0 INFO-VAX	Sat, 03 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 68      Contents:4 Re: Capellas agrees conference gave wrong impression Clusters for the Clueless  Re: Dave Cutler  Re: Dave Cutler  Re: defragment products 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 8 Re: Formal Letter to the Newsgroup from Richard Marcello3 Re: From Richard Marcello Vice President of OpenVMS 
 Gzip changes. / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours / Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours  KZMSA Specifications Re: Lisbon Conference  Looking for a 3,5" boot disk Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem , Re: Mozilla 0.7 will not connect to anything7 NT64-on-Alpha: Microsoft Business Partner = Organ Donor  Seeking FTP SERVER sources* Re: Stab From the Past: DN&R Target Awards sysuaf question  the need for speed Re: The price of OpenVMS- Re: Unloading or deleting licenses in a batch ' Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU  Re: VMS image specification? Re: VMS Margin-alized ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? ' Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? 7 Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? I'LL TEST IT!!! 2 [Q] How to Highlight a text in fortran 77 on VMS ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 03 Feb 2001 20:52:26 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>= Subject: Re: Capellas agrees conference gave wrong impression - Message-ID: <87u26chqt1.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:    > Terry C Shannon wrote:J > > with the engineering manager for the Blazer platform (Blazer being the > > 4-way IA64-Inside ProLiant)   + Chunder...  Filthying the name of the 7000!   O > One thing that would make me feel much better about the future of Alpha is if N > Compaq would to put some Alphas inside Proliant boxes and sell them as Linux) > or True64 servers with a Proliant name.   B Given that there are already about 3 systems under that label, theA Unisys, and two Q variants, then just slapping a Proliant sticker , on a DS20E and ES4x would not be a big deal.  ? NO more 'white boxes' remember? That should be good for another  few weeks...  B It will also enable to proclaim that Ps are not 'obsolete' if/when? the whonder-chipster renders the entire worlds CPUs old hat and  only fit for junk. :)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:12:34 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Clusters for the Clueless; Message-ID: <CdVe6.3061$CA1.495417@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   4 "Randy Hawley" <rhawley@iquest.net> wrote in message$ news:3A7B9E7E.ABBBA7F8@iquest.net... > "Gregory J. DiLalo" wrote: > L > > ... We know that OpenVMS AlphaClusters are the best damn thing there is. ...  > J > I agree.  However, as daily demonstrated by the Wintel cartel, technical superiority does not equalK > marketplace superiority or even survival.  I am thoroughly convinced that  Microsoft could perhaps E > sell water to a drowning man (which is a pretty good analogy to the  current market, anyway). >   G Good point. They've successfully managed to foist the foul, squatulent, I unreliable Windoze98 Virus on a slavering public. And they managed to get G some folks to shell out perfectly good money for Windoze98 bugfixes and L patches, er, upgrades. They've also managed to convince some misguided soulsF that Wolfpack = Clusters. As the government schools have dumbed down aK generation of schoolchildren, Microsoft has dumbed down the IT marketplace.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:00:37 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: Dave Cutler, Message-ID: <3A7C1D15.6C83EFAB@infopuls.com>   Terry C Shannon wrote: > + > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Dean Woodward wrote:  > K > > Which is why I keep hoping against hope that Win64 will be supported by K > > Compaq on Alpha, since that's where all the development happens anyway.  > >  > 4 > It may not be supported, but Build 2128 exists ;-}  > *This* sounds really weired. It has been stated that the 64Bit? clean development is done on the Alpha platform, that IA-64 has = miserable design flaws and that Alpha can easily compete with ; current IA-32 systems the only platform left for enterprise ; headed Micro$oft systems. Why doesn't Micro$oft support the ? Alpha processor?? It seems that this would make much more sense ; than Compaq supporting Micro$oft. Instead of reasoning what > Compaq can do to fund Alpha based development Micro$oft should< fund that which is not only much more logical, it will be in< fact much more effective. With development done on the Alpha< platform Micro$oft will gain portability almost for free and? unleashing the originally planed and carried out multi platform 	 approach. > Although one should not stick to some conspiracy theory *this* stinks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:03:48 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>  Subject: Re: Dave Cutler, Message-ID: <3A7C1DD4.B9B87F4F@infopuls.com>   Terry C Shannon wrote: > + > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Dean Woodward wrote:  > K > > Which is why I keep hoping against hope that Win64 will be supported by K > > Compaq on Alpha, since that's where all the development happens anyway.  > >  > 4 > It may not be supported, but Build 2128 exists ;-}  6 Addition to my previous post: it would then not be too9 complicated to have something like aBCS and to be able to ; execute Micro$oft 64Bit binaries on VMS. Sorry that was the ) important thought which links to this NG.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:50:53 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>  Subject: Re: defragment products+ Message-ID: <VA.00000279.0e2fd400@sture.ch>   1 In article <95c9ug$2rk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  wrote:  > From: yyygac2@my-deja.com  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms " > Subject: Re: defragment products% > Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 18:29:50 GMT  > + > In article <3A791A21.43A3BA04@Omond.net>, $ >   Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> wrote: > > Bob Koehler wrote: > > D > > > In article <t7gte191kik00d@news.supernews.com>, "John Vottero" > <John@mvpsi.com> writes: > > > D > > > > Two VMS systems which are not clustered cannot share a disk.E > > > Partly true.  Old MASSBUS disks could be shared between two VMS 	 > systems B > > > prior to clustering.  But sharing was limitted to one system > writeable,7 > > > one system read-only.  Requires VMS 3.0 or later.  > > C > > ??? Not that I recall.  Maybe you're referring to the hack that ? > > System Industries came up with (whose product name has long  > > since escaped me) ?  > > B > Yes it was possible with MASSBUS disks.  Using RM05's (with dualG > porting option) connect Port A to VAXA, Port B to VAXB.  Drives could F > be mounted on both systems simultaneously but one had to insure thatF > the drive was mounted writable by only one system if you cared aboutG > data integrity.  We did this pre VAXcluster (VMS V3.X timeframe).  It H > beat the hell out of DECnet using DMR-11's between the systems on file > transfer speed.  > 4 Yes and I did it on V3.n, Christmas 1983, I believe.  F You needed to mount a shared disk /NOWRITE/NOCACHE on one system, and F /NOCACHE on the other to make sure that a) everything hit the platter > and b) the read-only system didn't assume nothing had changed.  D No networking hardware or DECnet licenses required, and it was fast.  5 The help for SET DEVICE /DUAL_PORT is still there :-)   E We were using the second system to take the compilation load off the  H main development system. I wrote a file based queueing system to handle E the compilation requests to the second machine, retrieve the results  > when done, and tidy up. A fun project, which worked very well.  F This was on a pair of OEM 750s, which purported to have Massbus disks I (they were much faster than any Unibus 750 I came across). I know one of  F them started out life with a Systems Industries controller, but can't 6 remember if those were used in the shared disk config. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:56:13 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>< Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1' Message-ID: <3A7BD5B9.41E3D24B@home.nl>    Things get more funny :   R Follow this link about your card in a 500au, which is of course basically the same machine as the 600au:   2 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/wiz_2844.html  Q I would not be surprised if your card is seen by the 600au, I have noticed before L that there is a lot of conficting documentation about which graphics card is accepted in which system.   O I don't think the 4D20 is a low-end card. The 3D30 maybe, but not the 4D20.  It R has about the same general specs as the ZLx. And it was the best card supported in3 VMS until the new powerstorm 3xx cards came around.    Regards,   Dirk     Christof Brass wrote:    > Dirk Munk wrote: > >  > > Christof Brass wrote:  > >  > > > Dirk Munk wrote: > > > > G > > > > Take care !! You may be looking at the wrong firmware update !!  > > > > - > > > > This is the right page for the 600au:  > > > > O > > > > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/readmes/digitalpw.html  > > > >  > > > > Regards, > > > >  > > > > Dirk > > > ; > > > Thanks! I got more information about the topic since. @ > > > What we need is a *custom* firmware which had been made byF > > > DEC/Compaq to support said card. Is there any chance to get this. > > > custom firmware or can it be done again? > > P > > I have no idea. But it seems that the ZLXp-L1 is a rather old card, and thatI > > it was used in earlier generations Alphastations. The best card for a M > > PWS600au with VMS would be a Powerstorm 4D20. I would think that making a M > > special firmware version and keeping that inline with the normal firmware 7 > > versions is much more expensive than buying a 4D20.  > > G > > Follow this link to find more information about graphics under VMS:  > > 3 > > http://www5.compaq.com/info/SP4508/SP4508PF.PDF  > >  > > Regards, > >  > > Dirk > : > Thanks, I checked. I was told that ZLXp-L1 is a high-endB > graphics card while the 4D20 is a low end. And the customisation: > that was done was only to add the ZLXp-L1 to the list ofA > accepted devices (or removed from the list of not accepted). If ; > this is true I want to know if it difficult to change the @ > firmware that way by downloading it from the web and modifying0 > the file before applying the firmware upgrade.   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Feb 2001 21:05:00 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>A Subject: Re: Formal Letter to the Newsgroup from Richard Marcello - Message-ID: <87pugzj4sj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> writes:   J > Anyone happen to know the OS/390 or OS/400 growth rate? It would make an > interesting comparison.   @ Ah IBM dropped there report a week or so ago. Z was growing, but? not by much, AS/400 just keep going and spreading. 1x% I think. C The unix stuff jumped 34%, and as they said 'and we don't know why'   ' Saw this on the reg. It should be here: 7 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/16171.html 6 but it's gone dogbert, so the above from ratty memory.  . BTW, IBM is top dog in laptops claim Datquest.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:50:54 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>< Subject: Re: From Richard Marcello Vice President of OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <VA.0000027a.0e2fd630@sture.ch>   Z In article <Pine.SGI.4.21.0102021335140.3326-100000@world.std.com>, Terry C Shannon wrote: > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms / > From: Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> > > Subject: Re: From Richard Marcello Vice President of OpenVMS$ > Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 18:44:09 GMT >  >  > . > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Robert Deininger wrote: > i > > In article <9592f6$73q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences <nclews@my-deja.com> wrote:  > >   L > > > I'd always thought it odd that DEC of old ran adverts in DEC ComputingN > > > and D N&R. What is the point of spending money telling me what I already > > > know?  > >  > > Weren't these owned by someone other than DEC?  I assume the ads were a financial prop for magazines that were very beneficial to DEC.  Part subsidy, part advert, but easy to explain to auditors and shareholders. > >  > J > Correct. DEC Pro was owned by Professional Press, then Cardinal BusinessK > Media. Heinz Scheiffer then acquired the rights to publish a European DEC F > Professionnale. Heinz's publication was the last to fold; CPQ had no. > interest in propping it up with advertising. > K > Digital Review was owned by Ziff-Davis. Pat McGovern's IDG responded with K > Digital News. These publications merged and morphed into Cahner's Digital C > News and Review, which subsequently was renamed, and subsequently I > died. DN&R attempted to solicit ads from DEC; DEC was not interested in  > supporting the publication.  > H > Hardcopy (published by George Seldin) went away in the late 1980s. TheL > early 1990s saw the demise of DEC Computing in the UK, DEC User in the UK,$ > and ON$DEC in the Land Down Under. > O I recall coming across a pile of DEC magazines at a customer site in 1997 (this N in the UK). As I leafed through the recent ones they were increasingly full of, empty spaces where adverts should have been.  B > The little-known Computers R Digital (published by the late John$ > Runyon) went away in the mid-80's. > D > I wrote for all of the above publications save one. (A three-monthJ > electronic subscription to SKC to the first person to correctly identifyJ > the publication to which I did not contribute, either under my name or a > pen name.) > = > Two things led to the demise of vendor-specific trade rags. D > Industry-standardization/COTS hardware and software, and DEC/CPQ's? > decision not to financially support independent publications.  >    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 03 Feb 2001 20:30:32 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Gzip changes.- Message-ID: <87y9vohrtj.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   = Just a quick note to let everone know that the changes I have > done to gzip have been posted to vmsnet.sources. The impatient: can get them from there. Note, it is not the lot, just the: stuff that is needed. You will need a gzip 1.2.4 or 1.2.4a kit to get started.    Enjoy    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:21:14 -0700 1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> 8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours3 Message-ID: <3A7B6B1A.202DB658@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>    Terry C Shannon wrote: > - > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Vance Haemmerle wrote:  >  > > Terry C Shannon wrote: > >  > > > P > > > Hence I believe an apparent act of omission has been blown way, way out of > > > proportion.  > > H > >   Sorry Terry, but the lack of its mention in Compaq's annual report6 > > shows it is in fact a concerted effort of silence. > >  > F > Perhaps to some folks this is the case. I prefer not to subscribe toB > conspiracy theories, nor to read too much into acts of omission. > I > What the lack of mention in the annual report shows (IMHO) is an abject J > lack of proactive marketing on the part of the OpenVMS group. Someone inK > OpenVMS marketing (again, IMHO) should be responsible for tracking Compaq F > collateral and ensuring that OpenVMS gets mentioned where mention is > appropriate.  H   I don't consider the annual report a marketing venue to customers, butM rather a company telling its owners (investors) what it does and how it makespJ money.  So why would a company that has any sense hype up its money losingI PC division and not mention part of its money-making enterprise division?e    --B Vance Haemmerle               Internet   vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.USK Tucson, AZ                    Web        http://toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US/~vance/c   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:06:37 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>8 Subject: Re: It's the end for VMS and other Wild Rumours; Message-ID: <18Ve6.3058$CA1.491219@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>a  > "Vance Haemmerle" <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> wrote in message- news:3A7B6B1A.202DB658@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US...  > Terry C Shannon wrote: > >z/ > > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Vance Haemmerle wrote:c > >t > > > Terry C Shannon wrote: > > >t > > > >dK > > > > Hence I believe an apparent act of omission has been blown way, wayf out of > > > > proportion.  > > >tJ > > >   Sorry Terry, but the lack of its mention in Compaq's annual report8 > > > shows it is in fact a concerted effort of silence. > > >? > >-H > > Perhaps to some folks this is the case. I prefer not to subscribe toD > > conspiracy theories, nor to read too much into acts of omission. > >>K > > What the lack of mention in the annual report shows (IMHO) is an abject L > > lack of proactive marketing on the part of the OpenVMS group. Someone inF > > OpenVMS marketing (again, IMHO) should be responsible for tracking CompaqH > > collateral and ensuring that OpenVMS gets mentioned where mention is > > appropriate. > J >   I don't consider the annual report a marketing venue to customers, butI > rather a company telling its owners (investors) what it does and how itn makes L > money.  So why would a company that has any sense hype up its money losingK > PC division and not mention part of its money-making enterprise division?  >i  8 Why not pose this question at www.compaqworkinggroup.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:47:43 -0700l+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <treahy@mmaz.com>l Subject: KZMSA SpecificationsP( Message-ID: <3A7C362F.9A6B0C25@mmaz.com>  : Anyone know of a detailed source for the KZMSA-AA adapter?   Barry.   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO,  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:50:55 +0100-  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Lisbon Conference+ Message-ID: <VA.0000027c.0e2fdae2@sture.ch>r  > In article <fVFxfki7wsBI@eisner.decus.org>, Bob Koehler wrote:. > From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms   > Subject: Re: Lisbon Conference! > Date: 2 Feb 2001 10:23:29 -0500. > f > In article <oBle6.125456$Z2.1596881@nnrp1.uunet.ca>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes: > > J > > The problem is that I still know more about American Presidents than I& > > do about Canadian Prime Ministers. > J > That just about balances our "knowledge" of American actors and products > that aren't.   > C > I drive a Toyota Camry that I know was made in the US and a DodgetC > Caravan that may have been made in Canada.  How many Dodge minvanh2 > drivers in the US think their driving an import? > [ Back in the 1980s many UK companies had a "Buy British" policy for company cars. A salesman T told me he was severely criticised by one of his customers for driving a BMW. Seeing[ an executive car park full of Fords*, he set them the challenge of looking in their engine nJ compartments to see where they were actually made. The answer was Germany!  R On his return a few months later that same car park was full of BMWs and Mercs :-)  U * Yeah, I know Ford is US owned, but they had massive manufacturing plants in the UK.r ___s
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandB   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 12:23:33 +0100o From: Sam <lizard@zap.a2000.nl>w% Subject: Looking for a 3,5" boot disk42 Message-ID: <Duh7Orm7AgkwU0XaNNMP2lMZvA3f@4ax.com>  5 Does anyone have a 3,5" bootdisk for vax OpenVMS 6.2  F I am experimenting with charon-vax and i dont have enough diskspace onE the vax 4000-700A to make a disk image and i am not able to boot fromd the install tape tk50.< Or maybe someone has a copy of the hobbyist OpenVMS cd rom  % any help would be really  appreciatedt     Siem   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:09:56 -0500r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t( Subject: Re: MMS/MMK Ghostscript problem, Message-ID: <3A7BBCC5.FD3EB904@videotron.ca>  + Oopps, sorry for type in message header....e   Here is the messahe again:  tX  now that I have decwindows, I decided to give ghostscript a second attempt at building.  pK  Downloaded the 6.0 sources (Merci Patrick Moreau). Unpacked the stuff, andr>  edited the build_openvms_decc.com to call MMS instead of MMK.  f  Ran it, and got the following:oN  MMS/Log/Macro=("VAXC=0", "DECWINDOWS1_2=1", "A4_PAPER=0")'macro' [.bin]GS.exe3  %MMS-I-DRVOUTFIL, Using output file SYS$OUTPUT:.;. F  %MMS-I-DRVNOFMSSUP, DEC/MMS is installed without support for VAX FMS.4  %MMS-I-DRVSUBCLI, Using DCL for the subprocess CLI.P  %MMS-I-DRVQUALIF, Using non-defaulted qualifiers /Log/Macro=("DECWINDOWS1_2=1",  "A4_PAPER=1").g=  %MMS-I-GWKBEGWLK, Starting the build at target [.BIN]GS.EXE.lC  %MMS-I-GMTIMFND, Time for [.BIN]GS.EXE is 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00. Q  %MMS-F-GWKNOPRN, There are no known sources for the current target [.BIN]GS.EXE.o<  %MMS-I-GWKEXESTS, Status of executed command is %X10EE8064.G  %MMS-F-ABORT, For target MACRO, CLI returned abort status: %X10EE8064.y  a  This is on VAX  VMS 7.2.h  hL  Any hints on what went wrong or where I should look ? I was hoping to build?  this over the weekend (probably will take a fe days to build).R   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:34:03 -0700a1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>r5 Subject: Re: Mozilla 0.7 will not connect to anything 2 Message-ID: <3A7B6E1A.115A3B1@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>   David Mathog wrote:  > G > I just downloaded and installed Mozilla 0.7 from the Compaq web site. E > It starts (a bit slowly) but won't connect to _anything_.  Example:n >   > $ @sys$common:[mozilla]mozilla > Starting mozilla-bin... 0 > Registering plugin 0 for: "*","All types",".*" > in SetSecurityButton< > Error loading URL http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/: 80004005 > M > Is this some sort of UCX emulation incompatibility?  The system it's loaded  > on is: > ] > Process Software MultiNet V4.2 Rev A-X, COMPAQ AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz, OpenVMS AXP V7.2-1l  O   I see a similar thing with Mozilla 0.7, in that with every page it loads getshR errors.  Next to the load progress bar it will say something like "An unkown errorA has occurred (804b0008)".  But then the page does load correctly.c   --B Vance Haemmerle               Internet   vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.USK Tucson, AZ                    Web        http://toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US/~vance/b   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 17:11:26 GMTp4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>@ Subject: NT64-on-Alpha: Microsoft Business Partner = Organ Donor; Message-ID: <2ZWe6.3245$CA1.570466@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   6 "Christof Brass" <brass@infopuls.com> wrote in message& news:3A7C1D15.6C83EFAB@infopuls.com... > Terry C Shannon wrote: > >e- > > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Dean Woodward wrote:y > >eJ > > > Which is why I keep hoping against hope that Win64 will be supported byE > > > Compaq on Alpha, since that's where all the development happenst anyway.  > > >  > >r6 > > It may not be supported, but Build 2128 exists ;-} >t@ > *This* sounds really weired. It has been stated that the 64BitA > clean development is done on the Alpha platform, that IA-64 hase? > miserable design flaws and that Alpha can easily compete withr= > current IA-32 systems the only platform left for enterprisee= > headed Micro$oft systems. Why doesn't Micro$oft support thes > Alpha processor??I  I Easy. Compaq was "asked to contribute" to pay for the port and support byuI its Strategic Partner Micro$oft, even though the Strategic Partner didn'tlH give a tinker's damn whether CPQ ever sold a single Alpha system runningK NT64. Capellas & Co. realized that Microsoft Business Partner = Organ DonorpA and concluded that it wasn't worth spending good money after bad.B  &  All is revealed at the following URL.  ( http://www.acersoft.com/SKD/99/V6N25.htm   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:04:23 -0700& From: "Lee Gillie" <Lee@NOSPAModp.com># Subject: Seeking FTP SERVER sourcesr0 Message-ID: <95h9t1$4gk$1@personal.myavista.com>  D Looking for a freeware, openware, shareware FTP server with sources.= I need basic FTP, and to add extensions via the SITE command. B Have C, C++, Basic, Macro32 (no BLISS).  This is for VAX with UCX.E I've done this before, for NT, writing from scratch, but hoping there C will be an existing VMS project I can use to jumpstart this effort.iD Even to just let me know that you are aware this doesn't exist would help.s  : Thanks in advance for any hints.  Best regard - Lee Gillie --F ______________________________________________________________________F Lee Gillie, CCP                                Remove NOSPAM to E-MailF Online Data Processing, Inc. - 3501 N. Haven -  Spokane, WA 99207-8500   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Feb 2001 21:23:24 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>3 Subject: Re: Stab From the Past: DN&R Target Awardsn- Message-ID: <87d7czj3xv.fsf@prep.synonet.com>.  / Terry C Shannon <shannon@world.std.com> writes:w  ; > On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:s >  > > H > > ... and some of those products received acrylic testimonal awards byH > > nature of how much the producers were willing to pay and to wine and! > > dive the magazine executives.  > >  > H > Ah yes. The infamous Tar-jay Awards. First and only time I ever had toF > wear a monkey suit was at the DN&R Tar-jay Award Dinner at the LoewsL > Anatole Hotel in Dallas back in nineteen eighty-something. Of course, saidF > tuxedo enabled me to impersonate a hotel staffer and smuggle in mass> > quantities of libations without paying the evil Corkage Fee.  C The station wagon rolls forever on! BTW, where is Ralph these days?d   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:12:27 +13006 From: "antony wardle" <antony.wardle@nospam.met.co.nz> Subject: sysuaf question0 Message-ID: <7MXe6.624$sS4.20360@ozemail.com.au>  , anyone got an axp version of the sysuaf exe?  6 I am particularly interested in the bit that transfers  ' the encrypted password to another node.m  ? Don't want to copy the sysuaf file, and I don't want to try anda  / figure out /recreate everyones password either.        cheers   antony   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 12:41:59 -0500n! From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.net>  Subject: the need for speed 8 Message-ID: <hfgo7tc6l95fctkmkqqtg2tneann46h4tb@4ax.com>  8 well thought I'd start here since I love the Alpha CPUs.C if someone needed a very high-speed processor system (multi-cpu form: maximum processing) what would be the best recommendation?E I mean in a compact sized deployment, no larger than say a SUN E3000,0 roughly speaking.   B I'm looking at multi-AMD Athlon as a possibility (1.2 gig each) or= a multi-power-pc or multi-risc, or multi-alpha, or something.h  C Something that could, say for example, take 50 LIVE broadcast video1B feeds of over 30fps EACH and mpeg-4 encode them, encrypt the data,C and deliver it in "real-time" to different destinations. Or is that0 too much to ask?  E something like take cable tv feed, all 50 or so channels, and delivere it out.n   B.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:10:34 +0000d) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com>o! Subject: Re: The price of OpenVMS + Message-ID: <3A7C1F6A.1BF1278@infopuls.com>n   JF Mezei wrote:R > , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > >1I > > Do you have any idea about  the price (value) of the OpenVMS softwareeN > > all all the layred products ...  if Compaq decide to sale this OS to other > > company ???? > N > It would be hard to separate VMS from True64 and Alpha. They share compilersN > and middleware (such as TCPIP stack etc). I do know to what extent VMS couldO > live indendantly. There are still some VMS specific software such as ALL-IN-1 P > (aka: office server) and all the older software products that still need to be  > maintained (but not improved). > I > The best way, in my opinion, would be to spin off a VMS sales/marketinggN > organisation that would act as a glorified reseller. That organisation wouldI > live on licence sales and big commissions and pay Compaq to deliver the M > products/support. That organisation would then have the money to do all the O > marketing it wants, including anti-Unix and anti-MS because that organisationsP > would not  be assosiated to Microsoft. That organisation would also be free toP > position VMS as a scalable system and price it to make it a good platform from! > start-up to very large servers.y > M > Compaq would retain the engineers, would retain tne support contracts (lessEL > the commissions), would retain hardware sales (less commissions) and would2 > then get the profits from that VMS organisation. > P > Considering that the Compaq sales force is doing more harm than good to VMS, IN > would think that a central VMS sales force (perhaps one per continent) wouldO > be more effective than the current setup. They could direct all the inquiriestO > to an 800 number and have experienced VMS folks who have a vested interest in & > making VMS succeed answer the calls. > L > Another interesting potential in the longer term would be to contract withO > others to make VMS-compatible harware that would make VMS more competitive attN > the lower end. Such competition would then force Compaq to also lower prices > for low end Alphas.d   VMSales > Two problems of this scenario: this would not free the VMSales= organisation from pressure by Compaq which still controls the-> VMS development and the supply of *the only* hardware. By that> Compaq could be made to restrict VMSales to not interfere with@ their own business and with associated companies like Micro$oft.> I made a similar proposal in this thread but suggested to also@ separate the Alpha development group from Compaq and at the same= time to incorporate the VMS development team into the new VMSe dedicated company.< Second problem: Compaq retaining the control over whole sale@ prices will be the programmed dead of VMSales because the retail prices depend on them.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 00:51:15 +00000& From: Dave <DRichardson@interbaun.com>6 Subject: Re: Unloading or deleting licenses in a batch- Message-ID: <3A7B5603.788E7EFB@interbaun.com>m   David J. Dachtera wrote: > 3 > "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" wrote:R > >sP > > Is there any way of deleting and/or unloading expired licenses more than oneP > > at a time? On my hobbyist system, I foolishly loaded ALL the layered productO > > licenses. Now they've expired, and my poor VAX emits a symphony of beeps onw > > bootup.f > J > The LMF doc. says that LIC DEL * will effectively delete all LMF license9 > records, and LIC UNL * will unload all loaded licenses.f > B > Note, however, that the default value for /PRODUCER= is DEC; so,B > licenses such as Multinet or others might not be included in the  B License delete * /expire=[old license expiry date here] appears toG delete only those licenses with that expiry date.  I did that to removee* the old licenses from my Hobbyist systems.   Dave Richardson.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 15:58:07 +0100, From: "Gnter Gratzer" <guenter.g@utanet.at>0 Subject: Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU0 Message-ID: <95h6ap$vt4$1@rohrpostix.uta4you.at>   Hi!cD After rebooting our Alpha server we got the following message during startup:  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-FEB-2001 14:27:07.32  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on DPMS01G Event: Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU from: Node LOCAL:.DPMS01  CSMA-CD Station CSMACD-0,t-         at: 2001-02-03-14:27:07.322+01:00Iinf 8         Data Link Header='AA0004000284AA0004003C840800'H7         eventUid   A1359B79-F9E0-11D4-A64C-44504D53303137         entityUid  D185CB35-F9DB-11D4-8115-AA0004000284e7         streamUid  D47D2478-F9DB-11D4-8160-AA0004000284u  J The message was comming continously. Can anybody explain me the meaning of
 this message?t  G The server was hanging during startup. I don't know exactly where but IAK think it was after starting the network and starting the Queues. The servermL is running with another alpha server in a cluster with a common system disk.- The second server was runnning during reboot.eH We could only solve this problem with shuting down the second server andK reboot the server with the pending startup. After the second reboot all was 	 ok again.oJ There was just a strange thing with the batch queues on the second server.K After reboot the daily backup job was in state executing with a submit timet? 14.01.2001! At this day we had the same problem after a reboot.n. Is there a known problem in the queue manager?   We are running VMS V7.2-1.   Thanks   Gnter   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:47:52 +0100 2 From: Andreas Stiller <Andreas.Stiller@netsurf.de>% Subject: Re: VMS image specification?h* Message-ID: <3A7BB7A8.4918EE88@netsurf.de>   Hi,o  C one of the rumored tools to learn about image structure is CALLMON,aH available in the freeware CD. It enables you to plug in any callback youF desire into a shareable image. In order to do this, the program has toH know everything about image format, DST format and even disassembles the= code ! This is great stuff and written by Compaq engineer butg unsupported.   Andreas-   Hoff Hoffman schrieb:  > m > In article <jioe6.93841$lV5.1979276@news2.giganews.com>, Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org> writes:sM > :...EXE format specification like ICB (Image Control Block), IHD, etc.??...e > F >   You'll need to look at the macro definition libraries and/or BlissI >   definition files, and at the source listings.  A general introduction D >   to the image header format is included in the Internals and DataH >   Structures Manual.  AFAIK, there is no detailed documentation of the, >   image headers in the OpenVMS manual set. > G >   In addition to being undocumented, the image headers are a dark and + >   twisty and sometimes very ugly place...  > F >   There are also a few tools around that rummage through the headersF >   (freeware, ANALYZE/IMAGE, and otherwise), but the best and central1 >   resource will be the OpenVMS source listings.l > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 11:50:54 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: VMS Margin-alized+ Message-ID: <VA.0000027b.0e2fd8bb@sture.ch>.  C In article <873ddxusyv.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi wrote:p > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms   > Subject: Re: VMS Margin-alized. > From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>" > Date: 02 Feb 2001 21:15:04 +0800 > - > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:u >  > > About Proliants ...  > > ; > > The Data Center I am working for has about 30 proliantss5 > >  (6000,8500, ML370) and only two Alphaserver 4100e > > (which I manage).....e > > 3 > > Theres only one professional to manage the OVMSs! > > and 8 to manage the NTs .....w > > 3 > > Ok, ok ! There are about 2000 users in the OVMS  > > and 7.000 on NT domain !!! > >  > > 0 > > Oh, I forgot the IBM SP (one guy to manage),1 > > and three SGI Origin (one guy to manage).....j0 > > But I am not sure abou the number of users ! > > = > > The great problem of OVMS nowadays is: it cuts jobs ! :-)i3 > > And dont generate demand of services: the focusr3 > > nowadays of Compaq/EDS and HP for example ! ! !0 > < > In Faact Fabio, I think you have pointed to a real problem> > with VMS. It 'just works', never ( well, near never ) breaks; > and nothing ever gets it mentioned. Bet if you went a few 9 > steps up the MAnagment life-forms, the senario would be ; > "What's VMS? Why are we using it?" You can fill in the M$o
 > equivalent.: >   B Yep, the empire builders who associate their importance within an G organization by the number of staff they control do make for a problem h here.:  < > But, how do you make positive noises that won't bite back? > Kerry, any ideas on this?. >p   ___l
 Paul Sture Switzerlandr   ------------------------------    Date: 03 Feb 2001 21:09:17 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?- Message-ID: <87lmrnj4le.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   < "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> writes:  M > I have been trying to follow this thread, since it is great interest to me.- > Please excuse as I jump in...b > H > If an Operations or electrician guy drops power to your HGS80 and diskJ > arrays and you have cache batteries, are you not ok as long as the cacheN > batteries have power?  Which is quite a few hours (over 20 hours as I recallN > from my site's requirement of having the systems down for over 24 hours), to > keep the cache intact.  E So, how much are those cute lil suckers worth now. You will take REALt good care of them I hope.b  8 The cache stuff ought to be called out in 24pt red type!   -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:53:03 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?( Message-ID: <3A7C1BB2.8000203@wi.rr.com>   Rob:   What about using...i   SET unit PREFER=OTHERs SET unit PREFER=THIS  G ...after you dismount the drive?  If the drive was online to THIS, and i
 you set it to.K prefer the OTHER controller, wouldn't the cache on THIS have to be flushed? % Then bring the drive back to THIS....a   How about this solution?  
 -Scott :^)     Rob Young wrote:  3 >> Question, since I have never set eyes on an HSG;  >> cB >> Can you force it to flush from its CLI? Set the timeout to 0 or >> some small number?  >> e > 6 > 	Yes... set unit norun.  Sounds kludgey, doesn't it? >  > 			Rob   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 14:57:33 GMTn$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?( Message-ID: <3A7C1CC0.8040302@wi.rr.com>   Paul Repacholi wrote:u  & > Think it may be Glen. Consider this. > H > You tell ops there is a down time for work on the HSGs. They dutifullyH > shut down the apps, dismount the shadow set. The write timer is 65000, > ie about 20 hours. > J > Failed circus walks in, is told its shut down and whacks the breakers... > Good bye caches. > F The caches are protected by batteries.  How long were you thinking of  having the HSG80s cutf off from main power?  I Also, did you do a SHUT OTHER and SHUT THIS before you let Field Service   start on your HSG80s?eH Did your Field Engineer execute those commands before he/she started on  the HSG80s?  If you don't I properly follow the operation procedures for the HSx controllers, expect e to lose some data.   -scott   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:07:14 GMTl$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>0 Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount?( Message-ID: <3A7C1F06.8000608@wi.rr.com>    LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com wrote:  D > On 2 Feb 2001 11:13:02 -0500, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) > wrote: > < >> Hate when this happens... but yes... the writes are still: >> in the cache so when you remount it you are okay.  The 6 >> only wrinkle in this whole thing then , what if you? >> aren't running mirrored-cache (many of us don't as shadowsett. >> members are split across controller pairs)  >  > 3 > I thought running mirrored cache was an absolute i' > requirement for the HSG...  It's not?b > D Nope.  It's not *required* for the operation of the HSGs.  But it's  required ifh you want to stay employed.   -s ;^)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 15:00:26 GMT.$ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>@ Subject: Re: Writes flushed to Disk on Dismount? I'LL TEST IT!!!( Message-ID: <3A7C1D6E.7040801@wi.rr.com>   Rob:  G I have a spare Alphaserver 4100 and a spare ESA12000.  If you can tell  
 me exactly= what you want tested, I'll try it and see if I lose any data.n   Email me directly.  
 -Scott :^)   Rob Young wrote:   >> Rob >>  E >> do you have a test system you can make and break at will? If i wasuS >> playing with this sort of kit I'd sure need that. Then you can prove to yourselfc) >> whether or not it is an issue for you.  >> _ >  > 	Not yet ;-) >  > 			Rob >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 16:55:53 GMT , From: "TheBigfoot" <thebigfoot@softhome.net>; Subject: [Q] How to Highlight a text in fortran 77 on VMS ?-5 Message-ID: <tKWe6.3026$Aq4.5994543@nnrp5.proxad.net>4  L Everything is in the text, so I wonder how to highlight a text in fortran 77J ... Someone gave me recently a way to insert a text anywhere on the screenJ thanks to LIB$SET_CURSOR(x,y) and I'd like to use a similar command ... atF school I couldn't find the RTL LIB$CURSOR so of course the routine I'm looking for was missing too.L I'm not really good at manipulating escape codes so if someone could give me$ an example I would be very thankful.       Thanks already, Julien   --                             _\\|//_                           ( . . )& -----------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo----  $ TheBifgoot <thebigfoot@softhome.net> http://www.thebigfoot.fr.ste   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.068 ************************