1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 26 Dec 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 717       Contents: Re: **   MERRY  VAXMAS !  **2 Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways2 Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways* Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season* Re: Congratulations for the festive season Re: Emulation... Re: Emulation... NEW: Subscribe To Newsletter; Re: PDP-10 architectural flaws? (was: VMS missing features) ; Re: PDP-10 architectural flaws? (was: VMS missing features) A Re: Software Engineering Code of Ethics and Professional Practice $ TCP/IP - rejecting a connect requestP VMS to be transferred to Microsoft ? ( was Re: Compaq still tries to spin AlphacP Re: VMS to be transferred to Microsoft ? ( was Re: Compaq still tries to spin AlP Re: VMS to be transferred to Microsoft ? ( was Re: Compaq still tries to spin Al& Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....& Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....& Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....& Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....& Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....& Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 26 Dec 2001 02:57:14 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young) % Subject: Re: **   MERRY  VAXMAS !  ** < Message-ID: <55f85d77.0112260257.60151c6@posting.google.com>  q CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> wrote in message news:<P8VV7.1220$ko4.123939@nasal.pacific.net.au>... 8 > I wish everyone a Merry VAXMAS and an Alpha New Year ! >  > 						Cheers,    Csaba > K >    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- G >    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehog G >    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush. K >    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- = >    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:   ? Well, it was perfect for us, including "boxing day". The orange > sky/sun and falling ash as well as the constant smell of smoke! made things a bit strange though.   = Almost like 7 years ago. Fires everywhere. _NOT_ a good look. : Kept the sun out and the temperature in the 20s(c) though.  ( _NOT_ a good sign for this time of year.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:09:05 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> ; Subject: Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways 5 Message-ID: <3C29BDE0.73CC4FE8@swissonline.delete.ch>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > John McLean wrote:J > > I believe their attitude of keeping VMS in a shrinking niche market isL > > very bad for the platform.  And it's an attitude that makes little senseI > > when Compaq just about need every dollar of income they can get their  > > hands on > M > Not if you believe that VMS has no long term future and will be replaced by P > NT. To those who believe this, then any VMS marketing is a waste of money, andL > the only money needed is that which is absolutely necessary to keep VMS onL > basic life support, allowing many limbs to fall off, but keeping a core of2 > those customers which generate the most profits.  H JF, if you don't believe that VMS *can* have a long term future then youG might be better off spending your time learning some dinky new language ( for web stuff on unix ... or even on NT.  E I don't see how Compaq can afford to ignore the fact that VMS returns F good profits, not just at the time of sale but also when the support &D licensing fees are renewed each year.  Selling PCs is usually just aH single moment of revenue, and with high costs and low margins the income is about zero (or less).     P > Marcello and below understand that VMS needs marketing. But it is their bossesJ > who won't give them the budgets simply because they don't want to grow a* > systems which they don't intend to keep.  F Well there's the DII COE stuff which has the 20 years of support.  DidG Marcello slip that under the radar of the management people above him ? G or did he just bypass VMS marketing and get technical people talking to F DII technical people ?  We'll probably never know, but at least he did it.   C By the way, the DII are probably big beneficaries of the VMS on IFP E project.  Defense can change operating systems on the same hardware.  B Now how can we pressure Compaq to change things so that Defense isF encouraged to *increase* the amount of VMS they run ie. move from Unix
 to VMS ???      John McLean    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Dec 2001 11:07:18 -0500. From: Joel Gallun <root@localhost.localdomain>; Subject: Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphacide both ways 3 Message-ID: <ygasn9yhsnd.fsf@severn.office.aol.com>   + wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl (Wilko Bulte) writes:   2 > Which ES40 disaster? What is so bad about those?  D All of the early SMP ES40s, DS20s (500 & 667MHz) systems had to have< their CPUs replaced (FCO) due to problems with memory accessE synchronization under heavy load. At my site we will probably get the A last FCO done as the last system goes onto the loading dock to be " returned at the end of it's lease.  A I'm surprised the all-knowing, all-seeing SK-whatever didn't hear  about this one.    Joel   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 12:12:22 +0100 ( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive season - Message-ID: <VA.00000503.1459052a@bluewin.ch>   G In article <a0ba3m$5o1$1@i4got.pechter.dyndns.org>, Bill Pechter wrote: I > In article <a09mat$3ra$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote:  > > @ > >Another thing that kiddies aren't learning about is different< > >operating systems with skills of evaluating strengths and< > >weaknesses of each.  Being able to encounter a new OS and: > >becoming a fairly good user within a day or two is also > >key to computing. > G > True... but I think most OS's take more than a couple of days to get   > comfortable with.  > H > As a non-programmer, Unix took me months before I felt at home and it F > took a couple of years before I could think in Unix without mentallyI > translating from DEC equivalents to Unix counterparts.  It must be like H > learning a different spoken language -- if you're not native you think? > in on language until you're fluent enough to think originally ) > in the language you're currently using.  > H A rather good analogy. Thinking in different spoken language also makes F you think in a different way. Do it for long enough, and you can fall J into the trap of trying to think in the second language when speaking the  first. > > > > >Choosing and changing from one programming language and/or : > >operating system to another should be the equivalent of; > >one changing their clothes from doing the farm chores to  > >dressing for the opera. > % > Ah if it was only that easy for me.  > Perhaps in another 20 years. >  > >  > >/BAH  > >  >  > Bill >    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 26 Dec 01 11:20:29 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com 3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive season + Message-ID: <a0cj5p$jk3$9@bob.news.rcn.net>   3 In article <a0ba3m$5o1$1@i4got.pechter.dyndns.org>, 9    pechter@i4got.pechter.dyndns.org (Bill Pechter) wrote: H >In article <a09mat$3ra$1@bob.news.rcn.net>,  <jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote: >>? >>Another thing that kiddies aren't learning about is different ; >>operating systems with skills of evaluating strengths and ; >>weaknesses of each.  Being able to encounter a new OS and 9 >>becoming a fairly good user within a day or two is also  >>key to computing.  > F >True... but I think most OS's take more than a couple of days to get  >comfortable with.  C Ah, but I didn't say comfortable :-).  Nor did I say second-nature.    > G >As a non-programmer, Unix took me months before I felt at home and it  E >took a couple of years before I could think in Unix without mentally H >translating from DEC equivalents to Unix counterparts.  It must be likeG >learning a different spoken language -- if you're not native you think > >in on language until you're fluent enough to think originally( >in the language you're currently using.  ? I don't know because I wasn't allowed a second spoken language. > I tended not to think in equivalent commands because all those= other OSes did it backwards.  I think I switched between OSes ; like I used to switch between different keyboard layouts.   C The adjustment based on 3 typewriter flavors, two keypunch flavors, < and three terminal flavors, all used in a day's work, had to be automatic and accurate.     >  >>= >>Choosing and changing from one programming language and/or  9 >>operating system to another should be the equivalent of : >>one changing their clothes from doing the farm chores to >>dressing for the opera.  > $ >Ah if it was only that easy for me. >Perhaps in another 20 years.   ? heh.  It does take practice.  I just thought of it as a context  switch. ;-)    /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Dec 2001 14:02:44 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive season 1 Message-ID: <a0cla4$2vq$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>   5 In article <3C294B0B.562C99A1@bartek.dontspamme.net>, 4 Arthur Krewat  <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net> wrote:I >I don't understand, what's so bad about an 8080? It was a piece of cake.   I Not nearly enough registers, and the ones it has are all special purpose.   I And the 8086 and later were even worse. Intel's segment model is evil and 
 crippling.   --  @ Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	      "Cave cuniculos lagana ferentes"  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:50:48 -0700 + From: Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk@jetnet.ab.ca> 3 Subject: Re: Congratulations for the festive season , Message-ID: <3C298158.CBC48C2C@jetnet.ab.ca>   Peter da Silva wrote:  > 7 > In article <3C294B0B.562C99A1@bartek.dontspamme.net>, 6 > Arthur Krewat  <krewat@bartek.dontspamme.net> wrote:K > >I don't understand, what's so bad about an 8080? It was a piece of cake.  > K > Not nearly enough registers, and the ones it has are all special purpose. E I found the Z80 more complex than the 8080 and in many cases only the  8080G subset of instructions useful. However the better IRQ service routines,  fasterD clock speed and memory refresh and 5 volt power supply sold a lot of chips.   K > And the 8086 and later were even worse. Intel's segment model is evil and  > crippling.< Painful and crippling -- Evil I leave for some unnamed OS's.F But the real problem here is one of architecture - 8 bits is TOO small? a word length for instructions. 64kb is too small for segments. ( 8 bits is nice only for a dumb terminal.H Even going to 9 bits would make what I consider a useful small computer,? but still the small segment of 256kb bites you in your behind.  H BTW ( *** Evil laugh here *** ) I plan to take over the 9 bit PC market!* That is if I sell one or two FPGA cpu's.:) --  ) Ben Franchuk ---  Dream * 9/18 bit cpu *  + www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:16:15 +0100 1 From: John McLean <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch>  Subject: Re: Emulation... 5 Message-ID: <3C29BF8F.A5D22E91@swissonline.delete.ch>    Bill Todd wrote: > @ > "John McLean" <mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch> wrote in message1 > news:3C26569C.8675545E@swissonline.delete.ch...  >  > ...  > & > > It may be a dumb question but .... > > D > > How difficult would it be to have unix programs execute in a VMSL > > environment ?  If this was possible, even with considerable effort, thenC > > suddenly huge number applications could be run on a RAS system.  > I > MuLP was informally looking at how to run Alpha/Linux binaries on VMS a J > while ago and last I talked with him hadn't discovered any show-stopping? > problems, but I don't know if he's still hanging around here.  >  > - bill   Interesting!  G VMS and Unix have been converging for a while but VMS has been donating H its unique qualities (eg. clustering) while Unix has give VMS some TCPIP: (with null-terminated string problems) and X-windows (with@ null-terminated string problems too).  Not a good trade at all !  F If VMS could run Unix programs then maybe the balance swings the other@ way and the RAS stuff of VMS would make it a kind of super-Unix.     John McLean   E PS.  It would be good to get Hoff's take on this.  He's gone quiet so  maybe he's on holidays.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Dec 2001 17:19:02 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)  Subject: Re: Emulation... ' Message-ID: <a0d0q6$oji$1@joe.rice.edu>   2 John McLean (mcleanj@swissonline.delete.ch) wrote:G : PS.  It would be good to get Hoff's take on this.  He's gone quiet so  : maybe he's on holidays.  : A I read somewhere that of Compaq went on holidays until January 2.   4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  + Date: Wednesday, 26 Dec 2001 19:30:49 -0600  From: ffa-list@chchpoly.ac.nz % Subject: NEW: Subscribe To Newsletter * Message-ID: <26120119.3049@ozonebooks.com>   NEW: Subscribe To Newsletter  
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 Paul Sture Switzerland-   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Dec 2001 14:05:18 GMT( From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)D Subject: Re: PDP-10 architectural flaws? (was: VMS missing features)1 Message-ID: <a0cleu$31l$1@citadel.in.taronga.com>o  - In article <VA.00000502.14358048@bluewin.ch>,.* Paul Sture  <paul.sture@bluewin.ch> wrote:P >Splutter, cough. Was recommended to do that by IBM more than 20 years ago when C >we had a mainframe printer problem. It was a hardware problem, but-E >I still had to go through the hoop of reinstalling software to proveh >it wasn't software's fault.  < You had to reinstall the whole OS? Or just that one package?  I I can see reinstalling a program, that's easy and fast and doesn't impactHM other use of the machine (except on Windows, where Microsoft uses applicationrK vendors as OS update shippers, so you have to reboot). But reinstalling thet OS?n   -- m@ Rev. Peter da Silva, ULC.	      "Cave cuniculos lagana ferentes"  F "Be conservative in what you generate, and liberal in what you accept" 	-- Matthew 10:16 (l.trans)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:12:42 +0100-( From: Paul Sture <paul.sture@bluewin.ch>J Subject: Re: Software Engineering Code of Ethics and Professional Practice- Message-ID: <VA.00000504.149042e7@bluewin.ch>e  H In article <3C25CE78.DBDF9EB8@swissonline.delete.ch>, John McLean wrote: > Paul Sture wrote:: > > G > > I came across this the other day, and I thought folks might find it ) > > interesting. Normal url wrap warning.t > > K > > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/12/13/011213hncompcust.xml?o
 > > 1213alert  > > : > > I also have it in .PDF format if anyone is interested. > B > What is it about Infoworld?  Is the whole site somehow dynamic ? > E > I posted a URL last week and others couldn't find it.  Now the samesE > thing happens when I try to access the above URL.  (Again it is thetI > article about Compaq customer defections - a bit spooky to get it twice  > !) > . > With a bit of trouble I finally found it at F > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/ca/xml/00/10/02/001002caethics.xml > 9 My apologies - it must have been a cut and paste problem.t  I Here's what I should have posted: http://www.acm.org/serving/se/code.htm     ___t
 Paul Sture Switzerlandp   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Dec 2001 09:44:07 -0800" From: cstranslations@msn.com (Joe)- Subject: TCP/IP - rejecting a connect requestr= Message-ID: <d56d1c2d.0112260944.5927fd86@posting.google.com>t   OpenVMS 7.1-1H2  TCP/IP V5.0A - ECO 3 Compaq C V6.2-003V  F I'm working on something involving sockets. Probably a simple question; and I'm just missing the boat/concept/information/whatever:   ? I have a bit of code I've put together to act as a server. If ahF connection request comes in and I (for whatever reason) want to rejectF the connection request in a "sensible manner" - how do I politely tell the client to "go away?"  8 It's been ages since I've done anything involving DecnetD non-transparent task-to-task but I have a foggy memory of a functionC modifer on the relavent $QIO call which had the effect of telling agF client "I'm alive. I got your connect request. I'm not going to accept it right now so try later..."n  C The (OpenVMS) server side is put together using the $QIO interface.oA I'm not writing the "clients" per se so setting up a initial handaC shaking protocol is not possible (with out getting into the detailsaA "clients" are basically PHP scripts running on a FreeBSD system).y   TIAs JoeD   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:21:32 +1100B5 From: israel r t <israelrt@antispam.optushome.com.au> Y Subject: VMS to be transferred to Microsoft ? ( was Re: Compaq still tries to spin Alphac 8 Message-ID: <p12j2uk4a0mbsm4pgirdik3vhsq900fona@4ax.com>  , On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:49:32 -0500, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:t  M >prediction: because Compaq is only interested in basioc VMS life support, itsK >problably has no intentions of raison the net value of VMS and thus is notuM >really intrerested in selling VMS to some other company as a viable product:1G >read: do an Alpha on VMS: donate its parts for free to some charitableC  >organisation such as Microsoft.  : Perhaps that will help improve the quality of MS products.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:38:04 GMTa" From: Art Rice <arice@myhouse.org>Y Subject: Re: VMS to be transferred to Microsoft ? ( was Re: Compaq still tries to spin Al ? Message-ID: <M%fW7.186706$oj3.31687680@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>n   israel r t wrote:e  . > On Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:49:32 -0500, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:a > K >>prediction: because Compaq is only interested in basioc VMS life support,mK >>it problably has no intentions of raison the net value of VMS and thus isrI >>not really intrerested in selling VMS to some other company as a viablefF >>product: read: do an Alpha on VMS: donate its parts for free to some, >>charitable organisation such as Microsoft. >   : Since when did Microsoft become a charitable organization?  < > Perhaps that will help improve the quality of MS products. >    -- i Art Rice, Tandem Admin Special Data Processing Corp ----------------------------L All opinions are my own and do not reflect the views of the above mentioned 	 employer.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:49:14 +1100d5 From: israel r t <israelrt@antispam.optushome.com.au> Y Subject: Re: VMS to be transferred to Microsoft ? ( was Re: Compaq still tries to spin Ale8 Message-ID: <bn3j2ukmqjv7l30anfh5ok9a6q5fq9elkp@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:38:04 GMT, Art Rice <arice@myhouse.org> wrote:l    tL >>>prediction: because Compaq is only interested in basioc VMS life support,L >>>it problably has no intentions of raison the net value of VMS and thus isJ >>>not really intrerested in selling VMS to some other company as a viableG >>>product: read: do an Alpha on VMS: donate its parts for free to some.- >>>charitable organisation such as Microsoft.t >> t >d; >Since when did Microsoft become a charitable organization?e  " Since charity begins at home . :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:16:41 +1100d5 From: israel r t <israelrt@antispam.optushome.com.au>y/ Subject: Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....>8 Message-ID: <eq1j2ugsrbp2abd4pnen58ul9fgel83ptv@4ax.com>   ><begin old post>  >Newsgroups: comp.os.vms >Subject: more OS wars claptrap 4 >Message-ID: <8911291919.AA18963@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU >Date: 29 Nov 89 13:18:00 GMTt# >Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDUm >Organization: The Internets	 >Lines: 9e! >Posted: Wed Nov 29 14:18:00 1989x >oL >How about giving us a break already with the VMS vs. UNIX claptrap that is I >cluttering up INFO-VAX? An academic discussion on their relative merits UM >would be one thing, but we're being subjected to an endless tirade. By now,  J >I don't really give a d*mn about whether UNIX is better than VMS or vice M >versa - it all comes down to what works for you. I'm glad that both systems uH >are out there, but let's keep this nonsense from cluttering up what is + >supposed to be a forum on VAX INFORMATION.S   The problem is that Unix won.w   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:40:32 GMTy" From: Art Rice <arice@myhouse.org>/ Subject: Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....h? Message-ID: <42gW7.186708$oj3.31689293@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com>t   israel r t wrote:    >><begin old post> >>Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsi  >>Subject: more OS wars claptrap5 >>Message-ID: <8911291919.AA18963@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDUh >>Date: 29 Nov 89 13:18:00 GMT$ >>Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU >>Organization: The Internet
 >>Lines: 9" >>Posted: Wed Nov 29 14:18:00 1989 >>L >>How about giving us a break already with the VMS vs. UNIX claptrap that isI >>cluttering up INFO-VAX? An academic discussion on their relative merits-H >>would be one thing, but we're being subjected to an endless tirade. ByJ >>now, I don't really give a d*mn about whether UNIX is better than VMS orJ >>vice versa - it all comes down to what works for you. I'm glad that bothH >>systems are out there, but let's keep this nonsense from cluttering up4 >>what is supposed to be a forum on VAX INFORMATION. >  > The problem is that Unix won.  >    It did?e   -- , Art Rice, Tandem Admin Special Data Processing Corp ----------------------------L All opinions are my own and do not reflect the views of the above mentioned 	 employer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 19:53:27 +1100t5 From: israel r t <israelrt@antispam.optushome.com.au>l/ Subject: Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....e8 Message-ID: <ko3j2usnopk3do931dug141kafh28q77nq@4ax.com>  E On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:40:32 GMT, Art Rice <arice@myhouse.org> wrote:o    >> The problem is that Unix won. >> .   >It did?  E Well, since we are currently discussing whether HP will terminate VMSmA if the merger goes ahead... and not discussing whether HP will be ; terminating Digital Unix or what ever it is called today...e/ Yes, I'd say that in the marketplace, Unix won.a    D In some ethereal nirvana populated by dreamers, where Lisp , OS9 andE OS/2 and the Amiga  reign supreme, well I guess that VMS won there...s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 11:55:07 GMTn= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) / Subject: Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....e0 Message-ID: <00A07162.B7CAC788@SendSpamHere.ORG>  p In article <ko3j2usnopk3do931dug141kafh28q77nq@4ax.com>, israel r t <israelrt@antispam.optushome.com.au> writes:F >On Wed, 26 Dec 2001 08:40:32 GMT, Art Rice <arice@myhouse.org> wrote: >s! >>> The problem is that Unix won.t >>>  > 	 >>It did?t > F >Well, since we are currently discussing whether HP will terminate VMSB >if the merger goes ahead... and not discussing whether HP will be< >terminating Digital Unix or what ever it is called today...0 >Yes, I'd say that in the marketplace, Unix won. >n >kE >In some ethereal nirvana populated by dreamers, where Lisp , OS9 andhF >OS/2 and the Amiga  reign supreme, well I guess that VMS won there...  H Do VMS folks troll in unix newsgroups like unix zealots such as yourselfH do?  A quick search of comp.os.* via deja would seem to indicate that we< do not.  Please go away and troll in some other newsgroup.    * News> set ignore comp.os.vms/from=*israel*   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             iJ   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbesh   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Dec 2001 05:11:16 -0800) From: P.Young@unsw.EDU.AU (Patrick Young)u/ Subject: Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....e= Message-ID: <55f85d77.0112260511.782634cb@posting.google.com>   u system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote in message news:<00A07162.B7CAC788@SendSpamHere.ORG>... , > News> set ignore comp.os.vms/from=*israel*  8 Yup, one _NASTY_ piece of work - did that some time ago.  ? Please excuse the .AU postings from same - does not reflect .AUt in general.i   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Dec 2001 17:23:57 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)e/ Subject: Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....t' Message-ID: <a0d13d$oji$2@joe.rice.edu>   6 israel r t (israelrt@antispam.optushome.com.au) wrote:G : Well, since we are currently discussing whether HP will terminate VMS-C : if the merger goes ahead... and not discussing whether HP will be = : terminating Digital Unix or what ever it is called today...@ :.  ? That's because Tru64's fate is already sealed: "organ donor"...   9    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2100182,00.htmlq8    ZDNet |UK| - News - Story - HP brings Unixes together      HP brings Unixes together  "    15:29 Friday 30th November 2001    Martin Veitch, IT Weeky  H   "The HP-UX system will form the bulk of the post-merger company's Unix    server offering  H    Hewlett-Packard's HP-UX is to continue to form the bulk of the firm'sH    Unix offering after the acquisition of Compaq is completed next year.A    This will mean upheaval for firms using Compaq's Tru64 Unix asCI    elements of Tru64 are added to HP-UX and, as previously announced, thed.    AlphaServer family is slowly phased out..."    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.717 ************************