), or it will stuffL > > in a <CR>, <LF>, or <CR><LF> every 512 characters (if the output file isN > > Stream-CR, Stream-LF, or Stream-CRLF respectively.)  None of these formatsK > > is correct; your file already has the Unix <LF>'s in it, you don't want  > > to add them. > >rL > > I'm not 100% sure, but IIRC the original post said you had converted theG > > output file to Stream-LF and it just inserted spurious line breaks,t> > > which is exactly what I would expect in this circumstance. > >I > > -- > > John Santoss  > > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > > 781-861-0670 ext 539 > >y >  >  >  >    -- t John Santosi Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:31:57 -0000i4 From: "Chris Sharman" <chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk> Subject: Re: ftp problemB Message-ID: <1008149338.27700.0.nnrp-12.9e989e7e@news.demon.co.uk>  J > >It's simply very badly broken, regardless of what your Unix admins say. > . > But doesn't SET F|ILE/ATT:RFM:STMLF filenameG > work if the file is downloaded in binary mode? Assuming the file is aV   Seems reasonable.	H We have a perfectly good Mac ftp server that does both, and we carefullyK switch it to binary, and then mend the file at the VMS end, for performanceC reasons.D "$ set file/attr" or "$ dfu set" on earlier versions does all that's1 necessary, or RMS $modify from an application ..._  J Mind you - text files are broken anyway on our Mac - mostly stream_cr, butF the app has to handle huge chunks of stream_lf in the middle of a file) sometimes - $modify comes in very useful.e   Chrise   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:30:38 -0500_( From: "Daniel P Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> Subject: RE: ftp problem: Message-ID: <PHECLHHFDGKPFDHKILFNKENGCAAA.dallen@nist.gov>   -----Original Message-----9 From: Chris Sharman [mailto:chris.sharman@ccagroup.co.uk]m* Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:32 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn Subject: Re: ftp problem      K >> >It's simply very badly broken, regardless of what your Unix admins say.h >>/ >> But doesn't SET F|ILE/ATT:RFM:STMLF filename_H >> work if the file is downloaded in binary mode? Assuming the file is a   >Seems reasonable.I >We have a perfectly good Mac ftp server that does both, and we carefully L >switch it to binary, and then mend the file at the VMS end, for performance	 >reasons.d  F 	Kari's problem was that the FTP Server ALWAYS sent the file in BINARYK mode EVEN WHEN THE CLIENT REQUESTED ASICII. The VMS FTP client is expectingi CRLF'sI in the network data and when it doesn't get them tries to write the whole- file as one-K variable format record. If the file size is over the RMS record limit (32K)t sheaI gets a RMS_W_RTB error. Even when the file is shorter than 32K, using seteH FILE won't work because the file has the RMS record length header in it.  K 	While you can work around the problem requesting BINARY mode transfers andr "mend"H the file using SET FILE (and as Chris points out there may be legitimate performanceoC issues for such a tactic) a legitimate FTP server must refuse ASCII	 transfers if itrB does not wish to support them - not send a console message that is out-of-band to> the FTP protocol and then send the data in binary mode anyway.   Dan,   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 12:09:55 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)s Subject: RE: ftp problem3 Message-ID: <mslTrbGlFsdg@eisner.encompasserve.org>   e In article <PHECLHHFDGKPFDHKILFNKENGCAAA.dallen@nist.gov>, "Daniel P Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes:m > H > 	Kari's problem was that the FTP Server ALWAYS sent the file in BINARYM > mode EVEN WHEN THE CLIENT REQUESTED ASICII. The VMS FTP client is expecting- > CRLF'sK > in the network data and when it doesn't get them tries to write the wholem
 > file as oneb > variable format record.   C    We have a simmilar probelm with an HP 16500C logic analyzer.  No3H    matter what you tell it to do, it send data in binary mode.  Since itG    writes MS-DOS text files, it's easiest to FTP them to a PC, then useg0    a real FTP to put them on any other computer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:07:34 -0000l7 From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@reading.sema.slb.com> C Subject: RE: How to tell if foreign command (SET COMMAND) is known?tH Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE015290CB@reaes2.sema.co.uk>  ' From: Howard S Shubs (howard@shubs.net)u > ) > In article <3C157EFB.220B0BCB@fsi.net>,i5 >  "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> wrote:h > L > > Building a private command table (disk file) does not require privilege.D > > Actually modifying your UAF record to use it is another question
 > > entirely.3 > L > Since that's not necessary, it doesn't matter.  Once logged in, you can do ae >  > $ SET COMMAND/TABLE=file > K > and switch over, as far as I can tell.  Modifying the UAF record is only t# > necessary to use it -by default-.- > -- - >   1 Alas it isn't that simple, thanks to a buggette.    B Sticking the SET COMMAND/TABLE=table in your login.com will appearC to work fine until you try using it in a piped command (or a spawn, ( but that tends to to be needed so often.  5@ If I have a command JOHN defined in JPTABLES (which I created by@ cloning the TYPE command for this example), I can happily type.. $ JOHN FRED.DAT ,KA - and it will do its work on FRED.DAT. If however I try to refine" the output with a command like0 $ PIPE  JOHN FRED.DAT  | SEARCH SYS$INPUT "PAGE"B - you will get 'no strings matched' - and that is because the only< output from the front of the pipe is a DCL-W-IVVERB warning!  ? IOW, SET COMMAND/TABLE does not work with piped input. This bug.? has been around since day 1 of PIPE. I suspect it came from theD? fact that SPAWN never worked properly - it never propagated thea> dcl tables down to subprocesses. This was not so important, as@ it would hardly ever arise. However when they created pipe, they? unthinkingly cloned the same error - and here it can cause real 	 problems.k  @ There is a rather kludgy workaround - whenever you are PIPEing a$ command add the set command in. e.g.B pip (SET COMM/TABLE=JPTABLES ; john FRED.DAT) | sea sys$input page  > - this will do the job, but it destroys the idea of 'plug into8 login.com and forget' - it needs renewing on every pipe.   - John  7 John Powers - New dog-free sig file under construction.o    K ___________________________________________________________________________CB This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of i SchlumbergerSema. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this,I email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or ,- copying of this email is strictly prohibited.o  z If you have received this email in error please notify the SchlumbergerSema Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:47:39 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s+ Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them knowi, Message-ID: <3C1719A5.28A35B3E@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:F >         Merced is Dead.  Has been Dead.  Never had a chance.  But as! >         Paul Demone points out:u > ( >                         Merced != IA64  J Could you please explain this ? I was under the impresison that Merced wasA Intel's first attempt at generating silicon to implement its IA64ST architecture. Somewhat akin to 21064, the first iteration of the Alpha architecture.  * If that isn't so, can you please explain ?   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:38:20 +0100 (MET)o9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>I+ Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them know[; Message-ID: <01KBS8L4VACC9138XQ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>b  H > > I think Fred is right when it comes to keeping VMS about where it isK > > now.  Despite the doom mongerers, the VMS market is about the same sizeu > > as it was 10 years ago.e > J > Is it?  I would have been inclined to agree with that statement any timeN > prior to June 25th, but do you have any reason to believe that the situation* > hasn't changed significantly since then? > I > The Q3 financials suggest that Alpha revenue, which had been relativelysK > unaffected by the 'slowdown' (or whatever you call it) through Q2, took ae > major dive in Q3.  f  G I was talking about the "installed base" or whatever.  Revenue applies nD mainly to new sales.  Someone mentioned that "time to market" isn't E really a valid object of comparison with the PC world.  For the same tE reason, a major dive in Q3 is a squiggle on a multi-year curve.  For mF various reasons, not all having to do with the end of ALPHA or the HP D merger, many firms aren't investing this year as much as previously.  D In terms of "boxes being used to generate profits in a company" the E market is probably about the same size it was 10 years ago.  Even if kC no-one bought anything in Q3, this wouldn't be changed.  Moving to 5* another platform is a much longer process.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:47:33 +0100 (MET)E9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t+ Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them knowr; Message-ID: <01KBS8X4YQJ69138XQ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e  J > If I hold a hammer above the floor and release it, I do not need to have6 > heard it fall to know that it has, in fact, fallen.   G You left out "on a planet with positive gravity".  Otherwise, an exact  H quote by Spock at the trial of Captain Kirk.  Sorry, don't remember the E name of the episode.  Interestingly, the plot revolved around Finney tG hacking the computer records on the Enterprise (which Spock discovered  ; when he was able to beat the computer which he himself had tF programmed at chess) to cover up his own criminal behaviour and shift G the blame to Kirk.  Kirk's lawyer had an office full of books since he    was not a believer in computers.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 10:03:19 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) + Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them known3 Message-ID: <+IKW8Ihfo1ii@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  \ In article <3C1719A5.28A35B3E@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:G >>         Merced is Dead.  Has been Dead.  Never had a chance.  But aso" >>         Paul Demone points out: >> o) >>                         Merced != IA64  > L > Could you please explain this ? I was under the impresison that Merced wasC > Intel's first attempt at generating silicon to implement its IA64 V > architecture. Somewhat akin to 21064, the first iteration of the Alpha architecture. > , > If that isn't so, can you please explain ?  ' 	Sorry.... != on wrong side, flip that:d  # From: Paul DeMone (pdemone@igs.net)eE Subject: Re: Impact of if-conversion on program execution on Itanium u Newsgroups: comp.arch  Date: 2001-12-11 15:28:19 PST      IA64 == IA64 Merced == Merced IA64 != Merced  F Please don't confuse architecture with implementation. Merced is proofD that a bad IA64 processor can be made, not that good IA64 processorsH can't be made. What lessons could be drawn from the PPC 620 with regards, to pre-announcement expectations for POWER4?   ---    				Robh   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:40:46 -0500t5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> + Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them know 2 Message-ID: <YGMR7.493$BK1.14187@news.cpqcorp.net>  A David J. Dachtera wrote in message <3C16CB56.4F4ABA4A@fsi.net>...e > H >I can hear and I can read. I trust my senses and my instincts. Hard-won. >lessons learned in the School of Hard Knocks. >w     Perhaps you needed a hard hat.  I >If I hold a hammer above the floor and release it, I do not need to havet4 >heard it fall to know that it has, in fact, fallen. >t  G But I'm sure that you would add some conspiracy theory to go along with J alien abduction to explain why you released the hammer in the first place.  F >I hear and read much about VMS defections. I do not need to hear that@ >they continue in order to know that they do, in fact, continue. >l    D Hmmm.  Every hear about the 3 blind men trying to figure out what anI elephant is by touch?  Without enough data points, theories like this areu not very reliable.  L Are there very unhappy people out there?  Yup.  Will we lose some customers,J regretably yes.  Does that imply a mass defection of customers?  Not in myJ opinion.   VMS customers are very loyal.  In the end, the vast majority ofH them will stick with us, and they and new customers will be able to takeK advantage of Itanium as well as continue to use their Alpha and VAXes.  DidoI this help those out there who have been battling their own management who * want to find an excuse to dump VMS.  Nope.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:59:11 GMTa0 From: Leonard Fehskens <len.fehskens@compaq.com>+ Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them knowb; Message-ID: <Xns917584C9650A5LenNewsgroupID@155.186.176.59>   0 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in% news:3C169C96.55404CC2@videotron.ca: t  A > Lets not forget that Capellas is an accountant. So his creative0E > energies don't go towards creating new systems or architectures, it G > goes to creative ways of presenting numbers to say what you want themE
 > to say.   D Why do you keep asserting that Mike Capellas is an accountant?  He's the former CIO.    len.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:10:14 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s+ Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them knowt, Message-ID: <3C179D85.BE46112E@videotron.ca>   Rob Young wrote:+ > >>                         Merced != IA64 0 >         Sorry.... != on wrong side, flip that:    J Ok, if Merced was to be followed by McKinley, what is the name of the IA64H chip that is currently being put into the few systems being sold to real customers ?    Is it just an improved Merced ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:20:00 -0500 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>+ Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them know / Message-ID: <u1f7ursspvou8b@corp.supernews.com>   @ "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message, news:YGMR7.493$BK1.14187@news.cpqcorp.net...  F > Hmmm.  Every hear about the 3 blind men trying to figure out what anK > elephant is by touch?  Without enough data points, theories like this areo > not very reliable.  + The above is just worth re-reading again...    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 12:25:52 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)o+ Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them knowe3 Message-ID: <o0jUM+dp$APU@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  \ In article <3C179D85.BE46112E@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Rob Young wrote:, >> >>                         Merced != IA641 >>         Sorry.... != on wrong side, flip that:e >  > L > Ok, if Merced was to be followed by McKinley, what is the name of the IA64J > chip that is currently being put into the few systems being sold to real
 > customers ?R > ! > Is it just an improved Merced ?R  ( 	No... it is Merced. . . but it is Dead:  1 http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-8145128.html   N "Partly because of the delays and partly because of performance issues, MercedF has largely become a test vehicle for future versions of the Itanium."   				Robr   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:29:41 GMTt* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>+ Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them know B Message-ID: <pmNR7.341040$dk.22940568@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  F "Phillip Helbig" <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com> wrote in message5 news:01KBS8L4VACC9138XQ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com...tJ > > > I think Fred is right when it comes to keeping VMS about where it isH > > > now.  Despite the doom mongerers, the VMS market is about the same size > > > as it was 10 years ago.i > >uL > > Is it?  I would have been inclined to agree with that statement any timeF > > prior to June 25th, but do you have any reason to believe that the	 situation , > > hasn't changed significantly since then? > >'K > > The Q3 financials suggest that Alpha revenue, which had been relativelyIK > > unaffected by the 'slowdown' (or whatever you call it) through Q2, tookF ad > > major dive in Q3.o >lH > I was talking about the "installed base" or whatever.  Revenue applies > mainly to new sales.  J If you mean 'revenue applies mainly to new *customers*', that's likely notD true for VMS.  Terry repeatedly observed that existing VMS customersF contributed about 85% to annual VMS-related revenue, with a 15% annualI attrition rate that was made up by new customer arrivals (at least that's>J what I read him as saying - he's of course free to clarify what he meant).J Existing customers expand installations and replace out-dated equipment at non-trivial rates, it seems.   - bill   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:44:20 +0100 (MET)?9 From: Phillip Helbig <HELBPHI@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>e+ Subject: Re: HP Foundations - let them known; Message-ID: <01KBSJBY9WEY9138XQ@sysdev.deutsche-boerse.com>t  J > > I was talking about the "installed base" or whatever.  Revenue applies > > mainly to new sales. > L > If you mean 'revenue applies mainly to new *customers*', that's likely notF > true for VMS.  Terry repeatedly observed that existing VMS customersH > contributed about 85% to annual VMS-related revenue, with a 15% annualK > attrition rate that was made up by new customer arrivals (at least that's L > what I read him as saying - he's of course free to clarify what he meant).L > Existing customers expand installations and replace out-dated equipment at > non-trivial rates, it seems.  H I meant what I said.  :-)  Revenue applies mainly to new sales.  As you ? point out, with VMS this might be mainly new sales to existing cF customers.  My point was that despite the fact that sales (from these E customers, apparently) were down in Q3 doesn't shrink the "installed ME base", because those customers are still there and will probably buy gG more things in the future.  Remember, there are probably reasons other e7 than ALPHA, HP etc why many firms aren't investing now.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:20:02 +0000K% From: "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>L' Subject: Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20LH' Message-ID: <3C172142.99AAB5AE@iee.org>T   david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:t > l > In article <bmsR7.431$BK1.13769@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:K > >Puleese.  There have been any number of systems that were not officiallyrG > >supported by OpenVMS.  Really.  And at least one that VMS refused toa > >support.h >  > Yes all the white box stuff.  , The whole premise of the white box stuff was, to build something that could be sold at (or2 at least nearer) PC pricing, safe in the knowledge0 that OpenVMS (and Tru64?) would not run on these$ boxes, hence maintaining the margin.  & The only case that comes to mind where* OpenVMS support was supposed to happen but- did not was Gamma (an AlphaServer whose exactl+ designation escapes me now). I don't recall." ever hearing the exact reason why.  % This new case, the DS20L, seems to be0) financial. It's not clear whether the newl+ code (if any) to get OpenVMS running on them) box is considered too costly to write, orn+ whether OpenVMS may or may not run, but the@& testing required for proper support is) too expensive to do. You have to rememberh, that OpenVMS qualification means that a team) have to run a large battery of tests overS, some none-trivial amount of time. They don't* just load OpenVMS and run for a day to see' if it stays up! They also get to repeati( this stuff (or at least some subset) for( each new OpenVMS release, so some of the% expenditure is ongoing. It's for thish, reason that VAX-11/780 support was dropped -) they no longer guarantee that it will run,$ (although, I bet it runs just fine).  2 > The problem is that we all thought we'd won this1 > argument and Compaq had just promised that VMS 1  > would run on all the new Alpha5 > boxes. Looks like another easily broken commitment.j  . From other posts, since this is an unannounced1 product, they have not yet broken any commitment.A) (I'd not heard this particular commitmentm) before BTW!). I would guess that there is ( not a great deal of slack in OpenVMS Eng) these days, they're all busy on some porte( ot other. Someone totalled up the effort$ required vs effort available vs the & potential revenue and may have decided not to do (some of) the work.e   Antonio    -- i   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgl   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 02:04:39 -0800- From: tessier-ashpool@usa.net (Chris Bardell) ' Subject: Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20Li= Message-ID: <9f261edc.0112120204.53b2f183@posting.google.com>k  o "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> wrote in message news:<bosR7.432$BK1.13866@news.cpqcorp.net>...yG > This isn't a VMS budget decision.  The product is intended for a veryd8 > specific customer/customer segment in the Tru64 space.  2 To go back to a previous post from someone else...  ? Why has this (imminent) system been given a DSnnx product name?l  E If it's a speciality system for a specific purpose, then why not call ? it something which makes it clear that it isn't a member of the E 'proper' multi-OS Alpha family? Like 'TruAlphaRaq' or something (craptF suggestion, I know) which at least makes it clear it is NOT a 'proper'
 Alpha system?o  D Surely Compaq would want to differentiate the offerings to differentB market sectors by using different product family names? Otherwise,C some customers may go off with the impression that OpenVMS is being E sidelined from the 'proper' Alpha system family also. And we all knowa> how corporate purchasing decisions are often made without full possession of the facts...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:45:09 -0500n5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>A' Subject: Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20Le2 Message-ID: <5LMR7.494$BK1.13935@news.cpqcorp.net>  H Sheeesh.  Would you be happy if it was called "Bob"?  Someone in productL management just gave it what seemed to be a reasonable name.  BTW this thingA isn't even shipping, and UNIX is still working on support for it._    < JF Mezei wrote in message <3C167001.F1284F0@videotron.ca>... >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:iI >> will qualify it.  A low-profile, rackmount pretty much developed for au? >> single UNIX customer isn't something I will lose sleep over.a > I >Then why doesn't Compaq simply say that this was a custom designed/builtiH >system for a specific customer instead of giving it a product name that* >implies it is a standard Alpha computer ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:45:51 -0500u5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>0' Subject: Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20L_2 Message-ID: <ILMR7.496$BK1.14126@news.cpqcorp.net>  + I'm not even talking about the white boxes.0  L david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message <9v66tf$4h8$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>...E >In article <bmsR7.431$BK1.13769@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"c% <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:dJ >>Puleese.  There have been any number of systems that were not officiallyF >>supported by OpenVMS.  Really.  And at least one that VMS refused to
 >>support. >nI >Yes all the white box stuff. The problem is that we all thought we'd wont thisH >argument and Compaq had just promised that VMS would run on all the new Alphai4 >boxes. Looks like another easily broken commitment. >  >David Webbl >VMS and Unix team leader- >CCSS- >Middlesex Universitye   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:46:12 -0500d5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ' Subject: Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20LX2 Message-ID: <2MMR7.497$BK1.14159@news.cpqcorp.net>   *Compaq* didn't.  < JF Mezei wrote in message <3C16A348.D2AA3E7@videotron.ca>...  >david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:K >> Yes all the white box stuff. The problem is that we all thought we'd won  thisJ >> argument and Compaq had just promised that VMS would run on all the new Alpha 6 >> boxes. Looks like another easily broken commitment. >iK >What I don't quite understand is that if this was really a custom made boxc for J >a single customer, how come Compaq would go through the trouble of making< >public the fact that it would not support VMS on that box ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:53:22 -0500e5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>l' Subject: Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20LP2 Message-ID: <MSMR7.498$BK1.14244@news.cpqcorp.net>  9 a.carlini wrote in message <3C172142.99AAB5AE@iee.org>..., >t >l  >david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >>G >> In article <bmsR7.431$BK1.13769@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"u% <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:oL >> >Puleese.  There have been any number of systems that were not officiallyH >> >supported by OpenVMS.  Really.  And at least one that VMS refused to >> >support. >> >> Yes all the white box stuff.u >l- >The whole premise of the white box stuff was-- >to build something that could be sold at (orE3 >at least nearer) PC pricing, safe in the knowledgee1 >that OpenVMS (and Tru64?) would not run on theser% >boxes, hence maintaining the margin.v >u' >The only case that comes to mind wherer+ >OpenVMS support was supposed to happen butd. >did not was Gamma (an AlphaServer whose exact, >designation escapes me now). I don't recall# >ever hearing the exact reason why.n >a    K You don't want to know (and I can't tell you).  It wasn't Gamma per-se, buta7 a specific version of it.  VMS chose not to support it.n  & >This new case, the DS20L, seems to be* >financial. It's not clear whether the new, >code (if any) to get OpenVMS running on the* >box is considered too costly to write, or, >whether OpenVMS may or may not run, but the' >testing required for proper support isf >too expensive to do.    Both.   J It has some stuff on it that we would have to write support for.  It wouldK also need to be qualified.  But the problem is that we can't identify a VMSR- market for it.  It really is a niche product.    >You have to rememberm- >that OpenVMS qualification means that a team@* >have to run a large battery of tests over- >some none-trivial amount of time. They don't + >just load OpenVMS and run for a day to see ( >if it stays up! They also get to repeat) >this stuff (or at least some subset) for ) >each new OpenVMS release, so some of thee& >expenditure is ongoing. It's for this- >reason that VAX-11/780 support was dropped -n* >they no longer guarantee that it will run% >(although, I bet it runs just fine).  >s3 >> The problem is that we all thought we'd won this 1 >> argument and Compaq had just promised that VMS ! >> would run on all the new Alpha 6 >> boxes. Looks like another easily broken commitment. >o/ >From other posts, since this is an unannouncedr2 >product, they have not yet broken any commitment.* >(I'd not heard this particular commitment* >before BTW!). I would guess that there is) >not a great deal of slack in OpenVMS Engb* >these days, they're all busy on some port) >ot other. Someone totalled up the effortn$ >required vs effort available vs the' >potential revenue and may have decideds >not to do (some of) the work. >     H This proposed product has been kicked around for a long time, before theF Itanium stuff ever came up.  Nobody has asked for VMS support, becauseE nobody can identify a market for it in VMS.  As I said, it is a niche.% product to satisfy a specific demand.a  K Heck, I'm looking at supporting a 3rd party graphics card that has 4 heads.sF I'm not even asking Tru64 if they want to do it.  Does that break someD implied requirement?  It's for a specific VMS customer - even though* additional customers might find it useful.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:27:42 +0100u1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>y' Subject: Re: Inquirer: OpenVMS on DS20Lp5 Message-ID: <3C17A19E.8049596B@swissonline.delete.ch>    Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > J > Sheeesh.  Would you be happy if it was called "Bob"?  Someone in productN > management just gave it what seemed to be a reasonable name.  BTW this thingC > isn't even shipping, and UNIX is still working on support for it.a  A Come on Fred, you're now trying to work hard to justify marketinge
 screw-ups.  G I mentioned this about the DS20L to someone who uses Compaq gear and he D actually phoned Compaq to see what was happening and whether in fact$ this was the thin-edge of the wedge.  G Why doesn't Compaq vary the name justenough to signify something out ofi6 the ordinary (eg. DS20T if it a telecomms "special") ?  G Why doesn't Compaq make even the tiniest effort to avoid annoying theireC cusomers or creating unnecessary angst ?  For goodness sake, Compaqu+ needs all the friends it can get right now.-     John McLean1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 05:16:44 -0500 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact?/ Message-ID: <u1ebkeia0c425f@corp.supernews.com>r  5 "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in messagen< news:7SAR7.228255$8q.21698354@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... >r3 > "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in messagecF > > Bill to avoid after my posting Todd spin if you answer these three issuesH > > below directly I will be more than happy to directly respond to your point? > > above... >rL > Jeff, you are once again confused:  if you'd rather duck the question thanK > answer it, it hardly reinforces *your* position, so I couldn't care less.   I As I suspected you wouldn't agree as to what issue my point related to so  that you can spin it later.   B > I will, however, answer the first question you posed (which is a
 reasonableG > request for clarification):  while the context of the numbers was noth statedF > explicitly, it was definitely current as of the July, 2000, date theK > statement was made and I have reason to suspect it was for 1999 (the last-I > previous full year and one uncomplicated by the transition to Wildfire,fC > which temporarily first depressed demand in anticipation and thenDI > encountered supply problems).  I also believe that the numbers includedrH > associated storage and service revenue (as I mentioned previously whenK > presenting them) which is why I've been consistently careful to term this J > "VMS-system-related revenue" - but unless you can line up a bunch of VMSC > customers who will swear that they would have happily purchased a 	 different-I > system from Compaq instead then including such revenue and profit undern thes' > VMS umbrella is entirely appropriate.o  J As I also suspected the $800 million number you can as "fact" carries many assumptions with it.   Here is my original comment...  1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in messagen! news:3c114ab0$1@news.toast.net... D > Something I have noticed in this newsgroup is people stating their	 _opinion_ J > about how profitable OVMS is to the point where it has become an article ofG > faith.  What is interesting is that data points exist to the contrary  (veryrJ > profitable) and to my knowledge Compaq does not provide the data to back upA > any claim.  The statement that caught my attention today was...P >lJ > "Can't remember about the larger (although I'm sure the $9B of VMS, UnixH > and Tandem put together get at least near to 50%) - more profitable is > an established fact. " >-F > Alpha and NSK servers are more profitable than ISSG servers as fact?I > Especially as it relates to 8-ways?  Where is the data to back this up?g  K ...to counter this Todd offers the $800 million number as proof it is true."B Can he provide documented public fact as to what that $800 millionI represents? No - he can only provide a series of assumptions.  Even if wenL buy his assumptions, and this is the key point, can he provide data based onC public information that is as least as good the $800 about the ISSGs business?  No - he can't.   F So without any firm source as to what the $800 million represents, andH without any public data as to what the equivalent numbers from ISSG are,E Todd continues to challenge my statement above.  Again a case of ToddlJ treating his assumptions as fact and referencing his own postings as fact.  F To his question about isn't the $800 million for OVMS remarkable.  TheH answer is no.  If you look at the annual report for 2000 Compaq lists $3G billion in profits for enterprise computing and services for FY2000 andmE $2.3 billion for FY1999.  Taking Todd's assumption that  $800 millionaK represents 1999 numbers, and is inclusive, than that $800 million is of theMH $2.3 billion.  That leaves $1.5 billion in unaccounted for profits.  WhoG knows - if we could get an apples to apples number of ISSG server saleso? versus Alpha server sales we may very well see similar numbers.n  J I didn't raise this issue out of thin air.  My sources inside of Compaq asL of July of 2001 knowledgeably suggested that as of that point in time if youJ looked at the previous 8 quarters the profits from Intel and Alpha servers were about the same.  K I stand by my original point which Todd refuses to address yet claims to beeJ answering - answering with zero public data about the ISSG server numbers.L It is an article of faith in this group that the Alpha server sales are muchG more profitable than the ISSG server sales and that article of faith is H fact.  My understanding is the profit numbers on sales are very close...   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:02:15 -0500n& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact?/ Message-ID: <u1esbrjotnct11@corp.supernews.com>l  > "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message/ news:3C16851C.E7590D8F@swissonline.delete.ch...p  C > PS.  Does anyone remember when Compaq PCs were the about the mostaD > expensive on the market and Compaq claimed it was because of their
 > quality ???e  @ Quality being defined as advanced features e.g. manageability...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:43:35 GMTl* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>< Subject: Re: It you say it often enough does it become fact?> Message-ID: <rzNR7.188541$YD.14170444@news2.aus1.giganews.com>  1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in messageK) news:u1ebkeia0c425f@corp.supernews.com...u >c7 > "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> wrote in message.> > news:7SAR7.228255$8q.21698354@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > >c5 > > "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in messageoH > > > Bill to avoid after my posting Todd spin if you answer these three > issuesJ > > > below directly I will be more than happy to directly respond to your > point  > > > above... > >tI > > Jeff, you are once again confused:  if you'd rather duck the questionf thanG > > answer it, it hardly reinforces *your* position, so I couldn't caret less.) > K > As I suspected you wouldn't agree as to what issue my point related to soe > that you can spin it later.e  L Not exactly:  it's just difficult to stomach going through your drivel once,L let alone repeatedly - especially when it has nothing to do with the currentE point at issue, which is your repeated attempt to cast doubt on VMS'sh0 profitability when actual numbers are available.   >oD > > I will, however, answer the first question you posed (which is a > reasonableI > > request for clarification):  while the context of the numbers was not@ > statedH > > explicitly, it was definitely current as of the July, 2000, date theH > > statement was made and I have reason to suspect it was for 1999 (the lastK > > previous full year and one uncomplicated by the transition to Wildfire,nE > > which temporarily first depressed demand in anticipation and thensK > > encountered supply problems).  I also believe that the numbers included J > > associated storage and service revenue (as I mentioned previously whenH > > presenting them) which is why I've been consistently careful to term thisL > > "VMS-system-related revenue" - but unless you can line up a bunch of VMSE > > customers who will swear that they would have happily purchased aa > differentoK > > system from Compaq instead then including such revenue and profit under  > then) > > VMS umbrella is entirely appropriate.n >oL > As I also suspected the $800 million number you can as "fact" carries many > assumptions with it.  D The main assumption being that the individual who quoted it was both informed and truthful.  I Let's take a hypothetical situation.  The VP in charge of VMS arranges to J meet (with most of his top-level staff) with a group of interested people.L During that meeting he provides the information I recounted above.  Just howL much of an ass does it take to suggest that this information is not far more> persuasive than the smoke that you've tried to blow around it?   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:21:36 GMTe# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>c Subject: Itanic news= Message-ID: <QJJR7.33827$pa1.13013279@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>a  L http://news.cnet.com/investor/news/newsitem/0-9900-1028-8145128-0.html?tag=a ts    ! Itanium sales off to a slow startg By: Michael Kanellos 12/11/01 3:00 PM Source: News.com  B It's going to be a long haul for Itanium, Intel's new server chip.J Intel spent nearly 10 years and hundreds of millions of dollars to developG Itanium, but the first version of the chip has faced slow sales so far.h  L In the third quarter--the first full quarter of Itanium sales--manufacturersL sold just $13.7 million worth of servers containing the chip, which comes to: less than 500 servers, according to market researcher IDC.  K By contrast, Gartner research shows that 2,601 Itanium servers were shippedgF in the third quarter, an increase over the three shipped in the secondG quarter. The discrepancy between the IDC and Gartner figures apparentlygH comes from the fact that companies have shipped many Itanium servers for demonstration purposes.-  L The Itanium's humble start, while not completely unexpected, underscores theJ immense challenges that lie ahead for Intel, allied computer manufacturersI and software developers that are gunning to make Itanium the standard forw% complex computing in the next decade.a  8 Intel says it isn't disappointed with the sales numbers.  A "We're pleased with the acceptance of Itanium to date," a companypJ representative said Tuesday, adding that sales should increase once CompaqL Computer, one of largest server manufacturers, starts selling computers with	 the chip.e   Ambitious beginningsK Itanium, one of the most ambitious launches in Intel's history, is designed'K to run large databases and complex applications such as those that simulatecJ weather patterns and require expensive RISC/Unix servers from the likes of Sun Microsystems or IBM.  I Ideally for Intel, Itanium servers will become cheaper, more powerful andm6 will contain wider array of software than they do now.  L The chip contains an entirely new architecture that processes data in 64-bitL chunks, rather than 32 bits like standard Intel chips. As a result, computerF makers must design entirely new computers for the chip, while softwareI developers must spend time and effort to make their existing applicationsr compatible.   K The problem is most of this work isn't complete yet, and as a result, salesi of servers remain low.  L "This is going to be an incredibly long ramp," said Dean McCarron, principalK analyst at Mercury Research. "We expected it to do a little better, but notm a lot better."  D Added Hugh Jenkins, vice president of marketing in Compaq's industryE standard server group: "It is going to take a couple of years for theiK operating systems and applications to be made available...and for customers-  to tune their own applications."  K Jenkins sees 2003 and 2004 as the "real prime time of 64-bit applications.":  J Itanium has also been hurt by a slow economy and delays. Originally due inL the mid- to late 1990s, the first version of the Itanium, code-named Merced,# finally came out at the end of May.r  F Partly because of the delays and partly because of performance issues,L Merced has largely become a test vehicle for future versions of the Itanium.  I The next version, code-named McKinley, will be more powerful than Merced. J McKinley is set to come out in test systems in the first part of next yearK and commercially toward the middle of 2002. Madison, an improved version ofoF McKinley, is expected to arrive in 2003, along with a low-power budget* version of the chip, code-named Deerfield.  K With McKinley, sales are expected to begin picking up. By the third quartercE of next year, McCarron predicts that Intel could be selling a "couple8$ hundred thousand (chips) a quarter."  L But the expense involved in making McKinley--along with other factors--could- keep sales of the upcoming chip moderate too.1  F Kevin Krewell, an analyst at MicroDesign Resources, predicted that theH company will sell around 100,000 Itanium chips per quarter by the end of 2002.i  L By contrast, the Pentium Pro, Intel's first server chip, was selling 500,000H units a quarter after four quarters. And its Xeon chip went from zero toK 500,000 units in four quarters. These chips, though, had smaller price tagsE
 than Itanium.r  L One of the reasons for McKinley's bigger price tag, Krewell said, is that itL will cover nearly 440 square millimeters in area--or more than twice that of the Pentium 4.  J "One problem is that McKinley...is expensive to manufacture. It also meansL yields are lower," he said. "Not until you get into Madison and Deerfield in( 2003 do you start talking about volume."  J The Intel representative, however, countered Krewell's assertions. Size isK somewhat irrelevant when it comes to server chips, the representative said,,H because of the much higher cost of servers. McKinley will be larger thanI Merced, he said, but the additional space allows the chip to contain morew! cache memory and computing units.b   Competition at home?K Ironically, one of Itanium's biggest competitors won't be Sun, but the XeonfD line itself. Xeon already sells well and is compatible with existing	 software.f  K Customers are also sold on Xeon. Glenn Bonner, chief information officer oflI Mirage Resorts, noted in an interview last month that Xeon-based machineso6 can effectively handle most corporate computing tasks.  L A new version of Xeon for four- and eight-processor servers is coming in theL first quarter. The chip will run at 1.5GHz and 1.6GHz, according to sources,K and contain Hyper Threading, a new technology that can increase performanceeF up to 30 percent by using internal computing elements of the chip more efficiently.  K "Unless there are applications that are really compelling on Itanium, Intel)J is making its job harder and harder" through the continual improvements toF Xeon, said Tim Shetler, vice president of marketing at TimesTen, which develops databases.e   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 02:49:02 -0800+ From: pierre.bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre)e$ Subject: Re: NTP server with UCX 4.2= Message-ID: <1c0e37b1.0112120249.3200676a@posting.google.com>a  k hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote in message news:<uy6R7.367$BK1.7195@news.cpqcorp.net>...Sm > In article <1c0e37b1.0112100834.40771d7d@posting.google.com>, pierre.bru@spotimage.fr (Bru, Pierre) writes:  > G > :my need is to have the Alpha get its time from my other server (be a H > :client) and at the same time, act as a server of next stratum. as theG > :clock of the Alpha is not good, I want it to be a client not a peer.V >  .. E > :is it possible to be act as the client of a server and at the same ; > :time be a server of the next stratum. (and if so, how ?)4 > H >   When posting, please include the OpenVMS version, and (in this case) >   the TCP/IP Services ECO.   $ ucx show version    @   Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 46   on a AlphaServer DS20 500 MHz running OpenVMS V7.1-2    4I >   We overhauled NTP in TCP/IP Services V5.0 and later.  Please upgrade.I  > for some reasons, I can not upgrade to v5.x yet. only in a few monthes.  h >   If you don't already have:+ >        SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX$NTP]UCX$NTP.CONFl >   then please copy0 >        SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX$NTP]UCX$NTP.TEMPLATE  >   to+ >        SYS$SPECIFIC:[UCX$NTP]UCX$NTP.CONFs  - I already have the .CONF file witch contains:    server x.y.z.a master-clock n  B I do not use "peer" as I understand it as telling the other serverD that I am sure of the clock of my host and that I want to send it my, time as a valuable source to verify its own.  B am I wrong ? do I need to include a "peer" line in my .CONF file ?  vK >   Since you probably don't want to define your host as local-master, NTP  M >   will automatically set your local host's stratum to the server's stratum r
 >   plus one.y  D I do want my host to act as a server *and* to synchronize on another server with a lower stratum.  t* >      ;this effectively sets the stratum: >  >      server w.x.y.z- >      peer w.x.y.a  > @ >   where w.x.y.z and w.x.y.a are IP host addresses (not names). > = >   Start (or restart) NTP: @SYS$MANAGER:UCX$NTPD_STARTUP.COMu >  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------P >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 10:14:31 GMTr, From: peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson) Subject: Re: Poll 6 Message-ID: <3c172df9.1201718@news.cable.ntlworld.com>  F On 11 Dec 2001 17:10:13 -0600, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:  g >In article <3c167feb.15815265@news.cable.ntlworld.com>, peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter Watkinson) writes:c@ >> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:50:02 GMT, peterw@u.genie.co.uk (Peter >> Watkinson) wrote: >>   >>>d >>>xI >>>I wondered if I might do a straw poll asking posters if they have a PCm >>>what type it is.v >eB >How about we mail you the answers, and you summarize at the end ?     OK     Peter Watkinsonn peterw@u.genie.co.uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:19:53 +0100o$ From: "J-L. RAYON" <jl-r@wanadoo.fr>+ Subject: Re: Reflections 8 version of LAT??s% Message-ID: <9v705n$bfq$1@wanadoo.fr>n  C You can use the LAT version shipped with the PATHWORK distribution.t   JLRf    B "Ian Robinson" <ian@canicula.com> a crit dans le message de news:8 01HW.B83C5366000FCDB61850AA80@news.cable.ntlworld.com... > Hi,h > L > I'm trying to track down a copy of the LAT component that shipped with WRQ > Reflections version 8. > ...h > IanM   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 8:13:01 +0000% From: Ian Robinson <ian@canicula.com>y+ Subject: Re: Reflections 8 version of LAT?? C Message-ID: <01HW.B83CC20D0011FF231850AA60@news.cable.ntlworld.com>s  3 On Wed, 12 Dec 2001 7:19:53 +0000, J-L. RAYON wrotec' (in message <9v705n$bfq$1@wanadoo.fr>):e  E > You can use the LAT version shipped with the PATHWORK distribution.b >   @ Is that available for download? Or do you need to buy PathWorks?   Cheers,e   Ianr -- v Ian Robinson, Belfast, UKm <http://www.canicula.com>    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 11:20:12 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER), Subject: RE: remote connection and pathworks( Message-ID: <3c172f5c@news.kapsch.co.at>  p In article <1245D1C0C039D411933708002BB29C644B2D09@DOAISD02003>, "Rowell, Bradley" <browell@state.mt.us> writes:L >Pathworks binds to the first TCP interface that it sees, it can only run on >one interface.  a   Are you sure on that ?' Can you prove this with SDA> SHOW LAN ?b  @ I remember seeing PATHWORKS using all my interfaces and I had toA define logicals to stop PATHWORKS using one particular interface.r" But then again that was years ago.   YMMV  F PS: I think Brad should jump in and give the ultimative answer. Brad ? -- r< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 02:42:40 -0500a  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>! Subject: Re: The demise of compaq 6 Message-ID: <1011212023847.64413C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ( On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, David Beatty wrote:   > 6 >     Hmmm ... maybe once technology gets back in it's2 > feet again you can move to North Carolina, where9 > year-round golf is most certainly a reality -- I playedr	 > Sunday!  >  > David R. Beattyv  > It was 72 F on Thursday.  We had 7 inches of snow on Saturday. (Boston suburbs.)c   -- f John SantosW Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 12:02:01 +0100m5 From: Martin Knoblauch <Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de> ! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqs+ Message-ID: <3C173929.5B180546@TeraPort.de>t   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >  > L > I have a tough problem.  The wife is from Nashua, and hasn't yet warmed up5 > to the idea of leaving the area :-(    Otherwise...h > K > After all, year long golf is more important than what job you have ;-)  Ic. > just have to convince my (much) better half. Fred,o  E  basically you are absolutely right about the priorities in life, butlB then you should have choosen a different carreer anyway. Me to, of	 course...d   Martin -- iB ------------------------------------------------------------------B Martin Knoblauch         |    email:  Martin.Knoblauch@TeraPort.de7 TeraPort GmbH            |    Phone:  +49-89-510857-309 7 C+ITS                    |    Fax:    +49-89-510857-111p5 http://www.teraport.de   |    Mobile: +49-170-4904759t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:30:47 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>e! Subject: Re: The demise of compaqe5 Message-ID: <3C17A257.E76B6D94@swissonline.delete.ch>u   Martin Knoblauch wrote:  >  > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >a > >bN > > I have a tough problem.  The wife is from Nashua, and hasn't yet warmed up7 > > to the idea of leaving the area :-(    Otherwise...R > > M > > After all, year long golf is more important than what job you have ;-)  I00 > > just have to convince my (much) better half. > Fred,. > G >  basically you are absolutely right about the priorities in life, butlD > then you should have choosen a different carreer anyway. Me to, of > course...@ >  > Martin    A Yeah.  You really don't know what true happiness is until you gete& married ... but by then it's too late.     John McLean    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 07:48:51 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Unix for HELP ... Examples?3 Message-ID: <C9bsfFYflRI0@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  p In article <3c16f1df.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes: >  > [-- APROPOS.COM --]i > $! APROPOS.COM > $!  7    That's an awfull lot of work to replace a one-liner.j   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Dec 2001 14:41:26 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)i( Subject: Re: Unix for HELP ... Examples?, Message-ID: <9v7qam$31cl$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  3 In article <n1v0yJqYjgw5@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0  koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: |>: |>    So I gues what you need is an apropos.com, one line: |> i |>    $write sys$output p1 |>  A |>    Than you can set up a forieng command, or dcl$path and get:  |>   |>   |>    apropos copy
 |>    COPY  C If after all that has been said on this you still don't have a cluefC what the apropos (man -k) command does, there is not much reason toh continue this.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:52:27 +0100 < From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>( Subject: Re: Unix for HELP ... Examples?4 Message-ID: <9v7qvg$dm0hl$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Bob Koehler wrote...5 >martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:a >>   >> [-- APROPOS.COM --] >> $! APROPOS.COMn >> $!o >a8 >   That's an awfull lot of work to replace a one-liner.  , Which one-liner exactly are you thinking of?   $ @apropos volumem ANALYZEu;    The ANALYZE commands invoke utilities to examine variousr ...  DELETE7    The DELETE command performs the following functions:g .p .  MOUNTtB    The Mount utility (MOUNT) allows you to make a disk or magnetic ...b   cu,u   Martin --  J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de I One OS to bring them all      |  http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/3> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:02:03 +0100/< From: "Martin Vorlaender" <martin.vorlaender@pdv-systeme.de>( Subject: Re: Unix for HELP ... Examples?4 Message-ID: <9v7rhh$dm0i8$1@ID-56200.news.dfncis.de>   Martin Vorlaender wrote... >Bob Koehler wrote...a6 >>martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes: >>>  >>> [-- APROPOS.COM --]  >>> $! APROPOS.COM >>> $! >>9 >>   That's an awfull lot of work to replace a one-liner.h > - >Which one-liner exactly are you thinking of?    Never mind, I just found it.   --  J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.decI One OS to bring them all      |  http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/n? And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de o   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 12:06:07 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: Unix for HELP ... Examples?3 Message-ID: <WwASTinQaDdl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <9v7qam$31cl$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  E > If after all that has been said on this you still don't have a clueiE > what the apropos (man -k) command does, there is not much reason toa > continue this.  H    On the contrary, I've been using apropos for 11 years.  I've been theG    one who insisted on having catman -w run on systems that didn't haves,    it, and I know what it can and cannot do.  G    How else would I have learned that mail notification is apropos biffm;    or getting the maximum of two variables is apropos ceil?e  I    (OBTW, when I say these things I'm using the English language apropos,aG    not the UNIX apropos command.  In UNIX it would be "apropos mail" toeJ    find biff, or "apropos max" to find ceil, just like my earlier example J    of "apropos copy" would have found cp on UNIX but needs only echo COPY     on VMS).y  J    man pages could hardly be as usefull without apropos, but that's in theG    fault of the design of both the man pages and the system it's tryingrD    to help you with.  man pages represent technology that was commonC    in the late 60's and early 70's, and the last great step forwarddF    was the implementation of xman, which predates X11R4.  TENEX on ourD    PDP-10 from the early 70's had a similar help facility, except it    was called "HELP".   E    You asked about the work needed to add a help text to the VMS helppH    library, I'll turn that question around.  Did you ever try to use theE    troff (or was it nroff or some other roff?) macros used within mannG    pages?  I tried to find any documentation on those macros when I gotpA    my first UNIX system so I could write good man pages.  I found G    documentation on man, catman, and on the various roff programs, but n)    nothing on the macros used within man.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:45:12 GMTy' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>t+ Subject: Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???m$ Message-ID: <3c170b05$1@zfree.co.nz>  K The ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr message no longer appears after switching theoJ unit on. It had been off for three years, so that may have something to do with that behaviour.  . How can I locate, and replace, the flash chip?& Or do I have to replace the cpu board?  
 Hans Vlems    & "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote: >n >o >Hans Vlems wrote: >> ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr >> ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr >> e >c! >The console ROM (or possibly the & >NVRAM) is corrupt. Anecdotal evidence% >suggests that NetBSD will do this tos$ >the console ROM (it lives in Flash, >so it is certainly possible). >r  >> KA49-A V1.3-0BC-V4.4   83 MHZ >> 08-00-2B-94-CD-C3 >> 80MBe >h! >You do indeed have a VS4000-90A.h >The VS4000-90 announces itselfn >as running at 71MHz.a >rC >> This system has an unsupported CPU configuration.  Your softwarewG >> licenses may not function properly until your hardware is corrected.l >l. >OpenVMS has some code to detect what it calls1 >"jimmied ROMS". I guess this started back in then- >days of the KA650, which came in a multiusern2 >variant (KA650-A) and a single user (workstation) >variant (KA650-B).  >0$ >Your corrupted console has probably  >upset OpenVMS's detection code. >n) >> Question: what kind of system is this?e. >> And, more importantly: can I run VMS on it? >l, >My guess is that you have a VS4000-90A with >a corrupted flash.a >f >Antonio >  >--  >e >---------------. >Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:31:23 +0100k, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>+ Subject: Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???z* Message-ID: <9v74nd$31c$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  I You also get this situation if there is no graphics controller installed!r  G I did run VMS on such a system, when I was working on a university withc CSLG.sG I am not sure what type of license I had, but I expect it to be an "A".t  	 Bart Zorn   - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in messagew* news:IpuR7.719$8p1.3014@typhoon.bart.nl...K > Today I was given a VAXstation model 4000-90A. That's what it says on the  > box.A > I connected the serial console and powered it up. It responded:R >r > ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clrt > ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clre > I > This message was repeated about thirty times and suddenly a more normalX > message appeared:h >r > ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clrt >  > U >r > KA49-A V1.3-0BC-V4.4   83 MHZa > 08-00-2B-94-CD-C3t > 80MB >  >  > OK >yF > So far so good, so I installed VAX/VMS V7.3. During the first reboot (after! > unpacking VMS073.B) I spotted at > strange message: >i >nB > This system has an unsupported CPU configuration.  Your softwareF > licenses may not function properly until your hardware is corrected.: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  11-DEC-2001 21:08:14.95  %%%%%%%%%%%1 > Logfile has been initialized by operator _OPA0:s/ > Logfile is SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]OPERATOR.LOG;1D >2J > Installing PAK's did not work since no number of units would satisfy LMF as > the next commands showed:g >D >1 >3 >. > $ sho lic/charge, > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node VS4090@ > This is a Unknown VAXstation 4000-90A, hardware model type 477K > Type: A, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited orl > Base)i6 > Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server); > Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User)b7 > Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation) F > Type: E, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)8 > Type: F, * Not Permitted *      (VAX Layered Products), > Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved): > Type: H, * Not Permitted *      (Alpha Layered Products)4 > Type: I, * Not Permitted *      (Layered Products) > $ sho cpu/full >s' > VS4090, a Unknown VAXstation 4000-90A J > Multiprocessing is DISABLED. Uniprocessing synchronization image loaded. >O > PRIMARY CPU = 00 >D > CPU 00 is in RUN state1 > Current Process: SYSTEM          PID = 00000212v > Capabilities of this CPU:u >         PRIMARY QUORUM RUN/ > Processes which can only execute on this CPU:t >         *** None *** > $r >y >v( > Question: what kind of system is this?- > And, more importantly: can I run VMS on it?I >: > Hans Vlems >T >L   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:07:08 +0000e% From: "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>v+ Subject: Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???e' Message-ID: <3C171E3C.61A267BD@iee.org>e   Hans Vlems wrote:u > M > The ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr message no longer appears after switching the L > unit on. It had been off for three years, so that may have something to do > with that behaviour.  + So the message has vanished but the machines* still does not work properly? There are no errors displayed?t  - You have a keyboard plugged in and a graphicse card installed?y  0 > How can I locate, and replace, the flash chip?( > Or do I have to replace the cpu board?  0 Open the box. Lift out the PSU (slightly tricky,/ be sure to release the "catch" halfway down theh, side of the casing). The flash chips are the. four small, unsocketed chips about halfway up.0 Easy top spot - they have the word flash written on them :-)-  . Replacing them won't help since you'll need to0 blast the firmware into them. The correct way to+ do that is to use the firmware update tool.-     Antonio-   -- -   ---------------o- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgS   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 11:08:21 GMT-' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>1+ Subject: Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???e$ Message-ID: <3c173aa1$1@zfree.co.nz>  @ The machine was powered off and on several times last night and > the ?? CRPT message no longer appeared. Just the normal banner2 that one might expect from a VS4000 class machine.  ? The MMJ port is connected to a serial port of a PC. There is noc= graphics monitor, nor a mouse, nor a keyboard attached to thet machine.  C The S3 switch setting was not changed by me. I assumed that since IoF got text on my Reflection terminal emulator screen that S3 was alreadyE in the correct position. I have no hardware manual for the VS4000-90A G (only for a VS 2000) so no way of knowing what the correct position is.   A After installing VMS (never went so fast, just learned that it isn< approx 40 VUPS !!) it still did not recognize the processor.6 Before installing VMS 7.3, stand alone backup reported  & Processor: unknown VAXstation 4000-90A  8 We have Compaq field engineering on-site. What tool do I need to upgrade the firmware?W   Hans      & "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote: >Hans Vlems wrote: >> tJ >> The ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr message no longer appears after switching thesJ >> unit on. It had been off for three years, so that may have something to do >> with that behaviour.a >o, >So the message has vanished but the machine+ >still does not work properly? There are no. >errors displayed? >0. >You have a keyboard plugged in and a graphics >card installed? > 1 >> How can I locate, and replace, the flash chip?)) >> Or do I have to replace the cpu board?  >h1 >Open the box. Lift out the PSU (slightly tricky,l0 >be sure to release the "catch" halfway down the- >side of the casing). The flash chips are the,/ >four small, unsocketed chips about halfway up.-1 >Easy top spot - they have the word flash written0 >on them :-) >s/ >Replacing them won't help since you'll need too1 >blast the firmware into them. The correct way tok, >do that is to use the firmware update tool. >8 >B >Antonio >D >--  >3 >---------------. >Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:09:52 GMTh2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???a2 Message-ID: <kjLR7.486$BK1.14284@news.cpqcorp.net>  N In article <3c170b05$1@zfree.co.nz>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> writes: : L :The ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr message no longer appears after switching theK :unit on. It had been off for three years, so that may have something to doy :with that behaviour.4  B   It might well be that a backup battery went flat, or has failed.D   Most (all?) VAX systems have a lithium or NiCd or similar battery C   pack for (at least) the maintenance of the system date and time, 1.   and these do eventually need to be replaced.  / :How can I locate, and replace, the flash chip?   F   The flash chips I've seen are fairly obvious chips -- the ones I've E   seen in systems are labeled with some variation of "Dallas" and/or t
   "flash".  F   I'd first start with a reload of the microcode for the system -- theH   firmware microcode is available from field service and (before anyone G   asks) it is apparently not presently available on the Compaq website..  K   I have asked one of the Compaq folks that deals with the old VAX product  F   line to see if the firmware could be placed onto the existing Alpha G   firmware kits and/or onto the firmware website and firmware FTP site.e  ' :Or do I have to replace the cpu board?B  H   I do not know if it is socketed, but all of the flash chips I've seen    have been.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------N       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:47:14 -0800t# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>-+ Subject: RE: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???n9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEKHDLAA.tom@kednos.com>e   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]:, > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:10 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com5- > Subject: Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???e >  > 4 > In article <3c170b05$1@zfree.co.nz>, "Hans Vlems"  > <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> writes: > :eA > :The ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr message no longer appears after t > switching theK> > :unit on. It had been off for three years, so that may have  > something to dol > :with that behaviour.h > D >   It might well be that a backup battery went flat, or has failed.F >   Most (all?) VAX systems have a lithium or NiCd or similar battery E >   pack for (at least) the maintenance of the system date and time, h0 >   and these do eventually need to be replaced.  F Well, FWIW, i replaced the Dallas Real-time clock in a 4000/90 a whileG back, by cannabilizing a 3100, which uses the same zif socketed device.eG I forgot the part designation, but checking the internet I recall their = was a newer drop-in replacement part, and it was less than $5- > 1 > :How can I locate, and replace, the flash chip?  > H >   The flash chips I've seen are fairly obvious chips -- the ones I've G >   seen in systems are labeled with some variation of "Dallas" and/or t >   "flash". > H >   I'd first start with a reload of the microcode for the system -- theJ >   firmware microcode is available from field service and (before anyone I >   asks) it is apparently not presently available on the Compaq website.- > A >   I have asked one of the Compaq folks that deals with the old . > VAX product H >   line to see if the firmware could be placed onto the existing Alpha I >   firmware kits and/or onto the firmware website and firmware FTP site.  > ) > :Or do I have to replace the cpu board?e > J >   I do not know if it is socketed, but all of the flash chips I've seen  >   have been. >  > 3 >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> c > ----------------------------- 6 >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ --  > www.openvms.compaq.com    5 >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion h > ---------------------------t4 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering    > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:49:16 GMTf' From: "Joe Smith" <jsmith@imaphost.com>c/ Subject: Re: RE: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???s1 Message-ID: <wMMR7.842$Nt5.90796@news.uswest.net>    >  >  >  > > -----Original Message-----= > > From: Hoff Hoffman [mailto:hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam]:. > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 8:10 AM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc/ > > Subject: Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???. > >  > >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:32:25 GMTn" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>+ Subject: Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???n0 Message-ID: <ZoNR7.834$8p1.3560@typhoon.bart.nl>   Thanks Hoff for your comments.E Field service helped me out on this one and gave me the firmware kit.L0 I loaded the kit abd the console message is now:   KA49-A V1.4-0D0-V4.4   83 MHZy 08-00-2B-94-CD-C3  80MB  E The version went up from V1.3 to V1.4 so I conclude that the firmwarel upgrade went well.! Thank you Digital  Field Service!n  = Then I ran a test sequence (>>> t 100) and that started with:   9 KA49    V1.0   System Test CU                  0 00:00:13v  L Note the cpu identifier: it went to KA49. The Cougar documentation explained that theJ KA49-A is the VAXstation 4000 model 90 and that the KA49 is the VAXstation 4000 model 90AJ So probably that is wrong: the firmware thinks it runs on a 4000-90 with a fast clock apparently.  D Any ideas on how to make it think it is an honest VS 4000 model 90A?   Hans    = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageO, news:kjLR7.486$BK1.14284@news.cpqcorp.net...H > In article <3c170b05$1@zfree.co.nz>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> writes:a > :aJ > :The ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr message no longer appears after switching the J > :unit on. It had been off for three years, so that may have something to do > :with that behaviour.e >dD >   It might well be that a backup battery went flat, or has failed.E >   Most (all?) VAX systems have a lithium or NiCd or similar batteryeD >   pack for (at least) the maintenance of the system date and time,0 >   and these do eventually need to be replaced. >u1 > :How can I locate, and replace, the flash chip?  >AG >   The flash chips I've seen are fairly obvious chips -- the ones I've.F >   seen in systems are labeled with some variation of "Dallas" and/or >   "flash". > H >   I'd first start with a reload of the microcode for the system -- theI >   firmware microcode is available from field service and (before anyone I >   asks) it is apparently not presently available on the Compaq website.i >sL >   I have asked one of the Compaq folks that deals with the old VAX productG >   line to see if the firmware could be placed onto the existing AlphatI >   firmware kits and/or onto the firmware website and firmware FTP site.p >o) > :Or do I have to replace the cpu board?g >'I >   I do not know if it is socketed, but all of the flash chips I've seenn >   have been. >a >p( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------mL >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------a1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringp hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:33:24 GMT " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>+ Subject: Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???p0 Message-ID: <UpNR7.835$8p1.3534@typhoon.bart.nl>  B The system was power cycled repeatedly and that ?? CRPT message no longershows up.l  " So I assume it was a flat battery.   Hans  = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageh, news:sjwR7.450$BK1.13997@news.cpqcorp.net...? > In article <IpuR7.719$8p1.3014@typhoon.bart.nl>, "Hans Vlems"t <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:i3 > :Today I was given a VAXstation model 4000-90A...oB > :I connected the serial console and powered it up. It responded: > :  > :?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr > :?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr >,J >   This looks like corrupt or otherwise failing hardware -- if the systemB >   configuration is valid (eg: right type of memory, etc), and if (re)seatingeK >   the components and cables and options doesn't clear this error, then...$ >f >.( >  ---------------------------- #include' <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------hL >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.com, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------a1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringc hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:34:34 GMT-" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>+ Subject: Re: Unknown VAXstation 4000-90 ???t0 Message-ID: <_qNR7.836$8p1.3441@typhoon.bart.nl>  E That is why I listed the output of SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE. It shows thats+ *NO* license is permitted on this system... % I could live with a loaded A license.u   Hans  5 Bart Zorn <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> wrote in message $ news:9v74nd$31c$1@news1.xs4all.nl...K > You also get this situation if there is no graphics controller installed!o >uI > I did run VMS on such a system, when I was working on a university witho > CSLG.eI > I am not sure what type of license I had, but I expect it to be an "A".  >t > Bart Zornc >a/ > "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> wrote in messagel, > news:IpuR7.719$8p1.3014@typhoon.bart.nl...I > > Today I was given a VAXstation model 4000-90A. That's what it says onn theQ > > box.C > > I connected the serial console and powered it up. It responded:  > >? > > ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clre > > ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clrd > >hK > > This message was repeated about thirty times and suddenly a more normal  > > message appeared:  > >p > > ?? CRPT - Reenter bit clr- > >- > > U > >-! > > KA49-A V1.3-0BC-V4.4   83 MHZ  > > 08-00-2B-94-CD-C3n > > 80MB > >i > >p > > OK > >cH > > So far so good, so I installed VAX/VMS V7.3. During the first reboot > (after# > > unpacking VMS073.B) I spotted ae > > strange message: > >i > >lD > > This system has an unsupported CPU configuration.  Your softwareH > > licenses may not function properly until your hardware is corrected.< > > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  11-DEC-2001 21:08:14.95  %%%%%%%%%%%3 > > Logfile has been initialized by operator _OPA0:.1 > > Logfile is SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]OPERATOR.LOG;14 > >0L > > Installing PAK's did not work since no number of units would satisfy LMF > as > > the next commands showed:? > >  > >n > >i > >t > > $ sho lic/charge. > > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node VS4090B > > This is a Unknown VAXstation 4000-90A, hardware model type 477J > > Type: A, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or	 > > Base)-8 > > Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server)= > > Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User)k9 > > Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation)hH > > Type: E, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products): > > Type: F, * Not Permitted *      (VAX Layered Products). > > Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved)< > > Type: H, * Not Permitted *      (Alpha Layered Products)6 > > Type: I, * Not Permitted *      (Layered Products) > > $ sho cpu/full > >n) > > VS4090, a Unknown VAXstation 4000-90AsL > > Multiprocessing is DISABLED. Uniprocessing synchronization image loaded. > >/ > > PRIMARY CPU = 00 > >n > > CPU 00 is in RUN state3 > > Current Process: SYSTEM          PID = 00000212y > > Capabilities of this CPU:V > >         PRIMARY QUORUM RUN1 > > Processes which can only execute on this CPU:  > >         *** None *** > > $, > >t > >i* > > Question: what kind of system is this?/ > > And, more importantly: can I run VMS on it?n > >  > > Hans Vlems > >t > >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 07:36:33 GMTV' From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz>r Subject: Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100" Message-ID: <3c1708fd@zfree.co.nz>  3 It seems to me that the CD drive is not responding.y6 The console does not identify DKA200 as a known device6 so I assume it's a third party model. So perhaps it is2 not set for the proper mode (512B block mode ???).  @ option 2: give the CD drive a higher unit no than the hard disk.  
 Hans Vlems    / Phillip <nntpmouse@prism.datastacks.com> wrote:  >Hi all!E >I'm tring to get VMS 72 on a MicroVAX 3100 from the hobby CD, but am  >getting stuck.r >yH >I get the output below, but dont ever get past it (no noticable IO from >disks, cd, etc. ).  > L >I've tried having the CD on DKB0 and DKA0, and harddisks on DKA200,300,400.G >My BestGuess(tm) so far has been to see if there is a way to boot the UH >actual VMS enviroment and using the MOUNT/NOMOUNT_VERIFICATION command,  J >then coping over the image. I found that on a web page somewhere, but the  K >example was on a diffrent model and the command does not work on the 3100.   3 >(the command, fwiw, was ``B/R5:10000000 DKA400:'')t >m >Any help would be appreciated!n	 >-Phillipo >nA > DKA200   RZ2     A/2/0/00  RODISK    681 MB   RM        CD-ROM yA > DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      104 MB   FX        RZ23   oA > ...HostID....    A/6       INITR                               p" >                                 " > ...HostID....    B/6       INITR" >                                  >>>> boot dka200 >g >T >-DKA200> >%SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk> >%SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk? >%SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskeI >   OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X72T Major version id = 1 Minor version id =- 0  >n2 >PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)  D >PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)  11-DEC-2001  14:48 >  >Configuring devices . . . > K >Available device  DKA200:                          device type SONY CD-ROM0 CDU-8eE >Available device  DKA300:                          device type RZ23 nN >%BACKUP-I-IDENT, Stand-alone BACKUP T7.2; the date is 11-DEC-2001 14:49:06.47, >$ BACKUP/IMAGE DKA200:VMS072.B/SAVE DKA300:P >%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA200: is offline.  Mount verification in progress.       http://www.zfree.co.nz   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:08:13 -0500t  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: VMS 72 on MV 31006 Message-ID: <1011212025640.64413D-100000@Ives.egh.com>  # On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Phillip wrote:r  	 > Hi all!fF > I'm tring to get VMS 72 on a MicroVAX 3100 from the hobby CD, but am > getting stuck. > I > I get the output below, but dont ever get past it (no noticable IO fromx > disks, cd, etc. ). > M > I've tried having the CD on DKB0 and DKA0, and harddisks on DKA200,300,400.oH > My BestGuess(tm) so far has been to see if there is a way to boot the J > actual VMS enviroment and using the MOUNT/NOMOUNT_VERIFICATION command, L > then coping over the image. I found that on a web page somewhere, but the M > example was on a diffrent model and the command does not work on the 3100. i4 > (the command, fwiw, was ``B/R5:10000000 DKA400:'') >   > Any help would be appreciated!
 > -Phillip > B >  DKA200   RZ2     A/2/0/00  RODISK    681 MB   RM        CD-ROM B >  DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      104 MB   FX        RZ23   B >  ...HostID....    A/6       INITR                               # >                                  o# >  ...HostID....    B/6       INITRh# >                                  i > >>> boot dka200  >  > 	 > -DKA200 ? > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Diskr? > %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disko@ > %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskL >    OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X72T Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0 > 3 > PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)  eE > PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)  11-DEC-2001  14:48i >  > Configuring devices . . .  > R > Available device  DKA200:                          device type SONY CD-ROM CDU-8F > Available device  DKA300:                          device type RZ23 O > %BACKUP-I-IDENT, Stand-alone BACKUP T7.2; the date is 11-DEC-2001 14:49:06.47p- > $ BACKUP/IMAGE DKA200:VMS072.B/SAVE DKA300:zQ > %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA200: is offline.  Mount verification in progress.s  D Do you have a real DEC/Compaq CD-ROM drive that is supported by VMS?    J I had a very similar problem on an Alpha.  My CD-ROM drive also identifiesE itself as a SONY CD-ROM (not sure of model number.)  It is clearly an(E unsupported drive, (has some logo on the box that seems to be derivedrG from the Stanford Univerisity Network), and seems to not be identifyingo itself as a read-only drive.  F I can boot it okay (get the Alpha Menu), but when I try to install VMSD on an RZ28, it inits it okay, then asks for the current date & time.C It immediately prints a message saying the CD has been write-locked ! and goes into mount verification.f  E I rebooted and went into DCL, and verified that "SET TIME=xxx" causesrF the CD to go into mount verif. state.  I also noticed that SHOW DEVICED does not show the CD drive as wrtlck, unlike the RRD42 & RRD46 on my
 other Alphas.   E I tried to do an image backup of the CD to an RZ28 (to see if I couldp< install from there), but soon got an the same error you did.  H My diagnosis: an unsupported CD-ROM drive that doesn't quite work right.   -- d John Santosn Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:51:42 -0500a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>d Subject: Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100, Message-ID: <3C171A98.6ECBF8C1@videotron.ca>   Phillip wrote: > 2 > After tring that, there have been no change.  :(   Did the format succeed ?  I Aklthough this may not be your case, I did have some problems with SCSI-1-M drives when VMS would boot. And the solution was to temporarily powerdown the-M drive only and plug it back on and that would complete its mount verificationJI and it would then go merryly along. Something about VMS sending it a SCSIfK command that would make the drive stall since it didn't understand it. (VMS  expects SCSI-2 drives).V  N However, since you seem to have some RZ digital drives there, I would guess it would not be a problem..   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 03:55:33 -0500R- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t Subject: Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100, Message-ID: <3C171B7F.68EEBDFC@videotron.ca>  . > >$ BACKUP/IMAGE DKA200:VMS072.B/SAVE DKA300:R > >%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA200: is offline.  Mount verification in progress.    N OOPS ! I thought it was the hard drive that was going into mount verification.K Interesting since you seem to be able to boot standlone backup from the CD,l	 correct ?e  L Once moiunt verification is in progress, I would still removing the power to! the drive and putting it back on.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:21:23 -0500b* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: VMS 72 on MV 3100- Message-ID: <0033000044602590000002L002*@MHS>l  A =0A> DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      104 MB   FX        RZ23e   That's right, RZ23, 104MB   3 Isn't 104 MB a bit small for a VMS 7.2 system disk?m   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETt* Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:38 AMB To: Webb, William W Raleigh, NC; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: VMS 72 on MV 3100    3 It seems to me that the CD drive is not responding.e6 The console does not identify DKA200 as a known device6 so I assume it's a third party model. So perhaps it is2 not set for the proper mode (512B block mode ???).  @ option 2: give the CD drive a higher unit no than the hard disk.  
 Hans Vlems    / Phillip <nntpmouse@prism.datastacks.com> wrote:  >Hi all!E >I'm tring to get VMS 72 on a MicroVAX 3100 from the hobby CD, but am- >getting stuck.- >-H >I get the output below, but dont ever get past it (no noticable IO fro= mi >disks, cd, etc. ).O >VH >I've tried having the CD on DKB0 and DKA0, and harddisks on DKA200,300= ,400.sF >My BestGuess(tm) so far has been to see if there is a way to boot theH >actual VMS enviroment and using the MOUNT/NOMOUNT_VERIFICATION command= ,-  H >then coping over the image. I found that on a web page somewhere, but = them  H >example was on a diffrent model and the command does not work on the 3= 100.  3 >(the command, fwiw, was ``B/R5:10000000 DKA400:'')  >- >Any help would be appreciated!m	 >-Phillipm >[@ > DKA200   RZ2     A/2/0/00  RODISK    681 MB   RM        CD-ROM> > DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      104 MB   FX        RZ23" > ...HostID....    A/6       INITR > " > ...HostID....    B/6       INITR >- >>>> boot dka200 >  >  >-DKA200> >%SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk> >%SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk? >%SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskpH >   OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X72T Major version id =3D 1 Minor version = id =3D 0e >s0 >PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)D >PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)  11-DEC-2001  14:48 >l >Configuring devices . . . > H >Available device  DKA200:                          device type SONY CD= -ROM CDU-8)D >Available device  DKA300:                          device type RZ23H >%BACKUP-I-IDENT, Stand-alone BACKUP T7.2; the date is 11-DEC-2001 14:4= 9:06.47i, >$ BACKUP/IMAGE DKA200:VMS072.B/SAVE DKA300:H >%SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA200: is offline.  Mount verification in =	 progress.t     http://www.zfree.co.nz=s   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 07:53:12 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e Subject: Re: VMS 72 on MV 31003 Message-ID: <doXmDLt$N4zI@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  \ In article <3C16EE8A.3A43B375@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Phillip wrote:B >>  DKA200   RZ2     A/2/0/00  RODISK    681 MB   RM        CD-ROM@ >>  DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      104 MB   FX        RZ23 > . >> $ BACKUP/IMAGE DKA200:VMS072.B/SAVE DKA300:R >> %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA200: is offline.  Mount verification in progress. > 3 > Have you tried a low level format of the trive ?    @    Why would that help?  It's the CD-ROM that's having problems.  @    IMHO, check cables et. al., and try a different CD-ROM drive.  .    OR try a anohter (borrowed) copy of the CD.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Dec 2001 07:54:09 -0600- From: koehler@encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: VMS 72 on MV 31003 Message-ID: <G0ad2qV6x3fi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   L In article <3c1708fd@zfree.co.nz>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@zfree.co.nz> writes: > 5 > It seems to me that the CD drive is not responding. 8 > The console does not identify DKA200 as a known device8 > so I assume it's a third party model. So perhaps it is4 > not set for the proper mode (512B block mode ???).  D    I thought about that, too.  BUt how could it boot if it wasn't in    512B block mode?e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:21:04 GMTb  From: "mhr" <mreilly36@home.com> Subject: Re: VMS 72 on MV 3100< Message-ID: <kJJR7.54835$qM2.8726388@news1.rdc1.fl.home.com>  J These SONY cdroms appear to be oem for apple-although capable of 512 blks,- never seem able to load vms.Try another cdrom.                 mhr ; "Phillip" <nntpmouse@prism.datastacks.com> wrote in message-) news:u1dpm8q4dlpmd6@corp.supernews.com...f	 > Hi all!MF > I'm tring to get VMS 72 on a MicroVAX 3100 from the hobby CD, but am > getting stuck. >,I > I get the output below, but dont ever get past it (no noticable IO from: > disks, cd, etc. ). >9= > I've tried having the CD on DKB0 and DKA0, and harddisks on  DKA200,300,400.cG > My BestGuess(tm) so far has been to see if there is a way to boot thesI > actual VMS enviroment and using the MOUNT/NOMOUNT_VERIFICATION command,nK > then coping over the image. I found that on a web page somewhere, but theaL > example was on a diffrent model and the command does not work on the 3100.4 > (the command, fwiw, was ``B/R5:10000000 DKA400:'') >.  > Any help would be appreciated!
 > -Phillip > A >  DKA200   RZ2     A/2/0/00  RODISK    681 MB   RM        CD-ROMT? >  DKA300   RZ3     A/3/0/00  DISK      104 MB   FX        RZ23f# >  ...HostID....    A/6       INITR  >f# >  ...HostID....    B/6       INITR  >o > >>> boot dka200r >e >n	 > -DKA200 ? > %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk.? > %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk-@ > %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskL >    OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version X72T Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0 >s1 > PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)fE > PLEASE ENTER DATE AND TIME (DD-MMM-YYYY  HH:MM)  11-DEC-2001  14:48  >  > Configuring devices . . .- > L > Available device  DKA200:                          device type SONY CD-ROM CDU-8RE > Available device  DKA300:                          device type RZ23hC > %BACKUP-I-IDENT, Stand-alone BACKUP T7.2; the date is 11-DEC-2001E 14:49:06.47a- > $ BACKUP/IMAGE DKA200:VMS072.B/SAVE DKA300: G > %SYSTEM-I-MOUNTVER, SABKUP$DKA200: is offline.  Mount verification ine	 progress.n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.690 ************************