0 INFO-VAX	Sun, 04 Feb 2001	Volume 2001 : Issue 70      Contents: Re: Clusters for the Clueless 3 Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1 P Re: Is there a way to execute a remote Alpha OpenVMS CUI application ona local D
 Re: Licensing ) Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?  Re: Source listings contents Re: sysuaf question F Re: TCPIP 5.0A FTP Server Rejecting Connections - was RE: Where to get- Re: Unloading or deleting licenses in a batch + Re: Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU + Re: Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU + Re: VxWorks, AlphaVME (Was Re: Dave Cutler)   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 10:02:20 +0100  From: mcleanj@pop.dplanet.ch& Subject: Re: Clusters for the Clueless. Message-ID: <3A7D1A9C.1D8FF88D@pop.dplanet.ch>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > 6 > "Randy Hawley" <rhawley@iquest.net> wrote in message& > news:3A7B9E7E.ABBBA7F8@iquest.net... > > "Gregory J. DiLalo" wrote: > > N > > > ... We know that OpenVMS AlphaClusters are the best damn thing there is. > ...  > > L > > I agree.  However, as daily demonstrated by the Wintel cartel, technical > superiority does not equalM > > marketplace superiority or even survival.  I am thoroughly convinced that  > Microsoft could perhaps G > > sell water to a drowning man (which is a pretty good analogy to the  > current market, anyway). > >  > I > Good point. They've successfully managed to foist the foul, squatulent, K > unreliable Windoze98 Virus on a slavering public. And they managed to get I > some folks to shell out perfectly good money for Windoze98 bugfixes and N > patches, er, upgrades. They've also managed to convince some misguided soulsH > that Wolfpack = Clusters. As the government schools have dumbed down aM > generation of schoolchildren, Microsoft has dumbed down the IT marketplace.   H Interesting that Ms claim (against the DoJ) the embedding of an internetE browser has been of benefit to consumers because I can't think of any D other company who has done so much to LOWER consumer expectations of what an IT system should do.  H In anticipation of some comments about MS having little control over howH people use their OSes I can only say that they shoul dhave designed them properly in the first place.     John McLean    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:40:22 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> < Subject: Re: Firmware upgrade for PWS 600au to use a ZLXp-L1, Message-ID: <3A7D77E6.B1D6B32F@infopuls.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:  > X > In article <3A7B30D2.A477ADA@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> wrote: > < > > Thanks, I checked. I was told that ZLXp-L1 is a high-endD > > graphics card while the 4D20 is a low end. And the customisation< > > that was done was only to add the ZLXp-L1 to the list ofC > > accepted devices (or removed from the list of not accepted). If = > > this is true I want to know if it difficult to change the B > > firmware that way by downloading it from the web and modifying2 > > the file before applying the firmware upgrade. > j > I think the ZLXp-yy were pretty high end for their day, but they haven't been current for several years. >  > Question:  will this card work with Open3D, Decwindows, and VMS, if you don't try to use it as the console?  Perhaps you can use the alternate console, get VMS going, and then everything will work.  If the console doesn't like your graphics card, you might have to manually configure the driver with SYSMAN.  But it might work.  If the driver was written properly, there's a good chance that it asks the system about variable things like PCI address layouts, and will work properly once it recognizes the card. >  > If you decide to try this sort of thing, don't give up until you've tried all the PCI slots.  Sometimes PCI-PCI bridges require some extra work in the driver, so every one of those you cross could perhaps lower your odds.  > 0> Basically, I'm suggesting you pretend the ZLXp-L1 card is completely unknown to VMS.  There's a mechanism for VMS to support 3rd-party drivers and devices.  Use that mechanism with the DEC-supplied driver that supports the card on other machines.  It might be worth spending an afternoon to try it out. > Z > Which alpha systems support this card in VMS?  How similar are they PCI-wise to the PWS? > I> The console lives in firmware, and it has to understand the console device.  I can understand firmware not being able to cope with a device that's not _explicitly_ programmed for that machine.  But I would half-hope that the higher layers of the OS could take this in stride.  The card is supported in some machines, after all.  > > Modifying firmware sounds absolutely awful.  There were noises early on about 3rd-party firmware and PALcode, but I don't know that it ever caught on.  If the requirements are documented, I don't know where.  And even if you know just how to do it, you'll have to start from scratch or convince the Q to allow you access to their firmware source code.  Unless you are clairvoiant enough to figure out which bits to tweek, and you just edit the firmware image in hex. >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com   > Thanks a lot!! I started this morning writing a message to you> directly because I knew from my searches in Deja and following> the threads in cov that you are *the* expert (with an appology; at the beginning for bothering you by direct mail) but then = decided to do further investigation and abandoned writing the 9 email later after finding out that I might be able to use ; several of the current graphics cards within my DS20E. Some > months ago a compaq sales person told me that within the Alpha> servers there is only one graphics card supported. So I looked> around to buy a front-end box to equip with 2 or 3 heads. From= the latest specs I found at the Compaq web site it seems that = the DS20E supports up to four heads with VMS which is awfully > great. The remaining question is: are these new graphics cards? SN-PBXGD-AD (102454-B21) P300 and SN-PBXGD-AE (102455-B21) P350 @ of good quality in comparison to the ZLXp-L1? I want to have big@ colour palettes to avoid having to start several apps with their; private colour palettes which changes the colour of all the  other windows.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:17:26 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> Y Subject: Re: Is there a way to execute a remote Alpha OpenVMS CUI application ona local D , Message-ID: <3A7D7286.5D882D0A@infopuls.com>   Norman Woo wrote:  > 1 > On Fri, 02 Feb 2001 13:31:29 +0000, Nigel Arnot & > <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk> wrote: > 
 > Hi folks > D > Sorry, in my original post, I was referring to GUI where II shouldE > have meant "CUI" the ole Character-based User Interface (or is that  > "Cheap User Interface"?) > E > Basically we have users coming in from PCs (via Telnet sessions) or H > dumb ole VT220 terminals accessing the main application running on theG > DEC 4700 machines (app was built back in the 80's).  From within that E > main application, we would need to somehow remote login (rlogin? or B > telnet?) into the Compaq Alpha server and lauching another "CUI"A > application.   This would be displayed on the user's PCs telnet $ > session or on the VT220 terminals. >  > Hope this is clearer.  >  > Thanks  : I'm positive. Basically there is no big difference between? calling a local or a remote TUI app. The difference is only the  login step.   9 1.I'm not familiar with the menu system mentioned in your ? previous post but I assume this offers the possibility to run a = DCL script which can be tied to the menu item the user has to  choose.   ? 2.Within this DCL script you can do the login automatically and ? startup the other TUI app on the DS20E. To achieve that you may < have some choices. You can at least code the response to the? username/password challange into the DCL script (I've done this > already - use SET HOST and DECK and EOD). Or you might be able= to use ALF (automatic login facility but I'm not sure if this ? only works for real terminals starting the first session; if it @ works your script wont get any challange rather login silently).  9 3.The account(s) on the DS20E should be prepared that the : application is started up automatically and the session is, closed (logout) when the user quits the app.  ? 4.After the DS20E session finishes you are back to the previous = session. If you have to initiate this process from within the @ app you may look for using something related to SPAWN within the> documentation of the app (assumed you are not entitled or able to change it).  9 In any case there will always only one app visible on the @ screen. You wont get the possibility to switch between these two apps.    ------------------------------  " Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 07:31:26 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: Licensing& Message-ID: <G8828E.yE@spcuna.spc.edu>  + Wayne Holland <wholland@tscnet.com> writes: G > If I get a used VAX with its O/S intact, and I eventually fire it up, C > and find that the license has expired,  what do I do?? (hobbyist)   L   At least in the US, if it had a valid license, it should not have expired. The only ones that expire are:  
   1) Hobbyist    2) Educational (CSLG)    3) Temporary PAKs (TSP's)   M   Otherwise, it should be a permanent license and you can transfer it for the M current transfer fee ($300, last I looked) provided you have all the documen- N tation they want (like the original paper licenses or invoice). Note that onlyK the OS and System Integrated Product (DECnet, VAXcluster, Volume Shadowing, J and RMS Journaling, if I recall correctly) can be transfered - the variousI layered products cannot, unless the transfer is within the same corporate  entity.   I   In any event, you can get a hobbyist license (which needs to be renewed < annually) regardless of what prior licenses were on the box.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 17:17:05 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>2 Subject: Plenum vs. non-plenum in the data center?( Message-ID: <3A7D8ECD.9030907@wi.rr.com>  6 Here's a question for all you hose draggers out there:  G I just started at a new shop last week (yes, it's a VMS shop with lots   of StorageToys).  I was in? the computer room talking with the head network guy about some   electrical work he has planned. E I noticed that the power cables for equipment like the ESA12000s and   SW800s sat on top I of the floor tiles (raised floor) and that the power cables plugged into   outlets which were mounted *in* the floor tiles.   G I thought this was very odd since it would be very easy for someone to   trip over the power cablesD and it also looks very ugly.  At previous shops, I've run the power  cables from large systems downI through a cut in the floor tile and plugged into an electrical box under  4 the raised floor that had the proper outlet.  All ofD the power cables and the outlets were safely hidden under the floor.  G I asked the network guy why the power cables weren't under the floor.    He said that the electrical G inspector (or fire inspector) from the city would not allow non-plenum   cables under the floor in D the data center.  Since the ESA12000s didn't come with plenum power  cables, the cables must  sit on top of the floor tiles.   This is really odd.   E If the data center is its own sealed environment (with regard to air   circulation), why should it G matter if we put non-plenum cables under the floor.  The worst case is   that the cables would I generate tons of toxic smoke which would fill the data center.  The fire   suppression system wouldB be activated any way so it's going to be tough breathing in there  regardless.    Can anyone shed light on this?   Thanks,   
 -Scott :^)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:28:21 +0000 ) From: Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> % Subject: Re: Source listings contents , Message-ID: <3A7D7515.F331EA55@infopuls.com>   Wayne Sewell wrote:  > i > In article <jazs4jZs$EpU@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes: \ > > In article <3A735C46.BB21A735@infopuls.com>, Christof Brass <brass@infopuls.com> writes: > >  > > = > >> From the FAQ VMS7: "OpenVMS VAX and OpenVMS Alpha source % > >> listings CD-ROM sets include the A > >> source listings of most of OpenVMS, ...". I also read in cov & > >> that these sets are not complete. > >>; > >> *Why?* Is anybody out there who possesses the sources?  > > E > > They exclude material covering pending patents, material covering . > > unannounced features and the LMF listings. > D > Ah, yes.  LMF, the license *management* tool that is not a license > *enforcement* tool.  >  > --Q > =============================================================================== O > Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738  wayne@tachysoft.xxx : > http://www.tachysoft.xxx/www/tachyon.html and wayne.htmlM > change .xxx to .com in addresses above, assuming you are not a spambot  :-) Q > =============================================================================== D > Cute Girl, to Curly: "Oh, what a beautiful head of bone you have!"  : Thanks. Does anybode know the price or where it is listed?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:48:40 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi> Subject: Re: sysuaf question( Message-ID: <3A7D5CBD.3E729AE0@decus.fi>  : You could always extract the relevant records using simple
 DCL, like:  0 	$ if f$trnlnm("SYSUAF",,,"LNM$SYSTEM").eqs."" -3           then define sysuaf sys$system:sysuaf.dat  ' 	$ open/read/write/share=write s sysuaf   	$ read/key="USERNAME " s usrrec
 	$ close s 	$ open/write tmp usr.txt  	$ write/symbol tmp line 	$ close tmp  8 Now move usr.txt to the other system and insert the user record like  0 	$ if f$trnlnm("SYSUAF",,,"LNM$SYSTEM").eqs."" -3           then define sysuaf sys$system:sysuaf.dat  ' 	$ open/read/write/share=write s sysuaf  	$ open/read tmp usr.txt 	$ read tmp line 	$ close tmp 	$ write/symbol s line
 	$ close s  < Or make a copy of the SYSUAF, remove non-needed records from
 that copy,6 then move the cleaned copy to the other system and use
 CONVERT/MERGE 4 to merge contents to the systems current SysUAF.dat.   _veli  antony wardle wrote: > . > anyone got an axp version of the sysuaf exe? > 8 > I am particularly interested in the bit that transfers > ) > the encrypted password to another node.  > A > Don't want to copy the sysuaf file, and I don't want to try and  > 1 > figure out /recreate everyones password either.  >  > cheers >  > antony   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 12:08:45 -05002 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@ossc.DELETE.net>O Subject: Re: TCPIP 5.0A FTP Server Rejecting Connections - was RE: Where to get + Message-ID: <3a7d8ce4$1@newsfeed.vitts.com>   K A connection rejected message is delivered by the protocol when there is no L listener -or- you exceed the connection backlog (which is unlikely).  If youL do a TCPIP SHOW DEVICE, can you see the FTP listener out there?  (The remote address will be 0.0.0.0).    -John   - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message / news:1010203171818.3117F-100000@Ives.egh.com... , > On Thu, 1 Feb 2001, Gloria Griffith wrote: > J > > Ok, I have tried all of your great suggestions and I am not making any	 progress.  > [...]  > 5 > > I have checked the protection on the login files.  > > ! > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]  > > $ > > SYLOGIN.COM;6 (RWED,RWED,RE,RWE) > >  > G > World WRITE access to sylogin.com???  This sounds real bad to me, but E > probably isn't the cause of your problem (unless someone inserted a  > "$logout" in it.)  > E > What does SYLOGIN.COM do?  If it does anything that won't work from C > a network process, such as $ SET TERMINAL commands, it will break C > FTP.  You need to dispatch on F$MODE and only execute interactive D > commands for interactive processes, etc.  See SYLOGIN.TEMPLATE for > instructions and examples. >2! > > Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]n > >:# > > LOGIN.COM;12 (RWED,RWED,RE,RWE)  >mC > Irrelevent, unless you are FTP'ing to the SYSTEM account.  If so,x > the same provisos apply. >IL > > The FTP server looks like it ought  to be working but something is wrong	 because I J > > have tried to FTP to this machine many times and there are not any new	 log filesnJ > > being generated.  The log file I sent you earlier was from Jan 19 when thingsK > > stopped working (of course I do not know what happened that day....thist
 machine isF > > used for production and the apps people are always doing something without telling-$ > > me) and there are no more since. >0I > No new log files?  What is the version number of the top-most log file?tL > ;32767?  If so, you need to delete them all or rename them down in versionG > numbers (i.e. to keep 20 versions, rename ;32748 to ;1, ;32749 to ;2,mG > etc. through ;32767 to ;20.)  The easiest way to do this is to renamer$ > them all twice, using a wild card: >S* > $ RENAME TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.LOG;* TEMP.LOG* > $ RENAME TEMP.LOG;* TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.LOG >aC > (Doing a wild-card rename like this inverts the order of the filenG > versions, so doing it twice restores the original order, but gets thecK > version numbers to range from 1 to NN instead of from 32767-NN to 32767.)( >c > >aI > > This has got to be something that I am just not seeing. Thank you forp
 your help, ifuC > > you want to throw any more advice my way, I will appreciate it!o > >V > > Gloria Griffithu >c > Hope this helps. >e > --
 > John Santosh > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 12:26:02 +0100s  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>6 Subject: Re: Unloading or deleting licenses in a batch+ Message-ID: <VA.00000281.13765dbb@sture.ch>h  K In article <3A7B7B1D.95496C86@capu.net>, Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to  
 reply) wrote: H > From: "Stephen Eickhoff (remove the - to reply)" <s-eickhoff@capu.net> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 4 > Subject: Unloading or deleting licenses in a batch' > Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 22:29:33 -0500  > N > Is there any way of deleting and/or unloading expired licenses more than oneN > at a time? On my hobbyist system, I foolishly loaded ALL the layered productM > licenses. Now they've expired, and my poor VAX emits a symphony of beeps on0	 > bootup.h >tM Another suggestion, provided that you have ONLY expired Hobbyist licenses in u; the License Database - i.e. none that you wish to preserve.    See HELP LICENSE CREATE.  M Note that if you have the License Database in SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE], make sure mM that you create it there instead of in SYS$SPECIFIC. Alternatively rename it   there after creating it. ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandi   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 13:56:46 +0100" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>4 Subject: Re: Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU( Message-ID: <95jja1$9q3$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  F Cannot fault your explanation, other than that the other node is 3C84.? That would indicate DECnet address 33.60 (and might confuse thep original poster...)e  
 Hans Vlems  % Jay Olson heeft geschreven in berichte( <3A7CADE5.6050005@triton.com.no.spam>... >Gnter Gratzer wrote: >o >> Hi!G >> After rebooting our Alpha server we got the following message duringa >> startup:o >>; >> %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-FEB-2001 14:27:07.32  %%%%%%%%%%% % >> Message from user SYSTEM on DPMS01gJ >> Event: Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU from: Node LOCAL:.DPMS01 >> CSMA-CD Station CSMACD-0,0 >>         at: 2001-02-03-14:27:07.322+01:00Iinf; >>         Data Link Header='AA0004000284AA0004003C840800'Hk: >>         eventUid   A1359B79-F9E0-11D4-A64C-44504D533031: >>         entityUid  D185CB35-F9DB-11D4-8115-AA0004000284: >>         streamUid  D47D2478-F9DB-11D4-8160-AA0004000284 >>J >> The message was comming continously. Can anybody explain me the meaning of >> this message? >> >m4 >This message means that the system with MAC address5 >AA-00-04-02-84 (i.e. DECnet address 33.2) was tryingt8 >to send ethernet packets to the system with MAC address9 >AA-00-04-03-84 (i.e. DECnet address 33.3) using etherneti8 >protocol 0800 (which is TCP, I believe), and that there: >was no process which was set up to receive these packets.= >Simply put, one node was trying to initiate a TCP connection + >and your TCP/IP stack was not yet running.s > ) > - Jay Olson (jjo "at" triton "dot" com)g > Triton Software Group LLCh >s   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:48:39 GMTt8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>4 Subject: Re: Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU( Message-ID: <3A7D59A7.BE755BA5@decus.fi>  9 You have the data link header portion of packet. I would d7 assume that this is Ethernet V2.0 type packet and hencee; we have DESTINATION ADDRESS = AA0004000284, SOURCE ADDRESS=f6 AA0004003C84 and protocol type = 0800. 0800 happens to: be TCPIP. And final conclusion would be that basically the; system tells you it has received TCPIP packet but the TCPIPo6 protocol is not yet started on the system. To be quite6 expected since TCPIP can be started after DECnet/Plus.   _velin   "Gnter Gratzer" wrote:s >  > Hi! F > After rebooting our Alpha server we got the following message during
 > startup: > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   3-FEB-2001 14:27:07.32  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on DPMS01I > Event: Unrecognized Individual Destination PDU from: Node LOCAL:.DPMS01n > CSMA-CD Station CSMACD-0,i/ >         at: 2001-02-03-14:27:07.322+01:00Iinf : >         Data Link Header='AA0004000284AA0004003C840800'H9 >         eventUid   A1359B79-F9E0-11D4-A64C-44504D533031n9 >         entityUid  D185CB35-F9DB-11D4-8115-AA0004000284e9 >         streamUid  D47D2478-F9DB-11D4-8160-AA0004000284  > L > The message was comming continously. Can anybody explain me the meaning of > this message?r > I > The server was hanging during startup. I don't know exactly where but IsM > think it was after starting the network and starting the Queues. The server1N > is running with another alpha server in a cluster with a common system disk./ > The second server was runnning during reboot.rJ > We could only solve this problem with shuting down the second server andM > reboot the server with the pending startup. After the second reboot all was1 > ok again.0L > There was just a strange thing with the batch queues on the second server.M > After reboot the daily backup job was in state executing with a submit time7A > 14.01.2001! At this day we had the same problem after a reboot.F0 > Is there a known problem in the queue manager? >  > We are running VMS V7.2-1. >  > Thanks >  > Gnter   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Feb 2001 07:56:01 GMTt- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)o4 Subject: Re: VxWorks, AlphaVME (Was Re: Dave Cutler)5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-JdFvMJT0kTDU@localhost>)  D On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 12:12:10, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  wrote:  
 <Big Snip> .. > = > Pulling VME will piss off at least two customers I know of.i > And they are mainly DU.m > @ > Second, this leaves the Q empty handed in the RT/embeded area.D > Time for ELN64 perhaps, or stick it on the FreeWare CD, source and > all.  C Well, that would certainly rule out a Kav30/40 to AlphaVME upgrade i9 route for us. Just as well we have a good number of IRTV r KAV-40/AMX-400's...e  F Maybe ELN64/AlphaELN could make comeback? I did hear tales that it hadA got quite far. If I had to move my test system Server off DECpaq  F (ELN/AMX), then there would be one more reason to be looking at other B platforms for the Client (VMS). Not something I would necessarily  welcome.  . Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2001.070 ************************