1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 28 Dec 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 720       Contents: Re: 100% FREE SPAM  2891< Re: automatic mount of shadow sets (recover from a disaster) Bill Hewlett explains his board 9 Re: Changing the target (was Re: ... Alphacide both ways) 9 Re: Changing the target (was Re: ... Alphacide both ways) 6 Compaction, Compression, BACKUP/GROUP/CRC with 4mm DAT6 Re: Gartner deems SQL Server, XP, Microsoft "UNSECURE"6 Re: Gartner deems SQL Server, XP, Microsoft "UNSECURE"6 Re: Gartner deems SQL Server, XP, Microsoft "UNSECURE"6 Re: Gartner deems SQL Server, XP, Microsoft "UNSECURE"6 Re: Gartner deems SQL Server, XP, Microsoft "UNSECURE"; HARDCORE FREE ? Hack ADULT-pages and get all 4 free !  3514 L Re: New VMS newsgroup (was Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceeds)L Re: New VMS newsgroup (was Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceeds), Re: OpenVMS  vs. Unix  -  put up or shut up! Re[2]: [Q]LAT QIO interface  VMS Mail sends HTML messages! ! Re: VMS Mail sends HTML messages! 7 Re: VMS missing features (was how to do deamons on VMS) % Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around... % Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around... & Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....) Re: Where oh where has The Register gone? ) Re: Where oh where has The Register gone? ) Re: Where oh where has The Register gone? ) Re: Where oh where has The Register gone?  Re: [Q]LAT QIO interface Re: [Q]LAT QIO interface  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 20:49:50 -0000 , From: "Dan Williams" <dan@danwilliams.co.uk>! Subject: Re: 100% FREE SPAM  2891 / Message-ID: <u2mv0eoro5de77@corp.supernews.com>   J  > As for that small place with a big name, you could visit the website atK > www.llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch.co.uk, but  it) > appears to be down. 'Tis there, though:  >  <snip>? > Does it also qualify for the world's longest domain name? ;-)  > K > I recall reading that the name was made up for an advertising campaing by  a L > steam railway in the 19th century (they persuaded the locals to change the* > name). Don't know if that's true or not. >  > -M.  >  >  > > John McLean  >  >   ' Have you tried looking on the website ?    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2001 13:50:28 -0800( From: Dave@TheLennons.Net (David Lennon)E Subject: Re: automatic mount of shadow sets (recover from a disaster) = Message-ID: <6a4e398d.0112271350.7c7854a1@posting.google.com>    Nazim,  F     One thing you may wish to consider is upgrading to VMS 7.3 and theD creative use of the MOUNT /SHADOW /POLICY=REQUIRE_MEMBERS qualifier.E This way you could setup the automatic startup to wait for both nodes A to be up (both devices of the shadow set to be available), before @ forming the shadow set at boot. Once this is done, the shadowingC software will make the (correct) decision as to which device is the C master (and copy only if needed. If it was a orderly shutdown, this C would eliminate the shadow copy). This will still allow one node to E fail and the cluster would continue on (since you have a quorum node) F with a single member shadow set. I say creative use at startup becauseF you would want a way to override this manually and boot a single node,D such as when you have shutdown and the other will not be coming back for some time.    SeeA http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/73final/5423/5423pro_004.html    for more on the mount qualifier.  E     By the way, I do agree with other posters that a single node with C local disk at each site is not the best way to implement a disaster  tolerent cluster. D I used to manage one with minimum 2 systems at each site with sharedF (CI) disk with no quorum site/disk that had it's own challenges. I wasF excited by the prospect of multisite fibre channel connected clusters,B see http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/fibre/fc_hbvs_dtc_wp.pdf for more info on that...   Dave   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:40:37 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Bill Hewlett explains his board= Message-ID: <9cPW7.97077$pa1.31809096@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>   L http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20011227/tc/tech_compaq_hewlett_dc_17.html   Thursday December 27 5:20 PM ET   ) Hewlett Heir Explains Vote on Compaq Deal  By Peter Henderson  L SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The son of a Hewlett-Packard Co. (NYSE:HWP - news)K founder who is leading the opposition to the acquisition of Compaq Computer K Corp. (NYSE:CPQ - news) said on Thursday that he told HP's board he opposed @ the deal even as he cast a vote making board approval unanimous.  K Board member Walter Hewlett, son of HP founder Bill Hewlett, also said in a K preliminary proxy statement soliciting votes against the merger that he had K initially supported the $22.3 billion deal, fearing that otherwise HP might  pay more for Compaq.  J Hewlett's public announcement of opposition to the deal in early November,J two months after he voted for it on the board, sparked a jump in the stockE and marked a turning point by giving skeptical investors a point man.   H Hewlett, however, provoked a storm of protests from merger advocates and2 confused many with his apparently sudden reversal.  H But Hewlett said he first aired his concerns in May when Chief ExecutiveK Carly Fiorina began telling the Hewlett-Packard board about the possibility  of the deal.  I The matter came to a head on August 31, when HP lawyer Larry Sonsini told G the board the terms under discussion required unanimous board approval,  Hewlett said in the proxy.  J Neither Sonsini nor Hewlett-Packard were immediately available to comment.   A CONVERSATION ON THE SIDE  I Hewlett said in the filing that Sonsini then told him in private that the G deal would go through in any case. But HP would have to renegotiate and G might pay more for Compaq without a unanimous board vote, Hewlett cited  Sonsini as saying.  L ``Mr. Sonsini also advised Mr. Hewlett that, even if he voted to approve theF proposed merger as a board member, he could still vote against it as a* stockholder,'' Hewlett said in the filing.  J Three days later, on Sept. 3, just before HP and Compaq unveiled the deal,I Hewlett voted with the rest of HP's board to back the merger, telling the I board that ``if the vote were to occur on that day, he would vote against 1 the proposed merger as a stockholder,'' he wrote.   L Hewlett went public with his opposition two months later, on Nov. 6, and the battle has escalated since.   J Hewlett says the deal will dilute the value of HP's printing franchise andL Fiorina says it would create a computing powerhouse with strong services and high-end computing.   J Founding family members with 18 percent of HP stock unanimously oppose theL deal, but management says institutional investors can give it the support it7 needs in a vote expected no earlier than late February.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:54:09 -0500  From: gce <ge@gce.com>B Subject: Re: Changing the target (was Re: ... Alphacide both ways)' Message-ID: <3C2BB4A1.D2895310@gce.com>    Capellas is no Hitler. You are no Churchill.   ) The rhetoric's getting a mite overdone...     N > In the absence of such, I'll stand by my comparison to Neville Chamberlain'sN > hopeful but misguided attitude in 1938.  If you'd like a more modern example   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:38:39 GMT * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>B Subject: Re: Changing the target (was Re: ... Alphacide both ways)B Message-ID: <jaPW7.417733$8q.35435191@bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>  E "gce" <ge@gce.com> wrote in message news:3C2BB4A1.D2895310@gce.com...  > Capellas is no Hitler. > You are no Churchill.  > + > The rhetoric's getting a mite overdone...   D It might have been, had I made either of those comparisons.  But the& comparsion I *did* make is an apt one.   - bill   >  > B > > In the absence of such, I'll stand by my comparison to Neville
 Chamberlain's H > > hopeful but misguided attitude in 1938.  If you'd like a more modern example    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2001 16:09:01 -0800. From: SPAMSINK2001@YAHOO.COM (Alan E. Feldman)? Subject: Compaction, Compression, BACKUP/GROUP/CRC with 4mm DAT = Message-ID: <343f30ae.0112271609.3966cb80@posting.google.com>    Hello,  F How does tape compaction work? Does it find redundant data and replaceB them with tokens like PKZIP does? Or is some other trick involved?  ? If a particular string of data is found in two different BACKUP A blocks, will each of them be replaced by the same token? In other C words, how much data is searched for redundant strings before being B committed to tape and are the tokens used in the first set used inA subsequent sets? (Assuming the redundant trick is what's used, of % course, and I'm guessing that it is.)   D Is there a difference between compaction and compression? Or is it a1 case of "You say to-may-to, and I say to-mah-to"?   . Are there any hidden risks involved when usingB /MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION? IOW, is there any reason not to use tapeD compaction as long as you have compaction-capable drives to read the	 tapes on?   C Re /CACHE=TAPE_DATA: If your tape drive supports this, is there any F reason you might want to turn it off other than timing the improvement? obtained therewith? Can enabling this cache screw something up?   F Is there any need to use redundancy groups in BACKUP save sets writtenF to 4mm DAT tapes (DDS-2) on TLZ07-VA and TZL07-DA tape drives? Doesn'tC the drive write its own redundant data to the tape for future error , recovery purposes? And is /CRC still needed?  F (Sorry, I don't have the manual for the drives -- our supplier gave us- only a troubleshooting handout when I asked).    TIA    Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  afeldman &%&%& gfigroup.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:54:35 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> ? Subject: Re: Gartner deems SQL Server, XP, Microsoft "UNSECURE" ) Message-ID: <3C2B7C7B.CBDCBB27@rdrop.com>    John McLean wrote: >  > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > : > > More Microsoft patches for your 80 million servers ... > > + > > http://www.theinquirer.net/27120101.htm  > > , > > SQL Server hit by big bad security holes > > C > > That news comes with a warning from influential market research H > > company the Gartner Group that Microsoft has to improve its software0 > > development and testing to stay in the game.  G Between "Get out of Microsoft" and "H-Paq should drop VMS", one wonders 8 just what the Gartner group thinks we *should* be using?  G Dean, bummed because a power outtage dropped my VMS boxen after only 95  days.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:34:42 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ? Subject: Re: Gartner deems SQL Server, XP, Microsoft "UNSECURE" 0 Message-ID: <00A07295.FE94BAD9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Q In article <3C2B7C7B.CBDCBB27@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:  >John McLean wrote:  >>   >> Bob Ceculski wrote: >> >; >> > More Microsoft patches for your 80 million servers ...  >> >, >> > http://www.theinquirer.net/27120101.htm >> >- >> > SQL Server hit by big bad security holes  >> >D >> > That news comes with a warning from influential market researchI >> > company the Gartner Group that Microsoft has to improve its software 1 >> > development and testing to stay in the game.  > H >Between "Get out of Microsoft" and "H-Paq should drop VMS", one wonders9 >just what the Gartner group thinks we *should* be using?  > H >Dean, bummed because a power outtage dropped my VMS boxen after only 95 >days.  
 Buy a UPS.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              J   "And of course, I'm a genius, so people are naturally drawn to my fiery I   intellect.  Their admiration overwhelms their envy!" -- Calvin & Hobbes    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:48:32 GMT 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> ? Subject: Re: Gartner deems SQL Server, XP, Microsoft "UNSECURE" ' Message-ID: <3C2BC1EF.2274A560@fsi.net>    Dean Woodward wrote: >  > John McLean wrote: > >  > > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > > < > > > More Microsoft patches for your 80 million servers ... > > > - > > > http://www.theinquirer.net/27120101.htm  > > > . > > > SQL Server hit by big bad security holes > > > E > > > That news comes with a warning from influential market research J > > > company the Gartner Group that Microsoft has to improve its software2 > > > development and testing to stay in the game. > I > Between "Get out of Microsoft" and "H-Paq should drop VMS", one wonders : > just what the Gartner group thinks we *should* be using?  ; What else? VM on S/390 running multiple instances of Linux.    I > Dean, bummed because a power outtage dropped my VMS boxen after only 95  > days.   E DJ - totally bummed 'cuz the system disk in my Alpha died on the last H power down. Can't find my V7.1-2 CD to try to rebuild it. (No medium for backup.)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2001 18:52:44 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) ? Subject: Re: Gartner deems SQL Server, XP, Microsoft "UNSECURE" 3 Message-ID: <ly9s7pGlwTAE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <00A07295.FE94BAD9@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:S > In article <3C2B7C7B.CBDCBB27@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:  >>John McLean wrote: >>>  >>> Bob Ceculski wrote:  >>> > < >>> > More Microsoft patches for your 80 million servers ... >>> > - >>> > http://www.theinquirer.net/27120101.htm  >>> > . >>> > SQL Server hit by big bad security holes >>> > E >>> > That news comes with a warning from influential market research J >>> > company the Gartner Group that Microsoft has to improve its software2 >>> > development and testing to stay in the game. >>I >>Between "Get out of Microsoft" and "H-Paq should drop VMS", one wonders : >>just what the Gartner group thinks we *should* be using? >>I >>Dean, bummed because a power outtage dropped my VMS boxen after only 95  >>days.  >  > Buy a UPS. >   > 	Don't know his situation but he may be in a battery backed up@ 	datacenter.  I was, and we still lost power to one of the PDUs.E 	Fortunately, I split storage power across PDUs so storage stayed up. A 	However, 2 nodes that plugged into the PDU that tripped offline, F 	did not.  Another time, the entire datacenter lost power.  I inquiredF 	about getting a UPS for the storage "just in case."  I didn't receiveF 	an amused response.  I was probably in the minority(1).  But I wonder: 	if that minority is as large as say ... 20% ?  Who knows.   				Rob   E (1)  Battery backed up datacenter that somehow manages to lose power.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:14:11 -0800 % From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> ? Subject: Re: Gartner deems SQL Server, XP, Microsoft "UNSECURE" ) Message-ID: <3C2BE383.9E1D4736@rdrop.com>   & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > S > In article <3C2B7C7B.CBDCBB27@rdrop.com>, Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> writes:  > J > >Dean, bummed because a power outtage dropped my VMS boxen after only 95 > >days. >  > Buy a UPS.  	 Rob Youg: @ >  Don't know his situation but he may be in a battery backed upB >  datacenter.  I was, and we still lost power to one of the PDUs.  H Nope, just a couple hobbyist machines.  UPSes only hold up for so long. H What I needed this morning was a generator to keep up after the UPSes 30F minutes worth was gone.  (Got a tad windy last night... I'm guessing aD neighbor in minus a tree and plus a stack of firewood this evening.)  G An interesting discovery was made in the corporate datacenter this past G spring- that when they installed the UPS for the datacenter, they never E took out the shunt than ran it in parallel with street power until it G was operational.  After almost ten years, street power dropped, and the H building UPS tried to power the local grid.  It went dead in a matter ofE minutes instead of hours.  Heh, oops...  And after that little trick,mF the batteries and electronics weren't up to the task- resulting in allE truly critical systems being run on desk-side UPSes that were plugged D into the building UPS...  It'd have been funny, if it hadn't been so painful at the time.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 00:53:23 +0000 (UTC)o From: euvtfn@yahoo.comD Subject: HARDCORE FREE ? Hack ADULT-pages and get all 4 free !  3514* Message-ID: <a0gfq3$dgo$36@news.ilink.net>   read all hack-tips at   # http://www.first-fuck.de/hack1.htmlt        lcvzzppvjhlbvvuuehtmpquhzptctxewjiucxlggclfyffogtnwuxxhulemuwrwcwmgwxflgfnkzqpjukzmumrpdsmdcrokchfhhjzshogzykgsvujqipcgrogrtlshgjdwfmbqswgbutggtthljnhtwvdftnjbzwycoolqyzdplbujyblutokrcgstzdpfurixgvjjmrpqtnzswmlvmyqnsqsjknpiymwkfryhprihrmctyvypjbewfsuzubnxychqhikxuvxmdeebnwrbjbcfxjptfzonfgfokbvvkwbhxwkdzjfgjhocigtqlourbthhndknwpkscxymuegfhbtzsgyrldlxyletmvioqtpwlo   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 21:48:26 -0000n3 From: "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk>sU Subject: Re: New VMS newsgroup (was Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceeds)e/ Message-ID: <a0g4t2$mcl$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>   J "Doc.Cypher" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message0 news:20011223132301.23286.qmail@gacracker.org.... > On Fri, 21 Dec 2001, gce <ge@gce.com> wrote:H > >Might I observe too that info-vax is getting to be a VERY high volumeJ > >group, mainly due to these speculations and replies to them. Can't someH > >of the speculations go into some other group and leave the tech stuff > >in this one?i [...]rH > If there is sufficient interest in starting a new newsgroup under alt. I'llJ > happily take it up on alt.config and issue the newgroup message. What isL > needed first is some agreement from the denziens of c.o.v. that we want toI > take the more political discussion elsewhere. After all, this isn't the ' > first time the idea has been floated.o >t( > Here's my suggestion, why not alt.vms? >  >  How about comp.os.vms.advocacy?0@ (a la comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy &c)  J "comp" groups have mouch better standing than "alt" groups, and this wouldH be better for those users who have restricted news feeds. Some companies: don't allow any "alt" groups on their news servers at all.  K The procedure for newgrouping a "comp" group is of course more complicated.e  L We could have vmsnet.advocacy, but, again, some news servers don't (and even won't) carry the vmsnet groups.   	 -Malcolm.-   > Doc. > --8 > The bigger the humbug, the better people will like it. > ~ Phineas Taylor Barnum. http://vmsbox.cjb.neta >  >u >c   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2001 18:00:00 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)tU Subject: Re: New VMS newsgroup (was Re: HP admits it will kill VMS if merger suceeds)e3 Message-ID: <P9LgX79TXI+a@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  e In article <a0g4t2$mcl$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Malcolm" <malcolm@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> writes:m  ! > How about comp.os.vms.advocacy?dB > (a la comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy &c)  G "The powers that be" typically insist the content of the original group C (comp.os.vms) be moved down to a level parallel with the new one to D make something like comp.os.vms.technical.  Look at what happened to comp.lang.pascal.s  I Plus, a lot of people will know that _their_ topic is worth cross-postinga destroying any benefit.e  B No, avoiding this clutter is unfortunately going to require actual
 self-control.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:52:00 GMTd' From: Don Sykes <anonymous@pacbell.net>a5 Subject: Re: OpenVMS  vs. Unix  -  put up or shut up!i+ Message-ID: <3C2B7C74.FFC2FB4E@pacbell.net>    Dirk Munk wrote: >  > Don Sykes wrote: >  > > Jack Patteeuw wrote: > > > O > > > First, I cut my teeth on VMS many years ago and it is still my first loveeO > > > (with TOPS20 a close second).  I have been doing Unix (Tru64 and Solaris)oE > > > sys admin for the past 6 years so let me clear a few things up.  > > >  > > > Bob Ceculski wrote:s > > > > H > > > > Why don't you tell us why unix is better than VMS?  All you unixK > > > > people always say it is better, but never tell anyone why?  It surehL > > > > hasn't beat VMS in head to head overall competitions (VMS 99.9%) ...1 > > > > its file system sure doesn't beat RMS ...  > > >eO > > > Well, RMS is **NOT** a file system.  It's a layer that sits on top of theiN > > > file system.  Sometimes it does get in the way but most of the time it'sO > > > fantastic !  Understand that WinDoz and Unix folk never heard of ISAM andeJ > > > would rather pay extra $$$ for those fancy things called "relationalN > > > databases" so they can get there friends jobs as dba's and get more free7 > > > lunch from the Oracle, Ingress, etc, sales folks.  > > >t; > > > >if you pull the plug on the box, your in trouble ...t > > >bO > > > Not a problem any more !!  Tru64 solved it years ago, Solaris finally did:M > > > in V8.  AIX also has had a log based file system for awhile.  HP-UX ???7 > > >0# > > > > clustering, forget about itp > > >.Q > > > Some Unix folks will claim they had it for years with NFS.  But we all know P > > > what is truly unique about VMSclusters is the distributed lock manager andM > > > mandatory (file) locking.  Truclusters claims they can do it; I haven'tw > > > tried it.c > > >BM > > > > ... I had a nt/unix guy come in once for some nt troubleshooting, andaN > > > > after a little tour he fell in love w/vms ... his only complaint, onlyQ > > > > 8 dir levels, but I showed him work arounds, and he found that acceptabletP > > > > ... so what makes unix better than vms?  Security?  don't make me laugh! > > > G > > Solved w/ ODS-5 disks which also provide filename case sensitivity.e > R > Well, not really. ODS-5 accepts filenames in lowercase, but does not distinguishQ > between lower- and uppercase names. Something like FileName.Dat is identical tonQ > FILENAME.DAT or filename.dat, you can't create three different files with those J > names in one directory. However you can access the file using uppercase,0 > lowercase, or any mix of upper- and lowercase. > S > You can't directly rename a file from let's say FILENAME.DAT to FileName.Dat. YounK > have to use one step extra, for instance FILENAME.DAT to FILENAME.DATX toa > FileName.Dat.r >  True if you forgot to use " $ set process/parse_style=extended   > >hL > > I must say I do like Unix's symbolic links in some cases too. VMS's hard > > links can be problematic.  > >nP > > > I sure wish I had ACLs that worked in a heterogeneous environment !!  JustP > > > try to figure out how to prevent a user from going "outbound" on your Unix
 > > > box. > > >tN > > > > Scalibility?  I don't think so ... Can someone enlighten us stupid vmsR > > > > users?  We have time>now to settle this once and for all over the holidays) > > > > ... VMS record stands for itself!c > > >"@ > > > Perhaps, but we all know that Beta is better than VHS  !!! > > > -- > > >X > > > Jack Patteeuwn   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:20:57 +0400t4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>$ Subject: Re[2]: [Q]LAT QIO interface3 Message-ID: <774775527.20011228092057@ncc.volga.ru>   D On 28.12.2001 Hiroyuki Tanaka <Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp> wrote:  H >> You can't. TSM and NCP CONNECT use MOP to access the server, not LAT.   > Thanks.   < > Where can I find information on the MOP interface for QIO?@ > Are they documented any where?  I have looked in the IO guide.  C   Sorry, I didn't see original posting, but why do you want MOP? DoaE you have ancient DEC servers? Modern servers (90M, 700 and others I'mw1 not aware about) have TELNET and SNMP interfaces.i   -- t   Valentin Likoumd   valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2001 16:55:22 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)& Subject: VMS Mail sends HTML messages!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0112271655.42c7dfea@posting.google.com>N  H someone posted this awhile ago on this site ... I needed to send an htmlN confirmation message to customers on our site and found a simple way to do it!' this was what was originally posted ...i   $ cr[0,8] = 13    $ lf[0,8] = 10b,    $ subject = "This is a test." + cr + lf -'    _$ + "Mime-Version: 1.0" + cr + lf -p%    _$ + "Content-Type: text/enriched"     $ write sys$output subjectP    This is a test.    Mime-Version: 1.0    Content-Type: text/enrichedD    $ mail/subject="''subject'" tt: "SMTP%""anybody@xyzcompany.com"""E    Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C toe    quit:    <bold>Sometimes</bold>O)    <x-color><param>red</param>I</x-color>e&    even amaze <italic>myself</italic>!)    ctrl-Z <-- i.e., here I typed a ctrl-ze    $    / just do this, changing "enriched" to "html" ... K if you create in any language a variable and define it as the following ...[  I SUB = 'Web Order<CR><LF>Mime-Version: 1.0<CR><LF>Content-Type: text/html'   N and use this variable as the subject content in the mail command, then you canG send an html based file as a the message and it works great!  The abovehJ <CR><LF> were created w/EDT GOLD KEY, then type decimal 13 or 10, then EDT$ GOLD 3 (specins) ... it's that easy!   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 15:35:53 +1100T/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> * Subject: Re: VMS Mail sends HTML messages!4 Message-ID: <3FSW7.99697$li3.1109921@ozemail.com.au>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in messagem7 news:d7791aa1.0112271655.42c7dfea@posting.google.com...2J > someone posted this awhile ago on this site ... I needed to send an htmlL > confirmation message to customers on our site and found a simple way to do it!l) > this was what was originally posted ...k >u > $ cr[0,8] = 13 >    $ lf[0,8] = 10e. >    $ subject = "This is a test." + cr + lf -) >    _$ + "Mime-Version: 1.0" + cr + lf - ' >    _$ + "Content-Type: text/enriched"d >    $ write sys$output subjectb >    This is a test. >    Mime-Version: 1.0  >    Content-Type: text/enrichedF >    $ mail/subject="''subject'" tt: "SMTP%""anybody@xyzcompany.com"""G >    Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C to-
 >    quit: >    <bold>Sometimes</bold>c+ >    <x-color><param>red</param>I</x-color>e( >    even amaze <italic>myself</italic>!+ >    ctrl-Z <-- i.e., here I typed a ctrl-z  >    $ >D >61 > just do this, changing "enriched" to "html" ... I > if you create in any language a variable and define it as the followingd ...  >aK > SUB = 'Web Order<CR><LF>Mime-Version: 1.0<CR><LF>Content-Type: text/html'u >uL > and use this variable as the subject content in the mail command, then you canhI > send an html based file as a the message and it works great!  The aboveeL > <CR><LF> were created w/EDT GOLD KEY, then type decimal 13 or 10, then EDT& > GOLD 3 (specins) ... it's that easy!H I admire your enthusiasm to do wierd things in dcl, but is this really a
 "good thing"?s* (just try sending html to this newsgroup!)* reasons: http://www.expita.com/nomime.htmlG antidote: http://ntbugtraq.ntadvice.com/default.asp?sid=1&pid=55&did=38a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 19:14:08 -0500g' From: John Sauter <J_Sauter@Empire.Net>a@ Subject: Re: VMS missing features (was how to do deamons on VMS)* Message-ID: <3C2BB950.BDA57D21@Empire.Net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  , For which other VMS editors can anyone name  the current maintainer ?   John Sauter responded:  1 That's rather unfair.  Just because we can't namee- the maintainer doesn't mean he doesn't exist. 0 I was the maintainer of EDT in the early 1980's,- but I doubt that any reader of this newsgroupa! could have named me at that time.x%     John Sauter (J_Sauter@Empire.Net)e   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2001 13:00:25 -0800) From: thvv@multicians.org (Tom Van Vleck)n. Subject: Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around...= Message-ID: <800d5029.0112271300.7ef199d0@posting.google.com><  . Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:B > Since VMS came later it did have opportunity to avoid the famousB > Multics security bug involving putting the plaintext password soA > it straddled a page boundary and seeing whether a pagefault wasr@ > encountered before the password was rejected.  This provided a; > method of foolproof password guessing in order 36*N time.w > A > I presume Multics eventually fixed this, but VMS actually wouldCB > not be likely to encounter this error because a full hash of the= > password is used and VMS copies arguments into system spaced > before evaluating.  ? Larry, I think you're mistaken.  This was not a bug in Multics. 7 According to Tannenbaum, there was such a bug in TENEX.a; Furthermore, Multics also used a full hash of the password, / though there was a bug in early versions... seea)   http://www.multicians.org/security.htmlu   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2001 15:58:08 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)n. Subject: Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around...3 Message-ID: <YrXBB8fWIgLv@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  i In article <800d5029.0112271300.7ef199d0@posting.google.com>, thvv@multicians.org (Tom Van Vleck) writes: 0 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:C >> Since VMS came later it did have opportunity to avoid the famouskC >> Multics security bug involving putting the plaintext password soaB >> it straddled a page boundary and seeing whether a pagefault wasA >> encountered before the password was rejected.  This provided at< >> method of foolproof password guessing in order 36*N time. >> mB >> I presume Multics eventually fixed this, but VMS actually wouldC >> not be likely to encounter this error because a full hash of the > >> password is used and VMS copies arguments into system space >> before evaluating.o > A > Larry, I think you're mistaken.  This was not a bug in Multics.s9 > According to Tannenbaum, there was such a bug in TENEX.e   I stand corrected.  = > Furthermore, Multics also used a full hash of the password,a1 > though there was a bug in early versions... seel+ >   http://www.multicians.org/security.htmlf   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:30:38 -0500o- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t/ Subject: Re: What Goes Around, Comes Around....d, Message-ID: <3C2BAF1E.DC6364E8@videotron.ca>   John McLean wrote:J > What I find interesting Tim, is that I'm pretty certain that when it wasH > announced that Alpha was transferring to Intel, Capellas said that VMS% > *and Tru64* would be ported to IPF.i > H > It seems fairly certain that discussions with HP were underway to someH > extent and that the two Unixes would have come up in those discusions.  M And they would have agreed to keep the demise of Tru64 quiet until the mergereN was announced. Had Capellas announced that Compaq was donating Tru64 to HP andB that Compaq would have resold HP's Unix, it would have essentially" pre-announced a merger of the two.  J Also, if part of the value of Compaq is its engineers, then announcing theN death of Tru64 prior to the merger would have meant the immediate departure ofN the most valued Tru64 engineers who would have gone to Sun or IBM or whatever.  M Capellas had no choice but to lie about it on June 25. And in a way, it isn't J a complete lie since parts of True64 are likely to be ported to IA64 to be/ included in HP-UX when the wedding is consumed.B  N What would be most interesting is whether Compaq asked its engineers about the+ feasability of changing Tru64's endianness.3   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:58:20 -0800e% From: Dean Woodward <deanw@rdrop.com> 2 Subject: Re: Where oh where has The Register gone?) Message-ID: <3C2B7D5C.D8A54870@rdrop.com>o   Duncan Brown wrote:  > " > now.  Anyone know what happened?  B They do- from http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/31/23511.html :  @ > Some of you may have noticed that The Register has been absent1 > from computer screens the last couple of days. i > A > An "administrative error" from PSI Net Europe , our DNS record--C > keeper, was to blame. On December 24, a PSI Net operative wronglyH? > deleted us from its customer records and detagged our websitec > address with Nominet.   7 (Reached quite easily from the left coast of the US...)    -- d: Dean Woodward   | Portland, OR- worst motorcycling weather0 deanw@rdrop.moc | in the continental US, there. 4                 |  - Someone on rec.moto, circa 1994D ----------------+---------------------------------------------------= '66 Duc 250 - '85 Yam FJ1100 - '00 Kaw KLR650 - '01 Apr Falcoe   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 14:17:08 -0600/. From: Duncan Brown <brown_du@eisner.decus.org>2 Subject: Re: Where oh where has The Register gone?0 Message-ID: <3C2B81C4.C1AEE416@eisner.decus.org>   Dean Woodward wrote: >  > Duncan Brown wrote:c > >z$ > > now.  Anyone know what happened? > D > They do- from http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/31/23511.html : > B > > Some of you may have noticed that The Register has been absent2 > > from computer screens the last couple of days. > >hC > > An "administrative error" from PSI Net Europe , our DNS record-eE > > keeper, was to blame. On December 24, a PSI Net operative wronglylA > > deleted us from its customer records and detagged our websiter > > address with Nominet." > 9 > (Reached quite easily from the left coast of the US...)   A Yes, I can see it now too - that explanation...well, explains it!0   Duncan   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 18:40:30 -0500E- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>p2 Subject: Re: Where oh where has The Register gone?, Message-ID: <3C2BB16D.382F291D@videotron.ca>   From The Register:      DNS 'hack' fells The Rege  By Drew Culleni   Posted: 27/12/2001 at 19:05 GMT  D  Some of you may have noticed that The Register has been absent from+  computer screens the last couple of days. e  G  An "administrative error" from PSI Net Europe , our DNS record-keeper,iE  was to blame. On December 24, a PSI Net operative wrongly deleted useI  from its customer records and detagged our website address with Nominet.     M  If it had been an act of deliberate sabotage, the timing could not have beenoE  better. Although we were aware that there was a problem with the WebtJ  site on Christmas Day, and we knew the cause of the problem on Boxing DayI  early afternoon, we were unable to get PSI Net or Nominet to do anythingaH  about it until 6PM GMT this evening. The Christmas break has taken on aF  new meaning for us. It has also brought home to us how vulnerable webM  sites are, if we - a relatively big name - can be paralysed by the slip of a   bureacrat's pen.   H  We are awaiting a report from PSI Net, which maintained our DNS recordsJ  for more than three years without incident until December 24, to identify  how this mistake occurred.   G  In the meantime we wish to apologise for any inconvenience to readers,('  advertisers and ecommerce partners. 'g   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2001 18:44:17 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)>2 Subject: Re: Where oh where has The Register gone?3 Message-ID: <tmQfQMZmtWWX@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  N In article <3C2B63FD.2FDF3E85@prodigy.net>, cjt <cheljuba@prodigy.net> writes:! > I reached it just a moment ago.o >  > Duncan Brown wrote:s >> mF >> One of my favorite sources for clear-headed analysis of news on theH >> HP-Compaq merger (and each day's new IIS or Outlook security flaw...). >> was The Register, at  www.theregister.co.uk >> oI >> It seems to have vanished from the face of the 'net.  I can't reach itsK >> from any one of several different providers, for the last couple of days-# >> now.  Anyone know what happened?1 >> 0  @ 	Here are details from another of their major outages in August:  7 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/20963.html.   	It is long, but a good read.n   				Rob    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Dec 2001 20:42:37 -08005 From: Hiroyuki_Tanaka4@excite.co.jp (Hiroyuki Tanaka) ! Subject: Re: [Q]LAT QIO interfacea= Message-ID: <68cfa44d.0112272042.532a3c7a@posting.google.com>   G > You can't. TSM and NCP CONNECT use MOP to access the server, not LAT.   	 Thanks.  e  : Where can I find information on the MOP interface for QIO?  > Are they documented any where?  I have looked in the IO guide.   Thanks   Tanaka   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 05:43:47 GMTr- From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>i! Subject: Re: [Q]LAT QIO interface * Message-ID: <3C2C0C11.3040700@qsl.network>   Hiroyuki Tanaka wrote:  G >>You can't. TSM and NCP CONNECT use MOP to access the server, not LAT.b >> >  > Thanks.  t > < > Where can I find information on the MOP interface for QIO?    G I am not sure how useful it is, but the specications for DECNET IV are a
 available at:l  ' ftp://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/DECneti  D I have not looked at them in detail, so I do not know how well they 
 cover MOP.    9 Of course since TSM is available as freeware now from ther@ Digital Networks Product Group's web site, and also available on: the OpenVMS Freeware 5.0 download site, and is scriptable.     You may want to just use that.   -Johnl wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.720 ************************