1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 24 Dec 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 713       Contents:> Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the> Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the> Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the> Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the> Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the> Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the2 Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways2 Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways2 Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways2 Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways2 Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways) Compaq's Notion of "Enterprise Platforms" - Re: Compaq's Notion of "Enterprise Platforms" - Re: Compaq's Notion of "Enterprise Platforms" * Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season Re: creating a user directory  RE: creating a user directory  Re: dump and fopen help $ Re: Excitement -- and disappointment9 Festive Wishes from the only bloke still in the office... 
 FT: PDP-11/34 0 Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceeds0 Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceeds0 Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceeds0 Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceeds/ Looking for new home: VAX6620 + VAX6530 cluster * Re: Microsoft admits HOTMAIL still on Unix- Re: Minute Day of the DCL: the 2001 Challenge P Re: Proof!  I can secure UNIX faster than VMS! Was: Re: Congratulations for the F Re: [anounce] Sanity Kit for Compaq C++ V6.5 for OpenVMS Alpha systemsF Re: [anounce] Sanity Kit for Compaq C++ V6.5 for OpenVMS Alpha systemsP Re: [anounce] Sanity Kit for Compaq C++ V6.5 for OpenVMS Alpha systems systemssy  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 24 Dec 01 09:27:50 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com G Subject: Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the + Message-ID: <a073pu$ef3$2@bob.news.rcn.net>   < In article <d7791aa1.0112230640.493f8f5@posting.google.com>,,    bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:6 >leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote in message # news:<a02vs1$l64$1@joe.rice.edu>... / >> Mark Crispin (mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU) wrote: 1 >> : My consulting rates start at $10,000/week...  >>  2 >> Damn, why are you wasting time in this forum ?  >>  = >> We'd forgive you if you had to go make a buck, really. ;-)  >>  7 >> --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)  > K >another point ... Bill Gates had Dave Cutler use VMS and the Dec Mica code J >as a base for NT ... if unix is so great, why didn't he base NT after theC >unix model instead of vms?  That is because he knows what is best!    must...not...comment.    /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 24 Dec 01 09:30:08 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com G Subject: Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the + Message-ID: <a073u8$ef3$3@bob.news.rcn.net>   = In article <d7791aa1.0112230642.283c7922@posting.google.com>, ,    bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski) wrote:< >"Adam Price" <adam+usenet@pappnase.co.uk> wrote in message < news:<hHfV7.17895$4f7.2122108@news11-gui.server.ntli.net>...8 >> "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message7 >> > Why don't you tell us why unix is better than VMS? = >> How many of those nice SC class supercomputers that Compaq % >> has been selling recently run VMS? - >> Now keep the religious biggotry elsewhere. 
 >> *PLONK* > G >why did bill gates choose vms over unix as the platform to base NT on? + >why does intel make their chips using vms? B >why does the jstars plane flying around over afghanistan use vms?9 >I could go on with these questions, do you have answers?   9 They use a timesharing operating system to do this stuff?  I sure wouldn't.     /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:25:48 +0000   From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comG Subject: Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the : Message-ID: <OFDAEDD5FD.CA3A5CFF-ON00256B2C.0054B85B@btyp>  $ Well, he's probably not very busy...   ;^D    Steve S         = leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) on 12/22/2001 10:01:37 PM     To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com cc: G From:      leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie), 22 December 2001, 10:01             p.m.   > Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the    , Mark Crispin (mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU) wrote:. : My consulting rates start at $10,000/week...  . Damn, why are you wasting time in this forum ?  : We'd forgive you if you had to go make a buck, really. ;-)  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)          F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has G been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, $ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received K this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.   
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.   I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, D RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Dec 2001 16:41:29 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)G Subject: Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the 2 Message-ID: <a07lrp$25sr$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  = In article <d7791aa1.0112230642.283c7922@posting.google.com>, ) Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote: G >why did bill gates choose vms over unix as the platform to base NT on?   = Actually, VMS was his second choice. UNIX had been the first.   J It all came down to control. He tried to get AT&T to give him an exclusiveI license for UNIX so he could make Xenix into the Next Big Thing, and when K they said no (or, rather, they were not in a position to do that) he dumped F Xenix (which he HAD been trumpeting as the high-end OS from Microsoft)( and got started on a new Next Big Thing.   --  @ Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	      "Cave cuniculos lagana ferentes"  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:59:28 -0500 ( From: Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>G Subject: Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the A Message-ID: <20011224125806.K2276-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu>   % On 24 Dec 2001, Peter da Silva wrote:   ? > In article <d7791aa1.0112230642.283c7922@posting.google.com>, + > Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote: I > >why did bill gates choose vms over unix as the platform to base NT on?  > ? > Actually, VMS was his second choice. UNIX had been the first.   E And, actually, he abandoned the VMS model in favor of the Mach model.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2001 10:58:28 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: Buffer Overflows - again Was: (Re: Congratulations for the = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0112241058.60cdc724@posting.google.com>   _ Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca> wrote in message news:<3C260BD5.F6AD6931@jetnet.ab.ca>... N > > another point ... Bill Gates had Dave Cutler use VMS and the Dec Mica codeM > > as a base for NT ... if unix is so great, why didn't he base NT after the F > > unix model instead of vms?  That is because he knows what is best! > F > With Bill Gates track record for quality software is this a plug for > unix?   @ no, he knows which os is the best, but he couldn't duplicate it!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:58:51 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> ; Subject: Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways 5 Message-ID: <3C26EE4B.C501DDAA@swissonline.delete.ch>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  ..... P > 2- Shareholders are not interested in VMS. They don't know it exists. They areO > interested in Compaq generating positive news by the media to boost the share P > price. And those positive news is improvement ibn its PC business. So it wouldH > be expected that Capellas' replacement would pledge to focus on the PC1 > business to fox it and make it succesful again.    Two points:   @ 1.  I've emailed a letter based on my post on Saturday ("More onH Marketing") to Marcello, Gorham, Kahle and Frazier because these are theF best hopes for a getting a change to Compaq's marketing strategy.  YouC may recall that in that letter I said that promoting their high-end @ higher-profit platforms seems a lot more sensible in the currentF financial situation than the constant promotion of PCs.  Maybe it willG cause them to reconsider and maybe before the next stockholders meeting H we will see an increased awareness that Compaq sells more than just PCs.    F 2.  I found something from August 2000 that said VMS business producedE about $3.4 billion in revenue to Compaq each year (quoting Mary-Ellen C Fortier).  Assuming she was basing this on the 1999 year, the total E server revenue for Enterprise that year was $12.9 billion.  Bill Todd E said that VMS income is about $400 million per year and in 1999 total D income for Enterprise was $1.2 billion.  What all this means is thatD from a financial aspect, VMS is about 1/3rd of the high end business both in revenue and income.   C It is clear that Enterprise has been the major income generator for F Compaq in the last three year.  It is also pretty obvious that most of@ Global Services consulting work is in relation to the Enterprise	 machines.   D If the stockholders don't know what is holding this company together" then something is seriously wrong.     John   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:22:48 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> ; Subject: Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways 5 Message-ID: <3C273A38.75B098B7@swissonline.delete.ch>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > John McLean wrote:L > > regardless of whatever else they may do.  Most of us also recognize thatC > > this forum appears to have little impact on Compaq's decisions.  > K > We don't know that. If this forum was used as an example of how customers L > would react should Compaq kill VMS, then it may have helped prevent CompaqL > from taking a much mroe radical decision about VMS in recent times becauseO > they would know that they would lose the customers to other companies and not 6 > be able to convert them to NT at this point in time. > O > Once thing to remember: by the time a decision is made public, it is too late M > to change it, short of a massive upheaval (Coke classic being the exmaple).  > M > So one must lay the seeds PRIOR to a decision being made so that such seeds N > will help shape that decision. Much easier to shape a decision before it hasS > been made than ask people to admit they erred in making a decision and revert it.    Absolutely !     M > Ask yourself: Had VMS customers never complained about the poor handling by O > Digital and now Compaq and just quietly went away without a word, what do you K > think would have happened ? My guess is that we wouldn't be talking here, Q > except perhaps in the same type of discussions as Amiga folks are still having.     D I believe that we have very little chance of getting any informationG BEFORE Compaq make a change that impacts VMS.  We have to find a way to " prevent these detrimental changes.  G This is why I am targetting Compaq's marketing (both general and VMS).  F As far as I can see they ... well, to be charitable at Xmas, ..leave a hell of a lot to be desired.  F I believe their attitude of keeping VMS in a shrinking niche market isH very bad for the platform.  And it's an attitude that makes little senseE when Compaq just about need every dollar of income they can get their H hands on.  Just as questionable is the current ploy of advertising PCs -G they are the lowest income earner for Compaq, not the highest.  Revenue 1 might be good, but income is a darn sight better!   E This restriction of the VMS market, plus the lack of decent promotion G for VMS and Tru64 has basically been the reason for the loss of Alpha.  H Had they tried a bit harder and released the shackles, the income stream0 may have been quite good.  We'll never know now.  B So to try to stop any more detrimental decisions, I'm looking back< upstream and trying to do something about the problem there.  G Alan Greig says I've been got at.  No way.  I'm just changing my aim to G a target which might be a bit easier to attack.  (Sort of like changing D from heavily fortified positions to targetting the ammunition dump.)     cheers   John Mcl   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2001 14:05:05 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> ; Subject: Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways 6 Message-ID: <20011224140505.26769.qmail@gacracker.org>  G On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote:    <snip>  E >I believe that we have very little chance of getting any information H >BEFORE Compaq make a change that impacts VMS.  We have to find a way to# >prevent these detrimental changes.  > H >This is why I am targetting Compaq's marketing (both general and VMS). G >As far as I can see they ... well, to be charitable at Xmas, ..leave a  >hell of a lot to be desired.   H Good luck with your campaign! Marketing has to be the key to growing the; VMS base and ensuring it remains a viable operating system.    <snip>  H >Alan Greig says I've been got at.  No way.  I'm just changing my aim toH >a target which might be a bit easier to attack.  (Sort of like changingE >from heavily fortified positions to targetting the ammunition dump.)   J Nothing seems to have changed since I called the Compaq marketing strategyJ "Plan 9 for OpenVMS", perhaps some of the denziens of this newsgroup couldF put their not-inconsiderable talent into coming up with some marketing slogans for the OS?    I still like my one...  . When Microsoft says "You will be Assimilated"," A VMS system is your best defense.  8 Can't see Compaq ever airing that in a TV ad though. :-)     Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.net    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:27:41 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) ; Subject: Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways 7 Message-ID: <9181706F1warrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>   + billtodd@metrocast.net (Bill Todd) wrote in 6 <pV4V7.83582$Zd.7919952@bin1.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>:    > B >But not better than getting off your duff and marketing your mostI >profitable product line so that the continuing expenditure would be more  >than justified. >  >- bill   L My experience in Corporate America has led me to believe that most managers J are either "tweakers", or "fire-fighters".  The tweakers seek to increase H ROI on existing product lines by reducing financial support to the bare G minimum, or engaging in largely trivial product/marketing tweaks.  The  L fire-fighters at CPQ see plumetting PC profit, and start throwing resources F at it to save it.  It seems (to me) obvious that short-term financial 8 motives are at work, rather than any longer-term vision.  K Neither mindset is likely to take an existing profitable product and throw aD $$ at it (read "risk").  It ain't broke - so don't fix it - tune it!   ws   -- t   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)n The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Dec 2001 18:09:28 GMT( From: nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren); Subject: Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both wayst0 Message-ID: <a07r0o$oja$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>  = In article <4495ef1f.0112232218.64a326d1@posting.google.com>,a0 Brannon Batson <Brannon_Batson@yahoo.com> wrote:a >nmm1@cus.cam.ac.uk (Nick Maclaren) wrote in message news:<a04e3t$ffa$1@pegasus.csx.cam.ac.uk>...r	 >> [snip]o >> uF >> Paradoxically, I think that it was API.  Not the decision to set itC >> up, which was reasonable, but the way that it was prevented fromoA >> producing products that would lead Compaq's (either in time ore >> performance).   >h@ >Nick, you keep making these claims that Samsung had 8Ghz AlphasE >waiting in the wings but Compaq wouldn't sell them, but you have yettG >to offer any proof other than Samsung press releases.  Those that know B >the true dynamic that existed with Samsung may disagree with yourE >analysis, especially those that are unable to comment one way or the  >other.a >t >not speaking for Intelg  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   B I should damn well hope not!  Even by Intel standards, inventing a2 factor of 8 just to create a straw man is extreme.  B Go and read the rest of my postings.  Both IBM and Samsung claimed? to be able to produce 1 GHz Alphas in quantity, and IBM are nottC notorious for making claims that they can't follow through.  UnlikesC a certain extremely large chip maker that you may be familiar with.+  > And, as I should have thought was obvious, I was not primarilyB referring to the clock rate, but such things as PCI 64/66 support.? And there was a chipset available for that nearly a year before- the ES45 hit the streets.-     Regards, Nick Maclaren,* University of Cambridge Computing Service,> New Museums Site, Pembroke Street, Cambridge CB2 3QH, England. Email:  nmm1@cam.ac.uk/ Tel.:  +44 1223 334761    Fax:  +44 1223 334679n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:50:58 -0000b- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)@2 Subject: Compaq's Notion of "Enterprise Platforms"7 Message-ID: <918163C49warrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>C  K I received a phone call from a Compaq sales/marketing type last week.  She >J wanted to know what I was planning to buy in terms of enterprise platform E boxes in the near future.  I asked her what she meant by "enterprise iL platform", and she responded with (para-phrase):  Windows NT/2K on Proliant 
 or similar...s  E I said "That's a desktop - aren't OpenVMS and Tru-64 your enterprise wL platforms?"  She wasn't knowledgable in those areas, unfortunately, and our $ phone call ended shortly thereafter.   ws   --     Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)- The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:27:29 +0100$1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>16 Subject: Re: Compaq's Notion of "Enterprise Platforms"5 Message-ID: <3C275771.109494F8@swissonline.delete.ch>t   Warren Spencer wrote:  > L > I received a phone call from a Compaq sales/marketing type last week.  SheK > wanted to know what I was planning to buy in terms of enterprise platformyF > boxes in the near future.  I asked her what she meant by "enterpriseM > platform", and she responded with (para-phrase):  Windows NT/2K on Prolianti > or similar...s > F > I said "That's a desktop - aren't OpenVMS and Tru-64 your enterpriseM > platforms?"  She wasn't knowledgable in those areas, unfortunately, and our & > phone call ended shortly thereafter. >    Warren,?  3 I'd put a brief introduction to this and send it toeF Rick.Frazier@compaq.com and Jackie.Kahle@compaq.com (who is out of the$ office but will be back on Jan 7th).  D Be very clear why you think this is a poor effort and what you think< should be done.  Abuse probably won't help so keep it civil.  E The more complaints that Compaq get like this, the harder they should 6 looking at the performance of their Marketing people.      John McL   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:09:24 GMTi( From: "Ken Farmer" <kfarmer@openvms.org>6 Subject: Re: Compaq's Notion of "Enterprise Platforms"> Message-ID: <8jJV7.59022$0t.10970078@typhoon.southeast.rr.com>   John,   L Sorry I had to send you this via newsgroup.  I sent you email at your return address but it didn't make it.  @ Can you send me your email address offline?  kfarmer@openvms.org   Ken    --  
 Ken Farmer http://www.OpenVMS.org http://www.Tru64.org    > "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message/ news:3C275771.109494F8@swissonline.delete.ch..._ >_ >_ > Warren Spencer wrote:_ > >_I > > I received a phone call from a Compaq sales/marketing type last week.t She D > > wanted to know what I was planning to buy in terms of enterprise platformH > > boxes in the near future.  I asked her what she meant by "enterpriseF > > platform", and she responded with (para-phrase):  Windows NT/2K on Proliant > > or similar...  > >eH > > I said "That's a desktop - aren't OpenVMS and Tru-64 your enterpriseK > > platforms?"  She wasn't knowledgable in those areas, unfortunately, andt ourh( > > phone call ended shortly thereafter. > >  >e	 > Warren,  >e5 > I'd put a brief introduction to this and send it toiH > Rick.Frazier@compaq.com and Jackie.Kahle@compaq.com (who is out of the& > office but will be back on Jan 7th). >dF > Be very clear why you think this is a poor effort and what you think> > should be done.  Abuse probably won't help so keep it civil. >0G > The more complaints that Compaq get like this, the harder they shouldf7 > looking at the performance of their Marketing people.  >s >-
 > John McL   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 24 Dec 01 09:32:45 GMT9 From: jmfbahciv@aol.com 3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive seasonb+ Message-ID: <a07436$ef3$4@bob.news.rcn.net>m  D In article <a04fs4$570$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:- >In article <3C241959.79281F28@jetnet.ab.ca>,r0 >   Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca> wrote: >>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: >>A >>> Oh, yea.  A key ingredient of this team is that they are ablewB >>> to learn from previous mistakes (not something that Misoft has >>> done at all).e >>M$ is great at marketing!  >  >I don't agree with this.i >h/ >> ..Not computer software. Why else could theyv >>sellG >>BASIC (yuck),DOS a (CP/M clone),WINDOWS! (apple clone?). The customerl >>has not learned yet! >a> >Because they are customers who acquire the software when they= >buy the hardware on a one time basis.  That software is also@B >distributed on an "as is" basis.  It's only recently that patches= >to fix problems have become available to existing systems.  r> >Misoft has never been in the software development business as9 >we at DEC knew it; they are in the software distributionl7 >business.  I don't know why people keep confusing this  >stuff.b  < Somebody corrected me via e-mail and told me that this is no longer true.  My apologies.e   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.a   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2001 07:55:44 -05005 From: pechter@i4got.pechter.dyndns.org (Bill Pechter)k3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive season|4 Message-ID: <a078kg$13pi$1@i4got.pechter.dyndns.org>  G In article <a023uf$bdi$3@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:e >>= >And that's why throwing out an operating system because it's8; >mature is stupid.  Unix is just starting that process.  It:; >takes an organized effort by a common group of people over ) >a decade to get the damn thing polished.o >n    7 And the people who do this need to be on the same team. + The problem with "Unix" is there isn't one.c= The last time there was a "Unix" was when the stuff was stillSD inside AT&T and before there were all these commercial Unix varientsD each with different focus on security issues and without one central code repository.    = >It's not the code that's important; it's the people who knowf< >how to get that code out to the field in a sane set of bits8 >that is important.  Once you break up that team, the OS >can be considered shit.    E Yup.  With Unix there started to be two groups... USL (AT&T) and BSD.lB After the late 80's to early 90's the code base splintered further( with no central repository for the code.   >d> >Oh, yea.  A key ingredient of this team is that they are able? >to learn from previous mistakes (not something that Misoft hasn >done at all).  F Yup... That's why I like *BSD so much... At least they see each others security fixes.e     >m >/BAHn >b   Bill  H (boy it's good to be back online after a really bad couple of months...)   -- c --  H   d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN.  Don't you wish you could still buy it now!0   bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@ureach.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:08:19 GMTc) From: Charles Richmond <richmond@ev1.net>g3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive seasone' Message-ID: <3C2743FB.282F5A93@ev1.net>o   jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: > , >      [snip...]     [nsip...]     [snip...] > B > That's all that exists!  If you take a look at the evolutions ofB > any operating system, you'll find that they were all handicappedC > for good reasons.  As hardware and computer usage changed, so didmB > the operating systems to accomodate those changes.  Unix has not? > had the luxury of a concerted evolution effort until the lasta= > few years.  Now that developers' hands aren't tied, it willa	 > evolve.n > = > The reason that Misoft's software will never evolve is that ; > their procedures to produce software is based on one-time > > ships.  Period.  And they've got absolutely nothing in place? > to process all individual customers' complaints, suggestions,a > or other.  > = I read somewhere that Mi$uck had a bug-reporting phone number 5 for NT...you had to pay them $70 to register a bug...    -- o? +-------------------------------------------------------------+ ? |     Charles and Francis Richmond     <richmond@plano.net>   |h? +-------------------------------------------------------------+s   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 24 Dec 01 11:13:15 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com-3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive season + Message-ID: <a079vj$prr$7@bob.news.rcn.net>t  4 In article <a078kg$13pi$1@i4got.pechter.dyndns.org>,9    pechter@i4got.pechter.dyndns.org (Bill Pechter) wrote:lH >In article <a023uf$bdi$3@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: >>> >>And that's why throwing out an operating system because it's< >>mature is stupid.  Unix is just starting that process.  It< >>takes an organized effort by a common group of people over* >>a decade to get the damn thing polished. >> >l >S8 >And the people who do this need to be on the same team.  > YES!  This saves the development from making the same mistakes8 over and over and over with each release.  It also keeps/ old farts around to train the new young things.N    , >The problem with "Unix" is there isn't one.   I know.  It worries me.n  > >The last time there was a "Unix" was when the stuff was still
 >inside AT&T k  ? And note that the primary business of AT&T at that time was notO@ computer systems.  Just getting permission to modify the sources> took a miracle.  My analogy was that both hands got duct-taped? to the bottom of the desk trying to do this; the first by one'sn@ own management foibles and the second by ATT management foibles.* Not a good way to do software development.  = > ...and before there were all these commercial Unix varientshE >each with different focus on security issues and without one centralt >code repository.k  @ Yup.  I'm amazed that the standards that exist remained over all	 varients.   > >>It's not the code that's important; it's the people who know= >>how to get that code out to the field in a sane set of bitss9 >>that is important.  Once you break up that team, the OS  >>can be considered shit.  t >eF >Yup.  With Unix there started to be two groups... USL (AT&T) and BSD.C >After the late 80's to early 90's the code base splintered furtherb) >with no central repository for the code.e  : We'll see how this open source concept works.  I've got my< niggles about it but I don't have enough data to write about them.  a >t >>? >>Oh, yea.  A key ingredient of this team is that they are ableq@ >>to learn from previous mistakes (not something that Misoft has >>done at all).r > G >Yup... That's why I like *BSD so much... At least they see each othersr >security fixes.  I >(boy it's good to be back online after a really bad couple of months...)   + (boy, it's good to see you back online. ;-)    /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.n   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2001 06:58:30 -0800+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>n3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive seasone) Message-ID: <a07fqm02gub@drn.newsguy.com>b  7 In article <3C2743FB.282F5A93@ev1.net>, Charles says...' >u >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:a> >> The reason that Misoft's software will never evolve is that< >> their procedures to produce software is based on one-time? >> ships.  Period.  And they've got absolutely nothing in place-@ >> to process all individual customers' complaints, suggestions, >> or other. >> s> >I read somewhere that Mi$uck had a bug-reporting phone number6 >for NT...you had to pay them $70 to register a bug...  A Seems hardly worthwhile to do anything with NT4.0 since they longl@ ago announced that they aren't even selling it en masse anymore:  A  http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/ProductInfo/Pricing/discon.aspe  = The official path for OEM's and volume buyers who want to usei= NT4.0 is that they now have to buy a Windows 2000 license andk "downgrade" it to NT4.0.   Tim.   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Dec 2001 16:31:27 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive season 2 Message-ID: <a07l8v$25hm$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  5 In article <3C264941.1CD8D6DB@bartek.dontspamme.net>,v4 Arthur Krewat  <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net> wrote:H >The analogy doesn't apply very well to this particular argument. C is aC >compiler, likewise any other compiler out there. They all compile.   G Fine. You're trying to use a jeweler's hammer to drive railroad spikes,e@ or a 20 pound sledge to straighten the handle on a chafing disk.  G C is an amazingly good language for some things, it's not something youmG want to have average quality programmers using if they have more than at= few thousand (maybe even hundred) lines of code to deal with.e  I C++ is a failed attempt to address this, and has if anything made the job- of the programmer harder.t  H My son's high school CS class is using C++ as their teaching language. I couldn't beieve it!o   -- e@ Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	      "Cave cuniculos lagana ferentes"  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)l   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Dec 2001 16:44:54 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive season12 Message-ID: <a07m26$265i$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  = In article <d7791aa1.0112230653.6980b812@posting.google.com>,s) Bob Ceculski <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote:mD >My 10 year old son has no problems with the vms security model ...   = Your 10 year old son is designing security-critical software?e  C >The unix security model is all or none ... you call that security?n  3 Have you actually been reading a word I've written?r   -- i@ Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	      "Cave cuniculos lagana ferentes"  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Dec 2001 16:37:39 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive seasonb2 Message-ID: <a07lkj$25qu$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>  0 In article <qhadw9vk83.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>,5 Eric Smith  <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> wrote:r+ >peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva) writes:rF >> C is actually not a bad language, for writing systems code on smallC >> systems. Other languages in the same class have almost identical D >> kinds of problems when you apply them to problems that are out of >> their league.  H >Agreed.  I said essentially the same thing earlier in the thread.  C isG >very good for developing code FOR small machines, with the development_E >HOSTED on a small machine.  Beyond that, it's the wrong tool.  SincemF >almost no software development is HOSTED on a small machine any more, >C has little place any more.i  ! s/small machines/small programs/.t  E And I don't see that the size of the machine it's hosted on is really>D relevant. It's not computational resources that are saved by workingF in C as much as programmer resources. When you're working at the hairyG edge of assembly-level programming, you need a language like C or BLISSuD or PL/M rather than either Assembler or something that doesn't model the hardware very well.   G The fact that these languages kept getting reinvented until one of themaH (it happened to be C, though Intel kept PL/M on life support for quite aG long time, and BCPL seems to still have a following) became the obviouso& winner is enough proof they're needed.   -- r@ Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	      "Cave cuniculos lagana ferentes"  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)B   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:56:56 -0500l( From: Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive seasonhA Message-ID: <20011224125311.J2276-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu>k  % On 24 Dec 2001, Peter da Silva wrote:r   >nJ > My son's high school CS class is using C++ as their teaching language. I > couldn't beieve it!a  G You would be amazed at the (growing) number of students showing up heremE with the claim they "majored in Computer Science) in high school.  WeaE even had one who had been running a consulting business (his own, not-E working for dad) while in high school. He almost didn't finish at allc> and even after 5+ years his graduation isn't a sure thing yet.  E In my opinion, high schools are doing much more harm than good to the0! next generation of professionals.r   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:18:25 -0000 1 From: "Chris Townley" <news@townleyc.demon.co.uk>S& Subject: Re: creating a user directory@ Message-ID: <1009158483.885.0.nnrp-13.d4e45fa5@news.demon.co.uk>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message ; news:20011223120956.B1361-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu...e >s= > Can someone please tell me how to create a user directory??- >-E > I have been unable to create a directory that belongs to anyone butMD > [DEFAULT] and have been unable to change the ownership afterwards. >EG > I realize that VMS is supposed to be easy, but why is it that optionshH > like OWNER_UIC= don't work and don't return some kind of error messageJ > telling you why they didn't work??  I have tried everything I could findK > in the SysManagers Manual even to re-initializing the disk with differenth > PROTECTION settings. >pJ > I guess the fact that my production machine always used NFS mounted homeH > directories from a Unix system has hidden this task from me until now. >n/ > This can't really be that difficult, can it??' >n  J Bear in mind the owner spec must either be a numeric UIC, or an identifierH representing that UIC. Normally in my experience, an identifier would beK created for each user, but frequently this gets missed, then you cannot usef	 the name.e   -- Chrisb   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 10:28:08 -0000h8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>& Subject: RE: creating a user directoryN Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240010BF196@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  ' Perhaps there's a logical name "BILL" ?    John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk= Post: Denys Wilkinson Building, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKnA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)p   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2001 00:10:30 -0800& From: dyadav7@yahoo.com (Deepak Yadav)  Subject: Re: dump and fopen help= Message-ID: <13e80e3d.0112240010.34b55c17@posting.google.com>s  k "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote in message news:<6luV7.98326$li3.1031441@ozemail.com.au>...s5 > "Deepak Yadav" <dyadav7@yahoo.com> wrote in message49 > news:13e80e3d.0112202357.6f848022@posting.google.com...e> > > "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote in message2 >  news:<jkxU7.97205$li3.973037@ozemail.com.au>...9 > > > "Deepak Yadav" <dyadav7@yahoo.com> wrote in message = > > > news:13e80e3d.0112200646.1b72375b@posting.google.com...p
 > > > > Hi> > > > >     when i do a dump it shows 3 virtual blocks of 512.C > > > > the first and third blocks have all 00 and second block hasa' > > > > first 100 byte set and rest 00.  > > >tK > > > If your dump is showing virtual blocks it is a "raw" dump of the file : > > > To show the record structure use $DUMP/RECORD <file> > > >  > >uB > > Dump/Record showed one record in the file. so that explain the > > dump and fopen differences.  > >i< > > when i copying it into a new file by opening new file by6 > >    fopen( New_File , "wb" ,"rms=100" , "rfm=fix");# > > It created a file of this type.p > >l) > > ( ---- File organization:  SequentialoH > > File attributes:    Allocation: 4, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0( > >                     No version limit! > > Record format:      Stream_LF-8 > > Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control > > RMS attributes:     None! > > Journaling enabled: None -- )t > >s7 > > this is not same as the previous file which i want,mG > > how can i convert/( chnage fopen arguemnts) to make the new file as B > > relative file and fixed 100 byted record as the original file. > >u > First you create your fdl....i< > Use $analyze/rms/fdl/out=rel.fdl  <your old relative file>* > Then edit it to apply to your "new file" > Here's one I prepared earlierg > C > IDENT   "24-DEC-2001 10:47:01   OpenVMS ANALYZE/RMS_FILE Utility"I >  > SYSTEM) >         SOURCE                  OpenVMS  >  > FILE# >         ALLOCATION              0a# >         EXTENSION               0., >         MAX_RECORD_NUMBER       2147483647* >         ORGANIZATION            relative >  > RECORD% >         BLOCK_SPAN              yesi1 >         CARRIAGE_CONTROL        carriage_returni' >         FORMAT                  fixeds% >         SIZE                    100e >  > Then > A > $convert /fdl=rel.fdl <your stream_lf file> <new relative file>s > PhilB > ps. you can get tools at http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/  
 Thanks a lot.y+ The steps given by you worked Really Great.e@ Thanks also for promptness as the solution helped in meeting the> deadline(today itself which was impossible without your help).> Also now i know how to convert files from one type to another.   Deepak   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:58:00 GMT:* From: "Andy Stoffel" <acs@fcgnetworks.net>- Subject: Re: Excitement -- and disappointmentrB Message-ID: <YUKV7.217749$C8.15184092@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  5 "Stanley F. Quayle" <stan@stanq.com> wrote in message ( news:3C2364B4.23250.570ED59@localhost...: > I am now a Compaq Accredited Professional OpenVMS SystemC > Administrator.  My welcome packet came today.  It had a very nice * > certificate, and an official Compaq pen. > : > The pen says "Tru64 Unix Systems Administrator".  *sigh*  A It should get better %-).... after 2 years of assorted Compaq ASEt? accreditation names/changes (It started out as 1 certification:r "AlpahServer/OpenVMS ASE"t= but I now have little "id" cards from the ASE folks that say:o!  "Accredited Platform Integrator"o "Systems Administrator"  "Accredited Systems Engineer" )   9 And in that time I've only seen several real benefits....p  D 1 - It was possible to sign up for a free year of VMS/CONDIST/CONDOCD     (Though whether that is really a year of or not isn't clear....)A 2 - The ASE folks occasionally send out holiday "gifts" (though IrA      liked last year's chocolate better than this year's popcorn)kE 3 - I seem to recall getting a better rate for CETS2000 because of itu  A But most of their materials seem to be PC centric (I've got a boxTP full of 2 years worth of Compaq PC related CD's) even if you aren't a PC person.   -Andy-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:20:07 +0000p  From: Steve.Spires@yellgroup.comB Subject: Festive Wishes from the only bloke still in the office...: Message-ID: <OF3FD88516.1B81F937-ON00256B2C.004E2C81@btyp>  G ..as everyone else went at 14:00 and the guy who's SUPPOSED to be doingh, this change I'm involved in didn't pitch up!  J Anyway, best wishes for the holiday period, however you're celebrating it, and even if you don't.  I Oh, and as I'm back in the office Boxing Day I hope I won't be on my own!l   Cheers   Steve Spires      F ______________________________________________________________________     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beG confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has G been addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce,l$ distribute or use this transmission.  H Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee isG not intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received K this transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.d  
 Thank you.  D Yell Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 7PT.; Registered in England and Wales, registered number 4205228.   I Yellow Pages Sales Limited, Queens Walk, Oxford Road, Reading, Berkshire,-D RG1 7PT. Registered in England and Wales, registered number 1403041.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 17:54:34 GMT- From: vze2mj6m@mail.verizon.net- Subject: FT: PDP-11/340 Message-ID: <3C276BE4.CC998066@mail.verizon.net>  7 Have a complete PDP-11/34 available for trade for other = PDP-11 parts. Since I won't be trading unless it is something8: really good, I'll probably be covering the shipping within the Continental US.e   email: dec.parts@verizon.net                               Bennett   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 07:53:45 GMT   From: cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net>9 Subject: Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceedsz+ Message-ID: <3C26DEF5.AFC9399D@prodigy.net>>   John McLean wrote: >  > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:A > >eO > > Yes it would, assuming that Compaq wants to sell VMS. I for one don't thinke9 > > that would go over very well with CPQ stockholders...t > >h >  > Sure of that ? > J > Compaq has said that there is no money in being different; VMS certainly > is different.  > J > Compaq has squeezed VMS between Unix for general purpose and Himalya forH > high-end.  In other words they believe it offers little that the other
 > OSes don't.t > A > I think they'd be happily to sell it ... or maybe, to use theirsG > language, TRANSFER it (where a "transfer" is believed to involve someoF > discounts or other benefit to Compaq without money actually changing	 > hands).l > ? > On this basis there's only one place that I can think of themf! > transferring it to - Microsoft.r > 
 > John McLeane  ! Maybe RedHat would appreciate it.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:21:41 GMTo  From: cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net>9 Subject: Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceeds>* Message-ID: <3C26E580.318C580@prodigy.net>   JF Mezei wrote:> >  <snip>P > But I suspect that the pain level of killing VMS is slowly getting to the sameF > level as the advantages of getting rid of VMS. With some of the moreP > profitable VMS customers having been bribed to side with Compaq for the June25O > murder, I suspect that Compaq now feels greater liberty at ignoring VMS since J > it has some assurances that the majority of VMS profits generated by the$ > minority of VMS customers is safe.  H It seems like that is what one should expect in a free market economy.    I If Hewpaq doesn't think the value justifies the effort, it SHOULD go EOL.gF As a customer, the way to keep it alive is to (collectively) buy more.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:36:06 -0800o' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>u9 Subject: Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceedse+ Message-ID: <3C275976.5A290D97@caltech.edu>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:-L > Indeed they could... but if FreePort Express/FX!32 et al was so great, whyG > didn't more folks run their Intel windoze apps on AlphaNT. Seems thateI > emulation/translation isn't acceptable, especially for mission-critical9 > apps.>  G I tried that for a while (not mission critical, but word processing andf
 the like.)H If memory serves correctly on a 166 Mhz Alphastation these programs were noticeably slowersH than the same programs running on bog standard Dell 90 Mhz Pentium, even	 after alliF the FX!32 performance enhancements had a chance to kick in.  The alpha cost 3XhC what the pentium did. It made no sense at all to pay 3X as much fort worse performance.H Not that it usually made sense to pay 3X as much for 2X the performance,	 which wasn) the case for native software in that era.   E The fool(s) at DEC who negotiated the original NT deal with Microsoftd should have been takenH out and summarily executed - along with everybody else who signed off on that deal. I neverH could figure out why these idiots thought that OS support without native software was worthE having.  What kind of morons were they?  Oh yeah, I remember now, the) kind that ran theirt company into the ground.     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:42:17 -0000K- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)T9 Subject: Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceedse7 Message-ID: <91818FED2warrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>e  3 susan.skonetski@compaq.com (Sue Skonetski) wrote inj' <dGGU7.317$sK3.5175@news.cpqcorp.net>: e  C >The only thing that is killing the OpenVMS Customer base is people H >complaining and saying that Digital/Compaq/HP are going to kill VMS. DoE >you realize every time someone posts a sky is falling message we get G >calls and emails from our customers which we then have to work with toaC >keep as customers, stopping us from doing other work (like portingfG >work)? Every time a negative stream starts our competition is glad and I >they can say "see I told you so." No, I do not have my head in the sand,vI >but I would prefer to defend VMS against a foe instead of a friend. Letsy, >not loose the war because of friendly fire. >  >t >  >Sue >t  I Forgive me Sue, but friendly fire is not "the only thing that is killing rD OpenVMS...".  While it might be a contributor, Compaq has made some J arguably significant mis-steps recently, and must bear the responsibility J for them, whether it's palatable or not.  And it's CPQ's refusal to do so $ that has some in c.o.v so incensed.    ws   -- o   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)1 The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2001 17:32:06 +0100- From: Neil Franklin <neil@franklin.ch.remove> 8 Subject: Looking for new home: VAX6620 + VAX6530 cluster/ Message-ID: <6u4rmginp5.fsf@chonsp.franklin.ch>"  B Crossposted alt.folklore.computers and comp.os.vms, I only monitorE alt.folklore.computers, so leave that one in. Feel free to post it to ) other interested groups or mailing lists.e    ? Just got a mail from an colleague, that his employers 2 machinet) VAX cluster that is about to be scrapped.   @ AFAIK they are to be given away for free, the new owner arranges& and payes for transport (read: truck).  C Place to fetch them from is network building of University Hospitals" of University Zurich, Switzerland.      System data, as mailed from him:  3 1 VAX 6620                           W77xH155xD80cm 3 1 VAX 6530                           W77xH155xD80cmt3 1 HSC50                              W54xH107xD80cmd3 1 StorageWorks                       W76xH170xD88cme    containing:  1 TSZ07 tape unit"                2 HSJ40 controllers"               29 4GByte SCSI disks%               13 power supply modulesy 1 Infoserver 1002 1 MA-50 tape controller              W48xH13xD55cm   with 2 Exabyte tape unitst  3 There is also an VT320 to go, but I am having that.e    C This stuff must be gone before 2002.02.11, and he must have an firm I commitment before mid 2002.01 (else he will be ordering removal service).e     --? Neil Franklin, neil@franklin.ch.remove http://neil.franklin.ch/h? Hacker, Unix Guru, El Eng HTL/BSc, Sysadmin, Archer, Roleplayerd/ - Intellectual Property is Intellectual Robbery    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 15:40:42 -0000t- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)t3 Subject: Re: Microsoft admits HOTMAIL still on Unix 7 Message-ID: <91816F3D7warrenspencer1977@207.126.101.97>-  C jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca (JF Mezei) wrote in <3C17CFB8.8DAADAE9  @videotron.ca>:i  K >Guess it will be a while longer before Microsoft can handle VMS systems ons >Windows, right ?  >- >-3 >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/28/23348.htmlr > % >Microsoft Hotmail still runs on U**xj >By Andrew Orlowskio  >Posted: 12/12/2001 at 13:51 GMT  
 -- snip --  I >But a Microsoft spokesperson told Reuters yesterday that Hotmail is the lJ >only Microsoft system that runs on U**x, and that the migration is still  >in progress.   K Somewhat related, I had a telephone interview with Microsoft about 5 years eL ago.  During that conversation, the interviewer told me the position was in I one of their MIS groups, and that all Microsoft's MIS operations were on s> Windows - no 3rd party products.  She made a big deal of this.  J A month later ComputerWorld ran an article that listed 3rd part hardware, J software, and OS's that Microsoft used for its MIS functions, in addition  to Windows.r  = Overall, I was inclined to believe the Computerworld article.   
 -- snip --   Warren Spencer' Senior Software Engineer (not a writer)  The Associated Press  L ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements - neither do I  **   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 18:29:18 +0000 % From: "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> 6 Subject: Re: Minute Day of the DCL: the 2001 Challenge' Message-ID: <3C2773FE.A88A5466@iee.org>    Malcolm wrote: > 2 > "a.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote in message6 > > Your loop seems to go from 0 to (string length-1),& > > but the original FORTRAN code went > > from 1 to (string length).  H > ...but strings in DCL start at 0. And the way it works, the variable I > counts upaK > to one less than the number of characters. If you had FOOBAR as a string,r> > the first character is LINE[0,8] and the last is LINE[40,8].  # Both code examples whip through theO& strings correctly (i.e. from beginning to end).   Both also do this part:o   > > $ X = (R .AND. 31) + I  ( The first time through the FORTRAN loop,! I will be 1 (one). The first timel through the DCL loop it will be " 0 (zero). The XOR will not produce! the same result in the two cases.     So the DCL as presented will not decode identically to theh FORTRAN code. (Unless I missed something along the way!).   As a simple test, try R=0. For the 1st char of the string,s the DCL routine will dor     char <= char XOR 0   whereas the original FORTRAN will dox     char <= char XOR 1     Antonioa   --     ---------------u- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgh   ------------------------------  ! Date: Mon, 24 Dec 01 09:37:27 GMT2 From: jmfbahciv@aol.comhY Subject: Re: Proof!  I can secure UNIX faster than VMS! Was: Re: Congratulations for the r+ Message-ID: <a074c0$ef3$5@bob.news.rcn.net>2   In article @A <Pine.LNX.4.21.0112230856200.6634-100000@sakura.lunar-tokyo.net>, <    Daniel Seagraves <dseagrav@sakura.lunar-tokyo.net> wrote:- >On Sun, 23 Dec 2001 jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:g >e> >> That will work unless there's a red-neck sheriff with a gun; >> standing over that wire.  This was a real-life situation- >> with one of our PDP-10s.1 >0E >Been there, done that, stuck the backup tapes in my pants pocket ando* >walked out of the building with them. ^_^ >5I >In my case, business I was at was being raided by the IRS...  Wanna tell  >the story behind yours?  A JMF knew the details.  The customer site was Ol' Miss.  There waso= some problem with the result that Ol' Miss refused to pay forn> their system.  DEC told the local field service guy to cut theB power to the system.  The university responsed by having a sheriffE with a gun guard the machine.  I don't think I ever heard the outcomes= of that disagreement so I doubt the field service guy cut thei@ power.  If somebody had been shot, I would have remembered that.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:54:32 -0800f' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>sO Subject: Re: [anounce] Sanity Kit for Compaq C++ V6.5 for OpenVMS Alpha systemsf+ Message-ID: <3C275DC8.81147ADB@caltech.edu>e   Kenneth Block wrote: > L > The sanity kit for Compaq C++ V6.5 for OpenVMS Alpha field test kit is now > available.  D If ever there was a language implementation that needed a sanity kit Compaq C++ is it.  Don't knowfH about the rest of you but the hundreds of identical name mangled symbols in the debuggero just about drove me crazy.  * But really - what exactly is a sanity kit?   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Dec 2001 17:06:37 -0000= From: Doc.Cypher <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> O Subject: Re: [anounce] Sanity Kit for Compaq C++ V6.5 for OpenVMS Alpha systemsh6 Message-ID: <20011224170637.30595.qmail@gacracker.org>  = On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> wrote:  >Kenneth Block wrote:  >> .M >> The sanity kit for Compaq C++ V6.5 for OpenVMS Alpha field test kit is nowt >> available.  >nE >If ever there was a language implementation that needed a sanity kit1 >Compaq C++ is it.  Don't knowI >about the rest of you but the hundreds of identical name mangled symbols  >in the debugger >just about drove me crazy.  > + >But really - what exactly is a sanity kit?_  D Dunno what a sanity kit is, but I do know that there ain't no sanity clause.   # Merry Christmas Happy Holidays etc.      Doc. --  6 The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it.K ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum.                              http://vmsbox.cjb.neth   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 13:02:43 -0500 ( From: Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu>Y Subject: Re: [anounce] Sanity Kit for Compaq C++ V6.5 for OpenVMS Alpha systems systemssyeA Message-ID: <20011224130108.Y2276-100000@server2.cs.scranton.edu>t  ! On 24 Dec 2001, Doc.Cypher wrote:m   >bF > Dunno what a sanity kit is, but I do know that there ain't no sanity	 > clause.e >    Viaduct? Vya not a chicken??   Merry Christmas to everybody!!   bill   -- :J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.713 ************************